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In Reply to: [6]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on November 21, 1997 at
23:59:54:
Then they should just run the two additional C's to Wash.Hts. and lay
them up at 207th after the AM. They do things like this elsewhere
(like the 5's to New lots). Speaking of that part of the system, if
they used that line of reasoning, they would have opted for the
cheaper version 1 of the Nostrand Junction improvements, which would
send all Lexington trains to Utica&New Lots, and all 7th Av. trains to
Flatbush. Fortunately, that idea was eliminated a long time ago.
Eric
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SUBJECT>Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
DATE>Nov 30 10:48:11 1997
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
posted by Andrew Huie on November 21, 1997 at 23:15:41:
Actually, this stretch of the passageway is unneeded, because it
follows the L line from 7th Av. to 8th Av.
What i wish they would open back up is the passageway between Penn
Sta. and the Path 33 St. terminal. I heard alot about crime in that
tunnel, but that could be solved. The tunnel between 7th and 8th on
41st St doesnt seem to have any problems, and neither does the one on
14th from 6th to 7th. Perhaps if they dropped the 33rd St passage down
a level, so it would be within the subway fare-controlled area, and
have it patrolled, that would keep criminals and homeless out. (The
way it was, the two ends of the passage, (both now sealed) were
outside the system, and unprotected.)
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SUBJECT>Re: McDonald Ave. ("F"Line) El Structure
DATE>Nov 30 10:48:14 1997
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In Reply to: [6]McDonald Ave. ("F"Line) El Structure posted by Timothy
on November 20, 1997 at 20:33:03:
Maybe it has something to do with that area being the end of the line
before Stillwell terminal was finished. If I am correct, I think that
el' cars or streetcars also descended to the street at that time.
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SUBJECT>Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units (Philly RTSes)
DATE>Nov 30 10:48:16 1997
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units (Philly
RTSes) posted by Michael S. Buglak on November 21, 1997 at 08:30:52:
What I wonder, is that since CTA opted for back window in the RTS's
instead of an AC, why weren't those slope-backed? That design was so
cool when it first came out.
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SUBJECT>Re: Unanswered Messages
DATE>Nov 30 10:48:18 1997
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In Reply to: [7]Unanswered Messages posted by Timothy on November 22,
1997 at 12:44:36:
I doubt you're boring anyone, or anyone is ignoring your posts. I
personally think that not responding to a post on a subject one knows
little or nothing about is better than to contribute to a series of
replies saying something to the effect of "Ummm...what?". If someone
on the board has the ability to informatively respond to a post, they
most likely will.
SubTalk frequently becomes a very large page that does not download
quickly. If you post a followup near the bottom of the board, some
visitors may stop their browsers before your header can be displayed.
Also, no one can read the board 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Like
everything else in life, sometimes you have to wait.
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SUBJECT>Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
posted by Andrew Huie on November 21, 1997 at 23:15:41:
The passage way is closed to the public, but the TA has some rooms
that they use. I think turnstile repair has a room or two and third
rail has a quarters in that passage way. A few years ago the homeless
had started to sleep and make a mess of the tunnel so they closed it
off. I think it still is connected on both ends and not sealed off.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Unanswered Messages posted by ~airplane on
November 22, 1997 at 13:39:22:
I'll second that explaination. I sometimes notice ananswered
questions, and in an effort to be helpful I stretch my ancient
knowledge and say something that is more wrong than right. That
doesn't help anyone, except on the rare occasion that my blunder draws
out a correction that answers the original question.
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SUBJECT>Re: Most extensive subway?
DATE>Nov 30 10:48:25 1997
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In Reply to: [6]Most extensive subway? posted by Albert on November
21, 1997 at 02:28:36:
I believe if you specify the measured characteristic as being
Track-miles, NY is the winner because of its heavy preponderance of
3&4 track express service.
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SUBJECT>Emergency Braking Question 2
DATE>Nov 30 10:48:27 1997
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This past Friday morning while going to work, I was in the last car on
a Queens bound J train. While on the train, I was catching a view of
outside from the window of the rear end sliding door. I then noticed a
train approaching on the same track as the one I was on. The other
train I came to find out was not in service and was pretty close in
distance to the train that I was on. After seeing the train just only
a couple of hundreds of yards away several times, I was watching the
"trip arms" from each signal that we passed. I noticed that on only a
few of the signals the train passed, the yellow colored trip arm
located on the left side adjacent to the left rail raised up. Most of
the signals only flashed red but their trip arms did not rise. I would
like to know if this is normal operation of the braking system or not.
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SUBJECT>Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units posted by
Hank Eisenstein on November 20, 1997 at 20:33:34:
The first RTS buses had the condensor in front of the radiator and the
AC did not work well and the bus overheated. They were moved to the
rear later and most of the origioanls were retrofited to the rear
location. The first RTS's had a sloped back instead of square like the
NYC buses.
The blitz rehabs did remove the AC when I saw them the condesonr
compartment was empty and Ad signs were in place of the air intake.
They had the evaporators under the floor. I think later they put roof
top units on them because of complaints. I remember seeing full RTS's
and two empty rehabs go by in manhattan in the 80's
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In Reply to: [7]Emergency Braking Question 2 posted by GarfieldA on
November 22, 1997 at 16:02:46:
What you saw was a prime example of the block system in operation. As
a train proceeds thru the block the signal it just passes goes red and
the arm stays down. This is to allow the whole train to pass without
activating any trips. The Signal immediatly behind the first also
stays red and the arm also stays down, same reason. The third signal
back stays red and the arm goes up. The fourth signal will be amber
with the arm driven off. This is the optimum case for a pure block
auto signal system. Check out the signal page by Mr. Greenberg for a
more detailed explanation.
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SUBJECT>Will changes accur in the 63rd St subway in January 1998?
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I recently heard from NYCT that this January 1998, there will be
changes in the 63rd St subway because NYCT plans to take on track out
to repair, these are the proposed changes. Weekday "Q" trains will now
terminate at 57th St & 6th Av & Evenings & Weekend "B" trains will
also terminate at 57th St & 6th Av, however during late nights, the
57th St & 6th Av station will be CLOSED. & a 63rd St Shuttle "S" will
operate between 21st St/LI City to 57th St & 7th Av station with
connection to the "N" & "R" trains. I don't know how long this track
work will last. Any comments, please post it.
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SUBJECT>Re: SEPTA's Welcome Line Trolley
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In Reply to: [7]Re: SEPTA's Welcome Line Trolley posted by Michael S.
Buglak on November 21, 1997 at 14:08:24:
SEPTA has announced plans to run Welcome Line service (11th & 12th
Sts) on weekends between Thanksgiving and Christmas. The
special-livery PCC's will be used. Also, hourly service will be run
below Bainbridge St to Snyder Ave using a Kawasaki car.
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In Reply to: [7]Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units posted by
subway-buff on November 20, 1997 at 20:16:02:
The first RTS's were slope-backed, as noted in other follow-ups. In
later units, the square-back often contained the relocated condenser
and other AC components. WMATA in DC rehabbed its 9000-series RTS's
with an add-on square back as many other properties did. SEPTA elected
to go roof-mounted based on its experience with Neoplan buses which
had Sutrak units and seemed to work well.
There is quite a noticeable difference between RTS's and other makes
with air conditioning. SEPTA's were warm even in the front -
insulation wasn't very good, engine heat vented thru the body in the
rear (only contributing to the discomfort level), and door and window
seals were not very tight. In Phila, the Neoplans were better on hot
days, hands down. The only problem I've noticed with roof mounts is
that condensation problems will often lead to "drips" thru the unit
into the bus, falling onto unsuspecting standees.
The Ikarus buses have Carrier units which have a lower profile and
seem to run quieter than the Sutraks. The Ikari (?) also seem to be
better cooled than the Neoplans!
BTW the new SEPTA el cars will have roof-mounted AC. The Kawasaki
trolleys have it also.
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SUBJECT>Re: Princess Di's family refuses offer for "Princess" station
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In Reply to: [6]Princess Di's family refuses offer for "Princess"
station posted by Bingo on November 20, 1997 at 20:05:57:
So
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SUBJECT>Re: McDonald Ave. ("F"Line) El Structure
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In Reply to: [7]McDonald Ave. ("F"Line) El Structure posted by Timothy
on November 20, 1997 at 20:33:03:
Having grown up and lived in the area, I always had the same question
and never got an answer.
It definitely was not part of an old El structure, although it has
been featured in an Eveready Battery commercial some years ago.
My guess it was an experiment.
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In Reply to: [7]Emergency Braking Question 2 posted by GarfieldA on
November 22, 1997 at 16:02:46:
The reason for the stop arm not coming up immediately is because the
signal is placed at the beginning of the block. The block is isolated
from the adjacent blocks by IJs (insulated joints much like on your
model trains). As long as the train is within that block, by design,
the stop arm can not come up. In a short block section, such as you'd
find in an interlocking plant, you'd likely see the stop arm come up
but since automatic blocks are longer, you would would not be able to
see the arm come up.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Unanswered Messages posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 22, 1997 at 15:32:59:
I know how you feel, Gary. Sometimes I wonder if people get sick of my
R110-series questions. I'm sure ~airplane is right though, sometimes
people just don't have anything to say about a certain post. I can
believe that, since sometimes I ask some questions that I know are
pretty difficult to answer.-NICK
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SUBJECT>Ornate Features On El Stations And Structures
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Can anyone tell me why all of the existing el structures and stations
in
New York City, with the exception of the 2 and 5 Line elevated
stations in
The Bronx, lack the ornate features that the Manhattan els had, such
as
fancy cast iron railings around the platforms and on stairways,
lattice,
etc.? I know that each el structure has its own character to some
extent,
but many lack the ornate features that many of the older el structures
had.
Also, Can anyone tell me what el structures and stations in New York
City
have the most ornate features? Thanks.
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In Reply to: [7]Breaking the Record posted by Adam on November 22,
1997 at 11:29:01:
I vote for Saturday the 29th. Anywhere where we casn get to by transit
is ok with me.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Breaking the Record posted by subway-buff on
November 22, 1997 at 22:10:39:
How about 79St. and Broadway on the 29? Thats better for me because I
work the 79St crosstown bus on Saturdays between 1Pm and 9Pm.
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In Reply to: [6]Will changes accur in the 63rd St subway in January
1998? posted by Mike on November 22, 1997 at 16:44:09:
What I heard, is that the B/Q and midnight shuttle is supposed to
terminate on one track at 57th/6th Av, and a shuttle will single track
from the other track to 21st St.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Unanswered Messages posted by Nick on November 22,
1997 at 20:44:54:
I am still waiting for an answer to my question about what a battery
run is, other than a train to battery park ferry terminal
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Baltimore Transit Question posted by Mark
Greenwald on November 21, 1997 at 12:37:24:
You may be right. I suspect that Budd accepted the MTA specs and then
made an offer to Miami for their cars, but I'm not positive.
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I was amazed to read that the cost of connecting the 63rd St. tunnel
to the Queens Blvd line is over $600 million for less than a mile of
route. Having walked around the site and viewing it from the N train
above and E train below, I could better understand the complexity of
the engineering involved. (I would imagine accomodation is being made
for the hoped for LIRR project as well underneath.) Still, it couldn't
have been any easier building the R train connection between the 60th
St. tunnel and the Queens Plaza station, or the Chrystie St.
connection. Does anyone know the cost of building those connections in
original and 1997 dollars?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Breaking the Record posted by Fernando Perez on
November 22, 1997 at 22:42:47:
79th and Bway on 29th is great. what time.
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SUBJECT>Re: PA-5 INFO UPDATE !!!!!!!!!!
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In Reply to: [7]PA-5 INFO UPDATE !!!!!!!!!! posted by Philip E.
Dominguez on November 20, 1997 at 21:06:56:
How will; they do this. During rush hours and weekdays, most of their
fleet is on the tracks, How will they plan to do this without reducing
service.
Also- the NYCT redbirds are suffering from corrosion near the doors,
roofline, etc. Many older PATH cars are the same way. Is a rebuild
worth it vs totally new cars?
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In Reply to: [7]Subway TV Special posted by Albert on November 21,
1997 at 02:44:00:
In Philly they were shown on PBS channel 12. It had several show but I
only saw 2 one on London and the other one on Spain. I don't remeber
the city. You might try a PBS web site. I have looked to see if they
are being re-run but have not found them.
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SUBJECT>Answers to DC Metro quiz
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1) The 5 original stations were Rhode Is. Ave., Union Station,
Judiciary Sq., Metro Center, and Farragut North, all on the Red Line
2) Gallery Place was supposed to open but didn't due to lack of
handicap access
3) Silver Spring, on the Red Line, was the first Maryland station to
open.
4) Metro broke ground at Judiciary Square on 12/9/69.
5) In April 1982, the southern terminus of the Green Line was changed
to Rosecroft, but, later reversed that decision.
6) The Woodley Park-Zoo station, on the Red Line, was originally known
as simply Zoological Park.
7) The original terminal for the Yellow Line was supposed to be
Greenbelt.
8) The Eisenhower Ave. station on the Yellow Line is aerial.
9) The edging in the stations is granite.
10) The length of each station is 600' and can hold a 8-car train.
Bob Wright had the most correct . Bob, e-mail me with your home
address and I'll have something uniquely Metro to send to you.
Mark
Carl Rabbin sent along a couple of bonus questions---here's two of
them...
1) Which station straddles a state line? As in, one entrance in one
jurisdiction, one in another.
2) Which station connects to a shopping mall that is barred to most
people.
3) Which station connects to an underground shopping mall.
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Hi all,
Wondering if anyone has seen proposed MTA logos before they picked the
"pacman" version few years ago. if anyone has them, or leads to
website that has them, let me know.
Thanks,
Michael Adler
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Hi all,
Someone mentioned about the switch of B & C lines, are there any other
route changes in 1998?
Thanks,
Michael Adler
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Hello Everyone,
I recently took a trip on the system to take some photos. Being a
scanner and radio buff, I was looking around in the cabs at the
radios. To my suprise they are not there anymore. The S-Shuttle
between Grand central and Times Sq. still have the old cab mounted
system, but no other line. I also noticed that every TA employee has a
portable Bendix King Radio. I wanted to know if anyone knows exactly
how their communications system works with the towers, control center
and the different hand-held radios.
Just a side note along the same lines: I am in eastern Nassau county
and when I listen to the IND and BMT chnnels, I am able to hear
certian towers, and trains, but not others. Could some one explain if
that is simplex or some type of repeater system. Thanks in advance to
anyone who took the time to read this very verbose message.
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In Reply to: [7]McDonald Ave. ("F"Line) El Structure posted by Timothy
on November 20, 1997 at 20:33:03:
The portion of the Culver El near Shell Road is not a part of an Old
El structure. It was built as part of the Dual Contracts subway
extensions and shares many of the same construction techniques. The
stringers are double latticed on both sides of the stringer angles,
making for a quadruplelattice (60 degree lattice bracing. The cross
bent girders are partially latticed also. The columns follow the
typical construction, being made up from channel, angle and plate
stock. This construction is as sturdy as the conventional plate girder
construction, with the advantage of being much less HEAVY. The pilings
for the columns in this area are on very sandy, silty soil and can not
support the combined dead and live loads required by a plate girder
construction. The structure requires much more maintenance than solid,
plate girders , and thus was used only where necessary. Don't confuse
this construction with the cast iron and steel latticed structures
from the nineteenth century as used on the Manhattan El's. Those
antique structures were much more lightly constructed than the section
of the Culver El and could not support the weight of steel subway
cars. Can you imagine what a D Type "Triplex" would have done to the
Third Avenue El?! You are correct in assesing that this is a unique
structure. As far as I know, it is the only extant latticed El, albeit
a "modern" one (load bearing structure) in revenue service on the
NYCTA today. A poor stepchild of necessity.
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In Reply to: [7]Unanswered Messages posted by Timothy on November 22,
1997 at 12:44:36:
Check my answer under your original question.
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In Reply to: [7]Ornate Features On El Stations And Structures posted
by Timothy on November 22, 1997 at 21:36:59:
The 2 and 5 line (West Farms/White Plains Road) as well as the 1 line
(Broadway) were built as part of the original Contract I IRT subway
construction. The original contract provided for ornamental designs to
be used to decorate the subway and El extensions, thus the ornate and
artistic tile work in the subway, and the ornate treatment of the El
structures.
If you notice, the ornate structures stop at E177 Street because the
line above there is an extension of the El under the Dual Contracts of
1914. The structures built under those contracts were built much less
ornately and cheaply. Both the Broadway and White Plains Road lines
have stations with a good deal of ornamentation still extant. My
personal favorite is the 238th Street Station on the Broadway El in
Riverdale. It has been recently painted and restored, and looks as
good as a scale model! Besides, there is a great diner there (The
Riverdale Diner) where you can have coffee and pie and look out the
window at the arriving and departing trains. Just like the early
sixties! Check out the stations on the Franklin Avenue Shuttle as well
as Sutter Avenue Station on the Canarsie Line. They have some
interesting style elements also. Both were part of original El
construction that preceded the Dual Contracts. Marcy Avenue on the
Brooklyn El also has some ornamentation, although it is somewhat
decrepit today. If you get off there, go have a great steak at Gage
and Tollner. Bon Apetit!
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I have the track maps completed for the Baltimore Metro (not the light
rail.....yet.) If anybody wants a copy, e-mail me. They're hand-drawn,
but, I guess that's better than nothing. This includes the entire line
from Owings Mills to Johns Hopkins.
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SUBJECT>PRT at West Virginia Univ. @ Morgantown
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I have several copies of a brochure introducing the public to the PRT.
If you would like a copy (while supplies last), e-mail me w/ your
mailing address. If you would like to see the track map, look under
the "transit systems worldwide' section.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Baltimore Transit Question posted by Dan Lawrence
on November 23, 1997 at 00:37:43:
Here's an update from the original car order:
#100-171 are from the original 208-car order placed in conjunction
with Metro-Dade Transportation Administration (Miami). Cars 1-58 and
99-112 in production sequence. Cars172-199 are 28 cars of option to
original order, procured for "Section B".
Cars are paired consecutively 100/101 through 198/199
Digital side signs, automatically controlled roller curtain in front.
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In Reply to: [7]NYCTA Radio System posted by Adam Karp on November 23,
1997 at 11:57:03:
Adam, I can't offer you advice on how to receive the other signals,
but
perhaps you could tell me how to receive, if possible IND & BMT
signals in the Albany area. Thanks for any help.
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In Reply to: [7]Baltimore Transit Question posted by Julio Perez on
November 21, 1997 at 07:34:08:
As of today, 11/23/97, most of the messages posted on the Baltimore
transit heayy rail car issue are true. But, I still don't have the
answer to my question: What is the model name or number to these cars
built by Budd? Just like there are R-62, R-68, R-110A, R-110B, etc.
for NYCTA, what are the model numbers of the cars used by Baltimore
and Metro-Dade Transit Agency (now called Miami-Dade Transit Agency)?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway TV Special posted by Fred Wellman on
November 23, 1997 at 10:31:40:
They were shown on Mississippi ETV in my area. I saw a show on
Berlin,Germany, New York, London. They also had shows about a city in
India and one in Spain. They were 1/2 hours long and were quite uneven
in quality. Some concentrated on the transit system, others were more
of a travel show about the city. Unfortunately it has been so long I
can't remember which was which.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Most extensive subway? posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
November 21, 1997 at 12:14:47:
1987-88 edition of "Janes World Railway", an well repected publisher
of various reference works on ships, aircraft, freight containers, etc
puts the route-kilometers as follows: New York 387.2;London 392;
Moscow 208.
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SUBJECT>Re: Breaking the Record (79St-Broadway)12 Noon 29th
DATE>Nov 30 10:49:54 1997
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Breaking the Record posted by subway-buff on
November 23, 1997 at 06:38:13:
How's 12 noon on the 29th Saturday?
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In case you missed SNL last night, Mayor Rudolph Guliani was the host.
he did a skit on how to get rid of graffiti. Under each graffitied
name, he would put the word "sucks"...so everyone would think that
person sucked. Now of course this is just a humerous skit, but it got
me thinking...maybe something like this would work to deter subway
window scratches.-NICK
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I have noticed that the NYCT is removing ads from station walls. Many
stations have (or have had) the recessed ad panels and alot are now
blank (black) or a tiled over- You can see the tile is whiter and a
closer look reveals there used to be an ad panel there. Why are they
being removed. Isn't this a loss of a revenue source?
(this is especially common on the Queens Blvd and A brooklyn Fulton St
lines)
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In Reply to: [7]Any more route changes in '98? posted by Michael Adler
on November 23, 1997 at 11:41:02:
Really? What type of switch? Terminal switches?
The only thing I heard was that they are considering to restore
service from the Williamsburg Bridge to the 6th Avenue line... Mostly
rumors, nothing concrete...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Unanswered Messages posted by Joe M on November
22, 1997 at 23:53:11:
The fantastic thing about this page is that you have regular's who are
more knowledgable about certain fields that others. Hank is our Staten
Island expert, Steve Buglak is Pennsylvania expert, Trolleybus is
buses and trolleys, etc. So maybe you just need to hang tight till
your expert comes and see's your message. Then repost your question
after it deleted after a certain amout of time
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In Reply to: [7]Removal of ads on station walls posted by subway-buff
on November 23, 1997 at 16:42:30:
I heard that the advertisers were pulling ads because they felt they
weren't having th desired effect -- I guess market research people
think New Yorkers aren't affected by advertising. Sounds like a thesis
topic in there somewhere...or did Marshall McLuhan already do it?
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Do any women read this page? I've only been a regular for a short
time, but have yet to see any postings by females.
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In Reply to: [7]Answers to DC Metro quiz posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 23, 1997 at 11:16:04:
I think the answer to #1 is Grovesnor on the Red line...
The answer to #3 is Crystal City on the Blue and Yellow lines...
I don't know #2, but I think it is Pentagon City...
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In Reply to: [7]Women posted by Tim Speer on November 23, 1997 at
16:54:40:
I can assure you. Some women do read and post to this forum. Many
women on the internet prefer gender neutral names due to spam and
"adult" themed e-mail.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Breaking the Record (79St-Broadway)12 Noon 29th
posted by Fernando Perez on November 23, 1997 at 16:37:17:
To ALL: the meeting is 12 noon on sat. 11/29/1997 at 79th and
Broadway.
Guiness here we come !!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Will changes accur in the 63rd St subway in
January 1998? posted by Eric B on November 22, 1997 at 23:02:34:
That's what I heard also... The reason: to allow for the Queens
Boulevard section to be built...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on November 21, 1997 at
23:59:54:
I have problems with this:
If they decide to this, I feel that this will delay service on the B
line... The B train was already rated as the worst line in service,
according to one of the newspapers in NYC (I believe it was either the
Post or the News)... It arrives very late frequently, and it suffers
from severe overcrowding conditions (which was one of the reasons that
the Q and B trains switched cars a couple of months ago)... Being a
former rider of the Concourse line, rush hour up there is hectic...
The trip for the B train would be longer than it is now, which will
not make many people happy...
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The meeting is Saturday 11/29/1997 at 12:00 NOON at Broadway and 79th
street in Manhattan.
Those interested make plans to attend. (Yes, I'll be the. I'll have on
a short green coat and black shoes. I'll be waiting at the uptown #1
subway entrance for our bus driver who arranged the meeting.
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In Reply to: [7]Subway TV Special posted by Albert on November 21,
1997 at 02:44:00:
I believe the series you mean is "Great Metros of the World" It was
shown in 1990 on PBS stations.
I purchased a copy of the tape (it is paired with the show on the
Toronto system) at the NY Transit Museum Gift Shop a couple of years
ago.
Whether there are any left there I have no idea.
There was a postcard in the box with this address:
International Video Network
Attn: Marketing Dept.
2246 Camino Ramon
San Ramon, CA 94583-9913
You may want to drop them a line to see if they still stock that
series.
BTW - the portion on NY was rather inaaacurate in many spots. A couple
of examples:
the Narrater said "Interborough Rapid Transport" instead of Transit.
He said
that the A train started out elevated at 207th St (and the tape showed
the elevated 207th
station on the # 1 Broadway line). It had a woman telling that she
takes the A train and shows her at the same time
boarding a # 3.
In general the commentary did not (in my opinion) show the NYC system
in a favorable light.
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In Reply to: [6]Subway TV Special posted by Albert on November 21,
1997 at 02:44:00:
Yes, there was a one hour long special on different subway systems
around the world which aired around 1990. I taped it and though I have
not viewed it for a couple of years, it was narrated by a woman and
some of the subways profiled were Washington, DC, Mexico City, New
York, San Francisco, Stockholm, and I believe the Indian system was
the one in Calcutta. That was narrators favorite system. You should
call PBS to see if you can purchase a copy of the tape
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Has anyone heard about the extension of the #7 train to New Jersey? If
so, is it still in the project stage?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Unanswered Messages posted by Fernando Perez on
November 23, 1997 at 16:47:40:
Here's yet another reason why some messages go ignored:
I've noticed that with Internet Explorer 4, a post with a short
subject (usually less than about 20 characters) can show up on the
screen as a link, but does not act as a link should when one moves the
mouse pointer over it. The pointer remains an arrow, instead of
becoming a hand, and the only way to gain access to the message is to
follow the "In Reply to" link on the first response.
Has anyone else noticed this problem, and can it be defeated?
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In Reply to: [7]Extension of the #7 Train posted by Amy O. Darone on
November 23, 1997 at 21:12:01:
hmm.. never heard of it.. seems like a good idea but i am very
skeptical about it ever happening...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Lefty on
November 23, 1997 at 21:58:30:
I can't imagine it happening unless New Jersey pays an enormous chunk
of it. Lord knows, there are a lot of other projects that are further
up the priority list within Manhatten....the 2nd Ave. subway, for
instance.
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In Reply to: [7]Extension of the #7 Train posted by Amy O. Darone on
November 23, 1997 at 21:12:01:
I heard of this pie in the sky idea a few years back when Alan Kiepper
first became NYCTA President.
I doubt that this will ever happen. Extending the 7 to Jersey will
greatly benefit Jersey's economy and lead to NYC job losses.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Breaking the Record (79St-Broadway)12 Noon 29th
posted by subway-buff on November 23, 1997 at 17:12:30:
That would work with me but we need a place where we can sit down and
talk and maybe write up some tentative plans. Are there any locations
around this area where we can do that? Also, to everybody who
responded before can you respond again so we know if this is good for
everybody. Thanks! I really hope we have a large number of people on
this with us because the more minds we have working on this, the
better the plan we will come up with!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: You have got to be kidding posted by Peter Rosa on
November 21, 1997 at 12:15:08:
PA-5's will not be made up of rebuilt PA-1's. PATH had intended to
rebuild their PA-3 and PA-4 fleets (with AC propulsion and provision
for automatic train operation, to name a few goodies). The automatic
train operation feature was the need for full length cabs. The plan to
rebuild the PA-3's and 4's was put on hold because the PA did not have
the money for this. Also, when they looked at the estimates for this
refit, it was only a couple of hundred grand cheaper than all new
rolling stock. PATH is currently looking into the purchase of all new
cars (PA-5's) to take the place of the PA-1's and 2's. One option that
was discussed (briefly) was the possibility of ordering some of the
new IRT cars that are currently being made for the MTA. PATH looked at
the overall car dimensions of their fleet and the IRT fleet to see if
this could work. The two fleets have similar dimensions, but the PATH
cars are shorter and have a shorter turning radius. Major changes to
an IRT car under carriage, as well as different trucks would have to
be utilized to make an IRT car fit in the PATH tunnels. The thing that
makes this plan attractive is that by riding on to the MTA's new car
contract, the PA can save lots of $$$ on the cost of a new car. I
should caution any one who reads this that the use of IRT type cars on
PATH was just in the discussion stage by PATH. At this point in time,
PATH does not intend to do this.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Unanswered Messages and IE 4 posted by ~airplane
on November 23, 1997 at 21:40:50:
I have also, this is the ONLY place that i experince this problem
sometimes i can click at the VERY VERY end of the link and it works
but its most probally another little buggy in IE4
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
posted by Eric B on November 22, 1997 at 13:14:21:
Actually I wonder if the 6th Ave. end of the tunnel can be reopened. I
thought it was close to the PATH station but I can't find any trace of
it anymore. The sealed-off 7th Ave. end is still there.
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when an underground stateion is abandoned are the lights left on or do
they turn some off or do they turn them all off???
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In Reply to: [7]Stateion Lights posted by Zack on November 24, 1997 at
02:17:02:
If the lights in a sealed tunnel are left on --- do they really glow
if
there is no one there to see them....
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In Reply to: [7]Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 23, 1997 at 17:24:22:
I'll have on a Amsterdam Depot cap on and maybe if I can swing it, we
can use the bus that's parked at 79St for the drivers lunch if we can
keep the noise down and end the meeting at 100 Pm so I can go to
work.Generally the bus is parked at 79St. the downtown side of the
Avenue. My dispacher should not have any objection if we take the back
of the bus for our meeting.
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SUBJECT>Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units (Philly RTSes)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units (Philly
RTSes) posted by Eric B on November 22, 1997 at 13:28:31:
While I agree that the slope-back RTS is nicer looking, keep in mind
that one of the reasons that the original design was not continued
because the original AC set-up was just too unreliable in service.
Also, by the time of CTA's order, the RTS design had been sold to TMC.
Possibly TMC did not have the ability to create another slope-back
RTS? I'm not sure, but that is interesting to speculate! - Michael S.
Buglak
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In Reply to: [7]Re: SEPTA's Welcome Line Trolley posted by Bobw on
November 22, 1997 at 16:57:28:
Bob, thanks for the update. (I just saw this myself in the Delaware
Valley Association of Rail Passengers' latest newsletter. Go to
libertynet.org/~dvarp for an online copy.)-Michael S. Buglak
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does anyone have any additional info --routes,,carrier
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does anyone have any additional info --routes,,carrier
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Mark Greenwald
on November 23, 1997 at 22:09:34:
i just remembered that i read somewhere that the 7 ended at times
square for a good reason which i do not remember specifically, but i
think that it is not possible for the line to be extended, at least
not without destroying a whole lot of stuff thats in the way.
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In Reply to: [7]Extension of the #7 Train posted by Amy O. Darone on
November 23, 1997 at 21:12:01:
The proposal would have resulted in this:
--A new tunnel underneath the Hudson River from the Times Square
station of the number 7 line.
--That tunnel would have connected to the Hoboken PATH station.
--The plan would be to run number 7 service at CERTAIN TIMES ONLY
between Main Street in Queens and Newark Penn Station.
None of this ever got past the planning/discussion stages, however.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Lefty on
November 24, 1997 at 08:21:44:
The major obstruction is the lower level of the 42nd St. Station on
8th Av. However, this hasn't been used for passengers in years, and is
probably surplus.
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In Reply to: [6]NYCTA Radio System posted by Adam Karp on November 23,
1997 at 11:57:03:
What Freq's are you using?
I've been trying since I moved to Brooklyn but haven't found any good
one's.. I used to listen to Staten Island Railway and EWR Tower from
home when living in Staten Island (too far from JFK for handle held).
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
Fernando Perez on November 24, 1997 at 03:36:02:
What if we want to take part in this and cannot make the meeting?-NICK
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Recently the BBS has had numerous postings about the 2nd avenue
subway, B & C terminals switching, and now an extension of the # 7.
All of these ideas sound good, but do you really think their gonna
happen. Look at a few books on the history of the NYC subways...they
all say after SEVEN decades of work, the subway was completed in the
70's. Not to mention these projects are costly, we are talking
hundereds of millions if not billions of $$. Also, the MTA has
proposed these ideas, but they seem to take forever to go
through...like DECADES. That's my two cents, what's yours?-NICK
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In Reply to: [7]Stateion Lights posted by Zack on November 24, 1997 at
02:17:02:
It depends. Some like the lower level of 9th Ave in Brooklyn and City
Hal in Manhattan have them all on because, I'll guess, they're not on
a circuit that allows the station to be selectively turned off. Others
like Worth Street or the uptown 18th ST platform have them all off (or
they've all been vandalized). Still others like Bergen St, lower
level, or Myrtle Ave, have only some of them turned on. Finally, 18th
St downtown and 91st on the Broadway line have "new" lights (a few
sets of 5 bulbs together) installed for Transit Museum tours.
--Mark
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In Reply to: [7]Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 23, 1997 at 17:24:22:
Sorry, can't attend; I'll be away for Thanksgiving.
Is someone going to volunteer to post the meeting "minutes" for those
of us unable to attend?
--Mark
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on November 21, 1997 at
23:59:54:
Hmmm ... with existing service patterns, you could have a one-seat
ride up the Grand Concourse from 6th Ave (D) and 8th Ave (C) during
rush hours. With these changes, there is no longer a direct route via
8th Ave to the Concourse Line - you will be forced to make a transfer
to the B or D to do this in the Spring.
I presume some kind of ridership study was done which indicated that
this would not be a problem for most people, or that the monetary gain
from the terminal swap more than offsets the "inconvenience" of a
changed ridership pattern.
Just my two cents.
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In Reply to: [6]Stateion Lights posted by Zack on November 24, 1997 at
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On a related note--
Why does the TA keep lights on 24 hours a day on the platforms of
elevated stations?
Is there any reason they do not use the same technology DOT uses
(photoelectric sensors attatched to lamp posts) to control the lights
as they renovate old el stations?
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In Reply to: [7]Subway TV Special posted by Albert on November 21,
1997 at 02:44:00:
It was called "Great Metros of the World" and it ran on PBS in 1990.
You might try a hobby shop that deals with traction items - they may
have them. I bought one on Hong Kong and another on Washington DC/BART
at a train show a few years back.
--Mark
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In Reply to: [6]Poll: Will these projects go through? posted by Nick
on November 24, 1997 at 11:48:04:
I think the B/C northern terminal switch will take place as it won't
require any new ground breaking. The other projects: It's anyones'
guess. I think they'll remain on the backburner for now.
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In Reply to: [6]Rudy's Idea posted by Nick on November 23, 1997 at
16:40:29:
It would probably work - but graffiti writers may retaliate by doing
the same to his name. It may work - and then Rudolph will seize the
opportunity to jump into the spotlight and claim credit for it - I
guess everyone is good at something!
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In Reply to: [6]Answers to DC Metro quiz posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 23, 1997 at 11:16:04:
The answer to #1 should be Friendship Heights on the Red Line.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Will changes accur in the 63rd St subway in
January 1998? posted by Daniel on November 23, 1997 at 17:13:25:
Actually, that's the reason for the F late nite switch (how long is
that ride, anyway?)
The reason for the partial closure of the 63st line is for rebof the
roadbed, which was built using a differentt method (rail bolted to
concrete directly, or something similar), and is crumbling.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Unanswered Messages posted by Fernando Perez on
November 23, 1997 at 16:47:40:
Gee, thanks...I never thought of myself as expert in anything but
avoiding High School...:>
-hank
PS-I'm in college now
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Andrew Huie on November 21,
1997 at 23:09:41:
My understand is it has to do with car assignments and maintainence.
The general thinking is that Concourse will only have to maintain
R-68/68a etc...
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Eric B on November 22, 1997 at
13:01:36:
On some of the old maps I have, it shows the 2,3,4,5 at both Flatbush
and New Lots/Utica...occasional Rush Hour 2 and 5 trains also run to
New Lots, but they're not on the map. Rode it once, at New lots, it
goes O/S.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Unanswered Messages and IE 4 posted by ~airplane
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Sure. Use Netscrape.... :>
Actually, I have both Navigator 4.03 and IE 4.0 I need (and use) IE
only to play games on Internet Gaming Zone, which for some reason,
doesn't work with Navigator (perhaps because IGZ is run by MS?)(yes)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Lou on November 24,
1997 at 10:46:20:
I can't get EWR tower....I can get the automated status repeater,
though.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Breaking the Record (79St-Broadway)12 Noon 29th
posted by Adam on November 23, 1997 at 22:56:52:
Our "host" Fernando the bus driver is going to try to let us use the
back of a bus parked at the corner. He'll have an Amsterdam depot cap
on his head and is checking into letting us use the back of a bus for
the meeting.
I volunteer to take minutes,subject to the desires of the group, and
to keep a journal of the trip: times, train line, car number, transfer
point, etc, also subject to the desire of the group.
Thanks, Adam for posting this to the site. This too has always been a
dream of mine and now it will happen- thanks!! (I feel safe with the
group that is going and would not have felt safe alone.)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by C. Ciaccio on
November 23, 1997 at 13:48:14:
We're talking about a radio system optimzed to work underground, and
you want to hear it in ALBANY? I can't pick up NYPD in queens from
Staten Island, and it's only 20 miles away over water!
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Junked LIRR cars posted by Peter Rosa on November
21, 1997 at 22:20:56:
And what kind are they? Coaches, MUs, old MU's?
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units posted by
Wayne Johnson on November 21, 1997 at 09:18:38:
Those buses dissappeared only 4 years ago, with the delivery of the
first 70 or so Orions (then numbered 93001-93072, since renumbered to
101-172) I would frequently ride them as they used them as school
specials..the A/C worked in about 50% of them, until 92, then none of
them worked.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Stateion Lights posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on
November 24, 1997 at 03:19:47:
If they do, we collect revenue!
The New York Power Authority supplies the electricity for the MTA /
NYC Transit.
-J. Greene - Conservation Progam Engineer - NYPA
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 24, 1997 at 15:11:06:
Try either the "Police Call" books available at Radio Shack. These
books have sections just for airports, RRs, etc. in addition to
exhaustive listings of frequencies on just about anything else. Also
try "www.airnav.com" for radio frequency info for airports of your
choice.
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In Reply to: [6]QSC Qm Commuter Buses posted by chris on November 24,
1997 at 08:17:26:
I am presuming you mean Queens Surface Corp. Express Lines from Queens
to Manhattan. What info are you seeking?
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Dave-this is a great page. I wish you or someone could create such a
page for buses. I fear much surface transit history has been lost to
the scrapyard. Can ayone help with an easily accessible site for NYC
Bus history/pictures. P.S. Always on the lookout for bus rollsigns.
Can anyone help there, too???
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In Reply to: [7]Poll: Will these projects go through? posted by Nick
on November 24, 1997 at 11:48:04:
Nick:
You're right... All these projects require a @#$%load of money... The
B,C northern terminal swich will go through (to my dismay), but I
don't anticipate anything else to happen... Although, with the
conditions on the Manhattan Bridge as they are, expect something to
happen regarding this issue possibly as early as next year...
P.S. -- Extending the #7? That will be wonderful... But will they
build above or below ground beyond Main Street in Flushing?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Gerry O'Regan
on November 24, 1997 at 09:20:57:
And to add on to what Gerry wrote, I believe that once you past that,
you have the tubes of the Lincoln Tunnel that are not to far from
there... You would have to really dig deep into the Hudson River bed
in order to buid a tunnel...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Nick
on November 24, 1997 at 11:41:13:
Good question. I imagine that a number of people who want to take part
in this event will not be able to make the meeting because they
already have plans for Thanksgiving (myself included). So it would be
appreciated if somebody who attended the meeting to post a summary for
those unable to attend.
Koi
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Elevated Station Lights posted by Neil on November
24, 1997 at 12:43:24:
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Elevated Station Lights posted by Neil on November
24, 1997 at 12:43:24:
Most stations with fluorescent lights have photoswitches. Also, the
2/5 line from Jackson to 177 have phortoswitches. I imagine that the
J/z Between Marcy and E pakrway will also have them whent he new
lights are installed. I imagine that alot of the older stations are on
clock timers which could have failed in on position. I grew up riding
the New Lots and the lights were never on during the day and at that
time (61-66)had regular light bulbs.Even the brighton line had
fluorescent lights by 1961 and the open sections were off dsuring the
day.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Koi
on November 24, 1997 at 18:43:18:
For those with other plans,if I have any say at all I will have
someone (or myself) post a summary of the meeting on subtalk.
When this trip happens, either myself or someone will post a summary
of the trip and whether or not the record was broken and why or why
not.
I am going on this adventure and plan on keeping a journal of the
trip-if only for my own use and that, if nothing else, will be posted
on subtalk.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
posted by Andrew Huie on November 24, 1997 at 01:44:21:
If you really mean *6th* ave, it is still open! you go down to the L
platform, walk the L platform and back up. It is a connection to the
IRT 1/2/3/9. The 7th to 8th ave was closed due to high crime concerns,
as was the 34 street tunnel to Penn Station. The straphangers Campaign
is presing to have these and others reopened (including 34 to 42) but
so far the NYCT says no- even to part time opening with stores in the
passageways.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 24, 1997 at 19:33:53:
What is the point of thse meeting What record is trying to be broken?
I don't see anything in the thread about what this meeting is all
about, it must be posted in a previous week's subtalk. Could someone
please fill me in. Thanks.
JC
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In Reply to: [7]NYCTA Radio System posted by Adam Karp on November 23,
1997 at 11:57:03:
The NYCT got away from the Cab Mounted radio in favor of the hand held
portables because of changes in technology. The 'new' radios have a
feature, whereby when a crew member keys the transmit switch, the
radio is programmed to send out a coded signal with the train's call
letters and the operator. This gives control center that info
instantly. Also, these radios weigh about 1/20th of the old radios,
giving the crews less to carry around.
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In Reply to: [7]B & C trains are switching terminals north of 145th St
in the Spring 1998. posted by Mike on November 21, 1997 at 20:53:20:
One of the reasons for the swap of northern terminals of the B & C
lines is economic, to save money. There is another reason, which is
political. Not city politics but internal politics. Simply put it
works like this.
There are 2 major intersection points which must be considered in the
operation of the A, B, C, and D lines. They are 59th St and 145th St.
The towers at those locations are under 8th Ave Line management.
Therefore, 6th Ave service (B & D) are routinely held in favor of A &
C trains. For example, in the afternoon, it is routine for a
southbound D train to be held at 145th St. to allow an A train to get
ahead of it. This makes sense since the A is an 8th Ave service and
the tower is under 8th Ave. control. However, if you hold the D train
too long at 145th St., you also delay the C train which is behind it.
Not a desirable situation since the C is also an 8th Ave. service. By
swapping the B & C lines at the northern end terminal, the 'problem'
is eliminated. You can expect to see 8th Ave On Time Performance go up
while 6th Ave. OTP drops, once the swap is made.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the Atlantic Ave. renovation project?
The planners were there last week with their architectural
renderings.........
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In Reply to: [7]B & C swap - The politics of the move posted by Steve
on November 24, 1997 at 21:39:27:
The 'politics' theory sounds kind of odd. Is the TA divided up into
different factions based on trunk lines? If so, why? The tower at
145th Street should not be basing their decisions on whether or not
the train is a 6th Ave. or an 8th Ave. train, but whether it is the
one SCHEDULED to continue past that point. By your logic, it's very
possible for both towers to do unpleasant things like letting a couple
of A & C trains pass before letting B & D trains continue. I'm not
saying you're wrong, just that I hope the people controlling the
switches aren't showing preferences for a train just because it uses a
different route.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
posted by subway-buff on November 24, 1997 at 19:39:25:
Sorry aboout that, I wasn't clear about which tunnel I was talking
about. I meant the tunnel under 32nd Street between 6th & 7th avenue.
At 6th Ave. the entrance to ex-A&S Plaza seems to be right at the spot
where the tunnel entrance should be, hence my concern at whether the
tunnel can be reopened. As for the 34th-41st st. tunnel under 6th Ave,
unless it is turned into some kind of underground mall, I see no
reason to reopen it. Other than an alternative to walking in the rain
or snow it doesn't seem to confer any real advantage (i.e., no
shortcuts or transfers), and is more likely to become a haven for the
homeless and breeding ground for crime unless a considerable amount of
effort is put into its safety.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway TV Special posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn
on November 23, 1997 at 20:57:01:
To all who have responded about the TV Special about world subways,
"Great Metros of the World". Thank You very much. I look foward to
viewing this special if I can find one. Once again thanks for all the
info.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Most extensive subway? posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
November 21, 1997 at 12:14:47:
I actually meant in square miles. Which I now know is D.C. metro.
Thank you for the info. Thank you everyone else who responded to my
question, "Most Extensive Subway?"
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In Reply to: [7]Life Cycle Photos (to David P.) posted by Charles
Fiori on November 24, 1997 at 17:09:34:
I'm willing to build and create it....got time to spare....
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 24, 1997 at 19:33:53:
FYI, in case it hasn't been seen before, te previous record that I
have access to (1986 edition of guiness) shows a record of 21 hours,
8.5 minutes on Oct 8, 1973..ayatem mileage as per '86 book is
231.73...it's a bit longer now, with Archer and 63st....perhaps there
currently IS no record.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Charles Fiori on
November 24, 1997 at 16:24:08:
It's not that I don't know the freq, I just can't get it. I get lots
of other things, explained and unexplained, but not that.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C swap - The politics of the move posted by
Andrew Huie on November 25, 1997 at 01:50:18:
5 years from now, it'll all be punch buttons and a computer in
Metrotech, with guy sitting in front of it with a mouse and a Marklin
digital controller, eating Cheesy Poofs....
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Poll: Will these projects go through? posted by Nick
on November 24, 1997 at 11:48:04:
Having lived here so long, I can say that unfortunately, none of the
projects will get done. Instead, we have idiotic stuff like Madison
Ave. escalators being rehabbed. For what???? Typical NYC. Someone is
in someone's pockets.
Here's what we need (so far as projects go)
1) Second Ave Subway
2) New G stations at Ash/Manhattan and Vernon Jackson (replacing
21/Van Alst)
3) A new B/D tie in in F tunnel at Rutgers St.
4) Building of a west side subway/link (perhaps utilizing the old
tracks that run on 10th Ave.)
5) Extending the L and 7 to meet the new 10th Ave. line
Maybe that will work.
P.S. Hi Steve.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
Joshua Caesar on November 24, 1997 at 20:53:38:
We are talking about riding every line in the system-every piece of
track, on one fare--a subway derby if you prefer. the current record
according to a previous poster is 21 hrs,, 8.5 minutes set on
10/8/1973 before the Archer Extension opened.
The meeting is at broadway and 79th at 12noon on 11/29/1997. This
meeting is to make plans and see who is actually interested in doing
the trip.
we will post minutes on subtalk for those unable to attend.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Life Cycle Photos (to David P.) posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 25, 1997 at 02:50:55:
Hank, you da man. Can we get the blessing of the webmaster, Mr. P.? It
would be fun to see some older bus pictures (50s, 60s, 70s) along with
whatever else we might uncover.
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In Reply to: [7]Life Cycle Photos (to David P.) posted by Charles
Fiori on November 24, 1997 at 17:09:34:
The best bus site I've seen so far is the "Bus Spot" at
http://members.aol.com/busspot/main.html
It has a few good NYC bus pictures, but I too would like to see more.
If anyone knows of a bigger or better bus site, please post it!
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I'm glad someone will post the meeting minutes on subtalk. This will
help lots of us who cannot make the meeting. Hopefully this "Derby"
will be planned during Christmas break, so schoolboys like myself can
do this. The question is, when during the break? Right after
Christmas...like the 26th or 27th of December?-NICK
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units posted by
Hank Eisenstein on November 24, 1997 at 15:34:04:
When rhe Blitz buses were pulled from SI express service they didn't
disappear at that point. For a while a few of the 5500's were
transferred to MaBSTOA's Amsterdam Depot and many (along with other
local service Blitz rebuilds) were later sent to MSBA (or MTA/LI Bus,
as they call it now).
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In Reply to: [7]Re: QSC Qm Commuter Buses posted by Charles Fiori on
November 24, 1997 at 16:27:58:
are there new routes ,,numbers,,etc
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In Reply to: [6]Re: B & C swap - The politics of the move posted by
Andrew Huie on November 25, 1997 at 01:50:18:
I agree that is an unfair way of operating, but I'm inclined to
believe it does happen in this case as well as in any profession.
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In Reply to: [6]B & C swap - The politics of the move posted by Steve
on November 24, 1997 at 21:39:27:
I always thought this sort of thing was taking place, but I didn't
want to be paranoid.
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Rather than posting this as a follow-up to others, I thought I'd post
it where folks could easily reference it.
The SEPTA Welcome Line will be running on all weekends between
Thanksgiving and Christmas, including the weekend after Christmas and
11/28 and 12/26. PCC's will operate every 30 minutes between 10 AM and
5 PM on the loop from Bainbridge St to Noble St. A special "Market to
Market" trolley (Reading Terminal to Italian) will use a Kawasaki car
on an hourly headway from 10:15 AM to 4:15 PM and will run from Snyder
Ave to Noble St. The fare is a bargain at 25 cents.
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In Reply to: [7]Sounds Good! posted by Nick on November 25, 1997 at
09:49:38:
As one who tried to do the entire system (see my prior post) many
years ago, I must reiterate that this can't be done on a weekend! The
headways are much longer, and you'll spend too much time wating rather
than riding. The trip must include a weekday that has regular rush
hour service, which will also allow you to use express trains when
necessary to double-back past stations that you have already stopped
at. A key part of the planning strategy is how to take advantage of
TIME SAVINGS, not just finding the route which minimizes mileage.
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In Reply to: [7]Extension of the #7 Train posted by Amy O. Darone on
November 23, 1997 at 21:12:01:
I think the TA should think about replacing or refurbishing the old
"redbirds" of the Flushing line. Extensions to anywhere, should come
after new subway cars are added.
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The Monday edition of the Boston Globe has a column, "Starts and
Stops", written by Thomas Palmer. Each week he focuses on
commuter-related issues, including road and rail, and he answers
readers' questions. In the 24 November 1997 column, the question of
express runs on the T was raised. Since Gerry O'Regan and I responded
to this question here on SubTalk a few weeks ago, I thought I'd
provide a transcription of the column, which has nearly identical
information!
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Not really, but the MBTA's Brian Pedro has. "They do that to adjust
headways on all the lines, but especially the Green and the Red
Lines," he said. "Sometimes the Orange." Headways are the separation
between trains. And an express will be designated on the Red Line
heading north, for example, when the T needs a train at Harvard or
Alewife right away to start back in the other direction.
"We don't schedule expresses, but sometimes they happen," Pedro
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In Reply to: [7]QSC Qm Commuter Buses posted by chris on November 24,
1997 at 08:17:26:
When visiting a friend in Queens, I take the QM4 (Jewel Ave Bus). On
my first time actually riding the bus, I asked the driver and he
handed me a schedule. You can also call Queens Surface Corp and
request a timetable of their routes be sent to your home.
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In Reply to: [7]QSC Qm Commuter Buses posted by chris on November 24,
1997 at 08:17:26:
When visiting a friend in Queens, I take the QM4 (Jewel Ave Bus). On
my first time actually riding the bus, I asked the driver and he
handed me a schedule. You can also call Queens Surface Corp and
request a timetable of their routes be sent to your home.
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Yesterday the the MTA board held the first of two meetings proposed
for the remaining year concerning the estimated 167 million transit
surplus. Their are now reports that by year's end, the surplus will
rise to 200 million or even higher. I think the MTA should act swift
and go with the fare deduction and/or special discount for MetroCard
holders. If the MTA board sits and waits with the money, Gov. Pataki
and other officials from the state are right there waiting to collect
the bounty. Also, the MTA should have enough money to start replacing
subway cars especially on the #7 line. Money should be spent on
replacing those cars and others before using the money on line
extensions and other garbage they have under thier sleeves.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 25, 1997 at 04:51:40:
I would be intrested in this or at least helping out during the
attempt if I can't get 24hrs to join you.
Keep us posted here, please.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 25, 1997 at 04:51:40:
I would be intrested in this or at least helping out during the
attempt if I can't get 24hrs to join you. I can not make your 1st
meeting because of the holiday.
Keep us posted here, please.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Charles Fiori on
November 24, 1997 at 16:24:08:
When I moved here to Brooklyn Radio Shack's Police Call was out of
print pending a new edition and CDRom....
I'll check once more..
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 25, 1997 at 02:58:28:
From the North Shore I could get the EWR Tower on the hand held. South
Shore only got EWRArrival or Departure and ATIS (I think that's the
alpha soup for the automatic airport info recording).
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In Reply to: [6]MTA Transit Surplus posted by GarfieldA on November
25, 1997 at 11:04:02:
when are they going to act on reducing the express bus fare since they
no longer have any valid reason not to.
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In Reply to: [6]MTA Transit Surplus posted by GarfieldA on November
25, 1997 at 11:04:02:
when are they going to act on reducing the express bus fare since they
no longer have any valid reason not to.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Poll: Will these projects go through? posted by
sammy on November 25, 1997 at 04:34:36:
#3 on your list - the B/D connection to the Rutgers St. tunnel - might
actually get done. The other ideas, especially the Second Avenue line,
are still the transit equivalent of vaporware ...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Poll: Will these projects go through? posted by
sammy on November 25, 1997 at 04:34:36:
What exactly is the the B/D connection to the Rutgers St. tunnel?
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On the 5 train heading towards Manhattan, before the tunnel, there is
what
seems to be some sort of el. There are nothing but support beams. It
seems to raise from the rest of the line and doesn't go into the
tunnel. There also seems to be enought room for two express tracks.
Why don't the MTA replace the old junk trains on the 7 line? Thay have
been running for nearly twenty years. They are very uncomfortable and
noisy.
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In Reply to: [6]Atlantic Ave. Rehab Project - Fact or Fiction? posted
by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on November 25, 1997 at 01:19:00:
Hmmm... My question is this: WHEN are they going to finish the
renovation of Atlantic Avenue... Winter is not to far away, so when it
snows (and the snow melts), you are going to have some flood problems
at this station...
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In Reply to: [6]#7 and #5 IRT posted by Grimms on November 25, 1997 at
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Grimms:
Which tunnel? When the train enters before it reaches the 149th
Street/3rd Avenue station?
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Unanswered Messages posted by Fernando Perez on
November 23, 1997 at 16:47:40:
To further on everyone having their own area of "expertise" - does
anyone know if the REAL experts on some of this stuff has ever seen
this page?? I mean like engineers at MTA, or some of our more famous
fans such as Cudahy or Carelton?? I've always wondered about that...
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 24, 1997 at 15:20:17:
I've always had problems getting ANYTHING inside the tunnels.Around
Coney things are pretty good, and PATH surprisingly is excellent- even
in WTC!! Otherwise you have the same problems the police have-concrete
tunnels-yuk!
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In Reply to: [6]Phila Welcome Line Update posted by Bobw on November
25, 1997 at 10:30:52:
I'm going to be in Philadelphia during that time. Could you tell me
more about the Phildelphia Welcome Line? Does it provide service to
stops that are in areas that are primarily historical or tourist,
etc.?
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In Reply to: [6]Rudy's Idea posted by Nick on November 23, 1997 at
16:40:29:
When it comes to graffiti, the only thing I can say is that there is a
picture of the entrance to the original City Hall station of the
IRT,taken about 2 weeks after the subway opened; and on the the kiosk
is a freshly applied piece of graffiti. This is a problem 93 years
old, only the tools have changed!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: QSC Qm Commuter Buses posted by GarfieldA on
November 25, 1997 at 10:52:56:
I rode the Jewel Ave. Bus twice a month (during rush hours) for many a
years. I was always impressed with the service, with the helpfulness
of the bus drivers (who seemed much more knowledgeable about
directions than the taxi drivers in the same area). Even the people
seem more civilized (well, at least compared to the E train!).
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Lou
from Brooklyn on November 25, 1997 at 11:04:45:
As the saying goes, if not in person, I'll be there in spirit. On e
suggestion, however try doing the "derby" inbetween Xmas & New Years-
maybe a lot of people will on school breaks, etc, and would be able to
show up to actually do this thing! Also do plan on notifying the
various media on this endevour, someone at tv station or paper might
be bored and actually cover this thing!!Good luck folks!!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Oops, I meant the tunnel under *32nd* Street
posted by Andrew Huie on November 25, 1997 at 02:07:13:
I remember living in Queens and taking the 'F' to 34th Street to go to
Ranger games at MSG. (Rode the F vs. E if an F came in first with
newer equipment, such as a slant R40 or sparkling new R44!)
That passageway had a number of small shops, but ended up being a
flophouse with the associated odors du jour. People these days don't
miss it, if they even know it ever existed, so I cannot see a
re-opening in the cards.
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145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on November 21, 1997 at
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That then means, of course, that the 2 consists have to be shipped
back after the PM rush, right? How long has that nonsense been going
on? No spares at 207 that they could use to make service? I mean, the
C/CC/C have been running up Concourse and the B/BB have been Running
to Wash Hts since the IND was founded.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 25, 1997 at 02:56:31:
Re: 1973
There were some sections still open then that aren't now:
Culver Shuttle
Bowling Green to South Ferry
121st St. to 168th St on the J
Archer and 63rd should barely make up for them...
Gerry
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 25, 1997 at 04:51:40:
I can't make the meeting on 11-29 (T'giving plans), but I'm interested
in actually doing the trip.
BTW - I suspect that doing the trip on a weekend would not be the best
idea, too many service diversions and not enough expresses.
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In Reply to: [7]#7 and #5 IRT posted by Grimms on November 25, 1997 at
13:09:25:
This is probably the remnant of the "Bergan Street" cutoff that
connected with the old Third Avenue El at this point. For those who
care, there are many vestigial remains of old El and subway routes
extant on the system today.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Daniel on November 25,
1997 at 13:11:31:
I think the structure in question is the one which allowed trains from
the Second and Third Av. Els in Manhattan to use the 'new' IRT el to
Bronx Park. This section was opened for el trains before the subway
from Lenox Av. was finished. Between there and 129th St. Manhattan was
one of the more complex els with several junctions and a double decked
section. The section continuing north over Third Av. in the Bronx was
known as the 'Suburban Line'.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
Gerry O'Regan on November 25, 1997 at 14:38:35:
Don't forget, not having to stop at Dean St. on the Franklin Shuttle
might save you a minute or 2.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Lou
from Middletown on November 25, 1997 at 13:53:48:
Make sure you send me the schedule -- I'll see that you get coverage
from WCBS Newsradio-88.
Your "transit and weather reporter"...
Todd Glickman
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In Reply to: [7]Route changes from 1973-now for the System Travelers
posted by Charles Fiori on November 25, 1997 at 15:29:08:
Here's something else to consider: With the (relatively recent)
reduction in top speed of the trains, a number of minutes of running
time have been added to most lines. This will add up!
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In Reply to: [6]Poll: Will these projects go through? posted by Nick
on November 24, 1997 at 11:48:04:
I believe projects which are "quick and dirty" could be accomplished
without spending billions. The DeKalb-Rutgers Tunnel connection could
be made using the Manhattan Bridge approach track to cross over to the
SW side of York St. and save half a mile of flyover tunnel. The
Flushing line could be extended using LIRR Port Washington tracks.
Sorry, but there's no quick and dirty solution to 2nd Ave!
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In Reply to: [7]#7 and #5 IRT posted by Grimms on November 25, 1997 at
13:09:25:
I hope with at least some of the funds from the surplus, the MTA will
afford to purchase new or refurbished cars for the line. Face it, the
#7 line is the only line in the Transit system left out.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by
subway-buff on November 25, 1997 at 04:51:40:
I don't know wether or not I can make the meeting on Saturday, but I
am definelty interested in participating in the event. I have another
question, how cooperative is the TA with this? Will they hold a train
in a station to wait a minute for the group, and stuff like that?
JC
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In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Gerry O'Regan on November
25, 1997 at 15:04:50:
In reference to the original posting, those trains have actually been
running for 40 or 50 years. However, you can look foward to the R142
trains in 1999, probably on the #2, "5 and #7. These trains will be
super high tech. Try to catch a ride on one of the 2 R110A trains (on
the #2) or one of the 3 R110B trains on the A line to get an example
of what the R142's will be like. -NICK
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As promised, here are the answers to my quiz.
1) August Belmont owned the Mineola
2) I was thinking of the 1964 Worlds Fair cars which were named for
states.
Others mentuoned the "August Belmont" or the "John B. McDonald"
3) The 3 unit trains were The Zephyr, The Green Hornet and the
Bluebird.
Although it qualified as an experimental train, the R-11s didn't count
because I said no numbered trains.
4) The builders of the R-1s through R-9s were: American Car and
Foundary,
Pressed Steel Car Co. and Pullman-Standard.
5) Astor place was identified by the Beaver plaque.
6) Because the Grand Concourse is so high in spots, the IND line
actually passes above the cross streets in several places. Because of
this, you have
to go down stairs to exit at Kingsbridge Rd. and at 174th St.
7) Rule #29 specifically mentions the following as "Not to be
permitted to be carried aboard trains: Dirth clothing, soiled linens
or bedding: Fish or baskets used to carry fish: Bass drums.
8) Long-Short-Long-Short is a call for Police Assistance
9) An illuminated G on a signal indicate that the signal is a timer
due to a grade.
10) NYCT cars accummulate approximately 25 million revenue miles every
month.
11) John Hylan was fired for attempting to run down his supervisor
with his train. When he became mayor, he had the IND subway planned so
that it would compete directly with the IRT and BMT whereever
possible.
12) John V. Lindsay went head to head with Mike Quill, who of course
referred to the mayor as Mr. Lindsley. Mike Quill also was jailed
during a strike and died in jail. He's remembered also for wishing
that the judge would "Drop Dead in his black robes."
13) Ruth Messenger waged a one woman campaign to get the TA to permit
open strollers on the subways. This was something that the TA fought
for years because of the safety issues.
14) John Lindsay was the first mayr to ride on a SIRT R-44. He rode
the first one from St. George to Tottenville.
15) I didn't really expect anyone to get this one. It's part of an
obscure rule. Rule #24I states Traffic Enforcement Agents (Meter
Maids) may ride omnibusses while in uniform and on duty.
Dave Ross scored 100 of a possible 145 and had the highest score.
The others of the top 5 were:
Mark F scored 80%
Bill J scored 80%
Andrew H Scored 80%
Phil N scored 70&
Well DOne
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by David Pirmann on
November 19, 1997 at 23:40:29:
Thanks for all the great advice Dave! It's too bad you can't join us!
There's a lot of planning that needs to go into this, but it's great
to see so many people who want to do this. I'm sure that we can come
up with something good with all of us working on it. In case you're
wondering about me, my name's Adam as you can tell from above, and I'm
21 years old and a senior at Cornell University. I am going to be back
in town next week for Thanksgiving, from Tuesday through Saturday of
next week, November 25 - 29. Perhaps everybody who is interested in
doing this can meet somewhere in NY during this time, or if this is
not a feasable time period in which to meet, we can schedule sometime
around the middle of December when more people might either be on
vacation or out of school. As Dave mentioned, I'm going to try to
contact the people at Guiness to see what needs to be done to
accomplish something like this. I'll also write to the MTA to see what
they have to offer in way of maps, schedules, or information on past
attempts. I'm really excited about this and hope we can all get it
organized!
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by David Pirmann on
November 19, 1997 at 23:40:29:
I wish I can be part of this, but being in Texas no chance. I will be
there in spirit. Dave had great ideas, but mentioning the station
rule, this may be a problem with the existing record. The system has
new stations (63rd street line from Manhattan to Queens). Was this in
the original record breaking run. All fairness would be to find out
what stations were not in the record, so you have an even playing
field.
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In Reply to: [7]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
To fellow subway enthusiasts,
I believe that many (but perhaps not all) of the routes described in
this excellent posting are shown in one of the maps available in the
new book "Twelve Historical New York City Street and Transit Maps".
One of the maps included in this book is a "wish list" map put out by
the City's engineers. It shows the plans for expanding the system
during the 1920's. Each map comes in its own protective little folder
and I think that, at around $30.00, it's worth it. I got my copy at
Barnes and Noble. Its a spiral-bound book that's cellophane wrapped.
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R & G train collided just a few minutes ago...FDNY reports 72
injuries...
more to follow...
-Hank
Signal 10-60...FDNY Special Op non-fire emergency response...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: How about restoring N express service? posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on November 17, 1997 at 16:07:33:
Wasn't that before the Chrystie Street connection?
Foti
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In Reply to: [6]Subway Collision posted by Hank Eisenstein on November
20, 1997 at 09:06:29:
UPI (via Bloomberg) says it was at Steinway. Initial reports say the
collision took place right in the station, but it may have occurred in
the tunnel.
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In Reply to: [7]R68 become Coupled Semi-Permanent?? posted by Lou from
Brooklyn on November 17, 1997 at 11:07:48:
What are their (R-68's) roster numbers?
Foti.
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In Reply to: [7]Subway Collision posted by Hank Eisenstein on November
20, 1997 at 09:06:29:
FDNY Queens Dispather reports 132 injuries reported @Stienway st and
B'way on Queens Blvd Line, 0841 N train RE'd a G train...FDNY called a
second alarm for First Responder (CPR/EMT/Paramedic units).....More
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-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway Collision posted by Charles Fiori on
November 20, 1997 at 09:26:05:
At this time details are still sketchy on how the collision occurred.
Now with another collision occurring and depending on the cause, will
other drastic changes take place by the Transit Authority like the end
result from the Williamsburg bridge collision.
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In Reply to: [6]Subway Collision posted by Hank Eisenstein on November
20, 1997 at 09:06:29:
UPI now saying that the NYFD says between 75 & 100 were hurt in the
crash. Thankfully, no injuries are reported to be serious. An R train
rear-ended a G, which was partially in the station. Nowhere does it
say which direction trains were going. Accident time reported at
either 8:41 or 8:46am.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway Collision posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 20, 1997 at 09:32:09:
Jamacia bound, current official FDNY injury count is 77..According to
TA, Express service (which is in a separate tunnel here) is running,
according to all news reports, no service either direction. Official
time of incident is 0841...FDNY recieved alarm at 0844.....
Updating.....
-Hank
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David Pirmann on November 15, 1997 at 12:34:38:
Will Check .....
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Tim Speer on November
18, 1997 at 13:08:03:
Might as well!
K= broadway
K= 6th and 21 Queensbridge
K= 2o7th to Rockaway
etc etc and on and on.
Foti
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In Reply to: [6]Re: How about restoring N express service? posted by
foti on November 20, 1997 at 09:12:17:
Yes, that was why the Chrystie St. Connection was built, there were
just too many trains required on those poor old tracks under Broadway,
and two tracks on the Manhattan Bridge were being wasted with the
northern half of the Nassau Loop. But by moving most of the lines to
6th Avenue, the Broadway Subway became the underutilized one. Oh,
well...
Nowadays, the half of Manhattan Bridge that they wanted to reclaim is
not used "temporarily" and there are fewer trains running through
DeKalb Avenue than there were before the 1967 changeover. Though back
then all the trains were 8 60' cars; now they are either 10 60' cars
or 8 75' cars.
Speaking of which: Anybody else remember the two years they had
Skip-stop service on the Brighton line, while they were turning all
the stations into 10-car-length platforms. Because blasting had to be
done at Newkirk Avenue, only the two inner (express)tracks could be
used. So overnight one Saturday, they connected the local tracks to
the express track pieces at Newkirk Avenue, then ran A-B service for 2
years: Parkside Avenue and Ave J were the A (Brighton Express only)
stations. Beverly Rd., Cortelyou Rd., Ave H, and Ave M were the B
(Brighton Local only) stations. Because there is a switch track at
Kings Highway, normal 4-track service was run south of there. Then
overnight on a Saturday, they reconnected all the tracks and life was
back to normal again. This was around 1964-66 I think.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Stations (Chicago version) posted by Ed Sachs on
November 17, 1997 at 10:29:35:
The Canal station on the Garfield Park "L" had direct stariway access
to the south platforms of Union Station. This went out of service in
June 1958, when Garfield Park was replaced by the Congress St.
subway/median strip operation (now the Blue Line). The present Clinton
St. Blue Line station is a two-block hike from the nearest entrance to
Union Station, and another block and a half through the building to
the train gates.
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In Reply to: [7]Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Russ on November
19, 1997 at 15:30:58:
How accurate can it be if they're using H-1 cars and filming the movie
in the Toronto subway system?
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In Reply to: [7]B'way vs. 6th Avenue + Brighton Skip-stop (Historical)
posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 20, 1997 at 10:18:00:
If I am remembering correctly, it lasted less than one year. Started
in
Jan. 1964, and was done by November of the same year. I do
remember quite clearly that the "skip-stop" service was in effect
while
the Brighton Express was being converted from the old Triplexes to
R32s.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Stations (Chicago version) posted by Alan Follett
on November 20, 1997 at 10:53:06:
The passageway that formerly connected to the no-longer existing
L station has been rebuilt to serve a parking garage on that site.
Ed
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Stations (Chicago version) posted by Charles Fiori
on November 19, 1997 at 17:22:36:
The station formerly known as "North Western Station" had another
name change on Oct. 15, 1997. It is now the "Richard B. Ogilvie
Transportation Center". Richard B. Ogilvie was the governor of
Illinois
in the 1970s who oversaw the formation of the Regional Transportation
Authority (RTA, parent agency of Metra).
The station, while universally referred to as "North Western Station",
was always officially called "Chicago Passenger Terminal" by C&NW.
After UP bought out C&NW about 2 years ago, Metra changed the
name to "Metra Passenger Terminal" (which was terribly confusing, as
Metra trains also use 3 other terminals in downtown Chicago.
If you're looking for the station, however, look for the "Citicorp
Center"
(the office tower located where the headhouse used to be, entrance to
station in the second floor of the building). And don't get confused
by
the back entrance to Union Station across the street!
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Adam on November
20, 1997 at 01:26:44:
This sounds very exciting...I hope to be apart of it! Let's see if we
can get the media to cover it too. Also, to Dave P.-how do I convince
my parents that this is real and I'm not meeting some "freaks". Again,
I believe you...but my parents aren't convinced.-NICK
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In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by Gary
Jacobi on November 19, 1997 at 18:13:55:
I've hit another roadblock to drawing a Downtown Manhattan Map from
the route descriptions. Worth St. is four blocks North of Chambers
St., and the local track stub platforms now called WTC are actually
South of Chambers St. proper. It would seem that the route to East
Broadway was intended to split off before reaching the above mentioned
platform. Possibly the original construction had a blind stub, as at
2nd Ave and Houston st, and the platform was added only after it
became clear that the second system was not going to be built, which
would still put construction of it in the thirties. Can Dave or Bobby
help me out as to where the proposed hook up to Worth st. was
indicated?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Nick on November
20, 1997 at 11:20:24:
> how do I convince my parents that this is real and I'm not meeting
> some "freaks"
Whos to say you won't meet any freaks? ;-)
Anyway, perhaps the first planning sessions should be done online, and
once some tentative schedule is drawn up on paper, it will get sent
around to everyone via mail. Included would be a list of the names and
addresses of all the other interested parties. You could leave that
with your parents -- having the addresses of the others involved would
probably assuage (sp?) their fears, plus if it's on paper it takes
away part of that "online" stigma.
hth,
Dave
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In Reply to: [7]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by Gary
Jacobi on November 20, 1997 at 11:41:04:
Just south of Canal. It's possible the existing terminal was an
afterthought and the flyover(under) was meant to handle the Worth St.
line, but it seems likely to me that the Chambers-WTC (well,
Chambers-Hudson Terminal) was always intended to be a local station.
After all it directly connected to the Hudson Terminal station.
Speaking of Hudson Terminal, that's one place I'd really enjoy getting
into, if it still exists. :-)
-Dave
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In Reply to: [7]Subway Collision posted by Hank Eisenstein on November
20, 1997 at 09:06:29:
WCBS newsradio88 has a short blurb on their web site.
[8]Here it is.
--Mark
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by DON L on November
20, 1997 at 05:45:36:
Just after the Archer Ave extension opened, three people rode the
entire system through all 468 statons to establish a "new" record that
included the new construction. I *may* still have the Daily News
article at home.
I think I'm gonna try to join this, too. This would be an interesting
thing to videotape, through I don't have 24 hours of batteries :).
I'll let you all know.
--Mark
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Nick on November
20, 1997 at 11:20:24:
As a 43 year old Bostonian, who can do the local system in about 5
hours (but not on a single fare), the New York trip has always
fascinated me. I am very interested in how you do. One thought, In the
book "Under the Sidewalks of New York" there is a piece on such an
attempt. Part of that person's route was the Rockaway Round Robin
during the wee hours. Since that operation now requires rides on two
shuttles plus slower trains, the possibilities of a quick visit to
that area (lots of track-miles) are significantly reduced.
Good Luck
Gerry
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In Reply to: [7]Re: IRT #7 line: Steinway question posted by Steve on
November 18, 1997 at 23:56:42:
One other point here, and that is the connection to the 2nd Av. el. I
would expect that at that time, the line would have been signalled as
an IRT line, since there was no operational connection to the BMT.
(60th St. trains went back to Manhattan after reversing on a pocket
track, while BMT el cars were restricted to east of QBP only.) The
changeover would have been logical after the closing of the 2nd Av. el
in 1942, when 60th St. became the only connection to the rest of the
system.
Gerry
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by David Pirmann on
November 19, 1997 at 23:40:29:
Regarding the optimal starting point, I can recall reading somewhere
that the Atantic/Pacific station complex in Brooklyn is best.
Unfortunately, I can't remember where I read that (it was quite some
time ago).
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In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by David
Pirmann on November 20, 1997 at 12:01:54:
Should've copyrighted my use of 'flyunder' as it appeared in my
earlier post on this topic. (Just kidding, Dave. :-) ) Basically at
the bottom of the flyunder, north of WTC, if one is on a train where
looking out the front window is still feasible, one can see the
remnants of a roadbed going off to the right, I believe. Doesn't look
like it goes real far, but the imagination can wander...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Dave on
November 20, 1997 at 10:58:55:
Good point... I think that there are certain spots where they can film
and they will not interrupt train service... You could use some of the
stations on lines that do not experience a lot of service (e.g. north
of 57th Sreet on the B & Q, the Brooklyn Bridge station and sections
north on the J, M, & Z, etc.) The only drawback on New York: It costs
too much money to film here, and there is too much paperwork to deal
with to get permission...
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In Reply to: [7]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
Bobby:
Wow! I commend you on your work... I am a college student at Pace, and
a HUGE fan of Subway history and information, though I am not in the
same category of intelligence like the pros on this site (e.g. Charles
Fiori, Gary Jacobi, David Pirmann, etc.). I have a rather large street
map of the New York City area... I will begin plotting tonight... Any
info on location of the stations?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by David Pirmann on
November 20, 1997 at 11:58:53:
im interested in this thingy too. coutn me in?
it would be crazy cool if lotsa people from here like went to do it!
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In Reply to: [6]NYCT Quiz Answers posted by Steve on November 20, 1997
at 00:36:06:
No need to misquote Mike Quill, he said plenty of outrageous things on
his own. What Mike said was that the judge COULD drop dead in his
black robes. That not quite the same as wishing that he WOULD drop
dead!
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In Reply to: [7]Re: New Years Eve 1999 posted by Ted on November 19,
1997 at 17:16:40:
I have heard that about 1.5 - 2 million people are going to try to
cram into Times Square from 42 Street to 46 Street... Possibly even
more... But, can THAT MANY people fit in there?
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In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by David
Pirmann on November 20, 1997 at 12:01:54:
I can help you on that question, Dave. I watched them tear down the
old Hudson Terminal Building in Summer, 1962. They maintained the
terminal platforms, somehow, in the middle of the huge excavation
while the basements of the Trade Center Towers were constructed around
their operation. I went back to college before seeing if the
replacement platforms were new, or rehabs in place of the original
ones.
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I was wondering what speeds the CTA Trains travel at.
Bill Vandervoot ( Sorry if I spelled his name wrong) has a CTA fan
page that says that the EL's still do 55 mph as a top speed. He said
that they do 55 between all stations when the track is clear, except
the Loop which the top speed is 35 MPH.
Is it just the MTA NYCTA that has slowed down train speeds to 45 or
has the CTA done that recently also?
It seems like your going pretty fast on the Forest Park line between
stations and the Ravesnwood to. The Evanston Express is suppost to
also travel at the top speed for the "Express portion" but the problem
is that it only runs during rush hours and there always is delays.
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THE SUBWAY COLLISON ON THE G AND R ON STEINWAY ST,QUEENS WAS CAUSED BY
ONE TRAIN GOING BACVKWARDS(THE R)AND THE G LINE(GOING THE RIGHT
DIRECTION).THE TRAIN STOPING THING DIDN'T WORK.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Daniel on
November 20, 1997 at 16:07:57:
How accurate would it be if they filmed on the BMT/IND? Pelham is
obviously an IRT line...you'd neeed to film it on the IRT for
accuracy.
The TA instituted a policy after 'Money Train' about not allowing
filming in the subway that presents NYCT in a negative light...
-Hank
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Ever since the Dean Street station was shut down, I have been
anticipating that the MTA will shut down the Franklin Avenue shuttle
and convert it into a bus route (e.g. like the Bx 55 that replaced the
#8 Third Avenue El in the Bronx)... Will it happen? Has there been
talks about it?
Also, when did service on the J line stop operating to 168th Street
and cut back to 121st Street before they opened the Archer Avenue
extension?
If the LIRR decides to shut down the stations between LIC and Jamaica
(e.g. Fresh Pond, Glendale, etc.), do you think they will replace
service with possible bus routes... Would the MTA be interested in
operating an express train service from Jamaica to LIC and possibly
Manhattan over the same tracks?
Just some thoughts to throw out there... Ever since Bobby brought
forth info about the Second Avenue line, I have been thinking about
some changes that may occur within the system...
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 20, 1997 at 17:25:18:
Are you saying that the rule prohibiting castind NYCTA in a negative
light therefore prohibits realism? If so, I think you have a good
point.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Slow Subways posted by John on November 15, 1997
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How fast did they used to go?? (Top approx. speed)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by Gary
Jacobi on November 20, 1997 at 16:50:53:
The new platforms are definitely not renovations of the old ones. I
have a diagram showing the layout of the two stations superimposed on
each other, in some ERA publication. Joe Brennan's guide says the
platform area is "a loading area for trucks" but I can't see where
this could possibly be. A diagram I have of Hudson Terminal shows the
tracks almost up against the curbline at Church St. The area on the
surface is now a small parking lot. Relative to Church St., the PATH
tracks are quite a bit further back -- I'd guess no further east than
Greenwich St.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Old Metro-North Cars? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on November 18, 1997 at 12:24:19:
I want to clarify one point. the NH line cars have the pantograph
(Overhead line) * a n d * a thrid rail shoe. They start out on 3rd
rail like the other Metro North lines but north of NYC the 3rd rail
ends and they switch over (on the fly) to the over heaf power, I rode
this line to Rye and was looking out the side window when I heard the
power die and saw overhead lines ahead, the train did not slow, and
then the power kicked back in using the overhead.
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In Reply to: [6]A Slower CTA posted by BJ on November 20, 1997 at
16:54:59:
I do not know what the train speed is but service is sure slower since
they eliminated the A B stop schedule. Howrd to the loop is now 45 to
50 Min or so it seems. On the red line it looks like they are trying
to compensate for the delays some by having the Evanston Express make
more stops. It slows the Express some but improves service during rush
hour.
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I do not know what the train speed is but service is sure slower since
they eliminated the A B stop schedule. Howrd to the loop is now 45 to
50 Min or so it seems. On the red line it looks like they are trying
to compensate for the delays some by having the Evanston Express make
more stops. It slows the Express some but improves service during rush
hour.
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In Reply to: [7]Franklin Avenue Shuttle (and other thoughts)... posted
by Daniel Valles on November 20, 1997 at 17:41:14:
In 1995 ion the service cutbacks, ther TA tried to close the Franklin
during the midnight hours but the neighborhood fussed and fumed so
much that the TA had to abandon this plan and had to promise to
renovate the line into a modern line. The Official TA web page, and
DejajNews NYC.Transit discuss the plans for the shuttle including a
passageway free transfer to connect the FS to the 2/3/4/5 IRT at
Franklin Ave/E Parkway and tjhe shuttle Botanic Garden Shuttle stop.
At Franklin on shuttle, they are going to build a combined ADA
compliant entrance with escalators and elevators to all platforms of
the A/C and Shuttle to replace the faux metrocard transfer.
They already did track repair on the shuttle.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: New Years Eve 1999 posted by Danny on November 20,
1997 at 16:50:01:
It seems like there is going to be considerable lines protruding out
the entrances of the station. How else are they going to do it?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Lefty on November
20, 1997 at 16:33:42:
One summer while in college, ten of us tried it (uh, Todd, Tom, Larry,
John, John, John, John, Steve, Jay, and Ron - Hey! I remembered them
all!) Anyway, Dave is correct. We ran very short of food and drink,
and even though the toilet situation was better then (the mid 70's),
that was a toughie. But what got us was a wildcat subway workers'
walkout, at midnight, just as we were heading to the Bronx. We
abandoned ship, and returned to my parents' house on Long Island.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: New Years Eve 1999 posted by Bootsy on November
20, 1997 at 20:25:50:
I can't remember if they do it on the subway or not, but most of the
commuter rail systems offer free rides home on New Years's night. So
the subway might do the same at the stations in Times Square to avoid
crowds at the turnstiles.
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In Reply to: [7]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
This post is now available at:
[8]http://www.nycsubway.org/secondav/indsecond.html
-Dave
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Hudson Terminal (was IND Second System...) posted
by David Pirmann on November 20, 1997 at 19:32:01:
Actually, Dave, if you take PATH leaving the Trade Center, you can see
what I believe are leftovers of the old Hudson Terminal platforms. Or
does anyone have any info about them being something else?
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In Reply to: [7]NYCT Quiz Answers posted by Steve on November 20, 1997
at 00:36:06:
Hmmm... I'll agree with the R-11 decision, BUT, you also exit both the
34th street stations by going downstairs too. Yeah, I KNOW you can
exit them by going up to the street, but I think the bulk of the
people out the go down, and into Penn station...
Hey, at least I'm not trying to argue my method of solving a problem
on my last Physics test (I'm getting partial credit for showing a
though process - just like the profesor said we'd get. The process??
Einy miny minny moe...)
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In Reply to: [7]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
does anyone have clear track drawings,of the proposals,,,thank you
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCT Quiz Answers posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 20, 1997 at 16:39:14:
Okay, perhaps he used the word "could" but in the context he said it,
he meant "Should".
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCT Quiz Answers posted by Philip Nasadowski on
November 20, 1997 at 23:20:49:
As they say in the contest disclaimers, "Judges decision is final."
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In Reply to: [7]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by David
Pirmann on November 20, 1997 at 22:03:44:
can anyone assist me ,in locating a copy of this book.I have no access
to this book.,from where I live ,now ,thank you ...steve
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Slow Subways posted by Nathan on November 20, 1997
at 19:09:37:
On level, tangent track, an R-46 could operate in excess of 55 MPH
prior to the modification. R-62s with the identical propulsion
packages and same HP rating could exceed that.
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In Reply to: [7]Subway Collision posted by Hank Eisenstein on November
20, 1997 at 09:06:29:
Having reached the scene shortly after the initial reports, I was
impressed by the response of the various city agencies. Police, fire,
EMS and transit all responded within 4 minutes. Due to the prompt, and
highly professional response, there was no panic and serious injuries
were kept to a minimum. There was suprisingly little damage to the
equipment, largly due to the low speed involved and also to the fact
that the G train added (coupled) to the R train on impact.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Hudson Terminal (was IND Second System...) posted
by Mike K on November 20, 1997 at 23:16:33:
No, that area that you see from the train are definitely not old
platforms for Hudson Terminal. H.T. was much further east. I'm not
sure what that space actually is, though.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: IND Second System Track Maps posted by Chris on
November 20, 1997 at 23:33:29:
Unlikely. we don't even have a clear diagram of the proposed routes!!
Sheesh.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Subway Man on
November 18, 1997 at 16:34:32:
I agree. I will stick with tokens for as long as I can. I see lots of
people have a Metrocard fail and then either get flattened by the
crowd or
have to push their way backwards and try a second and a third
turnstile
before getting through. Besides that, if I have a client or friend
visiting for a few days, I can just give them a handful of my tokens.
The only drawback I see is that you have to watch really carefully
when the
attendant counts the tokens, the count is often wrong in my
experience, and
it has always been wrong in the MTA's favor.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: R68 become Coupled Semi-Permanent?? posted by foti
on November 20, 1997 at 09:27:44:
The fleet numbers are:
R-68 2500-2924
R-68A 5001-5200
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Todd Glickman on
November 20, 1997 at 20:46:38:
I've read about the woman who did it in the 70's in the "Uptown
Downtown". I've always wanted to do this. I have stopped at every stop
in the system many times over but it would be fun to do it without
leaving the system.
Count me in!
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In Reply to: [7]NYCT Quiz Answers posted by Steve on November 20, 1997
at 00:36:06:
I liked your quiz, especially the item about the fish barrels :-) One
thing, however, is that I believe the story about Mayor Hylan is more
in the realm of an urban legend ...
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 20, 1997 at 17:25:18:
Filiming in outside NYC and the TA will lift the film from the TA
oversight like not showing the real controls of a subway car or
removing support poles (for the AC on the redbirds) so the camera can
have a better angle.
Just some more ideas why the filming is up north
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In Reply to: [7]NH Line Cars ( was Re: Old Metro-North Cars? ) posted
by subway-buff on November 20, 1997 at 19:54:10:
Yes, this is certainly true. Also, the "shoes" were replaced about 2
years ago...after the commuter hell during the blizzard of '96.-NICK
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Lou from
Brooklyn on November 21, 1997 at 14:27:26:
Couldn't the movie company (whichever one it is) purchase or rent a
few retired subway cars from New York, at least, to make it seem
somewhat real? Which NYC subway cars do the H-1s resemble the most?
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Hudson Terminal (was IND Second System...) posted
by David Pirmann on November 21, 1997 at 08:27:21:
When did trains start being diverted to the World Trade Center
platform and the Hudson Terminal platform closed off? I assume it was
about the same time that the World Trade Center opened. Is the
Chambers Street platform the original? What is the condition and
status of the Hudson Terminal station? (Is there any access to it at
all? Has it been left untouched? If so, are the station lights still
on? Where are the old entrances located?)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Hudson Terminal (was IND Second System...) posted
by David Pirmann on November 21, 1997 at 08:27:21:
I thought they were the old tunnels going to Hudson Terminal. It
looked to me like they built a partial wall so that it formed a
continuation of the side walkway. Best seen from the last car of a
departing PATH train.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: New Years Eve 1999 posted by David Pirmann on
November 20, 1997 at 22:00:19:
If the Manhattan Bridge moves into its next pase of construction next
year (switch sides), you might have all the trains (3 expresses, two
locals) running through Times Sq. at that time. But the whole
Manhattan Bridge forecast is very fuzzy now, and I also hear the
switch will be well after the turn of the millenium.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by David
Pirmann on November 20, 1997 at 12:01:54:
From what I heard, the existing WTC terminal (local tracks A1&2) were
supposed to go through an additional river tunnel, and join the A1&2
tracks at Court St.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by Eric B on
November 22, 1997 at 13:56:58:
That is what I had always heard as well, but apparently, as the
additional tunnel was to be reached via Worth St. (Per Bobby's
new-found NY Times article) it would have to have left Church St. just
south of Canal, as Dave replied. It does do that, and runs down the
East side of Church to the WTC platforms. Being totally East of the A
express tracks, a turn off to the left would have been easy have
suggested that this arrangement is actually in place, and can be seen
from the front window on the local before entering the last stop.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Bootsy on
November 21, 1997 at 21:56:07:
I'll be posting some photos of the done up H-1 cars as NYCTA cars.
From a distance they actually look the part.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by Daniel on
November 20, 1997 at 16:33:30:
I am still blushing at the high compliment of your lumping me with
Dave and Charles. One good turn deserves another. Here are a few
clarifications on the 1929 Times listed routes. In Williamsburg, east
of S.4th and Union, the line would run parallel to Broadway (no
street) to Beaver, which is a short block extending NW in line with
Bushwick Ave as Bushwick turns North. The 120th Ave line is tough to
figure because 120th was not built south and west of Rockaway Blvd,
and Foch Blvd ends at the gate of the St. Albans naval hospital, well
short of Springfield Blvd. Acqueduct Race Track has been there for
over a hundred years, so my guess is the route would have left the
Rockaway Line NNorth of the racetrack, ran down te Blvd to 120th Ave,
ducked up to Foch to get around Baisley Pond, and then returned to
120th out to Springfield Blvd in Springfield Gardens (216th St). Happy
mapping!
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November 20, 1997 at 16:33:30:
I am still blushing at the high compliment of your lumping me with
Dave and Charles. One good turn deserves another. Here are a few
clarifications on the 1929 Times listed routes. In Williamsburg, east
of S.4th and Union, the line would run parallel to Broadway (no
street) to Beaver, which is a short block extending NW in line with
Bushwick Ave as Bushwick turns North. The 120th Ave line is tough to
figure because 120th was not built south and west of Rockaway Blvd,
and Foch Blvd ends at the gate of the St. Albans naval hospital, well
short of Springfield Blvd. Aqueduct Race Track has been there for over
a hundred years, so my guess is the route would have left the Rockaway
Line North of the racetrack, ran down te Blvd to 120th Ave, ducked up
to Foch to get around Baisley Pond, and then returned to 120th out to
Springfield Blvd in Springfield Gardens (216th St). Happy mapping!
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Peter Rosa on
November 20, 1997 at 14:03:56:
First- add me to the list. Enough people know me on this site that I'd
feel safe in the presence of this group.This is something I'ver always
wanted to do and never felt safe enought to do.
second- In His Uptown, Downtown Book Stan Fischler related stories of
subway derbies. He mentioned a group of boy scouts used a computer and
started at Atlantic?Pacific and missed the record- by quite a piece.
One thing to consider is all the overnight construction that knocks
out sections of train lines and the lines that do not run overnight.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: IND Second System Twelve Historical maps book
posted by steve on November 20, 1997 at 23:38:09:
Seashore's Museum Store carries the referenced item. Todd Glickman
might be able to get it for you since he commutes both to STM and NYC.
Gerry
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCT Quiz Answers posted by Peter Rosa on November
21, 1997 at 12:20:41:
Thanks. The story about Mayor Hylan my have gotten exaggerated over
the decades but at least his hatred for the BMT & IRT are fact. Being
an IND person, I'm thankful.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Gary Jacobi
on November 20, 1997 at 17:42:07:
Why even bother redoing the movie? The first one was a classic; there
is no need for another one shot in Toronto.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by Gary
Jacobi on November 22, 1997 at 17:42:00:
The long post was great. I always heard about bits and parts of the
second system, and the various shell stations, but never knew how they
fit together until now. What I didn't see mentioned was the connection
from the G Bedford Av. station to, I believe, the Rockaway connection.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle (and other thoughts)...
posted by subway-buff` on November 20, 1997 at 20:21:42:
Yesterday I went on the tour of the Rockaway line with the Musuem. All
over the A line are posters announcing the renovation of the Franklin
SHuttle. The poster says excavation has already begun at Franklin,
Oark Pllace and Botanic Gardens. The train will run through 1998 after
which it will be replaced with bus for 18 months. Further details are
in a brochure which I could not obtain since I never left the system
and WTC had none. Some street closings are anticipated for this
project..
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by James
Tesoriero on November 22, 1997 at 19:36:29:
Why indeed? The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3 is a classic along with some of
the dialog it contained. I can think of a few 'stylish' remakes of
original classics like "D.O.A." and "King Kong" where they were
passible and stood on their own but had none of the class of the
originals. Sadly, I don't think we're going to get another classic
here but what we should hope for is a film that because of it's own
qualities, stands on it's own.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Russ on
November 22, 1997 at 16:29:30:
Where will we be able to find these photos?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle -update posted by
subway-buff on November 23, 1997 at 06:47:05:
Well, it's great that the MTA finally pays attention to lines that
have been falling apart for years... But, there's still ways to go...
For example, I feel that in addition to the Franlin Ave. shuttle, the
MTA has stations that I consider forgotten... Here's a few I could
think of:
-- From Marcy Avenue to Broadway/East NY on the J,Z and to Fresh Pond
Road on the M (Metroploitan Ave. looks nice)...
-- All the stations out on the Rockaway Peninsula...
-- From Bronx Park to Dyre Avenue on the 5
And, of course, there are numerous stations on Metro-North and LIRR
that need some renovation... With the $120 million that they have
"saved" over the years, what will they do with that money?
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 20, 1997 at 17:25:18:
I know that Pelham 123 was an IRT #6 train, but where would you be
able to film using the IRT tracks? The 1,2,3 lines are heavily used,
and don't even consider the 4,5,6... Those trains experience arguably
the worst congestion in the city...
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on November 23, 1997 at 17:34:23:
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle -update posted by Daniel
on November 23, 1997 at 17:34:23:
Marcy- Rebuilt. Note flourescent lights and current style roof.
Other stations: New soidum lights being installed in all stations
except Myrtle and E Parkway. Myrtle is being renovated to current
standards which will mean new lights. The entire E Parkway complex
(J,L,A/C)is scheduled to be renovated and will include new lights..
2/5 from Jackson to W Farms- New sodium lights in place and working.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway Collision posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 20, 1997 at 09:32:09:
Excuse me? The 0841 N train? What was it doing at Steinway?
(Okay, I know, it was an R. If it were an N we'd have more to complain
about.)
David
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle -update posted by
subway-buff on November 23, 1997 at 06:47:05:
_I got the pamphlet today at
the 7th Avenue station on the D line in Brooklyn. Here's everything
that
it says._
_-David-_
_What is the Franklin Avenue Shuttle Reconstruction
Project?_
Its a total $74 million, rehabilitation of the entire Franklin
Ave Shuttle Line.
Tracks and signals will be replaced. Stations will be completely
renovated and modernized with new lights, floors, wall finishes and
artwork.
Public address systems will be upgraded, closed-circuit TV and new
signs
installed.
_How long will it take?_
The entire project will take approximately two-and-a-half years.
Excavation and reconstruction have already begun at Park Place,
Franklin
Ave and Botanic Garden stations.
_Will the shuttle stop running?_
In late 1998, train service will be suspended for 18 months so
we can complete the project more quickly. Free shuttle bus service
will
replace train service. There will be no change in Franklin Ave Shuttle
service until that time.
_Heres what were doing to rehabilitate your stations:_
_Franklin Ave station_
*
Installing new lights, floor, wall finishes and artwork.
*
Installing new signs and an improved public address system.
*
Building a combined entrance for the shuttle and _A
C_ trains, with an elevator to the shuttle level. An enclosed
bridge will provide free transfers between the Shuttle and
Manhattan-bound
_A C_ trains.
*
Installing closed-circuit TV on the new bridge between the shuttle
and
_A C_ platforms.
*
Constructing elevators to provide access to all platforms for
customers
with disabilities.
_Park Place station_
*
Constructing a new station house between Park Ave and Prospect
Park Place
with a new entrance ramp on Prospect Park Place to make the
station accessible
to customers with disabilties.
*
Installing new lights, floor, wall finishes and artwork.
*
Installing new signs and an improved public address system.
*
Installing a new platform.
_Botanic Garden station_
*
Installing new lights, floor, wall finishes and artwork.
*
Installing new signs and an improved public address system.
*
Building a passageway for free transfer between the shuttle and _2
3_ _4_ trains at the Franklin
Ave station.
*
Installing closed-circuit TV monitors in the passageway for your
safety.
_Propect Park station_
*
This renovation has been completed and includes the following
improvements:
*
A new entrance plaza on Flatbush Ave.
*
New entrances on Lincoln Rd and Empire Blvd.
*
New lights, tiles, platform canopies and artwork.
_Your safety is out top priority._
While work is underway, sidewalks and streets will be closed off and
heavy equipment will be in the area. We are doing everything possible
to
ensure your safety and urge you to follow all safety signs and walk
only
in designated areas.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle -update posted by
subway-buff on November 23, 1997 at 06:47:05:
So if the MTA feels that the Franklin Avenue "S"huttle can be replaced
for 18 months by a bus, why are they bothering to re-build in the
first place?
I could even see doing it as a light rail--or even better as a
dedicated
"Busway" that feeder routes could link into, but renovating such a
short, seemingly redundant line to fully heavy rail standards seems
somewhat of a waste.
Of course I don't live in the area, so I can't pass too severe a
judgement. Anyone else?
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by Steve on
November 23, 1997 at 10:40:52:
Has anybody noticed that Hollywwod is so berift of original ideas that
all they are doing is remaking classic films of 20 - 30 - 40 years
ago. We are all being "stupid" by seeing/buying these remakes that
they will keep on doing it. (Just my soapbox. I know it's not really
subway/transit oriented, but I could not resist.)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Taking of Pelham 123 Again! posted by James
Tesoriero on November 22, 1997 at 19:36:29:
I agree. Some things should be left alone. But remember Hollywood has
gone big time corporate. Anyone who endured watching the "money train"
fly off the tracks in a screeching, sparking, careening frenzy because
the motors were set to reverse... well, why even think about it.
Let's face it. Movies about subways aren't made for people who like
subways.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle -upgrade--why? posted by
Neil on November 23, 1997 at 23:16:38:
Back in 1995 during the cutbacks, they tried to close this line during
the midnight hours and replace it with a shuttle bus. There was such a
hue and cry from the neighborhood residents and the state listened to
them and "forced" the NYCT to promise to rebuild the shuttle. I do
ride the shuttle at various times and it is usually quite full (2 R68
type cars). Today, the line was crawling with NYCT workmen at every
station and it was running 1 train on 1 track due to bridge work,
overpass work, etc Even the one track (Northbound track) was crawling
with workmen. The scene at Franklin a "war zone" the passageway over
Fulton is gone and a temporarye ntrance is built where the unused
Northbound paltform is to the Outbound A/C entrance.There is also
barricades on the street and both platforms at Fulton underground
station which is also being renovated as part fo this project.
IF the TA ever tries to close the shuttle for good I can see the fight
that they would have. Forget closing this line. It is not Politically
correct and the NIMBYs would gripe about the bus.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B'way vs. 6th Avenue + Brighton Skip-stop
(Historical) posted by Ed Sachs on November 20, 1997 at 11:05:42:
And was done again in the 80's during Brighton Line reconstruction...I
will exercise more care when I tell someone to take'any of my subway
maps' by GIVING them a modern one...lost my only copy of Brighton
skip-stop that way (SOB!)
-Hank
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In Reply to: [5]Re: Dekalb Ave. posted by John on October 26, 1997 at
11:32:21:
There are six tracks at Dekalb Ave. Four Tracks serve the Dekalb
Avenue Station, while two tracks are "express" tracks that bypass the
Dekalb Avenue Station. For more information, here is a track map of
the station
[6]Detail of Jay St./DeKalb Av. area
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos on NYC Subway Resources Home Page posted by
Gerry O'Regan on November 02, 1997 at 15:36:35:
That picture is of the yard lead from the East New York yard which
connects to the westbound "J" line. It was taken from the "L" line
platform looking west.
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Does anyone know what's the deal with the NYCTA Subway Museum Gift
Shop being online?
I've been checking periodically, only to read it will be available "in
a short while." It must be _at least_ two months! Is there any
timeframe available as to when will it be finally available, or is it
that they don't have the resources (staff and money) to piece it
together?
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In Reply to: [6]Chicago L Structures posted by Ed Sachs on October 16,
1997 at 09:39:36:
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In view of the recent postings about the 'LACK' of information about
delays on the subways, let me pass on an incident which occurred
Friday morning. I was at the northbound Prospect Park Station (D/Q
Lines) this morning. The 8:16 Q train was in the station and the 8:03
D (the train I was waiting for) was behind it when word came for all
trains to "Stop and Stay" due to a Sick Customer on a Q train at
Atlantic Avenue. Within 2 minutes, the station PA was notifying
customers on the train and on the platform of the delay and the cause.
The Conductor and Train Operator also kept the customers updated via
the PA on the train as info was passed down by radio. The delay lasted
seven (7) minutes and ended when the sick customer refused medical
attention and walked off the train. The point is, things are
improving....... Slowly
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In Reply to: [5]Customer Information posted by Steve on November 08,
1997 at 00:24:09:
I can agree and relate on that. I use the Grand Ave Newtown Station on
the G,R lines. They recently installed a PA system along with the LCD
Displays. When there were delays in Brooklyn-Bound G service a week or
two ago, they announced it on the PA system and asked that we use the
R for local service along the Queens Blvd line. So instead of waiting
and not knowing that the G train won't come, I can find an alternate
route to get to school rather than be late.
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Does anyone remember the Culture Bus Loops the TA used to run? Did
anyone ever ride along those routes? I was browsing through the old
'Seeing New York' guide from the 70's (which is now a bunch of pages
held together by a few molecules of glue) and I read the part about
the Culture Bus loops, which cost $1.25 to board (haha!). When were
they created, and how long did they last? As for the book, is it
possible it can ever be reprinted for nostalgic purposes? I would pay
$$ for a reprint!
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In Reply to: [6]Culture Bus Loops and the official MTA travel guide.
posted by Andrew Huie on November 08, 1997 at 05:14:33:
I remember as a boy that there were two culture loop lines. One was
the B88 that ran in Brooklyn and downtown Manhattan and the M41 which
ran in Midtown and Uptown Manhattan. I forget exactly what year they
were cancalled but it was probably in the early 80's.
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In Reply to: [6]Customer Information posted by Steve on November 08,
1997 at 00:24:09:
And I have my own version. I was on a southbound N yesterday evening
(the M-60/N "connection" from LGA to Manhattan". We stopped at Lex and
I could see a stopped R just ahead in the tunnel. I heard everything
on the radio through the cab door -- and within a minute the motorman
was on the PA explaining that the train just ahead was stuck "with its
brakes in emergency" and we would be moving shortly. It took about ten
minutes; the motorman updated the passengers every two minutes or so.
I think this was pretty good "customer service."
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Since Limited stops have been added to the S91/92/94/96(evenings
only)&98 on Staten Island & on the B41/44/46 in Brooklyn, does anyone
know on what the next routes NYCT plans to look at for Limited Stops
in both Staten Island & Brooklyn, please post it.
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Does anyone know out there if there is a BusTalk just like the Subtalk
where you can talk about NYCT Department of Buses & buses all around
the world, if there is a BusTalk, can you post the address.
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Since now NYCT operates two express buses from Staten Island to
Midtown Manhattan during the morning rush hour on the X17 & x31, I
would like to know if anyone that has heard from NYCT if they plan to
operate Local buses from Staten Island to New Jersey using both the
Gothels & Outerbridge Crossings & if so, will it be extensions or new
routes & where will they operate to in New Jersey.
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Bus # 3158 running on the B82 (Kings Highway) was spotted with a new
very wide blue band that touches the rough openings of the windows,
along with the new MTA logos. Is this the new look?
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In Reply to: [5]Re: Customer Information posted by David L. on
November 08, 1997 at 01:17:20:
How about system wide LED lighted track maps. You could plan which
route is the best to take before you try a line to find there is a
delay. You could instantly see where the next train is, and flashing
red could be used for stalled trains. They have such a system wide
electronic track layout at headquarters, so there shouldn't be any
reason they couldn't send that information to smaller electronic maps
placed for public use in stations.
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For those who have been requesting one, here is my new trivia quiz.
The rules are simple:
[] Answer each question
[] E-Mail your answers to me via my E-Mail Link (please don't post
them)
[] I will reply via E-Mail with your score.
[] Quiz ends on Nov. 17, 1997 and I will post the correct answers on
or about Nov. 18th.
[] I have enough goodies for 10 prizes. In case of a tie, first
come/first served.
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In Reply to: [6]New NYCT Bus paint scheme ! posted by Jeffrey from
Brooklyn on November 08, 1997 at 15:14:34:
If i am not mistaken, 3158 is the only bus done in this scheme, I do
not believe that any other buses are going to be painted that way
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Are there subways cars in the system that don't have speedometers in
the cabs? Just curious.
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In Reply to: [6]Speedometers posted by David L. on November 08, 1997
at 23:53:59:
By this time, all NYCT cars should have speedometers installed. There
are two primary types. The first type uses a magnetic pickup which
'counts' the teeth on the 'bull-gear' in the gear case. The second and
more common type is a dopler radar type speed indicator.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: New NYCT Bus paint scheme ! posted by Charles on
November 08, 1997 at 23:52:33:
That's the same thing I thought when I saw the first bus in white
window frames. Then suddenly, they began to multiply . . . .
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In Reply to: [5]Re: New NYCT Bus paint scheme ! posted by John on
November 09, 1997 at 12:13:12:
i saw bus 1659 in the same scheme in manhattan so this may be the new
paint scheme
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In Reply to: [5]Re: New NYCT Bus paint scheme ! posted by trolleybus
on November 09, 1997 at 13:11:29:
Seems as if almost everybody on the E. Coast is changing paint
schemes.
MTA (Baltimore) is repainting Flxibles to match Icarus buses - The 6"
black stripe under the windows is being changed to white. Everything
is white with a 6" blue stripe. Only the subway cars still have blue
ends. (Rumor is that Imron won't adhere properly to fibreglass.)
SEPTA has a remodeled paint scheme on new Icarus buses where the
stripe is above the windows and starts blue, fading to red. Several
Neoplans have been repainted to match.
MBTA (the "T") changed the LRV paint scheme last year.
All these things are shocking at first. You wonder what consultants
are getting rich on these "image changes".
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In Reply to: [6]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 09, 1997 at 13:12:56:
This free transfer connection can be done between the "G" train at
Broadway to the "J" & "M" trains at either Lorimer or Hewes St with
Metrocard Gold without having to built a free tranfer between the two
stations.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 09, 1997 at 13:12:56:
The TA's East River Crossings study looked at the idea of a track
connection between the J/M/Z and the G for the event of a Williamsburg
Bridge shutdown, but that idea dropped out early in the study.
An idea I had to replace the Myrtle el would be to re-extend the
existing part of the line beyond Broadway, and connect it with the G
at Bedford.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: New Bus paint schemes. Everywhere ! posted by Dan
Lawrence on November 09, 1997 at 13:52:25:
It seems that many Transit agencies are or have removed black (which
usually outlines the windows) from their paint schemes. A few that I
know of are: LAMTA (Los Angeles, formerly SCRTD), MARTA (Atlanta), MTA
(Baltimore), MTA LI Bus (Nassau County, NY) and WMATA (Washington DC).
I always thouht the black window outline looked better. Of all these
new paint schemes I think that NYCT is by far the worst. White windows
frames! Gosh.
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posted by Mike on November 08, 1997 at 14:46:59:
Mike, I don't know for sure, but my guess is: I don't think the TA is
interested in providing service between NY and NJ. If they (TA) did,
NJ Transit may object to it.
Re: Express buses from SI to Manhattan via NJ - I believe the TA is
doing this because it's probably a better/more direct route for it's
super express routes that also bypass lower Manhattan. Since they
don't actually stop in NJ there is not conflict between NYCT and NJ
Transit.
Again this is what I think, but I may be wrong.
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In Reply to: [6]Culture Bus Loops and the official MTA travel guide.
posted by Andrew Huie on November 08, 1997 at 05:14:33:
Yes, I remeber the Culture Bus (B88, M41)routes. I think the fare was
$1.50 when they were discontinued. I was about 15 years old when I
used to ride both routes. The B88 used 6900 series GM buses that were
assigned to the Fifth Ave Depot (Now Jackie Gleason) and the M41 used
4500 series GM's from 100 St Depot. The only thing I didn't like about
the culture bus routes was that the drivers usually drove very slow
until the last trip. I think they operated at 30 min intervals. I also
I heard somewhere that originally there was a third Culture Bus loop
in Upper Manhattan/Bronx which didn't last very long.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: New Bus paint schemes. Everywhere ! posted by
Wayne Johnson on November 10, 1997 at 09:35:05:
Baltimore's MTA has only removed the 6" black stripe UNDER the windows
and replaced it with white on our Flxibles. The windows are still
black, which matches the black-framed windows on the Icarus buses.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Speedometers posted by Steve on November 09, 1997
at 00:04:34:
The speedometers in use on the Mattapan-Ashmont line in Boston appear
to be the doppler radar type. I was riding one car recently which
never went over 25 mph according to the display. Top speed for a PCC
without field shunts is 37 mph on level track, better downhill. It
looked like the unit had been tampered with to indicate 25 max, which
is of course the speed limit on the line. I don't know if this is
possible, but it is certainly worthy of note. Other cars had "honest"
readings.
Gerry
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In Reply to: [7]New NYCT Trivia Quiz. posted by Steve on November 08,
1997 at 21:16:18:
Boy - you thought my easy quiz was bad!
Gerry
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Speedometers posted by Gerry O'Regan on November
10, 1997 at 15:41:14:
I didn't think PCCs could go that fast. What is their supposed top
speedf anyway??? AFIK, trolley poles can't conduct well at high speed
+ are prone to slipping out in turns (possibly where the term "off the
trolley" came from??)
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Speedometers posted by Philip Nasadowski on
November 10, 1997 at 19:02:04:
A PCC Car (with shunts) is good for a 47 MPH Balancing Speed. Shaker
Rapid ran PCC's into the 55 -60 MPH range (in 2, 3 and 4 car PCC
trains) regularly using trolley poles. Remember - the North Shore Line
ran 70 - 85 MPH using trolley poles! I remember that SEPTA removed
field shunting from the GOH-2 overhauls to result in a 25 MPH PCC car.
(However, they also didn't stop as well as a shunted car, but at a
slower speed that didn't seem to affect braking very much.) Later,
GOH-2 cars had the shunting restored if the cars were assigned to
Elmwood Depot. (and the Subway)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Culture Bus Loops and the official MTA travel
guide. posted by Wayne Johnson on November 10, 1997 at 11:50:59:
bx 61 was the 3rd ,if my memory serves me correctly
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Speedometers posted by Dan Lawrence on November
11, 1997 at 00:25:02:
80?? Wow!!! Admittingly, what I know about trolley poles was from a c
1930 book ( the book also listed ignitrons as "promising"). It
mentioned that at higher speeds, especially when high current is
needed, a bow collector or pantagraph was better (didn't CTA's Skokie
Swift line use bow collectors???).
And while we're on the subject, is there really an advantage to the
bent arm pantagraph Metro-North and Septic use??? Other than the fact
that an M 2 wouldn't look right with a diamond one??
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In Reply to: [7]Re: New NYCT Trivia Quiz. posted by Gerry O'Regan on
November 10, 1997 at 15:49:03:
Gerry,
Yes I did. And I had the dignity to throw up my hands and surrender.
(hahaha) Actually there have been a fair number of high scores and one
answer which I was not aware of. There's always something to learn.
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In Reply to: [6]Current Collectors (Was: Re: Speedometers) posted by
Philip Nasadowski on November 11, 1997 at 10:00:47:
I was not kidding about the North Shore. It was amazing to see the
trainmen raise and lower the poles at speed (55-60 MPH) passing
Crawford Avenue (the change point). Bow trolleys (and later
pantographs) were used by the CTA because of the lack of conductors on
the Swift (see, "OPTO" isn't really new). The abutment of the Crawford
Ave bridge bore the marks of bow trolleys in it. Guess why the CTA
moved the change point away from that bridge?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Current Collectors (Was: Re: Speedometers) posted
by Dan Lawrence on November 11, 1997 at 10:45:06:
Absolutely true about the North Shore trains -- speed and current
collection changeover. At the Seashore Trolley Museum, we have three
North Shore cars: Coaches 420 (Pullman Car Co., 1928) and 755
(Standard Steel Car Co., 1930) and dining car 415 (Cincinatti Car Co.,
1926). While we usually don't run them in trains, this past summer I
ran 420/755 as a two-car train for the Association of Railway Museums
convention which we hosted. The cars are power thirsty, however --
Gerry just did some power tests comparing them to standard streetcars.
Gerry?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: New Bus paint schemes. Everywhere ! posted by Dan
Lawrence on November 10, 1997 at 14:00:47:
SEPTA had begun to remove the black window treatment from its Neoplans
and Volvos three years ago, and the scheme looked much better IMHO.
The same occurred with the N-5 cars - only one was delivered in the
black window scheme, and all others did not have it. I liked the
others.
The new Ikarus buses went back to a black window scheme, which I think
is a step backward. When you compare the new high-stripe scheme (above
the windows - to give more room for ad cards with less interference to
the stripe) being placed on the Neoplans, which retains the white
window treatment, to the Ikaruses (Ikari?), the Neoplans look much
better, again IMHO.
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Mike
Here is a page called The Bus Spot give it a look
Also try APTA.com then go to websites and browse good luck
http://members.aol.com/busspot/main.html
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCT Local buses into New Jersey from Staten
Island? posted by Wayne Johnson on November 10, 1997 at 09:46:14:
The NYCTA is running AM Manhattan-bound x17 and x31 buses via the
Goethals Bridge and NJ Turnpike to save time as you note. The Staten
Island-bound PM service is through Brooklyn and the Verrazano Bridge.
There is private express bus service to Jersey City, but no NYCTA
announced SI to NJ services at present.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Culture Bus Loops and the official MTA travel
guide. posted by Wayne Johnson on November 10, 1997 at 11:50:59:
The B88 was a strange service. I rode it once in 1975, boarding at
Park Circle.
It wound it's way through downtown Brooklyn and lower Manhattan,
including
the always scenic Bowery. The best part of the trip were the rides
over the
Manhattan Bridge.
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guide. posted by steve on November 11, 1997 at 01:43:58:
Steve, the BX61 (later X61) was a Bronx-Manhattan Express. Before it
was discontinued it operated between West 262nd Street-Broadway in the
Bronx and Water Street in lower Manhattan.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Customer Information posted by David L. on
November 08, 1997 at 01:17:20:
I prefere hearing the WHY we are delayed and not just the "RED SIGNAL"
or "CONGESTION AHEAD" over and over every two minutes. I ride the head
car a lot and overhear the Radio traffic and many times we "Have a Red
Signal...Moving shortly" over the PA is actualy a train in emergancy
with the crew on the road bed. From my travels I know this RED SIGNAL
ain't clearing in a few minutes or the R68's are gonna take a
Decongestant!!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Local buses into New Jersey from Staten
Island? posted by SI x-bus rider on November 12, 1997 at 08:09:55:
Any information on the bus from SI to JC? Where in Staten Island does
it go? What is the fare, frequency of service, etc?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Current Collectors (Was: Re: Speedometers) posted
by Todd Glickman on November 11, 1997 at 12:23:01:
The tests that we ran were designed to determine the relative costs of
running equipment on Seashore's line. Car 420, a two motor car,
cruises at 144 Amps (86400 Watts at 600 Volts) in series with tapped
fields, and 326 Amps (195600 Watts at 600 Volts). Those numbers can be
doubled for a four motor car like 755.
By comparison, a four motor city car like Third Av. Rys. 631 pulls 52
amps in series and 106 in parallel.
Two interesting asides on this:
North Shore used bronze trolley shoes in place of the usual carbon. A
grease fitting was also included to reduce wear. The springs on the
pole were also extra beefy to improve tracking. It is reported that
dewirements at 90 mph were nothing short of spectacular, with the
poles often ending up wrapped around a catenary tower.
The changeover was done on the fly, and dispite the "Do not throw
switch under load!" warning in the switch cabinet, was often done
under power. With several hundred amps flowing the arc drawn by the
trolley-third rail knife switch must have been enlightening.
Gerry
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Current Collectors (Was: Re: Speedometers) posted
by Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 09:30:34:
At the Baltimore Streetcar Museum we have a plethora of Westinghouse
49 motors. They draw so little current, that even in first point
series they will not throw an electric switch. Our two cars with
WH306CV motors will throw an electric switch, which means that a two
motor car with WH49's draws less than a PCC M-G set and air
compressor. (Baltimore got rid of the PC-1 comprssors in 1942!! Our
1944 order came from Pullman without air compressors, which were
applied at Carroll Park.)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 25, 1997 at 02:56:31:
According to the 1997 Guiness Book of World Records, 40 Years Edition,
the record for traveling the NYC Subway System is 26 hours and 21
minutes 08 seconds, set by Kevin Foster (U.S.), October 25-26, 1989.
Why do you think there is a discrepancy in these times? How come the
new record is longer than the older record? Is it because of changes
in the configuration of some lines? In the front page of the Guiness
book, there is an address to which you must write in order to get
information about breaking a certain record. I will write immediately
to them and once I get all of the specific infomation I'll post it
here. But we'll discuss all of this at the meeting on Saturday. See
you all there!
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In Reply to: [7]Poll: Will these projects go through? posted by Nick
on November 24, 1997 at 11:48:04:
I think that the most important of the projects that you mention is
the 2nd Ave. subway. I was wondering how much of it is actually
complete. I've heard that most of it is complete in sections, now they
just need to be connected. Is this right? In any case, this should be
our first priority. This project would greatly relieve overcrowding on
the 4,5 and 6, and just for this reason it should be completed. Is
there any reason besides cost that the MTA is dragging it's feet on
this project?
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In Reply to: [7]cost of Queens Blvd connection compared to older
connections posted by J. Gordon on November 23, 1997 at 00:44:38:
I think that the connection at 63rd Street is costing a ridiculous
amount of money, and it isn't even going to accomplish that much but
to run a few extra trains through each hour on those train lines. I
think that the MTA should have realized the complexity involved in
this project (moving sewer lines, etc.) and instead spent the money in
a project that would better benefit a greater number of subway riders.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C swap - The politics of the move posted by
Andrew Huie on November 25, 1997 at 01:50:18:
You are correct that it sounds odd but it is true none-the-less. The A
& C lines belong to District 6 while the D belongs to district 5 and
the B belongs to district 4. The 145th Street and 59th Street towers
belong to district 6 while DeKalb Tower belongs to District 4. If you
ran a tower, would you give preference to someone elses trains if you
are being rated on your "On Time Performance"?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Unanswered Messages and IE 4 posted by ~airplane
on November 23, 1997 at 21:40:50:
Thanks ! I thought I was the only one experiencing the problem. I
E-Mailed Dave when I couldn't read one posting and he provided me the
URL. It's good to know that it's not my hardware.
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145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Charles Fiori on November 25,
1997 at 14:08:22:
This has been going on for about a year. The trouble is that usually
just one train is transferred to 207th St. as scheduled (because 207th
St. has an adequate spare factor) but as you can see, the following
day, there are too many trains in Concourse Yard. A more logical
solution would be to have 2 AM drop-outs terminate at 145th St instead
of Bedford Park and they could lay up at 207th St.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway TV Special posted by Fred Wellman on
November 23, 1997 at 10:31:40:
There is a PBS series (on again off again) called "Tracks Ahead" that
at times has subway and rapid transit information. Spencer Chritian
was the host for one season. Most of the show is historical but there
is usually a current system segment every week or two. Again it'
spotty some weeks are better than others.
I know it was on last year but have not seen it in the midwest this
year but it may be on TV somewhere.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by GarfieldA on
November 25, 1997 at 10:43:58:
The replacement of the redbirds is already in the works. When the
R-142s begin to arrive, Corona shop will get it's fleet replaced.
Then, the question is do you expand the #7 line eastward or westward.
Since I'm from Long Island, I'd opt to expand eastward. The route
could follow Roosevelt Avenue to Northern Blvd. and then along
Northern Blvd. at least to Little Neck Parkway. This would eliminate
at least 2 expensive bus lines and significantly reduce surface
traffic and congestion in the Main St. Roosevelt Avenue area.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 24, 1997 at 15:11:06:
ewr tower is at 188.3
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 24, 1997 at 15:11:06:
ewr tower is at 188.3
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by The Pace
Setter on November 24, 1997 at 17:49:03:
What about the Port Authority Bus Terminal? Seems like a little road
block to me.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: B & C swap - The politics of the move posted by
Hank Eisenstein on November 25, 1997 at 03:02:31:
Right on Hank, right on
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In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Radio System posted by Lou from Brooklyn
ex-Staten Islander on November 25, 1997 at 11:09:49:
radio shack's new police call book will be out in about 2 weeks or so.
i went to a radio shack on fordam road and the grand concourse on nov
24 and that is what the manger told me.
charlie muller.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Adam
on November 27, 1997 at 15:39:12:
I know there's a lot of postings about this record, and I didn't want
mine to get lost in the mess so I just wanted to point out that my
posting above has the current record as per Guiness 1997. Take a look!
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Adam
on November 27, 1997 at 15:39:12:
I would say because the sytem is LONGER now than it was. In fact, even
that record can no longer be valid, because the 63st extension opened.
In 1988, the Archer Ave line opened, thus changing the system, and
making the record blank. Now with the 63st line, which opened
in...1990, and the opening of the 63st connector coming, the record is
essentially 'reset'
-Hank
(I believe my point is that there is no record to break, so we'd be
setting it...)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Meeting for RE: everybody Read This posted by Todd
Glickman on November 25, 1997 at 15:54:23:
I think we're jumping the gun here...we have to get the rules from
guiness first...We may not be able to do this until we know how it
needs to be done, in order for it to count.
-Hank
PS, I will try to attend the meeting...
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Unanswered Messages and IE 4 posted by ~airplane
on November 23, 1997 at 21:40:50:
I've had this same problem with a few postings. I have found that if
you use the "View by Date" function, you can often read the message
that way.
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Can anyone tell me why pets, other than seeing eye dogs, are
prohibited on
buses and trains (city transit, as well as Amtrak, Greyhound, etc.)?
I've
often wanted to take my dog with me when I go to New York City, but I
always take Amtrak, and sometimes SEPTA/NJT commuter trains, and pets,
other than ones assisting the handicapped, are not allowed on Amtrak
or
commuter trains. I've noticed that there are an increasing number of
people
who take their pets with them on (car) trips, and I've often wondered
if the no pets policies on public transportation will eventually
change. Also,
How strictly do they enforce no pets rules on public transit? In other
words, Is it likely for an occasional passenger to get away with
taking
"Fido" on the subway, or commuter train without getting into trouble,
or
being confronted by a transit employee? Thanks.
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In Reply to: [7]Pets On Public Transportation posted by Timothy on
November 28, 1997 at 10:21:49:
depending on who your dog is.. ive seen a woman stick her dog inside
her purse and get away with it.. but in most cases, if your dog is the
size of a moose, like mine, youll never get him on the subway.
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does any NYC subway line actually reach to anywhere outside of NYC? i
had a streange dream last night that the #4 extended to Cross County
Center in westchester and then to white plains and fofr some reason at
the white plains station boarding was at track level.. i guess thats
why it aws a dream.
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In Reply to: [7]Pets On Public Transportation posted by Timothy on
November 28, 1997 at 10:21:49:
The San Francisco Muni is more liberal in pet policy than NYCTA (or, I
believe, most other U.S. transit operators). The policy as stated in
their current schedule booklet is as follows:
"Persons boarding with an animal that is not a working dog for the
disabled must pay the same fare for the animal that they do for
themselves. These animals are allowed to reside on Muni vehicles from
9 a.m. to 3 p.m. and from 7 p.m. to 5 a.m. on weekdays, and all day on
Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays. Only one of these animals may ride
per vehicle. Dogs must be muzzled and on a short leash or in a closed
container, and other animals must be carried in closed containers."
Not too many folks take advantage of this semi-sporting offer, but
I've seen a few cats, and even one iguana, aboard the Muni.
I imagine the rules against pets on most transit systems are driven by
two major concerns: possible carrier liability in the event of a bite
(or even an allergy attack!) suffered by another passenger, and, not
to be indelicate, sanitary considerations.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Pets On Public Transportation posted by Lefty on
November 28, 1997 at 11:57:36:
The Maryland (Baltimore) MTA does not allow animals (except the
aformentioned seeing eye /Hearing ear) unless in carriers. So does the
Baltimore Streetcar Museum. We also don't allow fowl on streetcars,
buses, subways, paratransit, etc.
I suspect that every transport carrier (except MUNI) has exactly the
same rules for the same reasons, the exception being the liberal
capital of America.
Also remember that EVERY wierd idea in this country starts in
California!
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In Reply to: [7]extension of any NYC subway line? posted by Lefty on
November 28, 1997 at 12:03:59:
None of the subway lines go beyond NYC limits. The closest probably
would be the 5 to Dyre Avenue, which uses part of an old commuter rail
line. The 2 to 241st Street and the A to Far Rockaway also come fairly
close to the city line.
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In Reply to: [7]Pets On Public Transportation posted by Timothy on
November 28, 1997 at 10:21:49:
As far as I know, Metro-North and the Long Island RR do not prohibit
dogs or other pets - in fact, I've seen a number of dogs on
Metro-North.
BTW, guide dogs for the blind or other disabled people are legally
permitted to accompany their owners anywhere, even in areas where pets
are prohibited.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Steve on
November 27, 1997 at 20:36:51:
While not quite the same thing as an eastward extension of the 7, one
idea that has been poked around is transferring the LIRR Port
Washington line to the NYCTA.
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Frquent readers of the board will know that I'm a displaced Noo
Yawkah, now living and working in Boston. But I come here to work here
every few weekends, permitting me to ride the rails rather frequently.
However, as I'm in the Big Apple today, on a "weekday", new
opportunities arise.
Today's choice: The Brighton Express. With Slant R-40's now on the
line, this is an opportunity to ride this great line with a super
front view. I met a friend from Boston (also a native NYer), and we
wound up on the 10:33 out of 21st St. The ride from 34th to W. 4th,
always one of my favorite express stretches, peaked at 47mph per the
speedometer which I could see through the slightly open cab door. The
Manhattan Bridge ride as well as the snake through the DeKalb
interlockings great as always. Then into the open at Prospect Park,
for the cross-Brooklyn ride to Brighton Beach.
BUT! As we approached Kings Highway, about a half train-length out of
the station, I heard a familiar sound. In an instant, I said to my
friend, "Jeremy! The brakes dumped!" The cab door was now closed, but
I could hear the motorman try to charge the brakes as the train went
into emergency. [Of course, that won't work...] As we entered the
station at 40+ mph in emergency, we began to slide. I then said to
Jeremy, "It won't stop in time! We're going to overshoot the
platform!" Sure enough, we slid on the wet, crushed leaves for about
800 feet, finally coming to a stop 2+ car lengths past the southerly
end of the platform. As we stopped, the motorman gave the conductor
one loooooong buzz, and yelled over the intercom "WE DID NOT PLATFORM.
HOLD THE DOORS." Then they agreed that the motorman would walk back
five cars, gather anyone who wanted to get off, and the conductor
would open the rear five only. The motorman contacted Command to let
them know of the incident, and when we arrived at the Brighton Beach
terminal, a Road Car Inspector met the train to investigate.
After lunch at Nathan's (where else?), the ride back on the Q was
nostalgic, but incident-free. We did notice, however, that our
northbound motorperson carefully braked into each station stop on the
surface due to the "black rail" conditions caused by the dampness and
crushed leaves.
In all my years of riding the NYC subway, this was my first incident
of an overshoot.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Oops, I meant the tunnel under *32nd* Street
posted by Andrew Huie on November 25, 1997 at 02:07:13:
I recall reading a while back (5-10 years?) of a woman who was
attacked/raped or worse in that tunnel. Either nobody else was around
at that time of day, or at least nobody came to her aid in time.
Because it was accessible to the "public" without paying the fare, the
tunnel suffered from poor security and the typical city problems.
In addition to these two, there have been many other passages built
for convenience that have been shut in recent years. One non-Subway
example is the series of tunnels off the northwest corner of Grand
Central. I think it now takes you to 45th & Madison, but I believe it
originally went as far as 46th & 5th with several exits. The purpose
for this was not to transfer, but for area workers to get to/from GCT
without going outside in bad weather.
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In Reply to: [7]OVERSHOOT!!! posted by Todd Glickman on November 28,
1997 at 16:23:01:
Well, at least you got to take a Slant 40 over the Manhattan Bridge,
which is something you can't do on the weekends anymore. You'll have
to try it in the cab of an R-68 next time.
Later
Steve
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Oops, I meant the tunnel under *32nd* Street
posted by Andrew Huie on November 25, 1997 at 02:07:13:
Around 5 years ago, I watches as they blocked up the PATH end of the
passage, so I know exactly where it is. It is immediately north
(right) of the right stairway leading to the Mall/Kaybee toys. The
section of wall that covers it has no mosaic strip, and immediately to
the right of it is a dark corner and a door. A couple of years ago, I
saw a light from over the top of the wall on the right corner. And I
brought the station manager to show her my suggestion of reopening it.
(For those who don't know, theother end is right next to the stairway
entrance from the side of the hotel.
It too was sealed up. Both sides used thin knockout wall, and can be
reopened easily.
Once again, the problem of crime can be solved by somehow placing the
passage within the fare-controlled limits of the subway.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Sounds Good! posted by Todd Glickman on November
25, 1997 at 10:35:46:
First- I am also a CBS radio fan! (AM 880)
second=- could you share with us your experiences. suggested route,
where you misjudged, etc.
if you'd rather not post on sub=talk you can e-mail me:
subway-buff@mindspring.com
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In Reply to: [7]Re: extension of any NYC subway line? posted by Peter
Rosa on November 28, 1997 at 15:03:07:
The city does however operate buses out of NYC. Buses run from Queens
into Nassau County along Sunrise Highway to go to the Green Acres
Mall. Some express busses from Staten Island to Manhattan go through
New Jersey, and I am not sure but I think there is a NYCT bus that
goes into Westchester.
JC
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Peter Rosa on
November 28, 1997 at 15:17:01:
Why? Is there something wrong with the way the LIRR is managing the
Port Washington branch? Considering that a takeover by the subway
would almost definitely mean longer trips for commuters, a takeover is
not necessarily a good thing.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Bootsy on
November 27, 1997 at 23:04:09:
I heard that part of the tunnel was already built awhile back. I found
this out from a lady who says her husband worked on the tunnel.
- Phil
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On Wed. (11/26) I walked down to the platform at the 168th street
station, and to my surprise sitting on the B tracks was an R-40. The
train also appeared VERY clean, in and out. I guess the MTA still has
a few R-40s running on the B line.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: extension of any NYC subway line? posted by Joshua
Caesar on November 28, 1997 at 21:18:48:
I think the Mott Ave end of the rockaway branch gets as close to the
City Limit at Nassau County as any. Mott ave was not opened with the
rest of the Rockaway line becuase LIRR had to build a new station back
less than 1000 ftin order to allow a stub ended terminal to go in at
Mott Ave. I believe it opened later the same year, as I recall
visiting within days after it opened.
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On 11/29/1997, Mrmabstoa, Adam, Bob, and subway-buff met at broadwat
and 79th street to make preliminary plans for the trip. Adam is
recognized as chairman and subway-buff as clerk/record keeper.
We discussed the following points:
1- Adam welcomed each of us and thanked us for coming.
2- Bob agreed to contact guiness about what we have to do to break a
record. He advised it will be about 2-3 weeks before we get a reply.
3- MrMabstoa agreed to contact public affairs at NYCT to allow us to
use crew quarters for restroom facillities and to see what, if any
assistancwe, NYCT might be able to give to us since he works for NYCT
bus division.
4- Adam asked each of us, including those of you reading these
minutes, to draft a plan to bring to our next meeting or e-mail to
Adam, MrMabstoa or subway-buff. (All of us post to sub-talk) . Be sure
to indicate where you plan on starting( Be specific if there is more
than one stop at the location- such as 42nd street on 6av line, times
square, grand central, etc.)
5- Our next meeting will be sometime "near Christmas" at the main
library on 42nd street.
6- The tentative working date is "sometime in March of 1998 (spring
break), and we plan on starting around 6:00AM so we have 18 solid
hours before the midnight overnight "problems" start.
7- We agreed to contact Todd Glickman with WCBS for press coverage
when we devise our final plan.
8- subway-buff agreed to download the schedules for all line sfrom the
MTA NYCT web site for planning purposes.
9- At the next meeting we should know more about whether we have to
cover each station or all 722 track miles (ie- do we stop at each
station once or do we have to cover each line both directions. We lean
towards stopping once.)
The meeting adjourned at 1pm.
Respectfully submitted,
subway-buff, clerk
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Something wrong with the LIRR??? it would be shorter to list the stuff
it's done right ever since the MTA grabbed it. Seriously, the most
M-1s are in shitty shape, the diesel fleet is worse than in most 3rd
world countries. They've only now finnal begun to raise Oyster Bay's
platforms, and they've been doing it nice and slowly. Their current
grade crossing in Mineola has been in progress since I was in high
school. The dual mode double decker on Port Jeff runs about 40% of the
time because it's engine is so shitty. The LIRR's trackwork is almost
as bad as Septa's, and the engineers on the trains think the first
half of the car is all theirs. I live on Oyster Bay, and even though
I'm withing walking distance of Glen Head, I take the Port Washington
line.
My big question is why the LIRR thinks they're so special that they
have to buy double deckers, and beat GM into designing and building a
new locomotive for them when Metro-North just bought GE's off the
shelf dual mode jobs, and some plain old Bombardier single level cars.
I don't need my ride to the city to be some special experience, I just
want a clean, comfy, fast ride. And us saps in diesel territory have
been waiting a long time for it.
But frankly, seeing how the LIRR maintained their current fleet, I
find it hard to justify a major outlay for new equipment.
Metro-North's diesels are an average of 15 years older, yet look brand
new compaired to the LIRR's diesels. Their M-1s are better, and so are
the 2/3/4/6s too. I've been inm the dark on Metro North once, but on
the LIRR, it's pretty much normal.
What totally bewilders me is that Metro North and the LIRR are both
run by the same agency, yet are at both ends of the scale. I can't
name any system that does it's job better than MN, and Grand Central
looks *spectacular* already. Meanwhile, the LIRR expects me to pay $7
(peak) to sit in a hot, dark, smelly, loud, dirty, sticky, slow,
infrequent train to Glen Head. With the condition of their equipment,
is it any wonder Oyster Bay has the lowest ridership of any line???
(end of rant)
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I notice that on SIRR there are no trip arms to stop trains in
emergencies.
Do they use Automatic Train Control?
Why doesn't the MTA change all systems to ATC? To expensive or too
lazy?
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I want to know why on the LIRR, the motormen do not wear uniforms.
Second, Why do close the first few cars in every terminal?
I notice that on long runs, the train crew thinks that the first half
of the front car is their's to own. They hang out and talk to the
motorman, not caring that there might be somebody sitting there.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 01, 1997 at 13:15:44:
Anyone know what happened to the CTA cars with the sloped fronts and
the bi-fold passenger doors? They seemed to have disappeared. When the
Green Line terminals were changed, I remember these cars trundling
along Lake St, but now they seem to have vanished? Were they rebuilt?
Scrapped?
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 01, 1997 at 13:42:09:
Just a reminder for all those revolutionaries that don't like the
MetroCard (for wharever reason): Back in 1924 there were probably alot
of people who didn't like the replacement of the nice,friendly ticket
chopper with the cold, impersonal turnstile! MetroCard IS more
convienent to carry, has more uses, and most importantly of all, here
to stay!!
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Posted by Adam on December 01, 1997 at 14:32:14:
Could whom ever was nice enough to reply to my post about the
nycsubway radio system, please repost the message, I missed it
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Posted by walters on December 01, 1997 at 14:33:14:
In Reply to: [6]NYCT Surplus (or: 1st sighting of Vultures) posted by
Charles Fiori on December 01, 1997 at 13:11:08:
it's woth the cost if it cuts down on crime
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Posted by walter s/.. on December 01, 1997 at 14:35:01:
saw it for the first time today... great page ....
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Posted by walters on December 01, 1997 at 14:37:45:
In Reply to: [6]NYCT Surplus (or: 1st sighting of Vultures) posted by
Charles Fiori on December 01, 1997 at 13:11:08:
it's woth the cost if it cuts down on crime
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 01, 1997 at 14:50:50:
In Reply to: [6]PLEASE REPOST REPLYS TO NYCTA RADIO MESSAGE posted by
Adam on December 01, 1997 at 14:32:14:
Try the archive retrieval or send an e-mail to David Pirmann if you
don't know how. I haven't used it, but am told it works fine.
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Posted by Adam on December 01, 1997 at 16:03:31:
In Reply to: [7]The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by Lou
from Middletown on December 01, 1997 at 13:42:09:
Lou,
I can't argue with you on two of your points, namely that Metrocard
has more uses and that it is here to stay. But I can sincerely argue
with you that it is more convenient to carry. It is definitely less
convenient, as instead of having some loose tokens hanging around in
your pocket that are easy to reach in and grab, a Metrocard is usually
carried in the wallet, as people usually don't have loose cards
sitting around in their pockets. This necessitates flashing your
wallet in the subway, a dangerous move. This leaves you vulenerable to
a potential mugging. Tokens are safer to use because you do not need
to take your wallet out while underground. Also, tokens are more
convenient to carry because you know how much fare you have just by
looking. It is really embarassing to swipe your card in the turnstile
only to find out that there is no more money left on it and the
"Insufficient Fare" message pops up. With a Metrocard, you have to use
that stupid Metrocard reader to find out how much is on the card which
doesn't ever work. I had to swipe my card at least 20 times before it
registered! So call me a disgruntled Metrocard user, I am never going
to give up the token until I'm forced to by the TA. And even then I'll
hoard them. Long live the token!
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Posted by Adam on December 01, 1997 at 16:07:21:
In Reply to: [7]minutes of subway derby meeting on 11/29/12997 posted
by subway-buff on November 29, 1997 at 18:12:11:
I have written and sent off a letter to the Guinness Book of World
Records requesting information about the record. We should expect to
hear from them in about 4-6 weeks. Hopefully we'll hear back by the
next meeting. Hope everybody has some good ideas for a possible route!
Thanks!!!
--Adam
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In Reply to: [6]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on November 27, 1997 at
17:15:09:
Actually, it simplifies things for riders, doesn't it? This way, if
the C is running, it always goes to 168 St. If the B is running up
CPW, it goes to only 145 St. or Bedford Pk. Blvd. The current version
has the C going to sometimes 145, sometimes, Bedford Pk, sometimes 168
St. Even without the dispatcher politics, it seems reasonable. However
it gets away from the old IND rule:
A, B, AA, BB: Washington Hts.
C, D, CC, DD: Concourse
E, F, EE, FF: Queens
But, it doesn't seem to mean as much anymore.
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Posted by Bill on December 01, 1997 at 16:28:22:
In Reply to: [7]Pets On Public Transportation posted by Timothy on
November 28, 1997 at 10:21:49:
I've never understood Amtrak's anti-pet policy. If you can send a pet
in an airline cargo hold (and some airlines even allow small pets in
carry on containers in the passenger compartment) I don't see why
Amtrak trains equipped with baggage cars or sleeping cars couldn't be
more accomodating.
Bill
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 01, 1997 at 16:47:23:
In Reply to: [6]MBTA Old Colony Line & Railbed question posted by
Timothy Speer on December 01, 1997 at 12:01:24:
Until I hear otherwise, concrete ties are considered very durable, and
should need no sealant, as salt is not used on the roadbed, and the
ballast drains very well out the sides of it's cross section, which
was a necessity to preserve the original wood ties.
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Posted by Jr on December 01, 1997 at 16:57:33:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MBTA Old Colony Line & Railbed question posted by
Gary Jacobi on December 01, 1997 at 16:47:23:
Wooded ties need to be replaced every 25 years. Concrete ties needs
only to be replaced only every 75 year. If they really last that long
only time will tell. Concrete ties only been used in this counrty
since 1975.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 01, 1997 at 17:03:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Bootsy on
November 27, 1997 at 23:04:09:
There is a bit of Subway Legend that the lower level platform at
Eighth Ave and 42nd St, which is seldom put to use, was put there to
deliberately block any Westward extention of the #7.
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Posted by Jr on December 01, 1997 at 17:07:37:
In Reply to: [7]LIRR posted by Mike on November 29, 1997 at 22:21:24:
Next time you see this write down the train number and time out of
term. then report them. there not allowed to ride with there door
open. It's not safe.
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Posted by Jr on December 01, 1997 at 17:13:47:
In Reply to: [7]extension of any NYC subway line? posted by Lefty on
November 28, 1997 at 12:03:59:
keep dreaming.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 01, 1997 at 17:17:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Extension of the #7 Train posted by Gary Jacobi on
December 01, 1997 at 17:03:20:
Gary, that is a new one. Where did you see that mentioned? I guess
that the rivalry between the competing companies would allow for such
piggishness, but what did the Independent System have that could
compete, anyway? I know chasing something like this down is
difficult...
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Posted by Serafin on December 01, 1997 at 17:37:34:
Back in the 70's the mta started to build a new subway. It was to go
from the top of the Bronx to the Wall street area. Almost as soon as
they started the project they stoped. After they close the project As
a Kid in the 70's I use to walk in this closed subway from 126st to
97st. Is there anyone that knows if there going to every restart this
subway project? I also herd they built a small part of the 2nd ave
subway somewhere downtown. I'll like to know so I can go a explore it.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on December 01, 1997 at 17:50:49:
In Reply to: [6]CTA equipment posted by Charles Fiori on December 01,
1997 at 13:15:44:
To my knowledge they have been retired.I believe they were still
running when the CTA reformed all the lines but after that they were
takin out of service.The CTA repainted then in dark green and antique
paint for some anniversary,i think the south side main.
The 3200 series cars made it possible to retire them.
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Posted by me again on December 01, 1997 at 17:51:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA equipment posted by Bryan Layne on December
01, 1997 at 17:50:49:
i ment to say that they repainted only 2 cars.
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 01, 1997 at 18:13:23:
In Reply to: [7]nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin on December 01,
1997 at 17:37:34:
Look up in the archives... Not too long ago, somebody put up a long
message for everybody to see dealing with this topic... Personally, I
don't think this line will ever come to a reality, but it is sorely
needed due to the severe overcrowding of the Lexington Ave. line...
As for the already built section, I believe it might be off limits...
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Posted by Scruffy on December 01, 1997 at 18:16:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR posted by LIRR on December 01, 1997 at
08:07:48:
SHUT UP!! You have a code to dress, so USE IT!!
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Posted by Adam on December 01, 1997 at 18:26:40:
In Reply to: [7]nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin on December 01,
1997 at 17:37:34:
A few months ago, I took a tour with the Transit Museum where we
visited stations that had been built but never used. One of the
stations we visited was part of the 2nd Ave. Subway. It was accessable
through a door in a station of the B and Q train, I think that it was
around 57th Street but I forgot so I'm not that sure. It was a very
large station, with an extensive mezzanie level.
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POSTER>Daniel
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Posted by Daniel on December 01, 1997 at 18:32:11:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Extension of the #7 Train (using the Port
Washington branch) posted by Andrew Huie on November 29, 1997 at
00:33:32:
It wouldn't be that bad an idea to replace the LIRR Port Washington
line with the #7 or another train line... However, the majority of
these riders (i.e. Manhasset, Little Neck) have rather nice incomes...
Do you think they would consider riding the subway?
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POSTER>Eric B
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Posted by Eric B on December 01, 1997 at 18:45:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: extension of any NYC subway line? posted by ZAck
on November 30, 1997 at 22:35:05:
The "V" is on all signs, roll and digital. It was supposed to replace
the Q which was supposed to Bway, byt with the unforseeable Manhattan
Bridge scenario, they've combined the two routes into an extended Q,
from what I hear. Personally, I'd prefer the separate routes.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 01, 1997 at 19:03:43:
In Reply to: [7]MBTA "Flat Wheels" posted by Mark S Feinman on
December 01, 1997 at 12:55:14:
I highly doubt it's "normal", I'd put my money on it just being a
string of thumpers. Of course thumpers are really just pretty
annoying. Some cars thump more than others. Slamtrak's stuff seems to
be the worst of them all. Someone told me it's because they sometimes
drag cars around the yard with the parking brakes on, I don't know.
I'm not MBTA based, but I can't think of any "normal" thing on the
trucks that would do that...
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 01, 1997 at 19:25:34:
In Reply to: [6]nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin on December 01,
1997 at 17:37:34:
Some of us are STILL kids at heart, and will want to know how and
where you used to gain access to the uptown tunnel!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 01, 1997 at 19:39:26:
In Reply to: [6]Extension of the #7 Train-Subway Legend posted by
Charles Fiori on December 01, 1997 at 17:17:40:
Brennan mentions the fact that it blocks the #7, but I'm not sure if I
read that it was deliberate, or heard it suggested by someone. That's
why I called it a legend !
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on December 01, 1997 at 19:45:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA equipment posted by me again on December 01,
1997 at 17:51:44:
Cars in the series 1-50 (double ended so they could be operated as
single cars or in train.)were retired from revenue service and are in
work car service at the present time. The last time I saw them in
Revenue Service was in 93 or 94 on the Skokie swift. All of the 6000
series cars that operated in pairs except for the restored pair are
gone as far as I know. The Majority of the 6000 series cars were built
from PCC streetcars as they were phased out of the surface fleet.
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Posted by Joe M on December 01, 1997 at 19:49:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MBTA "Flat Wheels" posted by Philip Nasadowski on
December 01, 1997 at 19:03:43:
Wheel grinding may help
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Posted by Bootsy on December 01, 1997 at 20:41:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 01,
1997 at 10:53:33:
And I bet these are the same people that belong to the labor unions
and jump onto the pickett line the minute they don't get their way.
You know, I can understand belonging to a labor union for protection
against discrimination or unsafe work conditions, but Jesus Christ!!
If you don't put your full concentration into your job, constantly
doing a half-ass job, and constantly bending and/or violating the
regulations, then you have no business behind the brake handle of a
train! They should have TA and/or LIRR officials supervising the
activities of the conductors and motormen, making sure they stick to
their job, and TUCK YOUR DAMN SHIRTTAILS IN, GODDAMMIT!!
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Posted by Lefty on December 01, 1997 at 20:46:36:
is there any commuter rail system anywhere in NY besides MNRR? where
does it run? what equip does it use?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 01, 1997 at 20:51:40:
In Reply to: [7]commuter rail in NY other than MNRR posted by Lefty on
December 01, 1997 at 20:46:36:
Well, the Long Island Railroad is the nation's largest commuter
railroad, and (unlike Metro-North) operates entirely within NY State.
New Jersey Transit trains run into Penn Station in Manhattan.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 01, 1997 at 20:54:51:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR posted by LIRR on December 01, 1997 at
08:07:48:
One reason why LIRR engineers should wear uniforms is so they can be
readily identifiable to passengers in event of emergency.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 01, 1997 at 21:28:09:
In Reply to: [7]Re: commuter rail in NY other than MNRR posted by
Peter Rosa on December 01, 1997 at 20:51:40:
Yeah, there's the LIRR. Featuring both rusty diesels and sexy looking
electrics (seriously, the M-1 design grows on you). The rusty ones
(Rustliners(tm)?) are pulled by glorified switchers (MP-15AC), or by
GP-30somthings. Contray to popular opinion, the LIRR is NOT a mecca
for Alco cab units. those were depowered long ago, and were fitted
with generators for hep. Maybe they're Honda generators, they sure
sound like them. I seem to recall a B unit floating around the system
too... BTW, many of the rustliners (it's bound to catch on...) were
MP-70's or 73's in a past life. Look for "Danger 600 Volts" stickers
in odd places. There's not much to say about them other than they
suck, but when the A/C works, its better than the electrics.
The electrics are M-1s and M-3s. They feature the same single handle
control as MN's equipment, and they often feature a nasty engineer
driving the train. And the world's most annyoing HVAC system. Loud,
whinning, and it doesn't cool. And unlike Metro North, the LIRR has
sealed windows, so by the time the train hits Jamacia, it's a pressure
cooker.
The long promised new diesels are going to be double decker. The
current Port Jeff test train is pulled by two rebuilt FL9's. The new
locomotives are GM, I've seen pics of them, I think they are uglier
than the Gennisisisis that Metro North uses.
Oh yeah, NJT's yard is on the island (!). Mostly AEM-7s and Comet,
Arrow, and other MUs/cars. There are no NJT stops on the Island thank
god...
Oh yeah, doesn't NJT own some of the upstate trackage??
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Posted by Lefty on December 01, 1997 at 21:36:14:
In Reply to: [7]Re: commuter rail in NY other than MNRR posted by
Philip Nasadowski on December 01, 1997 at 21:28:09:
oops, i completely didnt think of LIRR.. it just seems like its part
of MNRR.. and seems like its not there to me.. i never go to LI.. i
think NJT does own the tracks on the port jervis line of MNRR? i saw
an NJT locomotive pulling MNRR cars up there. im surprised theres no
commuter rail in albany? buffalo? rochester? those are all relatively
big cities i think.
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Posted by Lefty on December 01, 1997 at 21:39:45:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR posted by Bootsy on December 01, 1997 at
20:41:54:
i was once forced to ride on the fron tcar of an MNRR local to croton
harmon because i had my bike with me. first thing i noticed was the
cabs door was open the whole time. when the engineer went up to start
the ride, i wondered, whats that regular normal type guy doing in hte
cab? but then he came to the front door of the train where a couple of
conductors were standing and they started making conversation and
cursing loudly and aLOT and smoking... seemed like something wasnt
right.. you say that is all against their contracts?
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SUBJECT>Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of 145th St in the Spring
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 01,
1997 at 16:10:05:
Let's not forget the basic reason for the switch - to keep the
equipment consistent that is used on each line.
With the switch, all R-68's will be kept at the Concourse yard where
the dispatcher can assign cars easily between the B and D, knowing
they will end up at Coney Island.
The same for the 207 yard, as all R32's, 38's, and 44's can be
assigned between the A and C, knowing they will end up at Euclid,
Lefferts, or one of the Rockaways.
It just makes things easier.
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Posted by ~airplane on December 01, 1997 at 23:26:46:
In Reply to: [7]Re: commuter rail in NY other than MNRR(oops) posted
by Lefty on December 01, 1997 at 21:36:14:
NJT does not own the Port Jervis Line tracks. Metro-North service on
the Port Jervis Line and Pascack Valley Line is operated by New Jersey
Transit, under contract with MNR. West-of-Hudson MNR equipment is part
of the NJT pool, but with the new service contract, Metro-North
equipment can only be used on the two MNR lines, not on NJT's other
lines.
The Port Jervis Line is actually owned by Conrail, and will be
transferred to Norfolk Southern after the big breakup. Metro-North is
trying to throw a clause into the agreement between NS and CSX that
will give MNR the option to buy the line at a later date.
As for other big cities, Syracuse has a commuter rail system of some
sort, although it's not very expansive.
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Posted by GAR on December 01, 1997 at 23:27:03:
Does anyone have any insight into plans for Chicago subway expansion
say from the end of WW II to the early 70's? I know removal of the L
around the loop was always a goal but (thankfully) never happened. I
find it strange that the Blue and Red subway lines in the loop are
only a block apart both running N-S instead of either sharing RoW or
being further spread out.Was there a master plan? Also were there ever
any plans to service the rail stations? Any info would be appreciated
and I will check the Library and post any thing of interest .
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on December 01, 1997 at 23:33:30:
In Reply to: [6]Chicago Transit Planning posted by GAR on December 01,
1997 at 23:27:03:
Find a copy of CTA at 45 by Krambles and Peterson. It's a good
overview of the CTA and has good references to find detailed
information. If its not in the library I think Central Eletric
Railfans Assn. (CERA) sells it as a fundraiser for their Scholarship
fund.
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Posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 01:07:38:
Does anybody know what those blue and white R-110 R-110 signs
indicate, that are hanging above many of the station platforms?
Does it have anything to do with the New Tech trains?
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Posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 01:08:06:
Does anybody know what those blue and white R-110 R-110 signs
indicate, that are hanging above many of the station platforms?
Does it have anything to do with the New Tech trains?
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Posted by subway-buff on December 02, 1997 at 03:26:37:
In Reply to: [7]R-110 signs above station platforms posted by Jeffrey
from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 01:08:06:
the signs show the conductor location for the R119 (R142/143) trains
which are 67 foot cars.
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Posted by subway-buff on December 02, 1997 at 03:27:05:
In Reply to: [7]R-110 signs above station platforms posted by Jeffrey
from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 01:08:06:
the signs show the conductor location for the R110 (R142/143) trains
which are 67 foot cars.
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SUBJECT>Re: minutes of subway derby meeting on 11/29/12997 Letter to TA-Question for
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In Reply to: [7]Re: minutes of subway derby meeting on 11/29/12997
posted by Adam on December 01, 1997 at 16:07:21:
I have sent my letter to Transit concerning our record and use of
their facilities in our plans for the derby. In our meeting on
Saturday, the question arose of whether its faster for us to cover the
Bronx in one shot or to ride the lines from end to end. For example
the D train from 205 to Coney Island, or to start at say 125 St on the
6 to Pelham bay back to 149 for the 2 etc etc.
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 02, 1997 at 08:34:55:
I was thinking the other day that there aren't many interstate rapid
transit systems in the U.S., and that of the ones I could think of,
New Jersey has two: PATH and PATCO. Washington, DC Metro was the other
I could think of. Are there any others? (Note, I'm not asking about
"commuter rail"-style systems.)
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Posted by Dave on December 02, 1997 at 09:00:19:
In Reply to: [7]Interstate rapid transit systems posted by David
Pirmann on December 02, 1997 at 08:34:55:
Metrolink - the St. Louis, MO light rail system - runs from Lambert
Field (St. Louis airport) to downtown and from there to East St.
Louis, Illinois. An extension of the eastern leg is in the planning
stages (construction to start soon), a dozen or so miles further east
to the new Mid-America airport. I believe this will give Metrolink the
distinction of being the only rail (heavy or light) system that
operates between two airports without need of a connecting shuttlebus
from the train to the plane.
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Posted by Timothy on December 02, 1997 at 09:31:51:
Can anyone tell me why Wilmington, Delaware has no rail transit
system?
I've heard that Wilmington had several streetcar lines many years ago.
Although not nearly as big as its neighbor to the north, Philadelphia,
I
believe Wilmington is large enough to accomodate 1 or 2 light rail,
and/or
subway lines, because besides the downtown area, Wilmington has many
neighborhoods that nearly extend to the Pennsylvania/Delaware state
line,
and I believe that a rapid transit system would be very convenient for
people living in those areas. One area that could use a subway, or
light
rail line is the Route 202 corridor, that runs between West Chester,
Pennsylvania, and Wilmington, Delaware, past the Concord Mall. I know
that
I posted a similar message earlier this year, concerning rail transit
in
Wilmington, but I'm just wondering if Wilmington will ever see a
subway,
or light rail system, or if it ever has been in the planning stages.
Thanks.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 02, 1997 at 09:43:04:
In Reply to: [7]CTA equipment posted by Charles Fiori on December 01,
1997 at 13:15:44:
I believe that you are referring to the 2000 series cars (Pullman
Standard,
1964). These were all retired in 1994 when the green line was closed
for
rebuilding (new car deliveries after that provided the necessary
rolling
stock for the reopening in 1996).
CTA has retained one pair. They were repainted in Pullman green with
gold trim, lettered "South Side Rapid Transit", and re-numbered 1982
and
1992 for the L centennial in 1992. They are usually stored in the
Lake/
Harlem yards, and can best be seen from passing Metra UP West line
trains.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 02, 1997 at 10:44:03:
In Reply to: [6]Interstate rapid transit systems posted by David
Pirmann on December 02, 1997 at 08:34:55:
David, welcome back. Did you head off to the same "undisclosed
location" as Rudy Giuliani??
The San Diego Trolley runs right up to the International Border at San
Ysidro. Also, WMATA runs through 2 states and one territory, making 3
political entities all of which have electoral votes.
Also, isn't there a subway in Istanbul? If so, it could be the only
one to operate on 2 continents...
(All of the above are from the "More than you thought you needed to
know" Department") :-)
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POSTER>Sergiy Pakhomov
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Posted by Sergiy Pakhomov on December 02, 1997 at 11:04:24:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Interstate rapid transit systems posted by Charles
Fiori on December 02, 1997 at 10:44:03:
An answer to Charles Fiori (posted on December 02, 1997).
In Istambul there have never been a subway line connecting two
continents. It does not matter if it is the modern line (opened about
1990) or something called sometimes a subway and sometimes a
funiculair (incline raylway). They are both in European part. No rails
cross the Bosphorus, ever heavy rail.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 11:39:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Adam on December 01, 1997 at 16:03:31:
Worse than no enough fare while trying to enter the turnstile is ON
THE BUS, card is taken and a LOUD BLOOP type noise is heard so
everyone knows you don't have enough money.
I guess that's better than "Hey You get back here, you only put in
$1.25".
I have yet to go 10 trips (one week) without having to "reswipe" at
least once at a turnstile, that is still a problem.
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Posted by Lou on December 02, 1997 at 11:47:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: ATC SIR posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 01,
1997 at 10:15:30:
I've seen 509A defined as Stop and Proceded at reduced speed in order
to stop in half the sight distance of any obstruction and I believe
you had to sound the horn as part of the stop.
I saw it in a book somewhere, gonna look for it...
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 11:53:58:
Okay here's one for you guys attempting to beat the all station 24hr
record.
If a local train is rerouted from local service to express (Local D to
Express at Prospect Park) do you have to "reride" to qualify for the
local station missed??
Will a rerouted train on another line count?? For example the E/F
tunnel in Queens is blocked and the F is rerouted to the G line, all G
local stops are made from Queens Plaza to Smith&9th Street, shouldn't
this qualify these stations??
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 02, 1997 at 12:23:58:
In Reply to: [7]Re: commuter rail in NY other than MNRR(oops) posted
by ~airplane on December 01, 1997 at 23:26:46:
There was a discussion of the Syracuse rail system on nyc.transit not
long ago. Service operates Wendesdays through Sundays only, which
obviously makes it impractical for commuters. It seems to be aimed at
Syracuse University students, and also is a popular source of
entertainment. All in all, it's really stretching definitions to call
the Syracuse system "commuter rail."
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 02, 1997 at 12:24:55:
In Reply to: [7]Record Attempt RULES Question posted by Lou from
Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 11:53:58:
That's a good question. My understanding was that we just have to stop
at each stop on the system, and not necessarily ride every line. Other
than rerouted trains it seems that we'll have to ride ride every line
to accomplish this - except the C line because each of it's stops are
also served the A and D trains. The Q line stops can also be covered
without actually riding the Q train.
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on December 02, 1997 at 12:39:42:
In Reply to: [7]R-110 signs above station platforms posted by Jeffrey
from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 01:07:38:
I'm not exactly sure, but here is my guess: The R110-B is only a 3-car
train (there are 3 sets of trains), instead of a 6-8 car train like
you normally see. Therefore, the train stops in the middle of the
platform...so the sign tells the conductor where to stop. Of course if
your a regular rider of the A-train, you could probably figure this
out after awhile.-NICK
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 02, 1997 at 13:50:12:
In Reply to: [7]commuter rail in NY other than MNRR posted by Lefty on
December 01, 1997 at 20:46:36:
Other than LIRR & Syracuse mentioned below (Syracuse started with RDCs
IIRC), Buffalo, NY has a short (3 miles I think) light rail line, part
of which runs as subway for about 3 stops. The original plans were to
extend it significantly but it never happened. The system uses 85 foot
Kinki-Sharyo LRV cars that are NOT articulated. I think the system
opened in the late '70s and is still using the same equipment,
although I'm sure the cars have gone through an overhaul program by
now.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 02, 1997 at 13:57:05:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Adam on December 01,
1997 at 18:26:40:
You're thinking of the planned cross-platform transfer that was
intended for the Lexington Ave - 63rd St station (B/Q). The side
platform is actually an island platform with fake side walls. The
outside tracks behind the fake wall were intended to connect to 2nd
Ave subway service.
Grand Street (B, D, Q) is also similar. The side walls are "temporary"
- I believe there is also a trackbed (or the provisions for one)
behind that wall as well. This station was also supposed to serve as a
cross-platform transfer to the 2nd Ave line.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 02, 1997 at 14:00:28:
In Reply to: [7]nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin on December 01,
1997 at 17:37:34:
OK, OK, so how'd you get in?? (Please do not broadcast anything
illegal, of course!)
Lots of 2nd Ave subway information can be found right on this site at
the
[8]Second Ave Subway Page.
Included is a recent posting (very well documented) by someone who
summarized a NY Times article from 9/29 describing the proposed IND
Second System, and what the 2nd Ave subway was supposed to become.
--Mark
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Posted by Bob A on December 02, 1997 at 14:05:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Record Attempt RULES Question posted by Wayne
Johnson on December 02, 1997 at 12:24:55:
I always thought that you only had to go through every station, not
necessarily stop at every station!
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 02, 1997 at 14:06:54:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA equipment posted by Ed Sachs on December 02,
1997 at 09:43:04:
The other set of cars with the "folding blinker doors", the Budd-built
2200s (I THINK), are only run during rush hours because they are not
accessible to users requiring wheelchairs and therefore violate the
Americans With Disabilities Act.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCT Surplus (or: 1st sighting of Vultures)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 02, 1997 at 14:08:37:
In Reply to: [7]NYCT Surplus (or: 1st sighting of Vultures) posted by
Charles Fiori on December 01, 1997 at 13:11:08:
Forgive me if I was disappointed in seeing this post.
Given the title, I thought this was about an upcoming Transit Museum
Auction and Tag Sale!! :)
--Mark
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POSTER>Ted Shaine
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Posted by Ted Shaine on December 02, 1997 at 14:33:52:
It's my understanding that the LIRR used to run to a terminal in
Queens before the tunnels under the East River were built. Ferry
connections were provided from this location, which I beleive was at
Long Island City. Is this the current LIRR stop known as Hunterspoint
Ave, or Long Island City? Is there evidence of the once larger
terminal at either location?
Is LIRR still planning on ending service on the LIC branch?
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 02, 1997 at 14:36:28:
In Reply to: [6]Syracuse rail (was Re: commuter rail in NY other than
MNRR (oops)) posted by Peter Rosa on December 02, 1997 at 12:23:58:
It's "commuter rail", I guess, in that it is a set of main-line trains
and tracks that only serves a local area. It doesn't serve commuters,
but it has the train, track, and management style of commuter lines.
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POSTER>Faline Fox
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Posted by Faline Fox on December 02, 1997 at 15:17:12:
Can somebody out there verify that the 14th Street subway was built
using the cut-and-cover method? Various references I have consulted
failed to document this. Anybody have a definitive reference? Thanks.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 02, 1997 at 15:52:49:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR Hunterspoint posted by Ted Shaine on December 02,
1997 at 14:33:52:
Hunterspoint Avenue and Long Island City are two seperate stations.
LIC is the terminus.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 02, 1997 at 16:05:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: commuter rail in NY other than MNRR posted by
Philip Nasadowski on December 01, 1997 at 21:28:09:
You mean the windows on MNRR trains open?? I never noticed this
before! Their electric trains look almost exactly like the LIRR
trains.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 02, 1997 at 16:13:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-40 on B line posted by Subman23 on November 30,
1997 at 18:03:56:
Any R-42s on the B? Or R-32s?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 02, 1997 at 16:49:22:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR Hunterspoint posted by Bootsy on December 02,
1997 at 15:52:49:
>Hunterspoint Avenue and Long Island City are two seperate stations.
LIC is >the terminus.
That's sort of true. LIRR trains to Hunterspoint Avenue in fact
terminate there as far as passengers are concerned. The track from
Hunterspoint Avenue to Long Island City is not, as far as I know, used
in revenue service. That might change once service on the Montauk
Branch to LIC (via Richmond Hill, Penny Bridge, etc.) is discontinued.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 02, 1997 at 16:58:08:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Lou from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 11:39:24:
Maybe the turnstiles/bus boxes (??) should make a bloop or beep when
you card gets below $2.00, so you know you're running low??
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 02, 1997 at 17:04:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Philip Nasadowski on December 02, 1997 at 16:58:08:
Hey, that's a great idea. Actually, it's too intelligent and simple
for any system to actually implement it.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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SUBJECT>Re: Chicago Transit Planning
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Posted by Bryan Layne on December 02, 1997 at 17:42:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago Transit Planning posted by Joe M on
December 01, 1997 at 23:33:30:
check out [7]this page
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on December 02, 1997 at 18:04:46:
In Reply to: [6]Wilmington, Delaware posted by Timothy on December 02,
1997 at 09:31:51:
Wilmington converted its streetcar lines to trolley coach before WWII.
When
Delaware Power was getting out of the transit business in the late
1950's, the system was dieselized. The TC's sat for a year or so and
then were sold to Johnstown Traction who were in the process of
converting the system from streetcars to TC's in the 1958-59 era.
Johnstown in the middle 50's was a one-day diversion from the
Pittsburgh system - (which then used to take a full week to fully
cover) a streetcar fan's heaven.
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Posted by J. Ritter on December 02, 1997 at 18:27:04:
At one time there was a posting on www.nycsubway.org/news/sirt that
discussed a tunnel to Staten Island that was proposed as an extention
of the 4th Ave. BMT. Additionally the posting said that the tunnel was
started and then never finished. Looking for a copy of the posting
which
has been removed and additional information about the subject.
Thanks,
JR
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 02, 1997 at 19:07:07:
In Reply to: [6]Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by J. Ritter on
December 02, 1997 at 18:27:04:
Look off the south end of the southbound platform at 59th Street and
4th Avenue, you will see the beginnings of the ramp which was to
ultimately lead to Staten island. My colleagues at this site can fill
in the other details.
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Posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 19:45:54:
In Reply to: [6]Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by J. Ritter on
December 02, 1997 at 18:27:04:
I had asked a question about a tunnel that branches off from the
southbound N and R line between Whitehall and Court St. Many had
responded that this was the beginnings of a tunnel to Staten Island,
which was planned back in the 1920's. I have heard a different version
of this SI tunnel story in which the tunnel was to be built as an
extension of the 4th Ave (R) line from 96th st. Additionally, there
were plans to install tracks on the Verrazznao bridge, but Robert
Moses had his way, and I guess you know the rest!
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Posted by Jr on December 02, 1997 at 20:18:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Gary Jacobi on
December 01, 1997 at 19:25:34:
The way I use to get into the 2nd ave subway was by pulling up the
vent gate the is on the sidewalk. The one I use to gain access was at
the north west side of 112st and 2nd ave and also at 99st across the
street of the hospital.
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Posted by Serafin (JR) on December 02, 1997 at 20:41:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Adam on December 01,
1997 at 18:26:40:
Mark S feinman is right. If the take the b or q to Lex ave you'll see
a red wall. That is a fake wall. You will see a number of doors along
this wall. Most of the time the worker will leave one or two doors
unlocked. If you use a door please remember what door you used or the
TA police will be glad to help you as in my case but that another
story. They use the track in this unused station to layup trains.(I
guess from 57 st.). If you look down the far east of the station the
tunnel make a turn north in a down grade. I once walk this. It end
about 200 feet from the station. Please don't walk on the track
because the rails is live. Note from the east end of the station there
are stair about 10 feet in the tunnel the goes to the lower level that
is unused also. This was to be use by the LIRR. but you never herd
that from me. No lights in lower level.
The way I use to get into the 2nd ave subway was by pulling up the
vent gate on the sidewalk. The one I use to gain access was at the
north west side of 112st and 2nd ave and also at 99st across the
street of the hospital. it's has been 15 to 20 year sinces I walked
that subway. Now the Mta has sealed up most of the vents and installed
alarm system. if you go bring a rope and light. At the time there use
to be lights and it was warm and dry. No rat but wear boots.
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Posted by Serafin (jr) on December 02, 1997 at 20:43:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Daniel A. Valles on
December 01, 1997 at 18:13:23:
The way I use to get into the 2nd ave subway was by pulling up the
vent gate on the sidewalk. The one I use to gain access was at the
north west side of 112st and 2nd ave and also at 99st across the
street of the hospital.
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POSTER>Serafin (jr)
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Posted by Serafin (jr) on December 02, 1997 at 21:09:01:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR Hunterspoint posted by Ted Shaine on December 02,
1997 at 14:33:52:
The Ferry connection was about 46st and the east river. The track are
long gone but the ferry dock was standing just till three year ago. It
was torn down to make was for new co-ops. I good view of the ferry
dock was from the UN in manhattan looking east to queens. You use to
see the Dock slip with large white letter that said LONG ISLAND
standing by a old power station.
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Posted by Lefty on December 02, 1997 at 21:19:00:
hey.. whats coming up new for nycsubway.org? do you have anything in
the works? when?
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SUBJECT>Proposed NYCT S53 extension to 86 St & 4 Av in Spring 1998.
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Posted by Mike on December 02, 1997 at 21:55:03:
I have recently heard that NYCT plans to extend the S53 bus from 95 St
& 4 Av up to 86 St & 4 Av to serve the shopping district & to provide
new transfer connections at 86 St to the B16/64 & 70, As part of this
proposal, NYCT plans to restructure the S79, B8 & B70 routes in Bay
Ridge as part of the S53 extension.
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POSTER>Joe-M
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Posted by Joe-M on December 02, 1997 at 21:57:11:
In Reply to: [6]Interstate rapid transit systems posted by David
Pirmann on December 02, 1997 at 08:34:55:
Bi-State in St. Louis serves MO and IL. More rappid transit than light
rail but a bit of both
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POSTER>Alex LaBianca
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Posted by Alex LaBianca on December 02, 1997 at 22:06:32:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Jeffrey
from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 19:45:54:
I live out in Staten Island, and as such don't getto ride the N/R
south of Whitehall very often. I don't know where this spur tunnel is,
but it probably is not actually in Manhattan, mostly because thiere is
very little of Manhattan left after Whitehall St. If it's somewhere
mid-way between the two stations, it may be an alternate way to the M
tracks that go up Broad St. If it's on the Brooklyn side, close to
Court St., it might be a spur that connected to the abandoned line
coming out of the Transit Museum.
As for tunnels from Brooklyn...The original proposal was for a
multi-tube tunnel from near Ft. Hamilton to near Ft. Wadsworth. Two
tubes would be for cars, and the center tube for a rail connection
from the end of the BMT line at 96th Street to the SIRT. Robert Moses,
the highway and parks czar, prefered bridges to tunnels, because "no
one can see a tunnel." As a result, a bridge was built across the
Narrows instead of a tunnel - a bridge that was designed not to deal
with the stresses of running trains across it.
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Posted by Lefty on December 02, 1997 at 22:29:37:
does anyone have any info on the subway system in Haifa, Israel?
pictures? equipment types?
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on December 02, 1997 at 23:28:49:
In Reply to: [7]Chicago Transit Planning posted by GAR on December 01,
1997 at 23:27:03:
Just like New York has its unbuilt second system, Chicago has its
unbuilt dreams of raip transit greatness.
The July - September 1985 issues of Passenger Train Journal have a
good overview of the system, as well as some of the as of yet
unachieved plans for expansion.
Herewith, a summary:
The Midway line would be extended in two directions, westwards along
63rd St. to Summit at Archer Ave. (originally, the Midway line was to
have been an Archer Ave. subway), and southwards along Cicero Ave. to
Ford City.
A belt line would extend further along Cicero to the North and the
Belt Railway row to the east and south. This would turn off the Belt
Railway at the old Pennsy Panhandle line, and follow this to 99th St.
There it would curve over to I-57 and meet the Dan Ryan line, which
would be extended to a new terminus at 103rd St. Northwards, it would
follow Cicero Ave. Lawrence Ave. north of the O'Hare/Kennedy line.
Then it would continue on the ex-Northwestern row to the Skokie line
where it would run to Howard.
The Douglas line would be extended out Cermak Rd. to I-88 where it
would venture to Oakbrokk shopping center. The Congress line would
join it by following the old Roaring Elgin row out through Bellwwod
and Maywood along side the B&OCT tracks and then cutting down the old
never finished bypass through West Chester.
Another long talked of extention would lengthen the Skokie Swift by
running it all the way north along the North Shore row to Old Orchard
shopping center at Old Orchard Rd., or possibly even all the way to
Northbrook Court at County Line Rd.
Yet another extension more recently in the talking would extend the
O'Hare line out I-90 to Schaumburg.
Thats all the pipe dreaming I've heard of from out there ...
Andy Byler
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on December 02, 1997 at 23:42:04:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MBTA Old Colony Line & Railbed question posted by
Jr on December 01, 1997 at 16:57:33:
The concrete ties used are pre-stressed concrete ties. You can see the
pre stressing strands if you dig the end of a tie out of the ballast.
As Jr. mentions, they are supposed to last 75 years - this is the
standard answer given by the prestressing people. They're record is
not that good. Amtrak had major problems with the first huge batch of
prestressed ties installed, and there was a very big lawsuit about
this. Now the NEC has lots of new prestressed ties with supposedly
none of the problems of the old ones. We'll see ... As I said above,
75 years is the standard guestimate of the prestressed tie
manufacturers. There is no scientific proof of this until we get
prestressed structures which are 75 years old. My understanding is
that the railroads, conservative organizations that they are, estimate
concrete tie life at 50 years. BTW, the assumption of their life psan
is based on the prestressing eventually wearing out, necessitating
their replacement.
Andy Byler
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Posted by Steve on December 02, 1997 at 23:46:10:
In Reply to: [7]M-1 door control panel posted by Jack on December 01,
1997 at 11:27:44:
Pass. Release stands for Passenger Release. When the M-1s were
delivered, they were equipped with a feature similar to one used on
systems like Buffalo. Passenger release simply means that when
energized, the doors could be opened by passengers by pressing a
button either inside or outside of the train. This is very handy in
cold or inclenent weather since only the doors that are needed to be
opened actually do open. I looked at an M-1 this morning and found
that the buttons, on the car exterior and on the wind-screen
panels(indside) have been removed and covered over with plates. I was
told that the feature was removed from the LIRR around 1980.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 02, 1997 at 23:49:51:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Jeffrey
from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 19:45:54:
I believe the tunnel you are referring to was part of the Nassau loop
which was used up until Chrystie Street, I think.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on December 02, 1997 at 23:55:10:
In Reply to: [7]minutes of subway derby meeting on 11/29/12997 posted
by subway-buff on November 29, 1997 at 18:12:11:
Depending on how far along my thesis is, I might be able to join you
guys in March.
Anyway, here is my two cents worth - you only have to cover each line
once - i.e you can come into Coney Island on the F and leave on the B.
Furthermore, riding the express down Fulton St. counts just as much as
riding the local. A question in this area is the divergence of the
Queens Blvd. Express from the local beyond Northern Blvd. I believe
that it is legitmate to take the express and ignore the local, but I
am not certain.
A recommendation for devising routings: save long expresses which run
at night for the last lines to cover - i.e. the D and E, and try to
cram as many rush hour expresses in as possible, especially the J
skip-stop if that actually saves time (I've never ridden it), and the
Lexington Ave. Through-Express from the Bronx.
A question - do you have to start and end at the same station?
Otherwise, it is to our benefit to start somewhere like Far Rockaway
or New Lots Ave. and end at Pelham Bay.
Finally, a big help over previous attempts is the slimming down of the
Rockaways Shuttle. This used to necessitate traversing the Rockaways
in the middle of the night so as to get that last leg of the wye
coming in from Borad Channel. What this means is that this leg may be
covered during the day, when the expresses are running, as the wye is
no longer in revenue service.
Andy Byler
ps. Aren't NYCTA subways schedules out there somewhere in netland?
These would help the planning a lot.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 02, 1997 at 23:55:24:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on December 02, 1997 at 17:04:59:
Actually you are incorrect. When my EZ Pass runs low, there is a
yellow light at the toll booth to alert me.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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SUBJECT>Re: extension of any NYC subway line?
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Posted by Andrew Byler on December 02, 1997 at 23:57:49:
In Reply to: [7]extension of any NYC subway line? posted by Lefty on
November 28, 1997 at 12:03:59:
Maybe this dream is a sign that the New York, Westchester and Boston
will rise again and become part of the subway!
Andy Byler
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Does anybody know about the map of the NY streetcar system(s) on the
net?
Thanks.
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POSTER>david vartanoff
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SUBJECT>Re: Interstate rapid transit systems
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Posted by david vartanoff on December 03, 1997 at 04:00:14:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Interstate rapid transit systems posted by Dave on
December 02, 1997 at 09:00:19:
CTA connrcts O'Hare to Midway via two routes but one fare--change
trains at Clark-Lake
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Proposed NYCT S53 extension to 86 St & 4 Av in Spring 1998.
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 03, 1997 at 07:20:50:
In Reply to: [7]Proposed NYCT S53 extension to 86 St & 4 Av in Spring
1998. posted by Mike on December 02, 1997 at 21:55:03:
The reasoning for this is to have a combined terminal for services to
Staten Island at a station that is not a terminal for several other
bus lines.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: R-110 signs above station platforms
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 03, 1997 at 07:29:39:
In Reply to: [7]R-110 signs above station platforms posted by Jeffrey
from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 01:07:38:
Those signs are the conductor boards for the R110B...Since the cars
are of a different length, the condutors position is different. There
are also conductor bourds (with black/white striping, as opposed to
solid blue), that indicate the conductors position to open the doors
on the train. Most stations have one board, other stations, like those
with one stairway or exit theat is always open, have several, and they
are marked with a number indicating the length of a train that can
safely open its doors at that location. As long as the conductor can
look straight up and ahead and see the board, it is safe to pen the
doors.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 03, 1997 at 07:33:52:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Lou from Brooklyn on December 02, 1997 at 11:39:24:
I believe this will be the final word on Metrocards...the rumor in the
TIMES today is that the TA will offer 12 for 10 metrocards (12 rides,
$15) with the surplus, effectively reducing the fare to $1.25. The
question I have though, is will they reduce the metrocard fare to
$1.25, or will they only encode the extra $3 on a $15 dollar or more
metrocard? At that point, it doesn't benifit a majority of riders.
-Hank
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: new stuff on nycsubway.org (dave?)
DATE>Dec 6 17:43:28 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 03, 1997 at 08:04:45:
In Reply to: [7]new stuff on nycsubway.org (dave?) posted by Lefty on
December 02, 1997 at 21:19:00:
Nothing major is in the works. In fact, nothing minor is in the works.
If anyone has any ideas that would be fine but volunteers would be
better.
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POSTER>Lefty
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SUBJECT>"one good thing mayor giuliani hasnt taken credit for"
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Posted by Lefty on December 03, 1997 at 08:06:06:
an advertisement containing this text was removed from 70something
nycta buses by order of our mayor because it violated his privacy. it
was soon decided by a judge that the ads were completely legal and
they were reapplied to the buses. are there any other instances where
ads on nycta buses or subways were found inappropriate and were
removed?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: M-1 door control panel
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 03, 1997 at 08:09:42:
In Reply to: [7]Re: M-1 door control panel posted by Steve on December
02, 1997 at 23:46:10:
Such a system is in place on much of the rolling stock of the London
Underground and Paris Metro. I've long thought that it should be more
common. Not only is the weather factor important, reducing electricity
consumption for heating or cooling, it saves wear and tear on the
doors by a large amount. I'd guess anywhere from 25%-50% reduction in
door openings (more as you get further and further away from the
"downtown" area).
-Dave
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POSTER>Bill from Staten Island
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Posted by Bill from Staten Island on December 03, 1997 at 08:19:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Charles
Fiori on December 02, 1997 at 19:07:07:
I tried to look off the platform I could not see a ramp. In fact I
have looked all over the tracks and in the wide areas, I could not
find a ramp. The only thing I saw that might look like a ramp are the
tracks that go down to the portal were the N trains go out to Coney
Island.
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Posted by Lou on December 03, 1997 at 08:35:37:
In Reply to: [6]"one good thing mayor giuliani hasnt taken credit for"
posted by Lefty on December 03, 1997 at 08:06:06:
Umm, Hiz Honor got at temporary injunction and the adds are still off
until Thursday when the appeal is heard.
Don't know about other adds, I think there was some Jean one's that
showed young adults that were pulled.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on December 03, 1997 at 08:48:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin (JR) on
December 02, 1997 at 20:41:27:
>>They use the track in this unused station to layup trains.(I guess
from 57 st.)I think your right. I believe there is a 3rd route
indicator button at 47/50 Rock that says 57th Layup on it. I'll look
for it on the way in to work tommorrow.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on December 03, 1997 at 08:50:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Hank Eisenstein on December 03, 1997 at 07:33:52:
I am waiting to find out how they will give the free rides as well. My
normal habbit is to buy $21 worth of fare just because that's easy in
paper money and gives an even amount of rides (execpt when I take the
very rare S.I. Express bus and the $4 throws my whole plan out of
wack).
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 03, 1997 at 09:37:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Hank Eisenstein on December 03, 1997 at 07:33:52:
In reference to the $3 bonus on a $15 farecard, I do not see why this
will not potentially benefit a majority of riders. Getting an extra $3
on a card for free is an incentive for people to buy a lot of rides at
a time, which saves work for the token booth (a phrase soon to become
as odd as "dialing a phone") person, and subliminally encouraging more
transit use.
Here in the Nation's Capital where I live, we get a 10% bonus on any
fare card purchased for $20 or more. You get the bonus every time you
put at least $20 into a farecard machine for a single card. If you are
trading in an old card, you must add at least $20 to it. Needless to
say, that is the only size farecard we buy in our family, except for
the $5 daypass.
Personally, I think a 20% bonus may be too much on a $15 purchase in
New York. I would think a 10% bonus may be enough to get people to
take advantage of it.
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 03, 1997 at 10:05:39:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA equipment posted by Mark S Feinman on December
02, 1997 at 14:06:54:
Yes, the 2200 series (Budd, 1969) were the last cars purchased by the
CTA with "blinker doors", as you said because of the need to make the
cars ADA accessible. They were recently rebuilt, and still run on the
Blue line in mixed trains with 2600 series cars (which have sliding
doors).
They run all day -- the only times you won't see them is late at night
and
on Sundays when they only run two car trains (all of the cars are
married
pairs).
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Posted by Dave on December 03, 1997 at 11:40:26:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Interstate rapid transit systems posted by david
vartanoff on December 03, 1997 at 04:00:14:
You're correct - I was thinking in terms of one fare without changing
trains.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 03, 1997 at 12:17:36:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Steve on December 02, 1997 at 23:55:24:
A "low value" warning is more important for EZ Pass than for a
MetroCard. If someone drives up to an EZ Pass lane at a toll booth and
doesn't have sufficient value, it will be a major headache all around
(especially at rush hour). On the other hand, if you go to enter the
subway and your MetroCard has no remaining value, usually you can just
go to the nearby token booth and add value (of course, it's not quite
so easy with a bus).
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 03, 1997 at 14:17:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR Hunterspoint posted by Peter Rosa on December
02, 1997 at 16:49:22:
I thought that the Hunters Point Avenue station was used by diesels,
because they were not allowed into Penn Station.
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POSTER>Tim Speer
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 03, 1997 at 14:44:15:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR Hunterspoint posted by Wayne Johnson on
December 03, 1997 at 14:17:40:
Diesels can't be prohibited in Penn Station -- Amtrak goes there too!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 03, 1997 at 15:12:24:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR Hunterspoint posted by Tim Speer on December
03, 1997 at 14:44:15:
Yes, Amtrak serves Penn Station but not with diesels. The Northeast
Corridor is entirely electric-- diesel locos are changed on to trains
at Washington and New Haven for trips further south or north. The
Albany line is diesel but uses dual mode "Genesis" diesel/electric
locos for a short distance out of Penn.
-Dave
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on December 03, 1997 at 16:04:41:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR Hunterspoint posted by David Pirmann on
December 03, 1997 at 15:12:24:
LIC and Hunterspoint Ave. serve as the western terminal for 12 am and
11 pm weekday diesel trains. Here is how they break down by route:
AM
--
LIC - HP via Main Line to JAM then east (3 trains)
LIC - JAM via Penny Bridge then east (2 trains)
HP via Main Line to JAM then east (7 trains)
PM
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JAM - HP via Main Line (6 trains)
JAM - HP via Main Line - LIC (3 trains)
JAM - LIC via Penny Bridge (2 trains)
At HP you can connect to the 7 at Hunterspoint Ave. and at LIC you can
connect to the 7 at Vernon-Jackson.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 03, 1997 at 17:05:55:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR Hunterspoint posted by Ted Shaine on December 02,
1997 at 14:33:52:
The LIRR originally intended to approach Manhattan by an extension of
the Atlantic Ave line almost 150 years ago. This attempt failed. It
then built the Montauk Line from Long Island City, where there was a
ferry from around 34th St in Manhattan, which ran until the tunnels
from Penn Station were finished. Hunterspoint Ave Station is on the
tunnel line near the Queens portal, which allows diesel powered
consists (as to Port Jefferson) to pick up Manhattan passenger
traffic. You can walk from LIC to Hunterspoint a lot easier than you
could switch a train between the two.
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 03, 1997 at 17:49:46:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Alex
LaBianca on December 02, 1997 at 22:06:32:
Yes, this spur is in Manhattan... When the N/R train pulls out of
Whitehall Street, look out the window on the right side... You will
find the beginnings of two tubes... Not very long in depth (maybe only
10 ft., if that much)...
As for Robert Moses, I think he should of built the tunnel for the
trains, and keep the bridge for the cars, as it is now... NYC is
supposed to be united...
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 03, 1997 at 18:00:19:
In Reply to: [7]Re: LIRR Hunterspoint posted by David Pirmann on
December 03, 1997 at 15:12:24:
David:
I have a question... Since you mentioned how the Northeast Corridor is
electrified, which you happen to know why some sections of the Long
Island Rail Road (eg. points east of Babylon, Huntington, and
Ronkonkoma) never received electrified rails instead of having these
diesels? And, do you know if LIRR is planning to electrify the entire
system? If you electrify everything, wouldn't that improve service...
Then, certain lines like the LIC-Jamaica stretch can be improved or
given over to the NYCTA so that they can use for a subway (eg. a
cross-Queens line running from JFK to Flushing)...
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 03, 1997 at 18:04:18:
In Reply to: [6]Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by J. Ritter on
December 02, 1997 at 18:27:04:
Boy this subject has a life of it's own! My personal belief is that
the stories of a tunnel "Having been started" are confused references
to the work that was done when the 4th ave. line was built to provide
for a connection to Staten Island. I have heard that this was at 59th
St., but that doesn't make a lot of sense. The Narrows aren't all that
narrow until the Verazanno Bridge site is reached. No engineer would
attempt a crossing, Tunnel or Bridge, at any other point. The tracks
continue south of the platform at 95th st. and 4th ave., which
qualifies as a stub tunnel heading, doesn't it? I postulate the
following: 1) What we see today south of 59th st is the ramp to the
surface for the N. 2)Provision was made to extend the 4th Ave. line
from 95th st. to a Staten Island Structure, when and if built. 3)This
is the "Start of construction" often referred to, because the start of
an under-the-Narrows tunnel would have required massive expenditures.
and I'll add, 4)The connection was never built because there was
little support from those living on Staten Island at that time for
Subway access. Moses went with the flow. Today, it sounds like you
would like to do it over, but the milk is already not only spilled,
but dried up and blown away!
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Posted by Daniel on December 03, 1997 at 18:06:58:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Mark S Feinman on
December 02, 1997 at 13:57:05:
To my knowledge, there is no trackbed behind the walls... However, I
believe that putting the trackbeds would not require much work at this
station...
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Posted by Daniel on December 03, 1997 at 18:07:25:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Mark S Feinman on
December 02, 1997 at 13:57:05:
To my knowledge, there is no trackbed behind the walls... However, I
believe that putting the trackbeds would not require much work at this
station...
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Posted by Daniel on December 03, 1997 at 18:08:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin (jr) on
December 02, 1997 at 20:43:42:
And you didn't get caught?! BRAVEMAN!!!!
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 03, 1997 at 18:30:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Daniel A.
Valles on December 03, 1997 at 17:49:46:
I think I know what you are seeing East of Whitehall! This is where
the Nassau st loop joins with the Broadway subway to use the Montague
St tubes to Brooklyn! All of us jumped to the conclusion that the
Court St. station referred to was the one which now serves as the
Transit Museum. And all of this, needless to say, has NOTHING to do
with Staten Island service.
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POSTER>Daniel
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Posted by Daniel on December 03, 1997 at 18:41:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: extension of any NYC subway line? posted by Andrew
Byler on December 02, 1997 at 23:57:49:
Actually, one option is to continue the #5 pass Dyre Avenue and into
Westchester County... Since the 5 operates as an express during
rush-hours in the 3 boroughs it runs through, adding a couple of
stations up to New Rochelle (possibly Rye, but let's not get crazy)
would not be a bad idea...
Other lines where they could extend service are the E,F,J & Z lines...
Since they are building the 63rd Street Connection, why not add a
couple of stations that extend out further into Queens... Have the F
run along Hillside Avenue until Springfield Boulevard, the E turn
after the Parsons/Archer station, go back to Hillside, join up with
the F, and contiue along until Springfield, and leave the J/Z where it
is because this line makes many stops in Brooklyn and Queens...
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POSTER>Philip E. Dominguez
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Posted by Philip E. Dominguez on December 03, 1997 at 19:15:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: new stuff on nycsubway.org (dave?) posted by David
Pirmann on December 03, 1997 at 08:04:45:
Dear Dave,
I have many photo's of trains I could contribute but I do not have
access to a scanner. As soon as I get a chance I will scan them and
e-mail them to you.
- Phil
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Posted by Ogre on December 03, 1997 at 19:29:12:
I recently saw a posting regarding the extension of the subway, and
people were giving their ideas... I have some ideas; some are strange,
and others are just downright ludicrous, but let's see the input I get
back from it... What I will do is list each of the lines, and give my
opinions:
#1/9 - Would be nice if the line would extend further than 242nd
Street, but since this is a local line, I'd leave it alone...
#2 - Leave it...
#3 - I would extend it father than New Lots Avenue, but I have two
problems with that: a) Where and how far? and b) the rail yard is
there, so the tracks would have to be relocated...
#4 - Being a former resident of the Bronx, I always wanted this train
to extend beyond Woodlawn... My recommendation is to run it along
Jerome Avenue, turn at 238 Street, and run it until Katonah Avenue...
That way, people in this area may have an easier access to the
subway...
#5 - I want it to go to New Rochelle, but that is NEVER going to
happen...
#6 - Leave along...
#7 - There have been enough postings on extension beyond Main Street
and Times Square, but I would extend it to the north to where College
Point is at rather than using the Port Washington ROW...
A - By far the longest line in the city... DON'T EXTEND IT!!
B - Rated the worst line by a New York newspaper, I say reduce the
service in Manhattan instead of extending it to the Bronx in '98...
C - Leave... Once it moves over permanently to 168 Street, it'll be
fine...
D - I like the idea proposed in the long post by Bobby dealing with
the Second Avenue subway... But, I would run it on Buhre Avenue as far
as Boston Road...
E - Extend service to Merrick Boulevard, then go SW to Linden Blvd...
F - Extend service to Springfield Boulevard and Hillside Avenue...
G - I would extend the current service to Church Avenue, and have the
F run express from Jay Street until Church Avenue...
J/Z - Though plans were brought up about extending this, I wouldn't do
it... This line makes many stops in Brooklyn and Queens, so making
more stations would just delay service...
L - Bring service back to Canarsie Piers... I hate to wait for the B42
(I think) and taking this bus to the Piers... Service did exist
before, but ir ran on the street... Elevating the line may work, but
severe reconstruction would have to occur at Rockaway Parkway...
M - Leave...
N - Extending it beyond Ditmars Boulevard is not a bad idea, but only
if this train were to run express in Manhattan... RE-OPEN THE BRIDGE!!
If not, build a tunnel, or use the F train tunnels... Theey are
severly underused...
Q - What will happen to this line once the 63rd Street Connection is
complete? Someone mentioned that there are platforms on the other side
of the walls at the Lexington Avenue station... Why not use this
platform, and provide service up 2nd Avenue... Then, instead of
running over the 6th Avenue line, it can run along Broadway... That
way, both Broadway and 6th Avenue would have 2 express lines and 1
local line (the B,D & F on tne 6th Ave., and the N,Q & R on
Broadway)... Since there are tunnels in place in some sections
underneath 2nd Ave., they wouldn't have to build many more tunnels...
R - Extend service to SI, at least until an SIRR station, so that way
all the trains in the city can be united...
The Shuttles - Keep the 42nd Street shuttle, but extend the Franklin
Avenue shuttle beyond Fulton Street... maybe up to Lafayette Avenue,
so that way another transfer can be provided along this line (the
transfer would be at the Bedford/Nostrand station on the G)...
Well, I have rambled long enough... I know many people out there are
going to complain about my ideas, but it's worth a shot... Sorry again
about the long post... I hope I can trigger even more ideas...
Sincerely,
Daniel A. Valles a.k.a. "Ogre"
Senior, Pace University
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Posted by Ogre on December 03, 1997 at 19:33:21:
I recently saw a posting regarding the extension of the subway, and
people were giving their ideas... I have some ideas; some are strange,
and others are just downright ludicrous, but let's see the input I get
back from it... What I will do is list each of the lines, and give my
opinions:
#1/9 - Would be nice if the line would extend further than 242nd
Street, but since this is a local line, I'd leave it alone...
#2 - Leave it...
#3 - I would extend it farther than New Lots Avenue, but I have two
problems with that: a) Where and how far? and b) the rail yard is
there, so the tracks would have to be relocated...
#4 - Being a former resident of the Bronx, I always wanted this train
to extend beyond Woodlawn... My recommendation is to run it along
Jerome Avenue, turn at 238 Street, and run it until Katonah Avenue...
That way, people in this area may have an easier access to the
subway...
#5 - I want it to go to New Rochelle, but that is NEVER going to
happen...
#6 - Leave along...
#7 - There have been enough postings on extension beyond Main Street
and Times Square, but I would extend it beyond Main Street north to
where College Point is rather than using the Port Washington ROW...
A - By far the longest line in the city... DON'T EXTEND IT!!
B - Rated the worst line by a New York newspaper, I say reduce the
service in Manhattan instead of extending it to the Bronx in '98...
C - Leave... Once it moves over permanently to 168 Street, it'll be
fine...
D - I like the idea proposed in the long post by Bobby dealing with
the Second Avenue subway... But, I would run it on Buhre Avenue as far
as Boston Road...
E - Extend service to Merrick Boulevard, then go SW to Linden Blvd...
F - Extend service to Springfield Boulevard and Hillside Avenue...
G - I would extend the current service to Church Avenue, and have the
F run express from Jay Street until Church Avenue...
J/Z - Though plans were brought up about extending this line, I
wouldn't do it... This line makes many stops in Brooklyn and Queens,
so making more stations would just delay service...
L - Bring service back to Canarsie Piers... I hate to wait for the B42
(I think) at Rockwaway Parkway... Service did exist before, but it ran
on the street... Elevating the line may work, but severe
reconstruction would have to occur at Rockaway Parkway...
M - Leave...
N - Extending it beyond Ditmars Boulevard is not a bad idea, but only
if this train were to run express in Manhattan... RE-OPEN THE BRIDGE!!
If not, build a tunnel, or use the F train tunnels... Theey are
severly underused...
Q - What will happen to this line once the 63rd Street Connection is
complete? Someone mentioned that there are platforms on the other side
of the walls at the Lexington Avenue station... Why not use this
platform, and provide service up 2nd Avenue... Then, instead of
running over the 6th Avenue line, it can run along Broadway... That
way, both Broadway and 6th Avenue would have 2 express lines and 1
local line (the B,D & F on tne 6th Ave., and the N,Q & R on
Broadway)... Since there are tunnels in place in some sections
underneath 2nd Ave., they wouldn't have to build many more tunnels...
R - Extend service to SI, at least until an SIRR station, so that way
all the trains in the city can be united...
The Shuttles - Keep the 42nd Street shuttle, but extend the Franklin
Avenue shuttle beyond Fulton Street... maybe up to Lafayette Avenue,
so that way another transfer can be provided along this line (the
transfer would be at the Bedford/Nostrand station on the G)...
Well, I have rambled long enough... I know many people out there are
going to complain about my ideas, but it's worth a shot... Sorry again
about the long post... I hope I can trigger even more ideas...
Sincerely,
Daniel A. Valles a.k.a. "Ogre"
Senior, Pace University
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Posted by Ogre on December 03, 1997 at 19:35:49:
In Reply to: [7]Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as they
may be!)(long post) posted by Ogre on December 03, 1997 at 19:29:12:
Sorry about this post... I put it on before spell-checking it...
Whoever controls Subtalk, could you delete this post... THANKS!!!!!
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Posted by subway-buff on December 03, 1997 at 19:36:55:
Does anyone know if they are planning on reopening these tracks. On
11/29/1997, I went throught here(on foot) and saw workmen clearing the
tracks of all the rubble. I crossed the bridge and it looks lioek they
are doing track work on the B'way tracks. Does anyone know the plans
when the 6 av tracks are closed (if they reopen the B'way tracks)
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POSTER>G.A.R.
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Posted by G.A.R. on December 03, 1997 at 20:15:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago Transit Planning posted by Andrew Byler on
December 02, 1997 at 23:28:49:
A couple of thing come to mind:
1. Why do all of the proposed suburban extensions end at shopping
centers....How about something more practical, like a park and ride
lot.
2.Since the only extensions built in recent years have been the
airport lines, maybe they should build that 3rd airport at
Peotone....anyhow thanks for
the info.
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Posted by G.A.R. on December 03, 1997 at 20:16:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago Transit Planning posted by Andrew Byler on
December 02, 1997 at 23:28:49:
A couple of thing come to mind:
1. Why do all of the proposed suburban extensions end at shopping
centers....How about something more practical, like a park and ride
lot.
2.Since the only extensions built in recent years have been the
airport lines, maybe they should build that 3rd airport at Peotone....
thanks for
the info.
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Posted by Bobw on December 03, 1997 at 20:22:42:
In Reply to: [7]Wilmington, Delaware posted by Timothy on December 02,
1997 at 09:31:51:
If you look at Wilmington's population (city, less than 100K, metro
area probably around twice that) and geography, you see that the
population density is quite low for a Northeastern metro area and the
area is not very transit oriented. DART is a good bus system but
doesn't have a high level of usage. It would be difficult to pin down
one particular corridor and throw rail into it to solve any
"problems". Perhaps the major commuter corridor that could support
rail is Wilmington-Newark, but the right of way, other than Amtrak's,
is not readily available. Wilmington-West Chester is busy but has the
same problems, and it barely supports the SEPTA bus service provided
there (and Delaware is ready to throw in its subsidy of this line).
It would be nice to do something but it's probably, realistically, not
going to happen in today's funding climate. However, Wilmington is
allegedly looking to study a downtown circulator (possibly heritage)
line using part of Market Street that is now a pedestrian mall. So,
maybe there is hope that trolleys or rail transit will appear in
Wilmington once again. Of course, there is always the old P & W car
built into a restaurant down on French Street...
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SUBJECT>How does a subway get extended?
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Posted by BJ on December 03, 1997 at 20:44:42:
What are all the steps that a subway or Rapid Transit Line goes
through before getting extended?
Iknow that the TA has to approve it and have enough funding for it.
But do the people in the are where it is going to be extended to have
to approve of it also, and are there any other steps?
Also, do they ever consider getting higher speed trains?
If the Blue Line was extended to Schaumburg or the Skokie Swift was
extended to Old Orchard Shopping center they couldn't operate the
trains
making all the stops cause they would take to long of a ride. Or do
they Just conside Express Service on the current equipment?
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 03, 1997 at 21:00:52:
In Reply to: [7]Electricity (was Re: LIRR Hunterspoint) posted by
Daniel A. Valles on December 03, 1997 at 18:00:19:
A couple of reasons. Lack of power out there on the Island. Lack of
the Shoreham nuke. High power costs. The fact that third rail DC sucks
for mainline electrification. The cost of a substation with AC->DC
every mile is itself one of the more limiting factors. I seriously
doubt there will ever be anymore electrification on the LIRR. If there
is, my guess in order would be:
Port Jeff
Montauk
Oyster Bay
LIC
Greenport
I don't think the last 3 lines will be around much longer, and
Greenport will probbably never get electrified. But unless LILCO drops
their rates by at least 5 - 7 c/kwh, and the LIRR decided to actually
improve their service, I doubt anything will be extended beyond the
current boundries.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 03, 1997 at 21:56:36:
In Reply to: [7]Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as they
may be!)(long post) posted by Ogre on December 03, 1997 at 19:33:21:
Here's an idea -
Extend the L west from its current terminal at 8th Avenue, loop it
north along 10th and then 11th Avenues to serve the Javits Center,
turn it back eastward at some point north of Javits (maybe in the
50s?), and connect it to the 8th Avenue local line, possibly using the
lower level at 42nd Street. Obviously, there would be some obstacles
to any such extension, such as the 8th Avenue lines at 14th Street,
but if they could be overcome there would be some major benefits. The
Javits Center would finally get subway service, as would West Chelsea
and Hell's Kitchen.
Comments?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 03, 1997 at 22:00:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Gary
Jacobi on December 03, 1997 at 18:30:33:
Those stub ends at Whitehall Street are on the right side of the N and
R trains as they leave the station toward Brooklyn - in other words,
heading in the general direction of Staten Island and on the other
side of the N and R tunnel from the Nassau Street loop.
I don't see how they could be related to the Nassau Street loop.
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Posted by Joe-m on December 03, 1997 at 22:37:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "one good thing mayor giuliani hasnt taken credit
for" posted by Lou on December 03, 1997 at 08:35:37:
I think it was a CK jean ad. that was pulled about two years ago
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POSTER>A. Scarpinato
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Posted by A. Scarpinato on December 03, 1997 at 22:51:11:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Peter Rosa
on December 03, 1997 at 22:00:40:
I've said it before here: The only practical way it could happen would
be in conjunction with a double decked-like 63rd street- tunnel
combining freight from Bay Ridge with passenger service. It should
emerge into the extant South Beach right of way at Hylan Blvd, with
freight going over the rehabilitated bridge tp NJ and revived
passenger service from Rosebank old South Beach station, and all
former North Shore stops and spurs.
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POSTER>Mike K
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Posted by Mike K on December 03, 1997 at 23:00:24:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Lou from Brooklyn on
December 03, 1997 at 08:48:02:
There is a button like Lou is talking about, but I don't think it's at
Rock Ctr. I believe it's at 57th Street.
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POSTER>Mike K
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Posted by Mike K on December 03, 1997 at 23:07:50:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Peter Rosa on December 03, 1997 at
21:56:36:
Great idea... only one problem: would you terminate the line at the
lower level of 42nd Street, or have it run back downtown and connect
with the L at Eighth Avenue.
The idea of a one-directional loop might actually make something like
this feasible.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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SUBJECT>Re: Chicago Transit Planning
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Posted by Andrew Byler on December 03, 1997 at 23:23:05:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Chicago Transit Planning posted by G.A.R. on
December 03, 1997 at 20:16:05:
Its not entirely correct to say that these places are mere shopping
centers. They are major points of employment, with large
concentrations of office parks, industrial parks, etc. If you are ever
out in Chicago, take a ride out I-90 beyond O'Hare and then turn down
I-290 to Schaumburg and you will se what I mean. There are hundreds of
thousands of jobs out here.
To give you another example, in my area, Philadelphia, there are now
nearly as many jobs out by King of Prussia Mall (1.8 million square
feet of retail space - the world's record!) in various office and
industrial parks as in Center City Philadelphia (about 275,000). There
are several very fortunately placed rail lines which string together
these pearls of employment along the city's northern suburbs
(connecting to Plymouth Meeting/Blue Bell, Fort Washington, Langhorne,
Oxford Valley, etc.) which are eventually to be turned into a new
commuter rail line, when SEPTA finally gets its act together in terms
of planning.
The suburbs are where it is happening in most metropolitan areas.
Andy
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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SUBJECT>Re: extension of any NYC subway line?
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Posted by Andrew Byler on December 03, 1997 at 23:32:04:
In Reply to: [7]Re: extension of any NYC subway line? posted by Daniel
on December 03, 1997 at 18:41:32:
So long as you are talking Queens, let me make my own suggestions:
E to Laurelton/Rosedale out the LIRR as planned (you just need to
punch the end of the tunnel ramp through to the surface). F to
Springfield as you mentioned, with express service the entire length
of Queens Blvd. provided by whatever line ends up running through the
63rd St. tunnel, as this will also be a 6th Ave. express, while the F
is the 6th Ave. local and is only express to 71st. St. in Queens.
When hell freezes over and a subway is built to replace the J/Z, talk
about its extension can commence.
As to the 5 going north, I've asked this before and never heard back -
how much row from the Westchester is left? I know that the cut through
Mount Vernon was filled in, but north of the Metro-North line, I
believe the row is intact, although occupied by infernal roads north
of Heathcote. I personally think it is a grand idea, and will continue
to push it. Its even better with the eventual connection to the 2nd
Ave line (after all, that project is just DELAYED, not abandoned!).
Andy Byler
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POSTER>"John B. Bredin"
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References: <63rdkm$p24$1@kahlua.quuxuum.org>
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> Posted by Charles Fiori on October 21, 1997 at 14:54:26:
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> In Reply to: [5]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Wayne
> Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 12:02:58:
>
> One may remember a unique sign at the east end of the Flushing train
> plat at GC. "HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS"
> ____________________________________________________In Chicago, at the LaSalle-Congress station on the Blue Line subway, many of the
original 1950s signs survive. These include one at the top of the escalator:
LADIES, MIND YOUR HEELS.
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Posted by Steve on December 04, 1997 at 00:02:09:
In Reply to: [7]Re: M-1 door control panel posted by David Pirmann on
December 03, 1997 at 08:09:42:
In Buffalo, it's only used in the downtown area wher the trains run in
the streets. It's not used at stations in tunnels
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by James A. Tesoriero on December
01, 1997 at 21:48:27:
Sorry to disappoint you but it's not so. The Bs are R-68As and will
still be based in Coney Island. While the R-68s and 68As may be
compatinble, they are never mixed because they have different braking
systems. R-68 have NY Air Brake while the 68As have wabco. Besides, in
1999, the R-68s will likely be taken off the D line. Looks like
they'll be replaced with R-42s
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on December 04, 1997 at 00:39:07:
In Reply to: [6]NYCTA RADIO system posted by Charles Fiori on December
01, 1997 at 14:50:50:
for those wanting the freq's for NYCTA RADIO SYSTEM, the new 1998
radio shack police call is out out in radio shack stores, i picked one
up on tuesday dec 2, 1997 in the cross county shooping mall in
westchester county. this book has the freq's numbers.
charlie muller.
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Posted by Sammy on December 04, 1997 at 03:11:56:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Peter Rosa on December 03, 1997 at
21:56:36:
What a great idea. There is some trackage (although I think it is
still privately owned) that runs from Hudson St. to the Javitrs before
going underground to points unknown.
The latter part of chelsea, long given up for dead, has become a
vibrant community once again. Mass transit to 23rd street (besides
buses) would benefit the Chelsea Piers. Many galleries have abandon
SoHo for chelsea, and with the opening of the Williams Sonoma
warehouse on 10th in the late 20's, it would be a perfect fit for the
rising economics of the community.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on December 04, 1997 at 09:20:24:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Electricity (was Re: LIRR Hunterspoint) posted by
Philip Nasadowski on December 03, 1997 at 21:00:52:
There's another reason too, at least for the Oyster Bay line. When I
was growing up in Roslyn, the conventional wisdom was that the
residents from Roslyn up through Oyster Bay did not want
electrification when the LIRR was proposing it. The stated reason was
that it would "urbanize" the region too much.
There is actually a teenie part of the OB line that is electrified,
from Mineola to East Williston. The third rail ends about 1000 feet
east of Hillside Avenue; there is a cross-over to turn M-1/M3 trains.
The LIRR has always run one train a day (weekdays only) over that
track to keep the third rail shiny and happy. It deadheads to EW, then
becomes the 7:28am from EW to Penna Station, arriving at 8:14am. I
recall riding it once (in the early 70's?) and it made EVERY STOP from
Mineola to Jamaica, including Floral Park (which has a very rarely
used third platform on the westbound main line local track), Queens
Village, Bellaire, Hollis, and Union Hall Street. Since then and now
in modertn times it has returned to a normal route, bypassing the
local stations west of New Hyde Park which are served by the Hempstead
Branch.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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SUBJECT>Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as they may be!)(long post)
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 04, 1997 at 09:25:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Peter Rosa on December 03, 1997 at
21:56:36:
At one time, there were plans to have the east end of the 14th St.
line in Manhattan have a branch so that eastbound 14th St. trains
could also turn south onto Avenue C, turn west onto Houston Street,
then merge with the northbound 6th Avenue Subway at 2nd Avenue.
Combining this plan with the Javits Center plan would make a great way
to have a heavily travelled new crosstown line, half of which already
exists and is underused. It could even be the train that goes through
the 63rd St. tunnel to Queens via 6th Avenue after entering the 2nd
Avenue station, allowing the Q train to run on Broadway again.
BTW, I believe the Canarsie pier extension of the Canarsie line was a
trolley car, not the Subway. So the #42 bus became the (un)natural
free-transfer replacement.
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Posted by sdc_foti on December 04, 1997 at 09:55:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin (JR) on
December 02, 1997 at 20:41:27:
Or you can walk into either the upper or lower tunnels heading into
Manhattan on the catwalk if "All" doors are locked. Be careful though
tight squeeze if a train is laid up in there.
Sherman
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Posted by sdc_foti on December 04, 1997 at 09:55:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Serafin (JR) on
December 02, 1997 at 20:41:27:
Or you can walk into either the upper or lower tunnels heading into
Manhattan on the catwalk if "All" doors are locked. Be careful though
tight squeeze if a train is laid up in there.
Sherman
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Posted by Dave on December 04, 1997 at 09:56:05:
In Reply to: [7]Re: commuter rail in NY other than MNRR posted by Mark
S Feinman on December 02, 1997 at 13:50:12:
>
Why in the world run a LR line for only 3 miles? I understand this was
supposed to be part of a much larger system but how can this thing
break even, let alone make money, on only 3 miles?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on December 04, 1997 at
00:08:15:
When the B/C North Term switch takes place can we assume that R-68A's
will be stored at both Coney Island and Concourse yards. If so, then I
guess it's possible that we could see an occasional D train with
R-68A's and B train using R-42's??? I'm looking for any small hope of
75 footers not completely disappearing from the D line. It was tragic
for me the first time and I'm dreading the day it happens again.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 04, 1997 at 10:38:30:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 04, 1997
at 09:25:56:
> BTW, I believe the Canarsie pier extension of the Canarsie line was
a
> trolley car, not the Subway. So the #42 bus became the (un)natural
> free-transfer replacement.
Prior to the rebuilding of the Canarsie line in the 1920's, elevated
trains
ran at ground level using overhead trolley wire from Sutter Ave. to
the
Canarsie Pier. When it was rebuilt and elevated to New Lots Ave., and
began running service with Subway cars, a terminal/transfer station
was
built at Rockaway Parkway, and the section from there to Canarsie Pier
was serviced with trolley cars (along the private right-of-way, about
2-3
blocks west of Rockaway Parkway). Busses along Rockaway Parkway
replaced the trolleys around 1950.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 04, 1997 at 12:16:03:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by A.
Scarpinato on December 03, 1997 at 22:51:11:
Went to the TA museum ast night, picked up a book entitled 'The
Subway' by Stan Fischler...
Inside the back cover, there is a map covering th 'expanded rapid
transit facilities-New York City transir system'
among othe things, it shows a subway down Ft. Hamilton Parkway, and a
branch off of that line labeled 'brooklyn-staten island' line...It
also shows a line to college point and bayside, apparently off th
Flushing Line, the 63st tunnel connecting to Queens Blvd , aut at thr
B'way/36st station (the tunnel seems frtter up manhattan...) the
infqamous 2ave line, a line on morningside ave, a line called 'utica
ave line, nostrand ave line, ..I'll try to scan it in and put it up...
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 04, 1997 at 12:23:37:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on December 03, 1997 at 09:37:00:
but what of those who can't usually affford a $15 card (like myself)
I usually wind up paying with change if I'm staying on SI, so I have
what little money I am able to put on a Metrocard for when I make the
trek to the bronx to see my girlfriend (I live in Staten Island)
zTo top that off, I don't get my free transfer 1/2 the time..I'm
working on timing the trip, but it's not easy...
-Hank
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Posted by Lou on December 04, 1997 at 12:40:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by Mike K on December
03, 1997 at 23:00:24:
I look this morning on the uptown local track (F) at 47th-50th Street
Rock. Ctr Route Selection buttons. There are 4, one for the normal F
route to Queens, one for 57th Street (Q/B) service and one marked
"57th St. Non Revenue" which I assume is for the Layup tracks.
Err, I said four button, there is a cancel button .
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 04, 1997 at 12:42:14:
In Reply to: [7]Re: commuter rail in NY other than MNRR posted by
Bootsy on December 02, 1997 at 16:05:35:
Yes, they do open. I'm not sure if the M-2/4 have them, but the others
have windows that open by tilting in like NYCTA cars. It's easy to
miss because the section that tilts in is pretty small (about 5 inches
in height). Other than that and the paint differences they are
identical in appearance.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 04, 1997 at 12:51:37:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas ... (Canarsie through service) posted
by Ed Sachs on December 04, 1997 at 10:38:30:
The ROW ran between E95st and E96 st in brooklyn...right behind my
grandparents house....some of the wire spports were still there a few
years ago (My grandmother has since moved)
-Hank
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 04, 1997 at 13:08:59:
In Reply to: [7]Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as they
may be!)(long post) posted by Ogre on December 03, 1997 at 19:33:21:
>> #6 - Leave along...
I'd extend the #6 into Co-Op City so passengers there can have a one
seat ride into Manhattan. Of course, this would increase capacity on
an already-overutilized East Side IRT .....
--Mark
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 04, 1997 at 14:05:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some ideas ... (Canarsie through service) posted
by Ed Sachs on December 04, 1997 at 10:38:30:
Don't forget that a great deal of the need for the original service
density to the pier ended when boat service to the Rockaways was
discontinued, as well as the amusement park rides. Anybody have an
idea of what date those events occurred?
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Posted by Bill Campbell on December 04, 1997 at 14:07:30:
I have noticed while riding the 33st/Hoboken line the deserted 21st
station. I have seen an old advertisement on the wall of the station
for the old broadway musical Carousel.....My curiosity wants to know
the history of this station...and...where is the street entrance?
Anyone know?
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 04, 1997 at 14:20:16:
In Reply to: [6]PATH 21st Station posted by Bill Campbell on December
04, 1997 at 14:07:30:
I believe it is the 19th Street Station you can see. There used to be
a 19th St and a 28th St. Station. One was abandoned, one was destroyed
when the IND 6th Avenue Subway was built. Even the current 33rd St.
station isn't the original station.
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Posted by Ogre on December 04, 1997 at 16:39:44:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Peter Rosa on December 03, 1997 at
21:56:36:
Actually, that isn't a bad idea... Then, if Steinbrenner decides to
keep the Yankees in the City, and use the West Side Yards for the
location of the Stadium, subway service can still be provided to
Yankee games, and can severly reduce the already congested area...
One thought: Didn't an elevated train run through the area years ago
(I believe 10th Avenue)... The remains of an el still stands... Maybe
they should use it...
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Posted by John Crowley on December 04, 1997 at 17:04:26:
I'm curious about the old Cedar Street Subway in Newark, the
three-block streetcar/bus tunnel to Public Service terminal built in
1916 to relieve downtown congestion. I know the last bus ran out of
there in 1966; I know the Washington Street portal is still there, and
I know the PS terminal was torn down, but does anyone know if anything
is left of the stations or loop?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 04, 1997 at 17:30:56:
In Reply to: [6]14th Street Subway posted by Faline Fox on December
02, 1997 at 15:17:12:
Here I go overextending my knowledge again because nobody else has
answered you! I am not sure of the Manhattan side, but I expect it was
mostly cut and cover because when they deep-rock tunneled the 6th ave
express tracks in 1963, they claimed it was a first. In Brooklyn I'm
sure it was cut and cover, because my father told me hundreds of times
how he fell into the open excavation at Hart St. in Bushwick, breaking
his arm in the process.
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Posted by Tipper on December 04, 1997 at 17:36:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: new stuff on nycsubway.org (dave?) posted by David
Pirmann on December 03, 1997 at 08:04:45:
i always thought a segment on station design would be good.
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Posted by Eric on December 04, 1997 at 20:23:55:
In Reply to: [7]Re: "one good thing mayor giuliani hasnt taken credit
for" posted by Joe-m on December 03, 1997 at 22:37:54:
Yeah, it was a CK ad w/ minors shown half-naked, 14 - 17 year old
males & females
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Posted by wsteil on December 04, 1997 at 20:27:18:
In Reply to: [7]Re: NYCTA RADIO system posted by charlie muller on
December 04, 1997 at 00:39:07:
There is an excellent listing of NYC, LI, and countless other radio
frequencies at:
http://www.panix.com/clay/scanning/frequencies/new-york-city.shtml
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Wayne Johnson on December 04,
1997 at 10:08:51:
When the R-68s begin their mini-overhaul in 1999 they will be linked
into 4-car units like the R-68As. As they complete overhaul, they will
be transferred to Coney Island. They will then be replaced with 60'
cars. The R-42s are the likely candidates because the there will be
380 R-42s, which is exactly what will be necessary to make up for the
loss of 296 75' cars. Another possibility will be a mix of R-32s and
R40s (not my choice). As for seeing 75' cars from the B on the D, it's
not likely but would be done if necessary. Service is the name of the
game.
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POSTER>yestotom
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Posted by yestotom on December 04, 1997 at 22:46:06:
question to statistics freaks
which city has the longest subway system
london or new york
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Posted by GAR on December 04, 1997 at 22:47:08:
In Reply to: [6]How does a subway get extended? posted by BJ on
December 03, 1997 at 20:44:42:
Well I'm not a transit planner but here's my two cents:
First the route extension would have to be justified thru a study
(rideship
projections ect.) Then comes the fun part;The funding & control fights
between TA's cities, state(s)& the feds.
Then the ROW must be approved. Communities are making it very
difficult today for all types of transport. Highway expansions,
airport noise restrictions ect. When involving a city TA expanding
into the suburbs it will be intensified by typical city-suburban
conflicts; fears of crime,racism; of city government expanding its
influence in suburban communities.
Often the suburban controlled and state funded heavy rail agencies
have an easier time expanding service by utilizing exsisting freight
rail lines. The routes are perceived to be used to carry suburbanites
into the city; though increasingly they are used by city dwellers to
commute to jobs in the suburbs. They also have fewer stops and have
longer average trip distances. Finally, it's much more glamorous for
the pols to cut the ribbon
on a new transit extension than fully funding exsisting services and
making
necessary capital improvments.
cap
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 04, 1997 at 22:59:56:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Ogre on December 04, 1997 at
16:39:44:
Those remains you see on the west side are part of an elevated freight
line. It originally ran as far as where the entrance of the Lincoln
Tunnel is now located, then was cut back to around Bank Street in the
West Village. Service ended completely maybe 15 - 20 years ago.
From what I've heard, parts of the elevated structure have been taken
over by adjoining property owners, so any resumption of service might
be impossible.
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on December 05, 1997 at 00:34:20:
In Reply to: [6]subways posted by yestotom on December 04, 1997 at
22:46:06:
according to the 1997 guinness book of records london has the most
extensive underground or rapid transit railway system in the world. it
has 244 miles of route, of which 86 miles is bored tunnel and 20 miles
is ''cut and cover'' the whole system is operated by a staff of 14,
000 people; there are 267 stations and 3,985 cars form a fleet of 547
trains. passengers made 764 million journeys in 1994-1995.
charlie muller
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Posted by Kevin Gillespie on December 05, 1997 at 01:55:59:
I would like to see my communtiy incorporate a tram system.
I need some general information so I can at least sound
intelligent. I would appreciate your help.
1)Who are the major manufactures of electric cars?
2)What are the most popular and the best designed?
3)What is the difference between light and heavy rail?
4)What do trains run on? AC/DC. What is the most efficient?
5) How do 3rd rail compare with overhead sytems? Are they
cross utilized on some lines?
6) Are third rail systems live and therefore a hazard to
pedestrians... therefore the reason they are not seen in
street rail systems?
7) What does a modern car cost?
Thanks in advance! Please e-mail reply.
KJG
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Posted by Sammy on December 05, 1997 at 03:14:08:
As a frequent rider of the G or L lines, I have touched often on the
G. With all the postings going on about the L....
Something should be/has to be done. Service is slo due to a two-track
system, even though the amount of people riding the Canarsie Line has
increased dramatically. Why?
1) Williamsburgh/Greenpoint population growth
2) Union Sq - one of the heaviest traveled transfer points in the
system
3) Only line that really services the east - crosstown wise
Clealry what is needed is another tunnel (perhaps four tracks) that
will allow the L and the J, M, Z, to share passageways to Manhattan.
Once across in Manhattan, the J can divert downtown, the L uptown
(down B or C) to 14th and across 14th. Perhaps the tunnel should
connect to Houston St where the route diversion can occur. That would
allow for the rebuilding of the Williamsburgh Bridge, and the economic
development of Aves B and C.
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SUBJECT>Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of 145th St in the Spring
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on December 04, 1997 at
21:50:22:
You are absolutely right, Steve, that service is the name of the game.
And I would not expect a decision to be made for any other reason.
HOWEVER! From the rail fan's perspective, 75' cars (with full width
cabs) belong on such "thrilling" rides as the C, E, and G. 60' cars
with corner cabs and rail fan windows belong on those with the best
views... such as the Brighton Line, etc. My ride on the Q a few weeks
ago was super!
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POSTER>Lefty
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Posted by Lefty on December 05, 1997 at 08:08:48:
In Reply to: [7]Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Kevin
Gillespie on December 05, 1997 at 01:55:59:
some LRV's (Light Rail Vehicles) are manufactured by Boeing. You can
probably go to their website to find out more. They use overhead
wires. This is a necessity for LRV's running on streets where people
have to walk and cars have to drive.
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on December 05, 1997 at 08:14:26:
I've noticed on my trips to Hoboken that NJT & Red Apple Lines both
run buses from there to Port Authority Bus Terminal in Manhattan. I
would like to ride the Red Apple bus, but I can't seem to find any
info about it other than that the fare is 1.25 & lower than NJT's 1.50
on its #126 bus. Do the two lines follow identical routings besides on
Washington St. in Hoboken? Also, what is Red Apple's headway & do they
still have any new-look Flxibles in their fleet? Any information would
be much appreciated!
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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Posted by Arjan Kal on December 05, 1997 at 08:19:10:
I'm searching for information about a moving platform edge. I've heard
from a friend who visited New York that at some stations the platform
edge can shift towards the train to fill the gap between the cars and
the platform edge.
Is there anyone who can tell me more about this system and its
operation?
I'm living in the Netherlands so I can't go searching for the system
myself ! If there is anyone who could send me some photograps or other
information about the system I would be thankfull.
Kind regards
Arjan Kal
(5 december 1997)
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Posted by Arjan Kal on December 05, 1997 at 08:19:27:
I'm searching for information about a moving platform edge. I've heard
from a friend who visited New York that at some stations the platform
edge can shift towards the train to fill the gap between the cars and
the platform edge.
Is there anyone who can tell me more about this system and its
operation?
I'm living in the Netherlands so I can't go searching for the system
myself ! If there is anyone who could send me some photograps or other
information about the system I would be thankfull.
Kind regards
Arjan Kal
(5 december 1997)
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Posted by si2000 on December 05, 1997 at 08:21:06:
In Reply to: [7]Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by J. Ritter on
December 02, 1997 at 18:27:04:
The 'tunnel' was to branch off at 59th Street, head west under Owl's
Head
park, then under the Narrows to SI. Supposedly the covered-up shaft is
still visible in Owl's Head Park. The SI shaft (location???) was
supposedly
filled in with the dirt from the construction of the VZB and SIE.
NO ONE ON STATEN ISLAND WANTS A TUNNEL!!! We are taxpayers and
realize that such a project would cost billions and would serve too
few
people. The MTA should concentrate on adequate and reliable express
bus service, not pie-in-the-sky boondoggles.
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POSTER>Tim Speer
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 05, 1997 at 08:22:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Lefty
on December 05, 1997 at 08:08:48:
Don't some LRV's use sunken third rails between the tracks?
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Posted by si2000 on December 05, 1997 at 08:53:53:
In Reply to: [7]The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by Lou
from Middletown on December 01, 1997 at 13:42:09:
I wasn't crazy about MetroCard at first. I was very comfortable with
the large
$4.00 express bus tokens, plus I lost a MetroCard with $60.00 on it.
But
now I think it is the way of the future, with some improvements. I
don't keep
it in my wallet, but in a leather 'bus pass' type case. I use it daily
on the SI
express buses, but find that I now use the local buses and subways in
Manhattan more than in pre-card days.
The ultimate MetroCard would have -
1) automatic-replenishment similar to the succesful e-z pass toll
collection
system which bills your credit card when the balance is low.
2) A better reading mechanism on the buses, the current 'toaster'
design
is a bit time-consuming and as the equipment ages, will surely start
eating
up some cards.
3) Universal usage on franchised and non-franchised private buses,
vans
and anything else that moves on wheels in NYC.
4) Usable on PATH and NJT commuter buses.
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Posted by Lou on December 05, 1997 at 09:07:00:
In Reply to: [6]Moving Platform posted by Arjan Kal on December 05,
1997 at 08:19:27:
In the NYC subway system there are stations with moving platforms or
gap fillers to get rid of the space between the car and platform edge.
Two that come to mind are the South Ferry stop on the #1 and the
downtown side of 4/5/6 trains at 14th Street. Both stations are built
on curves so there is a large space between the car and the platform.
I don't know much about the technical aspect of the gap fillers, they
are medal grates that are extended to the car side. At south ferry it
is a fairly large gap and as the patform of this filler is moved out
it comes with chains and such. I think the south ferry is manualy
operated by a person in the station.
At 14th street it is a much smaller space between the car and
platform, I don't frequent that station though.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 05, 1997 at 09:24:53:
In Reply to: [7]Canarsie Line (from prev. posts) posted by Sammy on
December 05, 1997 at 03:14:08:
There's another reason for the sometimes slow service on the L.
Because of some ventilation problems, only one train at a time is
allowed through the East River tunnel - making it essentially a
one-track operation. If/when that problem is fixed, there should be
some improvements.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 05, 1997 at 09:42:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
si2000 on December 05, 1997 at 08:53:53:
"The ultimate MetroCard would have -
1) automatic-replenishment similar to the succesful e-z pass toll
collection system which bills your credit card when the balance is
low."
Response: EZ-Pass is used at the relatively few toll booths in the
area, where lots of computer equipment can be stored, where one
EZ-pass radio retransmitter is at the read at a time because they are
in cars that are at least 8 feet apart. Each person's account can be
read and updated easily. Can you imagine making each Metrocard a $50
radio retransmitter that only reads the one at the bus driver or in
the turnstile. Besides, would you like a central computer to know
which bus and train you take all the time?
A better answer is putting an updating machine in subway stations. You
input your credit/debit card or cash and the card is incremented by
the amount you want.
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"3) Universal usage on franchised and non-franchised private buses,
vans
and anything else that moves on wheels in NYC. "
Response: If they are not franchised by the state/city, how could the
driver/owner collect the money owed to it when it kept track of the
use of it? Each use of a Metrocard does not actually deposit money in
somebody's bank account. And if it did, there would have to be
franchising or some business with the Metrocard distributor, i.e. the
MTA.
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"4) Usable on PATH and NJT commuter buses."
Response: NYC and NJ would have to agree on that. Why not have a NJ
version of the Metrocard? Then each state could control its own
system. Merging them isn't a bad idea, but it's hard to get two states
to agree, especially when the systems are not integrated. In DC where
I live, a multi-state agency exists and there is one rail system for
all three places (MD, VA, DC).
But really they are great ideas whose time may come someday. Actually
when our money switches to universal legal tender debit cards someday,
that may happen.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 05, 1997 at 09:49:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS" posted by Lou on
December 05, 1997 at 09:07:00:
We should explain that the moving platforms are only about 4-5 feet
wide, just enough to match each train door. The station platform
itself never moves, just a metal grating similar to a combed escalator
step that juts out in front of each door after the train has stopped.
When the train leaves, pressure from the train hitting them causes
them to close (like an open CD player drawer when you push on it), I
think.
I don't think there are any others besides SB 14th St on the Lexington
Avenue (4,5,6) and the South Ferry station on the Broadway local
(1,9).
Another way this was done on the old Lexington Ave. inner loop
platform at South Ferry was to have a wall blocking access to the
train along the entire platform and cutouts in the wall at each center
door location to allow one to get on the train. Once the very old cars
were taken out of service, nothing fit there anymore so it is only
used as a looop to turn around #5 trains after Bowling Green.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: Hoboken-PABT Buses: NJT #126 Vs. Red Apple
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 05, 1997 at 09:55:22:
In Reply to: [6]Hoboken-PABT Buses: NJT #126 Vs. Red Apple posted by
Michael S. Buglak on December 05, 1997 at 08:14:26:
I've never seen any Red Apple bus schedules anywhere. Being that they
are so small they probably don't have any printed materials for
riders. I rode it twice a couple of years back with new look Flxibles.
I know they have Grumman 870's now, but they may still have some new
look Flxibles around. Also NJT actually lowered their fare to compete
with Red Apple. We used to call it the Apple bus, but when I rode it
the fare was $1 and I think NJT at the time was $1.90. Yes, they have
an identical route from Hoboken Station to PABT via Washington Street.
It was almost comical to see a nearly empty NJT #126 bus followed by a
Red Apple bus with several passengers aboard.
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POSTER>Tim Speer
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 05, 1997 at 10:22:44:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS" posted by Carl M.
Rabbin on December 05, 1997 at 09:49:44:
What causes the platform extenders to retract is pressure of the train
against rollers which are mounted in a sprung housing. I imagine once
the roller is pushed in a certain amount, a proxy switch then causes
the platform to retract.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 05, 1997 at 10:45:24:
In Reply to: [6]Moving Platform posted by Arjan Kal on December 05,
1997 at 08:19:27:
Don't know if the gap fillers are still there, but there used to be
gap fillers at the Times Square end of the Grand Central shuttle. Up
until fairly recently, a conductor had a paid job at which all he did
was crank the gap fillers into position when the train arrived. It
actually was a large "throw" switch, which he would have to squeeze
and then throw over to make the gap fillers extend.
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Posted by Louie on December 05, 1997 at 10:47:19:
Has there ever been a trolley run on Lexington Ave. in New York City
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Posted by Louie on December 05, 1997 at 10:50:41:
Has there ever been a trolley run on Lexington Ave. in New York City?
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Posted by Lou on December 05, 1997 at 10:53:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS" posted by Tim Speer
on December 05, 1997 at 10:22:44:
Just to add, both South Ferry and 14thSt Lex Ave have a signal the
train operator can see to note the status of the fillers. As the gap
filler is extended the light comes on, as the train leaves SLOWLY
until the light goes out..
Also at south ferry, if you look at the wall across from the
Conductor's point of veiw there is a box hanging with four or five
lights all with a big 5 on them. Depending on how the train is
position in relation to the gap fillers one of the 5's will light up
(I assume the middle one would mean the best in the middle position).
Maybe this light is telling the conductor that all the gap fillers are
lined up right (only the first 5 cars fit in the station at south
ferry).
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on December 05, 1997 at 10:57:33:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform posted by Charles Fiori on
December 05, 1997 at 10:45:24:
Yes, the Times Square Shuttle gap filler is still there. It is now
activated by the motorman by a push button at either end of the train
(OPTO, you know!). There are two panels on each end, one for "IN" and
one for "OUT".
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POSTER>Michael B.
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Posted by Michael B. on December 05, 1997 at 12:42:00:
In Reply to: [7]Re: subways posted by charlie muller on December 05,
1997 at 00:34:20:
Charlie M.-
What are the respective stats fot NYC transit?
-Michael
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 05, 1997 at 12:51:12:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS" posted by Carl M.
Rabbin on December 05, 1997 at 09:49:44:
>> Another way this was done on the old Lexington Ave. inner loop
platform
>> at South Ferry was to have a wall blocking access to the train
along the
>> entire platform and cutouts in the wall at each center door
location to
>> allow one to get on the train. Once the very old cars were taken
out of
>> service, nothing fit there anymore so it is only used as a looop to
turn
>> around #5 trains after Bowling Green.
The Bowling Green - South Ferry shuttle was discontinued around 1978 -
I think R12/R14 series cars were used to service the shuttle. I think
the cars were wired so that the center doors would not open. I never
rode the shuttle so perhaps others who have can "fill in the gaps", so
to speak.
Also, the cutouts in the wall at South Ferry have more to do with the
fact that the inner loop platform there was built behind the major
retaining wall of the two track loop under Battery Park. Engineers
felt that building a regular platform would compromise the integrity
of the tunnel, so openings in the wall that would line up with the
Lo-V end doors were punched through the wall, and the platform was
built behind it. At City Hall, on the other hand, whose loop is just
as sharp, cast iron fences were built with openings in them for the
Gibbs Cars, Hi-Vs and Lo-V doors. The train would stop and the doors
would hopefully line up with the openings. Careful examination of the
City Hall Loop platform yields markings of where these fences were.
(Lots of steel dust on the platform).
The abandoned portion of the Brooklyn Bridge express platforms (IRT
#4/5) at the south end of the station also have the same type of gap
filler found at 14th Street. The SOuth Ferry outer loop platform was
refusbished recently, so the gap fillers there are much newer.
Anyone know if the abandoned Worth St platform had 'em, too?
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 05, 1997 at 13:02:09:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Lefty
on December 05, 1997 at 08:08:48:
No! Don't use Boeing as an example. Their LRVs were some of the worst
mankind has ever had to deal with. Boston and San Francisco got them
in the 70s (I think) and they were nothing but trouble from day 1. San
Francisco still has occasional runaways when they MU them together.
They're prone to breakdowns. Some never ran at all and were stripped
of parts to enable the others to continue running.
Boeing may make great airplanes but they are not the leaders on the
rapid transit business (They also built the Chicago CTA 2400 or 2600
series which fared better) or LRVs. They tried this in the 70s when
airplane orders dropped significantly as an alternate source of income
and a possible venture into new business. It didn't work out.
Some of the more popular manufacturers of LRVs are Siemens-Duewag (San
Diego Trolley, St Louis Metrolink), Kinki-Sharyo (Buffalo, Boston
Type-7s) and Kawasaki (Philadelphia ex-Red Arrow Lines Media and
Sharon Hill). There are others to be sure.
--Mark
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Posted by Timothy on December 05, 1997 at 13:03:13:
When reconstruction of the Market-Frankford Line's West Philadelphia
el
structure begins, I've heard that they are going to demolish the
entire
el structure, and build a completely new one. Can anyone confirm this
with
me? If that is true, Does that mean that none of the existing el
structure
and/or its stations are going to be saved? I know that the stations in
West Philadelphia were rehabilitated, and modernized in the 1980's,
and I
feel that it would be stupid to tear them down. I just hope they will
save
at least part of the West Philly el, as they did with the Frankford
el.
Also, Does anyone know when the new Market-Frankford Line trains are
going
to be put into regular service? Thanks.
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SUBJECT>Any Els In London?
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Posted by Timothy on December 05, 1997 at 13:11:55:
Can anyone tell me if any part of London's subway system runs on
elevated
structure? Also, Do Paris, and other European cities with large rapid
transit systems have elevateds, similar to New York's, and Chicago's
els?
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SUBJECT>Walking Tour: "A Train Buffs History Tour", Sponsored by the 92nd St 'Y'
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 05, 1997 at 13:38:31:
Saw this in today's (12/5) New York Times in the "Spare Times"
section, page E-39, under "Walking Tours". Quoting:
"A Train Buff's History Tour". A tour that includes a trip along the J
line, New York's oldest subway route. The tour concludes with a visit
to the LIRR West Side Yard. Sunday at 10am. Fee: $20.00, not including
subway fares. Sponsored by the 92nd St Y. Meeting place and
reservations: (212) 996-1100.
I know parts of the J line elevated structure date back to the 1890s
but is this really the oldest subway route in NY?
--Mark
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 05, 1997 at 13:50:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Mike K on December 03, 1997 at
23:07:50:
Advantages of a one directional loop is that you would only have to
paint and clean one side of the cars' exterior!!! I think in Glasgow
or someplace like that, such a procedure is actually followed.
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POSTER>Walter
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Posted by Walter on December 05, 1997 at 15:10:18:
In Reply to: [6]Any Els In London? posted by Timothy on December 05,
1997 at 13:11:55:
I don't know about London, but bits and pieces of subway lines in
Paris run overground on el structures, mostly when they cross the
Seine or some other natural obstruction to subway tunneling. The
Berlin subway/el system, though, was first built (1902) as an el
(Warschauer Bruecke to Knie, I think) with the last couple of stations
in a subway, because the people living in the fancy suburbs
(Charlottenburg, which was not yet part of the city of Berlin) didn't
want els running through their neighborhoods.
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POSTER>bill
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Posted by bill on December 05, 1997 at 15:44:07:
In Reply to: [6]SEPTA's Market-Frankford Line Reconstruction posted by
Timothy on December 05, 1997 at 13:03:13:
YES! IT IS TRUE! SEPTA ANNOUNCED IN AN ISSUE OF THE WEST PHILADELPHIA
VOICE THAT THE MARKET STREET EL WILL BE DEMOLISHED FROM 46TH ST. TO
MILLBOURNE. THE NEW ELEVATED SUPERSTRUCTURE WILL HAVE SINGLE COLUMN
SUPPORTS INSTEAD OF THE CURRENT DOUBLE ONES. ALL OF THE STATIONS WILL
BE MODERNIZED AND AS TO YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE TIME WHEN THE NEW
EL CARS WILL BEGIN USE, YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE. I HAVE HEARD
ESTIMATES FROM THE END OF 1997 TO WHEN THE EL WILL BE REBUILT
ENTIRELY, IN 2004( MY EYES BUGGED OUT WHEN I SAW THAT YEAR TOO.) I
HAVE RODE ON IT 3 TIMES AND CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR EAGERNESS TO SEE THEM
IN FULL CIRCULATION. THE TRAINS HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACED SINCE 1961!
EVEN NEW YORK HAS GOTTEN NEW TRAINS( ABOUT 4 SETS) SINCE THEN. I HAVE
ALSO HEARD THROUGH SOME OTHER SEPTA LITERATURE THAT AFTERWARDS THE
SEPTA TUNNELS( INCLUDING THE BROAD STREET SUBWAY) WILL RE-EXPERIENCE
THIER SALAD DAYS. BUT DONT LOOK FOR NEW CARS THERE FOR A WHILE. SO TO
END LET ME LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF SEPTA EXTENDED
THE RIDGE AVENUE SUBWAY ALL THE WAY UP RIDGE AVENUE THROUGH MANYUNK
AND ROXBOROUGH. THAT WOULD BE NICE. SO I HOPE YOU CAN SET YOUR MIND AT
EASE
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POSTER>Serafin Jr
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 05, 1997 at 15:59:19:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyc 2nd Ave subway posted by sdc_foti on December
04, 1997 at 09:55:27:
Or you can walk into either the upper or lower tunnels heading into
Manhattan on the catwalk if "All" doors are locked. Be careful though
tight squeeze if a train is laid up in there.
It looks like you squeeze there one time or other. If anyone has any
intersting story on walking the rails (Finding lost subway tunnel)
please post on what and how you got there. I know there many storys
out there
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 05, 1997 at 16:07:04:
In Reply to: [6]Any Els In London? posted by Timothy on December 05,
1997 at 13:11:55:
Paris has a large number of elevated lines. Without looking at the
map, I can tell you that the western 1/3 and the eastern 1/3 of Line 6
on the Left bank is elevated, just like on White Plains Road,
Roosevelt Avenue, or New Utrecht Ave, as is some of Paris line 2, some
of line 5 and others. Some are rubber tire type, some are plain metal
wheels.
Vienna has an elevated line U6, which used to be left-hand running
using ancient tram cars and called the Stadtbahn (unrelated to German
S-bahn type lines), but now is right-hand running as a U-bahn. It runs
over a street with apartment houses and stores. It reminded me a lot
of Jerome Avenue and Roosevelt Avenue.
Hamburg has elevated and open cut lines, one elevated running right
along a river in the port area, others running over streets.
Frankfurt has one high-platform line (U-1,2,3 combined) running in the
center of the street on PRW except at intersections. To get on the
train, you used to have to go below ground from the sidewalk and then
come up onto the platform. Now I think they have stairs right from the
crosswalk.
A lot of the outdoor lines in London are on PRW, like the Brighton
Line in Brooklyn. Mostly only the lines inside the Circle line are
underground. Many of the London Underground line outdoor tracks can be
and are shared with British rail trains, like the train to Kew Garden
and Richmond, and the BakerLoo to Queens Park.
Philadelphia has one line with 4 track express service, almost all
underground (standard gauge, trains the size of BMT-IND), and one line
that is all elevated except for from 2nd to 46 St.(wide gauge, trains
the size of IRT).
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 05, 1997 at 16:11:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Moving Platform posted by Todd Glickman on
December 05, 1997 at 10:57:33:
They are not the same as at Union Sq, are they? Aren't they just
wooden pieces about 6 inches below the platform that stick out so when
you trip and fall, you won't land all the way down on the track? Or
have I just by luck usually ridden on the one without moving
platforms? Just unsure, that's all, and I don't want the guy in the
Netherlands to be misinformed.
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 05, 1997 at 16:11:42:
If anyone has any intersting story on walking the rails (Finding lost
subway tunnel) please post on what and how you got there. I know there
many storys out there.
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POSTER>Serafin Jr
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 05, 1997 at 16:12:24:
If anyone has any intersting story on walking the rails (Finding lost
subway tunnel) please post on what and how you got there. I know there
many storys out there.
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on December 05, 1997 at 16:13:33:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS" posted by Mark S
Feinman on December 05, 1997 at 12:51:12:
Well, there is a Transit Museum tour of the Worth Street station this
weekend so whomever goes on that tour, could you give us a full
report, including whether there are gap fillers?
P.S. Where is Worth Street located relative to current subway stations
and on what line is it?
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Posted by Jr on December 05, 1997 at 16:21:11:
There are about a doz of M-1 laying off its tracks on the Sunny side
Yard. If you take the uptown 7 train from queenplaza and look east as
you past over the yard you will see the M-1. Sad to look at. I can not
see the MTA putting money to fix them. Look like it they service on
the D line in the bronx if it was possible. (Not dissing the Bronx I
live there.)
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POSTER>Pat Villani
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Posted by Pat Villani on December 05, 1997 at 16:21:20:
Sorry for the potentially repeated post -- I can't seem to be able to
access the archives. Anybody know of a Lionel-type NYC subway cars? I
seem to remember this coming up a short time ago and I'd like to
include the reference on my web site:
http://www.iop.com/~patv/railroad.html. Who knows, maybe I'll buy one
;-)
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 05, 1997 at 16:42:28:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS" posted by Adam on
December 05, 1997 at 16:13:33:
The Worth Street station is on the 6 line, not too far north of
Brooklyn Bridge station. You can dimly see it from a 6 train, or from
a 4 or 5 if there's no 6 in the way, though it's pretty dark.
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POSTER>Eric B
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SUBJECT>Re: Canal Street- Bridge Tracks
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Posted by Eric B on December 05, 1997 at 17:46:37:
In Reply to: [6]Canal Street- Bridge Tracks posted by subway-buff on
December 03, 1997 at 19:36:55:
I've now heard several tears now, as the beams under the tracks are to
be replaced. That's the same reason the nearly completed walkway next
to the tracks won't open.
The only question--will the 6th Av tracks hold out that long?
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on December 05, 1997 at 21:19:51:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
December 05, 1997 at 16:11:18:
They are only on the (let me think now) west end of one of the
tracks... I think it is Track 1 - that which is closest to the
transfer corridor.
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POSTER>louie
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Posted by louie on December 05, 1997 at 21:29:20:
In Reply to: [7]Trolley System in New York City posted by Louie on
December 05, 1997 at 10:50:41:
Has there ever been a trolley line on Lexington Ave. in New York City
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Posted by subway-buff on December 05, 1997 at 21:52:49:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform posted by Todd Glickman on
December 05, 1997 at 21:19:51:
There are two kinds of platofrms. The Times Square shuttle are solid
and udner the platform. Union Square *4/5/6) and South Ferry (1/9)
have the slotted kind that are level with the platform. AT those
stations ther is a a proximity sensor that tells the conductor how
many cars will make the platform.. The platforms are now computerized.
Source; Joe Cunningham at Curios of East side iRT tour.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 05, 1997 at 22:58:14:
In Reply to: [7]Trolley System in New York City posted by Louie on
December 05, 1997 at 10:50:41:
New York Railways aka The Green lines operated a trolley line on
Lexington from 23 St to 131St. With a branch running off of 116St to
Lenox Av and then North on Lenox Av. to 146 St. They also had a car
barn on 99St and Lexington which is today 100St depot.
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SUBJECT>What's Your Daily Commute?
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Posted by GAR on December 05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
I thought I would post my daily commute for the subtalk readers and
see if
anyone was interested.....
I currently use mass transit daily, taking Metra's BNSF route from
Aurora IL to Union Station Chicago; walk across to Northwestern
Station then take the UP North Line to Evanston. Occasionally CTA's
Evanston Express from Evanston to the Loop going home (longer trip
time/ higher train frequency than the UP) It's about a 2 hour trip
time (drive is about the same) but I would certainly benefit from the
proposed EJ&E commuter rail route....
On a scale of 1 to 10 I would rate the BNSF a 10 (clean & fast) the UP
4 (always late on a line w/o freight traffic) and CTA a 7 (high train
freq./express svc)
I wonder how many of the subtallk readers use mass transit in their
daily commute.....
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on December 05, 1997 at 23:53:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subways posted by Michael B. on December 05, 1997
at 12:42:00:
To Michael B: the mta /nycta has the most stations. there are 468
stations in a network that covers 238 route miles. it serves an
estimated 7.1 million people a day. also if you put all the tracks in
a single line, including the tracks in the yards and tracks in
abandoned stations all together it is 744 miles, you can go from nyc
to chicago on a one way trip. also the nycta had the worst accident in
the usa on november1, 1918 in brooklyn, when a brt line train derailed
on a curve on malbone street in the brighton beach. there were 97
fatalities on the scene and 5 more people died later from injuries.
the brt line went bankrupt on december 31, 1918 as a result of the
tragedy.
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POSTER>Tim Speer
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 06, 1997 at 00:00:35:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
I live in Boston and take the Orange line on the "T" from Forest Hills
to the Chinatown station, walk 6 blocks to South Station, and catch
the MBTA commuter rail train to Hanson, which is out on the South
Shore. It takes me longer than driving, but the reduced stress, plus
the fact that I love trains, makes it all worthwhile. An added plus is
that the monthly pass ($112.00) costs less than I used to spend in
gas, and included in that price is unlimited use of all subway and bus
lines in Boston!
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POSTER>Tim Speer
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 06, 1997 at 00:06:46:
In Reply to: [7]train being scraped posted by Jr on December 05, 1997
at 16:21:11:
Not possible -- M1's can't run on the IND... they're too long, among
other things!
Nothing wrong with The Bronx, my friend!
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 06, 1997 at 00:06:58:
In Reply to: [7]train being scraped posted by Jr on December 05, 1997
at 16:21:11:
Not possible -- M1's can't run on the IND... they're too long, among
other things!
Nothing wrong with The Bronx, my friend!
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on December 06, 1997 at 00:46:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Tim
Speer on December 05, 1997 at 08:22:34:
The "sunken third rails" you referred to are actually underground
conduit systems, used in NYC and DC. Not LRV (in the modern sense) but
streetcars used this system in cities where overhead wire was
forbidden. The system was related to the conduit developed for cable
traction, and very capital intensive. The DC system ran into the early
60's and in the peak years of the streetcar system the cars changed to
overhead wire as soon as the outer areas of the city were reached. No
electric conduit systems operate today.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on December 06, 1997 at 02:26:29:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Chicago Transit Planning posted by Andrew Byler on
December 02, 1997 at 23:28:49:
The Ford City extension of the Orange (Midway) line may not
be entirely a pipe dream. I was surprised to note on a
visit to Chicago in August that the roll signs on the
3200-series cars include a Ford City destination.
Apparently someone at CTA thinks that this one has some chance of
being built.
Anyone care to spin off a thread on unbuilt routes appearing on roll
signs? Off hand, I can't think of any other Chicago examples; in San
Francisco, I believe the new Breda cars have a "Mission Bay"
destination (I'm not sure of the exact description) on the roller; but
of course since this line is in an advanced stage of construction,
with revenue service to begin in January 1998, it's not as much an
exercise in optimism as CTA's Ford City sign.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH 21st Station
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 06, 1997 at 10:08:39:
In Reply to: [6]PATH 21st Station posted by Bill Campbell on December
04, 1997 at 14:07:30:
Just asking, but wasnt once a proposal to put some sort of H&M/Path
exhibit there once? I thoght I had hears something about that-or is ti
just another rumor????
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts)
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 06, 1997 at 10:13:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts) posted by Peter
Rosa on December 05, 1997 at 09:24:53:
Another reason for relatively slow service is that the line itself is
afairly slow running line due the many twists and turns it makes.The
BMT solved (or TRIED to solve) this by developing the MS articulated
trains, which could take these curves faster than a regular trainset.
Just a thought!
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 06, 1997 at 10:20:44:
In Reply to: [6]Walking Tour: "A Train Buffs History Tour", Sponsored
by the 92nd St 'Y' posted by Mark S Feinman on December 05, 1997 at
13:38:31:
The part of the elevated structure around Alabama Ave is the original
elevated structure from the late 1890's. I believe that it was not
even rebuilt during the Dual Contracts constuction of the
1910's-20's.But this will have to be answered by someone else!!
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POSTER>Sammy
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Posted by Sammy on December 06, 1997 at 10:58:44:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Tim Speer on
December 06, 1997 at 00:00:35:
For me, its pretty involved because of the location and times I
travel.
Hop on the G train at Nassau Avenue and take a long tunnel walk to
21/st Ely Ave (which if the trains still went to Queens Plaza, this
would be eliminated and easier, and safety [i.e. walking the tunnel
late at night] wouldn't be a concern) and take the E or F to Lex
Avenue. get out at Third Ave. side and walk 6 blocks to work.
-or-
Walk 12 blocks to the Canarsie Line (L) at Graham Avenue, Get off at
Union Sq. and take any Lexington Avenue line to Grand Central and walk
5 blocks. Failing that, I could take the Canarsie Line to Sixth Ave,
take the F to 47th Street and walk two blocks.
total travel time at nbight is 45 minutes as opposed to twenty minutes
door to door during the day.
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Posted by MIKE on December 06, 1997 at 12:52:50:
It's about time that NYCT restores 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service
because there is now a strong market for 6th Av service for that line,
this is how service should be restored:
1)Operate the "M" train from Metropolitan Av to either 21st St/LI City
or 57th St & 6th Av during weekdays & terminating at Myrtle Av during
evenings, nights & weekends as it does today, reletter the "M" train
to the "V" train so it doesn't confused "M" train riders with the
brown curtains thinking it's still going to Lower Manhattan.
2)Extend rush hour "J" trains from Broad St to Bay Parkway replacing
the rush hour "M" train in Southern Brooklyn & terminate service at
Broad st during middays & all "J" trains will NOW stop at Bowery with
the "Z" trains continuing to skip Bowery.
If anyone has any information on when 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service
will be restored or if anyone has the official plan, please post it.
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POSTER>Phil Marasca
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Posted by Phil Marasca on December 06, 1997 at 12:58:00:
In Reply to: [7]Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Kevin
Gillespie on December 05, 1997 at 01:55:59:
Answers to your questions as follows:1)There are more but most popular
are, ABB(Swiss-Swedish), Siemens(German), Bombardier(Canadian)
aforementioned all have assembly plants in the USA. Overseas Sumitomo
(Japan), Breda(Italy)
2)See question 1.
3)Heavy rail requires a grade separated right of way and high
level,i.e. car floor height platforms. Capacity is about 10000 riders
or more per direction per track, depending on platform length, speed,
signal system etc This is more than enough for all but the most
densely populated cities. All US cities that need it propably already
have heavy rail. Light rail can run in the street and use either high
or low level platforms. Capacity is 3000 riders or more per direction
per track.
4)Most modern transit systems use 750v dc. High voltage, ie AC @ 25Kv
60 Hz would not be practical for street railways for safety reasons.
The subway tunnels would have to be bigger than nessary for the
catenary, (overhead wires).
5)Some older suburban railways use overhead wires and 3rd rail, for
example Metro North(New York metro area). However if they were to be
built today they would probably use overhead catenary at AC 25 Kv @ 60
Hz or DC @ 1.5 or 3 kv.
6)Yes.
7)$1.8 to 3.5 million depending on complexity or if it is an off the
shelf(existing design) or custom designed in small quantities.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 06, 1997 at 13:12:39:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts) posted by Lou
from Middletown on December 06, 1997 at 10:13:12:
>The BMT solved (or TRIED to solve) this by developing the MS
articulated >trains, which could take these curves faster
>than a regular trainset. Just a thought!
Microsoft made a subway?
:)
-Hank
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POSTER>Phil Marasca
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Posted by Phil Marasca on December 06, 1997 at 13:14:48:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Peter Rosa on December 04, 1997 at
22:59:56:
How about an extension to Laguadia and JFK airports? The airports are
some of the biggest traffic generators in the NY metro area and the
MTA misses them by 2 to 3 miles. What's worse they don't seem to care!
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 06, 1997 at 13:18:18:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Last Word (hopefully) on MetroCard posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on December 05, 1997 at 09:42:14:
Metrocard acceptance on PATH has been suggested, and may eventually
come to be. As for it's use on Commuter busses, I don't see it, NJT
Commuter fares get to be pretty high, you'd be refilling your card
twice a week.
-Hank
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Posted by Bob Sklar on December 06, 1997 at 14:37:21:
In Reply to: [7]Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as they
may be!)(long post) posted by Ogre on December 03, 1997 at 19:29:12:
About your comments on extending the (F) line:
Someone once told me that the original intention when building the IND
Queens Blvd. line was to extend it along Hillside Av. as far as
Springfield Blvd. As my aunt and uncle have lived near there for the
past 46 years, I was always familiar with the fact that Hillside Av.
spreads out extremely wide at that point. The safety zones in the
middle were actually open to car parking at one time! When I asked
someone about it, that was what I was told, although I have never seen
the least reference to it on any map or plan. It makes sense since
179th St. is obviously not designed as a terminal station.
Bob Sklar
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Posted by Bootsy on December 06, 1997 at 15:31:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hoboken-PABT Buses: NJT #126 Vs. Red Apple posted
by Wayne Johnson on December 05, 1997 at 09:55:22:
I have a printed-out timetable that I obtained through the mail. The
Red Apple schedules are almost identical to NJT's - frequent service
(every five minutes or so) during the rush hours, 10-15 minutes during
the day, 20-30 minutes on weekends. Last time I rode it the fare was
$1.25 and it leaves from gate 230 at the Port Authority.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 06, 1997 at 15:37:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Dan
Lawrence on December 06, 1997 at 00:46:32:
What about the cable cars in San Francisco? Is it JUST a moving cable
under the street? Or is it a moving cable in addition to a third rail?
Or . . . is the moving cable aslo electrified? Or, maybe - is there NO
electricity flow to the cars at all?
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on December 06, 1997 at 16:23:42:
In Reply to: [7]O-27 Subway Car? posted by Pat Villani on December 05,
1997 at 16:21:20:
Mikes Train House (MTH) lists a "NY City Transit Set" in their latest
catalog as part of their "RailKing" line. The catalog illustration is
a rendering, not photography. The cars appear to be modeled after the
R-44/R-46 and are available in four car sets. The retail price for a
four car set with horn only is $199. With "ProtoSounds" which includes
squeeling wheels/brakes/station announcements etc., the price is $299.
The cars appear accurate except for one glaring error. The cars have
only three doors per side, and are for-shortened. No doubt to
negotiate the tight tinplate track radius. The color scheme as printed
in the catalog is not correct, but MTH assures me that it will be
accurate in production. They will be lighted and have complete
interiors.
Marx Trains has a true tinplate ("six inch tin") model of a CTA
elevated train that is loosely based on the 6000 series that used to
run in Chicago.
Their set No. 5777, "CTA Elevated Train", features "Lectra Sounds"
(chimes, whistle, eight different station announcements) and costs
$389.95 for three cars (again I said based loosely on the 6000's) plus
12 "track elevators" or stamped tin El bents. Also available is
additional El bents and a girder bridge with a CTA logo. The cars are
lithographed in the famous CTA Mercury Green, Croydon Chream and Swamp
Holly Orange color scheme. The lead car features a working headlight.
Funally, Kalmbach has a new book out by Dr. Peter Riddle on building
easy Lionel and other 027 layouts. Several of the layouts feature
track plans for incorporating an Elevated line.
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Posted by Bobw on December 06, 1997 at 16:57:55:
In Reply to: [7]Re: SEPTA's Market-Frankford Line Reconstruction
posted by bill on December 05, 1997 at 15:44:07:
Yes, the previous post just about says it all. I would add the
following.
The new M-4 cars SHOULD be in service by early '99 according to the
current projections. One 6-car train is in revenue service during
midday periods on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. A new married pair
(even though they can be disconnected, this is what they're being
called!) arrived late in November, and three 6-car sets are supposed
to be ready for service by New Years.
One note I would make is that the stations, apart from 60th St, were
not extensively rehabbed in the 80's. 60th St was completely rebuilt
in the mid-70's and is slated to get rebuilt again when the others get
it. The stations were relighted, repainted, etc but there are many of
the original aspects still there. One significant change is that the
stations will all get separate entry buildings (like Frankford), so no
more stairways right up from the sidewalk.
The project will take a while to complete since work will be done on
weekends and the El will be back in service on weekdays. This is also
similar to Frankford.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on December 06, 1997 at 17:07:48:
In Reply to: [7]How does a subway get extended? posted by BJ on
December 03, 1997 at 20:44:42:
Concerning your two Chicago-area examples:
1. I don't think the long-discussed extension of the Yellow Line
(Skokie Swift) to Old Orchard would cause any particular operational
problems. Old Orchard Road is only a couple of miles north of the
present terminal at Dempster Street. This would presumably entail no
more than additional three or four minutes of running time; express
service wouldn't be a consideration, since Dempster would be the only
intermediate stop.
2. I've been living outside the Chicago area for the last ten years,
and have not read much detail on the proposed Blue Line extension to
Schaumburg. Possibly someone in that area can fill in more, but it's
my understanding that the proposal is to diverge from the present line
somewhere east of O'Hare and continue to Schaumburg roughly following
the Northwest Tollway. Running time into downtown Chicago would
certainly be a problem without express service; and the present Blue
Line in the Kennedy Expressway median doesn't have many places where a
third, express track could be installed (though there is a longish
center track west of Jefferson Park which might be adapted as a
passing track). However, I believe the contemplated purpose for this
line is principally suburb-to-suburb, suburb-to-airport, and
reverse-commute service; rush-hour suburb-to-city riders would
probably mostly continue to use the parallel METRA Milwaukee-West and
UP Northwest trains, which are certainly faster than anything the CTA
could manage without sacrificing a lane or two of the Kennedy for
express tracks.
One possibility that occurs to me for getting around this problem
would be building a CTA-UP connection somewhere around Jefferson Park
and running Schaumburg (and O'Hare?) express service into North
Western Station. This might be a good RegioSprinter application, if
third-rail clearance on the CTA portion is not a problem.
(Oh, I'm just full of ideas for spending other folks' money!)
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on December 06, 1997 at 17:59:52:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
Well, the commute following isn't daily, but I do it a number of times
a month. I live in suburban Boston, and work at WCBS Newsradio-88
every couple of weekends:
I drive to downtown Boston, and park at my (weekeday) office there to
save $18/day in airport parking charges. The the Green Line from Park
Street to Government Center. Then the Blue Line from Government Center
to Airport. Then the #22 connector bus to Terminal A at Boston's Logan
Airport. Then the USAirways Shuttle from there to LaGuardia. Then the
Q-33 from LGA to Roosevelt Ave. Then the E or F to 5th/53rd. [Though
sometimes if the M-60 comes first at LGA I take it to Astoria Blvd.
and then the N to 7th/57th.]
Now there's a commute!!
But I agree with Tim regarding the Boston MBTA commuter rail pass. I
live in Zone 2, which is $72 per month. Since I have a mail
subscription, I get 12 for the price of 11. And $75 off my car
insurance every year. And all of the buses and subways I can ride all
month. And 2 for 1 on all mass transit every Sunday. As we say in NY,
"Suchadeal!"
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 06, 1997 at 18:14:29:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
My Daily Commute? Well, here's a typical commute:
LIRR 5:39 AM Brentwood to Penn Station (arrive 6:38AM).
8th Ave Subway uptown A to 125th St, transfer to C or D to Bedford
park.
(or variations on the above)
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POSTER>David Lee
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Posted by David Lee on December 06, 1997 at 18:40:07:
In Reply to: [6]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
My daily commute is quite simple:
G train from Grand Avenue-Newtown to Fulton Street-Brooklyn.
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Posted by shunya on December 06, 1997 at 19:01:58:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Hank
Eisenstein on December 04, 1997 at 12:16:03:
there's a partially build tunnel to Staten Island(you can see the
tubes divert from whitehall street going south bound) a conductor told
me that the tunnel was built up to the middle of the new york bay and
abandon(or somethin) because of pressure there......
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 06, 1997 at 21:19:55:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
Here's mine:
LIRR 6:41 from Medford, change at Ronkonkoma to the 6:57 to Brooklyn,
change at Jamaica for the next train to Penn Station, arrive at Penn
Station ~8:30. Then 7th Avenue express subway (2 or 3) to 14th Street,
walk east 2 blocks to 5th Avenue/14th Street.
In the evenings, I usually walk to Penn Station, for the 5:41 to
Ronkonkoma, changing to the Greenport shuttle, arriving Medford at
7:05.
Sometimes I instead go from Patchogue (longer trip but more flexible
scheudle and less crowded trains), taking the 6:53 with a change at
Jamaica, arriving Penn at about 8:40. Return is via the 5:51 to Far
Rockaway, changing at Jamaica for the Montauk express, arriving in
Patchogue at 6:25. Medford and Patchogue are in the same fare zones,
with interchangeble tickets.
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Posted by Steve on December 06, 1997 at 21:40:21:
I have noticed that when a train approaches on the IND underground,
there seems to be some sort of noise comming from the rails. It sounds
like some sort of electric voltage. The sound can only be heard when a
train approaches. Anyone know what this sound is?
Does anyone know where the NJ Transit yard is located in Long Island?
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Posted by Bootsy on December 06, 1997 at 22:48:55:
In Reply to: [6]MetroCard on PATH posted by Hank Eisenstein on
December 06, 1997 at 13:18:18:
I think that MetroCard acceptance on commuter bus lines would be very
convenient. A few times a month, I sometimes take the #193 bus to
Willowbrook Mall or the 165 to one of the Paramus Malls, and the lines
at the NJT ticket counters are usually quite long.
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Posted by Bootsy on December 06, 1997 at 22:52:48:
Are the #2 and 5 trains swapping equipment? Today, I noticed a few
trains of R-26-28-29 cars on the #2, and I assumed that the R-33s from
the 2 are going to the 5, and the 5's R-26-28-29 are going to the 2.
Is this true?
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 06, 1997 at 22:55:00:
In Reply to: [6]Track noise posted by Steve on December 06, 1997 at
21:40:21:
The NJ Transit equipment is kept at Sunnyside Yard in Astoria, Queens.
I guess this could be considered to be Long Island.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 06, 1997 at 23:28:03:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Sammy on
December 06, 1997 at 10:58:44:
WMATA Red line from Silver Spring, MD (Approx 7:50 AM) to Union
Station. Travel time: 15-25 minutes.
Before I moved from NYC - It was D train at Tremont Avenue (Approx. 8
AM), Change at 7 Ave for the E to Jamaica center. Travel time 60-75
min.
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Posted by Steve on December 07, 1997 at 00:10:06:
In Reply to: [7]Track noise posted by Steve on December 06, 1997 at
21:40:21:
The sount that you are likely hearing is the sound of the contact
shoes riding the 3rd rail.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 07, 1997 at 00:13:56:
In Reply to: [7]2/5 swap cars? posted by Bootsy on December 06, 1997
at 22:52:48:
Since E. 180th St shop is undergoing rebuilding, both the 2 and the 5
are operating from 239th St. yard. Trains are being stored at
Unionport but since both services are being maintained in the same
yard, it make sense to pull trains from that yard for weekend service
when needed. As far as I know - this is only done for weekend service
and no permanent swap is planned.
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SUBJECT>Ronkonkomo to Greenport
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Posted by Steve on December 07, 1997 at 00:17:39:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Peter Rosa on
December 06, 1997 at 21:19:55:
The shuttle is called the Scoot. It happens to be one of the highest
seniority jobs for LIRR Engineers
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Posted by Steve on December 07, 1997 at 00:18:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by David Lee on
December 06, 1997 at 18:40:07:
Brooklyn Tech?
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on December 07, 1997 at 00:36:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Bootsy
on December 06, 1997 at 15:37:31:
The cable cars of San Francisco are the last remnants of the era of
cable traction as developed in SF by Hallidie, Hovey, Eppelshimer, and
others. The principles of cable traction is very simple (the
technology isn't, the book "The Cable Car in America" by George Hilton
[prob. out of print now; check the ERA library] is the definitive work
on cable traction.) and the current cars are the genuine article: cars
grip and ungrip an endless cable running in the conduit. Lights are
provided by batteries, the conduit carries ONLY the cable.
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POSTER>Louie Miranda
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Posted by Louie Miranda on December 07, 1997 at 07:32:51:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Trolley System in New York City posted by Fernando
Perez on December 05, 1997 at 22:58:14:
Dear Fernando: I am most appreciative of the information you have
supplied to me. Many of my fathers' associates and some of his
children were trying to tell him that the Green Line never existed.
So again, I give you my thanks and also in behalf of my father.
If you would be so kind as to let me know how you attained this
information I will be most thankful to you.
Take care Fernando
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POSTER>Mike K
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Posted by Mike K on December 07, 1997 at 09:40:48:
In Reply to: [7]Walking Tour: "A Train Buffs History Tour", Sponsored
by the 92nd St 'Y' posted by Mark S Feinman on December 05, 1997 at
13:38:31:
I believe portions of the Franklin Avenue Shuttle may be older. The
old Brighton Beach railroad began service in 1878, and was later
extended to Franklin Avenue. This was in place before the turn of the
century.
Of course, the Brighton Beach railroad later became the Brighton Beach
line, now used by the D/Q.
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POSTER>Mike K
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Posted by Mike K on December 07, 1997 at 09:54:51:
In Reply to: [7]Re: PATH 21st Station posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
December 04, 1997 at 14:20:16:
Bill--
What you are seeing is the former 19th Street Station, which closed in
1954. I'm not exactly sure where the entrances were, but looking at
the station as you pass by (dim as the light is), I would presume
they're were very close to the intersection of 19th St and Sixth
Avenue.
(If you ride past that station, you can even see some of the early
1950s ads on the walls--at least through the dim lighting and whatever
reconstruction they've done.)
As for the 28th Street station, Carl is right--partially. Construction
of the 6th Avenue IND did not DIRECTLY impact that vanished station.
What happened is that construction of the IND forced the original 33rd
street station--which WAS at 33rd Street--to be moved south by a
block. When they did that, they also expanded the station. The
northern end is technically at 32nd Street, while the southern end
(not always open) is at 30th Street. When that was done, the 28th
Street Station was rendered useless and closed. I believe the 28th
Street Station disappeared because its space was taken when the tracks
to the 33rd Street terminus were realigned.
Michael
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on December 07, 1997 at 10:27:12:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
I debated on doing this, but, I figured, what the heck. Even thought I
don't use mass transit TODAY (I used to commute daily on the Baltimore
Metro & Light Rail) I figured my commuting pattern today would at
least be good for "shits & giggles". Keep in mind, I live in the
overpopulated state of West Virginia...........From Fort Ashby,
(Mineral County (I love that name)), I drive WV Route 28 south to "the
plant" in Moorefield (Hardy County). The whole drive takes about 50
mins. The real challenge is in the following: 1) dear--working the
"graveyard shift", avoiding the ensuing dear population is a REAL
challenge. I thought changing lanes on the Capitol Beltway was bad,
this is a trip. 2) Dear hunters---dear season or not, this IS West
Virginia...It gets really bad this time of year when dear season is in
effect & you get hunters from Baltimore & DC. 3) The roads, or the
condition thereof. It's not bad enough to throw the twists & turns in,
but, have they ever heard of guardrails? It can be a bit nerve
racking---especially in winter. All in all, it is safe to say that
whether you live in the city or sticks, each commuting pattern, be it
by rail or road, can be a real challenge at times. I hope y'all don't
mind this post--I fugured you'd get a good laugh. "Welcome to my
Nightmare"
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on December 07, 1997 at 11:05:19:
Yesterday, December 6, 1997, The Central Light Rail Line through
Baltimore and its northern & southern suburbs opened two new
extensions yesterday. The extensions to Baltimore/ Washington Int'l
Airport (BWI) and to Penn station (Amtrak) opened. Trains now either
run from Hunt Valley to Cromwell or Penn Station to BWI. Both routes
share trackage through downtown Baltimore & South Baltimore.
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Posted by J.D. on December 07, 1997 at 11:55:56:
Can anybody advise if there was ever a tunnel built or partly built
from the Bowling Green station to Staten Island...........I have
spoken to an inspector who worked at that station.he had told me that
appx. 250' into the tunnel a section veres off but it is closed off by
a cynder block wall..I have no E-Mail address just post the
message...I will probably rerad this again on the 14th please try to
have the answer.......thanks
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Posted by J.D. on December 07, 1997 at 12:04:06:
In Reply to: [6]Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island posted by
J.D. on December 07, 1997 at 11:55:56:
It also could have been The Whitehall Steet station........Sorry I
have forgotten which staion it was..
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 07, 1997 at 12:08:38:
In Reply to: [7]Ronkonkomo to Greenport posted by Steve on December
07, 1997 at 00:17:39:
I'm really wondering how much longer the Greenport train (the "Scoot")
will be around. In the mornings, there are maybe 40 to 50 riders by
the time it arrives at Ronkonkoma, while in the evenings (the train
which leaves Ronkonkoma about 6:50), there are *maybe* 25 to 30.
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 07, 1997 at 12:42:16:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Steve on
December 07, 1997 at 00:18:46:
I'm a Brooklyn Tech alumni. Any more out there?
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Posted by Jon Levy on December 07, 1997 at 12:47:32:
If any information pertaining to the above subject and the NYC Subway
system, could you please let me know, any help would be appreciated.
thanks.
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Posted by Steve on December 07, 1997 at 12:57:24:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Ronkonkomo to Greenport posted by Peter Rosa on
December 07, 1997 at 12:08:38:
Since the cost of maintaining non-electrified service is so high, that
segment of the line may be destined to become part of LIRR history.
Rxpansion of parking at Ronkomkoma should tell you something about
what the LIRR has in mind. The only hope will be either extension of
electrification or a Light Rail shuttle (my choice). I've also said
before, I'd really like to see an eastern spur from Ronkonkoma to
MacArthur...
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 07, 1997 at 12:58:57:
In Reply to: [7]Brooklyn Tech posted by Tim Speer on December 07, 1997
at 12:42:16:
Class of 67 - Electronics
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on December 07, 1997 at 13:07:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Steve on
December 07, 1997 at 00:18:46:
Yes- Brooklyn Tech. Class of '99- Bio-Chem Major(and I regret joining
this major)
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 07, 1997 at 14:43:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Ronkonkomo to Greenport posted by Steve on
December 07, 1997 at 12:57:24:
If service frequencies could be improved, ridership on the Greenport
line might improve - it's sort of a strange situation at present,
service is poor because there's low ridership and there's low
ridership because service is poor! There certainly is enough of a
population base east of Ronkonkoma to support increased service, and
no doubt many of these riders would prefer to get a train closer to
home than have to go to Ronkonkoma (despite the expansions, parking at
Ronkonkoma still fills up very early and there can be heavy traffic on
the LIE east of Exit 60).
What might be a possible compromise is to retain service as far as
Riverhead, including the proposed new Manorville station. At least
these areas are within feasible commuting distance of Penn Station.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 07, 1997 at 16:00:23:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Trolley System in New York City posted by Louie
Miranda on December 07, 1997 at 07:32:51:
I am a transit buff like everyone else who comes to this BBS. However
because I work for Mabstoa/NYCTA as a bus operator I have a deep
interest in the trolley system because many of Mabstoa lines are
inherited from the Green lines and Third Avenue railway trolley
systems. In fact many of the bus depots are former trolley barns
including Fresh Pond in Queens. Two books explain in detail these two
trolley systems including pictures of the depots and track maps. The
books are:
1. Third Avenue Railway System by NJ International, Inc
ISBN#0934088349
2. New York Railways-The Green Line Same as above ISBN#0934088306
I purchased my books at the Bradford trolley Museum at East Haven
Connecticut but maybe you can buy them over the internet through a
online book purchasing service.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 07, 1997 at 16:35:22:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by shunya on
December 06, 1997 at 19:01:58:
What you see there is all there is.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 07, 1997 at 16:46:22:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by si2000 on
December 05, 1997 at 08:21:06:
That's so much Bull. There's a very vocal minority who don't want the
expected 'problems' such a tunnel would bring. Add in those people who
don't want it anywhere near their homes (like the s61 people) and you
can't build it. It's been on a wish list for Islanders for
generations.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 07, 1997 at 16:54:35:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Brooklyn Tech posted by Steve on December 07, 1997
at 12:58:57:
I went to Brooklyn Tech....unfortunately, I was more interested in
majoring in the subway than in classes...transfered out to Curtis on
SI...what a pain in the butt commute it was, though....s55 to Annadale
Sattion, train to St. George, Ferry, R to Dekalb... Usually took 2
hours...
-Hank
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on December 07, 1997 at 18:21:37:
To borrow from a current concept, does anyone know if there has been
a study of actual and potential patronage throught the NYC area
showing, for example, by transit line: patronage per mile, potential
patronage, area served, etc? It seems that, even with free transfer
between buses and subways, that some areas are over-supplied with
train lines (for example, southern Brooklyn) so inconvenience & time
needed to make the transfer are eliminated there, while other areas
are under-supplied (for example, much of Queens). Call this a study
of "Transportation Justice", which could serve as a basis for making
extensions (& maybe subtractions?- a hot issue) to fund extensions.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 07, 1997 at 19:50:39:
I just wanted to mention to all of you that Mike Adler's New York City
Subway map (featured here at [7]http://www.nycsubway.org/routemap/)
was shown briefly on The Learning Channel's show "Cyber Warriors". It
wasn't talked about; they were just briefly flipping past a bunch of
web sites while talking about the importance of the net. The first
shot showed the map legend and top of a Netscape browser screen, and
then later they came back and showed more of the map itself. Congrats
Mike!
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 07, 1997 at 19:56:50:
In Reply to: [7]Questions on subway engineering?? posted by Kevin
Gillespie on December 05, 1997 at 01:55:59:
Somebody, somewhere, wrote:
>4)Most modern transit systems use 750v dc. High voltage, ie AC @ 25Kv
60
>Hz would not be practical for street railways for safety reasons. The
>subway tunnels would have to be bigger than nessary for the catenary,
>(overhead wires).
AFIK, there are no 25 Kv systems running in the US, although I think
Amtrak tried it and it didn't fare to well. The American Flyer (tm) is
supposed to be 25kv from New Haven up, if it ever runs.
I believe the lions's share of the NEC is 11k 25 Hz. I know Penn in NY
still is. Septic (Oops, I mean SEPTA) may be 12 + at 60Hz. I think the
Hoboken stuff of NJT is 12.5 - 13ish at 60hz. It used to be 3k DC.
Metro North went from 11k 25hz to as high as 17k 60Hz. I'm saying "as
high as" because that's the highest I've heard quoted.
>5)Some older suburban railways use overhead wires and 3rd rail, for
>example Metro North(New York metro area). However if they were to be
>built today they would probably use overhead catenary at AC 25 Kv @
60
>Hz or DC @ 1.5 or 3 kv.
Metro North's New Haven line is third rail 750 DC and also overhead AC
as above. I believe it may be the only system in the country that is
both dual power transmission AND dual voltage. Heck, it may be the
only stuff in the world like that.
As for voltage, unless I was totally grade free, and free of low
overpasses ands tunnels, I wouldn't go up to 25K, simply because of
arc over problems. Nor would I bother with 1.5 - 3 k Overhead DC
(unless it was REALLY neccesary). Of course, outside of the NY/Phily
area, there aren't that many electrifications. Don't ask me why every
other commuter system is bent of diesel, I can't figure it out myself.
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Posted by Droo on December 07, 1997 at 20:00:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by David Lee on
December 06, 1997 at 18:40:07:
Hey... did you go to Hunter...years ago?
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 07, 1997 at 20:03:36:
In Reply to: [7]Rat Control/Poisons posted by Jon Levy on December 07,
1997 at 12:47:32:
Hmmm... I've noticed that subway rats are getting smaller and smaller.
They used to be HUGE suckers years ago, now they look more like big
mice.
Or maybe the mice are getting bigger???
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 07, 1997 at 20:06:42:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Ronkonkomo to Greenport posted by Steve on
December 07, 1997 at 12:57:24:
Whoa!!! Back up!!! It cost more to run the diesels than the
ELECTRICS???? Even with the higest electric rates in the country?????
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 07, 1997 at 20:16:04:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
He he. My DAILY one is EASY. I just kick myself out of bed at 10:30 am
and walk accross campus :)
Getting home is a taxi to Union Station (Hartford, there sure are a
lot of Union Stations out there...). And then Slamtrak to Penn.
Or Slamtrak or a bus to New Haven and Metro North down to GCT.
From Penn, it's the Port Washington line out home. I won't subject
myself to Oyster bay.
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POSTER>a. scarpinato
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Posted by a. scarpinato on December 07, 1997 at 22:06:34:
In Reply to: [7]Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service. posted by
MIKE on December 06, 1997 at 12:52:50:
The smart way would be to send a k local out of Carnarsie, express it
broadway brooklyn to Marcy, and then 6th either local or express to
21st. street
Trains marked Eastern Pwkway could local it all the way with the Z,
while the J expresses from Eastern to Delancey.
While at it, the MTA should third track the El where it is easy to do
so from Cresent St to 121, put a switch so the J could stop at
Woodhaven, and call it a real alternative to the E. This skip stop
"ain't" cuttin' it!
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Posted by IRT #7 on December 07, 1997 at 22:21:35:
On the IRT #7, on the side of the local tracks, there are what seems
to be
large black boxes with some sort of metal board on it,facing the
train. What is that used for?
What keeps a train on SIRR from running a red light?
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POSTER>Ron Rice
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Posted by Ron Rice on December 07, 1997 at 22:22:20:
In Reply to: [6]fond lost subway tunnel posted by Serafin Jr on
December 05, 1997 at 16:12:24:
Interesting possible site to view. However, please change "fond" to
"found" and "storys" to "stories".
Yep, even web readers tend to some aversion to mis-spellings.
Best of luck, and thanks for making my browsing worth while.
Ron Rice TRM4582
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 07, 1997 at 23:04:30:
In Reply to: [7]Keith posted by IRT #7 on December 07, 1997 at
22:21:35:
Those boxes are for the now nonfunctional IDENTRA system, which would
alert the station ahead that the train was on the way.
The only thing that keeps an SIR train from running a red signal is an
attentive engineer.
-Hank
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on December 08, 1997 at 04:04:48:
in the december 8, 1997 ny daily news page 3, gov. pataki is set to
announce today an unprecedented subway and bus fare rollback with a
program that offers historic monthly and weekly passes that reward
more-frequent riders with the largest discounts, said sources familiar
with the plan. for more info see page 3 of the ny dalily news for
monday dec 8.
charlie muller
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POSTER>John Rothney
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Posted by John Rothney on December 08, 1997 at 04:16:30:
I collect NYCTA railroadiana but only once in thirty years have I been
able to find some of these. Can anyone tell me how to acquire some?
Many thanks. JR
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on December 08, 1997 at 07:12:47:
In Reply to: [6]re: transit surplus posted by charlie muller on
December 08, 1997 at 04:04:48:
also more on the transit surplus. also there is an article in the ny
post december 8, page 4 and the ny times december 8 metro section page
B1.
charlie muller
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 08, 1997 at 09:05:40:
In Reply to: [7]Motormen and Conductors' Work Programs posted by John
Rothney on December 08, 1997 at 04:16:30:
Any interest in roll signs? Sale or trade?
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POSTER>si2000
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Posted by si2000 on December 08, 1997 at 09:07:41:
In Reply to: [6]"Transportation Justice" posted by Mike Rothenberg on
December 07, 1997 at 18:21:37:
Southern Brooklyn has many train lines for a number of reasons. The
services (B,D,F,N) are all outgrowths of railroad lines dating back to
1875.
All these services terminated at Coney Island, which was a major
resort
area. The railroads were replaced by elevated or depressed electric
services
by 1920. During this same time period Queens was mostly farmland,
hence
very little rail services. During the1920's subway services were added
to
Queens along Queens Blvd. The population of Queens has skyrocketed
beyond what the 1920s-built system was meant to handle, while the
population of southern Brooklyn has not grown to the point of
over-burdening
the old BMT/IND network. It's not about 'justice', just population.
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on December 08, 1997 at 09:23:17:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Hoboken-PABT Buses: NJT #126 Vs. Red Apple posted
by Bootsy on December 06, 1997 at 15:31:23:
Thanks for the info! Now, I wonder why NJT even bothers running any
service on the #126 line if Red Apple can do it cheaper? (Maybe as a
"Public Service" for its rail monthly ticket holders) (Pun intended!)
HMMMM!
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>Gary S.
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Posted by Gary S. on December 08, 1997 at 10:43:56:
Does anyone know here I can locate subway station blue prints ?
especially of manhattan stations.
Are there any on-line ? does any one have station blue prints which he
can post ?
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on December 08, 1997 at 11:00:19:
In Reply to: [6]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
D/Q (most times Q) from Kings Highway, catch the F when I see it or
switch at 42nd Street (This allows option to IRT 7 incase the
"F"orever don't show)to Queens Plaza (7 to Queensboro Plaza).
Sometimes on the way home I'll walk over to 21st Street Queens Bridge
to ride the head car on the Q now that they have the 40's....
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 08, 1997 at 11:01:07:
In Reply to: [6]Another system grows...AGAIN posted by Mark Greenwald
on December 07, 1997 at 11:05:19:
Unfortuntely, they are off to a bad start. According to the Baltimore
Sun on Saturday, there aren't enough cars, so while the original line
gets 17-minute service (Hunt Valley - Glen Burnie, the airport / Penn
Station section get only 34-minute service. So right when people could
get a good first impression, they get a bad one. It also makes the
central section shared by both lines (Linthicum - Mt. Royal Avenue)
have strange times, sometimes every 8 minutes, sometimes every 17
minutes. I assume that they will one day fix this.
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If Maryland MTA people read this:
The final configuration should be:
Hunt Valley - BWI Airport
Penn Station - Glen Burnie
Anybody who needs to go from Baltimore's Penn Station to BWI directly
can take their Amtrak or Commuter train to the BWI rail station
anyway.
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POSTER>Tim Speer
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 08, 1997 at 11:05:52:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Brooklyn Tech posted by Hank Eisenstein on
December 07, 1997 at 16:54:35:
I graduated 1987 -- Mechanical Engineering
I lived in the East village, and was close to the J&M, the LL, the F,
the 6, and the RR. I would leave for Tech two hours early, just so I
could take the most interesting, circuitous route possible. With the
many subway lines in downtown Brooklyn, the variations were endless!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 08, 1997 at 11:32:38:
In Reply to: [6]Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island posted by
J.D. on December 07, 1997 at 11:55:56:
This story is like the Roswell incident, in that it is impossible to
prove that it DOESN'T exist. There is a lot of unused tunnel south of
Bowling Green for the abandoned connection to South Ferry. But an
underwater tunnel duplicating the route of the Staten Island Ferry is
almost unthinkable; it would be over five miles long! Whereas the
narrows route from 95th st. in Brooklyn, which apparently did recieve
serious consideration, is more like one mile.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 08, 1997 at 11:47:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "one good thing mayor giuliani hasnt taken credit
for" posted by Eric on December 04, 1997 at 20:23:55:
This begs the question "which is more reprehensible, child
pornography, or mocking Rudy Guiliani." I guess it depends on who is
living in Gracie Mansion at the time. By the way, for what little this
info is worth, I attended both High School and College with Rudy, who
was one year behind me, from 1959 through 1964. I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION
OF HIM AT ALL! Beware of late bloomers!
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 08, 1997 at 12:51:20:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Moving Platform posted by Todd Glickman on
December 05, 1997 at 10:57:33:
So they're mechanized now. My memories of these moving platforms in
the
60s was that they were hand operated by a person stationed on the
platform who threw a big lever to extend/retract them.
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on December 08, 1997 at 13:05:10:
I'm not sure if anyone was aware, but there used to be this great site
called TransitAds at http://www.quuxuum.org/transitads/ where people
could post ads for buying and selling and trading transit-related
items. This page was maintained by Michael Adler. However, it has not
been updated since the summer and although I have sent numerous
e-mails to Michael Adler, I have received no response. I would really
hate to see this site go into oblivion so is there anyone (Dave?) who
can resurrect a site like this and possibly attach it to this site? I
think that it would be a benefit for all.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 08, 1997 at 13:05:50:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
My daily commute is Elmhurst to Chicago (Richard Ogilivie
Transportation
Center, formerly Metra Passenger Terminal, formerly Northwestern
Station) on the Metra UP West line.
I'd rate it about 9 out of 10. Trains occasionally late due to freight
interference, but not very often in rush hours (UP and Metra seem to
have finally gotten their acts together on this). It's faster and
cheaper
than driving, plenty of parking at Elmhurst Metra station (not
generally
true of all Metra stations), and plenty of trains from Elmhurst (as it
is
the turn around for short-trippers).
Also, very convenient to my office, which is in the Citicorp Center
building,
which is the same building as the train station (the one formerly
known
as Northwestern Station).
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 08, 1997 at 13:06:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hoboken-PABT Buses:Why does NJT bother? posted by
Michael S. Buglak on December 08, 1997 at 09:23:17:
They (NJT) may have to run the service so they do not lose the
opportunity to run it. That is, if they stopped running buses, they
might not be able to get back in later on if they changed their minds.
I am told that Steinway transit used to run one bus in each direction
weekdays on the "Q-100", just so they could keep the franchise. I
think that stopped when Q-66 got extended to Queensbridge.
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on December 08, 1997 at 13:07:34:
In Reply to: [7]nycsubway.org on TV posted by David Pirmann on
December 07, 1997 at 19:50:39:
It's pretty damn wicked when something you produce is shown on TV,
isn't it?
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 08, 1997 at 13:08:20:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
My daily commute is Elmhurst to Chicago (Richard Ogilivie
Transportation
Center, formerly Metra Passenger Terminal, formerly Northwestern
Station) on the Metra UP West line.
I'd rate it about 9 out of 10. Trains occasionally late due to freight
interference, but not very often in rush hours (UP and Metra seem to
have finally gotten their acts together on this). It's faster and
cheaper
than driving, plenty of parking at Elmhurst Metra station (not
generally
true of all Metra stations), and plenty of trains from Elmhurst (as it
is
the turn around for short-trippers).
Also, very convenient to my office, which is in the Citicorp Center
building,
which is the same building as the train station (the one formerly
known
as Northwestern Station).
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 08, 1997 at 13:14:43:
In Reply to: [6]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
When I drive (which I may do if I want to get in real early), I take
Lake Ave West to the Edens Expwy (I-94). Edens south to the loop,
exiting at Ohio Street, then Michigan Ave south to Lake Street and
Lake Street east to dest. When I "Metra" it, the 5:42am UP-North Line
local, then the 5:07 express home in the aft. Metra service is pretty
decent, rarely late and fairly clean. The new handicapped accessible
cab cars are quite comfortable.
When I lived on Roosevelt Island, pre-63 st. opening., I would take
the Tramway over to 59-2Av, then walk a block to the BMT. N or R over
to TSQ, then 7 Av up to Columbia. Could also take M-103 over to 8 Av
and then the M-104 up Broadway.
When I worked downtown, it was the Lex Express to Bowling Green or the
BMT to Whitehall
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on December 08, 1997 at 13:16:04:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
I live in Toronto and I take a TTC bus to Finch, take the subway south
to Bloor/Yonge station, transfer to the Bloor line westbound to
Spadina station, and take the new Spadina LRT south to University of
Toronto.
There you have it: bus, subway, streetcar, all in one trip!
I'd rate the TTC bus system 5 out of 10 because of those crappy Orion
5 buses. The subway gets a 7 for being pretty roomy and efficient. And
the streetcar system gets a 4 because of the overcrowding and lack of
even spacing out of cars.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 08, 1997 at 13:23:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brooklyn Tech posted by Tim Speer on December 08,
1997 at 11:05:52:
Sounds like me. When I used to go to school in late 70s, the R46s were
just being delivered. I might let 3 or 4 trains go by at 59-Lex just
to get on a fancy new train...for a 4 stop ride!
I remember when the first R-62 train ran on the 4, I picked it up at
59-Lex and rode the front car down to Union Sq, then the BMT back up
to Times Sq and then the IRT to Columbia (Grad School then). What I'm
trying to say Tim, is that I know from circuitous trips just to ride
an extra train!!! Also rode an R-62 on the 7 out to Woodside, on one
of its infrequent runnings on that line. Sat next to a tech rep from
Nissho-Iwai and hoped he couldn't understand English because a very
heavy-set gentleman on my other side was moaning about the contoured
seats' not being able to handle his ample posterior.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 08, 1997 at 13:25:25:
In Reply to: [6]TransitAds posted by Adam on December 08, 1997 at
13:05:10:
Ditto. I am on a mission to add to my bus rollsign collection. Sent an
e-mail to Mr. Adler and got no reply AND no ad posting.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 08, 1997 at 13:31:49:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
Sadly, I don't have a viable mass transit option.
Everyday, it's the New York State Thruway to Exit 17 - Newburgh, then
I-84 East to Fishkill, NY. 45 - 50 minutes each way.
BUT, it is a reverse commute and there's hardly ever any traffic.
--Mark
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 08, 1997 at 13:36:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts) posted by Hank
Eisenstein on December 06, 1997 at 13:12:39:
I was, of corse talking about the mult-sectioned units that the BMT
ordered in the late 30's for use on the Canarsie and other lines.-see
Geller's "Subway Cars of the BMT" or Cuidahy's "Under the Sidewalksof
NY for pictures and such....
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SUBJECT>The $60 (or will it be $50 0r $55)Question
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 08, 1997 at 13:42:28:
Well what do you know- a politician that smell which the wind blows!!!
The only question of course, is the details...Now how about a daily
pass for out-of-town visitors like everybody (almost) else does???
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Worth Street (was Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS")
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 08, 1997 at 13:53:38:
In Reply to: [7]Worth Street (was Re: Moving Platform "GAP FILLERS")
posted by Peter Rosa on December 05, 1997 at 16:42:28:
The northbound (uptown) #6 Worth St platform is still in its
"original" state when built - that is, about 5 IRT cars long.
The southbound #6 platform was lengthened to accomodate 10 (11?) IRT
cars before it was closed.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 08, 1997 at 13:56:23:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts) posted by Hank
Eisenstein on December 06, 1997 at 13:12:39:
I can see it now ....
The Microsoft Subway, version 2.5 ...
"Ladies and Gentlemen ... this train will be delayed 6 months due to
extensive delays in our beta program. We will be moving shortly ..."
I wouldn't wanna be the one to get a "loading, please wait" message on
the MS subway!
--Mark :)
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 08, 1997 at 14:19:27:
In Reply to: [6]Walking Tour: "A Train Buffs History Tour", Sponsored
by the 92nd St 'Y' posted by Mark S Feinman on December 05, 1997 at
13:38:31:
The franklin Ave shuttle was substantially rebuilt when it was
extended from Atlantic Avenue to Fulton St. I don't think any of it
was elevated before then, which was just before the turn of the last
century. The J/Z stretch on Fulton St., East of Broadway Junction,
seems to date from 1885 to a point past Alabama Ave, possibly a
station in the area of Van Siclen, which was rebuilt in the Dual
Contracts era.(1922?)The rest of the line up to the end of the
Crescent St. run was built piecemeal prior to 1893.When the Downtown
Brooklyn section of the Myrtle Avenue line was torn down, the Alababa
Ave vicinity on Fulton became the oldest El still in use.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 08, 1997 at 14:25:28:
In Reply to: [7]Re: re: transit surplus posted by charlie muller on
December 08, 1997 at 07:12:47:
For those of you not able to get a copy of today's NY Times or Daily
News:
[8]Here's a link to the Daily News article.
[9]Here's a link to the New York Times article but you'll need to get
an id and password to lok at the NY Times site (no charge for US
residents).
Couldn't find the on-line NY Post story.
--Mark
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 08, 1997 at 14:55:30:
In Reply to: [7]Links to Articles (was Re: re: transit surplus) posted
by Mark S Feinman on December 08, 1997 at 14:25:28:
Metrocard makes my Boston T-pass look like Carte-Blanche. Too bad
Boston subways are so much less fun!
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 08, 1997 at 16:11:41:
In Reply to: [7]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by si2000 on
December 08, 1997 at 09:07:41:
Without question, the east side of Manhattan is severely under-served.
Its only service is on the already overcrowded Lexington Avenue line.
The well-docmented fiasco of the Second Avenue subway is the main
reason for the east side's lack of adequate services. Elevated lines
along Second and Third Avenues (maybe others?) were torn down with the
expectation that the Second Avenue subway would more than make up for
the resulting loss of service. That never happened, and probably never
will, and as a result east side riders continue to jam themselves into
the Lexington trains.
One interesting point to ponder is the effect this poor service has
had on the area. It might be assumed that poor subway service will
depress property values, and I suppose that might have happened in
parts of Queens or elsewhere. But the east side of Manhattan, as
everyone knows, has generally maintained high property values despite
the lack of a Second Avenue subway. There's probably some lesson in
that, though I'm not going to try to guess what it might be.
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POSTER>Lefty
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Posted by Lefty on December 08, 1997 at 16:19:45:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Rat Control/Poisons posted by Philip Nasadowski on
December 07, 1997 at 20:03:36:
all i know is that at 96th st on the 1/2/3 i saw signs warning riders
that the tracks were fumigated and looked down only to see the same
number of rats as usual going about their business..
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Posted by Lefty on December 08, 1997 at 16:29:18:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
i take the NYCTA Bx10 bus every day from w231st st and riverdale ave
(the west end of the Bx1 line) to 205th St. and Paul Ave. (The Bronx
High School of Science) takes anywhere from 15 to 25 minutes depending
on how many people are on the bus and which one i catch. service is eh
about every 15 minutes.. not really enough for a morning rush hour. on
the way back they send a special empty Bx10 back towards riverdale
just for my school, yay.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 08, 1997 at 16:29:27:
The new MetroCard passes have been announced, to start during 1998.
Each will allow unlimited rides for a specific time period. Monthly
passes will be $63, weeklies $17, and dailies $4.
As I read it, these passes will be a better deal for city residents
(and visitors) than for suburban commuters. This price structure may
be seen as evening out the perceived financial bias against subway
users, which results from the fact that subway riders pay a
significantly higher share of the total costs of their rides than do
suburbanites riding commuter rail (yes, that's a complex issue, I'm
only noting the common perception). For the typical suburban commuter,
who rides the subway twice each business day, the weekly and daily
passes will be more expensive than buying individual fares. Monthly
passes might be a better deal depending on how many workdays there are
in a month, though it will be close either way.
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on December 08, 1997 at 17:04:16:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
I usually take SEPTA's R6 train from Norristown, PA into Penn
Center-Suburban Station in Center City Philly.I usually get the only
express trip on the line, leaving Norristown @ 7:06a & arriving @
Suburban Station @ 7:41a. Returning, I get out at 5:14p & arrive back
in Norristown @ 5:49p.
Until I got my driver's license this year, I also had to take a SEPTA
Route 93 bus from my hometown of Collegeville to Norristown. (I caught
the bus @ 6:11a & arrived in Norristown @ 6:37a, returning from
Norristown @ 6:00p & arriving in Collegeville @ 6:27p). Since this
route only runs once an hour, I had to be VERY careful about getting
to the bus stop on time!)
My cost of communting is $109.50 for a Zone 3 monthly SEPTA TrailPass.
(This pass is also good on any SEPTA vehicle.)
I can also take the Route 100 trolley from Norristown to 69th Street,
& change to the Market-Frankford Line to Center City. It comes out
about the same in trip time & cost...I switched when SEPTA put the new
N5 cars on line & also changed the timetable just enough so thst I
couldn't make the bus in the PM. (So there is another case of a
bus-trolley-subway commute!)
Regards, Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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Posted by Bobw on December 08, 1997 at 19:56:30:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? (SEPTA Style) posted by
Michael S. Buglak on December 08, 1997 at 17:04:16:
Not so great, but by transit nonetheless - SEPTA Route 27 express bus
to Center City in the AM, back in the PM. It would be nice if the bus
dumped us off at Wissahickon on the R6 at transfer rates instead of
trying to go to Center City on the Schuylkill Expressway... Of course,
I could do this if it were convenient and not so costly.
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POSTER>Jeffrey from Brooklyn
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Posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on December 08, 1997 at 20:46:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Lou from
Brooklyn on December 08, 1997 at 11:00:19:
Yay....another Q rider.
I take the Q (but sometimes the D of course) from Kings Highway to
Atlantic Ave. where I go upstairs to get the 2 or 3 to Fulton st.
Takes about 40 minutes on average. When it runs right, I give the Q
high marks for speed. The 2/3 usually is quite crowded by the time it
reaches Atlantic, and the LIRR connection just makes it all the more
difficult.
P.S.: Does anybody know why intercoms are left open on the Q? It
really aggrevates me sometimes.
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Posted by Adam on December 08, 1997 at 21:51:36:
Does anybody know the rules for using these student subway passes? Do
they have a specific time during the day during which they work or do
they work all the time? Also, are there only specific stations they
can be used at or are they (student metrocards) accepted anywhere?
Thanks for answering these questions.
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Posted by CTG on December 08, 1997 at 22:48:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hoboken-PABT Buses:Why does NJT bother? posted by
Michael S. Buglak on December 08, 1997 at 09:23:17:
Actually, the NJT rush hour busses tend to be full. NJT offers a
monthly fare which averages less than the Red Apple's single trip
fare. I don't think Red Apple offers a monthly fare. Also, the NJT
fleet is much newer and has more comfortable seats.
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POSTER>Philip E. Dominguez
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Posted by Philip E. Dominguez on December 08, 1997 at 23:08:30:
In Reply to: [6]Student Subway Passes posted by Adam on December 08,
1997 at 21:51:36:
Full Fare Student Metro-cards can be used on both trains and buses.
They
are usable between 5:30 am and 8:30 pm. They have a limit of 3 uses a
day on moday and friday. You can transfer from train to bus or Bus
to train for free withen a 2 hour time limit. The Half fare passes
are only useable on the bus.
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Posted by David L. on December 08, 1997 at 23:08:44:
In Reply to: [6]Student Subway Passes posted by Adam on December 08,
1997 at 21:51:36:
The times you can use the student metrocard are from Monday through
Friday from 5:30 AM to 8:30 PM. They even work on holidays that are on
weekdays. There are no specific stations that it can be used at. In
fact they even work for subway to bus, and bus to subway transfers.
Each day you are allowed 3 fares.
This is how the student metrocard looks like. (I have covered some
info that was on the back for obvious reasons)
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POSTER>Mike K
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Posted by Mike K on December 08, 1997 at 23:27:44:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Baltimore Central Light Rail Line Extension
posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 08, 1997 at 11:01:07:
Lack of cars isn't the only problem...
Many parts of that system, including a key portion shared by both
routes, is SINGLE-TRACK. If you ran both lines at 15-minute intervals,
you're talking about trains running along a single stretch of track in
different directions every 3-4 minutes.
This system is not computer-operated, so that's a real tight margin of
error. And my model assumes a short distance of single track. This
single track area actually covers several stations south of Camden
Yards.
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POSTER>Steve Z
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Posted by Steve Z on December 09, 1997 at 00:07:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by J.D. on December 07, 1997 at 12:04:06:
It IS Whitehall Street. I have noticed this turnoff myself. A couple
of years ago, I asked this same question on the newsgroup and was told
that it was meant to be a connector to the 9th Avenue El at Battery
Place.
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on December 09, 1997 at 01:19:41:
In Reply to: [7]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by si2000 on
December 08, 1997 at 09:07:41:
The historical perspective on the development of southern Brooklyn
transit lines generally after the population was there, and the
development of Queens transit lines before the population was there,
was very useful. The question still remains: if funding problems
keeps areas with poor coverage & crowded lines (such as Queens) from
getting new extensions to serve areas that are miles from trains, is
there a higher value in maintaining the status quo, or in getting $$
to build those lines by dropping a line or two in areas over-served?
Difficult decisions-yet walking a bit more to other lines in Bklyn.to
provide $$ for underserved Queens areas may be the moral/correct way.
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on December 09, 1997 at 07:25:14:
In Reply to: [7]Brooklyn Tech posted by Tim Speer on December 07, 1997
at 12:42:16:
Class of 1974, Mechanical.
I grew up about 100 yards from the Boyd Ave station on the Dual
Contracts extension of the Fulton Ave El over Liberty Avenue. I used
to commute to Tech every day via the A train. I'd meet some freinds at
the Grant Avenue station, then head into downtown Brooklyn. The
equipment running at that time was mostly R-10's, with some R1-9's on
the runs to the Rockaways. Knowing that they were short lived, many a
morning I would wait for the Rockaway train so that I could ride in
those pre-war battleships. My buddies never understood my interest in
the subway, but merely tolerated it! Later, the arrival of the
R-44/46's spelled the end for the R1-9's.
The air conditioning was nice, but nothing was better than a warm R1-9
on a cold January morning when I needed to be at St Angela Hall
Academy on Clinton Street at 5:30 AM for drivers ed!
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Posted by si2000 on December 09, 1997 at 08:02:32:
In Reply to: [7]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by Mike Rothenberg
on December 09, 1997 at 01:19:41:
Dropping an entire line in an 'over-served' area will only cause the
remaining near-by services to become over-crowded, so nothing is
gained.
I don't believe in the implied 'equal suffering' illogic in deleting
viable services because other areas are underserved.
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POSTER>aaron
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Posted by aaron on December 09, 1997 at 09:16:28:
In Reply to: [7]Fare passes posted by Peter Rosa on December 08, 1997
at 16:29:27:
Yes, but LIRR is offering 9 percent discount on monthly tickets if you
buy $60 metrocard. That is a very good deal, except metrocard expires
at end of month.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 09, 1997 at 09:34:13:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Fare passes posted by aaron on December 09, 1997
at 09:16:28:
>Yes, but LIRR is offering 9 percent discount on monthly tickets if
you
>buy $60 metrocard. That is a very good deal, except metrocard expires
>at end of month.
Whether or not the LIRR deal is worthwhile depends on the number of
workdays in the month and the amount of your LIRR ticket. For
instance, a 9% savings on my monthly ticket from Patchogue is about
$19. Assuming I rode the subway twice a day, I could miss up to 6
workdays in a month ("losing" $18 in subway fares, given the
MetroCard's expiration) and still come out ahead. If I came from a
closer station and paid , say $150 a month, the 9% savings would be
$13.50 and I could miss 4 workdays a month. So in deciding whether to
use the 9% discount, commuters will have to take into account such
factors as vacation plans, time spent out of the office, holidays,
etc. No doubt some people will find the convenience justification
enough that they'll go for the 9% discount even though it might not
actually save them anything.
BTW - I'll have to skip the 9% deal, as I normally walk to Penn
Stations in the evening and therefore only use about $30 in subway
fares a month.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 09:41:15:
In Reply to: [6]Fare passes posted by Peter Rosa on December 08, 1997
at 16:29:27:
A $4 all day bus/subwway pass sounds like a dream come true! When I
visit NYC I sometimes use 6-8 fares in a day. Even when our whole
family visits for a weekend (we're down here near DC), we use at least
3 fares per person most days. Charging just a drop more than what a
commuter would pay for a round trip per day is just perfect. It may
encourage people to use the subway and busses a bit more.
Even Philadelphia's all-day pass is $5.00.
Washington's is $5.00 but is only good after 9:30 AM on weekdays (all
day weekends) so that visitors will be the main user and is good on
the rail lines only.
Baltimore's is $3.00 but, then again Baltimore is not a transit city
that much.
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POSTER>Sergiy Pakhomov
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Posted by Sergiy Pakhomov on December 09, 1997 at 09:56:00:
In Reply to: [7]Any Els In London? posted by Timothy on December 05,
1997 at 13:11:55:
It was obvious to let the trains running over the els in Europe.
In Berlin it was, for example, not only the line between Cotbusser Tor
(1902) (Cotbusser Bahnhof, later; Schleswiger Tor, now) and the city,
but it is the line 2 north to the Alexanderplatz. I am not sure that
there are several lines more which can be inderstanding as elevated.
Look on the S lines (1 to 9) - are not they the els really?
For anybody who want to study the London tube / subsurface line I
strongly recommend the following entry:
http://www.gold.net/~cdwf/rail/culg/
This is the Clive Underground page
where the layout of the abandoned metro stations and tracks is shown.
There are also the tube mouths also that you are being helped for your
"studies" of the els/tubes in London.
Best wishes.
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Posted by Lou on December 09, 1997 at 10:05:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Jeffrey from
Brooklyn on December 08, 1997 at 20:46:36:
R40 slants don't have any intercom's. Crew has to use the PA or the
buzzer.
Did you mean something else?
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Posted by Lou on December 09, 1997 at 10:10:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts) posted by Mark S
Feinman on December 08, 1997 at 13:56:23:
The R900 subway came to a skreeching halt. This brand new car from
Microsoft just broke down for the 1000th time.
Then, the Microsoft engineer, not knowing much about anything, comes
up with a suggestion, "Why don`t we close all the windows, get out,
get back in, open the windows again, and maybe it`ll work !?"
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POSTER>Yes It's True
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Posted by Yes It's True on December 09, 1997 at 10:12:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Train Tunnel to Staten Island posted by Hank
Eisenstein on December 07, 1997 at 16:35:22:
Yup that's the tunnel to Staten Island, it right there south of
Whitehall. You see the Staten Island Ferry boats would walk down the
stairs and slip into this tunnel to return to Staten Island for sure!!
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 10:51:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Baltimore Central Light Rail Line Extension
posted by Mike K on December 08, 1997 at 23:27:44:
They have double tracked much of the section south of Westport so as
to allow a train every 3-4 minutes, or so it seemed when they were
working on it. The only two-branch single track is from the pending
Hamburg St station to just past Westport over the river(swamp)under
the highways, I think.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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SUBJECT>Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts)MS-haha!
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 10:57:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts)MS-haha! posted by
Lou from Middletown on December 08, 1997 at 13:36:52:
Do you mean those triple car combinations with an articulated circular
piece connecting them? They were great. They were the last trains that
had single passenger doors, rather than double doors. When I was a kid
(circa 1958), I used to give my mother fits standing in the circular
vestibule between cars. She always thought I'd fall out of the train
somehow. They also had lit signs as to whether the train was BRIDGE or
TUNNEL.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 11:29:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by si2000 on
December 09, 1997 at 08:02:32:
This may seem strange to some, but:
Some people like being far from the subway and will pay more for the
luxury of not being near others. Witness the quietest, most expensive
part of Manhattan is York Avenue in the 70s and 80s, about as far from
the subway as you can be in Manhattan and yet is the most expensive
and quiet neighborhood in the borough. It is completely unlike the
rest of Manhattan.
Conversely, at the other end, some people need to pay the lower rent
which comes from being far from the subway. Building a subway may
cause people's rents to be raised because demand is higher and the
supply has not changed.
Some people may even prefer taking a bus that runs every 3 minutes
(e.g., Nostrand Avenue, Flatbush Avenue south of the Junction) to
living near elevated tracks or the congestion of train station
business districts.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 11:38:44:
In Reply to: [6]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
Because I live in a Northern Washington Suburb, and work in a southern
Baltimore Suburb, I drive.
However, when I lived in Brooklyn, I worked in Flushing, near the
cemetery where Louis Armstrong is buried (the whole company watched
the funeral procession go by).
I took the Brighton line (6th Avenue) to 42 St, the F train to
Roosevelt Avenue, the #7 to Main Street, and the 16, 17, or 65 bus to
the edge of the Flushing Cemetery. The factory was down the block. 90
minutes each way. I read 35 books during that summer.
Because it was such a long commute, I had lots of variations, the most
different being: Brighton to Prospect Park, Franklin Shuttle to
Franklin Avenue, 8th Avenue to Bway-East NY, the Jamaica line to 160
St. (the old elevated before being torn down), then the #65 up to
Flushing.
And my family wonders why I am some comfortable with and knowledgeable
about trains....
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 09, 1997 at 11:55:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fare passes posted by aaron on December 09, 1997
at 09:16:28:
Here I go throwing a wet blanket on all your collective enthusiasm,
but consider these known facts: They want to get rid of token vendors.
There has been no guarantee of stable token prices, just "lower
fares". Therefore, I forsee an increase in token prices next year
which will make the passes more competitive, thus increasing their use
and lowering token demand. Then it's just one more step to rationalize
that the "average" use of a pass is three rides a day, so a daily pass
represents a $1.34 fare, which is less than the former $1.50,
therefore, promise kept! Cost of a token? I bet $2!!!
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 09, 1997 at 12:25:00:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Fare passes posted by Gary Jacobi on December 09,
1997 at 11:55:02:
The TA in fact does intend to phase out the token-booth clerks. Once
MetroCard vending machines have been installed in all the stations,
according to the plan the booths would be closed. The clerks would
reassigned to work in the stations as a sort of customer service
assistant, similar to those in the Washington Metro.
This plan may be subject to change. In particular, selling the monthly
passes via machine could be difficult, due to the number of bills that
would be required. Anyhow, delivery of the machines is still quite a
ways off.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 09, 1997 at 12:53:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Baltimore Central Light Rail Line Extension
posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 10:51:31:
This is a familiar story to us here in Sacramento. Our system was
built ten or so years ago with about 40% single track to save money.
It could be shown on paper to be able to operate with 15 min.
headways, but several spots proved to be bottlenecks, requiring one
train to wait for the opposite trip to pass. They lengthened the
double track at a few of the worst ones, and there seldom is waiting
at single track junctions any more. However, there is talk from time
to time about adding routes, which would require 7.5 min headways,
which they claim can be handled, but one has to wonder if the single
track segments that were just adequate for 15 min. headways won't need
more work. If there is a lesson to be learned, I think it is that
single track sections are a false economy for any system that hopes to
grow.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 12:59:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by Mike Rothenberg
on December 09, 1997 at 01:19:41:
Would you cancel the Lenox Avenue line rom 135th to 148 St. because
other lines are close by? How about the entire Washington Hts. line
because the Bway line is a few blocks away? How about Jerome Avenue
since the Concourse is a few blocks away? How about the western half
of the Flushing line? It's not so far from the IND Queens line, until
after 74-Bway. Even the L train in Williamsburg isn't that far from
the J train.
Not that I wanted to get emotional about it or anything... But lots of
places have lines somewhat close together. I can't envision that
closing some lines in southern Brooklyn will allow billions of dollars
of construction money to somehow be available. The MTA can't even
figure out how to take over a chunk of LIRR track to run trains to St.
Albans, Queens, when they have have been planning it for 35 years.
That can't cost that much.
Sorry for being more emotional than usual.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 09, 1997 at 13:10:52:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Student Subway Passes posted by Philip E.
Dominguez on December 08, 1997 at 23:08:30:
It's certainly understandable for the NYCTA to restrict the useage of
sutdent passes. I fondly look back on my High School days in the 80's
when bus & train passes were vaild school days from 6 AM to 7 PM and
we pretty much used it as a unlimited ride pass. I was a transit buff
at the time also and each day (after homework) I would ride several
MABSTOA bus routes to run errands, visit friends or simply ride to be
riding. We were supposed to pay 5 cents with our bus passes, and most
MABSTOA bus operators (except 132st, 54th St and Hudson) wouldn't ask
you to pay. It was great as you only had to make sure you were on your
final bus by 7 PM.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 09, 1997 at 16:04:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hoboken-PABT Buses:Why does NJT bother? posted by
CTG on December 08, 1997 at 22:48:13:
The Flxible Suburbans used by NJ Transit are more comfortable than the
others and have luggage racks, but the #126 also uses regular transit
busses, including the RTS.
The average fare per month is probably negotiable, depending on how
often you travel this line. Does Red Apple still use the old Flxible
New Looks on the Hoboken-New York line?
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POSTER>Subman23
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Posted by Subman23 on December 09, 1997 at 16:12:00:
Yesterday's announced revamping of the NYCTA fare structure has
assured Governor Pataki's reelection. Subway and bus riders are
enthusiastic about the discounts proposed by Pataki. Governor Pataki
has announced that these discounts ($63 monthly pass, $17 weekly pass,
or $4 for a daily pass; discounted further for seniors and disabled
people) will cost about $500 million per year to enact.
Even if the Authority does have a $167 million surplus this year, how
will $500 million per year be added to the coffers of the TA to pay
for these discounts? That is the question that no politically correct
person is willing to ask.
How soon people forget that Governor Pataki did nothing two years ago
when fares were raised from $!.25 to $1.50 and service cuts were
enacted. Maybe, I am wrong about Pataki's motives. Is it possible that
his photo sessions in the subways have changed his core core beliefs
and he has developed a new - found love for the system?
Hopefully, I am wrong about the governor's re election motives when he
announced these fare discounts. Maybe "King George" will be willing to
fork over hundreds of millions of dollars to the system should his
proposals create budget shortfalls. Afterall, Pataki and Conway are
"Goin Our Way".
As a transit worker, who has dedicated my career to the turnaround of
the New York City transit system, it would hurt me deeply if the
Authority is faced with huge budget shortfalls in a year or two
because of some politically correct action by a politician to please
the arrousal gappers.
Hopefully, I am wrong!
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Posted by Quigebo on December 09, 1997 at 18:09:31:
In Reply to: [6]2/5 swap cars? posted by Bootsy on December 06, 1997
at 22:52:48:
And both lines are getting the R142 cars in a little over a year
anyway.
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POSTER>Quigebo
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Posted by Quigebo on December 09, 1997 at 18:21:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: O-27 Subway Car? posted by Frank Gatazka on
December 06, 1997 at 16:23:42:
Man, I gotta see these R44/46 cars. How do I get a catalog from Mike's
Train House. What's their mailing address?
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SUBJECT>Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of 145th St in the Spring
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In Reply to: [6]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on December 04, 1997 at
00:08:15:
R42s used to run on D in the 80's. Then they were moved to other lines
(J, L, M) and replaced with the then-new R68s in 1988 when D trains
out of 205th St once again went to Coney Island. Now it looks like the
42s are coming back. Why were they ever taken off in the first place?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Quigebo on December 09, 1997 at
18:54:22:
The J/L/M were running with ancient cars - the R16, R27, R30. They
needed to be replaced. Since the 75' R44/R46 cars couldn't handle the
curves/clearances out there, they shifted the 60' R40/R42s out there
and put the 75' cars on the southern division lines.
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 09, 1997 at 20:58:08:
In Reply to: [7]irt7 SIR red lights... posted by Hank Eisenstein on
December 07, 1997 at 23:04:30:
You mean to tell me that a very severe accident could occur out on
Staten Island if there isn't an attentive engineer at the head of the
train?! We could possibly have the Malbone Street disaster all over
again...
P.S. - For those who don't know, the Malbone Street wreck was the
worst accident that occurred in our subway system back in the 1910s...
It occurred at the now-unused tunnel of the Prospect Park station...
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 09, 1997 at 21:04:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by Gary Jacobi on December 08, 1997 at 11:32:38:
It is unthinkable, but it could be done... Trains normally travel
about 45 mph on straight tracks... Thus, the trip would only last
about 6 minutes (probably closer to 9 minutes if any turning has to
occur)... Then, hook the train up at St. George and run the train
along the North Shore tracks...
P.S. - I know that it probably won't happen, but tunnel building is
alot different today than it was when the subway was first built...
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service.
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 09, 1997 at 21:08:17:
In Reply to: [6]Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service. posted by
MIKE on December 06, 1997 at 12:52:50:
Great idea... but the J makes WAY too many stops in Queens and
Northern Brooklyn to extend service to Bay Parkway... Then you would
really have people complaining about the service...
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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SUBJECT>Re: What's Your Daily Commute?
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 09, 1997 at 21:10:38:
In Reply to: [6]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
My commute is boring... I live in Bayonne... I take the South Blvd.
bus to Journal Square, take the WTC-bound Path train to WTC, walk a
couple of blocks, and I'm at Pace University... HOW BORING!!!!!!
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 10, 1997 at 02:39:47:
In Reply to: [7]Re: TransitAds posted by Charles Fiori on December 08,
1997 at 13:25:25:
FYI, Quuxuum.org is this site's home base...
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 10, 1997 at 02:45:26:
In Reply to: [7]Re: irt7 SIR red lights... posted by Daniel A. Valles
on December 09, 1997 at 20:58:08:
Well, yes....except fo the rigid schedule and train radios. There has
never been a collision on SIR since the TA took over, TMK. We've had a
derailment of a work train (minor)occasional derailment in St. George
(double slip switch malfunction, also minor) and a train that overran
the Tottenville Terminal and rammed a concrete block at 20+MPH.
When trackwork is done, and single-tracking is required, there is an
additional crew that brings the train through the work zone. no
danger.
-Hank
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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SUBJECT>Re: O-27 Subway Car?
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on December 10, 1997 at 07:22:08:
In Reply to: [7]Re: O-27 Subway Car? posted by Quigebo on December 09,
1997 at 18:21:52:
You can reach M.T.H. Electric Trains at 1-888-640-3700. Their Web site
is: www.mth-railking.com. Their address is: MTH Electric Trains, 9693
Gerwig Lane, Columbia, MD 21046. Good Luck!
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SUBJECT>if you can't pronounce it, say Ron-Konk-oma
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Posted by sdc-foti on December 10, 1997 at 08:25:54:
Yup, Thats my home staion, and I have to drive to exit 66 on the LIE
to get
closer to my Home, it sucks.
Just Pointing out the best way to spell it.
Foti-
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SUBJECT>Re: Ronkonkomo to Greenport (Electrification)
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Posted by sdc-foti on December 10, 1997 at 08:29:57:
In Reply to: [6]Ronkonkomo to Greenport posted by Steve on December
07, 1997 at 00:17:39:
I rather pay my tax dollars for electrification east of Ronkonkoma
(Rnknkma) because there are alot of ppl who would ride it if they had
more service.
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Posted by sdc-foti on December 10, 1997 at 08:36:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brooklyn Tech posted by Charles Fiori on December
08, 1997 at 13:23:29:
Yup, Could've taken a little knife out and ordered the Fat Butted man
to commit seppuku-harikari.
Foti-
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on December 10, 1997 at 08:57:27:
In Reply to: [7]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by Carl M. Rabbin
on December 09, 1997 at 12:59:39:
Carl's noting specific lines was useful re: my point about usage &
lack of improvement $: (1)Until the 1950's the Lenox line was local &
Bdwy line was express, below 96th St. The constant use of the X-vers
there proved to be an operational problem so they made the Bdwy line
local & Lenox line express, avoiding use of the X-overs. The Bdwy.
line north of 96th has more passengers and should have been express,
shortening their trip times to mid/downtown. But lack of $$ to build
outside tracks just north of 96th St.to avoid X-overs,done at DeKalb,
prevented this.(2)Re:A/B-1,4-C/D,7-/E/F/G/R,L-J,:What's their patron-
age vs.B/N betw.36th&Coney I.,& F betw. Church Av. & CI? Mostly more.
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Posted by Bob Tichacek on December 10, 1997 at 09:12:25:
Does anyone have a concise list of the NYC subway stations and/or
lines that have been abandoned? I know of the old station at City
Hall, and of the line that went to the old Polo Grounds near 155th
Stree - but I know that there must be many more!
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on December 10, 1997 at 09:21:52:
In Reply to: [7]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by Carl M. Rabbin
on December 09, 1997 at 12:59:39:
Hopefully, this will appear just below the item I wrote witnin the
last half-hour. Near the bottom of that one, change B/N to B/M/N.
The point is that these lines cross over each other, have relatively
low patronage compared with the others you mention, and all run
between 36th St. and Coney Island. The F and N lines are about seven
blocks apart for a number of stops. How may people use those
stations? Are they cost-effecitve? How does this compare with the
patronage expected from areas that are miles from subways? Re: York
Ave., I don't see that apartments on Park Ave. suffer from MN tracks
under it.They're still very expensive-I doubt if York Av.will suffer.
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 10, 1997 at 09:38:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Canarsie Line (from prev. posts)MS-haha! posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on December 09, 1997 at 10:57:38:
The three car units are the D units (otherwise known as Triplex)
bought by the BMT in 1927. The "multis' were off the system by 1960 or
so.I don't believe the D's were ever run on the 14th st line. The real
advantage of the Multis was that they could also run on unimproved el
lines as well in the subway...
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 10, 1997 at 09:44:22:
In Reply to: [7]Re: TransitAds posted by Hank Eisenstein on December
10, 1997 at 02:39:47:
Yup, I gave Mike Adler space on quuxuum.org to run Transit Ads. The
site has nothing to do with me, though, and I'm not really interested
in taking it over. I can't speak for Mike but maybe it wasn't being
maintained because there wasn't much traffic.
(quuxuum.org is the same physical machine as nycsubway.org, FWIW).
-Dave
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 10, 1997 at 09:47:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fare passes posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December
09, 1997 at 09:41:15:
AS another day-tripper,I agree whole heartedly with that! Now, istead
of counting fares left, and trying to figure out my route, all I got
to do is walk down inthe hole or on the bus!! I really hate to say
this- but thanks George-'bout time!!!!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 10, 1997 at 09:47:58:
In Reply to: [7]Abandoned Stations & Lines posted by Bob Tichacek on
December 10, 1997 at 09:12:25:
See [8]Disused and Abandoned Stations -
http://www.nycsubway.org/disused/ (here on this site) for photos of
many stations and a link to Joe Brennan's complete guide.
-Dave
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 10, 1997 at 09:52:13:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Threecarunits...(was Canarsie...) posted by Lou
from Middletown on December 10, 1997 at 09:38:11:
> I don't believe the D's were ever run on the 14th st line
Sure they were! For an example, see
[8][LINK]BMT D-Type 6112 &c. at Wilson Avenue on the L, 10/17/1965.
-Dave
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 10, 1997 at 09:54:20:
In Reply to: [7]KING GEORGE : Savior of Mass Transit?????? posted by
Subman23 on December 09, 1997 at 16:12:00:
You have made some good points here. I think Pataki motivated by the
fact that this will certainly help his re-election campaign. Right
from the get -go it was clear that Pataki doesn't care too much about
downstate, but a vote is a vote no matter what part of the state it
comes from. For years I wanted to have these sort of passes for the
NYCTA, but we all know it comes with a cost. I'm very concerned about
the NYCTA's financial position in say... 1 to 2 years after the fare
cards go into effect. By this time the election for Govenor would have
taken place and if he is re-elected (gosh) - I'm afraid the he'll
simply forget about NYCTA as well as the rest of downstate NY.
The system has come along way and still has some ways to go. My fear
is that the NYCTA may be cash strapped in a couple of years with
nothing to show for the 167 million in surplus funds that existed.
...And then it will really suffer and George will be in Albany saying
telling NYC to deal with it.
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on December 10, 1997 at 10:01:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Student Subway Passes/Restrictions posted by Wayne
Johnson on December 09, 1997 at 13:10:52:
I too went to Public High School (Staten Island) at the time and used
the bus passes that way.
Once I made the basketball team I swtich to the SI Railway and it's
pass (you had to list the stations on the face of the pass) becuase
the late practices/games and the lack of Bus Service at Tottenville HS
and you did not have to pay a nickle, you paid up front each month to
get the pass at a dime a school day for the month.
One late practice missing the 7pmish train I had my pass taken away by
the conductor because I did not have the full fare to pay him (it was
the next train after the one that was just before 7pm). I had to go to
St. George the next day to get it back. I am glad they extended the
hours on the student passes.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 10, 1997 at 10:02:12:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Threecarunits...(was Canarsie...) posted by David
Pirmann on December 10, 1997 at 09:52:13:
Come on Dave, you really can't count fantrips!
(Had to have been a fantrip, as the last rugular service runs of the
Triplex
cars was in the summer of 65. Also, 10/17/65 was a Sunday!)
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Posted by Lou on December 10, 1997 at 10:04:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fare passes posted by Gary Jacobi on December 09,
1997 at 11:55:02:
I use the subway a lot during the day (more than 2 trips a day) for
work. Not that I would use my monthly pass and still get work to pay
me back for the trip on their buisness!!
Even looking over that, this Subway user would save A LOT of money on
a monthly pass, even if I was sick for a week, I think I would still
save money from my weekend travel as well.
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POSTER>Lou form Brooklyn (X-Staten Islander)
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Posted by Lou form Brooklyn (X-Staten Islander) on December 10, 1997
In Reply to: [6]Re: irt7 SIR red lights... posted by Daniel A. Valles
on December 09, 1997 at 20:58:08:
You have to remember that the Staten Island Railway is not a subway
operation. I think the max headway times on the morning rush is 5/6
minutes. That is the closest the trains are scheduled, not that I've
seen the public timetable in awhile. Evening rush hour the the closest
the trains leave is like the Great Kills express (first stop halfway
down the line) follwed 5 minutes later by the local.
Your not talking one minute headways or limited sight distance
underground around tight curves.
So the express would have to get stuck, the following train not hear
the calls to the dispatcher, not see the red signal (maybe 2 or 3 of
them depending on how many blocks back the local is), and not see the
EOT markers or by that time maybe crew on the roadbed.
Yes there is no failsafe as in subway or even some of more modern
railroading but I don't think it is a Melborne waiting to happen....
IMHO
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POSTER>Lou From Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou From Brooklyn on December 10, 1997 at 10:17:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Daniel A.
Valles on December 09, 1997 at 21:10:38:
Head end ride from Journal Square to WTC boring??
Wait till the new PATH cars with full cabs (get rid of the conductor
type). No more headend riding just like the Subway....
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Posted by John M. on December 10, 1997 at 10:28:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Peter Rosa on
December 06, 1997 at 21:19:55:
Ah, commuting from my old area.
I used to live close to Patchogue, but I would drive to Ronkonkoma
becuase of that fast express in the morning (Ronk-Central
Islip-Brentwood (I think), Penn Station), there was no train change,
and the equipment was newer. I found the ride quite pleasant,
actually, and since my job was pretty much 9-5, I could catch the
express back. Of course, this was before they built all that extra
parking, so you had to park a mile from the station.
Actually, Sayville became an option when, sometime in the late '80's,
they added a 7:26, which runs express to Jamaica. Before that, you had
to catch a 7:00 train which made every local stop to Babylon.
I think the spur from Ronkonkoma to MacArthur is a great idea,
although assuming it was proposed, it would garner substantial
community opposition, as folks out there don't want the airport to
become larger.
Also, what do you guys think of the new, improved Ronkonkoma station
(i.e. the little village they built)? Ithough it was nice the last
time I was there.
Finally, how about electrifying the line from Babylon to Patchogue?
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POSTER>John M.
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Posted by John M. on December 10, 1997 at 10:34:00:
In Reply to: [6]Fare passes posted by Peter Rosa on December 08, 1997
at 16:29:27:
One question: will there be a mechanism to prevent me from buying one
pass, going through the turnstile, and handing the pass over the
turnstile to my friend? Willthey restrict multiple usages within, say,
a five minute period?
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POSTER>Philip nasadowski
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Posted by Philip nasadowski on December 10, 1997 at 10:55:30:
In Reply to: [7]Re: KING GEORGE : Savior of Mass Transit?????? posted
by Wayne Johnson on December 10, 1997 at 09:54:20:
I am hoping, praying, putting my soul for sale, etc. I really want
Pataxi to be a one term gov.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 10, 1997 at 10:59:59:
In Reply to: [7]Re: irt7 SIR red lights... posted by Daniel A. Valles
on December 09, 1997 at 20:58:08:
Nevermind SIRT. Metro-North's cab signals can't tell the difference
between full stop and restricting. I don't think the LIRR's can
either. Am I the only one here who thinks that's stupid??? Oh yeah,
does anyone know about Septa's???
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 10, 1997 at 11:06:42:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Threecarunits...(was Canarsie...) posted by Ed
Sachs on December 10, 1997 at 10:02:12:
Hmm, you're right. The last service run was in July '65 some time, now
that I think about it. I was on the 30th Anniversary fan trip in '95.
Should have remembered.
Oh well. Nice picture anyway.
-Dave
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POSTER>Tom O
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Posted by Tom O on December 10, 1997 at 11:17:31:
In Reply to: [7]Trying to locate subway station blue prints posted by
Gary S. on December 08, 1997 at 10:43:56:
I dont know of any on-line blueprints, but at 370 Jay Street
NYC Transit has all the subway(as opposed to elevated) lines on
microfilm. You can make an appointment, go down view the lines that
interest you and make copies if you wish.
The phone number is 718-243-3596, ask for Mr. Ted Marcus.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 10, 1997 at 13:32:21:
The fire department saya an explosion has been reported in the Fulton
St. and Broadway subway station in Manhattan. A fire department
spokesman saya 2 people are being treated...for difficulty breathing,
and the tunnel is full of heavy smoke.
The apparent explosion was reported at 12:19pm.
The FD says the cause...has not been determined, but could be a number
of things, such as an electric arc from a mechanical malfunction.
(((Courtesy UPI, through the Bloomberg system)))
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>To: Mark Feinman>How do you do it?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 10, 1997 at 13:36:52:
In Reply to: [6]Links to Articles (was Re: re: transit surplus) posted
by Mark S Feinman on December 08, 1997 at 14:25:28:
Pls e-mail me at FLUSHING@BLOOMBERG.NET with how you add the addresses
to messages like you are so kind to do. It is a nice feature of your
communications to this site.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 10, 1997 at 13:53:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: O-27 Subway Car? posted by Frank Gatazka on
December 10, 1997 at 07:22:08:
Frank, are you sure about that website URL? I can't get it to work.
Has MTH run an ad in MR or CTT for this item yet?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 10, 1997 at 13:58:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Threecarunits...(was Canarsie...) posted by David
Pirmann on December 10, 1997 at 11:06:42:
Did the fantrip Triplex run all the way South to Canarsie, or did it
cut off at Bway Jct? The restricted section should have been the light
El structure south of Sutter Ave.
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 10, 1997 at 14:00:08:
In Reply to: [6]KING GEORGE : Savior of Mass Transit?????? posted by
Subman23 on December 09, 1997 at 16:12:00:
My personal opinion is that, just as allowing train-to-bus and
bus-to-train transfers has increased revenues,
so will knowing that for a single payment, you've got unlimited rides
all day.
No more debating whether a taxi is easier or the car is worth the
parking fee.
I always feel freer in any city when I have an all-day pass. This
feeling
of freedom will probably cause more people to use mass transit more
days
of the year. You can take the bus or the train for 2 blocks, transfer
as
many times as you want. Psychologically it's a little like having a
personal
chauffer, even though I know that is stretching things a bit.
Lowering the price or increasing the accessibility increases use
and, often, revenues. Look at MS-DOS vs. all the other failed PC-type
operating systems. It wasn't great technical genius that made it
ubiquitous.
It was simplicity, low price, and licensing to everyone. Same with VHS
vs.
Beta. VHS was cheaper, just a little lower quality, and licenced to
companies other than the inventor, JVC. (But I digress....)
Who knows: If the MTA seems cheaper and always accessible for $4
a day, or about $3 per weekday in a $63 month, bus and subway use
may increase enough that the MTA may actually have to increase
service to match the increased use...
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POSTER>mICHELE kIM
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SUBJECT>valhalla to newark?
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Hi!
I'm hoping you can help me. I'm trying to figure out the fastest way
to get from Valhalla, NY to Newark, NJ via public transportation.
Please respond to the e-mail above. Thanks!
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 10, 1997 at 15:34:20:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? BORING?? posted by Lou
From Brooklyn on December 10, 1997 at 10:17:44:
Lou:
I have been waiting for this for about 5 years... I miss living in the
city... I used to live by the Kingsbridge stations by the 4,C, and D
in the Bronx... If I rode the 4, I would see one of the most beautiful
sites in the city after the train left the 161st Street station:
YANKEE STADIUM! And once you are on the 4, after it leaves 125th
Street, it makes one of the fastest trips to lower Manhattan I have
ever seen...
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Posted by Ogre on December 10, 1997 at 15:51:05:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Phil Marasca on December 06, 1997
at 13:14:48:
Well, they certainly can make a connection of JFK to Mid-town
Manhattan... It may difficult, but certainly not impossible... They
can use some of the land that exists between the Howard Beach station
and JFK and build a two-track rail line... Hook this up to the A, but,
instead of using the A tracks at Rockaway Blvd., use the LIRR tracks
from the old Rockaway Line... Run these tracks until both the tracks
by the Fresh Pond Junction, as well as a connection to the Main
Line... I understand a connection to the Main Line of the LIRR may not
work due to the fact that the train will be using subway tracks...
But, since they are building the 63rd Street connection, congestion
should go down... Then, build a tunnel from the Fresh Pond Junction to
a little east of the 71st/Continental Aves station (I know it's a
little out of the way, but it won't disrupt service... Then, you can
have your connection to LIC as well as Mid-town Manhattan...
LaGuardia Service... Hmmmm... Unless the extend the N east on Ditmars
Blvd., the only other solution is to create a shuttle train from
Willets Point to LGA... It may work, but I'm trying to figure out the
exact route of this line...
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on December 10, 1997 at 15:54:29:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Student Subway Passes/Restrictions posted by Wayne
Johnson on December 09, 1997 at 13:10:52:
But one main difference between the bus and train passes that we used
to have in high school and the ones they have now is that the new ones
are interchangeable between the bus and the subway. The older passes
were assisgned specifically to either the bus or subway and they
looked much different from each other. Most of the time you could get
one or the other but not both at the same time unless you lived in a
two fare zone. Unfortunately, the bus was the only way back home from
school so I was never able to ride the subway for free (unless I
borrowed my friend's pass!).
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 10, 1997 at 16:20:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some ideas on extending the subway (as crazy as
they may be!)(long post) posted by Ogre on December 10, 1997 at
15:51:05:
Take a look at the 1929 NY Times article posted here a few weeks ago.
Dave has put it permanently in the Historic section of Subway
Resources. Otherwise, you may find yourself reinventing the wheel,
especially the Fresh Pond Junction connection.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 10, 1997 at 17:47:39:
I just can't seem to find out anything about this. First, I called 411
directory, asking for Boulivard Transit, Drogin Bus, and Trans-Hudson
bus. Each time I got nothing. Then I called NJ Transit, and they gave
me the number for what they said was Hudson Bus Transportation. But
when I called, it turned out to be Red & Tan, and I asked about NJ-SI
busses, they said they didn't serve that market. I called NJ Transit
again, this time, they told me to call the MTA, so I called. The MTA
operator told me to call Academy. So I called Academy, and, much to my
un-surprise, they don't go from NJ to Staten Island, but told me to
call Red & Tan!!
I also heard that the bus from Jersey City and Bayonne to Staten
Island has been discontineud. But if it hasn't been, where does to go
from and to??
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 10, 1997 at 18:46:13:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Student Subway Passes/Restrictions posted by Adam
on December 10, 1997 at 15:54:29:
Yes, it's true that almost no one were able to get both passes, but
for me I preferred the bus pass becuase it allowed you more of the
borough. Also later the Transit police would look at the station name
on train passes. On the bus you were free to ride any bus you wanted
to. I had a friend in Queens who used to use the Q40 (Green Bus Lines)
bus to go to school and his bus pass had "Q40 ONLY" in huge letters
stamped on it.
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POSTER>wsteil
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Posted by wsteil on December 10, 1997 at 18:46:32:
In Reply to: [7]Re: O-27 Subway Car? posted by Gary Jacobi on December
10, 1997 at 13:53:13:
The URL worked for me.
This is what URL comes when on their home page:
http://www.mth-railking.com/index2.html
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on December 10, 1997 at 18:53:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Student Subway Passes/Restrictions posted by Wayne
Johnson on December 09, 1997 at 13:10:52:
Another advantage that the student Metrocard has over the old passes
is that you no longer have to wait on long lines in order to show the
token booth clerk your pass.
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POSTER>Koi
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Posted by Koi on December 10, 1997 at 19:32:22:
In Reply to: [7]valhalla to newark? posted by mICHELE kIM on December
10, 1997 at 14:25:03:
What you can do is to take the Westchester County Bee Line # 40 or 41
Bus (I assume you are starting at the Westchester County Medical
Center or NY Medical College. This is where these buses can be picked
up.) to the White Plains Trans Center, walk to the MN RR station less
than a block away, take that to GCT, then either take the subway or
walk to 34th St/6Av. to catch the PATH train which will take you to
Newark.
Koi
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on December 10, 1997 at 21:06:26:
In Reply to: [7]Re: TransitAds posted by David Pirmann on December 10,
1997 at 09:44:22:
Does Mike Adler have a working e-mail address that he can be reached
at? I would really like to contact him about the page and what can be
done to resurrect it.
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POSTER>Joe-M
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Posted by Joe-M on December 10, 1997 at 23:48:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by Daniel A. Valles on December 09, 1997 at 21:04:08:
How long are the bart tubes?? I remember seeing pictures of the
construction. They were not tunneled but precast concrete sections
that were lowered and connected at the bottom on some kind of base.
The ferry is more fun though even if its a bit slower. All modes have
their place and the Statten Island Ferry is an institution. It was
$.25 las time I rode it what is the fare now??
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on December 10, 1997 at 23:57:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How does a subway get extended? posted by Alan
Follett on December 06, 1997 at 17:07:48:
Have you heard the talk of running metra on the freight bypass brom
Wauklegan to Ohare then south ??
Truth or just rummor??
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POSTER>Michael Adler
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Posted by Michael Adler on December 11, 1997 at 00:34:01:
In Reply to: [7]Re: TransitAds posted by Adam on December 10, 1997 at
21:06:26:
Adam,
I'm still here :-) it's just that I've been working 12+ hours as a
Letter Carrier for the U.S. Postal Service, and spending time with my
family and my 2 kids, other reason is traffic is very light (15 to 35
hits a week) I may have missed your e-mail due to increased *Junk*
e-mail (don't we get that from our mailmen/women ) I would not delete
if I see it related to subways, transitads, etc.. on subject, I do get
subjects like "Re: Hi", and I get porno web site addresses!
If anyone still wants to see TransitAds to have more ads, all you have
to do is place an ad, sell something, want something, etc... I'm aware
that alot of ads are outdated, I can try and find the time to update
them and remove old postings. I'm open to all suggestions.
Seasons Greetings,
Michael Adler
City Letter Carrier serving Wheat Ridge & Mountain View (not
Netscape's hometown )
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POSTER>Michael Adler
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Posted by Michael Adler on December 11, 1997 at 00:38:03:
In Reply to: [7]nycsubway.org on TV posted by David Pirmann on
December 07, 1997 at 19:50:39:
Does anyone have a copy of TV clip?
let me know,
Thanks,
Michael Adler
Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on December 11, 1997 at 00:56:47:
In Reply to: [7]Re: TransitAds posted by Michael Adler on December 11,
1997 at 00:34:01:
Dear Mr. Adler,
Thanks for responding to my inquiries about your web site! I think
that it is a great website and I would like to be of assistance in any
way if you do need it to maintain the page. I understand that you have
been working hard, and I apologize if I have assumed otherwise. Maybe
you could advertise the site on here (NYC Subway Resources) to get
more traffic because this page gets a ton of traffic. Also, you could
advertise on other subway pages in perhaps a reciprocal agreement in
which you would advertise for their site on yours. Just a few ideas!
I'll try not to send too much (snail?!?) mail over to Wheat Ridge and
Mountain View!
--Adam
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on December 11, 1997 at 01:00:23:
Did anyone go on the Transit Museum tour of Worth Street this past
Saturday Dec. 5? If anyone did, can you possibly give the rest of us a
brief report how it was and what if anything interesting did you
learn? Thanks!
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POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Re: The Baltimore Central Light Rail Line Extension
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Posted by Nathan on December 11, 1997 at 02:20:59:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The Baltimore Central Light Rail Line Extension
posted by Gary Jacobi on December 09, 1997 at 12:53:13:
Goes to show how cheap the government goes with light rail systems,
haven't they learned that no one will ride unless fast convenient
service is offered...
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Posted by Nathan on December 11, 1997 at 02:27:42:
Ok, I was recently (last week) in Florida and I have a couple of
questions:
1)What is the daily patronage of the Miami elvated metro (I forget
what it's called, I mix it up with that downtown people mover). I
noticed that the trains did not seem very full at all.
2)What is the line speed of the above system? The trains weren't going
incredibly fast or anything.
3)Do the tri-rail trains go any farther than West Palm Beach??
Anyway, I'm starting to crave british railways again, I mean all the
new trains, newly painted trains, consumer oriented trains, and where
else
can you find suburban commuter trains with line speeds of 100mph, like
on Connex's gatwick-rugby line?? Damn north american transit planners
to hell!
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POSTER>Bill from Staten Island
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Posted by Bill from Staten Island on December 11, 1997 at 08:24:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fare passes posted by John M. on December 10, 1997
at 10:34:00:
After using the card there is a lockout of 6 to 8 min. this is to
prevent passing the card and swiping it again. It is built into the
the Metro card system.
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on December 11, 1997 at 08:40:24:
I've read about, but don't fully understand, what "dual contracts"
means. I think I read that it involved IRT/BMT joint construction
of the Astoria and Flushing lines. In the "old" days, what trains
from Manhattan (subways & el's) ran through Queens Paza onto each set
of those Queens lines? If the #7 line was built to handle BMT-type
cars, were the platforms widened to reduce the gap for the IRT trains
now used? Would be possible to run BMT-type trains on it, replacing
the #7 rush hour expresses, switching to BMT tracks @ Queens Plaza,
then run them down Broadway to City Hall or Whitehall(express between
Canal and 57th St.)? This would eliminate train changes for many.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Lenox Avenue Reconstruction
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 11, 1997 at 08:46:20:
Today's (12/11) NY Daily News has an article, the cover story,
actually, regarding the pain that will ensue when the tunnel/116 St.
station is rebuilt.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 11, 1997 at 08:47:05:
In Reply to: [7]Bus from New Jersey to Staten Island (AGAIN) posted by
Bootsy on December 10, 1997 at 17:47:39:
There was a bus from downtown Jersey City (stopped at Exchange Pl. and
Grove Street PATH stations) run by Drogin Bus. Drogin went out of
business but I'm pretty sure I've seen the buses still running since
then. Try calling the Hudson County Transportation Management Assn
(www.hudsontma.org). It sounds like something that they would know how
to find out.
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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Posted by Julio Perez on December 11, 1997 at 08:55:14:
In Reply to: [7]#7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Mike Rothenberg on December 11, 1997 at 08:40:24:
I don't think BMT-type cars can travel west of Queensboro Plaza. The
curves between QbP and Hunters Point Boulevard are pretty tight and
eliminate that possibility, not to mention the curves between 5th
Avenue and Times Square in Manhattan.
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Some Answers to Re: Miami Metrowhatsit
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Posted by Julio Perez on December 11, 1997 at 09:04:33:
In Reply to: [7]Miami Metrowhatsit posted by Nathan on December 11,
1997 at 02:27:42:
I can answer at least part of your first two questions.
1. The heavy rail system is called Metrorail. The people mover is
called Metromover. (Simple enough.)
2. I do not know the average speeds throughout the Metrorail system.
However, I was once told the top speed achievable between the Vizcaya
and Coconut Grove stations--the longest uninterrupted straightaway in
the current system--is 60 MPH.
3. Not into Tri-Rail, so I can't speak with authority on that one.
CLARIFICATI0N ON THE RAIL SYSTEM. Metrorail and Metromover are
operated by Miami-Dade Transit Agency, a unit of Miami-Dade County,
Florida, and NOT by the City of Miami. Miami is one of about 30
municipalities in Miami-Dade County, and a substantial amount of
Metrorail stations run through the city. The entire Metromover system
operates in the city of Miami as well.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 11, 1997 at 09:49:22:
Today's (12/11) Newark Star-Ledger has a good article on NJT's
overcrowding problem. Some talk in there about building a tunnel into
GCT(!!!???). Find the paper at www.nj.com. Apparently this is a page
one story.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 09:52:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Julio Perez on December 11, 1997 at 08:55:14:
I believe the question was: Could BMT B'way trains run on the Flushing
Line east of Queensboro Plaza, i.e., towards Main Street?
Part of the the answer to the original historical question is that
when the Astoria and Flushing Lines were owned jointly by he IRT and
BMT, IRT-size trains ran on everything East/North of Queensboro Plaza.
When the Astoria Line became BMT only, the platfroms were cut back to
allow the wider trains through. I believe that 2nd Avenue El trains
went over the Queensboro (59 St) Bridge to the Flushing and Astoria
Lines at one time.
I personally do not believe that having a different version of a train
to every possible destination is a good idea. I like the idea that all
#7s go to Times Sq, all Ns go down Broadway. This way, a passenger
takes whatever comes along, then switches if necessary. I would say
the the typical New Yorker does this anyway: take the first train you
can then switch at the last possible moment when there is the largest
number of trains available to your destination. Just my opinion and
experience, though.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 11, 1997 at 09:55:06:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Student Subway Passes/Restrictions posted by David
L. on December 10, 1997 at 18:53:22:
Yes, you're right - When I was in High School we just walked by,
caught the clerks attention and flashed our pass - or if a Transit
P.O. was there we'd show it to him/her.
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 11, 1997 at 09:58:11:
In Reply to: [7]Some Answers to Re: Miami Metrowhatsit posted by Julio
Perez on December 11, 1997 at 09:04:33:
Didn't the city of Miami cease to exist oficially a year or two ago? I
thought it was incorporated into Dade County, and that the city no
longer existed as a "soverign" entity. Anyone have more info on this?
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 10:13:31:
In Reply to: [6]Some Answers to Re: Miami Metrowhatsit posted by Julio
Perez on December 11, 1997 at 09:04:33:
The Miami Metro is 100% elevated and carries about 25,000 people per
day, I think, which is not very many. It is all elevated because the
land is very sandy and swampy (no underground tunnels could possibly
be built).
Because it had to be all elevated, the planners decided that there
should be one downtown station on the western periphery of downtown,
then have an airport-style people mover to traverse, on a smaller and
airier elevated track, the rest of downtown. That I believe carries
12-15,000 per day, but I am not sure. I do remember reading that an
extension of the Metro Mover was to add 3,000 rides per day, and that
at $.25 per ride it would take 30 years to recover the construction
cost.
The Miami MetroRail run every 5 minutes during rush hour, and every 15
most of the rest of the time. [I have the timetables at home and can
look it up if anyone really needs to know.]
The Metro Mover supposedly runs every 2 minutes, except when it gets
backed up or stuck somewhere, when it's a lot easier to walk. The
MetroRail is $1.25, the Metro Mover is $.25, and using both is always
a total of $1.25, because there are special turnstiles to go free from
Rail to Mover, and $1.00 to go from Mover to Rail.
Tri-Rail (named for the 3 counties it runs through: Dade, Broward,
Palm Beach) is a commuter train line that runs from near Miami Int.
Airport, 8 miles west of downtown, to about 3 miles north of W. Palm
Beach, a distance of about 80 miles, on a mainly 1-track line, with
green-and-white double-decker cars, and an approximately hourly
schedule in each direction. There are many street level rail crossings
and the total trip is over 1.5 hours. There is a connection to the
Miami MetroRail line in Hialeah, about 7 miles NW of downtown Miami.
The idea of Tri-Rail is that the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-W. Palm Beach
area is quite narrow, about 100 miles long and 10 miles wide, so most
traffic is N/S along Interstate 95. The Tri-Rail train gives
long-distance mobility to people who can't drive long distances to go
from town to town through the area, or want to avoid it sometimes.
The Tri-Rail track is about 2 miles west of the track that goes from
Florda north to New York, so neither interferes with the other. Both
have many street-level rail crossings, many of which are near exits
off I-95 in Broward and Palm Beach Counties.
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 10:16:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Answers to Re: Miami Metrowhatsit posted by
Tim Speer on December 11, 1997 at 09:58:11:
They had a vote on it in November, and Miami is still the largest city
in the county which used to be called Dade County, and which is now
officially called Miami-Dade County. If the vote had gone the other
way, the City of Miami would have ceased to exist as a municipal
government and it would have become just an unincorporated part of
Dade County, but it lost, at something like 53%-47%.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 10:20:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fare passes posted by Bill from Staten Island on
December 11, 1997 at 08:24:07:
The 8-minute waiting period is not built into regular Metro Cards. I
use one card to get the whole family through in 4
swipe-and-walk-through actions and it subtracts 4 fares, one at a
time. When we use it on the bus as a transfer, the machine says that
all four were transferred on one swipe of the card.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 11, 1997 at 10:50:10:
In Reply to: [7]#7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Mike Rothenberg on December 11, 1997 at 08:40:24:
Prior to 1949, both BMT and IRT trains served both the Astoria and
Flushing lines. IRT trains ran through to Times Square (and, prior to
1941,
to South Ferry via the 2nd Ave. El across the Queensboro Bridge), and
BMT trains terminated at Queensboro Plaza for connection with subway
trains to Manhattan. The BMT used rebuilt El cars which were of IRT
width.
When the 1949 changes happened, the platforms on the Astoria line were
cut back to accommodate the wider BMT subway cars and the north (BMT)
half of the Queensboro Plaza station was abandoned (torn down in
1964).
West of Queensboro Plaza, the #7 line cannot acommodate BMT-size
cars due to the narrow clearences in the Steinway tunnels under the
East River (independent of the station platforms). I would guess that
East of Queensboro Plaza, the only thing preventing BMT-size cars from
running is the platform clearences.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 11, 1997 at 11:41:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Ed Sachs on December 11, 1997 at 10:50:10:
The extra part of QBP did not get torn down until 1964??? I thought it
was long gone by then.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 11, 1997 at 11:51:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some More Answers to Miami Trains and Tri-Rail
posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 10:13:31:
A great description of the systems, Carl, but it raises one question
in my mind; Is the Tri-Rail line new track, and if not, what former
railroad built it?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 11, 1997 at 12:07:00:
In Reply to: [6]Miami Metrowhatsit posted by Nathan on December 11,
1997 at 02:27:42:
Please ease up on the Transit Planners! They are not the problem; they
are capable of designing a great system, but in our country it will
never be funded by the politicians unless it can be shown to be close
to self-supporting. This is a self defeating test that other more
enlightened nations would never impose; Transit is a service that
makes for a better society. Does anyone require that the police show a
profit?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 11, 1997 at 12:16:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by Joe-M on December 10, 1997 at 23:48:38:
The BART tubes are in the neighborhood of four miles long. My point
was not that a Five mile long tunnel is not do-able, but rather that
an engineer would seek the shortest route available for the high cost
link in any connection. You can't get from the Embarcadero to Oakland
without traversing four miles of Bay. You CAN connect the NY subway
system to Staten Island without a five mile tunnel.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 11, 1997 at 12:29:59:
In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? QBP?
posted by Charles Fiori on December 11, 1997 at 11:41:32:
Yes, it was still there into the early 60's. It was torn down when
the #7 line was spruced-up for the 1964 Worlds Fair!
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on December 11, 1997 at 12:39:28:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Threecarunits...(was Canarsie...) posted by Gary
Jacobi on December 10, 1997 at 13:58:42:
I don't think that there are any weight restrictions on the Canarsie
line.
The Multisection lightweight units were purchased for service on the
14th St - Fulton St. line, which ran to Lefferts Blvd. (Ave?) via the
Fulton St. El. The section of the El from Atlantic Ave. to Grant Ave.
had
never been rebuilt, and thus could not take the weight of normal
subway
cars. Also, I believe that the tight S-curve at Euclid Ave. could not
take
a 67' car.
After the IND was extended to Lefferts Blvd and the Rockaways, the
Multisection cars were used in rush hour sevice on the Myrtle-Chambers
(now M) line. I understand that by the time this happended, they had
become a maintenance headache, and they needed constant tinkering to
make one or two round trips each morning and evening rush hour.
They were retired in 1961.
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Posted by Jim on December 11, 1997 at 13:03:34:
Anyone know why there are so many curves on the IRT#7 line in Queens
and Manhattan?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 11, 1997 at 13:16:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? QBP?
posted by Ed Sachs on December 11, 1997 at 12:29:59:
Good Post, Ed. The soft cover book about NY Elevateds has a great
description/photo montage, etc. of the QBP complex but I never knew
this piece to the puzzle. Thanks!!
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POSTER>CHRIS
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Posted by CHRIS on December 11, 1997 at 14:12:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rat Control/Poisons posted by Lefty on December
08, 1997 at 16:19:45:
What is the deal with rat poison in NYC subways anyway? When trains
pass does poison fly into the air only to be breathed by riders???
What are the long term effects???
Does the city even care????
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POSTER>Chris
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Posted by Chris on December 11, 1997 at 14:19:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by Gary Jacobi on December 11, 1997 at 12:16:58:
I have seen a subway map from the 1920s or 1930s which depicts a
proposed tunnel from the tip of Manhattan to Staten Island. This is a
great distances indeed, however, the map shows that even long ago this
far out idea was the best. What's the point of a tunnel connecting the
R train on 4th avenue in Brooklyn, it would take hours to reach
Manhattan through Brooklyn. At that rate you might as well take the
Ferry!
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Posted by Chris C. on December 11, 1997 at 14:29:35:
Transfering from the R line to the IRT at Canal street you use a no
longer in use train station to get there, what is the history of this
station? Was there a Canal Street cross town line? Why don't they put
it to use?
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 14:42:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some More Answers to Miami Trains and Tri-Rail
posted by Gary Jacobi on December 11, 1997 at 11:51:54:
Personally, I don't know, but it seems to have always been there. They
never would have built the thing for this use only.
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Posted by Alan Follett on December 11, 1997 at 14:44:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How does a subway get extended? posted by Joe M on
December 10, 1997 at 23:57:55:
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Posted by Alan Follett on December 11, 1997 at 14:58:15:
In Reply to: [7]Re: How does a subway get extended? posted by Joe M on
December 10, 1997 at 23:57:55:
Oops--I think I hit that SUBMIT button a bit too soon. As far as I
know, there are no active plans for running METRA service on the UP
(C&NW) freight bypass connecting the North Line with Proviso Yard on
the West Line by way of O'Hare. The big problem would be that this
line goes around O'Hare on the west (and was relocated in the 1950's
in connection with airport construction), missing the airport terminal
by a couple of miles, and at the opposite side of the airport from the
main access roads. Other than suburb-to-airport service (say,
Waukegan-O'Hare and Geneva-O'Hare), there wouldn't be much reason for
such a line.
You may be thinking of the long-discussed plans for running a
cross-suburb service farther out from Chicago, via the the Elgin,
Joliet & Eastern, connecting the UP-Northwest line with the BNSF line.
This has been under somewhat active consideration for several years,
but has been stalled by NIMBYism in some of the very well-heeled and
politically well-connected communities along the line. It is also by
no means clear that there would be a substantial traffic base for this
operation.
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Posted by Quigebo on December 11, 1997 at 15:27:39:
In Reply to: [6]Canal Street Crosstown posted by Chris C. on December
11, 1997 at 14:29:35:
You must mean the old Canal Street Broadway Express stop. N and Q
trains used to stop here before going over the Manhattan Bridge or
joining the main Broadway line
I believe there was at one time a planned Crosstown line under Canal.
I t was to have been part of the proposed Triboro system. which was to
have had the Broadway line cross over to Lexington Av at Union Square
and continue to Woodlawn and Pelham Bay. Of course, it would have
duplicated existing service under Park Av (the original subway), so it
wasn't built. The crosstown Canal line was to have gone to the old
Hudson terminal (where the World Trade Center is now)
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Posted by Quigebo on December 11, 1997 at 15:32:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 09:52:47:
What about Main Street which is underground? Are its tunnels wide
enough to handle larger trains? And why was it built underground in
the first place?
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POSTER>John Stewart
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Posted by John Stewart on December 11, 1997 at 15:49:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Ed Sachs on December 11, 1997 at 10:50:10:
What happened to the BMT lines that terminated at Queensboro Plaza for
connection with subway trains to Manhattan after 1949? Were these old
elevated lines that were abandoned? Is that why the north (BMT)half of
the Queensboro Plaza station was abandoned?
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POSTER>Bill from Staten Island
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Posted by Bill from Staten Island on December 11, 1997 at 15:49:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fare passes posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December
11, 1997 at 10:20:10:
I think if the new fare system goes through they might have a multiuse
restriction put on the card. I know TA employees have a time
restriction on their cards so it would be no problem for them to put
it on the new cards if it goes through.
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Posted by Quigebo on December 11, 1997 at 15:59:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by Chris on December 11, 1997 at 14:19:07:
Not so! You could have another train run under 4th Avenue, let's call
it the T train, and it would operate express from Pacific to 59th
Street. After 59th the T tracks would turn to go towards Owl's Head
Park and tunnel towards Staten Island. I assume the T would take over
the SIRTOA line.
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Posted by Lefty on December 11, 1997 at 16:29:39:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Student Subway Passes/Restrictions posted by David
L. on December 10, 1997 at 18:53:22:
in the case of getting on the subway with the old paper passes, the
people at the bedford park station near my school would just open up
the service gate and everyone would walk right through. in the case of
getting on buses, which is what i do every day, it takes forever for
everyone to get on because they all have to put the card in instead of
just flashing the pass.. i always enter the back of the bus now
because i cant stand waiting to get on the front.
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POSTER>James Tesoriero
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Posted by James Tesoriero on December 11, 1997 at 18:38:03:
Anyone riding the Nostalgia Special this Saturday from the Transit
Museum? They are rolling out the D-Types from the Museum to Coney
Island via the Culver, back to W 4th St via Brighton and the Bridge,
and then back to the Museum either via A or F. Price is $20, and there
is still plenty of space. Call (718) 243-8601.
See you there.
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Posted by subway-buff on December 11, 1997 at 18:49:38:
In Reply to: [7]Worth Street posted by Adam on December 11, 1997 at
01:00:23:
They canceled Worth Street due to "Debris on the platform". We saw
14th and lex(Park ave so.), Astor Place, Wall street(lex line), S
Ferry Inner loop and City Hall BMT lower level. Waste of time-
duplicate of former "Curios of lower East side IRT Tour)
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Posted by Kevin Walsh on December 11, 1997 at 20:28:01:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Fare passes posted by Peter Rosa on December 09,
1997 at 09:34:13:
Crazy George's $63 per month for unlimited use does little for the
subway rider who just rides the train to and from work 10 times per
week. I believe you have to take 44 rides a month to see any benefit
at all.
--I use the train about 15 to 20 times a month, so I am unable to get
any benefit whatever from this plan. Much better would've been 12
rides for the price of ten, which, in typical MTA fashion, was
dismissed by Virgil Conway as giving away too may rides...
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 11, 1997 at 21:46:23:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Canal Street Crosstown posted by Quigebo on
December 11, 1997 at 15:27:39:
That unused line seen at Canal Street allows the N and R trains to get
to and from the south side tracks over the Manhattan Bridge. Because
of the fiasco that bridge repairs have become, the tracks have been
closed since 1990 and probably won't reopen for another five years or
so.
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POSTER>alan
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Posted by alan on December 11, 1997 at 21:53:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: valhalla to newark? posted by Koi on December 10,
1997 at 19:32:22:
you can go metro-north to gct subway to 33st path to newark or penn
sta njt
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POSTER>anthony pardi
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Posted by anthony pardi on December 11, 1997 at 21:54:39:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Fare passes posted by Kevin Walsh on December 11,
1997 at 20:28:01:
lets see daily weekly and monthly passes hmmm a daily pass with
unlimited use and no restriction or a weekly no restriction or a
monthly no restriction. which would be up for abuse of the pass a $4
daily pass with no restriction except for the 24hour period of the
pass someone buys a Daily pass for $4 and swipes people thru and
colects tokens or what ever they wish to charge for the privelege.
just like students now do with their passes they collect a token or
1.50 and swipe someone thru with their school passes. isn't it great
to see where our tax dollars are going!!!!
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Posted by A.pardi on December 11, 1997 at 22:02:11:
gee now that the little critters now have a pass giving three rides
and in some cases 4 how are the passes being used. while no longer
limited to home and school stations and I believe the hours of use are
530am to 7-730pm what ever. two kids enter while one swipes his/hers
pass, hand collect lets see swipe their pass and collect someones
token or cash. better yet let mom or dad use the pass oh yes its
happening ain't it great to see where our tax monies are being
wasted...... yes the pass is a great tool for the honest student but
to see the out right abuse of a privilege thats correct privilege not
a RIGHT is just outragous. i just love seeing the undercover cops
doing sweeps and picking up parents and yes grandparents too who are
using the childrens schhol passes....
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POSTER>Joe-M
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Posted by Joe-M on December 11, 1997 at 23:33:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Miami Metrowhatsit posted by Gary Jacobi on
December 11, 1997 at 12:07:00:
Too bad highway planners don't have to build facilities that are close
to self supporting. The amount of cash spent on street repairs,
cleaning, snow plowing, and cosntruction to subsidise auto travel is
outragous. Fuel taxes and tolls pay for some but most of the funds
come from local taxes. Streets and roads are much more heavily
subsidised than transit.
In a level playing field there would be more transit constructed so
that service levels would be convinent and easy to use. No need for a
car, gas stations tires insurance advertising to sell all of the
above.
( I wonder what the comparison is between one car companies annual
advertising budget and all FTA funds?)
Oh well sorry about the soap box. I am preaching to the choir here
aren't I.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 01, 1997 at 12:29:38:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Pets On Public Transportation posted by Dan
Lawrence on November 28, 1997 at 14:15:30:
I don't know what MBTA's policy is, but while riding the Red Line on
Saturday (11/29), I did see a dog and his owner get off the train at
Quincy Adams garage. The dog did not appear to be a breed typical of a
"seeing-eye" dog.
--Mark
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 01, 1997 at 13:13:05:
In Reply to: [7]General Pick posted by Fernando Perez on November 27,
1997 at 23:22:53:
Interesting!!! I would've guessed that the BX15 would have gone to KB.
If it goes through it will be the second time for the BX6 at Amsterdam
- My question is do you think Amsterdam will lose any of it's current
routes? I'm sure the M116 woould go, but the depot would be awfully
crowed during the off hours.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: #7 and #5 IRT
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 01, 1997 at 13:30:13:
In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Jeff on November 28, 1997
at 00:27:55:
Remember the Flushing R-33/36 were the newest IRT equipment for many
years and most of them have been on the Flushing line since they were
delivered - while lines such as the 1,3 & 4 suffered with an abundance
of old non A/C ares and a small number of the newer cars. I can't
imagine the Flushing line not getting some new equipment, but
hopefully it won't be another repeat of the R-46 situation. I heard
somewhere that in the mid 70's, then Queens Borough Pres. Donald Manes
was involved in getting all of the R-46 assigned to Queens. Of course
D. Manes is no longer alive, but I'm sure that Queens being Queens
will some of the R-142's.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 02, 1997 at 01:49:06:
In Reply to: [7]Re: General Pick posted by Wayne Johnson on December
01, 1997 at 13:13:05:
The M79 will go to Westside depot and the M116 will go to 126St.
depot. If this plan goes into effect as planned, all depots will be at
15% above capacity. Meaning that Buses will have to be parked on the
streets which Im sure Management is not to happy about.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 02, 1997 at 10:53:02:
In Reply to: [7]Re: General Pick posted by Fernando Perez on December
02, 1997 at 01:49:06:
I was thinking about the buses parking on the street and I'm sure no
one would be happy with that, but I imagine it would be a bit more of
a problem at Amsterdam as I'm sure you realize there is not much stree
parking available for street parking near to Amsterdam, unless the DOT
reserves more curbside space for the buses. Have you ever passed by
126th Street depot during late nights - It's not nearly as bad as it
was before they constructed the off street storage areas, but they
still have several buses parked on Second Ave.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 02, 1997 at 12:18:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Bus Destination Sign Page posted by chris on
November 30, 1997 at 00:44:40:
If someone could tell me how to scan my sign collection so as to place
the contents on a web page, I'd think about doing it. I have a
not-quite-complete set of the orig. red-and-blue signs, a couple of
the blue-with-white letters, some black and white side signs (sm. &
large), and some from the private companies. A couple from NJT, as
well. If anyone has interest in a specific depot, let me know and I
will type up the list...
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 02, 1997 at 18:11:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: General Pick posted by Wayne Johnson on December
02, 1997 at 10:53:02:
I was at 126 St depot today to see a friend of mine who is a operator
there. They now have three off site storage areas for their buses now.
As i said in my first posting thier is now rumor that TA is trying to
get an extension on the Walnut lease. So we must wait and see whats
the dealio.;
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POSTER>John Stewart
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Posted by John Stewart on December 03, 1997 at 18:47:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Phila Welcome Line Update posted by Bobw on
November 27, 1997 at 20:46:21:
Thanks for your information. However, I believe I'm slightly confused
about what type of transportation this. You said they are PCC cars.
Aren't those old street cars? Is the Welcome Line a surface street
car?
Once again, thanks.
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Posted by John Stewart on December 03, 1997 at 18:48:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Phila Welcome Line Update posted by Bobw on
November 27, 1997 at 20:46:21:
Thanks for your information. However, I believe I'm slightly confused
about what type of transportation this. You said they are PCC cars.
Aren't those old street cars? Is the Welcome Line a surface street
car?
Once again, thanks.
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Posted by Bobw on December 03, 1997 at 20:09:12:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Phila Welcome Line Update posted by John Stewart
on December 03, 1997 at 18:48:12:
Yes, the Welcome Line is actually part of SEPTA's Route 23, a former
streetcar line (and the longest streetcar line in North America, with
a one-way journey of about 17 miles I believe, still covered by
buses). I guess I assumed most readers of this service knew this. At
any rate, the line uses some of SEPTA's remaining PCC's, a few of
which have been painted into liveries of SEPTA's predecessor companies
such as PTC, PRT and PST (Red Arrow). The newer cars, built by
Kawasaki in 1980-81 and still in use on the subway-surface "Green"
lines, are also being used for the longer service into South Phila.
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on December 12, 1997 at 00:38:54:
In Reply to: [7]Student pass abuse posted by A.pardi on December 11,
1997 at 22:02:11:
What is the penalty for using somebody else's pass?
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on December 12, 1997 at 02:36:17:
In Reply to: [7]D-Type Nostalgia Special This Saturday posted by James
Tesoriero on December 11, 1997 at 18:38:03:
I'll probably be there, jockeying for a view from the first car of
course! I won't be opening the windows though! 8-)
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 12, 1997 at 02:51:00:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by Joe-M on December 10, 1997 at 23:48:38:
The Ferry fare went up to 50 cents round trip in 1989(?)...the fare
was eliminated on July 4 of this year. It's free.
-hank
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on December 12, 1997 at 09:34:29:
In Reply to: [7]Student pass abuse posted by A.pardi on December 11,
1997 at 22:02:11:
Re: student pass abuse. No matter what type of system is used, I think
it will always be possible to misuse a student pass - unless you have
the police watching every set of turnstiles for abusers. I know some
adults will use a students pass as they have in the past, but I also
believe that the pass abuse will go down from the old days because now
you can't use it as a flash pass. Even with the longer hours, I still
don't see it getting out of control. Also - I would rather see the
police giving priority to preventing crimes over patroling for fare
evaders and/or pass abusers
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 12, 1997 at 10:08:41:
In Reply to: [6]IRT#7 Curves posted by Jim on December 11, 1997 at
13:03:34:
To make it more fun :-)
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Posted by Chris C. on December 12, 1997 at 10:15:29:
I was wondering about the express tracks in the middle of the Second
Avenue station on the F Line. The tracks meet an end at the end of the
station. What are they used for? Were they ever used? Did service ever
contiue through on these tracks? Was an express planned at one time?
or is it just service tracks? What's the deal???
Also, I am trying to find out something about the F line express
service in Brooklyn which is no longer running. There is an express
station not used, downstairs at Bergan street and a second set of
tracks in the middle which bypass Carrol street and the 9th street
bridge. I know there was once Express service on this line but I need
some history. Was it the 6th Ave. line, (the F) which ran express and
the Brooklyn/Queens crosstown, (the G) which ran local? Or was it the
other way arond? Or some other variation?
Did the Express run all the way to Coney Island? Where did it start?
When was it abandoned? Stuff like that.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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SUBJECT>Re: 2nd Avenue Station & The Smith Street Subway
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 12, 1997 at 10:23:55:
In Reply to: [6]2nd Avenue Station posted by Chris C. on December 12,
1997 at 10:15:29:
Yes, the Bergen St. lower level is for express tracks which are a
direct connection with the Jay St. Station. The local tracks come
directly from the Hoyt Schermerhorn station. The F switches to the
diverging track to run local.
Not only is there the 4-track express to Church Avenue, but the
express part between 7th Avenue and Church Avenue runs about 1/2 mile
away from the 15th St-Prospect Park and Fort Hamilton Pkwy stations
under a shortcut tunnel through Prospect Park.
Express service is described in the archives from November sometime.
Short answer is: F ran express to Kings Highway (local after Church
Ave) or C.I. (express to Kings Highway). GG (now G) ran local to
Church Ave. Because of complaints, the service was modified a lot,
then removed completely.
The 2nd Avenue Express tracks were to go under the East River to
Williamsburg to replace or augment the Williamsburg Bridge Bway-Bklyn
Service, but it never happened.
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 12, 1997 at 10:28:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd Avenue Station & The Smith Street Subway
posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 12, 1997 at 10:23:55:
Reviewing my answer, I realized I should have said that this F express
service was used from 1967 to the mid 70s maybe, maybe a little
longer, and during rush hours only. They may have used it also in the
1930s when it was first built.
BTW, the connection to the Culver line at Church Avenue was opened
around 1955. A girl I dated lived two blocks away from it, but it was
already around for 13 years by then.
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POSTER>Walter
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Posted by Walter on December 12, 1997 at 10:50:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Canal Street Crosstown posted by Peter Rosa on
December 11, 1997 at 21:46:23:
Yes, the Canal St.-station express tracks (through the currently
disused station) allow trains to cross over the Manhattan Bridge on
the southern pair of tracks (bridge engineers call these the western
tracks), but until the Chrystie St. connection was built, these Canal
St. tracks led to the northern (eastern) pair over the bridge, and the
southern pair led to the BMT Chambers St. station and the Nassau St.
loop.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 12, 1997 at 11:24:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Student pass abuse posted by Wayne Johnson on
December 12, 1997 at 09:34:29:
Another feature of these passes as well as the Senior citizen/disabled
cards is that they cannot be used two times at the same time. There is
a 15 to 20 gap before the card can be used again. Employee passes also
have this feature. Thus in the operators display it will say
"passback" to let yoiu know of this condition being violated. So it is
impossible to pay for two people with these ID's. When I catch
students doing this, usually my confiscating the card will usually
bring out the owner of the pass in a few minutes time and then I give
him a lecture on not trying to fool me!
Not before I threathen to keep the pass and have it returned to the
school via the depot. A negative result of this feature is that if you
are making a quick transfer from one bus to another in less than the
window of time, you cannot use the pass again until the 10 or 15
minutes passes, even for a transfer.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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SUBJECT>Re: Student pass abuse COLOR Lights on Turnstile
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on December 12, 1997 at 12:09:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Student pass abuse posted by Fernando Perez on
December 12, 1997 at 11:24:00:
I wonder on the turnstile when a Student pass is used if they color
dispaly light is turned on like when a reduced fare card is used to
show the police (if they are observeing the turnstile) what type of
farecard is used.
I believe a red light is shown on both sides of the turnstile when a
senior reduced farecard is used so when the 24 yr old goes through a
cop can stop em.... unless that person is disabled.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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The express tracks into Church Ave. are still used, but only for cold
weather lay-ups. Back in the early 80s, when vandalism was most
rampant, the amount of glass and graffiti damage which occurred to
trains stored there was huge.
BTW, when the R46s were delivered in 1976, they still had signs for
GGs to Church and Fs to Kings Highway. (Have both in my collection).
Check old subway maps to see when Kings Hwy svc ended. I am sure
someone out there has as comprehensive selection of old maps as I do!
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Posted by Lou on December 12, 1997 at 12:26:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? BORING?? posted by
Daniel A. Valles on December 10, 1997 at 15:34:20:
Come back to the city on the weekend. Just last weekend the old Red
cars normaly on the #5 were on the #4. Something to do with reapairs
at the yard (I don't do much IRTing).
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 12, 1997 at 12:33:33:
In Reply to: [7]Culver Express posted by Charles Fiori on December 12,
1997 at 12:10:11:
It was about 1985.
-Hank
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 12:37:16:
In Reply to: [7]Re: 2nd Avenue Station & The Smith Street Subway
posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 12, 1997 at 10:23:55:
> ... the express part between 7th Avenue and Church Avenue runs about
1/2
> mile away from the 15th St-Prospect Park and Fort Hamilton Pkwy
stations
> under a shortcut tunnel through Prospect Park.
This type of construction, where the express completely diverged from
the local and took a more direct route, was an IND first. The only
other place on the NY Subway system where this was repeated is on the
Queens Blvd Line between Queens Plaza and Roosevelt Ave. The express
diverges from the local for a number of stops and rejoins it in a more
direct route.
The lower level of Bergen St still exists. The station remains but all
tile has been removed. Access to the lower level is through a series
of doors from the upper level, doors that are usually locked. It's
also dimly lit.
While we'd all like to see express service restored on the F line,
ridership numbers have never been enough to justify it.
Express service used to be handled by the D line which ran from 205th
St to Coney Island via the Culver Line (current F route from W 4 St).
When the Chrystie Street connection opened up, the D was rerouted up
the Brighton Line and the F train took its place. The Chrystie St
connection allowed access to the 6th Ave line from the North Side of
the Manhattan Bridge.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 12:44:58:
In Reply to: [7]D-Type Nostalgia Special This Saturday posted by James
Tesoriero on December 11, 1997 at 18:38:03:
Back from Coney Island via Brighton? Way cool! The last time we did
that with the D-types was July 23rd, 1995, 30 years from the day the
D-types stopped running in revenue service. However, we hit a signal
(or something related to its operation) under Propsect Park and it
knocked off a set of door indicator lights. Hope that doesn't happen
again. Newer cars are a little more tapered at the top.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to go because it's my daughter's 6th
birthday. Also, it's gonna be c-c-c-cold!
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 12:50:29:
In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Quigebo on December 11, 1997 at 15:32:56:
It was built underground in anticipation of an extension further east
into Queens. It never happened. Legend has it that there is a 1/2 mile
of tunnel behind the terminal wall.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 12:55:03:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Worth Street posted by subway-buff on December 11,
1997 at 18:49:38:
Did they take you to the abandoned 14th St local platform??
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SUBJECT>Re: KING GEORGE : Savior of Mass Transit??????
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 13:03:07:
In Reply to: [7]KING GEORGE : Savior of Mass Transit?????? posted by
Subman23 on December 09, 1997 at 16:12:00:
Companies that have unplanned profits or surpluses will sometimes
invest in themselves to improve or create new products, with the
anticipation of even further revenues and profits down the line.
The fare cut, however you want to package it, should never have
happened. The $167M should have been put to work in rehabilitating
infrastructure, completing delayed projects or implementing deferred
service improvements. The fare cut is going to be a temporary thing.
--Mark
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 12, 1997 at 13:05:39:
Does anyone know if Newkirk is offering a 1998 calender this year?? I
haven't seen or heard anything about one..thanks!!
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POSTER>sdc-foti
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Posted by sdc-foti on December 12, 1997 at 13:16:47:
In Reply to: [6]Culver Express posted by Charles Fiori on December 12,
1997 at 12:10:11:
I'll Have a look tonite, and i'll write back on saturday,
Foti-
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 13:19:05:
In Reply to: [7]To: Mark Feinman>How do you do it? posted by Charles
Fiori on December 10, 1997 at 13:36:52:
Figuring that others might be interested in doing this, too, here's
how it is done.
For the purposes of this example, I will use parenthesis to represent
the greater than and less than signs.
You simply enter the HTML anchor tag (a) and (/a) to create your
hypertext link.
For example, if I wanted to create a hypertext link to the yahoo
search engine, I could enter a sentence like this:
For more information, (a href="http://www.yahoo.com")check out the
Yahoo search engine(/a).
When submitted, the words "check out the yahoo search engine" become
the hypertext lnk to www.yahoo.com because the anchor tag is
understood by HTML and converted for you on the fly.
The example above will look like this "for real":
For more information, [8]check out the Yahoo search engine.
You must be extra careful that you don't leave out one of the double
quotes or you may get a message "forbidden by rule" if you try to
click on the link. This happened to me a few months ago.
Hope this helps!
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Posted by sdc-foti on December 12, 1997 at 13:19:24:
In Reply to: [6]98 calender??? posted by Lou from Middletown on
December 12, 1997 at 13:05:39:
Yes, and its out already, you can get one tomorrow at the UTC meeting
at Masonic Hall, 19th floor, 23rd and 6th, around 6:30 when doors
open.
Foti-
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SUBJECT>Click Here for Link to MTH O-27 Subway Car
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 13:32:00:
In Reply to: [7]Re: O-27 Subway Car? posted by wsteil on December 10,
1997 at 18:46:32:
Click [8]here for a link to the MTH web site.
--Mark
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 12, 1997 at 13:42:36:
Thanks to Mark S. Feinman, I now know how to change these ideas into
hyperlinks. Let's see if it works.
[6]Follow Ups:
* [7]Re: Lenox Ave Reconstruction:Day 2 _Gary Jacobi_ _17:27:19
12/12/97_ (0)
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on December 12, 1997 at 14:53:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "Transportation Justice" posted by Carl M. Rabbin
on December 09, 1997 at 12:59:39:
They need to shift the funds from Highways to transit NY state has
some of the lowest gas taxes in the country. High gas tax would
provide capital for transit expansion.
Gas tax is wis is about $.19 for state tax
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Posted by KRYLLYN on December 12, 1997 at 15:59:15:
HELLO. THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY COLUMNS ON SUBWAYS THAT I THINK YOU
WILL FIND INTERESTING. I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE "GREAT" NEW YORK
CITY SUBWAY SYSTEM. I HAVE RIDEN THE SYSTEM AND I THINK THAT IT IS
MORE INTERESTING THAN NYC ITSELF! I LOVE THE WAY NEW YORKERS REFER TO
THE SYSTEM
AS IT USED TO BE CALLED( I.E. IRT, IND, BMT) AND LOVE SEEING THE
TRAINS IN THE STATIONS. THE PROBLEM IS, I AM A STATEN ISLANDER AND GET
REALLY PISSED HAVING TO TAKE A FERRY TO MANHATTAN OR CROSS THE
VERRAZANO BRIDGE TO BROOKLYN( APLACE I DON'T MIND VISITING ANYWAY.)
NOW CURRENTLY THERE ARE 25 NUMBERED OR NAMED SUBWAY LINES. THE IRT IS
ALL NUMBERED LINES. THE IND IS ALL LINES IN A BLUE SPHERE AND ALL
OTHER TRAINS ARE THE BMT. THERE ARE 5 IDEAS FOR S.I. LINES-THE 8
TRAIN, THE H,I,K AND P TRAINS. OTHER LETTERS ARE ALITTLE STUPID. I
DONT THINK IT IS FAIR TO US S.I.'S BECAUSE LAST CENSUS I CHECKED, WE
WERE PART OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!!! IF IT TRULY IS THE NEW YORK SUBWAY
THEN IT SHOULD SERVE ALL NEW YORK CITY. THANK YOU.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 12, 1997 at 16:40:09:
In Reply to: [7]SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by KRYLLYN on
December 12, 1997 at 15:59:15:
Hey, stop SHOUTING.
The distinction between IND and BMT is not as simple as you make it
out to be. It works like this:
In Manhattan: A,B,C,D,E,F - IND **** N,R,L,J,M,Z - BMT
In Bronx - all lettered lines IND
In Queens - Queens Boulevard lines (E,F,G,R) and Rockaway Line IND ***
N to Astoria BMT
In Brooklyn - A,C,G and F to Church/Ditmas - IND ***
N,R,B,F,D,L,J,M,Z, Franklin Shuttle BMT
The connections built in and after 1949 which connect former BMT and
former IND segments are where the divisions now are blurred-- the
Chrystie St. connection which connects the BMT Manhattan and
Williamsburgh Bridge lines to the IND 6th Avenue Subway, and the short
tunnel connecting 60th Street to Queens Boulevard (current R train).
The "subway to Staten Island" debate has been going on since the 1920s
or so. It's unlikely you'll ever see it built either because of cost
or NIMBY or whatever.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 12, 1997 at 17:09:01:
In Reply to: [7]98 calender??? posted by Lou from Middletown on
December 12, 1997 at 13:05:39:
Yup, it's out. Think I got mine at Shore Line Trolley Museum back in
Octoberish.
-Dave
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Posted by subway-buff on December 12, 1997 at 17:15:42:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Worth Street posted by Mark S Feinman on December
12, 1997 at 12:55:03:
No t0 14th side platforms, But they did repeat the spiel from the
"curios" tour about the proximity sensors and the moving platforms.
The only new thing wass no "standr clear of the moving platform..."
spiel!
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POSTER>Chris C.
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Posted by Chris C. on December 12, 1997 at 17:18:23:
Thanks to the new metro card it is now possible to ride two for the
price of one. If you take the bus to work, find a pal who takes the
subway around the same time as you. Swipe your card at the turnstyle
and have your pal enter the system. Then take the card and use the
transfer to board the bus for Free. At the end of the week square up
with your pal/spouse/accomplace. Find a friend for the ride back!!!
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Posted by Bryan Layne on December 12, 1997 at 17:20:44:
New pictures of retired CTA cars at Metra/Chicago Transit Fan Page.
click on this---------->[7]members.aol.com/chictafan/rosctahp.html/.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 12, 1997 at 17:24:43:
In Reply to: [6]SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by KRYLLYN on
December 12, 1997 at 15:59:15:
In case Dave's message, below, is too subtle, the web convention is
that all capital letters means you are angry!
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Posted by Quigebo on December 12, 1997 at 17:26:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 Line - Built to Handle BMT-Type Cars? posted by
Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 12:50:29:
But can these tunnels handle BMT cars?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on December 12, 1997 at 17:27:19:
In Reply to: [6]Lenox Ave Reconstruction:Day 2 posted by Charles Fiori
on December 12, 1997 at 13:42:36:
No, it didn't work. I knew it sounded too easy. Maybe Mark has
software that we don't have?
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SUBJECT>Re: What's Your Daily Commute? BORING??#4
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Posted by Quigebo on December 12, 1997 at 17:43:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? BORING??#4 posted by
Lou on December 12, 1997 at 12:26:41:
Red cars do operate regularly on the 4, the R33s, but nowhere near as
many as on the 2, which has the lion's share of 33s. I suppose this is
because they don't have enough R62s, which operate exclusively on the
4. But I think they should send those 33s to the 6 and put the 6's
R62As on the 4 (obviously the 6 doesn't have enough 62As, otherwise it
wouldn't have R29s, 33s, and 36s). The 6 would then get new R142s just
like the 2, 5, and 7. It's very annoying to be waiting for a 5 to go
home and just when you think a 5 is coming, it turns out to be another
4 except it's got red cars like the 5. Anybody agree?
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POSTER>Quigebo
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Posted by Quigebo on December 12, 1997 at 17:55:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Threecarunits...(was Canarsie...) posted by Ed
Sachs on December 11, 1997 at 12:39:28:
So that's why they were scrapped. I thought the TA just didn't believe
in articulated units. BTW, the MS units are five-section units, and I
really think they're a natural for the Canarsie line. If they can take
curves faster than any traditional car, then why not give them another
shot. Adtranz makes a three-section unit for the Stockholm subway. The
TA ought to test it on the J, L, or M. It looks nice too. There's a
picture of it at www.adtranz.com
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POSTER>Incubis
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Posted by Incubis on December 12, 1997 at 18:38:36:
In Reply to: [6]SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by KRYLLYN on
December 12, 1997 at 15:59:15:
Oh look, see Spot run.
Funny, funny Spot.
Look, Jane, here comes boots too.
Gee, Jane, let me tell you about subways,
Okay Dick, tell me about the choo-choo
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on December 12, 1997 at 20:29:15:
In Reply to: [7]Re: How to place hypertext links in SubTalk Posts
posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 13:19:05:
Let's see if it works:
[8]Here is a really cool TTC site!
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on December 12, 1997 at 20:32:51:
In Reply to: [7]Re: How to place hypertext links in SubTalk Posts
posted by Brian Wolk on December 12, 1997 at 20:29:15:
Wicked! Now you can all join me in my fun!!
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on December 12, 1997 at 20:37:55:
In Reply to: [7]SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by KRYLLYN on
December 12, 1997 at 15:59:15:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
You New Yorkers are so complex with your I R T A B C J F K 1 2 3
stuff.
In Toronto it's simple. We just go by colours: The Yellow, The Green,
The Blue and soon, The Purple. That's IT!
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POSTER>GAR
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SUBJECT>O'Hare extension
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Posted by GAR on December 12, 1997 at 23:05:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How does a subway get extended? posted by Alan
Follett on December 06, 1997 at 17:07:48:
From what I have read the main points of debate on extending from
O'Hare
are the cost of tunneling under the airport & using ROW on the NW
Tollway. The Tollway Authortiy has room but they want to use it for
more auto lanes.
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on December 12, 1997 at 23:30:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd Avenue Station & The Smith Street Subway
posted by Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 12:37:16:
whyd they remove all the tile at the lower level of bergan street? it
cant be reused so why remive it? it makes no sense?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 12, 1997 at 23:48:09:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Daniel A.
Valles on December 09, 1997 at 21:10:38:
Your daily commute doesn't sounds so boring. Look at it this way,
you're crossing a state line and using two separate modes of public
transit, bus and subway (treating PATH as a subway). Not all that many
people in the United States can say the same.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on December 12, 1997 at 23:49:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Threecarunits...(was Canarsie...) posted by
Quigebo on December 12, 1997 at 17:55:40:
The only "fly in the ointment" is that AdTranz has not been able to
deliver 1 order on time or to spec yet. SEPTA's new Market El cars are
late, overweight (1500 lbs per car) and AdTranz just settled with
SEPTA on the penalty on the contract. AdTranz will provide a 23
million dollar, state-of-the-art, cab signal system for the streetcar
subway at NO cost to SEPTA. However, at the rate of car delivery it
may take until 2005 to deliver all the cars to replace the 1961 Budds.
On the LRV front, AdTraz is way behind on the delivery of 18 cars to
the Baltimore MTA's Central Light Rail Line. Two cars have been
delivered, but not accepted. This has placed a strain on the current
fleet. With the opening of the Penn Station/BWI branches, the car
fleet is stretched to the limit, with only 2 spare cars available.
Trains on the Hunt Valley/Dorsey Road line are strictly 2-car trains
and Penn/BWI trains are single cars. What the MTA is going to do on
March 31 '98 is anybody's guess. Baseball traffic is heavy enough to
require 3-car trains. The contractor building the south car house at
Dorsey Road has been allowed to slow down for the winter since there
is no need for the facility until all of the 18 cars are delivered.
AdTranz's track record (no pun intended) is frankly terrible, and at
the rate they are going, new contracts are going to become scarce. If
the firm survives into the 21st century I will be very surprised.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 12, 1997 at 23:59:48:
One thing I haven't been able to find is a ranking of LIRR lines, in
order of ridership. That might be interesting because there definitely
are some major differences from line to line (unlike Metro-North,
where the three lines are relatively close to one another in ridership
terms.
Anyway, here is my guess as to how the LIRR lines stack up in
ridership terms (busiest to least busy):
1. Ronkonkoma.
2. Pt. Jefferson (mostly to Huntington).
3. Babylon.
4. Pt. Washington.
5. Long Beach.
6. Montauk.
7. Hempstead.
8. Far Rockaway.
9. Oyster Bay.
10. West Hempstead.
11. Greenport.
Does anyone have information to the contrary?
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on December 13, 1997 at 00:47:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by Wayne Johnson
on December 06, 1997 at 23:28:03:
downtown d train at 10:35 pm from bedford park blvd to 47th-50th
street rockefeller center in which i get to at about 11:10 pm. 35
minute trip all total down town. uptown d in reverse about the same on
the weekends except monday, thursday and friday during rush hours,
when thay sometimes put a c train in front of the uptown d train, it
will take about 45 minutes due to congestion at beford park blvd and
the 205th st station. i work from 12 am to 8am, the graveyard shift.
my work week starts on thursday and ends on monday the following week,
with tuesday and wednesdays off.
charlie muller.
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POSTER>GAR
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Posted by GAR on December 13, 1997 at 01:38:50:
In Reply to: [6]Lenox Ave Reconstruction:Day 2 posted by Charles Fiori
on December 12, 1997 at 13:42:20:
Let's see if I can get this to work......
[7]Shore Line Historical Society
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POSTER>Albert
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Posted by Albert on December 13, 1997 at 01:39:25:
Can anyone one tell me if the Main St. station on the #7 line is the
only last stop station where there is actually a wall and not a tunnel
which goes to wherever?. I have been to some other "last stops"
underground and I have never noticed that "white-tiled wall" like the
one at Main St.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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DATE>Dec 17 15:38:19 1997
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on December 13, 1997 at 01:45:26:
In Reply to: [7]Re: SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by Brian Wolk on
December 12, 1997 at 20:37:55:
Well, NY has so many lines that color wouldn't work. Color breaks down
between 4 and 8 lines. Once you've exausted red, green, blue, orange,
yellow, brown, purple, grey, black - you're stuck. Not to mention what
color blind people do. Septa ( and CTA?? Brian??) at least list
destionations / names (Broad Street, etc) on some lines, but I don't
think Boston, DC, or the Bart do. I agree NY's Letter / Number scheme
breaks down at points, but with all those lines, it's hard to refer by
name, and color would be impossible. Also, with colors, you inevitably
get into the trap of painting cars the color of the line they run on
(Boston??). This in itself would be an ops nightmare for NY.
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POSTER>GAR
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Posted by GAR on December 13, 1997 at 01:59:57:
In Reply to: [6]Embedded Link posted by GAR on December 13, 1997 at
01:38:50:
I'm not to good at giving instructions but here goes...Try
highlighting and copying Mark's instructions to a doc.(On a PC use the
edit menu copy&paste) Copy the address of the page you want to link by
highlighting the address field in your browser. Highlight just the
address portion of the sample from http to the end and paste in the
new address .Copy and paste the entire line into your post -from the
first ( to the last ). Next change the )'s into >'s. Where Mark has-
"check out the Yahoo search engine" - place the text you would like to
appear as a link.....
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on December 13, 1997 at 02:51:52:
In Reply to: [7]Re: SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by Brian Wolk on
December 12, 1997 at 20:37:55:
Colours in Toronto? Geez, I always refererred to the lines by their
correpsonding streetnames, you know, Bloor Danforth, Yonge (for the
whole YUS megillah) the RT and soon the sheppard. (ooh, by the way,
ever swiped a TTC on car route map?? Well worth it! *looks at his
wall*
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POSTER>Pat Villani
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DATE>Dec 17 15:38:27 1997
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Posted by Pat Villani on December 13, 1997 at 03:15:21:
In Reply to: [7]Brooklyn Tech posted by Tim Speer on December 07, 1997
at 12:42:16:
Yep, BTHS class of '72. Electronics.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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DATE>Dec 17 15:38:29 1997
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on December 13, 1997 at 05:44:18:
In Reply to: [7]Last Stop posted by Albert on December 13, 1997 at
01:39:25:
Well, I know that 8th Ave on the L has one, and 57/6 used to have one
before they knocked the wall out for 63st service. WTC's E platform,
possibly 207st on the A. 95st on the R in Brooklyn, for sure.
-Hank
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POSTER>subway-buff
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Posted by subway-buff on December 13, 1997 at 06:38:27:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Last Stop posted by Hank Eisenstein on December
13, 1997 at 05:44:18:
Another wall is at at Flatbush Av on the 2 train,. Tjhere is a a
partial wall at Canal Street on the j/m/z blocking the end of the
center two tracks which end at this station. I guess that at one point
they actually used those tracks?
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: Student pass abuse COLOR Lights on Turnstile
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 13, 1997 at 06:45:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Student pass abuse COLOR Lights on Turnstile
posted by Lou from Brooklyn on December 12, 1997 at 12:09:55:
One night on the 116 Street crosstown a young man paid his fair with a
senior citizen pass. When I noticed the picture wasn't him I took the
pass out of the farebox and told him that he wasn't supposed to use
this card since the only one to use this pass was the one it was
issued to on the card picture. I gave it back to him since I really
didn't have any recourse since he told me that the owner of the pass
knew he had it and he was using it. Then I told him that the
information on the card is kept on a computer in Jay St which follows
the use of all the cards in the system. At which he got off the bus at
the next stop claiming he was on the wrong bus. The only thing I hope
was that he didn't get that pass wrongfully and if he did, the pass
itself can be "turned off" and invalid for future uses.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: 2nd Avenue Station
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 13, 1997 at 06:49:28:
In Reply to: [7]2nd Avenue Station posted by Chris C. on December 12,
1997 at 10:15:29:
As a young boy I remember that at the 2 Av. stop before it was closed
off due to a homeless promblem there, trains were often pulled into
those two express tracks as far as they could go as in a layup and it
seems the tracks went up and curved. I grew up on Delancey Street and
use to ride the F all the time
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: Rat Control/Poisons
DATE>Dec 17 15:38:38 1997
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Posted by subway-buff on December 13, 1997 at 06:49:53:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Rat Control/Poisons posted by CHRIS on December
11, 1997 at 14:12:05:
two comments
1- That may be true,but what about the trains spreading the
droppings(feces) and urine of the rodents?
2- This is reminiscent of an earlier poster- Susan, RN and the TB
thread. are you sure you are not Susan RN?
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: What's Your Daily Commute?
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Posted by subway-buff on December 13, 1997 at 06:56:46:
In Reply to: [7]What's Your Daily Commute? posted by GAR on December
05, 1997 at 23:45:51:
in a dword- seatless and packed like sardines, seriously- I ride NJT
from Metro Park to Newark (NJ). On weekends I switch to the PATH to
WTC to get the subway. on weekdays I walk to work from Newark Penn.
speaking of the NECL? does anyone have the track map for the new
station- "Newark Airport" (My name- I dont know the official name.
They are adding a track on the North side of track 4 with an island
platform. I asked a conductor and he said somehting about a flyover
which would account for the island but where to from that- will the
NECL to Trenton run on the New Track or the old track- what about
traisn from tjhe Airport?Will they then flyover back to track 1?
i
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POSTER>Mike K
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DATE>Dec 17 15:38:42 1997
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Posted by Mike K on December 13, 1997 at 08:53:05:
In Reply to: [7]Free Ride posted by Chris C. on December 12, 1997 at
17:18:23:
Chris--
Good idea...with a minor problem.
If everyone does this, the MTA surplus will disappear. Then one of two
things will happen:
a) Fares will rise and the discounts will disappear.
b) Service will be further cut.
Think about it. Sometimes, honesty is the best policy.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re: NJ Transit overcrowding:the Secaucus conn.
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 13, 1997 at 10:11:35:
In Reply to: [6]NJ Transit overcrowding posted by Charles Fiori on
December 11, 1997 at 09:49:22:
This really makes you wonder what they're going to do when the
Secaucus Connection is opened and hundres of Main-PJ line customers
qre dumped onto the system!
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POSTER>Christopher Rivera
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SUBJECT>The New Third Avenue Line and more!
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on December 13, 1997 at 10:22:51:
I looked at the orignal 8 train/ Third avenue line and I said hey that
line was an impotant line so I got to work I developed the new 8 train
it goes from Gun Hill Road to J.F.K. airport and I made 3 more lines
like the new Culver Suttle that goes from 36 Street to Flatbush
Avenue.I need help I want these lines to be made and I need more ideas
help
Christopher Rivera
12 years old
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POSTER>Lefty
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Posted by Lefty on December 13, 1997 at 10:59:59:
In Reply to: [7]Last Stop posted by Albert on December 13, 1997 at
01:39:25:
the end of track 3 and 2 at grand central on the shuttle is a wall and
the train cant continue to anywhere. however at the other end of the
line, the bridge over which people walk to get to tracks 3 and 2 is
easily removable (built that way with reason) and trains could
continue onto the uptown local tracks where the 1 runs. at the grand
central end the 1 track on the S shuttle continues to "somewhere", i
imagine to the lex avenue lines. can anyone confirm that?
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POSTER>JOhn
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Posted by JOhn on December 13, 1997 at 11:13:30:
What is the ridership on the F line at 2nd ave station? Must be very
low.
I went there on midday and saw very few people on the platforms, 5 or
so, including me. Is it in a good neighborhood? How is it there at
night? Scary?
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POSTER>Earth Dog
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Posted by Earth Dog on December 13, 1997 at 11:32:18:
In Reply to: [7]Culver Express posted by Charles Fiori on December 12,
1997 at 12:10:11:
I have a 1979 edition of the Subway Map (the 75th Anniversary version)
that shows peak dircetion only(Am to 179, PM to Coney Island)express
service between 18th Ave and Kings Highway only. I believe that
express service between 18th Ave and Jay Street ended in 1976-77 at
about the same time several other cuts occurred (the end of the K and
the SS-South Ferry-shuttle lines, the combining of the EE and N to
Queens, and the CC and E rush hour terminal switch). The express
service between Kings Highway and 18th Ave ended in 1985 when the
center track was taken out of serice for repairs. (It was re-opened in
the early 1990s.) According to the most recent F line sked, Kings
Highway is still used as a rush hour terminus for a number of selected
F trips.
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POSTER>Mike
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SUBJECT>Ideas on how to improve NYCT bus service on Staten Island.
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Posted by Mike on December 13, 1997 at 12:38:10:
If you have any ideas on how to improve NYCT bus service on Staten
Island, please post it. Thank You.
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POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Re: Any Els In London?
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Posted by Nathan on December 13, 1997 at 14:15:47:
In Reply to: [7]Any Els In London? posted by Timothy on December 05,
1997 at 13:11:55:
Don't forget the DLR. True, it is not heavy rail but it runs almost
entirely on an elevated structure- the Beckton extension seems more
like a roller coaster swinging above motorways and below BR Lines.
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POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Re: Some More Answers to Miami Trains and Tri-Rail
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Posted by Nathan on December 13, 1997 at 14:23:04:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Some More Answers to Miami Trains and Tri-Rail
posted by Carl M. Rabbin on December 11, 1997 at 10:13:31:
Only 25 000???! I thought it would be more than that. I guess it is
probably more people than the Florida Turnpike handles in a month (!),
now, if you want to talk about a waste of money- we were on that
highway
in the morning rush and there was 3 cars ahead of us, on a five mile
straight!!
Anyway, if a heavy rail system only carries 25 000 people per day,
shouldn't it be classified as light rail? I do know that even
Calgary's two-line light rail system carries 115 000 per day, and
Vancouver's one line elevated system carries 120 000 per day at two
minute headways during rush hour (and politicians are JUST getting
around to building another line)
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on December 13, 1997 at 14:27:14:
I am working on an I-search paper for my English class and the topic I
chose was the original IRTsubway line. I need a few questions
answered. Although I know that the answers can be found at this
website, my teacher insists that I have an interview with someone.
Here are the questions:
1. Where did the first subway in New York city opened?
2. Where did it run?
3. Was it owned by NYC or a private company?
4. There are a few abandoned stations along the original line- what
are the names of the stations, where are they located, and why were
they abandoned?
5. Why was the subway built?
6. What was the cost of building the subway?
7. How long did it take to build?
Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it. You can e-mail
responses to these questions to Davidcsvrj@aol.com
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on December 13, 1997 at 15:47:47:
In Reply to: [7]Interview for a school project posted by David L. on
December 13, 1997 at 14:27:14:
1.The first subway opened in 1904. 2.It ran from City Hall to Woodlawn
231 Street and 241 Street. 3 It was owned by NYC and another company
it was called thr inter-brough rapid transit system. 4 yes on e is the
city hall station the 91 street station columbus station. 5 So it can
help people get from the Bronx to manhattan and I needed to lower the
people who take the surface transit. 6 I dont know 7 it took 4 years
fom 1900 to 1904. Nice to hlp Christopher Rivera
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on December 04, 1997 at
00:08:15:
They cant take away the R-68 model that is one of the best model that
the transit system. I bet that you take the D or the Q to brighton
beach or coney island. You know thatthey have alot of people that ride
ther train evey day. To replace with those oldies that is not good
news. Now where is the B train terminating and where is the C train
terminating.
Christopher
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on December 13, 1997 at 16:15:44:
Normally i take the Bx55 to my grandmothers house. It is allways a
packed bus line. When i saw 3rd avenue line. That got me mad cause
they should have kept the line. What do you think????
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on December 13, 1997 at 16:17:19:
In Reply to: [7]Interview for a school project posted by David L. on
December 13, 1997 at 14:27:14:
1.The first subway opened in 1904. 2.It ran from City Hall to Woodlawn
231 Street and 241 Street. 3 It was owned by NYC and another company
it was called thr inter-brough rapid transit system. 4 yes on e is the
city hall station the 91 street station columbus station. 5 So it can
help people get from the Bronx to manhattan and I needed to lower the
people who take the surface transit. 6 I dont know 7 it took 4 years
fom 1900 to 1904. Nice to hlp Christopher Rivera
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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DATE>Dec 17 15:39:16 1997
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Posted by Alan Follett on December 13, 1997 at 17:21:41:
In Reply to: [7]Re: SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by Philip
Nasadowski on December 13, 1997 at 01:45:26:
Although BART's maps color-code the lines, they are never referred to
by color designations. Platform electronic signs just give the
destination of the train.
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 13, 1997 at 17:50:19:
In Reply to: [7]Lenox Avenue Reconstruction posted by Charles Fiori on
December 11, 1997 at 08:46:20:
The reason for the reconstuction is that the IRT build the tunnel over
a stream Bed. The stream still run and it has taken a told to the
Walls of the tunnel. Ride The 2 train on a dry day at 116 street and
the track are wet. If you stand at the 116 platform looking at the
uptown track you will see about 2 inchs of water running between the
track at any time. See how clear the water is, that water is from a
underground stream. The MTA don't know where the stream starts from.
But from what I herd that water is clearer than Tap water. That is
hearsaid. I wouldn't drink
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 13, 1997 at 18:21:21:
In Reply to: [7]Last Stop posted by Albert on December 13, 1997 at
01:39:25:
207th Street - A line
95th Street - R Line
14th Street - L Line
21 St Q line - I think
World Trade Center - E line 2 track
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 13, 1997 at 18:26:30:
In Reply to: [7]Free Ride posted by Chris C. on December 12, 1997 at
17:18:23:
You can also ride for free if you jump the turnstile. The fact is that
"Theft of Service" is theft of service and no matter how hi tech or
low tech you are, it's still a crime. I don't know about you but if
I'm going to become a criminal, it's got to be for something worth
much more than a buck-fifty. Think about self-worth & honesty
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Posted by Steve on December 13, 1997 at 18:37:17:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What's Your Daily Commute? posted by David L. on
December 07, 1997 at 13:07:12:
David,
Just curious,
Did they change the school song now that they have admitted girls.
(Was "Tech alma mater, molder of men")?
Is Mrs. Bott (my favorite teacher) still there?
E-Mail me so we don't waste Dave's space
Biology wouldn't be my first choice but hang in there
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SUBJECT>Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of 145th St in the Spring
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Christopher Rivera on December
13, 1997 at 16:02:40:
Currently the B runs to 168th Street and the C runs to Bedford Park or
145th Street depending on the time of day. As for your thoughts on the
R-68s, I thank you. I know about 150 dedicated people who have taken
those cars and in 3 years, have turned them from the joke of transit
(no exaggeration) to the best performing car class in the B Division
(no exaggeration again). They are not happy about the prospect of
losing 'their' cars either.
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POSTER>Serafin Jr
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 13, 1997 at 18:46:35:
In Reply to: [7]Bx55 posted by Christopher Rivera on December 13, 1997
at 16:15:44:
I am a Bx55 rider and its not fun. I remember the 3ave el as a kid.
There where some area that the city buses couldn't pass under. The
platform was make of wood and some station could only handle onlt 5
cars. The el was to be replace by the ex 2 ave subway project. Write a
letter to your local Poliction. If enough people write them, they may
look at getting money for the 2nd ave Project again. BEWARE THEY ARE
GOING TO STOP THE BX55 SOON. I feel sorry for you. You better start
writing now and get a whole lot of people too.
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Nostalgia Train Report (Plus other news)
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Posted by subway-buff on December 13, 1997 at 19:29:11:
The train departed from the musuem on the spur to clinton/washington
where we reversed fdirection to Jay street and reversed again to
switch to the F to Coney Ilsand. We ran on the *express track** and
saw the lower level of bergen street. It is clean, has current style
exit signs, no name signs(as far as I saw) and the stairs to the upper
level are in place.There is no tile on the wall. We ran on the express
track to Church (Taking the short cut bypass for 15th and 7 av) where
we ran ont he center track to Stilwell. After a lunch break (at
nathan's) we ran on the Brighton Line to W4 via Manhattan bridge(the
same tracks the D uses). A highlight here was a slow run through the
closed Myrtle Flatbush station northbound platform. At west 4 we
switched to the A line to return to Hoyt where we switched back to the
spur to the musuem. We used three triplexes for the trip- the set in
the musuem and 2 other sets (1 set is a three section car).
**news** when 63 street opens: F runs express in brooklyn and G runs
local to Kings Highway. The Q will (if bridge opens) return to
Broadway and the V will run super express from 179. Bridge is 2005 if
luck holds up.
New calendars from museum due late this month or early Jan.
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Posted by subway-buff on December 13, 1997 at 19:33:29:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Last Stop posted by Lefty on December 13, 1997 at
10:59:59:
AT Grand Central, Track 1 leads to the downtown local track(before 33
street). They use this connection (as well as the removable "bridge"
at Times Square to get cars onto and off the shuttle. They rotate the
cars once a week(midnight hours). We used hit sconnection at Grand
Central for the recent Lo-V Trip.
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Posted by subway-buff on December 13, 1997 at 19:38:49:
In Reply to: [7]Free Ride posted by Chris C. on December 12, 1997 at
17:18:23:
No can do! The NYCT is studying this idea and is planning on a time
limit such as 6 minutes (Like the employee pass) or maybe 15-20
minutes. My source is the Daily News Article on the day the passes
were annnounced.
I do *not* work for transit and do not know the offical policy.
I urge you to respect the law. Fare beating is stealing. Imagine you
ran a store and I kept talking food or drinks from your store. You
have to buy the food, pay the bills, etc. If everyone steals your food
you go out of business or your raise prices which will send your
customers elsewhere and so on,
Imagine what the fare could be if everyone was honest. Any business ,
be it a barber shop, grocery store, railroad, subway has overhead
which must be recovered(raise prices, cut service, reduce hours, etc.)
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Posted by Gideon Sims on December 13, 1997 at 19:40:22:
does anyone know the average speed of today's subway trains?
i'd appreciate any help
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SUBJECT>Re: Lenox Avenue Reconstruction
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Posted by David L. on December 13, 1997 at 20:29:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Lenox Avenue Reconstruction posted by Serafin Jr
on December 13, 1997 at 17:50:19:
According to Jim Dwyer's book, _Subway Lives_, "When the state built a
large office building at 125th Street in Harlem in the 1970's, the
foundation displaced several underground streams. These backed into
the Lenox Avenue line. A huge apparatus is being installed there-400
'well points' where water will be drawn into a pump and the storm
sewer system."
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Posted by Eric B on December 13, 1997 at 21:30:09:
In Reply to: [6]Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service. posted by
MIKE on December 06, 1997 at 12:52:50:
The M/V service would probably better during the evenings and
weekends, instead of the shuttle to Myrtle. The TA feels that rush
hour service is not justified by the ridership, after the failed 8
year run. But alot of people make the transfer from the F evenings and
weekends. Another idea is to through route it with the C.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on December 13, 1997 at 21:50:40:
In Reply to: [7]The New Third Avenue Line and more! posted by
Christopher Rivera on December 13, 1997 at 10:22:51:
Ok Chris! We'll get back to you, AOK, check!
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Posted by ~airplane on December 13, 1997 at 22:08:08:
In Reply to: [7]Re: NJ Transit overcrowding:the Secaucus conn. posted
by Lou from Middletown on December 13, 1997 at 10:11:35:
What ever happened to Amtrak's plan to convert the main post office on
34th into a new Penn Station? Is it still on the drawing board?
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Posted by Eric B on December 13, 1997 at 22:27:57:
In Reply to: [6]2nd Avenue Station posted by Chris C. on December 12,
1997 at 10:15:29:
The tracks at 2nd Av originally went through to the express tracks at
Bway-Laf. and W4, but this was severed when the ramp to Chrystie St.
was built in the 60's. Before that, the 2 middle tracks were the
terminal of the rush-hr F (when the D was running out on the Culver.)
Before that, I think there was a time the E used it.
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Posted by charlie muller on December 13, 1997 at 23:50:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Last Stop posted by subway-buff on December 13,
1997 at 06:38:27:
last stops for these trains going north bound in the bronx. #1 and 9
last stop 242 st van cortlandt park, bronx; #4 woodlawn and jerome
ave, bronx; c train bedford park blvd, bronx; d train 205st norwood
section bainbridge ave, bronx; #2 241st wakefield section, bronx; #5
rush hours only Nereid aveune, 238th st, bronx; #5 lexington ave
express, dyre ave, eastchester, bronx;#6 Pelham bay park, bronx.
charlie muller.
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SUBJECT>Anyone else- PLEASE :-)
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Posted by David L. on December 14, 1997 at 01:42:41:
In Reply to: [7]Interview for a school project posted by David L. on
December 13, 1997 at 14:27:14:
Christopher- thank you for your time-you are the only one who took
time to respond :-)
Anyone else with a second opinion, I truly would appreciate it.
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Posted by Zack on December 14, 1997 at 02:30:14:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The New Third Avenue Line and more! posted by
Fernando Perez on December 13, 1997 at 21:50:40:
could be practicital to build elevateds again. this thime build them
out of concrete and steel like new freeways. with modlair construction
and automated cars that can have reg cabs it could be an intresting
propesititon. My lad but it up to the voters!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Zack on December 14, 1997 at 02:36:41:
In Reply to: [7]Re: D-Type Nostalgia Special This Saturday posted by
Mark S Feinman on December 12, 1997 at 12:44:58:
Take your daughter along on the trip the best of bolth worlds :)
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Posted by subway-buff on December 14, 1997 at 08:08:07:
In Reply to: [7]Interview for a school project posted by David L. on
December 13, 1997 at 14:27:14:
I would like to help with the stations: City Hall station, south of
the Brooklyn Bride Sta. was closed in the 1940s because the curved
paltform, and it was too short and could not be made longer and
Brooklyn Brtidge had more people. Also no longeer used is 18th st and
Park Ave South- again due to length of paltform and being close to
14th street express stop.
The *original* route went from City Hall loop to 145 st and Broadway.
It went up what is now the Lexington ave Line to Grand Central(not the
current locatiob), turned to what is now the shuttle.(The stop was
near the currwent Grand Central Shuttle stop) to Times Square (Shuttle
tracks and station) and then uptown on what is now the 1 train to 145
street. The following year it was extended to 145 and lenox with a
branch of that to Bronx Park (near the zoo). If youi go to Times
Square Shuttle walk to the end of Track 1 as if you were going to walk
towards to Bus Station. At the end of tyhe tracks you can see where
the tracks turned into the current #1 line. (At Grand Central track 1
connects to the downtown Local#6.)
These connections are used only for special trains and during midnight
ours to change cars on the shuttle.
If you live near NY I suggest you visit the museum underneath 110
Livingston Street (The Board of Education Building.) I am sure they
would be thrilled to help you.
Good luck- let us know if you get the A+
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Posted by GarfieldA on December 14, 1997 at 09:18:34:
In Reply to: [7]Subway train speed posted by Gideon Sims on December
13, 1997 at 19:40:22:
After a few subway accidents during the past few years, the MTA has
lowered the speed on most of the subway lines. In certain lines that
provide express service, the original was at least from 40-45 miles.
Now the speeds have been reduced to 30-35 miles. These signs are
yellow to orange signs and are along side the rail or wall of the
tracks. The text in bold black letters will say :
"40 miles"
Of course in order to see them, you will have to be on a train that
has a front viewable window in the front car. Trains like the BMT J,
M, Z, and L have this feature.
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Posted by J.D. on December 14, 1997 at 10:08:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island
posted by Steve Z on December 09, 1997 at 00:07:27:
Steve Z.. well thank you very much for the information, but I think
that it really might be the tunnel to Staten Island. Yesterday, the
14th I took a few train rides and actually saw this turn off, I
believe it was the N train that I took. I will try to investigate this
more with the NYC TA out of Jay St. As I had mentioned before, I met
this manager? who worked there. I do not believe there is access to
this tunnel from underground, do to the fact that it is cynderblocked
off for both tubes. Maybe there is a enterance from the top somewhere.
There must be some record of this tunnel ( if that what it really is)
somewhere, some place. Once again thanks..I do not knopw when I will
be be back at this site. Hopefully in a week or so.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on December 14, 1997 at 10:38:10:
In Reply to: [7]Re: SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by Philip
Nasadowski on December 13, 1997 at 01:45:26:
Your regards to the DC Metro is DEAD wrong. On the sides of the cars,
the color AND the destination is listed. For example, a portion of the
"flip-dot" sign is orange with "New Carrollton" listed next to it. It
is only on the ends of the cars where you see a giant colored dot in
the window for the designated colored line.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on December 14, 1997 at 10:43:31:
In Reply to: [7]SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by KRYLLYN on
December 12, 1997 at 15:59:15:
First of all----TURN YOUR CAPS LOCK OFF!!!--I had a rough night last
night & you're way too loud. Secondly, before you attack the NYC
subway--GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!! It appears you have no clue as to
the true history of the system and you certainly don't know the real
differences between the IND and the BMT. Get your facts straight and
then feel free to stop back. If a debate is what you want, a debate is
what you'll get.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on December 04, 1997 at
21:50:22:
I love the R-68 model it is the best. I made a new model the R-99
write to me if you want more info
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Posted by Cool Knight on December 14, 1997 at 11:18:50:
You heard of the 3rd avenue line you heard of the Culver Shuttle. Now
try to help me Christopher Rivera setup and expand these old lines. So
that we can lower prices and have a better system. Look at the
Historical section and look at the old lines and then give me the
ideas and extendtions and when I have enough signatures i wiil sent to
the MTA president and the State and City councel.Thaks Christopher
Rivera
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Posted by Cool Knight on December 14, 1997 at 11:27:20:
In Reply to: [7]Subway train speed posted by Gideon Sims on December
13, 1997 at 19:40:22:
The normal train Speed is 40-50 miles per hour but on the express it
is 50-60 miles per hour. One time the Q train was going 87 miles per
hour
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Posted by Steve on December 14, 1997 at 12:06:06:
In Reply to: [7]Subway train speed posted by Gideon Sims on December
13, 1997 at 19:40:22:
I assume that you are speaking about NYCT equipment. If so, following
propulsion system modification to slow the trains down, the agerage
speed is 35-40 MPH on level, tangent track. If you are interested in
speed, some of the fastest segments of the system are:
1)Downtown #4 from 125 St to midtown
2)D/Q/B downtown between 34th Street and W4 St.
3)N train Queens-bound through the 60th street tube.
Contrary to what might be posted below, no Q train ever went 87 MPH.
Prior to modification, the R-68/R-68A class had a top speed of roughly
55 MPH. An R-46 equipped to operate in full field shunting (not 100%
field shunting), on a test track out west,(during testing by the
federal Gov't.) achieved a speed of nearly 100 MPH however, I can not
document the test...
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on December 14, 1997 at 12:19:46:
In Reply to: [7]2nd Ave on F line posted by JOhn on December 13, 1997
at 11:13:30:
The 2nd Ave. Station, formerly referred to as Houston St. served as
the southern terminal for the F line into the 60s. The 2 center tracks
are now used for turning trains during General Orders and in
emergencies. Those two center tracks continued south for roughly 1,000
feet and were also used for storage. However, the homeless population
in that tunnel became so overwhelming and uncontrolable that the TA
was forced to wall it off.
As for the neighborhood, by day it is historical and busy. Many NY
landmarks are there, such as Katz's Deli (the President ate there last
week). However, by night, it is a different story.
Ridership is moderate at the station although paid ridership is likely
significantly less.
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Posted by GarfieldA on December 14, 1997 at 12:29:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway train speed posted by Cool Knight on
December 14, 1997 at 11:27:20:
How do you know if the Q train was going at that amount of speed. Were
you in the motorman's cab or something. And another, which part of the
line was the train going fast.
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Posted by Bootsy on December 14, 1997 at 13:32:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway train speed posted by Cool Knight on
December 14, 1997 at 11:27:20:
87, man! No way! Couldn't have been that fast! Maybe 87 km/h . . .
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POSTER>Bootsy
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SUBJECT>Re: Ideas on how to improve NYCT bus service on Staten Island.
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Posted by Bootsy on December 14, 1997 at 13:37:23:
In Reply to: [6]Ideas on how to improve NYCT bus service on Staten
Island. posted by Mike on December 13, 1997 at 12:38:10:
One way would be quite simply, to increase service frequency and not
close so many lines on Sundays. Most busses run every 20-30 minutes
and many don't operate on Sundays.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 14, 1997 at 13:43:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Last Stop posted by subway-buff on December 13,
1997 at 19:33:29:
Are the redbirds ever put on the shuttle? The last ones I saw on there
were the R-17s back in the late 80s, right before they were taken out
of service.
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POSTER>Bootsy
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Posted by Bootsy on December 14, 1997 at 13:49:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by Philip
Nasadowski on December 13, 1997 at 01:45:26:
Well, in New York, we already have RED down, and up until a few years
ago, some of those trains were painted GREEN.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on December 14, 1997 at 13:50:33:
In Reply to: [7]Re: NJ Transit overcrowding:the Secaucus conn. posted
by ~airplane on December 13, 1997 at 22:08:08:
Last I saw, it's still on the drawing boards. There was an article in
the NY Times about it a few months ago showing what it would look
like. It resembled (not coincidentally) the original Penn Station
though it was still not quite up to it. My question is though, what
will happen to the current Penn Station? Will it become a mall, be
used by only LIRR trains, etc.?
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POSTER>Eric B
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Posted by Eric B on December 14, 1997 at 15:19:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Last Stop posted by Steve on December 13, 1997 at
18:21:21:
Not 21st St. There was always layup space beyond the station, and of
course, in 4 years, it will become a through connection.
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Posted by Shunya Togashi on December 14, 1997 at 15:23:37:
Does anyone know exactly when these cars are going to be delivered???
will his be the last year for the R33, R36 and R38's??? I am real
desperate to know because I want to get some good shots of these
oldies before they're gone....
thanks
Shunya Togashi
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Posted by Tim Speer on December 14, 1997 at 15:31:58:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway train speed posted by Cool Knight on
December 14, 1997 at 11:27:20:
I strongly doubt a Q train has ever gone 87 miles per hour. With the
spacing of stations on the NYC subway system, speeds like this would
be incredibly unsafe. That doesn't mean a train of R68's or even R46's
couldn't go this fast if all the conditions were right, but the speeds
on NYC subway cars are governed. I rode BART back in in the 1970's,
and the speedometer read 83. Anybody know if they use MPH or KPH? This
was during the Carter administration, so one never knows...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Steve on December 04, 1997 at
21:50:22:
I kind of hate the idea of the B running to Bedford and the C to
168th( already does so). but i like the idea of having the R68's being
off the line. for some reason i hate seeing R68's, it doesn't look
right on the B line and you have such a bad view of the front(if even
a view)... I didn't really exist when the R42's were on the D line, so
it's a new opportunity for me....
shunya
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Posted by Eric B on December 14, 1997 at 16:23:59:
On Thurs. 12-4, MTA officials held a public forum on the East River
Crossings study, which deals with the subway tunnes and bridges
connecting Brooklyn and Manhattan below 14th St, with a focus on the
Manhattan Bridge, with its constant need of repairs, and threats of
closures.
The Task 8 report was printed in a thick binder, and includes 16
Manhattan Bridge service plans made up of four improvement packages:
MBA2, TSM, MBA 5, and MBA8 in four Bridge scenarios: C: fully closed;
S: Bway side (H) open only ; N: 6th Av (AB) side open only; and O:
fully open. The highlight of MBA 2 and 5 is the Deka;b-Rutgers
connection, to connect the BMT southern division to the Rutgers St.
tunnel, used by the F. The two lines cross right near the Brooklyn
approach of the Manhattan Bridge. TSM was a low-cost option that
requires no major building. MBA 2 and 8 also include the addition of a
pair of flying crossovers near the IRT's Nostrand Junction, around the
Franklin Av station, and extension of the tracks beyond Flatbush to a
new layup area, to increase IRT capacity. All options include
lengthening of #3 trains from 9 to 10 cars, and a transfer from
Lawrence St. to Jay St.All the options except MBA5 cut the C back to
WTC, and send the E express to the Rockaways, and the A local to
Euclid.
The most fascinating thing about the study to me was the service
plans. In the TSM and MBA8 options, which do not include the Rutgers
connection, we get to see exactly how the TA would run service if the
bridge shut completely down now, compete with peak hr headways. In
TSM, the Q would run 12 trains, all local in Brooklyn, and 7 trains
leaving Brighton Beach (called "QS") would run to Franklin. The B of
course would go to Pacific, the M to chambers, the N and R would run 8
trains each, for a total of 28 trains through the Montague tunnel. An
"FV" would run from Coney Is to 179th St via 63rd St, while the
regular F would run normal. (All plans include the opening of the 63rd
St connection). Both lines would run 14 trains. In MBA8, there is no
QS or FV, instead, the Q runs by itself on the Brighton, still 12
trains, and extends via the Bway connection to 63rd st to Queens. This
is the only one that uses that connection.
To be continued.
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Posted by Steve on December 14, 1997 at 17:02:43:
In Reply to: [7]R142 & R144 posted by Shunya Togashi on December 14,
1997 at 15:23:37:
I think the 33s and 36s will be around through 1999. There are no
plans to replace the 38s when the R-143s are delivered. The R-40
slants will likely go first.
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Posted by Steve on December 14, 1997 at 17:07:43:
In Reply to: [7]Nostalgia Train Report (Plus other news) posted by
subway-buff on December 13, 1997 at 19:29:11:
Thanks for the update 'SB'. The museum gets better info than we do - I
guess.
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DATE>Dec 17 15:41:28 1997
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Posted by Eric B on December 14, 1997 at 17:13:16:
In Reply to: [6]East River Crossings study posted by Eric B on
December 14, 1997 at 16:23:59:
Had to break this because I keep getting knocked off, and I don't want
to have to keep rewriting, so sorry.
In all of the Rutgers options, the Q is the line theat runs through
the connection, to 179th, because it can stay on the local tracks to
get to 63rd St, while the B and D would have to cross over to the
express tracks. Even with Rutgers, when the bridge is fully closed the
West End is a shuttle, and there is no M. Also, you wind up with the D
on Bway, and the Q on 6th Av. (on "S"- H tracks open scenarios also)
What a reversal! I hope these letter assignments are tentative,
because not only is there the split D service, but if the Q becomes
the Rutgers-63rd St. service, it will be permanently fixed to 6th Av,
when we all want to see it eventually go back to Bway. (It only does
in the non-Rutgers "H" side open scenarios. Even in the Fully open
scenarios, it travels its current route via AB tracks and 6th Av/63rd
St exp.) So I hope the Rutgers service becomes "V" and the Q replaces
the Bway D. In TSM & MBA8 -O, the additional H track capacity is used
by a T that goes via West End to 57th/7th, even while the B is
running! (The T is not used to replace Bway B during H side open
scenarios, though.
Cont.
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Posted by Cool Knight on December 14, 1997 at 17:16:39:
In Reply to: [7]East River Crossings study posted by Eric B on
December 14, 1997 at 16:23:59:
THat is bad thay are going to take away the best thing that the MTA
has. That is going to raise prices.
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Posted by David L. on December 14, 1997 at 18:38:36:
I noticed that they recently installed a yellow OPTO station stop card
sign on the south-bound platform of the Fulton Street station on the G
line. Is the MTA planning to expand OPTO to thsi line?
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Posted by a.pardi on December 14, 1997 at 19:01:48:
In Reply to: [7]OPTO on G line? posted by David L. on December 14,
1997 at 18:38:36:
you can bet your last dollar mta will put opto on the "G". infact
probably 1998-99
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POSTER>apardi
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Posted by apardi on December 14, 1997 at 19:06:31:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway train speed posted by Steve on December 14,
1997 at 12:06:06:
I used to have an R68 consist on the N astoria wrapped around after
clearing the timers southbound in the 60th st tube and achieved 58 mph
after the trains were modified. same for R46 r southbound in the tube
56-58 mph once the last timers have cleared for 50 mph .
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Posted by Steve on December 14, 1997 at 20:13:17:
In Reply to: [7]OPTO on G line? posted by David L. on December 14,
1997 at 18:38:36:
As sure as X-Mas is coming !!!
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Posted by Steve on December 14, 1997 at 20:17:14:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway train speed posted by apardi on December
14, 1997 at 19:06:31:
Had a 68A on the post in 60th St. tube a few weeks ago and max was 49
(I was not operating). Of course we had a pretty good load at the
time. Can't compare the 46s to 68s since the gear ratio is different.
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SUBJECT>Transit info
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Posted by Joseph P. Saitta on December 14, 1997 at 20:41:16:
Each year we produce the Metro New York Area Bus Mega Calendar®.
Features NY and NJ buses, historical and contemporary.
55 full-color, full-page photos, one for each week.
Glossy stock, spiral-bound. 1996, 1997 and 1998 editions still
available.
For more information and sample page, send a #10 self-addressed
stamped envelope to:
Mega Calendars®
PO Box 123
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or fax/phone: 516-379-3319
or E-mail at ³MegaCalndr@AOL.com²
Also have large inventory of thousands of black and white bus,
streetcar
and subway photos, primarily from East Coast, but especially from NY &
NJ,
from post World War II to early the 1960s.
Available: Nassau County's only preserved and operating historical
bus.
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Posted by Lefty on December 14, 1997 at 20:52:37:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Bx55 posted by Serafin Jr on December 13, 1997 at
18:46:35:
if they stop the BX55 what are they gonna do with all the articulated
buses that they bought especially for that line?
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Posted by subway-buff on December 14, 1997 at 20:53:58:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Last Stop posted by Bootsy on December 14, 1997 at
13:43:03:
The shuttle uses R-62 (or R 62A) Cars since it is OPTO(One operator)
althougjht here is a second operator on the other end. In theory the
NYCT should run redbirds here or any line-even IRT on BMT/IND (just
"watch the gap between the train and the platform. There is a large
gap between the train and the platform." As a regular NJT rider I am
used to hearing this lien since my "home"station metro park is in a
curve and the wesbound track is banked" the wrong way" there is a huge
gap and step down= The ADA people would have a field day here. (To
answer an unasked question: AMTRAk and NJT use ramps called "bridge
plates " to ramp from platform to ttain for wheelchair access
customers.)
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Posted by subway-buff on December 14, 1997 at 21:02:06:
In Reply to: [6]East River Crossings study posted by Eric B on
December 14, 1997 at 16:23:59:
could you post the link to the report. or can you post a chart shwoing
the various plans and effects on various trains?
I for one would be interested, as would our site host
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Posted by subway-buff on December 14, 1997 at 21:44:48:
In Reply to: [7]Re: 98 calender??? posted by sdc-foti on December 12,
1997 at 13:19:24:
They have them at the main Transit Musuem gift shop. I got mine on the
fall Lo-V Fan tour from the Newkirk Man They are great!
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 14, 1997 at 22:01:27:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Bx55 posted by Lefty on December 14, 1997 at
20:52:37:
The articulated buses are not only for the BX55. They are used on the
BX1 and Bx2. As you read this the MTA are tranfering some for these
buses from the KB depot to Gunhill depot Two are at walnut depot for
training use and (x) runs durning rush hours. They are going to use
some for the buses on the BX12 and run some for (x) run during rush
hour. The MTA are going to run more Buses (non- Articulated) on the
BX15 to make up for the lost of the BX55. You know what that means, A
long wait for a overcrowded bus. To those who read this please E-mail
or snail mail the MTA to keep the BX55 running. The MTA made a mistake
in the 70's by removing the 3rd ave El and replacing it with the
overcrowded bx55 bus service, lets not let them make another mistake.
For those who have strings to pull please yake it very hard. The
people of the Bronx need this service. Thank you very much.
IN MEMORY OF THE OLD 3RD AVE EL. LET THE BX55 RUN.
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 14, 1997 at 22:05:30:
The articulated buses are not only for the BX55. They are used on the
BX1 and Bx2. As you read this the MTA are tranfering some for these
buses from the KB depot to Gunhill depot Two are at walnut depot for
training use and (x) runs durning rush hours. They are going to use
some for the buses on the BX12 and run some for (x) run during rush
hour. The MTA are going to run more Buses (non- Articulated) on the
BX15 to make up for the lost of the BX55. You know what that means, A
long wait for a overcrowded bus. To those who read this please E-mail
or snail mail the MTA to keep the BX55 running. The MTA made a mistake
in the 70's by removing the 3rd ave El and replacing it with the
overcrowded bx55 bus service, lets not let them make another mistake.
For those who have strings to pull please yake it very hard. The
people of the Bronx need this service. Thank you very much.
IN MEMORY OF THE OLD 3RD AVE EL. LET THE BX55 RUN.
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 14, 1997 at 22:06:41:
The articulated buses are not only for the BX55. They are used on the
BX1 and Bx2. As you read this the MTA are tranfering some for these
buses from the KB depot to Gunhill depot Two are at walnut depot for
training use and (x) runs durning rush hours. They are going to use
some for the buses on the BX12 and run some for (x) run during rush
hour. The MTA are going to run more Buses (non- Articulated) on the
BX15 to make up for the lost of the BX55. You know what that means, A
long wait for a overcrowded bus. To those who read this please E-mail
or snail mail the MTA to keep the BX55 running. The MTA made a mistake
in the 70's by removing the 3rd ave El and replacing it with the
overcrowded bx55 bus service, lets not let them make another mistake.
For those who have strings to pull please yake it very hard. The
people of the Bronx need this service. Thank you very much.
IN MEMORY OF THE OLD 3RD AVE EL. LET THE BX55 RUN.
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Posted by Serafin Jr on December 14, 1997 at 22:22:04:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway train speed posted by Steve on December 14,
1997 at 12:06:06:
The MTA tested the one set of R-46 on the LIRR back in the 70's. The
top speed was a dissapointing 72 mph before half of the R-46 motor
failed. That is document on April 1977 highlight newletter.
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Posted by Serafin JR on December 14, 1997 at 22:27:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway train speed posted by apardi on December
14, 1997 at 19:06:31:
I have also seen what Apardi seen at the southbound 60th st tube. a
R46 at 58 mph. Surpize that a motor or two didn't fail on that Pullman
r46 juck.
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Posted by Lefty on December 14, 1997 at 22:33:32:
In Reply to: [7]articulated buses posted by Serafin Jr on December 14,
1997 at 22:05:30:
i know about the bx1 and bx2.. being that i live 2 minutes from the
end of the bx1 in riverdale.. i plan on taking some pictures of the
artics tomorow and scanning them to contribute to teh bus depot
website...
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Posted by Rich on December 14, 1997 at 22:41:40:
I'll be visiting NYC soon. Does New York's subway system offer an
all-day visitor's pass like Washington DC or Boston? If so, how do I
get one. Please e-mail me if you know the answer. Thanks!
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 14, 1997 at 22:45:52:
In Reply to: [7]Re: OPTO on G line? posted by a.pardi on December 14,
1997 at 19:01:48:
Actually, I'm a bit surprised that the G wasn't one of the first lines
to get late-night OPTO service, as it tends to be lightly patronized
during those hours.
I wouldn't be surprised to see several more lines with late-night OPTO
service before long. Probably the only ones reasonably certain not to
get it would be the 1 and the 4 (curved platforms), the 7 (can't be
done with Redbirds, plus ridership is too high), and maybe the A and
the E (high ridership).
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 14, 1997 at 22:48:36:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Last Stop posted by subway-buff on December 14,
1997 at 20:53:58:
If you want to see "gap" go to London some day. :-) At some platforms
there's a 6 inch step up or down to get into the train and a mindless
droning voice saying "mind the gap.... mind the gap..." over and over.
(Maybe someone should hack the 14th St. gap fillers annoucement with a
recording of London's... :-)
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Posted by Peter Rosa on December 14, 1997 at 22:57:28:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Last Stop posted by subway-buff on December 14,
1997 at 20:53:58:
I wouldn't expect to see IRT cars used in revenue service on any
BMT/IND lines. Keep in mind that an IRT car is 14 inches narrower
(8'10" vs. 10'), so the gap would be seven inches wider on the
platform side, added to the two or three inches already there. The
chance of accidents - and lawsuits - is just too high.
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Posted by Joe-M on December 14, 1997 at 23:13:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: articulated buses posted by Lefty on December 14,
1997 at 22:33:32:
What is the address of the bus depot pages?? I would like to take a
look.
Articulated buses are effective a peak times but the expense for use
during peak hours may not justify the savings in labor and they have a
tendecy to increase headways 2 artics = 3 regular buses. You get the
same cappacity but less frequent service
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Posted by Joe M on December 14, 1997 at 23:18:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Last Stop posted by David Pirmann on December 14,
1997 at 22:48:36:
Toronto also reminds riders to mind the gap, but the conductors got
rid of the whistles to warn of the door closing in favor of door
chimes a couple of years ago. Effective but not nearly so quaint.
maybe I will make it to London someday... Nah, maybe Dublin and
Shannon
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Posted by Joe M on December 14, 1997 at 23:28:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Free Ride posted by Steve on December 13, 1997 at
18:26:30:
It's also not worth the fine if you get caught. St Louis and parts of
San Fran. do not have attendants or turnstyles. They work on the honor
system. You are supposed to get a fare. Once in a while checkers come
through the trains. If you don't have the correct fare reciept its a
bug fine.
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Posted by Joe M on December 14, 1997 at 23:37:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Free Ride posted by Steve on December 13, 1997 at
18:26:30:
It's also not worth the fine if you get caught. St Louis and parts of
San Fran. do not have attendants or turnstyles. They work on the honor
system. You are supposed to get a fare. Once in a while checkers come
through the trains. If you don't have the correct fare reciept its a
bug fine.
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SUBJECT>Re: MTA Transit Surplus
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In Reply to: [7]MTA Transit Surplus posted by GarfieldA on November
25, 1997 at 11:04:02:
As attractive as it may sound, I contend that a fare reduction is an
unwise move for the TA in the long term. It may work for this year,
but next year when the TA is cash-strapped and needs more money, there
will be no surplus and the fare will need to be raised again. This
yo-yoing of the fare makes the MTA look financially unstable and
unwise with their assets. Also, take into consideration that starting
in January there will be Metrocards with a 11 for 10 fare on them. So
the discount is coming soon; I think that since we have waited this
long we can wait a while longer. Plus we were just given free
transfers which I'm sure has saved people a ton of money. But we must
make sure that this money stays with the MTA and doesn't get eaten up
by the state. Let's use this money to upgrade the signaling system,
build the 2nd Ave. Subway, and other upgrading projects within the
subway.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Nick on November 25, 1997
at 18:01:08:
Actually there is only 1 train of R-110As (two 5-car units) and just 1
train of R-110Bs (three 3-car units)
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In Reply to: [7]Sounds Good! posted by Nick on November 25, 1997 at
09:49:38:
Just a point of curiosity, what is the record and when was it set?
Sounds like it'll be great fun to try. In the early 60s, the TA
published it's maps with pictures of new cars and sme trivia. One of
the trivia items was the record for riding the entire system. Of
course, that was before Chrystie Street and the closing of the
Manhattan Bridge Etc. Etc.
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In Reply to: [7]The record?? posted by Steve on November 27, 1997 at
17:23:29:
Hey Steve - Just take a look at my posting below in the middle of all
the postings about "breaking the record".
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In Reply to: [7]Re: The record?? posted by Adam on November 27, 1997
at 19:59:45:
I'm sorry, I meant to say to say see my postings in the postings
entitled "Everybody Read This".
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In Reply to: [7]MTA Transit Surplus posted by GarfieldA on November
25, 1997 at 11:04:02:
A fare reduction would be politically correct but would not, in my
opinion, be a wise option. After all, it is not fare cuts which have
led to the subject surplus. The reason for the surplus is increased
ridership do to improved service and reduced crime. Theefore, it would
make more sense to use the surplus to make further improvements and
increase ridership further. This would lead to fare stability for the
future. The question then becomes, how best to use the money to
improve the service.
The answer to that is obvious. Look at where the service is lacking
and improve there. To anyone familiar withthe system, the area most in
need of improvement is in the area of signals. It goes without saying
that the last 4 'incidents' were, at least in part, due to an
inadequate signal system. My feeling is that 4 areas need immediate
attention in the signalling area. First is the Queens Blvd. Corridor
where the addition of the 'Q' service will severely tax this already
overburdened line. The others are the 6th Avenue corridor, the 8th
Avenue Corridor and the Central Park West corridor. Improvements in
these areas would enable the TA to increase traffic and speed while
reducing headways. Trains would be more frequent and less crowded,
making ridership still more attractive.
A fare reduction at this time might be a popular move but it most
definitely would have no self-sustaining properties and a year form
now we'd be looking at a return to the $1.50 fare or more.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Phila Welcome Line Update posted by John Stewart
on November 25, 1997 at 13:42:14:
The Welcome Line follows a portion of Route 23 on 11th and 12th
Streets. It actually does not go through the traditional tourist area
but passes the new Convention Center, the main Market Street shopping
area, and some other areas of note in Center City Phila. There are
proposals to extend it across Center City to the Independence Hall
area and beyond, but for now it's mainly a chance to ride PCC cars.
It does touch the "Antique Row" area at Pine Street and brushes the
western stretches of the South Street "hip" corridor. Reading Terminal
Market and Chinatown are also on the line. The extended line gets you
within two blocks of the famed Italian (9th Street) Market in South
Phila. The original Welcome Line tied to the Zoo via Route 15 (Girard
Ave). The special version to be operated this season goes north only a
few blocks past the Convention Center area to the new turnback
location at Noble Street.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: The record?? posted by Adam on November 27, 1997
at 20:02:34:
I wonder how many people are planning on doing this, or are just
interested, but can't mkae this meeting. I think those who are (like
myself) should make a post saying so. It might make a difference on
planning depending on how many people are actually riding? Or is this
just a small team doing it with support from the rest of us here on
Subtalk?
JC
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In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Steve on November 27, 1997
at 16:54:22:
Well, the A is 2 5-car units, and the B is 3 3-car units....
As far as cars, the R33/36 cars running on the 7 are the NEWEST of the
redbirds...they date from 1964, and happen to be the most
well-maintained units in the fleet, with an MTBF just below that of
the R68 (or is it 62) The expected plan for the R142 cars is for them
to move to the 1/3/4/6, and the 62's on those lines to be shifted over
to the 2/5/7 lines.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [7]Re: MTA Transit Surplus posted by Steve on November
27, 1997 at 20:23:28:
Steve, as usual your comrade in the underworld shares your opinion.
In addition to your suggestions, I strongly feel the need to create a
De Kalb - Rutgers connection so that B,D,Q service can be routed into
Manhattan via the "F" line. As we all know the Manhattan Bridge will
be undergoing structural renovation through 2004 (probably longer).
With the continuing Manhattan Bridge fiasco another alternative to the
Montague Tunnel is needed to get riders into/ out of Manhattan.
Guess I will always be waiting for the 2 Avenue Subway.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 27, 1997 at 22:04:25:
I think you'll find that politics being what they are, R-142s will
find their way to the Corona fleet. As for the best maintained fleet,
that's very subjective and I would obviously have to disagree.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: MTA Transit Surplus posted by Subman23 on November
27, 1997 at 22:48:57:
Great suggestion except that $167 million would hardly get the project
started. Besides, the surplus would be operating money where-as the
connection you suggest would come from capital program money. The feds
frown on mixing the two.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Steve on November 27, 1997
at 22:50:22:
I don't know about being the best-maintained cars in the fleet, but
there are tiny differences in them from the other redbirds. The
Flushing redbirds still have the lighting in the center of the ceiling
and the lights still flick off at third rail gaps (will the lights on
the R-142 also be like that? I doubt it).
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A friend of mine showed me a internal memo he "found" that says
sometime near January or March Walnut depot and 100 St. depot will be
closed. Among some of the changes will be:
Amsterdam gets the M100,BX6,BX15
Manhattanville-M2,M60,M101
Mother hale-Bx19
And the Westside depot will get most of the crosstowns in Midtown
including the M103 and the M10.
Of course all of this still remains in the air.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Bootsy on November 27,
1997 at 22:57:12:
the #7 redbirds also have picture windows instead of the traditional
drop-sash windows + they have the Identra loop antennas
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In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 27, 1997 at 22:04:25:
Why would the MTA move the relatively old R62's onto the 2,5 and 7
lines when they could put the new trains on the 2,5,7 lines. I ride
the 2&5 lines and we have suffered enough with the redbirds. We should
be rewarded with new trains. What does the MTA have against the 2,5,7
lines? is it written that they should always have the old trains?
Whats the deal?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by GarfieldA on November 25,
1997 at 16:59:20:
yo man i write up not alot by sometimes during and only in the summer,
I used to go up in trains but when i'm with my friends they act stupid
and yell there;s a train coming and i can't finish writing up and jump
on the platform.How can i not be scared?
ench2 gia
queens,ny
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In Reply to: [7]Re: The record?? posted by Joshua Caesar on November
27, 1997 at 21:10:36:
Obviously, we would like to have and encourage as many people who are
interested in breaking the record to come to the meeting because the
more people, the more ideas, and the more fun it will be to do this
with a team of enthusiastic subway riders! I realize that this may be
a bad weekend for some, due to the holiday weekend or due to other
prior commitments like one of my friends who went away to see his
girlfriend but really wanted to attend the meeting. So for those of
you who want to attend the meeting on this Saturday but are unable to,
we will post on here exactly what occurred at the meeting in order to
keep everybody who's interested abreast of what's going on. Also, I'm
sure that we'll have another meeting soon, so those who were
unfortunately unable to miss this one can make the next one which
hopefully will be at a time convenient for all, if that's possible!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by steve on November 28, 1997
at 00:11:03:
Great point on the Identras. Can any one of the transit savants out
there offer a cogent discussion as to what they were (are) for? I
remember the motorman reaching out the window to push a button on
those things, but never really knew what they did. Someone told me it
had something to do at the interlocking north of QBP.
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I am requesting your help,,,thank you
http://www.inergy.com/ROCKAWAY
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In Reply to: [6]NYC Bus Destination Sign Page posted by chris on
November 28, 1997 at 07:57:14:
Are you looking for readings? Do you collect signs? Do you know
someone who does?
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Current issue of Queens Tribune, available on-line, has an article on
subway signalling. Not real deep, but no glaring inaccuracies, either.
The ever-present "experts" Messrs. Russianoff and Dobrow chime in as
per usual. (Kind of like "Zelig"--you always know they will show up
somehow. BTW--Has anyone ever heard from anyone else from either of
Gene and Steve's groups?)
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In Reply to: [7]Re: The record?? posted by Adam on November 28, 1997
at 00:51:52:
Here are a couple of thoughts.
FIRST: Get the rules from Guiness like Adam is saying--without that,
what good is the rest.
SECOND: If you try to plan it between Christmas & New Years, you'll
probably run into the same problem you are with the meeting this
weekend.
With Christmas falling on a Thursday, that literally invites people to
take in a LONG weekend, henceforth, not everybody will be in town that
would like to participate....my self included.
THIRD: Doing it during a weekday in order to take advantage of
expresses and skip-stops sounds logical...possibly do it on a Friday
or start it during the evening rush on a Thursday so that the weekend
can be used to recuperate.
FOURTH: DEFINATELY get the press involved. Being that this is being
developed through "the net", this invites a lot of people from outside
the NYC area who are regulars on this site to come into town. I'd be
curious to see who travels the furthest to participate...I might
qualify for that one. NYC is proabably a good 6 hr. drive. Well worth
it for an event like this. I would just need a safe place to store the
truck. Imagine what all the press would do for this
site...........Dave?
BUT, first things first......Adam, let us know when Guiness contacts
you....and a personal THANKS for the time & energy that you are
putting into this that the rest of us would like to give but are
unable for whatever the reason.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 and #5 IRT posted by Jeff on November 28, 1997
at 00:27:55:
The R-62s are right now, about 10-15 years old (about middle-aged),
but it seems like they were being delivered yesterday . . . anyway . .
. they are in much better shape than the redbirds and are very similer
to the R-68s, in terms of appearence, so I really don't see what the
big deal is . . . . .
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In Reply to: [7]Last week's collision-Steinway Street posted by
Charles Fiori on November 28, 1997 at 08:57:43:
What's the URL for this article?
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In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 and #5 IRT (Identra Loops) posted by Charles
Fiori on November 28, 1997 at 07:37:26:
The Identra Loops were used as an automated train identifaction
system. There were three settings: (A)LOCAL, (B) EXPRESS,and (C)SUPER
EXPRESS. The Identra Loops automatically lit up signs at various
stations indicating wheter a LOCAL, or EXPRESS was arriving. In
addition, they also indicated in the Tower. Unfortunately, the Identra
Describer System is no longer used. The system which dates back to the
1950's is now obsolete. Parts are no longer available which makes the
system impossible to maintain. Although the loops are gone,the
proximity boards are still in place.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle -upgrade--why? posted by
subway-buff on November 24, 1997 at 15:27:44:
The Franklin Shuttle is also being looked to as an alternate route for
some trains in the event of a Manhattan Bridge closing. The rebuilt
transfer at Franklin and the new transfer at Botanic Gardens will
really come in handy then.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Sounds Good! posted by Todd Glickman on November
25, 1997 at 10:35:46:
I read below of your aborted efforts at a full system run because of
the strike. Did you ever complete one? Wasn't there any press about
the possibility of a strike? (Maybe that was before YOUR time, and
thus your inspiration.) Now to draw from your experience...
You brought up some excellent issues that can be (should be) addressed
and resolved BEFORE the meeting. I reapeat these and add a few of my
own:
- Safety. Travel in groups through bad neighborhoods.
- Rest Rooms. Ones I have seen are locked and used by TA only. Others
are "outside" the system. Where are they?
- Refreshments. I haven't seen those wonderful hot dog and fruit punch
stands I remember from when my Mom took me. But hey, here's a good
excuse to sample 3 year old candy bars from newsstands.
- Movement. Many more trains do not allow you to make it through all
doors from one end to the other. Don't knoe if this is an issue, but
hey you're trying to set a record.
- Technology. The Internet makes available to us schedules and service
notices for every train. This should all be printed out and kept handy
or downloaded to a laptop for navigation purposes.
- Documentation. Someone below mentioned video taping the entire trip
but didn't have enough batteries. Obviously you can pool resources and
borrow from friends and relatives. You might also look into store that
rent cameras, they may rent additional batteries reasonably. You can
have a friend meet you at predetermined stations and exchange
batteries. Maybe also look into accessing power from the car itself,
used for lights and maintenance; look under the seats.
- Scheduling. Consider December 26th or January 2nd, both Fridays.
Complete daily schedule including rush hour service and express
trains. Lower than usual ridership due to the preceding holidays. Also
these are typically slow news days, offering better opportunities for
media coverage.
Above all, good luck to all participants! Write up your experiences,
take some photos and post them back here!
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Peter Rosa on November 28, 1997 at 15:09:54:
The URL is:
http://www.queenstribune.com/
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle -upgrade--why? posted by
Eric B on November 28, 1997 at 20:15:04:
Now if the bridge does close and the Franklin Ave shuttle is used as
an alternative, does the MTA plan on extending the platforms on the
shuttle line for longer trains to accomodate more people?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: The record?? posted by Mark Greenwald on November
28, 1997 at 10:47:26:
Actually, I believe it might be easier on one of the Friday's after a
major holiday. The trains will still run on a weekday schedule, but
there will be far fewer people to deal with during rush hours. Today,
for instance, the day after Thanksgiving, when I rode the downtown #6
during the peak of the morning rush, the train was nearly empty! In my
car there were exactly 3 people in it. On the downtown express there
were very few standing people. Now, I'm not saying the trains were
like speed demons, but they ran quicker than they usually do at that
time (i.e., they CRAWL).
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In Reply to: [6]Re: #7 and #5 IRT (Identra Loops) posted by Anonymous
on November 28, 1997 at 19:24:34:
Thanks, Anon. Might you know if the flat sided boards sticking up out
of what look like signal boxes along the wayside still work, too? I
remember that when a train passed those, its arrival at the next
station would be announced on a little message board at the control
area.
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In Reply to: [6]Identra Loops posted by Charles Fiori on November 29,
1997 at 12:01:26:
Interestingly, SEPTA's Broad Street subway still uses IDENTRA
equipment for routing/interlocking settings. The (new) B-IV cars have
a permanent loop (hinge mounted for when coupled) on each control end.
Non-control motors do not have the loops, so it's easy to tell what
cars are in a train. (Single car control motors, married pair control
motors, and single car non-control motors. Some trainsets are 2 single
control motors bracketing a married par non control set. Other trains
are a mish-mosh of every car type they have.
Oh, for the old days, when every car was a motor with a cab at each
end.
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In Reply to: [6]Identra Loops posted by Charles Fiori on November 29,
1997 at 12:01:26:
The flat sided boards were used solely for the identra system and were
located only at key points where a train's identity was critical. The
identra system on the #7 Line also automatically routed the expresses
and locals at Queens Borough Plaza - northbound. Occasionaly, if an
extra loop was located within the train consist, the train could be
tripped if the extra loop contained a conflicting identity. The
automated routing system at Queens Borough Plaza has been replaced by
a traditional route request box. During the PM rush, Rawson Street
Interlocking is placed on automatic. Whatever the Train Operator
punches, he/she gets. As for the annunciators, they're activated by
track circuits.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: NYC Bus Destination Sign Page posted by Charles
Fiori on November 28, 1997 at 08:53:17:
I am looking for all readings for LI Bus,,BEE Line
NYC DOT,NJT THANK YOU
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Posted by Jim Garrison on December 15, 1997 at 02:12:07:
I am trying to obtain photos of the 50's era subway stations in
brooklyn. Also the Brooklyn Cars(Subway) I would also like to get a
line on old subway signs from Brooklyn, or photos of same. If you can
help, please e-mail me. Thank you
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Posted by Nathan on December 15, 1997 at 02:25:51:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway train speed posted by Cool Knight on
December 14, 1997 at 11:27:20:
87mph?? It's been a while but I remember the NYC Subway for it's tight
station spacing- how could a train get up to that speed and then
decellerate to the next station without overshooting the platform??
Overshoots are kinda fun though...
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Posted by Albert on December 15, 1997 at 02:29:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Last Stop posted by charlie muller on December 13,
1997 at 23:50:17:
Thank you everyone who responded to my question about the last-stops
with walls. Also in reference to the anouncement about the gaps at
14th St-Union Sq. I use that station quite often to go college, but in
the past few weeks I haven't heard that anouncement "Please stand
clear of the.....", anymore, has anyone else noticed that.
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Posted by Nathan on December 15, 1997 at 02:32:55:
Ok, I heard recently that the go ahead has been given to build a light
rail line and an eighty mile commuter train (the "sounder", what a
name :( )
in the Seattle area. I have two questions regarding this matter:
1)How the hell are they going to get light rail trains up the
impossibly
steep downtown hills?
2)Does anyone have any info on where the lines will run (ie their
intended alignments) and when the systems are expected to be brought
on-line?
Thanx
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SUBJECT>Re: OPTO on G line? OPTO in Chicago
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 15, 1997 at 08:14:12:
In Reply to: [6]OPTO on G line? posted by David L. on December 14,
1997 at 18:38:36:
Riding the CTA yesterday, down from Linden-Wilmette, it was
interesting to see the signs in the trains heralding the arrival of
OPTO. The sign said that "OPTO is the standard in most major cities."
1st laugh...
2d laugh...The operators to whom I spoke on the Purple line were quite
adamant in their view that operations management is not consulting
either them or their riders about the switch. The woman, who
apparently was a line supervisor, said, "All it will take would be 1
major incident for people to realize what a compromise to safety OPTO
is. The riders are being left out in the cold."
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Posted by Mike K on December 15, 1997 at 08:16:28:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Free Ride posted by Joe M on December 14, 1997 at
23:28:21:
Baltimore operates in a similar fashion on its light rail syste...And
I have been on, WITH farecard, when a police officer has come through
to check...Needless to say, those without the card were off at the
next stop and faced a heavy fine.
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SUBJECT>Questions on Contents of 1998 Calendar
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Posted by Julio Perez on December 15, 1997 at 08:20:11:
In Reply to: [7]98 calender??? posted by Lou from Middletown on
December 12, 1997 at 13:05:39:
I read this thread on the 1998 Subway Calendar, and presume y'all are
referring to the one available via http://www.netstuff.com. I
attempted to ask the following questions--among others--to their staff
about three weeks ago, and am still awaiting a reply. Hopefully,
someone here can answer them for me:
1. Does the 1998 subway calendar contain any photos of trains along
the Flushing (#7) line?
2. Does it contain any photos of R-32, R-33, R-36, and/or R-40
equipment? I know it has R-9s (or close relatives) on the cover,
presumably photographed from the Smith-9 Streets approach.
If you were NOT discussing Netstuff's calendar, please tell me if the
one you were discussing contains any of the information mentioned
above, and how can I obtain it.
Thanks to all of you in advance!
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Third Rail Electrical Properties
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Posted by Julio Perez on December 15, 1997 at 08:26:20:
I know the NYC subway, among many other mass transit systems
worldwide, uses a third rail to transmit electricity to its cars. But,
do the other two rails carry any electricity and/or radio signals?
I understand the NYC subway uses 600 VDC. The third rail should carry
one pole (positive or negative). How is the other pole carried? How
about ground connections, if any?
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SUBJECT>Re: Ideas on how to improve NYCT bus service on Staten Island.
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Posted by si2000 on December 15, 1997 at 08:56:06:
In Reply to: [7]Ideas on how to improve NYCT bus service on Staten
Island. posted by Mike on December 13, 1997 at 12:38:10:
Re-structure the S57 and S76 buses, creating a new route from New Dorp
to the Teleport via Mill Road, Ebbitts Street, Cedar Grove Avenue, New
Dorp Lane, Richmond Road, Rockland Avenue, Richmond Avenue, Travis
Avenue to Teleport. Extend the S54 to St. George Ferry.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Photos needed
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Posted by David Pirmann on December 15, 1997 at 09:09:51:
In Reply to: [7]Photos needed posted by Jim Garrison on December 15,
1997 at 02:12:07:
There's lots and lots of photos here... see
[8]http://www.nycsubway.org/cars/ for subway car photos arranged by
type. Just browse!
-Dave
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re: New Penn Sta.(Was NJT overcrowding...)
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 15, 1997 at 09:19:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJ Transit overcrowding:the Secaucus conn. posted
by ~airplane on December 13, 1997 at 22:08:08:
Yes, the plans are still "on the drawing board". It seems everybody
likes the idea except the PostOffice(oops Postal SERVICE).Even though
they only use like a quarter of the facility anymore.Its the usual
bureaucratic turf situation....
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Posted by NIMBY on SI on December 15, 1997 at 09:19:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SUBWAYS IN GENERAL, FOLKS posted by David Pirmann
on December 12, 1997 at 16:40:09:
That's right, the last thing we need in some damn subway running
through this little Island! But seriously, the wishes of homeowners
must be respected, this is still a democracy. I know its heresy on
this site to say this, but subway service does not make a neighborhood
better in all cases.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re: LIRR line rankings
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on December 15, 1997 at 09:52:18:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR line rankings posted by Peter Rosa on December
12, 1997 at 23:59:48:
I know that historically, the busiest has always been Babylon, but
that might have changed....
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POSTER>Chris C.
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SUBJECT>Re: East River Crossings study (pt2)
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Posted by Chris C. on December 15, 1997 at 09:55:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: East River Crossings study (pt2) posted by Eric B
on December 14, 1997 at 17:13:16:
Wow, that's all very confusing. It seems to me that service across the
East river can be improved in several ways which may not seem to be
related to the various crossings. For starters, building a cross over
tunnel connecting the 6 train at Bleeker street with Inbound F service
at Bway/Laf
would be doing a world of service for a lot of people along the F and
G lines in Brooklyn. How much could this possibly cost when compared
to the measure of improvement for so many riders? The MTA does have a
surpluss!!
I would also hope that any plans for the Manhattan Bridge include
walkways and bike lanes which is a much needed resource and promotes
alternate means of transportation which can help to ease congestion on
various lines.
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SUBJECT>Re: OPTO on G line? OPTO in Chicago
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Posted by John B. Bredin on December 15, 1997 at 10:13:12:
In Reply to: [7]Re: OPTO on G line? OPTO in Chicago posted by Charles
Fiori on December 15, 1997 at 08:14:12:
OPTO on the CTA Blue and Red Lines has been a real pain in the neck.
The Brown (Ravenswood) Line has mostly outside platforms, as does the
Purple (Evanston) Line, and though the Orange (Midway) Line has mostly
center platforms, the cars for that line came modified for one-man
operation (the modified cars are used on the Brown Line as well).
But the Red and Blue lines are by far the two busiest lines of the
system, have mostly center platforms, and run in subways downtown. The
cars for those lines haven't been modified for OPTO yet, and the
trainman crossing to and from the control booth to open
center-platform doors adds 5-10 minutes to the average trip into
downtown! A lot of people in Chicago (myself included) can see the
CTA's reasons for OPTO on the L lines, but not on the subway lines.
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POSTER>Chris C.
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SUBJECT>Re: Free Ride
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Posted by Chris C. on December 15, 1997 at 10:35:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Free Ride posted by Steve on December 13, 1997 at
18:26:30:
I did not realize that this was dishonest. Does the city have a law
that says your transit card must be on your person at all times???? Is
that constitutional??? Can they really insist that every rider prove
where and when they got on or off the system??? They made the free
transfer policy for the convenience of the riders. It's the way the
system works. Why should I not use the existing system to its fullest
potential??? I don't feel guilty about changing from the IND to the
IRT. The TA calculates how long the average passenger is in the
system, if I exceed this time am I stealing from the Transit Authority
and its passengers??? It's their system and their transfer policy, am
I not entitled to use it to the fullest? What's next? Restricted
movements througout the system??? Time limits on the system???
Barcoded transit cards tatooed to our wrists??? If they don't like
people utilizing their system, then they should just shut it down or
go back to old policies like charging extra to transfer from the IRT
to the IND. It's not like I'm using slugs or forign coins. I'm using
their card and their transfer policy designed to empower riders and
promote freedom and convenience for everyone!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: 2nd Ave on F line
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 15, 1997 at 10:47:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd Ave on F line posted by Steve on December 14,
1997 at 12:19:46:
The F terminals before the opening of Chrystie St. were generally
Bway-Lafayette (peak) and 34-6Av (off peak). Some trains may have run
to Second Avenue. (The R46 signs when delivered still had 179
St-Jamaica/Second Avenue as a terminal pair)The station was always
called 2d Ave and was referred to as Houston-2d Avenue really only on
the destination signs (and route signs) of the R 1/9s.
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SUBJECT>Transit Economics
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 15, 1997 at 11:29:38:
The new fare plan as outlined by Gov. Pataki is the subject of a
column in this week's Barron's.(Gene Epstein's column-Economic Scene)
Barron's is avail. on-line for a nominal subscription, but there also
is a 2-week trial you can try. Well worth it! $49/yr for both Barron's
and the Wall Street Journal. www.wsj.com
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: OPTO on G line?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 15, 1997 at 11:34:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO on G line? posted by Peter Rosa on December
14, 1997 at 22:45:52:
10 car trains should not have OPTO-period! Certainly not in rush hour
anyway.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Last Stop
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Posted by Charles Fiori on December 15, 1997 at 11:39:48:
In Reply to: [6]Last Stop posted by Albert on December 13, 1997 at
01:39:25:
Not completely what you are looking for, but what about layup tracks
in the middle along lower Broadway? I believe that the north end of
these tracks, adjacent to the local stations at Canal have a wall.
Those tracks stop to allow for the ramp up from the unused Canal St.
plat. Also, what about the lower level @ City Hall on the BMT? I did
not think there was a ramp up on both ends.
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