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SUBJECT>Metro North
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:22 1997
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Posted by John on October 27, 1997 at 21:21:55:
I don't know how many of you ride Metro North, but I hope there is
enought imformation to answer these questions.
1) on Metro North, I notice there are what seems to be metal posts
with a sharp point an the top. They are located mainly on the hudson
line near the city. What are these used for?
2) How many tracks are there in Grand Central? Why are so many needed,
I noticed some are converted into field offices.
3) On tracks , I think, 38-40 the tracks run into what seems to be
some kind of loop. Is this true, if so is it still used?
4) On Lex and 45st. I saw what seems to be Metro Northtracks used for
layover. Can anyone conferm this?
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POSTER>Paul
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SUBJECT>Pospect Park
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:23 1997
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Posted by Paul on October 27, 1997 at 21:25:24:
Can anyone discribe or have a diagram of the S-curve at Pospect park
on the Franklin Ave shuttle?
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POSTER>Paul
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Posted by Paul on October 27, 1997 at 21:28:22:
Can anyone discribe or have a diagram of the S-curve at Pospect park
on the Franklin Ave shuttle?
Why does the R-32 seem to shake and rattle from side to side when they
run at high speeds? Is it the design or is it because they are just
old?
Why does Grand Central Terminal have so many tracks? They don't need
so many.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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SUBJECT>Re: Metro North
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:24 1997
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 27, 1997 at 21:53:17:
In Reply to: [6]Metro North posted by John on October 27, 1997 at
21:21:55:
Don't have a clue about the hudson line (other than: don't go fishing
there!!!)
There are a LOT of tracks is GCT, on TWO levels!!! Remember that GCT
was NY Central's MAIN terminal - and that is served a lot of trains
(like the 20th Century Limited???). It also served NH at one time too.
(I think...) Anyway, that's why there are so many tracks there - not
some perverse MTA thing.
I don't know if the loop is still used, but it IS useable. was used
for pulling trains through and around for departure I guess....
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POSTER>John!!!
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DATE>Nov 5 22:32:25 1997
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Posted by John!!! on October 27, 1997 at 22:36:54:
In Reply to: [5]Metro North posted by John on October 27, 1997 at
21:21:55:
Hey, just how many "John's" are there on this site?? Please use an
additonal digit, or different name to identify yourself -- I'm the
"original" John! SORRY!
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SUBJECT>Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers offer fast and safe
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In Reply to: [5]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Adam on October 27, 1997 at
16:59:09:
The TA tried automated operation with the Times Square shuttle back in
the 1960s, but the train was destroyed in a fire, so this won't really
be new to the subway.
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POSTER>Sammy
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SUBJECT>Re: transit boom reevaluated
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:27 1997
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Posted by Sammy on October 28, 1997 at 02:43:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by Steve on
October 26, 1997 at 21:42:29:
Steve:
Im pointing out a flaw in the system. Say what you want, but unions
were formed because management took unfair advantage of workers. THIS
IS NOT THE CASE ANY MORE!!!!!!!!! Understand this:
1) The unions more or less operate with "guaranteed" jobs. When was
the last time you ever saw one worker get fired because they were
rude, unproductive, lazy, etc? It never happens my friend, giving us
the "guaranteed". Let these workers try it in the real world.
2) Arcane rules have made it impossible to get projects done on time
and to the benefit of the tax-paying public. How else are you going to
explain the lame service in Queens, the idiotic schedules and the
defacto "you cant't possibly get there from here"?
3) Forbes did an expose about two years ago detailing the cost
structure of the subways for riders. Does everyone know that token
clerks make over $40,000 a year? That benefits push up the package to
over $60,000? The Arthur Andersen study was clear in its focus. It
costs the MTA an inflation-adjusted $2.50 per passenger to run a train
from 179th Street to Coney Island. That should anger and rankle every
tax payer in this city. That's what you'd call livin' large.
All I'm saying is that for all the money we pay in hard-earned taxes,
we get little back. And that's the fault of the MTA and the Unions.
We, the tax-paying public, are getting screwed as always.
If many of the MTA jobs were private sector, I'm positive things would
be cheaper, the industry safer and much more efficient.
You can take your safety rules and talk ad naseum about it, and I'm
very happy many workers are safe, but I know of no other place in the
world where people can and will get paid for not working to not even
half their fullest potential, because they answer to no one (except
baseball players, that is).
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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SUBJECT>Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:27 1997
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 17, 1997 at 10:31:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by charlie
muller on October 17, 1997 at 07:53:15:
THe rest rooms are there just not open to the public. They spent money
on rebuliding the Kings Highway (D/Q) station (all 3 entrances) and
the bathrooms and then lock em up to the public.
(Pet Pive of mine)
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POSTER>Subman23
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SUBJECT>SOME TRUTH FOR SAMMY
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:28 1997
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Posted by Subman23 on October 28, 1997 at 07:36:46:
While it is true that unproductivity is a significant problem at the
Transit Authority, I must put a great share of the blame on poor
supervision of employee's and low expectations by management. Just to
let you know employee's are getting suspended and fired all the time
for poor job performance, attendance problems and other issues. Ever
consider comparing the T.A. against other city agencies. I think the
T.A. compares very favorably.
However, I too get frustrated by low job performance standards. I
agree that "loafers" should be dealt with. Arcane work rules do exist.
MTA negotiators should identify these issues and ammend outdated work
rules/practices through negotiation with the Transport Workers Union.
I further suggest that the union "wake up" and recognize the need for
work rule changes. If the union fails to address these issues, they
will cause their workers to eventually lose jobs to private
competition.
I see nothing wrong with good job security. A person who dedicates
their live to a company, or government agency should be treated fairly
by that entity.
One giant problem that you never address is the low productivity (yes,
even T.W.U. workers do a better job at a cheaper cost) put out by
contractors who upgrade the system. These companies are out of
control. They are not properly supervised by the T.A. and often use
inferior materials and evade all safety rules. They give the taxpayers
a poor product; which is almost always behind schedule and at a highly
inflated cost. Do you ever notice that the same companies get all the
contracts? These companies have raped the MTA for years and keep doing
so.
In defense of token booth clerks, $40,000 a year is not a great price
to pay to imprison someone for 1/3 of their live (often in isolation).
Their job is dangerous; many more clerks have been killed while
performing their duties than members of the former Transit Police
force. Clerks work in a stressful environment. They are frequently
abused by some of New York's psycho's. Ever wonder how easy it is for
them to go to the bathroom. Clerks also must remain on duty until
relieved (hard to make plans) and they are personally responsible for
every cent inside their token booths.
Just trying to give you an accurate picture of "Subway Life".
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SUBJECT>Report on 100th Anniversary of Boston Tremont St. Subway
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 28, 1997 at 08:46:59:
Last week the MBTA celebrated the 100th anniversary of the Tremont
Street Subway in Boston (thought the actual anniversary was September
1st). [6]Listen, hear! for the 50-second report I prepared on this
event for the CBS Radio Network. It features an interview with George
Sanborn, Librarian for the Massachusetts State Transporation Library,
and MBTA historian. Included are actual sounds of Type-7 and Boeing
LRV trolleys going around the sharp curve at Boylston Street Station.
(Warning! This .wav file is over 1mb -- T-1 connection advised!)
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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SUBJECT>Boston Subway Quiz - Freshman Level
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:30 1997
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 28, 1997 at 09:31:23:
Hi Folks:
Just for fun let's see who knows the most about the Boston Subway
System. E-mail your answers to me and I will let you know your score.
If you score a passing grade, I will send you the GRADUATE LEVEL QUIZ.
It's got some really obscure trivia - have fun...
I am still trying to come up with an appropriate prize!
Certain Boston Transit Historians are inelegible.
Gerry
(oregan@freud.mec.edu) or (oregan@stclare.mec.edu)
EASY BOSTON SUBWAY QUIZ
1. Name the system's deepest underground station.
2. Name the only Rapid Transit Station to and from which a double fare
is charged.
3. What do the Charlestown and Longfellow Bridges have in common?
4. What was Government Center Station was previously known as?
5. How could you get Charlie off the MTA?
6. What station has the longest distance between its northbound and
southbound platforms?
7. What historic building has a subway lobby in its basement?
8. In 1924 Patriots Day and Easter fell on the same weekend. What
major change happened on the Boston Elevated?
9. What do Cabot, Cadigan and Codman have in common?
10. What is the significance of 12:50 AM.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 27,
1997 at 12:49:02:
Extending the A to JFK.
This is a good idea on the surface but how practical?
As things presently are, the A is on a 20 minute headway from Lefferts
and Far Rockaway most of the day, while Rockaway Park gets a shuttle.
Then at rush hour the service increases to a very high frequency.
Adding a branch to the airport would further dilute off peak service
and create a very confusing service at rush hour with four possible
branches. Although not as economical as another branch off the A, an
extension of the Archer Av. (E) or Livonia lines might provide a more
reliable service without impacting existing service. The E is
particularly inviting since it is an excellent express route already
with many connections in midtown.
Gerry
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POSTER>Nick
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SUBJECT>93 YEARS!!
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Posted by Nick on October 28, 1997 at 10:35:06:
October 27th was the 93rd anniversayry of NYC subways. Congratulations
to Allk workers, board members, and riders!
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: R-68 A Where are you?
DATE>Nov 5 22:32:33 1997
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 28, 1997 at 11:54:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-68 A Where are you? posted by Steve on October
27, 1997 at 18:05:30:
I can understand why the TA is linking cars into sets, but my question
is:
Is this something they decided to do recently as in the last 3-5
years? Are there some newly discovered advantages to the 4 and 5 cars
sets or is it bascially the same as married pairs with more cars added
in?
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 28, 1997 at 12:53:17:
In Reply to: [6]Report on 100th Anniversary of Boston Tremont St.
Subway posted by Todd Glickman on October 28, 1997 at 08:46:59:
Do you have a script available for those of us who own or use machines
at home or work that are "hearing impared"?
My new home machine hasn't been delivered yet .....
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Metro North
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 28, 1997 at 13:04:37:
In Reply to: [6]Metro North posted by John on October 27, 1997 at
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> How many tracks are there in Grand Central? Why are so many needed,
I
> noticed some are converted into field offices.
Remember that MTA did not build Grand Central - it was built by
Cornelius Vanderbilt who went on to become the head of the NY Central
Railroad, and had a large passenger base. Many intercity trains used
to make Grand Central their terminal. In the 20s, 30s and 40s, many
more people used railroads (and public transit in general) than cars
or buses. When the terminal was built, anticipated ridership was
considered at the time. Now, with only Metro North using the facility
(Amtrak now uses Penn Station), it seems like there is over-capacity.
> On tracks , I think, 38-40 the tracks run into what seems to be some
kind
> of loop. Is this true, if so is it still used?
I haven't ridden Metro North recently, but I do remember riding it a
few years back where through (diesel) trains to Poughkeepsie did use
these loop tracks. Older trains didn't have push-pull equipment and
needed to use the loop to leave the terminal.
--Mark
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Let's Take Another Poll!
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 28, 1997 at 13:07:08:
In Reply to: [5]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
You never forget your first love... Though it is missing much of the
complexity and atmosphere of some of the other choices, my candidate
has to be Main St.-Flushing. Until I was 7, we lived near there and
then moved out to Whitestone. All the while, the Main St terminal was
the first station where I boarded the subway. I remember being
fascinated by the signs for "Next Train" and "Local/Express" and the
switching which would occur when local trains would depart from M or 1
track, etc. Also, when midday 8-car trains would be coupled up to
3-car sets to make up the 11-car rush hour trains was sooooo cool. The
Nedicks stand upstairs and the wooden signs hanging from the ceiling
pointing commuters in the direction of long gone (and now resurrected)
Q20 and Q30 terminals. The direct entrance from the lower level of
Woolworth's where, after going to get shoes fixed and maybe picking up
a Matchbox car in the toy department, we'd wait for one or the other
parent to come home. I imagine I would not recognize the place now,
but that's my favorite!
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 28, 1997 at 13:31:07:
In Reply to: [6]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
My favourites are:
- Coney Island / Stillwell Avenue. Elevated-train watching
extraordinare!
- Broadway Junction / East New York. I still think the elevated
complex is amazing, even if the Fulton St EL is no longer with us.
- East Tremont Ave (West Farms Sq) 2/5, from the outbound side
platform. Stand in the middle and you can get nice views of redbirds
snaking their way through the station, especially those running
express. Stand at the front of the station and get great shots of
redbirds taking the 90 degree curve and approach into East 180th St.
- Parkside Ave (D) gets an honourable mention because I really like
the latest rehab job NYC Transit did in the station.
Least favourites:
- DeKalb Ave (D, Q, M, N, R) - work was done there recently and it's
still dank.
- Atlantic Ave (D.Q). It always smells bad in that station.
Outside of New York, I say the hands down winner is Chicago ...
anywhere on the Loop. Most of those multi-level parking garages just
HAD to be designed and built by railfans. There seems to be one at
every strategic point that you'd want to watch trains at. Yes, even
one right at Tower 18.
--Mark
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SUBJECT>Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question
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Posted by Subman on October 17, 1997 at 10:33:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Peter
Rosa on October 16, 1997 at 14:36:00:
Good idea. However, the Transit Authority is not allowed by law to
carry a surplus into the next fiscal year.
Let us just hope that the money does not get diverted to the suburbs
or to the city's budget.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 28, 1997 at 13:51:26:
In Reply to: [6]R-68As on the Q line. posted by Steve on October 27,
1997 at 09:28:05:
Hmmm ... there isn't much choice ....
R-32s? I guess you really CAN come home again!
R-38s? No, I think they're all accounted for on the A line.
R-40 slants? Probably! (But Yeech!!)
R-40Ms or R-42s? That'd be OK but not until the R-143s come, I guess.
You'd be displacing too many trains off the Eastern Division.
The R-46s are already too much at home on the F line to move .....
--Mark
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SUBJECT>United States oldest subway system????
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Posted by Bob Sines on October 28, 1997 at 14:15:16:
A friend and I have a bet on what city was the first to have a subway
system in the United States. He says Baltimore, while I say NYC. Does
anybody out there know the answer?
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Posted by Bob Sines on October 28, 1997 at 14:15:53:
A friend and I have a bet on what city was the first to have a subway
system in the United States. He says Baltimore, while I say NYC. Does
anybody out there know the answer?
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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SUBJECT>Re: United States oldest subway system????
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 28, 1997 at 14:51:53:
In Reply to: [6]United States oldest subway system???? posted by Bob
Sines on October 28, 1997 at 14:15:53:
The first SUBWAY in the U.S. was the Tremont Street subway in Boston,
opening September 1, 1897. That's the subject covered in my report
mentioned a few posts ago.
Also, there's a new book, "Tremont St. Subway"
Subway written by Bradley Clarke and O.R. Cummings, just published
by the Boston Street Railway Association. I know that the book is
available through the Seashore Trolley Museum gift shop. You can
[7]email them at carshop@gwi.net or visit their home page at:
[8]http://www.gwi.net/trolley
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by subman23 on October 27, 1997 at
06:11:46:
Given that any signalling system has to be maintained and replaced
over time, I'm not sure that the 20 billion everyone wants to spend on
2nd Ave, Manhattan Bridge, airport, or the favorite project of your
choice won't be largely used up replacing old signals with new old
signals over the next 20 years anyway.
If the new system increases capacity by even 10% it's a heck of lot
cheaper than building new lines.
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Posted by Bill on October 28, 1997 at 15:21:04:
In Reply to: [6]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
I still can't believe you can stand at the Times Square shuttle
platform at an arm's length away from the accelerating northbound #1
train with only the flimsiest little pipe railing to prevent you from
leaping in front of the train... not that I'm tempted. It's very
exciting.
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Posted by Bill on October 28, 1997 at 15:34:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by Sammy on
October 28, 1997 at 02:43:17:
Given the very real possiblity of being shot, torched, and personally
responsible for accounting for thousands of dollars every day, and the
view from the "office", I'm not sure I'd take the job for only $40,000
a year.
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POSTER>WARREN A. THOMAS
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Posted by WARREN A. THOMAS on October 28, 1997 at 17:02:38:
ON TUESDAY OCTOBER 28, 1997, AT APPROXIMATELY 9:30 A.M., AN F TRAIN
WHICH WAS IN SERVICE AND TRANSPORTING PASSENGERS, SPED THROUGH THE
PARSONS BLVD.
STATION ON THE MANHATTAN-BOUND EXPRESS TRACK WITHOUT PICKING UP ANY
PASSENGERS. WHY WAS THERE NO PICK-UP, AND WHY WAS THE F OPERATING ON
THE EXPRESS TRACK WHEN IT NO LONGER OPERATES AS AN EXPRESS IN QUEENS
BETWEEN 179TH STREET AND CONTINENTAL AVENUE???
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 28, 1997 at 18:12:32:
In Reply to: [5]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
In the "first love" category- Roosevelt Ave on the IND-this was the
closest stop to aunt's place in J Heights when I was a kid- also 74th
st-Bway on the 7: when you are a kid it was neat looking "down the
hill" in the evening looking for your train. Otherwise- Stillwell's
got its points as does Times Sq.- your're right about the uptown
locals from the shuttle platform!
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on October 28, 1997 at 18:16:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Wayne Johnson
on October 27, 1997 at 12:53:17:
It's true that the L from Bushwick Avenue to 8th Avenue is only a 2
track line and not very exciting. It does have, however what I think
is the most "unique" station in the system.
Wilson Avenue. Manhattan bound it is in a tunnel. Brooklyn bound it is
above ground (running right next to the cemetary).
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Posted by Subman on October 17, 1997 at 10:33:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Peter
Rosa on October 16, 1997 at 14:36:00:
Good idea. However, the Transit Authority is not allowed by law to
carry a surplus into the next fiscal year.
Let us just hope that the money does not get diverted to the suburbs
or to the city's budget.
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 28, 1997 at 18:17:08:
In Reply to: [5]93 YEARS!! posted by Nick on October 28, 1997 at
10:35:06:
What does anybody out there think will be done in seven years for the
Centennial of the IRT?? What SHOULD be done in all our opinions??
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Posted by Danny V. on October 28, 1997 at 18:35:47:
In Reply to: [6]Pospect Park posted by Paul on October 27, 1997 at
21:28:22:
Are you referring to the Metro-North tracks, or the Shuttle tracks...
With the Shuttle, the reason there are 3 tracks is because when the
subway first opened, the Broadway IRT used to run through there... It
made a turn at Times Square, continued onto Grand Central, and then
proceeded down Park Avenue South...
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Posted by Guess on October 28, 1997 at 18:42:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Metro North posted by John!!! on October 27, 1997
at 22:36:54:
I suppose that has nothing to dowith the earlier postings on the "P"
train!
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Posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 28, 1997 at 19:54:31:
I've noticed that there's a recently bored tunnel on the southbound
track of the Broadway N and R line. Where does it go?
On another subject, is it true that one production model R-46 was sent
to or bought by Caracas, Venezuela by Pullman-Standard back in the
70's?
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POSTER>michael follo
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Posted by michael follo on October 28, 1997 at 20:31:49:
In Reply to: [6]x11---New Staten Island Bus Service??? posted by
christopher on October 27, 1997 at 01:37:09:
The X10 Travis branch between Travis & Downtown Manhattan has been
renumbered the X11 but the X10 still remains the same between
Pt.Richmond & Midtown so riders along the line in Staten Island know
which bus goes Downtown & which goes to Midtown.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on October 28, 1997 at 20:59:41:
In Reply to: [5]United States oldest subway system???? posted by Bob
Sines on October 28, 1997 at 14:15:53:
Boston
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Posted by Steve on October 29, 1997 at 00:23:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by Sammy on
October 28, 1997 at 02:43:17:
Samantha,
First some real facts. The US Airline industry is more highly
subsidised than is the NYCT where 88% of each ride is paid for out of
the fare box. And for you, as a union member (Flight attendants are
unionized aren't they?)you have a weird sense of unions and
work-rules. Perhaps this is good but I'm sure you expect to be paid
when your plane is on the ground just as train operators expect to be
paid when they are on the job and not on their trains. About the time
you were entering high school, I was a supervisor and manager in the
NYCT system and believe me I know of where I speak. Granted, some TA
work rules are out dated but I'm sure some of your work rules are too.
Is safety in the airline industry a waste of time too? When I first
became a Supervisor in the Division os Car Equipment, I started out
thinking I was going to change the world. One of my bosses taught me
one thing before he retired. "A big ship turn slowly." and as much as
I still want to change some of the situations within which I must
work, the AFL-CIO is still a powerful force in this nation. Despite
this, we have made tremendous productivity gains in the last 5 years
(of which OPTO is just a small part). Back about a dozen years ago,
the mean distance between failures of our cars was barely 5,000 miles.
Today the fleet, including some cars which are nearing 40 years old,
has an MDBF approaching 70,000 miles. At the same time, my fleet has
an MDBF of over 100,000 miles. THAT IS PRODUCTIVITY and that
productivity was achieved by managers and supervisors and hourly
employees working together to achieve our goals. If it sound like I am
preaching, well perhaps I am but I am sick and tired of people like
you who had HO trains and now think that they can run a real railroad.
As for your comment about your perception of my intelligence, I'll
just chalk that up to your youth. Same goes for misrepresenting
yourself to all concerned.
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Posted by Steve on October 29, 1997 at 00:35:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-68 A Where are you? posted by Wayne Johnson on
October 28, 1997 at 11:54:46:
There are both savings and costs associated with linking cars. In the
case of the R-68 the advantages are thought to out-weigh the costs.
Currently, an R-68 car has 2 master controllers, 2 brake valves, 2
couplers and 2 electric portions. Once linked, a 4-car linked unit
will have a total of 2 of the same components. A reduction of 75%
which represents a significant savings in material and manpower on the
maintenance end. In addition, the reliability of the cars is
proportionally increaased. At the same time, there are dis-advantages.
For example, if one car goes out of service, three "OK mates" are out
of service also. Another dis-advantage is that some shops are
physically unable to support the 4-car links. This reduces
flexibility. Finally, to your last question, yes, this is a relatively
new idea which is based on the success of the R-44 and R-46 linking.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 16, 1997 at 18:41:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Gary
Jacobi on October 16, 1997 at 14:17:51:
If the comment above makes even less sense than my usual, it is
because I was trying to answer the question about modern el
structures, below!
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Posted by Lou on October 17, 1997 at 10:49:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Operator Trainee & R40 posted by Dave on October
16, 1997 at 07:06:57:
>>Not to be picky Why even say that?? You are picky.
I spelled Instruction and another word wrong too if you want to be
even more picky.
I am happy just that you were able to understand my message. It took
me over 10 years to learn how to read let alone write so go ahead and
be picky. No matter how many times I reread a message I spell
something wrong (just caught a spelling error above). I try hard but
when people jump all over you for spellign erorrs I just get mad.
Please don't take this to personal, this was my third "you spelled
something wrong message" today.
>Getting off of soapboxLou
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 29, 1997 at 01:02:32:
In Reply to: [6]F TRAIN posted by WARREN A. THOMAS on October 28, 1997
at 17:02:38:
CAUSE IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT !!
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 29, 1997 at 01:17:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by Sammy on
October 28, 1997 at 02:43:17:
Do you really think that "private industry" would run trains or buses
at 2 am if no one was riding them? Or that after 7PM you may be lucky
to see a bus on some lines once an hour? As a bus operator in
Manhattan, I can agree that it may take a while to get fired for being
rude or incompetent, but since Ive been here for about three years, I
have see a few get fired. For offenses including drug use, rudeness to
the public and for too many accidents and poor saftey peformance. Your
typical cliches and played out like the me first 80's.
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Posted by Sammy on October 29, 1997 at 05:49:11:
In Reply to: [6]A personal message to "Sammy" posted by Steve on
October 29, 1997 at 00:23:20:
Steve:
o.k.
Enough is enough. First of all, its Sam and not Samantha (but if you
know of one, I'll take her phone number)
Second, I have much more experience than you could ever imagine in
operations management, quality control, etc. I guess an MBA and all my
years of experience in this area won't suffice, huh?
Thirdly, I am sick and tired of the union driving costs up for us
artifically, disregarding work rules (smoking and littering in
stations, etc.), holding up trains while they chat, and creating an
atmosphere of such disrespect between the MTA, the public and
themselves that we'll never get anything accomplished.
Question for you. If the whole kit and kaboodle was private, and say
run as part of say, the Trump organization, do you think we'd have:
a) the idiotic and chaotic scheduling that is the northern queens IND
lines?
b) taking a project like the 63 st. line over the 2nd avenue line?
c) the short sightedness that characterizes the MTA (lloking for a way
to stifle economic growth in a community? call the MTA.)
d) the absolute distaste the unions and MTA have for the public?
e) workers who flaunt rules by smoking, etc. in the station and on the
job?
The answer is no.
And I'll chalk that one up to you not having enough experience being
on the firing line.
As for the milage in between repairs, well, I say, its about time.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 29, 1997 at 09:32:01:
In Reply to: [5]Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 28, 1997 at 19:54:31:
R-46 #816 was sent to Caracas before it was delivered to the NYCTA
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 29, 1997 at 10:58:34:
In Reply to: [5]Car Linking posted by Steve on October 29, 1997 at
00:35:48:
Cripes, I remember back in early 1981 when we were discussing design
of new cars to be purchased over the balance of the 1980s, the problem
of OK mates was paramount in people's thinking. It is why the R-62s
went to singletons and, I guess, why the R-68s went the same way. Of
course at that time, the MDBF for the fleet was prob. under 10,000 mi.
so there was much less flexibility with so many other cars out of
service for regular repairs. Now with the MDBF resembling Yankee
Stadium capacity, it appears that the benefits of creating married
quartets from a maintenance side far outweigh operational constraints.
When the fleet ages again out in 2010 or so, are we going to
de-link???
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Posted by Timothy on October 29, 1997 at 11:06:08:
Hoping that any strike by Amtrak will be a short one, Does anyone
recall
when and where the longest transit strike(s) occurred, and how long
they
lasted? This includes city transit and commuter rail systems, as well
as
nationwide systems, such as Greyhound, Trailways, etc..
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 29, 1997 at 11:07:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Dekalb Ave. posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 25,
1997 at 21:43:41:
Great description of the 'N' as the premier train of the BMT.
Nostalgia comes from pulling into 57th St on a s/b RR and seeing 2
trains of R-42s on the middle tracks, with the big white 'N' on a
yellow sign. Shoot, I would get off just for the express ride past
49th St., even if I was only going to TSQ or 34th Street!!
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POSTER>Bob A
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Posted by Bob A on October 29, 1997 at 11:24:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: United States oldest subway system???? posted by
Todd Glickman on October 28, 1997 at 14:51:53:
What about the Beach Pneumatic Subway in NYC, which was much earlier
than 1897? It didn't last long - but it was first!
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POSTER>John M.
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Posted by John M. on October 29, 1997 at 12:12:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: A personal message to "Sammy" posted by Sammy on
October 29, 1997 at 05:49:11:
I think if the MTA were run by the Trump Organization, the entrances
to the subway stations would be marked by golden "T"'s and the
stations themselves would be redone in late '70's mafioso (a la Trump
Tower).
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on October 29, 1997 at 12:16:36:
In Reply to: [6]Longest Transit Strike(s)? posted by Timothy on
October 29, 1997 at 11:06:08:
Sometime in the 80's Metro-North had a strike that went for 6 weeks.
The highways were a mess!!-NICK
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Posted by Subman on October 17, 1997 at 10:55:41:
Just heard on the news that crime in the subway is up (especially at
night). Commissioner Safeer to place 300 recruits into the subway.
Making my living in the subway, I wonder what took the media so long
to catch on to this fact.
Since the merger in 1995, I find that subway policing is no longer a
priority.
Wish we still had New York's real "Finest".........The Transit Police.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 29, 1997 at 12:45:04:
In Reply to: [5]Car Linking posted by Steve on October 29, 1997 at
00:35:48:
Re: Shops: I always thought Concourse shop looked at bit small. I
realize I'm full of questions, but are there any plans to expand the
shops that cannot handle the 4 car sets? If not then I guess this will
be the end of 75 foot equipment on the D line barring a north terminal
switch which is probably very unlikely. Also will Concourse shops be
able to handle 67 foot car sets? Next: For lines such as the D and F
which have shops at or near both terminals why not service the cars at
both shops sort of the way some TA bus routes are split between two
depots.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 29, 1997 at 12:49:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: United States oldest subway system???? posted by
Bob A on October 29, 1997 at 11:24:52:
I think this is generally not counted as it really wasn't a "subway".
It was more like a tunnel with a station at one end. (Not both ends.)
You couldn't use it to actually GET anywhere and was more of a
demonstration of pneumatic technology than anything else.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: 93 YEARS!!:What to do for Centennial? posted by
Lou from Middletown on October 28, 1997 at 18:17:08:
Looking at this question reminded me of the Diamond Jubilee and the
red poster that has the 43 pictures in it that used to adorn many of
the stations in 1979 (and which I have prominently displayed in my
office).....
After spending some time brainstorming on this topic, here is my wish
list of things I'd like to see for the 100 year anniversary of the
subway in New York City:
- a full re-enactment of opening day (on the nearest weekend).
- 5 cent rides during the week of Oct 27th, 2004. Issue replica
tickets of those that were issued on opening day.
- Running the Lo-Vs on the Lexington Ave line
- Seeing the AB Standards 2390, 91 and 92 fully restored and running
on the Brighton Line.
- Getting the R-1/9s sitting in CI Yard into shape and running them on
the A line.
- Running the D-Types on the West End Line or Sea Beach Line
- If there were any R27s/30s left, running a train of those on the BMT
Eastern Division.
- Running the BRT Gate Cars between 9th Ave/39th St and Stillwell Ave,
Brooklyn as a shuttle (they aren't allowed in the tunnels).
If these can't be run as in-service trains (like the Lo-Vs were in
1979 betwen 59th St and South Ferry), then maybe designating the
weekend before and after Oct 27th, 2004 as special railfan weekends,
in conjunction with the national ERA convention, where designated
Nostalgia Trains would run over certain routes. This would be sort of
a flashback to the Nostalgia Trains of 1979 and the very early 80s,
where on a summer weekend, you could take D-Types to the Rockaways,
Standards to Coney Island or R1/9s to the Cloisters.
Another idea might be a parade of equipment, from the earliest
available (could even be towed by diesel) to the most modern at the
time. This parade would take place on the center (express) tracks of
the Culver or West End Lines in Brooklyn.
What about another open house at Coney Island?
Or how about a special 100th Anniversary Auction and Tag Sale at the
NY Transit Museum.
Any other ideas? Perhaps we could compile a list to send to public
relations at the MTA because I'm sure they're gonna do SOMETHING for
the 100th anniversary.
--Mark
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 29, 1997 at 14:06:00:
In Reply to: [6]Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 28, 1997 at 19:54:31:
I haven't heard anything about new construction on the N and R line.
Where did you see this new tunnel?
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POSTER>LOu from Middletown
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Posted by LOu from Middletown on October 29, 1997 at 14:27:31:
In Reply to: [5]Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 28, 1997 at 19:54:31:
Are you sure its not the tunnel borings made back in the 20's, when
they thought they might someday build a tunnel to Staten Island???
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 29, 1997 at 17:06:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: F TRAIN posted by Fernando Perez on October 29,
1997 at 01:02:32:
Maybe it was one of those things that just 'happen', just like a few
months ago, when I was on a downtown #1 that skipped all the stops
between 14th and Chambers. Service was operating normally that day and
the train remained on the local track, but just blew its horn as it
went through each stop.
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In Reply to: [5]100 Years of Equipment Moving People (was: Re: 93
YEARS!!:What to do for Centennial?) posted by Mark S Feinman on
October 29, 1997 at 12:50:45:
I agree with you exactly -- I think that all the old equipment (that
is still operable), should be put into service during the week of 27
OCT, or even the entire month of October.
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Posted by melanie on October 29, 1997 at 17:46:47:
I think this should receive a big response because i am referring
to the lack of an uptown transfer to the BDF subway from the 6 at
Bleecker.
I am a student at Cooper Union and this a project, so any comments of
the
situation or any actual lead would be much aprreciated. Thank you.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 29, 1997 at 17:57:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by David Pirmann -
Web Site Host on October 26, 1997 at 20:43:50:
I had to look "Ad Hominum" up. Flaming I would have understood.
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Posted by BJ on October 29, 1997 at 18:24:25:
I read the posts that you guys are happy about the mta turning 93
years old.
How can this be so? The CTA green line got renovated in 1994 because
the Lake Street portion was over 100 years old and the 63rd lines were
also pretty old!
I realize that back then it wasn't called the CTA, but the trains
still exsisted!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 17, 1997 at 11:09:38:
In Reply to: [5]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
I happened to see a Stones Video last night, called something like
Looking for my Baby, or Have you seen my Baby.It had a shot of getting
onto the Times Square Shuttle. I noticed it, because the train was
populated when the doors opened, and nobody got off. Definitely
unprotypical behavior for shuttle operations!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 29, 1997 at 19:08:13:
In Reply to: [5]the nontransfer at broadway-lafayette/bleecker posted
by melanie on October 29, 1997 at 17:46:47:
Perhaps a better question, rather than why no uptown connection, would
be why bother with a downtown connection if both could not be
provided? There are at least a dozen other nearly adjacent stations on
the subway that are NOT connected, yet someone bothered to make this
half-(assed?)one. There is a story here somewhere; does the connection
date back to B'way Lafayette construction in the 30's, or to Bleeker
St. platform lengthening in the late 50's?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 29, 1997 at 19:34:33:
In Reply to: [6]How old is CTA (Possibly over 100?) posted by BJ on
October 29, 1997 at 18:24:25:
Actually we were talking about the first subway line in New York
turning 93. New York City had elevated trains running prior to the
opening of the subway starting around 1870. All of these are long
gone. The oldest parts date from the 1890s on the Broadway El in
Brooklyn (current J/Z line).
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POSTER>Danny V.
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Posted by Danny V. on October 29, 1997 at 19:36:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: the nontransfer at broadway-lafayette/bleecker
posted by Gary Jacobi on October 29, 1997 at 19:08:13:
You could transfer... if you have a Metro-Card... If you use the
token, you won't be able to make that transfer...
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POSTER>Jeffrey from Brooklyn
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Posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 29, 1997 at 20:37:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Peter Rosa on October 29, 1997 at 14:06:00:
I forgot to mention that this mystery tunnel is between court street
and south ferry on the southbound side.
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Posted by Jeffrey from b on October 29, 1997 at 20:39:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
LOu from Middletown on October 29, 1997 at 14:27:31:
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POSTER>Larry Littlefield
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Posted by Larry Littlefield on October 29, 1997 at 20:50:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: the nontransfer at broadway-lafayette/bleecker
posted by Danny V. on October 29, 1997 at 19:36:52:
The northbound and southbound platforms are not in the same place. The
northbound platform is a block or two north of Houston Street, where
the IND line runs. You would have to build a new northbound platform
at Houston to make a transfer. The southbound transfer was easy.
They never bothered because they thought they were going to build an
IND subway line on Second Avenue.
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Posted by Jeff on October 29, 1997 at 20:50:13:
In Reply to: [5]R-68As on the Q line. posted by Steve on October 27,
1997 at 09:28:05:
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on October 29, 1997 at 21:02:47:
In Reply to: [5]Re: TTC speed, (was re: speed) posted by Dan Lawrence
on October 27, 1997 at 12:24:32:
I checked a 1994 TTC equipment roster and the Scarboro line is
standard gauge. All the rest (Streetcars and Subways) are 4' 10 7/8"
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on October 29, 1997 at 21:32:16:
In Reply to: [5]How old is CTA (Possibly over 100?) posted by BJ on
October 29, 1997 at 18:24:25:
The south side L started in June 6, 1892 with steam-powered service.
The Chicago-Evanston railroad, now the Evenston and Red Line traces
back to Feb. 16 1861
The Chicago Loop L celebrated 100 years in October 97 (the 12th I
think) electrified
Subways did not come to Chicago until until 1943
(source "CTA at 45" by George Krambles and Arther Peterson.)
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Posted by Michael J. Follo on October 29, 1997 at 22:17:57:
I've noticed that at South Station on the big "T" train information
board that the terminals for each line switch when a train leaves a
particular track, I've have noticed that there is a desination sigh
that says Millis, I would like to know if there are plans for
restoration of Commuter rail service to Millis.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 17, 1997 at 11:15:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Chicago L Structures (in ER) posted by Ed Sachs on
October 17, 1997 at 09:29:15:
The L, you say?
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 29, 1997 at 22:23:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Car Linking posted by Wayne Johnson on October 29,
1997 at 12:45:04:
Concourse Shop was scheduled for rehab in 1987, then again in 1997. It
was postponed again until 2005. I might be around to see it completed.
As to the question of splitting the maintenance on a line: Thats a
complicated question which has to do more with the organization of the
Division of Car Equipment than it has to do with logic. The A & C
lines are split between 2 shops. The R-44s and R-32s are maintained at
Pitkin Shop in Bklyn. and the R-38s and R110B are maintained at 207th
St.
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Posted by Michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:24:22:
NYCT is studying the possibility of building an uptown connection from
the Broadway/Lafayette St Station on the B/D/F/Q lines to the uptown
#6 train at Bleeker St as part of the East River Crossing Study that
NYCT is still doing in which this study should be completed soon.
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Posted by michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:29:35:
I am looking for someone who might have a copy of terminal points that
the MBTA uses on its Train Information Board at South Station.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Re: Plans for an Uptown connection at Broadway/Lafayette to #6
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 29, 1997 at 22:31:05:
In Reply to: [6]Plans for an Uptown connection at Broadway/Lafayette
to #6 posted by Michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:24:22:
A free transfer would be possible without any construction at all.
This would involve installing special MetroCard readers at each
station. Swiping the reader upon exit would allow a free entry to the
other station, subject to a reasonable time limit (10 minutes?)
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POSTER>michael
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SUBJECT>Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn.
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Posted by michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:53:01:
I think that it is about time to restore "F" express service in
Brooklyn that has been talked about in both 1991 & 1994 with the same
plan offered,
one would have "F" trains marked Coney Island would operate express
between
Church Av & Jay St stopping at 7th Av & another "F" train marked
Church Av would operate local between Church Av & Jay St with
extending the "G" trains to Church Av, these plans would only operate
in the peak period only,I would like to know if there are plans to
restore "F" express in Brooklyn in 1998 or not.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: A personal message to "Sammy"
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Posted by Steve on October 29, 1997 at 23:54:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: A personal message to "Sammy" posted by Sammy on
October 29, 1997 at 05:49:11:
Okay - enough is enough. But for the sake of this discussion, your
entire premise is flawed. Trump would never run a public transit
system. There is no profit. If he were to run it, there'd be no
service on the busses at all as well as most of the subway lines.
Service to outlying boroughs would be curtailed or stopped all
together. I will say that you are right about 63rd St. It's a
duplication of the F line with a different river tunnel.
Now for the last time, 2 personal points.
First: Do not presume to know about how much experience I have on the
'Firing Lines'. I can back up my claims. All we here from you are a
lot of Idle Boasts and a collection of worn out ideas from old
postings that you've just dusted off. When you come up with an
original thought, I hope it doesn't die of loneliness.
Second: Your E-Mail link is to Sammy@AOL.com. The user profile for
Sammy at AOL.com is Samantha Thomas, a 26 year old flight attendent
from LA. Either you're posting with a false E-Mail link, you are
Samantha, or (well, we wont get into the rest)
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Car Linking
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Posted by Steve on October 30, 1997 at 00:06:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Car Linking posted by Charles Fiori on October 29,
1997 at 10:58:34:
It was the purchase of the R-62 and R-68A that changed the thinking of
the senior directors managers of the Div. of Car Equipment, regarding
linking of cars. During the procurement, delivery and warranty, many
trips were made to Kawasaki Heavy Industries in Kobe, Japan. Those who
went, soon became impressed with the Japanese concept of transit fleet
maintenance. The Japanese transit people believe in maintaining trains
in fixed consists for service as well as for routine and unplanned
maintenance. In other words, if one car had a propulsion failure,
there might be as many as 9 'OK mates' held out of service.
Thankfully, to date, the NYCT has linked only the R-44s, R-46s and
R-68As into 4 car unit and the R-62s into 5 car units.
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on October 30, 1997 at 00:26:44:
In Reply to: [6]Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:53:01:
How about creating peak direction express service on the "B" in
Brooklyn, between 36th Street and Bay Parkway. Local service would
be handled by the "M" which already runs to Bay Parkway during rush
hours. A question is the patronage impact on the "N", which
essentially duplicates the routing of the B/M.
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POSTER>Garfield A
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Posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997 at 08:15:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Mike Rothenberg on October 30, 1997 at 00:26:44:
I honestly think there's no need for express service in Brooklyn for
that line. I ride the line in Queens (under Queens Blvd) and notice
that the bulk of passengers are in Queens rather than in Brooklyn. You
have additional trains during rush hours that begin and end at Kings
Hwy which handles the lesser bulk of people than in Queens.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 17, 1997 at 12:17:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by
Steve on October 16, 1997 at 18:55:21:
Thank-you Steve
That is the way all Boston SMEE equipment works but someone told me
otherwies re: NYC. On Chicago 4000s the reverse mechanism does lock
the dead-man down - but they are train air cars and not applicable in
this case.
I stand corrected.
Gerry
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POSTER>Garfield A
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Posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997 at 08:21:10:
In Reply to: [6]Plans for an Uptown connection at Broadway/Lafayette
to #6 posted by Michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:24:22:
I think the idea is a good one. Because I've noticed a few times
entering and leaving the station, people are have a puzzled look when
trying to find uptown service. I remember telling someone the quickest
way to get the Upper East side is to take the local down 3 stops from
Bleecker St. to Bklyn Bridge and then walking across to catch the
uptown trains.
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Posted by Sammy on October 30, 1997 at 08:23:38:
OK Steve, I agree. Enough is enough.
Firstly, Trump was hypothetical. As I said, hypothetical, so don't get
in a bad way over it. REMEMBER: HYPOTHETICAL!!!
Secondly. Want to know why I complain? Here's a golden example.
Last night, while waiting for the 6 at Astor Place, it took a local 35
minutes to show up. That's pathetic. In that time: 4 express trains
passed uptown; 3 express trains passed downtown; 2 locals passed
downtown. A bad experience you say? I don't think so sir. And what
irks me even more are the attitudes of all involved. Aske the token
clerk what's going on and she looks at you like your from Mars. I'd
love to see for once, a tokenm clerk pick up a phone and call up
someone down the line and ask "what is going on?". No service, no
information, no apologies and bad attitudes. That's today's MTA and
unions. Who gives a damn if I waited 20 days for a train? Certainly
not the MTA or the unions. Just think. If an announcement was made, I
could have gotten a transfer ticket (presuming that the clerk was
feeling like giving one out) so I could make ALTERNATE TRAVEL PLANS
AND NOT HAVE TO SHOW UP LATE FOR WORK!!!!!!!!! This costs the tax
paying public billions in productivity day after day. How about we
make the MTA and the unions responsible for idiotic situations such as
this?
The MTA's short sighted views will cost numerous neighborhoods any
economic gains they have gained during the past bull market run.
Greenpoint and Williamsburgh will survive, but with less than the
economic revival they should get because of idiotic measures like
cutting off the G train at Court Square, not supplimenting it with bus
service, etc.
Its about time the public fought back, and I aim to do it.
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POSTER>Garfield A
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Posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997 at 08:26:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: F TRAIN posted by John on October 29, 1997 at
17:06:02:
This is a similar situation that has happened to me numerous times. I
have come with the idea that if the train is "really" late the train
therefore skips local stations and stops at "major" stations. As I
said this usually happens when the train is late.
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POSTER>Garfield A
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SUBJECT>NYCTA Bus Ads
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Posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997 at 08:37:25:
Seems like the MTA is jumping on the bandwagon with these new bus ads
that take up the entire bus. I first saw these bright ads on the
privately owned Queens Surface Corp which operates out of Flushing
Queens. Recently being in the city, I 've seen a few MTA busses with
the ads only occupying the entire rear of the bus unlike Queens
Surface Corp which has the entire bus covered in an ad for most of
their fleet. I see this project as a big source of revenue and will
add to the surplus that was reported a few weeks ago by the MTA.
Besides being a possible money maker, I see the ads as something
bright wiping away the filth of scratched windows that is all to
common now.
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POSTER>Timothy
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Posted by Timothy on October 30, 1997 at 09:14:58:
Can anyone tell me what subway car that is in the photo where it says
"current operations" on NYC Subway Resources home page? Just curious.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 30, 1997 at 10:36:01:
In Reply to: [6]Photos on NYC Subway Resources Home Page posted by
Timothy on October 30, 1997 at 09:14:58:
That's an R40-Modified.
You can see the large version at [7][LINK]bjunc3.jpg.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 30, 1997 at 11:10:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How old is CTA (Possibly over 100?) posted by
David Pirmann on October 29, 1997 at 19:34:33:
The initial Brooklyn Els opened in 1885. Some of the non-elevated
components are remnants of the even older Coney Island steam
railroads.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 30, 1997 at 11:37:09:
In Reply to: [5]Steve, etc. posted by Sammy on October 30, 1997 at
08:23:38:
There seems to be an unwritten law in transit operations called "Keep
the rider in the dark". Don't blame it on the Unions. Here in
Sacramento, we have a 10 year old system of 40 or so Light Rail
vehicles. They bristle with communication devices, including the
ability to yell at pedestrians. But there is no provision for
announcements at stations. If there is a problem, all you know is that
the train has not shown up. SOMEBODY knows why and how long the delay
is likely to last, but they have no way to inform the throngs building
up at the stations. It is a problem they could solve for a few
thousand dollars, but they don't care to. It is conceiveable that
management feels they are not liable for lack of information, but may
be for faulty info, so employees are told NOT to give out any. Just
for the hell of it, ask a token clerk who is not busy if she is
permitted to make a call in such a case. Yeah, I know, you are likely
to get another "Man from Mars" look!
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POSTER>Joshua Caesar
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on October 30, 1997 at 15:06:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Plans for an Uptown connection at
Broadway/Lafayette to #6 posted by Peter Rosa on October 29, 1997 at
22:31:05:
Peter Rosa wrote
"A free transfer would be possible without any construction at all.
This would involve installing special MetroCard readers at each
station. Swiping the reader upon exit would allow a free entry to the
other station, subject to a reasonable time limit (10 minutes?)"
I always feared that the advent of MetroCard would bring about the
loss of new construction. Setting up a MetroCard transfer may be the
cheaper solution, but it is not the permanent one. MetroCard while be
around for a while, but who knows what is going to happen to it down
the road, it can be replaced. And what if the transfer termainal go
down? Add that to the fact that riders have to leave and re-enter the
NYCT system to make the transfer, something that can be asking for
trouble with out of town riders. It is enough trying to navigate your
way around within the subway, add finding another subway entrance in
the middle of your ride to that and you have some lost out-of-towners
on your hand. NYCT should find the money and build the up-town
transfer, like they should have down long ago.
JC
Josh Caesar
studlyjc@aol.com
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 30, 1997 at 15:15:47:
In Reply to: [5]NYCTA Bus Ads posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997
at 08:37:25:
I take quite the opposite hand. I beleive that busses with absolutely
no advertisements on them -- inside OR out, even posters, give the
fleet a more uniform and professional appearence.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 17, 1997 at 13:00:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Peter
Rosa on October 16, 1997 at 14:36:00:
I guess it's raining.
How about starting the line NY never expected to build using the
surplus NYC Transit never expected to have - the second ave subway?
Or actually start the process of the proposed DeKalb - Rutgers Tunnel?
$100M is a nice start!
Or providing additional service or improved headways?
I'm sure people won't mind a fare rollback, either.
(How about making the subway fare 5 cents on Monday October 27th for
the subway's 93rd birthday?)
--Mark
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 30, 1997 at 15:21:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 29, 1997 at 20:37:49:
If it comes in from the left as you travel towards Brooklyn, that is
the end of the Broad Street line, where the M trains continue their
journey out towards the West End line. I believe in the northbound
tube of the Montague St. tunnel there is also an access to the
basement of Jay St. headquarters, where the "money trains" drop off
their nightly collections of lucre. Maybe that is what you saw??
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 30, 1997 at 15:21:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 29, 1997 at 20:37:49:
If it comes in from the left as you travel towards Brooklyn, that is
the end of the Broad Street line, where the M trains continue their
journey out towards the West End line. I believe in the northbound
tube of the Montague St. tunnel there is also an access to the
basement of Jay St. headquarters, where the "money trains" drop off
their nightly collections of lucre. Maybe that is what you saw??
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POSTER>Bill
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SUBJECT>River of Steel on WNET Nov.6
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Posted by Bill on October 30, 1997 at 17:02:09:
If you missed this program it will be on WNET on Thursday, Nov. 6 at
8:30 PM and again on Tuesday, Nov. 11 at 1:00 AM.
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on October 30, 1997 at 17:27:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Steve, etc. posted by Gary Jacobi on October 30,
1997 at 11:37:09:
The same thing happened here in Phila, both with the new Kawasaki
trolleys, and to a lesser extent, their new Broad St subway cousins.
Operators/conductors would go "nuts" with announcements on stops, time
checks, the weather, etc. As soon as a car/train would stop dead in
the tunnel, the announcements stopped. You practically had to pry info
out of the trolley motormen when this occurred, and they were almost
always reluctant to radio in to learn why backups, etc existed.
Although the novelty is now gone, the same sort of situation still
exists. Go figure.
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POSTER>Bill from S.I.
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Posted by Bill from S.I. on October 30, 1997 at 17:40:32:
In Reply to: [5]Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on October 28, 1997 at 19:54:31:
If you were heading towards Bklyn and it was on your left just outside
of Whitehall station there are two cut outs. If this is what you saw
then these are tunnles that were to go to Staten Island but that idea
died long time ago. There is another "tunnel" down the track off to
the left this is the ventlation shaft, the passage way connects all
the tracks in the area (northbound N ,southbond N , Northbound J and
the southbound J) There are no tracks just a walkway.
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Posted by Lefty on October 30, 1997 at 20:21:30:
the way the platforms are arranged there are 2 platforms and the
trains stop on the outsides of the platforms. In between the platforms
is the middle track used for service trains and whatever.. it seems
like the most impractical layout for a station... why is it the way it
is? its mad weird...
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 30, 1997 at 21:14:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Plans for an Uptown connection at
Broadway/Lafayette to #6 posted by Joshua Caesar on October 30, 1997
at 15:06:02:
You are right, a MetroCard-enabled transfer at B'way-Lafayette/NB
Bleeker would be an inadequate substitute for a physical connection.
But this is a case of theory vs. reality. The chances that the MTA
would build a connection, given its record, are slim to none. On an
admittedly greater scale, think of the Second Avenue subway - it
hasn't gotten out of the talking stage after several *decades*! My
point is that opting for the quick and dirty approach might well be
the better choice under the circumstances. Having a cumbersome
MetroCard transfer today is preferable to waiting years for a physical
connecting passage.
Requiring people to leave the system to make a MetroCard-enabled free
transfer could indeed confuse many people. That probably would be less
of an issue at B'way-Lafayette/NB Bleeker, that being off the main
tourist route. In any event, clear signage would be a must.
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on October 30, 1997 at 21:19:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Garfield A on October 30, 1997 at 08:15:51:
How about restoring the express service in Queens between Continental
Avenue and 179th Street?
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Posted by Steve on October 30, 1997 at 21:21:53:
In Reply to: [6]Steve, etc. posted by Sammy on October 30, 1997 at
08:23:38:
The answer to your question is very simple but very involved. As you
can see from the postings below, the problem of communications is not
unique to the NYC system nor is it to rail transit. On a recent trip,
I was in the Ft. Lauderdale airport and the in-bound plane which was
to make my flight out, was late. We were given precious little
information, simply because it was unavailable. The same holds true
for the NYCT System.
Every day, there are at least 100 train delays for almost as many
reasons. There are delays due to mechanical failure, customer
accidents, employee accidents, fires, police activity, sick customers,
switch or signal trouble and vandalism, just to name some. In each of
these situations, the crew on the train, reports via radio to The
Control Center via radio that they have a _____ problem and are going
to investigate it. Then the Console Train Dispatcher passes this
information along to the other divisions within the Department of
Subways via a network called the 6-wire (yes, just like the one in
Pelham 1-2-3). The console train dispatcher must then, not knowing the
true nature of the situation or how long the situation will last,
decide how to deal with it. Does he hold service back or reroute? He
(she) makes the best decision possible based on the info. he has plus
his experience.
In the mean-time, while control center is trying to deal with the
fall-out from the incident, the train crew is trying to deal with the
situation to resolve it as quickly as possible. Usually, they are the
only personnel on the scene. They can give their full attention to
resolving the situation or at least dealing with it or they can (and I
hate to use the term) waste time with minute by minute updates.
Usually, the crew can resolve the situation in a matter of minutes and
get the wheels turning quickly.
The fact is that with the little information that is available, and
because these situations are so fluid, any information that is passed
along to customers would be incorrect by the time it got to them.
Customers could be further inconvenienced by causing them to make 10 -
15 minute "detours" to avoid what may be a 5 - 10 minute delay to
service.
I hope this explains why you might be standing on a platform waiting
while your train passes you on an express track without any notice. If
you were told to go in the opposite direction to the next express stop
to catch your train, by the time you got there, it's likely that the
situatin would be over and youd be 2-3 stops further from your
destination. However, to blame this these unfortunate instances on
union or management indifference is just simplistic.
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POSTER>michael
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Posted by michael on October 30, 1997 at 21:57:38:
In Reply to: [6]Burnside Ave. on the 4 posted by Lefty on October 30,
1997 at 20:21:30:
I would like to know if someone has the updated bus electronic
desination reading list for NYCT with the ones that have for instance,
X17:East Midtown-viaNew Jersey, X11:Travis, B57:Downtown
Brooklyn-Fulton Mall but please don't e-mail me the codes that the bus
drivers use to change the readings.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Modern El Structures
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 17, 1997 at 13:02:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Modern El Structures posted by Nathan on October
16, 1997 at 20:30:00:
>> know where Vancouver is
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. This sounds like the automated
skytrain. That suspension bridge you describe is pretty neat and I
think it's all concrete, too.
--Mark
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Posted by michael on October 30, 1997 at 21:57:49:
In Reply to: [6]Burnside Ave. on the 4 posted by Lefty on October 30,
1997 at 20:21:30:
I would like to know if someone has the updated bus electronic
desination reading list for NYCT with the ones that have for instance,
X17:East Midtown-viaNew Jersey, X11:Travis, B57:Downtown
Brooklyn-Fulton Mall but please don't e-mail me the codes that the bus
drivers use to change the readings.
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SUBJECT>Re: 100 Years of Equipment Moving People (was: Re: 93 YEARS!!:What to do for
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In Reply to: [5]Re: 100 Years of Equipment Moving People (was: Re: 93
YEARS!!:What to do for Centennial?) posted by John on October 29, 1997
at 17:10:45:
How about the MTA opens the 63 street connection and runs some of the
older models(R 30's,R-1/9's,R-16's(are there any in the yards?). It
would be a good publicity thing
-Phil
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Posted by Steve on October 30, 1997 at 23:32:18:
In Reply to: [5]NYCTA Bus Ads posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997
at 08:37:25:
I think such ads, that take up a whole bus side are a mistake. It
looks to much like graffiti and may, in fact, encourage it. Definitely
poor judgement by the MTA advertising people
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Posted by Steve on October 30, 1997 at 23:46:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: F TRAIN posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997
at 08:26:04:
The practice you are referring (skipping stations without stoping) to
is called a "Battery Run" and is not a comon practice. Since the F
train was on the express track, I would assume that the train was not
in service but rather was being used as a School Car train for
teaching Train Operators or Conductors or as a shuttle train for
visitors to the system. Had it been a regular road train, it would
have been on the local track.
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Posted by Sammy on October 31, 1997 at 01:50:50:
In Reply to: [6]Delays Vs Information posted by Steve on October 30,
1997 at 21:21:53:
o.k. Steve, you win. Service is great, things are great and there
isn't anything wrong with our system.l Guess I should just be like all
the other lemmings and shrug and say "that's the city for you". And I
guess it would be unreasonble for a token clerk to issue a pass if a
train is late or pick up a phone if they see there is a problem. Hmmm.
I guess instead of a token clerk picking up a phone and calling down
the line (which I suppose they don't have to do because their contract
so stipulates they don't) I should just sit there and be thankful when
a train does show up.
Sorry, but there is no excuse you can give me. Waiting 35 minutes for
a train with no explanation and no way to make alternative plans is
part of the game, huh? If this was private industry and people had a
choice, and service rendered like this, you know what people would
say?
Sorry, your explanation doesn't cut it. There is no excuse for not
picking up a phone, getting information and passing it on to the
customers rapidly.
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Posted by Sammy on October 31, 1997 at 04:20:32:
Oh Steve, by the way, I guess you haven't recently traveled at nights
and noticed just how poor service is, have you? (6, G, L,......)
Oh and about the Broadway-Lafayette Street uptown connection, Im sure
the MTA wouldn't go for it. Makes too much sense. And if they did it
would take forever to build because of union work rules.
When it takes you an hour and a half for a normal 20-minute ride, and
you experience this on a semi-regular nightly basis, we'll see how you
feel about things.
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 31, 1997 at 08:20:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Delays Vs Information posted by Sammy on October
31, 1997 at 01:50:50:
Hey Sammy,
Just curious if you have addressed your complaints in writing to the
Office of the Chairman of the MTA. If you haven't, you can gripe about
things all you want here with little result. Keep in mind that this
web site is an unofficial, non-MTA forum which happens to have some
MTA/NYCT employees contributing on their own time (none of whom,
however, have anything to do with running the site).
I usually find that complaining in writing to those who are in a
position to deal with the situation is usually better than posting
stuff to the Internet :-)
-Dave
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Posted by Paul on October 31, 1997 at 10:22:32:
I read in somebody's feedback, I think It was Philip Nasadowski. The
article read that Metro North, LIRR run at quit high speeds. What is
the speed of midday express trains? What is the speed in the Park Ave
tunnel?
LIRR express trains? Once I saw the speedometer on a LIRR train under
the Atlantic Ave tunnel. It read 80 MPH. It was a midday train. Can
anyone confirm this?
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 31, 1997 at 10:53:28:
In Reply to: [6]Burnside Ave. on the 4 posted by Lefty on October 30,
1997 at 20:21:30:
This the layout express/local stations on a three track line. There is
no express service along Jerome Ave normally, but it is used when
trains are occasionally rerouted to the express (center) track. Some
other stations with this layout are: Concourse line - Bedford Park
Blvd, Kingsbridge Road, Fordham Road, Tremont Ave and 145th Street
(lower level)
Woodlawn line - 149th St-Grand Concourse (upper level) & White Plains
Rd line - Gun Hill Rd/White Plains Road Flushing line - 61
St-Woodside, Junction Blvd and Willets Pt/Shea Stadium just to name a
few. There are many other stations like this throughout the system.
The center track on some lines are used for peak direction express
service such as the (5,6,7,D and J/Z) while others are used when
needed.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 17, 1997 at 13:06:47:
In Reply to: [5]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
Check out below under "Its Another Poll Time!" There are many
excellent suggestions under the various postings!!
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Posted by Nick on October 31, 1997 at 12:24:46:
In Reply to: [6]High speed systems posted by Paul on October 31, 1997
at 10:22:32:
Metro-North trains can run up to 90 MPH, so a speed of 80 MPH on a
midday train sounds about right. However, for a train, that isn't very
fast. Look at the Bullet Train (Japan), Chunnel (France), Maglev
(Japan) and the high-speed Amtraks coming to the Northeast in
1999-they'll be traveling at least 150 MPH!!-NICK
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Posted by Steve on October 31, 1997 at 12:42:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Delays Vs Information posted by Sammy on October
31, 1997 at 01:50:50:
Give it a rest already. I explained why. If that does not satisfy you,
go higher up.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 31, 1997 at 12:50:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed systems posted by Nick on October 31,
1997 at 12:24:46:
Very true about systems overseas. I rode the "Chunnel" train from
Paris to London this past March; max speed is 186 mph, and it is at or
close to max speed for long stretches.
In contrast, however, while the new AMTRAK trains will be capable of
max speeds nearing 150 mph, the substantial reduction in travel time
from BOS-NYC will be more from straightening curves, eliminating the
change-of-power at New Haven, and other small factors that will all
add up.
With scheduled three hour train service from downtown BOS to midtown
NYC, I wonder if the BOS-NYC market will be able to support two air
shuttle services (currently Delta and USAirways - and the peak ONE-WAY
fare is $200!).
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Posted by Rich on October 31, 1997 at 14:06:51:
How does one sick passenger manage to take an entire train out of
service? I find this maddening! What am I missing (besides
compassion)!?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 31, 1997 at 15:30:26:
In Reply to: [6]Sick Passenger posted by Rich on October 31, 1997 at
14:06:51:
From the Dictionary of Euphemisms, 1997 Edition (Chapter 32, Transit
Euphemisms):
Sick Passenger = Dog Ate My Homework
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 31, 1997 at 16:37:21:
In Reply to: [6]Sick Passenger posted by Rich on October 31, 1997 at
14:06:51:
Well since America in general is quick to file a lawsuit, my guess
would be that it's a liability issue. I could see it clearly now. - A
passenger may get sick or injured, a crew member and/or another TA
employee helps the passenger off the train, the train then continues
on it's route, later the sick passenger develops or complains of
additional injuries, gets a lawyer who files a lawsuit against the TA
since they are the employer. In their lawsuit they argue that the
proper action for the TA employee(s) would be to not move the sick
passenger, and wait for emergency medical personnel to arrive on the
scene.
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Posted by Nathan on October 31, 1997 at 18:46:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: High speed systems posted by Todd Glickman on
October 31, 1997 at 12:50:23:
When you say the chunnel train, you mean Eurostarm right? (And not the
megalithic car carrying trains) Eurostar does hit 186mph (300km/h) in
service, mainly on the French side of the chunnel: however, the speed
record for the TGV (France) is 515km/h, with service speeds at 300km/h
(to be increased to 350 when the TGV NG enters service).
About the American Flyer, it is intended to go 150 mph, I just hope
the tilt mechanism works right (took 10 years before VIA worked the
bugs out of it's tilting trains, let's not mention the British APT...
:)
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Posted by Nathan on October 31, 1997 at 18:52:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Steve, etc. posted by Gary Jacobi on October 30,
1997 at 11:37:09:
Hmmm, I know the feeling about being left in the dark. However, we
have a system about ten years old too, and in the stations are
electronic signs that tell the waiting commuters when the next train
is coming and where it is bound for (there is only one line but trains
are short-turned in rush hour due to saturation problems) the signs
are cheap, nice, and offer some consulation to passengers waiting for
trains during snowstorms where trains run hours late (snow tripping
off suicide detection systems... :( DUMB!
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Posted by Nathan on October 31, 1997 at 18:59:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 100 Years of Equipment Moving People (was: Re: 93
YEARS!!:What to do for Centennial?) posted by Philip E. Dominguez on
October 30, 1997 at 23:07:14:
Why doesn't the MTA run some really ancient (Low V maybe??) equipment
in regular rush hour service, let the vandals loose and we can be
reminded of what the subway was like in the eighties! Speaking of
vandalism,
why is NYC going for stainless steel cars? I like London Tubes ice...
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 17, 1997 at 13:10:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Aqueduct Station to reopen posted by Gary Jacobi
on October 16, 1997 at 18:56:35:
The "soon to be in use" Aqueduct Racetrack station is a side platform
on the Northbound Rockaway line. There's no island platform that a
southbound train can use. IIRC, there is no crossover for a southbound
(Rockaway) train to use to get to the platform and then back to the
southbound track. It isn't worth the delay potential to hold up a
northbound A train while a southbound train changes tracks, discharges
passengers and then switches back. Also, the proximity of the other
Aqueduct / North Conduit Ave station on the southbound side makes this
kind of crossover unrealistic. The shuttle buses to the station should
suffice.
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In Reply to: [5]100 year old equipment moving people (was re: 100
years) posted by Nathan on October 31, 1997 at 18:59:06:
anyway, what I was saying was that I like London Tubes' grafitti
resistant paint: all the trains look sharp and clean.
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Posted by faxman on October 31, 1997 at 19:48:09:
In Reply to: [5]High speed systems posted by Paul on October 31, 1997
at 10:22:32:
i clocked a metro-north new haven train at over 95 after leving
standford ct. on a express run to gct
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on October 31, 1997 at 19:49:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sick Passenger posted by Wayne Johnson on October
31, 1997 at 16:37:21:
Wayne, you're exactly right. Perhaps in the "good old days," the train
was stopped for a better reason, i.e., compassion. (Or maybe I'm just
kidding myself.)
But perspective is everything. I doubt the stricken passenger resents
the interruption of service.
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Posted by Eric B on October 31, 1997 at 20:03:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Michael Berson on October 30, 1997 at 21:19:54:
I've been suggesting to the TA for future phases of Manhattan Bridge
work(6th AV side closed, fully closed, fully open, in each case when
the Q is removed from 6th Av. To start up V service (even if the 63rd
st connection is not open yet), which would go local from 21st St to
Church Av. The G would be extended as well. The V could also be
extended further as well, so that the F could go express to Kings Hwy
or even Ave. X. This may be necessary in the event of a full bridge
closure.
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Posted by Eric on October 31, 1997 at 20:33:11:
In Reply to: [6]The Perfect System posted by Philip E. Dominguez on
October 26, 1997 at 22:34:09:
When that side of the bridge opens, the 6th av side is supposed to
close again. What I hope they do is use the T for the West end, and
the W for the Brighton local, instead of split B & D services. The
only problem, T is only on R-32/38 signs, and W is not on most R-68
signs. (the exception is the replacement signs, the ones with the
round yellow and orange Q's; I don't know whether these have "T").
Perhaps also, they can upt the N back on the bridge, and the W in the
tunnel, like it was before Chrystie St. The switching of the N with
one of the Brighton services is apart of the proposals set forth by
the East River Crossings study (along with the tunnel coonecting
Dekalb to the Rutgers (F line) tunnel).
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 31, 1997 at 20:38:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed systems posted by faxman on October 31,
1997 at 19:48:09:
I've been on a few fast ones too - One engineer told me that the Speed
Control (tm) is supposed to turn off the traction power over 95 (and
turn on that cool air whistle sound :), but that this is dependant on
the speedometer reading, which if it's off (i.e. too low), will allow
the train to actually be faster than 95 before it kicks out. FWIW, the
M-2's are good up to 120.
I've been on Septic trains that have gotten pretty close to 100 too...
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 31, 1997 at 20:43:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed systems posted by Nathan on October 31,
1997 at 18:46:22:
Well, given Slamtrak's record in high speed operations (Metroliner
MU's, Turbotrain (tm)), and their overall amazingly good safety
record, I don't expect the American Flyer to do too well. I also think
the name of it sucks too, if anyone cares. Actually, wasn't American
Flyer the company that made S gauge trains years ago????
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Posted by Michael on October 31, 1997 at 22:55:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Eric B on October 31, 1997 at 20:03:09:
This is not a good plan, like I said, NYCT plans to use the same "F"
express plan in Brooklyn that was proposed in both 1991 & 1994 with
two "F" trains, one would have the "F" marked CONEY Island would
operate express between Jay St & Church Av stopping at 7th Av & the
other "F" marked CHURCH Av would operate local between Jay St & Church
Av replacing the peak period Kings Highway trains & extension of peak
"G" trains to Church Av. This plan would only operate in peak period
only.
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Posted by Joe M on November 01, 1997 at 00:21:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: High speed systems posted by Todd Glickman on
October 31, 1997 at 12:50:23:
Last I heard the electric trains between DC and NYC carried more
passengers than al the airlines combined. Boston to NYC could be next
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Posted by Steve on November 01, 1997 at 00:49:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-68As on the Q line. posted by Todd Glickman on
October 27, 1997 at 16:43:52:
In my case it was the overpass at Lincoln Rd. near Ocean Ave.where I
watched the trains.
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 17, 1997 at 13:21:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Ex-CTA 6000s on SEPTA's Norristown High-Speed Line
posted by Bobw on October 16, 1997 at 20:38:23:
Cars 484-485 were never repainted into SEPTA colors & ran in CTA
colors until retired. (Indeed, the CTA #'s were showing through the
paint in the end doors near the end!) All of the others were repainted
in 1987, but they did operate for a time in CTA colors (& numbers)
earlier.
SEPTA still retains Cars 480-1 @ 69th Street for a work train. All of
the others were sold to either VESCO in Windber, PA for possible
resale later, except for one pair (482-83?) which was sold to the
Middletown & Hummelstown Railroad in central PA for possibile future
use as a tourist operation-Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Sick Passenger
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Posted by Steve on November 01, 1997 at 00:58:26:
In Reply to: [6]Sick Passenger posted by Rich on October 31, 1997 at
14:06:51:
I think Wayne hit it on the head. Law Suits - plain & simple. On the
LIRR, the sick passenger is taken off the train (if able) and left in
the care of a trainman until medical help arrives. This may also give
another explanation as to why a train goes out of service for a sick
customer. If the Conductor were to get off the train to look after the
sick customer, the train could not operate in service anyway.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>NYCT vs Sammy
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Posted by Steve on November 01, 1997 at 01:28:14:
In Reply to: [6]Steve? (Redux) posted by Sammy on October 31, 1997 at
04:20:32:
Look, this site should not become the Samantha & Steve Show. If you
want to post something, do so but don't try to drag me into every
posting. If I feel like responding, I will do so, whether you mention
me or not. Now as to your posting:
As usual, you are incorrect. I ride the trains to and wrom work every
day. Since my area of responsibility operates 24 hours each day, 7
days each week, I'm apt to be riding the trains at any hour of the day
or night. If one is to be honest, it would have to be said that
service at night is poor compared to the daytime service. The reason
for this is two-fold. First, there are dozens of General Orders
working each and every night. These involve construction and repair
projects which usually involve rerouting trains, delaying trains or
even altering schedules. Work is done at night when the least number
of customers will be inconvenienced. Second is that the headways on
most lines are reduced to twenty minutes after 11 PM. Customer loading
just doesn't justify more. If you think this is bad, try taking the
LIRR or driving on Long Island after 10:00 PM.
Virtually every road is closed for construction and the trains run
every hour from 8:14 on (and are packed).
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POSTER>Sammy
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SUBJECT>Mr. Apologist
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Posted by Sammy on November 01, 1997 at 03:02:26:
In Reply to: [6]NYCT vs Sammy posted by Steve on November 01, 1997 at
01:28:14:
As per usual, you sir, a wrong.
Im sure what happened tonight on the Lexington Avenue line was, of
course, chalked up to, you guessed it, what we now call the "Steve
excuses". It means whatever happens, its o.k. because its part of the
"transit experience".
Here's the deal. From 11:30 until who knows when, there were no 6
local trains uptown. I was at the Astor Place station, and the
platform was double as crowded as you'd see in the rush hour. Once
again, the intrepid MTA knew nothing. Was there trouble? Police
action? Did anyone have a clue? Naturally, not. Know why? Because no
one gives a damn. And we, the tax paying, train-riding public gets
screwed. Again, and again. If someone had the brains to call down the
line and get an answer, passes could have been handed out and many
people could have gone up to Union Square to take an express or the
Broadway lines.
See, I know delays and alike are invetiable. Not a problem. Its the
treatment of the straphanger that gets me pissed off. Sorry. Make that
very pissed off. See, if this happens in the private sector, the
perpetrators would get excoriated either via the newspapers or
television. But see, because this is a government agency where putting
hands in peoples' pockets is permissible, you get away with it. As
taxpayers, we have the right to:
demand accountability for screwups like this one
Not be treated like lemmings. Be treated as customers who can buy
products. In this case the product is mass transit
Be treated with respect and honesty. If a train is delayed, say so. Or
take the initative to pick up a phone and call.
Until that happens, Mr. Steve, you should be embarrassed and ashamed
at your stance. Any wonder why people rather drive in this city?
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SUBJECT>Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers offer fast and safe
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 27,
1997 at 10:50:23:
I have several thoughts about this:
1- MARTA- Atlanta's subway system is computer controlled but there is
a human there who can take over from the computer. An operator once
told me that the first train in the morning is always human operated.
In addition, the human opens the doors and looks out the window. In
fact, at Five Points Station the doors on both side of the car are
opened since this station has two wall platforms and one island
platform with 2 tracks on each level.
2- The subway's previous experience was called "sam". It failed
notbecause of the union but because the train caught fire and resulted
in no shuttle service for a week while 42nd street was rebuilt due to
collapse of the steel underneath (like the thruway bridge).
Sam was not a total loss- BART and PATCO are automated although PATCO
uses a human for safety(Yes they can operate by human)
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SUBJECT>Rockaway Branch, Putnam et al.
DATE>Nov 5 22:34:12 1997
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Posted by A.Scarpinato on November 01, 1997 at 08:31:51:
Saw a great NY1 report on reviving the Rockaway line as an alternatve
to A service from Manhattan and a one seat ride to the airport from
Penn station. We need to write Mayor G and Governor P. in support of
these efforts.
It made me womder, about the rest of the abandoned right of ways if
they can be made part of a revived rail, subway extension, or trolley
system.
Think of the possiblities: Service from Getty Square (Putnam) via
express on Jerome line, Super express through Kissena Corrider from
Eastern Queens and of course, Rail freight and passenger service from
a double tunnel from Brooklyn via the abandoned South Beach (from
Hylan Blvd) and North Shore Staten Island Railway, or lite rail from
the Verranzo on same
Verrazano on same.( Incidentally, are there any actual plans for
reviving passenger service on the North Shore)
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POSTER>Mike K
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Mike K on November 01, 1997 at 09:19:57:
In Reply to: [6]Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:53:01:
Here how I think they should work this idea.
F-would operate express in peak direction between Church Avenue and
Kings Highway. It would also operate express rush hours and middays
between Church Avenue and Jay Street (this would be in both
directions).
G-would operate to Church Avenue rush hours and middays.
V-would operate to Kings Highway rush hours, to Second Avenue middays
and, if necessary, at other times (evenings, nights, weekends).
Service would not change at opther times.
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POSTER>David L.
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCT vs Sammy
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Posted by David L. on November 01, 1997 at 10:03:24:
In Reply to: [5]NYCT vs Sammy posted by Steve on November 01, 1997 at
01:28:14:
I hate to get in the middle of things, but I'm agreeing with Steve.
After reading your posts it seems as if the reason for each of your
posts is to pick an argument with him and complain about the MTA's
service. If these are goals for each posting, then this is the wrong
place to do it. You need to call the MTA- complain to them. Yes,
people come on this website to express a little frustration about
service on the MTA every now and then and I do sympathize with them,
but you have been doing it for the whole week and it is getting
pointless and you already lost my sympathy if not everyone else's.
Yes, subway service sucks at night, but you're riding a subway system
that is old and understand that shit just happens. Be happy that this
system operates 24 hours, 7 days per week.
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POSTER>Joshua Caesar
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SUBJECT>Re: Take the P train - sooner than you think
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on November 01, 1997 at 10:52:58:
In Reply to: [6]Take the P train - sooner than you think posted by
Steve on October 22, 1997 at 19:05:49:
There is always the cahnce of a weekend P train, since the LIRR won't
operate into Penn Station on the weekends if there is a strike.
JC
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Rockaway Branch, Putnam et al.
DATE>Nov 5 22:34:16 1997
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 01, 1997 at 12:56:39:
In Reply to: [6]Rockaway Branch, Putnam et al. posted by A.Scarpinato
on November 01, 1997 at 08:31:51:
Well, you can't use the South Beach Branch, most of it has been built
over. One developer even built right on the embankment, using a Bridge
abutment as a retaining wall (the wall is stamped '1939')
As for the North Shore, I doubt we'll even see planning for passenger
service anytime soon. Much of the ROW has been encroached on, and in
the area of Snug Harbor, it's literally been wased away. Ties just
hanging from rails, and no ground under them. The West Shore Branch
(Arlington-Travis) is being restored as we speak. A new grade crossing
has been built on South Avenue (Gates, signals, the works, where there
was nothing before.) to serve the VISY paper recycling plant. Also,
the line is being restored to the Howland Hook Marine Terminal.
-Hank
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman?
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Posted by Steve on October 16, 1997 at 18:43:54:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by Lou
from Brooklyn on October 15, 1997 at 10:50:24:
Wrist strain is hardly realistic for train operators for three
reasons. First, the train operator can switch hands during operation.
Second, the train operator can release the handle while in stations as
long as the brake valve is in the "Full Service" position. Finally the
master controller handle, if properly adjusted, requires 9 Lbs. of
force to push the handle down but requires just 2 Lbs. to keep it
down. The student most likely was suffering from an old BOWLING
injury...
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SUBJECT>Re: Ex-CTA 6000s on SEPTA's Norristown High-Speed Line
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 17, 1997 at 13:21:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Ex-CTA 6000s on SEPTA's Norristown High-Speed Line
posted by Bobw on October 16, 1997 at 20:38:23:
Cars 484-485 were never repainted into SEPTA colors & ran in CTA
colors until retired. (Indeed, the CTA #'s were showing through the
paint in the end doors near the end!) All of the others were repainted
in 1987, but they did operate for a time in CTA colors (& numbers)
earlier.
SEPTA still retains Cars 480-1 @ 69th Street for a work train. All of
the others were sold to either VESCO in Windber, PA for possible
resale later, except for one pair (482-83?) which was sold to the
Middletown & Hummelstown Railroad in central PA for possibile future
use as a tourist operation-Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCTA Bus Ads
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Posted by Adam on November 01, 1997 at 13:27:49:
In Reply to: [6]NYCTA Bus Ads posted by Garfield A on October 30, 1997
at 08:37:25:
I don't like the full bus advertisements either. I can't even tell
which bus or bus line it is when they are all covered up with an ad.
It looks extremely unprofessional and I think they should go back to
the simple ads on the side of the bus.
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn.
DATE>Nov 5 22:34:19 1997
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Posted by Michael Berson on November 01, 1997 at 13:39:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Michael on October 31, 1997 at 22:55:48:
Instead of having the F terminate at Church Avenue, why not extend it
South to Kings Highway. Trains marked Coney island would run express
between Jay Street and Kings Highway. Trains marked Kings Highway
would run local. By doing it this way, there would be no need to
extend the G to Church Avenue. The F (express and local) would serve
Church Avenue.
This is how the F express used to be provided before it was
"temporarily halted" in the mid 80's due to "express track
re-construction."
This plan would also make the Carroll Street residents happy as they
would still have the F service. From what I understand, part of the
reason the express service was eliminated was due to complaints that
Carroll Street was only served by the G during peak hours. With this
arrangement, the F would stop at Carroll Street and keep everyone
happy...
Any thoughts??
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POSTER>Joe M
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SUBJECT>Re: Delays Vs Information
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Posted by Joe M on November 01, 1997 at 14:03:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Delays Vs Information posted by David Pirmann on
October 31, 1997 at 08:20:02:
Well stated
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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SUBJECT>Re: Mr. Apologist
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on November 01, 1997 at 17:13:21:
In Reply to: [6]Mr. Apologist posted by Sammy on November 01, 1997 at
03:02:26:
"All cities are mad, but the madness is gallant. All cities are
beautiful, but the beauty is grim." -- Christopher Morley
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SUBJECT>Re: Mr. Apologist
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Posted by Steve on November 01, 1997 at 18:34:24:
In Reply to: [6]Mr. Apologist posted by Sammy on November 01, 1997 at
03:02:26:
Frankly, Ms Thomas, this is getting boring. My E-Mail is
overwhelmingly positive on this issue. In fact, I've only received one
that was not supportive and that one was neutral, from our host,
explaining why he (rightfully) deleted one of my postings.
Having said that, now let me say this: You are absolutely correct.
Service at night is less than ideal and with all the construction and
maintenance planned for the next year or so, it ain't gonna get no
better. So let's just agree to disagree about this one. Now that you
know that there will likely be delays on your line, plan on taking
another or better still, drive or use a cab. I am not in public
relations. I am in car maintenance. I come on this site to relax,
perhaps share some information, definitely to learn something and meet
some very interesting people, but you,Samantha, are becoming a pebble
in my shoe. TAKE A HINT - GIVE IT A REST ALREADY !!!
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Posted by Steve on November 01, 1997 at 18:44:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Take the P train - sooner than you think posted by
Joshua Caesar on November 01, 1997 at 10:52:58:
I doubt that you'll see the P train on the weekends because there
simply would not be enough demand to justify it. The P train is
scheduled to run from Parsons-Archer terminal on the J line - Non-stop
to 34th St. and 8th Ave. On the weekend, since customer riding on the
E line would be lighter than during the week, the E would be a faster
trip into the city than the P. Same goes for the #7 from Woodside. I'm
afraid that there's no way you'll be able to take a P on the weekends.
(sorry but I couldn't resist)
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SUBJECT>Metro-North abandoned
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Posted by Greg on November 01, 1997 at 20:05:26:
Are there any abandoned stations on the Metro-North lines, except in
Manhattan? If so, what are the names of some?
On the Hudson branch, I think around the Terrytown station area, is
what
looks like some sort of correction facility. Does any body know the
name,
or seen it before?
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on November 01, 1997 at 22:48:13:
In Reply to: [6]Metro-North abandoned posted by Greg on November 01,
1997 at 20:05:26:
There are abandoned Metro-North stations outside of Manhattan. Just
last year, Montrose and Crugers stations (Hudson Line) were abandoned
when the new Cortlandt station was built. As for the prison, I've seen
it before, but I don't recall its name.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on November 02, 1997 at 00:43:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCTA Bus Ads posted by Adam on November 01, 1997
at 13:27:49:
The process is called "Shrink-wrapping" and depending what the ad
customer wants, the vehicle (yes, Boston even does LRV's) is partially
or totally covered in a wrapping that can't be seen into, but cam be
seen out of. The real fun is how the fleet numbers are applied to the
shrink-wrapped vehicle. In Baltimore, the local MTA (Mass Transit
Administration) has had several total wrap jobs. At least two were for
IKEA, and after 15 years of solid white Flxible 870 /Metros, a bright
IKEA yellow bus was a shocker. The real fun was that the only fleet
number was a 1" high black number under the driver's window. Made
finding the bus in a packed yard fun at 4:30 in the morning when you
got 9245 on the 36 line and couldn't find the bus for 25 minutes.
(Until the lane next to it was clear and you could see the tiny
number. Fun in transit.)
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Steve on November 02, 1997 at 09:17:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Mike K on November 01, 1997 at 09:19:57:
Interesting idea but extending the G line and maintaining the same
headways would mean extra trains. Since the spare factors an most B
division shops are low, you would have to find cars to make up at
least 2 additional trains and add them to the Jamaica Fleet.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 17, 1997 at 13:23:20:
In Reply to: [5]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
Don't forget the opening of 'Welcome Back, Kotter.' Also, Colin Quinn,
the comedian, did a video some years back where many scenes were on
the West End Line. [If anyone has this video, pls e-mail me @
oldschool58@yahoo.com. Thanks.] I'd add the opening of 'NYPD Blue,' as
well as the opening of 'Night Court'.
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POSTER>Joshua Caesar
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SUBJECT>Amtrak strike's effect on LIRR, NJT, and SEPTA
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on November 02, 1997 at 09:36:36:
I am going to be traveling to Philadelphia next weekend (Nov7-9). My
group planned to go by taking the subway to Penn Station, NJT to
Trenton, and then SEPTA from Trenton to Philly. I know the LIRR has
made an agreement to use Penn Station during the weekdays, but what
about NJT and SEPTA. The whole reason that the LIRR had to make the
special agreement to use Penn station is that Amtrak owns and operates
it, and doesn't Amtrak own the whole route to Philadelphia? If they go
on strike, will there be any commuter rail service at all along the
route?
JC
Josh Caesar
studlyjc@aol.com
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POSTER>Lou
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SUBJECT>Re: Rockaway Branch, Putnam et al.
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Posted by Lou on November 02, 1997 at 10:51:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rockaway Branch, Putnam et al. posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 01, 1997 at 12:56:39:
When I lived in Staten Island 2 yrs ago there was talk about turning
the North Shore Line into a guided busway....
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Posted by David L. on November 02, 1997 at 12:05:09:
In Reply to: [5]Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
michael on October 29, 1997 at 22:53:01:
Just curious....when they renovated the Bergen St station, did they
renovate the lower level of the station. And also during the
renovation, did they remove or cover up the staircases that leads to
the lower level?
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Posted by subway-buff on November 02, 1997 at 12:13:13:
In Reply to: [6]Amtrak strike's effect on LIRR, NJT, and SEPTA posted
by Joshua Caesar on November 02, 1997 at 09:36:36:
SEPTA has this info on their web page:
www.septa.com (or www.septa.org)
from trenton there would be no train. You could get to West Trenton
and take the R3 which will run
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Posted by Todd Glickman on November 02, 1997 at 12:21:28:
We (WCBS Newsradio-88) are now reporting that the AMTRAK dispute has
been settled. There will be no strike.
LIVE in Central Park at the Marathon Finish Line with the Portable
Weather Center, I'm Todd Glickman, Newsradio-88.
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Posted by subway-buff on November 02, 1997 at 12:54:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Perfect System posted by Philip E. D. on
October 27, 1997 at 20:51:03:
If you are talking about the 14 st/canarsie line there *is* a
connection to allow trains from this line to run on the J line. In
fact, if you'll look at the old maps on Dave's site, you'll see that
they used to run such a train during rush hours.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 02, 1997 at 14:39:14:
In Reply to: [6]AMTRAK Settlement posted by Todd Glickman on November
02, 1997 at 12:21:28:
Hope you are correct...
Gerry
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Posted by Joe-M on November 02, 1997 at 14:57:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel and South American R-46 posted by
Charles Fiori on October 30, 1997 at 15:21:49:
How was the movie about "The Money Train"? The previews looked lame so
I did not see it.
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Posted by Michael Berson on November 02, 1997 at 15:23:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Perfect System posted by subway-buff on
November 02, 1997 at 12:54:27:
There is a connection from the L to the J for Manhattan Bound L
trains.
I don't think there is a connection for Brooklyn bound L trains to the
J.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 02, 1997 at 15:27:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mr. Apologist posted by Steve on November 01, 1997
at 18:34:24:
To Sammy and Steve:
There comes a point where continuation of a discussion is pointless.
Steve has a job to do. In his line of work, he is the point man for a
lot of the problems in the day to day operation of NYCT. He is also
obviously also someone who gains some enjoyment from what he does, and
he is a decent enough person to share facts and correct misconceptions
about the technical workings of a huge transit system. He also has no
control over the work rules which have been established over the years
by the Transit Workers Union. Admittedly, they were put in place in an
earlier era to prevent the abuse of transit employees by the private
owners, and many are no longer applicable or cost effective in the
1990s. In fact, some of those rules are probably a curse upon Steve in
the position he holds.
The bottom line is that the subway's problems are bigger than any one
person can manage. In many cases the solution to a long term problem
may entail a myriad of smalled short term problems - witness the
Manhattan Bridge. Putting up with various service diversions at night
is the price which has to be paid for a 24 hour system. All such
matters are inconvenient, but unfortunately - necessary!
As far as delays are concerned, the TA's first priority is to correct
the problem, especially if lives are endangered. Long delays can
result from many events, very few are jumpers or major derailments.
Often, especially late at night, there is little personnel and less
equipment available to fill in gaps. A replacement train for a
breakdown has to come from the far reaches of the system, and that can
take over an hour! You can't divert a 5 train to cover a trip on the 6
if the 5 isn't running south of 180th St. If you steal a 4 train to do
a 6 trip the 4 now has a big gap too. And it takes time to get a
reroute around a broken down train going. So please don't expect the
"giant hand" of model railroading fame to reach into the subway and
remove the problem. It just can't happen.
The other issue is communication. Human nature being what it is, there
definite fear of not knowing what is going on, especially when you are
trapped in a metal box which is in a dark tunnel filled with exposed
high voltage. Conductor's and motormen have radios, and can sometimes
glean some idea of what's happening from the messages flying back and
forth, but they are probably not allowed to make any public
announcements unless they are cleared by officials. The officials, in
turn, as I pointed out above are first concerned with resolving the
problem. Thus it will happen that announcements are not made, but can
blame be placed?
The New York Subway is not perfect, but it is pretty darn good. Give
the people dedicated to keeping it running a break. And if you really
would like the MTA to employ someone to sit around at night and make
pronouncements regarding delays, they will be glad to accept your
donation of about $70,000 annually to cover his or her salary and
benefits.
As for myself, I only wan't Steve to keep reading Subtalk, and to keep
responding when he feels he can set the record straight. Please
remember that participants in this site are here to exchange
information, not listen to gripes about the way things are.
Let's end this - now!
Gerry
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 17, 1997 at 15:43:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Aqueduct Station to reopen posted by Mark S
Feinman on October 17, 1997 at 13:10:55:
I recall that in the early '60s, on race days during non-rush hours
that the trains would in fact run single track through this stretch on
the northbound track so that trains going both directions could stop
at the racetrack station.
This was in the days when through service to Manhattan from the
Rockaways operated rush hours only, so these were 4 car shuttle
trains to/from Euclid Ave.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 02, 1997 at 15:36:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos on NYC Subway Resources Home Page posted by
David Pirmann on October 30, 1997 at 10:36:01:
Where was that picture taken??? It's obviously a yard lead but I don't
recognize the location.
Gerry
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Posted by Michael on November 02, 1997 at 15:56:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Michael Berson on November 01, 1997 at 13:39:43:
The reason that "F" express service in Brooklyn hasn't been restored
is because there are not enough car fleet to do the express service &
riders at Carroll St during peak-period would still have "F" local
marked Church Av with the Coney Island "F" trains operating express.
It would be nice for NYCT not to break it's promise to "F" train
riders in Southern Brooklyn that was proposed in both 1991 & 1994.
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Posted by Bobw on November 02, 1997 at 16:10:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mr. Apologist posted by Gerry O'Regan on November
02, 1997 at 15:27:54:
Agree wholeheartedly! This is supposed to be a "fun" site - let's try
and keep it that way. There will always be those who believe they can
do "it" better, whatever "it" may be, but this often involves changing
the conditions that are real and in place (i.e. union contracts, work
rules, etc etc). These types of conditions often change at glacial
speed. I think, in the real world, we've got to realize this, and
while this should not be reason for not trying to change conditions,
it is certainly something that must be considered.
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Posted by Michael on November 02, 1997 at 16:21:30:
I think its about time NYCT restores 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service
that was once operated between 1968 & 1976, this is my plan:
1)Operate the "M" train from Bay Parkway, up 6th Av from Essex St to
21st St-LI City weekdays & keep the current shuttle service during
evenings, nights & weekends the way it is.
2)Extend peak-period "J" trains to Bay Parkway replacing the "M"
trains & all weekday "J" trains would stop at Bowery but the "Z" would
continue to bypass Bowery & terminate midday "J" trains at Broad St.
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Posted by michael on November 02, 1997 at 16:27:41:
If anyone has the latest Bus electronic desination reading list for
NYCT for Yukon, Castleton & Ulmer Park bus depots, please e-mail them
to me.
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on November 02, 1997 at 17:44:27:
In Reply to: [6]Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Michael on November 02, 1997 at 16:21:30:
Are you sure wou will be able to that? I think that the only way the M
would service the 6th Avenue line from Essex St. would be from the
Williamsburg bridge... If you take a look at the track maps, the track
is going toward the Queens-bound F train track after Essex Street, and
coming from the Brooklyn-bound F train going towards the Essex Street
station...
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Posted by Danny on November 02, 1997 at 17:56:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
David L. on November 02, 1997 at 12:05:09:
I believe they covered the staircases up, but they could be dug up if
necessary...
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POSTER>Scruffy
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Posted by Scruffy on November 02, 1997 at 17:58:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
David L. on November 02, 1997 at 12:05:09:
The staircases are covered, but can be dug up if necessary...
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SUBJECT>Re: the nontransfer at broadway-lafayette/bleecker
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Posted by Danny V. on November 02, 1997 at 18:10:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: the nontransfer at broadway-lafayette/bleecker
posted by Larry Littlefield on October 29, 1997 at 20:50:08:
You know they'll never build the 2nd Avenue line, even thoug it is
sorely needed...
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Posted by Steve on November 02, 1997 at 20:24:03:
In Reply to: [6]AMTRAK Settlement posted by Todd Glickman on November
02, 1997 at 12:21:28:
Great news Todd. Thanks
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POSTER>Bob Sklar
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Posted by Bob Sklar on October 17, 1997 at 17:09:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Mark S
Feinman on October 17, 1997 at 13:00:13:
the De Kalb Av-Rutgers St tunnel? I haven't heard about that one!
Details?
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Posted by Steve on November 02, 1997 at 20:32:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Joe-M on
November 02, 1997 at 14:57:50:
From a technical standpoint, the movie was terrible. I won't bore you
with all of the details. Aside from that, Wesley Snipes, Woody
Harrelson, Robert Blake and Jenifer Lopez make the most of it with
some pretty good performances. See it but don't buy it. A rental
should do.
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Posted by David L. on November 02, 1997 at 20:35:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
David L. on November 02, 1997 at 12:05:09:
In fact, I just passed by the Bergen Street station today and I saw
these two very wide doors at the north end of the southbound platform.
Maybe those doors lead to a staircase that goes to the lower level of
the station. Can anyone confirm this?
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service
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Posted by Bobw on November 02, 1997 at 21:15:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Daniel A. Valles on November 02, 1997 at 17:44:27:
There may have been a mistake here. Perhaps Michael was trying to say
that M trains should NOT go to/from Bay Parkway, but between
Metropolitan Ave and midtown via the 6th Ave line thru the connection
between the W'burg Bridge line and the 6th Ave line. This is do-able.
It also seems to make quite a bit of sense. A couple of early morning
and pre-PM rush put-ins from East NY yard could also travel from Bway
Junction straight thru to 6th Ave as M trains to avoid problems with
put-ins. Can it work?
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 02, 1997 at 21:58:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos on NYC Subway Resources Home Page posted by
Gerry O'Regan on November 02, 1997 at 15:36:35:
That photo shows the yard lead from the East New York yard, which
connects to the westbound "J", facing west. Taken from the "L"
platform facing west.
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Posted by John on November 02, 1997 at 22:03:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Amtrak strike's effect on LIRR, NJT, and SEPTA
posted by subway-buff on November 02, 1997 at 12:13:13:
From the Port Authority, I think there is either a Suburban Transit,
or NJ Transit bus running to Trenton or Philadelphia. Or else, you can
take the #319 - NJ Transit from the PABT to Atlantic City and transfer
to the #551 NJ Transit bus to Philadelphia. I don't know if the
Atlantic City train will be affected or not.
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Posted by John on November 02, 1997 at 22:05:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rockaway Branch, Putnam et al. posted by Lou on
November 02, 1997 at 10:51:08:
There was a consideration to do the same thing to the Newark Subway
back in the 1950s. Does anything like that actually exist anywhere? I
know about the bus tunnel in Seattle, but are there any others?
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SUBJECT>NO STRIKE--NO TROUBLES
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Posted by John on November 02, 1997 at 22:18:58:
Just heard on the news - Amtrak will not be going on strike next
Wednesday. All commuter service will operate normally. However, Amtrak
is in bad shape financially -- they are in serious danger of going the
same way as the Pennsylvania Railroad, the Penn Central, Pan Am, and
Eastern.
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Posted by John on November 02, 1997 at 22:21:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Steve on
November 02, 1997 at 20:32:44:
Yeah - R30s on the #5 and a 3-car B train -- gimmie a break!!
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Posted by John on November 02, 1997 at 22:23:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Perfect System posted by Michael Berson on
November 02, 1997 at 15:23:32:
Correctomundo -- the connection is for trains coming from Jamaica to
Canarsie. I think the old service was the JJ.
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Posted by BJ on October 17, 1997 at 17:31:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago L Structures (in ER) posted by Gary Jacobi
on October 17, 1997 at 11:15:48:
Yes, we mostly her in Chicago call the EL, L not EL.
We also call the Red and Blue Lines down town the L even though they
run in Subways. Same goes for ground level and Expressway median.
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Posted by Steve on November 02, 1997 at 22:29:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by John on
November 02, 1997 at 22:21:11:
Yeah - not to mention "Bleed the brakes!". Anyone know how to bleed an
air brake system?
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 02, 1997 at 22:46:33:
In Reply to: [6]Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Michael on November 02, 1997 at 16:21:30:
Can't do that. Bay Parkway is on the West End line, not the B'way
Bklyn line.
-Hank
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Posted by charlie muller on November 02, 1997 at 22:49:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mr. Apologist posted by Charlie Bonaire on
November 01, 1997 at 17:13:21:
i am sure that there are delays in all the transit systems in other
large cities besides us. so sam give it a break. if you have any
gripes, write a letter or call the nycta. this is supposed to be a fun
site. things do not change overnight. rome and the nycta were not
built overnight and the changers will not happen overnight either. i
don't like some things about the ta either, like no announcements and
sometimes bad service, but give it time. it will change for the
better.
.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 02, 1997 at 22:54:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metro-North abandoned posted by ~airplane on
November 01, 1997 at 22:48:13:
That prison is Sing Sing. It's right next to (and around, and above)
the Ossining Station.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 02, 1997 at 23:02:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rockaway Branch, Putnam et al. posted by Lou on
November 02, 1997 at 10:51:08:
The Tottenville line may soon see freight operations, as well. AT&T
Nassau Metals (they recycle telephone cables) is expanding their
operation, and may resume shipping and recieving by rail. In that
case, the connection from the North Shore to the Tottenville line
would be rebuilt, and MTA would lose their FRA exemption from
Locomotive inspection for the MU cars.
-Hank
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 02, 1997 at 23:16:43:
Steve Kreisler has sent me some photos of the R110A, of which we
previously had none, so check them out at the [6]R110A page.
Thanks Steve!
--Dave
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Posted by Michael Berson on November 02, 1997 at 23:23:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Bobw on November 02, 1997 at 21:15:38:
When this service was provided by the KK, it was unpopular because the
KK made all local stops in Brooklyn. When I used to ride it, I would
always change from the KK to the QJ as the QJ ran express along
Broadway-Brooklyn. I think the only way a 6th Avenue-Broadway Brooklyn
service would be successful would be for it to run express in
Brooklyn.
How about this idea...begin the service from Rockaway Parkway, take
the cutoff to Broadway-Brooklyn, run express from Broadway Junction to
Marcy Avenue, across the Williamsburgh Bridge, then local along 6th
Avenue in Manhattan. Only problem is, where would it terminate?
Queensbridge? 168th Street-Washington Heights? Jamaica Center? The old
KK used to terminate at 57th Street-6th Avenue when the B ran to
Washington Heights.
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Posted by Mecca on November 03, 1997 at 02:21:34:
A friend from the Bronx and I were driving down Atlantic Ave. near the
Caldor's Plaza a few weeks ago, and were stopped at a traffic lite,
when we saw across the street what looks like an abandoned subway
station. It had a political campaign banner from '93 or '94 on it.
We were wondering if it is an abandoned station, or just an unused
entrance, how long it's been out of use and why.
Thanks.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 03, 1997 at 12:10:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Steve on
November 02, 1997 at 22:29:18:
There's art that imitates reality and reality that imitates art. And
then there's Hollywood! Some people should have their artistic license
revoked :)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 12:20:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Michael Berson on November 02, 1997 at 23:23:53:
Where would it terminate, indeed? How about knocking down the "fake"
wall at Lexington Ave (the connection to the 2nd Ave subway) and
having the trains terminate there? Have the current tracks become the
terminal; have the outside tracks continue into Queens. Not sure about
the cost of this though.
--Mark
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Posted by BJ on October 17, 1997 at 17:32:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago L Structures (in ER) posted by Gary Jacobi
on October 17, 1997 at 11:15:48:
Yes, we mostly here in Chicago call the EL, L not EL.
We also call the Red and Blue Lines down town the L even though they
run in Subways. Same goes for ground level and Expressway median.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 03, 1997 at 12:40:23:
In Reply to: [5]Atlantic Ave. station posted by Mecca on November 03,
1997 at 02:21:34:
I don't know where Caldor has located, but if we are talking about
Atlantic and 5th and/or Flatbush, you may have been looking at the
street level station house for the LIRR. Trains still use it down
below, where there are direct subway connections, but very little of
it's passengers go upstairs. It looked derelict thirty five years ago,
and I can't imagine it has gotten any better with age.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 12:43:00:
In Reply to: [6]Burnside Ave. on the 4 posted by Lefty on October 30,
1997 at 20:21:30:
There may not be express trains running through Burnside Ave on the #4
(or other 3 track stations like Wayne described), but at one time
there were express trains or at least plans for them. Budget and
ridership cuts and changes over the years forced the TA to change or
reduce service. There are even 4 track stations where the "express"
tracks are not used, such as 2nd Ave/Houston St in Manhattan, Church
Ave and 7th Avenue (F) in Brooklyn, and Pelham Pkwy (#5) in the Bronx.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 13:02:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
David L. on November 02, 1997 at 20:35:40:
I do not recall if staircases existed on the Bergen St upper platform
leading directly down to the lower platform. In other words, directly
from the upper platform to the lower platform without having to walk
through a hallway. (Kind of like 9th Ave - 39th St Brooklyn where you
walk from the "B" line platform directly onto the old Culver
platform). If you dug staright down from the upper platform, you'd end
up on the lower platform. So there's nothing directly underneath that
is covered up.
I do know that when the station was renovated, the staircases were
left alone and still exist behind doors in the new wall. These doors
are normally locked. If trains were rerouted to the express tracks, it
is not likely that these trains would stop at Bergen St.
The lower level was not redone. In fact, all the tilework was removed
from the walls and never replaced. Some of the old black lettering on
white background "Bergen" signs still exist on the supporting beams
but no other signs are left. (And you can barely make them out because
of the accumulation of steel dust). You can still see the hallways
leading to the staircases to the upper level. There is no flourescent
lighting and the station is mostly darkened, except for a few
incandecent bulbs here and there. The station itself looks like it is
under construction, with its finished platform and smooth concrete
walls, but no tiles.
If I have a chance this week, I'll take a look my video that I have of
it in slow motion and see what else I may have missed.
--Mark
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 03, 1997 at 13:03:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mr. Apologist posted by charlie muller on November
02, 1997 at 22:49:13:
I'd like to comment on the discussion between Sammy and Steve. I'm not
here to jump on Sammy, but I feel he/she is venting in the wrong
place. I would hope that Sammy is attending the meetings where
straphangers can speak out to MTA/NYCT officials. In this whole thing
Steve has explained how and why some things happen on the system. I
remember during 1986/87 I used to travel from work in Rego Park,
Queens to home on the D line in the Bronx and almost every night
(approx 11 PM) the D would make local stops along CPW. My point is: I
hated this, but I knew that necessary work was taking place and this
was the time for it to be done. It seems that the MTA/NYCT cannot win,
whatever they do someone somewhere is not happy. I've heard people
complain quite often about the system. My opinion is that for the
service that's offered and for the price it's provided - I think New
Yorkers are very fortunate. I remind people often of how far the TA
has come in the last 20 years. Just think about it: 15 years ago
nearly every subway car (excluding those assigned to the JFK Express)
had graffiti, MDBF rates were not good at all, Many cars had
non-working A/C, many buses had non-working A/C, and we had the buses
on loan from WMATA. Of course this list could go on, but I think my
point here is clear.
In terms of reporting problems or making announcements I'm with the
group who thinks the first priority is to work on the problem, and/or
work on a strategy to solve it. I can relate because I've experienced
this in my profession also.
I think this site great and I look forward to visiting each day. I'm
also grateful that Steve is willing to keep us all informed. I hope he
continues to do so.
Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 13:07:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Steve on November 02, 1997 at 09:17:28:
What about the R-143s then? Couldn't this order be changed to
accommodate for Mike K's proposal?
Even if could, though, ridership on the "F" line would have to be
studied to determine if the additional service would be warranted. I'm
sure we could all agree that it would be great to have F express
service but if the costs couldn't be justified, then we won't see it
happenning soon.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 13:10:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 13:07:39:
I forgot to add something ....
The switch to route F trains from Coney Island onto the center express
track at Kings Highway was removed some time ago and was not replaced.
F trains leaving Coney Island would have to run local all the way to
Ditmas Ave, unless they switched to the express track at Ave X, which
I don't think would happen.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 13:17:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by John on
November 02, 1997 at 22:21:11:
Ha! A 3 car train of R-30 "married pairs". Only in Hollywood!!
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 13:24:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: F TRAIN posted by Steve on October 30, 1997 at
23:46:04:
You know, this brings up an interesting question.
What parts of the system are used to give train operators who are in
training (ugh, ugly sentence!) some "practical experience" with an
instructor? (Before a trainee is accompanied by an instructor on a
revenue train.)
--Mark
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Posted by Nick on November 03, 1997 at 13:25:10:
In Reply to: [6]New R110A photos posted by David Pirmann on November
02, 1997 at 23:16:43:
Thanks so much, Steve....I've been waiting for these!!!-NICK
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Do any of the R110 trains (both A and B) run on weekends? For the
weekdays, do they run all the time, or just sometimes? Basically,
what's their schedule?
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Posted by Nathan on October 17, 1997 at 18:11:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Modern El Structures posted by Mark S Feinman on
October 17, 1997 at 13:02:35:
Yeah, that would be the one... The suspension bridge is concrete
(minus the cables), the only thing I like about the system is
A)it's fast (up to 125km/h)
B)the trains make a cool sound...
(Maybe I need a life...)
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SUBJECT>You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train - sooner than you think)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997 at 13:29:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Take the P train - sooner than you think posted by
Steve on November 01, 1997 at 18:44:22:
.... Amtrak and the BLE recently announced an agreement that would
prevent a strike. It also removes any possibility of a P train. Shucks
- it would have been a fun ride!
--Mark
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SUBJECT>Money Train - Car #51050
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Posted by Steve on November 03, 1997 at 13:34:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Joe-M on
November 02, 1997 at 14:57:50:
One thing I should have commented on was the "Money Train" which was
used to make the movie. The elaborate car, which was used in the
filming of the movie was an actual subway car (R-17 I believe. The car
was converted at Coney Island Overhaul Shop and is usually kept
outside of the shop (visible from the F train south of the Avenue X
station).
I have a very mediocre scan of a polaroid of the car available but
hope to get some better 35MM Shots soon.
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 03, 1997 at 13:50:18:
In Reply to: [6]Money Train - Car #51050 posted by Steve on November
03, 1997 at 13:34:09:
'Ello,
We already have some shots of it, at
[7]http://www.nycsubway.org/album/moneytrain/
:-)
Dave
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Posted by Steve on November 03, 1997 at 16:33:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Money Train - Car #51050 posted by David Pirmann
on November 03, 1997 at 13:50:18:
Thanks Dave,
Much better shots than mine!
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Posted by Prfnoff on November 03, 1997 at 16:49:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Michael Berson on October 30, 1997 at 21:19:54:
If I remember right, in the days when the 63rd St and Archer Ave
subways had just started running, the R service ran all the way to
179th St, not 71-Continental, and the F was still express in that
area. I don't know why the F and R were switched.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 03, 1997 at 17:16:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Gerry
O'Regan on November 03, 1997 at 12:10:09:
I thought the "tripper" was a bit amusing also.
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Posted by Lefty on November 03, 1997 at 17:45:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Burnside Ave. on the 4 posted by Mark S Feinman on
November 03, 1997 at 12:43:00:
they should run an express 4 in the bronx heading downtown in the
afternoon rush hour. that would be one FAST ride down...
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 03, 1997 at 18:06:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCTA Bus Ads posted by Dan Lawrence on November
02, 1997 at 00:43:51:
It would be worth an ugly bus or two to have an IKEA in northern
California. In Sacramento, our shrink-wrapped busses feature Cal
Worthington!
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POSTER>A. Scarpinato
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Posted by A. Scarpinato on November 03, 1997 at 18:09:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Michael Berson on November 02, 1997 at 23:23:53:
Even better would be a "KL" which would run Broadway Brooklyn local,
with the Z, and a K out of Rockaway Parkway which would run express
with the J. Why not financilly practical but good,would be third
tracking the J along Jamaica avenue to Crescent St, with a switch for
express stops at Woodhaven and 121 street.It could then go local from
Crescent to Alabama Ave, and back to express This would make the J
express from Jamaica Center and might finally be competitive with the
E and F to downtown.
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POSTER>Lou from middletown
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Posted by Lou from middletown on November 03, 1997 at 18:19:29:
In Reply to: [5]R110 Running times posted by Nick on November 03, 1997
at 13:27:43:
I know for sure the 110b doesnt run on Mondays- a conductor on the A
told me so (on a Monday,of course!), so you can take it from there....
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 17, 1997 at 21:28:50:
In Reply to: [6]R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Philip E. Dominguez
on October 16, 1997 at 21:22:51:
The D line is served totally by Concourse Maintenance Shop. The
Concourse fleet is made up of 296 R-68 cars. There are no R-32s in the
Concourse fleet so NO R-32 D trains......The swap between the Q and B
line equipment was done for some very valid reasons. Primarily to
increase the mileage accumulated by the newer R-68A fleet while
permitting the R-40 fleet to lay up during the weekend to receive the
maintenance that the older cars require. One added benifit will be
decreased dwell time on the Q line because of the 8 additional door
openings per train.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 03, 1997 at 18:20:19:
In Reply to: [6]You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train -
sooner than you think) posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997
at 13:29:50:
Why can't I take a P? Where will I go????? :>
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POSTER>Eric Bolden
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Posted by Eric Bolden on November 03, 1997 at 19:38:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Michael Berson on November 02, 1997 at 23:23:53:
Maybe it was unpopular because rush hours (the only time it ran) was
not the time it was most needed. Alot of people transfer from the F to
the J on evenings and weekends, and the Myrtle line has no service
into the city. I have suggested joining the M to the C (perhaps then
calling it the "K"), providing service from uptown to Metropolitan,
which now requires four trains. Only now, that is unlikely, because
the C is joining the OPTO program and will have to use 75 ft. cars,
which cannot operate over the bridge while there is service in the
opposite direction. Another idea, for future Manhattan Bridge
arrangements (6th Av side closed, fully closed, fully open, in each
case with a shuttle running to 21st St.) have service between 21st St.
and Metropolitan.
Another idea, is to send the M to Chambers, and through-route the IND
service with the J, or perhaps to Canarsie.
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on November 03, 1997 at 19:40:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Mr. Apologist posted by Wayne Johnson on November
03, 1997 at 13:03:34:
I completely agree that the accomplishments made by the MTA over the
last 15 years have been tremendous. Remember around 1981? Graffiti
covered EVERY car. Trains were pulled from service due to Motorman cab
windows covered by paint. Remember when the windows in the cars were
covered? You did know what station you were in until the doors opened
since the windows were covered by paint.
Also be thankful that the fleet is now Air-Conditioned. Back in the
early 80's, the cars that had A/C did not work very well. Ever try
riding in a Downtown #4 on a crowded August day at about 5:00pm
without AC?
Also, don't forget the string of derailaments and the tunnel fires of
around 1981. Also, look at the cleanliness of the cars. Remember
R-32's in the early 80's? Not counting the graffiti, the stainless
steel cars were filthy. Now the cars are washed. I don't believe cars
were ever washed back then.
So. before complaining of how bad the system is, realize how the
system has turned around in the past 15 years. Sure it needs
maintenance, but anything 93 years old needs to be "tuned-up."
Especially, when during the late 60's, 70's and early 80's, tune-ups
were never performed.
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POSTER>Eric B.
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn.
DATE>Nov 5 22:35:20 1997
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Posted by Eric B. on November 03, 1997 at 19:45:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Michael on October 31, 1997 at 22:55:48:
I think bringing another line out there makes more sense than
alternating one line. On what headways will these express and local
trains operate?
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POSTER>chris
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SUBJECT>Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997
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Posted by chris on November 03, 1997 at 20:51:39:
Does anyone have a list ,of all street renamings ,in NYC,,ie===Mother
Gaston--old Stone Av
I know the Interboro Parkway just changed to an unknown name listing'
I am looking for all changes from 1995
thank you christof@webtv.net
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POSTER>Mike
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SUBJECT>Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to & from New Jersey & Brooklyn
DATE>Nov 5 22:35:21 1997
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Posted by Mike on November 03, 1997 at 21:30:06:
I think its about time that NYCT adds new bus service from Staten
Island to both Brooklyn & New Jersey on both the Gothels & Outerbridge
Crossing to serve new markets. If you happen to know any of your plans
or heard of anything on this happening, please e-mail me.
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POSTER>Joe-M
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SUBJECT>Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train
DATE>Nov 5 22:35:22 1997
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Posted by Joe-M on November 03, 1997 at 23:25:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Wayne
Johnson on November 03, 1997 at 17:16:04:
Well I will rent the movie and have a look, but I won't expect to
learn anything about the system. Thanks
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 17, 1997 at 21:32:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Lou from Brooklyn
on October 17, 1997 at 10:27:10:
You are correct about the B / C swap - barring the community outrage
that followed the B / Q equipment swap. Don't waste your time about
the R-32s being back on the D line - cause it just ain't so - at least
not now. 1999 - well that's another story !!!!!
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POSTER>John
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DATE>Nov 5 22:35:24 1997
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Posted by John on October 09, 1997 at 00:07:44:
In Reply to: [5]Slamtrak Talgo Tilters... posted by Nathan on October
08, 1997 at 22:27:37:
What's the story with those trains, anyway? I can't find any
information on them at all. All I know is that they are a
Spanish-built train and I have seen a couple photos, but there is
nothing written about them in the Amtrak timetables or travel planner.
I almost had the chance to ride one between Seattle and Vancouver this
summer, but the [only] departure from Seattle was 7:30 in the morning,
and I wasn't about to get up that early, so I took an 11:00 flight to
Vancouver.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 09, 1997 at 00:13:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I miss my 68 posted by subway-buff on October 07,
1997 at 20:44:47:
What's an R-312?
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: 24hr. subways
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Posted by John on October 09, 1997 at 00:17:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 24hr. subways posted by Carl M. Rabbin on October
07, 1997 at 10:01:08:
The PATH is also a 24-hour system.
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on October 09, 1997 at 02:01:26:
A number of lines have 3-track/station set-ups for potential peak
direction express service. Some are used (e.g.,D/C,7,J/Z/M) while
some aren't. (e.g.,4,F,B/M). What are the costs & patronage on each
line? Can it support the proposed service improvement? West End
express service sounds good, but what would be the impact on the
essentially-overlapping N line? Would its service need to be reduced
or eliminated? I think there once was peak F express service to Kings
Highway, where those trains turned around, while F locals continued
on to Coney Island. But it was dropped (why?). Would a combination of
better B/M & F service threaten the nearby N's existence? Should it?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: I dont like the Beep noise on R110a
DATE>Nov 5 22:35:27 1997
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 09, 1997 at 07:09:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I dont like the Beep noise on R110a posted by
Nathan on October 08, 1997 at 22:25:40:
Then you certainly won't like the new sound on the Bi-levels recently
delivered to Chicago's Metra. The first ones delivered, which are cab
cars, take out a large chunk of seats downstairs for a
wheelchair-accessible washroom. They also have a two-tone when the
doors close. The tones are ascending, rather than descending and sound
as if they have been stolen from one of those Christmas cards with a
little chip inside to play Silent Night or whatever. Then there is a
recorded voice saying: "Caution. The doors are about to close."
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 09, 1997 at 08:00:59:
Some may care and some may not, but in looking over my collection of
signs, it seems an interesting insight can be gained into planning at
the MTA (?)
The sign referenced in the title lists as follows (along with the
color and symbol):
Train to the Plane (lt. bl. cir.);
A-Wash Hts.-8 Av-Fulton (dk. bl. cir);
C-8 Av-Fulton (dk. bl. cir);
C-Concourse-8 Av-Fulton (dk. bl. diamond);
H-Rockaway Shuttle (dk bl cir.);
E-Queens Blvd.-8 Avenue (dk bl cir.);
F-Queens Blvd-6 Av-Culver (orange cir);
F-6 Avenue-Culver (orange cir);
G-Queens Blvd.-Crosstown (lime gr. cir.);
R-Queens Blvd.-Bway-4 Av (yellow cir);
R-Queens Blvd.-Broadway (yellow cir);
S-63 Street Shuttle (yellow cir);
W-Astoria-Broadway (yellow diamond);
N-Astoria-Bway-Sea Beach (yellow cir.);
B-Broadway-West End (yellow cir.);
B-Astoria-Bway-West End (yellow diamond);
D, Q-Broadway-Brighton (yellow cir.-2 sep. signs);
D-Concourse-6 Av-Brighton (orange circle);
D-Concourse-6 Avenue (orange circle);
Q-6 Avenue-Brighton (orange circle);
B-6 Avenue-West End (orange circle);
B-Washington Hts.-6 Av-West End (orange circle);
B-West End Shuttle (orange circle);
B-Washington Hts.-6 Avenue (orange diamond);
K-Washington Hts.-8 Avenue (dk. bl. cir.);
S-6 Avenue Shuttle (orange cir.);
V-via 6 Avenue (orange cir.);
M-Myrtle Av-Nassau St. (brown cir.);
M-Myrtle Av Shuttle (brown cir.);
M-Myrtle-Nassau-West End (brown diamond);
R-Nassau St-4 Avenue (brown diamond);
Z (brown cir.-no route designation);
J-Jamaica-Nassau St. (brown cir.);
J-Jamaica-Nassau-Brighton (brown diamond);
L-14 Street-Canarsie (lt. grey cir.);
S-Franklin Av Shuttle (lt. grey cir.);
P, T, U, X, Y (black letter in white circle, centered);
Shuttle
Your thoughts are appreciated, as always.
Hope you don't mind, I reformatted this list slightly. --Dave
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on October 09, 1997 at 10:01:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: what line is currently runing R-110b cars(ind/bmt)
posted by Steve on October 08, 1997 at 21:09:38:
Q has at least an R32 hit it twice in one week, maybe too many 40s's
are laid up.
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on October 09, 1997 at 10:06:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Mark S Feinman on October
08, 1997 at 13:58:17:
The Brighton line offers a great deal of variety not
offered by other lines:
- elevated EL to Neptune Ave ** GOOD POINT**
This was great with the B Train I liked railfanning the B with the MB
and the interlocking into Dekalb and on weekends to 21st St. Riding
the Q through Dekalb is the best part of the Ride IMHO.
- tunnel to Manhattan Bridge
- the ride over the Mahnattan Bridge
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on October 09, 1997 at 10:07:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I miss my 68 posted by David L. on October 08,
1997 at 21:05:10:
What ever happened to the "art" projects they would put down there.
Does anyone remember the moving image thing?? (Myrtle Ave)
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POSTER>Charles Fiori (to D.P.)
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SUBJECT>Re: Side signs-R32-38
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Posted by Charles Fiori (to D.P.) on October 09, 1997 at 11:30:23:
In Reply to: [5]Side signs-R32-38 posted by Charles Fiori on October
09, 1997 at 08:00:59:
You da man!!! :-)
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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DATE>Nov 5 22:35:32 1997
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on October 09, 1997 at 11:32:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 24hr. subways posted by John on October 09, 1997
at 00:17:31:
Is PATH 24 hours to Philly?
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: WAV files
DATE>Nov 5 22:35:32 1997
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 09, 1997 at 12:21:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: WAV files posted by David Pirmann on October 08,
1997 at 15:46:31:
Ok ... I see them now. I used anonymous ftp to get
'em.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 09, 1997 at 12:27:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Lou on October 09, 1997 at
10:07:56:
Yes I remember that "moving image thing" well. I believe it was a
series
of pictures when seen through the slats of the "exhibit" from a moving
train that gave it the appearance of motion. I think it was people
walking or running but I don't remember exactly. It was vandalized and
I
guess no one wanted to spend the money to fix it up.
My opinion - take down that "structure" so we can see the remains of
the
station (and maybe even a future transit museum trip ... :)
--Mark
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POSTER>Michael S. Buglak
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SUBJECT>Re: 24hr. subways
DATE>Nov 5 22:35:34 1997
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 09, 1997 at 13:10:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 24hr. subways posted by FRED WELLMAN on October
09, 1997 at 11:32:55:
PATCO (not PATH) does run 24 hours into Philly from Camden &
Lindenwold, NJ. I believe the headway is every 30 minutes during the
"owl" hours (1am-5am). BTW, this is the same "Locust Street Subway"
that was operated as part of the PRT/PTC/SEPTA Broad Street Subway
system from c.1936-1968 between Philadelphia & Camden.
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: I dont like the Beep noise on R110a
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Posted by John on October 09, 1997 at 15:21:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I dont like the Beep noise on R110a posted by
Charles Fiori on October 09, 1997 at 07:09:40:
Maybe, instead of 'ding-dong' and instead of 'beep-beep', they can use
the sound that the LIRR has for the doors, -
'rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring'.
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SUBJECT>Re: 24hr. subways
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Posted by John on October 09, 1997 at 15:26:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 24hr. subways posted by Michael S. Buglak on
October 09, 1997 at 13:10:33:
No, no, no, I meant PATH - not PATCO.
PATH - as in Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corp. Newark-Journal
Square-WTC, and Journal Square-Hoboken-33rd Street are the two 24 hour
lines. The others run only during the day.
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Posted by Lefty on October 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
are there any of the nyc type subway cars operating on other systems?
and if so pictures of em?
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Posted by subway-buff on October 09, 1997 at 16:52:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I miss my 68 posted by John on October 09, 1997 at
00:13:51:
Sorry! The r-312 is a typo for R32 ! Sorry 'bout that. I get fifty
lashes with a wet noodle!
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POSTER>Brent Foster
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Posted by Brent Foster on October 09, 1997 at 17:14:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Slamtrak Talgo Tilters... posted by John on
October 09, 1997 at 00:07:44:
You guys haven't heard from me before, so I'll introduce myself now.My
name's Brent, and I'm a 16 year old co-op student living in Toronto
and studying with the TTC. I've been fascinated by subways for so long
that I'm convinced it's genetic.
As for those Talgo trainsets, the RUMOR is that the normally operate
in the 100-110 mph range. One neat thing that I read was that their
wheel gauge is able to stretch and contract without any jacking or
removing the axles (this comes in handy on trains leaving Spain for
other points in Europe due to Spain's broad gauge).
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POSTER>Brent Foster
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Posted by Brent Foster on October 09, 1997 at 17:39:16:
In Reply to: [6]New Orions, Part Deux posted by Charles Fiori on
October 03, 1997 at 11:35:09:
Do you know wether those buses are manufactured in Canada at Ontario
Bus Industries'(Orion) plant in Missassauga, Ontario, or if they're
made in an American factory?
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Posted by Zack on October 09, 1997 at 20:52:45:
In Reply to: [6]Slamtrak Talgo Tilters... posted by Nathan on October
08, 1997 at 22:27:37:
there 2 sets now and 3 more on the way
one set is under going highspeed testing last i heard(the superliners
that are filling in are plan $hit) the other is running between
vancouver B.C and seattle daily
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 09, 1997 at 22:44:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I dont like the Beep noise on R110a posted by John
on October 09, 1997 at 15:21:18:
Hey, I *LIKE* that ringing noise. Of course durring rush hour it
should happen as the doors open, along with a canned voice saying "and
they're off!!!..." :) Could be billed as a warning to the people on
the platform to watch out for speeding commuters :) Also cool is the
variety of Speed Control (tm:) buzzers/bells those M-1s have. Though
my favorite is the whistle that the M-2s have in the cab - boy you can
hear that thing from the other car!!!
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 09, 1997 at 22:44:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I dont like the Beep noise on R110a posted by John
on October 09, 1997 at 15:21:18:
Hey, I *LIKE* that ringing noise. Of course durring rush hour it
should happen as the doors open, along with a canned voice saying "and
they're off!!!..." :) Could be billed as a warning to the people on
the platform to watch out for speeding commuters :) Also cool is the
variety of Speed Control (tm:) buzzers/bells those M-1s have. Though
my favorite is the whistle that the M-2s have in the cab - boy you can
hear that thing from the other car!!!
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on October 10, 1997 at 02:20:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Front signs-B Division (I'm not making this up!)
posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997 at 07:54:22:
somewhere on this site i bleave its in the coney yard historcial
section there is a r30 with V in a red circle in it.
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 10, 1997 at 08:52:45:
In Reply to: [6]NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Lefty on October 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
I don't know about NY subway cars, but there have been two cases
of former Chicago Interurban or L cars going to Philadelphia, both
times
to the SEPTA Norristown line:
1. After the North Shore line ceased operation in 1961, the Red Arrow
Line bought the Electroliners (renamed Liberty Liners and somewhat
modified) for use on the Norristown line.
2. More recently, ex CTA PCC L cars (6000 series) were used on the
Norristown line.
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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Posted by Julio Perez on October 10, 1997 at 08:58:56:
In Reply to: [6]WAV files posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997
at 13:24:25:
Point your browser to
[7]http://www.totalny.com/outabout/nyaccent/nysounds/
and you will see a series of sounds not only from the subway, but from
New York City in general.
It has some good .au files which you can convert to .wav using a
shareware utility called GoldWave. They do have some sounds missing,
though: R-9s braking, R-33/36 blowing their horns and/or closing their
doors, R-12s about to depart stations (sounds hard to describe in
text)... Anyone have these sounds...? :)
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 10, 1997 at 09:36:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Mark S Feinman
on October 08, 1997 at 14:12:49:
Reaching back even further into the past --
I believe that in the 1930's and 1940's, there was a "Summer Weekend"
special service from Chambers St. to Franklin Ave. via the Sea Beach
and Brighton lines, which also used the Sea Beach line express tracks.
I'm not sure if it used the Manhattan Bridge or Montague St. Tunnel.
It was survived into the late 50's or early 60's by "Summer Weekend"
service from Franklin Ave. to Coney Island (or maybe sometimes just to
Brighton Beach in the early 60's?).
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 10, 1997 at 10:29:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: WAV files posted by Julio Perez on October 10,
1997 at 08:58:56:
Cha-ching!!!! You da man!!! Thanks, Julio. You hit the nail right on
the head. Muchas gracias, mi amigo!!!
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 10, 1997 at 12:55:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Slamtrak Talgo Tilters... posted by Brent Foster
on October 09, 1997 at 17:14:52:
You'd be surprised how many people share that "subway gene". :)
--Mark
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
Here's a good survey that I haven't seen on here yet: What is your
favorite motion picture/TV show with the NYC Subway as star/supporting
player?? And what is your least favorite and why?? My nomination for
best is probably "The Taking of Pelham 123" even with all its
loopholes (you really think that they would leave all the emergency
exits uncovered?) it still (theres no ther way to put it ) SMELLS
right as far as operations,etc are protrayed. My nomination for worst
has to be "Money Train"- just the oppisite- a smell to it that just
doesn't go away! I also have a soft place in my heart for the I Love
Lucy where she rides the IRT with a loving cup on her head-how many
would notice?!?
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 10, 1997 at 15:01:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Orions, Part Deux posted by Brent Foster on
October 09, 1997 at 17:39:16:
I'm not sure but, I think OBI has a plant in upstate New York.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 10, 1997 at 15:44:15:
In Reply to: [5]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
Don't forget PJ (1968) with George Peppard. French Connection
shouldn't be left out, also. When I worked at the TA, I was told that
the makers of the movie could have had more authentic period subway
equipment rattling along the West End Line, but did not want it. Also,
Nighthawks with Sylvester Stallone and Rutger Hauer--included
Hoyt-Schermerhorn morphing into 42 St--morphing into the 63d Street
tunnel. Hotages on the Tramway in that one!!
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POSTER>Michael S. Buglak
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 10, 1997 at 17:09:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars (Chicago cars) operating in other
areas posted by Ed Sachs on October 10, 1997 at 08:52:45:
I rode those ex-CTA 6000s as a daily commuter on the Norristown
High-Speed Line ("The P&W") from 1988 until SEPTA retired them in the
spring of 1994. (SEPTA renumbered the cars into the 476-489 series, &
repainted all but one pair into SEPTA colors.) They were operated with
a 2-man crew (SEPTA installed a farebox in each end of each pair near
the 2nd set of doors counting from front of operating end of car). The
PCC motors & trucks sounded just like an old WW2 bomber on the rough
P&W trackage! Also, they had a fantastic railfan seat!
To this day, I feel that the $250.00 that SEPTA spent to buy each of
these 6000s from the CTA was the best money SEPTA ever spent!
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on October 10, 1997 at 19:39:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MNR order posted by Andrew Huie on October 07,
1997 at 03:08:49:
One would hope so. I haven't heard anything about this order that
wasn't said in the original blurb. I guess Metro-North orders aren't
as high profile as NYCTA orders.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 10, 1997 at 20:49:13:
I found pics of the new LIRR diesels - here's the url :
http://www.mtp.semi.harris.com/diesel30.html
They're at the bottom of the page...
enjoy
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on October 10, 1997 at 21:10:53:
In Reply to: [6]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
I agree with "Pelham."
(BTW, if a "TV" sub-category is added, I'd nominate that Seinfeld
episode where they all take the subway.)
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on October 10, 1997 at 21:44:09:
In Reply to: [6]NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Lefty on October 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
One instance of this existed in the Bay Area. From 1/18/43 to 9/30/45
Key System operated ancient wooden ex-IRT cars on the Richmond
Shipyard Railway, a hastily-constructed wartime accommodation built to
carry Kaiser Shipyard workers between Emeryville and Richmond.
Paradoxically, much newer and more substantial steel cars from the
then recently-abandoned Interurban Electric Railway (ex-SP East Bay
Electric) were sent south to operate a similar shipyard railway
service in southern California.
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 10, 1997 at 22:11:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Alan Follett on October 10, 1997 at 21:44:09:
Wow, I never heard that before... ever seen any pictures of this line
with the IRT cars? Would be pretty neat..
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 10, 1997 at 22:12:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: It's Another Poll Time! posted by Charlie Bonaire
on October 10, 1997 at 21:10:53:
I'd nominate the Sesame Street episode where all the muppets sing "On
the subway....." I don't remember exactly how it goes but basically
it's muppets riding a subway car.. :)
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 10, 1997 at 22:12:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: It's Another Poll Time! posted by Charlie Bonaire
on October 10, 1997 at 21:10:53:
That was a good episode, and the set is pretty good, even if not
detailed to the point. The set is like a combination R-62, R-68,
(orange-yellow seats, silver walls), R-32s (doors), and R-16s (seating
plan).
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 11, 1997 at 00:14:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: It's Another Poll Time! posted by Charles Fiori on
October 10, 1997 at 15:44:15:
My favorite subway moments in the movies are the ones in the French
Connection. The Grand Central Shuttle scene is so realistic with
people running about to where they have to go. Also the West End chase
scene, probably one of the best car chase scenes in movie history
brings back memories for me, visiting family in Brooklyn I use to ride
the Brooklyn subways all the time. Being shot in winter with the early
afternoon sunsets was very nostalgic for me. All time best of course
is the Pelham ONe two three! From the witty New York sarcasm to
humourous moments, and a great book too!
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on October 11, 1997 at 00:20:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: WAV files posted by Julio Perez on October 10,
1997 at 08:58:56:
Outstanding...
Thanks
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POSTER>charlie muller jr.
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Posted by charlie muller jr. on October 11, 1997 at 00:27:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: It's Another Poll Time! posted by Fernando Perez
on October 11, 1997 at 00:14:22:
don't forget the tv movie starring james brolin of dr marcus welby
fame called ``a short walk to daylight'' when a quake hits nyc and a
group of people are trapped in the subway and finally get out. this
movie was on ted turner's tbs movie station. has not been on in a few
years.
charlie muller.
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Posted by Steve on October 11, 1997 at 00:29:34:
In Reply to: [6]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
I guess Pelham 1-2-3 would win - hands down but in the TV catagory, my
favorite is the "Mad About You" episode where Paul and Jamie man a
token booth when one of Paul's former schoolmates bugs out.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 11, 1997 at 00:40:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
David Pirmann on October 10, 1997 at 22:11:22:
The Washington, Baltimore and Annapolis Electric Railroad (WB&A) had a
number of NY elevated (Steam) trailers for WWI service. The cars were
equipped with electric lights (supplied by the motor cars) and several
survivied until the line quit in 1935. None were acquired by the
surviving
Baltimore & Annapolis, but I believe several were sent to CA for Key
System use.
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Posted by charlie muller on October 11, 1997 at 03:01:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: It's Another Poll Time! posted by charlie muller
jr. on October 11, 1997 at 00:27:05:
another movie co-starring the nyc subway is a movie called ``the
warriors'' it came out in the late 1970's. it's about a gang from
coney island going to a meeting in the bronx at van cortlandt park via
the # 2 or 5 train. the largest gangs leader is killed. warriors are
blamed, and have to bop there way back to the amusement park in coney
island, their home turf, via the subway. they go through woodlawn
cemetery to get back to the train. also the irt 96th st station #1
broadway line is there.
a lot of the graffiti on the old irt trains of the 70's and 80's. also
trains going the wrong way on tracks, i.e. trains going northbound on
the southbound track.
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Posted by Bobw on October 11, 1997 at 17:39:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 24hr. subways posted by Michael S. Buglak on
October 09, 1997 at 13:10:33:
Yes, PATCO still operates every 30 mins between midnight and 5 am,
with a couple of extras on Friday nights. At one time, single-car
trains were the norm, but it appears that nothing less than two cars
in a train operates these days. Don't know why.
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Posted by Bobw on October 11, 1997 at 17:43:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Orions, Part Deux posted by Wayne Johnson on
October 10, 1997 at 15:01:10:
TMC, Orion's American cousin, had a plant in Oriskany, NY, near Albany
I believe. It was still constructing Orions for American use to comply
with buy American restrictions up thru the early 90's. It could still
be active today as an Orion plant.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on October 11, 1997 at 19:57:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
David Pirmann on October 10, 1997 at 22:11:22:
See Harre W. Demoro's The Key Route, Part 1, pp. 112-116 for photos
and text on the Richmond Shipyard Railway and its ex-IRT cars.
Alan Follett
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 11, 1997 at 22:20:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Alan Follett on October 11, 1997 at 19:57:44:
*grin* that sounds like one of those books I can just pop over and
browse in Borders. :-) Not!
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SUBJECT>MNRR Harmon Open House on Sat. 10/18/97
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Posted by Lefty on October 12, 1997 at 01:29:35:
can anyone give me directions to get there from NYC? I plan on taking
pictures there and scanning them.
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Posted by Mark Kavanagh on October 12, 1997 at 01:52:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Alan Follett on October 10, 1997 at 21:44:09:
Two ot those wooden IRT cars that operated on the Key System are now
located at the Bay Area Electric Museum at Rio Vista Jct. I know that
at lest one of the cars are still operational. I believe this is one
of the oldest cars in the Bay Area's collection. This is the same
museum that is rebuilding the former Sacramento Northern Interurban
line. They own 22 miles of right-of-way, which is adjacent to the
museum. They have already electrified a couple of miles worth, and run
diseal trains in the opposite direction.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 12, 1997 at 03:10:15:
In Reply to: [6]MNRR Harmon Open House on Sat. 10/18/97 posted by
Lefty on October 12, 1997 at 01:29:35:
Um... Weeeellll.... you COULD always take the train up there.... don't
know if it stops ANYWHERE near the the yards in Harmon ;) Actually,
it's probbly the best to get up there....
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Posted by Russ on October 12, 1997 at 09:52:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MTA personnel at TTC posted by Charles Fiori on
October 03, 1997 at 13:04:37:
I could see if Joe has an E-mail address, or he will give you his
postal address here in Toronto for snail mail. Else you could send it
to T.T.C 1900 Yonge St. Toronto Ontario, M4S 1Z2 Attn. Joe Lawler
A/General Supt. Subway Operations.
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Posted by RAC93 on October 12, 1997 at 12:44:14:
In Reply to: [5]NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Lefty on October 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
I know that some NYC cars were used during the construction of the
Downtown L.A. subway, the Metro Red Line. I recall a couple of years
ago that in a yard between Dodger Stadium and Downtown L.A. that there
was about 4 cars with their sides all in red. I think that they were
R-33 redbirds from the IRT but then again, could've been R-30's since
they were recently retired. I don't know how wide the cars in the L.A.
system are so I'm not sure. There should be someone out there who
knows.
Also, if anyone want to know what the L.A. Metro Red Line cars look
like, all you need to do is go to your local video store and get the
movie "SPEED". Towards the end, the action is taking place on an L.A.
Metro car.
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Posted by Technical Question on October 12, 1997 at 12:52:01:
1) Concerning the 7 IRT, on Wendsday October 8, there was no morning
express service, all trains ran local. Does anybody know why express
service was suspended for the morning of that day?
2)On the new city buses, there is aguage on the left side of the dash.
It "Axle Air Pressure", does anybody know what this is for? The brake
pressure? I notice that the needle drops quite a bit during heavy
braking and raises when the bus moves for a few minutes.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 12, 1997 at 14:58:46:
In Reply to: [5]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
How bout HBO's recent Subway Stories, seems they used the same station
for each story >G
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 12, 1997 at 17:47:42:
In Reply to: [6]NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Lefty on October 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
While it's hardly "another area," don't forget the R-44s operating on
the SIRT.
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Posted by subway-buff on October 12, 1997 at 20:30:44:
Yesterday, 10-11-1997, I made the mistake of riding this steam train
to Port Jervis NY for a three hour trip up, three hour layover, and
three hours back.
The trip turned into a trip to hades (I'd use stronger language but I
don't think Dave would allow it and I don't use that language). It
broke a piston around Mile 40 and we waited 90 minutes for two
dielsels to return to take us to campbell hill where 614 was removed
and we were dieseled to Port Jervis at a snail pace> Yes, they
canceled all activities and no refund or credit! On the way back
another ten minutes at Campbell Hall for an evaluation of still
non-operable 614. What a waste!
Please don't be lured by their glossy talk- $68 for diesel to Port
Jervis for 45 minutes and back is pathetic! We called 614 the little
engine that couldn't..
Dave- I realize this may be borderline, but In the interest of train
buffs I cant bear to see others frequenting subtalk to lose their
money. Please don't toss me off the site.Please allow this time.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 12, 1997 at 20:54:13:
In Reply to: [6]NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Lefty on October 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
I'm not sure if this counts but R-42s 4764 and 4765 spent some time at
the DOT test Facility in Pueblo, Colorado about 20+ years ago. Until
they were rehabbed, they sported the DOT logo inside the cars.
--Mark
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 12, 1997 at 20:56:54:
In Reply to: [6]The Little Engine That Couldn't (or the saga of 614)
posted by subway-buff on October 12, 1997 at 20:30:44:
The 614's problems were on the newsgroups last week. Apparently the
same thing happened last weekend. The engine was seen out at NJT's
Meadows Maint. Facility during last weekend and was supposedly fixed.
Last year's 614 excursions, and the ones this spring, seemed to go off
pretty well from what I heard. I'm surprised about the no refund
business -- at the minimum I would expect an offer of a new ticket for
a later trip. Everyone I've heard from always says the 614 trips have
been run very professionally so maybe if you write to them they'll
take care of you.
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Posted by John on October 12, 1997 at 22:32:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
RAC93 on October 12, 1997 at 12:44:14:
Were the NYC cars temporarily used in passenger service in Los
Angeles? Or were they just "there".
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Posted by ~airplane on October 12, 1997 at 23:20:28:
In Reply to: [6]The Little Engine That Couldn't (or the saga of 614)
posted by subway-buff on October 12, 1997 at 20:30:44:
Mile 40 you say? I was planning on making the short trip over to the
Moodna Viaduct to catch 614 crossing the trestle (mile 44, if I'm
correct). Apparently, I missed nothing by staying home.
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Posted by ~airplane on October 12, 1997 at 23:42:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Little Engine That Couldn't (or the saga of
614) posted by ~airplane on October 12, 1997 at 23:20:28:
Oops, my PJL timetable says mile 55, not 44. Where exactly did the
train stop? Did you make it to Harriman?
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Posted by Andrew Huie on October 13, 1997 at 02:16:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MNRR Harmon Open House on Sat. 10/18/97 posted by
Philip Nasadowski on October 12, 1997 at 03:10:15:
haha, funny, considering the yard is next to the Croton-Harmon station
8-).
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Posted by Steve on October 17, 1997 at 21:39:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by
Gerry O'Regan on October 17, 1997 at 12:17:59:
The reverser locking down the deadmans feature, on the NYC Transit
ended with the R-9s. The first time I was aware that this could be
done, I was riding the #4 pickup out of 207th St. Yard. between 125th
St. and 59th St., the motorman, with the train coasting at about 30
mph, locked down the handle and came out of the cab. Scared the S&#%
out of me too....
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Posted by Subway-buff on October 13, 1997 at 08:50:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Little Engine That Couldn't (or the saga of
614) posted by ~airplane on October 12, 1997 at 23:42:28:
We almost made it to Woodbury (I think). 614 never made it to Moodna.
The milepost I used were the "official" RR mile markers trackside.
I did contact Iron Horse and will post my response to their reply- be
it positive or negative.
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Posted by Subman23 on October 13, 1997 at 09:23:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: It's Another Poll HBO Subway Story posted by Lou
from Brooklyn on October 12, 1997 at 14:58:46:
I enjoyed "Subway Stories"; especially Rosie Perez. Many different
stations were used (Times Square, 62 Street, Hoyt/Schermerhorn, etc.).
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Posted by Robert O'Dwyer on October 13, 1997 at 12:14:17:
I just wanted to say thanks to all involved in the creation and up
keep of this site. I was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY. I joined the
Marine Corps in 1989 and I am now stationed at MCAS, Cherry Point, NC.
As a kid growing up in Brooklyn, I was fascinated by the subway
system. The D train was literally in my back yard, as it roared above
my east 15th street home near Avenue M. Later, I moved to East 5th
Street between Elm Avenue and Avenue I. That was where I became
familar with the diesel rails of the Long Island Rail Road. I can't
tell you how many countless hours I spent walking, playing, and
exploring those tracks. Anyone who grew up near the subway knows its
more than just a way of transportation. As a child it's an entire new
universe. It was rare, but always a thrill to actually see a train
riding the rails of the LIRR, traveling from the Brooklyn Military
Ocean Terminal to what ever unknown destination lay ahead. I try and
visit Brooklyn at least once a year. Each time I come home I make it a
point to ride the subway. This past July, My three year old son got to
ride the subway (B Train) from Brooklyn into Manhattan for his first
time. The look in his eyes said it all. Anyway, I discovered this site
today by accident and I shed a couple of tears as it brought a flood
of good memories back to me. Thank You.
Sincerely,
Robert O'Dwyer
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POSTER>Ted Nielsen
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on October 13, 1997 at 13:56:23:
In Reply to: [6]The Little Engine That Couldn't (or the saga of 614)
posted by subway-buff on October 12, 1997 at 20:30:44:
I went on the June 8 , 1997 trip to Port Jervis and there was only a
minor
problem near the Moodna Viaduct. The steam locomotive over-heated
and we were stopped for about 15-20 mins. However , we arrived almost
on-time at Port Jervis and the trip back was uneventful. Iron Horse
should
give everyone their money back ( or at least half ). I think that $ 68
is
too much in the first place and there should be a refund policy if
something
goes wrong with 614.
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POSTER>Peter Sutheim
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Posted by Peter Sutheim on October 13, 1997 at 14:49:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
John on October 12, 1997 at 22:32:38:
The presence of those NY subway cars in the former yard between Dodger
Stadium and downtown LA may have to do with the filming of a movie
called (The?) Money Train, an adventure fantasy that is set in and
around the NYC subway system. Several 1960s BMT/IND cars (sorry,
buffs, I don't know all the R- numbers by heart!) were transported to
LA, some to be reworked into the "money train", a flashy armored
cash-collection train that was the focus of the story. Some were also
used to simulate intentional crashes. A half-mile-long (approx)
"tunnel" was built out of framing lumber and plywood along a stretch
of ordinary track and the cars were presumably towed along it in the
filming of the subway action scenes. I was never able to see any
filming action, but I did get to snoop around the location a couple of
times, and enjoyed stepping around piles of subway car guts (trucks,
control stands, compressors, etc.). There was a good-sized temporary
machine shop on the lot, probably the equal of a good many
rapid-transit maintenance and car-building shops. This was -about- two
years ago. As a former New Yorker who loved the subways from earliest
childhood, it gladdened my heart to see these middle-aged cars again,
right here in my reluctantly adopted city.
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POSTER>Joe Barnes
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Posted by Joe Barnes on October 13, 1997 at 14:59:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
David Pirmann on October 11, 1997 at 22:20:16:
(On consulting Harre Demoro's book.) No, you won't find it in
Borders, but 48 California libraries and 3 New york libraries
have copies. The library nearest you will get it for you via
interlibrary loan.
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Posted by dennis on October 13, 1997 at 16:08:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: It's Another Poll HBO Subway Story posted by
Subman23 on October 13, 1997 at 09:23:33:
i don't know this crap i'm from chicago.i know about our lines!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 14, 1997 at 07:51:26:
In Reply to: [5]Train memories posted by Robert O'Dwyer on October 13,
1997 at 12:14:17:
No, Mr. O'Dwyer, it is we who should be thanking you and shedding a
tear for making the commitment to your country that you have made.
Email me at chascfa@aol.com with your mailing address and I will try
and see what I can scare up out of my memorabilia collection that
might add to your memories.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 14, 1997 at 08:34:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Mark S Feinman on October 12, 1997 at 20:54:13:
Reagerding the r-42's that went to Colorado there is a picture of them
sitting on the test track in the middle of the desert in a book I
believe titled "In the undeground" or something like that. I believe
the Authors name in Dunahy of Denahy
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 14, 1997 at 09:57:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
David Pirmann on October 10, 1997 at 22:11:22:
Seashore had acquired one of those IRT El cars and it was being stored
at a member's home in Southern California. Unfortunately, the car was
torched by vandals before we had an opportunity to move it east. It
was a total loss. :(
Another similar situation are the Boston, Revere Beach and Lynn cars
which ended up at East Broad Top. I don't think that those cars were
ever electrified, but they are the only surviving relics of the
predecessor to the (T)'s Blue Line. On the BRB&L 1880's era steam
coaches were electrified and served until the line closed in 1940.
Four Eastern Mass 4300 series trolley cars were later purchased for
one-man night service.
The BRB&L was:
A steam railroad
A trolley line
An interurban
A rapid transit line
A beach railroad
A ferryboat operator
Amazing
Gerry
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 14, 1997 at 10:15:48:
In Reply to: [6]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
A rather interesting scene from the movie "Ghost" features the lead
meeting another phantom in the subway. I don't know how much was
filmed in the subway but there were some great special effects as the
ghosts fought and a train passed through them. Later the lead returns,
and confronts his previous adversary (a typical NYC tough) and learns
from him the secrets of how a ghost can manipulate objects. The later
scene is played out on a platform. Not a lot of subway action but
interesting...
Gerry
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on October 14, 1997 at 11:05:03:
In Reply to: [6]Train memories posted by Robert O'Dwyer on October 13,
1997 at 12:14:17:
Good post. Reminds me of growing up in Newark, where we all revered
the City Subway and explored every inch of it. On a hot summer day,
nothing beat parking our bikes at Franklin Ave., the line's northern
terminus, and taking a ride along Branch Brook Park, then down into
the tunnel under downtown, for a cool half-hour round trip.
I feel sorry for anyone who didn't have a rail line nearby when they
were growing up. (Later, after we moved from our house in Rahway next
to the PRR tracks, I had trouble falling asleep without the noises of
the trains.)
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 14, 1997 at 12:03:42:
In Reply to: [6]The Little Engine That Couldn't (or the saga of 614)
posted by subway-buff on October 12, 1997 at 20:30:44:
Here is what I have picked up and shamlessly copied from other places
on the net and Compuserve:
The 614 has incurred a failure of the fireman side piston ring.
Inspection
has indicated that neither the cylinder nor the valve was damaged by
the ring failure. A spare set of rings are being installed but the
rings are thinner than design, consiquently a spacer is being welded
in the piston grove to eliminate the gap and hopefully facilitate
operation of the undersized piston ring. Welding has been completed
and final grinding is in progress.
Upon reassembly the 614 will be coupled to the west end on a passenger
train which is currently in the Cambell Hall yard. Diesels will pull
the train and the 614 eastbound in order to seat the new rings. Train
will stop, rings will be inspected and if all looks ok the 614 will
push to passenger train back to Hoboken.
It is presently planned that if the new rings operate properly that
the 614
will operate on Sunday 10/12/97.
Mike Finfer reported last night (Sat) on the failure of 614 on the
Saturday
trip. This was caused by a bad piston ring, and the diesels which
shadow the train were called to pull the train from Campbell Hall to
Port Jervis and back to Hoboken, where the train arrived a bit early.
The volunteer maintenance crew worked most of the night and repaired
the
piston. The Conrail yardmaster at Campbell Hall refused permission to
turn
the 614 on the wye, and made it abundently clear that all he wanted
was to
"get that @#$% steam engine off my railroad". An NJT crew was called
at Port Jervis and they arrived to tow the engine to West End, where
it was turned to face east, as that is the direction it must face to
be coaled at Hoboken.
Arrival at Hoboken was 5:30am.
A new problem surfaced during the coaling, as the automatic stoker
jammed and could not be freed. The decision was made to put two NJT
diesels behind the 614, which would be hand fired to keep up steam
needed to blow the whistle, apply brakes, and make smoke for the
masses at the lineside. (There is no way two men can put enough coal
in the firebox to power the entire train.)
At Port Jervis, the engine was turned, and enough coal was shoveled
out of
the tender to expose the screw, where the problem was found and
corrected
(loose coal compacted to a cement-like substance).
The 614 performed its usual three runbys at Port Jervis in good style,
and
the diesels were dispatched to Otisville and told to wait there just
in case.
We left PJ about 25 minutes late, and the 614 dug into the heavy grade
up
toward Otisville in good style. But after only 3-4 miles we ground to
a
halt, and found we had a new problem. Part of the screw for the
automatic
stoker had broken, and could not be fixed on the spot. The diesels
were
called back from Otisville, and the procedure from the outbound trip
was
repeated, after a 50 minute delay. We hit a couple of detectors,
caused by
the cylinder head near the first axle of the 614 and the firebox,
which
delayed us only briefly. Arrival back in Hoboken was at 7:20
(advertised
6:14).
The good news is that Ross Rowland reports that the screw can be
repaired
tomorrow (Monday), and that next weekend's trips should operate as
scheduled.
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Posted by aaron on October 14, 1997 at 13:09:04:
In Reply to: [6]Ex-CTA 6000s on SEPTA's Norristown High-Speed Line
posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 10, 1997 at 17:09:15:
What were the old CTA car numbers of those units?
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 14, 1997 at 14:05:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars (R-42 in Pueblo) posted by
Fernando Perez on October 14, 1997 at 08:34:46:
I think the book that you are referring to is titled "Under The
Sidewalks Of New York" by Brian Cudahy. -Michael S. Buglak,
Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 14, 1997 at 17:32:14:
In Reply to: [5]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
This has gotten about as big as a response as I've ever seen here! Has
the Keeper of the Site ever thoght about trying to put together a page
with a listing of all the appearences of the lines in the
cinema/television?? think it would make quite an interesting list! By
the way I almost forgot about the cameo the subway makes in the 1959
"The FBI Story", with Jimmy Stewart. Some real nice shots of Lo-Vs
there!!
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 14, 1997 at 17:41:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC subway cars (R-42 in Pueblo) posted by
Fernando Perez on October 14, 1997 at 08:34:46:
Speaking about it being in the middle of the desert, do you know about
the HUGE collection of retired airplanes in the Mojave Desert? While
browsing through the transportation section at Barnes/Noble, I came
across a book called "Desert Airplanes", or something. Just about all
airplanes that are retired from passenger service are stored there.
Not exactly related to the subway, but I just decided to share this
with everybody.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 14, 1997 at 19:56:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Peter Rosa on October 12, 1997 at 17:47:42:
Living here, it may as well be another planet.
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POSTER>hank eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: New Orions, Part Deux
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Posted by hank eisenstein on October 14, 1997 at 20:11:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Orions, Part Deux posted by Bobw on October
11, 1997 at 17:43:34:
The Orion division plant in New York is Bus Idusties of America, not
TMC. Part of the original deal to provide buses for NYCTA was to build
them in the state.
-Hank
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POSTER>Patrick C. Jones
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Posted by Patrick C. Jones on October 14, 1997 at 22:09:09:
In Reply to: [6]NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
Lefty on October 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
I wouldn't call it a system, but the Shoreline Trolley Museum owns a
number of NYC rapid transit cars. Go to:
www.panix.com/~christos/trolley/triprapid.html
Cars that ran in service on Oct 4/5 include a Lo-V/R-9 train,
Lo-V/Hi-V train, BRT el car and a R-17. Next time they come out to
play is Member's Day (check 1997 schedule on the museum's page)
If you like, I can email you scans of photos that weren't included in
the museum's website.
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Posted by ~airplane on October 14, 1997 at 22:49:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars (R-42 in Pueblo AND posted by John
on October 14, 1997 at 17:41:28:
There was a nice article in Air & Space magazine several years ago on
the subject of planes in the Mojave. I wouldn't be surprised if there
were some old locomotives sitting out there too.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 15, 1997 at 08:30:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: It's Another Poll Time-Wow! posted by Lou from
Middletown on October 14, 1997 at 17:32:14:
> Has the Keeper of the Site ever thoght about trying to put together
a
> page with a listing of all the appearences of the lines in the
> cinema/television??
Thought of it, yes. Time to do it, no. Care to volunteer? :-)
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page?
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 15, 1997 at 08:33:43:
In Reply to: [6]MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? posted by Julio Perez
on October 15, 1997 at 07:52:44:
Well, you're not exactly going to get an official answer here but my
guess would be that due to recent shakeups within the museum, and the
fact that the web site business is pretty new to them, there's
probably no one around to do it.
I also heard that the museum gift shop is being outsourced; if that's
true it would be up to the outsourcee to do a web site if they were so
inclined. Maybe it's just not in their contract.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 15, 1997 at 10:45:13:
Another reason I just discovered that will make me get over losing the
R68 from the Q line (can I beat this subject to death?).
Today we had a traniee operator and without the full length cab for
the whole trip I overheard the insturtions to him about the line. What
run position to use and when to release some of the air and how to
break. At one point he pulled the trainee out to demo how to properly
break into the station and BOY did you notice the difference in the
use of the break.
All in all I found it intresting and a great insight to operating a
subway train.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 15, 1997 at 10:50:24:
I was watching a train operator get instruction on today's Q run into
the Manhattan. The new operator was operating from Church to 47/50st
and then asked the instructor to take over holding and saying his left
wrist was sore.
It is my understanding that the so called "deadman" switch is in the
controler and has to be held down to keep the train from emergancy?
In the new subway cars is there any consideration for a different type
of saftey/deadman switch?? (Like an electrical circut or something)
Wondering is wrist strain is an operator job hazzard?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 15, 1997 at 11:45:40:
In Reply to: [5]Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by Lou
from Brooklyn on October 15, 1997 at 10:50:24:
You mean like Montague Tunnel Syndrome, Lou?? LOL
Operators typically switch hands, so this individual must have been
real new.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 15, 1997 at 12:44:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by
Charles Fiori on October 15, 1997 at 11:45:40:
At the Seashore Trolley Museum, we have cars 800/1440 (R4/R7). The
deadman
on the spring-loaded controller handle is not too tough, but I can
guess that after an eight-hour shift it could be bothersome.
(I have noticed some NYCTA operators releasing the deadman at every
station stop, which can be done without dumping into emergency, with a
large [70 lb. or so?] reduction in trainline pressure.)
However, our (IRT) Gibbs Car #3352 has a "plunger" type deadman,
whereby
you have to hold the plunger down into the controller handle with your
palm through its entire rotation. I suppose the spring on the plunger
may have gotten stiffer over the decades, but it seems to me that this
style is a WHOLE LOT more uncomfortable than the current spring-loaded
handle. And with the large arc required to get into full parallel, it
is nearly impossible to switch hands easily for a while.
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Posted by aaron on October 15, 1997 at 14:01:56:
Scratch Aqueduct from the list of abandoned subway stations! The NYRA
will
reopen station when track opens next Wednesday 10/22.
See NYRA press release on their website. www.nyra.com.
The station will only accept metrocards and will not sell tokens.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on October 15, 1997 at 14:24:02:
Just got my Mikes Train House (MTH Electric Trains) catalog and saw
the add for his new NYC subway car set. The model is similar to the
R-44/46 series cars, but is "short" having only three doors per side,
no doubt to negotiate the tight radius tinplate curves. The color
scheme depicted in the catalog is not correct, but MTH tells me this
is only a preliminary drawing, and the real models will be correct.
The best news is the price. How about $199 for a four car set with
horn, or $299 with "Protosounds", which is a sound package that
includes squeeling brakes, station announcements etc? Compared to what
we have been paying for brass models this is a real bargain. Those of
you who have seen MTH's PCC trolley car model will be placing your
orders for one or more sets of these. See your local MTH dealer NOW!
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Posted by Marco on October 15, 1997 at 15:42:45:
What is the brake pipe used for?
Why does the motorman have to relieve the pressure at every terminal?
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 15, 1997 at 16:29:15:
In Reply to: [6]Brake posted by Marco on October 15, 1997 at 15:42:45:
There is an excellent explanation of train air braking systems at:
http://www.primenet.com/~harpwolf/airbrakes.html
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Posted by Anthony PArdi on October 15, 1997 at 18:21:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brake posted by Todd Glickman on October 15, 1997
at 16:29:15:
The reason motormen place train brakes into emergency at terminals is
for safety. since the train may be unattended for an unspecified time
the trains brakes are left in emergency till the consist is either
used for passenger service or relayed to the yard for storage. At this
time the motorman will place control cut out to the on position place
reverser forward and put the brake handle into the control stand in
the first position of Handle off ( hence in order to remove the brake
handle it must first passs the emergency position) move brake handle
to the full service position to place air into the brake system(full
service)charge the brkae system.
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Posted by Anthony PArdi on October 15, 1997 at 18:21:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brake posted by Todd Glickman on October 15, 1997
at 16:29:15:
The reason motormen place train brakes into emergency at terminals is
for safety. since the train may be unattended for an unspecified time
the trains brakes are left in emergency till the consist is either
used for passenger service or relayed to the yard for storage. At this
time the motorman will place control cut out to the on position place
reverser forward and put the brake handle into the control stand in
the first position of Handle off ( hence in order to remove the brake
handle it must first passs the emergency position) move brake handle
to the full service position to place air into the brake system(full
service)charge the brkae system.
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POSTER>Anthony Pardi
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Posted by Anthony Pardi on October 15, 1997 at 18:29:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by
Todd Glickman on October 15, 1997 at 12:44:24:
Every subway class including r44(westcode) and r-46 Ny air brake have
a deadman feature which if the brakes are in the service range which
when released even if train is stopped will cause an emergency brake
application. My first few months as a train oper. resulted in soreness
in the wrists eventually subsides.. the idea of using the deadman
feature at terminals is to test the feature.. when a train is made up
for service the deadman is tested at both ends of a train before
leaving the yard.
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POSTER>anthony pardi
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Posted by anthony pardi on October 15, 1997 at 18:40:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Little Engine That Couldn't (or the saga of
614) posted by Ted Nielsen on October 13, 1997 at 13:56:23:
you rode the train you made it to P J and back to Hoboken in one piece
and the trainover heated pooor baby!!!! you want a refund man get
real... Ross Rowland provides a service for those who've never gotten
the chance to ride behind steam in its glory days and to rekindle to
those who have. $68 r.t for over 180 mile r.t ain't too cheap but hey
man what were you expecting dinner at the Ritz included..
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 15, 1997 at 18:44:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Slamtrak Talgo Tilters... posted by John on
October 09, 1997 at 00:07:44:
When I first read this post, I was in Seattle for the weekend, and
thought I had hit a goldmine. However, they are not running yet. Find
out all you want @ www.wsdot.wa.gov/pubtrain/rail/retalgo. Not only
does the present train to Vancouver leave at 7:30, it takes till noon
to get there!
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POSTER>Allan
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DATE>Nov 5 22:36:44 1997
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Posted by Allan on October 15, 1997 at 19:11:55:
Subject: New Subway Map issued
Path:
lobby01.news.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-f
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From: irt1904@aol.com (IRT1904)
Newsgroups: nyc.transit
Date: 14 Oct 1997 23:36:11 GMT
Lines: 35
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
The September 1997 edition of the Blue version (multilingual) is now
available.
Noticable changes are:
In the "Important information about this Map" section and the main
information
grid:
Late night service changes on the E (Local in Queens), F (local in
Queens), G
Terminate at Court Square (after 9PM).
Establishment of an S shuttle between 21st St-Queensbridge and 2nd Av
during
late night hours.
The big change is the re-introduction after a long absence of the
Aqueduct
Racetrack station (open Northbound only on Racing Days 11AM - 7PM ).
The ads on this edition are:
Jackie - A new comedy
Air Jamaica
The map is currently available at the Transit Museum Gift Shop in
Grand
Central.
I have not seen the September 97 Red version yet. When I do I will let
you
know.
Ferroequinology (Its' a hobby not my profession)
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Posted by Zack on October 15, 1997 at 21:32:01:
In Reply to: [6]Aqueduct Station to reopen posted by aaron on October
15, 1997 at 14:01:56:
Heres the article copyed with No permission at all :)
AQUEDUCT TRAIN STATION REOPENS FOR "A TRAIN" CUSTOMERS
When racing returns to Aqueduct on Wednesday, Oct. 22, patrons using
the A Train for Manhattan-bound service can now depart the track via
the Aqueduct Station that has been reopened.
The Aqueduct Station is reachable by a covered ramp accessible from
both the main exits of the clubhouse and grandstand and will be open
from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. every racing day. Trains are scheduled to leave
the Aqueduct Station approximately every 20 minutes.
Patrons departing from the Aqueduct Station must have a MetroCard as
there is no clerk at this station and tokens are not accepted.
MetroCards can be purchased in $6, $15 and $40 denominations from the
following locations: Aqueduct's Clubhouse Information Booth and
Grandstand Information Booth (until the last live race) and at the
front of the Aqueduct Clubhouse (until 7 p.m.).
"No matter how they do at the track, horse racing fans will be placing
a winning bet when they use their MetroCards to take the subway home,"
said MTA New York City Transit president Lawrence G. Reuter.
"We want to thank the New York City Transit Authority for reopening
the Aqueduct Station," said NYRA president and chief operating officer
Terry Meyocks. "We hope to continue to upgrade transportation options
for our Aqueduct and Belmont Park patrons."
The Aqueduct Station is only open for northbound service (towards
Manhattan) from the Big A. Patrons using southbound service (from
Manhattan) to arrive at Aqueduct will disembark at the North Conduit
Avenue Station. For closest access to Aqueduct, use the last three
cars of the train. A track shuttle bus will stop at the base of the
station and bring you to the track.
The northbound A Train (heading to Aqueduct from the Rockaways) will
leave off arriving fans at the Aqueduct Station.
Patrons using southbound trains (to the Rockaways) when leaving the
Big A must use the North Conduit Avenue Station. A track shuttle bus
will take you from the clubhouse bus stop to the train station.
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POSTER>Timothy
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Posted by Timothy on October 16, 1997 at 01:33:44:
On modern rapid transit systems, such as the ones in Washington DC,
Atlanta, Miami, etc., Do any of the elevated portions of those systems
run
directly above city streets, similar to their older counterparts in
New
York, Chicago, and Philadelphia? I know that the elevated structures
on
newer rapid transit systems are made of concrete, very much unlike the
steel structures found on the older systems, but I've always wondered
if
the majority of them run directly above streets, over undeveloped
land, or
private right of way. Although my interest in els mainly focuses on
the
old ones, I'm thinking about photographing some of the newer el
structures
and stations, even though they aren't ornate, and don't have as much
personality as their older counterparts.
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on October 16, 1997 at 07:06:57:
In Reply to: [5]Operator Trainee & R40 posted by Lou from Brooklyn on
October 15, 1997 at 10:45:13:
>
Not to be picky but the word is spelled "brake."
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Posted by Dave on October 16, 1997 at 07:07:40:
In Reply to: [5]Operator Trainee & R40 posted by Lou from Brooklyn on
October 15, 1997 at 10:45:13:
>
Not to be picky but the word is spelled "brake."
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page?
DATE>Nov 5 22:36:48 1997
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Posted by Julio Perez on October 16, 1997 at 07:13:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? posted by David
Pirmann on October 15, 1997 at 08:33:43:
"... Maybe it's just not in their contract." Ahhh, the pitfalls of
contracts. It's possible someone at MTA Procurement messed up and
forgot to use the term "vendor must employ cybernetic marketing
practices," or something to that effect. Then again, does Procurement
know what the term "Internet" means?
It's a shame, for I would suspect many exiled New Yorkers like myself
would like to obtain some subway memorabilia (aside from books and
calendars, of course, which have been readily available via the
Internet and/or bookstores for quite a while).
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? Memorabilia...
DATE>Nov 5 22:36:49 1997
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 16, 1997 at 07:45:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? posted by Julio
Perez on October 16, 1997 at 07:13:08:
Anyone interested in destination signs?? Not the boxes, just the
curtains.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 16, 1997 at 09:39:36:
In Reply to: [6]Modern El Structures posted by Timothy on October 16,
1997 at 01:33:44:
> On modern rapid transit systems, such as the ones in Washington DC,
> Atlanta, Miami, etc., Do any of the elevated portions of those
systems run
> directly above city streets, similar to their older counterparts in
New
> York, Chicago, and Philadelphia?
The elevated structures (L's) in Chicago are mostly NOT over streets
(with the exception of the downtown Loop L and the Lake St Green
line). The older lines are mostly through back alleys, and the newer
ones are in expressway medians or along railroad rights of way.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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DATE>Nov 5 22:36:51 1997
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 16, 1997 at 09:46:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by
Todd Glickman on October 15, 1997 at 12:44:24:
IIRC the dead-man on the SMEE equipment is locked out only if you
center the reverser. Also on SMEE equipment there is no such thing as
a reduction, the brake pipe is either charged (run) or empty
(emergency). A self lapping valve varies the straight air pipe
pressure, sensors and magnet valves equalize it on the trailing cars,
and a variable load system sets the actual cylinder pressure. R1-9
cars use a traditional train air system with electric holding, that on
3352 is even more antiquated.
Gerry
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 16, 1997 at 10:02:42:
In Reply to: [6]Brake posted by Marco on October 15, 1997 at 15:42:45:
The term brake pipe is not appropriate for NYC subway equipment
purchased after 1940. The proper term is emergency pipe, since the
equipment reacts to any significant change of pressure in the pipe by
activating an emergency application. Otherwise it plays no roll in
making a service stop. Another difference from earlier equipment is
that the emergency stop (and the service stop) is made using the car's
own air supply. Thus when the emergency stop is made at the end of the
line (as it has to be to get the handle out) each car in the train is
holding its own brakes on, and there is no passage through which the
emergency pipe can recharge until someone puts a brake handle in
somewhere. The brakes cannot be accidentally released (unless some
enterprising miscreant can pull ten (or 11) BCOs without getting
caught.
With older train-air equipment an emergency stop will eventually bleed
off because the only source of additional air is releasing the brakes!
Gerry
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 16, 1997 at 10:08:44:
In Reply to: [6]Modern El Structures posted by Timothy on October 16,
1997 at 01:33:44:
I have seen the structure in Miami and it is very much above the
street, however the streets are much wider than those of us from the
northeast are used to.
In Washington DC, most of the elevated segments are over rail yards,
parking lots and the like.
Gerry
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>The $100 Million Dollar Question
DATE>Nov 5 22:36:53 1997
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 16, 1997 at 13:18:16:
Re: the column by Dwyer in todays News- 2-to-1 the spineless politicos
cut the fare before making the necessary improvements in the system!
Or am I just being pessimistic??? Actually, it is nice to see that our
friend the Gold Card has done its duty, and then some!!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 16, 1997 at 14:17:51:
In Reply to: [5]The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Lou from
Middletown on October 16, 1997 at 13:18:16:
Some BART elevated follows Streets in Oakland, which they now regret
because of noise and loss of light. The Seattle Monorail runs right
down the center of 5th Ave between downtown and the Space Needle.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 16, 1997 at 14:36:00:
In Reply to: [6]The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Lou from
Middletown on October 16, 1997 at 13:18:16:
I know exactly what should be done with the surplus ... as the old
saying goes, save it for a rainy day!
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POSTER>John F
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Posted by John F on October 16, 1997 at 17:06:02:
In Reply to: [6]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
While "The Taking of Pelham 1,2,3" is a nice film, most people seem to
have overlooked Walter Hill's masterpiece, "The Warriors." Even though
most stations are Hoyt-Schermerhorn and Hollywood geography is
employed in a two-minute scamper from the 72nd St. IRT to Union
Square, the subway is an integral part of this movie, which begins in
the northernmost reaches of The Bronx and ends up at Stillwell Ave.
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POSTER>Bob
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Posted by Bob on October 16, 1997 at 18:22:18:
In Reply to: [5]Chicago L Structures posted by Ed Sachs on October 16,
1997 at 09:39:36:
Which Chicago EL is it that appears on the TV series ER?
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Posted by Fitz on October 16, 1997 at 18:48:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC subway cars operating in other areas posted by
David Pirmann on October 10, 1997 at 22:11:22:
There's also one good photo in Middleton's "From Bullets to BART"
published
by the Central Electric Railfans' Association,1989.
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POSTER>CHARLES A. WARREN
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Posted by CHARLES A. WARREN on October 17, 1997 at 23:28:33:
From the the reprinted Mcgraw Electric Railway Directory, 1924;
522 New York & Harlem RR Co (Traction Lines)-Office, 2155 Madison Ave,
NY
(operates line from Mott Haven, Madison Ave Bridge to Post Office at
Bway
and crosstown line from 8th Ave, thru traverse rroad in Central Park,
East 85th St to Madison Ave, to East 86th St, to Ave A to Ferry
Terminal
at East 93rd St ... Management List ... Energy Purchased from NY
Railways
Repair Shops at 2155 Madison Ave and 1874 2nd Ave. 19.394 miles, all
in
paved street; undgrd; 143 motor pass and 17 service motor cars. Fare
.05
Any more info? pix of Central Park traverse line? Remnant of original
NY&H
RR? You have a great site.
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POSTER>Charles A. warren
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Posted by Charles A. warren on October 17, 1997 at 23:37:51:
In Reply to: [5]Modern El Structures posted by Timothy on October 16,
1997 at 01:33:44:
You should see the bondoggle that was built in Jacksonville, Florida,
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POSTER>David L.
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SUBJECT>Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question
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Posted by David L. on October 18, 1997 at 00:05:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by charlie
muller on October 17, 1997 at 07:53:15:
How about upgrading the lighting in those stations that still use
those dim incandescent light bulbs? By the way, does anyone know how
many watts those light bulbs are?
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 18, 1997 at 00:41:08:
In Reply to: [6]Central Park Traverse Line posted by CHARLES A. WARREN
on October 17, 1997 at 23:28:33:
There is a book which covers all the trolley lines and there trackage
in Manhattan, which mentions this line. It has a few pictures of the
tracks and trolleys running through the 86St. tranverse road. The name
of the book is:"New York Railways-The Green Line". I purchased my copy
at the Branford trolley musuem in East Haven Connecticut for $20.00.
The publisher of the book is N.J. International. ISBN#--0-934088-30-6.
The book also has many maps of trackage in Manhattan.
"
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Posted by Zack on October 18, 1997 at 01:40:17:
In Reply to: [6]NBC Dateline Piece posted by Julio Perez on October
17, 1997 at 07:18:47:
was that trench for water inbetween the tracks??
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POSTER>Charles A. Warren
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Posted by Charles A. Warren on October 18, 1997 at 01:50:32:
In Reply to: [6]Second Avenue Subway posted by Chris Brunson on
October 17, 1997 at 02:02:27:
One of my friends tha I grew up with in NY worked on the electrical
plans for the 2nd Ave Subway. He wound up living and working in Ohio
back in the 70's.
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Posted by sammy on October 18, 1997 at 03:28:02:
In Reply to: [6]The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Lou from
Middletown on October 16, 1997 at 13:18:16:
As was mentioned in one person's reply, the MTA is not allowed by law
to carry a profit into the next fiscal year (they should because those
assets would generate interest). However, there should be a
corresponding law that dictates this profit must be used for the
system and should not line the pockets of the politicos or the unions.
Here's what they should do:
1) build the damn second ave subway line already. There is a real and
pressing need for it.
2) Northern Queens service has been marred by the the 63rd street
project. If what they say is true, that the G will terminate at Court
Square, in exchange for that, there should be two new stations built:
a) at the Greenpoint Waterfront (Ash Street), and b) closer to
Vernon-Jackson (7 line) to allow for transfers. Close the 21st St. Van
Alst Station
3) Build the DeKalb-Rutgers Tunnel
As for the unions,
There are plenty of inmates on Rikers Island who should be the ones to
be scrubbing station floors, not unionized boobs who collect paychecks
for two hours of work on 8 hour days. That should save the MTA a lot
of money and teach the inmates a thing or two.
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Posted by subman23 on October 18, 1997 at 05:32:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by David
L. on October 18, 1997 at 00:05:32:
The lightbulbs you are referring to are 36 Watts, running on DC.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on October 18, 1997 at 17:06:48:
In Reply to: [6]Modern El Structures posted by Timothy on October 16,
1997 at 01:33:44:
I can speak for DC and Baltimore---In DC, the elevated portions only
tend to cross over rail yards in several places, the parking lot @ RFK
Stadium, but, nowhere, do they run directly above the street like in
NY. Now, as for Baltimore, the elevated portion runs directly
parrallel to Wabash Avenue but not above it. As for the light rail
though (in Baltimore), the only real elevated structure is the bridge
over the Patapsco River and a small portion through old industrial
areas in south Baltimore.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on October 18, 1997 at 17:12:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Second Avenue Subway posted by Peter Rosa on
October 17, 1997 at 09:21:04:
Actually, in the early 70's, construction could be found up & down 2nd
Avenue but was halted. There are prtions of tunnels all along the
route. There is a portion of this site devoted to the sorded history
of the line. It's very interesting.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 16, 1997 at 18:50:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Modern El Structures posted by Gerry O'Regan on
October 16, 1997 at 10:08:44:
BART runs in several Oakland streets. The Seattle Monorail runs in the
middle of 5th Avenue, but is a relatively unobtrusive structure even
though it is concrete. However, the single line of columns, about 18"
square, are a shock to drive along as they have no protection around
them, and some drivers change lanes between them!
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on October 18, 1997 at 21:13:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by David
L. on October 18, 1997 at 00:05:32:
After all these years, It's hard to believe that there are still
stations lit by those little bulbs. Any idea how many stations and
which ones they are??
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on October 18, 1997 at 21:56:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Michael
Berson on October 18, 1997 at 21:13:46:
The platforms are using flourescent lights, it's the mezzanines that
still use the 36 watt bulbs(at least most of the mezzanine, there are
flourescent lights near the staircases and token booths). Here are
some of those stations:
71/Continental- Forest Hills
63rd Drive- Rego Park
Grand Ave- Newtown
Elmhurst Ave
65th Street (Queens Blvd Line)
14 Street- 6th Ave
......I'm pretty sure there are more, but I don't remember
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 19, 1997 at 00:23:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Modern El Structures posted by Nathan on October
17, 1997 at 18:11:53:
The Vancouver photos that Nathan sent me are now at
[7]http://www.nycsubway.org/vancouver/ and I apoligize to Nathan for
the delay in posting them. I scanned them ages ago.
--Dave
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Posted by Nathan on October 19, 1997 at 04:16:14:
I was recently in London, and was pleasantly surprised by the state
of the tubes: After being told of how dirty they were I went in, and
they were cleaner than the (what people say) pristine Toronto tubes:
the cars were sharply painted, there was no loose garbage, no graffity
in underground stations, sparse grafitti in suburban stations.
Anyway, I was impressed to say the least.
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Posted by Nathan on October 19, 1997 at 04:47:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Modern El Structures posted by David Pirmann on
October 19, 1997 at 00:23:58:
Yeah, no prob. If I get a chance I'll get a photo of the el structure,
and an el station.
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Posted by Fitz on October 19, 1997 at 08:36:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? Memorabilia...
posted by Charles Fiori on October 16, 1997 at 07:45:16:
Yes! Do you have any of the original R-27/30 side routes with both the
letters AND BMT route names? If so, please E Mail Sea Beach X @ AOL.
Thank you.
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Posted by Fitz on October 19, 1997 at 08:36:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? Memorabilia...
posted by Charles Fiori on October 16, 1997 at 07:45:16:
Yes! Do you have any of the original R-27/30 side routes with both the
letters AND BMT route names? If so, please E Mail Sea Beach X @ AOL.
Thank you.
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on October 19, 1997 at 10:12:47:
In Reply to: [6]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
Two movies come to mind - (1) the unforgettable scenes (also shot on
The BMT West End Line (as was the opening scene in TV's "Welcome Back
Kotter"). The movie was "The French Connection", that had shots of_
Gene Hackman, as a policeman, chasing a train on the el over 86th St.
and New Utrecht Ave., from Bay 50th St. to 62nd St. Stations, with a
dead motorman in control, ending in the 'collision' with another
train at 62nd St. (2) Scenes in "The Taking of Pelham One Two
Three" that invoved IRT subway scenes shot somehere.
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Posted by Nathan on October 19, 1997 at 13:42:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? posted by Julio
Perez on October 16, 1997 at 07:13:08:
Well, I know the MTA has a site where you can buy (what the average
person would call junk) old subway treasures. I'll try to find it and
post the URL... I think that's where you could get things like
destination signs etc... (I want a pair of old redbird doors myself,
make a good bathroom door!!)
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Posted by Nathan on October 19, 1997 at 13:54:58:
In Reply to: [6]NEW LIRR DIESEL PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by Philip
Nasadowski on October 10, 1997 at 20:49:13:
God, that's a diesel engine? It looks like a powered boxcar!! Or am I
looking at it the wrong way?)
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Posted by Steve on October 16, 1997 at 18:55:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by
Gerry O'Regan on October 16, 1997 at 09:46:09:
The reverser has absolutely nothing to do with brake pipe nor does it
defeat the deadman's feature on any NYCT equipment currently in
service. If the brake valve is any position other than the 'Emergency
or full service" positions, a check valve is opened which feeds air to
the pilot valve. If the master controller handle is not depressed, the
pilot valve remains open, venting the brakepipe air to atmosphere.
Only the position of the brakevalve will defeat the deadmans feature.
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Posted by Jeff on October 19, 1997 at 18:16:46:
It seems like most people want a fare decrease but I don't think that
would be a good idea. We as customers deserve something more concrete
like new trains, buses and infrastucture and cleaner stations and
tracks. The MTA should also find ways to make trains operate ON TIME
no matter what it take. A fare decrease might not last long if oil
prices go up or if somthing terrible happens. In that case most people
would be left with their jaws wide open just like November '95.
P.S.The NYCTA might also want to pay off some of their enormus debt.
(I dont know about you guys but I hate oweing money)
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Posted by NO ONE IS BACK on October 19, 1997 at 21:32:56:
In Reply to: [5]New Subway Map issued posted by Allan on October 15,
1997 at 19:11:55:
The RED EDITION IS OUT, I have seen it in a subway booth, and I got a
copy, why can't anybody look in the obvious places?
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Posted by NO LINK on October 19, 1997 at 21:36:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Brake posted by Todd Glickman on October 15, 1997
at 16:29:15:
[6]http://www.primenet.com/~harpwolf/airbrakes.html
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Posted by chris on October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
Does anyone have a list of terminals for the
W Line
V Line
P Line
I understand these are Proposed Line Designations
Thank you christof@webtv.net
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on October 20, 1997 at 07:35:18:
In Reply to: [6]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
You might check the archives. There was a string a while back that had
quite a few movies listed. Some of my personal favorites include: "The
Incident" (Third Avenue El in the Bronx with 39 Worlds Fair Cars and
Low-V's); "The Wrong Man" (Henry Fonda in an R-9, the Corona Line with
R-15's, Antony Quaile in his la office and the Roosevelt Ave. El);
"The Lost Weekend" (Ray Milland under the Third Avenue El in Manhattan
looking to hock his typewriter); "The House on Carrol Street" (Liberty
Avenue El and R-10's as well as great scenes in the Grand Central
Station tunnels); "The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three" (of course, but
can you find the subway car 7339 on the opposite platform when it's
supposed to be in the tunnel held by the gunmen?); "The French
Connection" (yes, great scenes on the West End, but also check out the
game of chicken between Gene Hackman and Fernando Rey at the Grand
Central Shuttle. R-17 6609 is now in the Transit Museum); "The Little
Fugitive" (BMT Standards at Stillwell Avenue); "The Bachelor Party"
(BMT Standards on the 14th Street Canarsie Line).
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 20, 1997 at 07:53:29:
In Reply to: [5]Subway Line Designations===New posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
See my post on R-32/38 Side signs. Route designations are listed based
on the readings on the sign curtains. Your imagination can run wild
from there.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 20, 1997 at 10:01:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Steve on October
17, 1997 at 21:32:47:
When this change takes place will the B operate along the Concourse as
the C has all along (Concourse local, Rush Hours only).
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Posted by John M. on October 20, 1997 at 11:04:09:
In Reply to: [5]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
A few additional movies and videos - "Carlito's Way," a 1993 Al Pacino
flick set in the 1970's - chase through an elevated train and Grand
Central. (This may be a politically incorrect choice, as I think the
moovie production company caused some damage to the 4th Avenue "F" and
"n/R" station.)
I think Michael Jackson's "Beat It" video was filmed in the middle of
one of the multi-level stations (like the West 4th Street Station).
Of course, the original "King Kong" included a depiction of a
Manhattan "el" train.
A very funny independent flick called "Hangin' With the Homeboys" had
its first scene in an IRT subway car.
Its by no means an action flick, but the beginning of "My Dinner With
Andre" shows Wallace Shawn in a graffiti-scarred subway car.
Oh, and don't forget "The Warriors" - lots of subway footage (and
David Patrick Kelly's famous whine - "Come Out To PLay?????)
A very funny independent flick called "Hangin' With the Homeboys" has
its first scene in an IRT subway car.
Its by noo means an action movie, but the beginning of "My Dinner With
Andre" shows Wallace Shawn riding a graffiti-scarred subway car.
There was also some awful Barbra Stresand comedy vehicle made in the
early '70's that shows her riding the subway chasing a goat, I think -
can anyone remember the name of this one?
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Posted by John M. on October 20, 1997 at 11:21:52:
In Reply to: [5]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
Here are a few additional movies Forgive me if this shows up twic on
the bulletin board:
The Al Pacino flick "Carlito's Way," released in 1993 but set in the
1970's, has a chase scene through an elevated train which continues
into Grand Central. (This may be a politically incorrect choice, as I
think the movie production company caused some damage to the 4th
Avenue "F" and "N/R" lines.)
The original "King Kong" depicted an elevated train.
"The Warriors" had lots of subway footage (and David Patrick Kelly's
famous whine "Warriors, Come out to Playyy???)
I also like "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" for its post-doomsday
depiction of the subway. Also the line, "the only good human is a dead
human!" (Believe it or not, this was actually a pretty violent flick.)
A very funny independent flick, "Hangin'With the Homeboys" had its
first scene in an IRT subway car.
By no means an action flick, but the beginning of "My Dinner With
Andre" showed Wallace Shawn in a graffiti-scarred subway car.
Michael Jackson's "Beat It" video I believe was shot on the mid-level
of one of the multi-level stations (like West 4th Street).
I also saw on TV last month part of some awful Barbra Streisand comedy
vehicle where she was chasing a goat through the subway. I don't know
the nameof the movie.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 16, 1997 at 18:56:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Aqueduct Station to reopen posted by Zack on
October 15, 1997 at 21:32:01:
Can anyone explain a reason for the Northbound only service? Is there
no way to cross the tracks?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 20, 1997 at 11:50:42:
In Reply to: [5]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
I'm going to have to read these posts more carefully! Here you kindly
warn us that "Money Train" sucks, and I go and watch it on HBO last
night, expecting a treat. At least I figured out that it had no
socially redeeming value as soon as I saw the ridiculous "Big Board"
behind the equally ridiculous "Boss".
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 20, 1997 at 12:04:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Central Park Traverse Line posted by Fernando
Perez on October 18, 1997 at 00:41:08:
OK Trolley buffs, here's a challenge for you! In the early fifties,
when I often took the Parsons Blvd. bus from Jamaica to Flushing,
there was a very noticeable bump in the pavement on Parson's north of
Hillside. According to my mom, this was left over from the crossing of
a Trolley line that ran on private right of way, through "people's
back yards", in her words. I have never been able to track down,
either by maps or books, what points this line served. Can anyone
help?
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 20, 1997 at 12:30:08:
In Reply to: [6]Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Timothy
on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
The music video for the song "Don't Want to Fall in Love" by Jane
Child has scenes that take place in the last car of either an R-32 or
an R-36 while the train is moving.
I happened to have been channel surfing a few years back when this
song came out and saw the subway in the video. Needlesstosay I watched
the remainder of the video!
--Mark
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Posted by dan on October 20, 1997 at 12:43:40:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Line Designations===New posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
As far as I know the P,V and W lines might be for the second avenue
subway
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 20, 1997 at 12:43:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Steve on October
17, 1997 at 21:32:47:
> ... barring the community outrage that followed the B / Q equipment
swap.
Reminds me of the time when the TA tried to put the R-46s on the D
line, I think, in the late 70s or early 80s. People living along the
Brighton EL complained that the noise was more severe with the 8 car
R46s than the 10 car R42s being used primarily at the time. The swap
didn't last long; IIRC, shortly after that, the D got some R-10s and
R-30s for a while.
--Mark
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SUBJECT>DeKalb - Rutgers Connection (was: Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 20, 1997 at 12:55:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Bob
Sklar on October 17, 1997 at 17:09:17:
The DeKalb - Rutgers connection is a proposal being studied by the MTA
to relive the constant construction problem on the Manhattan Bridge.
The Manhattan Bridge has been under construction for years now, and
engineers anticipate construction to continue for a long long while.
This has resulted in the "permanent" rerouting of the N & R through
the Montague Street tunnel, and no express service on the BMT Broadway
line. The construction is to correct or relieve the stress placed on
the bridge when trains cross it (the bridge twists a little, called
torsion). The bridge is not in terrific shape, and one day will not be
able to support the weight of the trains that pass over it if the
construction does not occur. If the bridge were to go, you'd kill the
6th Ave trunk lines (B, D and Q) as well as curtail the former BMT
Broadway service (N, R). And when the south side of the bridge is
done, work needs to start on the north side. Where would the B, D, Q
trains go if the north side tracks were to close?
The DeKalb - Rutgers plan would be a two track tunnel connecting the
BMT line north of Dekalb Ave with the Rutgers Street IND tunnel of the
F line, allowing trains to bypass the Manhattan Bridge completely and
rejoin 6th ave service at Broadway - Lafayette St. The F line is under
utilized; this plan would increase the tunnel's capacity.
Previous threads to this have discussed the possible impact on Grand
Street (a heavily used station in the Chinatown Area) and offered
alternative ideas.
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POSTER>Foti Makritoxoni
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Posted by Foti Makritoxoni on October 20, 1997 at 12:55:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Operator Trainee & R40 posted by Dave on October
16, 1997 at 07:07:40:
Dave, Dave, Hmm is that you Rabbi Shwartz?
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 20, 1997 at 12:57:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Mark S Feinman on
October 20, 1997 at 12:43:49:
I remember when this happened. I thought that the removal of R-46's
was just part of the big equipment shuffle that took place.
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POSTER>Sherman Cheung
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Posted by Sherman Cheung on October 20, 1997 at 13:04:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Mark S Feinman on October
09, 1997 at 12:27:01:
Or, or, rebuild the thing and use it as a BMT passenger station like
its supposed to be.
Sherman
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POSTER>Sherman Cheung
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Posted by Sherman Cheung on October 20, 1997 at 13:14:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Subway Map issued posted by NO ONE IS BACK on
October 19, 1997 at 21:32:56:
dammit why can't the red labels be on the map racks, too. I'm sick of
those frigginfragginbleepin "Immigrant maps", get rid of them.
Btw. next year in january, the subway maps will be in the
"regional map" and there will be no Isolated Subway map anymore, just
the reg. Map. I hope it has strip maps on the back for the Subways, I
just hope no frigginfragginbleepin immigrant regional map shows it
wascally face.
i'm going to kill the person who dreamt up the Immigrant map.
Sherman
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 16, 1997 at 19:04:24:
In Reply to: [6]Operator Trainee & R40 posted by Lou from Brooklyn on
October 15, 1997 at 10:45:13:
It's not suprising that you notised a difference between a seasoned
operator and a trainee. To paraphrase Walter Matheau (Pelham 1-2-3)
"You don't learn to drive a train watching Sesame Street." Actually,
there is a perceptable difference between the braking characteristics
of many of the NYCT car classes. Most dramatic is the difference in
the braking between the R-68 and R-68A. An experienced R-68 operator
can experience difficulties when stopping an R-68A.
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SUBJECT>Who invented the Frigginfragginbleepin "Immigrant (Blue label)" Subway map?
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Posted by Sherman Cheung on October 20, 1997 at 13:22:03:
Whoever dreamt up the idea of a "Multilingul Subway map" ought to be
Shot.
Sherman Cheung
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway Crime
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 20, 1997 at 14:39:45:
In Reply to: [5]Subway Crime posted by Subman on October 17, 1997 at
10:55:41:
Unfortunately, I've never had much faith in the NYPD, but that's
another story - but I always felt that merging the police depts was an
idea that only looked good on paper. In the past - If nothing else you
could count on seeing a officer(s) guarding a bank of turnstiles and
on the trains, but now they seem to be close to non-existant.
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SUBJECT>Re: Who invented the Frigginfragginbleepin "Immigrant (Blue label)" Subway
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In Reply to: [5]Who invented the Frigginfragginbleepin "Immigrant
(Blue label)" Subway map? posted by Sherman Cheung on October 20, 1997
at 13:22:03:
You're kidding, right? How many languages is it in? For a city like
NYC you'd need about 30 to keep everyone happy....
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POSTER>David Pirmann - web site host
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Posted by David Pirmann - web site host on October 20, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Subway Map issued posted by Sherman Cheung on
October 20, 1997 at 13:14:26:
Hey Sherm, lets try to be a little more tolerant... someday you might
be on the receiving end instead...
--Dave
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In Reply to: [5]Re: Who invented the Frigginfragginbleepin "Immigrant
(Blue label)" Subway map? posted by Nathan on October 20, 1997 at
16:24:07:
That's right - you'd need many different languages -- English,
Spanish, Russian, Greek, Ebonics . . .
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on October 20, 1997 at 17:48:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by Mark
S Feinman on October 20, 1997 at 12:30:08:
If you count music videos, there are lots of them with subway bits in
them. Recent ones include Elton John's hit of roughly a year ago (I
forget the name!) with Elton piloting a zeppelin - many el shots; Rod
Stewart's "Downtown Train" - subway, Williamsburg Bridge el, and
Hoboken Terminal throughout, and (a few years back) Carole King's
"City Streets" and a comeback song by Dion (again, I forget the name)
in which he sings for change in a subway station. There are many more
if you like to watch MTV (ugh) or VH1. Even a couple of country music
videos have subway cameos.
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Posted by Jeff on October 20, 1997 at 17:58:36:
In Reply to: [6]B / C Northern terminal swap posted by Wayne Johnson
on October 20, 1997 at 10:01:57:
Is anyone here old enough to remember why the NYCTA switched the 2 and
5 train terminal with the 3 and 4 in the early 80's /late 70's? Did
the NYCTA have nothing better to do or was it legit? Inquiring minds
want to know.
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Posted by Joe-M on October 20, 1997 at 19:54:02:
There was a discussion about turboliners about a week ago or so.
I found a story in Sept-97-Railway Age There is one set that was
rebuilt in 1995 by NY-DOT and is running on the NYC-Albany Empire
Corridor. They would like to buy and rebuild 7 more sets that AMTRAK
has mothballed.
The origional Rhor Tuboliners (RTL) have been renamed RTL II for the
prototype rebuild. The next rebuilds will be RTL III. The RTL III
trainsets will use Turbomeca TM1600 Makila IF4 gas turbine power
plants and will be capable of operating at speeds up to 125 mph.
They were waiting for the Fed budget to be passed to provide funding.
Was It included in the transportation budget bill??
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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SUBJECT>Re: Turboliners
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 20, 1997 at 20:02:36:
In Reply to: [6]Turboliners posted by Joe-M on October 20, 1997 at
19:54:02:
I dunno, but I *HAVE* seen them in Penn recently. My big question
is...WHY??? Everything I've ever heard about gas turbine trains is
that they suck up fuel BIGTIME. I know the LIRR tried them back in the
60's-70's, and they were generally reliable, but used too much fuel. I
think they also tried a low-platform version of the M-1, but haven't
seen much beyond a pic of it. I don't understand what the big rub
about turbines is since they really don't offer anything over what a
diesel can do.
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POSTER>Bobw
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SUBJECT>10/26 Liberty State Park RR Show
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Posted by Bobw on October 20, 1997 at 20:26:49:
I want to confirm that this railroadiana show is still on. I saw
something on it some time ago but haven't been able to confirm it. Can
anyone out there assure me it's still on? It's a LONG trip from Phila,
especially to find out it's not happening - so can someone impart some
info here? Thanks.
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POSTER>Victor Sussman
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References: <63rdo6$pff$1@kahlua.quuxuum.org>
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John wrote:
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> Posted by John on October 27, 1997 at 21:21:55:
>
> I don't know how many of you ride Metro North, but I hope there is
> enought imformation to answer these questions.
>
> 1) on Metro North, I notice there are what seems to be metal posts
> with a sharp point an the top. They are located mainly on the hudson
> line near the city. What are these used for?
Never noticed the posts before, I'm not sure what they're for.
>
> 2) How many tracks are there in Grand Central? Why are so many needed,
> I noticed some are converted into field offices.
There are a lot of tracks, in fact, many are not open to the public and
are short spur tracks and yard tracks. Leaving the terminal you can see
the 'rescue engines' on some of the short stub tracks in the terminal.
These engines are used when the MU trains malfunction for some reason.
Overall, I would have to say that there are over 100 tracks, but
probably less than 200, although I can't be sure.
>
> 3) On tracks , I think, 38-40 the tracks run into what seems to be
> some kind of loop. Is this true, if so is it still used?
The loop track on 38-40 (and an equivalent on the lower level) is a loop
track. It is still used ocassionally for terminal moves of trains, but
it is not used to shunt any revnue service. Push-pull trains are
generally not sent through the loop since no trains run engine first
into the terminal.
>
> 4) On Lex and 45st. I saw what seems to be Metro Northtracks used for
> layover. Can anyone conferm this?
I don't know exactly what you are referring to, but yes there are
layover tracks in the terminal.
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Posted by Sammy on November 04, 1997 at 02:38:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT vs Sammy posted by David L. on November 01,
1997 at 10:03:24:
Pardon me David. Going to the MTA is as usless of an exercise as any
you can imagine. The point of me whining and complaining is to express
my thoughts in a public forum, which this is the place to do. See
consumers and taxpayers have power. And the more people that read my
postings and are knowledgeable, the better. Then we can effect change
and get what we really need: clean,. safe and RELIABLE service, and
not lip service. You have to realize that if this was indeed private
industry, the MTA would have been out of business long ago, because no
one would put up with this crap. My issue is simple. Im paying for
something and I damn better sure get my monies' worth out of it. Until
that time I will keep making postings.
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POSTER>Albert
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SUBJECT>63rd Street tunnel extension
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Posted by Albert on November 04, 1997 at 03:03:30:
When will the 63rd Street tunnel extension by Queens Plaza be ready
for service. I pass by it all the time, and it seems like they moving
along rather well. Ipass by the construction site going to school with
the N or R train, wich ever I'm on the time. From up ahead and down
below I can see the construction, does this mean that the project will
be finished before the year 2000.
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POSTER>Al
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SUBJECT>Electronic signs
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Posted by Al on November 04, 1997 at 03:12:15:
When I use the the R or G train I have noticed overhead on some of the
Queens stations(Steinway St., 36th St., Queens Plaza, and others)
blank electronic signs. They are located over the platforms and at
mezzanine level of Steinway St. I have seen these signs since November
of last year. Always blank they are, since their installation.Why?
When are they finally going to put them to use?
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Posted by Albert on November 04, 1997 at 03:14:00:
When will the 63rd Street tunnel extension by Queens Plaza be ready
for service. I pass by it all the time, and it seems like they moving
along rather well. Ipass by the construction site going to school with
the N or R train, wich ever I'm on the time. From up ahead and down
below I can see the construction, does this mean that the project will
be finished before the year 2000.
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SUBJECT>Re: Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to & from New Jersey &
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In Reply to: [6]Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to & from
New Jersey & Brooklyn posted by Mike on November 03, 1997 at 21:30:06:
the only recent addiditions are the renamed x10/x11
and the Metro Tech SI to Bklyn Express
I would also be interested if anyone knows of any
other plans ..etc
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POSTER>David Pirmann - web site host
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Posted by David Pirmann - web site host on November 04, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT vs Sammy posted by Sammy on November 04, 1997
at 02:38:07:
Sammy,
I really think you should be directing your energies into something
like the Straphangars Campaign if you want to make a difference. I
don't think my web site is the place you should be waging your war.
-Dave Pirmann
web site host
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SUBJECT>Re: Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to & from New Jersey &
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In Reply to: [5]Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to & from
New Jersey & Brooklyn posted by Mike on November 03, 1997 at 21:30:06:
Mike, my understanding is that NYCT is not providing bus service
between Staten Island and New Jersey. What's happening is that some
express runs to Mid-Manhattan are making the trip via NJ while the
others travel through Brooklyn en route to Manhattan. I'm pretty sure
there are no stops in New Jersey.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 04, 1997 at 09:32:36:
In Reply to: [5]Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997 posted by chris on
November 03, 1997 at 20:51:39:
The Interboro Parkway was changed to Jackie Robinson Parkway.
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Posted by subman23 on November 04, 1997 at 10:00:37:
I really enjoy the ongoing battle between Steve (an informed transit
professional) and Sammy (a disgruntled subway rider).
While I feel that Sammy is a cronic complainer and definately has an
anti worker bias, occasionally he makes some good points.
Just like Steve, I am a dedicated transit manager. It is important for
our organization to get constructive criticism (Sammy: do try to keep
it constructive). The adage goes "A squeaky wheel gets oiled!".
So, let Sammy keep on griping. Steve, and others can take care of the
job of enlightening him. Maybe, we can even try to rectify a situation
when he has a legitimate gripe.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 04, 1997 at 13:05:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Atlantic Ave. station posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 03, 1997 at 12:40:23:
Derelict it still is.
IIRC, the only reason why it is still standing is that it was declared
a historic landmark. Whether or not it will be rehabilitated as part
of the Flatbush Terminal reconstruction, I don't know.
--Mark
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 04, 1997 at 13:41:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Joe-M on
November 03, 1997 at 23:25:10:
SAVE YOUR MONEY! Do NOT rent "Money Train" It now appears occasionally
on non-premium cable, and nothing is exactly what it is worth; it
stinks!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 04, 1997 at 13:55:16:
In Reply to: [5]You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train -
sooner than you think) posted by Mark S Feinman on November 03, 1997
at 13:29:50:
I've enjoyed the fun with "Take a P", but why wait so long when we
have had #1 and #2 to giggle about for decades?
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Posted by Nick on November 04, 1997 at 14:22:15:
After being in GCT on Sunday, I noticed the new departure board was
finally installed. It's not as high up, so you won't have to look up
very high. Also, it's digital, and there's plenty of room in the
"remarks" section, so when there's a problem, commuters will finally
(hopefully) be informed of whats going on. However, there are a few
disadvantages (in my opinion). The board is has only 4 or 5 coloumns
high, which means only a few trains will be posted at one time,
instead of 10 to 15. There is also no arrival board-at least not yet.
The departure board is both above the ticket windows (which are being
renovated) and in the old spot-to the right of where the ticket
windows. Does anybody know if an arrival board is going to be
installed? If so, where? Any other comments? -NICK
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 04, 1997 at 15:19:32:
In Reply to: [6]Electronic signs posted by Al on November 04, 1997 at
03:12:15:
If these are the signs I think they are, they've been installed along
the 7 from Queens Plaza to Main St. The usually have the date and time
on them, but the ultimate plan is for them to tell you the arrival of
the next train, delay updates, sports scores,etc...
-Hank
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to &
from New Jersey & Brooklyn posted by Wayne Johnson on November 04,
1997 at 09:30:42:
NYCT doesn't, but Boulevard TransitLines (Drogin Bus Service) has 3
routes that go from Staten Island to Bayonne and Jersey City. The 122
and 144 run express to Jersey City, and a route I believe the 55S runs
to downtown Bayonne.
-Hank
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to &
from New Jersey & Brooklyn posted by steve on November 04, 1997 at
07:41:34:
The Metrotech routes are run by Acadamy, the trip is $4.50 each way.
They renumbered the x10 branch to Travis x11.
-Hank
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 04, 1997 at 15:36:30:
Has anyone seen those new fancy bus stop signs that are popping up all
over the city? Anyone know what their cost is, in comparison to the
original signs?
On Staten Island, They've been installing them along the 59 and 55/56
routes. They're wrong. On the Northbound side of Richmond Ave@
Rockland, they have the s44 going to the Ferry (right) the s59 to Port
Richmond (right) and the s94 (thelimited version of the s44) going to
the SI Mall, which is the Southern Terminus.
At Richmond @ Victory Blvd, they have signs on both sides of the
intersection. The Northbound side has the x17 to Hugenot/Staten Island
(it is on it's way to Manhattan) and the 44 and 94 to the mall (they
are bound for the ferry) The Southbound sign Has the 44 gong to the
mall, and the 94 to the Ferry, and the 59 to tottenville, when it's
main terminus is Eltingville!
-Hank
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 04, 1997 at 16:42:41:
In Reply to: [5]Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997 posted by chris on
November 03, 1997 at 20:51:39:
If anyone has this Street Name changing info, please post it here, as
I as well as others would be interested. I can't believe they changed
Stone! This screws up the ancient Brooklyn gag line of " Did you hear
about the man who was walking down Pitkin avenue and turned into
Stone?" "Turned into Mother Gaston" just doesn't get the same
reaction.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on November 04, 1997 at 17:26:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Electronic signs posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 04, 1997 at 15:19:32:
The signs that Hank are referring to are already up and working (at
least to my knowledge) on the Queens Blvd line from Elmhurst Avenue to
179 Street. Most of the time it shows the time and the date. Every now
and then you hear a woman's voice saying this, "Ladies and Gentelmen-
We want to provide our customers with service that is safe and on
time. Please do not hold train doors open." While this is being said,
it is also shown on the electronic display.
Then the electronic display also displays information about the
closing of the Madison Ave Exit of the 5th Avenue station, don't give
money to panhandlers and a few other things. During the last few
weekends when the R wasn't running in Queens, it displayed messages
telling us to use the E and F lines.
Overall, it is very good system. What I like the most is that the PA
system is actually audible.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on November 04, 1997 at 17:35:27:
In Reply to: [5]New Bus Stop Signs posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 04, 1997 at 15:36:30:
According to what I saw and heard on the news, the new signs are
cheaper because they are plastic. The old signs were made of aluminum
and were not maounted as high, which lead people to steal them and
scrapped them for cash.
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on November 04, 1997 at 17:37:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Bus Stop Signs posted by David L. on November
04, 1997 at 17:35:27:
I noticed them this past weekend. They look nicer than the older ones.
Since it sounds like they cost less, and are up higher so they won't
get stolen, I think the city made a good purchase!
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Posted by Costa on November 04, 1997 at 17:56:32:
I noticed most of the SIRR stations have no canopy. If it rains people
will get wet. When are the canopys going to be reinstalled? Howcome
the SIRR doesn't stop at any major places? ex:Staten Island Mall
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Posted by Costa on November 04, 1997 at 17:59:59:
I noticed most of the SIRR stations have no canopy. If it rains people
will get wet. When are the canopys going to be reinstalled? Howcome
the SIRR doesn't stop at any major places? ex:Staten Island Mall
I also noticed that most communter trains have 2 air gauges on the
operator's panel. Why is this needed?
Does anyone know what the gauge on the new city buses label "Axle Air
Pressure" is for?
Did anyone noticed that in the new city buses, two seats in the back
bench
has been removed, replaced with a metal cover. Why did they do this?
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Posted by John on November 04, 1997 at 18:03:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Bus Stop Signs posted by Nick on November 04,
1997 at 17:37:54:
For a change!!!!! Yes, I think they look very attractive.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to &
from New Jersey & Brooklyn posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 04,
1997 at 15:22:39:
Interesting -- I never knew this existed. Where exactly do the #'s 122
and 144 run? What are the terminals? Fare? Frequency of service? Any
information would be GREATLY appreciated, I was trying desperately to
find out any information on this subject.
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Posted by John on November 04, 1997 at 18:13:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Mystery tunnel - Money Train posted by Gary Jacobi
on November 04, 1997 at 13:41:30:
Well, not exactly nothing. I would pay a few bucks just to see
Jennifer Lopez . . . !! :-)
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on November 04, 1997 at 18:15:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train -
sooner than you think) posted by Gary Jacobi on November 04, 1997 at
13:55:16:
I don't know about the 1 and 2, but there is the #6 and 9. :-)
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Posted by Adam on November 04, 1997 at 18:27:00:
What does everybody think about all of these proposals recently to
link LaGuardia and Kennedy Airports with the subway system? I'm
actually pretty confused what they are doing right now. It seems that
they want to use the old LIRR tracks to link Kennedy Airport to some
place in Jamaica where people would have to switch trains. And with
LaGuardia, they are proposing some kind of monorail or something. I
think these proposals are too complicated and too expensive.
My idea is very simple: Connect the N train to LaGuardia airport, a
very easy venture as it can be run along the side of the Grand Central
Parkway as long as the city will grant a right of way to the MTA. With
regard to Kennedy, use old tracks that actually exist and build a spur
off of the A line to connect with the airport. A special airport train
can be run between the two airports, charging a little more than
normal fare ($2.00) in order to cover the costs of the construction.
This is a lot more simpler than the proposed plans, will cost much
less, and would avoid having riders switch trains to get from one
airport to the next.
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Posted by Shunya on November 04, 1997 at 18:30:50:
I do agree, this line is SLOW. I was on it a couple of days ago and it
takes forever!! if the MTA want people to rely on that, they're gonna
have to make somesort of express train, or at least make the J or Z go
express from myrtle ave. to B'way Junction. but still it would be way
too slow. why don't they use that "elevated" express line that's over
part of the alabama av. station and extend that to cresent st. costly,
noisy but still time is what most commuters care for.....
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 04, 1997 at 19:34:16:
In Reply to: [6]Subway-Airport Link posted by Adam on November 04,
1997 at 18:27:00:
Sorry to say, but the whole notion of connecting the airports is the
stupidest proposal I've seen. If you bother to review the airport
connections in place in the US, you will see that very few travellers
use them, mostly because they are subway lines. Workers yes,
passengers no. There is no reason to believe that new York will be any
different than Chicago, Atlanta, Cleveland, and Boston in this regard.
The only mass transit connection with any decent ridership is in
Washington, and that is because the system is perceived as decent and
useful. More to the point, what is the use of connecting JFK and
LaGuardia? Most airport traffic is to the suburbs or to midtown or
downtown - those should be the destinations sought.
The way to go as far as connecting the airports with a rail system is
to run the LIRR and Metro-North and NJT directly to them. As Adam
mentions, the Rockaway branch ROW goes right by Kennedy, while
LaGuardia is not too far from the Port Washington and the Hells Gate
routes. I'd suggest these connections, as this would allow direct link
up with the commuter roads, and also Amtrak (as is being done at
Newark, and like the Europeans do - at Gatwick, Frankfurt, Munich,
Amsterdam, etc.).
Andy
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Posted by Scruffy on November 04, 1997 at 19:41:34:
In Reply to: [6]SIRR stations posted by Costa on November 04, 1997 at
17:59:59:
I don't know why SIRR was never built to the SI mall... All the work
consist of operating along the coastal areas of Staten Island... My
guess is that some of inner SI is hilly... But, it still doesn't make
sense...
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Add new NYCT bus service on Staten Island to &
from New Jersey & Brooklyn posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 04,
1997 at 15:22:39:
Boulevard Transit (Drogin Bus Co.) went out of business... The bus
service is now operated by Trans-Hudson Express Co... Because of this,
by year's end, there could be no bus service from Jersey to SI...
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on November 04, 1997 at 20:35:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Keeping the Riders Informed (was Steve, etc.)
posted by Bobw on October 30, 1997 at 17:27:27:
Saw a United Airlines ad yeaterday where they had a bunch of gte
agents rport for a meeting and after a long time no one showed up to
have a meeting and they started to get mad about what was going on.
Finally the supervisor showed up and said see thatw what the customers
feel like.
Should be part of customer service training everywhere.
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Posted by Joe M on November 04, 1997 at 20:37:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Keeping the Riders Informed (was Steve, etc.)
posted by Bobw on October 30, 1997 at 17:27:27:
Saw a United Airlines ad yesterday where a group of gate agents report
for a meeting. After a long time no one showed up to begin the meeting
and they started to get mad about what was going on. Finally the
supervisor showed up and said "See!! Thats how the customers feel when
we don't tell them whats going on.
Should be part of customer service training everywhere.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by subway-buff on November 01, 1997
at 04:37:35:
London Underground is planning to phase in automation as well,
once moving block systems are installed. BART trains use a human on
board though, don't they? I know Kuala Lumpur's new system will take
over the title of the worlds longest fully automated system from
vancouver when it goes on line; but will be reclaimed when we get 3
more lines in the next ten years *evil laugh*. Actually, I was
impressed with BART, when it worked, that is...
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on November 04, 1997 at 21:31:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Andrew Byler on
November 04, 1997 at 19:34:16:
Sorry to burst any bubbles - but linking either airports with the Port
Washington line isn't going to do much besides give out of towners a
ride on one of the LIRR's beautiful M-1s ;) The Port Washington line
doesn't go through Jamaica, which makes it useless for any routing out
onto the island. Unless you turn the Port Washington line ouit toward
Jamacia where it meets up at Woodside. And Metro-North going accross
the Hell's gate won't happen partly because a) Slamtrak owns that
trackage, and b) it's 25 cycle anyway. I don't think the M-4s or 6s
can run on 25 cycle AC, although the 2s should be able to. By the time
you go through all the red tape, all the ROW improvements, and all the
new trackage, it's just not worth it...
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Posted by Nathan on November 04, 1997 at 21:35:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed systems posted by Philip Nasadowski on
October 31, 1997 at 20:43:45:
Yeah, that was American Flyer. I think everyone should give the train
a chance, it is certainly not being done the cheap way. I still have
to be optimistic and I think that American Flyer will finally bring
slAmtrak
some recognition: It's about time North America hopped on the High
speed
bandwagon, one only has to look at the success of Eurostar and the
Frog trains (TGV) to see this...
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 04, 1997 at 21:50:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR stations posted by Scruffy on November 04,
1997 at 19:41:34:
The SI mall was built many decades after the SIRT. By the time it was
built, cars had become the transportation mode of choice, so extending
the SIRT probably wasn't on anyone's mind.
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Posted by John on November 04, 1997 at 22:02:11:
Does anybody have any information about a bus operating between
Journal Square and the Port Authority? All I know is that the bus has
a dark blue band on the side of it. What is tha fare, frequency of
service, etc?????
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Posted by Steve on November 05, 1997 at 00:26:40:
In Reply to: [6]63rd Street tunnel extension posted by Albert on
November 04, 1997 at 03:14:00:
Right now it's scheduled to open in 2001.
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Posted by chris on November 05, 1997 at 00:31:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997 posted by Wayne
Johnson on November 04, 1997 at 09:32:36:
do you know of any others,,in the 5 boros,,besides'the interboro
parkway
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 05, 1997 at 00:52:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Bus Stop Signs posted by John on November 04,
1997 at 18:03:11:
The signs are made of recycabled materials. They are copyied from
European bus stop signs, to help tourists and the such. One blunder
that I have noticed in the recent installations is on Convent Av and
130 St. in West Harlem. The stop says B63 to 4 Av in brooklyn and only
the M18 stops there, going to 110St. and 5 Av!
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 05, 1997 at 00:58:25:
In Reply to: [6]Subway-Airport Link posted by Adam on November 04,
1997 at 18:27:00:
Myself being a trolley and light rail buff, I really do like the idea,
granted if it is done right the first time. Right now it is too
watered down and gimicky for me. Of course with so much polictics
involved and different agencys including Federal money including those
who dont want anything associated with Mass trnaist running in there
back yards, we probably will never see any new form of Mass transit
ever.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 05, 1997 at 01:15:14:
In Reply to: [6]SIRR stations posted by Costa on November 04, 1997 at
17:59:59:
Concerning the Axle air pressure guage, only the Orions have this
label on there guages. The guage only measures air pressure as any
other buses gauge's does and is not any different from the RTS's,
etc.As far as the newer Orions having those handle bars on the back
seat in the middle that is a good question. Many times groups of
operators in discussion have not figured what it is for. My guess is
that its a deterrent for the operators to use the bench as a bed on
late night runs when it gets a little slow and you get sleepy! Subway
air guages two needles represent one for straight air pressure and
brake pipe pressure, but perhaps one of the subway car experts can
answer that one.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 05, 1997 at 07:56:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Bus Stop Signs posted by Fernando Perez on
November 05, 1997 at 00:52:09:
Any chance of posting some pictures of those new signs on this site,
for the benefit of those of us who are geographically challenged?
Thanks, as always for your efforts.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 05, 1997 at 07:57:59:
In Reply to: [5]GCT DEPARTURE BOARD INSTALLED posted by Nick on
November 04, 1997 at 14:22:15:
Anyone know what happened to the components of the old board???
Probably some interesting readings on there...
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Posted by chris on November 05, 1997 at 08:36:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Bus Stop Signs(To David Pirmann) posted by
Charles Fiori on November 05, 1997 at 07:56:40:
I would like to see the new signs,,I am stuck here in Mass tilll
December ,for the last 18 mos
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 05, 1997 at 09:35:23:
In Reply to: [5]SIRR stations posted by Costa on November 04, 1997 at
17:59:59:
The buses you're referring to with a missing seat in the back are the
Orion V buses. The middle seat has been eliminated for a total of four
instead of the usual five across. This has been done on all newest
(1995, 1996) Orion V buses that are equipped with the Detroit Diesel
Series 50 (4 cylinder) engine. The fleet numbers are
292-297,299,300,400-580 & 620-680. The first group of Orion V's (1993)
bought by NYCT were equipped with the older Detroit Diesel 6V92 (6
cylinder) engine and they have all five seats across in the back. The
fleet numbers for this group are 101-291,298,301-316. I don't know for
sure, but I suspect the reason for this missing back seat on the newer
Orions is directly related to the Series 50-4 cylinder engine in these
buses. I think the new engine requires more room as it's longer due to
it's in-line (rather than V) design. Also Westchester County's Bee
Line also has about 110 (1996) Orion V's with the series 50 engine and
they also have the bars in place of the middle back seat.
Also Prevost, the Canadian amnufacturer of the popular H-series over
the road coaches actually extended their 40 foot model by a foot in
oeder to provide enough clearance for the Series 60 engine, which is
essentially the same as the Series 50, but it's a 6 cylinder version.
That is it's a in-line 6, not a V-6. So now their old 40 foot model
the H3-40 is now the H3-41 which is 41 feet long. I realized I rambled
on here, but I hope this is a clear explanation.
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 05, 1997 at 10:01:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Bus Stop Signs(To David Pirmann) posted by
Charles Fiori on November 05, 1997 at 07:56:40:
Well, this is not primarily a bus site, and personally I have little
interest, so I won't be going out to get any pics of bus signs any
time soon, but if someone wants to send some along I'll find a place
for them.
-Dave
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Posted by Staten Islander on November 05, 1997 at 10:38:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: SIRR stations posted by Peter Rosa on November 04,
1997 at 21:50:11:
The Staten Island Mall/Pergament Shopping Center Was an airport way
back when the SIRT was all running at Grade. You have to remember one
of the great preWWII projects (WPS) was to get rid of all the grade
crossings on the SIRT and sink the New Dorp/Grant City stations into
an open cut.
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Posted by Lou on November 05, 1997 at 10:42:09:
In Reply to: [5]New Bus Stop Signs posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 04, 1997 at 15:36:30:
Okay I like the new signs, thicker pole and higher up but at my stop
at Bay Parkway and Bath Ave there is a new sign for the B82 and B6 but
the old one with the schedule is GONE.
Isn't there anyway they can get the new sign and keep the old info box
with the schedule info/route map???
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POSTER>Bill from S.I.
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Posted by Bill from S.I. on November 05, 1997 at 10:43:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Scruffy on November 02, 1997 at 17:58:34:
The staircases are not covered up. They are behind thoes stainless
steel doors on the upper level, they are in bad shape.
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Posted by Lou on November 05, 1997 at 10:46:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Electronic signs posted by David L. on November
04, 1997 at 17:26:03:
The one at Queens Plaza Manhattan bound platform has as of yesterday,
yet to work. They just got the cameras hung on the E/F track but still
haven't put in the monitors. Maybe the electrical wireing isn't
complete (Queens Bound cameras and monitors working on both tracks) on
that side.
Just an idea
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Posted by Lou on November 05, 1997 at 10:51:50:
In Reply to: [5]NO STRIKE--NO TROUBLES posted by John on November 02,
1997 at 22:18:58:
Well I guess that means no P train or "Transfer for a P agianst the
wall"...
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POSTER>Bill from S.I.
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Posted by Bill from S.I. on November 05, 1997 at 11:00:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Atlantic Ave. station posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 03, 1997 at 12:40:23:
If what you saw was a little white building in a triangle at 4th ave.,
Flatbush ave. and Atlantic Ave. this use to be one of the entrances to
the IRT subway. It's been closed up for a long time and from that I
heard it is a landmark.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 05, 1997 at 12:06:17:
Just happened to stumble on this tidbit in our agency's briefing
material...
STATEN ISLAND RAILROAD
In 1996, $4.7 million of Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality
Improvement (CMAQ) program funds were obligated to help reactivate the
Staten Island Railroad between New Jersey and Howland Hook Marine
Terminal by rehabilitating the Arthur Kill rail bridge and restoring
the Arlington spur. The revitalized rail line will extend direct rail
freight access to a major intermodal facility in New York City,
support the movement of maritime containers in and out of the Howland
Hook facility, and transport an estimated 105 rail cars per week from
a new recycling plant next to the Arlington spur. The second phase
using an additional $2million of CMAQ funds will involve the purchase
of a new float bridge at the Howland Hook Marine Terminal.
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Posted by sdc on November 05, 1997 at 12:08:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997 posted by chris on
November 05, 1997 at 00:31:22:
try Malcolm X Blvd in 2 boros and Fredrik Douglass bblvd in manhattan
and martin luther King whatever in Manhattan. , any others?
Foti
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Posted by sdc on November 05, 1997 at 12:15:27:
In Reply to: [6]Restore 6th Av-Broadway/Brooklyn service posted by
Michael on November 02, 1997 at 16:21:30:
speaking of restoring things how is the manhattan bridge working
proceeding, when are we going to have the Sea Beach Express back
online?
foti
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SUBJECT>Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers offer fast and safe
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Nathan on November 04, 1997 at
21:30:36:
The "operator" in BART trains closes the doors and presses a button to
inform the train that the doors are closed and that it can proceed.
Washington DC and even Singapore's MRT operate similarly.
--Mark
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Posted by Albert on November 05, 1997 at 15:02:31:
Can anyone tell me what is the story behind the "orange bricks" at the
49th Street station on the N/R line. This is probably unique in terms
of coloring. Don't get me wrong I don'tfind anything wrong with this
design. Even the platform is different from the others, Just curious
as to why was this design put into place.
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Posted by Albert on November 05, 1997 at 15:13:56:
When the local train, N or R train that is, leaves the 57th St staion
going towards Queens, I notice that the express tracks go up. Where do
they go? I know they cannot go to far up or else they would reach the
street level, and then end up in Central Park. Do they turn right and
somehow hook up with the 63rd street tunnel or do they just stop just
after they rise up? If they do somehow link up with the Q line then
when the tunnel extension is complete the R train can folow that
route, giving us two R train routes into Queens.
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Posted by Albert on November 05, 1997 at 15:28:09:
About 10 years I was with my family, going into Brooklyn one night. In
one of the tunnels in Brooklyn, my bother and I, noticed something
very nice. The side of the tunnel all of a sudden lit up with bright
colorful images of fruit bowls or something to that matter. It was
such a long time ago that I'm not even sure if it was actually in
Brooklyn or going towards it from Manhattan. But I know it was
Brooklyn or near it because I remember our parents saying that we're
going to Bklyn. Is this "movie in the tunnel" still there? Where is it
exactly? Someone once told me back in my high school days that it was
an old subway station that used to have a theatre on top (street
level) and that you were able to go directly from the theatre to the
subway down below, but the theatre had burned down. Is this also true?
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Posted by John on November 05, 1997 at 15:33:20:
In Reply to: [5]57th Street Station posted by Albert on November 05,
1997 at 15:13:56:
Those tracks do indeed connect with the 63rd Street line, and in fact,
the Q used those tracks back in the summer of 1995 when it was
rerouted onto Broadway because of Manhattan Bridge construction.
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Posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997 at 15:38:55:
In Reply to: [5]"Movie" in Tunnel posted by Albert on November 05,
1997 at 15:28:09:
I think that I know what you are talking about. After DeKalb Ave, when
heading towards manhatten, there is an abandoned station called Myrtle
Ave. that was closed some time ago. On that platform they had some
sort of artwork visible through slits in a wall that resembled an
animated movie except that the train was moving and not the artwork. I
moved from New York in 1989 and I remember that part well. I don't
know if the artwork is still there, since I haven't been there since
1993. A good way to learn about these things and a whole lot of other
things is to check out the subway maps and the track maps on this
site. In the transfer station there is a game called Bahn which
simulates subway systems. It is really cool because there are subway
division maps that people have made for the game. You should check it
out.
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Posted by John on November 05, 1997 at 15:40:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Buses (Orions) with 1 less back seat posted by
Wayne Johnson on November 05, 1997 at 09:35:23:
Isn't that the seat that also gets pretty hot? Maybe the REAL reason
they removed it is so that nobody gets burned in the boooo-teeeee :-)
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Posted by Al on November 05, 1997 at 15:44:06:
Wasn't there an entrance to Gimbels or Alexander's department store on
the platform of 6 train (59th Street Station)?
When will they complete the renovation at the 14th St-Union Square
Station?
I'm tired of seeing those blue wooden walls? Also I've noticed they
have stopped announcing that warning at this station, "Please stand
clear of the moving platform when....!, where the 4,5,6 stop. Why so?
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Posted by Albert on November 05, 1997 at 15:49:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 57th Street Station posted by John on November 05,
1997 at 15:33:20:
Thank you John for the quick response.
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Posted by Albert on November 05, 1997 at 15:59:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 63rd Street tunnel extension posted by Steve on
November 05, 1997 at 00:26:40:
Thanks for the info, Steve.
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Posted by Albert on November 05, 1997 at 16:03:53:
In Reply to: [5]Re: "Movie" in Tunnel posted by RAC93 on November 05,
1997 at 15:38:55:
Thank you RAC93
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Posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997 at 16:17:54:
In Reply to: [5]A personal message to "Sammy" posted by Steve on
October 29, 1997 at 00:23:20:
I can understand where both of you are coming from. One thing that I
can suggest is maybe to exchange E-mail addresses or something so that
your "personal" messages stay that way. There are hundreds (maybe
thousands) of people who check this website every couple of days and I
personally don't think that a back and forth argument like the one
posted above does not belong here. This is subTALK, not sub argue...
Sorry if it sounds offensive. ( :-< )
RAC93
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SUBJECT>Re: You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train - sooner than you think)
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Posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997 at 16:23:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train -
sooner than you think) posted by John on November 04, 1997 at
18:15:29:
Gee, I would have been funny if there was a local train following that
route back in the 70's (a PP)!!
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Posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997 at 16:35:18:
Damn! Sounds like a Family Feud to me... I think you guys really need
a more private way to communicate with each other. I don't think that
too many other "readers" to this site are interested about your
on-going debate... Please do not mis-understand me, I am not trying to
be disrespectful to either of you but this is an open forum you
know...
I personally don't mind the expression of opinion, but with you guys
it feels like a played out, on-going saga. It's obvious that you both
are well educated individuals with excellent experience within your
respective backgrounds.
RAC93
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Posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997 at 16:37:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: "Movie" in Tunnel posted by Albert on November 05,
1997 at 16:03:53:
No Problem, glad I could help...
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SUBJECT>Recent spate of duplicate postings
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on November 05, 1997 at
Hello,
I just went thru and removed about 15 duplicate postings (i.e. same
exact message posted within a few seconds of each other). People, I
realize the server (and the web) is slow as, well, slow. Once you hit
Post Message, please don't hit it again. Please be patient until you
get the posting confirmation screen.
If you think it REALLY isn't working, open a second browser window and
use the view by date screen
([6]http://www.nycsubway.org/cgi-bin/wbdate.pl) to see if your message
is there or not. It might have been posted but confirmation never made
it back to you.
The delays are only compounded when the server has to deal with
multiple submissions.
-Dave
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: Stations
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Posted by subway-buff on November 05, 1997 at 17:22:53:
In Reply to: [6]Stations posted by Al on November 05, 1997 at
15:44:06:
The store at 59 and Lex was Alexanders. The entrance is gone as is the
store. Speaking of entrances, there also usedf to be an underpass
between Manhattan and Brooklyn Trains at Hoyt Street IRT and also to
the store now known as Macy's.
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SUBJECT>Re: Stations: underground brooklyn department store history.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 05, 1997 at 18:19:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Stations posted by subway-buff on November 05,
1997 at 17:22:53:
You want to talk about the way it WAS, then you have to mention that
when the Fulton St. IRT subway opened, the stores were Loziers and
Nams, and had display windows opening on the subway mezzanine level.
They were out of business by the 40's, and Abraham and Strauss was the
high end replacement, which I am guessing has been gobbled up by
Macy's.
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SUBJECT>Re: "Movie" in Tunnel
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 05, 1997 at 18:24:29:
In Reply to: [5]"Movie" in Tunnel posted by Albert on November 05,
1997 at 15:28:09:
RAC93 is correct, and I might add that I have read that the display
has fallen into disrepair, and is no longer visible as a moving image.
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POSTER>Scruffy
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Posted by Scruffy on November 05, 1997 at 19:24:33:
In Reply to: [6]Recent spate of duplicate postings posted by David
Pirmann - Web Site Host on November 05, 1997 at 16:41:08:
Well said!
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POSTER>David L.
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SUBJECT>Re: New Bus Stop Signs WHERE SCHEDULE??
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Posted by David L. on November 05, 1997 at 19:28:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Bus Stop Signs WHERE SCHEDULE?? posted by Lou
on November 05, 1997 at 10:42:09:
They will eventually put up the the schedules. Right now they are
still working on it.
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Posted by Scruffy on November 05, 1997 at 19:35:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "Movie" in Tunnel posted by RAC93 on November 05,
1997 at 15:38:55:
Just to give you a little update, that beautiful artwork has been
ruined by grafitti... Now, when you pass by, it is unlit... With the
light from the train, you can see that it has been vandalized...
Hopefully, with some recent talk about re-opening the Myrtle Avenue
station there, you may get the artwork back...
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POSTER>Shunya
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SUBJECT>Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Shunya on November 05, 1997 at 19:35:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Bill from S.I. on November 05, 1997 at 10:43:50:
I agree. I have to take the IND F line to my favorite hobby shop and
The line is terriblly slow. This is what they(TA) should do.
1. make the F run express in brooklyn from Bergen st. to church ave.
2. Make the G terminate at church ave. so they have some use of the
relay tracks.
This I think would simplify operation in Brooklyn , and passengers who
take the G at late nights won't be scared to death at smith 9st. which
i heard has the most killings.....
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Posted by David L. on November 05, 1997 at 19:35:53:
In Reply to: [5]Re: "Movie" in Tunnel posted by RAC93 on November 05,
1997 at 15:38:55:
It's sad to say, but that artwork has been long gone due to vandalism.
For a while it remained lit with grafitti on it, but sometime last
year or the year before the lights were shut off, and now you don't
see anything.
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SUBJECT>Re: You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train - sooner than you think)
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Posted by Shunya on November 05, 1997 at 19:40:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train -
sooner than you think) posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997 at
16:23:11:
I saw the P train at brighton beach once, it was mad wierd, the P was
in a white circle with no Via line, and it's destionation signs were
like times sq. to ditmas or something... i was suprised
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Posted by Scruffy on November 05, 1997 at 19:41:22:
In Reply to: [6]Bus From Jersey City to New York posted by John on
November 04, 1997 at 22:02:11:
The bus company is Trans-Hudson Express, Inc. (used to be Drogin Bus
Co.)... The fare for the bus is $2.60. I recommend using the Path
train (by taking the 33rd Street line)... This will leave you at 33rd
Street & 6th Avenue... If you want to walk, you can do so... If not,
take the N or R train 1 stop to Times Square, and it'll leave you a
block from the PA... Either way, you'll save money...
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Posted by Al on November 05, 1997 at 20:32:21:
I know that there have been several movies filmed in the subway. And
this question might be hard to answer. If anybody saw the movie
NIGHTHAWKS with Stallone, you may remember the subway scene where
Stallone gets slashed. But before that all happens there is that chase
scene where Stallone and the other cop are running after the
terrorist. They run through a construction site were you see workers
welding, hammering and fixing. If you remember this site was
underground and led to I believe was the 57th Street Station N/R line.
Can anyone tell me what this site was? Was it a subway construction
site that they happened to use for the movie, or was it just something
else? What were they building?
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Posted by subway-buff on November 05, 1997 at 20:54:29:
In Reply to: [6]49th Street Station posted by Albert on November 05,
1997 at 15:02:31:
the wall street 4/5 station is bright blue wall tile. They date back
to the 1970s "mall" mentality. I dont know when/if they will re-do
these stations, but now the NYCT is trying to have white walls in all
the stations to simplify cleaning--one set. Just recently they removed
the green from 59/lex express and have redone cortlandt BMT and Canal
BMT to remove to "new look" tiles in fgavor of the older :white style"
tiles. Floor treatment is also different at Franklin st IRT and I
think houston st IRT.
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SUBJECT>Lets bring Back the "Movie in a tunnel"
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Posted by Nick on November 05, 1997 at 21:33:47:
Wow....this "movie in a tunnel" sounds pretty cool....I wish I had
known about it before the lights were shut off, and before it was
vandalised. We should send some e-mail to the MTA requesting that the
lights be put back on, and maybe getting the grafitti removed. If the
MTA can spend money to get grafitti off subway cars, and spend money
on things like changing their logo (3 million $!), certainly they can
find the green to restore this important part of subway history.-NICK
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POSTER>Matt
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Posted by Matt on November 05, 1997 at 22:31:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link (long) posted by Philip
Nasadowski on November 04, 1997 at 21:31:26:
The link at Newark is not an example of a "good" connection. The
monorail should have been connected with Newark Penn Station so that
more connections could be made, like with PATH (and for many more
reasons). The JFK idea is great if (and only if) the subway is
"allowed" to operate directly into the airport. The LRS is being
designed with this in mind for the future. Hopefully, people will see
the benefits of a direct subway-airport connection.
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on November 05, 1997 at 22:41:37:
In Reply to: [6]49th Street Station posted by Albert on November 05,
1997 at 15:02:31:
From what I rememeber, 49th Street was a test bed for some type of
station sound-proofing. I think the ornge bricks were part of the
design.
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Posted by Mike on November 05, 1997 at 23:16:54:
I read recently that NYCT is looking at providing a third Brooklyn to
Staten Island bus service between the College Of Staten Island &
Brooklyn which was included in the College of Staten Island Park &
Ride lot as part of the recently completed Staten Island Transit Needs
Assessment Study. If you have any information about this new route,
please e-mail me.
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Posted by Mike on November 05, 1997 at 23:20:50:
If anyone has the Staten Island bus electronic desination reading list
for it's LOCAL routes for both Yukon & Castleton depots, please post
them. I would greatly appreciate it.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on November 05, 1997 at 23:37:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Matt on November 05,
1997 at 22:31:56:
When I arrive at Laguardia all I want to do is get into the City
The Carey bus works OK but a direct subway link would be much nicer. I
never take a cab to get from National to DC. I ride the train.
If I never see JFK it's OK with me
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Posted by Joe M on November 05, 1997 at 23:40:57:
In Reply to: [5]Lets bring Back the "Movie in a tunnel" posted by Nick
on November 05, 1997 at 21:33:47:
Will they let voluntees in to do it as an art in transit project?
There may be funds available. You would definatly need permission and
need to be safe when working at it. Get hooked up with an art group
and submit a proposal
Might work can't hurt.
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Posted by Joe M on November 05, 1997 at 23:42:50:
In Reply to: [5]Lets bring Back the "Movie in a tunnel" posted by Nick
on November 05, 1997 at 21:33:47:
Will they let voluntees in to do it as an art in transit project?
There may be funds available. You would definatly need permission and
need to be safe when working at it. Get hooked up with an art group
and submit a proposal
Might work can't hurt.
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Posted by Sammy on November 06, 1997 at 02:14:26:
Hi Everyone:
I appreciate all the responses I have received to my postings (that is
for both the negative and the positive responses). That you respond is
important to me, so everyone, thank you once again.
My bone of contention is very simple, and Im sure a lot of people can
see this. I think subway service is awful and can be improved. That's
what I want my tax dollars going to.
Here's a hypothetical situation. You go into, say, Saks knowing
exactly what you want. We'll say, for argument's sake, that its a
medium Ralph Lauren shirt in white. Standard issue, you can find it
anywhere. As you shop, you can't find your size. You have a gift
certificate you want to use in this case, and you approach a sales
person. The person is nasty as can be, decides to do you a favor and
check in the back. You are waiting and waiting. Finally, after asking
other sales folk about his/her whereabouts, he/she rudely tells you
she doesn't have your size. The options here are very simple. You can
(1) walk away and not do business with them (thus doing business
elsewhere but losing your certificate unless you want to use it at a
future time). (2) complain to management (which may or may not have an
effect) (3) settle for a size small in teal, which is not what you
wanted. Well, guess what. Most of you, by your responses, have picked
option (3). Now, am I supposed to throw my arms up and kiss the ground
because I have even limited subway service? No way. My tax dollars and
my votes count in this city. We are capable of so much more because we
are the greatest city in the world. We deserve to have a top-notch
transit system.
You have to ask yourself why demographics are as they are here in the
city. Very simple. When the poorer of the populace move here, they
move where mass transit is plentiful. Robert Moses killed the heart of
Brooklyn by eliminating subway service and not planning new projects.
It sent central brooklyn into decay. Well, folks, that's happening
again in Greenpoint, Wiliamsburgh and other neighborhoods. What good
is having G service anywhere if it runs nowhere and becomes really
underutilized? Then the MTA will point fingers, say "this isn't
working" and close the line down or truncate it further. How
incredibly stupid. But that's the MTA for you. Short sighted, yes
indeed.
Looking at the 63rd St. project, is it really needed? Yes and no. The
Queens lines are over burdened, but closing down G service to allow Q
service without a legitimate plan to upgrade/improve G service is
robbing Greenpoint blind. The second avenue subway is vital and
important to the continued economic success of the city. Ill take that
over a new ball park any day (yes, I am a diehard Jets and Mets fan).
Airport links? Why link Kennedy and LaGuardia other than to fatten
someone's pockets? Most traffic leads away from airports to the city
or suburbs. If the old LIRR spur is used for that purpose, then we'll
talk.
It all starts with people, at both the MTA and the unions. God forbid
a token booth clerk should pick up a phone and ask what's going on if
he/she thinks a train is delayed. God forbid that the passengers, the
fare payers should be informed when delays happen. Look, delays will
happen, but we need to be informed so we can make alternate plans.
That's consideration!
As I said it all starts with people and until I see improvement in
service in this direction, I will use this as a public forum. It all
starts with information and this is my intention. I will not settle
when I know we are capable of so much more.
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Posted by Nathan on November 06, 1997 at 02:21:09:
In Reply to: [6]An Open Letter posted by Sammy on November 06, 1997 at
02:14:26:
All governments work the same way, and they're all anti-rail...
(I'm reminded of the 1990 VIA Cutbacks, closing a popular and
needed transcontinental route with 15 weekly trains, to have it
reinstated
2 years later (popular demand) but with only 3 instead of 15
trains...because the government favoured the airlines...grrrr)
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Mark S Feinman on November 05,
1997 at 12:43:50:
yeah, the no-brainer door closing... I think that is how they
work Toronto's SRT, Unions wouldn't go for full automation...
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on November 06, 1997 at 02:27:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: You Can't Take a P At All (Re: Take the P train -
sooner than you think) posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997 at
16:23:11:
Oh dear, I can see it now...
"Take a #6, then a #9, after that you can take a #2 (only if you feel
like it) or you could just take a P. :)
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 06, 1997 at 03:55:45:
In Reply to: [6]A third bus service between Brooklyn & Staten Island
posted by Mike on November 05, 1997 at 23:16:54:
They are actually studying adding a service to the SI Mall from Bklyn
via CSI (s65 service) Would follow the 53 from Brooklyn to Victory
Blvd, and then down Victory to CSI, Richmond Ave, and the Mall. The
Transit Needs study provides for a lot at the unused overpasses in
Sunnyside, near the former CSI Campus, with a dedicated express bus
service to Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 06, 1997 at 04:03:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR stations posted by Scruffy on November 04,
1997 at 19:41:34:
The entire line was built prior to WWI. There was no mall. (1968) In
fact, the area where the mall is now, and several other shopping
centers and some city parkland, used to be a Drive-in theater,
airport, and marina.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 06, 1997 at 04:09:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR stations posted by Staten Islander on
November 05, 1997 at 10:38:25:
The Grade Crossing elimination on the SIR was done in several phases,
with the majorit of it done 1933-1939. Great Kills-Hugenot was done in
'39, there is a plaque at the eltingville station. Grant City-Oakwood
Heights and Bay Terrace were done in the 60's.
All the stations between Clifton and Pleasant Plains were rebuilt
since 1989, and had platforms extended and new canopys installed.
Stapleton and Tottenville still have the frame for the old canopy,
which has no roof. Tottenville has been rebuilt also. Tompkinsville is
about 2 bricks away from being condemened. Richmond Valley, Nassau,
and Atlantic stations were left out of the rebuid project, and the
Nassau and Atlantic stations are planned to be replaced with a single
station called 'Arthur Kill'. Atlantic may be the shortest High-level
platform in existence, -Hank
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Posted by chris on November 06, 1997 at 07:56:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: A third bus service between Brooklyn & Staten
Island posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 06, 1997 at 03:55:45:
are any other things being proposed,from this study
christof@webtv.net thank you
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 06, 1997 at 09:20:57:
In Reply to: [6]An Open Letter posted by Sammy on November 06, 1997 at
02:14:26:
Your points are well-taken, especially with respect to the G line
cutbacks and the airport service proposals. As far as the Saks analogy
is concerned, well, the real problem is that Saks faces competition
and the subway (by and large) doesn't. More than any other factor, the
system's deficiencies are attributable to the lack of competition.
Greedy unions, clueless management, meddlesome politicians, all of
these bear some of the blame. But the subway's effective monopoly on
mass transit in the city is the biggest cause by far. Trouble is, of
course, that urban mass transit is a "natural monopoly" - we can
hardly expect to see competing subways opening!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 06, 1997 at 11:15:55:
In Reply to: [5]An Open Letter posted by Sammy on November 06, 1997 at
02:14:26:
You are 100% right that we should not accept poor service quietly. The
folks who complain about your postings probably agree too, but differ
in their opinion as to where the postings should be sent. As far as I
am concerned, your postings are intelligent and literate; keep it up!
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 06, 1997 at 11:19:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: An Open Letter posted by Peter Rosa on November
06, 1997 at 09:20:57:
Remember, folks that when the city built the IND, its purpose was to
compete with and decimate the privately owned IRT and BMT. Back in
those days there was fierce competition among the subway operators.
The 8th Av IND line was a direct competitor with the IRT Broadway
line, 9th Av. el and the Jerome Line in the Bronx. Even though the 6th
Av. Subway never actually competed with the 6th Av. el, it did siphon
passengers from the IRT and BMT subway lines nearby. Likewise the
Fulton St. Subway competed with a BMT line almost directly overhead.
The IND offered better service, longer express runs and more modern
equipment. Only the crosstown line and the Queens Line sought
customers from new territory, and even then the Queens Line terminated
within a few blocks of the Jamaica el and offered passengers from that
area a far faster ride to Manhattan.
Many of the problems faced by the subway today are products of that
era. The loss of the east side els without any replacement is
responsible for excessive traffic on the east side IRT. Had the IND
been less competitive and more public minded when first built,
unification would have still happened, and the need to replace the els
with something else may have spurred a Second Avenue subway to
completion long ago. (along with a BMT line to North Queens). Its hard
to say "What if?", but anyone can see that the existing system still
competes with itself in some areas while leaving others untouched. The
G line has always been a poor stepsister to the rest of the system,
since it is the only major line that doesn't enter Manhattan.
Unfortunately, the best use for the 63rd St. tunnel may have been to
connect it to the G instead of the Queens Line, perhaps creating a
loop at Hoyt-Schermerhorn to provide something akin to London's Circle
Line.
Sammy, you need to be realistic about the transit system and its
relation to this forum. Please remember that the people who post here
are mostly those who have an interest in transit in the form of a
hobby. You can get us all angry with you or you can try coming up with
some positive ideas to improve the system. Just don't get upset if
someone with a good handle on the system shoots your idea down. Post
another idea, listen to others opinions, refine and repost. But please
don't just complain.
BTW if you really want to accomplish something, try running for local
office, either in City Hall or Albany, where you can be heard in a
true public forum, instead of just aggrevating a few transit buffs. I
am a very patient person, and I prefer to encourage than to get out
the flame thrower.
Gerry
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Posted by Nick on November 06, 1997 at 11:31:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: An Open Letter posted by Nathan on November 06,
1997 at 02:21:09:
I totally agree with you about the G line. I know what it is like to
miss the G and have to wait 20 minutes for the next one. The G isn't
the only problem, there certainly have been numerous cutbacks
throughout the system. What really ticks me off is that they cut back
on service 2 years ago when the fare was raised 25 cents. Now, lets
see here...Price goes up, and quality of service goes down. Could
there be something wrong with this?
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 06, 1997 at 11:36:32:
Hi Folks:
I was surprised that only one person responded to the Boston Quiz. He
scored a 61 on the freshman level and a 31 on the graduate level. Come
on now, I've seen enough posts about Boston on this site to know that
some of you can handle this. I'll post the answers after Veterans' Day
Just for fun let's see who knows the most about the Boston Subway
System. E-mail your answers to me and I will let you know your score.
If you score a passing grade, I will send you the GRADUATE LEVEL QUIZ.
It's got some really obscure trivia - have fun...
Gerry
(oregan@freud.mec.edu) or (oregan@stclare.mec.edu)
EASY BOSTON SUBWAY QUIZ
1. Name the system's deepest underground station.
2. Name the only Rapid Transit Station to and from which a double fare
is charged.
3. What do the Charlestown and Longfellow Bridges have in common?
4. What was Government Center Station was previously known as?
5. How could you get Charlie off the MTA?
6. What station has the longest distance between its northbound and
southbound platforms?
7. What historic building has a subway lobby in its basement?
8. In 1924 Patriots Day and Easter fell on the same weekend. What
major change happened on the Boston Elevated?
9. What do Cabot, Cadigan and Codman have in common?
10. What is the significance of 12:50 AM.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 06, 1997 at 12:06:36:
In Reply to: [5]Stations posted by Al on November 05, 1997 at
15:44:06:
Don't forget there was (is?, poss. closed for security reasons?) an
entrance to Bloomie's from the uptown 6 @ 59-Lex. [Haven't been for a
while, so don't remember.]
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 06, 1997 at 13:10:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations posted by subway-buff on November 05,
1997 at 17:22:53:
Was this entrance at platform level like the one at Hoyt St was or did
you have to traverse some steps? Isn't there an entrance into
Bloomingdales also around 59th St?
Also, was there a direct entrance into Gimbels when it was in Herald
Square? And wasn't there one around 14th St into Havemyers (I think I
have this spelled wrong; it was a store created by a John Havemyer
IIRC).
I was just discussing this with some folks at a train show in
Poughkeepsie, NY this past Sunday. Interesting that the same topic
just popped up here.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 06, 1997 at 13:15:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations posted by subway-buff on November 05,
1997 at 17:22:53:
Was this entrance at platform level like the one at Hoyt St was or did
you have to traverse some steps? Isn't there an entrance into
Bloomingdales also around 59th St?
Also, was there a direct entrance into Gimbels when it was in Herald
Square? And wasn't there one around 14th St into Havemyers (I think I
have this spelled wrong; it was a store created by a John Havemyer
IIRC).
I was just discussing this with some folks at a train show in
Poughkeepsie, NY this past Sunday. Interesting that the same topic
just popped up here.
--Mark
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In Reply to: [5]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Nathan on November 06, 1997 at
02:24:26:
WMATA had a funny (and potentially dangerous) automation incident
several years ago when an operator pressed the door close button and
then left the cab, leaving the train before the last door closed. The
train started, stopped at the next station, but since the operator was
not present, the doors did not open. The train paused, and then
restarted, proceeding to the next station where the process was
repeated. Finally, after 3 stops / starts a passenger picked the cab
door lock and pressed the emergency stop button, which finally stopped
the train. The operator was suspended, and the rule which says the
operator cannot leave the cab without deactiving the control was
reinforced.
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Posted by Al on November 06, 1997 at 13:56:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Stations posted by Charles Fiori on November 06,
1997 at 12:06:36:
Your'e right there was a entrance to Bloomingdale's where the 6 train
stops at 59th ST. I just got off the uptown 6 train at 59th St today
and did not notice the entrance to Bloomingdale's. I now know for a
fact it no longer exists because the store is longer there (I think).
One of the reasons why they may have closed the entrance was because
of security. I now rememeber reading an article in the paper about how
the gangs used to wait by the exit into the subway till they heard the
train coming then when they did hear the train coming the gang would
do a mad rush for the exit and grab whatever merchandise they can,
before jumping onto the train.
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Posted by Al on November 06, 1997 at 14:02:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Stations posted by Mark S Feinman on November 06,
1997 at 13:15:30:
Yes indeed it was at platform level. Wasn't to sure if was at this
station (59th St) until now. According to Charles it was a
Bloomingdale's entrance.
Closed for what what Charles think and me, now that I remember, for
security reasons.
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Posted by Albert on November 06, 1997 at 14:07:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 49th Street Station posted by Michael Berson on
November 05, 1997 at 22:41:37:
Thank you for the info. The sound-proofing to come to of, now comes
into my mind because I notice the ceiling above the tracks do look
like sound-proof ceilings. In addition I do find the 49th Street
Station rather quiet.
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does anyone have the readings for these additions
------format------
x11 reading number reading
thank you christof@webtv.net
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on November 06, 1997 at 18:24:15:
Finally found John H. Riley's book, "The Newark City Subway Lines."
Most comprehensive in most respects (especially the Cedar Street
Subway), but it provided almost no information about the
transformation of the old Morris Canal into the City Subway route. Can
anyone point me to a source of information for that? I've tried a web
search but came up empty.
Also, as the scholarship found here is unparalleled, I'll submit this
puzzler: If anyone who owns this book recognizes the location pictured
on the front cover, please clue me in, as it isn't explained inside.
All I know is it's somewhere on the Central Line.
Thanks for any help.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 06, 1997 at 19:40:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Matt on November 05,
1997 at 22:31:56:
As I tried to point out, there is not a single example of a sucessful
subway-airport link. Let's face it - very few people want to use such
a thing, as Subways are not congenial to baggage and are not perceived
as family friendly. Ideally, people might use them - more to the point
they do not. Very, very few travellers in Chicago, Cleveland, Atlanta,
or elsewhere use the Subway. 4% of the Philadelphia market uses the
train, and SEPTA is doing a very bad job at trying to capture the
market.
Further, in NYC, 11 million people live in the suburbs, while only 7
million live in the city. About 2 million of those in the city are too
poor to fly. By linking the airports only to the city using the
subway, the large suburban market is essentially being written off.
In reply to objections:
1) Voltage change to MN tracks. If Amtrak can do it, so can Metro
North. Simply because the M4's and 6's can't, doesn't mean new cars
can't be ordered that could. After all, a new service requires new
cars.
2) If the Subway cannot compete with taxicabs inside Manhattan for a
lot of travel now, there is no reason to believe that it will be
sucessful for hauling folks to the airport. On the other hand, how
many people take taxis from Babylon or Stamford to midtown compared to
auto traffic?
3) "Should've"'s regarding the Newark connection are pointless. It is
already being built, and will be served by the NJT NEC and Long Branch
trains directly. As far as the People-Mover goes, these are fine for
short distances, but are a bit of a drag for longer ones. A happy
medium has been reached by simply extending it to the tracks, as a
person can hop off the train and hop onto the people-mover. If PATH
had been extended (given the record of the Port Authority, an
impossiblilty), bunches of transfers would still have been required -
people mover to Path to train. Further, PATH has the undesirable
subway image which is shunned by most travellers.
4) Connecting LaGuardia to the Port Washington branch is not pointless
- it provides for service to midtown, the MN Hudson line, and New
Jersey. As to getting to Jamaica and beyond, there is that old Kissena
Corridor, nicely graded for rail service, plus some useful highway
medians .... we engineers can build all sorts of stuff in all sorts of
places.
5) Subway to JFK would be easily a 45 minute to an hour ride from
midtown, to say nothing of uptown. The train can halve that. And the
LIRR can be extended from its present terminus to downtown.
6) No subway plan takes into account the possibility of replacing air
flights with trains, as in Germany along the Rhine valley.
7) There are many sucessful examples of commuter and intercity rail
integrated with an airport. BWI and Philly come to mind in this
country, Gatwick (soon Heathrow also) in England. Frnakfurt, Munich,
Hamburg, Colonge, Dusseldorf, and the Rhur in Germany. Amsterdam in
Holland. Etc., etc.
Andy
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The New PA-5 is being developed for path. I do not knoe many of the
fetures
but the will have transverse cabs. Path aims at getting rid of its
conducters. I will inform you of the details as I get more info.
-Phil
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I would like to know on what year NJ Transit plans to restore
passenger rail service along the Susqehanna rail line.
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I would like to know what are the remaining alternatives that are
being looked at for rail passenger service along the West Shore line.
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I would like to know if NYCT or any Private Operaters plan to add more
bus service from Staten Island's South Shore on Staten Island & to
Manhattan & if so,what routes are being looked.
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Posted by steve on November 06, 1997 at 21:11:37:
In Reply to: [6]X11 and Q113LTD Destination Sign Readings posted by
chris on November 06, 1997 at 17:51:56:
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Posted by Steve on November 06, 1997 at 22:25:30:
In Reply to: [6]Subway in the Movies posted by Al on November 05, 1997
at 20:32:21:
The scene which you are describing was shot in the 63rd Street tunnel
around the 2nd Avenue cut (yes, there is a connection to the phantom
2nd Ave line) during the construction of the 63rd street line. In that
area, the tunnel divides with one leg going to the 6th Ave IND and the
other leg leading to the Broadway BMT line. Sylvester Stallone and
Billy Dee Williams chased the evil Wolfgar into the BMT. Oddly,
throughout the scene, the construction activities continued -
uninterrupted. And yes it was the 57th St./7th Ave station.
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Posted by Anthony Pardi on November 06, 1997 at 22:37:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations posted by Al on November 06, 1997 at
13:56:10:
Since the renovation of the Lexington ave 59th st station the entrance
to Bloomingdales has since been relocated alittle over 75 to one
hundred feet north of its original location on the uptown number 6
platform. does anyone remember the entrance into Alexanders at the
south end of the uptwon #6 plat?
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Posted by ANthony Pardi on November 06, 1997 at 22:41:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 57th Street Station posted by John on November 05,
1997 at 15:33:20:
the center tracks at 57 st north of the station connect to the 63rd st
line, which when needed due to service reroutes via 6th av or 7th av
due to Manhattan Br closings.
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Posted by Steve on November 06, 1997 at 22:45:00:
In Reply to: [6]For Steve & Sammy posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997
at 16:35:18:
Look, there is no family feud or feud of any kind. There is just a
genuine difference of opinions. I do not excuse poor service in the
private sector or the public sector. I was also not defending poor
service but rather trying to explain why things happen the way that
they do, in an area in which I am fortunate to have some expertise. I
was pleasantly suprised at the positive feedback I received. I am also
aware that there are those that have the attitude of, "Don't confuse
me with the facts. My mind is already made up." I have no interest in
religeous conversion (mine or others), therefore, I would perfer to
limit my involvement here to the honest discussion of legitimate
transit issues. I will not permit myself to be drawn into trivial
discussions involving the unrealistic. Please, let us drop the Sammy
vs Steve issue once and for all.
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Posted by Steve on November 06, 1997 at 22:45:18:
In Reply to: [6]For Steve & Sammy posted by RAC93 on November 05, 1997
at 16:35:18:
Look, there is no family feud or feud of any kind. There is just a
genuine difference of opinions. I do not excuse poor service in the
private sector or the public sector. I was also not defending poor
service but rather trying to explain why things happen the way that
they do, in an area in which I am fortunate to have some expertise. I
was pleasantly suprised at the positive feedback I received. I am also
aware that there are those that have the attitude of, "Don't confuse
me with the facts. My mind is already made up." I have no interest in
religeous conversion (mine or others), therefore, I would perfer to
limit my involvement here to the honest discussion of legitimate
transit issues. I will not permit myself to be drawn into trivial
discussions involving the unrealistic. Please, let us drop the Sammy
vs Steve issue once and for all.
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Posted by Anthony Pardi on November 06, 1997 at 22:45:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 49th Street Station posted by Albert on November
06, 1997 at 14:07:50:
from what I remember the 49st sta was a pilot prgam during the 70's
for future modernization projects which of course were canned due to
budget constraints. I agree even with a train occaisionally speeding
past on the express track the quietness of the station. We need more
stations as such
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Posted by Anthony PArdi on November 06, 1997 at 22:54:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Andrew Byler on
November 06, 1997 at 19:40:40:
why can't a subway connection be made at Howard beach into jfk? the
center two tracks leading into howard beach sta can lead to a flyover
elevated route to the airport. with stations at several parking lots
and a station with moving walkways into terminals ..
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Posted by ANthony Pardi on November 06, 1997 at 22:56:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Joe M on November
05, 1997 at 23:37:20:
how about an elevated connection with the N at ditmars blvd to La
Guardia. 20mins to midtown possible
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Posted by Anthony Pardi on November 06, 1997 at 23:03:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Shunya on November 05, 1997 at 19:35:24:
AT one time g service operated to Church ave. and there once was an F
express service. as anyone knows service was curtailed due to budget
problems. Now with the increase in ridership the highest since 1972 I
truly doubt we'll see express service ever returned. The lower level
at Bergen st isn't fit for human use no less an animal.
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offer fast and safe trains. posted by Dan Lawrence on November 06,
1997 at 13:36:11:
Gee automation on New york City subways NOT I'm sure no one has heard
of the headaches BART had when service started there. Doors opening on
there own mid station and train still running. At Fremont the train
decided not to stop at the last stop and ran through the bumper into
the parking lot.... Washington DC isn't exactly nirvana either. Yes in
theory automation COULD make train operation safer, we have an aging
subway system which needs to be brought into the 21st century but
autmation is not one of them. In a system(subway) which transports 3.5
million riders automation will take decades and cost billions not
millions to install. As far as cost savings in the not too distant
future there will be no Conductors in trains at certain hours and no
clerks on stations. You will have what Wash DC and SF/Oakland has a
machine to dispense your card. HIgh entrance turnstiles to enter the
system( Yeah you think people will pay at current turnstiles at un
attended stations, I have a bridge to sell you!). Oh yes we have crime
and a 24 hour system how will you get help.. something sounds fishy to
me
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on November 06, 1997 at 23:49:46:
Ok... there's this UL going around by me that basically goes like
this:
When the President stays in NYC, he almost always stays at the same
hotel (I think the Waldorff Astoria, or Plaza). The reason why, as
ledgend has it, is because there is an entrance to the subway through
the basement, that can be used in case of an "emergency" Variations
include that the hotel has a subway station in the basement, or that
it is close to an abandoned station and there is a passageway from the
hotel.
I think the Waldorff is above Metro North's GCT trackage, could this
be how this story got started???
Also, didn't Belmont have his own private car and siding on the IRT
when it was built?? I remember hearing about this (the car was
Mineola, I think) Does anyone have any info on this and what happened
to the car and siding???
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on November 07, 1997 at 00:15:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Andrew Byler on
November 06, 1997 at 19:40:40:
Please note that I'm not trying to start a flame war here -
intellegent disscussion of this issue can only lead to a solution that
suits everybody - and works.
>1) Voltage change to MN tracks. If Amtrak can do it, so can Metro
North.
It's not really a voltage change - its a *Frequency* change. There is
litterally a gap in catenary a few feet long. the power on the MN side
is roughly 13-14k 60 cycle. The Amtrak side is about 11-12k, but it's
25 cycle. It's not the voltage drop that's hard to deal with, it's the
fact that there is a change in frequency. Lower frequencies require
larger transformers, and I don't think 25 cycle transformers are even
made anymore. That said, unless Amtrak has plans for the GG-1's 75th
or 100th aniversity, I can't see why they haven't dumped 25 cycle
themselfs...
>3) "Should've"'s regarding the Newark connection are pointless. It is
>already being built, and will be served by the NJT NEC and Long
Branch
>trains directly. As far as the People-Mover goes, these are fine for
>short distances, but are a bit of a drag for longer ones. A happy
medium
>has been reached by simply extending it to the tracks, as a person
can
>hop off the train and hop onto the people-mover.
Monorails, peoplemovers, etc, are pretty hopeless for just about
everything. I really wish urban planners, and the PA in general, would
give up on trying to find applications for monorails. They just aren't
practical. Is it any wonder the U.S.'s largest system is in an
AMUSEMENT PARK???
>If PATH had been extended (given the record of the Port Authority, an
>impossiblilty), bunches of transfers would still have been required -
>people mover to Path to train. Further, PATH has the undesirable
subway
>image which is shunned by most travellers.
Or Peoplemover to Path to midtown. But for anywhere but WTC, Path
would be hopeless. Actually, Path is pretty hopeless anyway ;)
>4) Connecting LaGuardia to the Port Washington branch is not
pointless -
>it provides for service to midtown, the MN Hudson line, and New
Jersey.
>As to getting to Jamaica and beyond, there is that old Kissena
Corridor,
>nicely graded for rail service, plus some useful highway medians ....
we
>engineers can build all sorts of stuff in all sorts of places.
But there's no electric link to the hudson line, and you'd have to
change at Penn for NJT. Besides, connecting LGA is one thing, but JFK
ought to be conected too. I'm not fammilliar with the Kissena
Corridor, so I can't comment on it.
>5) Subway to JFK would be easily a 45 minute to an hour ride from
>midtown, to say nothing of uptown.
Hence an express express, aka Train To The Plane (tm)
>The train can halve that.
Only if the east river tunnels can handle the capacity, never mind the
extra people at Penn during rush hour :)
>And the LIRR can be extended from its present terminus to downtown.
How?? You'd have a mess at the west end of Penn durring rush hour, and
where'd it go anyway? Unless you want to bore another tunnel at the
lower tip and connect with the Flatbush Ave LIRR line. Which wouldn't
be a bad idea anyway, actually, if it went up near City Hall (4,5,6,
etc), It would be downright useful. You'd also get easy easy side
acess too.
>6) No subway plan takes into account the possibility of replacing air
>flights with trains.
Given Amtrak's record with High Speed rail, this is a moot issue.
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Posted by Steve on November 07, 1997 at 00:17:49:
In Reply to: [6]Subway-Airport Link posted by Adam on November 04,
1997 at 18:27:00:
Every proposal for an airport rail link ends in failure because of the
same shortcomings. Either the links are not seemless - requiring train
changes or the equipment used is not traveler friendly (Ie: No luggage
racks or heavy crowds and no one wants to start their trip in a crush
load) or because of urban congestion, the routes available are either
too costly or politically unpopular to build. It is for these reasons
that I believe that any rail link to JFK or LaGuardia would only be
marginally successful at best. Optimally, the rail link should be an
integral part of the initial airport planning.
However, there are exceptions to every rule and such is the case with
NYs 3rd reigonal airport, MacArthur. Oddly enough, the north perimeter
of Islip-MacArthur airport sits on the south side of Railroad Avenue
which also borders on the Ronkonkoma Yard of the LIRR. Less than 1500
feet of track would need to be installed over mostly unused land and
you'd have the ideal airport/rail link.
Now, who would use MacArthur Airport? Since USAir, Delta, American and
Carnival all service it, MacArthur is already a reasonably busy
reigonal airport. A rail link from the Ronkonkoma branch of the LIRR
would put Mac-
Arthur within 60 minutes of midtown at minimal cost. Travelers who try
- at all costs, to avoid LaGuardia & Kennedy might give it a try.
My belief is that this would prove to be a success in that it would
provide business and vacation travelers with an alternative airport.
The 60 minutes (Seemless) trip to MacArthur would be far more
desireable than a 45 minute (non-seamless) trip to LaGuardia or JFK.
More importantly, it would put an end to the notion, once and for all,
that an Airport/Rail link won't generate traffic for either.
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Posted by Jeffrey from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 00:53:46:
Cars 9098 & 9097 were spotted on the #2 Line without any MTA/NYCTA
logos.
I think that this is a vast improvement over the new MTA logo.
Possible start of a new look?
By the way, thanks to everyone who responded to my mystery tunnel
question. However, I am informed that a tunnel to Staten Island was to
be bored as an extension of the 4th Ave. subway in Brooklyn, and not
between Whitehall St. and Court St. Mystery tunnel still remains a
mystery!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Anthony pardi on November 06,
1997 at 23:17:17:
I disagree. I think automation would do wondersL: you must remember
that the technology has matured and is now almost fail safe. London
Underground
is in the process of automation, and the ticket gates are not easily
jumped. I also know of a few small transit systems that have used
automation successfully, which proved to be a wise investment.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 07, 1997 at 03:58:22:
In Reply to: [6]Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
Philip Nasadowski on November 06, 1997 at 23:49:46:
I remember reading about this in a recent New York Times article when
the President was staying here. The article mentioned that there is a
gigantic frieght elevator that goes down to the Metro North tracks, a
siding, and that it was actually used by a former President, I forget
which one exactly.(Maybe Wilson). Even though this method of transport
is not used anymore, the elevator is still there, and secret service
agents are posted there as a security measure, because the elevator
still runs! A very fascinating piece or trivia that needs more looking
into.
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Posted by Subman23 on November 07, 1997 at 09:49:30:
In Reply to: [5]9098 & 9097 - Do they have new owners? posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 00:53:46:
From what I understand, a proposal was submitted prior to the building
of the Verrazano Narrow Bridge, to extend 4 Avenue (currently "R"
line) service into Staten Island. Train service would run over this
new bridge and connect with (or transfers would be available to)
SIRTOA service.
Rumor has it that Robert Moses (who was in favor of highway
development) played a large role in nixing this proposal.
I think this proposal would have been great for mass transit..
If anybody has any additional information on this topic please follow
up.
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Posted by subman23 on November 07, 1997 at 09:56:46:
In Reply to: [5]Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
Philip Nasadowski on November 06, 1997 at 23:49:46:
Yes, Belmont did have his own private car. This car would enter the
subway system (from the L.I.R.R.) at Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn.
If you walk to the northend of the N/B local (currently used by the 2
& 3 trains) platform you can see remnants of a spur that led into the
IRT from the LIRR.
I remember discussing this "subway trivia" with Thomas Prendergast,
soon after he was appointed LIRR President.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 07, 1997 at 11:30:55:
In Reply to: [6]Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
Philip Nasadowski on November 06, 1997 at 23:49:46:
There is a railroad siding under the Waldorf-Astoria, connecting to an
entrance to the hotel. President Roosevelt used this siding to get to
his estate at Hyde Park during World War II. I have heard that the
siding is still visible from trains leaving Grand Central Terminal on
the lowest numbered tracks, but I've never been able to spot it.
As far as I know, the siding and entrance have been disused for many
years. It's highly unlikely that they would have any bearing today on
the President's decision to stay at the Waldorf.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 07, 1997 at 11:58:26:
In Reply to: [6]9098 & 9097 - Do they have new owners? posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 00:53:46:
Actually, many of the redbirds have no MTA or the older M logos on
them. Either they're in a transition between removal of the old one
and application of the new one, or for some reason, they're not
getting any logo at all applied.
I've seen this on all the IRT lines that run redbirds.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 07, 1997 at 12:02:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
subman23 on November 07, 1997 at 09:56:46:
>> Yes, Belmont did have his own private car. This car would enter the
>> subway system (from the L.I.R.R.) at Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn.
This is another legend in itself. While there is evidence of a
connection at Atlantic Ave, I thought that it was never actually
built. Was it really there at one time??
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 07, 1997 at 12:04:17:
In Reply to: [6]Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
Philip Nasadowski on November 06, 1997 at 23:49:46:
Last I remember, Branford Trolley Museum had the Mineola. Most of the
stained glass is still intact but the car itself needs A LOT of work
to get it running. Not sure you'll see it running anytime soon,
though.
--Mark
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Posted by Prfnoff on November 07, 1997 at 13:24:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by ANthony Pardi on
November 06, 1997 at 22:56:36:
The LaGuardia connection could utilize the former express track on the
N "Astoria" line. Only problem, though, it's just three tracks, and a
fourth track might be needed.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 07, 1997 at 13:37:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
Mark S Feinman on November 07, 1997 at 12:02:07:
There must have been some connection between the original IRT and the
regular rail network for delivery of rolling stock, as well as other
supplies in those largely pre-truck days.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 07, 1997 at 15:01:51:
In Reply to: [5]9098 & 9097 - Do they have new owners? posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 00:53:46:
I think these two cars are not (original) mates. If I'm correct
#9097's mate should be #9096 and #9098's mate #9099. I guess when you
saw them they were with their proper mates but the motor ends of #9098
& #9097 were facing each other.
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 15:10:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: An Open Letter posted by Peter Rosa on November
06, 1997 at 09:20:57:
>>system's deficiencies are attributable to the lack of competition
I'd have to agree with that. Way back when Express bus service on
staten island was on (IMHO) converted local buses with plastic
semi-cushion seats. Then came the private operator with AC/TV
reclining comfortable seats.
Then the the new (Orians?) city express buses with the reclining seats
and the even started to convert the older express buses by tearing out
the old seat layout and installing the newer reclining seats.
I think the competition as well as the great number of complaints
brought this about (still waiting for the TV). There was even a point
when they pulled the Flyer buses that the TA rented MCI buses that
were much more comfortable then the current express fleet (bus drivers
had problems with the manual door).
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 07, 1997 at 15:21:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations posted by Al on November 06, 1997 at
14:02:41:
The lobby of Downtown Crossing Station (nee Washington) in Boston sits
between the basements of the two big department stores, Macy's (nee
Jordan Marsh) and Filenes. Both have direct access to this lobby
(which now is an unpaid area and there is also a direct exit from the
southbound Red Line to the sub Basement of Macy's. Another feature is
display windows onto the Orange Line platform from Filenes. Before the
lobby was converted to an unpaid area, Jordans had its own turnstyles
and even a collector at busy periods. Filenes always opened into the
fare collection area.
Gerry
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 15:35:47:
Okay I am going to go out on a turnstile spoke here and say the maybe
one of the reasons the TA has a surplus in money is the collection of
DATA as to how many people ride the system.
I have seen Railroad Clerks leave their booth with a nice pail to
empty the turnstiles of tokens and writing down on their clipboard the
counter numbers and return to their booth. I assume the pail is dumped
somewhere and the tokens counted, if and when they are compared to the
turnstile counter??
Now that we have the METROCARD is there any data coming electronicly
into the TA computers? Would this eliminate someone writing down a
wrong counter number or miscounting tokens?
Another reason for the surplus could be there are a 80,000 people out
there with max $80 metrocards.....
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Posted by Ashley Moses on November 07, 1997 at 17:19:14:
Has anyone here seen that movie "Ghostbusters 2" Well if
you have you will notice that a subway station is featured. Its called
Vanhorne Puenmatic Tranisit System. Is there such thing as this
station in New York? If anyone knows please contact me on my email!
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Posted by BJ on November 07, 1997 at 18:27:17:
The CTA will say goodbye to it's conductors as they leave the
overnight shift on the Red and Blue Line's this saturday Nov 8 ( It is
really sunday, but the shift starts saturday night). The motormen will
be taking all the duties that the conductors had to do.
These were the two remaining lines that had conductors on them. All
other lines had conductors removed a while ago. The CTA says that this
will save them a couple million dollars more each year. Will they ever
be out of debt? They cut 10 bus routes and cut down service on 5 bus
routes about a month ago and that was also suppost to save them
millions.
They are looking for so many ways to save money, but they will vote
next week on letting alchol and tobacco keep being advertised on their
system. They are expected to pass this and not let them advertise.
They did this because lots of people showed up at a publie hearing.
Lots of people complained about the removal of conductors and they
still did that!
Your thoughts please!
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 07, 1997 at 18:59:52:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Sybway and moivie "Ghostbusters 2" posted by
Ashley Moses on November 07, 1997 at 17:19:14:
The name of the system in the movie refers to a bit of history known
as the Beach Pneumatic Transit which DID exist in New York. It was an
air-driven system in which the car was blown down a short tunnel and
then "sucked" back by reversing the flow of the fans. It had one
station, under Warren St. & Broadway, and operated from 1870 to 1873
as a demonstration and curiosity. The tunnel was about 300 ft. long.
I didn't realize they had a name for the tunnel showed in the movie
("Vanhorne"). It doesn't mean anything to me in terms of NYC Transit
history.
However, the "station" pictured in Ghostbusters 2 (the "river of
slime" scene) is clearly modeled on City Hall Station of the New York
City subway. It too has been abandoned and unseen by most for going on
55 years now. It still exists and the NY Transit Museum frequently
hosts tours. You can see pictures of it at our [7]City Hall Station -
http://www.nycsubway.org/disused/cityhall.html page. The thing you see
in the movie is a set. I'll have to watch this again and see how close
they get it.
-Dave
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Posted by Eric B on November 07, 1997 at 19:38:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 49th Street Station posted by subway-buff on
November 05, 1997 at 20:54:29:
Actually, the Wall St station (which is dark blue) is from the
mid-80's rebuilding program. Done around the same time as Borough Hall
and Fulton St, it combines the new tiles with some old-style ones in
the and a wooden token booth. Now, Bowling Green is one that was done
around the same time as 49th St. These two stations were my favorite
70's look, and Borough Hall and Fulton were my favorite 80's "old look
renaissance" stations.
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Posted by Zack on November 07, 1997 at 22:00:33:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Sybway and moivie "Ghostbusters 2" posted by
Ashley Moses on November 07, 1997 at 17:19:14:
yes it did exist "beaches penumatic subway" whe building one of the
subway lines they broke into its tunel and ufourtaily the car was
demolished? i dont know if the tunel/stateion exists still but it
would be intersteing to find out.
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Posted by Mike on November 07, 1997 at 23:30:41:
If anyone out there has the reading terminals that are displayed at
Boston's South Station Train Information Departure Board for the "T"
Commuter rail, please post them on the subtalk or e-mail them to me.
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If anyone has any information regarding NYCT Staten Island bus service
(new routes or extensions)to New Jersey over both the Outerbridge &
Gothels Bridge,I would like to know what route extension or new route
are being considered & where will the service terminate in New Jersey.
I would greatly appreciate it posting it on the subtalk.
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Posted by Al on November 07, 1997 at 23:51:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway in the Movies posted by Steve on November
06, 1997 at 22:25:30:
Thank you very much for the info. I've always wanted to know what thay
were constructing there. I remember when I was watching the movie for
the first time when it first came out in the theatres. My brother and
I asked our father what they are making there. He told they were
making another subway.
From the scene I can actually see a huge open space where the, what I
know are is the division between the BMT and IND lines. I believe that
area does still exist and is used, but without the 2nd Ave line. I
think those BMT tracks lead to the 57th Street station. What is ironic
for me is, that the theatre where I saw Nighthawks is located at the
UA Theatre @ 64th and 2nd Ave. The first came out about the beginning
of the 80's, which explains how they were able to film that
construction scene, for it is the 70's that saw the unfortunate end to
the 2nd Ave Line project. Thanx again.
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Posted by Al on November 07, 1997 at 23:58:47:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Stations(Bloomies) posted by Anthony Pardi on
November 06, 1997 at 22:37:14:
I have to look closely next time for the Bloomie's entrance. I
remember the Alexander's entrance at the south end of the platform.
What remains of that entrance, I think is now hidden by a newsstand.
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Posted by Al on November 08, 1997 at 00:05:45:
Can anyone tell me when the modern token booths came to be. Was it
around the beginning of the 80's because I still remember those small
one-person token booths.
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In Reply to: [6]NYCT Staten Island bus service to New Jersey over both
the Outerbridge & Gothels Bridge. posted by Mike on November 07, 1997
at 23:35:52:
The only TA bus service that enters NJ are the x17 and x31, whcih take
the Goethals Bridge and NJ Turnpike to the Lincoln Tunnel as a
shortcut to midtown.
-Hank
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 08, 1997 at 01:41:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Customer Information posted by David L. on
November 08, 1997 at 01:17:20:
Both these incidents occurred during the busy hours, when NYCT has the
staff on board to handle them efficiently. The real test will be when
one of you encounter something that happens after 10 at night when
service and staffing are at much lower levels, and delays much more
disruptive. This seems to be where Sammy was getting very frustrated,
and understandably so. Here in Boston, evening headways can be up to
20 minutes, so when something happens at these hours, people also get
angry, and the MBTA also has more difficulty in dealing with the
problem and informing the public.
Gerry
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 08, 1997 at 03:26:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Andrew Byler on
November 06, 1997 at 19:40:40:
Re: Kissena corridor
If you mean the park corridor leading east from Flushing Meadows,
you'll have a tough fight ahead. The LIRR line that ran through there
to Creedmoor and Floral Park (not to Jamaica) has been gone for many
decades and has since been taken over by parks, playgrounds, ball
fields and houses. At one point near the Flushing Meadow end there is
even a wildlife sanctuary. It goes through some very nice suburban
neighborhoods who might get rather pissed at losing their local park
land to a questionable rail line.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 08, 1997 at 03:38:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
Fernando Perez on November 07, 1997 at 03:58:22:
Wouldn't it be great if the Transit Museum ran a tour for THAT! That
would be incredible, especially if they had a rail car wait at the
siding (even a simple flatcar would do). They could combine it with a
tour of all the unused places of GCT.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 08, 1997 at 03:54:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: An Open Letter posted by Nick on November 06, 1997
at 11:31:47:
Yes. Governor Pataki taking away money specifically earmarked for mass
transit for his own political purposes. Guiliani supported it because
he was in the doghouse for supporting Cuomo, and the courts upheld it
(or at least did nothing, which is the same thing). Result?
Cost-cutting while increasing fares to cover the deficit. Just
remember this the next time Pataki comes up for re-election.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 08, 1997 at 04:45:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations posted by Mark S Feinman on November 06,
1997 at 13:15:30:
Argh, now you guys have gotten me started! 8-)
Alright, at Hoyt Street there was what I believe a platform-level
entrance into A&S Department store. I never used it, but I do remember
being shocked at seeing the IRT beyond some doors in the basement.
Whether or not the building still exists, I don't know; Macy's may
have abandoned it.
Gimbel's and EJ Korvette's both had entrances to the subway at Herald
Square. Gimbel's had a modest basement entrance (nothing like the
glitzy entrance to ex-A&S plaza) while Korvette's had a stairway in
one of their entrance vestibules. Dont't know if the building which
replaced Korvette's (the name escapes me at the moment, is it Herald
Center?) has an internal subway entrance, but I believe it used to
when it first opened. As for Gimbels, if you go to the PATH station at
33rd and look to the right, there might still be a section of wall
which was never renovated, that still says 'Gimbels'. The Herald
Square station had/has a couple of hotel entrances at the 32nd St. and
Bway entrance, but one of them was covered up when the station was
rebuilt, and the other is only open to staff.
At Union Square the only entrance I know of was the one to the
abandoned S. Klein department store, which disappeared when the
building was torn down and the whole area rebuilt. It even had an
unused neon sign over the entrance.
23rd St. and Lex has the entrance into MetLife.
Astor Place has a new entrance (Kmart?). Apparently they're coming
into vogue again!
I always found it strange that Macy's at Herald Square never had an
underground subway entrance of any sort, even though it sits next to 2
major stations.
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Posted by charlie muller on November 08, 1997 at 04:57:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Bus Stop Signs(To David Pirmann) posted by
chris on November 05, 1997 at 08:36:47:
i have the same new signs in the bedford park blvd section of the
bronx. also there are also where i work near radio city music hall.
there are nice but i have to strain my neck to really see them. i
think they will put the skeds up once all the new signs are in place.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 08, 1997 at 04:58:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 57th Street Station posted by John on November 05,
1997 at 15:33:20:
I think they were used even more recently than that. What's surprising
though, is that they haven't been used since not even for storage. The
tracks just outside the Lex Ave. station are covered with rust, and
some fencing has been put alongside the Q tracks right over the
switch.
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Posted by charlie muller on November 08, 1997 at 05:08:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Bus Stop Signs(To David Pirmann) posted by
chris on November 05, 1997 at 08:36:47:
i have the same new signs in the bedford park blvd section of the
bronx. also there are also where i work near radio city music hall.
there are nice but i have to strain my neck to really see them. i
think they will put the skeds up once all the new signs are in place.
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 08, 1997 at 12:52:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations posted by Andrew Huie on November 08,
1997 at 04:45:04:
Speaking of odd entrances to stations, I once heard that the West 4th
Street station once had entrances from the street down to the
mezzanine between the two track levels, such that someone entering
from the street would go down to the mezzanine, then if they wanted
the 8th Ave. trains they'd go back UP a level, or down to 6th Ave. Can
anyone confirm that?
-Dave
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Posted by subway-buff on November 08, 1997 at 18:29:38:
In Reply to: [6]The PA-5 is comming for path!!! posted by Philip E.
DOminguez on November 06, 1997 at 19:48:46:
What are they going to do with Exchange Place. This station only holds
seven cars and they run 8 car trains and the conductor opens the rear
of the train (last 7 cars).
What other info do you have? will they look like the PA-4 cars. WIll
PATH scrap any old cars (such as PA-1 to PA-3).
Will they be single unit cars or will they be MU cars? If MU will
there also be some single units since the 33 rd line only holds 7 cars
(or will they extend those stations)
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Posted by Steve on November 08, 1997 at 19:14:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations- West 4th posted by David Pirmann on
November 08, 1997 at 12:52:08:
I can't confirm it but I can tell you that at the north end of the
mezzanine, there is a door, beyond which lies a long corridor which is
now the headquearter of the Infrastructure Dept. The passageway
extends for several blocks and could likely have accommodated the
entrance you are referring to.
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Posted by Eric on November 08, 1997 at 19:18:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 57th Street Station posted by Andrew Huie on
November 08, 1997 at 04:58:11:
These tracks are out of service for replacement of the track bed. This
work will also spread to the rest of the 63rd St. line, as the TA
found that the current track bed was faulty.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 08, 1997 at 19:30:16:
In Reply to: [6]Stations posted by Al on November 05, 1997 at
15:44:06:
While on the subject of stations, can someone comment on what
percentage of local stations on NYCT lack common entrances (ie:
separate access to opposite platforms with no transfer passageway)? I
know this is common on the original IRT main line.
Here in Boston there are few stations in this category:
Kendall and Central on the Red Line
Chinatown (Essex) on the Orange Line
Copley, Boylston (transfer passageway removed ca: 1980) and Symphony
(prepayment inbound, pay fare on car outbound) on the Green Line
(Science Park has a common entrance but is pay fare on car in both
directions - Prudential is like this at times)
Also at Ashmont(Red), Lechmere(Green), and Wonderland(Blue) terminals
outbound platforms are unpaid areas (this was also the way at Forest
Hills and Everett on the old Orange Line els).
Gerry
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Posted by Steve on November 08, 1997 at 20:45:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Customer Information posted by Eric on November
08, 1997 at 19:09:07:
There is no such model board in operation yet. The one at Jay Street
gives a pictorial representation of the system but can not and does no
indicate train location. That's not to say this is not changing. The
new Control Center will have such capabilities when complete. The
beginning will be the AATC (advanced automatic train control) system
being installed on the 'L' line. This system was originally developed
for the military to enable the leaders to identify the exact location
of US tanks on battlefields. The new system will be able to identify a
train and its' location to within 10 feet on straight track and 15-20
feet on curved track. With this system, such a model board will then
be possible.
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 08, 1997 at 22:29:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The PA-5 is comming for path!!! posted by
subway-buff on November 08, 1997 at 18:29:38:
My guess is that the PA-5's will be single units just like all of the
other PATH cars, to accommodate their varying train length. I've seen
trains of 3, 6, 7, and 8 cars at various times of the day. Maybe some
would be cab cars and some non-cab cars like the existing PA1's and
PA2's.
I heard that once they start receiving PA5 cars, the PA3 cars would be
sent to be rebuilt. Once they start to come back, the PA1 and 2 class
cars would be scrapped/moved to work service (allowing the K cars to
be scrapped).
As for OPTO and Exchange Place, that's an interesting question. I
guess it's possible the platform could be extended at the West End but
it would have to be curved.
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POSTER>Annonymous, but informed
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Posted by Annonymous, but informed on November 09, 1997 at 00:27:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Andrew Byler on
November 04, 1997 at 19:34:16:
The JFK rail link, is not a mono-rail system but a "light rail" system
(in the olden days they were called "El's".) Using todays definition,
the existing NYC subway would be a "heavy rail" system. Anyway, the
JFK rail link will consist of a loop around JFK, with stops at each
terminal and parking lot and two spurs, one to the Howard Beach
station of the A train and a second spur, which would run along the
center median of the Van Wyck to the Jamaica Center subway terminal.
The JFK rail link will not directly connect to the NYC subway, and NYC
subway cars will not utilize it. In fact, the two systems will be
incompatible, with the rail link utilizing cars that run on AC
propulsion, with an automated signaling system (i.e.: not motormen or
conductors required).
The reason the JFK rail link can not be an extension of the NYC subway
has to do with the way it is being funded. The bulk of the funding is
being paid for by the passenger ticket surcharge, which is added to
every ticket for a flight leaving JFK/LGA/EWR. The federal government
originially mandated that this money could only be spent on airport
construction or modernization projects. Airport access projects could
only be funded with this money if they were within the airport
boundaries. After much lobying by various Airport Authority's and
various politicians, the federal government allowed the use of this
money for projects outside of airports, only if they improved access
to an airport, and said access improvments would be dedicated to
airport use. (i.e.: you couldn't use it to repair local streets near
an airport and call it an airport improvement)
Because of this, an extension of the NYC subway could not be paid for
with the airport surcharge money, because the subways are clearly used
for more than airport access. As a result, the proposed JFK rail link
can only make limited stops outside of the airport, to ensure that
it's passengers will only be utilizing it to get to and from the
airport.
For a real subway exension to the airports to get done, it must be
funded and built by the MTA. New York State and NYC do not want to
come up with the money for this. Since the Port Authority has the
money, they want them to build it. The laws that created the PA were
written to explicitly forbid them from spending money raised by PA
tolls and bonds on non-PA projects (i.e.: a New York City Subway
extension).
And this, my dear gentlemen is why the JFK rail link has this form you
are complaining about. Unless George and Rudy get together and come up
with the $$$, and stop trying to use the PA to fund it, there won't be
a direct subway connection. (They won't tell you this and instead
blame it on PA incompetence). P.S.: The Governor of New York jointly
runs the PA, with the Governor of N.J. and appoints it's Executive
Director and 6 of it's 12 commissioners. The PA does not undertake any
project or spend any money for capital construction without the
approval of both Governors. Each Governor also can veto any action
taken by the PA Board Of Commissioners. Since the PA was created in
1921, this has never happened.
So, if there are any complaints about this plan, dont blame the PA
(like Rudy - he knows the truth but won't directly confront George),
but complain to the Governor.
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Posted by charlie muller on November 09, 1997 at 06:04:51:
In Reply to: [5]Token booths posted by Al on November 08, 1997 at
00:05:45:
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Posted by charlie muller on November 09, 1997 at 06:08:43:
In Reply to: [5]Token booths posted by Al on November 08, 1997 at
00:05:45:
i remember the new token booths started about the mid 1970's. they
started building them while i was in my last year of high school
1974-75. by the time all the stations where done with the new token
booths in would make it by the early 1980's as far as i can remember.
charlie muller.
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Posted by Steve on November 09, 1997 at 11:57:23:
In Reply to: [6]Surplus Might Be just Better Bookkeeping?? posted by
Lou from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 15:35:47:
I think that explaining a $167 million surplus on being able to count
your revenues more accurately is somewhat simplistic. The surplus is,
in actuality, not in the till yet. Things like "Projected Savings" and
"Projected Ridership" are probably in the mix somewhere. I think that
the actual numbers will be somewhat less.
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Posted by Steve on November 09, 1997 at 12:05:40:
In Reply to: [6]Token booths posted by Al on November 08, 1997 at
00:05:45:
I think that the 'New' style token booth emerged in the early 70s. I'm
sure that part of the reason for the urgent replacement of all of the
old booths was the arson fire in Broad Channel in the early 70s which
took the life of 2 collection agents.
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Posted by John on November 09, 1997 at 12:15:55:
In Reply to: [5]9098 & 9097 - Do they have new owners? posted by
Jeffrey from Brooklyn on November 07, 1997 at 00:53:46:
Why would you think the TA didn't own these cars? Who do you have in
mind that might be owning these cars? . . . .
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Posted by John on November 09, 1997 at 12:17:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The PA-5 is comming for path!!! posted by David
Pirmann on November 08, 1997 at 22:29:04:
And gap fillers are definately a must for that curve!!
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Posted by Matt on November 09, 1997 at 12:36:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The PA-5 is comming for path!!! posted by John on
November 09, 1997 at 12:17:49:
The logical thing to do at Exchange Place would be to leave the last
car off the platform (unless it blocks an interlocking). A special
cut-out device would have to be added to the cars, though.
Does anyone have any more information on the cars or is this a PA
secret?
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Posted by Steve on November 09, 1997 at 13:06:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The PA-5 is comming for path!!! posted by David
Pirmann on November 08, 1997 at 22:29:04:
There are 2 possibilities as far as OPTO and Exchange Place are
concerned. First, Path might take the lead from NYCT and not use OPTO
on full length trains. They could limit it to, say, 4-car trains.
Second, at Exchange Place, the operator could platform the rear 7 cars
and toggle off the doors in the head car before opening them. LIRR has
been doing this for ever at their shorter stations like Flatbush Ave,
Woodside and Jamaica.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on November 09, 1997 at 13:12:56:
Just a thought---as many of you know, there has been a lot of talk
about the reduction in G service, here's a thought. Is it feasable to
build a connection between the G and the J,M Lines?--Possibly between
Broadway (G) and the Lorimer St. or Hewes St. (J.M) stations. This
would give pasengers more options on getting to G stations without
having to rely solely on the G itself--what, with the cutbacks and
all. On a different note, has any thought ever been given to possibly
extending the M up to the Queens Blvd. Lines? This would, in essence,
create a second Bklyn/ Queens route. That, along w/ a connection
between the G and the J,M would take some of the stress off the G,
especially with the cutbacks..........anyhow, it was just a thought.
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Posted by trolleybus on November 09, 1997 at 13:20:22:
atu pres hanley advised staten island bus drivers this depot will
close eminently. it was sold to the ny post or ny state. can anyone
confirm this.
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Posted by trolleybus on November 09, 1997 at 13:20:34:
atu pres hanley advised staten island bus drivers this depot will
close eminently. it was sold to the ny post or ny state. can anyone
confirm this.
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Posted by subway-buff on November 09, 1997 at 13:23:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The PA-5 is comming for path!!! posted by David
Pirmann on November 08, 1997 at 22:29:04:
There is another concern for extending Exchange Place on the West end
of the station. On the Westbound (from NY) track just past the station
(and you can actually see it from the end of the platform) there is an
interlock for the Hoboken trains to turn off into the wye. Widening
the tunnels which are cast iron would be expensive since the cast iron
is brittle. I my opinion, I think they will have to use Steve's cut
out suggestion, or not use OPTO on this line except when running less
than 8 cars.
According to the book Gotham Turnstiles, there used to be an exit to
the Surface level Pennsuylvania Railroad Station (This predated NYC
Penn). This entrace is now closed and is a communciations room.
Regarding the PA 1 - PA 3 the person I talked to suggested scrapping
all exit the PA-4 cars, and the PA-4 cars would be rebuilt.
While anything is possible, I think the PA-1 to PA-3 are worse than
the redbirds( Sorry, redbird fans!) l look at the roof lines and
you'll see all the bondo and patching.
K Cars? I wish PATH would set aside a spare track at Journal Square as
a PATH Branch of the Transit Musuem. They could park a K, PA-1, etc
there. Maybe they could use the track to the right of Track 1. I'd
gladly pay (or get in with NY Transit musuem card) to a PATH Museum.
How 'bout it PATH people? can we have a PATH Musuem?
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Posted by Steve on November 09, 1997 at 14:55:53:
In Reply to: [6]walnut depot posted by trolleybus on November 09, 1997
at 13:20:34:
I know very little about the Surface Dept. but why would Staten Island
drivers be concerned about the Walnut Depot? The last I heard, Walnut
was in the south Bronx.
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Posted by Joe M on November 09, 1997 at 15:21:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by ANthony Pardi on
November 06, 1997 at 22:56:36:
Sounds great to me. I there a possible bus link to do that now?
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 09, 1997 at 16:13:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The PA-5 is comming for path!!! posted by Matt on
November 09, 1997 at 12:36:02:
The westbound trains at Exchange Place already block the interlocking
when platformed so I doubt that's much of a concern :-)
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 09, 1997 at 16:39:43:
In Reply to: [6]walnut depot posted by trolleybus on November 09, 1997
at 13:20:34:
The new Coliseum is being built to replace Walnut, but as far as when
it will be completed is another question. Right now I dont even think
a foundation has even been laid yet. I haven't heard anything about a
sale either.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 09, 1997 at 19:41:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Philip Nasadowski on
November 07, 1997 at 00:15:39:
> Please note that I'm not trying to start a flame war here -
intellegent
> disscussion of this issue can only lead to a solution that suits
> everybody - and works.
No flammage is meant, I hope none was taken.
1) Regarding voltages and frequencies, I thought up a happy medium.
Amtrak is still using 12.5 kV, 25 cycle power on the south end, while
the new North End electrifcation will be commerical 25 kV 60 cycle
power, so the new high speed equipment on order will provide for both,
plus MN's 12.5 kV 60 cycle. The reason for the lower voltage on MN and
the south end is low clearances, which do not provide sufficient
height to prevent arcing. This is especially true with the New York
and Baltimore tunnels.
Now to solve possible current conflicts here's a solution - change the
transition zone to near Sunnyside Yard, and rework the short stretch
from there to New Rochelle for the higher cycles. That way, MN can use
all present equipment.
3) (I guess point 2 was non-controversial) Monorails / people movers.
These are admittedly a flop outside Wuppertal, Germany - except in
airports. Tons of newer terminals have these, and they work quite well
- Atlanta, Newark, O'Hare, Denver all come to mind. In fact, following
Newark's example, plans are afoot to extend O'Hare's to the new O'Hare
train station.
4) Having looked over my Falkplan map of New York, My mention of
Kissena corridor was clearly a mistake. Here's what I can see in the
way of connecting up the airports.
a) From LaGuardia, the line would follow the corridor between the
Grand Central Parkway and Ditmars Blvd. At Astoria Blvd., one branch
would continue along the parkway until it connected with the Hell Gate
viaduct and heads for MN's New Haven line. Another leg would turn
south towards the BQE, and cut across the various interchanges (deftly
avoiding "grave" controversy at St. Michaels Cemetery), where it would
branch again, one leg joining the Amtrak line to Penn Sta., the other
swinging southeast and joining the old LIRR/PRR Brooklyn frieght line.
A final junction east of Woodise would join this line to the LIRR main
line and the Port Washington branch (perhaps using air-rghts over the
middle of Queens Blvd). Electrification using overhead catenary (for
which poles already exist - or did exist - on the freight line) and
over-running third rail. This would provide LaGuardia serivce to
midtown, the Hudson Line, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Long Island.
Possible service patterns? What about a train every 30 minutes from
Hicksville/Ronkonkoma/Huntington (pick your choice), Babylon, and
Stamford. Every hour from Dover, NJ, Trenton, and Poughkeepsie (train
would have to be dual power using over running third rail or catenary
for power). The New Jersey Transit trains could be simple extensions
of existing runs. When the 63rd St. Tunnel connection to Grand Central
is built, an additional 30 minute frequency could be added. This
provides 15 minute frequencies to midtown and Jamaica. Getting to
Downtown is tougher. Some thoughts to kick around - the old West Side
line south from Penn Station, down Canal St. to the unused center
express tracks on the BMT-Broadway to City Hall, then snaking around
the World Trade Center, perhaps down Washington St. (there's probably
a utility corridor under the complex, as with Greenwich St.), under
the Brooklyn Battery tunnel till clear of Battery Park and under the
East River to Atlantic Ave.
b) JFK bound trains could head for the same destinations. Construction
or rebuilding needed would be a connection out the Van Wyck to Howard
Beach, up the old Rockaway line to the junction at Rego Park.
Connection to Jamaica could be made at Atlantic Ave. Connection to
Valley Stream and Babylon could possibly be through/under the park
seperating Laurelton and Rosedale via the other side of JFK (this
could allow a through circulation of LIRR trains from Hicksville to
Babylon and return). Obviously, many of the connections mentiond above
are necessary for this project as well - the two should work in
tandem.
5) More tunnels under the east river at Penn are not necessarily
needed. The ladder from tracks 1-13 at the west end needs to be
connected across to hit the LIRR used tracks on the north side - this
takes two extra double slip switches - a couple hundred thousand bucks
tops. Further, the theoretical future entracne of the LIRR to Grand
Central will go along way to reducing pressure on these tunnels. A
bigger choke point? Penn Sta. to Newark - which eventually is going to
need at least one more tunnel and one or two more tracks on the
outside.
6) Amtrak will eventually have high-speed on the NEC. And if not them
due to bankruptcy, termination, etc., a northeast regional agency will
be created to continue running trains in this area - they are simply
too important. Whether the vision exists within that company to
workout such an arrangement as proposed is questionable. Its practical
feasibility is not. In fact, all service between Philly and New York
in the air could be replaced with trains from those airports. Ditto
for BWI. Perhaps the disappearance of Amtrak and its replacement with
a regional agency up this way would be a good thing - we could -
possibly - unite the corridor with the commuter trains again to most
efficiently move the customers.
Price of these various schemes - probably a few billion smackers - no
worse than PATH's various schemse, but serving a lot more people.
Practicality of these schemes - entirely feasible from an engineering
standpoint, potentially feasible politcally if enough asses and rings
are kissed by the right people. Oh for a benevolent dictator or
monarch!
Andy
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 09, 1997 at 19:47:03:
To all,
I have some free subway stuff for the taking to whoever expresses
interest in it first. Among the documents - copies of news clippings
on the Astor Place flood, a 1995 Subway calendar (nice pictures), IRT
Pump car operating instructions, IRT car assignments from the 50's and
60's, etc. Got a lot of this from Hank Raudenbusch of the ETA and LTK
Engineering Services.
First to ask for it gets the lot. I'd appreciate $3 for the Priority
Mail postage, cause I'm just a poor graduate student, but if you're
poor too, no problem (we'll work on the honor system here). Write to
byler@ce.udel.edu to ask for them.
Andy Byler
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Posted by Steve on November 09, 1997 at 20:13:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: walnut depot posted by Fernando Perez on November
09, 1997 at 16:39:43:
As of last week, the ground had just been cleared, only!
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Posted by Al on November 10, 1997 at 00:42:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Token booths posted by charlie muller on November
09, 1997 at 06:08:43:
Thanx for the info. The completion of the 'new style' token booths
throughout the system may explain why I remeber sedeing them for the
first time around the start of the 80's. Just wasn't to sure when if
it was at that time.
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Posted by chris on November 10, 1997 at 01:33:45:
Is this route assigned to the HUdson or to the 126 st as previously
placed
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on November 10, 1997 at 05:08:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Bus Stop Signs(To David Pirmann) posted by
charlie muller on November 08, 1997 at 04:57:11:
for more information on the new bus stop signs, there is a good
article in the monday november 10, 1997 ny daily news on page 3.
according to the article there are compliments and there are also
complaints.
charlie muller
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 10, 1997 at 09:02:09:
In Reply to: [5]Token booths posted by Al on November 08, 1997 at
00:05:45:
The early-mid 70s is correct. I remember when the Roosevelt Island
Tramway was being built (it went into operation in May 1976, after
many delays) they used the new-style token booths
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Posted by aaron on November 10, 1997 at 09:05:25:
In Reply to: [6]CTA Says goodbye to conductors posted by BJ on
November 07, 1997 at 18:27:17:
This will be a joke, especially on the Red Line, as most of the
stations
are middle platforms. They should reverse the tracks so the motormen
can
control the doors from the cab.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 10, 1997 at 09:06:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 9098 & 9097 - Do they have new owners? posted by
Subman23 on November 07, 1997 at 09:49:30:
Look off the south end of the s/b plat at 59-4Av. You'll see a ramp
which existed for the purpose of at some point chunneling through to
Staten island.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 10, 1997 at 09:15:17:
In Reply to: [5]M22 Depot Assignment posted by chris on November 10,
1997 at 01:33:45:
Originally it was at NYCTA/126 Street - It's now assigned to
MABSTOA/Hudson
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on November 10, 1997 at 10:08:32:
In Reply to: [6]CTA Says goodbye to conductors posted by BJ on
November 07, 1997 at 18:27:17:
This morning's traffic reports say that the Red and Blue lines are
running
about 10 min. behind schedule due to the change to OPTO (one person
train operation).
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 10, 1997 at 11:30:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 09, 1997 at 13:12:56:
Extending the M line to Queens Boulevard might not be a bad idea, but
I foresee two major obstacles: (1) a large cemetery blocks any
extension to the north of Metropolitan Avenue, and (2) the limitations
of the 53rd Street tunnel would make it difficult to increase service
on Queens Boulevard (the opening of the connection to the 63rd Street
tunnel probably wouldn't help enough to make a real difference).
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Posted by Dave on November 10, 1997 at 11:44:45:
Spent the weekend in Chicago and rode the El/subway for a few
enjoyable hours. I did have a few questions about the Red and Purple
lines, however.
1. Just north of South Blvd. on the Evanston line there is a siding
with 3rd rail that diverges just north of the station and descends to
ground level. There were autos parked on the track so I assume it's
dead and the 3rd rail is not hot. What is/was this siding used for?
2. Somewhere around Morse or Loyala (I don't remember which) there was
extensive new trackage just south of the station It was off to the
side and only ran a few hundred feet before rejoining the main line.
The wood support decking around the trackage suggests a new station is
being constructed. Is this the case?
3. Around the Belmont stop (I think...I didn't have a pen to write
with and take notes) a single track diverges westward before the
station and goes to a single platform adjacent to a building. This
line and station are below the regular station and they looked
abandoned. What was this station used for and when was it abandoned?
4. Heading north from the Loop it looks like only the inner 2 tracks
are being used and the outer two abandoned. Trees overgrow the outer
tracks and some of it is being pulled up. Why? Wouldn't it be cheaper
to leave it in place? At least that way, if traffic picked up at some
point in the future these tracks could be renergized. It's not like
the CTA is pulling down the El...or is that planned?
5. Unlike the NYC system, most of the route signs on the Red line lead
cars were incorrect. For example, most of the cars heading south still
displayed "Howard" and many of the cars heading north read "Dan Ryan."
Very confusing. Aren't the motormen supposed to change these?
The new ticket card system seems to be pretty much in place throughout
the Loop and the Red line. I was in Chicago in July and none of the
stops I used had them installed. Personally, I think it stinks. The
machine took my $20 even though I only wanted $3 worth of "tokens" and
didn't give change. No where on the machine did I see a sign that said
"this machine doesn't give change." If it was there, it's pretty well
hidden!
OPTO goes into effect today on the Red line. The Purple line already
uses OPTO. Train crews I talked to weren't happy but both a motorman
and a conductor said the CTA has been hit with a lot of retirements
and changing to OPTO is a lot cheaper than hiring and training new
crew. The cars that don't have full-width cabs have a "Do Not Cross"
cloth ribbon installed just behind the cab so no one sits on the front
seat, which allows the motorman to open the left-side window and look
down the station platforms to see if anyone is boarding. I was told
all cars will be retrofitted with full-width cabs.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 10, 1997 at 12:27:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Dave on
November 10, 1997 at 11:44:45:
> 4. Heading north from the Loop it looks like only the inner 2 tracks
are
> being used and the outer two abandoned. Trees overgrow the outer
tracks
> and some of it is being pulled up. Why? Wouldn't it be cheaper to
leave
> it in place? At least that way, if traffic picked up at some point
in the
> future these tracks could be renergized. It's not like the CTA is
pulling
> down the El...or is that planned?
It's been abandoned for a long time already, I think since the 50s and
dates back to the 4 track Northwestern Elevated RR. Some areas of this
EL were rebuilt and only have a 2 track steel structure and I think a
proposed stationw as supposed to go in that area but was never built
because of NIMBYism.
> 5. Unlike the NYC system, most of the route signs on the Red line
lead
> cars were incorrect. For example, most of the cars heading south
still
> displayed "Howard" and many of the cars heading north read "Dan
Ryan."
> Very confusing. Aren't the motormen supposed to change these?
Yes they are. It's probably because of the loop at Howard. The train
doesn't just change ends - it loops around at Howard and starts off in
the other direction.
> ... The machine took my $20 even though I only wanted $3 worth of
> "tokens" and didn't give change. No where on the machine did I
> see a sign that said "this machine doesn't give change." If it was
there,
> it's pretty well hidden!
You've just discovered an innovative way that the CTA hopes to make
money! :)
> OPTO goes into effect today on the Red line. The Purple line already
uses
> OPTO. Train crews I talked to weren't happy but both a motorman and
a
> conductor said the CTA has been hit with a lot of retirements and
> changing to OPTO is a lot cheaper than hiring and training new crew.
The
> cars that don't have full-width cabs have a "Do Not Cross" cloth
ribbon
> installed just behind the cab so no one sits on the front seat,
which
> allows the motorman to open the left-side window and look down the
> station platforms to see if anyone is boarding. I was told all cars
will
> be retrofitted with full-width cabs.
Oh no! The famed Railfan seat on the CTA is an endangered species. Has
the Blue line been converted yet? When I was out there in June, all
the lines except for the subway (Red and Blue) were OPTO.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 10, 1997 at 12:37:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Peter Rosa on November
10, 1997 at 11:30:14:
Then, what if the M terminated at Roosevelt Ave - Jackson Heights -
there's already a terminal stop built at that station that wes never
used.
--Mark
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Posted by Paul on November 10, 1997 at 12:44:31:
As I recall someone on this site, I think Hank said that the
Tomkinsville,
Richmond Valley, Atlantic stations will sooon be condemned. They do
seem old and neglected. Are they going to repair Tomkinsville or knock
it down?
Also, just past Tomkinsville, they are building a bridge, to what and
where?
How far are Atlantic station from Richmond Valley? I ask because they
seem pretty close to each other. Why do the SIRR neglect some of it's
stations so badly. Tomkinsville, Richmond Valley, Atlantic seem like
they are falling apart.
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Posted by Paul on November 10, 1997 at 12:44:44:
As I recall someone on this site, I think Hank said that the
Tomkinsville,
Richmond Valley, Atlantic stations will sooon be condemned. They do
seem old and neglected. Are they going to repair Tomkinsville or knock
it down?
Also, just past Tomkinsville, they are building a bridge, to what and
where?
How far are Atlantic station from Richmond Valley? I ask because they
seem pretty close to each other. Why do the SIRR neglect some of it's
stations so badly. Tomkinsville, Richmond Valley, Atlantic seem like
they are falling apart.
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on November 10, 1997 at 13:04:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: walnut depot posted by Steve on November 09, 1997
at 14:55:53:
evidently you do not work for nyc transit. by closing walnut they will
activate greyhound which we had been using as a storage facility for
our si express buses during the day so its all related.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 10, 1997 at 14:35:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: walnut depot posted by trolleybus on November 10,
1997 at 13:04:22:
Please explain what Walnut Depot of the Bronx division has to do with
SI express buses. I'd undestand if you said that SI buses were laying
over at Walnut during the day, but I don't think that's the case. Also
Greyhound will be a Manhattan divison depot. I can't see why Walnut
would close before the new Colisuem opens, unless a mass bus movement
is about to take place.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 10, 1997 at 14:36:21:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Token booths posted by Steve on November 09, 1997
at 12:05:40:
The Broad Channel fire occurred in the early to middle 1980s, and
involved a bulletproof token booth similar to those in use today. What
this fire prompted was not the construction of armored booths, but
rather the installation of the Halon fire surpressant systems.
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Posted by Steve on November 10, 1997 at 17:25:24:
In Reply to: [7]Re: walnut depot posted by trolleybus on November 10,
1997 at 13:04:22:
Evidently you don't read as carefully as one might expect. I do in
fact work for the Department of Subways and prefaced my remarks by
saying that I do not know much about surface.
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 10, 1997 at 18:42:52:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Dave on
November 10, 1997 at 11:44:45:
Concerning the third question, I think what Dave is describing is at
Wilson Ave., not Belmont. The Wilson station originally had three
tracks. Just north of the station, a single-track line providing a
freight connection to the Milwaukee Road at Lower Buena Yard diverged,
passing the Wilson station on the west, and at a lower level than the
passenger tracks, eventually reaching ground level south of Montrose.
This connection was abandoned when CTA got out of the freight business
(mid-1970's?).
In the early 1950's, CTA rebuilt Wilson to provide a fourth passenger
track through the station area using the Lower Buena lead. A short
connection was built from the freight line back to the southbound
outer passenger tracks south of Wilson station, and a platform was
constructed next to the original Wilson station facing on the east
side of the freight line. This was, as I recall, connected to the
Wilson station house by a sort of ramp passing under the original
passenger tracks.
The "new" platform is no longer routinely used, and I'm not sure it's
still serviceable, or even in place. In the 1950's and early 1960's it
served southbound North Shore trains--just for arriving passengers, of
course; the North Shore carried no local passengers in CTA territory.
I believe that in the 1950's Evanston Shopper's Special trains, which
stopped at Wilson, also used this platform. In more recent times
Evanston Express trains bypassed Wilson using this line; very likely
they still do, but I would defer to someone with more recent knowledge
of CTA operations.
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Posted by Bryan L on November 10, 1997 at 19:53:52:
Does the TA still do routine graffiti "bombing" checks or even "raids"
at some times? What i mean is do they check for fresh graffiti on the
trains before they are put into service from the yard?
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 10, 1997 at 20:49:16:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Says goodbye to conductors posted by aaron on
November 10, 1997 at 09:05:25:
Nothing so drastic as left-handed operation will be needed (and,
anyway, what would that do for the still-numerous outside platforms?)
CTA is modifying its cars with "convertible" full-width cabs,
permitting the operator to close off the end when needed.
Modifications include partitions, left-side drop sashes and removal of
the frontmost seat to the now-unnecessary conductor's position. The
latest series of cars, the 3200's, had full-width cabs as delivered.
Anyone who can get hold of a copy of the Autumn 1997 First and Fastest
(the quarterly of the Shore Line Interurban Historical Society) can
find more details on the conversion program on page 5.
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Posted by Adam on November 10, 1997 at 22:56:06:
In Reply to: [7]Graffiti Checks posted by Bryan L on November 10, 1997
at 19:53:52:
I think that the policy the TA has is that no train is allowed into
service that has graffiti on it. While we're on the subject of
grafitti, I am nostalgic for the trains in the 80's that were covered
by graffiti. I actually liked how they looked, and I have been looking
for pictures of subway cars with grafitti on them but I have not been
able to find many good ones. Does anyone know a good place to find
them? Thanks in advance for letting me know. Also, I have another
question: When was graffiti finally eradicated in the subway? And also
when did subway cars begin to be covered in graffiti?
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on November 10, 1997 at 22:56:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Alan Follett
on November 10, 1997 at 18:42:52:
I have seen a track next to the Red line on the north end that sill
has trolley wire. It baout three of four stops south of Howard.
Where does it go? Is the wire hot?
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on November 10, 1997 at 23:54:32:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Token booths posted by Peter Rosa on November 10,
1997 at 14:36:21:
I am sure it was earlier than that. The fire I'm thinking of was set
by 3 miscreants who sought revenge against the token clerks who had
pointed them out as fare beaters. At that time, I was working in the
Broad Channel/Howard Beach area (not for the TA). That's why I'm sure
it was in the 70s
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on November 10, 1997 at 23:59:32:
In certain station, there is a sign that has a "T" surrounded by a red
circle. What does this sign mean?
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POSTER>Sammy
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Posted by Sammy on November 11, 1997 at 05:30:06:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 09, 1997 at 13:12:56:
Great ideas everyone. However:
(1) You used to be able to transfer with a chit ala the Franklin St.
Shuttle/A train. That was done away with a long time ago. As far as I
know, it can't be done with Metrocard, the same way you cannot
transfer from 21st/Van Alst to Hunters Point or Vernon Jackson (7
line)
(2) Connecting the M to the G would probably not increase traffic on
either line significantly, nor would it increase economics across such
a corridor. Why would M line riders transfer to the G? For G riders,
it is just as easy to take the L at Lorimer St. or the A at Hoyt for
service downtown.
(3) The growth of Greenpoint and Williamsburgh should make this
possible: build a new station past Greenpoint Avenue at the Newtown
Creek (Ash St), then have it come across the creek (like it does now),
building a new station at Vernon-Jackson to connect with the 7. Then
eliminate the underused 21/Van Alst station. It would eliminate a lot
of log jams at Queens Plaza and give G riders an extra option. At the
same time, there couyld be ferry service from the new Ash St. Station
to Manhattan, creating more revenue possibilities.
(4) extend the M, as one person says, to 74th/Roosevelt where the
extension was never used.
The problem with the G line is the dependency on other lines to get
into Manhattan. Unless more is done, it is sure to choke off any
economic gains made along the line in the last 10 years. That's what
happened when many of the Brooklyn els were shut down.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 11, 1997 at 09:06:27:
In Reply to: [7]T sign posted by David L. on November 10, 1997 at
23:59:32:
See [8]http://www.nycsubway.org/signals/, a complete guide to
signalling and trackside signage. That will probably have the answer
to your question.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 11, 1997 at 09:38:12:
In Reply to: [7]Free Subway Stuff for the Taking! posted by Andrew
Byler on November 09, 1997 at 19:47:03:
To all,
The free stuff is gone!
Andy Byler
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on November 11, 1997 at 10:04:37:
In Reply to: [7]T sign posted by David L. on November 10, 1997 at
23:59:32:
It means that at that station there is a transfer for the Boston "T".
Really!!! Honest!!! :) Actually, it means there is a system telephone
on the platform.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 11, 1997 at 14:04:37:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Joe M on
November 10, 1997 at 22:56:56:
I'd be surprised to learn that it actually still has wire, but you can
still see catenary posts along the outer southbound track between
Howard and Lawrence. This was last used for CTA's freight motors; the
last freight customer on the line, Lill Coal, quit using rail
something on the order of twenty years ago. Earlier, North Shore (and
possibly Evanston Express?) trains used the wire as well.
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on November 11, 1997 at 14:06:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting posted by Wayne
Johnson on November 10, 1997 at 14:35:34:
there will be areassignment. greyhound has been used by the si
division since sept 1995 to lay buses over during the day. we were
abruptly kicked out on 10/31/97 and told the depot must be made ready
to be an active depot since walnut will close.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 11, 1997 at 14:09:58:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Dave on
November 10, 1997 at 11:44:45:
Concerning Dave's item 1--the trackage near South Boulevard is the
remnants of a team track, apparently last used in 1964-5 (per First
and Fastest Autumn/Winter 1988, p.50)
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Posted by Subway Watchdog on November 11, 1997 at 15:06:13:
I was wondering what everybody thinks about crime in the subways these
days. I know the statistics say that it's down dramatically, but I
think what is more important than statistics is how people
subjectively feel when they are riding the subways. I actually feel a
lot safer, but I am still apprehensive whenever I am in the subway.
Has anybody recently experienced or witnessed a crime that has occured
in the subways? If you would like to share what has happened, I think
that it would be informative for everybody reading this board. Thanks!
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Posted by Subway Watchdog on November 11, 1997 at 15:22:52:
Does anyone know of secret entrances through which you can enter the
subway? I mean entrances that may lead into tunnels or abandoned parts
of the system. I would be really glad if you could share this
information with the rest of us. Thanks!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 11, 1997 at 15:25:12:
In Reply to: [7]Crime in the Subways posted by Subway Watchdog on
November 11, 1997 at 15:06:13:
Well, since you asked..
My subway riding patterns are somewhat erratic. I ride during rush
hour, weekends at any time of the day, late weekday evenings, and the
occasional very late ride back from Queens or someplace
(post-midnight).
I've *never* seen a violent crime (mugging, attacks, etc) on the
subway. (Panhandling, yes. Littering, yes. Mugging, no.) Obviously
they exist because you hear about them on the news, but since the news
would be boring if nothing bad happened, I think the reputation is no
longer deserved.
Of course, I'm not out at Kingston-Throop or New Lots at 2am flashing
a gold watch around. If you are, your experience might be completely
different.
-Dave
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POSTER>Subway Man
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SUBJECT>Let's take a poll!
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Posted by Subway Man on November 11, 1997 at 15:29:52:
What does everybody think the letter for the next new subway line
should be? I would like to see them use the letter H. I think that
there might have been an H train many years ago (Does anybody know
where it used to run?), but I just think that would be a good letter
for a subway line, better than all the other remaining letters. For
example, using the letter O would not be a good idea because it looks
like a zero (0). Also, using the letter I would be bad because it
looks like the number one (1). So I'm proposing an H for our next new
subway line what ever that may be.....?????
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on November 11, 1997 at 15:35:19:
In Reply to: [6]Let's take a poll! posted by Subway Man on November
11, 1997 at 15:29:52:
The H train technically still exists, although it shows up as a
shuttle on the map. The H train (Rockaway Shuttle) operates in Queens,
between Broad Channel and Rockaway Park. It used to extend from Euclid
Avenue, to Far Rockaway, and then across to Rockaway Park, but was cut
back a few years ago and is pubically known as the S train (on the
route signs and map, although I have never heard a New Yorker refer to
a shuttle as "The S Train").
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on November 11, 1997 at 15:58:52:
In Reply to: [7]Let's take a poll! posted by Subway Man on November
11, 1997 at 15:29:52:
The HH ran from Euclid Avenue to Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park from
the 60's into the 70's. Now, it is merely the S/Shuttle on subway maps
and other public documentation. However, the TA still uses the "H"
designation internally for that route (such as on their car assignment
lists, etc.) so I doubt they would use it for any other new line.
As we said a few weeks ago during the impending AMTRAK strike, anyone
want to take a P (train)?
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 16:05:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Restore "F" express service in Brooklyn. posted by
Shunya on November 05, 1997 at 19:35:24:
Here is small history that an NYCTA person told me in the 1970s why
the 1967-1970(?) combined F express, G (originally GG) local rush hour
service between Bergen Street and Church Avenue was eliminated.
Originally, all rush-hour F trains ran express between the two stops,
stopping only at 7th Avenue. The people at local stops in Park Slope
and Carroll Gardens complained that 1) they no longer had direct
service to Manhattan, 2) half of them had to then climb a flight of
stairs at Bergen Street, 3)the local did not run often enough. Also,
they were the majority of the F train riders, because the McDonald
Avenue line has low ridership. This is why at one time they could
provide F locals and F expresses south of Church Avenue.
They tried to fix this in 1969 by having half the F trains run local
between Bergen St. and Church Avenue, but this just ruined service for
everyone, all the way down McDonald Avenue.
Obviously the first two complaints are hard to fix. The third is easy,
just have extra short-run G trains terminate at the 3-track
Bedford-Nostrand Station. Then even if people have to change trains at
Bergen St. or 7th Avenue, they at least will not have a longer trip
home.
The G train problem on the Crosstown Line, the Bergen-Church Local
Express problem, the abandoned Court St. IND station, and the 60th St.
and 63rd St. Queens Plaza connections all stem from the original IND
plan to have no rush hour locals in Brooklyn or Queens go to
Manhattan. Since people loved expresses, and would switch to them as
soon as possible, only expresses from these two boroughs would go to
Manhattan. Locals would just be 3-car (or 6-car rush) trains to
connect people with the expresses.
What a mistaken idea that was, though logically it looks beautiful.
Soon the Court St. station was abandoned and all Fulton St. trains
went into Manhattan because of overcrowding. The 60th street
connection was built to have half the locals on the IND Queens line go
directly to Manhattan via Broadway (BMT). The 63rd St connection will
now allow ALL IND Queens Line locals to go into Manhattan, and G
trains will probably always terminate at Queens Plaza after that
connection is built.
What a lot of money spent because of being too clever by half in 1932!
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POSTER>PhatKat
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Posted by PhatKat on November 11, 1997 at 16:07:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Adam on November 10,
1997 at 22:56:06:
Although we may be a minority, I too enjoyed seeing graffiti art on
trains. There is a website called artcrimes (www.artcrimes.com) that
features 'tags' by graffiti artists on nyc subway trains. Some people
who do enjoy looking at different 'typefaces' or fonts, will agree
that block tag lettering is a true artform.
Peace.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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SUBJECT>Re: 63rd Street tunnel extension
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 16:07:51:
In Reply to: [6]63rd Street tunnel extension posted by Albert on
November 04, 1997 at 03:03:30:
2001. Now if they would only extend the E train through St. Albans on
one of the LIRR tracks the way they said they would 30 years ago...
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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SUBJECT>Franklin Avenue Shuttle
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 16:24:29:
There has over the years been a lot of discussion of the Franklin
Avenue Shuttle and whether to close it down or not. It would seem to
me that all that would be needed to replace lost Franklin Avenue
Service is to have the Atlantic Avenue/Pacific St. stations
(2,3,4,5,D,Q,B,M,N,R) connect through a new pedestrian tunnel, with
moving walkway if necessary to the Lafayette Avenue (A,C) and Fulton
St. (G) stations. Then Prospect Park, Eastern Parkway would have a
direct connection to the Fulton Street and Crosstown lines. Only the
Park Place people would have to walk down to Eastern Parkway.
I used to take the shuttle a lot as a teenager and really liked it,
but it seems to have completely worn out and be expensive to operate,
plus the inconvenience of those little tickets to transfer from the
elevated track to the subway track. I wonder if the NYCTA would
actually read this propose this simple (I think) yet useful change. A
new one-time construction cost has to be cheaper than running that
poor one-track line 24/7.
Any thoughts out there?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Re: Crime in the Subways
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 11, 1997 at 16:32:27:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by David Pirmann on
November 11, 1997 at 15:25:12:
Interesting that you mentioned how a person's perception of crime
might be different in a bad area (Kingston-Throop, New Lots) at 2 am.
I've heard that subway crime rates are highest not late at night, as
might be expected, but rather on weekday afternoons when the high
schools get out.
Going back to the original posting, in over three years of regular
subway riding (mostly rush hours), I haven't seen any serious
incidents.
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway Entrances
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on November 11, 1997 at
In Reply to: [7]Subway Entrances posted by Subway Watchdog on November
11, 1997 at 15:22:52:
Don't count on it. If you want to talk privately about this sort of
thing fine but please don't post about it. This site is not going to
condone trespassing.
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Posted by PhatKat on November 11, 1997 at 16:41:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by PhatKat on November 11,
1997 at 16:07:40:
The correct URL for Art Crimes is
http://artcrimes.gatech.edu/index.html
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 11, 1997 at 16:48:08:
In Reply to: [7]Let's take a poll! posted by Subway Man on November
11, 1997 at 15:29:52:
Not long ago I heard about a proposal to change the name of the
rush-hour 6 express to the 8. Apparently, the use of the 6 designation
was causing quite a bit of confusion. There is of course a precedent
for this renaming, with the 9 and the Z.
I don't know if this idea is still under active consideration.
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POSTER>Russ Hilder
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SUBJECT>Battery Runs and Express Trains
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Posted by Russ Hilder on November 11, 1997 at 16:51:25:
Not new to those of you in the big Apple, we, the cold Canadians up
here in TO, (Toronto, which was just amalgamated to make it the fourth
largest city in North America) our experimenting with a new method of
subway strategy, thanks to Mr. Joe Lawler, on loan from the MTA.
Delayed trains are now being expressed five or more stations to regain
headway time. Others our run out private to regain time from an end
terminal. So far the response from the public has been subdued. They
are as confused as the operating crews. Is this method commonplace in
NYC and does it work? Remember the TTC has only a two track system
with two major lines of some sixty miles in total. We are very
cosmopolitain city now with a 20% immigrent population.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 17:24:31:
In Reply to: [6]Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Russ Hilder
on November 11, 1997 at 16:51:25:
It's never done in NY as far as I know. In Washington, DC it is done
once in a while. The policy has never been publicized. Just every once
in a great while, the motorman says, "This train will not stop at the
following 2 (or 3) stations," then closes the doors. People have
written to the Washington Post's Traffic and Transit guy to complain.
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle
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Posted by subway-buff on November 11, 1997 at 17:37:11:
In Reply to: [7]Franklin Avenue Shuttle posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
November 11, 1997 at 16:24:29:
The TA did try to close it overnight in 1995( I think) and the
neighborhood folks griped loudly. They are planning on rebuilding the
line- see the official page for details (click capital projects from
the MTA home page).
They are planning on building a passageway between Botanic Garden
shuttle and Franklin Ave IRT (2,3,4,5). They are also planning on
building a combined entrance ,ADA compliant, between shuttle and the
IND platforms.
(The MTA page is at www.mta.nyc.ny.us)
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SUBJECT>How about restoring N express service?
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Posted by Bobw on November 11, 1997 at 17:56:27:
There have been postings on the restoration of F expresses in
Brooklyn. How about restoring N expresses in Manhattan? This was
always one of my favorite rides, and sadly it's suspended. I am sure
many riders would be overjoyed to see this return. Comments?
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on November 11, 1997 at 18:44:18:
In Reply to: [7]Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Russ Hilder
on November 11, 1997 at 16:51:25:
It happens FREQUENTLY here in Boston. In fact, just this evening on
the Green Line. I got on a Lechmere car at Park Street, destined for
North Station to catch my commuter train. I was standing in the front
(go figure!) and heard the Government Center Inspector call our car:
he told the operator to go express from Haymarket to Lechmere,
skipping North Station and Science Park. The operator announced this
at Haymarket, and nearly the entire car emptied -- as most at this
hour go to North Station. We then waited five mintues for the next
Lechmere-bound car to pick us up.
This also happens frequently on the Red Line, especially northbound
from Park Street towards Alewife, which things get backed up there
during rush hour.
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POSTER>Lefty
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Posted by Lefty on November 11, 1997 at 18:45:03:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Steve on November
07, 1997 at 00:17:49:
that sounds like a very good idea that i havent thought of at all and
i didnt see anyone on this site say anythign about it. it would also
help to reduce traffic into laguardia and JFK, and just give people
more options in general.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 11, 1997 at 19:05:23:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Carl M.
Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 17:24:31:
No, it most definitely is done in NYC. I can't give exact figures but
it seems that it happens mostly on the IRT lines in Manhattan where
local stops are many and close together. It happened to me just
recently on the #6 from Grand Central to 14th St. The train ran
express on the local track passing by people on the local stations in
between. This was during rush hour. Bonus for me, since I was heading
to City Hall, but it seems like it is more trouble than it is worth.
Skipping stops to make up time is probably cancelled out by the
confused and panic-ing people trying to get off the one train and then
onto the next train.
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Posted by Bobw on November 11, 1997 at 19:39:23:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by David
Pirmann on November 11, 1997 at 19:05:23:
It used to happen quite often on the Market-Frankford line here in
Phila. Trains would go express westbound at 30th St in the AM peak to
fill gaps. More often than not, even when supervisors and conductors
yelled thruout the train and platform that there would be no stops to
69th St, someone would miss the announcement and thus miss his/her
stop (the trains do not have PA systems). This is compounded by the
inability to leave a train at 69th and reboard the next inbound train
(the outbound and inbound platforms are separate and one must go thru
turnstiles to reach the inbound platform). Remaining on the train is a
risky option, since trains loop at 69th St, and sometimes they go to
the yard rather than return for another trip...
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on November 11, 1997 at 20:30:03:
In Reply to: [7]How about restoring N express service? posted by Bobw
on November 11, 1997 at 17:56:27:
I don't support the return of the N express, unless it is local in
Astoria because the N express skips some important stops on the
Astoria line, including Broadway, which I would venture to say is the
major stop in Astoria on the N line. If you don't believe me, stand in
the station during rush hour when a train comes in from Manhattan.
You'll probably be knocked down by the masses of people. Putting in
express service means fewer regular N trains, meaning fewer trains
stopping at Broadway and therefore the regular N trains will be much
more overcrowded than they already are, which I can't even imagine
happening.
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Posted by PAR on November 11, 1997 at 20:36:19:
When will the Port Authority of NY & NJ finally award the contract to
design, build, operate, and maintain the JFK-LRS? They already have
Mayor Giuliani's blessing. What are they waiting for? According to
their press release as of 3/12/97 (www.panynj.gov/pr/22-97.html), they
should of already completed their evaluation of the proposals sometime
this summer.
Of the five teams indicated by the P.A. as being pre-qualified:
1) Air-Rail Transit Consortium = Bombardier/Slattery/Perini/Karl
Koch/Skanska USA
2) JFK Link = GEC Alsthom/Fluor Daniel/Morse Diesel
3) JFK Express Transit = Siemens/Parsons/Matra/Schiavone/DeFoe/Halmar
4) Raytheon-Ansaldo = Ansaldo/Raytheon
5) Sky Rail Systems = ABB/Yonkers/Granite/Turner/ICF Kaiser
Which team would you bet on to win, and what do you imagine will the
light-rail vehicles look like?
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Posted by Adam on November 11, 1997 at 20:36:58:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by David
Pirmann on November 11, 1997 at 19:05:23:
I totally agree with you that this type of practice does occur in NYC.
Over the past summer, I was on an N train that was stuck at 42nd
Street for 5 minutes because the doors didn't close. Because of the
delay, and without warning, the doors finally closed and it was
announced that the next stop was 14th Street/Union Square. This caused
a widespread panic among the passengers and upon reaching 14th Street,
there was a huge number of people running across the station to the
other side, delaying the train going in the opposite direction for an
equally long time as the original train because of the sheer number of
people attempting to get on the train. So, no, I do not think that
this strategy works at all. At least they could have the decency to
tell the passengers about the skipped stops BEFORE the doors are
closed and the train is moving. The best policy is not to have delays
in the first place.
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Posted by John on November 11, 1997 at 20:39:24:
In Reply to: [6]JFK Light Rail System posted by PAR on November 11,
1997 at 20:36:19:
You're actually expecting the PANYNJ to get something done?? Oh, you
have a lot to learn!!
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Posted by John on November 11, 1997 at 20:47:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by David
Pirmann on November 11, 1997 at 19:05:23:
Not only that, but I have also been in the exact opposite situation -
an express train becoming local. A few months ago, going from Brooklyn
to Manhattan on the B train, the train stopped at all the stops
between 36th and Pacific, and also at DeKalb Avenue.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on November 11, 1997 at 20:50:35:
I just ran across a page about the Tandy subway in Fort Worth TX that
uses
PCC cars made to look like shoe boxes
here is the address http://www.flash.net/~cymartin/tandy.html
PCC's just keep getting recycled
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 11, 1997 at 21:01:49:
In Reply to: [7]How about restoring N express service? posted by Bobw
on November 11, 1997 at 17:56:27:
As long as the Manhattan Bridge is partially closed, N express service
in Manhattan would be impractical.
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Posted by Gerald on November 11, 1997 at 21:49:51:
Is the station depicted in the Die Hard 3 movie an actual mock up of
the
station? I was wondering, because of all the signs in the station.
-- Gerald
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If anyone knows out there on when the electronic desination reading
list will be updated for the R44 & R46 subway cars with neighborhoods
added to each end of a subway line, please post the message.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 11, 1997 at 23:01:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting posted by
trolleybus on November 11, 1997 at 14:06:42:
This is very interesting because the General Pick happens in a couple
of weeks, perhaps in preparation for some major movement. Maybe Mother
Hale, 100 St and Amsterdam will go to Westside Depot and Walnuts lines
will be split amoung the Bronx Division. I currently work in Amsterdam
and latest rumour is that we will be staying another year at present
location.
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway-Airport Link Light Rail Els
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 11, 1997 at 23:16:19:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Annonymous, but
informed on November 09, 1997 at 00:27:31:
Trolleys are what Light Rail Vehicle's are called NOW. Els are related
to rapid transit systems but trolleys have ran on ELs.
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Posted by David L. on November 11, 1997 at 23:21:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by David
Pirmann on November 11, 1997 at 19:05:23:
I can say that the G train has done this quite often in the morning
rush and during midday because it's behind schedule. Sometimes during
the morning rush when the Brooklyn-Bound G is behind schedule...it
runs express from Nassau Ave, to Metropolitan Ave, and then to
Clinton-Washington. Then it resumes normal service. And during the
middays when the Forest Hills-bound is behind schedule...it runs
express from either Queens Plaza or Roosevelt Ave.
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POSTER>Adam
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SUBJECT>Re: Graffiti Checks
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Posted by Adam on November 11, 1997 at 23:57:38:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by PhatKat on November 11,
1997 at 16:41:54:
Thanks for the info!
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In Reply to: [7]Does anyone knows on when the electronic desination
reading list will be updated for the R44 & R46 subway cars. posted by
Mike on November 11, 1997 at 22:10:18:
Currently, there is no immediate need to update the list. There are
already over 1000 different messages downloaded into the Sign Control
Units which each 'A' car has. The messages are written on any standard
PC and then downloaded to a Message Transfer Unit (MTU). The MTU is
then used to update the memory of the SCU on each 'A' car. The message
list can easily be updated as needed.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on November 12, 1997 at 01:00:29:
In Reply to: [7]Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Russ Hilder
on November 11, 1997 at 16:51:25:
Battery runs are most definitely used on the NYCT. More frequently
that we'd like to think. It's not a new or unique concept. I'm quite
sure that transit properties across North America & possibly around
the world use this method of operation when necessary.
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POSTER>SI Rider
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Posted by SI Rider on November 12, 1997 at 08:02:05:
In Reply to: [7]SIRR station stops posted by Paul on November 10, 1997
at 12:44:44:
Atlantic and Nassau might be closed and replaced with one new station
at
Arthur Kill Road called 'Arthur Kill'. Tompkinsville has not been
mentioned
as destined for closure. The Atlantic and Nassau stations are rarely
used
by commuters.
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Posted by All aboard on November 12, 1997 at 08:20:45:
In Reply to: [6]Who's Got the Mineola (Re: Can anyone clear up an
Urban Ledgeand??) posted by Mark S Feinman on November 07, 1997 at
12:04:17:
The sidings are just GCT storage tracks that dead-end northbound at
the
hotel (any good book on GCT has a track map). I doubt that any kind of
passenger service ever was at that location, even for the President.
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POSTER>Beep Beep
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Posted by Beep Beep on November 12, 1997 at 08:35:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997 posted by sdc on
November 05, 1997 at 12:08:09:
The Richmond Parkway was re-named the 'Korean War Veterans Memorial
Parkway'. The new signs should be up in '98 or '99.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on November 12, 1997 at 08:59:35:
In Reply to: [7]JFK Light Rail System posted by PAR on November 11,
1997 at 20:36:19:
At the meeting of the New York Division of the ERA on Fri 21 November,
the topic will be the JFK Light Rail System. As I recall, the guest
speaker is from the PA and involved with the project. I'll post the
particulars when I find the meeting announcement.
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Posted by Justin Huntsman on November 12, 1997 at 09:20:16:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Peter Rosa on
November 11, 1997 at 16:32:27:
I'm going to be in NYC mid December. I am considering late night
subway trips to battery park (I want to take the Staten Island ferry)
and City Hall (I want to walk across the Brooklyn bridge). Does anyone
see a problem with late night subway travel to these places (I'm
staying in times square)?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 12, 1997 at 09:38:43:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Justin Huntsman on
November 12, 1997 at 09:20:16:
I don't see any particular risks with the subway trips you mentioned.
Subway crime rates are low enough that they shouldn't be a worry. In
addition, traveling within Manhattan, especially below 96th Street or
thereabouts, will avoid the areas where crime rates might be the
highest.
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Posted by Dave on November 12, 1997 at 09:48:44:
In Reply to: [7]Die Hard 3 - Wall Street Station posted by Gerald on
November 11, 1997 at 21:49:51:
It's a mock-up. The "station" was created in the basement of a
building in the financial district.
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on November 12, 1997 at 10:02:41:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Alan Follett
on November 11, 1997 at 14:09:58:
A team track, you say. VERY interesting! Where did the freight motors
deliver to?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 10:59:07:
In Reply to: [7]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting posted by
trolleybus on November 11, 1997 at 14:06:42:
I'm aware of the SI buses laying over at Greyhound (but unaware that
it had ended. Where are they (SI buses) laying over now during the
day? I always wondered why they didn't use the old MABSTOA 54th Street
depot. Is it possible that some SI buses cold be using Hudson depot
during the day. I have seen SI buses at Hudson and my guess is they
are taken there when they have mechanical problems in Manhattan.
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 12, 1997 at 11:07:26:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Justin Huntsman on
November 12, 1997 at 09:20:16:
If you're the unsure type-- i.e. don't look confident when travelling
in new areas -- then you will be at higher risk. I'm not sure I'd want
to walk the Bk. Br late at night under any circumstances...
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 11:12:17:
In Reply to: [7]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting General Pick
posted by Fernando Perez on November 11, 1997 at 23:01:00:
If Walnut closes soon the Bronx buses will once again be left with
only two depots (KB and Gun Hill) It's already happened when KB was
demolished and built again. What I don't understand is why Mother Hale
is part of the Bronx division - They only have one Bronx route (BX33)
and for as long as I can remember they have never handled more than
one Bronx. Years ago the M Hale (then it was 146th Street depot)
operated the old BX30 route which was later combined with the old BX31
to form the current BX19 which is a Walnut route.
But the question still remains - what will happen with the SI express
buses that normally layover in Manhattan during the day? In the worst
case scenario they would have to deadhead back to their depots which
is certainly not a good idea.
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Posted by aaron on November 12, 1997 at 11:13:30:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Alan Follett
on November 11, 1997 at 14:04:37:
I don't believe the North Shore or the Evanston Express trains used
this
wire. The Evanston trains pulled down their trolley poles at South
Blvd.
and the North Shore trains took the third rail at Crawford Avenue.
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Posted by aaron on November 12, 1997 at 11:16:11:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Dave on
November 10, 1997 at 11:44:45:
In response to #1: I recall seeing work trains stored there about
three
years ago. South Blvd used to be where the Evanston trains switched
from
third rail to overhead trolley wire. This was converted to third rail
in
the mid '70s
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 12, 1997 at 11:20:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How about restoring N express service? posted by
Adam on November 11, 1997 at 20:30:03:
The Express service referred to by others is from 57 St. to Canal
Street. Unfortunately, this line (Broadway BMT) that goes to the most
places has the fewest trains (N, R). If a third train could run on
that line, then 2 locals and an express would work out great. Maybe
when the 63 St. connection is finished....
BTW, I tell friends who are unfamiliar with NYC to try to use the N,R
line exclusively, if they can. It goes nearly everywhere visitors want
to go, and there are no branches or expresses in Manhattan. I give
them a list: Bloomingdales, Plaza Hotel and FAO Schwarz, Carnegie
Hall, Bway theaters, Times Sq, Macy's, Flatiron Bldg, Greenwich
Village, SoHo, Chinatown, Wall Street, the ferries to Ellis Island,
all on one line. No other line is as perfect.
I have never fully accepted that the fast way from southern Brooklyn
to Manhattan is via 6th Avenue. It is so dull and inconvenient
compared to the Broadway Line.
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 12, 1997 at 11:22:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Light Rail System posted by Todd Glickman on
November 12, 1997 at 08:59:35:
How does one join the Electric Railroaders' Association?
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on November 12, 1997 at 11:22:22:
In Reply to: [6]Tandy faux PCC cars from real PCC parts posted by Joe
M on November 11, 1997 at 20:50:35:
The Tandy cars arn't "faux" PCC cars, they're recycled Washington DC
PCC cars that were altered for the Leonard's /Tandy subway. The bodies
(circa 1944 - 45) just wore out. The boxy bodies were constructed by
Tandy itself and the rest of the components were transferred to the
new bodies. The process was similar to what has been done in New
Orleans and Portland. Mechanicaly the cars are all PCC cars, but none
use "PCC" bodies. The process has been going on forever - Chicago,
Cleveland New York and Boston all had rapid transit cars that used
ERPCC components (in Chicago's case, PCC streetcars were recycled by
St. Louis Car into "L" cars, making them True PCC rapid transit cars.
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Posted by Lou on November 12, 1997 at 11:44:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How about restoring N express service? posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on November 12, 1997 at 11:20:26:
I heard before everyone was talking about how bad the Manhattan Bridge
is that the Q would be rerouted Browadway express through the 63rd
street tunnel.
Now that they say the Bridge might not even carry rail traffic in the
near futrue I don't know if that plan is being rethought...
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on November 12, 1997 at 11:52:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Carl M.
Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 17:24:31:
I've been on many a battery run. Also have been on a 6th Ave express
like the Q gets rerouted to the Local Track at 47/50 Rock and runs to
West 4th street blowing it's horn though the two local stops (23rd and
14th St).
On the Staten Island Railway a two track operation, if the train is
late St. George Bound for any reason they will run Express through
stops to make the Ferry Departure and announce pax can get the
outbound train at St.George for the missed stops. No one says anything
about the pax at the passed stations...
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POSTER>Gerald
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Posted by Gerald on November 12, 1997 at 12:22:01:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Die Hard 3 - Wall Street Station posted by Dave on
November 12, 1997 at 09:48:44:
I was pretty sure it was a mockup...not like they'd destroy a station.
Was the props and signs in the "station" set up in a similar manner to
the actual station?
-- Gerald
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Posted by trolleybus on November 12, 1997 at 12:23:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting posted by Wayne
Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 10:59:07:
si express buses are now returning to their respective depots(Yukon
and Castleton and Brooklyn buses to ulmer park.)the buses you see by
hudson are breakdowns. the NYCTA has had to increase our pay
accordingly.
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 12, 1997 at 12:28:09:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by aaron on
November 12, 1997 at 11:13:30:
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 12, 1997 at 12:40:30:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by aaron on
November 12, 1997 at 11:13:30:
I don't have my reference material at hand, but I'm pretty sure
there's a photo in Middleton's _North Shore, America's Fastest
Interurban_ of a southbound North Shore train coming around the curve
at Loyola with poles up. If so, this must have meant that they
switched from trolley to third rail at Crawford or South Blvd., then
back to trolley at Howard, and then back again to third rail somewhere
around Wilson. If true, it does seem a bit strange. Can anyone
confirm?--I'd hate to think I've reached the point of traction-related
hallucinations! (If no confirmation comes in during the day, I'll
unbury the book tonight and see if my memory is to be trusted.)
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Posted by Justin Huntsman on November 12, 1997 at 12:50:19:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by David Pirmann on
November 12, 1997 at 11:07:26:
Thanks for the reply's. What about walking the Bk. Br in the evening
time; say before 10:00pm? I'm not really the unsure type and I try to
look confident all the time :) All kidding aside I understand what
your saying. An unconfident person wantering around looking confused
is going to be a higher risk.
I really want to walk the bridge, but the earliest I can get there is
~8:00pm. Is this too late?
Justin
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 12, 1997 at 13:26:29:
In Reply to: [6]Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Russ Hilder
on November 11, 1997 at 16:51:25:
Russ, tell my old colleague Joe to keep it up, as this practice is
indeed widespread. Within a system that is inherently INflexible, one
has to buck past practice to infuse a little operating efficiency.
None of my Chicago neighbors have chimed in, but you will also
occasionally see this on the CTA. Was on a Blue Line some years back
(before it was the Blue Line) in the Loop and all of a sudden, without
warning, the conductor said, "Next stop, River Road" As I was
borderline on being late to catch a flight, boy was I thrilled!!
I mean Russ, you already have the TO (train operator) on the left and
use a wide gauge, so why buck the trend any further!! (Just kidding,
Russ!) Sorry about the Leafs, BTW.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 12, 1997 at 13:30:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting General Pick
posted by Wayne Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 11:12:17:
Fernando, if you are a Manhattan driver, do you stay in Manhattan?
What are the options to move to any of the other boroughs? Would
someone from your depot be able to move to Casey Stengel, say, and
vice versa? Never knew, so any help would be appreciated.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 13:55:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Carl M.
Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 17:24:31:
Carl,
I guess you were just missing these Battery runs, because they are
definitely common in NYC. In fact on Lexington Avenue I've seen #6
trains get rerouted to the express tracks as well as them making
express stops along the local tracks. On the other hand, I now use the
Red line on WMATA daily and I've yet to see a battery run on this
system.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 12, 1997 at 13:59:05:
In Reply to: [6]Franklin Avenue Shuttle posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
November 11, 1997 at 16:24:29:
I hate to see any remnants of the "old system" go, but I have to admit
that the shuttle as now operated is a very poor use of funds. The
Franklin Ave transfer that I used for access to Coney Island in the
50's was very heavily used, because trains ran thru from Fulton to
Coney, at least in the Summer season. My folks accepted this as "the
way to go" because they grew up using the Fulton Street El, especially
my Mom who attended Girl's Commercial High School which was somewhere
near the Botanic Gardens station. I still remember one trip to Coney
on the D train from the connection across the platform at Jay St. from
the A in the early 60's, not realizing that this was newly available.
I always chalked our use of the Franklin-Brighton route as force of
habit, which seems to be all that is keeping it alive to this day.
Lets face it, if the Myrtle could be shut down south of Broadway,
there is little excuse for the Franklin Shuttle.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 12, 1997 at 15:29:43:
In Reply to: [6]Can anyone clear up an Urban Ledgeand?? posted by
Philip Nasadowski on November 06, 1997 at 23:49:46:
The Waldorf-Astoria platform connection was used by presidents other
than Roosevelt, during the era when the railroads were "THE way to
travel. Eisenhower may have been the last one do do so, as he was also
the first to have a presidential plane, even if it was a 300mph
Constellation. I distinctly remember the newspaper coverage of him
using the platform, as that was the first time I heard of its
existance.
I don't know the definiteive answer on the Mineola, but have never
seen a photo of it on IRT property. I'm not sure it met IRT
clearances, and dispite rumors, every reputable source I have read
states that the track connecting IRT and LIRR was never put down,
although the tunnel is there. Augie Belmont had plenty of properties
to visit without soiling his silks on IRT property.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 15:54:56:
In Reply to: [7]Re: General Pick (To Fernando) posted by Charles Fiori
on November 12, 1997 at 13:30:23:
I always thought that a switch such as the one Charles is asking about
is more involved (if possible?) because it involves going from a
MABSTOA depot to a NYCTA depot. A few years back when MABSTOA was
hiring bus operators, I was a candidate but I already knew that I
would have wanted to drive for NYCTA, preferrebly a Queen Village or
Jamaica depot route - but while I was at 370 Jay St no one seemed to
know what was involved to switch between MABSTOA and NYCTA. They just
asked why? I'm sure Fernando will have the answer.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 12, 1997 at 16:01:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Peter Rosa on
November 12, 1997 at 09:38:43:
If nothing too unpleasant presents itself at night getting to a Times
Square subway station, the other two stops should be a piece of cake!
I would suggest crossing the bridge in the Brooklyn to Manhattan
direction, as the City Hall area has more and busier stations, and
finding the well lit bridge in Brooklyn is far easier than hunting for
Clark st or High st. in the dark.
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I noticed that the tunnels on the subway in Boston are well lit - Is
this why MBTA trains operate without their headlights on in the
tunnels?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 12, 1997 at 16:19:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: General Pick (To Fernando) posted by Wayne Johnson
on November 12, 1997 at 15:54:56:
Yes, Wayne, you hit the nail on the head. Having worked at 370 Jay
Street myself (1980-82), I can attest to the often maddening inability
to get even the simplest questions answered. I thought, however, that
the distinctions between MaBSTOA and TA Bus services had been blurred.
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Posted by Russ Hilder on November 12, 1997 at 17:17:36:
Thanks to all those who replied about the Battery Runs and Expressing
of trains in delays. We average about 10 to 20 mins. per day in delays
for the usual, doors, sick patrons, injured and fights onboard. That
does'nt count the pranksters who push the PAA Alarm strips then take
off. The Express strategy appears to be working and its easier then
short turning trains all the time. We also change over crews but that
is time consuming because of the uneven headways. Anyway it should be
interesting in how the application of NYC and Boston and Philly subway
system operations will work up here in Toronto. We are being less
British and more American every day. Can you say eh? Ya'll
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 17:30:50:
In Reply to: [7]Re: General Pick (To Fernando) posted by Charles Fiori
on November 12, 1997 at 16:19:08:
Charles,
It did seem as they (NYCTA and MaBSTOA) were merging when all buses
were identified as "New York City Transit Authority", but today it
seems that MaBSTOA is still very much alive internally. I remember
when I was a kid NYCTA and MaBSTOA were very much separate - as when
buses were transferred to another depot they didn't cross that
NYCTA/MaBSTOA line. Even when new buses were delivered the TA buses
always had lower fleet number than those that were assigned to MaBSTOA
depots. Even to this day it seems sort of strange to me when buses are
transferred between NYCTA and MABSTOA depots.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on November 12, 1997 at 18:27:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Customer Information posted by Steve on November
08, 1997 at 20:45:18:
JUst wanted to add that the other night on "Trains Unlimited",they
showed the AMTRAK control center with its satellite positioning and
all that, so it can't be too far out of the question for that sort of
thing for the subway!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Let's take a poll!
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 12, 1997 at 19:13:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by John on November 11,
1997 at 15:35:19:
What's this fascination with P trains? As far as I can see,
K,T,U,V,W,X and Y are available, if you eliminate I and O as being too
likely to look like 1 and 0. It is possible that MTA considers P to
look like R , and has thus already left it out of the seqence. This
also might explain not using K as it can be confused with H.
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Posted by Brian Wolk on November 12, 1997 at 19:37:54:
I finally found an amazing TTC website, since they don't have an
official one yet.
It's
-- http://web.idirect.com/~ttc
It offers great information and pictures, and is constantly updated.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 12, 1997 at 19:50:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 09, 1997 at 13:12:56:
I have never understood the GG line. It was left dangling for years at
Nassau st.(Greenpoint) in the 30's. I often thought that they had
second thoughts about it at that time, but having comitted the funds
to shield-tunnel under Newtown Creek nobody dared drop it. Consider
also that original IND plans were designed to duplicate and out-do the
BMT. There is no doubt that the Bedford-Nostrand center track was
supposed to continue up Lafayette to steal business from the Myrtle
Ave. What it would have done around Broadway is not clear, but now
that Myrtle is gone, how much would it take to re-hook a line at the
upper level at Broadway. And then there is always the unknown need for
six tracks in the never completed station at Union st. in
Williamsburg. Perhaps two of these were to hook to the GG in some
fashion? (Yes,I know they want us to say "G" now, but it was GG for
40+ years, and I am an old dog incapable of learning new tricks,
especially STUPID ones!)
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POSTER>Justin Huntsman
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Posted by Justin Huntsman on November 12, 1997 at 20:04:08:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 12, 1997 at 16:01:22:
Gary Jacobi wrote: I would suggest crossing the bridge in the Brooklyn
to >Manhattan direction, as the City Hall area has more and busier
stations, >and finding the well lit bridge in Brooklyn is far easier
than hunting for >Clark st or High st. in the dark.
This confuses me a little. If I'm reading this correctly, I should
take the subway to the "High St/Brk bridge" stop -in Brooklyn. Then
walk over to Manhattan? I was under the impression it would be safer
to get off at the "City Hall/Brk bridge" stop in Manhattan. I want to
walk east (to Brooklyn) and then come back to the City Hall stop in
Manhattan for my return trip.
Shoul I avoid the Manhattan bridge stop or the Brooklyn bridge stop?
Justin
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 12, 1997 at 20:53:43:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Alan Follett
on November 12, 1997 at 12:40:30:
Well, I'm not crazy; or at least my recollections of North Shore under
wire on the "L" can't be cited in evidence. The photo I remembered
from Middleton is indeed there, on page 118. More detail comes from
George W. Campbell's _North Shore Line Memories_, p. 233:
"Southbound trains ran on trolley south of Howard to Granville
Avenue...where the power source became third rail, although the
overhead continued south to Montrose Avenue."
The question of why southbound North Shore trains didn't remain on
third rail all the way from Crawford or South Blvd. to the Loop
remains, I think, unanswered.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 12, 1997 at 21:34:10:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Justin Huntsman on
November 12, 1997 at 20:04:08:
Walking the bridge in the Brooklyn-to-Manhattan direction is a better
choice because you'll be facing in the more scenic direction. Lower
Manhattan at night is quite a sight, whereas views of Brooklyn are
okay but unspectacular.
In addition, as the prior posting stated, the stations on the Brooklyn
end of the bridge can be a bit hard to find after dark. On the
Manhattan side the subway station (Brooklyn Bridge - City Hall) is
right there when you get off the bridge walkway.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on November 12, 1997 at 23:44:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tandy faux PCC cars from real PCC parts posted by
Dan Lawrence on November 12, 1997 at 11:22:22:
I know trucks and a controler make a PCC but... The parts live on.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 13, 1997 at 00:11:57:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Dave on
November 12, 1997 at 10:02:41:
A team track is a site for receipt or delivery of goods for customers
not having their own sidings; in the case of the South Blvd. team
track, the last specific shipment I can find mentioned was a boxcar of
Texaco motor oil shipped from Beaumont, TX to a gas station in
Evanston in 1958 (First and Fastest, Spring 1988, p.24). This was
still described as the CMStP&P team track, though it would have been
switched by CTA.
Later correspondence in F&F mentions boxcars on the team track as late
as 1964 or 1965, but the nature of the traffic is not specified.
The Howard St/Evanston line had a number of customers with sidings.
The last and largest was Lill Coal north of Berwyn Ave. in Chicago,
but there were also a warehouse at Wilson Av., Consumers Co. just
south of Howard, and Mears Slayton Lumber, Traders Building Material,
and North Shore Stone just north of Howard. There was also a small
freight yard, probably including another team track, at Church St. in
Evanston, reportedly in use as late as 1960, and a coal yard at Noyes
on the north side of Evanston. This list may not be complete; I'm
going by maps in CERA B-115.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting 54 St depot
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 13, 1997 at 01:25:46:
In Reply to: [7]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting posted by Wayne
Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 10:59:07:
54 Street depot is a long gone memory as it has been torn down for a
new subway command center.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: General Pick (To Fernando)
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 13, 1997 at 02:18:09:
In Reply to: [7]Re: General Pick (To Fernando) posted by Wayne Johnson
on November 12, 1997 at 17:30:50:
At Mabstoa we can only pick into another Mabstoa garage at the general
pick without losing our senoirity. The only way to change to TA is to
take a TA bus operator test. MABSTOA has its advantages, namely we
dont lose senoirity in garage picks, we are not civil service. However
we cannot take TA promotional tests like Train Operator. I was hired
from a list that when you were called to 1250 Broadway. you were given
a choice of TA or OA. I took OA because I live several blocks away
from Amsterdam and Manhattanville depots. Walking distance! In the
summer I went to the CMB at EAst New York depot and I noticed buses
from all over there. I do think in the future the two systems will be
united. I hope, so I can take the Train Operator test! Until then, all
I will be able to operate all the trolleys at Branford.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 13, 1997 at 02:23:32:
In Reply to: [7]Re: walnut depot/Re:Trolleybus posting General Pick
posted by Fernando Perez on November 11, 1997 at 23:01:00:
Whats also strange is that KB is in Manhattan also. I never understood
why Walnut couldn't have the BX33, only 3 or 4 buses run all day on
it. Also, why does the M60 not come out of Jackie Gleason. Not to
mention the q32's being split between a OA and TA depot!
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POSTER>Sammy
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Posted by Sammy on November 13, 1997 at 03:09:05:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Gary Jacobi on November
12, 1997 at 19:50:45:
I think everyone's comments have been right on considering subway
transit on Brooklyn's "east coast". As anyone who has walked around
Williamsburgh these days knows, the demographics have completely
shifted, placing an enormous burden on the J, M, G and L lines. If you
don't realize this, take the L train from Graham Avenue on a Monday
morning at 8:00 am, or for that matter, Bedford Avenue at night.
If the M, J combines with the G, it wouldn't do much for either line.
G riders rather take the A at Hoyt for downtown; M, J riders already
have passage to Manhattan. Since the L is a two-track system, any
delays along the line are felt and rather strongly too. Another
cross-river line is needed, either along the L, or maybe the G can be
diverted to a new Rutgers Street tunnel to run along the F to the east
village. We'll call that the "V" train. Again, I think the way to go
is also to provide a G transfer to the 7 at Vernon-Jackson in Long
Island City.
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on November 13, 1997 at 09:01:05:
In Reply to: [7]Re: JFK Light Rail System posted by Todd Glickman on
November 12, 1997 at 08:59:35:
The New York Division of the ERA will meet on Friday, 21 November at
7:15 p.m. (doors open at 6:15 p.m.) The program will be a presentation
on the Port Authority's new light rail system from Jamaica to JFK,
presented by Patty Clark, Outreach Manager for New York Airport Access
from PANYNJ.
The meeting will be held at the College of Insurance building, 101
Murray Street, between Greenwich and West Streets. By subway, use the
Chambers Street station of the 1,2,3 and walk 1-1/2 blocks south then
1-1/2 blocks west. Admission for non-members of the New York Division
of the ERA is $5.
I hope to be there, and it would be good to meet other SubTalkers
(I'll be wearing a CBS News baseball cap).
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 09:01:47:
EASY BOSTON SUBWAY QUIZ - Here are the answers:
1. Name the system's deepest underground station.
Porter Sq. on the Red Line (used to be Aquarium on the Blue Line)
2. Name the only Rapid Transit Station to and from which a double fare
is charged.
Braintree
3. What do the Charlestown and Longfellow Bridges have in common?
Both were constructed with provisions to add a rapid transit line at a
later date.
4. What was Government Center Station was previously known as?
Scollay Sq. (also Brattle St. and Scollay Under)
5. How could you get Charlie off the MTA?
According to the Kingston Trio version (last verse):
Now good citizens of Boston
Don't you think its a scandal
How the people have to pay and pay
Fight the fare increase
Vote for George O'Brien
Get poor Charlie off the MTA
6. What station has the longest distance between its northbound and
southbound platforms?
State - almost three blocks
7. What historic building has a subway lobby in its basement?
The Old State House - entrance to Blue and Orange Lines
8. In 1924 Patriots Day and Easter fell on the same weekend. What
major change happened on the Boston Elevated?
The East Boston Tunnel (Blue Line) was converted from streetcar to
high platform rapid transit.
9. What do Cabot, Cadigan and Codman have in common?
Yards on the Red Line - Cabot in South Boston, Codman near Ashmont and
Cadigan at Braintree
10. What is the significance of 12:50 AM.
All trains wait downtown at 12:50 AM to insure that no connections are
missed. Except for a Beacon St. run returning from Lechmere, these are
the last trains outbound from downtown until 5:30 AM.
I was disappointed at how few people attempted this.
Gerry
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POSTER>Fred Wellman
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Posted by Fred Wellman on November 13, 1997 at 09:29:30:
In Reply to: [7]MBTA Question posted by Wayne Johnson on November 12,
1997 at 16:01:46:
10 Years ago they were using headlights. I did notice on the Green
line they would shut the lights off when approaching a trolley going
in the other direction. I am not sure now.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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SUBJECT>Re: Crime in the Subways (Brooklyn Bridge Trip)
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 13, 1997 at 09:31:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Peter Rosa on
November 12, 1997 at 21:34:10:
Take the A train and get off at High Street in Brooklyn. (Clark St. is
quite far and going from there to the Bklyn Br. is confusing unless
you know Bklyn Hts. fairly well.)
Anyway, the steps up to the bridge are right there, where one of the
first large "pillars" is. It looks like a flat wall until you get
close. Actually at night look for the street ramp onto the pedestrian
walkway. And stay on the pedestrian side while walking; the bicylists
are very unforgiving.
On the Manhattan end, the Lexington Avenue Bklyn Bridge station is
right there, and on the other side of City Hall is the BMT Broadway
line. The former goes to Grand Central, the latter to Times Sq. (as we
all know, but just in case...).
The B->M view is much nicer than the M->B view. The entire bridge is
just wonderful, unless you're driving on it in heavy fast-moving
traffic.
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Posted by DAve on November 13, 1997 at 09:34:58:
In Reply to: [7]Boston Transit Quiz - Answers posted by Gerry O'Regan
on November 13, 1997 at 09:01:47:
>
It's a NYC subway board, Gerry, not an MBTA board. I guess most of the
regulars are much more knowledgable about the TA than the T. I enjoyed
the quiz, nonetheless...I've been riding the T for about 30 years now
(on trips to Boston) and remember the PCC's on the Green Line quite
well - there are two of them awaiting restoration (still in T paint
and logo scheme) at the Illinois Railway Museum. I also remember
seeing the Type 5 snow sweepers at Reservior. Took the blue line
subway to Logan Airport and Aquarium a few times, too...even went out
to the amusement park once via the subway (that was the last stop on
the line, wasn't it?)
Many years ago I read a science fiction short story about a group of
passengers riding the T and they notice they keep passing the same
stations and are unable to get off of their PCC car. Turns out, the
subway portion of the T turned into a mobious strip and there was no
way out or off. Neat story!
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POSTER>Russ Hilder
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Posted by Russ Hilder on November 13, 1997 at 09:37:09:
You can also find a very good site at
http://www.toptown.com/hp/huities/ttc/
Done a student who loves the underground rail
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on November 13, 1997 at 09:47:41:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Wayne
Johnson on November 12, 1997 at 13:55:05:
Why are they called Battery Runs?
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POSTER>fotios
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Posted by fotios on November 13, 1997 at 11:16:46:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Adam on November 10,
1997 at 22:56:06:
hey, Adam.
You are sick, how can you like or even be nostalgic for subway
graffiti.
Sherman
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POSTER>fotios
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SUBJECT>NYD-ERA Membership Questions (C.l.Rabbin)
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Posted by fotios on November 13, 1997 at 11:20:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Light Rail System +NY ERA Question posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on November 12, 1997 at 11:22:01:
call 212-986-4482, and talk to an answering machine saying you want
membership information and in a week you'll get all you need to know
on how to join.
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POSTER>fotios-sdc
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SUBJECT>Re: Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997
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Posted by fotios-sdc on November 13, 1997 at 11:31:57:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Street Renamings NYC 1995-1997 posted by Beep Beep
on November 12, 1997 at 08:35:51:
79th st in manhattan bet. the Park and Madison has been renamed
Patriarch Bartholomew way for the Ecumenical patriarch of
Constantinople (ahem Istanbul)
fotios
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 13, 1997 at 11:37:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Crime in the Subways posted by Justin Huntsman on
November 12, 1997 at 20:04:08:
Sorry to have confused you; I didn't occur to me that you were
intending to cross AND return. If you still intend to do this, by all
means start and end at City Hall. My main concern was not only finding
the Brooklyn Stations in the dark, but also waiting at a rather
deserted platform, which the Brooklyn ends of the Tunnels tend to be.
As for the Staten Island Ferry, Battery park is well lit. Check with
others on this site as to whether or not they will let you stay aboard
at the St. George terminal. They didn't used to, but I understand they
no longer collect a fare, so they might not clear the boat. Also check
on what the schedules shrink down to later at night.
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POSTER>kapitanios Fotios Makritoxonis-Sherman Cheung
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SUBJECT>Street renamings Update
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Posted by kapitanios Fotios Makritoxonis-Sherman Cheung on November
to those who have asked what other street was renamed try this one,
its in Manhattan on 79th street between 5th and madison or is it on
park anyway
that little stretch is now known as "Patriarch Bartholomew Way" for
the Ecumenical patriarchate of Constantinople. (Ahem Cough cough
"Istanbul")
Now, if they would only extend that honor to Jiang Ze-min or lee
teng-hui and rename Mott street.
fotios , Sherman Cheung
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POSTER>fotios
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SUBJECT>Re: Let's take a poll!
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Posted by fotios on November 13, 1997 at 11:58:13:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 12, 1997 at 19:13:05:
we are running out of options.
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POSTER>Keith
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Posted by Keith on November 13, 1997 at 11:59:07:
Does anyone know where the South Beach Statern Island Railrioad is
located.
I noted that most of it has been destroyed and there are warehouses
built
on top on the right-of-way. I walked along Edgewater Street but did
not find a trace of the old tracks. I didn't see any bridges either.
According to this site, there should be.
Can anyone clarify this?
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Philadelphia Transit Website?
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Posted by John on November 13, 1997 at 12:08:05:
If Phildelphia transit has a website and, if you know the address,
could you please post it? Thanks.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 12:20:42:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MBTA Question posted by Fred Wellman on November
13, 1997 at 09:29:30:
Headlights are required underground on the Green Line, and their use
seems to be optional on the underground sections of the other lines.
The first rapid transit cars to have real headlights were the cars
bought from the St. Louis Car Co. in 1951 for the Revere Extension.
The 1923-24 East Boston cars were equipped with similar units atop the
roof in 1952. Orders for the Elevated in 1957-58 and the
Cambridge-Dorchester Line in 1963 lacked headlights, but the 1969
South Shore cars came with headlights on the panel below the
windshields, and all more recent orders have been similarly equipped.
Headlights were retrofitted to the 1957-58 cars after 1975, and to the
1963 cars after 1980. In each case a two lamp locomotive headlight was
attached above the communicating door.
The tunnels have always been well lighted (scads of 56 watt strings
and more recently flourescents), but the outdoor right-of-way between
Andrew and Shawmut was extremely dark in places.
Hope this helps.
Gerry
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 12:25:50:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Tandy faux PCC cars from real PCC parts posted by
Joe M on November 12, 1997 at 23:44:45:
All but one of the Tandy cars started out in Washington. One was
originally from Boston. In all Tandy bought 8 cars from Boston for
parts around 1980, but only rebodied one.
Gerry
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Posted by GarfieldA on November 13, 1997 at 12:31:49:
About two days ago I was on a Manhattan bound J train (R42 cars). Then
when entering the Cypress Hills station, the train just came to a
complete stop in less then 10 seconds. And it was strange that when it
stopped, nearly half of the subway cars didn't even make the station.
Right then and there I knew that the motorman passed a red signal. I
pretty much know the route since I've been using the line for an x
amount of years and at that point of the line when entering the Cyp.
Hills station the train goes through a series of red signals before
actually pulling in and coming to a stop. My question is do cases like
this get reported either by the motorman or conducter of that
particular train that was involved in the incident.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 13, 1997 at 12:37:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Sybway and moivie "Ghostbusters 2" posted by
David Pirmann on November 07, 1997 at 18:59:52:
Isn't VanHorne the name of the earlier "Standard" rapid transit
coupler? Having said that, I can't bring myself to propose that the
movie set builders knew or cared !
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 12:40:36:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Adam on
November 11, 1997 at 20:36:58:
The best policy is not to have delays in the first place.
Great idea, any thoughts on implementation? :)
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POSTER>Michael S. Buglak
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on November 13, 1997 at 12:59:27:
In Reply to: [7]Philadelphia Transit Website? posted by John on
November 13, 1997 at 12:08:05:
SEPTA, Philadelphia's transit system, has a website. You can reach it
at
www.septa.org
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 12:59:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: NYC Sybway and moivie "Ghostbusters 2" posted by
Gary Jacobi on November 13, 1997 at 12:37:58:
VanDorn couplers were used for many years on el cars. They were an
improvement over the old link & pin type, but still required
significant effort to make or break a train.
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POSTER>Michael S. Buglak
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on November 13, 1997 at 12:59:41:
In Reply to: [7]Philadelphia Transit Website? posted by John on
November 13, 1997 at 12:08:05:
SEPTA, Philadelphia's transit system, has a website. You can reach it
at
www.septa.org
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 13, 1997 at 13:08:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Annonymous, but
informed on November 09, 1997 at 00:27:31:
I'll say you're informed! This is just one more petty rule that was
put in place to "protect" funds from one mode being used for a
"competitor". Congress thought they could eliminate this silliness by
creating a Dept. of Transportation 25+ years ago, but as an employee
for all those years, I'm sorry to report that the rivalry won't go
away. And the saddest thing about it is, more often than not the
restrictions on the funding come back to complicate good projects that
both modes should embrace.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 13, 1997 at 13:08:38:
In Reply to: [7]Boston Transit Quiz - Answers posted by Gerry O'Regan
on November 13, 1997 at 09:01:47:
Isn't a double-fare charged at Quincy Adams Garage too (the stop
before Braintree on the Red Line) where you have to put in another
token to get out??
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 13, 1997 at 13:17:01:
In Reply to: [7]Die Hard 3 - Wall Street Station posted by Gerald on
November 11, 1997 at 21:49:51:
Very definately a mock-up. The scene when Bruce Willis enters the
subway and looks for the bomb took place on what looks like R-29
series IRT cars ("redbirds") that could run on the #3, so that part
could be "true-to-life". But the train that enters "Wall Street"
station is a series of R-30s that wouldn't fit on the #3 line because
they're BMT cars built to wider dimensions!
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 13, 1997 at 13:36:56:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by John on November 11,
1997 at 15:35:19:
Seen as "recently" as August 24th, R-32s on the Rockaway Park - Euclid
Ave shuttle with side designations of "H" instead of "S". The H is
dead - long live the H!!
--Mark
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 13, 1997 at 13:45:52:
In Reply to: [7]South Beach posted by Keith on November 13, 1997 at
11:59:07:
The South Beach Branch cutoff was just south (east) of the Clifton
Station. The Clifton CB House is now on the site. Much of the old ROW
is intact. It ran through Rosebank and Ft. Wadsworth. There was a
bridge recently removed in the Clifton Area, and there are several
rail bridges still intact along the line. There is an area near the
Coast Guard housing where houses were built directly on the ROW, and
the builder used the original bridge abutment as a retaining wall (The
wall has '1939' or '1933' engraved in the concrete. Give me a day or
so, and I can pull out my road map and get you exact locations.
NYC-DOT is always rebuilding bridges where the road crosses the line,
and there is are road bridges on Fingerboard Rd and McLean Ave, that I
can remember off the top of my head.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 13, 1997 at 13:54:02:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Die Hard 3 - Wall Street Station posted by Mark S
Feinman on November 13, 1997 at 13:17:01:
How about the two cabs in that car?
-Hank
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 13, 1997 at 13:54:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway-Airport Link posted by Anthony PArdi on
November 06, 1997 at 22:54:17:
As "Anonymous but informed" tried to explain tactfully, the problem is
not engineering, but political. The money that is available is from
airport user funds. Congress, in it's wisdom, put language in the
funding act to prevent "diversion" of these funds to other modes of
travel, i.e. roads and transit. Never mind that all modes would be
well served by the extension of the Subway, unless Congress acts to
amend the rules, Light Rail will be forced down NY travelers throats.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 13, 1997 at 13:56:19:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Die Hard 3 - Wall Street Station posted by Gerald
on November 12, 1997 at 12:22:01:
not even close. Wall St on the 4/5 is side platform. Wall st on the
2/3 I can't remember, but thee platform was WAY to wide.
-Hank
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 13, 1997 at 13:57:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: South Beach posted by Hank Eisenstein on November
13, 1997 at 13:45:52:
I have an SIRT (employee, I think) timetable from before the extra
lines on S.I. were abandoned. I'll look for it and report back with
anything of interest.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 13, 1997 at 14:02:38:
In Reply to: [6]Boston Transit Quiz - Answers posted by Gerry O'Regan
on November 13, 1997 at 09:01:47:
Easy, huh? The French Canadians I knew as a youth had an expression
for this, "Le Tabernach" . Canadian friends, does it still apply?
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 13, 1997 at 14:07:38:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Carl M.
Rabbin on November 11, 1997 at 17:24:31:
NYCT uses these all the time, especially during track work. I was on a
1 train that was delayed by track work (15 minutes at 50st!) When the
train reached 96st, it went out of service. While waiting the 2
minutes for the next train, the 1 crassed over to the Lenox Ave line,
then reversed bak to the downtown local. the next 1 came in on the
uptown ex, and another arrived on the uptown local. I jumped on the
express, and we crossed over in front of the local. We stopped at 137,
168, and then made all stops from 207. I got off at 231. I'm a
front-ender, I admit, and while watching out the front of the train,
we passed only 1 southbound train.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 13, 1997 at 14:10:01:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Lou on
November 12, 1997 at 11:52:51:
Let's not forget that SIR also runs SCHEDULED express service during
rush hours.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 13, 1997 at 14:19:49:
In Reply to: [7]SIRR station stops posted by Paul on November 10, 1997
at 12:44:44:
I said that Tompkinsville SHOULD be condemned. Richmond Valley is in
bad shape, but not TO bad. Atlantic and Nassau are supposed to be
replaced with a single station, to be called Arthur Kill. The atlantic
station is only about 65' long (or so) and is a flagstop in both
directions (notify the conductor you want to get off. You can see the
atlantic station from the end of the platform at Tottenville.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 13, 1997 at 14:22:47:
In Reply to: [7]SIRR station stops posted by Paul on November 10, 1997
at 12:44:44:
The bridge being built at Tompkinsville is the pedestrian station
access bridge. The previous bridge was condemned. It was scheduled to
be a 10 month job, and so far has taken over 20 months.
-Hank
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on November 13, 1997 at 14:31:23:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Mark S Feinman on
November 13, 1997 at 13:36:56:
Now if you see a train of R-1/9s, signed "HH", I'll really be
impressed. The train of my "yout" (as grandpa would have said).
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 15:09:12:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Boston Transit Quiz - Answers posted by Mark S
Feinman on November 13, 1997 at 13:08:38:
IIRC when QA was opened it was the same as Braintree. It was moved
into the same zone as Quincy Center coincident with a fare increase.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 13, 1997 at 15:21:39:
In Reply to: [7]Street renamings Update posted by kapitanios Fotios
Makritoxonis-Sherman Cheung on November 13, 1997 at 11:52:48:
Patriarch Bartholomew Way is one of many "honorary" street renamings
in Manhattan. In a case such as this, the street's name is not legally
changed, and the honorary name is shown on a blue sign affixed near
the sign that bears the "true" street name.
An exception involves some of the main avenues in Harlem. Names such
as Frederick Douglass Boulevard or Adam Clayton Powell Boulevard are
in fact the legal names of the thoroughfares involved, though even
there the residents normally use the old names (e.g. 8th Avenue for
F.D. Boulevard).
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POSTER>steve
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Posted by steve on November 13, 1997 at 15:35:52:
In Reply to: [7]Philadelphia Transit Website? posted by John on
November 13, 1997 at 12:08:05:
try DVARP ,,,excellant Philadelphia coverage
Steve
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POSTER>Lefty
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Posted by Lefty on November 13, 1997 at 16:32:06:
In Reply to: [7]NYD-ERA Membership Questions (C.l.Rabbin) posted by
fotios on November 13, 1997 at 11:20:43:
what are the advantages of being part of the ERA?
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on November 13, 1997 at 19:07:02:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Gerry
O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 12:40:36:
Hey if I knew the answer to that, I'd be the president of the MTA! :-)
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on November 13, 1997 at 19:09:21:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 12, 1997 at 19:13:05:
I think, like the H train, there used to be a K train. I think it
might have run in Brooklyn somewhere. Does anyone know if it actually
existed or not?
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on November 13, 1997 at 19:22:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by fotios on November 13,
1997 at 11:16:46:
Hey Sherman, you illiterate bastard I think that you are the one who
is sick. Get the hell off of this board if you have nothing
intelligent to contribute and nothing better than to add but to say
that I am sick. I would love to hear your INTELLIGENT and RATIONAL
reasons for disliking graffiti, if you are capable of producing such
reasons, and then maybe I would listen to you. I have my reasons for
being nostalgic for graffiti, some of them having nothing to do with
it being a legitimate art form. To begin, I think that graffiti, not
all of it, but the kind that was on the subway cars, can look
attractive to the discerning eye. Most of the graffiti on subway cars
was in a mural style, providing something to look at and enjoy when
riding the otherwise grimy and unattractive subway of the 1980s.
Secondly, graffiti-covered subway cars reminds me of the 1980s, a
decade of which I have fond memories. I used to ride the subways
almost every day in the early 80s, particularly in 1982 and seeing the
pictures of graffiti-covered subway cars brings back a lot of these
memories.
So that is my reason for liking graffiti on subway cars. I know most
people did not like it and I respect that, as long as they can
represent their dislike in an intelligent manner, something that I do
not think that SHERMAN is capable of.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 13, 1997 at 19:30:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: walnut depot/KB-MCH posted by Fernando Perez on
November 13, 1997 at 02:23:32:
Yes, It is strange. Another example of that is Fresh Pond being in
Queens but it's a Bklyn depot. Also some of FP routes are entirely in
Queens such as the Q55 & Q58. Years ago these routes used to be the
B55 & B58 respectively, even though they only touched the border of
Bklyn when circling the block at their south (west) terminal. Other
ENY and FP routes are mostly in Queens such as the Q24, Q54 & Q56 -
These used to be the B22, B53 and B56. Go Figure.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on November 13, 1997 at 21:28:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tandy faux PCC cars from real PCC parts posted by
Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 12:25:50:
Did they just rework the bodies and put new ends on the rest of them?
Does anyone know how many they run and how long the line is?
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POSTER>Mike
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SUBJECT>Restore the NYS&W by NJ Transit.
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Posted by Mike on November 13, 1997 at 22:10:29:
I think it's about time NJ Transit restores passenger rail service
along the Susquehanna rail line between the Paterson Station on the
Main line to Sparta to relieve traffic conjection along both Routes 23
& 208 & to serve the growing population of both Passiac & Sussex
Counties.In addition, I have the proposed train schedule for the line.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on November 13, 1997 at 22:24:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Adam on November 13,
1997 at 19:09:21:
The original K ran from Jamaica, along the current J/Z line in Queens
and Brooklyn, across the Williamsburg Bridge, along the 6th Avenue
line to 57th Street. This service was discontinued in the late 1960s,
I beleive. In 1985, another K train was formed to replace the AA,
which was an off-hour service that ran between the Chambers Street
terminus, along the 8th Avenue line to 168th Street. The C train
replaced the K in 1989 or '90.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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SUBJECT>Van Dorn couplers
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on November 13, 1997 at 22:32:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Sybway and moivie "Ghostbusters 2" posted by
Gerry O'Regan on November 13, 1997 at 12:59:34:
Not just El cars. Every streetcar in Baltimore carried two Van Dorn
couplers and the newer cars carried a compromise coupler that fit the
drawbar pocket and had a Van Dorn head on it. (That's how you tow a
semi with a Witt or PCC.) At BSM we usually "jack" the heads to the
same level with a switch iron. Not for the totally faint of heart (it
wows the riders to see 2 women do it). The links also serve to keep
the center window on closed platform cars closed.
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POSTER>A. Scarpinato
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Posted by A. Scarpinato on November 13, 1997 at 23:05:08:
In Reply to: [7]Re: South Beach posted by Charles Fiori on November
13, 1997 at 13:57:48:
Does anybody have an old map showing the actual location of the line,
like between what two streets, not a hand sketch one.
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Posted by Neil on November 13, 1997 at 23:34:38:
As a fairly regular rider of the L (BMT 14th St-Canarsie) line I have
two questions:
#1) What is the status of ventilation for the 14th Street tunnel? I've
heard that only one train at a time is allowed in the tunnel due to
problems with the emergency exhasut. Is the TA going to fix this?
(Hopefully sometime before J,M,Z service is effected by Williamsburg
Br.
construction?)
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#2) The Lorimer Street station has a nice connection to the IND GG
"Metropolitan-Grand" mezzaine. Currently all the GG train entrances
south
of Metropolitan are closed off with construction fencing. Does the TA
ever plan to re-open these entrances?
Thanks...
Neil
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POSTER>andy
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Posted by andy on November 14, 1997 at 03:03:20:
In Reply to: [6]Restore the NYS&W by NJ Transit. posted by Mike on
November 13, 1997 at 22:10:29:
What do you think about New York Subway system?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 14, 1997 at 09:28:43:
In Reply to: [7]Subway Emergency Braking System posted by GarfieldA on
November 13, 1997 at 12:31:49:
Subway motormen are subject to disciplinary action if they pass red
signals and trigger the automatic stops. In fact, the levers that
engage the tripcocks are covered with a yellow substance (chalk?) that
leaves marks on the trains, so there will be proof.
I'm not sure who has the responsibility for reporting incidents like
these, conductors or motormen themselves.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on November 14, 1997 at 10:50:07:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MBTA Question posted by Gerry O'Regan on November
13, 1997 at 12:20:42:
My recollection from the mid 1960s is that on the Blue line, the
headlights
were not used in the subway. Headlights were turned off inbound and
turned on outbound at Airport station.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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SUBJECT>Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains
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Posted by Ed Sachs on November 14, 1997 at 10:52:29:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Charles
Fiori on November 12, 1997 at 13:26:29:
Must have been a while back. River Road station was renamed
Rosemont a few years back.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Graffiti Checks
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 14, 1997 at 11:16:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Adam on November 13,
1997 at 19:22:45:
How about inventing Virtual Graffiti Glasses so those who enjoy seeing
it do not have to insult those who don't?
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on November 14, 1997 at 11:36:49:
In Reply to: [6]Let's take a poll! posted by Subway Man on November
11, 1997 at 15:29:52:
T might also be a good option- there once was a TT acting as the
pre-Chrystie St West End Local.Also T is not easily confused with
other letters, i.e. P with R,etc. Personally I still think the idea of
the original IND was the best-single letters for expresses (A), double
letters indicating the local on that route (AA) it makes tons of sense
eliminates a lot of confusion, so of course the TA-MTA got rid of it!!
Also for rush hour express lines the adding of "X" wouldn't be bad
either (i.e. NX).
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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DATE>Nov 20 19:46:19 1997
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on November 14, 1997 at 11:42:17:
In Reply to: [6]Restore the NYS&W by NJ Transit. posted by Mike on
November 13, 1997 at 22:10:29:
Believe or not NJT is actually doing the usual "fesibility studies"
about actually doing this! The only problem is that they don't want to
extend the line to its "natuaral" terminal in Warwick.-The usual
political garbage that they don't want to subsidize NY with NJ
dollars, totally ignoring for instance that Metro-North subsidizes
most of the cost of the Pascack Valley Line, which NJ benefits from
greatly!And so it goes....
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POSTER>fotios
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SUBJECT>Re: NYD-ERA Membership Questions (C.l.Rabbin)
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Posted by fotios on November 14, 1997 at 11:49:21:
In Reply to: [7]Re: NYD-ERA Membership Questions (C.l.Rabbin) posted
by Lefty on November 13, 1997 at 16:32:06:
Lefty, (is it lefteri, Eleftherios? Are you Greek?)
I've been a member since 1990, there are two divisions the national
and the New York Divison, Both are good but the New York Division
offers more such as the Monthly Bulletin which comes in on time. (at
least it does for me.)
Monthly meetings on the 3rd friday of each month. (various subjects,
not exclusively New York, Which I like, more variety.)
a chance to be with ppl who like the subways and camaraderie with like
minded people.
Sherman
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 14, 1997 at 13:04:01:
In Reply to: [7]Re: NYD-ERA Membership Questions (C.l.Rabbin) posted
by fotios on November 14, 1997 at 11:49:21:
... also, early word about subway fantrips that the ERA/NYD sponsors,
and both groups have multiple trips throughout the year to other
areas; I recall recent outings to Philly and Baltimore.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Single Letter Express, Double Lette Local (Re: Let's take a poll!)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 14, 1997 at 13:10:39:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Lou from Middletown
on November 14, 1997 at 11:36:49:
Well, if a train ran express its entire length, and if it had a local
that ran along with the express for most of its length, this would
make sense. But most trains running today don't run express all the
time. And some local trains on the NYC subway system don't parallel
their express brothers. How would this naming scheme work on 6th
Avenue for example? What defines express? The F runs express in Queens
but local in Manhattan.
At one time, the IND lines were "closed" enough that this may have
made sense, but it really doesn't anymore. I really don't see a better
alternative than giving each train its own identify, which I think NYC
Transit has tried to do with the elimination of the double letters.
--Mark
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 14, 1997 at 13:10:54:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Restore the NYS&W by NJ Transit. posted by Lou
from Middletown on November 14, 1997 at 11:42:17:
There are a few problems with extending the Susie-Q line all the way
to Warwick, NY. First of all would be the travel time - namely, very
long. Second is the distance involvd - 26 miles of line beyond Sparta,
48 miles of line beyond Butler. The money necessary to reopen that
much line would be better spent on the West Shore Line. Third is the
direction - to get to Warwick, the train would travel west and then
northeast! This makes very little sense. Warwick does not seem to be a
natural terminus by any means. Butler or Sparta do.
As far as I know, the current proposal is to extend initial service to
Butler from the jct. at Hawthorne from the old Erie line.
Andy
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 14, 1997 at 13:19:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Emergency Braking System posted by Peter
Rosa on November 14, 1997 at 09:28:43:
The yellow substance is paint. Motorpersons need to report the
incident to Command Center ASAP. They will need to get down on the
track and reset the tripper on the car by hand.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on November 14, 1997 at 13:30:18:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Alan Follett
on November 12, 1997 at 20:53:43:
I seem to recall the reason was that the southbound express track from
Howard to Wilson (the westernmost, outside track) was also used by
freight trains, and did not have third rail because some of the
freight cars
might have overhanging parts which would short it out.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 14, 1997 at 14:27:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Ed Sachs on
November 14, 1997 at 13:30:18:
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 14, 1997 at 14:29:14:
In Reply to: [6]Single Letter Express, Double Lette Local (Re: Let's
take a poll!) posted by Mark S Feinman on November 14, 1997 at
13:10:39:
I agree 100%. Division 1 (IRT) uses single numbers without a problem.
And we still have H, K, T, V, W, Y left anyway. I know H, K, and T
have been used in the past, but maybe they can recycle them, IF they
ever expand the system, which seems unlikely in our lifetime.
(They will probably never use I (looks like 1), O (looks like 0), P
(potentially vulgar), U(looks like V), X(implies vulgarity or
negativity).
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 14, 1997 at 14:37:35:
In Reply to: [7]Re: CTA Questions and comments posted by Ed Sachs on
November 14, 1997 at 13:30:18:
It may be true that in the era of freight operations the outside track
didn't have third between Howard and Granville due to freight car
clearance concerns. The freight and outer passenger tracks overlapped
in a gauntlet arrangement between Granville and Wilson, the freight
rails were slightly to the outside. There was definitely a third rail
for the passenger cars in this territory--in fact, as mentioned in a
previous post, North Shore cars lowered their poles on the fly and
switched back to third rail at about Granville.
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on November 14, 1997 at 15:10:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Emergency Braking System posted by Peter
Rosa on November 14, 1997 at 09:28:43:
Trippers are painted Yellow, tripcocks are look white to me. Command
should have been called right there on the spot and the crew had to go
on the roadbed to reset the tripper.
The operator could have put the train in emergancy without running a
red signal. Maybe a "passanger" was on the tracks by the station or
some debris on the track. About once every three months on the (in
other words it happens enough for me to make note of it) on the first
run Q Monday morning will TRIP near Church Ave (right before or after)
due to derbis left in the roadbed. The crew more times than not say
that Vandils have left it to stop the train. Easy since most of the
time the express tracks aren't used from 9pm Friday until 6am Monday
unless a MOW move on the weekend.
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: Philadelphia Transit Website?
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Posted by John on November 14, 1997 at 17:35:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia Transit Website? posted by Michael S.
Buglak on November 13, 1997 at 12:59:41:
Thanks!
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>What is DVARP?
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Posted by John on November 14, 1997 at 17:38:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia Transit Website? posted by steve on
November 13, 1997 at 15:35:52:
Steve:
Those of us who are not among the initiated would like to know what
DVARP is. What can you tell us about it? Does it have a website? If
yes, what is the address?
Thank you.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 14, 1997 at 19:04:53:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MBTA Question posted by Ed Sachs on November 14,
1997 at 10:50:07:
That is correct.
Gerry
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on November 14, 1997 at 19:05:03:
In Reply to: [7]Subway Emergency Braking System posted by GarfieldA on
November 13, 1997 at 12:31:49:
There are many aspects to the question you ask. First. If the train
was partially into the station, the signal in question was an
'Automatic' signal, meaning it is not controlled by a tower but
governed by the blocks in front of it. Yes, the Train Operator (per
rule 36A)is obliged to report the incident, immediately. The 'stop
arm' is painted yellow while the trip cock is painted white so strike
marks will be visible on one if not both. The tripcock has a wooden
'Snow block' taped to it which will have been knocked off by the
incident and would need to be replaced. Now the question is, did the
train operator run the signal or did the signal flash and did the stop
arm come up under the train, tripping the emergency brakes in another
car. One can not automatically assume that the train operator ran the
signal as there are numerous reasons for an emergency brake
application.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>R-142 Exterior paint
DATE>Nov 20 19:46:31 1997
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Posted by Steve on November 14, 1997 at 19:17:20:
Recently, a 5-car R-62 had a portion of its' front end painted to
present possible paint schemes for the R-142s. The lead car was
painted from just below the Train Operators' vision glass to the first
door on either side. One side was in Tuscan Red and the other in
Maroon. The goal, I am told, was to give the lead car of the R-142s a
"Locomotive-like look". I'm told that the R-62 will be returned to
'normal' after the presentation and will not run in service with the
new paint scheme.
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SUBJECT>Re: Crime in the Subways
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Posted by Steve on November 14, 1997 at 21:04:32:
In Reply to: [7]Crime in the Subways posted by Subway Watchdog on
November 11, 1997 at 15:06:13:
Crime is definitely down in the subways. However, it is once again up
from its recent low points. Since the merger of the NYPD and Transit
Police Depts. there has been a decided decrease in police presence on
trains and stations. The result of this has been an increase in fare
beating, smoking and other quality of life offenses. It has been
demonstrated that the same peple guilty of Q of L offenses, are
usually the ones who commit more serious crimes. This trend has not
escaped the police brass or city hall. Shortly before the election,
the mayor and police commissioner acknowledged this increase in crime
and announced an increase in police, subway patrols.
As for the every day life in the subways, there have been some visible
signs of negative changes. I ride numerous times daily, early morning,
mid-day, afternoon, evening and nighttime. I have witnessed numerous Q
of L crimes recently including pan-handling and smoking. Recently, a
female customer was assaulted with a bottle for asking a homeless
person to move. If nothing else, the mayor and police commissioner
must, once again, increase police presence on the subways to restore
customer confidence and a sense of security to all
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Posted by John, John, John!!! on November 14, 1997 at 22:43:32:
In Reply to: [6]What is DVARP? posted by John on November 14, 1997 at
17:38:58:
Come on, man! No offense to you, but if more than one person on this
site uses the same name, it's liable to create a lot of confusion. I
ask you kindly to PLEASE identify yourself with a different name. I'm
the "original" John on this site, and please don't use the exact same
name. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Posted by Joe M on November 17, 1997 at 23:25:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Toronto's Battery Runs and Express Experiment
(oh-oh) posted by Andrew Huie on November 16, 1997 at 01:40:23:
Educate me please! What is a battery run?? Still learning the jargon.
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Posted by Steve on November 17, 1997 at 23:29:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: R68 become Coupled Semi-Permanent?? posted by Eric
B on November 17, 1997 at 19:32:40:
The R-68s will be permanently linked into 4-car units beginning in
1999. The modification is being done because 4-car units are
mechanically more reliable and more cost effective to maintain, than
single car units. They will then be based in Coney Island and switched
into Q, or N service while the D line will likely be served by R-32s
or R-42s. However, Concourse Shop can easily handle 4 75' cars. The
inspection pits in Concourse Shop are 625' long and will accommodate 2
4-car units per track. The reason the R-68s will be moved is because
of fleet management considerations. If the R-68s are moved to Coney
Island, Coney Island would have to maintain just 2 different typrs of
cars (R-68 & R-68A) instead of the 4 types they now maintain.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on November 17, 1997 at 23:32:06:
In Reply to: [7]Re: R-142 Exterior paint posted by Mark S Feinman on
November 17, 1997 at 13:34:56:
As of Thursday night, the train was at 207th ST. Overhaul Shop but it
will be 'cleaned' before leaving the facility.
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Posted by Alan Follett on November 17, 1997 at 23:47:00:
In Reply to: [7]Baltimore's Light Rail posted by Timothy on November
17, 1997 at 19:11:21:
Baltimore's light rail is mostly on PROW--at the north end, on the
ex-PRR, ex-Northern Central; at the south end, ex-Baltimore &
Annapolis. There;s no subway operation, and the closest thing to
elevated is a longish bridge south of Camden Yards.
The section through downtown Baltimore involves about a mile and a
half of street running through the rather decrepit commercial strip
along Howard Street. The new Hunt Valley extension, at the extreme
north end, is mostly side-of-the-road operation through a sort of
industrial park. As to how dangerous any of the areas may be, I'll
leave the question to folks with better knowledge of the territory
(and to your personal comfort level); I can only say that on a visit
to Baltimore in September I never felt particularly uneasy anywhere on
the system.
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Posted by Zack on November 18, 1997 at 00:21:11:
In Reply to: [7]Re: R-142 Exterior paint posted by Nick on November
15, 1997 at 22:59:34:
I agree
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 18, 1997 at 06:55:23:
Ta announced today that the metrocard was used more often for trips in
September than tokens, for the first time since it was introduced.
-Hank
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Posted by sammy on November 18, 1997 at 07:34:49:
In Reply to: [7]Slow Subways posted by Jeff on November 15, 1997 at
17:43:59:
Hey Steve. Nice to hear from you again.
Thanks fir the engineering overview (see, I knew I should have been a
civil rather than chemical engineer undergraduate!!!!). The question
is what to do about it.
Seems to me I heard somewhere where MTA estimates have been revised
upwards, vis-a-vis their operating profits. How lovely. Now, can we
use it for something effective like updating the technology?
Hmm. Seems we've been down this road before. Slower trains cause
delays....which in turn cause more delays.....which lead to the
unapoplectic MTA shrugging and saying "what, us worry? We don't ride
the trains, you do."
Another example of Nero fiddling while Rome burns.....
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on November 18, 1997 at 08:07:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Baltimore's Light Rail posted by Alan Follett on
November 17, 1997 at 23:47:00:
The Central Light Rail Line does not go thru any really bad areas.
Most of the line is in or near streets, the only part of the line that
is not near streets is the southern portion (below Camden Station).
The line crosses the middle branch of the Patapsco River, and then
passes thru Westport and Cherry Hill before entering the former B&A at
Patapsco Avenue. The B&A line parallels, at some distance, Annapolis
Road. Buy a $3.00 Day Pass (at any Light Rail Ticket Machine) and you
will have UNLIMITED riding on the MTA system that day. Also on that
visit (if on a weekend), stop by the Baltimore Streetcar Museum
(www.baltimorenews.com/streetcar) to see the "grandparents" of today's
Light Rail.
Also, as of today (11/18) the Penn Station and BWI extensions are not
yet operating. (Insufficent equipment and power problems on Penn Stn
branch.)
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 18, 1997 at 09:27:00:
In Reply to: [7]MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 18, 1997 at 06:55:23:
Even though MetroCard may have surpassed the token in usage, it still
hasn't become the "default" fare. If you give, for example, $6 to a RR
clerk without saying anything, the clerk will give you four tokens,
not a MetroCard. It will be interesting to see when that changes.
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Posted by Nick on November 18, 1997 at 10:01:20:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Forest Hills SIRR Station posted by Hank Eisnstein
on November 17, 1997 at 18:56:08:
I wouldn't mind if the Forest hills/Continental Ave. subway station
got renovated. It's in ok shape, but gets lots of use since its a
major transfer station. The E and F make an express stop there, and
the R and G begin/terminate there as well. It deserves a
renovation!-NICK
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 18, 1997 at 10:04:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Baltimore's Light Rail posted by Dan Lawrence on
November 18, 1997 at 08:07:15:
The only street running is on Howard street between the Camden Yards
station and Mount Royal Avenue.
It is elevated (1-track from Camden Yards to Westport), and from
Linthicum to Ferndale, I think.
It runs every 15 minutes. When the new branches are open each branch
will run every 17 minutes, and the combined section (Linthicum - Mt.
Royal Avenue) will be 8.5 minutes. This past year they had to double
track a section south of Patapsco Avenue so that they could have the
more frequent service, but it's not running yet.
It has more interesting sections than can be imagined, a one-track
elevated that runs over a river mouth and under 2 elevated expressways
next to factories and swamps, a section on the edge of a forest in a
deep valley next to an elevated (in the valley) expressway, and
snaking down Howard St, which, while not great anymore (all 4
deparment stores have left the street, 3 through going out of business
totally), is not dangerous. As for station safety, Westport and Cherry
Hill are a bit isolated, but the others are absolutely fine. I use it
periodically and love it. It's very slow on Howard Street, taking 18
minutes to go from Pratt St. to North Avenue a distance of 2 miles.
The other 23 miles are done in about 50 minutes.
The fine for not having a ticket on the light rail is $265. A day
ticket is $3.00. The MTA recently eliminated bus transfers and most
zone charges, and instituted the day ticket to encourage use during
lunch hours and to simplify matters (which also encourages use). So
for the price of a former round trip transfer ride, you get all day
use and the drivers don't have to inspect and keep track of transfers.
Don't forget to try the Metro train line which runs from Owings Mills
to Johns Hopkins Hospital in East Baltimore. It's above ground west of
Mondawmin Mall, and is elevated or in an expressway median for much of
it. It's clean, safe, and you can easily see out the front window. It
is nearly a duplicate of the Miami Metro, by the way, down to the
color schemes and the chime when the door closes. The day ticket is
good on the Metro train, the light rail, and all buses equally.
Have fun, have a crab cake, and "How 'bout them O's?"
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Posted by Nick on November 18, 1997 at 10:10:15:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Peter Rosa on
November 18, 1997 at 09:27:00:
I find the metrocard has been very convenient since you've been able
to use it at every station. If I was a bus rider, I'm sure I'd like
the free transfers too. Sometimes I can't get through(to the subway)
at one machine, and I have to go to another turnstile to get through.
has anyone found some other gliches?-NICK
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Posted by Nick on November 18, 1997 at 10:17:48:
I was walking over the bridge in Greenpoint, Brooklyn (I forget the
name) a little while ago and saw a yard filled with old trains that
had red or blue stripes on them. Are these the old fleet of
Metro-North Cars?
Speaking of Metro-Norht cars, are there any new cars in metro-Norths
future-particularly on the New Haven (red stripe) line. I know a few
years ago some M-6 cars were purchased for the Harlem and Hudson
lines. The NH line cars are different because they have the "claws" on
the roof to pick up electricity from wires, instead of the
ground.-NICK
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 18, 1997 at 10:27:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Nick on November 18,
1997 at 10:10:15:
While I usually can get through the machine, my 12-year old daughter
always gets "Too Fast" or "Too Slow" with those metrocards. She just
can't get it to work. Otherwise they work great to me.
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Posted by Matthew Nagel on November 18, 1997 at 10:46:03:
A friend and I are going to NYC for New Years Eve. Obviously we will
watch the ball drop, but I was wondering if it would be safe to take
the subway from Manhattan to Queens (where our hotel is) at 1 or 2 in
the morning? If not, what other means would you recommend? Thanks for
the info.
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 18, 1997 at 11:34:48:
In Reply to: [7]safety and New Years Eve posted by Matthew Nagel on
November 18, 1997 at 10:46:03:
Well, the whole city and all the trains will probably be deserted at
that time of night. NOT! There will be about a million other people
taking the subway home that night with plenty of extra police
presence.
It's safe on any night. Moreso on New Years Eve. I think people really
need to get over this fear of NYC/the subway. You have more chance of
getting hit by a car crossing Broadway than being a victim of a crime
in the subway.
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Posted by Lou on November 18, 1997 at 11:43:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Slow Subways posted by Andrew Byler on November
17, 1997 at 22:42:46:
I think the finding in the Willy B accident was the signals were too
close to one another to allow the train to stop (when tripping) at the
speed it was moving.
Instead of making the blocks bigger or even changing the timers on the
Grade Timers they slow everybody down.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on November 18, 1997 at 11:45:28:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Baltimore's Light Rail posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
November 18, 1997 at 10:04:24:
There's not much more that can be said that hasn't been said by the
previous posts, about the light rail, that is.
Now, for the Metro line, I used to commute it on a daily basis a few
years ago and let me tell you, the system itself is very safe & clean,
it's the neighborhoods that surround some of the stations that are a
little scary, especially after dark. If you want to "ride the system",
park out at the Owings Mills station which has easy access off of
I-795 which is exit #19 off the Baltimore Beltway (I-695), then, ride
the line downtown. Each of the underground stations has its own
character and artwork, I, myself particularly like the Mondawmin,
Lexington Mkt. & the Charles Ctr. stations. The neighborhoods to avoid
would be the ones around the Cold Spring, Penn/North & Upton stations.
Bad crime & drug problem in the neighborhoods around the 2nd two
mentioned, but, the stations are underground and you should have no
reason to venture up to ground level. All stations have station
attendants & have closed circuit TV. If you have any more specific
questions, feel free to e-mail me.
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Posted by Lou on November 18, 1997 at 11:47:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MTA Paint schemes posted by Wayne Johnson on
November 17, 1997 at 22:24:02:
How much did MTA spend in changing ALL the logos for EVERY system they
have oversite for??
MTA Bridges and Tunnels, MTA LIRR, MTA Metro North, MTA Subways, MTA
Staten Island Railway.... Uniforms TOO...WHY??
Why?
I just got to look at every utility bill and I know my money is going
to the MTA. Who told em I would forget that if I didn't see it every
time I droped a token/ticket/or Ez-Passed???
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 18, 1997 at 12:12:15:
In Reply to: [6]safety and New Years Eve posted by Matthew Nagel on
November 18, 1997 at 10:46:03:
The ride back to Queens might be the highlight of the evening! I rode
sober about four or five times in the sixties, and the atmosphere on
the train was absolutely convivial. Many of the returning partygoers
are not regular subway riders, and don't know the "rules" about
ignoring fellow riders. I suppose this might sound like a ripe field
for criminals, but I think they stay away because a large group of
folks feeling good is bound to contain a few potential "heros", and
they would likely be challenged by the group if they messed with
anybody.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on November 18, 1997 at 12:24:19:
In Reply to: [7]Old Metro-North Cars? posted by Nick on November 18,
1997 at 10:17:48:
:I was walking over the bridge in Greenpoint, Brooklyn (I forget the
:name) a little while ago and saw a yard filled with old trains that
had
:red or blue stripes on them. Are these the old fleet of Metro-North
:Cars?
Hmmm.... you sure it wasn't an LIRR diesel yard? :)
But seriously, I'm not sure why any MN stuff would appear down there.
BTW, does anyone know about the m-1's / mp-70's that have beeen
appearing by the Sunnyside yard??? Are these scrap?? Are they starting
to junk M-1s already???
:Speaking of Metro-Norht cars, are there any new cars in metro-Norths
:future-particularly on the New Haven (red stripe) line.
No, AFIK, they are rebuilding the M-2s I think. Actually, the M-6s
(see below) are rather recent, and holding up nice (by M-x standards
at least)
The 4s are total crap - bouncy, flickering lights on some, ominous
humming noises.
:I know a few
:years ago some M-6 cars were purchased for the Harlem and Hudson
lines.
No, those are M-1a and M-3 cars. They are pretty much identical to the
LIRRs crap (but their styling is still slick looking - they look like
a design of the 90's rather than 60's {yeah yeah, but the M-1s came
onto the LIRR around 69-70})
:The NH line cars are different because they have the "claws" on the
roof
:to pick up electricity from wires, instead of the ground.-NICK
Those are called pantagraphs, although given Conrail's (???) problems
when the 2's first started running...
Actually, the m-2/4/6s are just as able to run on DC as the others,
although they tend to be sluggish. I believe they are pretty much M-1s
with a transformer/scr/filter setup to supply 750v DC from the 12-17k
AC line...
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Posted by Tim Speer on November 18, 1997 at 12:44:35:
In Reply to: [7]IRT #7 line posted by Frankie on November 17, 1997 at
18:19:38:
I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember that the Steinway Tunnel,
through which the "7" train passes under the East River, was not
originally intended to hook up with the Flushing Line. In fact, it may
not have been built for the IRT at all! The track from the Steinway
Tunnel needed to connect with the (now demolished) tracks from the
59th street Bridge and the BMT 60th street tunnel at Queensboro Plaza,
as both IRT and BMT trains ran on the Astoria and Flushing lines as
part of the Dual Contracts. My guess is that the curvy section of
track you mention was the cheapest way to utilize the Steinway Tunnel
and hook into existing service.
As for the extension for a fourth track, sorry -- can't help you.
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Posted by Tim Speer on November 18, 1997 at 13:02:50:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Battery Runs and Express Trains posted by Charles
Fiori on November 12, 1997 at 13:26:29:
This is done in Boston, as well. I live at Forest Hills (the last stop
on the Orange Line), so I'm delighted when a train goes express from
Ruggles all the way to the end. Also, with the tight headways on the
Orange Line during rush hour, it is disastrous when a train is
significantly behind schedule.
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POSTER>Tim Speer
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Posted by Tim Speer on November 18, 1997 at 13:08:03:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 12, 1997 at 19:13:05:
I'm a big fan of "K." I used to take the old K at Essex Street, and
then later, I took the K on 8th avenue as the renamed AA. Why not
bring it back again for some other totally unrelated line?
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POSTER>John Stewart
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Posted by John Stewart on November 18, 1997 at 13:51:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by
subway-buff on November 17, 1997 at 19:31:08:
Just for the sake of history, the original station plan for 72 and
B'way on the 1/2/3/9 allowed for unrestricted transfer for all paid
customers. This was the plan that was still in effect during the 70s.
Also, isn't there a downtown IRT 1/9 station (perhaps Rector?) that
has no south-bound entrance?
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POSTER>Bob Sklar
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Posted by Bob Sklar on November 18, 1997 at 15:17:50:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by Gerry
O'Regan on November 08, 1997 at 19:30:16:
Here's everything I know on the subject of stations in which opposite
direction platforms are not accessible to each other: (Most of this
now appears on Hagstrom's newest subway map, although not always
correctly)
(1)(9)
238 St, 231 St, 225 St, 215 St, 207 St, 157 St, 145 St, 137 St, 110
St,
86 St, 79 St, 72 St, 50 St, 28 St, 23 St, 18 St, Christopher St,
Houston St, Canal St, Franklin St, Rector St. The two platforms at
South Ferry are also not connected. Thus in the days when Lexington
Av. service ran to South Ferry, it was possible to transfer from a
through-train (5) or (6) to a (1), but NOT from the Bowling Green
shuttle. No subway map I have ever seen showed this fact.
(2)
174 St, Freeman St, Simpson St, Prospect Av, Jackson Av, Hoyt St,
Bergen St, Winthrop St, Church Av, Beverly Rd, Newkirk Av
(3)
145 St, 135 St, 125 St, 116 St
(6)
Longwood Av, 149 St, 143 St, Cypress Av, Brook Av, 116 St, 110 St (I
think), 86 St, 77 St, 33 St, 28 St, Astor Pl, Bleecker St (a true
SHAME!), Spring St,
(7)
46 St, 40 St, 33 St, Vernon-Jackson
(A)
Dyckman St, 135 St, 116 St, 50 St, Lafayette Av, Clinton-Washington,
Franklin Av (unless you take a ticket, walk upstairs to the (S), take
another ticket, and walk back downstairs! It may also be that you can
use the original ticket to walk across Fulton St and downstairs),
Nostrand Av (there is a passage in which a sign states transfer
availability, but it is usually closed), Kingston-Throop Avs, Ralph
Av, Rockaway Av
(F)
75 Av, 23 St (Manhattan), Bergen St
(G)
Grand Av, Elmhurst Av, Northern Blvd, 46 St, 36 St, Fulton St
(J)(Z)
Marcy Av
(L)
Halsey St (I think), Morgan Av (I think), Montrose Av, Grand St,
Graham Av, 1 Av, 3 Av
(R)
49 St, 28 St, 23 St, 8 St, Prince St, Cortlandt St, Rector St, Union
St, 25 St, 36 St
I have extremely vague but persistent recollections of a complete
connection (although NOT a free transfer) between Junius St (3) and
Livonia Av (L) without going to street level around 1962. Any info?
Bob Sklar
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POSTER>Bob Sklar
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Posted by Bob Sklar on November 18, 1997 at 15:21:33:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by Bob
Sklar on November 18, 1997 at 15:17:50:
Oops! I forgot! Also 23 St on the (6).
Bob
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POSTER>Bob Sklar
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Posted by Bob Sklar on November 18, 1997 at 16:00:59:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by John
Stewart on November 18, 1997 at 13:51:04:
Yes, it's Rector St, although I think they have recently installed a
newer model "iron maiden" at the north end. There is no token booth,
however. Also, except during PM rush hours (possibly also AM - not
sure), the southbound entrance at Franklin St serves only as an exit.
Bob Sklar
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 18, 1997 at 16:10:40:
In Reply to: [6]IRT #7 line posted by Frankie on November 17, 1997 at
18:19:38:
The track to which you refer was originally built when Queensboro
Plaza was twice as large as it is now. That structure supported a
turnaround where a train coming over the bridge from 2d Avenue would
run up that way and turn around. An older softcover book about NY
Elevateds speaks of the QBP complex and has pictures describing the
layout. I used to wonder about that track, too when I rode the line
growing up. You can also see 'stringers' on the West side of the QBP
complex, leading up to the bridge.
Routing through that area was somewhat complex and this book, if you
can find it, will offer the details you need.
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POSTER>Subway Man
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SUBJECT>Re: safety and New Years Eve
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Posted by Subway Man on November 18, 1997 at 16:24:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: safety and New Years Eve posted by Gary Jacobi on
November 18, 1997 at 12:12:15:
I would totally agree that the ride back on the subway is the best
part of the evening! I went to see the ball drop last year and took
the N train back to Queens. On our car we had this one drunk guy who
was really funny, making fun of almost all the passengers and almost
every ethnic group you can think of! But everybody was in a good mood
and we all were rolling on the floor laughing at this guy. So I would
not worry about being on the subway at such a late hour on New Years.
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POSTER>Bootsy-John
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Posted by Bootsy-John on November 18, 1997 at 16:29:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What is DVARP? posted by John The Second on
November 17, 1997 at 12:49:30:
I understand what you're saying, but the only reason I was requesting
you to use a different name was so that there wouldn't be any
confusion, or just to minimize the chances of misunderstandings and
what-not. I am not trying to dominate the name or site in any way, but
actually just trying to make clear that there were two persons using
the name 'John'. However, like I stated above, I will start signing my
posts by 'Bootsy' in order to prevent confusion. I also happen to like
that name and that is the nickname that my friends call me. Don't
worry though, I'm not going to legally change my name to "Bootsy"!!
It's not exactly a name that fits the Armenian heritage!!!!
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POSTER>Subway Man
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SUBJECT>Re: MetroCard Vs. Token
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Posted by Subway Man on November 18, 1997 at 16:34:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Nick on November 18,
1997 at 10:10:15:
I HATE the Metrocard for that very reason: I usually have to go to 2
or 3 different turnstiles in order for the card to work. I have missed
numerous trains because of this "glitch". I much prefer to use tokens
because of this reason, and also because you just don't know how much
value you have on your metrocard until you get to the station, and
even then every station doesn't have one of those "metrocard readers".
I vow to use the token as long as I possibly can until the Transit
Authority forces me to use Metrocard.
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POSTER>Bryan
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SUBJECT>Re: Forest Hills SIRR Station
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Posted by Bryan on November 18, 1997 at 16:50:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Forest Hills SIRR Station posted by Hank Eisnstein
on November 17, 1997 at 18:56:08:
I totally ment to say LIRR...it was late and i was tired.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 18, 1997 at 16:54:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by Bob
Sklar on November 18, 1997 at 15:17:50:
The post-war stations on the "A", East of Broadway-ENY, are also
unconnected: Liberty, Van Sicklen and Shepherd Avenues.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Graffiti Checks
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 18, 1997 at 17:02:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Adam on November 17,
1997 at 00:18:42:
Blood stains are very colorful; do you espouse leaving them in place
too?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: MetroCard Vs. Token
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 18, 1997 at 17:16:00:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Subway Man on
November 18, 1997 at 16:34:32:
I have heard this complaint a lot but it really seems it comes down to
the age/quality of the particular card and the "technique" of the
swiper. I've been using the Metrocard since December '93 and only once
in a while need to reswipe. If anything I find the card swipe much
faster than using a token. Maybe you can use the fare remaining
display machines to practice your swipes. Or if the card is getting
old, get a new one. (It seems faster to buy a new card than get an old
one refilled anyway.)
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Old Philadelphia Commuter Trains
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 18, 1997 at 17:42:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old Philadelphia Commuter Trains posted by Philip
Nasadowski on November 17, 1997 at 19:31:46:
If you are referring to Port Jeff on the LIRR, I doubt it because it
is well beyond the electrified limits of the system, and doesn't have
much storage track.
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POSTER>Lou rom Middletown
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Posted by Lou rom Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 18:41:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by David Pirmann on
November 18, 1997 at 17:16:00:
Does anyone out there know how exact the 2 hour transfer is??? The few
times I have used it, it seems to be a little OVER two hours Any
comments?
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT #7 line: Steinway question
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 18:49:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT #7 line posted by Tim Speer on November 18,
1997 at 12:44:35:
The Steinway tunnels were originally built for streetcars back close
to the turn of the century.They were built by the Steinway Piano
family to connect their original factory in LIC with Grand Central.
They were bought(?) by the city and included in the Dual Contracts at
a fairly late time in the plans. The question I always had about the
Flushing Line is that when the BMT and IRT "jointly operated" the
Astoria and this line - how were monies divided, and who operated the
towers,etc. This is something I've never seen in any book.
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SUBJECT>Re: overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line?RDCs
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 18:54:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line?
posted by Andrewh Huie on November 16, 1997 at 01:54:43:
I believe the last place the RDCs were used in this area was on the
NJT-MN Port Jervis Line were they used in shuttle service between
Suffern and Port. I think they pulled them out around '88-but dont
quote me. As somebody else said-s-l-o-w-w-w.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re:"Streets of Fire" scenes-"St Elsewhere"
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 19:02:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway/El Scenes In The Movie "Streets Of Fire"
posted by Frank Gatazka on November 17, 1997 at 07:42:41:
I get TVLand at my house, and they show "St. Elsewhere", where the
establishing shot of the hospital shows an elevated line next to it.
I've heard that this el no longer exists in Boston,if so where was
this building located???Thanks
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POSTER>Ron Rice
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Posted by Ron Rice on November 18, 1997 at 20:00:10:
Anyone have information on this incomplete project? I have some info
from "Cincinnati Streeetcars", "Electric Lines March-April 1970" and a
few other documents (including the Beeler report in "Traction
Heritage"--don't know the date).
I lived in Cincy from 1946 to 1962. Remember seeing the portals while
driving the Interstate to Cincinnati from Lockland.
If what I have may be of help to you, please let me know.
Looking forward to hearing from my "infected" traction/subway fans.
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POSTER>Joe M
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SUBJECT>Re: Stations (Chicago version)
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Posted by Joe M on November 18, 1997 at 20:20:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations (Chicago version) posted by Ed Sachs on
November 17, 1997 at 10:29:35:
The entrance from the L also worked for the North Shore since they
operated over the L through the loop
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POSTER>Daniel
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SUBJECT>Re: The G & M Lines
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Posted by Daniel on November 18, 1997 at 20:59:53:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Andrew Huie on November
16, 1997 at 00:50:50:
Well, the M can support extra riders, but let me ask this question:
Can the Williamsburg Bridge support the extra service?
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SUBJECT>Re: Junius Street connection (was: Platform Access)
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Posted by Daniel on November 18, 1997 at 21:06:16:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by Bob
Sklar on November 18, 1997 at 15:21:33:
With the 3 and the L in Brooklyn, I believe that the particular
transfer was aided by the LIRR station that was located either at the
Livonia Avenue station or maybe at New Lots Avenue. But, this was when
the Bay Ridge Branch was in existance...
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POSTER>Daniel
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SUBJECT>Re: Stations- West 4th
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Posted by Daniel on November 18, 1997 at 21:10:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations- West 4th posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 15, 1997 at 12:21:34:
Very true... The reason for this is because of the location of
Washington Square (I think)... The south entrance/exit is for West
3rd, and the north entrance/exit (only from Uptown A,C,E platform) is
at West 8th...
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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SUBJECT>Re: MetroCard Vs. Token
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on November 18, 1997 at 21:17:38:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Carl M. Rabbin on
November 18, 1997 at 10:27:55:
I wasn't too good with the card either when I started. I didn't care
for it that much until I picked up the tecnique. Now I find it easier
than tokens. You don't have to search in your pants for them. I just
realized how gross that last sentance probbly sounded.
Anyway...
When are tokens supposed to be gone??? I'd sure like to get a few
before they kill them off...
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SUBJECT>Does anyone outthere have the electronic desination reading list for the R44
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If anyone out there have the electronic desination reading list for
the R44 & R46 subway cars run by NYCT, please post the information on
who can I contact to receive this package. I would greatly appreciate
it very much.
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POSTER>Mike
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SUBJECT>Bring back the rail option in the MOM study by NJ Transit.
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Posted by Mike on November 18, 1997 at 21:45:20:
I think NJ Transit should consider bringing back the rail option in
the MOM study that would operate between Monmouth Junction on the
Northeast Corridor to Lakewood & forget the NIMBY oppostion in
Middlesex County. It would relieve bus & traffic conjection along
Route 9 & the Garden State Parkway, reduce air pollution & bring new
life to residents & businesses in both Monmouth & Ocean Counties.
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POSTER>Adam
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SUBJECT>Re: Graffiti Checks
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Posted by Adam on November 18, 1997 at 22:01:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Gary Jacobi on November
18, 1997 at 17:02:41:
I don't think that anyone would know they were bloodstains in the
first place.
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POSTER>subman23
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SUBJECT>Re: MetroCard Vs. Token
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Posted by subman23 on November 18, 1997 at 22:13:06:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by David Pirmann on
November 18, 1997 at 17:16:00:
I believe a six minute grace period was built into the Metrocard
transfer. This is to prevent customer / railroad arguments over
transfers that expired by a few seconds. More importantly, token booth
terminals have clocks that may not display the exact time.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 18, 1997 at 22:32:56:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Forest Hills SIRR Station posted by Bryan on
November 18, 1997 at 16:50:46:
The Forest Hills LIRR station is undergoing a major renovation.
Progress has been slowed because the existing structures are a
designated landmark and any changes have to be approved.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 18, 1997 at 22:34:46:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Forest Hills SIRR Station posted by Nick on
November 18, 1997 at 10:01:20:
Uh, no, he meant the railroad station, not the subway station nearby.
I agree that the former seriously needs renovation - last time I
visited almost a year ago 2 of the 3 stairs to the eastbound platform
were virtually collapsing and unusable, with chunks of rock actually
breaking off the station structure. The 3rd stairway was only
marginally better. There was also an apparent underpass or space under
the station which is completely boarded up. The station is
architecturally interesting in that it matches, and is actually
connected to, the adjoining Forest Hills Gardens, but the difference
in quality of maintenance between the buildings and station is
striking.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 18, 1997 at 22:46:35:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by Bob
Sklar on November 18, 1997 at 15:17:50:
Actually, at least a couple of the #6's Manhattan stops used to have
crossovers, but they were removed, probably because of unsafe (meaning
crime) conditions. Astor Place was one (the location of the stairway
is marked by a small grate near the token booth area), 23rd Street
(the blocked off stairways might still be visible). I think 28th and
33rd streets also may have lost their underpasses.
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Posted by Steve on November 18, 1997 at 23:56:42:
In Reply to: [7]Re: IRT #7 line: Steinway question posted by Lou from
Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 18:49:26:
I don't know how the monies were divided but the operation of the line
today gives a pretty strong indication as to how the line was run.
Today on the #7 line, the train crews are A division (IRT) crews.
However, the line supervision, and the signal system are B division
(BMT). The #7 cars are the only IRT cars with the trip-cocks on the
BMT side.
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Posted by david vartanoff on November 19, 1997 at 00:31:16:
In the Loop, :a Salle St. Sta was accessinle from the fare mezzanine.
The undercrossing existed at least through 1970 at Astor and late
evenings the downtown side was gated so it was necessary.
Unfortunately it was also a public urinal without drain or flush. I
believe 28th st also had an undercrossing evidence is still there.
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POSTER>Albert
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Posted by Albert on November 19, 1997 at 01:12:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT #7 line posted by Charles Fiori on November
18, 1997 at 16:10:40:
I, also used to wonder about that wooden track next to the local
(Flushing-bound) track was, when I used to go to high school right
there. Now I finally Know the reason.
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SUBJECT>Re: Graffiti Checks
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Posted by -berto on November 19, 1997 at 03:18:48:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Adam on November 17,
1997 at 00:18:42:
This topic reminds me of my El riding back in my high school (1991-95)
days in Chicago. Although I never tagged, I knew plenty of taggers
back then.
The times were different too. Underground culture is a reflection of
the mainstream. When the mainstream is shaky, that is when the the
underground flourishes. The early 1990's was a source of great anxiety
for many, and some of this anxiety is reflected in the graffiti art
that
sprung up. As the mainstream culture became more stable, people who
were
into the underground scene returned (or grew up) into the mainstream.
Since about 1995, graffiti writing has dropped along the Northside
Els,
mainly due to increased policing, increased gentrification (yuppies
won't put up with taggers, even though their kids may be...knew a
few),
but also in my opinion, increased opportunities and maturity for those
involved in tagging. Unless economic anxieties pile up or pop culture
decides to reglamorize tagging as it was in the 1980's, graffiti has
entered a down cycle.
Whether one is pro or anti-graffiti, I think both sides must admit
that to some extent, graffiti is an element of urban transit culture.
It is also a reflection of not only the hopelessness of some, but also
a source of pride for others. There were many colorful murals I
observed riding on CTA Els. I do believe that taggers should face the
consequences of their actions, but at the same time it is a reflection
of the world that the artists lived in.
One thing I did notice was that the old PCC 6000 Els which operated
until
1994 on the Ravenswood (Brown) line remained relatively graffiti free
despite operating on route that serves 5 major city high schools,
while
modern 3200 series cars were marked up the instant they entered
service.
One of my friends put it this way. If something has been in service
for that long and is that old, you have got to give it respect. Which
is true.
Many Chicagoans have parents and grandparents who rode PCC. I rode
PCCs
as a child and saw them retired as a high schooler. As a college
student,
I rewarded myself with a memory...I bought myself a destination roller
complete with CTA route signs from the city. Literally it is a piece
of
history, mine, my parents, and millions of other riders who rode or
saw the 6000's in service or in movies.
my 2.5 cents worth,
roberto
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: Stations- West 4th
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Posted by subway-buff on November 19, 1997 at 04:04:48:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Stations- West 4th posted by Daniel on November
18, 1997 at 21:10:22:
This station has another interesting feature. The Mezzanine
(crossover) is between the 6av and 8 av tracks and it is a full width
mezzanine
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on November 19, 1997 at 08:16:44:
In Reply to: [7]Re:"Streets of Fire" scenes-"St Elsewhere" posted by
Lou from Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 19:02:34:
The building that was used as the edifice for "St. Elsewhere" is near
Northampton Street and Washington Street in the South End of Boston.
Although the El is gone since 1987, the building remains.
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POSTER>Mike K
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Posted by Mike K on November 19, 1997 at 08:43:28:
In Reply to: [7]Bring back the rail option in the MOM study by NJ
Transit. posted by Mike on November 18, 1997 at 21:45:20:
Easy for you to say.
I agree with you 150 percent, but the NIMBY-ists are loud, vocal, and
willing to go to court.
Their concerns: the usual crap. Too much noise, possibility of crime,
and extra traffic in the area of the train stations.
And these people are true NIMBY-ists. One of the towns this would
affect also opposes a freeway from the New Jersey Turnpike to Route 1.
It would create too much traffic, they claim.
The town in question, South Brunswick, is a perfect example of
suburban sprawl. If you live in this town and don't have a car, you're
dead. The Monmouth Junction train station, BTW, would also be in this
town.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 09:23:54:
In Reply to: [7]Re: IRT #7 line: Steinway question posted by Lou from
Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 18:49:26:
I have an interesting article about this that I scanned but haven't
really made available yet. If you want to look at it, see [8]The
Steinway Tunnels.
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SUBJECT>Re: Does anyone outthere have the electronic desination reading list for the
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In Reply to: [7]Does anyone outthere have the electronic desination
reading list for the R44 & R46 subway cars run by NYCT. posted by Mike
on November 18, 1997 at 21:39:33:
The New York Division ERA has been publishing this info on and off for
about a year now, in their Bulletin. If you were a member you'd be
getting it delivered to your doorstep :-) Maybe someone could xerox it
out of the bulletin for you but it was a pretty lengthy listing.
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POSTER>fotios
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Posted by fotios on November 19, 1997 at 12:22:21:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token posted by Subway Man on
November 18, 1997 at 16:34:32:
Alright!! sounds like me.
foti
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on November 19, 1997 at 12:34:16:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Forest Hills *LIRR* station posted by Andrew Huie
on November 18, 1997 at 22:34:46:
I know he meant the LIRR syation, but I was also asking about the
subway station at the same time.-NICK
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Posted by Adam on November 19, 1997 at 12:35:46:
Hey everybody! I know that this may sound like a crazy idea but I have
been thinking about it for a while. A few years ago I was thumbing
through the Guinness Book of World Records and discovered that there
was a record for the shortest time to ride every line of the NYC
Subway system. I haven't looked at it in a while but I think that the
record was around 21 hours or something like that. Well, ever since I
read that I have always wanted to break that record. But breaking this
record would involve a lot of planning, a vast knowledge of each
route, which is the best way to go, etc. So, unable to take on this
mammoth project myself, I was looking for people who would also want
to do this with me, and I figured that this was the best place to see
if anyone would be interested in going in together, breaking this
record, getting famous, and having a lot of fun in the process! So if
anyone is interested in doing this post a message here and maybe we
can form a team and get our names in the Guinnes Book of World
Records! Thanks guys!
--Adam
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Posted by Nick on November 19, 1997 at 12:40:50:
Does anyone have a sound file of the R110 door closing sounds. I.E.
ding-dong "Please watch the closing doors" bee-bee-be-bee. If anyone
has a sound like this, please post it. thanks-NICK
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Posted by Nick on November 19, 1997 at 12:45:46:
In Reply to: [7]Re: safety and New Years Eve posted by David Pirmann
on November 18, 1997 at 11:34:48:
An estimated half million people watch the ball drop, and many of them
take the train home. A lot of these riders will be liquered up, and
the NYPD knows it. There will be heavy police presence, so don't worry
about it. If you want to worry about something, be aware of
pickpockets when you are in TIMES SQUARE, but relax when your on the
train.-NICK
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on November 19, 1997 at 12:48:23:
In Reply to: [7]Everybody Read This! posted by Adam on November 19,
1997 at 12:35:46:
I'd love to help out! But I'd need to do it when I'm not in school.
Could we plan this by Christmas vacation? Fire off an e-mail to me,
and we'll talk more....NICK
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Posted by Bobby on November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
OK, I have lurked here for a long time, and I will post some
interesting information Ive found. Hopefully, I wont get spammed in
the process. I apologize for the length of this posting, but I imagine
it will be of interest to those who frequent this site.
Having read about the unbuilt IND Second System, and having been
particularly intrigued by the enormous never-used station shell at S.
4th St. Brooklyn (boy, Id love to see that!), I went to my local
library and looked up the New York Times from September 16, 1929, the
day the plans for the Second System were first made public. This was a
front page story, and carries a significant amount of detail about
this project. Interestingly, it also states that the total projected
cost would be $ 438,000,000. Thats not a lot by todays standards, but
bear in mind that the entire IND First System cost $ 338,000,000. In
addition, the article states that the $ 438,000,000 does NOT include
acquisition of private property, financing costs (e.g. the cost of
issuing bonds), equipment costs and other additional items. Total cost
was estimated at $ 800,000,000. Plans for how this was to be financed
were not outlined, and this makes one wonder how serious these plans
were, although they were quite detailed. In any event, the ensuing
stock market crash and Depression no doubt wiped them out entirely.
What was included:
Manhattan
-- Second Avenue subway: From Pine and Water Sts, via Water St., Pearl
St., New Bowery, Chrystie St., Second Ave. 2 tracks to Chambers St., 4
tracks to 61st St., 6 tracks to 125th St., 4 tracks to the Harlem
river, with connection to Bronx lines as outlined in the Bronx section
below.
-- 61st Street subway: Connection from Sixth Ave line at 52nd St. to
61st St. and Second Ave, 2 tracks. No Queens connection at this point
is outlined in the original plan.
-- Worth St. Line-Connection from WTC stub end local tracks to S. 4th
St. Brooklyn: Via Worth St., East Broadway and Grand St., 2 tracks.
This would use a separate river tunnel from the Houston St. line
below, and the two river tunnels would meet at the enormous S. 4th St.
junction.
-- Houston St. Line: From the stub end tracks at Second Avenue of
todays F to a new river tunnel, separate from the above line, meeting
at S. 4th St., 2 tracks.
Of course, these proposals explain many of the provisions for
transfers outlined in Joe Brennans outstanding list, including the
stubs at Second Avenue, the room for a line at East Broadway, etc. All
of these lines were subway.
Bronx
-- Boston Road Line: From the Second Avenue Line, 4 tracks under the
river to Alexander Avenue, passing 149th St. and Third Avenue, then
northeasterly to the intersection of Elton, Brook and Washington
Aves., then to Boston Road at the junction of that thoroughfare with
163rd St. and Third Ave.. Here, 2 tracks would branch off as outlined
below. The Boston Road line would continue with 2 tracks along Boston
Road to 177th St. At that point the subway would emerge onto an el,
continue through the 180th St. yard, and use the White Plains Rd.
line, (which would be modified to B division standards). A Morris Park
Avenue Line would arise from this line in the 180th St. yard as well
(outlined below). This entire line would be 4 tracks.
-- 163rd St-Hunts Point, Lafayette Ave Line: 2 tracks branching off
the Boston Road trunk line, curving east as a subway along 163rd St.,
and then Garrison Ave, emerging as an el at Edgewater Road and Seneca
Ave., across the Bronx River, then along Lafayette Avenue for several
miles to East Tremont Ave at East 177th St. This would include a
transfer with the Pelham line at Hunts Point Avenue. The line would
serve the extreme East Bronx (i.e. near the Bruckner interchange and
on to Throgs Neck).
-- Concourse Line Extension: From 205th and Bainbridge, along Burke
Avenue to Boston Road, and then along Boston Road approx 2 miles to
Baychester Avenue, 2 tracks. This would thus be an east-west Bronx
line heading in the direction of todays Co-op City, and would include
a transfer with the White Plains Road line at Burke Avenue..
-- Morris Park Avenue-Wilson Ave Line: 2 tracks northeasterly along
Morris Park Avenue (does not say whether this would be el or subway),
and then north along Wilson Avenue to Boston Road to meet the
Concourse Line extension and continue to Baychester Avenue and Boston
Road.
Obviously, an extensive knowledge of Bronx geography, or a map, helps
enormously in envisioning these lines. I have a decent familiarity
with the Bronx, having gone to high school there, yet this was
difficult for me without a map. A sketch is included in the article,
but unfortunately, I dont have a scanner. Clearly, parts of the
Lafayette Ave. line duplicate the Pelham line (which was then run by
the competing IRT), but there are areas of the East Bronx that are not
served today that would have been had the line been built. The Morris
Park Avenue Line was clearly planned without knowing that the NYW&B
would become available for rapid transit use.
Brooklyn
-- Liberty Avenue Line: Extension of the A, then under construction. 4
tracks from Eastern Pkwy/Broadway Junction along Liberty Avenue to
about Wyona Avenue, and then 3 tracks along the Liberty Avenue el from
Grant Avenue to Lefferts Blvd. But, it didnt end there. The Second
System would have made great strides in serving parts of Queens not
served at all today (see details of Queens lines below). The Liberty
Avenue line would have been extended along Liberty Avenue and then
Brinckerhoff Avenue and Hollis Avenues all the way to Springfield
Blvd., a distance of 6.2 miles. 3 tracks would have been present to
180th St., and 2 tracks from there to Springfield Blvd. There would
have been a short 2 track spur running along 180th St. and then
Jamaica Avenue to connect to the end of the Jamaica el at 168th St.
Presumably, all beyond Lefferts Blvd. would be an el, but that is not
specified. This line is sort of what the Archer Avenue line was
supposed to be, as there would also have been a transfer to a line
tying-in with the Queens Blvd. IND running down Van Wyck Blvd. That
line would have also gone (as a separate line) to SE Queens (see
Queens details below).
-- South 4th Street-Utica Avenue Line: This would have gone (as
subway) from the Houston St. river tunnel to Grand St. in
Williamsburg, southeasterly to S. 4th St. and Driggs Ave., then along
S. 4th Street (easterly and parallel to Broadway), then along Union
Avenue and then Beaver Street to turn south along Stuyvesant Avenue
until moving to Utica Avenue at approximately Fulton Street (where the
never-used shell is in place today). The Utica Avenue Line would then
have continued as subway to Avenue I, emerged as an el and continued
to Avenue S, where it would have moved to Nostrand Avenue and
continued to its terminal at Voorhies Avenue in Sheepshead Bay. There
would have been 2 tracks from the river to the S. 4th St. junction,
then 8 tracks (!!) (two levels of 4 tracks, with the other level for
the Myrtle-Central-Rockaway line outlined below), to the cut-off for
the Stuyvesant-Utica line, then 4 tracks to Avenue S, then 2 tracks
with a provision for expansion to 4 to Voorhies Ave.
The other river tunnel, arising from the Worth St. line (see Manhattan
above) would have continued as 2 tracks under Broadway Brooklyn and
then southeasterly to the S. 4th St. junction. So, S. 4th Street would
have been the junction of two river tunnels, with a transfer to the
GG, and would have given rise to two major trunk lines heading east.
Its not impossible to envision this station as the most complicated in
the system, like Hoyt-Schermerhorn, but with as many, or more,
connections as Queens Plaza. Depending on how flexible they wanted
service to be, the track connections here could have been incredible.
Despite being in a relative backwater location (although Williamsburg,
especially then, was an area of importance), it would have been quite
busy.
A plan to extend the IRT Nostrand Avenue Line as a 2 track subway to
Kings Highway, and then as an el to meet the Utica Avenue Line at
Avenue S was also included. Presumably, this would have been a
transfer and not a direct track connection since there would be A and
B division lines meeting here.
-- Myrtle Avenue-Central Avenue-Rockaway Line: At Stuyvesant Avenue,
where the Utica Avenue Line would turn south, this line would continue
east as a subway along Bushwick Avenue, Myrtle Avenue, and then
Central Avenue to about 73rd Place, where it would emerge and then
follow the LIRR Montauk Division. It would have continued to the LIRR
Rockaway Branch and then turned south through Forest Park, and
continued south to Jamaica Bay. It would have been 4 tracks to Howard
Beach, then 2 tracks. It would then cross Jamaica Bay and the islands
paralleling Cross Bay Blvd to a point on the Rockaway peninsula near
Hammels Avenue and Beach 83rd St.. The line would have gone to Beach
149th Street to the south (not Beach 116th St. -- it would have
extended the line along Newport Avenue for 1.6 miles), and Mott Avenue
to the North. These would have been 2 track lines in Rockaway, as they
are today.
A cross-connection to the IND Queens Blvd. line (the Winfield Spur
below), was also proposed, so Rockaway passengers could get to midtown
as well as downtown Manhattan. In addition, a 120th Avenue line
serving SE Queens and linking to the Van Wyck Blvd. line would have
come off the main Rockaway line at North Conduit Avenue (see below in
Queens section).
Some of these lines would have paralleled existing Brooklyn els, and
one wonders if the plan was for the els to be demolished once the new
lines were constructed.
Queens
-- Winfield Spur: This was designed to provide through service to the
Rockaways from midtown, and also to serve the neighborhoods of Maspeth
and Ridgewood. It would have been a two track line arising from the
Roosevelt Avenue station (the never-used upper level station, but also
would have track connections to the main line), and curving
southeasterly between 78th and 79th Sts. to Queens Blvd., then along
the LIRR ROW into Garfield Avenue to 65th Place, then along 65th Place
to Fresh Pond Road, and then along Fresh Pond Rd and Cypress Hills
Avenue to a connection with the Central Avenue line outlined above.
The line would be 2 tracks, and would be subway to 45th Avenue, then
elevated to Fresh Pond Road, then subway again to Central Avenue. In
looking at the map, the rationale for the circuitous route becomes a
little more apparent, since it appears to skirt some large cemeteries,
thus staying in the residential/commercial areas.
-- 120th Avenue Line: Arising from the Rockaway line, this would have
run for 5.23 miles east along 120th Avenue and then Springfield Blvd.
to Foch Blvd. It would have been 4 tracks to its junction with the Van
Wyck Blvd. line (see below), and then 2 tracks. Obviously, it would
have served parts of southeast Queens that have no rapid transit
service at present, yet badly need it. It would have been an elevated
line throughout.
-- Van Wyck Boulevard Line: Utilizing the track connection later taken
by todays Archer Avenue Line, this would have arisen from the Queens
Blvd IND, and continued as subway along Van Wyck Blvd 166th Avenue,
and then as elevated to its junction with the 120th Avenue Line at
Rockaway Blvd. This line would have been 2 tracks.
-- Flushing Line Extension: Having grown up in Flushing, this is my
favorite. The line would have been extended as subway along Roosevelt
Avenue to 150th St., and then would have emerged and followed the LIRR
Port Washington ROW to 221st St. and 38th Avenue. It would have been 3
tracks to 155th St., then 2 tracks.
In addition, a two track line would have branched off at 147th St. and
Roosevelt Avenue and run along 149th St. running as subway to 35th
Avenue and then as elevated (if you know this area, you know it would
be very different with an el along 149th St.!), to 11th Avenue, at
which point it would turn and follow 11th Avenue to 122nd Street in
College Point. These additions would thus provide service to Murray
Hill, Auburnadale, Bayside, Whitestone and College Point.
-- Astoria Line Extension: This would have curved east along Ditmars
Blvd., Astoria Blvd., 112th St., and then diagonally across
intervening streets and the Flushing River to Nassau Blvd. for several
miles to Cross Island Blvd.. This line would have been entirely
elevated, with two tracks to Astoria Blvd., then 4 tracks to Parsons
and Nassau Blvds, and then 2 tracks to its terminus. Even as a Queens
native, Im not sure what Nassau Blvd is, although I think its todays
Booth Memorial Avenue, although it could be Horace Harding Blvd as
well. I assume Cross Island Blvd is what was there before the Cross
Island Pkwy, although it could also be Francis Lewis Blvd or Utopia
Pkwy. In any event, broad areas of Queens including Steinway, East
Elmhurst, Kew Garden Hills and Fresh Meadows that are not served by
rapid transit today would have had direct subway access.
According to the article, if these lines were all built, only about 42
of Queenss 100 square miles would be left without rapid transit
service, and much of that territory is mostly shorefront. Certainly,
Queens would be very different if these lines had been built. Service
would have been much better, but the areas would probably have been
more densely built up as well.
Staten Island
Nothing proposed, although a proposed vehicular Narrows Tunnel was
included in the proposal, although separate funding was to be
obtained.
Oh well, enjoy imagining what might have been!
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 19, 1997 at 14:22:17:
In Reply to: [6]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
Vs. some of the other material on here, this is great stuff. Not all
of these details are known by a good many of us regular parishioners,
so thanks for taking the time to reserach and inform.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 19, 1997 at 14:25:42:
In Reply to: [6]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
Sorry, one more detail you might find interesting...You can see the
beginnings of a roadbed for the Worth Street connection looking out
the front window, shortly before the southbound "E" gets into WTC.
Look off to the right basically at the bottom of the 'fly-under'
crossover.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 19, 1997 at 14:37:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT #7 line: Steinway question posted by David
Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 09:23:54:
David, once again, thank you. As the #7 is the line on which I cut my
teeth as a subway fan, any additional info on the ins and outs are
always appreciated. I can remember wearing shorts in the summer and
getting imprints on my legs from the rattan seats on the R12/14s, and
also when the equipment changed to doors with oval windows (vs. the 2
circles) so I could finally look out!!
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 15:24:37:
In Reply to: [7]Re: IRT #7 line: Steinway question posted by Charles
Fiori on November 19, 1997 at 14:37:02:
No Problemo. I'm hoping that article will be the first of a series of
old ERA stuff on the site. I'm trying to iron out some permissions
details, so to speak. In the mean time, take a look at the diagram of
the Grand Central Steinway station layout. It's fascinating especially
if you know what the station is like today.
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Posted by Russ on November 19, 1997 at 15:30:58:
Well it's official, the new sets for the shooting of the re-make of
the classic subway movie "The Taking of Pelham 123" are under
construction in our unused lower Bay Station of the Toronto Transit
subway. (They shot "Darkman Two" there) The movie company will be
using done up sets and H-1 (Hawker-Siddley) 75' cars for the shoot.
They will also be doing a set to recreat the Command Center based on
photos of the Hillcrest Control Center in Toronto. This should be
interesting as it progresses. Do hope it is technically accruate. Stay
tuned for dates and results
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 19, 1997 at 15:58:54:
In Reply to: [6]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
No apology for the length of your posting is necessary, it is easily
the most informative posting yet on the Second System. How did you
determine the date, or did you find it searching by subject?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 19, 1997 at 16:21:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Adam on November 18,
1997 at 22:01:06:
Good point.
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 17:01:21:
In Reply to: [7]IND Second System (long post) posted by Bobby on
November 19, 1997 at 14:03:46:
Bobby,
Thanks for that great post. If you don't mind I'd like to incorporate
it into the existing pages about the Second Avenue Subway.
If you've got the original article on paper, I'd love to scan it for
the site. Speaking of which, did your local library have the NY times
on paper or microfilm? Microfilm is nearly impossible to use as a
scannable source. Too small and often scratched. The printouts are
terrible too. Just curious on that one. If anyone does know a paper
source for old NY Times (prior to 1922 is out of copyright) I'd love
to know of it. There's an amazing amount of information in them that
is begging to be put online.
-dave
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POSTER>Ted
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SUBJECT>Re: New Years Eve 1999
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Posted by Ted on November 19, 1997 at 17:16:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: safety and New Years Eve posted by David Pirmann
on November 18, 1997 at 11:34:48:
I'm curious about New Years Eve 1999 , are there any projections of
the possible number of people that will be in the Times Square area on
that night ?
Can the subway handle millions of people , departing at the same time
?
Would it be possible to have some subway lines run in only one
direction
while another line runs in the opposite direction ?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 19, 1997 at 17:22:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Stations (Chicago version) posted by Ed Sachs on
November 17, 1997 at 10:29:35:
Closest el stop to a Metra terminal is the station at LaSalle/Van
Buren. The Rock Island terminal is right downstairs, but there is no
direct passageway. Before the sorely needed reconstruction of
Northwestern Station, now named something else, there was a walkway
through the terminal, where the re-installed Track 1 now resides. One
could walk all the way to the Lake/Dan Ryan (then, now the "Green
Line") station at "Clinton/Northwest Passage". That pathway no longer
exists and one becomes subject to the elements for at least a part of
the walk. It was great for me if I missed my CNW West Line train, I
could just hop the 'el'.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 19, 1997 at 18:13:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by David
Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 17:01:21:
I have already started to put Bobby's route descriptions onto a map,
but am running into trouble getting appropriate base maps. I will
concentrate on downtown Manhattan, which I have, and wait and see what
you can accomplish as far as getting the graphics from the original
Times article. This is a GREAT find!
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 19, 1997 at 18:24:30:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Nick on November
19, 1997 at 12:48:23:
I'd love to do this! I've wondered what the record was.....email me
when you've got plans ironed in.
nixon@quuxuum.org
-hANK
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SUBJECT>NYC Transit Museum Day One on the IRT Tour
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Posted by David L. on November 19, 1997 at 18:27:04:
Is there an age requirement to go on the Transit Museum's Day One on
the IRT tour?
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Posted by Bobby on November 19, 1997 at 18:27:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND Second System (long post) posted by David
Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 17:01:21:
You are certainly welcome to use the Second System posting as part of
this site's piece on the Second Avenue subway, although you might want
to modify some of my personal comments.
I got the information off microfilm, as that was all that was
available. The printout is in fact rather scratchy and poor, but the
mapsketch might be usable. If Dave posts a snail mail address, I'll
mail it to you.
As far as knowing what date to look up, I knew it was 1929, and just
looked for "Independent Subway" in the NY Times Index.
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SUBJECT>Re: Let's take a poll!
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Posted by Eric B on November 19, 1997 at 18:41:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by Mike on November 15,
1997 at 11:42:02:
"KK" first appeared on the original R-27/30 signs in 1960. It was to
be the old #14 Bway-Bklyn shortline to Canal. In 1967, when the
Eastern Div. lines were officially lettered, for some reason, these
trains were designated "JJ". Then, in 1968, when they were routed to
6th Av, it became the "KK", and later the "K". In 1991, with the old
AA replaced by expanded B and C service, the K was proposed for a
Canarsie skip-stop service between Myrtle and Lorimer. Maybe now
they'll consider that when the Williamsburg Bridge is closed for 5
months in the next couple of years. A grey "K" even appears on the
R-110B front sign!
Another use I've suggested is for evenings and weekends. The old K ran
only rush hours, and was discontinued because of low ridership, but
maybe it is more needed during these other times, especially since the
M does not run to Manhattan, and the additional service is not needed
in lower Manhattan off-hours. It could go to 168th, replacing the C,
or to 21st St replacing shuttles when the Manhattan Bridge is closed.
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Posted by Adam on November 19, 1997 at 18:44:21:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Nick on November
19, 1997 at 12:48:23:
The same applies for me, as I am in school as well. If we could all
get together around the end of December and beginning of January to do
this that would be really cool. Also, if everybody can just post to
here instead of e-mailing me, it would be a lot easier to coordinate
so everybody can see what's going on. Finally, one thing that we need
to find out is how exactly one should go about breaking a world
record, like how to make it official and all of that business. Thanks!
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Posted by Eric B on November 19, 1997 at 18:53:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R68 become Coupled Semi-Permanent?? posted by
Lefty on November 17, 1997 at 19:45:40:
I don't think so; the purpose is not space, and the cars that were
done didn't have any cabs removed.
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Posted by Nick on November 19, 1997 at 19:00:22:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Adam on November
19, 1997 at 18:44:21:
I'll definitly do it if my parents allow me (i'm 18 and a high school
senior) Somehow I have to prove to them that this is for real, and
that I'm not just meeting some "freak" on the net (i believe Adam, but
my parents may not) Any suggestions on how to approach this?
Also, remember that NYC is busy over the holidays, but I'm sure we can
still pull it off then.-NICK
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Does anyone outthere have the electronic
desination reading list for the R44 & R46 subway cars run by NYCT.
posted by David Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 09:29:46:
Yeah, it's about 40 pages long, and has alot of interesting things,
such as "T", which is basically a West End extra, which can run via
Bway, 6th Av (uptown or Queens), or Nassau St; "W", a Broadway extra
that can run to any BMT Southern Div northern or southern branch and
terminal; "V", a 6th Av extra that can go uptown, Queens, and on the
Culver or Brighton lines; An "X" to 21st St and WTC; The once proposed
A-6th Av/Brighton service; C, E, or G
to Coney Is, via Culver, and even the M between Essex and all the
southern terminals from Canal to Coney Is. via any of the Brooklyn
branches, and J to Essex, Canal, Chambers, and Broad; the D that used
to turn around at Essex to go from 6th Av. to Nassau, I, L, O, P, Y,
and Z have one code each, but with no routes or destinations.
At the end, each station is included with no line.
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Posted by Eric B on November 19, 1997 at 19:31:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MetroCard Vs. Token:Speaking of ..... posted by
Lou rom Middletown on November 18, 1997 at 18:41:57:
It's 2 hours and 18 minutes.
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Posted by subway-buff` on November 19, 1997 at 19:33:54:
In Reply to: [7]NYC Transit Museum Day One on the IRT Tour posted by
David L. on November 19, 1997 at 18:27:04:
I am a museum member. On *all* tours I have been on there have been
children present. I presume (do not answer) you must be middle
elementary age or older and as such I see no problem.
I have been on this tour- it is great. You'll see 91st and Broadway,
Times Square, Grand Central including shuttle at both ends, 18 st and
Park Ave South, Side Platforms at Brooklyn Bridge,a nd of course City
Hall Station.
Great tour. Mr. Cunningham who is the guide is very knowledgeable and
you'll learn alot.
This is not a fake message. The SIter Host knows my name and my
honesty.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 19, 1997 at 19:58:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 19, 1997 at 18:24:30:
I got my wife's permission! We need to have a couple of meetings to
iron out the route and we need to contact a verifible source to make
it a public record. Also, we need a list of public restrooms and
shower facilities since it will take over 20 hours to do!
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Posted by Bobw on November 19, 1997 at 20:57:22:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Old Philadelphia Commuter Trains posted by Andrew
Byler on November 17, 1997 at 22:27:33:
You are probably right about the dates that the Blues remained in
service. However, there were only 38 Blues, converted from the old
Reading MU stock in the mid-60's (quite a few of these were combines -
these could be easily recognized by the picture window, which stood
out at the ends in contrast to the old narrow windows). The green cars
were actually old unconverted cars. Many of the Blues received the
SEPTA red/blue stripe scheme toward the end of their careers. To the
best of my knowledge, none of the "greens" ever received this scheme,
although a handful of MP-54's did.
After SEPTA consolidated the commuter lines in 1977 (but before the
opening of the Commuter Tunnel and unification of the Pennsy and
Reading sides in 1984), many of the Blues were transferred over to the
Pennsy side, where they could usually be found on the Media line. On
the Reading side, they had no usual assignment.
The Commuter Tunnel contributed to their demise due to the grades at
either end, which began to take a toll on the old motors. I have been
told that this was a problem before the Tunnel when the cars were
moved to the Media line and this could explain why they were
concentrated on one line. After the Tunnel opened, they could be found
on R3 (Media-West Trenton at the time).
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Posted by Koi on November 19, 1997 at 21:14:04:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Adam on November
19, 1997 at 18:44:21:
I certianly would love to be a part of this! I've always wanted to do
this every since I was around 14 or 15 years old (I'm now 26) but I
wasn't allowed to do this sort of thing until I moved out on my own
(that was after I had graduated college a few years ago). Actually, I
tried to ride the subway in the shortest time possible on the weekend
of 30 Aug to 1 Sept 1996 but I wasn't able to cover all subway lines
during that time period (I was in the system for slightly more than 48
hours before I had to go back home).
Koi
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Re: Everybody Read This!
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Posted by Peter Rosa on November 19, 1997 at 22:17:24:
In Reply to: [7]Everybody Read This! posted by Adam on November 19,
1997 at 12:35:46:
Heck, I'd like to join the bunch myself! It sure would be a lot of
fun, not to mention an experience to talk about.
One thing, all the track work and service diversions being done these
days might make it hard to set any records.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 19, 1997 at 23:40:29:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Everybody Read This! posted by Fernando Perez on
November 19, 1997 at 19:58:34:
Someone with some programming experience might want to shove the
schedules into a database and have a computer churn out possible
routes.
I won't be joining you guys :-) but here are my thoughts on it. YMMV.
hth.
1. For it to be really valid, in my opinion the criteria for "riding
the whole system" is to take local trains-- you must be on a train
that stops at every station. No express runs thru stations unless you
plan to also stop there on a local.
2. Pick a weekday not a weekend - more service is running and more
frequently.
3. Since you will have to double back quite a bit, plan to use express
trains to double back where possible. E.g. Ride a local #6 out to
Pelham in the morning rush but an express 6 back to save some time.
Also doable on the #7, #2/5 in the Bronx, etc. Plan to do these
sections during rush hour but don't forget to ride a local for the
all-stations rule.
4. Start at an outlying terminal that is quite a distance from the
next transfer point. The Bronx IRT lines seem the best for this. This
way you save yourself one double-back on the clock.
5. Where lines "loop" plan to come in on one and out the other.
Obvious I know, but bear with me. It's important for the route
planning. For instance, the J to Jamaica Center, out on the E. Then
the short piece of the F between Van Wyck and 179th, then back on the
F to Continental, where you have to switch to a local anyway. The
Stillwell Av-Atlantic Ave section can be done in two loops (out-in
out-in). (For instance out on the D, back in on the B, out on the N,
and back in on the F or reverse. The F has to be the start or the end
since it doesn't meet at Dekalb/Atlantic).
6. Any place where there are two local services (G/R Queens Blvd, J/M
Broadway El, etc) only one needs to be ridden to qualify for the
all-stations rule.
7. Transfer stations need to be ridden thru more than once if there
are multiple distinct service platforms (where "platforms" means the
platforms in both directions on a particular *line*). E.g. you have to
ride thru "Times Square" on the A, C, or E, on the 1-2-3 or 9, on the
N/R, on the 7, and the S. But, Hoyt-Schermerhorn need only be ridden
thru on the A or C or G but not both the A/C and G. And you needn't
ride thru a station in both directions. Stopping on one "side" of the
station is suffieent for the all-stations rule.
8. Take a full set of maps and timetables (print 'em out from the MTA
web site.) Get a list of all the stations and a clipboard and mark off
the time that your train stops at each one for record keeping. Have
more than one person do this for verification if possible. Write to
the MTA ahead of time and ask if they have any information about past
attempts- they might have some useful information, and they might even
help you -- by allowing you to use private restrooms or something.
Also, just to let them know you're doing it you'll have some paperwork
in case anyone asks you what you're doing :-) WRite the Guiness people
and ask them for the records of the current record, so to speak. You
need to make sure you satisfy THEIR criteria if you're serious on
doing it.
9. In practical terms... Food: Bring it. Get a bunch of those small
igloo things. You'll need food, snacks, drinks. Lots of water. The
steel dust is nasty after a while. Moist towelettes. You're not going
to find public showers (since you can't leave the system during your
attempt--- remember, ONE FARE!) and the restrooms you find won't be
very tidy. :-)
10. Some other ideas. Avoid doubling back on slow lines e.g. the J
over the Williamsburgh Bridge or the L between Manhattan and Brooklyn.
11. Look at the [8]Route maps by time of day to help you know what
services are shuttles or changed at night (e.g. F-B-Q weirdness going
to 63rd St.) Look at the MTA web site for service disruption info.
There's a question about what to do if you are on a train at night and
it is going to skip some stations due to construction-- I think you
should plan around these as much as possible... Try not to break the
all-station rule. If you do skip stations, try to find a flyer about
the service disruption to "prove" what happened.
Sounds like fun. Perhaps someone could bring a cellular phone and
phone updates into the web site. :-)
-Dave
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 15, 1997 at 00:25:14:
In Reply to: [7]R-142 Exterior paint posted by Steve on November 14,
1997 at 19:17:20:
Why would they paint a stainless steel car with fiberglass ends? It
doesn't need paint!
-Hank
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on November 15, 1997 at 07:20:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-142 Exterior paint posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 15, 1997 at 00:25:14:
You know that & I know that but the Customer Service people think
otherwise
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POSTER>George Campoli
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SUBJECT>Family members who worked on subway !
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Posted by George Campoli on November 15, 1997 at 10:39:51:
Hello,
It is believed that my grandfather George Mandzik worked on the N Y
Subway sometime after 1911. Is there any archive information to
substantiate this?
My great uncle Uljan "Julius" Predko is also believed to have worked
on the subway at the same time. Julius may have been killed while
working on the subway. Is there a fatality list of those who were
killed while working on the subway's construction ?
They both lived in Brooklyn at the time.
Sincerely,
George Campoli
Denver,Colorado
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on November 15, 1997 at 10:42:12:
In Reply to: [7]Re: R-142 Exterior paint posted by Steve on November
15, 1997 at 07:20:49:
Did anyone get a picture of this paint scheme?
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POSTER>Mike
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SUBJECT>Re: Let's take a poll!
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Posted by Mike on November 15, 1997 at 11:42:02:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Let's take a poll! posted by John on November 13,
1997 at 22:24:06:
I believe the original K (KK) started in 1968 (right after 57th
Street-6th Avenue was opened) and ran until about 1976.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Stations- West 4th
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 15, 1997 at 12:21:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Stations- West 4th posted by Steve on November 08,
1997 at 19:14:07:
The odd thing about the W4st station is that there is actually no
entrance/exit that is marked W4 st. You can exit at w3, and you can
exit at the north end of the station, but there is no stairway that
actually puts you on w4.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Platform Access (was: Stations)
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 15, 1997 at 12:24:54:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by Gerry
O'Regan on November 08, 1997 at 19:30:16:
The BMT 4th Ave line is like this past 59st. This can work both for
and against the TA. For, where they only have to install 2 elevators
to make the station accessable, because the booths are at platform
level.
Bad, because they can't close one booth without preventing entrance to
the station, and not providing transfer for passengers who may have
missed their stop.
-Hank
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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SUBJECT>Re: What is DVARP?
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on November 15, 1997 at
In Reply to: [7]Re: What is DVARP? posted by John, John, John!!! on
November 14, 1997 at 22:43:32:
Why don't you guys just use your last names? What do you have to hide?
I don't think anyone who just uses "John" as a handle can really claim
they "own" it. So lets not get into these little squabbles eh?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Family members who worked on subway !
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Posted by David Pirmann on November 15, 1997 at 12:34:38:
In Reply to: [7]Family members who worked on subway ! posted by George
Campoli on November 15, 1997 at 10:39:51:
The NY Transit Museum archives might be able to help you with this.
Keep in mind that this site is unofficial. For something like that you
might have a lot of leg work to do. For instance, the corporations
that ran the subway back then don't even exist any more.
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POSTER>Lefty
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Posted by Lefty on November 15, 1997 at 13:28:30:
In Reply to: [7]Re: NYD-ERA Membership Questions (C.l.Rabbin) posted
by fotios on November 14, 1997 at 11:49:21:
thanks for the info
Lefty as in Left Handed
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POSTER>Lefty
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SUBJECT>nyct bus #1841 on the bx10
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Posted by Lefty on November 15, 1997 at 13:31:55:
the other day i was waiting for a bus to go to school (i take the bx10
from w231st st to Paul Ave and 205th, the bronx high school of
science) and to my surprise a bus with an unfamiliar number pulled
up.. in most cases the numbers are in the 4thousands.. this one was
1841 and when i got on i noticed it had cushioned seats! what a nice
surprise. can anyone tell me what this bus was oding running on the
bx10? i figured it was transferred for one reason or another from an
express bus line maybe? are they just installing these nice new seats
on all the buses? it happened again with bus 1814 by the way in the
opposite direction..
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POSTER>Lefty
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SUBJECT>overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line?
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Posted by Lefty on November 15, 1997 at 13:35:25:
on the way back form albany on AMTRAK i noticed at the side of the
tracks somewhere around poughkeepsie i think, two old train cars that
had equipment on top to receive electricity from catenary wires. as
far as i know there were never overhead lines along the hudson line?
what was taht train doing there? i also noticed some old cars with
MNRR markings that looked just like the coach that i was riding in
except for a hump on the top. when were these cars in service?
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SUBJECT>A third NYCT bus service between Brooklyn & Staten Island.
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Posted by Steve on November 15, 1997 at 13:49:54:
I have read recently in the NYCT Staten Island Transit Needs
Assessment Study in there Park & Ride section on the College of Staten
Island that NYCT was looking at a College of Staten Island to Brooklyn
route, I would like to know from anyone on when this new route would
begin, it's number, what avenue, streets or etc will it operate on &
where will it operate between. I would greatly appreciate it.
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POSTER>Mike
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Posted by Mike on November 15, 1997 at 13:55:26:
In Reply to: [7]nyct bus #1841 on the bx10 posted by Lefty on November
15, 1997 at 13:31:55:
Lefty, I just wanted to let you know that NYCT has been using alot of
the soft cushion seats on many of its routes coming out of Jackie
Gleason, Ulmer Park, Flatbush & Manhattanville, mostly all of the
1740's to the 1859 series because there using alot of the new express
bus coaches with the soft internior seats & also because more service
was being added & needed more buses for the added service, they
probably decided to use the soft cushion seats on the local routes.
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POSTER>Timothy
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Posted by Timothy on November 15, 1997 at 14:59:02:
Some of you may remember me posting a message earlier this year asking
about the 1984 movie "Streets Of Fire", which shows lots of subway/el
footage. In one of the replies I got, it was said that most of the
scenes
were a set. I know that the real subway and el scenes in the movie
were
shot in Chicago, as they showed the 6000 series (PCC) trains, and a
train
crossing the Chicago River on either the Lake Street (Green Line), or
the
Ravenswood (Brown Line). Of those of you who are familiar with Streets
Of
Fire, Can you tell me if any of the scenes were shot under the East
63rd
Street "L" structure? Because in the movie, the "L" structures had
lattice
in the support columns, very similar to the structures on East 63rd
St.,
as well as the short elevated portion of the O'Hare (Blue Line). When
I
was in Chicago back in September, I've noticed that none of the "L"
structures in The Loop had lattice in the support columns.
Also in the movie, there is a scene where a train comes down off the
"L"
structure, and into a subway station. Can anyone tell me what station
that
was? I know that the Red and Blue Lines are the only 2 subways in
downtown
Chicago. Thanks.
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POSTER>Bobw
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SUBJECT>Re: Philadelphia Transit Website?
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Posted by Bobw on November 15, 1997 at 16:23:19:
In Reply to: [7]Philadelphia Transit Website? posted by John on
November 13, 1997 at 12:08:05:
DVARP is the Delaware Valley Association of Railroad Passengers (the
Phila area is also referred to as the Delaware Valley). Its website is
libertynet.org:80/~dvarp/
It has info and news on Phila area commuter rail and transit
operations and posts its current newsletter (which is quite good) on
the website.
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POSTER>Bobw
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SUBJECT>Re: How about restoring N express service?
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Posted by Bobw on November 15, 1997 at 16:30:49:
In Reply to: [7]Re: How about restoring N express service? posted by
Adam on November 11, 1997 at 20:30:03:
My previous posting noted that the express should be restored only in
Manhattan. I realize express service on the Astoria line is
impractical. By the same token, as mentioned in other postings, the
Broadway (Manhattan) line is a great visitor line, and it could even
be better with swift express service.
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POSTER>Russ
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SUBJECT>Toronto's Battery Runs and Express Experiment (oh-oh)
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Posted by Russ on November 15, 1997 at 16:31:52:
Well it seems like the power struggle has begun. THE BOSS Mr. G
brought up Mr. L (on contract from MTA) up to Toronto to advise on
service modifications. Express trains, battery runs, by passing etc.
Well things where going along pretty well and it seem to be working
when suddenly the rules change in mid stream (again) and we can't do
it anymore because we ? (sic) failed to inform the public about our
new stradegies about how to run a Subway. Do you experience the same
type of what's right one day is wrong the next day in NYC? Just
curious.
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POSTER>Jeff
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SUBJECT>MTA Paint schemes
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Posted by Jeff on November 15, 1997 at 17:27:40:
Whoever is in charge of MTA paint schemes should get some glasses or
needs to be fired. Hundreds of MTA buses have been desecrated with
white paint on the window and door frames. How ugly! Now I hear the
R-142 might get burgundy paint on their bottom halves. That would be
an outrage. What the MTA needs to do is get some black paint for the
buses and bring back the classy blue stripe the subways used to have.
The LIRR and MNRR all have stripes and its time for the subway cars to
get them back too.
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POSTER>Jeff
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SUBJECT>Slow Subways
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Posted by Jeff on November 15, 1997 at 17:43:59:
Why is the subway so slow nowadays? I have been riding the subway
since '91 and it seems that they have gotten slower over the past 3
years. The #5 train used to speed though Brooklyn and go even faster
in Manhattan. Now it constantly slows down in tunnels where it used to
speed through before. What's the deal? I know safety is a concern, but
if they operated subways faster before why slow them down now?
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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SUBJECT>The BART system
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on November 15, 1997 at 19:22:51:
About 15 years ago, I had ordered some information on the BART
system--They sent me the following documents, of which I finally found
a box after many years--"Art in Bart"--"Chronology"---"Bart facilities
for the handicap"--"Bart system fact sheet"---"The transbay
Tube"---and---"A history of Bart"
If anybody has any specific questions under these topics, feel free to
e-mail me. David, if you're interested, I'll send it all to you if you
would like to scan and post within the site.....let me know (Note: new
e-mail address)
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POSTER>Adam
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SUBJECT>Re: Slow Subways
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Posted by Adam on November 15, 1997 at 19:36:40:
In Reply to: [7]Slow Subways posted by Jeff on November 15, 1997 at
17:43:59:
I think that two factors come into play:
1) Due to a number of accidents and near accidents in the subway since
1991, I think that the MTA has ordered all trains to go at a slower,
and hence safer speed.
2) More importantly, with the installation of speedometers in trains,
train operators now know exactly how fast they are going, unlike it
used to be in past years when they had to gauge how fast they were
going, and as a result often went much faster than they were supposed
to be going.
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: Slow Subways
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Posted by John on November 15, 1997 at 19:44:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Slow Subways posted by Adam on November 15, 1997
at 19:36:40:
It's unfortunate, though, because I really miss the speeds at which
the trains used to go. It made the ride a lot more exciting.
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line?
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Posted by John on November 15, 1997 at 19:49:53:
In Reply to: [6]overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line? posted
by Lefty on November 15, 1997 at 13:35:25:
The cars you saw that look like Amtrak cars are self-propeled diesel
cars and they were used mostly for shuttle service. I'm not sure if
they are still used regularly.
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POSTER>NAME CHANGE -- PLEASE READ THIS!!
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Posted by NAME CHANGE -- PLEASE READ THIS!! on November 15, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: What is DVARP? posted by David Pirmann - Web Site
Host on November 15, 1997 at 12:31:52:
Okay, if that's the case -- this is the "Original John", who will now
go by the name of "Bootsy". This is not my last name, but just a
nickname that some of my friends call me.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 15, 1997 at 20:30:55:
In Reply to: [7]MTA Paint schemes posted by Jeff on November 15, 1997
at 17:27:40:
We've touched on this a few times and agree with you concerning the
NYCTA bus scheme - it is truly hideous. Most LIRR MU cars have had
their blue stripe removed.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 15, 1997 at 21:11:37:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyct bus #1841 on the bx10 posted by Mike on
November 15, 1997 at 13:55:26:
No. 1814 is a 1982 GM RTS and this group of buses are being retired
and some are being rebuilt and renumbered as 7000 & 7500 series. NYCTA
recently placed many new express and local buses in service which is
why these will either be retired or rebuilt.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on November 15, 1997 at 21:22:07:
In Reply to: [7]Slow Subways posted by Jeff on November 15, 1997 at
17:43:59:
Following the Williamsburg Bridge incident, it became obvious that
although the TA had upgraded the rolling stock so that it would
operate at greater speed, the signal system which was, for the most
part, using 1930s technology, was not capable of protecting trains
traveling at those higher speeds. It was decided that because of the
time it would take to upgrade the signal system, the rolling stock
would need to be slowed. Every car in the TA fleet has been modified
so that their controllers can not run beyond the 100% field shunting
position, effectively limiting the speed of all cars to approximately
40 - 45 MPH on level, tangent track. The modification has had the
desired effect and then some. Recently I was on a
northbound N train (R-68A equipment). As we reached the bottom of the
6oth St. tunnel, we were doing 49 MPH. However, with the train in the
multiple position, when we reached Queensboro Plaza Station, we were
doing all of 17 MPH. I agree, I miss the speed too.
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SUBJECT>Another Quiz--The DC Metro
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on November 15, 1997 at 22:16:41:
1) What were the 5 original stations to open & what line are they on?
2) What station was originally supposed to open with the original 5
but wasn't able to due to lack of handicap access.
3) What was the first station to open in the state of Maryland?
4) Metro first broke ground on what date and at what station?
5) In April 1982, the WMATA board had decided to change the southern
terminus of the Green Line to what location? It was changed back to
Branch Avenue at a later date.
6) The Woodley Park-Zoo station was originally known by what name on
the original maps?
7) The original northern terminal for the Yellow Line was supposed to
be where?
8) Is the Eisenhower Ave. station aerial, surface, or subway?
9) To help assist passengers with reduced visibility, the plans for
each station call for this type of "edging" along the platforms.
Recent federal rulings could threaten the existence of this edging for
the more familiar "bumpy yellow, rubber" edging.
10) The length of each station is able to fit a train of ____ cars and
the station is ____ feet in length.
Please e-mail me with your answers------no need to spoil it for others
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on November 15, 1997 at 22:59:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: R-142 Exterior paint posted by Dave on November
15, 1997 at 10:42:12:
The R110's exterior is fine....why do we need to have this type of
change on the R142?? The MTA should spend their money on hiring more
train operators...so we don't have to wait so damn long for our
trains!!-NICK
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on November 16, 1997 at 00:43:56:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyct bus #1841 on the bx10 posted by Wayne Johnson
on November 15, 1997 at 21:11:37:
At Amsterdam we have 1771 and 1774 with the cushion seats. There great
buses and fast. Although they have the hard seats for the driver and
it hurts your back after a few trips. At Kingsbridge they have one
that has the express bus seating arrangement but the seats are the
hard ones. The 7500 are now arriving at 100St depot and have a new
type of steering wheel which is very interesting, and the rims are so
shiny! These retired buses run great and have had minor overhauls plus
new paintjobs, and started arriving just before the intermodel went
into effect around May.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: The G & M Lines
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 16, 1997 at 00:50:50:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Sammy on November 11,
1997 at 05:30:06:
G riders could change at Lorimer St for the L, but the L only goes
along 14th St. After that people have to change for another train.
With the connection to the M, people would have a more direct route to
lower Manhattan. It's less roundabout than going to downtown Brooklyn,
then across to lower Manhattan. The question is: can the M train
support the extra riders, or is it already at capacity? As for
connecting to the 7, it helps, but isn't the 7 already packed by then
with riders from Flushing?
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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SUBJECT>Re: The G & M Lines
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on November 16, 1997 at 01:23:10:
In Reply to: [7]Re: The G & M Lines posted by Mark Greenwald on
November 09, 1997 at 13:12:56:
Here's another thought on the subject----would this idea work---Build
a physical connection from southbound G to westbound J,M,Z so that
there would be a direct route downtown---Call it the "Y" and let it
follow the route of the J,Z to Broad Street.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Toronto's Battery Runs and Express Experiment (oh-oh)
DATE>Nov 22 10:54:26 1997
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Posted by Andrew Huie on November 16, 1997 at 01:40:23:
In Reply to: [7]Toronto's Battery Runs and Express Experiment (oh-oh)
posted by Russ on November 15, 1997 at 16:31:52:
If enough public oe media pressure is applied to the right elected
official yes, it will happen. Rather often as a matter of fact.
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POSTER>Andrewh Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line?
DATE>Nov 22 10:54:27 1997
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Posted by Andrewh Huie on November 16, 1997 at 01:54:43:
In Reply to: [7]overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line? posted
by Lefty on November 15, 1997 at 13:35:25:
What you saw was just north of Croton-Harmon. The two cars are old
Erie-Lackawanna electrics. I got to see them from the autumn-foliage
train when Croton-Harmon had their open house. The train passed slowly
enough for me to have a good look. As for what they are doing there, I
don't know, but I suspect they've been there for awhile. I remember
seeing them in the dark as I was passing by Croton-Harmon on an Amtrak
train. As for the self-propelled rail diesel cars, they were probably
retired sometime in the 80's or early 90's. These cars probably
predate Metro-North and even Conrail by quite a bit.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Graffiti Checks
DATE>Nov 22 10:54:28 1997
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Posted by Steve on November 16, 1997 at 02:17:06:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Adam on November 13,
1997 at 19:22:45:
There is nothing attractive anout graffiti - period. Graffiti is a
criminal act - period. There is something wrong with the your basic
premise that it is somehow ok or attractive to deface someone else's
property, be it a building wall, a fence, a store security gate or a
subway car. I was a college student in the early 70s and remember
riding in graffiti covered cars and feeling the sense of dispair and
hopelessness it conveyed. There was nothing attractive about it then
and it's less attractive now. Graffiti has become even more
destructive where 100s of thousands of dollars of glass are destroyed
each year on the subway system. Now the miscreants are etching the
stainless steel car skins. I must tell you that 3 weeks ago, I
observed a young man who, on his way to school, was 'tagging' a window
on one of my trains. I took him off the train and had him arrested. I
have no compassion for the artist nor do I have any appreciation for
the 'art'. Perhaps if you were a taxpayer or if your property were
being vandalized, you'd see graffiti for what it really is, a
crime...... Since YOU are difinitely in the minority, I suggest that
you re-evaluate your anti-social tendencies and redirect your energies
in a more meaningful way. By the way, the TA declared victory over
graffiti in May of 1989
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: MTA Paint schemes
DATE>Nov 22 10:54:29 1997
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 16, 1997 at 03:06:02:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MTA Paint schemes posted by Wayne Johnson on
November 15, 1997 at 20:30:55:
Painting stainless steel is a waste of good money that could be better
spent elsewhere. Why paint something that only needs to be cleaned
once in a while and looks good as it is?
MNCR and LIRR are removing the blue MTA stripes, and the ends are
gettting yellow scotch-lite reflective stripes where the blue used to
be. I've seen MNCR MU's that had the entire end painted blue, and
white reflective zebra stripes. Got a photo here somewhere....
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 16, 1997 at 03:10:24:
In Reply to: [7]overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line? posted
by Lefty on November 15, 1997 at 13:35:25:
Sounds like BUDD SPV 2000s to me. They were supposed to be modern
replacements for RDC's, but ended up with the knickname 'Seldom
Powered Vehicles' because of their unreliability. They were used for
shuttle service on all non-electrified lines. Most of them have been
rebuilt into coaches for CONNDOT Shore Line East operation.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: nyct bus #1841 on the bx10
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on November 16, 1997 at 03:14:43:
In Reply to: [7]Re: nyct bus #1841 on the bx10 posted by Fernando
Perez on November 16, 1997 at 00:43:56:
These old RTS buses are from the Yukon and Castleton Depots on SI, and
used to run in x-bus service until an axle failure proved that they
were dangerous at high speeds. They were all pulled from x-bus
service, and assigned to local routes on the island. Recently, we've
been getting 200-series Orions from Kingsbridge Depot, This is
possibly one of the buses sent out to there. But my original
understanding was that they were being shifted due to delivery of the
1000-series Flyer Artics...
-Hank
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POSTER>Philip nasadowski
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Posted by Philip nasadowski on November 16, 1997 at 22:13:55:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MTA Paint schemes posted by Hank Eisenstein on
November 16, 1997 at 03:06:02:
I think the current LIRR/MNRR MU paint scheme SUCKS!!!!! Personally, I
HATE the stainless look. It just looks plain dull, and frankly I'm
sick of it. That and the "an elephant sat on it" squished look of the
current MUs. And while I'm bitching about it, the bump on the New
Haven equipment. Although that looks a hell of a lot better than NJT's
exposed resistors/roof wiring...
My personal favorites in the looks department are the ACMUs :)
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POSTER>Adam
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SUBJECT>Re: Graffiti Checks
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Posted by Adam on November 17, 1997 at 00:18:42:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Graffiti Checks posted by Steve on November 16,
1997 at 02:17:06:
I would like to clear one thing up - I do not condone the writing of
graffiti nor do I engage in the art of graffiti. I am only an observer
looking in from the outside. I think that the glass etching is
deplorable and I do not enjoy seeing that. What I am trying to say
about graffiti is that plain and simple there were no strategies to
control it in the late 70s/early 80s. So it was there whether you
liked it or not. So why not make the best out of it and look at what
looks nice about it, and there was a lot that was nice about it in the
mural style that was painted on most of the trains. I'm not even
saying let's bring back the graffiti. Let's stop bickering over this
and say that graffiti defined an era in the history of the New York
City subway system, regardless of whether this era was good or bad.
Now you have two choices - appreciate it for what it was or spend your
life feeling "a sense of dispair and hopelessness" as Steve feels.
I'll choose the former. As I mentioned before, the graffiti reminds me
of good times back then when I used to ride the subways every day in
the early 80s, it made the subways a lot more colorful, you must
admit, and it was the essence of NYC back then. So let's appreciate
graffiti for what it is and not let this get blown out of proportion.
For those of you who appreciate graffiti I highly recommend Art
Crimes, a web page that is described in some postings below.
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway/El Scenes In The Movie "Streets Of Fire"
DATE>Nov 22 10:54:33 1997
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on November 17, 1997 at 07:42:41:
In Reply to: [7]Subway/El Scenes In The Movie "Streets Of Fire" posted
by Timothy on November 15, 1997 at 14:59:02:
I checked this out with two of my Chicago "sources", Curt Seeliger of
North Berwick, ME, who models the Chicago Els extensively, as well as
Irwin Davis, who is a motorman on the CTA. Both tell me that all of
the street scenes are a set. None were filmed under 63rd Street. I'm
not from Chicago, nor am I a Chicago El railfan, but they tell me that
you can tell from the style of column structure and the location of
the columns as they are set into the street, as opposed to being at
the curb (63rd Street has columns at the curb, sumilar to the old
Fulton Street El in Brooklyn). My sources at NBC tell me that the same
set was used for portions of the movie, "The Sting" as well as "The
Phantom". In these films, the sets were enhanced with computer as well
as painted artwork. By the way, some of the more recent "ER" episodes
use an enhanced location set with false El columns, in lieu of
actually shooting at the West Side hospital complex at Polk. Many
times it's cheaper to build sets than to do location shooting, and
then the director has complete control of his/her environment.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: What is DVARP? Question answered
DATE>Nov 22 10:54:33 1997
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Posted by Charles Fiori on November 17, 1997 at 09:21:27:
In Reply to: [6]What is DVARP? posted by John on November 14, 1997 at
17:38:58:
Delaware Valley Association of Railroad Passengers
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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SUBJECT>Re: Stations (Chicago version)
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Posted by Ed Sachs on November 17, 1997 at 10:29:35:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Stations posted by Al on November 06, 1997 at
14:02:41:
In Chicago's loop, there is an entrance to Marshall Field's from the
mezzanine level of the State/Washington (Red Line) subway station.
This station also connects to an underground "pedway" that also
connects to the Blue line subway at Dearborn/Washington and reaches
to City Hall/County Bldg. on the west and the Metra/South Shore
Randolph St. terminal on the east.
There was at one time a second-floor entrance to Marshall Field's from
the Wabash/Randolph L (elevated, for those of you not familiar with
Chicago-ese) station, but that entrance no longer exists.
Also, one of the entrances to the Merchandise Mart L station is in the
2nd floor of the Merchanidise Mart building (the first two floors of
which
are a shopping mall).
There also some office buildings with subway entrances. One that
comes to mind is the First National Bank of Chicago Bldg with an
entrance
from the lobby to the Dearborn/Monroe (Blue Line) subway station.
Unfortunately, there are no longer any direct passageways from the
Rail stations to L stations, except for the pedway mentioned above.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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SUBJECT>R68 become Coupled Semi-Permanent??
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on November 17, 1997 at 11:07:48:
I noticed on the D train that some of the R68's (could be A's don't
know) have been modified to two sets of four cars of semipermanently
coupled cars ala the R46. All operator controls and even the seats
have been removed (they left the windshield wipers ) from other than
the two ends. Everything is gone, gauges, seat, speedometer and cap
over the brake handle slot.
Why the sudden change?? Wouldn't a failure in one car of the set take
4 cars out of service instead of one making it harder to make up full
8 car train sets?
Was there any change to the equipment on the undercarriage like
sharing compressors or somehting (more R46 like) or was this just a
change in the couplers and the moterman's closet??
(Maybe they are running out of operator seats and need a quick
replacement)
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 17, 1997 at 11:37:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Slow Subways posted by Steve on November 15, 1997
at 21:22:07:
What a typical burecratic "solution"! By reducing available power,
they have rendered the trains less able to accelerate, and it sounds
like, in certain adverse grade situations, unable to maintain a steady
speed. This brings on the old Truck Lane scenario, where each given
truck, depending on state of tune, available gear ratios, and load
carried, has a different maximum speed that it can maintain on an
upgrade. This leads to all the pulling out and passing, only to be
re-passed, that plagues truck lanes. Only subway trains can't pull out
to pass, so the train that starts losing momentum causes trains behind
it to slow, and then they are unable to regain momentum as well. To
put it into NASCAR terms, the NY subways have become a "Restrictor
Plate" race.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway/El Scenes In The Movie "Streets Of Fire"
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 17, 1997 at 11:58:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway/El Scenes In The Movie "Streets Of Fire"
posted by Frank Gatazka on November 17, 1997 at 07:42:41:
I'm confused by your reference to "Old Fulton St El" . If you refer to
the original iron structure which ran from Fulton Ferry to City Line
on Liberty Avenue, it had columns straddling the centerline but in the
roadway on the section that remained unmodified (on Pitkin Ave,
mostly) until it was torn down in the 50's. The still standing section
of the Broadway-Jamaica El that runs on Fulton St. between Alabama Ave
and Crescent St. has columns at the curb line. The Fulton St. El
between Rockaway Ave and Brooklyn Bridge was modified by the Dual
Contracts, and was torn down before I was born, but I suspect it was
upgraded to sidewalk columns. The proof of the pudding would be the
remaining chunk of structure at Franklin Ave. Will somebody take a
look and post your finding?
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POSTER>chris
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Posted by chris on November 17, 1997 at 12:12:29:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What is DVARP? Question answered posted by Charles
Fiori on November 17, 1997 at 09:21:27:
also try phl.transportation news group
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on November 17, 1997 at 12:17:39:
In Reply to: [7]Re: How about restoring N express service? posted by
Bobw on November 15, 1997 at 16:30:49:
Once again, please remember that the time gained by running express
from Canal St. to 57th is only about three minutes. Running expresses
with matched 5 minute headways on the N and R would only serve to
distort the headway on one end or the other. Customers don't like to
wait long times for trains and then having two come together. Also,
the service at the local stops could not be increased by adding R
trains because of the need to mix the two services south of Canal. The
only way to have an effective express service on the Broadway Line is
to use the Bridge, and we all know the story there!
Gerry
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POSTER>John The Second
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Posted by John The Second on November 17, 1997 at 12:49:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What is DVARP? posted by NAME CHANGE -- PLEASE
READ THIS!! on November 15, 1997 at 19:55:34:
Come on, guys. Get real. The purpose of this and similar sites is to
promote the exchange of information among people who have the same
interests. You're not promoting this purpose when you cause bad
feeling and attack people without reason. We shouldn't even be
dicussing such childish issues.
As far as the issue of using my last name, there was a time when I DID
use my last name. Every time I submitted a comment, I was subject to
verbal abuse from a person who still contributes comments to this
site. I stopped making postings for many months and only reluctantly
decided to post a message about the Philadelphia transit site. Now,
after all these months, when I finally decide to post a message, I am
immedicately attacked by someone who believes he has the exclusive web
site rights to the name John! As I said, these types of sites should
be used to share information and not be used as vehicle to create bad
feeling or act out childish behavior.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 17, 1997 at 13:16:14:
In Reply to: [7]Re: MTA Paint schemes posted by Philip nasadowski on
November 16, 1997 at 22:13:55:
Yes, its ugly and the black paint around the bus windows made the
buses look better but it is more expensive to have that additional
paint, and NYC Transit is always looking for ways to save money. Most
passengers don't care if their bus has the blank paint or not, all
they care about is that their bus arrives right away. This monetary
savings doen't affect service at all.
Regarding the trains, you don't have to paint stainless steel and that
translates into savings as well. Witness the removal of the blue
stripe on the R40s on up when they went through their overhauls.
And you'd be perfectly right in asking, "then why did NYC Transit
spend $3 million for their new "pacman" logo?" Other than "a
consultant recommended it for brand identity", I don't have an answer
to that one.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 17, 1997 at 13:21:13:
In Reply to: [7]Toronto's Battery Runs and Express Experiment (oh-oh)
posted by Russ on November 15, 1997 at 16:31:52:
If NYC Transit were to change its policy on something, for example,
giving tickets to people that place their bags on an adjacent seat, we
usually hear about it before it happens, sometimes (most of the time)
in the paper and other times from NYC Transit press releases through
the news. I suppose if NYC Transit never did Battery Runs before and
then suddenly started doing them, that there'd be an outcry of some
sort here, too. Perhaps after announcing the "experiment" to the
public, TTC will try this again.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 17, 1997 at 13:34:56:
In Reply to: [7]R-142 Exterior paint posted by Steve on November 14,
1997 at 19:17:20:
Tuscan Red? Does someone in Customer Service think they work for the
Pennsylvania Railroad? :)
Do you know if this 5 car unit is basking in the sun somewhere so we
can try to get a picture of it? I *hope* to be able to do some
railfanning next week.
--Mark
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POSTER>John the Second
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Posted by John the Second on November 17, 1997 at 13:37:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia Transit Website? posted by Bobw on
November 15, 1997 at 16:23:19:
Thanks very much. I looked through the site quickly, and it looks
great! Thanks once again.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on November 17, 1997 at 13:56:25:
In Reply to: [7]overhead electric trains on MNRR hudson line? posted
by Lefty on November 15, 1997 at 13:35:25:
[8]Was this what you saw?
The Budd SPV-2000s were never known for their reliability and have
since been retired. I rode them on many a trip to Poughkeepsie from
Croton-Harmon. They never accelerated well.
--Mark
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POSTER>Philip Ng
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Posted by Philip Ng on November 17, 1997 at 15:57:28:
In Reply to: [7]How about restoring N express service? posted by Bobw
on November 11, 1997 at 17:56:27:
While the NR line is being repaired, uptown trains run express on
weekends
This is the closest you can get untill the manhattan bridge is fixed.
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on November 17, 1997 at 16:07:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How about restoring N express service? posted by
Gerry O'Regan on November 17, 1997 at 12:17:39:
I agree. Without a third train that uses the Bridge, express service
on the line would be worse than the current frequent local service.
It is still hard to believe that the line in Manhattan that used to
have 5 trains running through it - 3 Bridge expresses (Brighton, Sea
Beach, West End), and two tunnel locals (Brighton, 4th Avenue) -
during rush hours now has a grand total of two local trains.
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Posted by Bryan on November 17, 1997 at 16:51:36:
i read a while ago that there is a major renovation planned at
SIRR/Forest Hills
Is this true and what will be involved....from the pictures i've
seen,its a pretty dreary station
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on November 17, 1997 at 17:15:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Subway/El Scenes In The Movie "Streets Of Fire"
posted by Gary Jacobi on November 17, 1997 at 11:58:40:
When I referred to the "Old Fulton Street El", I meant the original
iron latticework structure over Fulton Street from Fulton Ferry to
Rockaway Avenue. This structure was nicknamed "The Black Widow of
Fulton Street" and had round cast iron columns at the curb over the
majority of it's length, with the longitudinal girderwork (three
girders only) for the double track narrowly attached over the street,
thus looking like a spider with it's long spindly legs. Only the
portion from Franklin Avenue to Utica Avenue, and then from Rockaway
Avenue to East New York was rebuilt as part of the Dual Contracts as a
three track El (re-using the original three lattice work girders in
combination with three new plate girders), the rest remained the
orginal two track structure until it was torn down in the forties. The
section over Pitkin Avenue from Pennsylvania Avenue to Grant Avenue at
the City Line was a narrow two track lattice work structure with the
round cast iron columns in the street, although at stations some
columns were at the curb. This structure also employed only three
longitudinal girders for the two tracks. This was torn down in 1956
after the connection to the Fulton Street Subway was made at Hudson
Street. The Fulton Street portion of the Broadway El was (and is) an
extension of the Broadway-Jamaica El and is built differently than the
original Fulton Street structure. Originally it utilized plate girder
longitudinal girders under each rail with lattice work columns at the
curb. It employed pedastal angles at the columns to attach them to the
cross girders (also plate girders of shallow depth) and no knee
plates. It was rebuilt in recent times with solid "H" beam style
columns. The section from Alabama Avenue to Cypress Hills is the
oldest extant El in NYC. The 63rd Street structure in Chicago's South
Side is similar in construction to the Fulton Street (original iron
structure) except that it conventionally uses four longitudinal
lattice work girders instead of three as on the Fulton Street
structure. Some details are slightly different also, but it LOOKS a
lot like the "Old Fulton Street" El! Hope this clears up confusion!
Frank
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POSTER>Frankie
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Posted by Frankie on November 17, 1997 at 18:19:38:
1)The #7 line in Queens( around Queensboro Plaza), has a lot of turns
and
sharp curves. Why was the line built like this? It reduces the speed
of trains and causes excessive wear on the wheels and tracks.
2)On the #7 line, after the express track forms(after the LIRR
Sunnyside yard), there is what looks like a extension for another
track on the right side of the Flushing bound local track. Was another
track suppose to be build here making the line a four track system? If
so the plan must have been objected long ago.
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POSTER>Hank Eisnstein
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Posted by Hank Eisnstein on November 17, 1997 at 18:56:08:
In Reply to: [7]Forest Hills SIRR Station posted by Bryan on November
17, 1997 at 16:51:36:
What SIRR Forest Hills Station? It's either LIRR, or Dongan Hills. And
since Dongan Hills was redon a few years ago, I gess you mean LIRR?
-Hank
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Posted by Timothy on November 17, 1997 at 19:11:21:
Can anyone tell me if any portions of Baltimore's Light Rail Line runs
in
a subway tunnel, on an el structure, or private right-of-way? Or is it
mostly a streetcar line? Also, Does Baltimore's Light Rail, and subway
line pass through any dangerous neighborhoods? Because I'm planning to
visit Baltimore in the very near future to photograph their subway and
Light Rail system, and I want to know what areas to avoid. I may also
ride, and photograph the MARC commuter rail system. Thanks.
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Posted by Timothy on November 17, 1997 at 19:21:01:
I've heard that some of the old Pennsylvania Railroad MP54 commuter
trains
have been saved, and are stored at Wayne Junction in Philadelphia. Is
there any way someone here can confirm this? Because if that is true,
I'm
hoping to go there sometime this week to photograph the old trains.
Also,
Does anyone know of any other areas within Philadelphia, where old
commuter trains may be found? Thanks.
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POSTER>subway-buff
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Posted by subway-buff on November 17, 1997 at 19:31:08:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Platform Access (was: Stations) posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 15, 1997 at 12:24:54:
I can add some more:
Marcy on the J/Z. Rector Street 1/9, and some stations in the 200s on
the 1/9. 86 street and Lex on the 4/5/6 has no crossover and separate
booths for uptown and downtown.
72 and B'way on the 1/2/3/9 has no crossover once you enter the
system.
I am sure there are others.
Suggestion to Steve: Ask NYCT to indicate such stops on their map.
Perhaps highlight in yellow liek they used to do for Metrocard
stations.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on November 17, 1997 at 19:31:46:
In Reply to: [7]Old Philadelphia Commuter Trains posted by Timothy on
November 17, 1997 at 19:21:01:
Hey, add me to that list!! I *love* the MP-54's. Speaking of which,
does anyone know if the rumour I heard that there's one at Port
Jefferson is true???
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POSTER>Eric B
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Posted by Eric B on November 17, 1997 at 19:32:40:
In Reply to: [6]R68 become Coupled Semi-Permanent?? posted by Lou from
Brooklyn on November 17, 1997 at 11:07:48:
This is what they,ve been doing to the R-68A's beginning two years
ago. Because of this, they can't use the Concourse shops, which was
originally an IRT facility and can't hold 4 75ft cars.So they've been
shuffling the 68-A's around. I heard that they will eventually do this
to the 68's also, and the D will revert back to the 1981-6 period,
restricted to older equipment (60 ft cars). OR, a ridiculous B/C
switch at the northern terminals, so the D will operate out oc Coney
Is, and the B, Concourse.
From what I hear, this work is being done because there is some
benefit to having less controls in the cars.
I would just hope they cut the 68-A's at least into two car sets to
operate out of Concourse when the Manhattan Bridge is closed.
Eric B
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on November 17, 1997 at 19:40:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway/El Scenes In The Movie "Streets Of Fire"
posted by Frank Gatazka on November 17, 1997 at 17:15:34:
Thanks for the additional info, Frank. I was not aware that only two
short stretches of Ninteenth Century Fulton St. structure were
3-tracked as part of the dual contracts. I am aware that Nevins St.
was supposed to hook up with the El, so perhaps they gave themselves
some leeway as to where to come above ground, but "KNEW" they needed
to up by Franklin to make the Brighton connection. But I don't
understand the short gap between Utica and Rockaway Ave.
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POSTER>Lefty
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Posted by Lefty on November 17, 1997 at 19:45:40:
In Reply to: [7]Re: R68 become Coupled Semi-Permanent?? posted by Eric
B on November 17, 1997 at 19:32:40:
are they planning on removing the empty operators closet so more seats
for passengers could be installed? it seems like a feasible thing to
do. you could probably fit in one or two more seats there?
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POSTER>Eric B
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Posted by Eric B on November 17, 1997 at 19:47:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: nyct bus #1841 on the bx10 posted by Hank
Eisenstein on November 16, 1997 at 03:14:43:
This also happened a few years ago when an axle cracked on a fishbowl,
and they bbegan to be retired. Then, you started seeing the former
expresses with the cushion seats running around all over the place.
They do it, because it doesn't matter if those seats get torn up, when
the bus is about to be retired anyway. Everyone enjoy this treat from
the TA!
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on November 17, 1997 at 20:22:05:
In Reply to: [7]Old Philadelphia Commuter Trains posted by Timothy on
November 17, 1997 at 19:21:01:
I am aware of some of the old Reading "Blueliners" being saved and
stored at Wayne Jct yard, but I was not aware that any MP-54's (which
were generally older and in much worse shape than the Reading MU's)
are still on the SEPTA system. Some of these are preserved on the
Wilmington & Western steam railroad in Delaware.
The Blues, built for Reading's electrification in 1931 and modernized
in the mid-60's, survived until the opening of the Center City
Commuter Tunnel in 1985. Some occasionally picked up assignments after
that, but they haven't been in regular service since then. The
unmodernized Reading MU's, and the MP-54's (many 15+ years older than
the Reading cars), were pretty much displaced by the Silverliner IV's
in '74-75.
Wayne Jct Yard is not easy to photograph, so good luck. Security is
tight and there is some inside storage so the cars may not be visible.
One of the better places to photograph is no longer available - this
is now the site of SEPTA's Midvale bus garage, which is alongside the
yard, but the garage itself is heavily fortified as well.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on November 17, 1997 at 22:24:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MTA Paint schemes posted by Mark S Feinman on
November 17, 1997 at 13:16:14:
Painting is expensive, but for some strange reason the TA is
repainting many of the remaining 1981-1982 GMC RTS buses. Most of
these buses have been retired and some have been rebuilt. The
remaining few are obviously serving their last days in service - so
why spend money to give them fresh paint jobs/new MTA logos. Queens
Village depot has several 1982 (1700) and 1983 (3200) RTS and instead
of repainting them they simply replaced the old M/NYCTA decals with
the new MTA/NYC Bus decals.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 17, 1997 at 22:27:33:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Old Philadelphia Commuter Trains posted by Bobw on
November 17, 1997 at 20:22:05:
Actually, the Blueliners soldiered on well past the opening of the
Center City Tunnel into the late 80's. They finally met their demise
when SEPTA ordered its 7 AEM-7's and 35 Comets.
Another misapprehension is their color. Blueliners were not merely
blue, but also green, red and orange. I personally remember seeing six
car trains of them with all of the colors in consist.
If you would like to see them at the Wayne Jct. shops, I suggest using
the north end of the low level (southbound) platform, or else watching
from a passing Chesnut Hill East train.
Also, although the Silverliner IV's displaced many of the MP-54's and
Blueliners, they were kept in service in large numbers until the very
unfortunate commuter rail cutbacks of 1981, from which most commuter
authorities have never recovered. In Philadelphia, these cutbacks,
plus the subsequent strike in 1983 served to decimate ridership from
125,000 per day to 60,000. It is now back up to around 90,000 and
bounces around periodically up towards 100,000. To give some
impression of the magnitude of losses: Chesnut Hill West, 12,000 to
5,500; Chesnut Hill East, 9,500 to 4,000; West Chester, 17,000 to
8,000; Doylestown, 12,000 to 9,000; etc. - on around the system. In
Chicago, METRA lost 1/3 of its riders in that one year alone, and has
never regained those levels. If the death of the downtown, and the
birth of the suburban office park is ever dated - that is the year it
happened.
Andy Byler
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 17, 1997 at 22:42:46:
In Reply to: [7]Re: Slow Subways posted by Gary Jacobi on November 17,
1997 at 11:37:16:
As a railroad engineer, I find this sort of solution patently
ridiculous. I worked on the project to modernize the Broad St. Subway
signalling system in Philadelphia a couple of years ago. As I've
mentioned before, the speed on this line had recently been *increased*
from 50 mph to 55 mph for the local tracks and 70 mph for the express
tracks. And this was well before we had gotten close to getting a new
signalling system installed.
Based on the logic that high speeds are unsafe, 45 mph is not enough
of a reduction - we should head for 30 or even 20 mph. There was a
famous paper published in MIT's joke scientific journal - the Journal
Of Irrepeducable Results which took the logic of the 55 mph speed
limit for cars to its final extreme. Using rigorous analysis of
frequency of wrecks and spacing of cars, it was concluded that 6 mph
was the optimal speed (in other words, the speed of a horse and
buggy). 0 mph was dangerous because the cars got to close as they all
tend to congregate in parking lots then.
Subways are built with supposed fail-safe mechanisms in the signalling
system - namely trip-cocks at red signals. This leaves areas under
restriction - curves and such as the only other locations of concern.
Speed is generally limited at these places by having the signal system
display yellow or even red signals as the train approaches the
restriction until it is certain that it has slowed down sufficiently
(this is the usual reason for the proliferation of red signals which
can sometimes be seen out ahead from the subway fan's front window).
Of course, the opitmist in me is forgetting that everything is
different in New York, and none of the rules of the rest of the
country apply here. No wonder the taxis prolifierate while the rest of
us fume at the slow service (I had noticed a marked slow down as well
- it takes forever to get from the upper east side to downtown now).
Andy Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on November 17, 1997 at 22:47:34:
In Reply to: [7]Re: What is DVARP? Question answered posted by Charles
Fiori on November 17, 1997 at 09:21:27:
DVARP's web site:
www.libertynet.org/~dvarp
Contains issues of their newsletter, position papers, train schedules,
links to rail sites around the country, etc.
Bookmark it!
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Posted by Charles A.Warren on November 17, 1997 at 23:12:39:
If anyone is interested, www.hamiltonbook.com has the book
"The Beautiful Bronx .." available.
There are a few El and trolley pictures in this photo history book.
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The Spencer family refused the TTC's offer to rename Sheppard-Yonge
station, the main station on Yonge-Sheppard line, currently under
construction. Metro Works commissioners were contacted personally by
representatives of the Spencer family about the transit commissions
proposal to call the station "Princess" station. The family
respectfully declined the offer and refused further comment. Currently
on the line, there is a King, Queen, Queen's park, and perhaps soon
"Mel Lastman I'm better than you with my mafia contacts" station
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When city buses were first air conditioned , the unit sat hanging over
the rear roof Then I saw buses, such as the NJT Flxible with a box on
top of the roof. Now it seems the AC takes the place of the rear
window.
What is the reason for the various different locations? Does one type
cool better or worse than the other. If I remember what a Memphis city
Bus ddriver told me it seems the first Goldfish bowls with AC had a
more powerful unit than later goldfish bowls. Was this tru for NYC
too. I remember when NYCTA used eminent domain to sieze Fidfth Avenue
Coach Lines (they were lime green rather than dark green) and they had
Air. When the city took over, the AC units vanished. The Buses kept
rhewir old number and had MABSTOA stenciled where NYCTA would be.
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I've noticed that between the Avenue X and Neptune Ave stations on the
F Line, there is longitudinal lattice on the elevated structure under
the
tracks. I know that most of, if not all of the existing el structures
in
New York City have little, or no lattice. Can anyone tell me why just
that
section of el structure on McDonald Ave. has lattice? Was it once part
of
an older el structure?
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In Reply to: [7]Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units posted by
subway-buff on November 20, 1997 at 20:16:02:
The location of the AC unit depends on the bus manufacturer and design
specs. RTS have them in the rear, as do the most recent Orions that
the TA has recieved. On the orions, the rooftop space is used for CNG
tanks for alt. fuel buses. Interestingly, When I was in Philly a few
years ago, they had RTS' without AC, they looked as if a chunk of the
rear of the bus was removed, and they had no rear window. Flxibles
seem to get rooftop units, generally sutraks, although they also have
had it located in the rear. Artics with AC usually have roof
units,because of the area being cooled, it's generally more efficient
to have two smaller roof units than one large roof unit or a rear
unit.
The TA's Blitz rebuilds that left service a few years ago had AC units
installed on the roof. Interestingly, I was told that these buses had
factory air installed, and when they came back from an initial
rebuild, the ac was gone.
-Hank
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PA-5's are to be built from PA-1's with new features including
Transverse cabs. I will write as I get more information
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Can anyone tell me what city has the largest subway system in the
world, in terms of extension, meaning in size of area? I've heard it
to be such ones as ours (New york City), London, or even Moscow.
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About seven years ago, when I was finishing up high school, a friend
of mine spoke of a TV documentary dealing with the subway. This one in
particular was about the different subway systems throughout the
world. He mentioned that this show talked about who had the best
subway in terms of efficiency, appearance, and other things. I
remember him saying that the show stated that the subway system in New
Dehli or Bombay was the nicest. This show aired acoording to him
sometime between Jan. 1990 and June 1990. The station it aired on was,
I believe, Channel 13 (WNET) in New York. Can anyone tell me if that
show actually aired and if it did how can I obtain it on video tape.
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Does anyone know the official model name or number of the heavy rail
cars used in the Baltimore subway?
All I know is that they were manufactured by Budd, who also
manufactured the cars for Metro-Dade County's (Florida) Metrorail.
I presume there were different model names/numbers assigned for
Baltimore and Metro-Dade, since the former has the route signs atop
the cab area and the latter has them on the [passenger loading] sides
of the cars...
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units posted by
Hank Eisenstein on November 20, 1997 at 20:33:34:
Those SEPTA RTSes (Which BTW, have now all been retired by SEPTA) were
the original (1977-80) slope-back RTS design with the AC above the
engine compartment. That design was very troublesome & GM changed to
the square-back design (which all NYC RTSes are) with a repositioned
AC unit soon after the SEPTA buses were built.
SEPTA had their RTSes rebuilt in approx. 1986-7 with Sutrak
roof-mounted AC units. Unlike some other similar rehab jobs, the
original slope-back in the rear of the bus was retained. Even after
the rehabs, a SEPTA RTS was VERY warm to ride if you were unlucky
enough to have to ride in the back of the bus! - Michael S. Buglak,
Collegeville, PA
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In Reply to: [6]PA-5 INFO UPDATE !!!!!!!!!! posted by Philip E.
Dominguez on November 20, 1997 at 21:06:56:
If transverse cabs means full length cabs then the PA is out of there
mind.
What is wrong with these transit people. The PATH is an overcrowded
line so their solution is to take away passenger room just like the NY
City Subways. Or like NJ Transit whose new buses are smaller with less
seating.
Then they wonder why people use their automobiles (which have also
gotten smaller) instead of using mass transit.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units posted by
Hank Eisenstein on November 20, 1997 at 20:33:34:
The late 70's/early 80's started the trend of transit buses without
back windows. The GMC RTS and Grumman 870 had their AC installed in
place of the back window. Other companies did the same. There have
been some agencies that wanted back windows in which special orders
were built. A couple are: TMC RTS 08 for the Chicago Transit
Authority, and Santa Monica Municipal Bus Lines in Santa Monica CA.
Santa Monica has MCI Classics with Sutrak AC on the roof. I believe
the CTA buses do not have AC. As far as Flxible was concerned, it
seems that they would use Sutrak AC on the roof when the customer
ordered buses with the Cummins M11 engine - such as the latest
Flxibles for NJT and the 9700/9800 Flxibles in Washington DC. Flxible
buses with Detroit Diesel engines were built with their AC in the
usual rear location. When the NYCTA Blitz rebuilds came back I do
remember that the AC units were gone. If you looked closely at the it
from the rear - only the empty housing for the AC unit was there,
however the Blitz buses for Staten Island Expresses did not use the
roof mounted AC.
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In Reply to: [6]Baltimore Transit Question posted by Julio Perez on
November 21, 1997 at 07:34:08:
The cars built for Baltimore and Miami are identical except for the
end signs on the Baltimore Cars. Other than minor interior color
differences, the cars are control and equipment identical. In fact, in
the middle 1980's, Baltimore had more cars than the operating schedule
needed. There was a proposal to loan cars to Miami, which was
experiencing a car shortage at the time, but the loan was never needed
by Miami.
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While transferring between the "L" and the "A" at the 8th Ave/14th
Street station, I noticed a closed-off tunnel to 7th Avenue from the
8th Ave stop. Indeed, the entrance to the tunnel was outside the
turnstiles, but cemented over with cinderblocks.
Did this connect with the 14th Street IRT Station? (I haven't noticed
an entrance when I've been in the IRT station.) When was it closed
off?
Thanks.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units (Philly
RTSes) posted by Michael S. Buglak on November 21, 1997 at 08:30:52:
do you know when (dates) SEPTA will run its welcome trolley.
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In Reply to: [6]Most extensive subway? posted by Albert on November
21, 1997 at 02:28:36:
Do you mean: square miles in a rectangle that would bound all the
lines. It's possible that the 76-route-mile DC Metro might win because
it is about a 25-30 mile trip from Shady Grove to
Franconia-Springfield, and about 22 miles from Vienna to New
Carrollton, or about 800 sq miles.
Do you mean route miles. Then it's either NYC, London, or Moscow.
Do you mean number of square miles within one mile of a route? That
might be London.
Do you mean number of people who live within one mile of the train?
That might be Paris or NYC.
Anyway... I provide no answers, merely further questions.
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In Reply to: [7]You have got to be kidding posted by Ben on November
21, 1997 at 09:04:48:
Maybe the Port Authority wants transverse cabs so OPTO will be an
option on PATH trains.
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In Reply to: [6]Franklin Avenue Shuttle (and other thoughts)... posted
by Daniel Valles on November 20, 1997 at 17:41:14:
The J line from 121 to 168 was shut down, I believe, in the early
80's, posibly even a little earlier than that.
If they are really discontinuing LIRR service between LIC and Jamaica,
they could use the tracks either for a subway line, or even possibly a
(my blue sky thinking) Light Rail line with small low (or high)
station platforms every 1/2 mile or so to connect with other lines in
LIC and in Jamaica. It could be a part of the subway system, but you
pay as you enter the car.
I even believe this (light rail) would make a great way to run a
passenger cross-Brooklyn rail line on the LIRR freight tracks between
62 St./New Utrecht Avenue and Livonia/Van Sinderen Avenues.
But, then again, I live near Baltimore, which built a great,
inexpensive, light rail in a short time, which shows it can be done.
I've also been it in Boston which has the Riverside line, and I've
seen the Frankfurt U-bahn system which has light rail with high
platforms on center island in-street PROW running (if you can believe
it).
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Baltimore Transit Question posted by Dan Lawrence
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Baltimore Transit Question posted by Dan Lawrence
on November 21, 1997 at 10:01:08:
I may be dead wrong on this, but I could've sworn that the original
purchase of the cars for both cities was done as a team effort---Both
cities pooled their resources in order to make a larger purchase and
get them at a lower cost.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Location of Bus Air Conditioning Units (Philly
RTSes) posted by trolleybus on November 21, 1997 at 11:56:19:
Unfortunately, AFAIK, SEPTA has NO plans to run service on the Welcome
Line in the near future. If I hear anything otherwise, I'll post it on
SubTalk.
You might also try sending an e-mail to SEPTA. Go to their website at
www.septa.org
Sorry that I couldn't be of more help! - Michael S. Buglak
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In Reply to: [7]Re: Other thoughts about lines in Queens posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on November 21, 1997 at 12:26:19:
J service was cut back in two stages -- first to Queens Boulevard, and
then to 121st Street.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Other thoughts about lines in Queens posted by
Carl M. Rabbin on November 21, 1997 at 12:26:19:
The J line was cut from 168th st to Queens Blvd in the late 70's. It
was then cut back to 121 street approx. mid 80's
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Imagine my SURPRISE when, as I was going to a neighboring town to pay
a bill, I come across 5 old LIRR cars. The car numbers are
2858...2842...2824...2884....2856. They all had plenty of rust but
appeared to still be sturdy. some had broken windows and it was clear
the birds had made a home in some parts. If you like more details or
if you can provide me with more details, e-mail me.
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I'm a student conducting a random survey of awareness of high speed
and high use rail transit.
How familiar is anyone with the British Turbine Diesel stock operating
at speeds of 145 mph, or the French TGV which operates hundreds of
daily services at an average speed of 189 mph, and which has set the
world record at 320 mph?
Also, how many are aware of the Eurostar Trainsets which transport
more than 1200 people between London and Paris in a single 3 hour trip
-- still travelling at 189 mph?
And, did you know, that if you wanted to travel a distance of 75
miles, by TVG it would take less than 28 minutes?
Thanks.
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I have been told that NYCT plans to switch the northern terminals of
the B & C trains north of 145th St in the Spring of 1998. Changes are,
B trains will operate along the Grand Concource to Bedford Park during
rush hours & to 145th St in the middays & the C trains will operate to
168th St all times. Any commens on this, please post it.
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I would like to know from anyone if they have heard from NYCT on when
F express service in Brooklyn will be restored & if so, when is the
exact date for the startup of express service.
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In Reply to: [7]Junked LIRR cars posted by Mark Greenwald on November
21, 1997 at 15:32:17:
Where were these cars?
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In Reply to: [7]B & C trains are switching terminals north of 145th St
in the Spring 1998. posted by Mike on November 21, 1997 at 20:53:20:
My comment on this is, what's the point? Each line already has a
storage yard at their northern terminus or near it, and I can't see
how this will improve schedualing in any way.
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SUBJECT>Re: Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street
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In Reply to: [7]Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street posted
by John M. on November 21, 1997 at 10:52:33:
Actually, I think I've seen the eastern end of the tunnel at 14th and
7th. It's almost opposite the west end of the 6th-7th ave free
transfer tunnel, and slightly north. Last I saw, it was dark and
unused. Also, there might still be mosaics in the 7th Ave station
pointing to 8th Ave.
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SUBJECT>MTA Tape/Video
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Back in the 70's, there was a movie/video put out by the MTA
describing some of the grandiose plans for the subway. Does anyone
else remember this movie/video? Do copies of it exist anywhere?
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Andrew Huie on November 21,
1997 at 23:09:41:
The major reason for the swap is monitary savings. This is why. For PM
service, the C line uses 2 less trains that it does for AM service. On
the other hand, the A train uses 2 additional trains for PM service
above its' AM service. To make up the two additional A trains, 207th
St. needs the cars from the 2 C trains which are layed up in Concourse
yard. Therefore, the 2 trains need to be transferred from Concourse
Yard to 207th St. Yard daily. By swapping the northern terminals of
the B & C line, this is avoided with virtually no change in service.
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SUBJECT>NYC Westinghouse prototype for Moscow type A subway car
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Can anyone help me to find Westinghouse NYC subway car (pre-1934),
which was prototype for Moscow type A subway car, builded in 1934.
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Hello all! Thanks to everyone who responded to my idea of forming a
team to break the record for the shortest time necessary to ride all
of the lines of the NYC subway. In order to see who is actually
interested and in order to formulate some definite plans, I was
wondering if everybody would like to meet next weekend either on
Friday the 28th or on Saturday the 29th of November, someplace in
Manhattan. Although it is very convenient to post messages here, I
think it would make it a lot easier to meet and discuss what we should
do in person. So to everybody who is interested, post a message as to
whether which time, if any, is better in which to meet. Also, does
anybody have any idea where we should meet? Thanks!!!
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In Reply to: [6]Tunnel between 8th & 7th Aves under 14th Street posted
by John M. on November 21, 1997 at 10:52:33:
I read about this somewhere on this site or maybe on Joe Brennan's
sight. It used to be a transfer passageway similar to the passageway
that connects the 7th and 6th Avenue lines at 14th street. But it was
closed due to crime in that passageway.
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In Reply to: [7]Re: B & C trains are switching terminals north of
145th St in the Spring 1998. posted by Andrew Huie on November 21,
1997 at 23:09:41:
The other, perhaps unintended, result of this is more consistent
service patterns.
The C will now operate to 168th Street at all times except nights. The
A will now run express from 168th Street at all times except nights.
While the B will still have different northern terminals (Bedford Park
in rush hrs., 145th Street middays and early evenings, and
21st/Queensbridge evenings and weekends), that's not much different
from what happens now.
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Hope I don't cause any hard feelings with anyone here in SubTalk, but
can
anyone tell me why some messages posted here go unanswered? Does that
mean
they are being ignored? I posted a message on 11/20/97, asking about
the
F Line (McDonald Ave.) el structure, but so far, nobody has responded
to
my message. I know I ask lots of questions concerning el structures,
and
I hope that I'm not starting to bore everyone here in SubTalk with my
questions. Hope someone can explain this. Thanks.
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SUBJECT>Re: Does anyone knows on when F express service in Brooklyn will be
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In Reply to: [6]Does anyone knows on when F express service in
Brooklyn will be restored. posted by Steve on November 21, 1997 at
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Maybe if the Manhattan Bridge closes, but noone knows when or if that
will happen. Otherwise, they keep proposing it, and then scraping the
idea
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