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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:04 1997
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 02, 1997 at 22:08:30:
In Reply to: [6]Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted by
Bobw on September 02, 1997 at 21:43:30:
I believe that the 75' cars physically can fit on the Eastern Division
(J/L/M/Z), but aren't used because they would have to go very slowly
through some of the turns and on the Williamsburgh Bridge. It's not
like running BMT/IND cars on the IRT lines, where they simply wouldn't
fit.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:05 1997
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 02, 1997 at 22:12:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard posted by Gary Jacobi on
September 02, 1997 at 18:58:12:
Just a thought about buildings erected over subway/train tracks - in
the South Bronx (another decidely non-high-rent district), there's a
downright massive apartment building over the Metro-North tracks. I
suspect that political pork is a more important factor in these cases
than is real estate economics.
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POSTER>Philip Dominguez
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SUBJECT>Re: Noise on the CTA!
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:06 1997
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Posted by Philip Dominguez on September 02, 1997 at 22:32:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Noise on the CTA! posted by Bj from Chicago on
August 29, 1997 at 16:45:31:
CTA trains have great Accl. power. The Trains frequently pas pass 50
mph. on most lines. Also the CTA trains run on cab signals. The motor-
man must stop within a certain time limit or else the brakes will go
off.
Will explain later.
-Phil
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POSTER>philip nasadowski
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SUBJECT>Re: Trains on Bridges
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:07 1997
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Posted by philip nasadowski on September 02, 1997 at 22:58:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Trains on Bridges posted by Bobw on September 02,
1997 at 21:39:11:
I think it's also pulic outcry (i.e. New York Times, etc) that got the
speeds to drop. Right after the rearenbding on the J/Z and M, I read
an article in the times that sugessted that speeds should be reduced
because of (it's, not mine) these points:
1) Trains of today are heavier (I'm not too sure that is the case)
2) Trains of today because of A) take longer to stop.
I don't think number 2 is because of 3. Certainly the current signal
system is outdated by a bit, but it has handled greater traffic in the
past than it handles now. The article sugessted that speeds should be
reduced until the signal system was replaced. I don't think the TA
could even begin to afford redoing the signals on the entire system...
Of course the writer of the article was also convinced that trains
have shifting gears like a car.....
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POSTER>Zack
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SUBJECT>Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
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Posted by Zack on September 02, 1997 at 23:06:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted
by Peter Rosa on September 02, 1997 at 22:08:30:
Why dont they fix the curves and the bridge to accomidate the 75 foot
cars????
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POSTER>Zack--Correct e-mail :)
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SUBJECT>Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
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Posted by Zack--Correct e-mail :) on September 02, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted
by Zack on September 02, 1997 at 23:06:56:
Sorry posted wrong E-mail adress
correct E-mail adress is mailto:busdud19@mail.idt.net
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:09 1997
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Posted by Steve on September 02, 1997 at 23:34:30:
In Reply to: [6]Pitkin Avenue Yard posted by aaron on September 02,
1997 at 12:45:24:
Pitkin Yard is located under the Linden Towers Apartment Complex.
There is a gate on Linden Blvd which is rarely used and the Main gate
is on Sutter Ave.
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POSTER>RAC93
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SUBJECT>Manhattan Bridge Question (Clarification)
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:10 1997
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Posted by RAC93 on September 03, 1997 at 04:31:43:
In Reply to: [5]Manhattan Bridge Question posted by RAC93 on September
02, 1997 at 04:57:15:
By reading what Mr. Jacobi wrote, I think that I might have been
misunderstood. What I meant to write was if the disconnected tracks
from the Nassau St. Loop were visible from the tunnel leading to/from
the Manhattan Bridge tracks that were in use by the "N" train (before
construction). I think that they are because I recalled seeing a dark
train (Then again, it was a tunnel) parked on a side track. Something
like this:
"N" Train Tracks (before bridge construction)
Manhattan Bridge
< - - - - - < - - - - - < - - - - - < - - - - - < - - - - - < - - - -
- CANAL
- - - - - > - - - - - > - - - - - > - - - - - > - - - - - > - - - - -
> STREET
The "N" train was leaving Canal Street towards the Manhattan Bridge
and I was looking out of the rear door window on the last car. The
slash represents the direction of the tracks where I believe I saw the
dead end track with the older model train on it. Since this was around
1989, I don't recall for sure if this area is correct or not.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 03, 1997 at 09:38:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted
by Zack on September 02, 1997 at 23:06:56:
>why don't they fix the curves and bridges to accommodate the 75'
cars?
Doing so would surely be expensive - probably enormously so. There's
nothing wrong with having to use shorter cars, especially considering
that NYC subway cars aren't fully interchangeable given the IRT
dimensions.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:11 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 03, 1997 at 09:54:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted
by Peter Rosa on September 03, 1997 at 09:38:14:
The point is moot anyway since the next order of IND division cars
(presumably R-143, based on the R-110B) will be 67' long each. This is
the same length as the old BMT standards which surely can run on the
BMT Eastern Division lines (J/M/Z/L).
--Dave
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Concerns regarding the MTA Student Metrocard-correction
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 03, 1997 at 11:12:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Concerns regarding the MTA Student Metrocard
posted by Gary Jacobi on September 02, 1997 at 19:06:44:
The more I think about it, I had it backwards yesterday. The PM run
was always a pass through; the morning was only free the last third of
the semester.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 03, 1997 at 12:17:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted
by Zack on September 02, 1997 at 23:06:56:
2 reasons I can think of:
- Money. It's better spent elsewhere on items that need
rehabilitation.
- Logistics. In some instances, there simply isn't any ROOM to realign
curves along the Eastern division. Some of those elevated curves get
awfully close to the sides of dwellings and there's no space to
realign
curves. The "S" curve leaving Myrtle heading towards Metropolitan
looks
like it just barely fits where it is now.
--Mark
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: In debt
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:13 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 03, 1997 at 12:21:19:
In Reply to: [6]In debt posted by BJ on September 02, 1997 at
16:34:54:
I think the better question is when have they NOT been in debt. New
York City has been bankrupt and/or in fiscal crisis for years. The
1980s was a particularly bad time -- the subway maintenace was at an
all time low. Graffiti was rampant, car doors were busted, lights
didn't work, a/c didn't work, track fires left and right, and it just
kept getting worse. Ridership fell to an all time low. Service was cut
back and infrastructure suffered.
In the late 80s and 90s, we've seen an upswing as funding become
available-- new trains were ordered for the IRT for the first time in
20 years (the R62's starting in 1984, and the recent R142 order which
will allow retiring of all of the 1958-1964 cars), also new trains for
the IND division (R68) allowed retiring of the last of the
non-stainless-steel cars (the R10, R16, R27, R30). Trains are 99%
graffiti free, mean distance between train failure is at an all time
high (the R62A's I think hit 100,000 miles between failure at one
point). Stations are being rehabilitated left and right with some nice
results (see the local stations on the #1 - Franklin St. et al).
Recently there have been more budget cuts resulting in some late night
service cutbacks, less trains during the day, and OPTO on some lines
at night. Train cleaners were laid off and are just now being rehired.
So as you can see the city is always in a budget swing-- at some
points the MTA suffers and sometimes it does better. I doubt anyone
will let it get as bad as it did in the early 80s though.
--Dave
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>NYC Subway FAQ - Beta Edition
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:14 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 03, 1997 at 12:48:58:
hello,
I'm putting the NYC Subway FAQ up for review. It's still in early
beta-- not all questions have been answered. Please look at it,
suggest answers, suggest corrections, suggest questions..
[6]FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ
This has also gone out to nyc.transit and
misc.transport.urban-transit.
--Dave
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POSTER>Nick
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SUBJECT>LIVE BY THE #2 SUBWAY? PICS OF R110A NEEDED!
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:15 1997
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Posted by Nick on September 03, 1997 at 13:04:22:
The R110A runs on the #2 line during rush hours. Neither Dave or
myself live anywhere near the #2 (in fact we don't live in NYC) If
anyone could possibly get a snapshot of the R11)A, or perhaps already
have one, it would be great if we could use it on this site. ANY
VOLUNTEERS? Thank You Very Much!!!
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POSTER>Nick
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SUBJECT>R142 AND 143:CONFIRMED??
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:16 1997
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Posted by Nick on September 03, 1997 at 13:07:30:
I know that the MTA has proposed ordering R142 and R143 cars for a
1999 delivery date. Has this purchase been confirmed yet, or is the
MTA still negotiating?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:16 1997
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 03, 1997 at 14:11:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted
by David Pirmann on September 03, 1997 at 09:54:57:
There was one point back in the early 80s when the R46s were being
rebuilt/retrofitted at East New York. I do not remember which project
was involved, but it wasn't the truck replacement (new trucks were
assembled at Bklyn Army Term, installed at Coney island). I seem to
remember that there was concern that having 2 R46 trains on the Wmbg
Br at the same time would not work because the cars have slanted sides
and so could not fit side-by-side on the Bridge--not enough clearance.
Also, to facilitate use of the barn structure at ENY (this is when the
switches in that yard were still hand throw!!!) the doorways to the
barn had to be reconfigured. I believe that involved removal of at
least one support pillar at the entrance. Getting these Leviathans in
and out of such a cramped space would not be practical, given the TA's
desire to match up its fleets to the barns along side the lines
served. (Unlike when the R27/30s ran on the RR and were serviced at
ENY.-go figure!)
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POSTER>Bill
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SUBJECT>Re: Manhattan Bridge Question (Clarification)
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Posted by Bill on September 03, 1997 at 14:39:11:
In Reply to: [5]Manhattan Bridge Question (Clarification) posted by
RAC93 on September 03, 1997 at 04:31:43:
What you saw out the back window was a layup train. On offpeak hours
they will "park" or lay up a train on this "dead end" track. Those
tracks go back to Chambers St. on the J line.
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POSTER>Dan
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SUBJECT>Re: Status on SIR's North Shore line?
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Posted by Dan on September 03, 1997 at 15:50:26:
In Reply to: [6]Status on SIR's North Shore line? posted by Michael
Adler via SEARS WebTV demo ;-) on August 30, 1997 at 21:32:13:
Reconstruction has begun at the western end near South Avenue. The
Bridge
over the Arthur Kill is also being renovated.
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POSTER>Kosta Hatzopoulos
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SUBJECT>Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard
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Posted by Kosta Hatzopoulos on September 03, 1997 at 17:14:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard posted by Bill on September 02,
1997 at 18:00:46:
Nice Answer, very simple, read other replies
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POSTER>Kosta Hatzopoulos
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SUBJECT>Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard
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Posted by Kosta Hatzopoulos on September 03, 1997 at 17:14:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard posted by Bill on September 02,
1997 at 18:00:46:
Nice Answer, very simple, read other replies
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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SUBJECT>Re: disused tenements
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on September 03, 1997 at 17:14:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: disused tenements posted by Peter Rosa on August
30, 1997 at 23:31:18:
I agree. But out of curiosity, are you scouting for locations or just
a thrillseeker?
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POSTER>Benno
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SUBJECT>Re: LIVE BY THE #2 SUBWAY? PICS OF R110A NEEDED!
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Posted by Benno on September 03, 1997 at 17:15:51:
In Reply to: [6]LIVE BY THE #2 SUBWAY? PICS OF R110A NEEDED! posted by
Nick on September 03, 1997 at 13:04:22:
While I don't have a picture, I can report that I had the honor of
riding the 110a this very morning. In case it helps anyone, it left
Penn Station Bronxbound at 9:12 (you can tell be the LED clock
inside),
though I wouldn't bet that the train makes the same run every day.
Quite nice (by New York standards)... no window graffiti, but better
yet, no advertisements littering the inside. (The LCD displays in
windows seemed to be malfunctioning, though...)
-Benn-
"This is 96th Street. Change here for the 1, 3, and 9 lines."
Wow... nobody ever suggested changing from the 2 to the 3 before.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway items for sale
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 03, 1997 at 19:11:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Gary Jacobi on
September 02, 1997 at 12:39:04:
Actually, gutting the Real Thing (tm) shouldn't be too hard - after
all, it is nothing more than a set of switches that switch in unique
patterns - one could easily interface it to a microcontroller (i.e.
68HC11) and have that drive you powerpack. If you are somewhat
proficient in micros, it's really not that hard of a job to do. The
hard part is getting a damm control stand - I'm not sure where the
heck you'd get a juked one...
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POSTER>Zack
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SUBJECT>Re: Too fast - No stop
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Posted by Zack on September 03, 1997 at 20:06:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 02, 1997 at 17:43:50:
it might be a "chopper" controller
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Track questions - was Re: Too fast - No stop
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 03, 1997 at 23:12:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Track questions - was Re: Too fast - No stop
posted by Lou from Middletown on September 02, 1997 at 15:26:46:
NS? What's NS and how is it involved with the Main Line/Port Jervis
line out of Hoboken?
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POSTER>Howard <"allhall@erols.com"@erols.com>
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SUBJECT>Mystery Lights
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Does anyone out there know why in Chicago, there are lights in between
the train tracks in stations.
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POSTER>Howard <"allhall@erols.com"@erols.com>
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Does anybody know why the mayor of NYC is making such a big fuss over
PATH? I don't understand and hopes somebody can explain why.
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POSTER>RAC93
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SUBJECT>Re: Manhattan Bridge Question (Clarification)
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Posted by RAC93 on September 04, 1997 at 04:12:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Manhattan Bridge Question (Clarification) posted
by Bill on September 03, 1997 at 14:39:11:
Great! I got the answer that I was looking for. It was always a
mystery to me. I have learned so much from this site... Thanx.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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SUBJECT>Re: Trains on Bridges
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 04, 1997 at 09:32:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trains on Bridges posted by philip nasadowski on
September 02, 1997 at 22:58:11:
The modern stainless steel cars in use today are indeed somewhat
lighter than the old heavy steel cars of the teens and twentys.
Offsetting this and a factor to consider when thinking about bridge
maintenance is the axle loadings. A 75 foot car may have the same axle
loadings as an older 60' car, but the trucks are further apart, thus
the effect on the bridge is different.
Speed control going downhill is less concerned with stopping distance
than with control. If you were to lose control at speed on the
downhill side of the Manhattan Bridge, and hit the emergency brake,
the wheels could lock on slippery rail, a total loss of traction,
sending a 10 car train flying into the curve at the bottom of the
grade with all too predictable results. Thus you slow down before you
start downgrade, and maintain reasonable braking effort for the
descent. The signal system enforces this with time lights, and trips
an offending train before it can get out of control.
Reasonable and prudent speeds prevents both accidents and wear and
tear on the bridge.
BTW - The Manhattan Bridge was designed by the same engineer who
designed the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, and suffers from some of the same
faults. I've heard that the structure surrounding the tracks stiffens
the bridge and may have prevented a similar disaster. The combined
stresses of the trains and the twisting forces may be the reason for
all of the rebuilding currently taking place, but we at least still
have a bridge!
Gerry
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 04, 1997 at 12:21:16:
In Reply to: [6]R142 AND 143:CONFIRMED?? posted by Nick on September
03, 1997 at 13:07:30:
AN order for 1,080 IRT R-142s was approved by the MTA
and NY State legislature. 600 cars from Kawasaki and
480 from Bombadier IIRC.
Haven't heard anything on the R-143s yet.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 04, 1997 at 12:34:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trains on Bridges posted by Gerry O'Regan on
September 04, 1997 at 09:32:51:
I think the Whitesone Bridge was also designed by the
same person that designed the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
(Galloping Gertie it used to be called), or at least
its design was similar if not done by the same person.
After the Tacoma Narrows collapse, stiffening truss
girders were erected the length of the Whitestone in
order to prevent a similar occurrence over the East
River.
--Mark
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Posted by Bingo on September 04, 1997 at 13:46:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Warning: The CTA Visitor's pass posted by Joe M on
August 28, 1997 at 21:23:57:
Pardon moi, but I think you are misinformed. The $6.50 Day Pass is
good for unlimited rides all day for one person on weekdays and 2
adults and 4 children on weekends.
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Posted by Bingo on September 04, 1997 at 13:51:04:
In Reply to: [5]Noise on the CTA! posted by B Wolk on August 28, 1997
at 19:16:46:
It's those newer Budd cars that you speak of. The older silver boxes
run adequately (and that's pushing it. Those cars come nowhere close
to any I've been on in New York, England or Japan)
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 04, 1997 at 13:57:39:
In Reply to: [5]Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges (was:
Trains on Bridges posted by Mark S Feinman on September 04, 1997 at
12:34:23:
Actually, they were not designed by the same firm, but suspension
bridges in general had been designed with less and less deck stiffness
over the years. With Tacoma it finally caught up with them. It was
very narrow, and stiffened with a shallow plate girder skirt. The wind
often howls through the narrows, and one not-so-fine day its speed was
just right to set up sympathetic vibrations and down she came,
captured graphically on film. This set up a panic among the big bridge
guys, who recognized several bridges with similar deck stiffness, one
of which was Whitestone. D.B. Steinmann came up with a nifty solution
that added diagonal cables to the suspension system, which can be seen
if you look closely. This stiffened the entire assembly against the
kind of motion that took "Galloping Gertie" down without mucking up
the nice thin lines of the deck. This is all especially amusing when
one considers that all during this era the GWB stood solid as a rock
with just one deck having NO STIFFENING AT ALL, just lots of dead
weight. The stiffening trusswork was added only when the bottom deck
was added in the early sixties.
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Posted by Bingo on September 04, 1997 at 14:10:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Warning: The CTA Visitor's pass posted by Dave on
August 29, 1997 at 10:35:46:
Nice sarcasm. Je suis tellement amuse.
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Posted by Bingo on September 04, 1997 at 14:52:32:
I turned up in New York unexpectedly on the 28th (only for a day) but
I was shocked at how the system has deteriorated since I was last
here. Why the hell am I paying 25 cents more for a ride? And why are
there less transit police patrolling the stations? Some of the transit
surveillance cameras have disappeared! There are WAY more uncouth
types rambling around Penn stations platform now. For the first time I
feared for my life in a New York subway car. I'm surprised there isn't
more vandalism on the system. I was also told that there would be less
bus service now because of cuts, but I didn't use the buses to see for
myself.
What's going on? Now I can't travel the subway without having doubts
about my safety or whether I'll be accosted by some guy with cheap,
fake marijuana or packets of angel dust. I need some answers. What
went wrong? And more importantly, when will it be fixed?
And where the hell did those nice red cars go?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 04, 1997 at 15:06:12:
In Reply to: [6]The deterioration of a fine system posted by Bingo on
September 04, 1997 at 14:52:32:
I'm actually surprised that you've noticed significant deterioration
:-o There have been some budget cuts in the last year or so, reflected
mainly in reduced off-hours service and possibly in some slightly
dirtier cars, but these are relatively minor. As a whole, the system
is way above its levels of 10 or 15 years ago. And crime rates are
much lower than even a few years ago.
I've been riding the system almost every workday for 3 1/2 years, and
I can't say that I've noticed any deterioration. Of course, you're
seeing it from a different perspective, but even so ...
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 04, 1997 at 15:10:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trains on Bridges posted by Gerry O'Regan on
September 04, 1997 at 09:32:51:
Are you sure that the Manhattan and Tacoma Narrows bridges were
designed by the same firm? They were built about 30 years apart, and
surely the practice of bridge design and engineering had changed a lot
in the interim.
Hmmm ... more I think about it, if the bridge that collapsed was the
*Tacoma* Narrows, we ought to ask Big Don for his opinion :-)
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 04, 1997 at 15:50:54:
In Reply to: [6]The deterioration of a fine system posted by Bingo on
September 04, 1997 at 14:52:32:
"the nice red cars" are still here - on the 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7 lines.
They'll be gone within two years, though. They date from 1958-1964.
Maybe you notice more deterioration if you are only here once every
few years. New Yorkers may not notice gradual decline over time...
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Posted by Loui from Middletown on September 04, 1997 at 17:17:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Track questions - was Re: Too fast - No stop
posted by Andrew Huie on September 03, 1997 at 23:12:29:
NS-Norfolk Southern. They are getting the old Erie Main as part of the
Conrail break-up.NJT owns the tracks from Hoboken to Suffern,Conrail
owns the tracks north of that (altough NJT does the actual dispatching
up to Port Jervis- all under contract with Metro-North, of
course![confusing, isn't it???])
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 04, 1997 at 17:29:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes? posted
by David Pirmann on September 03, 1997 at 09:54:57:
Actually, if you look historically, even 67' cars are really too long
for parts of the Eastern Division. This was the reason the BMT got the
articulated MS units that could take the curves, especially on the
Canarsie line, much quicker than the 67 ft. Standards. Why the TA or
MTA have never considered such units for these lines is baffling (it
probably has to do with standardization). Geller says in his BMT book
that the BMT was able to run weekend service on the Canarsie with six
trains of the MS units!!
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Posted by Joe-M on September 04, 1997 at 19:55:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Philip Nasadowski
on September 03, 1997 at 19:11:47:
Contact NIMCO in New Jersey
They salvage bus and rail equipment
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 04, 1997 at 19:56:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Zack on September 03,
1997 at 20:06:49:
Are you joking??
Because I've been on trains where they treat the controller as a giant
on off switch - so badly that you can feel it.
I'm not sure what kind of controller is it - though I'm betting
switched resistance judging from the big resistors on the roof of
these things. I'm pretty sure the Metro North M2s are that way - and
they are a hell of a lot smoother than these. While we're on the
subject - all of this equipment uses A.C. overhead, but D.C. motors.
The conversion AC->DC is normally done with SCRs, but some of Septa's
stuff is pretty old (I'd guess 1960's) I think they're the MA1-A cars.
Does anyone know if these are solid state too, or are they ignitron??
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 04, 1997 at 20:15:42:
In Reply to: [6]Subway items for sale posted by Matt Kobin on August
31, 1997 at 11:15:30:
NYCT has a web page for there Asset Recovery Unit, selling off old
crap. Check out [7]This page. They post new stuff on the 15th and the
last day of each month, thereabouts.
Right now they have an armored truck for sale and some other crap.
Some computer parts, some subway car parts, and more crap...
--Dave
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Posted by Subway-buff on September 04, 1997 at 20:23:23:
I was browsing links and found www.dejanews.com. In the search field
type nyc.transit.
This usenet news group is similar to, but not as excellent as
sub-talk. The only reason I feel it is worth the mention is that our
own Mr. Pirmann has postings there! along with some of our other
regulars.
The search results are disp[ayed similar to Yahoo! complete with ads.
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Posted by P.A.R. on September 04, 1997 at 21:41:29:
Does anyone know what the name of the old Greyhound Bus Terminal (on
the Westside of Manhattan) will be once the rehabilitation of the
structure is complete? Will the Transit Authority keep the "Greyhound"
name or will it rename it to Hudson Depot, since it will actually
replace the existing Hudson Depot on 12th Street and 11th Avenue.
Thanks.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on September 04, 1997 at 21:49:23:
In Reply to: [6]Not Only On Bridges... (Was Re: Trains on Bridges)
posted by Julio Perez on September 02, 1997 at 09:09:02:
A couple of reasons to limit speed on a bridge are the afformentioned
sine-waves and also dynamic impact loading. The sine-wave loading
occurs because of the transition from the softer ground to the harder
bridge, and causes the bucking motion we are familiar with from a
train crossing a bridge. The dynamic impact loading is a generally
linear relationship that dramatically increases the static load of a
car as speed increases (60 mph is a factor of 1.55). Among the many
causes of this are joints, falt wheels, treack alignment, etc. There
really isn't any excuse for the 20 mph restriction, however. In
Philly, the PATCO line goes 45 mph over the Ben Franklin.
I don't think the idea (mentioned several posts down) that it is from
the twist of having a train on the bridge are correct. Rush hour
traffic will cause the same twist, and trains have always been
unevenly loading the bridge. Nor is it simply a matter of weight -
bridges are strength designed in a weighted probablistic manner for a
worst case scenario an entire bridge full of heavy trucks backed up
over the whole length.
Most probably, the restriction is from fatigue reductions in bridge
strength. This occurs over time from the cyclic loading the bridges
undergo. If the fatigue limit is exceeded (as it undoubtedtly has
been), the bridge quickly starts to deteriorate much more rapidly than
it would have otherwise. This is what suddenly took out the
Williamsburgh Bridge out of action several years ago, and led to its
current big rehab job.
Andy Byler
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 04, 1997 at 22:11:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Joe-M on September
04, 1997 at 19:55:26:
Got a number / web page??
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Posted by Andrew Byler on September 04, 1997 at 22:18:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia: Big City, Small Subway System posted
by Bobw on August 28, 1997 at 20:35:29:
You give a good summary of the situation in Philly. However, you
negelct to mention our other transit oddities.
1) The PATCO line - a rebuilding and extension of the Bridge line to
Camden which predates the similar lines in Washington, San Francisco,
etc.
2) The Norristown Line, which funcitons as a Metro line of sorts but
does not enter the city (transfer at 69th St. to the Market-Frankford)
3) The only suburban street car lines left in the country - the Media
and Sharon Hill trolleys.
Also, to make things more confusing, each system is incompatible with
the others.
The Broad St. line is a standard guage subway with overrunning thrid
rail built to railroad clearances for eight car trains.
The PATCO line is similarly built, but has different fare and
signalling systems, as well as restrictions to center platforms only.
The Market-Frankford is Pennsylvania broad guage (5' 2 1/4"),
underrunning third rail, but otherwise a standard subway line for six
car trains of short IRT/CTA size.
The Norristown line is standard guage rapid transit built for two to
three car trains.
The Media and Sharon Hill lines are surface trolley routes at PA broad
guage using simple catenary with dead end spurs requiring double ended
cars.
The Subway Surface routes (10, 11, 13, 34, 36) are surface trolley
routes using simple catenary and single ended cars.
Thus, it is not practical to connect any one system to any other.
Extensions are frequently proposed, and several have been acted upon
some time ago. The Broad St. line was extended to Pattison Ave. in
1972, and the PATCO line was opened in 1969. The Northeast extension
is the only practical one which makes any sense right now, but I don't
expect to see any action within the next 20 years on this (this is
Philly's 2nd Ave subway - everyone knows we need it, but the money
just never seems to come up). Although an extension to Germantown, Mt.
Airy and Chesnut Hill might seem to make sense, given the 70,000 plus
people who currently use the slow bus lines and the two train lines
through there, the spread of these neighborhoods does not lead one to
easily pick a route beneficial to all (neither Germantown, Green St.,
Stenton Ave., or either rail line really goes near enough to everyone
currently served). The only other sensible idea would be a line up
29th St. to Roxborough, but I doubt we'll see this any time soon. This
would complement the Frankford line in northern Philly, and relieve
the saturation of 29th and 33rd St. with buses.
As to Philly's proposed system, the following were proposed, but never
acted upon:
1) A route to the Northeast in the middle of Roosevelt Boulevard
(Broad St. branch line).
2) An extension of the Market-Frankford line up Frankford Ave.
3) A route out Passyunk Ave. from near Snyder Ave. (Broad St. branch
line)
4) A route out Woodland Ave from the Locust St. subway (now the PATCO
line)
5) A center city loop from Locust using Arch St. (some holes in the
ground on this one, like 2nd Ave.).
6) A line out Lancaster Ave. (Market Frankford spur)
7) A line up Germantown Ave. (Market Frankford spur from Front St.)
8) A line out the Ben Franklin Parkway, 29th St., and Henry Ave. to
Roxborough (Broad St. spur - the reason for the odd angle of the
tracks at City Hall besides the underpining of the tower)
9) A line up Broad St. from Olney to Cheltenham and beyond (see the
flying junction there).
Andy Byler
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Posted by Zack on September 04, 1997 at 22:30:48:
What happend to the old Pacific Electric Subway line in Los
Angles?????
Was it closed??? if So When???
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 04, 1997 at 22:52:54:
In Reply to: [6]New Subway Related News Site posted by Subway-buff on
September 04, 1997 at 20:23:23:
nyc.transit is definitely an interesting newsgroup, and anyone
interested in Subtalk should like it too. Unlike a lot of what one
finds on Usenet, moreover, nyc.transit has very little spam and
infrequent flamage.
Misc.transport.urban-transit is another newsgroup worth a look. Big
Don's LOOT postings are themselves worth the price of admission (not
that there actually is a price ...)
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 04, 1997 at 23:28:08:
In Reply to: [6]Name of new NYCTA Bus Depot? posted by P.A.R. on
September 04, 1997 at 21:41:29:
Greyhound will be called "Westside" depot. Rumors have it by January
or March of next year 100 St. and Amsterdam depots will be moving in.
And then Hudson will come in later on I hear the year 2001. I
currently work in Amsterdam depot and everything is stillup in the
air.
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Posted by Joe M on September 04, 1997 at 23:54:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Philip Nasadowski
on September 04, 1997 at 22:11:01:
NIMCO Bus Division
254 Dormus Ave
Newark NJ 201-589-9265
NIMCO Shredding
2452 Dormus Ave 201-344-2696
They may or may not have what you need I have bought parts from the
bus division
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POSTER>Bill J
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Posted by Bill J on September 05, 1997 at 09:00:14:
In Reply to: [6]The deterioration of a fine system posted by Bingo on
September 04, 1997 at 14:52:32:
I also get to NYC only occassionally, but I've had a completely
different impression. I was impressed by how IMPROVED the system
seems. I rode a number of lines including transferring from the
Franklin shuttle to the A line (where you walk down to street level in
what some may call a dangerous area) and received lots of friendly
help (I'd never used the new electronic turnstile for a free
transfer). All the equipment I rode on was clean.
At only one time did I feel a little apprehensive. In south Brooklyn I
was in the lead car of an F? train when about seven rowdy young men
came into the car and started making derogatory remarks about the
passengers. Within a minute a TA cop entered the car and stayed until
the boys got off.
You must have hit things on a rare bad day.
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Posted by Jerry on September 05, 1997 at 11:07:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by Peter
Rosa on September 04, 1997 at 15:06:12:
I'm a native New Yorker, but only ride the subway every month or so. I
have to say that, to me, it still seems dramatically improved from all
periods I remember, dating back to the late fifties when I was an
every day rider.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 05, 1997 at 11:38:11:
In Reply to: [5]Pacific Electric LA Subway posted by Zack on September
04, 1997 at 22:30:48:
To the best of my knowledge, the trolley subway was a LARy operation.
PE left downtown and ran East before splitting up into the various
routes. LARy, the "yellow cars" had an underground terminal in the
basement of, appropriately enough, the Subway Terminal building which
still stands at the corner of Fourth and Hill. From there cars ran
underground to Echo Park where they gained street access to Sunset
Blvd. The tunnel portal is still there, and was used in the movie "Who
Framed Roger Rabbit" as the entrance to "Toontown". I looked for the
remains of the Terminal platforms in 1980, and was told they had been
converted into office space for the Veterans Administration, but never
did see the space to judge whether or not it was recognizable for what
it had been.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 05, 1997 at 11:56:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Not Only On Bridges... (Was Re: Trains on Bridges)
posted by Andrew Byler on September 04, 1997 at 21:49:23:
I agree, except that the twist due to rush hour (one way bias) is not
nearly as damaging as the cyclic twisting caused by Train traffic
being off center AND cyclic, again, agreeing with your statements
about fatigue loading. The twisting phenomenon was first reported on
in the press when a photographer setting up on the Manhattan bridge to
get a picture of one or the other parallel structures noticed the
motion in his viewfinder as a train went by. I think this was in the
late fifties.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 05, 1997 at 12:41:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Pacific Electric LA Subway posted by Gary Jacobi
on September 05, 1997 at 11:38:11:
Almost correct. The Subway Terminal was always a PE operation, not
LARY. The narrow guage system never had a subway, being an all-surface
system. The subway (actually a tunnel) was the entry for the Northern
lines of PE to reach 6th & Main. After service was discontinued, PE
stored their PCC's in it before selling them to Argentina. Also, the
portal to Toontown in "Who Framed...." was not the PE subway, but one
of the several highway tunnels in the LA metro area.
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Posted by John M. on September 05, 1997 at 13:26:17:
I took to A train to JFK Airport last weekend, and I noticed, as the
Far Rockaway line splits from the Lefferts line, there were abandoned
elevated tracks heading north into Queens. These tracks actually
continue between the Brooklyn/Manhattan bound A and the Rockaway bound
A for a while.
What were these tracks for? Where did they go? Were they part of the
LIRR at one point? Are they being considered as a potential ROW in one
of the airport light rail proposals?
Thanks.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 05, 1997 at 13:38:37:
In Reply to: [5]Abandoned tracks near JFK posted by John M. on
September 05, 1997 at 13:26:17:
These were the original LIRR tracks to Rockaway Beach. They split off
from the main line from Penn Sta at Rego Park. There are many old
posts here about there usefullness, or lack of same, for present day
conversion.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 05, 1997 at 13:38:41:
In Reply to: [5]Abandoned tracks near JFK posted by John M. on
September 05, 1997 at 13:26:17:
These were the original LIRR tracks to Rockaway Beach. They split off
from the main line from Penn Sta at Rego Park. There are many old
posts here about there usefullness, or lack of same, for present day
conversion.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 05, 1997 at 14:44:42:
In Reply to: [6]Abandoned tracks near JFK posted by John M. on
September 05, 1997 at 13:26:17:
Those tracks you see are part of the LIRR's former Rockaway Division.
The Division's tracks split off from the main line through Queens at
"White Pot" junction, located between the Woodside and Forest Hills
stations (remnants of the junction are still visible today), ran south
through Forest Park, and continued across the Jamaica Bay trestle to
the Rockaway peninsula.
Around 1950 the LIRR transferred the southern part of the line,
including the cross-bay trestle, to the subway, which now operates it
as the A train (what you rode on). The portion between White Pot and
the A train saw diminishing LIRR service until abandonment in the
early 1960s.
The abandoned line through Forest Park has been mentioned off and on
as a candidate for rail service to JFK, but nothing's gone past the
talk stage so far.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 05, 1997 at 16:14:57:
In Reply to: [6]Name of new NYCTA Bus Depot? posted by P.A.R. on
September 04, 1997 at 21:41:29:
I believe it will be called 'Westside Depot' although possibilities
have been to name it for a famous NY person (like Casey Stengel
(Flushing) and Clara Hale (126st)
At least the won't name it for royals...maybe Mother Theresa?
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 05, 1997 at 16:35:11:
In Reply to: [6]Concerns regarding the MTA Student Metrocard posted by
Marcellus G. on September 02, 1997 at 13:23:40:
the cards are actually worthless. Once lost or stolen, the student
reports to the school, and the card is deactivated via it's serial
number, and a new card is issued. The is no value stored on the cards.
An exception is the 1/2 fare cards, which CAN have the $$ amount put
on the card. The cards work only 3 (or 4) trips each day, not
including transfers. Otherwise, it works the same as all the other
metrocards.
The cards are white with neon-green printing for HS students, and will
be issued TWICE a year, once for the fall, and again in Spring,
because some students do not continue school.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Manhattan Bridge Question (Clarification)
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 05, 1997 at 16:42:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge Question (Clarification) posted
by Bill on September 03, 1997 at 14:39:11:
It was likely an R27 or R30, they were used on the J and M at that
time almost exclusively.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges (was: Trains on Bridges
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 05, 1997 at 16:54:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges
(was: Trains on Bridges posted by Gary Jacobi on September 04, 1997 at
13:57:39:
I read something a while back about all theses bridges. Apparently,
all they needed was an OPEN truss, instead of the plate girders they
had. The plates made a large block to the wind, and a truss allows
wind through it. The more amazing thing is, the brooklyn bridge was
over 30 when Tacoma Narrows collapsed...and the Brooklyn was built
using much simpler technology than was available at Tacoma.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCT Bus in Illinois
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 05, 1997 at 17:03:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Zack on August 28,
1997 at 21:12:55:
The bus was an 8300series RTS, they were built in 1990, too early for
overhaul or scrapping, unless it was badly damaged. But NYCT does most
of that work in-house, and some engine work is done at Detroit
Diesel/Allison in Newark.
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SUBJECT>Re: The deterioration of a fine system
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Posted by subway-buff on September 05, 1997 at 17:46:30:
In Reply to: [6]The deterioration of a fine system posted by Bingo on
September 04, 1997 at 14:52:32:
I grew up in NYC. I remember when all stations had dim 25 watt
incandescent bulbs, no air conditioning in cars which themselves ahd
dim 25 watt lights that went off at crossovers and 3rd rail gaps. I
remember the 1970s when the trains caught fire, broke down, etc.
Sure-there are problems but what 90 year old car/house/building/etc
doesn't need help especially if you had financial problems and had a
choice of running the system in any form or shutdown- I too would
defer what I could. Look at stations Like Houston (1 train) to see the
present system. Sure there are more peddlers, homeless, etc,b ut they
are in every city- even Philly or Atlanta has the problem. I still say
the NYC subway system si the world's greatest and best and yes it does
have problems that are being remedied as funding is available.
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on September 05, 1997 at 18:24:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R142 AND 143:CONFIRMED?? posted by Mark S Feinman
on September 04, 1997 at 12:21:16:
thank you for the Info, Mark! I assume the delivery date is still
1999?
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on September 05, 1997 at 18:32:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by Jerry
on September 05, 1997 at 11:07:56:
The MTA made some big cutbacks in November '95, when the price went up
a quarter. It was a bad combination....but things work out that way
sometimes! The MTA I think has learned it's lesson by not wasting
money...like spending millions of dollars to change their logo! But
it's still a good system. Lots of stations have been renovated, and
new escalators have been installed where needed. But you have to
remember, it's not easy running a near-93-old, 468 station, hundereds
of miles of track system. Though I'm sure the TA would be pleased to
here someone refer to the "redbirds" as "those nice red cars"
considering how old they are!...but even those have been maintained
well! Hope your next subway ride is much better!
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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Posted by steve lowenthal on September 05, 1997 at 19:18:08:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Bus Routes posted by Steve Lowemthal on September
02, 1997 at 00:54:15:
your assitance is again requested for the web site I will be
creating.new address is
http://members.tripod.com/~ROCKAWAY/index.html
thank you again ====steve christof@webtv.net
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Posted by Steve on September 05, 1997 at 19:45:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trains on Bridges posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 02, 1997 at 12:24:33:
One part of your posting is incorrect. It is a common misconception
that a subway car/train's performance changes with load. This is
absolutely not the case. Every subway car (on NYCT) has a device
called a Load Sensor, mounted above the #1 truck. It continually
weighs the car load and through a logic network, adjusts the
propulsion and dynamic brake currents as well as the brake cylinder
pressure. By doing this, an empty subway car (called AW0) and a fully
loaded subway car (AW3) will accellerate, & brake at exactly the same
rates and achieve the same top speeds.
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SUBJECT>Re: Too fast - No stop
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Posted by Steve on September 05, 1997 at 19:56:29:
In Reply to: [6]Too fast - No stop posted by John on August 31, 1997
at 07:24:18:
The answer to your question would depend largly on the circumstances
which resulted it the station being 'blown'. In addition to 'improper
operation' by the Train Operator or Engineer, there could be a braking
problem or slippery rails. The bottom line is that if an operator
fails to make a station stop, for whatever the reason, he(or she) did
not have the train under control. So, in general, except in the case
of extremely extraordinary circumstances, the answer to your question
is YES and properly so.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: A subway car on the interstate (was NYCT Bus in Illinois)
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Posted by Steve on September 05, 1997 at 20:02:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: A subway car on the interstate (was NYCT Bus in
Illinois) posted by Mark Greenwald on August 29, 1997 at 12:21:48:
The sight of a subway car on the back of a truck was quite common in
the Hornell, NY area throughout the mid to late 80s and early 90s.
Approximately 25% of all NYCT cars which were overhauled at the
Morrison Knudsen plant in Hornell were trucked to the plant while 75%
went on the back of flatcars. During my many visits to the plant, I
also saw the 'raw' carbodies for the Norristown cars as well as a BART
car (which was being reverse engineered) on flatbed trucks.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: "TA" movie beef!!
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Posted by Steve on September 05, 1997 at 20:16:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "TA" movie beef!! posted by subway-buff on August
29, 1997 at 02:19:58:
While similarities to the movie "Money Train" and the recent token
booth torchings are striking, they are by no means unique. Back in the
70s, 3 hoodlums torched the booth in Broad Channel because one of the
clerks there had identified them earlier for fare evasion. The two
clerks in the booth were killed. However, all booths are now equiped
with a Halon Extinguisher system which will smother virtually all
fires instantly and safely. It is suspected that the system in one of
the recent incidents didn't operate because the agent smoked and had
switched off (or defeated) the Halon system.
In answer to your question about Pelham 1:23, let me say this. Work
programs (schedules) change several times a year and it is quite
possible that there might have been or might still be a Pelham 1:23.
However, because of the 'notorious' connotation such call letters
would have, especially over the radio, I'm sure that the schedule
makers would likely try to avoid it. I'm sure that some customers
would get a small knot in their guts if they heard the train operator
calling over the radio, Control, come in for the Pelham 1:23."
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 05, 1997 at 20:18:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by Charles Fiori on
September 02, 1997 at 16:56:32:
AMEN !!!
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SUBJECT>Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges (was: Trains on Bridges
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Posted by Steve on September 05, 1997 at 22:21:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges
(was: Trains on Bridges posted by Gary Jacobi on September 04, 1997 at
13:57:39:
Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be switching to the Throgs Neck
Bridge as of tomorrow moring.
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Posted by Jeff on September 05, 1997 at 22:49:41:
In Reply to: [5]The deterioration of a fine system posted by Bingo on
September 04, 1997 at 14:52:32:
No matter how "deteriorated" the NYC subway is, it is still the best
system in the world hands down!!! Although its funding was cut in mid
seventies, the system held up an now they are trying to fix the
problems caused by neglect and politicians playing with tax money.
Give NYCTA a couple of years and it will be even better than it was
befor the 1970's.
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Posted by Charley Bruns on September 05, 1997 at 23:24:17:
Is it true that there is a subway museum (or some kind of NYC transit
authority museum) in Brooklyn or some other place in the city? Our
family is interested in checking it out some Saturday, but we can't
find any information on it (not a good sign). Does anyone know if this
museum is fact or fiction? Anyone been there? We'd appreciate some
information from someone who knows. Thanks!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 05, 1997 at 23:38:46:
In Reply to: [6]Subway museum posted by Charley Bruns on September 05,
1997 at 23:24:17:
It definitely exists. You can find a web page about it on the official
MTA site, [7]Just follow this here link.
It is at the corner of Boerum Place and Schermerhorn Street and the
closest subway station would be the Borough Hall station on the IRT
2/3/4/5, with Court Street M/N/R being the second closest.
They have a number of exhibits and a whole slew of old subway cars.
They coordinate a lot of tours of abandoned areas, run nostalgia
trains, and all sorts of other things. Call them for info about the
tours at 718-243-3060.
--Dave
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 06, 1997 at 01:22:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Name of new NYCTA Bus Depot? posted by Hank
Eisenstein on September 05, 1997 at 16:14:57:
Mother Clara Hale depot is on 146St.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 06, 1997 at 02:01:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R33 FanTrip or Re: LIRR in need of a Dress Code
for conductors posted by David Pirmann on September 02, 1997 at
21:55:41:
Then what's with this Fantrip?
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 06, 1997 at 02:13:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway museum posted by David Pirmann on September
05, 1997 at 23:38:46:
And let me tell you - this place is BEYOND worth it - if only because
there is so much preserved rolling stock.
Small question - does the TA have some sort of program to preserve
subway history?? Or is it just coincedence that so much on it exists?
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on September 06, 1997 at 19:09:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "TA" movie beef!! posted by Steve on September 05,
1997 at 20:16:28:
And for the same reason, there will likely never again be a "TWA 800"
or
"Pan Am 103."
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on September 06, 1997 at 19:09:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "TA" movie beef!! posted by Steve on September 05,
1997 at 20:16:28:
And for the same reason, there will likely never again be a "TWA 800"
or
"Pan Am 103."
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on September 06, 1997 at 19:50:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 05, 1997 at 17:03:35:
mabye the NYCT leased the bus out?
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 07, 1997 at 00:45:32:
An article in today's NY Post indicates that a draft study has been
done by the MTA on a tunnel to connect the Manhattan Bridge connecting
tracks from DeKalb Av to the Jay St station, to go to Manhattan via
the underused Cranberry St Tunnel. Text of story is as follows:
MTA digs idea of new B'klyn tunnel-NY Post EXCLUSIVE
by Bill Sanderson, Transit Reporter
Transit planers are suggesting a new 1/2 mile subway tunnel in
downtown Brooklyn that would ease train traffic over the city's frail
East River Bridges.
A draft study by Metropolitan Transportation Authority consultants
proposes a $615 million subway link so some trains that now use the
Manhattan Bridge could be re-routed through the F train's underused
East River tunnel.
The study sets no timetable for building the new tunnel, which would
run between the DeKalb Avenue station to the Jay Street station.
Jonathan Sigall, a transportation planner for the Permanent Citizens
Advisory Committee to the MTA, said the proposal would ease a subway
bottleneck in downtown brooklyn.
"This is relatively low-cost and it's effective," says Sigall, who has
reviewed the study.
For years, two of the Manhattan Bridge's four subway tracks
--previously used by the N train-- have been closed for major repairs.
The planners question whether even after repairs the bridge will be
sturdy enough for continued service by the B, D and Q trains.
The study says that rerouting some Manhattan Bridge trains through the
F train's tunnel would ease the strain on the bridge and offer an
alternative route when the bridge is closed for repairs or
emergencies.
Repairs now underway should make the Williamsburg Bridge strong enough
for the J, M, and Z trains that use it, the MTA's consultants say.
Copyright 1997 NY Post, used without permission
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 07, 1997 at 00:55:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Name of new NYCTA Bus Depot? posted by Fernando
Perez on September 06, 1997 at 01:22:39:
You are correct. This is what I get for not checking facts...
According to the 1997 insiders guide, the greyhound terminal will
become 'West Side Depot' and will become active in 2002 when Hudson
will be closed and a new 100st Depot is built.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 07, 1997 at 01:03:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Zack on September
06, 1997 at 19:50:04:
Doubt it. They are in the process of ordering 250 new buses...and as
far as I know, the TA has never been a leasor on a bus, always a
leasee.
Speaking of lease, who is Lease a Catera? :>
-Hank
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POSTER>david vartanoff
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Posted by david vartanoff on September 07, 1997 at 01:06:31:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Subway FAQ - Beta Edition posted by David Pirmann
on September 03, 1997 at 12:48:58:
ambitious,nifty. re Mnhtn bridge changeover: the final north side to
Bway N's ran late Fri evening. (26 the first inbound revenue N on
south side tracks circa 4:30 Mon morining if memory serves. I was
loitering at DeKalb, and stayed thru part of morning rush to sateer
passengers as most equipment had wrong or blank headsigns.
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POSTER>RAC93
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Posted by RAC93 on September 07, 1997 at 04:47:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Pacific Electric LA Subway posted by Gary Jacobi
on September 05, 1997 at 11:38:11:
A funny thing about the Pacific Electric "System" is that they tore it
down, in the 60's (if I'm not mistaken) as being obsolete, since the
"new" freeways were being completed and bus systems were more
flexible. Then again, if anyone reading this is from the L.A. area,
the recently built Metro Blue Line from L.A.to Long Beach uses the
same right of way as the Abandoned Pacific Electric "Red" Cars. In the
L.A. County Library System, they have a video tape that I rented about
3 or 4 years ago that was about the "Red" Cars.
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on September 07, 1997 at 11:17:19:
In Reply to: [5]NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Bobw on August 28, 1997
at 20:56:54:
8397 is being converted back to diesel power from methane. I believe
the bus is due back soon. thats why it is out of NY.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 07, 1997 at 12:15:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges
(was: Trains on Bridges posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 05,
1997 at 16:54:02:
Correct, but a truss of similar stiffness would have had to be at
least 12' deep and the designers were striving for a thin look. As I
mentioned, bridge designers keep moving in the direction away from
conservative design until something gives. They understood wind
resistance at the time of first Tacoma Narrows, but knew little or
nothing about Von Karman vortex shedding, which is the aerodynamic
phenomenon that led to the spectacular failure of Gertie. The Brooklyn
bridge, having been designed early in the suspension bridge learning
curve, was and still is way stiffer than it needed to be. It is
beautiful in its own way, but nobody would call it thin!
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 07, 1997 at 14:08:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges
(was: Trains on Bridges posted by Gary Jacobi on September 07, 1997 at
12:15:05:
Is it still stiffer than it needs to be? Thanks to the years of
deferred maintainance and overuse, the Brooklyn Bridge is now saddled
with a 4 ton weight limit. Could the bridge today handle the traffic
it once handled in the 20's and 30's? (Cars, trucks, trolleys, el
cars)
-Hank
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Posted by BJ on September 07, 1997 at 14:34:16:
I was surprised to hear that the MTA is and almost has always been in
debt. The CTA is also in debt. I don't really keep track or have any
idea what agencies are not in debt.
I was just wondering if there are any transit agencies that have been
around for a long time and have never been in debt or only for a short
time.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on September 07, 1997 at 14:54:20:
In Reply to: [6]Running Fine posted by BJ on September 07, 1997 at
14:34:16:
Find me a transit agency, that runs heavy rail, that isn't in debt. I
don't think one exists.......
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 07, 1997 at 17:16:02:
In Reply to: [5]Running Fine posted by BJ on September 07, 1997 at
14:34:16:
I believe that the Maryland Mass Transit Administration (The operator
of Baltimore's Bus, Heavy Rail, Light Rail and Commuter Rail (MARC)
services is not "in debt". MTA's funding comes 50% from the State and
Federal transit budgets and 50% from the farebox. The March, 1996 fare
increase (to $1.35 per ride / no transfers /$3.00 Day Pass) has
resulted in a 9-10% increase in passengers/revenue (almost 9% on
buses) means somebody seems to be doing the right thing.
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on September 07, 1997 at 18:05:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia: Big City, Small Subway System posted
by Andrew Byler on September 04, 1997 at 22:18:11:
I was keeping my comments concise - that's why I didn't get into the
detail that you did.
The PATCO cars aren't "restricted" to center platforms. The operator/
motorman/attendant (whatever you want to call him/her) is situated on
the left side, unlike many other rapid lines, since all the platforms
are island type and his/her primary function, other than watching the
computer instructions, is to open and close the doors. Often, in
everyday operation, the cars need to use the offside doors. This could
happen at either terminal as well as at the Woodcrest center track,
the Ferry Avenue center track (although it is not used as much as it
has been in the past, especially with Woodcrest being available), and
at 12th/13th Streets. In midday hours, many trains are stored on the
inbound track west of the crossover between 9th/10th Streets and
12th/13th Streets stations, which means inbound trains must cross over
to the outbound track for their last two stops and use the offside
doors. Mirrors are placed at these locations to aid operators.
Also, in the grand plans for rapid transit, some facilities were built
in the city in anticipation of train operation. Two short sections of
the Arch Street subway exist, and the Henry Avenue bridge over
Wissahickon Creek and Lincoln Drive (the big arch bridge) has a second
deck below the roadway waiting for the Roxborough subway to be built.
Other significant ones are the large underground trolley terminal at
the Ben Franklin Bridge plaza (visible from PATCO trains) and the
subway station that existed under the parking garage at the former
Sears store on Roosevelt Boulevard, now gone.
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on September 07, 1997 at 19:53:13:
In Reply to: [6]New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 07, 1997 at 00:45:32:
heh, at least there planning for the future thoes bridges arnt going
to live for long mabur there setting the framework for addintonial
tunnel tracks and to replace the manhatten bridge???
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POSTER>Marty Lamarre
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Posted by Marty Lamarre on September 07, 1997 at 20:22:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by Andrew Huie
on August 31, 1997 at 20:42:56:
Which part of NYC is the most dangerous in terms of abandoned and
disused tenements or subway stations in ruins. We keep on hearing
about the South Bronx, Harlem and Brooklyn. Which other areas should I
be looking at, and just how dangerous are we talking?
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on September 07, 1997 at 22:58:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Running Fine posted by Dan Lawrence on September
07, 1997 at 17:16:02:
That's an interesting point Dan. The thing that stands out to me is
that unlike other systems that are left to basically stand on their on
as separate agency's, The Baltimore systems all are a part of the
state which can tap into other resources within its transportation
coffers. It does sound like a better way and more secure way to run a
system. One thing though, it's not immune to some of the woes that
other transit systems are subject to....case in point, compare the
original plans for the Baltimore Metro that were laid out in the early
70's to what actually exists...and look at the woes NY has had with
the 2nd Ave. subway. Granted, both items went through different means
that led to their demise...BUT...the common theme was the lack of
$$$$. I have a personal copy of the plans that were laid out in 1971
for a 5 line system. E-mail me for more details if you're interested,
I'm in the process though of trying to put together a piece for Dave
on "The biggest subway never built".
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 08, 1997 at 00:18:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Running Fine posted by Mark Greenwald on September
07, 1997 at 22:58:00:
Actually, the Baltimore subway plans vs. what was built was not money
related, but a victim of local politics (the South and North lines
(finally built as light rail) were killed by local pols) and the
single line that was built fell vitim to Congress's reluctance to fund
any other full system after the massive cost overruns of the
Washington Metro. The Hopkins extension was built with diverted
highway funds and the Central Light Rail Line was built with state
funds to avoid the lenghty Federal environmental studies. The three
extensions were built with Fed money (the studies for these three
extensions actually began in 1992 as the main line was being readied
for opening.
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POSTER>Bill J
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Posted by Bill J on September 08, 1997 at 08:40:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Running Fine posted by Mark Greenwald on September
07, 1997 at 14:54:20:
Acutally there isn't any form of transportation that really pays for
itself. Barges run in waterways maintained by the Corps of Engineers,
Busses run on federal and state funded hiways with "signal systems"
paid for by local, state and federal moneys, etc... Even motorists get
free traffic advisories, maps, hiways, cheap fuel, ....
So, I guess "running at a deficit" is kind of a meaningless phrase.
Bill
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In Reply to: [6]Abandoned tracks near JFK posted by John M. on
September 05, 1997 at 13:26:17:
There was a book published about five years ago about the whole
branch, I
can't remember the name...
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 08, 1997 at 09:31:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia: Big City, Small Subway System posted
by Bobw on September 07, 1997 at 18:05:03:
Congrats to Andrew for calling the Norristown Line what it is, and not
a true interurban as many people do! South Shore is the last true
Interurban!
RE: The Media and Sharon Hill Lines
These are certainly the last old time suburban lines. But more
recently, suburban light rail (trolley) has made something of a
comeback. Boston's Riverside Line certainly qualifies, as does the
line from San Diego to San Ysidro. Some of the other recent systems,
with which I am not familiar, may also qualify.
And let us not forget to "Bang the Drum" for reinstatement of the
three mothballed lines in Philadelphia, 15 Girard, 23 Germantown and
56 Erie, which are fine examples of what urban light rail really is!
Gerry
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In Reply to: [6]Re: New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Zack on September
07, 1997 at 19:53:13:
>
Please, PLEASE use a spell checker!
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Posted by Dave on September 08, 1997 at 10:13:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Abandoned tracks near JFK posted by aaron on
September 08, 1997 at 08:56:12:
can't remember the name...>>
The name of the book is "Change at Ozone Park, A History and
Description of the Long Island Rail Road Rockaway Branches," by
Herbert George.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 08, 1997 at 10:36:45:
In Reply to: [6]Running Fine posted by BJ on September 07, 1997 at
14:34:16:
Being in debt is not a sign of fiscal weakness. Keep in mind that
virtually all businesses issue stock certificates, which is a form of
debt. What is significant is that 88% of every ride on the NYCT (1996)
was paid for out of the fare box. That is one of the best if not the
best in the US. It's likely one of the best in the world. In 1998, the
NYCT will likely receive no Federal Operating Subsidy.
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 08, 1997 at 12:09:23:
In Reply to: [6]New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 07, 1997 at 00:45:32:
Replacing the Manhattan Bridge tracks? Great idea... Now, because of
the technology that exists today, we could build subway tunnels
sturdier and more efficient than when the subway system first started
in 1904... However, let me add more oil to the flame... If the NYCTA
is to do this, then why not complete the proposed 2nd Avenue line
also... That way, it can offer another alternative to trains coming
off the bridge (or the proposed tunnel) on their routes north... A
good place for a "transfer hub" would be the Second Avenue station at
Houston Street...
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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SUBJECT>Re: NJT Light Rail
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 08, 1997 at 12:40:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJT Light Rail posted by Charlie Bonaire on August
28, 1997 at 11:05:22:
I agree with Charlie... I am a resident of Bayonne down by 4th Street
and Avenue C... Of course, light-rail won't reach me until 2010...
However, bringing the train service to Bayonne would be of great
help... Heck, it's beat sitting on the Turnpike during the morning
rush-hour...
BTW, let's hope that Bayonne continues to be the best kept secret of
the Metro-area: so close to New York, yet so quiet...
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 08, 1997 at 12:40:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Running Fine posted by Steve on September 08, 1997
at 10:36:45:
Actually, this year the MTA had a surplus and is the reason why free
transfers were implented this year. Of course the cuts of September 95
is what made this surplus. Now we need to see if the free transfers
will be remain especially if federal aid is cut. In the United States,
NYC bus and subway riders pay more for expenses than any other transit
system which was 72% last year.
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POSTER>Stephanie Fischer
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SUBJECT>What happened today??
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Posted by Stephanie Fischer on September 08, 1997 at 14:02:54:
This morning while trying to transfer to the 2/3 at Atlantic Avenue,
the Manhattan bound 2,3,4, and 5 trains were not running and the
electricity was shut off. I am curious to know if 2 people (I know 1
did) jumped in front of the oncoming subway (5 train) and if it was 2
people what was their medical status and was it a suicide pact?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway items for sale
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 08, 1997 at 16:42:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Joe M on September
04, 1997 at 23:54:24:
I, too, had some success about 10 years ago with NIMCO Bus. Old signs,
sign boxes, etc. The guy there was very helpful. If any of you know
any new news at this point, I'd love to hear about it. Still looking
for NY area destination signs. Thanks.
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POSTER>Robert Melstein
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Posted by Robert Melstein on September 08, 1997 at 16:54:35:
Why do the subway conductors point at the video screens when the enter
a
station? I saw one of the TV screens say "Remember to Point!!" Is it a
safety issue?
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SUBJECT>Fastest Subway system
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Posted by BJ on September 08, 1997 at 17:21:48:
What is the fastest Subway/Rapid transit system in the world.
I know this proabably has been asked before, but I never noticed it.
What I mean by fastest is the top speed reached. I know BART can do
eighty, but they usually only go just under 70. I mean what system
goes the fastest on a regular basis
Also whats the fastest in the US?
Thanks in advance
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 08, 1997 at 17:25:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Zack on September
07, 1997 at 19:53:13:
Hey man,read your thing before you post it,this isnt a hukt on fonix
website message board.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 08, 1997 at 17:41:55:
In Reply to: [6]Pointing posted by Robert Melstein on September 08,
1997 at 16:54:35:
NYCT conductors are required to point at the Conductor's boards, the
thin boards with the diagonal black & white bars, before they open the
doors at a station. The reason that conductors must 'point' before
opening is to insure that both ends of the train are in the station
and that the Conductor is opening on the proper side of the train. It
is a purely safety related measure.
However, this should not lead one to the conclusion that NYCT
conductors are careless or in someway more prone to mistakes. Many
systems, world-wide, use a similar approach. In fact, in Japan,
motormen salute the signals befoe leaving a station.
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POSTER>Bingo
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SUBJECT>Re: The deterioration of a fine system
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Posted by Bingo on September 08, 1997 at 18:40:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by David
Pirmann on September 04, 1997 at 15:50:54:
You're probably right. I mean, most people who visit Toronto find our
system clean and efficient and yadah yadah yadah, but if you use the
system everyday, you find that is simply not the case (in many many
facets, all the way up to the management of the system)
Where is the funding coming from right now? Are there private entities
involved in the running of the system, or is it entirely run through
public funding?
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POSTER>Bingo
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Posted by Bingo on September 08, 1997 at 18:55:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by Peter
Rosa on September 04, 1997 at 15:06:12:
Yes. I see it from the perspective of a freaked out visitor.
Just kidding. You're right, the system has improved a lot since the
seventies when all of the cars would be spraypainted from end to end.
I'm surprised the system runs as well as it does with the voluminous
amounts of passengers that use it everyday. It's still among the best
systems in the world, and is used as a catalyst for other North
American systems. That must count for something. It is much, much
better than the CTA.
I was surprised at the way I was treated and the negative things that
I noticed. Maybe I looked too much like a tourist or something.
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POSTER>Bingo
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Posted by Bingo on September 08, 1997 at 18:59:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by Nick
on September 05, 1997 at 18:32:05:
Hey, we had red cars, they were made in England, we lost ours (1994),
you should be glad you still have yours!
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 08, 1997 at 20:50:12:
In Reply to: [6]What happened today?? posted by Stephanie Fischer on
September 08, 1997 at 14:02:54:
As of about 8:30 pm, the WCBS-FM Web site doesn't have anything about
this incident (though it features a story about a jumper off the S.I.
Ferry). I find it a bit surprising, as the site usually gives a lot of
play to subway accidents/crimes etc.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 09, 1997 at 03:05:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Pointing posted by Steve on September 08, 1997 at
17:41:55:
Hey, since were bringing the ideas of the Tokyo subway system here,
why not hire guys to shove people on the Lexington and Queens Blvd
lines in the morning rush!
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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DATE>Oct 15 08:36:22 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on September 09, 1997 at
Hello folks,
I've upgraded the search engine on the home page to WebGlimpse, from
the University of Arizona. (It replaces Excite for Web Servers 1.0.)
Recently I've been converting a lot of the pages to be generated by
CGI scripts and the Excite search engine didn't know how to handle
these. The Glimpse search engine pulls all the pages from the server
so that the CGI pages are fully expanded before being indexed.
Check it out on the home page.
-Dave
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Posted by Dave on September 09, 1997 at 09:03:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Running Fine posted by Steve on September 08, 1997
at 10:36:45:
>
This is incorrect. Stock equals equity, an investment in a business.
No interest payments are due to stockholders because the investment is
not a loan; the certificate represents ownership in the company.
Unless the investor bought shares from the company at the initial
public offering, the investor is actually buying his shares from
someone who is selling them. "Debt" is a loan to a company on which
interest must be paid and the loan principal paid back, just like a
car loan or a mortgage.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 09, 1997 at 10:37:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges
(was: Trains on Bridges posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 07,
1997 at 14:08:18:
One factor to consider on the Brooklyn Bridge is that the roadway
structure may be the reason for the weight limit and not the original
design. No matter how good the suspension system is, a worn out deck
is still a worn out deck. As I recall, the Brooklyn Bridge has a
series of heavy transverse girders connecting each pair of vertical
cables. These are braced together and the deck structure rides on top
of them. Thus the deck can fail without impacting the main structure
of the bridge.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 09, 1997 at 11:58:41:
In Reply to: [6]Fastest Subway system posted by BJ on September 08,
1997 at 17:21:48:
Fastest in the world? I'll have to give that some thought.
Fastest in the US? I'd have to say it's either BART, WMATA (Washington
DC) or PATCO's Lindenwold Line in NJ.
I thought BART trains could do 80 mph in the TransBay Tube.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 09, 1997 at 12:31:42:
In Reply to: [6]New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 07, 1997 at 00:45:32:
You know, it wouldn't surprise me if these MTA consultants read this
board. I posted this idea here long ago (as part of the thread "what
would the NYC subway be like in 2020" started by Michael Adler). The
MTA
has to start preparing now for the weight restrictions that will be
put on
the Manhattan Bridge over time because of its condition. I think in 5
years there will be truck weight restrictions placed on the bridge and
it's only a matter of time before all trucks will be forced off the
bridge. Subway trains can follow soon after that. The Williamsburgh
will
fare better because of the subway lines running on the center of the
bridge (less twisting, though I'm no engineer) and it is currently
undergoing renovations supposedly to last another 50 years.
And some alternative has to be drawn up to handle the mess that will
start
when the north side of the bridge is taken out of service for
"repairs".
It'll make the N/R service changes look like child's play. Look how
long
the south side has been out. Imagine this on the north side.
Here's some other food for thought:
- keeping one track open on the north side during peak hours in the
peak
direction. Build temporary crossovers in the tunnels before the bridge
approaches to enable the trains to switch to the track remaining in
service. This track can be closed during off-peak hours.
- rerouting Q express service via the F line; Q starts at Stillwell
Avenue
and runs express from Ave X to Jay Street. F local retains current
route.
D local retains current route. G local terminates at Church Ave and
uses
"yard" tracks south of the station for turnarounds. Possibly have a
peak
direction express service on the Brighton Line; at least this would
reduce
some of the traffic on the north side of the bridge.
(Is it the Cranberry St tunnel or the Rutgers Street tunnel??)
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway museum
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 09, 1997 at 12:38:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway museum posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 06, 1997 at 02:13:02:
> Small question - does the TA have some sort of program to preserve
> subway history?? Or is it just coincedence that so much on it
> exists?
I think it's organizations like the Railway Preservation Corporation
and
employees of NYC Transit like Mike Hanna who are also subway buffs
that
are to thank for all the rolling stock that has been preserved, and
restored. It's no coincidence. If it were up to NYC Transit, all of
the
old rolling stock would have been off the property long ago. (This is
not
to say anything bad about NYC Transit - their mission is to move
people
efficiently and safely from point A to point B - they are just simply
not
in the museum business of retaining rolling stock past its useful
life).
BTW, I think you're gonna see fantrips or Nostalgia Trains of the
R1/9s,
the BRT gate cars and the AB standards in the next few years,
especially
when we get closer to the NYC subway's centennial.
Not bad for a museum that started as a temporary exhibit for the
nation's
bicentennial.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: R142 AND 143:CONFIRMED??
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 09, 1997 at 12:45:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R142 AND 143:CONFIRMED?? posted by Nick on
September 05, 1997 at 18:24:47:
Yes, I believe sometime in 1999 is correct.
--Mark
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: Fastest Subway system
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Posted by Julio Perez on September 09, 1997 at 14:45:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fastest Subway system posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 09, 1997 at 11:58:41:
BART may be the fastest, but it's also considered--are you ready for
this??--LIGHT RAIL. That's because the cars each weigh about 30 tons
and are made out of aluminum.
So, you may want to qualify your question by which is the fastest
heavy rail-based subway system, both in the US and abroad.
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: New Brooklyn Tunnel?
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Posted by Julio Perez on September 09, 1997 at 14:47:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 08, 1997 at 12:09:23:
Hell, why not build the tunnel to Staten Island also? Last time I
checked, Robert Moses was dead, anyway, so who'll complain?
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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SUBJECT>Re: The deterioration of a fine system/Gloucesters
DATE>Oct 15 08:36:29 1997
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 09, 1997 at 15:25:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by Bingo
on September 08, 1997 at 18:59:10:
Ah, the Gloucesters ... Slow, heavy (remember those concrete floors)
and the fact that the M-1's had the low rate setting so that they
wouldn't overrun a leading train of G's. Oh, yes, remember motormen
who used to lean on the controller handle with their elbows going up
the hil from Summerhill to St. Clair?
One thing about the British - they have the ability to make anything
heavier than it has to be.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: NJT Light Rail
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 09, 1997 at 16:27:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJT Light Rail posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 08, 1997 at 12:40:33:
I would like to see the service extended to Staten Island, eventually.
The question is, could the Bayonne Bridge handle the weight, and would
the cars be able to climb the step ramp?
-Hank
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Search Engine Upgraded
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 09, 1997 at 20:06:40:
In Reply to: [6]Search Engine Upgraded posted by David Pirmann - Web
Site Host on September 09, 1997 at 08:23:38:
One more note, (actually two)
1. the new search engine isn't as "smart" as the old one with phrases.
For instance if you want to know about subway fares, try just
searching for "fare". As I become more familiar with Glimpse, I'll try
to make it more reasonable..
2. I added a selected bunch of offsite documents to the search engine,
so for instance if you searched for "fare" you'd get a hit back from
the MTA web site. Offsite links are clearly marked on the returned
list of hits.
Comments welcome.
-Dave
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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SUBJECT>BART vs Commute from Hell
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on September 09, 1997 at 20:33:27:
I've been watching the news of the BART strike and accompanying
pictures of massive traffic jams. Having just returned from a few
weeks in the Bay Area, I can commiserate. On the best days traffic is
hell (and there is nowhere to park!). But it's my observation that a
sizeable portion of traffic is from the Peninsula. BART stops at Daly
City, but it's needed clear down to Stanford, and perhaps to San Jose
as well. And a spur into Marin County just makes sense.
Anyone know if BART plans to expand, or does that make too much sense?
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 09, 1997 at 21:08:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJT Light Rail posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 09, 1997 at 16:27:36:
I am sure the Bayonne Bridge could handle light rail cars. That bridge
is immense (is it still the second longest steel arch span in the
world? Was the longest until Sydney Harbor...). If that bridge were a
tank, well, it would be built like a tank.
--Dave
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 09, 1997 at 21:17:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Pointing posted by Fernando Perez on September 09,
1997 at 03:05:26:
In a word - lawsuits. We in the west have a different idea about being
shoved in the back by strangers.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 09, 1997 at 21:19:42:
In Reply to: [6]What happened today?? posted by Stephanie Fischer on
September 08, 1997 at 14:02:54:
A lone female jumped at the Atlantic Ave. Station. She was pronounced
dead at the scene.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 09, 1997 at 21:21:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Running Fine posted by Dave on September 09, 1997
at 09:03:42:
You are quite correct and I stand corrected.
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Posted by Ted on September 09, 1997 at 21:56:18:
In Reply to: [6]BART vs Commute from Hell posted by Charlie Bonaire on
September 09, 1997 at 20:33:27:
Charlie ,
There are plans for a 8.2 mile extension from the existing Colma
station to SF International Airport. The extension could be in service
in the year 2000. I agree with you that a longer extension to serve
southern communities ( like Stanford ) is needed.
Ted
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POSTER>Charley Bruns
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Posted by Charley Bruns on September 09, 1997 at 22:43:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway museum posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 06, 1997 at 02:13:02:
Thanks, Dave and Philip, for the information. I look forward to
checking out the museum real soon.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on September 09, 1997 at 22:43:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fastest Subway system posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 09, 1997 at 11:58:41:
As I pointed out before, the fastest permitted track speed in a tunnel
under the streets is 70 mph on Philadelphia's Broad St. line express
service.
Out of the ground, WMATA, MARTA, and the MTA (Baltimore) all do 70
mph. PATCO does 75 mph. I do not know what BART's speed is. The
Philadelphia and Western (SEPTA's Norristown High Speed Line to those
not in the know - the true last interurban in the country) is good for
at least 70 mph and possibly more. The old Bullet cars were tested at
speeds up to 92 mph on the property - a feat certainly matched by the
Libertyliner (nee Electroliner) equipment. The line itself is quite
impressive, with superelevation up to 8 inches (mainline railroads are
limited to 6).
Andy Byler
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on September 09, 1997 at 23:00:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia: Big City, Small Subway System posted
by Gerry O'Regan on September 08, 1997 at 09:31:17:
Gerry,
Re: Philadelphia and Western vs. the South Shore
Although both are the descendants of interurban lines, and the last
remaining original facilities in this country of such lines, neither
is really one any more. My P&W is now little more than an
overglorified metro, while your South Shore would pass for any
electric commuter line this side of the continent (it especially
resembles the Montreal lines). If we are oging to get into nitpicking,
however, I'll stick to the P&W as being closer to the original product
- the only change since construction is new rolling stock. The South
Shore has bougth standard commuter rail cars, rerouted its line out
around some cities (Gary, and S. Bend), and dropped its electric
freight service, and functions, for all intents and purposes, as a
third branch of the Metra Electric line.
Anyway, the last true electric interurban (whetehr its registered or
not) is the Iowa Terminal. It is, however, freight only.
Andy Byler
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 09, 1997 at 23:01:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fastest Subway system posted by Andrew Byler on
September 09, 1997 at 22:43:30:
As for heavy rail, the LIRR electrics can do upto 80, and I've been on
New Haven line MN trains that were doing 90. Fastest I've been on yet
was a SEPTA Trenton line train that just about broke 95 at one point.
The MTA's M1s and 3s are supposed to be able to do 110 (although one
engineer I told that to mentioned that the train cars would probbly
fall apart first :) And I've heard 120 as a top end for the M 2s, 4s,
and 6s.
Some of the NYC subway cars (R 46???) were tested to 80 on the LIRR,
and I think Path does 50 - 60 on the surface parts to Newark.
Intersetingly, I've heard the old Lacawanna (3kv DC) MU's could only
do 70 on a flat track.
What I'd like to know, however, is what the top speeds on the LIRR
MP-54's were, and what the normal running speeds of them were.
As for BART, I think 80 is the top speed, but I've heard that the
trains never really do go that fast.
Other question: Is the Metro (D.C.) standard guage???. For than
matter, how many cites beides SF and Philly run nonstandard guage
equipment??
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Posted by Joe M on September 09, 1997 at 23:28:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway items for sale posted by David Pirmann on
September 04, 1997 at 20:15:42:
So dave What do you really think about what they have for sale?
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Posted by bill on September 10, 1997 at 02:40:11:
In Reply to: [6]New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 07, 1997 at 00:45:32:
Wait. You're talking about the MTA right?
The gang that couldn't shoot straight....
After messing up service on the G and
Queens Blvd trains with the latest scam
(the 63 tunnel connection), you are giving creedence to an
organization that screws its
riders royally, especially with unannounced
service changes all in the name of progress.
If the MTA had any brains whatsoever (and I
highly doubt it), they would be able to create
more reasonable service schedules for the line
connection.
Now do you really think they will do any better
when it comes to a Jay St. connection? It makes too much sense for the
MTA to do it. They'll also have to finish building the 2nd Ave
station, and un-mothball the J,M,Z connection at Essex St.
But forget about it. This is the MTA we're talking about.
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on September 10, 1997 at 03:16:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tacoma Narrows, Manhattan & Whitestone Bridges
(was: Trains on Bridges posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 09, 1997
at 10:37:28:
I don't know if this was mentioned yet, but the Brooklyn Bridge also
had a fault discovered and patched rather unelegantly:
At some point it was discovered that *some* of the original suspension
cables were supplied not-to-spec -- this scandal was made worse by the
fact that it was not known which of the cables were bad -- and so,
additional cables were added on top of the original elegant cables
that were to hang straight down. Today you can see that on top of
these cables were added an additional set that are at an angle (not
straight up/down but criscrossed) that were added on top of the
existing mix of good and bad cables!
The brodge would be much nicer with the simple original cable design.
BTW, I met my wife, thank G-d, at a celebration party for the 100 year
aniversary of the Brooklyn Brodge (there were fireworks on the night
we met...)
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Posted by guest on September 10, 1997 at 06:09:22:
In Reply to: [5]What happened today?? posted by Stephanie Fischer on
September 08, 1997 at 14:02:54:
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 10, 1997 at 08:37:18:
Today's (9/10) NY Daily News has an article on the schemes being
considered to allow for the deterioration of the Manhattan Bridge and
the effects on subway service. Their web site is www.mostnewyork.com.
Look for the article in the same section as news of the NYC Dem
mayoral primary. Click on "An Alley Oop for Messinger" and then scroll
down. message back if any questions. One option considered is the
connection from De Kalb to the Rutgers tunnel. The downside there is
the bypassing of Grand St.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 10, 1997 at 09:08:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Joe M on September
09, 1997 at 23:28:28:
Sorry wasn't I clear? :-)
I just meant that there won't be much of interest to the transit
memoribilia collector for sale there, until the R26-R36 cars go up for
purchase :-)
--Dave
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 10, 1997 at 09:14:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Running Fine posted by Dave on September 09, 1997
at 09:03:42:
From the standpoint of private businesses, stock indeed is equity
rather than debt. However, many businesses do have a significant
amount of debt - I believe Time Warner has something like $9 billion.
So the
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 10, 1997 at 09:17:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Fastest Subway system posted by Philip Nasadowski
on September 09, 1997 at 23:01:49:
Other than Market-Frankford (5'2/1/2") and BART, every other
subway/heavy rail is standard guage.
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POSTER>John M.
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Posted by John M. on September 10, 1997 at 09:57:23:
In Reply to: [5]BART vs Commute from Hell posted by Charlie Bonaire on
September 09, 1997 at 20:33:27:
I'm not super familiar with the San Francisco area or the BART system,
doesn't the CalTrain extend from SF to San Jose with a stop in Palo
Alto (near Stanford). Is the CalTrain part of BART, or is it a
separate system?
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Posted by aaron on September 10, 1997 at 11:16:38:
Where can I buy the pass at O'hare? I would assume at the entrance to
the
"L" station, if not, please advise.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 10, 1997 at 13:07:42:
In Reply to: [6]Manhattan Bridge posted by Charles Fiori on September
10, 1997 at 08:37:18:
It was a bit confusing for me to see the Daily News article on the
web, so [7]
here it is in its entirety.
--Mark
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 10, 1997 at 15:11:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Fastest Subway system posted by Philip Nasadowski
on September 09, 1997 at 23:01:49:
WMATA (Wash. DC) is standard gauge. At NYCTA it was a train of R-44's
that tested at 83 MPH. With the latest round of speed restrictions
implememted by the NYCTA you'd be lucky to see them do more half of 83
MPH.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on September 10, 1997 at 16:23:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway museum posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 09, 1997 at 12:38:43:
At the museum they also have a tower and swithch machine that they use
to demonstrate how they control interlockings. On the track they have
arrows and such that point to the leading or trailing points of the
turnout.
When I work on Livingstion St I use to spend many lunches there. Miss
it now that I am in Long Island City (well it is a short walk to the
Sunnyside yards, for free). At that time it was just the cost of a
token. Now I think it's $3 or so for adults.
The web site posted in one of the messages is pretty good.
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Posted by Bob A on September 10, 1997 at 18:19:10:
I thought the City Hall station was supposed to be opening to the
public in August. I went to Brooklny Bridge station the other day and
asked around but no one (token clerks, motororman and conductor) knew
what I was talking about! Anybody know what the story is?
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Posted by Allan on September 10, 1997 at 19:44:51:
In Reply to: [6]City Hall Station opening to public? posted by Bob A
on September 10, 1997 at 18:19:10:
The latest I heard is sometime next year (possibly). The usual excuses
being given: funding problems, construction problems etc. My feeling -
look to 1999 (if someone in the TA bureaucracy doesn't find some way
to kill the project altogether and reroute the funding).
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Posted by BJ on September 10, 1997 at 19:52:18:
In Reply to: [6]cta vistiors pass posted by aaron on September 10,
1997 at 11:16:38:
Check the CTA's web page to be sure, but I'm pretty sure I read they
are available at the airport.
Call the RTA Travel Chicago Info center @:
312-836-7000
they handle all CTA Metra and Pace questions
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Posted by Jeff on September 10, 1997 at 21:24:43:
In Reply to: [5]New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 07, 1997 at 00:45:32:
The MTA thinks that it is slick. I think that the manhattan bridge is
no longer fit to carry trains like it used to. Ever notice that the
northsied and southside tracks never operate at the same time. The mta
is not telling us that the bridge is about to fall apart and that they
want to slip out of a bad situation a.s.a.p.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 10, 1997 at 21:28:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City Hall Station opening to public? posted by
Allan on September 10, 1997 at 19:44:51:
Another possible cause for the delays in opening the station is the
upheaval at the Transit Museum (well-documented here and on
nyc.transit).
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Posted by Joe M on September 10, 1997 at 23:24:48:
I am trying to determine the color scheme of the Minneapolis PCC cars
before they went to Cleveland and Newark. Does anyone have a color
picture?
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Posted by david vartanoff on September 11, 1997 at 02:27:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: BART vs Commute from Hell posted by Ted on
September 09, 1997 at 21:56:18:
Building BART down the Peninsula is analagous to running the PATH to
some location already serrved by NJT on the Corridor because you were
dissatisfied with the ridership on the mainline trains. CalTrain
former SP service extends south of SAN Jose to Gilroy. As usual the
problems are lack of connectivity, preference for autos, AND low
density widely dispersed employment and housing oportunities. Think
living inTenafly and commuting to a job inNew Rochelle, or perhaps
living inHoboken and working at Bridgewater Commons(287 & 78). Also
remember BART was deliberately built to a unique track guage and so
EVERYTHING costs extra. And yes the commute today in and out of SF was
a pain, but I will do it again tomorrow..
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 11, 1997 at 02:28:48:
Does anyone know if Metro North is having another Open house at their
Crton-Harmon shops this year?? I know they had them the past few
years, and I want to know if and when it's happening this year (so I
can plan my life around it :)
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 11, 1997 at 07:34:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: City Hall Station opening to public? posted by
Peter Rosa on September 10, 1997 at 21:28:26:
Please advise as to what upheaval at the Transit Museum. As one who
remembers going there when R46 680-81 in Bicentennial get-up were
there, I'd like to know. Thanks.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 08:04:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City Hall Station opening to public? posted by
Charles Fiori on September 11, 1997 at 07:34:29:
Read the archives for details but in short, almost the entire staff
quit, including the education department, and they are slowly being
replaced. At least one opening at the curatorial level existed too
(there was a job posting for it on the MTA site). Word has it the gift
shop is being outsourced, and some projects (including City Hall) got
put on hold.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 08:07:32:
In Reply to: [6]Metro North Open shops??? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on September 11, 1997 at 02:28:48:
I think it was last spring around the same time as Hoboken "Try
Transit" Festival, but I could be mistaken.
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Posted by Ed Sachs on September 11, 1997 at 09:24:48:
In Reply to: [6]Manhattan Bridge posted by Charles Fiori on September
10, 1997 at 08:37:18:
It seems to me that the Rutgers St. tunnel could never be a complete
replacement to the Manhattan Bridge. The lines through DeKalb Ave.
are already limited by two tracks being out-of-service on the bridge.
To replace the two remaining tracks with a connection to a two track
tunnel which also has to carry the F train would only further limit
the
number of trains which could be run.
If trains need to be moved off the Manhattan Bridge, a replacement
tunnel (2 tracks) as well as the connection to Rutgers St. tunnel
would
be needed. The replacement tunnel could serve the Broadway express
tracks via the (currently idle) Canal St. station. This solution would
still
leave Grand St. station hanging (time to finally build the Second Ave.
subway?).
Of course, taking trains off the Manhattan Bridge will mean the end of
one
of the wordl's most scenic transit rides.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 11:15:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Ed Sachs on September
11, 1997 at 09:24:48:
So why not build the new tunnel to connect to both the Canal St.
station (Broadway Express) and the Grand Street Station (6th Avenue
Express). That plus the connection at Jay St. would allow...
F train thru Rutgers St.
diversion of one 6th Avenue service to Rutgers St.
other two sixth avenue services to new tunnel to Grand St.
move one Montague st. service to new tunnel to broadway express.
The new tunnel should be able to handle three services--the Manh. Br.
is doing that now as is Montague Street...
Alternatively the F could run thru Cranberry St and cross over at West
4th. Some changes in 8th Avenue service would ease this by: Running
the E local in Manhattan and Queens as it is now; Run the C local in
Brooklyn and Express in manhattan below 53rd Street; Run A express in
Brooklyn and Manhattan (as it is now with local in Brooklyn late nites
and weekends with No C service); Run the F local in manhattan crossing
over at Canal Street then to the 6th ave local at west 4th. (It is my
opinion that a direct Chambers-6th Ave service is necessary anyway).
Since there would be no 6th avenue local train coming up Houston
STreet, there's no crossover bottleneck at West 4.
-Dave
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 11, 1997 at 11:52:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: City Hall Station opening to public? posted by
David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 08:04:32:
Does it pre-date your interest, or do you remember people like Marvin
Sommerfield, Aubrey Surgeon, et al?
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Posted by Steve Earley on September 11, 1997 at 12:17:35:
Hello,
I am a senior at Rutgers University and am doing my honors thesis on
the culture of the New York City subway system. I am looking for any
amusing or interesting anecdotes, stories, experiences, etc., that
riders have witnessed on the New York City subway. You can either post
to the bulletin board or email directly to me at:
mcstevo@eden.rutgers.edu.
Thank you.
Steve Earley
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 11, 1997 at 12:29:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metro North Open shops??? posted by David Pirmann
on September 11, 1997 at 08:07:32:
The Croton-Harmon open house is usually held in the fall, either at
the
end of October or sometime in November. I don't know when it is this
year.
--Mark
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 11, 1997 at 12:38:00:
I know that thee was a Hoboken Festival this Spring. Does anyone know
if they will have the usual Hoboken Festival this Fall or has it been
moved to the Spring permanently. If there is one this fall can you
also give us the date.
Thanks,
Wayne
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 11, 1997 at 13:43:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by David Pirmann on
September 11, 1997 at 11:15:05:
Both yours and Ed's suggestions are certainly valid possibilities.
However, I don't think the MTA is going to build another East River
tunnel
anytime soon. They're going to try to reroute the B,D and Q trains off
the Manhattan Bridge at the lowest cost possible. The tunnel under
Rutgers Street is under-utilized; in fact I think it is the only
B-division tunnel that is not accommodating more than one line under
the
East River. So the question is how to do this and minimize the impact
to
Grand St station users.
Here's what I think is going to happen:
* The connection between DeKalb Ave and the Rutgers St tunnel is
going
to happen. It has to. If the Manhattan Bridge is deemed unsafe to
trains, you've just killed the 6th Avenue line trunk service
leaving only
the F as a local. So this connection will be built and the B, D
and Q
trains will use it, running on the current F route stopping at
York St,
Delancey St, 2nd Ave and Broadway Lafayette. I think some
consideration
would be given to reopening the long-closed Myrtle Ave station and
we
might even see studies on this, but I think in the final analysis
this
will not reopen. This might also be the project that closes the
books on
the 2nd Ave Subway.
* A new tunnel will be built from the Cranberry St tunnel (A,C) on
the
Manhattan side, connecting to the current Grand St station. The F
train
will use this new connection. F trains will stop at Jay St and
High St
along the A/C route of today, use the Cranberry St tunnel and
diverge from
this tunnel to Grand Street. The tracks connecting Grand St and
the
Manhattan Bridge will be used for layovers or as a short storage
area.
The connection to the Manhattan Bridge will be severed.
* A flyover will be built allowing B, D and Q trains stopping at
Broadway-Lafayette to switch to the current routing west of
Broadway-Lafayette (no crossovers anymore) and allowing F trains
to switch
to the current routing as well. Same heading towards
Broadway-Lafayette
for Brooklyn-bound trains.
* N and R trains will forever more use the tunnel between Dekalb Ave
and
Whitehall St.
* The extra trackage north of the new connection in Brooklyn will be
used for storage.
Here's some additional food for thought. Suppose an Engineering study
is
done to analyze the stress on the Bridge if the outermost tracks on
both
sides of the bridge were discontinued. Only the Manhattan bound track
on
the south side and the Brooklyn bound track on the north side would be
used. If the stress was found to be within some acceptable tolerance,
the
idea of peak direction service on these tracks could become a real
possibility. So the above scenario would be altered somewhat, as
follows:
* The connection between DeKalb Ave and the Rutgers St tunnel is
still
going to happen. The B and D trains will use it at all times,
running on
the current F route stopping at York St, Delancey St, 2nd Ave and
Broadway
Lafayette. The Q train will run over the north side of the bridge
during
rush hours only, and only in the peak direction, through Grand
Street as
it does now. During off-hours, it will use the new connection with
the B
and D.
* The new tunnel will be built from the Cranberry St tunnel (A,C) on
the
Manhattan side, and F trains will still use it at all times.
However,
because of the peak-hour service over the Manhattan Bridge, the
"fake"
walls of the Grand St station will be torn down and the tracks for
the 2nd
Ave subway will be used by F trains coming out of the Cranberry St
tunnel.
The current Grand St tracks will be used by peak hour Q trains
only during
rush hours. A connection from the outside tracks to the current
Chrystie
St connection would be needed north of Grand St.
* The flyover west of Broadway-Lafayette is still built, with the
provision for Q trains to remain on the current route during rush
hours.
* N trains will use the south side of the Manhattan Bridge only
during
rush hours in the peak direction, stopping at the lower level of
Canal St.
At all other times, the N and R trains will use the tunnel between
Dekalb
Ave and Whitehall St.
--Mark
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 14:40:39:
In Reply to: [6]Hoboken Festival posted by Wayne Johnson on September
11, 1997 at 12:38:00:
I think it has been permanently moved to the spring to coincide with
the national "Try Transit Week". They certainly won't have another one
this year..
--Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 14:53:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 11, 1997 at 13:43:13:
That sounds like a *lot* more construction than an East River tunnel,
especially when you consider having to tunnel under the streets.
Seriously, a tunnel from the Cranberry tube to Grand Street, double
flyover.. etc? It seems much easier to me to build the East River
tunnel between DeKalb and Canal/Grand.
Another idea would be to sever the connection to Canal Street entirely
and forever. Then hook one track on the south side of the bridge to
the southbound 6th Ave from Grand, and one track on the north side to
the northbound 6th Ave (as it is now). Using one track on each side of
the bridge would balance out the weight.
This could be in addition to the Rutgers St. tunnel business.
Another idea would be to build a short tunnel from DeKalb into the
Cranberry Street tunnel, instead of or even in addition to the tunnel
from DeKalb to Rutgers Street. Think of the routing possibilities that
would open up... Any of the current B,D,Q,N,R,M could use the bridge,
Rutgers St., Cranberry Street, or Montague Street!
-Dave
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 11, 1997 at 16:28:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by David Pirmann on
September 11, 1997 at 14:53:16:
Two problems with using Cranberry/Fulton; 1) It is already very well
used, whereas Rutgers is not, and 2) B'way-Nassau does not provide
access to other lines trackage, while the Christie St complex does.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 11, 1997 at 16:52:48:
Is Mike Quill reincarnated and living in Oakland? Yesterday the
participants in the negotiations started yelling at each other and
walking out of talks. Can jail be far behind? Many commuters who took
the first few days off in hopes it would be a short strike are now
rejoining the mobs on the Bay Bridge. Leaving early proved to be no
solution on Monday and Tuesday; believe it or not, going LATE is
effective (8:30 or 9), or at least it was yesterday.
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Posted by Brian from Chi town on September 11, 1997 at 17:05:01:
I briefly overheard on the WGN Morning news that the CTA will be
running some historic cars on the Red Line. ( Howard Street to 95/Dan
Ryan)
I have no idea what the number codes like R63 you guys use mean.
I think they are the red birds possibly.
Anyway I just overheard it, but I think they will be running just till
the end of this year.
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Posted by Zack on September 11, 1997 at 18:58:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 11, 1997 at 13:43:13:
why not rerout ALL trains to rutgers tunnel? and have a grand
street/DeKalb shuttle????
P.S im not a new yourker so i dont know the track arrangements and
such :(
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POSTER>Don Steele
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Posted by Don Steele on September 11, 1997 at 20:15:15:
In Reply to: [6]Subway museum posted by Charley Bruns on September 05,
1997 at 23:24:17:
I've been there a few times. I enjoyed walking through the older
equipment.
I believe in the summertime, there is an excursion to Rockaaway every
Sunday.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 11, 1997 at 20:43:12:
In Reply to: [5]Historic Cars on the CTA? posted by Brian from Chi
town on September 11, 1997 at 17:05:01:
You say your from Chicago....than what the heck are you talking
about?Redbirds?....explain yourself....what class???
Are you thinking about the Red and white "Flying bird" cars (only a
small amount)from the 6000 series?
I'm only 15 and know everything there is about the CTA....please be
more clear next time.......
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 11, 1997 at 20:45:56:
In Reply to: [5]Looking for subway anecdotes posted by Steve Earley on
September 11, 1997 at 12:17:35:
Be sure to throw in the Graffiti days....even though terrible,really
for the subway and the city it was a major highlight in the systems'
history.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 20:55:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway museum posted by Don Steele on September
11, 1997 at 20:15:15:
The weekly excursion ("Nostalgia") trains ended years ago. They now
have them about 4 times a year to either ROckaway or Coney Island.
From time to time other fan trips are run, like this upcoming
weekend's IRT Low-V trip (sold out).
--dave
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 11, 1997 at 20:56:33:
Iwas recently at the Transit Museum in Brooklyn (on vacation with my
parents)and bought a "IND Lines" patch...it was about a
dollar....anyway,i should have gotten more than one and i regret
not......does the Transit Museum do mailorders?
Also,i was at one of the numerous Army/Navy surplus stores around the
corner from the Canal Street station on Canal and bought a NYCTA
emblum patch.It had the (outdated)Two-tone "M",NYCT around the top and
"station department" on the bottom.Its the coolest patch and i got
home and put it on my bookbag along with the "IND Lines"...people have
asked about them and i'd happily tell them.....just thought id tell
you that.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 11, 1997 at 21:00:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Gary Jacobi on
September 11, 1997 at 16:28:01:
Chrystie Street connected the two bridges to 6th Avenue (Wburg and
Manhattan)-- I'm not sure how it's relevant here. Broadway/Nassau
doesn't need to provide track connections-- crossover back to the 6th
Avenue would be done a few stops further up at West 4th Street. I
think you'll see that the Canal Street Broadway Express will be closed
for good...
--Dave
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 11, 1997 at 22:20:14:
A new 12.4 Billion dollar budget has been approved for the Department
of buses. Included in the plan will be 400 new 40 foot buses, 400
natural gas, and 220 articulates to go to 126 St. depot and Flatbush
depot. Jackie Gleason depot will get a new natural gas filling station
for the CNG's and 100 St. will be rebuilt. Also a friend of mine who
is a operator at Kingsbridge depot said about 50 to 100 of thier
Orions are going to Staten Island, to make room for more articulates.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 11, 1997 at 23:03:48:
In Reply to: [5]Department of buses update posted by Fernando Perez on
September 11, 1997 at 22:20:14:
What bus manufacturer have they awarded these to?
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on September 12, 1997 at 00:42:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: BART vs Commute from Hell posted by david
vartanoff on September 11, 1997 at 02:27:39:
I concede your point, David. But my experience with CalTrans isn't too
good either. When I lived in San Carlos, service was cut back and I
wound up taking the bus. Some people don't mind the bus, but I would
rather step on a nail.
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Posted by hal on September 12, 1997 at 03:33:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by David Pirmann on
September 11, 1997 at 21:00:22:
while we're on the subject of reroutings, let's look at north queens
for a sec.
You folks are giving the MTA enterly too much credit. Take a look at
what they are doing with E,F, Q and G service.
The question here is whether a queens blvd-63 st connection will ease
congestion. It won't. It will make things worse.
In the meantime, they have disrupted all services along the E, F and G
lines to build the connection. Stupid. Now image what they'll do with
the F and A,C service at Rutgers and Cranberry.
What is needed is independent, intelligent thinking, something the MTA
wizards are in very short supply of.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 12, 1997 at 04:48:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update posted by Bryan Layne
on September 11, 1997 at 23:03:48:
Most likely the CNG's will be Orions. The Articulates will be New
Flyers. As far as the 40 footers is concerned it probably will be Nova
and maybe some Low Floors from New Flyer.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on September 12, 1997 at 07:33:13:
Perhaps someone out there knows the history of this. East of the
Broadway Junction station, as part of the vast East New York El
complex, there exists the vestigial remains of a rather steep ramp
that appears to lead nowhere. After climbing to it's apex, the ramp
suddenly ends just before the Alabama Avenue Station. From the
construction details of the structure, the ramp appears to have been
built as part of the dual contracts expansion and is contemporary with
the remainder of the maze of El girderwork in this area. I've heard
lot's of speculation on this over the years, but have yet to pin down
the definitive story. Any ideas?
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Posted by subway-buff on September 12, 1997 at 08:12:09:
In Reply to: [6]East New York El Ramp posted by Frank Gatazka on
September 12, 1997 at 07:33:13:
I will be touring the area with the Musuem on 9/27/1997. I will ask
them that question and post the answer. (Oops! I almost forgot to make
my date Y2K compliant B-)
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POSTER>aaron
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Posted by aaron on September 12, 1997 at 09:10:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Historic Cars on the CTA? posted by Bryan Layne on
September 11, 1997 at 20:43:12:
I don't know of any Red and white "Flying bird" cars from the 6000
series.
Please be more specific. I am 38 and DON'T know everything. If you are
15, these cars probably were retired before you were born!
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 12, 1997 at 09:14:48:
In Reply to: [5]Department of buses update posted by Fernando Perez on
September 11, 1997 at 22:20:14:
At this point Kingsbridge only has about 60 Orions left (most were
sent to Casey Stengel). It seems that the TA is makeing an effort to
have "Orion" depots. Nearly all (maybe all of them by now) at Casey
Stengel are Orions and I'm guessing that the Kingsbridge buses would
be sent to Castleton Depot which already have a large number of Orions
also. Is it safe to assume that Kingsbridge retain several (at least
100) RTS's for their routes that don't use articulateds?
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on September 12, 1997 at 10:56:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Historic Cars on the CTA? posted by aaron on
September 12, 1997 at 09:10:43:
Isn't it amazing that 15 year olds know everything. It seems the older
I
get, the less I know (or perhaps, I'm finding more things I don't
know).
- a parent of two teens and and ex-teen.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on September 12, 1997 at 13:03:32:
In Reply to: [6]Looking for subway anecdotes posted by Steve Earley on
September 11, 1997 at 12:17:35:
If you have access to HBO-----watch "subway stories". It does
highlight a few of the more unusual things that can happen on the
system. Although, it is not completely accurate in the station names
and such but it does give you an idea of the types of things that can
happen.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 12, 1997 at 13:19:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by David Pirmann on
September 11, 1997 at 14:53:16:
I guess my assumption with the routing changes is that it is more
expensive to build a (relatively) long underwater tunnel that it is to
have multiple construction sites that are of limited length. I have no
idea if this is true or not.
Existing crossovers could be used west of Broadway - Lafayette to cut
down on construction costs but I think that alternative does introduce
a bottleneck.
--Mark
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SUBJECT>E,F,G,R on Queens Blvd & 63rd St Connection (was: Re: Manhattan Bridge)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 12, 1997 at 13:31:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by hal on September 12,
1997 at 03:33:34:
I'm not so sure about the new connection being stupid.
It is providing an additional means of commuting into Manhattan along
these lines. If a train breaks down at 53 St & 5th Avenue heading
downtown during the morning rush, the only alternative is everyone
heading down the R line. Now you'll have an alternative - 63rd St. It
should allow additional capacity even when there are no bottlenecks.
The return trip to Queens? Well, to handle that, the G train is being
cut back to Court Square. The new line via 63rd St will take its
place. More people will use this line that the G line. SO I don't see
the congestion getting worse.
Service disruptions now? Sure there are. But at least they are not
nearly as bad as the Manhattan Bridge fiasco. There are folks
following this discussion group that never SAW south-side service
across the Manhattan Bridge!!
--Mark
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 12, 1997 at 14:20:27:
Of late, there has been a lot of talk about the 63rd Street
connection... It should be able to alleviate congestion... a little...
However, I wonder if the MTA, or any of the SUB-TALK writers out
there, has ever given thought to a connection that will alleviate
congestion... as to cars! What I suggest is that they build a
connection to Staten Island... Now, I know it may cost an arm and a
leg, but I think it should be looked at... Now, due to the location of
Staten Island in the city, the only feasible connection would be to
Brooklyn, but I think a connection to Manhattan (and maybe even New
Jersey) can be looked into... I know I, being a resident of Bayonne,
NJ, hate to use the PATH trains, and taking a bus during rush-hour and
having it pass through the Holland Tunnel is not my idea of enjoyment,
so I hope I can present an idea to you (and maybe even the MTA):
I understand that the North Side of S.I. have tracks that are
abandoned... What can be done? Well, a train can run from St. George
to Port Richmond... from there, a tunnel can be made connecting to
Bayonne, New Jersey... then, the train would run along the eastern
coast of Bayonne and Jersey City... then, a connection can be made
connecting this line to the PATH trains between Jornal Square and
Grove Street stations... Possibly (in an attempt to replace the
outdated Path trains) trains can then run from here into the World
Trade Center using the Hudson Tubes (now being operated by PATH)...
Now, I know it sounds like a headache, but if you want to alleviate
congestion of the worse kind (vehicles!), this idea or something
dealing with this issue should be looked into... I just hope I'm not
the only one who has wishful thinking...
Sincerely,
Daniel Valles
Student, Pace University
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Posted by subway-buff on September 12, 1997 at 14:29:56:
In Reply to: [6]Staten Island Connection posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 12, 1997 at 14:20:27:
Your idea, while great has problems. PATH trains and tunnels are built
to IRT Type specs- In theory you copuld run an IRT car on PATH and a
PATH car on the IRT. The IRT and PATH have very tight turns and SIRT
cars which use the BMT type of Car are wider and longer. A BMT car
wandering onto IRT tracks would crasdh into the patform or a tunnel
wall due to clearances-especially in the lower Manhattan section.
Elsewhere on this site you can find specas of the BMT/IND and IRT
cars. You can also find specs on PATH cars and note how they match
with the exception of doors (2 on most vs 3 or all IRT) the IRT specs.
To replace PATH you'd need new tunnels built to BMT/IND specs and with
the hatred of the Port Authority and PATH it'll never happen. The only
hope is a train to Bayonne from St. George-and don't wait for that
one. Trains are not popular in the city of today.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 12, 1997 at 14:32:36:
In Reply to: [6]Staten Island Connection posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 12, 1997 at 14:20:27:
Check the archives. There's been plenty of talk about it.
You might also want to check out the newsgroup nyc.transit (if your
site doesn't have, try [7]DejaNews). Look for threads with subjects...
"R" Train Service to SI
Express R train to S.I.
in the past two weeks at least 100 posts have been made on this very
topic.
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Posted by subway-buff on September 12, 1997 at 14:34:57:
In Reply to: [6]Staten Island Connection posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 12, 1997 at 14:20:27:
I'd love to see the PATH annexed by NYC. I ride PATH every weekend and
face 20 minute waits between trains- late trains, unannouced
re-routes, trains full to rush hour packing on weekends, etc. I'd
gladly pay $1.50 for better service. The PATH service has
deteriorated. During late afternoons at the WTC they used to keep a
spare train open for Newark and the train crews would pull in on the
other track and then swap trains to the one that has been loading for
20 minutes and then leave their train for the next crew. Lately they
have been closing up the spare train for cleaning (and it is just as
dirty-The NYC dirty cars are clean compared to PATH).
I'd love to see "free transfer" on 6av to PATH-and yes, one 6av train
to Newark without the Journal Square transfer to a full train from
WTC.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 12, 1997 at 14:43:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Staten Island Connection- Part II posted by
subway-buff on September 12, 1997 at 14:34:57:
I don't think making PATH part of the MTA is a Good Idea. Rudy has
already expressed his distaste for PATH a number of times. If people
buy into his argument PATH service will go further down the (hudson)
tubes...
As for combining PATH with SIRT, platform size and car length is not a
factor that cannot be overcome. Runnign PATH size cars on the SIRT
would be fine-- move the SIRT R-44's back to NYC.
The main problem with any plan that depends on connection (either via
track connections or transfers) is that PATH is overcrowded and over
rush-hour capacity. It can't handle significantly more riders without
infrastructure improvements.
I agree a transfer along 6th Avenue would be nice, and at WTC also
(could be done using a unified farecard scheme. No construction
necessary.)
(All of the arguments that Rudy makes are based on the fact that
per-passenger, PATH is more highly subsidized than NYCT. To hear him
tell it, PATH brings no benefit to the City of New York. I'd like to
hear him say that when a few hundred thousand daily commuters remove
their millions in spending from New York City stores, restaurants,
entertainment, etc.)
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POSTER>Nathan McCartney
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Posted by Nathan McCartney on September 12, 1997 at 18:51:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fastest Subway system posted by Julio Perez on
September 09, 1997 at 14:45:08:
BART is standard heavy rail subway! "Light" Rail is not a weight
designation, but is used more in terms of capacity. Whether or not a
subway car is made out of aluminum is irrelevant, expecially if you
have every been on the gigantic (though cumbersome) aluminum
rectangular prisms used on the TTC subway. Light rail systems have a
capacity of (usually) between
5000-1000 passengers per hour. A heavy rail train could be made of
plastic
and saran wrap but if it is carrying over 20000 passengers per hour at
high speeds then it is heavy rail. Just because a subway car is made
out of lightweight materials does NOT mean it is "Light" rail, that is
determined by capacity.
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POSTER>Nathan McCartney
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Posted by Nathan McCartney on September 12, 1997 at 18:53:53:
In Reply to: [5]Pacific Electric LA Subway posted by Zack on September
04, 1997 at 22:30:48:
The Pacific Electric was an interurban network, not a subway as we
know it:
As far as I know ridership peaked in the '20s and the system was
completely closed by the '50s...
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on September 12, 1997 at 18:56:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by Jeff
on September 05, 1997 at 22:49:41:
No, I was just in London, and , SHOCK HORROR!!! The London tubes were
cleaner than the TTC tubes...apparently the entire system has just
recieved a face lift, but yeah, there was security everywhere and I
felt safer than I have on any other subway system.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on September 12, 1997 at 18:57:06:
Does anyone know how many passengers a single R-46 car can hold? And
also how many passengers a single R-32 car can hold? Thanks.
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on September 12, 1997 at 19:02:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system/Gloucesters
posted by Dan Lawrence on September 09, 1997 at 15:25:33:
I remember them well, one of my relatives was a motorman on those
things and they were SLOW!! The point is, though, the G-1's looked way
nicer (and somewhat sleeker) in the Toronto tubes than those new,
grotesque, lumbering silver things ever will. I was on one of the new
T-1's this summer, happy to see that red had been brought back into
the system.... and to dare, they
still market themselves as the red rocket...
grrrrr
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on September 12, 1997 at 19:02:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The deterioration of a fine system/Gloucesters
posted by Dan Lawrence on September 09, 1997 at 15:25:33:
I remember them well, one of my relatives was a motorman on those
things and they were SLOW!! The point is, though, the G-1's looked way
nicer (and somewhat sleeker) in the Toronto tubes than those new,
grotesque, lumbering silver things ever will. I was on one of the new
T-1's this summer, happy to see that red had been brought back into
the system (red seats, relish small pleasures, no more
woodgrain!!!).... and to dare, they
still market themselves as the red rocket...
grrrrr
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 12, 1997 at 19:20:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Historic Cars on the CTA? posted by aaron on
September 12, 1997 at 09:10:43:
What..does age determine knowledge now?
The cars im talking about were in the 6000 series and a few were
painted a special red and white wings livery sometime in the
60's......
So what if i wasnt born when they were around....do you have to be
dead for 200 years to know about George Washington?
Have you ever read the Chicago Transit Authority books...both of them?
All i'm saying is please dont make it look like,since im 15,i dont
know what im talking about,please!thats pretty stereotypical.
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POSTER>BRYANLAYNE
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Posted by BRYANLAYNE on September 12, 1997 at 19:28:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of buses update posted by Fernando
Perez on September 12, 1997 at 04:48:04:
i just cant get into the cng's or the low floor buses.Neither is
atractive and the CNG's are particularly ugly.Anybody else agree with
me?
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 12, 1997 at 22:05:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Staten Island Connection posted by subway-buff on
September 12, 1997 at 14:29:56:
There was a plan a few years ago to send the SIR to NYC via Bayonne,
with some additional stops, and a connection to lower Manhattan to the
6/8th ave lines or the B'way line (BMT) I think a study was
authorized, but nothing has come of it as yet.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 12, 1997 at 22:09:16:
In Reply to: [6]Department of buses update posted by Fernando Perez on
September 11, 1997 at 22:20:14:
Yes, several Kingsbridge Orion V's (numbered from 220 and up) have
been transfered to the Castleton Depot. 1981 RTS's have moved from
Castleton to Yukon, and many of Yukon's '81 RTS' are being shopped to
ENY for overhaul. (1200 series)
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 12, 1997 at 22:12:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update posted by BRYANLAYNE on
September 12, 1997 at 19:28:32:
I honestly don't care WHAT the bus looks like, as long as it arrives
on time and is clean on the inside.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 12, 1997 at 22:18:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Zack on September 11,
1997 at 18:58:30:
the problem with this is still the Manhattan Bridge. But no one really
goes from Grand St to Brooklyn. The demand is more for service uptown.
-Hank
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 12, 1997 at 22:24:57:
There was an electrical explosion at the 28st station on the 1/9 this
morning, anyone know anything more about it?
-Hank
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Posted by Zack on September 12, 1997 at 22:33:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update posted by BRYANLAYNE on
September 12, 1997 at 19:28:32:
up in Tavcoma Wa they thve some Orion citycrusers and orion V's that
are CNG their nickname are "slugs" some on the 444+ sound Horrible the
Orion V's reguary do 55+ as they go to seattle on a routune basis (and
there NICE too!!!! Air conditiong)
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Posted by Michael Adler on September 12, 1997 at 22:50:31:
After playing with other MTA possible domain names and came across the
following MTA domain names which MTA actually owns:
libus.org (Long Island Bus)
mnr.org (Metro North Railroad)
nyct.org (New York City Transit)
lirr.org (Long Island Railroad)
Wondering if MTA planning to use these domain names for each agencies?
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Michael Adler
Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
City Letter Carrier serving Wheat Ridge & Mountain View (not
Netscape's hometown )
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Posted by Allan on September 12, 1997 at 23:09:21:
In Reply to: [6]PATCHES posted by Bryan Layne on September 11, 1997 at
20:56:33:
The Museum currently does not accept mail orders
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 12, 1997 at 23:45:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update posted by BRYANLAYNE on
September 12, 1997 at 19:28:32:
Correction. 600 40 foot buses are going to be purchased and Coliseum
Depot is going to be rebuilt. On Sunday October 5 from 1 to 5 pm
Transit will have some antique buses on display at 130 Livingston St.
for a Transit family day.
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Posted by Joe M on September 12, 1997 at 23:57:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of buses update posted by BRYANLAYNE on
September 12, 1997 at 19:28:32:
Nova makes a low floor CNG with the tanks under the floor too. They
look like a regular RTS except for no smoke Kenosha has 12 Austin TX
has over 30
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POSTER>Garfield
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Posted by Garfield on September 13, 1997 at 00:13:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: East New York El Ramp posted by subway-buff on
September 12, 1997 at 08:12:09:
A little over a year ago, I was talking with a few track workers who
were
doing repairs on the J/Z line. They were telling me that there was a
plan to use that part of track as an extension but the whole thing
just fell through the cracks. The steel frame is clearly visible as
you enter the station (Queens-bound) rising from the existing track
structure.
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Posted by Antoniette on September 13, 1997 at 01:15:42:
In Reply to: [6]Staten Island Connection posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 12, 1997 at 14:20:27:
The easiest way is a Narrows tunnel which will emerge into the
abandoned but still extant,SIR South Beach Line at Hyland Blvd. The
connection still exits to the main line. Then, since the North Shore
line is being rebuilt now, redo and reopen the stations. That should
be done, whether the Brooklyn connection is completed or not.An
alternative would be lite rail on the Narrows Bridge lower deck, right
onto Bay Street exit and left into South Beach right of way.It can be
done!
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 13, 1997 at 02:32:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 12, 1997 at 22:18:35:
Um, that is incorrect. Many chinese commute from Brooklyn to Grand
Street and back, because their jobs are located in Chinatown. In fact,
the problem has become so bad at night (they get off work at approx.
11pm) that the city councilwoman petitioned to have Grand Street
expanded (more stairways, larger mezzanine and such). There was an
article in the [7]Daily News in January about this (search the News
archives under 'grand street'). It is busy enough that I believe that
Grand Street should remain a link between the Brooklyn lines and the
6th Ave trunk. As for a new tunnel, I think it should carry the N, B,
and D lines as a direct replacement for the Manhattan Bridge, with the
Q going over the proposed link to the Rutgers St. tunnel. Let's face
it, the current Broadway service is S-L-O-W. Restoring the N train as
the Broadway Express would help service immensely. Since the tunnel
will likely be only 2 tracks (though a third track to handle rush hour
trains from a single direction would be nice), the Q can be switched
over, since it goes to a different destination than the D and B
anyhow.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 13, 1997 at 02:44:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 12, 1997 at 13:19:54:
Well, for the underwater tunnel, it can be prefabricated like the 63rd
Street one, and dropped into the river. The only disruption would be
when the new tunnel construction breaks into the existing ones. With
flyovers and such, it means reworking the existing tunnel innards,
severely disrupting existing services. I agree, though, that with your
planned routes a flyover at some point in the 6th Ave trunk is
necessary.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 13, 1997 at 02:51:21:
In Reply to: [6]E,F,G,R on Queens Blvd & 63rd St Connection (was: Re:
Manhattan Bridge) posted by Mark S Feinman on September 12, 1997 at
13:31:53:
It would be nice though, if the new connection also provided a
transfer point at Queens Plaza, so it can allow transfers with all the
Queens Blvd. lines.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 13, 1997 at 03:05:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 10, 1997 at 13:07:42:
One thing about the article: I found the last two proposals pretty
silly. Isn't the route used by the 2 and 3 packed enough already
during the rush hours? And ferrying all those commuters by bus would
be a major hassle. You'd need a bus terminal to receive those people.
Of course, if the Brooklyn Bridge still carried trains....
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 13, 1997 at 03:24:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Brooklyn Tunnel? posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 08, 1997 at 12:09:23:
HAH! I doubt if the city will EVER build anything as useful as the
Second Avenue subway. The people simply aren't suffering enough.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 13, 1997 at 03:56:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metro North Open shops??? posted by Mark S Feinman
on September 11, 1997 at 12:29:04:
Was there one last year? I checked the Transit Museum guide (that's
how I found out the year before) and the Metro-North list of events
but didn't see it for last fall. Will they be having one this year?
And is there a reliable source of NY metropolitan area transit events?
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 13, 1997 at 03:58:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by David Pirmann on
September 11, 1997 at 14:53:16:
With the route possibilities you suggested, that would make the
confusion over the Chrystie St connection look like mild dizziness
8-).
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Posted by buster on September 13, 1997 at 04:33:13:
In Reply to: [6]E,F,G,R on Queens Blvd & 63rd St Connection (was: Re:
Manhattan Bridge) posted by Mark S Feinman on September 12, 1997 at
13:31:53:
you are right about having an alternative, but absolutely wrong in
other areas. The G line supports several working class communities
that work around the clock. Greenpoint and points south are
neighborhoods of day and night laborers. you are therefore screwing a
solid tax-paying sector of the city.
If you weant to cut service to court square, then provide the
following:
(1) moving sidewalks at court square. Its a long,long walk to get from
court square to the front of the f or e to get you to Lex.
(2) more frequent G service
(3) a connection to the 7 and either Hunterspoint, Vernon-Jackson or
Court Square
Since that will never happen what I need to say about the MTA and
their arcane planning cannot be printed.
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Posted by Subway-buff on September 13, 1997 at 07:04:09:
In Reply to: [6]Other MTA domain names... posted by Michael Adler on
September 12, 1997 at 22:50:31:
They are in use. If you will check the www.mta.nyc.ny.us page you will
find listings for their various "sub-agencies". Click on a choice and
it brings up the home page of that sub agency. "Your way" lets you
bypass the MTA splash screen.
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on September 13, 1997 at 11:05:41:
In Reply to: [6]MPLS PCC CARS?? posted by Joe M on September 10, 1997
at 23:24:48:
Yow, that would have been in 1952. If you find one, Joe, please let me
know. (I know that Public Service in Newark painted theirs a nice gray
and white).
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Posted by Brian on September 13, 1997 at 15:01:11:
Where is the 4 train yard? Walking to school every day, I walk over
the yard just west of the Bedford Park Boulevard Station on the 4. At
first I thought that was the yard, because there is a track from the
Jerome Avenue El, but I saw that mostly D trains are there. I thought
the D train used the Coney Island Yard.
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Posted by Brian on September 13, 1997 at 15:31:34:
Here is what we should do.
Build a new east river crossing (This would be much easier than making
many different connections). Connect the 6th av. line from Grand St.,
and connect the Broadway line from Canal St. to this tunnel. Run the Q
train on Broadway, and run the B and D trains on 6th.
On evenings and weekends, reroute the B to the Broadway line to
Queensbridge, or call this the Q. The only difference with this is
that there would be an express on both Broadway and 6th Av., so it
makes more sense than running the B to Queensbridge via 6th Av.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 13, 1997 at 15:51:48:
In Reply to: [5]4 train yard posted by Brian on September 13, 1997 at
15:01:11:
The yard you walking past is Concourse yard. D trains are stored and
serviced there. C trains are also stored there, but I don't know if
they're serviced at Concourse yard. I don't think D trains are
serviced at Coney Island yard. I'm sure Steve knows. But the #4 line
trains use the Jerome yard which is north of Concourse yard, but it's
inside of a building. I'm assuming you're a student at either Lehman
College of Bronx H.S. of Science. From the intersection of E. 205th
Street and Goulden Ave if you look toward Jerome Avenue you can see
the tracks leading from the el into the Jerome yard.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 13, 1997 at 16:02:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of buses update posted by BRYANLAYNE on
September 12, 1997 at 19:28:32:
Yes, I agree with you. The New Flyer low fllor buses are not
attractive at all and the same goes for CNG buses (any manufacturer).
It seems that the days of good looking transit buses are disappearing
quickly. I always thought the Flxible Metro were best looking. The
Orions are OK, and the RTS I'm just tired of look at. Gillig has just
introduced a low floor bus which looks OK, but I don't see any showing
in in the NYC area.
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Posted by Bill Dee on September 13, 1997 at 16:12:04:
Does any one know what is going on at the Atlantic Ave Station on the
IRT? This morning I was going into the city and was waiting for the
train on the north end of the platform were all these lights an
worktrains.
What are they fixing out there?
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Posted by Bill Dee on September 13, 1997 at 16:20:42:
In Reply to: [5]Atantic Ave. posted by Bill Dee on September 13, 1997
at 16:12:04:
That's Atlantic Ave
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Posted by Allan on September 13, 1997 at 16:24:20:
In Reply to: [6]4 train yard posted by Brian on September 13, 1997 at
15:01:11:
The #4 train yard is located under the apartment buildings (I think
they are called Tracey Towers).
You can see the yard lead tracks leading from under the building at
205th Street.
The IND (C, D) use the Concourse Yard mainly for storage and cleaning.
Some minor repairs can be done in the inspection barn.
All major work is done at the Coney Island Shops. Which is a reason
why there is a track leading from the Concourse Yard to the Jerome Av
line (just south of the Kingsbridge Road station. This is the way some
IRT gets down to Coney Island Yard.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 13, 1997 at 16:48:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 4 train yard posted by Allan on September 13, 1997
at 16:24:20:
All IRT (A Division) except Flushing line cars go to 207th Street
Shops for major work. Also, The apartment building at 205th are not
Tracey Towers. Tracey towers are at the north end of the same block
and (I could be wrong) but I don't think the yard quite make it to
Tracey Towers, but it does come close.
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Posted by Zack on September 13, 1997 at 18:14:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update posted by Wayne Johnson
on September 13, 1997 at 16:02:43:
I like gilligs, gilig phantom's are cool Orions,newflyers,rts's look
OK
the flexible metro i cool like the gilligs :)
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POSTER>Michael Adler
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Posted by Michael Adler on September 13, 1997 at 20:33:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Other MTA domain names... posted by Subway-buff on
September 13, 1997 at 07:04:09:
No, when I type and access lirr.org or other MTA domain names, it will
automatically go to www.mta.nyc.ny.us anyway.
Michael Adler
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Posted by subway-buff on September 13, 1997 at 21:04:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Other MTA domain names... posted by Michael Adler
on September 13, 1997 at 20:33:53:
I was trying to keep it simple. What you came across is an "alias". I
ran across the same thing with a site I access from work and I asked
the sysop of that site the same question. It does not matter what you
type- you will get the Official MTA Site.
Hope this explanation helps. Sorry if I made it too simple B-)
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Posted by Steve on September 13, 1997 at 21:08:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 4 train yard posted by Allan on September 13, 1997
at 16:24:20:
The #4 train yard is officially called Jerome Yard or Moshalu Yard.
It's located under the parking facility for Tracey Towers. The reason
you see #4 trains in Concourse yard is because several #4 trains are
stored there overnight. In addition, Concourse Shop is responsible for
the exterior car washing of the #4 fleet as well as 'wheel truing'.
#4 trains do not go to Coney Island yard. They go to 207th Street for
heavy maintenance. The 'D' trains (technically) rarely use Coney
Island Yard. This is because the Coney Island comolex is actually made
up of 3 yards. City Yard or Av X yard is where the F trains lay up.
Coney Island Yard is the yard used by Coney Island Overhaul Shop and
Coney Island Maintenance Shop (not the same) and the D trains (15) lay
up in Stillwell Yd.
Contrary to popular belief - even by TA people, Concourse Shop does
many of the heavy repairs on the R-68s that other fleets have done in
the Overhaul Shops.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 13, 1997 at 22:59:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update posted by Zack on
September 13, 1997 at 18:14:03:
Maybe it's just me but I think that when the Nova's came in they were
the prettiest out of all the RTS's. The shiny paint and chrome wheels
make them look good. When Mother Hale got them last year I got to
drive the 9100's and they were smooth, fast and comfortable. And they
smelled like new cars! The telescoping steering wheel was a nice touch
also.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 13, 1997 at 23:01:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update posted by Zack on
September 13, 1997 at 18:14:03:
Maybe it's just me but I think that when the Nova's came in they were
the prettiest out of all the RTS's. The shiny paint and chrome wheels
make them look good. When Mother Hale got them last year I got to
drive the 9100's and they were smooth, fast and comfortable. And they
smelled like new cars! The telescoping steering wheel was a nice touch
also.
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on September 13, 1997 at 23:09:48:
In Reply to: [6]cta vistiors pass posted by aaron on September 10,
1997 at 11:16:38:
You CAN'T buy it at O'Hare! It's only available at hotels, like the
O'Hare Hilton. The problem is, CTA Visitors Pass isn't readily
available. It's a first come, first serve kind of thing, every Monday
morning. I was in Chicago the week before Labour Day and I spent 4
hours walking from hotel to hotel in the downtown area looking for
one. The problem is, no one is sure where to get it.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 13, 1997 at 23:45:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metro North Open shops??? posted by Andrew Huie on
September 13, 1997 at 03:56:04:
Actually, I DID find the date!!! It's around Oct 18th, and the actual
date is lisated in this months "Mileposts" newsletter. You can pick it
up the next time your in GCT, just go to a Metro North platform and
you should find them. I think it's also on the web at the MTA's web
site...
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POSTER>charlie muller jr.
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Posted by charlie muller jr. on September 13, 1997 at 23:53:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 4 train yard posted by Wayne Johnson on September
13, 1997 at 15:51:48:
on the # 4 train yard, tracy towers is the right next to or very close
to the the #4 yard. i leave about a 10 minute walk away on valentine
ave and bedford park blvd. i like to see the trains coming and going
on both the d and 4 train yards. if you take the northbound #4 train
from bedford park blvd to mosholu parkway, it passes right by the #4
train yard. the southbound 4 train from mosholu pkway to bedford park
blvd gives a better view of the tracks leading to the yard and the
main line of the #4 train.
charlie muller jr.
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Posted by Ted on September 14, 1997 at 00:36:00:
I need to know the length of the following cars :
1.) LIRR / Metro-North Multiple Unit
2.) NJ Transit Arrow EMU car
3.) NJ Transit Comet IV pass. car
I looked at several websites including this one , but couldn't find
the
data.
Thanks for your help.
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Posted by RAC93 on September 14, 1997 at 06:38:21:
In Reply to: [5]East New York El Ramp posted by Frank Gatazka on
September 12, 1997 at 07:33:13:
From a map that is posted on this site:
It shows that track leads to the East New York Yard...
The other structure in the area that is no longer is the 3 middle
tracks on the Canarsie Line (L) just after Atlantic Avenue, which
happens to be in the area. These tracks used to connect to the Fulton
Avenue EL. They are also visible on the above map. I hope this helps
to answer your question.
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Posted by Michael Adler on September 14, 1997 at 11:43:51:
Hi all,
Why not run LIRR's MU on SIR instead of R44s? can MU fit current SIR
platforms?
(picturing MUs on SIR )
Michael Adler
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Posted by Steve on September 14, 1997 at 13:54:32:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Michael Adler
on September 14, 1997 at 11:43:51:
What would be the benifit to running M-1s on the SIR? There are
practical reasons why this is not feasible but I'd be interested in
your reasons for asking the question.
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POSTER>Brian from Chitown
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Posted by Brian from Chitown on September 14, 1997 at 14:26:13:
In Reply to: [6]Historic Cars on the CTA? posted by Brian from Chi
town on September 11, 1997 at 17:05:01:
Hey, my question wasn't what your age is, just if you had any info
onthe historic cars running on the CTA.
I only overheard the story briefly so some of the info may have been
wrong!
But if you know anything about it please post it!
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 14, 1997 at 14:58:26:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Michael Adler
on September 14, 1997 at 11:43:51:
After the MTA took over, we did have some LIRR MU's. But since we were
part of the Transit Authority (which was and still is the operater on
the line) The current LIRR MU's are only slightly longer than R44, so
I don't see what kind of a problem there would be.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 14, 1997 at 15:01:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Steve on
September 14, 1997 at 13:54:32:
What practical reasons are there for not being able to run M1's on
SIR?
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 14, 1997 at 15:11:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update Nova buses posted by
Fernando Perez on September 13, 1997 at 23:01:57:
Just a quick not:those wheels are polished aluminum, which has been
clearcoated. I'm scared to see what a hard winter will do to these
wheels, which apparently aren't compatible with the steel wheels on
the older buses.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 14, 1997 at 15:26:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Andrew Huie on
September 13, 1997 at 02:32:05:
Before all the Manhattan Bridge crap started, the Q (as the QB) Ran
Local on the Brighton Line and over the Manhattan Bridge and via
Broadway Express to 57st/7ave. N Ran Via 4ave express, skiped DeKalb
Av Rush Hours, and over the bridge B'way Exprress to 57st/7av. Another
N service ran from 71/Continental to Whitehall St Local rush hours.
The M ran Brighton Local to the Nassau St line via Tunnel.
When the 6ave side of the Bridge closed, B ran via b'way xpress to
Ditmars Blvd, D ran to 57st via B'way and also from 34st/6ave to
205st. Q kept to it's normal route, and the N was made local through
the tunnel. A shuttle ran from Grand St to 57st/6av local.
When B'way was recently reopened for a few months, the N returned to
the bridge and B'way express, but the Q stayed on 6th.
-Hank
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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SUBJECT>Re: The deterioration of a fine system
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Posted by Brian Wolk on September 14, 1997 at 17:30:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The deterioration of a fine system posted by Bingo
on September 08, 1997 at 18:59:10:
1990 Bing, not 1994.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 14, 1997 at 17:58:11:
In Reply to: [5]Other MTA domain names... posted by Michael Adler on
September 12, 1997 at 22:50:31:
I may be misreading this, but I think you are have discovered that MTA
has reserved domain names, probably to prevent their use by others.
One of our local TV stations in Sacramento did that to ALL the other
local station call letters, hoping to cripple the others access to the
web. Needless to say, the people who think up those original names
like "Eyewitness News", etc. had no trouble coming up with alternate
names for sites of there own.
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on September 14, 1997 at 17:59:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The deterioration of a fine system/Gloucesters
posted by Nathan on September 12, 1997 at 19:02:30:
Oh the memories!!
When I was young and downtown with my parents, I use to make them wait
for a "red subway" or I wouldn't go...
http://web.idirect.com/~ttc/g1_3.jpg
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 14, 1997 at 18:20:20:
In Reply to: [5]East New York El Ramp posted by Frank Gatazka on
September 12, 1997 at 07:33:13:
I think you are talking about what would have been the beginning of an
extention of the single center express track that was placed with the
dual contract rebuilding on the Broadway line. Provision for a third
track was provided on the new dual contract El East of Cypress Hills
but the Fulton St. stretch was not widened, and the stations are
center platform. A flyover express track was envisioned, but the well
intentioned desire to eliminate the Crescent St. curves led to routing
disputes, and that era of building passed by without any on. It came
up again after WWII, at a time I was living at 508 Ridgewood avenue,
about three blocks East of Crescent. By then both sides of Crescent
from Fulton to Jamaica Avenues were completely filled in with nice
housing, and nothing got off the ground, literrally.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 14, 1997 at 18:23:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Hank
Eisenstein on September 14, 1997 at 15:01:45:
I don't think there are any limiting factors (yes, you CAN easily get
cars on/off of SI), but there really is no benifit from it. The M-1's
are really intended to be high speed, long distance cars, not RT cars.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the M-1s use more power, and besides,
they don't acellerate as well as the R 44s (?) on the SIRT.
I don't see any reason why it couldn't be done, but then again, I see
no reason why it SHOULD be done.
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POSTER>Brian Wolk
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Posted by Brian Wolk on September 14, 1997 at 18:34:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The deterioration of a fine system/Gloucesters
posted by Nathan on September 12, 1997 at 19:02:30:
Good to hear you back, Nathan. A couple questions:
Did you witness the opening of the Spadina LRT?
Did you visit Downsview station?
Most importantly, did you finally see those pesky little unpainted
G-trains that you wanted to so badly for so long?
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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SUBJECT>Re: MPLS PCC CARS??
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 14, 1997 at 20:07:54:
In Reply to: [5]MPLS PCC CARS?? posted by Joe M on September 10, 1997
at 23:24:48:
Check with the Minnesota Transportation Museum. Their Traction
Division is restoring TCRT 322, so they have the correct color scheme.
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Posted by jeff on September 14, 1997 at 21:29:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of buses update Nova buses posted by
Hank Eisenstein on September 14, 1997 at 15:11:28:
Actually, the Aluminum wheels were a good idea. As long as they are
scrubed they will stay shiny. Bus #3160 in Brooklyn's Ulmer Park Depot
has aluminum wheels and it was put into service in the late 80's. Its
wheels are still shiny after years of service.
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Posted by Steve on September 14, 1997 at 21:56:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Hank
Eisenstein on September 14, 1997 at 15:01:45:
Some of the practical problems resulting from running M-1s on SIR
would be: (in no particular order)
1. Power considerations. R-44s are 460 HP per car compareds to 560 for
the M-1s resulting in tremendous increase in electric use.
2. Weight considerations. R-44s are about 84,000 lbs whereas the M-1s
are about 20,000 Lbs greater.
3. R-44s have 4 door portals per side while M-1s have 2. This would
increase station dwell time.
4. R-44s accellerate and decelerate at 3MPH/Sec. which is greater than
the M-1s. The M-1s are built for a maximum speed of 80 MPH which could
never be realized on the SIR. The car would be totally inefficient.
5. The M-1s would not operate with the SIR signal system.
Those are just a few of the negatives. Can anyone think of a positive?
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 14, 1997 at 23:13:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Steve on
September 14, 1997 at 21:56:51:
Ok.. here's a positive:
The look cooler :)
Ok, ok, I KNOW what your thinking, but I'm talking RELATIVE here. I
personally think everything from the R - 40 on just looks plain ugly.
At least the M-1s have cleaner lines....
But seriously, why can't the LIRR come up with a halfway decent paint
scheme for them??? Not that I advocate canning the stainless look,
it's just that the mismatched look of current LIRR trains just looks
plain stupid. For that matter, why does it seem that all the commuter
equipment looks plain boring??? Least favorite has got to be the newer
NJT stuff, with their "Barbie" interiors. What clowns come up with
this stuff???
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Posted by Steve on September 15, 1997 at 01:11:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Philip
Nasadowski on September 14, 1997 at 23:13:03:
Truely, it seems that the LIRR can't make up it's mind. One of the
MetroNorth branches has a bonnet scheme of Orange & White diagonal
'safety' striping. I'd like to do something similar with my fleet.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 15, 1997 at 04:13:20:
On October 4 and 5 the Shoreline Trolley museum in East Haven,Conn
will have a New York days celebration featuring Street cars and Rapid
Tranist rail cars of their collection. For more info:
http://www.panix.com/~christos/TrolleyPage.html
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Posted by charlie muller jr. on September 15, 1997 at 07:21:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 4 train yard posted by charlie muller jr. on
September 13, 1997 at 23:53:01:
to allan, the track from the #4 train main line to the d train
concourse yard is north of the kingsbridge road station south bound
track.
charlie muller jr.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 15, 1997 at 08:31:20:
Just wanted to point out some new things added in the past couple of
weeks that you may not have found yet:
* [6]NYC Subway Car Roster pages- 100s of photos added.
* [7]Historical Perspectives - new pages of Snow Removal Equipment,
Scrapyards, Commuter Rail.
* [8]Boston MBTA Historical Photos - lots of new photos by/from Joe
Testagrose.
* [9]Pittsburgh PCCs - photos of Pburgh PCC trolleys
* [10]New York City Subway Signals - home signals, light signals,
signs, etc, seen in the subway
* [11]NYC Photo Album (misc. things from around the subway)
completely redone, including new [12]Yard photos
* [13]Subway FAQ - a new subway FAQ incorporating lots of useful
information for subway fans
* [14]Images directories - take a look at images arranged by
category. Thanks to CGI scripts these pages are automatically made
up based on what images are available. Included here are some
miscellaneous things like [15]1964 World's Fair monorail and
[16]Bicentennial Transit (transit vehicles specially painted for
the 1976 Bicentennial.
* Search engine (which can be found on the [17]home page -
WebGlimpse allows searching of our automatically generated pages
including the photo caption database. I've also entered some pages
from other web sites to make it easier for people to find stuff
that's related but that we don't have ourselves. A help file for
WebGlimpse is [18]HERE.
And too many to list-- almost every single section has been redone
with new thumbnail images that should be faster to load and
standardized format thanks to some nifty CGI scripts.
Enjoy!
Dave
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on September 15, 1997 at 08:55:41:
The Association of Railway Museums will be meeting this week in
Portland,
Maine. On Saturday, 20 September, the convention will spend the day
at the Seashore Trolley Museum in Kennebunkport, Maine. The museum is
open that day for the public as well. There will be the "mother of all
trolley parades" at 12:30pm. Included will be around 40 vehicles,
including trolleys, rapid transit, work equipment, and even buses. It
is expected that our R4/R7 "A-Train" (#800/1440) will run, as well as
Third Avenue Railway System #631, representing NYC. Gibbs car #3352
will
be on static display. A highlight of the parade will be a tribute to
the Boston subway system's 100th anniversary.
I hope to see many SubTalkers there!
Todd Glickman
Vice Chairman, Operations Safety & Training Committee
Seashore Trolley Museum
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POSTER>Darrin B.
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Posted by Darrin B. on September 15, 1997 at 09:56:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update Nova buses posted by
Fernando Perez on September 13, 1997 at 23:01:57:
Are these the same kind of NovaBuses that the Niagara Frontier
Transportation Authority got in trouble for getting? In Buffalo here,
the Niagara Frontier Transit Metro System NFTA purchased I believe
about 30 of these buses and has more coming...the NFTA did get into
some hot water, like some other companies, and bought these buses
without having them a certain percantage of American made in it. Just
an amusing thought that even the largest transit agency made the same
mistake...
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 15, 1997 at 12:40:11:
In Reply to: [6]Association of Railway Museums Convention at Seashore
posted by Todd Glickman on September 15, 1997 at 08:55:41:
Todd ...
This sounds GREAT!
I wish it was posted here more in advance - I coulda planned for it
:-(
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 15, 1997 at 13:03:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 4 train yard posted by Allan on September 13, 1997
at 16:24:20:
> ....there is a track leading from the Concourse Yard to the
> Jerome Av line (just south of the Kingsbridge Road station. This is
the
> way some IRT gets down to Coney Island Yard.
I had the opportunity to ride on this trackage yesterday when the Lo-V
Fantrip ended. We took the #4 line to this track into Concourse Yard,
then using B division, we used the D line from Bedford Park Blvd to
Rockefeller Center and then the F line from there to Coney Island.
I heard that this connecting structure is being held up by
cinderblocks?
Is this really true? There was an amazingly loud echo as we slowly
rode
down this structure.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>G to COurt Square (was Re: E,F,G,R on Queens Blvd & 63rd St Connection)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 15, 1997 at 13:19:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: E,F,G,R on Queens Blvd & 63rd St Connection (was:
Re: Manhattan Bridge) posted by buster on September 13, 1997 at
04:33:13:
Isn't NYC Transit planning on discontinuing service on the G north (or
east) of Court Square permanently when the 63rd ST connection starts?
I
*thought* this to be the case.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Fastest Subway system (Bart is NOT lightrail, thank you)
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 15, 1997 at 13:23:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Fastest Subway system (Bart is NOT lightrail,
thank you) posted by Nathan McCartney on September 12, 1997 at
18:51:23:
> A heavy rail train could be made of plastic and saran wrap but if it
is
> carrying over 20000 passengers per hour at high speeds....
This is a great description of the NYC subway in the deferred
maintenence
days of the late 70s and early 80s.
I think the occasional chewing gum was used, too :-))))
--Mark
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 15, 1997 at 13:35:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of buses update Nova buses posted by
Fernando Perez on September 13, 1997 at 23:01:57:
I also like the RTS with the chrome wheels. I like all of these
(8600-9349) because they have the new Detroit Diesel Series 50 engine
which makes them very fast, but I'm partial to the TMC 8600-8700's
because they still have the NYCTA and M logo instead of the newer
MTA/NYCT stuff. I think RTS's look good, but the TA had so many that
it was refreshing to see anything else joining the fleet.
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on September 15, 1997 at 13:46:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of buses update posted by Hank
Eisenstein on September 12, 1997 at 22:12:16:
nyct has also purchased 120 mci buses for use on express routes mainly
on staten island. they should arrive by oct 1998.
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on September 15, 1997 at 13:46:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of buses update posted by Hank
Eisenstein on September 12, 1997 at 22:12:16:
nyct has also purchased 120 mci buses for use on express routes mainly
on staten island. they should arrive by oct 1998.
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POSTER>aaron
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Posted by aaron on September 15, 1997 at 15:40:29:
In Reply to: [6]New Items on the site posted by David Pirmann on
September 15, 1997 at 08:31:20:
David, I like the new items, but I found one mistake. In the Chicago
historical section, picture cta.103.jpg is not a CTA car. I believe it
is
an old Cleveland Car. Please correct, I know you strive for 100
percent
accuracy on the website...
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POSTER>Howard
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Posted by Howard on September 15, 1997 at 16:57:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Philip
Nasadowski on September 14, 1997 at 18:23:31:
They could do that but since the M-1 are used for high-speed, long
distence
travel and since the stations on SIRTOA are so close togther, it would
be a waste of enegry and time.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>IRT models in HO and N scales
DATE>Oct 15 08:38:32 1997
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 15, 1997 at 17:04:50:
This may not be news, but I just noticed in Model Railroader that the
Red Caboose in NYC is advertising N scale brass R29's, and HO scale
plastic R21's and R26's.
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POSTER>Chris
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DATE>Oct 15 08:38:32 1997
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Posted by Chris on September 15, 1997 at 20:41:04:
does anyone have routing details of the new SI to Metro Tech express
buses
Does anyone have a contact telephone number
christof@webtv.net
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 15, 1997 at 23:33:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Philip
Nasadowski on September 14, 1997 at 23:13:03:
The LIRR has some of the MU cars with a blue stripe on the side, and
all of the diesel cars have them Are they eventually going to add this
to the entire fleet, or leave it the way it is?
By the way, concerning interior designs, I don't see the
cream-black-red seats in the LIRR MUs anymore. I suppose they were
replaced with the blue-blue-red (although the diesel cars still have
the former). In the NJT Arrows, I liked the orange-black-orange and
green-blue-green seats in the Arrow II much better than the brown
(ugh!) in the Arrow III and Comet III. Not only is the brown color
ugly, the seats are unforgiving on the ass and the back.
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POSTER>Joe M
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SUBJECT>Re: MPLS PCC CARS??
DATE>Oct 15 08:38:34 1997
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Posted by Joe M on September 15, 1997 at 23:41:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MPLS PCC CARS?? posted by Charlie Bonaire on
September 13, 1997 at 11:05:41:
I have learned that the Mpls PCC cars were canary yellow with forrest
green trim and red oxide roofs. Still no pictures but the scheme would
be about the same as the older car shown at the Hake Harriet Station
at the Minnesota Trasnportation Museum web site. I will let you know
if I find any more. Still lookig for a picture though
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 15, 1997 at 23:43:37:
In Reply to: [6]IRT models in HO and N scales posted by Gary Jacobi on
September 15, 1997 at 17:04:50:
They also have LIRR & MN equipment in both scales but bring your 401k
account - their prices are rediculous.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 15, 1997 at 23:45:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by John on
September 15, 1997 at 23:33:38:
I think you'll find that the Blue Stripe is being removed, not added.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: 4 train yard
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Posted by Steve on September 15, 1997 at 23:48:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 4 train yard posted by Mark S Feinman on September
15, 1997 at 13:03:26:
Nonesense! There are no cinderblocks holding that lead up. It's
strictly concrete and steel.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Metro North Open shops???
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 16, 1997 at 01:17:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metro North Open shops??? posted by Philip
Nasadowski on September 13, 1997 at 23:45:10:
AIEEE!! I mean, thanks for the info 8-). I will check it out when I
head up to GCT.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 16, 1997 at 01:35:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of buses update Nova buses posted by
Wayne Johnson on September 15, 1997 at 13:35:06:
At Amsterdam depot we have 8640-8670 and they are pretty much the same
setup as the 9100's including the wheel chair lifts that are currently
being installed in them cause the orginal lifts had many promblems.
And they have the same type of sterring wheels like the first 8000's.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Manhattan Bridge
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 16, 1997 at 01:38:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 14, 1997 at 15:26:34:
Yes, but in the event they do dig a tunnel to replace the manhattan
bridge, it is unlikely they will put in 4 tunnels. Most likely it will
be 2 tunnels; in which case, the capacity will probably max out at 3
lines. That means 1 line won't be going through the new tunnel. I
picked the Q because the rerouting still allows it to service the
stops north of Rockefeller center, which are difficult for any other
line to serve. Remember, the QB predates 63rd Street tunnel (that's
how long this s**t has been going on!) and resurrecting it could cause
a service reduction on those stops (if the B train were to take over
north of 47th-50th like before, alternating with the 168th St/Wash.
Hgts.) or the elimination of 57th and 6th as a stop.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Where was the Jerome-Anderson station of the 9th Ave El?
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 16, 1997 at 01:53:21:
Recently, I took a little walking trip near Yankee Stadium to look for
the remains of this station. According to Joe Brennan's guide, the
concrete platform foundation is located on Jerome Avenue, at street
level. Yet when I went there, I didn't see anything remotely like an
el station. Rather, the Jerome Ave. side of the ridge was completely
covered by apartment buildings, with one exception: a short, brick
building painted white with rust stains on top, with the roof area
overgrown with vegetation. It was located at 162nd St. and Jerome Ave.
Was this building part of the original el station, or was this a later
construction? And was anyone actually able to see anything interesting
from the 4 train? With the distance and the short amount of time
available after leaving Yankee Stadium, it's virtually impossible to
see anything interesting!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 16, 1997 at 08:22:45:
Today's (9/16) Wall St. Journal has a nice article about the
internecine warfare amongst the nation's trolley museums. The winner
in the 800 lb. gorilla contest??? Seashore. Branford doesn't even get
mentioned.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on September 16, 1997 at 09:15:45:
In Reply to: [6]Where was the Jerome-Anderson station of the 9th Ave
El? posted by Andrew Huie on September 16, 1997 at 01:53:21:
As I recall, the station name was Anderson-Jerome. The El line turned
west from River Ave. just north of 162nd St. The Anderson-Jerome
station was half-elevated half-tunnel. At Jerome Ave., the station was
elevated. The entrance was on ground level (turnstiles, token booth)
on the East side of Jerome Ave (across from the hill). The Anderson
Ave. entrance was also at ground level (somewhat like the entrances
to the N-Sea Beach line in Brooklyn) on the East side of Anderson
Ave.,
and the station was below in a tunnel. The station had a single island
platform between the two tracks.
I have no idea if there is any evidence of the station left, as I
haven't
visited the area in over 30 years.
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SUBJECT>Current Color scheme of R110 Series
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Posted by Nick on September 16, 1997 at 10:06:07:
Does the R110A still have the blue bench seats in it? For the R110B, I
know the seats have both been white and green. Are they still one of
those colors, or did they go to the multicolor scheme found in all the
modern nyc subway cars?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 16, 1997 at 11:55:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IRT models in HO and N scales posted by Steve on
September 15, 1997 at 23:43:37:
As I recall from a purchase about 25 years ago, their prices are
exceeded only by their lousy attitude toward the customer who asks
questions! Most of my purchases since have been mail order; I wonder
why?
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 16, 1997 at 14:43:39:
In Reply to: [5]Trolleys in the Wall Street Journal posted by Charles
Fiori on September 16, 1997 at 08:22:45:
Gee, I didn;t know there was a war going on. Does this make BSM the
Switzerland of street railway museums?
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SUBJECT>Amtrak High Speed Routes
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What is he next planned high speed Amtrak Route? I on a show called
extreme machines that had a special on trains that Amtrak is going to
soon have High Speed rail between Washington DC, NYC, and Boston.
Isn't their already high speed rail between NCY and DC Called the
metroliner?
Anyway, way, what are some high speed routes planned for the future?
When will construction of the next route begin?
If you have any other info, I would be interested!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 16, 1997 at 16:58:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Trolleys in the Wall Street Journal posted by Dan
Lawrence on September 16, 1997 at 14:43:39:
Read the article. It is a war because all these museums are fighting
for the same cars to add to their already bloated collections. BTW --
What's BSM?????
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 16, 1997 at 17:00:32:
In Reply to: [5]Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by BJ on September 16,
1997 at 16:47:47:
That Extreme Machines piece is a couple of years or more old.
Something beyond Metroliners was being planned, but I haven't heard
much about it this year, what with Amtrak funds being fought over in
Congress.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 16, 1997 at 17:22:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by Gary Jacobi on
September 16, 1997 at 17:00:32:
Check the FRA website; I just did and it has info circia May 1996.
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POSTER>Philip nasadowski
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Posted by Philip nasadowski on September 16, 1997 at 18:03:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by John on
September 15, 1997 at 23:33:38:
The award for worst interior scheme goes to either Septic, for their
MU interior treatment, or NJT for their new (Bombardier?) cars. That
blue seat/ pink end walls and canned station announcements is enough
to make one kill themself... NJT also has by far the most
uncomfortable seats. I've found Metro Norths to be the beast, with the
LIRR MU's being second. The diesel seats seems to smell and stick to
you though :/
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Posted by BJ on September 16, 1997 at 19:00:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by Gary Jacobi on
September 16, 1997 at 17:22:50:
What is the FRA's internet site address????
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In Reply to: [5]What is FRA's address? (Was Re: Amtrak High Speed
Routes) posted by BJ on September 16, 1997 at 19:00:44:
www.fra.dot.gov
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Posted by John on September 16, 1997 at 19:52:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Philip
nasadowski on September 16, 1997 at 18:03:14:
That's right - I forgot about SEPTA. The insides look like rows of
ketchup and mustard stains! (The seats are yellow-red-yellow, or
something like that).
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 16, 1997 at 19:56:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Staten Island Connection posted by Hank Eisenstein
on September 12, 1997 at 22:05:10:
How about this: A service similer to the one mentioned above that
branches off of the BMT near Whitehall Street, goes under New York
Bay, with stops at Liberty Island, Ellis Island, the CNJRR station in
Liberty State Park, through downtown Bayonne, under (or over) the Kill
Van Kull (or is it the Arthur Kill?) to Staten Island, eventually
joining the SIRT. Branches off of this service could go directly to
Newark Airport and/or downtown Elizabeth, making a route similar to
the proposed Newark Subway extension.
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Posted by Steve on September 16, 1997 at 21:22:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 4 train yard posted by Mark S Feinman on September
15, 1997 at 13:03:26:
I stand by my original statement that the lead form the #4 line into
Concourse Yard is perfectly sound, with no cinderblock supports.
However, perhaps you have confused two pieces of information. The
automobile bridges, which span Concourse Yard, are in dreadful shape.
Both, the Bedford park Blvd. bridge (closed to auto traffic) and the
205th Street overpass are in such poor shape that they are propped up
with timbers, tempory girders and concrete blocks. The two bridges are
currently being rebuilt over the next 2 years.
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Posted by Ted on September 16, 1997 at 21:29:24:
In Reply to: [6]Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by BJ on September 16,
1997 at 16:47:47:
Amtrak plans to introduce the "American Flyer" ( similiar to the
French
high-speed TGV ) in 1999 on the NEC. The trains will reach a max.
speed
of 150 MPH ( 241 Km/h ) on some sections. There are also plans for a
high-speed rail network in Florida ( bet. Miami , Orlando and Tampa ).
I
don't know the completion date for that system. The trains on that
network
will reach a max. speed of 186 MPH ( 300 Km/h ). For more info , look
at the TGV page on the European Railway Server ( there's a section on
American TGVs ) : http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/home.html
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Posted by aaron on September 17, 1997 at 10:26:59:
I saw on a southbound #9 train this morning, a green 9 on the side of
one
of the cars as opposed to a red 9. Was there 9 service planned for the
Lex at some point?
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on September 17, 1997 at 11:51:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT models in HO and N scales posted by Gary
Jacobi on September 16, 1997 at 11:55:02:
My experiences with the Red Caboose have been nothing short of
terrible!
They often charge usuary fees for incorrectly or poorly painted brass
models, or offer for sale as new, damaged or "shop worn" models. My
advice to all subway modelers is to avoid this place like the plague!
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 17, 1997 at 12:06:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Trolleys in the Wall Street Journal posted by
Charles Fiori on September 16, 1997 at 16:58:08:
BSM is the Baltimore Streetcar Museum. Also, there is a slight error
in the article: car 5748 (a 1918 Brill SemiConvertible) was acquired
by Seashore in 1957 because at that time the Baltimore collection
(controlled by the Maryland Historical Society) was being shifted from
car house to car house and there was no room for 5748 where the
collection was being moved to. Since the car would have been scrapped
otherwise, it was offered to Seashore. It was not "stolen" from
Baltimore. Just for the record, BSM was not in existance in 1957, we
were not incorporated until 1966.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 17, 1997 at 12:56:07:
In Reply to: [6]red signs, green signs posted by aaron on September
17, 1997 at 10:26:59:
I've never heard anything about 9 service on the Lexington line. As
far as I know, the 9 has never been anything except a rush-hour
variant of the 1.
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POSTER>Brian
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Posted by Brian on September 17, 1997 at 13:13:55:
In Reply to: [6]Correction about Cinderblock Supports posted by Steve
on September 16, 1997 at 21:22:35:
Are they both going to be closed at the same time? I hope not. I need
to cross one of those bridges to get to school from the Bedford Park
Boulevard 4 station (I go to Bronx Science)
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Posted by Stan on September 17, 1997 at 13:14:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: red signs, green signs posted by Peter Rosa on
September 17, 1997 at 12:56:07:
Just a thought... could it have been the #6 not rolled correctly
so that it appeared as a 9??
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POSTER>Philip nasadowski
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Posted by Philip nasadowski on September 17, 1997 at 13:22:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by Ted on
September 16, 1997 at 21:29:24:
150 top speed??? Give me a break!!! The origional Metroliner MU's (?)
were supposed to do that - back in the 1960's. Although the tilt-
train concept looks really sexy, I don't know of any high speed system
in use that has it - and is sucessful.
AFIK - the TGV doesn't tilt at all - the cars on it are also
articulated BTW.
If it wasn't costing so much taxpayer money, Amtrak's latest attempt
at high speed rail would be even funnier. Don't get me wrong, I think
it's a great idea, but do it the way the French did: build a
dedicated, carefully engineered line for it. The mixture of Highspeed
/ Low speed traffic on the NEC is going to be problematic, the faster
trains will probbalby stress the power grid, there are a ton of ageing
bridges in CT, and I don't think the signal system ANYWHERE on those
lines is up to it. Add to that all the switches, etc...
In short - it's not going to work, and it's not going to be here in
1999.
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Posted by Phil Nasadowski on September 17, 1997 at 13:24:32:
Does anyone know when / if the LIRR is getting its new dual mode
fleet? I heard a mention of it a few years back, and I knoe GM is
building a new plant for them, but I haven't heard anything lately
about it. Did it die of budget cuts?? Is it delayed?? Am I still going
to be riding the same Eisenhower era "Rustliners" into the year 2000??
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Posted by Charles on September 17, 1997 at 14:39:33:
In Reply to: [5]New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Phil Nasadowski on
September 17, 1997 at 13:24:32:
I am not very familiar with commuter railroad equipment, but I saw a
picture and the design for the Locomotive in Railway Age last month.
They will look similar to the Loco's that Amtrak is using in
California. The only difference is the what i believe to be lousy blue
and yellow scheme.
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Posted by aaron on September 17, 1997 at 16:48:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Charles on
September 17, 1997 at 14:39:33:
There is at least one train set running w/two dual mode diesel
locomotives
at each end. The train consists of 9 or 10 double-deck coaches.
However,
there have been serious problems with the units, causing them to be
out of
service about 20 percent of the time. I believe there is a big problem
with the trains and the LIRR has been covering up for the past six
months.
This subject was discussed on this website a few months ago.
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Posted by aaron on September 17, 1997 at 16:54:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT models in HO and N scales posted by Frank
Gatazka on September 17, 1997 at 11:51:35:
Disagree, their MARKLIN stuff is quite good and priced appropriately.
The two guys who run the place, Alan and Ralph are a little bit weird,
but
if you chat with them, they know their stuff. Ralph helped me with a
pilot
system for my MARKLIN set that the MARKLIN dealer in Mineola Long
Island had no clue how to set up. As long as you are careful, and
understand the
equipment, you should be okay. Any experienced model railroader should
be able to recognize damaged or "shop worn" models.
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Posted by ~airplane on September 17, 1997 at 17:16:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Staten Island Connection posted by John on
September 16, 1997 at 19:56:33:
Assuming that the MTA could come up with the enormous amount of
capital necessary for this project, does NYCT have the authority to
run trains through New Jersey? Wouldn't the Port Authority throw a
fit?
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 17, 1997 at 17:18:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Charles on
September 17, 1997 at 14:39:33:
You saw a picture of the so-called California locomotive, which is
being supplied in several paint schemes. Check out
www.dot.ca.gov/hq/rail for more info.
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Posted by Timothy on September 17, 1997 at 17:42:28:
Can anyone tell me if there ever has been, or will be HO scale models
of
MU commuter rail cars, such as the Budd and GE Silverliners used by
SEPTA,
and NJT? I know that Walthers have a series of the newer Horizon
push-pull
commuter cars available with SEPTA, NJT, and Metro-North markings, but
I've
never seen models of MU Silverliners, many of which are identified by
their oval or capsule shaped side windows. If there are MU cars
available
in HO, or even N scale, Can anyone tell me where I would most likely
find
them? Thanks.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 17, 1997 at 17:49:23:
In Reply to: [6]New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Phil Nasadowski on
September 17, 1997 at 13:24:32:
Actually,there is one already on the property.I believe it was
delivered in July but its not there now because its undergoing tests
out west somewhere.The Super Steel/GM locomotives are very nice
looking.They are corugated silver on sides and blue cab and yellow
front.It looks more like it should be operating in Great Britain
somewere...but dont get the wrong idea..its a great looking loco and
will look and do very good on the LIRR.
This months Railpace Newsmagazine has a picture and short article on
it.
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Posted by John on September 17, 1997 at 18:02:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Staten Island Connection posted by ~airplane on
September 17, 1997 at 17:16:03:
The MTA could do the same thing they do with the Metro-North New Haven
Line: form a contract with the DoT of the other state (in this case,
obviously, it would be New Jersey, rather than Connecticut).
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 17, 1997 at 18:58:53:
I was just wondering...
Can any of the SUBTALK writers recommend books on the history of the
LIRR... I want to inquire about the Bay Ridge, Rockaway, and
Sheepshead Bay (?) branches... Also, are there any stations in either
Brooklyn or Queens that have been closed down by the LIRR... I enjoy
looking up the history of the transportation services in the Metro NY
area...
Thanking in advance,
Daniel Valles,
Student -- Pace U.
P.S. -- If you can advise me of any maps as well, I'll appreciate
it...
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 17, 1997 at 19:04:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Staten Island Connection posted by John on
September 17, 1997 at 18:02:59:
A contract could be formed, but there is an ample ammount of friction
that exist between the NYCTA and the Port Authority of New York & New
Jersey... I am all in favor of it, but until some issues get resolved
(i.e. the $1 fare of PATH vs. the $1.50 fare of NYCTA services), then
it is all what I previously said in my opening letter: A lot of
wishful thinking...
-- Danny Valles
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 17, 1997 at 19:14:09:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR -- In the past... posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 17, 1997 at 18:58:53:
I have several interesting books on the subject, which I will pull out
tonight to make sure of the titles. The one that comes closest to your
request is probably out of print; it is called something like "The
Diary of an Apprentice Railroad Engineer " I picked it up at a book
sale, and almost did not realize it was about the LIRR.
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POSTER>Allan
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Posted by Allan on September 17, 1997 at 20:33:55:
In Reply to: [6]red signs, green signs posted by aaron on September
17, 1997 at 10:26:59:
I would say that when the sign roll was installed, it was put in in
reverse (or upside down if you prefer).
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Posted by Jeff on September 17, 1997 at 21:21:33:
In Reply to: [5]red signs, green signs posted by aaron on September
17, 1997 at 10:26:59:
The numbers system is really weird. I remember seeing a sign on a 6
train at Brooklyn Bridge that had a white #10 on a green circle. Go
figure! I think that the number rolls probably go from 1-10 red,1-10
green and 1-10 purple because those are the only IRT colors.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 17, 1997 at 21:59:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trolleys in the Wall Street Journal posted by Dan
Lawrence on September 17, 1997 at 12:06:57:
Bloated? With all the trolley cars destroyed thanks to GMC I dont ever
think that there would be enough of these pieces of history saved.
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Posted by Steve on September 17, 1997 at 22:24:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Correction about Cinderblock Supports posted by
Brian on September 17, 1997 at 13:13:55:
Common sense would have dictated that the Bedford Park Bridge, which
has been closed to auto traffic for many years, be torn down and
replaced before work began on the 205th Street bridge had begun. Ah
but in NYC, politics reigns supreme and so both bridges will be
closed, 1 side at a time, and will be rebuilt simultaneously. Neither
bridge will be totally closed for any significant period of time and
your education should go uninterrupted.
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Posted by Steve on September 17, 1997 at 22:29:38:
In Reply to: [6]New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Phil Nasadowski on
September 17, 1997 at 13:24:32:
According to a LIRR Engineer friend of mine, the first new dual mode
loco has been delivered and is undergoing testing in Colorado.
Another bit of news: According to the same person, once the new
Bi-levels are delivered, the current Bi-level train, with Dual Power
FL-9AC locos #300 and 302, will be transferred to service on
Metro-North
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Posted by Steve on September 17, 1997 at 22:36:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by aaron on September
17, 1997 at 16:48:02:
The Bi-Level train is out of service about 10% of the time. The
problems have been well documented. However, I've heard that the
similar units on Metro-North have had more serious problems which have
not been documented. Supposedly, the trains operate into Grand Central
in 'D' (Diesel) mode rather than 'E' mode, on a regular basis.....
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Posted by John Pevcevicius on September 17, 1997 at 23:17:40:
I'm looking for some pictures or training manual diagrams of the power
and brake controls for subways all over North America because in
Toronto we have just received a new model called the 'T1' and it is
causing most of the operators pain in their arms, hands, wrists and
shoulders because of the new design of the safety controller (power &
brake).
The Toronto Transit Commission is claiming that their are other cities
with the same kind of controls as ours but we have yet to find any
similar to ours.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on September 17, 1997 at 23:58:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Association of Railway Museums Convention at
Seashore posted by Mark S Feinman on September 15, 1997 at 12:40:11:
You can subscribe to the Association of Railway Museums (ARM)
newsletter which details events. I do not have the address here maybe
someone else knows it. They talked about this avent a bit, and will
notify you of the next meeting.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 18, 1997 at 01:04:40:
In Reply to: [6]Bi-Level fleet troubles posted by Steve on September
17, 1997 at 22:36:19:
All the problems are due to the FL-9's. They're late 50's vintage, and
I believe they didn't work right back them. MN also pulls their
Genises (Sp?) IIs into GCT under diesel too...
Actually, I've never seen either of them in electric mode. I tend to
think that Diesel operation in their is routine right now. The last
FL-9 I saw the other week was running its diesel. All origional inside
too. Nicew things is that these locos have windows on the sides, and
you can see what's inside them. The engineer was checking something in
their and let me poke my head in (but not enter for obvious reasons)
the door. They still have their steam generators in them too, or at
least this one did. The rear one was modified for HEP. He said that
Metro North is canning them in another year or so as more of the GE
locos come online. I don't know why the GE ones run diesel into GCT,
and I think it's more third rail related than defects in the
locomotive, saying that I've seen plenty of Amtrak ones go into and
out of Penn under third rail - they really spark and arc though....
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POSTER>Phil Nasadowski
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Posted by Phil Nasadowski on September 18, 1997 at 01:32:51:
In Reply to: [6]Safety Controller on NYC subways and others posted by
John Pevcevicius on September 17, 1997 at 23:17:40:
Describe it for us?? The NY subways are mostly 2 handle jobs (power to
the left, brake to the right). Looks much like the drum controller on
a trolley. Septa uses Cineston (?) single handle jobs. Patco is slide
handle. NJT Mus have 2 handle controllers, but the power one is a
vertical lever you turn to the right for forward and left for reverse.
I think the MP-54s were like that too. The M-1/2/3/4/6's are single
handle controllers, like a cineston. Not sure what the T or CTA.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 18, 1997 at 07:08:24:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR -- In the past... posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 17, 1997 at 18:58:53:
There was a series of books by Vincent Seyfried, very few of which are
still in print. I bought two of the volumes some years back. Check the
many book ads in "Trains", etc. or head to everyone's favorite train
shop on 45th Street. They have a good selection of older RR books.
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on September 18, 1997 at 07:31:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT models in HO and N scales posted by aaron on
September 17, 1997 at 16:54:03:
I'm glad to hear that The Red Caboose is good at SOMETHING! My
comments were specific to NYC subway/elevated models, and were based
on the personal experiences of others and myself. The "shop worn"
models were purchased via mail order, so no inspection could be made
prior to the sale. In any business, there is good and bad. It appears
that I have been on the receiving end of the bad, while you have had
good experiences.
With many hobby shops and mail order firms competing for our hard
earned hobby dollars, it only makes sense to do business with those
that offer WORLD CLASS SERVICE. I still stand behind my earlier
commments regarding the Red Caboose for what they are worth.
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on September 18, 1997 at 09:17:57:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR -- In the past... posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 17, 1997 at 18:58:53:
Try these:
1) "Long Island Rail Road Memories," Richard Harrison
2) "Steel Rails to the Sunrise," Ron Ziel and George Foster
3) "Long Island Rail Road in Early Photographs," Ron Ziel
4) "Victorian Railroad Stations of Long Island," Ron Ziel and Richard
Wettereau
For Rockaway, check out "Change at Ozone Park, " by Herbert George.
You might also find some information in "The Pennsy Era on Long
Island," by Ron Ziel.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 18, 1997 at 09:23:49:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR -- In the past... posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 17, 1997 at 18:58:53:
Several Brooklyn and Queens LIRR stations have indeed been shut down
over the years. Some of these happened years ago when the subways came
to Queens. Others were more recent, when the LIRR began reducing its
local service in the area.
Some of the closed stations include: Woodhaven (Flatbush Avenue
branch, the only underground one on the list); Union Hall and
Bell-Aire (main line), Winfield and Rego Park (near the Pt. Washington
junction), and Springfield Gardens (Babylon branch). There are others
as well, such as those on the former Whitestone branch, but I don't
have their names.
In addition, several stations on the line to Long Island City will be
gone soon.
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Posted by chris on September 18, 1997 at 10:56:15:
are there any other sites that list bus route changes,,service
changes,schedules besides this one
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 18, 1997 at 12:05:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IRT models in HO and N scales posted by Frank
Gatazka on September 18, 1997 at 07:31:22:
Amen to that, Frank. And one more semi-nice thing to say about Mail
Order Model Railroad Houses: None can even compete with NYC Camera
Shops when it comes to lousy treatment of the customer, and since they
usually have the best prices and selection, you are FORCED to do
business with them.
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Posted by Timothy on September 18, 1997 at 12:59:43:
I will be in Chicago this weekend (9/20-9/23), to ride and photograph
the
"L" and subway system. As of now, I don't know anyone in the Chicago
area,
who could show me around. Would it be possible to make arrangements
with
someone in Subtalk, who is from the Chicago area to meet me, and give
me
the "grand tour" of the "L"? Also, there are a couple of lines I want
to
photograph that go through questionable neighborhoods. Two lines in
particular are the Lake Street, and the 63/Cottage Grove (Jackson
Park)
Lines. I would very much like to have someone accompany me when I
photograph the stations, and El structures along these lines. I really
hope
someone can help me. Thanks.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 18, 1997 at 13:13:10:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Transit Bus Schedules questions posted by chris on
September 18, 1997 at 10:56:15:
This site doesn't list any of that stuff. You can get to it via links
from here but we don't technically "have it on our site".
See the MTA New York City Transit site at [7]www.mta.nyc.ny.us for
that stuff. You might find unofficial schedules pages elsewhere but
the MTA site carries the straight poop on the matter.
--Dave
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 18, 1997 at 13:26:54:
A couple of nights ago on the History Channel,they had a show about
trains. On this show they briefly mentioned the London Underground as
the "first subway system" Although I realize this an established fact,
I know that they started out with steam locos(!). This got me mulling
over transit history; it really occured to me that one could make the
claim that the original Belmont subway could really be called the
first REAL subway in at least the US, if not the world!!! But first a
few caveats: By subway i mean a rapid transit system that was not an
extension of existing trolley or el lines (cf: Boston,and afew
others),and I mean rapid transit: I hardly consider steam power
"rapid", especially underground. Even elecric locos aren't as quick as
MU control. So heres my claim-Lets here all the arguments pro & con;
especially with the centennial coming soon!!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 18, 1997 at 13:44:02:
In Reply to: [5]A very Outrageous Claim! posted by Lou from Middletown
on September 18, 1997 at 13:26:54:
Did you mean to say Belmont, or were you thinking of the Beach
Pneumatic Subway? The Beach has a reasonable claim, since they did
collect fares for a while, and who is to say if it really went
anywhere or not!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 18, 1997 at 15:42:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by Peter Rosa on
September 18, 1997 at 09:23:49:
Don't forget Elmhurst on the Port Wash branch
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 18, 1997 at 16:35:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by Charles Fiori on
September 18, 1997 at 15:42:19:
[re abandoned Queens LIRR stations]
>don't forget Elmhurst on the Pt. Wash branch
Thanks for reminding me. I've heard that Elmhurst, as well as Rego
Park and maybe Winfield, was closed after subway expansion made it
redundant. Most of the other Queens station closures resulted from
ridership declines or line abandonments.
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Posted by Joshua Trower on September 18, 1997 at 23:07:42:
On what lines and trains are Septa using AEM-7's?
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Posted by follower on September 19, 1997 at 00:18:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Bryan Layne on
September 17, 1997 at 17:49:23:
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Posted by follower on September 19, 1997 at 00:24:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Bryan Layne on
September 17, 1997 at 17:49:23:
I am glad to know that the LIRR has spent money on these new
locomotives. They sound like their beautiful looking machines. It
seems odd to me though that even though the machines are great
looking, why in the world does the LIRR need them. With the majority
of their fleet electric, the new training for LIRR personnell, may
cost more than the new fleet of locomotives themself. I just ask the
old age question to you train buff brother, why mess with a good
thing?
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Posted by sean on September 19, 1997 at 00:25:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Bryan Layne on
September 17, 1997 at 17:49:23:
I am glad to know that the LIRR has spent money on these new
locomotives. They sound like their beautiful looking machines. It
seems odd to me though that even though the machines are great
looking, why in the world does the LIRR need them. With the majority
of their fleet electric, the new training for LIRR personnell, may
cost more than the new fleet of locomotives themself. I just ask the
old age question to you train buff brother, why mess with a good
thing?
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POSTER>Dan
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Posted by Dan on September 19, 1997 at 08:14:04:
In Reply to: [6]Academy Staten Island Metr Tech Exp posted by Chris on
September 15, 1997 at 20:41:04:
According to the story in the S.I. Advance, the bus service will be
limited to persons working at MetroTech. Tickets will only be sold to
persons employed there.
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POSTER>Michael S. Buglak
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on September 19, 1997 at 08:24:40:
In Reply to: [6]septa posted by Joshua Trower on September 18, 1997 at
23:07:42:
SEPTA mostly uses its AEM-7s on the R5 Paoli-Downingtown (Ex-PRR Main
Line) peak hour expresses & limiteds. I believe that they also are
used on a couple of peak-hour trips on the R7 Trenton (NE
Corridor)line.
If you read Railpace, the column "SEPTA Scene" usually gives a
breakdown of the current assignments for the AEM-7s with each SEPTA
schedule change.
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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Posted by aaron on September 19, 1997 at 08:52:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by Peter Rosa on
September 18, 1997 at 16:35:14:
You forgot Spring Garden, near St. Albans
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POSTER>Dan
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Posted by Dan on September 19, 1997 at 08:53:13:
In Reply to: [6]Staten Island Connection posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 12, 1997 at 14:20:27:
The western portion of the SIR North Shore line is being refurbished
for freight use at this time, as is the lift bridge over the Arthur
Kill. BUT, until someone finds about $2 Billion dollars laying around,
you can forget about any 'Staten Island connection' to anywhere. Most
Staten Islanders do not favor a direct rail connection to NYC or NJ
because it would be a money-loser.
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Posted by aaron on September 19, 1997 at 08:54:20:
In Reply to: [6]Bi-Level fleet troubles posted by Steve on September
17, 1997 at 22:36:19:
It was out today, so that is once this week, or 20 percent
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Posted by Dave on September 19, 1997 at 09:06:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by sean on September
19, 1997 at 00:25:42:
With several branches still "dieselized" (Port Jeff, Greenport,
Montauk) and the GP-38's and MP15's not getting any younger (let's not
even talk about the power pack units!), it's time for new motive
power. It will be years, if ever, before these branches are
electrified.
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Posted by aaron on September 19, 1997 at 10:05:10:
Big British Rail Passenger/Freight train crash today. See CNN
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 19, 1997 at 10:18:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by follower on
September 19, 1997 at 00:24:36:
Because with a substation each mile, $1,000,000+ a car, and let's not
even mention LILCO, it's still is viewed that electrification is way
too expensive. If the LIRR even bothers to finish off any line, Port
Jeff will probbly be it. Then Montauk. I don't think GreenPort will
ever get it, and Oyster Bay will be long gone by the time the LIRR
starts think electric again.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 19, 1997 at 11:04:28:
In Reply to: [5]Safety Controller on NYC subways and others posted by
John Pevcevicius on September 17, 1997 at 23:17:40:
I can remember that the Chief Motorman Instructor at the NYCTA back in
the early 80s was bascially against the single-handle Cineston-type
controllers because he did not want his motormen then (no women at
that time) to become dependent on only using one hand. The R46s in NY
had single handles, as did the R44s, which were of the slide variety.
They had to be twisted to either a 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock position to
activate, with power settings up and brake down. These slides were
replaced with very clunky Cineston types. Here in Chicago, I believe
most of the controllers on current equipment are of the slide variety.
Older cars did have the clunky Cineston variety, I believe. I keep
saying 'clunky' because it seems the ones on the M1s, 2s, 3s, etc. are
a bit sleeker and smaller.
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Posted by Joshua Trower on September 19, 1997 at 15:09:09:
Has any body heard about the new electrics and Bi-Level cars for Marc?
Also, has anybody seen the Genesis units in the new paint scheme? I
saw #105 in the new scheme at 30th Street Station.
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Posted by ~airplane on September 19, 1997 at 16:11:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on September 19, 1997 at 10:18:23:
Also, let's not forget how much more reliable diesel locomotives have
been in the wintertime, especially in the last few years. The
blizzards in '93 and '96 crippled MNR and LIRR's entire electric
fleet, and there weren't enough cars left to sustain anything close to
normal service.
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Posted by Nathan on September 19, 1997 at 16:35:01:
In Reply to: [5]British Rail Crash posted by aaron on September 19,
1997 at 10:05:10:
What property?? (Virgin, GNER, Networker...etc?)
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Posted by Nathan on September 19, 1997 at 16:44:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by Ted on
September 16, 1997 at 21:29:24:
Florida Overland eXpress (FOX) Is a planned route, regarding the
Metroliners, while, they were a flop and ugly as hell too. I heard the
American flyer will be another joint TGV project built by Bombardier
and
GEC Alsthom. I do not see why the speeds on the American Flyer will
only be kept at 150mph, seeing as a TGV Atlantique set set the speed
record at 513.7km/h during a test...
After Florida Overland eXpress another line considered for High Speed
rail is the Vancouver (Can)-Seattle-Portland line, currently using
Spanish built tilting TALGO Pendular stock, powered by aging F-40s.
TALGO stock is capable of 200km/h service speed (On Spanish tracks)
but the problem lies in replacing the F-40's with a low slung loco,
such as VIA's LRC...
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POSTER>Bob A
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Posted by Bob A on September 19, 1997 at 18:44:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by aaron on
September 19, 1997 at 08:52:43:
That's Springfield Gardens.
Also Woodhaven Blvd between Jamaica and East New York. And there was
an old Hillside station, west of the current Hillside Facility.
Portions of the old platform are still visible on the Main Line just
east of the split from the Babylon branch.
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POSTER>Matt
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Posted by Matt on September 19, 1997 at 21:49:58:
In Reply to: [6]Commuter Rail Car Models (SEPTA, PRR, NJT) posted by
Timothy on September 17, 1997 at 17:42:28:
Imperial Hobby Images has plans to build HO scale models of the Arrow
I MU cars. However, these are quite different than the Arrow II/III
and Silverliner IV cars (especially the windows). Hopefully, there
will be Arrow III models around soon (preferably in O scale, but if
necessary HO). If anyone is interested in custom-building models of
these cars, please e-mail me. Thanks.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 19, 1997 at 22:04:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on September 19, 1997 at 10:18:23:
>I don't think Greenport will ever get it [electrification], and
Oyster
>Bay will be long gone by the time the LIRR starts to think electric
again
Aren't these supposed to be the other way around? There have been
discussions about ending service on the Greenport branch, but not
Oyster Bay.
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POSTER>Matt
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Posted by Matt on September 19, 1997 at 22:06:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT models in HO and N scales posted by Gary
Jacobi on September 18, 1997 at 12:05:22:
I join the others in my arguement that The Red Caboose is perhaps the
worst model train store in the region. I strongly suggest that people
deal directly with the companies or find another hobby shop. My
statement is based on my own personal experience as well as those of
other subway model collectors. "Honest" Al (the name is ironic) is not
trustworthy or friendly.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on September 19, 1997 at 22:09:28:
In Reply to: [6]Safety Controller on NYC subways and others posted by
John Pevcevicius on September 17, 1997 at 23:17:40:
When I was younger, I can vaguely remember seeing a Westcode type of
controller in a r42 cab I was peeking into as it sat at a station.
Does anyone know how many r42's were fitted with the single type of
controller?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 19, 1997 at 22:09:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New LIRR Diesels???? posted by sean on September
19, 1997 at 00:25:42:
The LIRR needs diesel locomotives (and diesel-pulled coaches) because
significant parts of its routes are non-electrified. These include:
The entire Oyster Bay line.
The Montauk line east of Babylon.
The Pt. Jefferson line east of Huntington.
The main line to Greenport, east of Ronkonkoma.
The lines to Hunterspoint Avenue and Long Island City.
The Central Branch cutoff between Bethpage and Babylon.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 20, 1997 at 01:42:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Safety Controller on NYC subways and others(r42?)
posted by Fernando Perez on September 19, 1997 at 22:09:28:
There were 10 R-42s equiped with this master controller. They were
assigned to the B line during the testing period
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POSTER>John Downing
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Posted by John Downing on September 20, 1997 at 12:47:48:
I will be visiting NYC for the weekend Sept.26-28. Can anyone email me
the location of the Subway Museum and any info on tours or special
events that weekend?
TIA
John
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 20, 1997 at 16:21:24:
In Reply to: [6]N.Y.C.Visit posted by John Downing on September 20,
1997 at 12:47:48:
The Transit Museum is located in Downtown Brooklyn, where the old
Court Street station used to be... It is on Boerum Place and
Schermerhorn Street (I believe)... They are open every day except
Sunday and one day during the week (Monday or Tuesday)... It is open
from 10 AM to 4 PM... I went there three weeks ago... ABSOLUTELY
FABULOUS! Call up the MTA... Or go on-line and look up there web
page... You can get info from there...
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POSTER>David Eerdmans
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Posted by David Eerdmans on September 20, 1997 at 16:22:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by Philip
nasadowski on September 17, 1997 at 13:22:04:
It's true that the TGV doesn't tilt (though a tilting TGV is planned).
The American Flyer also isn't a TGV, but it uses some TGV concepts.
It's true that tilting trains on normal rails cause some problems, but
otherwise they had to built a high-speed line, which is very
expensive.
There are some tilting trains projects that are a great succes: the
Eurostar Italia or Pendolino in Italy, and the X2000 in Sweden.
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Posted by David L. on September 20, 1997 at 17:05:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: N.Y.C.Visit posted by Daniel A. Valles on
September 20, 1997 at 16:21:24:
They are open Tuesdays through Fridays, 10 AM to 4 PM, and Saturdays
and Sundays, 12 noon to 5 PM. They are closed on Mondays.
The address to the Transit Museum Web Page is:
[6]http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/Museum/musmain.htm
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Posted by zygot on September 20, 1997 at 20:10:08:
what is the highest number R-unit currently in service?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 20, 1997 at 21:03:21:
In Reply to: [5]R-units posted by zygot on September 20, 1997 at
20:10:08:
R-110.
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Posted by Ted on September 20, 1997 at 22:34:41:
I have a couple of questions about the LIRR / Metro-North MUs :
- Who built them ?
- How long is a MU car ?
thanks.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 20, 1997 at 23:18:16:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR / Metro-North MUs posted by Ted on September 20,
1997 at 22:34:41:
Ok..the M-1's and 3's are built by Budd, and are pieces of crap.
the 2's are by GE and are old, but pretty good still (IMHO)
the 3's are built by some Japanese company, and are REALLY crappy -
you feel like a bingo ball in them. I also notice a low volume 60
cycle hum under acelleration in these cars...
the 6's are built by MK, and ride nice. IMHO their the best stuff on
either system.
I think they are all ~80 foot cars.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 20, 1997 at 23:21:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by John on September 20, 1997 at
21:03:21:
No, actually there are R-127 units. There are 10 such units in the
system. They are work motors and look like 62's with only 1 set of
side doors and no windows. Better you don't know how much they
cost.....
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POSTER>Anthony Thomasel
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Posted by Anthony Thomasel on September 21, 1997 at 00:32:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by Philip Nasadowski on September
20, 1997 at 23:21:27:
Actually, the system is up to R143 (known as the R131 or R110B), as
the purchase contract was made for the New Tech cars (r142 and R143).
Regarding the R142, anyone go to that "demo" of the R142 way back when
at Transit Central in Brooklyn?
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Posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at 01:07:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by Anthony Thomasel on September
21, 1997 at 00:32:37:
The question was "Currently in service". The R-142 & R-143 do not
exixt yet, therefore, they can not be in service.
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Posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at 01:11:06:
In Reply to: [6]R-units posted by zygot on September 20, 1997 at
20:10:08:
There are actually a few units designated as R-134s. They are work
motors similar to the R-127s but I would have to believe that even
they are not the highest R number around. The new vacuum train would
be higher although I do not have that number right now (and
technically, it's in testing and not in service). However, if you are
asking about revenus vehicles, then it would be the R-110s.
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Posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at 01:17:46:
In Reply to: [6]Safety Controller on NYC subways and others posted by
John Pevcevicius on September 17, 1997 at 23:17:40:
Elsewhere on this site, I have a picture posted of the R-110b Master
Controller handle. This is, by far, the most uncomfortable master
controller handle I have ever felt. This includes the old R-44/R46
slide controller as well as the R-44/R-46 currently used master
controllers.
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Posted by subway-buff on September 21, 1997 at 05:56:53:
I noticed that the tracks on both levels go further East than the
station.
What is beyond the station. Was this intended for a future/unfinished
extension,if so to where.. I know the exisiting levels do not meet.
Would there have been a connection further East.
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on September 21, 1997 at 10:01:44:
In Reply to: [6]Jamaica Center Tracks posted by subway-buff on
September 21, 1997 at 05:56:53:
The tracks go farther east than the station to provide layup space. I
don't really know if an extension was ever in the works. As for a
track connection between the two levels, this would probably be only
used by work trains since the J-Z uses different cars than the E uses.
A minimal usage of such a connection probably didn't justifiy the
expense of building one.
JC
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 21, 1997 at 11:27:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jamaica Center Tracks posted by Joshua Caesar on
September 21, 1997 at 10:01:44:
Yes, the E and the J/Z use different car -types- but they are
functionally and size-wise identical (both IND 60 footers). They can
even run together in a train. Future assignments might put (for
instance) 75' cars on the E and the next fleet of IND cars (67') on
the J/Z but even still they could both run in any new IND subway
construction.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on September 21, 1997 at 11:33:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by Philip
nasadowski on September 17, 1997 at 13:22:04:
Some of you have a lot of misinformation on this project.
Why only 150 mph?
1) Too many sharp curves. This speed will be obtained only between
Trenton and New Brunswick, and in Rhode Island and maybe Massachesetts
north of Attleboro.
2) Old Catenary lines must be replaced by constant tensioning system
to allow this.
3) Going incrementally faster than this is not worth the investment.
The money is better spent bringing a 80 mph slow order up to 110 mph.
Where is all the money going?
1) More concrete ties everywhere. If you bother to go and look, you'll
notice the concrete ties are being placed on nearly every rehabbed
section.
2) New high speed turnouts - the new ones are good for 80 mph, the old
ones were for no more than 45 mph.
3) A new Penn Station - you ever heard of ANYTHING cheap in New York?
4) Interlocking redesigns - although most have now been reconfigured,
there are still some major ones being pondered, including Shell in New
Rochelle and Zoo, in Philadelphia.
5) Extending CTEC (Centralized Traffic and Electrification Control).
In case you hadn't noticed, Amtrak has closed almost all of its towers
and has rebuilt the entire signal system - it is now using color
position lights, for example.
6) Upgrading track. The 110 mph and 125 mph sections are inexoribly
spreading. For example, a few years ago, The track near Levittown, PA
was upgraded to this speed.
7) Experimental research - there are lots of problems in the old
infrastructre which Amtrak is trying to iron out.
Why not build a new line?
Just two questions to answer an immensely stupid question. Where the
heck would you put in the northeast, and still serve the existing
population? And where would all the money come from to buy up all that
land?
Andy Byler
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 21, 1997 at 11:34:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jamaica Center Tracks posted by Joshua Caesar on
September 21, 1997 at 10:01:44:
The original plans for the Archer Extension included 7 stations. as
only 3 were built, it is possible that further extentions and a
connection would be built. It could have eventually been made a single
level, or an upper and Lower level for express and local service. The
difference in cars means nothing, as any of the IND-BMT cars with the
exception of the R44/46/68 can be used on all BMT-IND lines.
Incidently, the E now uses R32 equipment, which would have no problem
with the BMT Eastern division.
-Hank
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 21, 1997 at 11:39:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at
01:11:06:
Actually, the R-110a/b is the name of the design study. The actual
contract numbers for the cars is r136 and r137 (I think...I read this
somewhere, I may have the numbers wrong)
-Hank
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 21, 1997 at 11:44:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at
01:07:21:
Actually, there was a second order for work motors similar to R127, I
think R129 was the number. I'm trying to remember where it was I saw
the complte list of R-contracts....there were a bunch that were
cancelled...
-Hank
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Posted by John on September 21, 1997 at 12:02:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Jamaica Center Tracks posted by David Pirmann on
September 21, 1997 at 11:27:22:
And remember - the R-42s that the J uses now, used to be the norm on
the E.
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Posted by Howard on September 21, 1997 at 13:10:08:
In Reply to: [6]Train info - length of cars posted by Ted on September
14, 1997 at 00:36:00:
To answer your qustions on train length:
1)LIRR/Metro-North units: 150 feet
2)Arrow EMU: 80 feet
3)Comet 4 pass. car: 85 feet
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Posted by Howard on September 21, 1997 at 13:10:22:
In Reply to: [6]Train info - length of cars posted by Ted on September
14, 1997 at 00:36:00:
To answer your qustions on train length:
1)LIRR/Metro-North units: 150 feet
2)Arrow EMU: 80 feet
3)Comet 4 pass. car: 85 feet
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Posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at 14:02:41:
In Reply to: [6]Jamaica Center Tracks posted by subway-buff on
September 21, 1997 at 05:56:53:
The upper level tracks at Jamaica Center were intended to continue
south east via Merrick and Francis Lewis Blvds. to Rosedale, Queens.
There were several versions of the plan, drawn but because of money
and environmental problems, none ever got beyond the drawing stage. As
for what is (north) of the station. The upper level tracks curve
southward and continue approximately 1/2 mile to bumping blocks.
Currently (6) E trains are stored on the 2 tracks during
non-commission hours. The lower level tracks are significanly shorter
(about 500'). A connection was originally envisioned between the two
levels but was abandoned due to the additional cost. Now, with the
ever present potential for Williamsburgh Bridge closure, there are
people in Operations Planning and Capital Project management who are
likely kicking themselves in their blue pencil rumps.
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Posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at 14:06:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 21,
1997 at 11:39:27:
Technically, you may be correct, however, in day to day operations the
trains are referred to as the R-110a and R-110b. No one in operations
at the TA knows these two trains by any other designation.
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Posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at 14:10:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 21,
1997 at 11:44:12:
The question is still 'R' units currently in service. Cancelled car
contracts do not qualify according to the criteria of the question.
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Posted by Koi on September 21, 1997 at 16:40:41:
I am curious as to how far one can travel using various regional or
local commuter rail systems (ie, no Amtrack) without having to leave
the train station where you transfer to another train. The longest
routes I know of are 1)Metro-North from New Haven to GCT. Transfer to
NYC Subway to go to Penn Station and then take NJT to Trenton to take
SEPTA's R7 to CCP. Then transfer there to the R2 which will take you
to Wilmington, DE. 2) LIRR from Montauk to Penn Station then the rest
as above to Wilmington, DE. Can anybody add to this at the DE end or
think of a longer route elsewhere in the USA?
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Posted by Bobw on September 21, 1997 at 18:04:06:
In Reply to: [6]Farthest travel using regional commuter rail posted by
Koi on September 21, 1997 at 16:40:41:
SEPTA recently extended some Wilmington trips (mainly peak hour, peak
direction) to Newark, DE, about 15 miles south/west of Wilmington. If
you can close the 30+ mile gap between there and Perryville, MD, the
furthest north/east reach of MARC, you could take commuter rail south
to DC and beyond via Virginia Rail Express or MARC (which goes all the
way to Martinsburg, WV).
Rumor has it that MARC may be looking to extend to Wilmington
somewhere along the line, but I don't think that is likely very soon.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on September 21, 1997 at 18:40:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Farthest travel using regional commuter rail
posted by Bobw on September 21, 1997 at 18:04:06:
As far as I know, the only definate expansion of the Marc system is on
the Martinsburg Line. They are building a branch from the line to
Frederick, Maryland adding two new stops.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 21, 1997 at 18:53:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by Peter Rosa on
September 18, 1997 at 16:35:14:
I thought Elmhurst was a fairly recent closure, relative to Winfield
and Rego Park. I seem to remember it being listed 15-20 years ago.
Also, there is Ozone Park, north of the A train's Rockaway Blvd
station, and Woodhaven (located above the underground station and
elevated). These were both part of the Rockaway Beach branch. They can
only be viewed from street level, unless you borrow a big ladder.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 21, 1997 at 19:58:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Bi-Level fleet troubles posted by Philip
Nasadowski on September 18, 1997 at 01:04:40:
Could the reason the locomotives use diesel power in GCT is that GCT
has trouble supplying power to all the trains coming in or out during
rush hours? When I've ridden MN MU's out of GCT I notice that they
switch off the AC and much of the lights.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 21, 1997 at 21:25:35:
In Reply to: [6]Farthest travel using regional commuter rail posted by
Koi on September 21, 1997 at 16:40:41:
On the northern end of your route, it's possible to take the Shore
Line East commuter train (run by Connecticut DOT) from New London,
connecting to Metro-North at New Haven. LIRR from Montauk might still
be longer, however.
On the southern end, I believe that SEPTA runs as far as Newark,
Delaware. An interesting point is that there's only about a 17-mile
gap between Newark and Perryville, Maryland, which is MARC's northern
terminus. But for that gap, a MARC-VRE combination with a connection
at DC Union Station would allow a commuter rail/subway trip all the
way from New London or Montauk to Fredricksburg, Virginia.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 21, 1997 at 21:30:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Farthest travel using regional commuter rail
posted by Peter Rosa on September 21, 1997 at 21:25:35:
Another thought occurred to me. In addition to the Newark,
DE/Perryville, MD gap, there's another longer but still relatively
short gap (~40 miles) between New London, CT and Providence, RI. If
that gap were bridged as well, by adding the MBTA to the mix it would
be possible to take commuter rail from Fredrickburg, VA to Rockport,
MA.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 21, 1997 at 21:35:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jamaica Center Tracks posted by David Pirmann on
September 21, 1997 at 11:27:22:
From what I've heard, the 75-foot cars can physically fit on the BMT
Eastern Division lines (J/M/Z/L), but would have to go slowly through
some of the tight turns and over the Williamsburg Bridge that using
them for revenue service would be impractical.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 21, 1997 at 21:41:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by Andrew Huie on
September 21, 1997 at 18:53:28:
I was wondering whether the abandoned A train platform at Aqueduct
race track qualifies as an abandoned LIRR station. Does it pre-date
the subway system's takeover of the LIRR's Far Rockaway branch?
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Posted by Zack on September 21, 1997 at 21:50:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Marc Commuter Rail (was:Farthest travel using
regional) commuter rail posted by Mark Greenwald on September 21, 1997
at 18:40:36:
I know trains did a article on that in 1995??
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Posted by John on September 21, 1997 at 21:50:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Bi-Level fleet troubles posted by Andrew Huie on
September 21, 1997 at 19:58:47:
The same thing happens to the LIRR MUs at Penn Station. I don't think
it has anything to do with the amount of electricity supplied to the
station, though. Many of the older subway trains used to do this (the
Flushing R-33s and R-36s still do), but I don't know the exact cause
of this (more precisely, I don't really know why the lights-off occurs
sometimes and other times it doesn't).
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Posted by John on September 21, 1997 at 21:57:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: red signs, green signs posted by Jeff on September
17, 1997 at 21:21:33:
The #10 train, huh? I guess that managed to turn a lot of heads.
I was also on a train that had #2 roller signs on the front, and #3
signs on the side. Since I needed the #2, all through Manhattan, I was
debating on which one it was (the destination signs didn't help. This
is what was posted: Dyre Avenue
Utica Avenue
3 7th Avenue Express
It turned out to be the #2, because it took me to E. Tremont Avenue,
and eventually the Bronx Zoo.
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Posted by John on September 21, 1997 at 21:59:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Train info - length of cars posted by Howard on
September 21, 1997 at 13:10:22:
150 feet?! Christ, are they THAT long? You sure you got that right?
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on September 22, 1997 at 05:52:33:
I have not seen anything recently on the proposed LIRR station
closings in
Queens (Penny Bridge, et al).
Anyone know hard info, whether public hearings were conducted, public
debate recently, etc.?
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Posted by aaron on September 22, 1997 at 08:56:27:
I called CTA last Friday (9/19) and asked where I could get Visitor
Pass.
They said any WH Smith concession stand at O'hare. Got to O'hare
Saturday
morning. Went to four WH Smith stands. No passes. Went to Airport
Hilton. No passes. Went to Blue Line terminal. No passes. Took
Marriott
shuttle bus to Marriott Suites O'hare were it turns out I was spending
the
night. SUCCESS. THEY HAD IT!!! Stopped by Airport Marriott later that
day. No passes. I think I got the only one around. PAIN.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on September 22, 1997 at 09:49:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Farthest travel using regional commuter rail
posted by Peter Rosa on September 21, 1997 at 21:30:41:
Another slight routing change.....if the Marc were connected to Septa
at Wilmington, wouldn't it take you further if you transfered Marc
trains at Union Station in DC and rode the Marc all the way out to
Martinsburg WV instead of using the VRE to Fredericksburg? I think
Martinsburg IS further away from Union Station than Fredericksburg.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on September 22, 1997 at 12:20:50:
In Reply to: [6]CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by aaron on September 22,
1997 at 08:56:27:
Glad to see that perseverence pays off. You should let CTA know the
lack of places that they recommended that had the passes. If anyone
else has or had the same problem, they should let the CTA know, too.
Sometimes the only thing that transit authorities respond too is LOTS
of complaints about the same thing.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 22, 1997 at 13:12:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Amtrak High Speed Routes posted by Andrew Byler on
September 21, 1997 at 11:33:14:
I know this was not the point you wished to make, but it does bring
out what a poor job of informing the taxpayer has been done by this
projects managers.
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Posted by Nick on September 22, 1997 at 13:48:55:
I metro North planning to replace any or all of its fleet
soon-particularly on the New Haven Line?
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Posted by Ted Siuta on September 22, 1997 at 14:34:52:
Help! I've seen them before (once), but there are HO scale NYC subway
cars out there. Does anybody know where I can find them? I saw them at
a show once, and, unfortunately were quite expensive being made of
brass. They are fully functional working HO cars. If anybody knows who
the manufacturer is, or where they may be purchased, I would
appreciate a quick Email!
Thanks,
Ted
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POSTER>aaron
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Posted by aaron on September 22, 1997 at 14:54:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by Dan Lawrence on
September 22, 1997 at 12:20:50:
I just sent a message to them at their website.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 22, 1997 at 16:02:36:
In Reply to: [5]HO Scale NYC Subway cars posted by Ted Siuta on
September 22, 1997 at 14:34:52:
What you saw was probably the products of the Q Car Co, I'm not sure
if they are still around. More recently the Red Caboose on W45st.,NYC
advertised plastic IRT cars in Model Railroader. Still expensive
though!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 22, 1997 at 16:53:02:
In Reply to: [6]HO Scale NYC Subway cars posted by Ted Siuta on
September 22, 1997 at 14:34:52:
See [7]this page for a list of model vendors.
--dave
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Posted by Steve on September 22, 1997 at 17:22:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Bi-Level fleet troubles posted by John on
September 21, 1997 at 21:50:28:
On the R-33/R-36 cars, interior carbody lights will go off over 3rd
rail gaps while the lights in other cars do not. The reason for this
is the type of lighting which is incorporated in the car design. On
the R-33/R36 fleet, the interior carbody lights are fed directly from
the 600 volt 3rd rail. Therefore, when the car goes over a 3rd rail
gap, the lights go out. At the same time, the 3rd rail voltage is fed
across an Emergency Light relay. When the 600 volts is lost, the relay
drops out, making up a battery circuit which feeds the emergency
lights. When the 3rd rail voltage is picked up again, the relay makes
up and shuts the emergency lights.
On most other cars in the NYCT fleet, the lights are fed from 37.5
volts from the batteries. The B+ is fed into an inverter ballast which
proovides about 400 volts at 1500 Hz to light the fluorescent lamps.
(2 lamps per ballast) Therefore, the lights stay on when the car goes
over 3rd rail gaps as long as the battery circuit is operable.
On the LIRR and most other MU rail cars, the fluorescent lights and
other auxilliary equipment are fed by 480 VAC from the motor
alternator. The MA runs from 3rd rail voltage, When the car crosses
3rd rail gaps, the MA drops out and the lights will go out too.
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Posted by Joshua Trower on September 22, 1997 at 18:10:23:
Does anybody have and idea of how you could ride an entire commuter
rail system[say septa, nj transit or the mbta] in a single day period?
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Posted by Dwayne j Davis on September 22, 1997 at 20:06:24:
I know it's not worth it, but how much would it cost to completely
replace the nyc transit system? How much to just overhaul the system
to make it more uniform. I know this will incense some people because
to them nothing needs changing, but iI was born and raised in nyc and
in my opinion there needs to be a whole lot done. I would like to see
your responses.
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Posted by Bobw on September 22, 1997 at 20:33:29:
In Reply to: [6]most of commuter rail system you could
ride............. posted by Joshua Trower on September 22, 1997 at
18:10:23:
Here in Phila, it could be done physically (if that's your question -
I assume you mean this and not how you'd do it fare-wise), probably
best on a weekday when all lines are in operation and headways are
smallest. You could do a couple of "out and backs" on close lines like
Chestnut Hill East and West (the outer terminals are within a couple
of blocks of each other), and possibly Trenton and West Trenton (you'd
need to taxi between these stops). Trips to places like Downingtown,
Wilmington/Newark, and Doylestown could be done but might be difficult
given the peak-hour nature of the operation (first two) and the length
of trip (third). Much of your travel will be both ways on the same
line, however, with the noted exceptions. It is possible to use SEPTA
buses to go from Media to Chester, for example, to cover portions of
two lines, but again, careful planning is a must. You might do better
getting partial rides on many lines and using other modes to complete
the trip. One example, from Center City, is Media by R3, walk a few
blocks to 101 (light rail) to 69th St, switch to 100 (ex-P & W) to
either Radnor (and walk a few blocks to Radnor R5) or Norristown
(shared stop with R6) back to Center City. This would give a good
cross-section of three different modes.
There are a couple of other possibilities like this, some involving
bus routes, but it could be done. It would undoubtedly be a long day!
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Posted by Steve on September 22, 1997 at 21:29:00:
In Reply to: [6]I know it's not worth it but... posted by Dwayne j
Davis on September 22, 1997 at 20:06:24:
At tens of millions of dollars per route mile for construction,
environmental impact studies, obtaining right-of-ways and political
squabbling over routes and station locations, I doubt that the NYC
subway system could be built here at any price. If you doubt it look
how long it took to build the 63rd St. tunnel and how much longer it's
taken to connect it at both ends.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 22, 1997 at 21:39:24:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR Montauk Station Closings(?) posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on September 22, 1997 at 05:52:33:
I haven't heard anything specifically about hearings or debate on the
Queens station closings. It's worth noting, however, that at two of
the Suffolk County stations that were scheduled for closing but later
repreived (Medford and Bellport), construction of high-level platforms
to accomodate the new bilevel trains is well under way. The lack of
any similar work at the Queens stations, if that is indeed the case,
might therefore be an indication that they're still scheduled to go.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 22, 1997 at 22:10:32:
In Reply to: [5]I know it's not worth it but... posted by Dwayne j
Davis on September 22, 1997 at 20:06:24:
Ya..once we get that national debt payed off just give the savings to
NYC...it'll cost around a couple trillion...not a problem
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on September 22, 1997 at 22:36:26:
In Reply to: [6]N.Y.C.Visit posted by John Downing on September 20,
1997 at 12:47:48:
There is actually one tour that weekend on September 27 called The
Brooklyn Els. The description in the brochure from the Museum
describes it as "Tour the most complex elevated junction in the world
today. See how the Els connect to the subway." This might be full, but
it's worth a try at least. To make reservations (required) call
718-243-8601 Monday thru Friday 10-4. The cost is $15 for nonmembers
and $10 for members
Good Luck and enjoy your trip to NYC!
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POSTER>jeff
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Posted by jeff on September 22, 1997 at 23:11:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: red signs, green signs posted by John on September
21, 1997 at 21:57:07:
On the r33's and other trains where passengers can change the side
signs, use the front signs or ask the conductor. Never trust the side
signs!
P.S. How come the NYCTA didnt remove the rollers on the r33's like on
the r32's?
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Posted by Jeff on September 22, 1997 at 23:15:17:
In Reply to: [5]Railcar Lighting posted by Steve on September 22, 1997
at 17:22:45:
I like it when the lights go out on those old R33-36 #6and 7 trains.
It reminds me of the eighties and it adds flavor to the ride!
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Posted by Steve on September 23, 1997 at 00:03:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Train info - length of cars posted by Howard on
September 21, 1997 at 13:10:22:
I wouldn't bet the ranch but I think the M-1s to M-6s are 80' long.
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Posted by Steve on September 23, 1997 at 00:03:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Train info - length of cars posted by Howard on
September 21, 1997 at 13:10:22:
I wouldn't bet the ranch but I think the M-1s to M-6s are 80' long.
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Posted by sammy on September 23, 1997 at 04:26:15:
In Reply to: [6]I know it's not worth it but... posted by Dwayne j
Davis on September 22, 1997 at 20:06:24:
The sad truth is the system can't be replaced at any price? Just look
at the fandango that the 63rd street line is. And right now, because
of construction, the MTA has sought to screw the people of eastern
Qeens and North Brooklyn with obnoxious and crazy service schedules
that make no sense whatsoever. What we need is clear leadership and
good, dedicated workers. In order to do that, I suggest the following:
1) Eliminate any and all transit unions. Want to know why the cost of
construction is so high? why service schedules are horrible and work
against people? Why the fare is so expensive? One word. Unions. Do you
know of any other institution that fights against productivity gains
and has such incredibly generous benefits? Know of any place where
jobs are more or less "guaranteed"? welcome to the MTA unions.
2) Each and every member of the MTA's construction and planning branch
should be marched out at dawn and shot. OK, fire them. More
incompetant you couldn't get. There is no clear thinking as to how
construction and service interuptions impact everyone.
3) following two, why put money into the 63rd street line when the
second avenue line is clearly the more needed? Im saying this and I
live in Queens!!!! The 63rd street line will do nothing for northern
Queens.
4) All commuters can fight back don't buy MetroCards. Don't support
the unions whatsoever. Fight back as much as you can. If trains are
late, give the conductor a piece of your mind.
The only way we can get mass transit to benefit the people is to
fight, and fight now.
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on September 23, 1997 at 07:45:32:
In Reply to: [6]HO Scale NYC Subway cars posted by Ted Siuta on
September 22, 1997 at 14:34:52:
There have been numerous HO models of NYC subway/elevated cars over
the years in brass, limited run epoxy, cast urethane, and now
injection molded styrene. Brass models of BMT Standards (Silver Leaf,
WP Car Co.), IND R-4's(Custom Brass), IND R-3 Work Train (Custom
Brass),BRT Freight Motor and Crane (MTS), IRT Low V's (WP Car Co.),
BMT D Types (MTS), BMT Q Cars (MTS), IRT Deck Roof Hi V's (MTS),
Manhatten and Brooklyn El Cars (MTS, WP Car Co.), R-10's (WP Car Co.),
R-15, 17, 21/22, 29 (with errors), 33, and 36's (MTS)have been
produced. These were all very limited run models, and are long since
out of production. Try The Caboose in Wolcott, CT (203)879-9797. They
may have some of these in stock. Their prices are quite reasonable for
brass. In addition, Q-Car made epoxy bodies for the BMT Standards as
well as the IND R-1/9's. According to Quentin Carnecelli, these are no
longer in production. MTS provided a brass underfloor and drive for
these as well (also out of production). MTS also provided a cast
urethane body Low V, based on the WP Car Co. brass model with a brass
floor and drive. These are no longer available either.
Now the good news! Images Replicas and NJ International are offering
injection molded styrene models of the R-17, 21/22, 26/28/29/mainline
33/36
subway carrs. These are unpowered in kit form. Please see the list of
manufacturers on this web site for details.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 23, 1997 at 10:29:16:
According to news reports, the TA is expanding nighttime One Person
Train Operation (OPTO) to the C and G lines. The 6 train may be next,
later in 1998. OPTO has been used on several late-night shuttle lines
for some time now and apparently has worked well.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 23, 1997 at 12:50:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: red signs, green signs posted by Stan on September
17, 1997 at 13:14:57:
Is there antyhing in the TA SOPs that says that the Q to Queensbridge
should have a yellow circle vs an orange one? You even see the yellow
diamond still. It appears that train operators may not be as diligent
on these things. All rollers on the R-62s/68s have both yellow and
orange Qs (and Bs, too). I have never been a big believer that riders
really care about the color or shape, as long as the letter (or
number) is correct.
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Posted by Moulton on September 23, 1997 at 15:31:32:
hi, i'm new in the city, and as i've been wondering around the subway
stations, i noticed some cool paintings on the walls. i asked around
for names and a friend told me that one of them may be by a guy named
Chris Pei (sp?). Has anybody heard of him? Does he do a lot of
paintings in the stations? Let me know if you know anything. Thanks.
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 23, 1997 at 15:31:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-units posted by Steve on September 21, 1997 at
14:10:12:
What I meant was, they skipped a bunch, from R46 to R62, a lot of
those in between were cancelled. I think the list was at the mta's
site, I'm not sure.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 23, 1997 at 15:34:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: red signs, green signs posted by John on September
21, 1997 at 21:57:07:
that's because people love to play with those little dials that change
the signs on the redbirds... :> I stopped doing that, though, after I
got a stern reprimand from an undercover officer.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 23, 1997 at 15:39:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Steve on
September 14, 1997 at 21:56:51:
How would the M1 not work with the SIR signal system? SIR uses B&O
color-Position signals, approach lit. A simple wire across the rails
activates the signals.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 23, 1997 at 15:43:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by John on
September 15, 1997 at 23:33:38:
LIRR is removing all but the yellow painted ends from the cars
striping, for maintainance reasons. Why paint metal that doesn't need
painting. Also, cars are being shopped and recieving those wonderful
'cyclops' headlights, and are having their regular headlights modified
to act as ditch lights for visability purposes (FRA requirement for
locomotives, and an MU is considered a locomotive.)
-Hank
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 23, 1997 at 15:44:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by John on
September 16, 1997 at 19:52:17:
They ARE ketchup and mustard stains.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 23, 1997 at 15:48:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR's MU on SIR question... posted by Philip
Nasadowski on September 14, 1997 at 18:23:31:
Want to explain how it's "easy" to get these cars on and off SI? When
the current cars were rebuilt, they had to be trucked to 38st yard in
Brooklyn. There is no rail connection from the SIR line to the rest of
the SIR (several washouts near Snug Harbor) and the rail yard and
barge connections for the harbor are long gone.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 23, 1997 at 15:54:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Train info - length of cars posted by John on
September 21, 1997 at 21:59:25:
MTA MU's are two 75' cars as a married pair. Since neither carcan
operate independantly of the other, they can be considered one car.
MNCR has some triple units (3-car married sets)
I think NJT Eagle MU's are the same, but there are a few single units.
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POSTER>Michael S. Buglak
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on September 23, 1997 at 17:05:08:
In Reply to: [6]most of commuter rail system you could
ride............. posted by Joshua Trower on September 22, 1997 at
18:10:23:
Actually, back in 1986 I undertook to ride all of SEPTA's commuter
rail system. It took me most of (3) weekdays, but I covered every inch
of the system as it then existed. (At that time the R3 still ran to
West Chester, & the R6 to Ivy Ridge on the ex-PRR side, but the R2 did
not go to Wilmington nor did the R5 then go past Downingtown.)
If you want to cover the ENTIRE system, I would suggest that you get a
complete set of ALL SEPTA timetables, as well as a good street atlas
of the Philadelphia region. There are numerous connections between
SEPTA's commuter rail lines, buses, & trolleys at or near many of the
suburban stations as well as ALL of the outer terminals except West
Trenton, NJ. The timetables show most of these connecting routes. A
SEPTA TrailPass will be all the fare you would need. (I would suggest
Zone 3 as it is good for off-peak trips to all points on the system,
even those in farther zones like Trenton & Wilmington.)
On the other hand, if you just want to sample a few lines, "Bobw"'s
posting in this thread would seem to be a good jumping-off point.
If you would be interested in taking a trip on SEPTA, e-mail me with
your address & I'll get you a complete set of SEPTA timetables.
Regards, Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
buglak@email.chop.edu
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on September 23, 1997 at 17:05:38:
In Reply to: [6]most of commuter rail system you could
ride............. posted by Joshua Trower on September 22, 1997 at
18:10:23:
Actually, back in 1986 I undertook to ride all of SEPTA's commuter
rail system. It took me most of (3) weekdays, but I covered every inch
of the system as it then existed. (At that time the R3 still ran to
West Chester, & the R6 to Ivy Ridge on the ex-PRR side, but the R2 did
not go to Wilmington nor did the R5 then go past Downingtown.)
If you want to cover the ENTIRE system, I would suggest that you get a
complete set of ALL SEPTA timetables, as well as a good street atlas
of the Philadelphia region. There are numerous connections between
SEPTA's commuter rail lines, buses, & trolleys at or near many of the
suburban stations as well as ALL of the outer terminals except West
Trenton, NJ. The timetables show most of these connecting routes. A
SEPTA TrailPass will be all the fare you would need. (I would suggest
Zone 3 as it is good for off-peak trips to all points on the system,
even those in farther zones like Trenton & Wilmington.)
On the other hand, if you just want to sample a few lines, "Bobw"'s
posting in this thread would seem to be a good jumping-off point.
If you would be interested in taking a trip on SEPTA, e-mail me with
your address & I'll get you a complete set of SEPTA timetables.
Regards, Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
buglak@email.chop.edu
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 23, 1997 at 17:09:56:
In Reply to: [5]Farthest travel using regional commuter rail posted by
Koi on September 21, 1997 at 16:40:41:
In a related subject; how about the longest daily commute that some
people actually do every day??? Some contenders are the people who
have moved to Pike Co, PA. Some of these people drive 30-60 minutes to
the Port Jervis end of the Metro-North/NJT Port Jervis Line--THEN ride
over 2 hours to Hoboken, then the PATH, and maybe a subway ride!! They
literally are only home from about 8 or 9 at night, and get up like 4
or 5 the next AM!!! Lets here about anything longer.....
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Posted by BJ on September 23, 1997 at 17:28:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by aaron on September
22, 1997 at 14:54:41:
You proabaly will never get a responce from the CTA. i sent them a
letter a month ago and I only live in the Chicago suburbs in the
downers grove area. I still haven't gotten a responce. They sometimes
will respond to E-mail and sometimes wont. It usually takes 2 to 3
weeks for them to respond if they are going to. I have gotten a
responce to about half of the e-mails i have sent them!
GOOD LUCK
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 23, 1997 at 17:35:07:
In Reply to: [5]Another tack (was Re; regarding longest ........)
posted by Lou from Middletown on September 23, 1997 at 17:09:56:
I remember seeing an article in the NY Times some years back about
long commutes. Unfortunately for this forum, the trips were by car or
poss. by bus as well. Some of the motor carriers were Bieber (from
Allentown, I thik) and Peter Pan (from. Mass) I used to know people
who commuted from the Philadelphia area and heard of others who
started their trips out on the Main Line. There used to be an Amtrak
round trip in the early 80s called the Valley Forge (using NJT MUs).
It ran from NYP out to Harrisburg, leaving NYP at 5:06p, stopping at
Newark, Trenton, 30th St., and then who knows. I believe there were
commuters on that ride because I remember hearing about a club of
people which was formed of regular riders of the Valley Forge to NYC
in the morning and from NYC in the PM.
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Posted by ~airplane on September 23, 1997 at 17:57:36:
In Reply to: [6]Another tack (was Re; regarding longest ........)
posted by Lou from Middletown on September 23, 1997 at 17:09:56:
At least some of those trains are going express. The Port Jervis Line
could still use a lot more weekend trains. Does anyone know the
details of the new service contract for MNR west-of-hudson lines? The
paper gave it a full two sentences.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 23, 1997 at 19:49:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by Charles Fiori
on September 23, 1997 at 12:50:41:
The Q used to be a Broadway line, and thus it was yellow. However,
over a period of ten years, you think the signs on the trains would
also change. I guess the TA figures that this change from Broadway to
6th Avenue is only temporary, and technically, the Q is still the
Broadway Express, with a black Q in a yellow diamond.
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Posted by aaron on September 24, 1997 at 10:40:04:
Why does the LIRR persist on running 10 car trains with 4-6 coaches
open
during off-peak hours. Why don't they just store them in yards?
Doesn't
this cause extra wear and tear.
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Posted by Dave on September 24, 1997 at 10:45:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by Peter Rosa on
September 21, 1997 at 21:41:06:
Yes it does. The last year of LIRR service to Aqueduct Race was 1955.
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Posted by Dave on September 24, 1997 at 10:48:12:
In Reply to: [6]long trains on LIRR posted by aaron on September 24,
1997 at 10:40:04:
Maybe it's cheaper to deadhead the cars then to pay a crew to cut them
in and out of various trains. Less motive power needed, too, since you
don't need a switcher if you're not cutting in and out cars. Plus, you
don't have a build-up of stored cars that would need to be deadheaded
to a terminus when they were needed.
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Posted by Dave on September 24, 1997 at 10:57:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR -- In the past... posted by Dave on September
24, 1997 at 10:45:30:
Yes it does pre-date the A train. The last year of LIRR service to
Aqueduct Race was 1955. The station was originally constructed in
1888. Service after 1955 was through a connecting bus at Woodhaven;
this was discontinued in 1960.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 24, 1997 at 12:14:15:
In Reply to: [6]OPTO expansion posted by Peter Rosa on September 23,
1997 at 10:29:16:
It would appear, then, that the C line, currently serviced (mostly)
with
R-32s, will get full cab equipment (R-44/46/68 at night at least) to
support this.
Does anyone know how the plan to convert R40/R42s to full width cabs
is
progressing?
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 24, 1997 at 12:25:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by BJ on September
23, 1997 at 17:28:39:
I'd have to second this. I sent CTA e-mail before my trip to Chicago
last
June. I sent the e-mail in early May regarding their photography
policy.
I never heard from them.
You're better off calling their customer service number. I think it's
(888) YOUR-CTA.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 24, 1997 at 12:29:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: N.Y.C.Visit posted by Adam on September 22, 1997
at 22:36:26:
This tour sold out long ago. (sigh!)
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 24, 1997 at 12:42:16:
My wife, while visiting her dentist, told him about my love of trains
and
all the Transit Museum tours that I've gone on. Her dentist then
proceeded to tell her that he once accompanied a construction friend
of
his to an excavation being done on Governors Island. (I don't know
when
this visit took place). He supposedly was told by his construction
friend
that old subway cars were used as additional fill to increase the size
of
Governors Island many years ago, and then was supposedly able to see
remnants of these old subway cars in the excavation.
Is this possible or has this dentist inhaled too much laughing gas?
I do know that some of the old PRR cars that predated PATH were used
to
form an artificial reef somewhere off the coast of NJ (and I did see
pictures of this reef at a tour of the Harrison Shops a few years
ago).
--Mark
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Posted by Joe Barnes on September 24, 1997 at 14:31:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Marc Commuter Rail (was:Farthest travel using
regional) commuter rail posted by Mark Greenwald on September 21, 1997
at 18:40:36:
Yes, Martinsburg WV is farther from Union Station in Washington
then Fredericksburg. I live in Martinsburg.
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Posted by Bingo on September 24, 1997 at 15:29:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 24, 1997 at 12:25:54:
What do you expect? They're the CTA!!! This is such typical behaviour
for them.
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Posted by John on September 24, 1997 at 16:16:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Dave on September
24, 1997 at 10:48:12:
The LIRR is not the only one who does it. NJ Transit also does that on
the weekends. In fact, it's not unusual to see a train of 5+ cars with
only the last car open, especially on the Bergen/Main, during weekend
evenings.
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Posted by John on September 24, 1997 at 16:19:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO expansion posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 24, 1997 at 12:14:15:
The C doesn't run at night, so how could this be so? Maybe the weekend
(daytime) C trains will be affected, or the nighttime A trains, which
run local to conpensate for the C.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 24, 1997 at 17:30:46:
In Reply to: [5]Governors Island posted by Mark S Feinman on September
24, 1997 at 12:42:16:
Governos Island is one of the way cool places in NYC. I had the
opportunity to attend a couple of company picnics over there in the
mid 80s. The only 'fill' of which I had heard was the excavation from
some of the lower East River tunnels was used to build out the island
to allow for situation of the white airshaft for the Battery Tunnel,
plainly visible from lower Manhattan.
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Posted by subway-buff on September 24, 1997 at 17:40:26:
In Reply to: [6]Brooklyn Els Tour Sold Out (was Re: N.Y.C.Visit)
posted by Mark S Feinman on September 24, 1997 at 12:29:46:
Suggestion; They will meet at the J/M./Z entrance at Essex Street
Station at 11am on 9/27/97. If you show up and someone is a no show
maybe you could go. I do not work for the museum so this is not a
promise but a chance to go,
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 24, 1997 at 19:17:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Montauk Station Closings(?) posted by Peter
Rosa on September 22, 1997 at 21:39:24:
Are they going to electrify ALL tracks on the LIRR so that the current
MU can be used on the Oyster Bay branch, as well as points east of
Huntington, Ronkonkoma, and Babylon... That way, it can provide direct
service to Manhattan and Flatbush Ave, rather than taking the train
only to Jamaica, or using the extension to LIC or Hunterspoint Ave...
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 24, 1997 at 19:18:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Another tack (was Re; regarding longest ........)
posted by ~airplane on September 23, 1997 at 17:57:36:
Our local paper (Times Herald -Record you can find it probably in the
paper bins at Hoboken!) had a little more detailed info. Essentially
they are adding an extra train in the morning eastbound; and they are
making all the peak trains out of Hoboken expresses,i.e. no stops
until Suffern. This finally gives the west of Hudson riders almost
equality with their brethern on the Hudson line. As far as weekend
sevice is concerned,there was no mention of anything- but eventually
they have to do something! Its easier for me on a weekend to drive 25
miles over to Beacon than it is to usr the one train down and one
train back to Hoboken; and believe me, if you have ever seen the
weekend ridership on the PJ line I'm not the only one!
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POSTER>Daniel A. Valles
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Posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 24, 1997 at 19:22:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I know it's not worth it but... posted by sammy on
September 23, 1997 at 04:26:15:
AMEN!!!!
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SUBJECT>Re: Riding the NYC subway system one one fare (was:most of commuter rail
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In Reply to: [6]Re: most of commuter rail system you could
ride............. posted by Michael S. Buglak on September 23, 1997 at
17:05:38:
Has anybody ridden the entire NYC subway system (as it is at present)
on one fare in 30 hrs or less? Anybody has any idea in how short of a
time it could be done (barring any delays or very lenghty waits for
trains)? What would be the best way of going about doing it (best
starting station and ending station and ways to minimize the number of
transfers that have to be made)?
Koi
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Posted by subway-buff on September 24, 1997 at 20:19:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by John on
September 23, 1997 at 19:49:38:
I have started seeing Orange Q signs-mainly on R-68/68A trains. This
orange Q is a round subway bullet rather than a diamond bullet.
A" Subway Bullet" is the number or letter surrounded by the colored
circle or diamond. I toured the NYCTA Bergen Street Sign Shop and was
given a set of subway bullets and other goodies such as an official
surplus sign which could be attached to a steel I-beam. These signs
FYI, are on black metal with vinyl letters cut out by computer. After
they are completed they are laminated to produce the faux porcelain
look. If you have seen the red "do not enter track" signs- they are
silk screened due to volume of production.
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Posted by subway-buff on September 24, 1997 at 20:24:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: red signs, green signs posted by Hank Eisenstein
on September 23, 1997 at 15:34:24:
Except for the redbirds (with cranks) and R44/R-46( Luminator (r) LED
Signs) all current R equipment has signs without the crank attachment,
which is presumably carried by crew members to eliminate this
temptation .
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Posted by Bobw on September 24, 1997 at 20:58:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: most of commuter rail system you could
ride............. posted by Michael S. Buglak on September 23, 1997 at
17:05:38:
All SEPTA schedules are now on-line at SEPTA.com, fyi.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Riding the NYC subway system one one fare
(was:most of commuter rail system you could ride............. posted
by Koi on September 24, 1997 at 19:58:04:
Supposedly it is possible to ride the NYC subway in less than 24 hours
using only one fare. This may have changed, however, given ongoing
service changes. About the only thing I know about routings is that
Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn is the best starting point (dunno why).
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Riding the NYC subway system one one fare
(was:most of commuter rail system you could ride............. posted
by Peter Rosa on September 24, 1997 at 22:22:55:
Refer to "Uptown Downtown" which has a chapter on subway-riding
champs. I don't recall it being possible to "do the system" in less
than 24 hours.
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on September 24, 1997 at 22:56:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by John on September
24, 1997 at 16:16:51:
NJT also does this routinely on the Atlantic City line. Trains are
often three cars in length, with generally only one or two open for
passengers. This past summer, trains were cut to two cars, both of
which were available for passengers. Now, three-car trains are back.
I rode a train a few years ago, back from AC, on which only the center
car of the three-car set was open to riders. Didn't make much sense to
me... (the loco is usually in front on Phila-bound sets, so there was
no one in the cab car).
The New York subways also did this routinely at night for many years,
as I have been told, and only half the train was opened for riders.
The theory was apparently that the full-length could be made available
if a sudden surge of passengers materialized. Also didn't make much
sense to me...
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Posted by Steve on September 25, 1997 at 00:41:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Dave on September
24, 1997 at 10:48:12:
Sorry but when you cut MUs you don't use switchers. They move on
they're own.
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Posted by Steve on September 25, 1997 at 00:48:24:
In Reply to: [6]long trains on LIRR posted by aaron on September 24,
1997 at 10:40:04:
There are several reasons for not cutting trains during non-commission
hours. The first is the cost of switchman. The second is that when
cars are cut and re-added, problems emerge in the electric coupler
(electric portion). This can lead to in-service failures. Finally, has
to do with car mileage. By running constant lenght trains, cars
accummulate mileage uniformly. This is important, especially on a RR
where the inspections are time-based.
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Posted by Steve on September 25, 1997 at 00:52:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO expansion posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 24, 1997 at 12:14:15:
The C train will use 4-car R-44s. The 'plan' to put transverse cabs on
R-40 & R-42 equipment was never really considered feasible. It was
just looked at. In 1999, the B division fleets will be somewhat
re-aligned, partially to accommodate OPTO.
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Posted by Steve on September 25, 1997 at 00:58:10:
Changes are coming on the Q train - soon. The R-68As will be moved to
the B line and the R-40Ss will be moved to the Q line.
Changes on the N line too.- The open cut segment of the N line will be
reduced from 4 tracks to 3. One track will be removed and the
remaining 'express' track will be made bi-directional with a new
signal system.
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SUBJECT>What's Under Harlem River Drive
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Posted by Julio Perez on September 25, 1997 at 07:50:00:
When I was a kid, I remember seeing some trains underneath Harlem
River Drive, as seen from the area of the Major Deegan Expressway and
the Macombs Dam Bridge, looking towards the west.
Was (is??) this a terminal for the #3 trains?
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Posted by Julio Perez on September 25, 1997 at 08:02:54:
I know there's a fairly extensive FAQ file about, among other things,
underused center tracks where 3 sets of tracks are present throughout
the NYCTA system.
But I'm still confused. I'd like to know whether the following
center-track segments were _ever_ used for an express or other sort of
revenue service (_not_ for storage exclusively):
* 7th Avenue/Broadway (currently 1/9), from 103rd to 145th Streets
* 7th Avenue/Broadway (currently 1/9), from 157th Street north towards
242nd Street (don't know how much further the center track runs past
225th Street)
* Broadway Local in Queens (currently N), from Queensboro Plaza to
Ditmars Boulevard
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Posted by Julio Perez on September 25, 1997 at 08:04:58:
In Reply to: [6]Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Steve on
September 25, 1997 at 00:58:10:
With the removal of one of the tracks, will this mean there will be
some sort of skip-stop service a la Z line?
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Posted by Dave on September 25, 1997 at 09:03:37:
In Reply to: [6]Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Steve on
September 25, 1997 at 00:58:10:
Why is the TA removing one of the tracks?
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Posted by aaron on September 25, 1997 at 09:05:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on Aqueduct (was LIRR -- In the past...)
posted by Dave on September 24, 1997 at 10:57:24:
Wrong. This platform was used up until about ten years ago when the TA
ran
express trains to the racetrack from the lower level of 42nd/8th Ave.
It
should qualify as an abandoned station on Joe Brennan's list, but
since it
is not on an elevated structure or in a subway he says it falls
through the
cracks. Take it from a BDH (Broken Down Horseplayer).
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Posted by George on September 25, 1997 at 09:14:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO expansion posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 24, 1997 at 12:14:15:
I still feel OPTO is dangerous and will ultimately wil push the MTA to
cut many jobs. Still I don't feel sorry for the Transit Union or it's
workers.
They never complained about full cabs. As a subway rider therefore a
customer I've never appreciated full cabs. Although it may give
greater comfort for the train operator and the conductor it is a great
inconvience to the customers. First of all it takes up too much space
especially on the 51 foot IRT trains.(which genius thought that one
up?!). Also one took more comfort knowing that a train had two
conductor cars instead of one on the full cab version. Also since most
full cab trains have the glass door covered to the cabs (why so we
can't see the operator or conductor smoking, go ahead light up it
doesn't bother me), one feels that in case of trouble no-one is there
to report the incident. Perhaps the Transit Union should wake up and
realize this and force the MTA to give up on full cabs where feasible
especially with a new fleet on order. This may lead to more capacity
on cars and make riders more secure and insure that a mass lay-off
program won't be in effect. I could care less if the MTA feels that
this works in other cities. NYC is "not" just another city.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 25, 1997 at 09:38:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by subway-buff
on September 24, 1997 at 20:19:45:
Ah, Bergen Street. One of my fave places to visit. Lots of souvenirs
from there. Care to trade???
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Posted by Chris on September 25, 1997 at 11:04:27:
In Reply to: [6]Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Steve on
September 25, 1997 at 00:58:10:
Hi
Will there be any changes to the physical
layout--interlockings,switches ???
Do you have any drawings of the new track layout
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 25, 1997 at 11:24:32:
In Reply to: [6]Governors Island posted by Mark S Feinman on September
24, 1997 at 12:42:16:
Old subway cars would seem to be an highly unlikely candidate for
landfill. Unless the cars were filled with dirt beforehand, which
obviously would involve a lot of effort, there would be a risk that
they would collapse under the weight of all the fill above them,
thereby causing the ground to sink.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 25, 1997 at 11:27:25:
This morning (9-25), I saw what appeared to be a burned LIRR car at
the Hillside Yard. The car's windows and doors were covered up, and
there appeared to be smoke marks above the doors. It was too far away
to read the car number.
I haven't heard anything recently about an LIRR car fire. Does anyone
have any details?
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 25, 1997 at 11:30:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: More on Aqueduct (was LIRR -- In the past...)
posted by aaron on September 25, 1997 at 09:05:17:
I don't think Dave is wrong on this one; he is talking about service
on the LIRR before the TA took over in 1956. Aqueduct has been there
since the 1880's, as has the Rockaway branch. It seems entirely likely
that LIRR provided service, as they did to Belmont Park.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 25, 1997 at 12:41:01:
In Reply to: [6]What's Under Harlem River Drive posted by Julio Perez
on September 25, 1997 at 07:50:00:
I think the 148th St/Lenox Terminal and the Lenox yard
are in that location. Now there's an apartment house
that was built over the tracks so the view may not be
as good.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 25, 1997 at 12:47:38:
In Reply to: [6]Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Steve on
September 25, 1997 at 00:58:10:
R40 slants on the Q line soon? Wow - I guess I should
be happy (even though they're ugly) because that
presents us railfans with the better cab view of the
Brighton line again!
Is the single express track plan for the Sea Beach open
cut a test of the signal system, or might you be aware
of more permanent plans for this single track (such as
a peak hour express). Or will this track continue to
be used for testing rolling stock as it has
traditionally been?
And I guess I'm curious as to why NYC Transit is even
bothering to tear the other express track out. Why not
just leave it alone and sever connections to it?
Wouldn't this save money?
--Mark
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Riding the NYC subway system one one fare
(was:most of commuter rail system you could ride............. posted
by Bobw on September 24, 1997 at 22:48:18:
You might want to take a look at the Daily News in
November or December 1988 when the Archer Ave extension
opened up. Three individuals decided to ride every
line on the NYC subway and establish a record for the
"new" configuration of 468 stations. I think they did
it in either 23 or 26 hours, I can't remember. The
article may have had some info on their start/end
points.
There was also a Daily News article in the Sunday
magazine sometime in 1974 (I think this is referred to
in "Uptown, Downtown") where someone by the name of
Rebecca Morris rode every line in about 24 hours, and
documented what she saw.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 25, 1997 at 13:03:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by Bingo on September
24, 1997 at 15:29:52:
My experience with CTA was not all bad. Even though
they didn't respond to my e-mail, a visit to their HQ
at Merchandise Mart put me in touch with someone (too
bad I never wrote down his name) who told me everything
I needed to know about their photography policy. What
a nice guy he was. We spent 2 hours just talking about
NYC Transit and CTA and comparing systems. He even
gave me 1994, 1995 and 1997 calendars to take back with
me, as well as statistical info about all the cars in
the CTA fleet. The calendars usually incur a charge of
which I was willing to pay; he gave them to me free of
charge. Many others in the office were also very
accommodating to me.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 25, 1997 at 13:06:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brooklyn Els Tour Sold Out (was Re: N.Y.C.Visit)
posted by subway-buff on September 24, 1997 at 17:40:26:
Funny you mentioned this because I was planning to just
show up. At every Transit Museum tour I have attended,
there is always a no-show. However, I just got off the
phone with Clarence (acting educational director at the
museum) - seems there was a cancellation and I got
called because I was on the waiting list. So I will
get a chance to attend after all!!
--Mark
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on September 25, 1997 at 14:02:13:
Why is it that the LIRR MUs seem to sway alot when they are moving?
Even when passengers board the MUs, you can at times see the car move
to one side. But when I ride on NJ Transit, their fleet does not seem
to have this problem. We will ever get a stable ride from the LIRR?
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Posted by John M. on September 25, 1997 at 14:52:50:
On Tuesday in the Daily News and yesterday in the New York Times,
there were reports about eliminating conductors on the C and G lines
on weekends, and the #6 train at night north of 125th Street. The
MTA's long range plan to have trains operated only by motormen is
projected (by them) to save $1 million per year.
I'd be curious to know ome opinions about this. I think it is a bad
move even if it does save $1 million because of the obvious security
problem-- when I moved to NYC ten years ago, I was told that the
safest place to ride at night was in the conductor's car. Of course,
the conductor cannot really prevent a serious crime, but his/her
presence, or "eyes," make people safer and may discourage crime in the
conductor's car.
This is akin to back in the '80's when the MTA wanted to eliminate
newstands. The presence of the news vendors also made the stations
safer.
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Posted by John on September 25, 1997 at 15:30:40:
In Reply to: [5]Swaying LIRR MUs posted by Bill Ruiz on September 25,
1997 at 14:02:13:
Yeah, they do sway a lot, don't they? The NJ Transit MUs don't sway as
much, but they bounce a hell of a lot. It feels like they have
grasshoppers for wheel trucks.
So you sway all the way from Long Island, and bounce your way across
New Jersey - UGH!! It's enough to make anyone seasick (or trainsick)!
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 25, 1997 at 15:33:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Julio Perez
on September 25, 1997 at 08:04:58:
And what's the purpose of the equipment shift?
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Posted by BJ on September 25, 1997 at 17:26:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by Mark S Feinman on
September 25, 1997 at 13:03:19:
What calenders did he give you?
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 25, 1997 at 17:36:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trolleys in the Wall Street Journal posted by
Fernando Perez on September 17, 1997 at 21:59:05:
Unfortunately, there are some people around who love to stir the pot.
For the most part relations between BSM and STM are cordial, and there
is much cooperation between the two on operational matters. In recent
years BSM has obtained a carbody from another system which was
identical to Baltimore's semiconvertibles and possibly in better shape
than 5748 which was badly deteriorated from service as a work car. At
the recent ARM convention one Baltimore member expressed his
appreciation for a chance to run our Peter Witt, 6144, at speed on the
line, something impossible at their museum due to their location. A
similar view was expressed by a Minnesota Transp. Museum member re:
our gate car 1267, which like 5748 is a missing item in the hometown
museum. These gentlemen were happy for the experience which is a part
of the chance to "Ride Back into Yesteryear"
BTW the items which 'bloat' STM's collection are mostly things which
noone else wanted, items which would have been destroyed had we not
stepped in. Many have a slim chance of restoration, but the at least
have that chance!
Gerry
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 25, 1997 at 18:21:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Safety Controller on NYC subways and others posted
by Steve on September 21, 1997 at 01:17:46:
Boston equipment used a large version of the cineston controller for
many years. These were different in appearance but consistent in
function and comfort on all cars. The newest Red Line cars (01800s)
are similar to the controller Steve described and are also plagued by
complaints. The LRVs also used a sliding controller, which was better
received but not because of comfort. A correctly adjusted tie-wrap,
appropriately placed, would bypass the dead-man!
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 25, 1997 at 18:28:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: A very Outrageous Claim! posted by Gary Jacobi on
September 18, 1997 at 13:44:02:
If you want to carry this a little further, let's discard the IRT
since that equipment was designed to the same dimensions as the el
cars. Boston, the BMT and Philadelphia all opened subways with cars
designed to take advantage of wider and straighter tunnels, I don't
have all the dates but maybe one of these should get the honors!
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on September 25, 1997 at 19:21:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Another tack - West of Hudson-new schedules posted
by Lou from Middletown on September 24, 1997 at 19:18:03:
Actually, my information did come from the Record. I was wondering
about the updated procedure for adding new trains, which is very
briefly mentioned at the end of the article. If there are to be no
more negotiations, who calls the shots now - NJT or MNR?
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POSTER>lake
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Posted by lake on September 26, 1997 at 04:38:51:
In Reply to: [6]Elimination of conductors on some lines posted by John
M. on September 25, 1997 at 14:52:50:
Look, if the unions are going to press the MTA's noses to the wall (it
costs the MTA at least $2.50 - $4.00 per passenger at night to
transport people thanks to the unions' perks, benefits, whining, and
pay).
Anything that works, screws the unions and saves the MTA money so it
can be plugged into other areas is worth it.
As for the unions, poor babies. go ahead and cry on this one. It would
help if you didn't waste tax payer money by doing two hours worth of
work on an eight hour shift.
P.S. - A question for everybody. Those guys in the notorious hardhats
and reflector vests - do they ever do anything other than sit around
stations and smoke? We should say "Oh, pardon me, were you on an
8-hour break?"
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POSTER>Adam Weiss
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Posted by Adam Weiss on September 26, 1997 at 10:37:56:
In Reply to: [6]Usage of Center Track Segments posted by Julio Perez
on September 25, 1997 at 08:02:54:
I can help answer your question on one of the points listed above. The
express track between Queensboro Plaza (actually it starts just south
of 39th Ave) was once used for an express N train about ten years ago
or so. The express N was in service only for a short while; however I
do not know the exact dates. It travelled on the express track from
Queensboro Plaza to Astoria Blvd. and then to Ditmars Blvd. because
these are the only two stations with an express platform on the
Astoria Line.
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POSTER>Lou From Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou From Brooklyn on September 26, 1997 at 12:15:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by John on September
24, 1997 at 16:16:51:
MTA Staten Island Railway (SIRT) using modified R44's standard set is
4 cars. Then on weekends they went to 2 cars with only one open. But
they found out that just 2 cars couldn't make some of the hills on the
line. Thry are back to a full 4 car set with only one car open.
Some times it is SRO in the one car and no matter the pleading to the
conductor, they will not open a second car. Guess a 2 man crew can't
handle the transportation lift.
The train operator won't open the doors, we have sat in the station
waiting for the conductor to crawl over people from one end of the car
to the other just to open doors.
Maybe smaller train lengths on LIRR can't handle some of the terrain?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 26, 1997 at 12:25:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Lou From Brooklyn on
September 26, 1997 at 12:15:24:
Short consists also may not be able to generate sufficient braking
power. There was a discussion to this effect several months ago on
nyc.transit, dealing with the Franklin Avenue shuttle. Apparently, the
longer the consist, the more the braking power that can be generated -
enough to outweigh the greater braking power required by the heavier
trains.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 26, 1997 at 13:16:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Peter Rosa on
September 26, 1997 at 12:25:47:
Both theories on motive and braking power are flawed. To begin with,
the equipment on each car is essentially identical, which means that
the performance of a train of any length should be identical. Now, if
there is a breakdown, other factors come into play. If a car is
without power, the other cars in the train must pick up the slack. In
a two car train, with one dead car you have lost 50% of your
accelleration and dynamic braking power (in braking the friction
brakes make up the difference, but with increased noise and wear). One
car out of four is 25% and so on down to the 11 car Flushing train
where only 9% is lost. Thus a long train will perform better with a
dead car. When a car is without air brakes, the performance should
differ on the final stop only, if the motors remain in. Again the
short train will suffer the most.
In any case, a train with a dead car should come out of service ASAP,
especially a two car unit where motors or starting/dynamic brake
resistance will suffer greatly from the overload.
As usual, Steve, with his experience closer to home may be able to add
or correct...
Gerry
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 26, 1997 at 14:50:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by Charles Fiori
on September 23, 1997 at 12:50:41:
This is not limited to the Q line. I know that the R-68A's have a "D"
in the yellow circle for the period when the Manhattan Bridge's north
tracks were closed and there were two separate B & D trains operating.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 26, 1997 at 14:50:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by Charles Fiori
on September 23, 1997 at 12:50:41:
This is not limited to the Q line. I know that the R-68A's have a "D"
in the yellow circle for the period when the Manhattan Bridge's north
tracks were closed and there were two separate B & D trains operating.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 26, 1997 at 15:35:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Lou From Brooklyn on
September 26, 1997 at 12:15:24:
With the elimination of the fare on the train, except at St. George,
SIR has gone to 2-man train crews on all trains, and all cars are open
all the time, although late nites only the last car is open.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 26, 1997 at 15:40:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Gerry O'Regan on
September 26, 1997 at 13:16:58:
Actually, most of the LIRR MU's and most NYC subway cars are married
pairs. Thus, a failure of a system on one car causes a second car to
be removed from service. If the air compressor fails on a car in a
married pair in a 10 car train, the effective air braking power of
that train is reduced by 20%, not 10%, Flushing would be 18%, unless
it happens to be the lone R33. Also, with married pairs, both cars are
removed from service, reducing your available capacity (although there
are usually enough cars to cover the service)
-Hank
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 26, 1997 at 16:27:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 26, 1997 at 15:40:10:
Another reason why the LIRR runs seemingly too-long consists might be
third rail gaps. I recall hearing some time ago that Metro-North has
some gaps exceeding two carlengths. Presumably the LIRR also might
have some that long. If so, a two-car MU train that stops in the
"wrong" spot could find itself without any shoes contacting the third
rail.
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on September 26, 1997 at
Greetings!
I know some of you had asked for pictures of the Chicago Els in the
past. Well thanks to the camera of Mark Feinman we now have a whole
slew. Check out [6]Chicago Transit: The CTA.
--Dave
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 27, 1997 at 00:08:35:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR car fire? posted by Peter Rosa on September 25,
1997 at 11:27:25:
I think that car was from an incident which took place in Penn.
Station in April.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 27, 1997 at 00:13:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by John on
September 25, 1997 at 15:33:57:
There are two reasons for the equipment shift:
First: The Q line being only a 'part-time' line currently means that
the R-68A fleet does not accumulate mileage fast enough. On the B
line, they will.
Second: With R-40 equipment on the Q line, station dwell time will be
reduced due to 8 additional door openings per train.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 27, 1997 at 00:21:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 26, 1997 at 15:40:10:
If a compressor fails on a 10 car train of married pair units the
volume of air produced is reduced by 20%. However, since brakepipe air
is trainline, the effective braking remains the same..
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 27, 1997 at 00:35:46:
In Reply to: [6]Swaying LIRR MUs posted by Bill Ruiz on September 25,
1997 at 14:02:13:
I would have to guess that it's the type of suspension that results in
the exaggerated sway on the M-1s and M-3s. The LIRR cars use torsion
bar suspension while the NJT equipment uses traditional bolster and
equalizer spring suspension.
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POSTER>Bill
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Posted by Bill on September 27, 1997 at 08:27:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Elimination of conductors on some lines posted by
lake on September 26, 1997 at 04:38:51:
What color are the hardhats?
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POSTER>Jeff
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Posted by Jeff on September 27, 1997 at 11:15:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Steve on
September 27, 1997 at 00:13:41:
In '94 the R33's used to run on the #5 line and the R26,27,29's ran on
the #2 line. Then all of the sudden they switched. What was the deal
with that? AND doesn't Switching equiptment cause trouble with the
trains? After years of running on the same tracks one would think that
the trains themselves get used to the tracks.
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on September 27, 1997 at 11:15:31:
Hi. How was the BMT DeKalb Ave. reconstruction project (around the
mid-1950's) done, so as to maintain both train operations and street
traffic above? What was done was this: the cross-overs connecting
each platforms' two tracks were moved from the Manhattan-facing side
to the Coney Island-facing side. The platforms were lengthened for
10-car, rather than 8-car, trains. Finally, 2 tracks were added, con-
necting the Brighton line to the platforms' outer tracks, in addition
to their inner track connections. I'd like document ID's on this (&
how to get them), names/s-/e-mail addresses of people who know. My
main interest: how this was done with minimal train disruption. Thx.
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POSTER>Joshua Caesar
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on September 27, 1997 at 20:30:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Usage of Center Track Segments posted by Adam
Weiss on September 26, 1997 at 10:37:56:
I used to live in Astoria. I can name a situation where the center
track was used, but all of the line's station received service. I
think about five or six years ago, the tracks on the N train were
replaced, and Manhattan bound service ran on the center track, with
temporary platforms over the local track. After the track was
replaced, the temporary platforms went up on the Astoria bound side,
and the same work was done.
JC
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 27, 1997 at 20:47:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Jeff on
September 27, 1997 at 11:15:11:
I hope that you're not serious about that. The trains actually like a
change of scenery every now and then. Currently there are:
#2 Line ..... 310 R-33GEs
#5 Line ..... 90 R-26GEs
80 R-28GEs
100 R-29GEs
30 R-33GEs
20 R-62As
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POSTER>Joseph Salvia
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SUBJECT>My Uncle! Charles T. Salvia (Charlie)
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Posted by Joseph Salvia on September 27, 1997 at 21:09:30:
Hi All,
My Uncle Charlie retired from Coney Island Shop over 20 years
ago. He still tells some wonderful stories of the TA and the men
he worked with. He truly loved his work and his job.I know if he knew
I was writing this message he'd say "Best Regards, to all."
Charlie's Nephew,
Joe Salvia
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on September 27, 1997 at 21:10:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Governors Island posted by Peter Rosa on September
25, 1997 at 11:24:32:
Not it they were cut apart and placed there?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 28, 1997 at 00:16:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Steve on
September 27, 1997 at 20:47:27:
The 5 uses R-62As? I never seen them on the 5 - I thought it was a
redbird-only line.
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Posted by subway-buff on September 28, 1997 at 06:51:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by John on
September 28, 1997 at 00:16:50:
Yes- there are R-62A cars on the 5. They are used during rush hours (5
to Flatbush Ave.) and during the OPTO period After rush hour in the am
is over, they store them at 180 yard.(They cut the train at E180.)
I myself have ridden R62A trains on the 5.
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SUBJECT>NJT-Abandoned Stations
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Posted by subway-buff on September 28, 1997 at 06:56:10:
Does anyone have an abandoned station list for NJTs Northeast
Corrdiror. I see a low level platform-quite ornamental though
overgrown just West(South?) of where the PATH storage tracks ends.. AT
SOuth and Burnett Street in Elizabeth -taht is west of the "big ditch"
I see stairs from the street coming up between the outside NY bound
track and the track just to the North of it (between Track A and Track
1.)
When were these abandoned. N Rahway was closed in 1993. Are there
others?
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POSTER>Keranu
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Posted by Keranu on September 28, 1997 at 09:13:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: British Rail Crash posted by Nathan on September
19, 1997 at 16:35:01:
The crash happened on the main intercity line out of London
Paddington. It was in a London suburb called Southall. I guess that
since the only company running trains between Paddington and the West
of England and Wales is Great Western Trains, it must have been that
company. I also know that they reckon the APT wasn't working and that
6 people died. The UK government leapt into action with an enquiry but
that will probably not achieve much. Miracle it wasn't as bad as the
Clapham Junction crash some years ago.
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POSTER>Keranu the Pessimist
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Posted by Keranu the Pessimist on September 28, 1997 at 09:25:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Andrew Huie on
September 16, 1997 at 01:38:50:
Why don't they shut down everything which is vaguely orange-coloured
on the map because that's going to happen at some point anyway. Let's
face it, public transportation in NYC (like everywhere else) is doomed
because of this stupid worship that everyone has of Mr Car.
What else is closing since I last came here, probably a great deal.
What's happened with the J/Z trains (if they still exist) did they
restart the express (I can still dream), I've given up asking about
the N Express and Manhattan Bridge because NONE OF IT WILL EVER
HAPPEN. Everything is so slow to happen. At least in London, they said
they were building the Jubilee line extension and they are FINISHING
IT. Albeit 5 years late but that is still about 300 times faster than
it would've happened in New York. Anyone got the same views as me?
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Posted by Keranu on September 28, 1997 at 09:28:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I know it's not worth it but... posted by sammy on
September 23, 1997 at 04:26:15:
I salute you and agree TOTALLY.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 28, 1997 at 12:46:20:
In Reply to: [5]NJT-Abandoned Stations posted by subway-buff on
September 28, 1997 at 06:56:10:
There's also the Roseville Avenue and Ampere Parkway stops on the
Montclair Line that were abandoned. You have to look really hard to
see the Roseville Avenue stop. From the track level, it is nothing
more than a low-level concrete platform at the point where the
Montclair Line and Morristown lines split. On the street, there is a
boarded-up stairway. The Ampere Parkway station is still intact, but
is in a considerable state of decay. I think the signs are still
there, though.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 28, 1997 at 12:54:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: British Rail Crash posted by Keranu on September
28, 1997 at 09:13:16:
Wasn't there a problem with the APT some years back because they
tilted too much on the curves and were in danger of slicing the side
off of a passing train?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 28, 1997 at 12:59:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Keranu the Pessimist on
September 28, 1997 at 09:25:12:
Here's another idea. During the peak hours, ban all private automobile
from the island of Manhattan to make bus and rail services more
effecient. This will obviusly create World War III, but it's just an
idea.
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Posted by Timothy on September 28, 1997 at 13:47:29:
Of the 5 elevated stations on the West Philadelphia portion of the
Market-
Frankford Line (46th St., 52nd St., 56th St, 60th St., and 63rd St.),
all
have the same design and architecture, except for the 60th St.
station.
As seen from the street, all the stations, except 60th St., have the
original building that surrounds the center platform. Although the
interior
of the buildings were modernized with stainless steel back in the
1980's,
the exteriors still maintain their original character. Even some of
the
original railings still surround the platforms. Unfortunately, all of
the
original stairways have since been replaced, which of course, takes
away
some of the stations' original character. As for the 60th St. station,
it
is totally different. From the street, it looks like the station was
built
using square glass panels, and looks much more modern than the other 4
stations. Can anyone tell me why 60th St. is the only station that's
different? Did something happen to the original 60th St. station, such
as
fire? Were there plans at one time to tear down all of the West
Philadelphia elevated stations, and rebuild them with the design of
60th
St., with 60th St. being the first to have it done? Hope someone can
explain this.
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 28, 1997 at 14:01:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJT-Abandoned Stations posted by John on September
28, 1997 at 12:46:20:
There's also Harrison station on the NJT M&E line just east of the
Passaic River Drawbridge. Two low-level platforms and closed off
stairways to the streets.
I seem to think there were two closed stations in the East Orange cut,
one at the Montclair junction and one other, but it's been a few years
since I rode this line...
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 28, 1997 at 15:19:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: long trains on LIRR posted by Peter Rosa on
September 26, 1997 at 16:27:00:
Third rail gaps would do it - there are a few (noteably Jamcia and
Penn) that are pretty long. Also, most LIRR yards don't have the space
to be moving trains around. Certainly not Port Washington... I was
once told that difficulties moving cars around was why they simply
closed a few cars on the train. Metro North moves trains around all
the time on New Haven, so I tenmd to think it's a space - not
technical problem. But if the train is headed to GCT, it's always 4 or
more cars because of the gaps there. The Danbury (or is it New
Cannan???) train is normaly 2 or 3 cars long...
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Posted by Ted on September 28, 1997 at 15:40:43:
Are there any plans to complete or start the electrification of the
following NJ Transit Lines :
* NJCL , Long Branch to Bay Head
* Boonton Line to Dover ( via the Montclair connection )
* Pascack Valley Line to Spring Valley
* Main / Bergen Lines to Suffern
* Raritan Valley Line to High Bridge
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on September 28, 1997 at 16:05:08:
In Reply to: [6]SEPTA's Market-Frankford Line Stations (West Phila.)
posted by Timothy on September 28, 1997 at 13:47:29:
60th St was the prototype for a modernized el station that could be
used both on the Market St and Frankford ends. It was completed in the
mid-70's, with the work done while the station remained in service
(part of the wooden temporary platforms on the east end of the station
are still there, used as catwalks). Like many things, money ran out
and no others were done. The entire Market St el is now being slated
for replacement and all 5 stations on Market St will be rebuilt in
some form or another.
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POSTER>faxman
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Posted by faxman on September 28, 1997 at 16:17:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NJT-Abandoned Stations posted by David Pirmann on
September 28, 1997 at 14:01:08:
south of newark station there was south st, south elizabeth, north
rahway, and few stations between new brunswick and trenton nj on the
amtrack main line
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POSTER>subway-buff
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Posted by subway-buff on September 28, 1997 at 17:33:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: East New York El Ramp posted by Garfield on
September 13, 1997 at 00:13:18:
I went on the tour of this complex yesterday and asked John Cunningham
about flyover trackway. He advised that while BRT records are
incomplete it seems to be an express track which would have gone as a
higher(upper) level at Alabama Ave. He did not have info on where it
would have gone beyond that station. John also advised of a plan to
simplify the ATlantic Ave Station on the L line by tearing down all
platforms excet for the one island platform at the extreme west side
(closest to the Willy B Bridge)
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POSTER>Timothy
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Posted by Timothy on September 28, 1997 at 19:14:02:
In Reply to: [6]NJ Transit Electrification posted by Ted on September
28, 1997 at 15:40:43:
...and the Atlantic City line between Philadelphia and Atlantic City.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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SUBJECT>Re: LIRR car fire?
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 28, 1997 at 19:15:02:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR car fire? posted by Peter Rosa on September 25,
1997 at 11:27:25:
I dunno, but I HAVE noticed on on the & train, when you pass over the
Sunnyside yards and into Queensboro (?) plaza, there are 6 (!) or so
M-1s that look like there being scrapped. They also look like they've
sat there a while because they've gotten tagged already. Then again,
this being NY... Anyway, does anyone know about these units, are they
junkers, long term storage, being rebuilt into the LIRR's upcomming
new electrics (I've heard rumours that the the M-1's are *finnaly*
being replaced in a few years)??
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: NJ Transit Electrification
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 28, 1997 at 20:11:54:
In Reply to: [6]NJ Transit Electrification posted by Ted on September
28, 1997 at 15:40:43:
I hear the Boonton line (once connected to the Montclair line) will be
electrified to Great Neck in Wayne.
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Posted by CJohn on September 28, 1997 at 20:28:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Jamaica Center Tracks posted by Hank Eisenstein on
September 21, 1997 at 11:34:00:
I don't comprende. Can you PLEASE make a little more sense? Like which
three stations were built in the Archer Extension?
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POSTER>John da Stranger
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Posted by John da Stranger on September 28, 1997 at 20:41:14:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Andrew Huie on
September 16, 1997 at 01:38:50:
Maybe R's should be rerouted along the ababdoned track thaT LEADS TO
THE Manhattan Bridge, Giving them a passage to Coney Island. N's
should go to Bay Ridge by the normal route. The Av of Americas routes
should be scattered. B to Bay Ridge, D to Coney Island via old B
route, F to C.I. by the Brighton Line (Then it has to be rerouted onto
the B/D/Q tunnel while the Q takes the Delancey Street Tunnel)And last
but not least, Q also to C.I. on the current F route. (Following G)
The R should stick to the current Q route.
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Posted by subway-buff on September 28, 1997 at 21:31:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jamaica Center Tracks posted by CJohn on September
28, 1997 at 20:28:19:
The stations are:
Jamaica/Van Wyck on the E. This station is at Jamaica Ave. It is after
the 121 St El station on the J and is underground with a surface
station house, fare control area.
plus two bi-level Stations with E on top and J/z underneath.
--Sutphin Bvld (connects to LIRR Jamaica)
--Jamaica Center (Parsons/Archer)
After leaving 121 St and Jamaica Ave the J/Z enters a tunnel which is
the Archer Ave Extension. I don't know how deep these stations are,
but all have elevators from street to platforms (all levels).
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Posted by John on September 28, 1997 at 21:37:47:
Does anybody know the status of NYC Subway car #7773? I beleive it's
an R-26 that has one of its end doors from an R-21 car. Is this car
still in service?
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on September 28, 1997 at 23:18:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: CTA Visitor Pass Pain posted by BJ on September
25, 1997 at 17:26:45:
Just for fun I tried to buy a visitors pass this week The woman at WH
smith looked at me like I was nuts and the concierge at the Hilton
said he was temporarily out but would have some soon.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 28, 1997 at 23:27:03:
In Reply to: [6]NJ Transit Electrification posted by Ted on September
28, 1997 at 15:40:43:
Wasn't the Main/Bergen Co. lines electrified at some point? Years ago
I remember them using Arrow-type cars which I thought ran on catenary
power, but when I see them now, they appear to be pulled/pushed by
locomotives. If it was electrified, why did they de-electrify it,
instead of converting it like the Morristown line?
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Electrification {was: LIRR Montauk Station Closings(?)}
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 29, 1997 at 00:18:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Electrification {was: LIRR Montauk Station
Closings(?)} posted by Daniel A. Valles on September 24, 1997 at
19:17:31:
Unlikely, many of the non-electrified portions of the LIRR simply do
not have have enough passengers to warrant it. A good example is the
Ronkonkoma Branch east of Ronkonkoma.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on September 29, 1997 at 01:22:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Keranu the Pessimist on
September 28, 1997 at 09:25:12:
AMEN TO THAT! I think the real reason they are taking so long with the
Manhattan B. reconstruction, is that they are a bunch of incompetant
boobs who don't want to deal with the problem. They figure, hey, if we
procrastinate long enough, the general public will forget the N train
used to run express on Broadway, via the MB, then we won't have to
restore it. Never mind that they could have built a whole new bridge 3
times over by now. No, 1 rivet a day is enough. In fact they are doing
such a wonderful job "reconstructing" the bridge that they forgot to
MAINTAIN those sections. Rust stains are now plainly visible from the
street, when before, even at its worst it didn't look this bad. Now,
after years of incompetance, let's just say the project is hopeless
before anyone starts probing. Then they can get rid of the B/D/Q, and
turn the trackways into roadways, thus neatly "solving" their problem.
Their replacements? Either buses, or overstuffing the existing
tunnels. A new, 4-track tunnel might seem like common sense, but the
way these boobs work, I'll be collecting social security (30+ years
best case), or dead of old age (expected case).
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on September 29, 1997 at 07:21:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: East New York El Ramp posted by subway-buff on
September 28, 1997 at 17:33:12:
Did you ask Cunningham if he is ever going to reprint his excellent
triple book series on NYC transit?
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SUBJECT>Re: Changes on the N Physical Layout
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Posted by subway-buff on September 29, 1997 at 08:35:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Changes on the N Physical Layout posted by Chris
on September 25, 1997 at 11:04:27:
One correctable problem exists on the N line, if they will make it a
three track. At locations where the tracks enter a station on the open
cut section- the street bridge has four archways- one for each track
with a concrete wall between each track. Either they will keep one of
the two express tracks and leave the "trackway" of the other or they
would have to rebuild the station entrances-not impossible either way.
There are other inmstances of reduced trackage with a decaying
"fossil" of a track such as the A Rockaway line.
(The other open cut subway- D/Q also has the arched station entrances
but to my knowledge there is no plan to reduce trackage.)
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: NJ Transit Electrification
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 29, 1997 at 09:42:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJ Transit Electrification posted by Andrew Huie
on September 28, 1997 at 23:27:03:
The Ex-Erie lines were never electrified. There are some old Arrow I
(which were electric MU cars) that were rebuilt into "Comet" coaches
which now have the designation Comet IB (5155-5169, 5220-5234). Maybe
this is what you remember. These were converted in 1987.
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Posted by Howard on September 29, 1997 at 10:20:18:
Does anybody know about the track level platforms on PATH after
Newark, they are not used in passenger service. They are very close
together, maybe a few hundred feet apart.
My second question is about the NYC buses, when their engines start,
it sounds like a elephant is dying. Why do they make this strange,
loud sound?
I hope somebody can answer these questions for me.
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Posted by Howard on September 29, 1997 at 10:20:31:
Does anybody know about the track level platforms on PATH after
Newark, they are not used in passenger service. They are very close
together, maybe a few hundred feet apart.
My second question is about the NYC buses, when their engines start,
it sounds like a elephant is dying. Why do they make this strange,
loud sound?
I hope somebody can answer these questions for me.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on September 29, 1997 at 11:59:01:
In Reply to: [5]Car #7773 posted by John on September 28, 1997 at
21:37:47:
I don't recall seeing #7773 lately, but I'm sure it's doing its' duty
on the #5 line. Yes, it has a end door from the R-21/22
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 29, 1997 at 12:18:45:
In Reply to: [6]Long LIRR trains... posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 28, 1997 at 15:19:54:
Third rail gaps would not be an issue for Metro-North trains on the
Danbury or New Canaan branches. Electric power on the New Canaan
branch is supplied by overhead catenaries. Gaps could be a problem for
rush hour trains on this branch, however, as many of them run into
Grand Central. During the off-hours the trains run as shuttles between
Stamford and New Haven. The Danbury branch is not electrified; as far
as I know, off-hour trains to Danbury use only two coaches.
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POSTER>Christopher Roman
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Posted by Christopher Roman on September 29, 1997 at 13:10:30:
I was wondering if anyone could send me a detailed explaination on the
tuneel on 63rd Street.. If you have illistrations, that wouldbe
helpful. I'm building a new layout with the Bahn software that is
going to knock the socks off of people.. Whatever information is
provided, you will be metioned in the credits..PROMISE!
Thank You
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on September 29, 1997 at 13:51:05:
nyc dot has begun taking delivery of 1997 orion buses. They are going
to the private franchised companies.Command bus is getting cngs, while
some others are regular orion 5s.
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POSTER>Russ
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Posted by Russ on September 29, 1997 at 14:00:59:
Anyone know anything about a Mr. Lawler from the MTA that is on
assignment to consult at the TTC Control Center? He seems like a very
knowlegdable person who knows his transit (subway) stuff. Not looking
for dirt, just interested in what he did at the MTA.
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POSTER>Russ
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Posted by Russ on September 29, 1997 at 14:03:18:
In Reply to: [6]Nyc Transit posted by Howard on September 29, 1997 at
10:20:31:
They are air start starters on those buses. They howl as copressed air
is forced into the starter motor and fire up!
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 29, 1997 at 14:47:33:
In Reply to: [6]BMT DeKalb Ave. Station Reconstruction in the 1950's
posted by Mike Rothenberg on September 27, 1997 at 11:15:31:
Somewhere in there the big change was missed. The crossovers which
originally tied the DeKalb Station to the Manhattan Bridge were
replaced with a grade separated junction, allowing trains on either
pair of bridge tracks to reach either the express or local tracks
through DeKalb and then either the Brighton or Fourth Av. lines south
of there, without crossing the tracks of an opposing train. Myrtle Av.
Station was wiped out in the process with only the northbound platform
remaining. This was the real disruptive portion of the project. The
various tie-ins (if any) south of Dekalb Av. were minor compared to
the bridge approach work, and were mostly accomplished within existing
spaces.
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POSTER>Doug of Boston
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Posted by Doug of Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
The Blue Line in Boston runs underground using 3rd rail power. In the
last station before the line goes to ground level, power is switched
to catenary for the remainder of the line.
Does anyone know if any other subway line has this same type of
arrangement?
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POSTER>subway-buff
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Posted by subway-buff on September 29, 1997 at 18:54:05:
In Reply to: [6]Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Doug of
Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
I don't know if you'd exactly call it a subway, but Metro North's New
Haven Line starts as 3rd rail from Grand Central to North fo NYC then
it changes to Caternary where the Amtrak tracks join. From Grand
Central to near 125, the tracks are in a tunnel under Park Avenue
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Posted by subway-buff on September 29, 1997 at 18:54:22:
In Reply to: [6]Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Doug of
Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
I don't know if you'd exactly call it a subway, but Metro North's New
Haven Line starts as 3rd rail from Grand Central to North of NYC then
it changes to Caternary where the Amtrak tracks join. From Grand
Central to near 125, the tracks are in a tunnel under Park Avenue
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 29, 1997 at 18:58:45:
In Reply to: [5]Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Doug of
Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
Yes,the Skokie Swift line in Chicago does exactly that.Its a short
line and the Dempster(Skokie) end of the line is overhead caternary
and the Howard end (Evanston/Rogers Park...before you transfer to
Howard/95th or Evanston Express trains) its third rail power.Im pretty
positive about this but i might have missed a detail.
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on September 29, 1997 at 19:11:19:
Are all of Boston's subway lines a different gauge, or can trains from
certain lines run interchangeably?
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on September 29, 1997 at 19:26:22:
In Reply to: [6]MTA personnel at TTC posted by Russ on September 29,
1997 at 14:00:59:
Mr. Joe Lawler was the General Superintendent (Rapid transit
Operations)
for District 5. His responsibilities included the day to day
operations on the A and C lines.
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POSTER>Bryan Laaaaaaaayne
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SUBJECT>Re: orion buses
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Posted by Bryan Laaaaaaaayne on September 29, 1997 at 20:35:56:
In Reply to: [5]orion buses posted by trolleybus on September 29, 1997
at 13:51:05:
Will the new Orion 5's replace some of the MCI Classics?
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 29, 1997 at 21:15:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by
subway-buff on September 29, 1997 at 18:54:22:
Yep - it's right after Mount Vernon on the way up. The switch it from
700 (?) V DC to 12 - 15k AC, so it not only switches transmission
systems, but electric system too!! I don't think either the CTA or the
T lines do that ( but I could be wrong). Incendently, the train does
this on the fly - and moving. In other words, you don't even notice it
(unless there's a problem of course)
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POSTER>Philip E. Dominguez
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SUBJECT>Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
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Posted by Philip E. Dominguez on September 29, 1997 at 21:30:35:
The R-40/R-68 switchover has been taking place over the past 3 months.
The new roster for the B/N/Q is:
(B Line)-All R-68a's
(N Line)R-68's,3 R-40's, R-32's
(Q Line)1 R-68/R-68a and the rest R-40's
The 2000's(R-68's) that were on the Q were re-assigned to the D and
N line.
About 2 weeks ago the Roster was
(B line)-5 R-68a's,R-40's note: on weekend more R-68's than 40's
(Q line)-some R-68's,some R-68a's
(N Line)-some R-68's,some 32's, 3 R-40's
Post your comments on the switch-over.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on September 29, 1997 at 22:13:52:
In Reply to: [6]Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Doug of
Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
I don't know about subway lines, but at least one commuter rail line -
Metro-North's New Haven line - uses both third rail and catenary
power.
From Grand Central Terminal to the Pelham-New Rochelle area, the line
uses third rail (the same as Metro-North's Harlem and Hudson lines).
It then switches over to catenary, about where the Amtrak line joins,
and uses catenary to New Haven (and also on the New Canaan branch).
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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SUBJECT>Re: NJT-Abandoned Stations
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on September 30, 1997 at 03:01:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJT-Abandoned Stations posted by faxman on
September 28, 1997 at 16:17:35:
Re: the Roseville Station. As I grew up in Roseville, I recall there
was a very handsome passenger/freight station there on Seventh Avenue
and Ninth Street, and a neat looking switching tower a block away on
Roseville Ave., next to the White Diamond hamburger joint. We moved
out in '67 after the riots, and it seemed like it wasn't long before
the trains started skipping Roseville. (The station was soon pulled
down, and the tower was burned down).
Re: North Rahway. Built, I guess, mainly to serve employees of the
adjacent Merck Co., this little "wide spot in the road" also has many
memories. My folks bought a house half a block away from it, and I
spent many summer nights sitting there plucking the guitar while the
trains sped by. I was sorry to hear it had closed.
Don't mean to sound like John-Boy Walton, but the topic struck a
chord.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 30, 1997 at 06:40:16:
In Reply to: [6]Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's posted
by Philip E. Dominguez on September 29, 1997 at 21:30:35:
Well, I always liked to ride between cars, and the slat 40's are the
BEST cars for this. I like them better, ugly or not, for the bench
seats and 'vintage' appearance.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 30, 1997 at 06:46:26:
In Reply to: [6]Nyc Transit posted by Howard on September 29, 1997 at
10:20:31:
I don't know about PATH, but the reason for the loud noise from the TA
bus is they start the buses by forcing compressed air into the
cylanders (how do you spell that?) until the engine turns itself over.
(called 'air start')
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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SUBJECT>Re: Jamaica Center Tracks
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 30, 1997 at 07:06:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jamaica Center Tracks posted by subway-buff on
September 28, 1997 at 21:31:05:
The Jamacia-Van Wyck station actually has skylights that front the Van
Wyck Expressway.
-Hank
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 07:18:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Bryan
Layne on September 29, 1997 at 18:58:45:
The line only has 2 stops--its two terminals. It switches to
catenary--on the fly--once it turns north and joins the old North
Shore mainline, where it is traveling at grade. Also, at the Wilson
Station on the Howard line, there are remnants of the old catenary.
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POSTER>George
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SUBJECT>Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
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Posted by George on September 30, 1997 at 09:02:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 30, 1997 at 06:40:16:
I never considered the R-40 Slant ugly. In fact as a child I had never
seen them without the grafted bars and gates. So it always looked
"better" with them. Without them as I had seen in pictures they look
plain. It's akin to seeing someone with glasses all your life and then
they get contacts. It takes some adjusting. Anyway I still find the
R-40S more actractive than those oversized tuna cans they call subway
car (R-44 and up). At least there was some concept of design instead
of a glorified copy of the PATH Trains. Its a shame about placing all
R-68's on the B-line since we will no longer get to look outside the
front window thanks to the foolish idea of OPTO-ready full cabs.
Contrary to what alot of people think the Westend Line is a more
enjoyable ride than the Brighton Line. Just the ride between 36th St.
and 9th Avenue makes it worthwill.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 09:11:20:
In Reply to: [5]MTA personnel at TTC posted by Russ on September 29,
1997 at 14:00:59:
I used to work with Joe Lawler when I worked for the VP&GM of Rapid
Transit's office (Charles Kalkhof) back in 1981-82. He knew his
dispatching and movement of equipment, that's for sure. I remember one
time there was a massive bottleneck at the Main St.-Flushing terminal
on the 7 line. As you may know, that line runs on a paper-thin headway
anyway. When the interlocking machine controlling the approach to the
terminal went out one rush hour, he and a colleague did a tremendous
job moving service in and out of the station. I remember that the late
John Simpson, who ran the TA at the time gave Joe a personal
commendation because of the nature of his effort. Joe is certainly top
shelf!!!!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 09:15:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by Wayne Johnson
on September 26, 1997 at 14:50:41:
If I can get the time, I will provide a list of the readings on the
sign. There are some interesting ones, to be sure. Let me know if you
are interested in anything else along these lines. (no pun intended)
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 30, 1997 at 11:43:22:
In Reply to: [5]BMT DeKalb Ave. Station Reconstruction in the 1950's
posted by Mike Rothenberg on September 27, 1997 at 11:15:31:
I began attending High School in that general area in 1957, and I
believe the reconstruction was just finishing up. My recollection is
superficial because I rode the IND, not the BMT. However, I am fairly
sure that Flatbush Avenue was NOT dug up at all during that time
period.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 30, 1997 at 12:27:04:
In Reply to: [6]Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Doug of
Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
Yes, the Skokie Swift in Chicago (also known as the CTA Yellow line)
switches from third rail to catenary at speed about 1/3 of the way out
of
Howard.
--Mark
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SUBJECT>Re: orion buses roster info
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Posted by christopher on September 30, 1997 at 12:53:30:
In Reply to: [6]orion buses posted by trolleybus on September 29, 1997
at 13:51:05:
Do you have any roster info--numbers,model numbers,,serial
numbers,,etc
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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SUBJECT>Re: Boston subway lines
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 30, 1997 at 12:57:22:
In Reply to: [6]Boston subway lines posted by ~airplane on September
29, 1997 at 19:11:19:
All Boston's Rapid Transit & Streetcar Lines are 4' 8-1/2 inch gauge
which is the traditional standard.
However, loading guage and tunnel clearances restrict
interchangability of equipment.
Red Line equipment is 69' 3" long and over 10' wide but the loading
guage is 9' 6".
Orange Line Equipment is 65' long, 9' 4" wide with an 8' 10" loading
gauge.
Blue Line Equipment is 48' long and the same width as Orange Line
equipment, however the floor height on the Blue Line is lower.
Cars bulge out above the floor in each case to take advantage of
generous tunnel clearances.
This means that Orange Line and Blue line equipment will both fit on
the Red Line and has in the past (Orange Line equipment carried
passengers 1917 to 1919 with gap fillers, Blue Line equipment for
maintenance 1924 to 1952.
Past Blue Line equipment (straight sides) would fit on the Orange Line
but present day equipment might scrape platforms due to lower floor.
AFAIK this has never been done.
No equipment from the Red or Orange Lines would fit on Blue Line due
to low tunnel roof and curves.
Origins
Tremont Street Subway opened 1897 for streetcars.
Original Elevated opened 1901 with 46' cars to fit Tremont Street
Subway clearances. When Washington St. Tunnel opened in 1908, length
restriction on Orange Line increased to 55' but cars were not built to
this spec until 1957. After Charlestown El closed in 1975, maximum
went to 65' length of present cars. Maximum length increased again
after Washington St. El closed in 1987, but longer cars are unlikely
since station platforms are designed for six 65' cars.
Cambridge Subway (Red Line) opened in 1912 with platforms designed for
four 69'3" cars. Clearances were sufficient to allow 75' cars as in
SOAC demo, but platforms were not extended until the 1980s and then
for six car trains of existing equipment. All extensions have been
designed for existing equipment.
The East Boston Tunnel also was designed for streetcars, and all
streetcars designed from 1905 to 1917 were designed for use in the
tunnel. In 1924 the line was converted to high platform. The cars in
use since then are actually smaller in some ways than the streetcars
they replaced. This was due to the ad hoc nature of the platforms, and
the need to clear various curves. Sharp curves at State, Government
Center and Bowdoin still limit car length. Bowdoin will be dropped as
a stop when platforms at other stations are extended for six car
trains due to lack of space for a platform extension. Clearances on
more recent extensions are more generous.
Hope this is helpful to understanding our disjoint system.
Gerry
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Posted by John on September 30, 1997 at 13:01:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
posted by George on September 30, 1997 at 09:02:18:
Guys, guys, guys, you're missing the bigger picture here. Nobody said
the R-40s are being removed from service - they're just being
relocated. You can still ride them on the Q, N, and the L. LIGHTEN
UP!! Once they're removed from service, then we can whine, but for
now, let's just be grateful for what we have!
Truthfully, though, over the past few years, whenever anybody said "B
Train", it often conjured up the image of an R-40 train, but now we
can apply that same thought to the "Q Train".
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 30, 1997 at 13:11:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Boston subway lines posted by Gerry O'Regan on
September 30, 1997 at 12:57:22:
I've also noticed that the Blue Line trains are so short (four cars
long, if I remember right), and so are the stations. How come the
stations were never lengthened to accomidate longer trains? Doesn't
this create a serious problem during the rush hours? Another thing - I
definately like the older trains on the Red Line than the new ones!. I
just think those trains are too tacky - the electronic signs, the
electronic conductor - I hope the R-142s aren't going to be like that!
If they are, I'll never ride the New York City subway again!
The trolley cars are nice, though - I enjoy riding in those, but I
never had the chance to ride in a PCC car on the Green Line.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on September 30, 1997 at 13:14:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by
subway-buff on September 29, 1997 at 18:54:22:
Metro-North ain't no subway!
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Posted by aaron on September 30, 1997 at 13:16:47:
In Reply to: [6]Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Doug of
Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
There used to be an interesting situation in Chicago. Before the
Mid-70s,
the Evanston (now Purple line) was third rail only to the South Blvd
station, then trolley pole and wire the rest of the way to Linden.
When one-car OPTO trains were running, the motorman had to go to the
back of the
car and raise the trolley pole before continuing north. When two and
four
car trains ran, the conductor raised the poles, one for each two car
unit.
Any cars left from the 1-50 series probably still show some signs of
the
trolley pole mounting on their roofs and front ends.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: orion buses
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 13:19:11:
In Reply to: [5]orion buses posted by trolleybus on September 29, 1997
at 13:51:05:
Today's (9/30) NY Daily News, available on-line, carries a story about
the purchase by NYC of New Flyers vs. Orions. Seems a little tempest
in a teapot is brewing...
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 15:13:44:
In Reply to: [5]My Uncle! Charles T. Salvia (Charlie) posted by Joseph
Salvia on September 27, 1997 at 21:09:30:
Was he any relation to Dan Salvia, who was very senior in the Car
Maintenance Dept. back in the late 70s-early 80s???
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 15:19:31:
Anyone have any idea why the Path conductors and train operators
basically operate from the same car?? Why do the conductors not work
from the middle of the train, as on the CTA??? Also, why did they
remove the 'R' designation from those cars that had been rebuilt??
Prob. because it did not matter anymore??
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 30, 1997 at 15:29:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Boston subway lines posted by John on September
30, 1997 at 13:11:08:
The Blue Line is presently being adapted for six car trains. In the
old days there was no problem, since headways were very short.
Recently the signal system has had a time light explosion, slowing
down the trip and thus lengthening the headways.
At present there is a bus shuttle between Wood Island and Downtown on
weekends to allow the platform lengthening to go forward. At Maverick
this means just moving some non-structural walls as this station has
unused space west of the existing island platform. At Aquarium it
means extending the station vault westward. This is being done in
conjunction with the Big Dig and requires the platform extensions to
be under the depressed Central Artery and above the provision for a
north-south rail link. At State the extensions will be eastward due to
a sharp curve just west of the station. The work will be cut & cover
here as the line is just barely sub-surface. At Government Center the
extension will use existing low level platform space west of the
existing high island platform, and like Maverick will not require any
structural changes. A long closed entrance and mezzanine at the west
end of Government Center will be reactivated to serve patrons who now
use Bowdoin. This will be at the former intersection of Tremont Row
and Hanover St., just beyond where the Green Line turns off to the
northeast above. As I mentioned earlier, Bowdoin will be permanently
closed since its island platform is too close to the loop to be
extended westward, and already quite narrow at the east end.
Converting to outside platforms would be too disruptive, require a
curve within the station and be prohibitively expensive.
As for the new Red Line Cars, it would be nice if the same disembodied
voice was used for an entire announcement, and if the voice had a
Boston accent:-). However as someone who suffered the 01400s for their
entire career, and who never had much love for the 01500-01700 series,
I like the 01800s, which do BTW have a human guard (conductor), (he
just doesn't have to do announcements) and are the only cars on the
line which not only have an unobstructed railfan's window but also a
seat next to it:-).
RE: the PCCs on the Green Line, just imagine over 100 people packed
into one of those, and aside from the lucky 45 in seats, the remainder
packed within arms reach of the doors. The LRVs and Type 7s take a
crowd better dur to better door spacing.
Gerry
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH Operations
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 30, 1997 at 16:21:06:
In Reply to: [6]PATH Operations posted by Charles Fiori on September
30, 1997 at 15:19:31:
In one situation, the PATH conductor needs to be in the first car. A
Newark-World Trade Center train (8 cars) is too long for the eastbound
platform at Exchange Place, so the conductor does not open the front
car. From the first car, the "front half" of the train is 1 car, and
the "back half" is 7 cars.
At other stations it doesn't really matter but they stay near the
front so they can see that train isn't up too far. If you look at the
platforms near the end you'll see "7-7-7-7-7" or "8-8-8-8-8" etc.
painted on the platform.
All the PA-class cars are interoperable so the R designations were
removed. The "R"s on the outside of the cars were recently covered up
with PATH logo stickers but you can still see them inside.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 17:08:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH Operations posted by David Pirmann on
September 30, 1997 at 16:21:06:
David, thank you. Worrying about that means I probably have way too
much time on my hands!!! As you may notice, I am a regular visitor and
enjoy the forum.
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POSTER>Howard
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SUBJECT>Full Cabs
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Posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at 17:29:06:
Does anybody know why they cover the windows of full length cabs?
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Posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at 17:29:15:
Does anybody know why they cover the windows of full length cabs?
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POSTER>Howard
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Posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at 18:03:39:
Does anybody know how to get to the abandoned SIRTOA Arlington
station?
Why are the tearing up the the old trackway? They are digging a deep
ditch. Does anyone know what is going on there?
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Posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at 18:03:47:
Does anybody know how to get to the abandoned SIRTOA Arlington
station?
Why are the tearing up the the old trackway? They are digging a deep
ditch. Does anyone know what is going on there?
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POSTER>Philip E.Dominguez
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SUBJECT>Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
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Posted by Philip E.Dominguez on September 30, 1997 at 18:43:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
posted by John on September 30, 1997 at 13:01:02:
The R-40's life will be extended because of this move. why?
Because they will not be running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Also for that pacfic st.-36th. street ride take a N-line R-32 or R-40.
-Phil
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 30, 1997 at 18:46:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Another tack - West of Hudson-new schedules posted
by ~airplane on September 25, 1997 at 19:21:37:
I always assume that the contract between M-N and NJT is pretty
specific in its terms as afar as schedules and such is concerned.No t
actually knowing the machinations that goes on on these negotiations,
one could only guess! I would assume that M-N calls alot of the shots,
however, they pay NJT quite a bit in money and equipment to run this!
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POSTER>Allan
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Posted by Allan on September 30, 1997 at 19:40:04:
In Reply to: [5]Full Cabs posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at
17:29:15:
On some outdoor lines (Brighton, Sea Beach etc) any bright sunlight
coming in from behind the train operator position causes glare to
refelect off the Train operaors vision glass panel making it
impossible to see
This is particularly true during the early morning hours when the sun
is coming up and in that later hours when the sun is going down.
I had a chance to ride the R-68's when they were forst put in
passenger service on the D line. You had representatives from the TA
and the builders as well and as soon as we hit an open area on the
Brighton line - the glare appeared.
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Posted by ~airplane on September 30, 1997 at 20:53:36:
Metro-North placed an order today with Bombardier for 50 new cars.
Details at [6]
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SUBJECT>Re: MNR order - With the URL this time
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Posted by ~airplane on September 30, 1997 at 20:54:59:
In Reply to: [6]MNR order posted by ~airplane on September 30, 1997 at
20:53:36:
The URL got cut off on the original message. Head to
http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/97/09/30/y0001_y00_2.html .
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Posted by steven m. klein on September 30, 1997 at 21:13:56:
does anyone know if there were any elevated trains in harlem during
the early to mid 1940's and were any close to harlem hospital? what
subway train would one have taken to get from harlem hospital to long
island?
thanks in advance
steven
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 30, 1997 at 22:30:06:
In Reply to: [6]Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Doug of
Boston on September 29, 1997 at 18:11:37:
Does any RR besides metro north run equipment that uses dual
electrifications???
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 30, 1997 at 22:32:27:
Does Slamtrak, NJT or Septa still use 25 cycle 11kv overhead power
anymore?? I'm asking this because I've heard that some trackage around
Penn heading to New Haven might still be 25 cycle 11kv, but I thought
all of the NEC was moved to 60 cycle in the 80's....
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on September 30, 1997 at 23:29:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by aaron on
September 30, 1997 at 13:16:47:
Skokie swift still uses 3rd rail from howard st then uses cantanary
for the rest of the line. This is the last piece of the north shore
remaining in service. CTA cars 1-50 are in work service now have not
seen if they still have overhead ploes of cantanary
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on September 30, 1997 at 23:41:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by
subway-buff on September 29, 1997 at 18:54:22:
Does AMTRAK still change to Diesel at New Haven or is it Electric all
the way to Boston now??
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 01, 1997 at 00:26:51:
In Reply to: [6]Full Cabs posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at
17:29:15:
The rule is that the 'crew door glass' on R-44 through R-68A cars can
not be covered. The glass is polarized and only permits light to pass
within 10 - 12 degrees of perpendicular. If installed properly, there
is no glare in the cab.
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on October 01, 1997 at 01:49:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: BMT DeKalb Ave. Station Reconstruction in the
1950's posted by Gerry O'Regan on September 29, 1997 at 14:47:33:
I want to thank Gerry for correcting my original posting: the cross-
overs were eliminated and replaced by different switch arrangements
at the other end of both platforms, so both tracks at each platform
would be accessable to Brighton & 4th Ave. trains. My main interest
is the construction strategy that allowed train operations to go un-
impeded most of the time, during construction & tie-in. For example,
(1) how were the Coney Island-side parts of the platforms & adjacent
tunnels renovated to create openings that allowed the switches to be
installed, and (2) how were the 2 new Brighton access tracks built &
connected to the outer tracks, all with minimal train disruption?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 01, 1997 at 08:04:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Joe M on
September 30, 1997 at 23:41:10:
Don't know, but you might want to check out Amtrak's schedules on the
web and see if they still have that layover at New Haven to facilitate
the changeover.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 01, 1997 at 08:08:46:
They're calling it light rail, but today's NY Daily News is reporting
that an agreement has finally been reached to begin construction of
the project. Messrs. Pataki and Giuliani, with plenty of ten-foot pole
marks in each of them, made nice and signed on the dotted line.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 01, 1997 at 08:19:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Catenary - 3rd Rail Combination posted by Joe M on
September 30, 1997 at 23:41:10:
Yes, they still have to change over. An electrification project
between New Haven and Boston is underway but not yet complete.
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POSTER>The Truth
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Posted by The Truth on October 01, 1997 at 08:55:08:
In Reply to: [5]Full Cabs posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at
17:29:06:
This way the train operator can smoke without being seen. If this
wasn't so then the new polarized glass ones wouldn't be covered up.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 01, 1997 at 12:35:26:
In Reply to: [6]JFK Airport Service posted by Charles Fiori on October
01, 1997 at 08:08:46:
The train to the plane part II??
Here's the article from
[7]
Today's New York Daily News.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 01, 1997 at 12:36:28:
In Reply to: [6]JFK Airport Service posted by Charles Fiori on October
01, 1997 at 08:08:46:
The train to the plane part II??
Here's the article from
[7]
Today's New York Daily News.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 01, 1997 at 12:37:38:
In Reply to: [6]JFK Airport Service posted by Charles Fiori on October
01, 1997 at 08:08:46:
I'm having a bad browser day .....
Here's the article from
[7]
Today's New York Daily News.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 01, 1997 at 12:53:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Boston subway lines posted by Gerry O'Regan on
September 30, 1997 at 15:29:03:
Gerry ... excellent description of the "disjointed" Boston system.
> the 01800s ...are the only cars on the line which not only have an >
unobstructed railfan's window but also a seat next to it:-).
I guess MBTA decided to follow my recommendation to have a railfan
window/seat :))
When is the Bowdoin station expected to close as a result of the
platform lengthening project?
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on October 01, 1997 at 13:09:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Keranu the Pessimist on
September 28, 1997 at 09:25:12:
To All of you who think the subway system is going into the pits, I
think you had better look at it from another angle. The system still
operates 24 hours a day. We now have free bus to subway transfers. I
will admit, our technology is extremely outdated. Things do happen,
but MTA New York City subway is not as horrble as some people over
dramitize about. In closing, if you know another way to get from the
Tottenville SI TO 241 St in the bronx for 1.50 please feel free to let
me know. These bridges are in a state of disrepair and decay, but
there are alternate ways of getting to your destination.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 01, 1997 at 13:40:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: JFK Airport Service (ignore my other posts) posted
by Mark S Feinman on October 01, 1997 at 12:37:38:
" Change at Jamaica " The more things change, the more they remain the
same!
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 01, 1997 at 13:46:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Airport Service (ignore my other posts) posted
by Gary Jacobi on October 01, 1997 at 13:40:13:
Changing at Jamaica shouldn't be a problem *if* the changes are the
cross-platform types like the LIRR uses at rush hour. But if the
changes aren't properly coordinated, at trips up and down the platform
stairs are required, I suspect the service won't be as popular.
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POSTER>Michael S. Buglak
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 01, 1997 at 14:02:17:
Here in Philly there is an apartment complex (Park Towne Place) that
runs a shuttle service to/from Center City, using a Grumman Flxible
870. Today I saw on the top rear of the bus the remmants of a number,
"1202".
I know that NJT has had similar 870s numbered in the 1200-series for
many years. Does someone know if NJT has begun disposing of these
Flxibles now that they have the NovaBUS RTSes? If so, are they being
sold or scrapped?
THe Park Towne Place bus does look like it could have been originally
NJT-specifications.
Any info on this bus would be much appreciated. Thanks!
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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POSTER>Bill
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Posted by Bill on October 01, 1997 at 14:08:21:
In Reply to: [5]SIRTOA posted by Howard on September 30, 1997 at
18:03:47:
They are suppose to be rebuilding that RR bridge to NJ and building a
spur track to that new recycling plant in Travis. I don't know if that
is related to the construction that's going on overthere now.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 01, 1997 at 14:44:07:
In Reply to: [5]25 cycle overhead??? posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 30, 1997 at 22:32:27:
The entire NE Corridor is 12KV 25HZ. The voltage was kicked up but not
yhe frequency. Possibly the Boston electrification will be 25KV 60 HZ.
The AEM's, E-60's and all MU's are built for automatic voltage
changes. If the NEC ever goes 25KV the tunnels (Hudson and Baltimore)
will be 13.KV because if possible arcing to car roofs at 25 KV.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 01, 1997 at 14:59:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by Dan Lawrence on
October 01, 1997 at 14:44:07:
That's weird. I know Metro North's stuff *IS* 60 cycle - because they
changed it after the GG-1s were finally retired. I guess NJT is still
25. That would explain the *big* power gap on the way to the Hells
Gate bridge (though that's really Amtrak there). Of course modern AC
locos are rectifoers anyway, so they can care less.
Since the NEC is 25c, I doubt it would happen, but I'd *love* (and I'm
sure many others would) to see a GG-1 run. It's one of few things I've
always wanted to see, but was born too late for...
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 01, 1997 at 15:13:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: JFK Airport Service posted by Mark S Feinman on
October 01, 1997 at 12:35:26:
Forbidden? Just what were you trying to put a link to, Mark? . . . . .
. . .
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 01, 1997 at 15:17:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on October 01, 1997 at 14:59:50:
There was a bunch of GG1s stored near the NEC tracks in Harrison about
ten years ago, but they suddenly vanished . . .
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Posted by Pete Delgado on October 01, 1997 at 15:22:43:
I am looking for a book published by a government commission around
1914-1918 that describes the grade crossing illiminations in Brooklyn
on the Manhattan Beach & Bay Ridge divisions of the LIRR. I have seen
the book in the Brooklyn Historical Society but I would like to fond a
copy to purchase.
Thanks,
Pete
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 01, 1997 at 15:40:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by John on October 01,
1997 at 15:17:03:
As you probably know, there's one GG1 in Hoboken, NJ (#4877). It's in
the New Jersey Transit yard and clearly visible from Observer Hwy,
which paralells the yard.
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POSTER>H. Jonny
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Posted by H. Jonny on October 01, 1997 at 16:09:21:
Does anybody know why the North Shore branch and South Beach branch of
SIRTOA has been abandoned?
I noticed that the location of the North Shore branch is located in a
desolated area away from any major location. Is this why it was closed
down? Is there any passage I can use to get on to the trackway?
By the way, where is the SIRTOA control towers located?
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POSTER>Ken Sofio
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Posted by Ken Sofio on October 01, 1997 at 16:53:46:
Due to a late afternoon meeting, I will be rushing up to Yankee
Stadium tomorrow evening around 7pm from NJ. I figured my best bet
would be to either take the Tunnel into the Port or the Path into
Manhattan. Which is the quickest (use term loosely) subway line that
can get me up to 161st street - the D, C or 4?
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Posted by subway-buff on October 01, 1997 at 17:04:22:
In Reply to: [6]Yankee Stadium posted by Ken Sofio on October 01, 1997
at 16:53:46:
Take the PATH 33rd street train. Follow the signs to the D train which
will be on the inside or express track. The sign is an orange
background with a white D in the circle. Get off the D at 161 Yankee
Stadiuma nd follow the crowd to see the Yanks win.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 01, 1997 at 17:35:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on October 01, 1997 at 14:59:50:
Don't feel too bad about not seeing a GG-1 run. They were great to
watch, but the noise and motion was not really an important part of
the experience. How much a single unit could accomplish was amazing,
but a still photo or movie (video?) conveys it well enough.
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on October 01, 1997 at 18:27:24:
In Reply to: [6]NJT 1200-series Grumman Flxible 870s posted by Michael
S. Buglak on October 01, 1997 at 14:02:17:
I've seen it, too. I would suspect it's ex-NJT.
The other apartment complexes also have new buses, with one (a 35-ft
RTS owned by South Jersey Coach) for 2601 Parkway, and the other (a
40-ft RTS, ex DART (Wilmington) 152, now Martz 11) for the
Philadelphian.
Another 30-ft Flxible, numbered in the 7300 series, ex NJT, from the
'76 statewide order, was serving similar duty until recently.
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POSTER>Hesham R. Elbadrawi
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Posted by Hesham R. Elbadrawi on October 01, 1997 at 18:41:39:
I wounder if any one have good pictures for the rapid rail transit in
Philadelphia. I have to do a case study and I need about 25 pictures
for the system. the pictures shoud include photos about the station,
vehicles, maintenance facilities, control center, etc.
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POSTER>subway-buff
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Posted by subway-buff on October 01, 1997 at 19:38:05:
In Reply to: [6]SEPTA Rapid Rail Transit posted by Hesham R. Elbadrawi
on October 01, 1997 at 18:41:39:
SEPTA has a web site at www.septa.com. From their home page follow the
links to e-mail to J. Walls at SEPTA. I have sent numerous e-mails to
Jack and foudn him to be quite responsive. I suggested he add a link
to this site and he did. This site, NYCsubway.org has an extensive
section on SEPTA in the Regional Rail Section.
Some good locations to shoot photos are 30th street where you can see
their storage yard, the curve near the Phiilly Zoo, Market East
station, etc
Good luck
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POSTER>Joseph Salvia
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Posted by Joseph Salvia on October 01, 1997 at 19:44:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: My Uncle! Charles T. Salvia (Charlie) posted by
Charles Fiori on September 30, 1997 at 15:13:44:
Hi Charles,
We may be related to Dan, but we would have to trace a geneology
tree. I believe my Uncle knew Dan very well. He always spoke highly
of the Salvia's in Transit.I know some of them were on Jay Street.
Not because of the same name, but because of their expertise in the
field. Thanks for the question I'll forward it to my Uncle Charlie.
Respectfully,
Joe Salvia
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 01, 1997 at 20:38:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by David Pirmann on
October 01, 1997 at 15:40:11:
I've seen that one - from a distance though :(
Even from the other end of a yard, it's an amazing site. I LOOKS
bigger than a diesel of today, though I'm not sure it is.
Does anyone know where/how I can see one up close??
I'd also love to see the innards of one, though I'v e never seen any
photos or diagrams anywhere...
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POSTER>Larry Littlefield
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Posted by Larry Littlefield on October 01, 1997 at 20:55:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Keranu the Pessimist on
September 28, 1997 at 09:25:12:
The Manhattan Bridge is a disaster. Due to existing service losses, it
takes longer to travel to the high wage job center in Manhattan from
the southern rim of Brooklyn than from many suburbs via (more heavily
subusidized) commuter rail. People are moving out, because they can no
longer afford to buy a house in close-in neighborhoods, without even
considering the southern rim of Brooklyn. Moreover, over half a
billion dollars has been spent in the past ten years just to keep the
Manhattan Bridge from falling down.
But don't blame the car. New York City has had no significant road
investments for 30 years either. The bottom line is that New York City
has spent less than the national average on transportation (education,
parks, etc), as a share of the income of its residents, every year as
far back as I can calculate -- despite taxes which are nearly double
the national average. All the money goes to Medicaid: we have the
richest doctors and the fanciest hospitals in the country. Check out
the economics section of the city's Annual Report on Social Indicators
if you doubt the data (I write it).
There is no constituency for infrastructure investment in this state.
Republicans want tax cuts, liberal Democrats want more money for
non-profit health care and social services organizations (who now
receive 75 percent of the money "for the poor"), and other Democrats
want more cops and more benefits for public employee unions. And New
York State is the cash cow of the nation. And New York City is the
cash cow of New York State. And Brooklyn is the cash cow of New York
City.
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POSTER>Edward J. Braebec
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Posted by Edward J. Braebec on October 01, 1997 at 21:17:40:
Ifound this on the web . I don't know if its true or not but it's
humorous.......
Standards Never Die
"The US Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4
feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge
used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US
railroads were built by English expatriates.
Why did the English people build them like that? Because the first
rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad
tramways, and that's the gauge they used.
Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the
tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building
wagons, which used that wheel spacing.
Okay! Why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing? Well, if they
tried to use any other spacing the wagons would break on some of the
old, long distance roads, because that's the spacing of the old wheel
ruts.
So who built these old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in
Europe were built by Imperial Rome for the benefit of their legions.
The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts? The initial ruts,
which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagons,
were first made by Roman war chariots. Since the chariots were made
for or by Imperial Rome they were all alike in the matter of wheel
spacing.
Thus, we have the answer to the original questions. The United States
standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the
original specification for an Imperial Roman army war chariot.
Specifications and Bureaucracies live forever. So, the next time you
are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with
it, you may be exactly right.
Because the Imperial Roman chariots were made to be just wide enough
to accommodate the back-ends of two war horses."
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 01, 1997 at 21:59:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on October 01, 1997 at 20:38:04:
If you want to travel a bit, there's one at the Railroad Museum of
Pennsylvania in Strasburg, Lancaster County.
--Dave
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Posted by Steve on October 01, 1997 at 23:13:54:
does anyone have an updated roster including
fleet numbers
dates
mfgr
model numbers
for all buses delivered during 1996 and 1997 including the new Dot
Buses now being delivered
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Posted by Steve on October 01, 1997 at 23:14:19:
does anyone have an updated roster including
fleet numbers
dates
mfgr
model numbers
for all buses delivered during 1996 and 1997 including the new Dot
Buses now being delivered
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 01, 1997 at 23:31:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on October 01, 1997 at 14:59:50:
Oops. I forgot that the former New Haven went to commercial 60HZ
frequency when the old Cos Cob Powerhouse finally quit and the local
power grid stopped supporting frequency changing equipment. The gap in
the trolley at Hell Gate is to give the equipment (Meatballs and MU's)
time to change internally at 60 MPH.
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Posted by Ray on October 01, 1997 at 23:38:40:
I do not know whether this idea is good or not. This idea is to allow
the B-Train to use the center track during rush hours for the express
service along the Westend. Then the B-train would stop only on 9th
Ave.,62nd Street.,Bay Parkway before it gets to Coney Island.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 01, 1997 at 23:42:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Nyc Transit posted by Hank Eisenstein on September
30, 1997 at 06:46:26:
Air Starters don't force air into the cylinders, it's an air-operated
starter motor that turns the engine over faster than electric. Also,
buses would have to carry massive batteries with electric starters
than with air starters.
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Posted by John on October 01, 1997 at 23:52:50:
In Reply to: [5]Rush hour Westend Express posted by Ray on October 01,
1997 at 23:38:40:
Not a bad idea. Any objections?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 01, 1997 at 23:57:30:
In Reply to: [5]Origins of "Standard" Gauge posted by Edward J.
Braebec on October 01, 1997 at 21:17:40:
So, let me get this straight - it's Imperial Rome that, in a way, had
an influence on the Long Island Rail Road?
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Posted by John on October 01, 1997 at 23:57:55:
In Reply to: [5]Origins of "Standard" Gauge posted by Edward J.
Braebec on October 01, 1997 at 21:17:40:
So, let me get this straight - it's Imperial Rome that, in a way, had
an influence on the Long Island Rail Road, Metro-North, etc?
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Posted by John on October 02, 1997 at 00:04:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by David Pirmann on
October 01, 1997 at 21:59:16:
The one in Hoboken comes up to the platform for the Hoboken Festival
(which is now in May - not September anymore).
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 02, 1997 at 07:09:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: My Uncle! Charles T. Salvia (Charlie) posted by
Joseph Salvia on October 01, 1997 at 19:44:14:
I believe there is so much to learn from experienced people like your
uncle. The 'old school' teaches respect and learning from experience
and not enough people do that these days. I was grateful back then for
a feloow like Mike Lombardi (your uncle would probably know of him)
who knew of my interests in trains and, as long as I did my job, would
let me explore my whims. Keep in touch.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 02, 1997 at 08:19:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: JFK Airport Service (ignore my other posts) posted
by Mark S Feinman on October 01, 1997 at 12:37:38:
Nice effort again, Mark. How do you do that??? :-)
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POSTER>Russ Hilder
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Posted by Russ Hilder on October 02, 1997 at 08:20:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MTA personnel at TTC posted by Charles Fiori on
September 30, 1997 at 09:11:20:
Thank you Charles and Steve. I'm glad to know that I will be working
with a true professional who knows a lot about rapid transit. We are
getting a little weary of so called experts. Joe impressed me right
off with his grasp and knowledge of heavy rail subway and signalling,
although this is a different type property. It should be a pleasure
working with him.
Thanks again.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 02, 1997 at 08:21:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by John on October 02,
1997 at 00:04:59:
There is a GG1 that looms large in one of the barns at the Illinois
Railway Museum, I believe.
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 02, 1997 at 08:31:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by John on October 02,
1997 at 00:04:59:
> The one in Hoboken comes up to the platform for the Hoboken Festival
Really? I didn't see it there this year in May nor did I see it at the
last one they had in September ('95)....
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 02, 1997 at 09:33:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Boston subway lines posted by Mark S Feinman on
October 01, 1997 at 12:53:15:
Bowdoin is only used weekdays daytime at present. I suppose it will
close permanently when the first six car trains run - I don't know the
exact schedule. Two or more years down the road is likely.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 02, 1997 at 09:38:16:
In Reply to: [5]NYCTA and DOT Bus roster updates posted by Steve on
October 01, 1997 at 23:14:19:
1996
8750-9349 NovaBUS RTS II-06
1001-1070 New Flyer D-60 (Articulated)
631-680 BIA Orion V
There are also 34 Orion V's powered by CNG that I believe were
delivered during 1995, but I'm not sure as they may be 1996 buses.
Their fleet numbers I'm also not sure about. I know the numbers are
approx. 581-614
All of the other buses listed above are equipped with the new Detroit
Diesel Series 50, 4 cylinder engine - which permit the buses to
accelerate quicker and they seem to go right up hills with little or
no strain.
DOT - The Orions coming in now, the DOT companies last new buses were
TMC RTS II-04 delivered in late 1993/early 1994. Most of these were
diesel with the DDEC series 60, but some at Triboro Coach and all of
those received at Command were CNG buses. Triboro Coach also received
more Methanol buses.
I don't know the exact beginning/ending of fleet numbers, but I can
give the series for each company
Queens Surface - TMC RTS II-06 275-399 (Approx.) DD Series 60
Green Bus Lines - TMC RTS II-06 1140-1179 (Approx) DD Series 60
Jamaica Buses - TMC RTS II-06 3830-3849 (Approx) DD Series 60
Command Bus Co - TMC RTS II-06 4901-4930 (Approx) CNG
Triboro Coach Corp TMC RTS II-06 2800-2830 (Approx) DD Series 60
I believe Triboro Coach's CNG and Methanol RTS's are numbered in the
2100 and/or 2400 series.
I appreciate any help and/or corrections with this info.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 02, 1997 at 09:41:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Origins of "Standard" Gauge posted by John on
October 01, 1997 at 23:57:55:
Just be thankful Rome didn't use three horse chariots!
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Posted by Steve on October 02, 1997 at 10:17:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by John on
October 01, 1997 at 23:52:50:
Not an objection really but a comment. Express service works when the
accompanying local service is convenient, adequate and logical. I am
assuming that for local service, you are thinking of the M line. The B
is a 6th Ave, train and is heavily traveled. The M serves a completely
different market. Whether it would be a suitable local suppliment to a
B express would remain to be seen. Think about the Q/D A/C and F/G
relationships. The B/M lines don't have the same type of operational
relationship. It may work but would need study......................
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 02, 1997 at 10:36:25:
In Reply to: [5]NJ Transit Electrification posted by Ted on September
28, 1997 at 15:40:43:
Speakinf of electrifing lines; the last couple of times that I rode
the MN Hudson Line, I've noticed that the new ties they've been
putting in are a little long on the side. Is there by some chance some
long-range plan to third rail the Hudson line north to
Poughkleepsie??? It sure looks like it, although why they woul do it
is a good question...
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POSTER>Jonny H.T.
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Posted by Jonny H.T. on October 02, 1997 at 11:13:57:
What is the difference between SIRR R-48 railroad cars and regular NYC
subway R-48 railroad cars? What extra equipment do they have
installed?
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Posted by Jhonny H.T. on October 02, 1997 at 11:20:40:
Correction, it is R-44 not R-48. Staten Island Railroad.
Why did they stop fare collection on those trains, won't the city lose
money?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 02, 1997 at 11:27:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCTA and DOT Bus roster updates posted by Wayne
Johnson on October 02, 1997 at 09:38:16:
I incorrectly listed the buses' engines as the Detroit Diesel Series
60 which does exist, but it's a 6 cylinder egine that's used in
over-the-road coaches. The correct Detroit Diesel engine for transit
buses is the Series 50, which is essentially a 4 cylinder version of
the Series 60.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 02, 1997 at 12:31:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MTA personnel at TTC posted by Russ Hilder on
October 02, 1997 at 08:20:59:
Don't know if he would remember me, but please give him my regards. I
worked as an analyst in the General Manager's office in 1981-82 when
he joined the Emergency Response Team. Good to see that some of the
experienced, quality talent is still around!!
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Posted by Steve on October 02, 1997 at 14:08:55:
requesting a roster from LI Bus
fleet numbers
date
mfgr
Garage assignment
Model number and serial number
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POSTER>johnny ht
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Posted by johnny ht on October 02, 1997 at 14:22:14:
In Reply to: [5]Satern Island posted by Jonny H.T. on October 02, 1997
at 11:13:57:
where is this place. i never heard of it.do you mean staten island.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 02, 1997 at 19:40:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Trolleys in the Wall Street Journal posted by
Gerry O'Regan on September 25, 1997 at 17:36:17:
5748 was never used in work service, but was one of the last 3 semi's
in service along with cars 5706 and 5745 (on the isolated Ellicott
City line). The sag in the carbody was the result of the riggers that
moved the car from Rolling Road to Edmondson Ave. Car House not being
experienced in moving streetcars and using a trailer that was 9 feet
too short.
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POSTER>Bobw
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SUBJECT>Re: SEPTA Rapid Rail Transit
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Posted by Bobw on October 02, 1997 at 20:31:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SEPTA Rapid Rail Transit posted by subway-buff on
October 01, 1997 at 19:38:05:
I may have reported the SEPTA web address incorrectly in previous
postings - it's actually SEPTA.org, not .com.
Also, if you want rapid transit, you should go to 69th St, Frankford
(either end of the Market-Frankford "blue" line) or Fern Rock (north
end of the Broad St "orange" line), where the yards are located, if
you want pictures. 30th St and the locations described by Subway Buff
are actually commuter rail yards and tracks. 69th St is the legendary
place to see light rail (both Norristown line 3rd rail and
Media/Sharon Hill trolleys) as well as rapid.
Elmwood Depot, the operations base for the subway surface "green" line
trolleys, is located near the end of Rt 36. It is another good place
to get pictures and is quite busy during daylight hours.
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POSTER>sam
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Posted by sam on October 03, 1997 at 06:24:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Steve on
October 02, 1997 at 10:17:29:
what G/F relationship? If you see what's happening in Queens, G riders
are getting royally screwed. Why? Because the MTA is incredibly
stupid. That's why.
If you look at recent demographic relationships, you'll notice a lot
of people have moved to Greenpoint/Williamsburgh. People usually move
into areas where there is abundant transit. Unfortunately, the MTA is
too farsighted to see this and will strangle the ecnomics out of
Greenpoint.
The point is, express B service is nothing without good, solid local
service, which I understand is not the case. Therefore, be
forewarned!!!!!!
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POSTER>Russ Hilder
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Posted by Russ Hilder on October 03, 1997 at 08:24:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MTA personnel at TTC posted by Charles Fiori on
October 02, 1997 at 12:31:08:
Charles, Joe remembers you and was very keen on explaining to the
Tower staff the incident that you mentioned. He says hi and how are
you.
Russ
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 03, 1997 at 09:22:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by sam on October
03, 1997 at 06:24:50:
If you think subway service in Williamsburgh is bad now, just wait
until the J/M/Z tracks over the Williamsburgh Bridge are closed for
maintenance :-o MTA foresight, once again!
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Runaway NYCTA bus
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 03, 1997 at 09:31:17:
Anyone get the fleet number of the runaway TA bus on Fifth Avenue in
midtown yesterday morning. Since it was a M4 I know it's assigned to
Manhattanville Depot.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 03, 1997 at 09:34:26:
In Reply to: [5]Runaway NYCTA bus posted by Wayne Johnson on October
03, 1997 at 09:31:17:
I checked the Daily News website and they pictures of it. It's a 1990
TMC RTS II-06 #8346.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 03, 1997 at 09:52:06:
In Reply to: [5]SIRR posted by Jhonny H.T. on October 02, 1997 at
11:20:40:
Most travel on SIRR starts or ends in St. George where they collect
the money. The people who detrain before might be such a slight number
the lost would not be so big a lost of money.
Since the metrocard is now in use with S.I. buses the only way for
free transfers is swiping at St. George. Maybe this played a factor in
the decision.
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Posted by Lou on October 03, 1997 at 09:56:24:
In Reply to: [5]Satern Island posted by Jonny H.T. on October 02, 1997
at 11:13:57:
If you are refering to STATEN ISLAND the forgotten boro of New York
City (Richmond County) Staten Island Railway they use modified NYC
Subway cars (R44's). Some mods I know of are that they can go
backwards without a yard key and go backwards pretty fast . They don't
have trippers for the trip stops on the subway signals and they have a
tiny or skinny crew door into the cab.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 11:35:09:
Moving over the Dow Jones news wire this morning at 11:24ET:
"Western Star Trucks Holdings Ltd.'s (WSH) Orion Bus Industries sold
10 40-foot Hybrid Electric Buses to the Metropolitan Transportation
Authority in New York for $5.7 million.
"In a press release Friday, Western said the new technology was
developed by Orion and Lockheed Martin Control Systems, Johnston, N.Y.
a unit of Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT)
"Western Star makes heavy duty trucks.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 13:02:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Runaway NYCTA bus/ I found it! posted by Wayne
Johnson on October 03, 1997 at 09:34:26:
Wayne, you must let the congregation know why the fleet number on a
bus which killed someone and injured others and by the grace of God
did not cause more damage and casualties, is so important to you.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 13:04:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MTA personnel at TTC posted by Russ Hilder on
October 03, 1997 at 08:24:28:
Good luck and Godspeed up there. I'd love to hear from Joe but am
hesitant to put my number in a message
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Posted by Garfield on October 03, 1997 at 14:19:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
posted by Hank Eisenstein on September 30, 1997 at 06:40:16:
At the same time,I noticed that on some of the cars, the flooring was
redone with a more darker coloring.....
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 03, 1997 at 15:02:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Runaway NYCTA (MaBSTOA?) bus posted by Charles
Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 13:02:10:
Well, Charles
Contrary to what you may think, I realize that this was a very
unfortunate incident and my heart goes out the victims. This must be
an assumption because I never said the fleet number was "so
important". Please don't make any assumptions or judgements because
the fleet number is not "so important" to me, but it's merely
curiosity and I'm sure many of the "congregation" members know this.
If you check the archives you will find messages where someone has
inquired about the fleet number(s) and/or model of a particular subway
car(s) that was involved in an accident. No one found this sort of
thing to be a problem then and I can't see why it may be a now.
I never meant to offend anyone or minimize this tragic accident, but I
think you're blowing this out of proportion.
And, yes it was a MaBSTOA bus, but MaBSTOA is only used internally
these days.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 15:23:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Runaway NYCTA (MaBSTOA?) bus posted by Wayne
Johnson on October 03, 1997 at 15:02:26:
Point well taken, Wayne. Thanks for the reply. Like you, I appreciate
the opportunity this forum gives us for exchanges of ideas.
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Posted by John on October 03, 1997 at 15:35:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by sam on October
03, 1997 at 06:24:50:
How about a split B service? The local Bs could be relabled as BL, and
the express Bs as BX.
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on October 03, 1997 at 16:39:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SEPTA Rapid Rail Transit posted by Bobw on October
02, 1997 at 20:31:55:
www.septa.org and www.septa.com appear to be the same site
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SUBJECT>Why not all over head?
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Posted by BJ on October 03, 1997 at 17:11:30:
Why aren't some of the transit systems that use third rail and
overhead wires, just use over-head wires the whole way?
It would seem more safe. You hear about all the time that people are
waiting for subway or elevated trains and fall by mistake and get
electrecuted and killed.
The stupidest thing is that the CTA still runs the Douglas and
Ravenswood lines with a third rail and street crossings. They should
make them put catenary wires up for the last part of the route and
make them equip the trains with the equipment!
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 03, 1997 at 18:09:36:
In Reply to: [6]Why not all over head? posted by BJ on October 03,
1997 at 17:11:30:
Actually, there are some good reasons why everything is not all
overhead. Mostly historical, but realize too that at 600 - 750 VDC,
the currents needed to move a train are *very* heavy. At those
voltages, overhead isn't very practical. Overhead also fouls up
sometimes, causeing a "pulldown". This disrupts service. To make
overhead practical, you need *high* voltage, around 15k. Most
electrifications that are third rail (i.e the subway and LIRR) were
done before A.C. traction was even prctical. New Haven was the first
in 1908, and they had *big* problems with it at first. Also realize
that in tunnels, overhead raises clearences, and you still can't go
too high with the voltage anyway. Also realize that changeing electric
systems is *very* expensive.
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POSTER>Joseph Salvia
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SUBJECT>Re: My Uncle! Charles T. Salvia (Charlie)
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Posted by Joseph Salvia on October 03, 1997 at 18:33:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: My Uncle! Charles T. Salvia (Charlie) posted by
Charles Fiori on October 02, 1997 at 07:09:04:
Hi Charles,
I know my Uncle would be thankful of your kind words;I most
certainly am.Yes,My Uncle Charlie still tells stories about the
TA. For years I thought he was the only one,but after seeing this
board I can see it gets in your blood with a passion.
I am forwarding all correspondence to him because I know he
would enjoy it.I believe I have heard the name Mike Lombardi
numerous times.
Regards,
Joe Salvia
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SUBJECT>Armondo Duran-Jay St.
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Posted by Ms. Duran on October 03, 1997 at 18:48:21:
To All,
My Dad worked for the MTA on Jay St.He was a track walker.
I wish to thank all of you who sent their condolences to his
family,when he passed on in 1996.
Ms. Duran
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on October 03, 1997 at 18:59:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why not all over head? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on October 03, 1997 at 18:09:36:
3rd rail is more durable too needs less maint. Overhead is better
where you can't contol access and need to keep people away like
running at grade.
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SUBJECT>Front signs-B Division
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 19:46:33:
The signs now appearing on slant 40s, 42s, etc., which scroll from
left to right as opposed to top-to-bottom read as follows:
JFK [lt. bl.]; A, C, H, E [dk. bl. circle]; F [orange cir.]; G [lime
cir.]; R, S [yellow cir.]; W [yellow diamond]; N, B, D, Q [yellow
cir.]; D, Q, B [orange cir]; K [dk bl. cir.]; S, V [orange cir.]; M
[brown cir.]; R [brown di.amond];
J, Z [brown circle]; L, S [lt. grey cir.];
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 19:48:47:
The signs now appearing on slant 40s, 42s, etc., which scroll from
left to right as opposed to top-to-bottom read as follows:
JFK [lt. bl.]; A, C, H, E [dk. bl. circle]; F [orange cir.]; G [lime
cir.]; R, S [yellow cir.]; W [yellow diamond]; N, B, D, Q [yellow
cir.]; D, Q, B [orange cir]; K [dk bl. cir.]; S, V [orange cir.]; M
[brown cir.]; R [brown di.amond];
J, Z [brown circle]; L, S [lt. grey cir.]; Not Special; Shuttle
in
Service
Please msj if you care on other signs, subway or bus. I have a large
collection and can prob. help.
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Posted by Steve on October 03, 1997 at 20:28:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Q Line R-40's,N Line R-40's and B line R-68a's
posted by Garfield on October 03, 1997 at 14:19:44:
There were numerous problems withthe flooring on the R-68As dating
back to their delivery. Kawasaki assumed the responsibility and
repaired the flooring at Concourse yard and later in Coney Island. The
repairs were done in 4 stages. The worst of the floors were totally
replaced. The black speckled flooring is the same as the R-110
flooring. Kawasaki did the installation but the TA paid for the
flooring upgrade.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on October 03, 1997 at 20:55:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 25 cycle overhead??? posted by David Pirmann on
October 01, 1997 at 21:59:16:
Actually, there are two in the Strasburg Railway Museum, near
Lancaster. No. 4935 is there (the Amtrak unit repainted in Pennsy
livery) and No. 4800 is there ("Old Rivets" to those in the know).
There are periodic proposals to refurbish 4935 and let her rip - it
requires putting in a new transformer - because the old ones all used
PCB's (an alleged carcinogen). 4935 does have all the rest of her
innards, however.
Back in the early 80's, that whole string of GG1's which had been in
dead storage in Harrison was pulled dead in tow to the Penn Coach Yard
in Philly, where they sat for a while (presumably awaiting scrapping
or sale). In the interim, my father and I availed ourselves of the
general absence of Amtrak Police on one fine Saturday, and drove right
up to the Amtrak MOW parking lot between Penn Coach Yard and Septa's
Powelton Yard. There we abandoned our rubbered tired vehicle and
clambered up into a *real* wheeled machine - one of the GG1's, which
were surprisingly unlocked. The cab was comfortable, and reminiscent
of a steam locomotive cab (because of the small side windows for
windshields). A bit dirty, but nothing like the filth found in a steam
engine from the coal dust. All in all a memorable experience.
As a long time traveller in the NEC from my childhood in the 70's, I
am fortunate enough to recall the GG1's from trips behind them headed
to Florida. They were an amazing site to see, effortlessly pulling a
string of 18 coaches and sleepers to the sunny south at up to 100 mph.
All the wheels made them a bit like a centipede and gave the
impression of enormous size and motion. Another interesting story was
my trip down to DC in the Metroliner Parlor (not Club) Car - complete
with my own oversized plush swivel chair and obliging waiter (who
showed me the first $100 bill I'd ever seen - which he'd gotten as a
tip from a Wall St. broker). Something we unfortunately will not see
again. Its definitely fun being a king at age 6 on your birthday (many
thanks to my Godmother for the trip).
Andy
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Posted by Andrew Byler on October 03, 1997 at 21:26:47:
In Reply to: [6]NJ Transit Electrification posted by Ted on September
28, 1997 at 15:40:43:
In the summer of 1995, while working for LTK Engineering of Blue Bell,
PA, I did the preliminary power needs studies for electrifying all of
the New Jersey Transit lines which are currently diesel, plus the to
be reactivated ex-NYC West Shore line to Haverstraw (neither Newburgh
and Kingston are in the intitial plans for this line) and NYS&W line
to Butler, and excluding the too be abandoned Meadowlands - Montclair
portion of the Boonton line. This involved entering in the track
(grade, curvature, superelvation, etc.) and station data (location,
dwell time, load factor, etc.) for the lines at hundredths of a mile
accuracy and running it through a product of the Carnegie Mellon
Railway Research Lab (the remnant of the AAR Rail Research Center
there in the 70's) called the Train Performance Simulator. In this
case, I tested it with 6 car trains of Silverliners operating at peak
load over the entire line length.
The point of the initial study was threefold: 1) to quantify time
savings in operation, 2) to optimize substation location, and 3) to
point out potential trouble spots. When I left to return to school in
late August, the initial part of the study was essentially complete,
and more precise work was to continue. I have no idea of the outcome,
but my supervicor, Dr. Tristan Kneschke, might be willing to answer
questions if you take the time to track him down.
The general feeling I got was that the following projects were likely
to occur eventually (meaning within the next 20 years) and in the
order listed - Long Branch to Bay Head, Hunter to Raritan and High
Bridge (both in conjunction with a third Hudson River tube to
accomodate additional traffic into Penn Station), Great Neck to Dover
and Hackettstown (the Montclair to Great Neck portion is guaranteed as
part of the Montclair connection), Hoboken to Suffern. The other lines
(including Atlantic City) are a much lower priority.
Not in the study (very telling from my point of view) were the on
again off again proposals concerning service on the Jamesburg Branch
(which once was electrified Perth Amboy to Monmouth Jct.), Bound Brook
- West Trenton, High Bridge - Lehigh Valley, Dover - E. Stroudsburg
(Lackawanna cut-off), Winslow Jct. - Cape May, or Trenton - Camden -
Millville (Camden - Millville was third rail until 1949). Also,
Suffern - Port Jervis was not deemed worthy of study (undoubtedly
because it is a Metro-North affair - although the north end of the
Pascack Valley and West Shore were included, and are also MNR routes -
go figure). I can only surmise that this means these projects are on
the back-back burners, and that the only expansion forseen in the near
future is the West Shore and NYS&W lines.
So there *are* plans afoot. As to when exactly - who knows!
Andy
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on October 03, 1997 at 21:31:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJT-Abandoned Stations posted by faxman on
September 28, 1997 at 16:17:35:
The abandoned Monmouth Jct. stop can be seen as the train whizzes by.
Abandoned stops are also much in evidence throughout S. Jersey on the
Camden - Millville line (abandoned in 1969) and the Winslow Jct. -
Ocean City / Wildwood / Cape May lines (abandoned in 1981).
Andy
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on October 03, 1997 at 21:38:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Mark S
Feinman on September 25, 1997 at 12:47:38:
Mark,
You ask why rip out one center track?
$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!
Tracks cost money to maintain. Unused express tracks generate no
revenue. Rails and ties have scrap value, and can be reused elsewhere
on the system, or else recycled. Hence it is profitable to pull them
out.
As far as the N-line is concerned, one unused express track should be
sufficient for the time being. Perhaps they'll rebuild a couple of
stations to two center platforms so that there could be actual express
serivce (one-way) during peak hours. We'll see ....
Andy
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Posted by Koi on October 03, 1997 at 22:20:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by John on
October 03, 1997 at 15:35:05:
How about having a Westend/Culver line express combo:
have a new service (call it, say, W) that would start at 9th Av. on
the West End line and go express as previously mentioned to Coney
Island then continue on with stops at West 8th St., Av. X, Kings
Highway, 18th Av., and Church Av.
Koi
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on October 03, 1997 at 23:13:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH Operations posted by Charles Fiori on
September 30, 1997 at 17:08:28:
Cta is moving to one operator trains Orange line to midway opened that
way
other will follow soon if they have not allready The green line may
have reopened as one operator service I think the red and blue will
follow soon.
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Posted by Michael Klufas on October 03, 1997 at 23:25:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by sam on October
03, 1997 at 06:24:50:
If the MTA did the right thing with the F/G setup in Brooklyn, here is
what it would do:
--allow the F's to run express to Church Avenue weekdays (6a-9p)
--extend the F express as in the prevailing direction from Church to
Kings Highway (to Manhattan AM, from Manhattan PM)
--run the G as a local service to either Kings Highway or Church
Avenue, depending on the time of day
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Posted by Sam on October 04, 1997 at 02:42:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Peter Rosa on
October 03, 1997 at 09:22:47:
I agree with everyone's comments.
Here's what we should do with the G:
G will run to continental avenue all times, period,
- or-
A tunnel with moving walkways or new station will be built to allow
transfers between the G and 7 at 21/Van Alst to 7 stops at either
Hunters Point (difficult) or Vernon Jackson. 21st/Van Alst is
underutilized. This will help spur LIC's economics. Then you could cut
the G off at Court Square without damaging service as much as it is
now. On the other end of the G - it goes to Church Ave. all times.
If the MTA is worried about service and track clearance for
construction, do the following at night: E service remains local to
Parsons/Archer. F remains local to 179th street, but runs on the
Broadway line to Coney Island. Or run a split E service that goes
either to the Trade Center or continues on the A line to Jay Street
where it then goes to Coney Island on the F line.
The trick here is not to choke off any economic gains neighborhoods
like Greenpoint, Williamsburgh and LIC have made, coming back from the
dead.
Shades of Robert Moses!!
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Posted by Joe on October 04, 1997 at 06:16:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Elimination of conductors on some lines posted by
lake on September 26, 1997 at 04:38:51:
O.P.T.O. and underperforming night transit workers are two different
issues.
For your information. Each color is representative of a different
department/division. However, in all cases a white hat represents a
supervisor,superintendent or other manager. If you are concerned about
rule employees violating rules or not performing their duties then you
should seek out the person wearing the white hat.
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on October 04, 1997 at 11:39:38:
Hi, I'm trying to locate documents and/or people familiar with the
BMT DeKalb Ave. station reconstruction project in the 1950's. The
project involved moving the switch location from one end of the plat-
forms to the other, lengthening the platforms and adding tracks that
connected the Brighton line to the platform's outer tracks in addi-
tion to the inner track connections. I'm specifically interested in
learning the construction and final tie-in strategy that allowed
train operations on the Brighton and 4th Ave. lines to go unimpeded,
most of the time while, for example, new tunnel wall openings for
the changed switches and new track connections were made.
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POSTER>Mike Rothenberg
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Posted by Mike Rothenberg on October 04, 1997 at 12:36:47:
In Reply to: [6]Rush hour Westend Express posted by Ray on October 01,
1997 at 23:38:40:
A number of lines have 3-track/station set-ups for potential peak
direction express service. Some are used (e.g., D/C, 7, J/Z/M) while
some aren't (e.g., 4, F and B/M). What are the costs & patronage on
each line? Can the proposed line suppport the improvement? West End
express service sounds good, but what would be the impact on the
the essentially-overlapping N line? Would its service need to be re-
duced or eliminated? I think there once was peak F express service
to Kings Hwy., where those trains turned around, while F local's con-
tinued to Coney Is. But it was dropped (why?). Would a combination of
better B/M & F service threaten the nearby N's existence? Should it?
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on October 04, 1997 at 12:41:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Michael Klufas
on October 03, 1997 at 23:25:33:
Before you can extend the G train as a local on the Culver line, the G
train has to run more often. Right now the G is running on a very very
very stingy schedule- every 10-12 minutes during the AM and PM rush,
and running evury 20 minutes during the midday.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on October 04, 1997 at 12:50:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Sam on October
04, 1997 at 02:42:03:
Then what train will serve the 2nd Ave, Delancey Street, East
Broadway, and York Street Stations?
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Posted by Benny C. on October 04, 1997 at 14:11:30:
Why is the MTA changing the original PRR signals on the SIRR line all
the way to St. George? What is wrong with those signal lights?
Shouldn't the MTA just keep them and save the money for other things?
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POSTER>Eric ng
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Posted by Eric ng on October 04, 1997 at 14:45:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Charles on October 01,
1997 at 13:09:18:
I don't think that it is a good idea to bulid a tunnel,because alot of
chinese people depend on the B/D/and Q.And it will also spend money on
the city.And,maybe while the tunnel is finished,there will be no more
service to Grand street
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Posted by sean o'shea on October 04, 1997 at 16:57:32:
I have found some old pieces of this defunct railroad in Pelham and
New Rochelle after reading Roger Arcara's book 'When the Westchester
was new'. Are there any web sites devoted to this fascinating old
railroad?
Also, is the part of NYW&B south of 180th street still in place???
Thanks for any help!
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 04, 1997 at 17:10:10:
In Reply to: [5]PRR signals posted by Benny C. on October 04, 1997 at
14:11:30:
The signals on the SIRR line are not PRR, but standard B&O color
position light signals.(The B&O controlled the SIRT for many years.)
The MTA is changing them because today (1997) they are non-standard
with what the MTA has and is maintaining. Also the B&O signal system
used DC track circuits, which is not standard any more and impossible
to get parts for. The confusion with "PRR" signals may have resulted
in the AMTRAK program to conver the former position light signals in
the NE Corridor giving the PRR position light signals color lenses and
removing the cent lamps in the heads. To a die-hard Pennsy fan the
sight of "B&O" signals in the Corridor
is somewhat diisquieting.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 04, 1997 at 20:52:14:
In Reply to: [6]new york westchester and boston railroad posted by
sean o'shea on October 04, 1997 at 16:57:32:
The Arcara book is the definitive source about the NYW&B. I haven't
seen a whole lot on the web about it.
I have a couple of NYW&B photos that I haven't done much with mostly
due to a lack of information (the Arcara book not withstanding). If
you want to look at them [7]here they are.
--Dave
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Posted by Bryan Layne on October 04, 1997 at 22:26:23:
Are the R-38 and R-46 the 2 cars that are assigned to the E.Am I right
on this one?
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:08:00:
In Reply to: [5]E Train Assignments posted by Bryan Layne on October
04, 1997 at 22:26:23:
Read the FAQ's!
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:10:35:
In Reply to: [5]63rd Street Connection posted by Christopher Roman on
September 29, 1997 at 13:10:30:
I think you can try the maps section.
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Posted by P.A.R. on October 04, 1997 at 23:12:00:
In Reply to: [5]E Train Assignments posted by Bryan Layne on October
04, 1997 at 22:26:23:
The cars that are assigned to the E Train are R-32's, and not R-38's.
R-38's are generally assigned to the A and C Lines. On occasion you
might see a train or two comprised of R-46's assigned to the E.
While we're on the subject of cars that are assigned to the E, does
anyone know why the R-32's replaced the R-46's? I believe that the
R-32's would be better served if assigned to the F which now has
R-46's. There are more people who use the F than the E, and the dwell
time at the station for the F would be less if it had R-32's (due to
the increase in the number of doors for passengers to enter). What do
you think?
Thanks.
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:13:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Keranu the Pessimist on
September 28, 1997 at 09:25:12:
YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:15:14:
In Reply to: [5]Re: British Rail Crash posted by Keranu on September
28, 1997 at 09:13:16:
Now what caused that crash??? Mech fail????? SOMETHING??????
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:19:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by Charles Fiori
on September 30, 1997 at 09:15:27:
When I visited NYC last year, I had that same thing too. A Av. o'
Americas Express, with the colour of an N! An it was in a DIAMOND!
Disgraceful! Q's run on Middays and Rushes, Right?? A DIAMOND!!!!
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!! (will the idiot who made tose signs please come here
so I CAN BLAST YOU TO SMITHEREENS!!!!!!
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:22:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by Charles Fiori
on September 25, 1997 at 09:38:59:
Are you talking about Boro Hall???
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POSTER>John da stranger
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SUBJECT>L and J/Z connection (F.K.A. Re: ENY El Ramp)
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:28:34:
In Reply to: [5]Re: East New York El Ramp posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on September 29, 1997 at 07:21:49:
Is there a connection between the L and the J/Z line? Is there plans
to connect them to make a R'way Pkwy.-Myrtle Av.-Chinatown(Ctr.
St.)-Broad St.-New Utretcht Av.-Bay Ridge-Coney Island train????(Or
just R'way Pkwy-Myrtle-Chambers-Broad Street?) Is that the flyover
that you're talkin' about????
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:31:34:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Charles on October 01,
1997 at 13:09:18:
Spoken like a sticker-upper for subways, man! That'll show those "Oh,
Mass Transit are for cream puffs!" type!!!
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POSTER>John da stranger
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Posted by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:34:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Andrew Huie on
September 29, 1997 at 01:22:45:
Yeah. Maybe by then I might be using 65+ bus passes while you are
resting! (And maybe would have visited NYC like 1000 times!!!!)
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POSTER>Anonymous Man (Call me Invisie)
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Posted by Anonymous Man (Call me Invisie) on October 04, 1997 at
In Reply to: [5]Re: Elimination of conductors on some lines posted by
Bill on September 27, 1997 at 08:27:03:
Aw jeez! Where are you idiots getting to? Are we talking about
conductors being eliminated or construction workers on the
system???????
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 04, 1997 at 23:52:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: E Train Assignments (Why?) posted by P.A.R. on
October 04, 1997 at 23:12:00:
That's the exact same reason the R32's were put back on the E... more
doors. You'll appreciate the extra doors if you ride the E between
Penn Station and Lex during rush hours...
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POSTER>Joe-M
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Posted by Joe-M on October 05, 1997 at 00:05:36:
In Reply to: [5]New Orions, Part Deux posted by Charles Fiori on
October 03, 1997 at 11:35:09:
I saw the demo bus in Chicago last week but did not get to ride it.
Hybrid buses I believe are the future bus. The best of electric
performance and lack of infrastucture with overhead wire.
I will be interested to see how they do in service.
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Posted by Bobw on October 05, 1997 at 01:25:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SEPTA Rapid Rail Transit posted by ~airplane on
October 03, 1997 at 16:39:00:
I have heard this, but I've never been able to reach it using .com,
only .org. Maybe it's a problem with my server?
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 05, 1997 at 04:52:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 03,
1997 at 09:52:06:
They were actually losing money collecting fares on the train. Before
the on-board collection was eliminated, they used 3-person train crews
(Engineer, Conductor, Trainman/Conductor) With the elimination of the
fare between stations, they cut the crew size down to 2. Also, weekend
trains are back to two-cars, and it is believed that they may
institute OPTO on the trains late nights and weekends, with only one
car open. A disadvantage of this new system is that vandalism of the
trains has increased. Without someone walking through the train every
few minutes, teenagers take advantage.
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 05, 1997 at 04:57:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Satern Island posted by Lou on October 03, 1997 at
09:56:24:
The small crew door is common on R-44. The cars are not married, and
all cars have air compressors/motor generators. The B cars used to
have hostler controls, but I believe they were removed during rebuild.
Also, althought the cars operate on a rail line that is still
classified a common carrier, the cars are exempt from FRA locomotive
inspections (blue cards) because the line is not connected to any
other line. I doubt that the cars could currently pass an FRA
inspection, anyway.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 05, 1997 at 05:24:54:
In Reply to: [6]Sirtoa posted by H. Jonny on October 01, 1997 at
16:09:21:
The South Beach and North Shore branches had passenger service
eliminated in 1952 due to low ridership. The south Beach branch was
also abandoned. The North Shore line was abandoned in 1991, but was
recently purchased by the City of New York and NJDOT (in New Jersey)
The North Shore is now being rehabbilitated from Cranford Junction in
NJ to Arlington and Travis on SI. Travis recently had a paper
recycling plant built, and the rails tot he plant area have been
completely torn up, and are being replaced. The AK bridge over the
Kill Van Kull is also being rehabbed. There are future plans for
passenger service from Arlington to St. George. I would hardly call
the are the line passes through 'desolate', but it is aan area
populated with puplic housing projects and is saddled with a high
crime rate.
-Hank
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 05, 1997 at 05:29:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRTOA posted by Bill on October 01, 1997 at
14:08:21:
The spur already exists, but was just torn up so the tracks can be
replaced. Any kind of digging on the Arlington site may be toxic waste
removal, as the site was used as an illegal dump site during it's
abandonment. The bridge is being rehabed, and there is no station at
Arlington. The area is also not safe to be in alone with any kind of
visable valuables.
-Hank
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 05, 1997 at 05:32:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Full Cabs posted by Allan on September 30, 1997 at
19:40:04:
the real reason the glass is there is so that you can't see the
motorman doing nefarious things such as smoking in the cab.
-Hank
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Posted by Mike K on October 05, 1997 at 10:22:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by David L. on
October 04, 1997 at 12:41:48:
Not according to the official sched. If you look at it, they say it
runs every 9-12 minutes (see the MTA-subway homepage).
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Posted by Ray on October 05, 1997 at 11:26:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Steve on
September 27, 1997 at 00:13:41:
If the TA want to accumulate milage on the R-68A then why didn't they
assign them to the F? F is a much longer line than B.
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Posted by H. Torzinski on October 05, 1997 at 11:44:00:
I have three question about NYC buses. I hope somebody can answer
these questions for me.
1) My first question is why do the NYC buses accelerate so slowly? I
seen drivers floor the gas, but the bus seems to pick up very slowly,
even when it is nearly empty.
2) This is about the instrument panal. On the left side of the driver,
there is a gauge that is label "Axle Air Pressure." Is this the air
pressure for the brakes?
3) When the bus reached a terminal station, I saw the driver turn a
red
lever. Air seemed to be released at high pressure near the front
wheels. Does anybody know what this lever is and does? I notice it is
not the parking brake.
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Posted by David L. on October 05, 1997 at 14:00:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Mike K on
October 05, 1997 at 10:22:51:
You are correct- that is what the schedule says, but being a G train
passenger myself, I know for a fact that the G train does not follow
that schedule between 3-4 PM. Especially at 3:00 when students from
Brooklyn Tech use the Fulton St Station. For twenty minutes, a
continuous flow of students fill up the platform until finally it is
impossible to walk to the other end of the platform. With students
literally standing on the edge of the platform, one little brawl
between a few students can knock about a dozen people on to the
tracks. Luckily that hasn't happen yet but it's an accident waiting to
happen. Then the train finally arrives at 3:20 (everytime the train
enters the station-the train operator has to honk a few times to warn
the people on the edge of the platform. And this goes happens on a
daily basis. Then there ae times when I have to leave the school
later.....the train still takes 20 minutes to arrive. Well that is my
side of the story, :-)
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Posted by John on October 05, 1997 at 14:17:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Ray on
October 05, 1997 at 11:26:34:
Or even the A. The A is the longest subway line in the system.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 05, 1997 at 17:57:04:
In Reply to: [6]E Train Assignments posted by Bryan Layne on October
04, 1997 at 22:26:23:
The E train service requirements call for 270 R-32s for AM service.
That's 27 trains. There are 300 R-32s assigned to the Jamaica Fleet,
of which, 6 are out of service each day for inspection. Therefore, if
more than 24 R-32s are out of service for repairs, R-46s must be used
in E Service. R-38s are not generally used for E service but could be
if necessary.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 05, 1997 at 18:11:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by sam on October
03, 1997 at 06:24:50:
I expected to be called to task for my theory about the logical
relationship between Express & Local service. What I was trying to
convey is simply that the F train meets the G at the Brooklyn terminal
and at the Queesn terminal. As for the demographics, you are right BUT
two things you might not be aware of:
First - The G train service gets priority over the E, F or the R. If
there is a car shortage, the G line would be the last to have a train
dropped.
Second - I've been riding the G line since 1963 when it was the GG
local. I woud ride to and from Brooklyn Tech every day and even back
then, when 7 car R-9s were the rule, there were never enough trains on
the line.
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Posted by Steve on October 05, 1997 at 18:14:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Full Cabs posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 05,
1997 at 05:32:43:
Did you come up with that theory all by your self or did you have
help?
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POSTER>BRRRyan LAAAynnne
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Posted by BRRRyan LAAAynnne on October 05, 1997 at 18:45:23:
In Reply to: [5]New Orions, Part Deux posted by Charles Fiori on
October 03, 1997 at 11:35:09:
is that the one with 3 doors on the side and double sets of wheels in
the back?
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Posted by ~airplane on October 05, 1997 at 19:48:17:
In Reply to: [6]Speaking of electrification..(was New Jersey .....
posted by Lou from Middletown on October 02, 1997 at 10:36:25:
Maybe it was cheaper for the MTA to buy a large amount of long ties
than to buy some long and some short, or maybe it's more economical to
electrify the upper Hudson line than to preserve the transfer between
electric and diesel equipment at Croton-Harmon.
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Posted by BJ on October 05, 1997 at 20:09:06:
I'm going to build a model of the CTA Red and Purple Lines, just as
they appear in real life.
I was wondering if their are any deals you could get on track, track
electrification boxes, over the internet.
I have no problem getting the wood to build the structure.
I may have to wait to get models of subway cars thought, I hear that
the NYC Subway comes out next year. Have any idea when?
And just for your information Chicagoland Hobby in Chicago no longer
sells model "EL" tracks. They used to build them and they were the
only one in Chicago that sold that, but I guess they recently stopped
because of NYC comming out next year.
If you have any information reguarding any of this I would like to
hear it,
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 05, 1997 at 21:17:29:
Does anyone know if Amtrak is still useing their Rohr/ANF gas turbine
trains anymore?? I thought they were pulled from service a few years
back, but saw one at Penn the other week. Are they still used? With
turbines? Does anyone know anything about these cars?? I know they
were better than the UT ones, but none of the 3 tested were big
sucesses. Also, does ANYONE know ANYTHING about the LIRR's turbine
cars tested in the 60's (70's???) and what became of them?
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Posted by steve on October 06, 1997 at 01:03:56:
does anyone have routing info on the new Reeves Av extension to the HS
in the morning
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POSTER>steve
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Posted by steve on October 06, 1997 at 01:24:05:
In Reply to: [6]Model of CTA Red and Purle Line posted by BJ on
October 05, 1997 at 20:09:06:
do you need track drawings of the area
christof@webtv.net
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 06, 1997 at 09:10:34:
In Reply to: [5]NYC Buses (Technical) posted by H. Torzinski on
October 05, 1997 at 11:44:00:
I can address you first and last questions.
Acceleration - I think that the throttle response may be purposely set
that way
The valve - This releases the air from the front doors, so that they
may be opened and closed manually. The driver simply opens and closes
the doors with his/her hands when leaving and re-entering the bus. In
the old days they just closed and opened the doors from outside the
drivers' windows, but with the RTS I don't think they would be able to
reach the door handle from outside the window. Another thing drivers
used to do was to leave the rear door unlocked and leave/enter through
it, but this requires the engine to be running and idleing engines
these these days are a serious no-no.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 06, 1997 at 09:28:31:
In Reply to: [6]new york westchester and boston railroad posted by
sean o'shea on October 04, 1997 at 16:57:32:
www.columbia.edu/~brennan/rails/disused/bronx.html has a section
dealing with the visible remains of this line in the Bronx.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 06, 1997 at 11:04:23:
In Reply to: [5]BMT DeKalb. Ave. Station-Reconstruction Strategy
posted by Mike Rothenberg on October 04, 1997 at 11:39:38:
As usual, I don't have much to offer from my memory of attending High
School in the area at the time of the completion of the DeKalb Ave
upgrade since I rode the IND, not the BMT, but I do recall that the
schedules and routings were substantially affected, and went back to
"normal" only after construction was completed. So, the work was NOT
accomplished without a fuss.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 06, 1997 at 11:29:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by David L. on
October 05, 1997 at 14:00:30:
Do your body a DOUBLE favor, and walk back to Hoyt-Schermrerhorn where
the platform is wide, and the punks are too lazy or stupid to walk to.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 06, 1997 at 12:12:58:
In Reply to: [6]new york westchester and boston railroad posted by
sean o'shea on October 04, 1997 at 16:57:32:
Yes, the station is there, in plain sight of the 2/5 line's E 180th St
stop.
Also, if you're in the area, you should try to get the next Transit
Museum tour which stops there, called "Dual Contracts to Dyre Avenue".
Part of the tour takes you onto the NYW&B platform.
Tour info is available at
[7]
The Transit Museum Web Site off the MTA's web site.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 06, 1997 at 12:33:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Koi on October
03, 1997 at 22:20:58:
... but since most people are commuting to and from Manhattan, how
would this help out commuters? Would commuters actually take an
express in the reverse direction to swing around down Culver to
Manhattan??
Now from a railfan perspective .... :-)
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 06, 1997 at 12:36:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by David L. on
October 04, 1997 at 12:50:57:
... how about the Q train via the proposed Dekalb-Rutgers connection?
--Mark
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Posted by Bryan Layne on October 06, 1997 at 12:43:50:
In Reply to: [5]Model of CTA Red and Purle Line posted by BJ on
October 05, 1997 at 20:09:06:
Just remember to put graffiti covering almost every Red Line station
though...since you want to be realistic.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 06, 1997 at 12:48:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Airport Service posted by John on October 01,
1997 at 15:13:38:
You know, it's amazing what a missing quotation mark will do these
days! I guess I offended the starting quotation mark by leaving off
its mate or something :-)
--Mark
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POSTER>Timothy
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Posted by Timothy on October 06, 1997 at 19:26:25:
Back in 1974, when I was 10 years old, I went on a field trip with my
class
to Center City, Philadelphia. We went by train on what is now the R2
Marcus Hook/Wilmington Line (we boarded the train in Marcus Hook). As
I
remember, the train we rode inbound did not resemble any of the trains
currently in use (Silverliner II's, III's, or IV's), they looked more
like
the old Metroliner MU's, with the curved sides, except they had
reversible
commuter train "bench" style seating, instead of the reclining airline
style seating found on Metroliners, and current Amtrak trains. As far
as
I know, Philadelphia's commuter rail lines were operated by Penn
Central,
and Conrail back in the 1970's, before SEPTA took over in the early
1980's.
Does anyone know if Penn Central (or Conrail) experimented with
Metroliner
MU's for commuter use during the mid 1970's, or can anyone tell me
what
kind of train that may have been that I rode on in 1974? As I haven't
seen
a train like it currently running on SEPTA's commuter rail system.
Hope
someone can answer this.
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on October 06, 1997 at 20:07:57:
In Reply to: [6]Philadelphia's Commuter Rail In The 1970's posted by
Timothy on October 06, 1997 at 19:26:25:
The interior sounds like the Silverliner I, II or III vintage. Except
for some of the St Louis (II) cars which had more substantial seats,
these classes had "flip-over" seats, not walkover - the seatback spun
as it was reversed, thus it had cushioning on only one side. There are
still a good number of II's and III's in service with this style of
seat.
The curved side is less likely, as none of the 'Liners have this
feature. I do not believe the Metroliners were ever used on commuter
lines, and if they would have been, they certainly would not have had
bench seating. My suspicion is that you rode on a pre-IV 'Liner. The
IV's were delivered starting in '74, so this could easily have
happened. Also, my recollection of the Wilmington line at that time is
that it was heavily populated by MP-54's, but your description doesn't
fit them.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on October 06, 1997 at 20:44:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Gary Jacobi on
October 06, 1997 at 11:29:13:
I hope that you were not making an inuendo that students of Brooklyn
Tech are punks. I just happen to be a student attending Tech.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on October 06, 1997 at 21:37:26:
In Reply to: [5]Turbotrain??? posted by Philip Nasadowski on October
05, 1997 at 21:17:29:
I read somehwere on the net or in a trade magazine in the last week or
two that a north east transit agency, I think somewhere in PA, is
buying them and upgrading them.
They had a number designation for them after the upgrade but I dont
know if it was an electrical, control or power upgrade or all. I will
see if I can find the story or if anyone esle see's it let us know.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 06, 1997 at 22:02:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Philadelphia's Commuter Rail In The 1970's posted
by Bobw on October 06, 1997 at 20:07:57:
I do remember seeing a picture of a Metroliner-type MU train in Penn
Central colors, although I have never seen one personally. Maybe they
were experimenting with the train for a short time and later sold it
to Amtrak? Or maybe it was on lease, or something???
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Posted by Lefty on October 06, 1997 at 22:05:53:
If anyone missed "Supertrains" tonight on the Disconvery Channel I
highly highly highly reccomend you look for a rebroadcast of it, cause
it kicked ass. So look it up in your local listings!
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 06, 1997 at 22:11:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Turbotrain??? posted by Joe M on October 06, 1997
at 21:37:26:
Does this mean Amtrak is retiring them? I rode a turbo train from Penn
Station up to Niagara Falls a few years ago in Custom Class, and I
like them better than the regular Amfleet trains. They are quieter, a
lot more roomier, and have HUGE windows! What will be the replacement
train for these, if there is one?
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Posted by Steve on October 06, 1997 at 22:30:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Gary Jacobi on
October 06, 1997 at 11:29:13:
Let me also say that I hope that you are not referring to Brooklyn
Tech students as stupid punks. Brooklyn Tech is one of the NYC special
High Schools and academically is known nationwide. Tech students opt
to attend a school with a rigorous academic program and must pass an
admissions test in order to be considered for admission. Brooklyn Tech
students are definitely NOT stupid punks. If this is what you meant to
say, I think you owe the 6,000 current students and the 10s of
thousands of former students an apology.
Steve Kreisler
Class of 67
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Posted by Steve on October 06, 1997 at 22:43:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Changes on the Q and N lines posted by Ray on
October 05, 1997 at 11:26:34:
There are several reasons why this would not be done. The biggest is
political. There was a large outcry from the Q line riders when the
68As were pulled fron 'their' line. The screams would be much louder
if the 46s were moved from the Queens corridor.
Second, the R-46s average a bit more than 4 million miles per month.
If you limit the use of 30% of that fleet, then you have only shifted
the problem.
Third, was the fact that the Q line lays up at night. Moving the R-40s
to the Q will permit these cars to get more attention in maintenance
and cleaning at night, both are sorely needed.
Finally, it is not desireable to fragment fleets unnecessarilly.
Moving 30% of the 46 fleet to another shop would make no sense from a
maintenance or logistics standpoint.
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Posted by John F on October 06, 1997 at 23:06:10:
Does anyone know of any cities in the world whose subways run 24
hours, 365 days, aside from New York?
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Posted by Alan Follett on October 07, 1997 at 00:53:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia's Commuter Rail In The 1970's posted
by John on October 06, 1997 at 22:02:40:
There were indeed Metroliners in PC livery--Metroliner service began
1/16/69, well before Amtrak. In fact, the Metroliner cab cars as
originally delivered by Budd in 1967 carried PRR keystones. However,
it's very unlikely that Metroliners were used in commuter service in
the 1970s. The State of Pennsylvania did buy a few extra cars as part
of the original Metroliner order with an eye toward
Philadelphia-Harrisburg service; but as far as I know they never
operated on this line, instead being mingled with DOT/PC equipment on
Corridor trains. The only Metroliner revenue operation west of
Philadelphia that I am aware of was the operation of Tr. 201 through
from Downingtown to Washington (oddly, with no equivalent northbound
schedule) in the timetables of 10/28/89 and 4/190; and that may have
been after the retirement of the original MU equipment.
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Posted by Alan Follett on October 07, 1997 at 00:54:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia's Commuter Rail In The 1970's posted
by John on October 06, 1997 at 22:02:40:
There were indeed Metroliners in PC livery--Metroliner service began
1/16/69, well before Amtrak. In fact, the Metroliner cab cars as
originally delivered by Budd in 1967 carried PRR keystones. However,
it's very unlikely that Metroliners were used in commuter service in
the 1970s. The State of Pennsylvania did buy a few extra cars as part
of the original Metroliner order with an eye toward
Philadelphia-Harrisburg service; but as far as I know they never
operated on this line, instead being mingled with DOT/PC equipment on
Corridor trains. The only Metroliner revenue operation west of
Philadelphia that I am aware of was the operation of Tr. 201 through
from Downingtown to Washington (oddly, with no equivalent northbound
schedule) in the timetables of 10/28/89 and 4/190; and that may have
been after the retirement of the original MU equipment.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on October 07, 1997 at 02:21:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Eric ng on October 04,
1997 at 14:45:21:
I don't think anyone is seriously thinking about doing away with Grand
Street. Like you said, it is fairly heavily used. The only reason
tunnel supporters might want to bypass Grand St. is if the incline to
the station from the tunnel is too steep (I'm not an engineer so I
can't say).
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on October 07, 1997 at 02:51:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJ Transit Electrification posted by David Pirmann
on September 29, 1997 at 09:42:33:
That could be it. I guess my assumption mainly came about because
these cars sported the 'M' of the MTA, and since the Suffern-Port
Jervis line was run by the MTA, it wouldn't seem unreasonable for the
MTA buy cars for the service to Suffern. It never occurred to me that
they ran on the Morristown line.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on October 07, 1997 at 03:08:49:
In Reply to: [6]MNR order posted by ~airplane on September 30, 1997 at
20:53:36:
Are these the cars that will finally replace the ACMU's that date back
35 years ago?
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Posted by sammy on October 07, 1997 at 05:37:09:
Want to know why many people detest the subways?
Here's an odd but true story.....
I commute via the G line every night and have to leave fairly early to
get in on time at 1 am. But last night,. it was absolutely
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
If I catch the trains right, its a 30-40 minute trip at night. So I
left the house at my accustomed leaving time of 12:15 am. No problem
there.
However, the northbound G train was early, so I missed it. I can wait
for the B61 bus (which replicates the G line), but in the 40 minutes I
waited for a northbound train or the bus, neither showed (you can wait
at the top of the stairs at Nassau Ave. and see the B61 stop clearly
while waiting for the train). So finally, it looks like a northbound G
is arriving, so I rush downstairs, and the train pulls in, but
bypasses the station. Another G is right behind it, but it takes 20
minutes to reach Court Square for a 5-7 minute trip. Then, because the
brain surgeons at the MTA cut off service to Manhattan, I had a
choice: either pay another fare and take the 7 (I was refused a
transfer ticket), or go back to Queens Plaza to wait for an re-routed
E which went over the R line. I hopped an F back to Queens Plaza, and
had to wait 20 more minutes for the E. It went extremely slowly
through the 59thj Street tunnel, which just about assured me of
missing a connection to the 4 or 6 downtown, which I did, but less
than a minute. I wound up walking the 12 blocks to my office with a
total commute time of 2 hours. So here's my solution to preventing
this type of MTA idiocy:
1) Take the entire MTA board out and shoot them.
2) Disband the unions immediately - or-
3) Make them work (you know what they call a bench filled with subway
workers and one empty seat? an utter waste!!!!)
4) Make a physical strength test mandatory (Id rather have an OPTO
train than that fat, obnoxious conductor we had tonight. If there was
a crime, yeah, he would be some help).
5) Make every MTAboard member travel at odd hours to see what its like
6) Make the MTA accountable for lost pay and productivity time. I'd
love to sue these bastards.
7) Make transit available for everyone - the masses, like it should
be.
8) If there construction schedules that reduce service greatly, then
do the shuttle bus thing - Court Square, Queens Plaza, Queensboro
Plaza, 59/Lex and 53/Lex. That would give us a fighting chance to not
have to leave three hours early for work for what should be a 20
minute trip.
9) Get people with brains to run the organization. Get workers who
care about there work. As for the station cleaning crew, well there's
plenty of help available at Rikers. They should do hard labor.
10) What can we do? Yell, scream, castigate the conductor, your
assembly person, etc. Refuse to buy and use the metro card. Tell the
MTA to shove it.
...Only then will we get the service the good people of this city
deserve.
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on October 07, 1997 at 10:01:08:
In Reply to: [6]24hr. subways posted by John F on October 06, 1997 at
23:06:10:
Philadelphia's subway used to run 24/7, every half hour after 1:00 AM.
Some years ago, they replaced post-midnight service with a bus every
15 minutes. So, maybe NY is really the only one now.
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 07, 1997 at 10:01:34:
In Reply to: [6]24hr. subways posted by John F on October 06, 1997 at
23:06:10:
In Chicago, we call them 'Ls', and some of the lines run 24 hrs.
(specifically, the blue, red, and green lines, and the purple line
shuttle).
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POSTER>Carl M. Rabbin
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Posted by Carl M. Rabbin on October 07, 1997 at 10:05:05:
In Reply to: [6]you can't get there from here posted by sammy on
October 07, 1997 at 05:37:09:
Sounds like construction troubles really screwed you over that time.
Why not avoid the whole Queens Plaza / Court Square area mess during
the reconstruction by taking a southbound G to Lorimer/Metropolitan
and get the L to Union Square? Or take a southbound G to
Hoyt-Schermerhorn and get the A to the Financial District?
Good luck!!
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 07, 1997 at 10:16:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Mark S Feinman
on October 06, 1997 at 12:33:23:
Reminds me of a short lived 'NX' express service (circa 1967 or 1968)
which operated basically over the 'N' route from 57th St, via the
south
tracks of the Manhattan Bridge (yes, they really did carry trains at
one
time!), to Brighton Beach, express in Brooklyn stopping only at
Pacific St.,
36 St., 59 St., Coney Island, W. 8th, Ocean Pky., and Brighton Beach.
(actually used the Sea Beach Line express tracks!)
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 07, 1997 at 10:35:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: YELLOW SIGNS, ORANGE SIGNS posted by John da
stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:22:03:
No, Bergen Street. The craftsmen out there really produce some nice
stuff. It is housed in an old trolleybus barn, in not too nice an
area, south of the Atlantic Ave. LIRR elevated structure. Between
Albany & Troy Avs., I think.
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on October 07, 1997 at 11:01:42:
In Reply to: [6]Supertrains posted by Lefty on October 06, 1997 at
22:05:53:
I taped it, too busy watching the Yankees lose. I did flip to it on
comercial and it look cool. Saw the UP Chalanger but how much of it
was high speed and how much steam?
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Posted by Lou on October 07, 1997 at 11:51:58:
I know this is beat to death here but it has been a little over a week
with me riding the R40s on the Q line and I do miss the R68/68a's.
I normaly catch the 7:02ish at Kings Highway (that would be what
Brighton 6:56?) and with the R68 there were pleanty of seats left.
With the R40s not a seat to be found (I guess lack of seat cut outs
detracts). I also find the 40's **A LOT** more noisy than the 68's.
I don't miss the door chimes though and you can not hear the crew
talking over problems on the PA since there is no intercom. I did ride
in the front railfan window (>G
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 07, 1997 at 13:31:50:
In Reply to: [5]Front signs-B Division (Corrected at end) posted by
Charles Fiori on October 03, 1997 at 19:48:47:
Just out of curiosity-"W"???!!!??"v"???!!?? or was the NYCTA just
planning ahead?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 07, 1997 at 14:21:47:
In Reply to: [5]I miss my 68 posted by Lou on October 07, 1997 at
11:51:58:
Know what you mean, Lou. I remember back in what must have been 1979
or so, due to the R46 problems, R10s got switched to the D (replacing
R44s), R46s to the CC, etc. That's also when the MDBF on the R44s was
something like 5,000 miles and the B Division still had the R16s with
which it had to contend. I actually remember seeing a train of R38s on
the JFK Express during that same period!!!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 07, 1997 at 16:41:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why not all over head? posted by Philip Nasadowski
on October 03, 1997 at 18:09:36:
Hate to disagree with you, Phil, but our Mickey Mouse light rail here
in Sacramento, built in 1987, runs on 1500V DC overhead, as do many
others around the country. The "old rules" about AC, DC and Voltage
have been somewhat overridden by Solid State technology.
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Posted by John on October 07, 1997 at 16:54:01:
If the NJTransit Morristown Line is electrified, why are diesel-hauled
trains frequently used? Is this because of lack of electric or MU
equipment?
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Posted by Michael Brucculeri on October 07, 1997 at 17:32:46:
In Reply to: [6]I miss my 68 posted by Lou on October 07, 1997 at
11:51:58:
It's funny you say that....I live at 169 and braodway and regularly
rode R-40 B trains instead of the A just so I could get that great
view out the window. The R-68's seem so sterile! I miss my 40!!!
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Posted by David L. on October 07, 1997 at 17:33:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Steve on
October 05, 1997 at 18:11:45:
Speaking of the G Train, how many R-32's are assigned to that line. In
recent weeks, I've been on quite a few R-32's running on the G-line.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 07, 1997 at 17:36:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Charles Fiori on October
07, 1997 at 14:21:47:
I remember this period also when it seemed like nearly every IND line
swapped equipment overnight. I think R-10s also showed up on the E & F
also. I also remeber seeing R-38s on the JFK Express a couple of
times. I felt the same way Lou feels now when the R-68As were taken
from the D line.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 07, 1997 at 17:51:16:
In Reply to: [6]Electric or Diesel posted by John on October 07, 1997
at 16:54:01:
The Morristown line electrification ends at Dover; any trains
travelling past there to Hackettstown (another ~20 miles) must be
diesel. Most of these trains go via the Boonton Line, which is also
not electrified. But I think there may be one or two trips a day
Hackettstown - Hoboken via Summit.
Also, on nights and weekends frequently there is power work going on
which would require all or part of the catenary to be shut down. In
the winter-time they'll sometimes have frozen catenary or worse,
pull-downs, but that can happen at any time, really.
When the Midtown Direct connection opened, most of the ALP-44 locos
were switched to Dover-NY-Penn service, with some amount of Arrow cars
going to the NEC. So it's possible that from time to time there's an
eqiupment shortage too. I guess you'd have to have an "official"
answer on this one..
-dave
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Posted by subway-buff on October 07, 1997 at 18:35:27:
In Reply to: [6]L and J/Z connection (F.K.A. Re: ENY El Ramp) posted
by John da stranger on October 04, 1997 at 23:28:34:
They are two separate items. First there is a track connection between
the J/z and the L and also between both lines and the E NY Yard. The
tracks we are discussing is the track that rise above the center track
on the J Platform that stops suddenly.
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Posted by Steve on October 07, 1997 at 19:42:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by David L. on
October 07, 1997 at 17:33:20:
The G Line is supposed to have 14 6-car R-46 trains assigned to it.
14 A-B-B-A Units
13 A-A Units
1 A-B Unit
Any deviation from the above is due to a shortage of R-46 cars.
Currently, the R-46 fleet is undergoing a 6 year mini-overhaul in
Coney Island which
could cause some periodic car shortages. R-32s are not assigned to the
G line.
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 07, 1997 at 20:17:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: L and J/Z connection (F.K.A. Re: ENY El Ramp)
posted by subway-buff on October 07, 1997 at 18:35:27:
I just rescanned some pictures of this area. In [7]this picture you
can clearly see the ramp rising above Alabama Av. Station on the
extreme left of the shot.
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Posted by Lefty on October 07, 1997 at 20:26:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Supertrains posted by Lou on October 07, 1997 at
11:01:42:
i taped it also while watching the yankees lose..
went all the way up to maglev trains.. and tgv's and what not.. it was
mostly about modern stuff..
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Posted by subway-buff on October 07, 1997 at 20:44:47:
In Reply to: [6]I miss my 68 posted by Lou on October 07, 1997 at
11:51:58:
I agree. It was also strange yet Deja Vue to see an R312 (brightliner)
back on Brighton. The R40s/r40M/R42 have one other good thing. At
least in my opinion (and that of Greller), they seem to have the
coldest a/c- I love to ride those in the summer to cool off even
though they are elevated. I know that NYCT says the E is the coolest
since it never goes above ground but I have been in many an oven of
R32.
It is also strange to see the 68 cars on the B (and yes- they are
still running 40S and 40M on the B- I saw 3--- 1 straight and 2 slant
on 10/6/1997. If you like 40s on the B el, try the M train from Bay
Parkway!
(Note to Jason 722 Miles-thanks for the door closing wav file!)
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Posted by Nick on October 07, 1997 at 21:56:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: E Train Assignments posted by John da stranger on
October 04, 1997 at 23:08:00:
The only thing I miss about the R-46's is the blue "E" sticker...so
you knew immediatly what train was coming into the station. However,
it's convenient in the areas where the E and F share a track, because
if you don't see an orange sticker, you know it's the E.-NICK
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on October 07, 1997 at 22:48:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: British Rail Crash posted by Keranu on September
28, 1997 at 09:13:16:
I heard it was an Intercity 125 that crashed, about the APT, it hasn't
worked since 86 and is left rotting outside Crewe, saw it last summer.
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POSTER>David Lee
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Posted by David Lee on October 07, 1997 at 22:57:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by David L. on
October 06, 1997 at 20:44:28:
Two more things. The entrance to the Fulton St station and Brooklyn
Tech are on the same block, so it makes more sense to use the Fulton
St Station rather than walk over a few blocks to Hoyt Schernerhorn.
Also, the crowded platfrom I was talking about was the Queens-bound
platform. Walking to Hoyt -Schermerhorn would make some sense if you
were a south-bound passenger transfering there for the A or C. But in
this case- it's students heading back into Queens.
In addition to what Steve has to say- Brooklyn Tech students are not
stupid or lazy punks. Brooklyn Tech has graduated more scientists and
engineers than any other high schools in this nation- we are not
stupid. many of my classmates have 10 classes from 8:00-3:40 without a
lunch period- we are not lazy.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 07, 1997 at 23:22:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why not all over head? posted by Gary Jacobi on
October 07, 1997 at 16:41:22:
I believe that ALL new Light Rail systems are 750 DC , not 1500.
"Legacy" systems (Boston, Philadelphia, Cleveland, San Francisco,
Pittsburgh, etc.) are all 600 volts. Even Baltimore, with our AC
motored LRV's, takes commercial AC (at 4400 volts), convers it to 750
DC, which is then converted (on the car) to variable frequency AC at
750 volts for the brushless AC motors. Talk about solid state
technology. Same voltage "rules" apply to subway systems, too - if
it's been there "forever", it's 600, if it's new it's 750.
1500 volt Dc was usually interurban voltage / IC MU cars / South
Shore.
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POSTER>sammy
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Posted by sammy on October 08, 1997 at 02:57:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: you can't get there from here posted by Carl M.
Rabbin on October 07, 1997 at 10:05:05:
that's not the point. Firstly I work uptown, and going downtown would
be a waste of time, effort and energy.
Second of all, I am a taxpayer and I do have the right to mass/rapid
transit. Its what we are paying for.
If the idiots who run the MTA can't see clear to properly plan and
minimize the effect of construction on neighborhoods (they will choke
the economic life out of Greenpoint and Long Island City because of
this shortsightedness), then why should I support the MTA with my tax
dollars? What Im trying to stress here is that this trip from hell
could have been easily avoided if someone one from the MTA thought
about what they were doing. Hey. This is not brain surgery. Its also
time we made people responsible for their work and its effect on the
taxpaying public.
Why should I support the MTA unions? They fight against productivity,
seem to work less than two hours a day, have total disregard for rules
(they smoke in stations and at work on the tracks) and they have no
pride whatsoever.
Want to know why work takes so long and the cost of the subway is so
high? Unions. Plane and simple. The MTA needs to grow two things to
avoid this mess and win passengers back: brains and balls. Too bad
they lack both.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997 at 07:54:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Front signs-B Division (Corrected at end) posted
by Lou from Middletown on October 07, 1997 at 13:31:50:
Lou, as Dave Barry says, "I'm not making this up." Planning ahead, I
think. My next listing up here will be the side route signs put in the
R32-38s. One reading I remember has the J, in a brown diamond, going
out to Brighton!!
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Posted by Lou on October 08, 1997 at 09:02:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Michael Brucculeri on
October 07, 1997 at 17:32:46:
Sorry I rode the headend on a R40s the other day. The Q line is just
not exciting enough for a headend ride. Real straight no big curves
(little one round Church/Parkside) and no big switching until you get
off 6 Ave (haven't gone headend to 21st Queensbridge in awhile).
For a daily morning commute I want the 68 which is MUCH more quite
then the 40's (hehe) so I can doze.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 08, 1997 at 12:27:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: L and J/Z connection (F.K.A. Re: ENY El Ramp)
posted by David Pirmann on October 07, 1997 at 20:17:07:
Which way is the camera pointed in the new BWJct. photo? East? The
unused ramp appears light in color because it has no tis installed,
but apparently is being painted regularly. Does this mean something
might still be built?
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 08, 1997 at 12:47:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why not all over head? posted by Dan Lawrence on
October 07, 1997 at 23:22:15:
Yes, I am wrong again! I went so far as to call the Siemens-Duwag car
building facility here in Sacramento, and they agreed with 750VDC.
This really made me worry about my powers of memory, so I pulled out
the Light Rail EIS from our files, and they had indeed proposed
1500VDC in 1983, but presumably saner heads prevailed at design time.
( THEY ALSO HAD PROPOSED SINGLE-ENDED CARS )
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997 at 13:24:25:
Somewhere on this board, I saw reference to a wav file of doors
closing. Where can this be tracked down? Can the owner or person in
the know fess up? Is there a storehouse of such things?? Thanks.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 08, 1997 at 13:33:53:
In Reply to: [6]WAV files posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997
at 13:24:25:
You've probably seen numerous requests but never an actual sound. But
I just uploaded one to [7]ftp://nycsubway.org/pub/subway
It's the only subway-related sound i've come across so no, there's no
storehouse.
-Dave
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 08, 1997 at 13:58:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Lou on October 08, 1997 at
09:02:02:
Not exciting enough??
The Brighton line offers a great deal of variety not
offered by other lines:
- elevated EL to Neptune Ave
- elevated embankment to Ave H
- open cut to Propsect Park
- tunnel to Manhattan Bridge
- the ride over the Mahnattan Bridge
... and "no big switching" / "no big curves"? Gee, I
always thought the DeKalb Ave complex was fascinating.
An interesting note is that with the C going to OPTO
(and getting R-46s, I believe), the B getting 68s, the
A mostly R-44s and the D remaining with 68s, one is
hard-pressed to get a cab view of the express stretch
between 59th St and 145th St. (Unless you wait for the
occasional A train consisting of R-38s).
And with the change in equipment, well, I guess I'll
have to take a day off and spend some more time
rainfanning the Brighton Line ... :-)
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 08, 1997 at 14:03:14:
In Reply to: [6]24hr. subways posted by John F on October 06, 1997 at
23:06:10:
I *think* London still runs 24/7.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 08, 1997 at 14:09:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: WAV files posted by David Pirmann on October 08,
1997 at 13:33:53:
Hmmm ... just tried this link and all I got was a link
to a higher level subdirectory. No .WAV file.
Tried standard anonymous FTP, too. AM I missing
something?
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 08, 1997 at 14:12:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rush hour Westend Express posted by Ed Sachs on
October 07, 1997 at 10:16:01:
Yes, as I answered this thread, I was thinking about
the NX. Woulda been a nice run to watch from the
railfan window.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 08, 1997 at 14:17:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: L and J/Z connection (F.K.A. Re: ENY El Ramp)
posted by Gary Jacobi on October 08, 1997 at 12:27:58:
The camera is facing East (towards Queens).
You are correct in that there are no tiles installed.
My guess about it being painted regularly is that it is
an integral part of the support structure in that area
and needs to be maintained with the rest of the El.
There isn't anything being planned for that area that I
am aware of.
--Mark
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 08, 1997 at 14:32:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 24hr. subways posted by Mark S Feinman on October
08, 1997 at 14:03:14:
I'm told they shut down on Christmas Day, however. So technically,
it's not 24/7.
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Posted by jermaine Cooper on October 08, 1997 at 15:08:31:
I've been trying to look for a place in this website to identify what
R-type cars are currently operating whatever number or letter line.
For Example R-46's the R,F, and G Lines.
Ex. R-68's the B,D,Q,N, and S Lines.
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 08, 1997 at 15:13:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: L and J/Z connection (F.K.A. Re: ENY El Ramp)
posted by Gary Jacobi on October 08, 1997 at 12:27:58:
The picture was taken from the "L" platform at Broadway Junction,
facing east toward Alabama Ave. The train on the track in the
foreground is on the flyover from northbound "L" line to westbound "J"
line (not normally used in revenue service - nowadays at least).
Things get painted because it's cheaper to paint it than to demolish
it, or wait till it rusts and then falls down... there are more
pressing issues than building something on that ramp :-)
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Posted by jermaine Cooper on October 08, 1997 at 15:20:13:
Does this mean the Subway cars of the future will not have a "ding -
dong" noise when doors close?
When I road on that r-110a car currently on the 2 line hearing those
beep-beep noises, I hated it!!! I was having a bad headache too!! I
hope the new R-142 cars in the future go back to the "ding dong" tones
instead of the Beeps when the doors close!!!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 08, 1997 at 15:40:21:
In Reply to: [6]what line is currently runing R-110b cars(ind/bmt)
posted by jermaine Cooper on October 08, 1997 at 15:08:31:
See the faq-- [7]faq
We have a slightly out of date list. A lot of trains have been
reassigned in recent weeks. When I get more recent data I'll update
the faq.
--Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 08, 1997 at 15:42:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 24hr. subways posted by Mark S Feinman on October
08, 1997 at 14:03:14:
No, no, no... Last Underground trains depart around 12:15. Night buses
radiating out from Trafalgar Square take over after that. Yes, they
close on Christmas. Some other holidays too I think.
--Dave
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 08, 1997 at 15:46:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: WAV files posted by Mark S Feinman on October 08,
1997 at 14:09:55:
There should be a file called subway.wav and one called subway.au
panix> ftp nycsubway.org
Connected to nycsubway.org
220 quartz FTP server (Version wu-2.4(1) Mon May 9 22:28:22 EDT 1994)
ready.
Name (quuxuum.org:pirmann): ftp
331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
Password:
230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
ftp> cd /pub/subway
ftp> ls
subway.au
bignysubway.zip
bigyards.zip
yards.zip
nysubway.zip
subway.wav
ftp>
Did I post the link wrong? it should be ftp://nycsubway.org/pub/subway
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997 at 16:34:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: WAV files posted by David Pirmann on October 08,
1997 at 15:46:31:
No good, I keep getting the higher directories, too. This type of
thing would be kind of cool. As always, your efforts are appreciated.
Any thought to breaking up the bulletin board into specific areas of
interest, while keeping the main one running? Or, as I have seen
elsewhere, highlighting with a 'bullet' those posts which came
"today."
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Posted by Subway-buff on October 08, 1997 at 16:52:29:
In Reply to: [6]WAV files posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997
at 13:24:25:
I asked, on Deja-News, NYC.Transit if anyone had the sound as a wav
file. Jason Decasare has also posted on subtalk sent me an e-mail
attachment. with the sound. his e-mail is miles722@erols.com
I use the sound to exit windows and am fixing to use it to close
programs.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 08, 1997 at 17:17:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: WAV files posted by Charles Fiori on October 08,
1997 at 16:34:12:
Use the View by Date page to see what came in today... I suppose I
could make it boldface today's articles, or the ones in the past 24
hours or whatnot.
Try using a regular FTP client program like WS_FTP and see if you can
get to the files...
WebBoard is really pissy to set up multiple webboards. I don't think
there's enough volume on the main board to justify multiple boards..
-Dave
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on October 08, 1997 at 20:47:28:
In Reply to: [6]24hr. subways posted by John F on October 06, 1997 at
23:06:10:
PATCO, technically a subway within Phila, still runs around the clock,
as it has since its inception.
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on October 08, 1997 at 20:49:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia's Commuter Rail In The 1970's posted
by John on October 06, 1997 at 22:02:40:
The Metroliners were purchased by Penn Central and ran with PC heralds
before Amtrak's takeover. I believe Metroliner service started in
1969.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on October 08, 1997 at 21:05:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Mark S Feinman on October
08, 1997 at 13:58:17:
And don't forget about the nice view of the abandoned Myrtle Ave
Station if you're on a Manhattan-bound train.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 08, 1997 at 21:09:38:
In Reply to: [6]what line is currently runing R-110b cars(ind/bmt)
posted by jermaine Cooper on October 08, 1997 at 15:08:31:
OK - I'll try to do this from memory but I don't guarantee 100%
accuracy:
A R-38 R-44 R-110B
B R-68A
C R-32 R-38
D R-68
E R-32 (sometimes R-46)
F R-46
G R-46 (sometimes R-32)
J/Z R-40M R-42
L R-42
M R-42
N R-32 R-68
Q R-40S
R R-46
FS R-68
S R-44
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POSTER>Adam Weiss
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Posted by Adam Weiss on October 08, 1997 at 21:25:25:
In Reply to: [6]WAV files posted by Charles Fiori on October 08, 1997
at 13:24:25:
I was wondering if anyone can help me. I have a number of good subway
sounds on a micro-tape, one of those small tapes. One of them is a
particularly nice and clear sound of the doors closing. However, I
have NO idea how to transfer them from my tape to my computer and onto
the Internet. If someone could help me I would gladly make them
available on a website. Thanks!
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on October 08, 1997 at 22:25:33:
In Reply to: [5]I dont like the Beep noise on R110a posted by jermaine
Cooper on October 08, 1997 at 15:20:13:
Hmm, I wonder if it's as bad as the screeches heard on Bombardier
Bi-levels...
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on October 08, 1997 at 22:25:40:
In Reply to: [5]I dont like the Beep noise on R110a posted by jermaine
Cooper on October 08, 1997 at 15:20:13:
Hmm, I wonder if it's as bad as the screeches heard on Bombardier
Bi-levels...
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POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Slamtrak Talgo Tilters...
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Posted by Nathan on October 08, 1997 at 22:27:37:
I know this doesn't have to do with subway systems etc, but does
anyone know how fast the SPanish Talgo-Pendular trains operate in
service between Vancouver, Seattle and Portland?
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POSTER>chris
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SUBJECT>New Orion DOT Buses==total 30
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Posted by chris on October 20, 1997 at 20:33:40:
Can anyone please confirm if Orion V,,or Orion VI Low FLoor..Presently
,there are 30
If anyone needs other roster info on DOT Buses,Let me
know,,,christof@webtv.net
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 20, 1997 at 22:47:57:
In Reply to: [6]10/26 Liberty State Park RR Show posted by Bobw on
October 20, 1997 at 20:26:49:
I too was expecting this show, but there is no mention of it in this
month's "Trains" or "Railfan and Railroad". I live two minutes away so
I'll swing over and see if it's there anyway, but I am not expecting
anything... If I were you it wouldn't be worth the trip...
--Dave
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on October 21, 1997 at 01:34:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Turboliners posted by Philip Nasadowski on October
20, 1997 at 20:02:36:
ALright, all this talk about slamtrak turbo's has me wondering: Is
there
a preserved/mothballed CN Turbotrain?? If there is they should really
do a fan trip sometime, it'd be a change from the mundane airline
style LRC's.
One other thing: Seeing as VIA Rail tends to follow slAmtrak's
beautiful example, do you think they will finally get the hint and
implement high speed ELECTRIC trains between Toronto and Montreal???
Or are they going to sit on their collective asses and let the system
wither....
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 21, 1997 at 02:19:51:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Line Designations===New posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
I read in the papers recently that if the Amtrak strike happens, there
was going to be a special "P" train that would run express from
Jamacia to Midtwon, possibly via Chrsytie Street connection like the
old K line? So could it be that those letters are used in the event of
a special situation or emergency?
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POSTER>sammy
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Posted by sammy on October 21, 1997 at 03:13:29:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Line Designations===New posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
As far as I know, the V was supposed to run on the sixth avenue line
and possibly to queens. There is a service sign that has been peeled
away (its along the queens blvd line somewhere) that says something
about the V line's service. I believe this sign was made in the
seventies or early eighties
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 21, 1997 at 07:20:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Line Designations===New posted by Fernando
Perez on October 21, 1997 at 02:19:51:
I can hear the conversation at the token booth now:
Commuter: "Sir, how do I get to Manhattan?"
Agent: "Take a P."
Maybe THAT'S why this letter is unused?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: 10/26 Liberty State Park RR Show
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 21, 1997 at 07:29:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 10/26 Liberty State Park RR Show posted by David
Pirmann on October 20, 1997 at 22:47:57:
I was once able to call Liberty State Park and ask them. People there
were very helpful. Try 201-915-3401 for info.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 21, 1997 at 07:34:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Mark S Feinman on
October 20, 1997 at 12:43:49:
Vibrations occurred because the Rockwell trucks were falling apart.
Reminds me of a story I heard when I worked at Jay Street. Some TA
managers were summoned to a woman's home along the Brighton line. They
were somewhat incredulous of her contention that the vibrations she
felt from passing trains were most acutely felt when she was on the
commode. So, to do the right thing, one of the managers sat down, in
anticipation of an R46 passing by. The woman's husband happened in and
said to the man, "What the heck are you doing here, buddy??" "Waiting
for a train," the TA manager said. LOL
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POSTER>George
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SUBJECT>Re: $100,000,000 Surplus
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Posted by George on October 21, 1997 at 09:05:46:
In Reply to: [5]$100,000,000 Surplus posted by Jeff on October 19,
1997 at 18:16:46:
While $100,000,000 surplus seems like quite a sum of money, it's too
early to determine whether this will turn into a trend or if it's just
an isolated incident. Considering the great deal of overhead the MTA
has (utilities, Payroll, Advertising, Maintenance, etc.)and not to
mention capital expenditures (new subway cars and buses), the
$100,000,000 can be used up relatively fast. I agree lowering the fair
is foolish, serving only as a political stunt and it will rise again.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 21, 1997 at 09:06:54:
In Reply to: [5]Subway Crime posted by Subman on October 17, 1997 at
10:55:41:
Funny, this past weekend on my travels I saw somthing like 20 cops .
On the IRT they did the old two man walk through. Both enter car from
end door, one walks through as the other waits. Then the 2nd one
follows and they both exit car. They wrote summons on the car in front
and behind mine for open container and unsafe riding.
Now transfering at Atlantic we had 5 grey shirt Acadamey "students"
escorted by a sargent and 2 other cops onto the D. Where they then
showed how to write summons for open container.
I haven't seen anymore cops during rush hour though....
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on October 16, 1997 at 20:13:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Slamtrak Talgo Tilters... posted by John on
October 09, 1997 at 00:07:44:
Yeah, the schedule needs work... I was going down to Seattle last
weekend
but I missed the train, took me over an hour to get to the skytrain (a
10 minute trip normally) and then I ran into the station only to see
the train leaving...
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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SUBJECT>Re: Second Avenue Subway TA $$ on them
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 21, 1997 at 09:09:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Second Avenue Subway posted by Mark Greenwald on
October 18, 1997 at 17:12:32:
I remember some news story about the TA spending a million on
ventilation or drains or somthing for the unused 2nd Ave tunnels. The
normal action of trains passing through the tunnel is absent from 2nd
Ave and they are having some structural problems so they had to spend
money to keep maintained. The report said they send inspection teams
into the tunnel on a regular bassis.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 21, 1997 at 09:14:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Line Designations===New posted by Todd
Glickman on October 21, 1997 at 07:20:33:
Actually, I believe that when the letter system was extended to the
BMT lines in the late 50's, the 'P' line was supposed to be the Culver
line. However, before any roll signs were made with the new
designations
(the R27's in 1960), the Culver line had been reduced to a shuttle
service
and thus 'P' did not appear.
Historical note -- for several years after most of the Culver line
became
part of the IND, weekday through service was still operated between
Ditmas Ave. and Chambers St.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 21, 1997 at 10:11:16:
In Reply to: [6]Take the "P" train posted by Ed Sachs on October 21,
1997 at 09:14:40:
Actually, weren't all the locals in the 1970's or so double letters??
That would have made the P the PP. I tend to think that would have led
to at least some bad jokes about subway service at the time ;)
Anyway......
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POSTER>John M.
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Posted by John M. on October 21, 1997 at 10:11:20:
What are some opinions on the new bus-stop signs? I think they're more
informative than the old ones, but they're also a little too
cutesy-poo nostalgic.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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SUBJECT>Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes (or Music Videos)
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on October 21, 1997 at 10:28:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes (or Music
Videos) posted by Bobw on October 20, 1997 at 17:48:48:
You're right about the music videos---I remember a country music video
that took place in a NY subway (don't remember the details). It was
Ricky Scaggs "I'm just a country boy at heart"
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POSTER>Lenny Zenith
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SUBJECT>STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS
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Posted by Lenny Zenith on October 21, 1997 at 10:53:56:
In London there are signs at the entrance of escalators - STAND RIGHT,
PASS LEFT (or something to that effect), thus allowing those who want
to walk up the escalators to pass on the left while those who want to
stand stay on the right.
Apparently many people were not taught this simple rule in elementary
school.
Could these signs be posted?
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 21, 1997 at 11:34:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Controler (Non R44/46) Deadman? posted by
Steve on October 17, 1997 at 21:39:14:
Now it all makes sense. Since the R-9s were the last cars with
automatic (train) air, there was no way to interlock the brake and
dead-man reliably, thus the need for the lock-down as on the 4000s in
Chicago. Interestingly, none of Boston's train air cars ever had a
deadman, the 1924 East Boston cars got one when they were converted to
SMEE in 1952. The other cars had a spring loaded power handle which
returned to off when released, but nothing to interlock the brakes.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 12:02:58:
In Reply to: [5]STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Lenny
Zenith on October 21, 1997 at 10:53:56:
Yes, I've wondered about this for years. The one place I've seen this
done (consistently) on the NYC subway are the escalators at the west
end of the #7 line platform at Grand Central that leads to the
mezzanine level of the Lexington Ave line. In Washinton, DC, I haven't
noticed any signs posted by WMATA, but people routinely stand on the
right and walk on the left. Another thing that goes along with the
courtesy is that in many places people form a line to board buses, but
it's only done in certain places in New York City.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 21, 1997 at 12:28:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Steve on October
17, 1997 at 21:32:47:
Since C = 8th Av.-Concourse and B = 6th Av.-Washington Hts...
therefore the change would make the C into an A and the B into a D...
...but there is already an A and a D so now the only savior is to make
the C into an AA and the B into a DD to keep within the excellent plan
devised by the designers of the IND back in the thirties.
...but that would mean double letters, which are verboten in the
nineties so we need another solution... We can revive the old (60s)
BMT designation for the West End Line and make that the T and the old
(30s) designation for the Fulton St. Local and make that the H. Now we
have the perfect service for drunks as we have the DT line going to
the Bronx and you can breath a sigh of relief headed for Washington
Heights on the AH.....
While we are at it, we could complete the takeover of the IND by the
BMT by making the D the Q for Brighton and the Q could become the U
since that letter is available. Now the Culver line never had a BMT
designation, but given the pattern of N, Q, and T, the Culver would
obviously be the W. Next the south end of the A uses the old Liberty
Av. extension of the Fulton St. el so that should get a BMT
designation too. How about the unused 'P' ... wait! that even goes
with Pitkin. So now having eliminated almost every existing IND
designation, we note that the E shares a terminal with the J, so lets
revive the K for that. Finally there is the G, which serves Greenpoint
and bridges the Gowanus Canal and is the only pure IND line left. We
solve that problem by building a connection from the Brooklyn - Queens
crosstown line into the unused part of the 63rd. St. tunnel and then
tieing it into the Broadway-7th Av. line on the Manhattan side as an
express terminating at Canal St. Since doing all this makes no sense
at all, it would be the Y line!
So now we have:
H Euclid to 168th St.
J Broad St. to Jamaica Center
K WTC to Jamaica Center
L 8th Av. to Carnasie
M West End to Myrtle Av.
N Sea Beach to Astoria
P Lefferts/Rockaway to 207th St.
Q Brighton to Concourse
R Fort Hamilton to Continental Av.
T West End to Concourse
U Brighton to Continental Av.
W Culver to 179th - Hillside
Y Canal St. to Smith - 9th
This eliminates any trace of the common sense used by the designers of
the IND in designating the lines and accepts the fact that the BMT has
really absorbed the IND. If only Mayor Hylan could be here...
Within a few days about 3 million New Yorkers would be lost, since
without their familiar designations, the only people who knew where
they were going would be the riders of the J, L, M, N, R and the IRT.
OK, this is a bit radical, but its nice to poke fun at the planners
now and then. Lets face it - to have lasted as long as it did, the
AB-CD-EF to ACE-BDF system must have been pretty well thought out. Why
mess with it now?
Readers of this message will self-destruct in 10
seconds................
Gerry
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 21, 1997 at 12:37:00:
In Reply to: [6]Take the "P" train posted by Ed Sachs on October 21,
1997 at 09:14:40:
While on this thread, check the thread re: the R-40R32 swap for a
message I posted about taking this letter bit to its logical(?)
conclusion (or is it confusion???).
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on October 16, 1997 at 20:16:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Slamtrak Talgo Tilters... posted by Brent Foster
on October 09, 1997 at 17:14:52:
Yeah, the TALGO's in Spain operate at 200km/h and (apparently)
can change wheel guage while moving! (Could just be a Renfe legend)
About the subway gene, I have to admit that I've had it for about 14
years, and have only been alive 16!
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Posted by Dave on October 21, 1997 at 12:50:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Wayne
Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 12:02:58:
I'd settle for street people no longer peeing on the escalators.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 13:13:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Gerry O'Regan on
October 21, 1997 at 12:28:32:
My thoughts are that if and when this happens we will no longer have
each of the lines being serviced by trains from both 8th and 6th Ave
lines. However, in terms of equipment storage/maintainance it does
seem to make sense.
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on October 21, 1997 at 14:36:04:
In Reply to: [5]New Orion DOT Buses==total 30 posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 20:33:40:
they are orion 5.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 21, 1997 at 14:54:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Wayne
Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 12:02:58:
One may remember a unique sign at the east end of the Flushing train
plat at GC. "HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS"
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 21, 1997 at 15:22:54:
In Reply to: [5]STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Lenny
Zenith on October 21, 1997 at 10:53:56:
This is the first time I have heard of "Passing on escalators"
anywhere but NY. I didn't experience it in DC, probably because I got
off at Roslyn, where the length of the escalator is FORBIDDING! I have
not experienced the practice anywhere else either, and I like to use
it as an example of what the pace in NY is like. As far as "common
courtesy" is concerned, I don't think anyone who is concerned about
courtesy would consider bargeing past others on an escalator to gain a
few lousy seconds.
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POSTER>Jerry
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Posted by Jerry on October 21, 1997 at 16:45:04:
In Reply to: [5]New bus stop signs posted by John M. on October 21,
1997 at 10:11:20:
I think that they're great. Can be seen from a distance and give info
more clearly than the old ones. It's obviously a matter of one's
taste, but I think they look good too.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 16:49:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Gary
Jacobi on October 21, 1997 at 15:22:54:
As I native New Yorker it would make sense for them to stand on the
right sense there always seem to be that group of people who'd rather
walk up the escalator. New York, after all is a fast paced city. I've
lived in the DC area for 1 year and each day on may commute from
Silver Spring to downtown Washington (and back) people are standing on
the right and walking on the left. I don't see it as barging,
especially since the escalators are wide. Now on a narrow escalator, I
agree: people should not be trying to walk past others. New York is a
great city and I'm always proud to call it my home, but terms of
common courtesy, both as motorists and pedestrians/straphangers they
have a lot to learn from other cities.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 21, 1997 at 17:40:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NEW LIRR DIESEL PICS!!(eeeewwwww! THAT's a
diesel?) posted by Nathan on October 19, 1997 at 13:54:58:
My first reaction was the same as yours, but if you look closely at
all the pictures you will see that the ugly shot is of the back end of
the beast. The little cab window is for solo back-up moves.
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 21, 1997 at 19:20:12:
In Reply to: [5]Take the "P" train posted by Ed Sachs on October 21,
1997 at 09:14:40:
Can anyone tell me something - The generally accepted history of signs
is that when new roll signs were ordered in the early '60s, all
lettered signs were ordered; then howcome I've seen pictures of trains
(R-32s & others), with numbered signs i.e. a #4 with the destination
Coney Island,etc. See the original edtion of Cudahy for example. Just
wondering.....
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 21, 1997 at 20:17:14:
In Reply to: [6]New bus stop signs posted by John M. on October 21,
1997 at 10:11:20:
The new poles with the smaller route signs on one side, and the
destination and main road on them? They seem to be popping up at major
transfer points. Not bad, but I still expect them to be damaged by
vandals.
-Hank
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on October 16, 1997 at 20:19:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I dont like the Beep noise on R110a posted by John
on October 09, 1997 at 15:21:18:
Or London tubes (and Glasgow Strathclyde PTE trains) spirally sound,
almost sounds like a musical toilet flush!
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POSTER>Hank Eisenstein
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on October 21, 1997 at 20:23:05:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Line Designations===New posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
this has been gone over numerous times. W is for Astoria-B'way service
rush hours when the Manhattan Bridge and 63st connection open
(Astoria-South Ferry) The V is a 'via sixth avenue' service that will
be used for queens Blvd service when the 63st connection opens. the
train will terminate at World Trade Center. The black letters in white
circles are for supplemental services, like the 'P' that will be used
for the LIRR strike express.
-Hank
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POSTER>Jim Tesoriero
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Posted by Jim Tesoriero on October 21, 1997 at 20:48:20:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Line Designations===New posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
The New York Division Bulletin - October 1997 - Electric Railroaders
Association gives a list of R44/R46 Electronic Sign Readings.
Hank hits it right on. The V looks like it could potentially be
extended down the Culver or Brighton Line for a southern terminus. The
W could potentially go down to 95th Street or Coney Island via
Brighton, Sea Beach, or West End on the southern end.
Let me know if you want a faxed copy of my list.
Jim
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Posted by Jim Tesoriero on October 21, 1997 at 21:31:32:
Is there anyone out there that knows of an HO Scale NYC Subway Layout
in existence, or is there anyone out there interested in building one
from scratch.
I'm talking with some friends about modeling the Brighton Line from
Prospect Park (open cut) to Brighton Beach (raised embankment/4 track
elevated.)
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Posted by John on October 21, 1997 at 21:56:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Wayne
Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 12:02:58:
The only place where I see actual lines to board busses is at the Port
Authority, and even then, some people wait in the gate area for their
bus to show up before lining up at the doorway (such as myself, not
knowing what door my bus will stop at).
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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SUBJECT>Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes
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Posted by Michael Berson on October 21, 1997 at 22:07:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes posted by
Charles Fiori on October 17, 1997 at 13:23:20:
From what I remember, the beginning of Welcome Back Kotter showed
R-32's while the end showed an R-42 with the BLUE STRIPE!! Both were B
trains.
The R-32 had the white letter B in the Black Circle on the front-top
of the train. The R-42 had the BIG letter B on the front-side. The
R-42 also had the long windows in the side doors and the oblong window
in the front door. (The R-42 front windows were longer than the R-32's
but smaller than the original R-40's.)
Really do miss the old R-42's with the blue stripe, big sign and
larger window doors. The rebuilds are too plain looking.
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Posted by F40C#614 on October 21, 1997 at 22:25:06:
In Reply to: [5]STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Lenny
Zenith on October 21, 1997 at 10:53:56:
The escalators at CUS (Chicago Union Station) are labeled as such
but not those at CPT. (Chicago Passenger Terminal or North Western
Station which has now been renamed The Richard B. Ogilvie
Transportation Center....) I haven't seen any at the CTA stations I
frequent.
People standing on the left side of the escalator are my second
biggest
peeve ( the first is trying to get to a train while reverse commuting;
the on-
coming que has a lemming like quality to them; it's like they don't
even see you) I find if you walk up behind the standees and say
"excuse me" they will step aside or start walking.
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Posted by chris on October 22, 1997 at 00:48:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Orion DOT Buses==total 30 posted by trolleybus
on October 21, 1997 at 14:36:04:
thank you
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on October 22, 1997 at 07:45:24:
In Reply to: [6]HO Scale NYC Subway Layout posted by Jim Tesoriero on
October 21, 1997 at 21:31:32:
I am currently modeling the NYCTA in HO scale. My "layout" consists of
eight 2'X4' modules and currently includes sixteen feet of
scratchbuilt elevated based on Third Avenue (Bronx) and Astoria Line
prototype. Currently there are two stations, a local station based
loosely on the "Swiss Chalet" style of the Third Avenue El (Manhattan)
and a terminal station based on the Dual Contracts terminal at Ditmars
Blvd. Rolling stock consists of brass imports that I have detailed and
painted as well as available epoxy and styrene kits that have been
assembled, detailed and painted. Currently, there are thirty two
revenue cars in operation including BMT Standards, Low-V's, R1-9's,
R-10's, R-15's, R-17, R21/22, R26 and R29's. Work equipment consists
of IND Drill Motor 41, several flats, a crane, and Work Motor 20235
(ex Low-V). The El is equipped with scale signals (non working) and
other trackside details including trippers, relay boxes, etc. The
period I'm modeling includes the late fifties to 1970. I have
displayed modules from the layout at various shows in the past
including the Coney Island Open House. You can see photographs of my
local station and a few cars at Mr. Pat Villani's web site
(www.iop.com/~patv/railroad.html). Mr. Villani is also modeling the
NYCTA and is currently involved in producing castings from
scratchbuilt patterns for his El structure. The details are contained
in the web site. When one talks about models of the NY
subway/elevated, the discussion must ALWAYS include reference to the
seminal work of the "guru" himself, Joe Frank, now of Philadelphia,
PA. Joe has built an extensive HO scale layout back in the seventies
and early eighties that is still extant, but his fame is really tied
to the AWESOME O scale layout that is currently in operation. Within
Mr. Villani's web site is a list of References that I have put
together for the modeler that includes various articles on Mr. Frank's
models. These are MUST reading for anyone involved in modeling the NY
subway/elevated. Good Luck!
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 22, 1997 at 07:55:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Line Designations===New posted by Jim
Tesoriero on October 21, 1997 at 20:48:20:
Absolutely. Always interested in hearing from others interesteed in
signs. Have a pretty decent collection myself. Maybe post it on here,
such as I did with the R32/38 signs about 2 weeks ago.
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Posted by Nathan on October 16, 1997 at 20:30:00:
In Reply to: [5]Modern El Structures posted by Timothy on October 16,
1997 at 01:33:44:
There is a small, single line (only 20miles long) el system in
Vancouver,
Canada that frequently runs over streets on concrete guideways, but
also runs over industrial lands, parks and a suspension bridge (I sent
some pictures to David Pirmann). The only propblem is that,
A)nobody know where Vancouver is, and
B)The system experiences saturation problems in rush hour, though
during
the rush trains are operated at 30 second to 2minute headways.
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 22, 1997 at 08:33:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Take the "P" train:Speaking of roll signs...
posted by Lou from Middletown on October 21, 1997 at 19:20:12:
I'm not sure if the R32's had numbered signs. They might have been the
first to have exclusively letters on their signs (the IND A/AA thru H
letters and the letters for the BMT lines -J,L,M,N,R,Q,Z).
The R27/R30's definitely had numbers on their signs as well as the
letters, which represented the old BMT numbering scheme for the lines.
There's a whole list of Ex-BMT line designations at
[7]Route and Color Markings
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 22, 1997 at 09:03:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Take the "P" train:Speaking of roll signs...
posted by David Pirmann on October 22, 1997 at 08:33:20:
The first BMT/IND cars to have all letters on the roll signs were the
R27s (1960). The previous group of BMT/IND cars delivered, the
R16s (1954) had letters (A-HH) for the IND routes and numbers for
the BMT routes, and up until 1967, these numbers were used (the
cars were generally used on BMT Eastern division lines, mostly the
#15 Jamaica Exp and Local, but they occasionally appeard on the
#14 Broadway Bklyn Local, #16 14th St. Local, and #10
Myrtle-Chambers -- pop quiz: what are the letters for these routes?).
With the opening of the Christie St. tunnel in 1967 the R16s and
R27/30s were pooled together (often mixed in the same trains)
and bore letters on their roll signs (I don't know if new signs were
installed or the old ones were modified). I remember them being used
on the QJ and RR at that time.
There were some differences in the roll signs on the R27/30 and those
on the R32s (1964). The R27/30 roll signs still had the old BMT names
for the routes (at least for the Southern division); for example:
N: Broadway Sea Beach Exp.
while those on the R32s left off the old names:
N: Broadway Exp.
Another interesting note. In 1967-68, right after the opeining of the
Christie St. tunnel, the B train was assigned R32s and pre-war R
units.
The pre-war R's had the 'B' designation on their roll signs, but the
R32s
didn't. Solution - paste a single 'B' (black on white background) over
the
'BB' (white on black backgound) on the existing roll signs.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 22, 1997 at 09:10:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by John on
October 21, 1997 at 21:56:15:
In the northern part of the Bronx (North of Fordham Rd.) on routes
such as the Bx10, Bx20, Bx34 and Westchester routes you will see
people line up to board the bus. This also happens at many locations
in Queens such as Union Turnpike/Queens Blvd in Kew Gardens, 179th
Street-Hillside Ave in Jamaica and Roosevelt Ave-Main Street in
Flushing. There are numerous NYCTA, MSBA (now LI Bus) and Private DOT
routes that serve Roosevelt/Main and 179/Hillside and there are often
lines of people waiting for buses. This just to name a few as there
are others also. I've always hoped that it would catch on in other
areas also.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on October 22, 1997 at 10:09:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Wayne
Johnson on October 21, 1997 at 12:02:58:
You're right, there are no signs in any DC Metro stations specifically
asking people to stand to the right---it's just common courtesy,
especially on the long escallators such as the one at Rosslyn
(Blue/Orange Line) and Dupont Circle (Red Line) to name a couple.
On a similar note, on my many rides on the Baltimore Metro, the same
is true there---no signs saying "stand to the right' but prople do it
out of courtesy.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 22, 1997 at 10:51:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Take the "P" train:Speaking of roll signs...
posted by David Pirmann on October 22, 1997 at 08:33:20:
The R32s were delivered with lettered roll signs. The ample number of
photos available of the cars being manufactured and delivered show
this. I think any R32 with a numbered route sign was a mock-up of some
sort. I have a picture of a R 1/9 at Coney Island Open House with a
4-Sea Beach sign on the front, so you can see that sort of thing
happening. Bored car maintainers, I guess!! A picture is also
available of an R-11 running on the West End Line in 1967 sporting a
"3-West End" sign.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 22, 1997 at 11:06:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: HO Scale NYC Subway Layout posted by Frank Gatazka
on October 22, 1997 at 07:45:24:
I believe it must be your Victorian Station I recall seeing on Pat
Villani's site. I was VERY impressed by how it captured the look and
feel without being an exact replica. To me, that is where the art
comes into model railroading; making it look right without subjecting
yourself to the slings and arrows of scale ruler wielding critics. You
certainly have done that well. Congradulations!
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POSTER>Dtrain
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Posted by Dtrain on October 22, 1997 at 11:32:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 10/26 Liberty State Park RR Show posted by Charles
Fiori on October 21, 1997 at 07:29:28:
I receive confirmation in the mail that the Liberty State Park train
show is scheduled for Sunday October 26, 1997 from 9 to 5 rain or
shine.
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SUBJECT>Frigginfragginbleepin Immigrant map revisited
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Posted by Sherman Cheung on October 22, 1997 at 13:11:25:
I'm Sorry, I get this way whenever a new subway map Change comes out
and i can't get the good ones (you know the ones), so I get into a
screw the immigrants syndrome and start my tirade on them, now, i'm no
immigrant i was born in South bend Indiana, been thru alot of racist
crap have lived thru it and gained a thick skin but my love is the NYC
subway map and it hurts me to see it become like this can't the
"Immigrant and Route maps" live happily side by side on a map rack?
Why do i have to be accosted on all sides by these friggin "immigrant"
maps
Sherman
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 22, 1997 at 14:01:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MTA Museum Gift Shop Web Page? Memorabilia...
posted by Fitz on October 19, 1997 at 08:36:50:
Tried your e-mail and got no reply. Try me at oldschool58@yahoo.com
and read your e-m (SeaBeachX@aol.com)
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 22, 1997 at 14:49:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Line Designations===New posted by Jim
Tesoriero on October 21, 1997 at 20:48:20:
The R-44/R-46 destination sign listing has been in the ERA's New York
Division Bulletin for MONTHS now - they've been publishing about 80+
destinations a month for the past year, I think. October's might be
the last one (I don't remember if it went to Z and I don't have it in
front of me right now to check ....)
--Mark
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Posted by Bobw on October 16, 1997 at 20:38:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Ex-CTA 6000s on SEPTA's Norristown High-Speed Line
posted by aaron on October 14, 1997 at 13:09:04:
The numbers were as follows:
SEPTA: 476-489
CTA: 6069-70, 6175-76, 6079-80, 6089-90, 6139-40, 6151-52, 6161-62
All were married pairs. 484-85 (ex 6139-40) retained the CTA red/blue
stripe scheme for quite a while during its stay on the P & W and may
not have ever been repainted into the SEPTA scheme. 480-81 (ex
6079-80) operated for a number of months in the CTA green and retained
its CTA numbers during this period. I did not see any of these cars on
a visit to the line in early June and I suspect they have been
scrapped.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 22, 1997 at 15:00:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Second Avenue Subway TA $$ on them posted by Lou
from Brooklyn on October 21, 1997 at 09:09:56:
Heard on a tour of the 2nd Ave subway under Chinatown, the tunnels are
inspected every two weeks.
--Mark
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on October 22, 1997 at 15:08:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Mark
Greenwald on October 22, 1997 at 10:09:19:
While visiting London I noticed the stand to the right walk to the
left for the first time. It seems quite common.
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POSTER>Map Man
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Posted by Map Man on October 22, 1997 at 15:35:11:
In Reply to: [5]Frigginfragginbleepin Immigrant map revisited posted
by Sherman Cheung on October 22, 1997 at 13:11:25:
As Sgt. Hulka said in 'Stripes', "Lighten up, Francis." We all seem to
be purists of one ilk or another, but most of us also have lives.
Let's reflect upon that gorgeous mosaic that mayor Dinkins hoped
for.... I'm going to pretend your not really as worked up as your
messages seem to imply...
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POSTER>Bob Sklar
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Posted by Bob Sklar on October 22, 1997 at 15:44:33:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Line Designations===New posted by chris on
October 20, 1997 at 00:18:00:
Leave us not forget the IRT route designations on the front end of the
new R62's (or is it R68's? - I forget which one is the IRT). I have so
far seen the following:
8, 10, 12 - green
11 - purple
13 - red
Any information out there? As no expansion work seems to be even
planned for the IRT, could these refer to alternate designations for
such services as the 5, 6 and 7, which each refer to two concurrent
services during rush hours?
Thanks,
Bob Sklar
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POSTER>Bob Sklar
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Posted by Bob Sklar on October 22, 1997 at 16:54:19:
In Reply to: [6]It's Another Poll Time! posted by Lou from Middletown
on October 10, 1997 at 13:59:37:
I can think of more than a few worsts, mainly from the standpoint of
technical inaccuracies!
1. One of the "Planet of the Apes" movies - the famous underground
Queensborough Plaza station.
2. The "I Love Lucy" loving-cup episode - in which an IND R1-9 unit
with IRT Lexington Av. signs pulls in and out of either Court St. IND
or the lower level of 42nd St-8th Av which has been successively
renamed Astor Pl. and Bleecker St. The above is combined with stock
footage of various lines and divisions, including a newer (for early
1950's) IRT car with a backwards "7" on the front! Also, I rather
doubt that a Lexington Av. local ever ran to Flatbush Av. during rush
hours in those days!
3. An episode of "All in the Family" in which Archie and Mike were
coming home from Manhattan, riding a train with three destination
signs (Times Sq, Main St, and I forget what else), all without roller
knobs. Also, the train was obviously IND/BMT, as it had seats facing
both forwards and towards the center!
4. A move a few years back starring Whoopie Goldberg ("Ghost", I
think), where a passenger is shown coming out of the (1,9) tunnel at
Dyckman St, and then gets off at, I believe, Hewes St (J,M,Z).
If I can think up anymore, I'll post them.
Bob Sklar
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on October 22, 1997 at 17:19:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: It's Another Poll Time! posted by Bob Sklar on
October 22, 1997 at 16:54:19:
Well, speaking of TV shows, last night's repeat of Law & Order on A&E
was about a subway vigilante. It started with scenes of her getting
off an R-32, then the front end of an R-38 was shown (with the NYCTS
logo). Some scenes of the train passing by looked like an R-62, then
at Columbus Circle, there's an overhead shot of an R-40 A train (yup!
when were R-40's last on the A?) pulling away on the northbound
express. Then, the shooting occurs on the train, and Logan and Greevey
show up and the camera pan looks like an R-62 again, but then there's
a closeup of the door, and we're back to R-32....
Then there was the L&O episode about a shooter who disposed of a gun
in the subway and a maint. worker finds it. The plot clearly stated
that the shooter disposed of the gun while on the J train near
Chambers, but when they go to interview the guy who found it they show
up at the World Trade Center PATH station, platform #1, which is
normally not used for passengers.
NYPD Blue has some subway scenes, but mostly just quick pans for a
look at the "gritty city". Especially back in season one where Det.
Kelly and Det. Licalsi lived in Queens near the #7. Also, have you
ever noticed in NYPD Blue the steel-wheel-squeal sound effect added at
various times? Most of the time they're in Manhattan with no elevated
trains and the squeal is usually a bit harder to hear...
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Posted by BJ on October 22, 1997 at 18:25:50:
I had a few questions on the Washington DC Metro. I'm from Chicago not
the NYC area and have never ridden the DC Metro.
I understand that most hotels are near Metro Stations and not many are
in the downtown area, so you get the oppertunity to ride the Metro to
downtown daily to downtown when visisting, is this true?
I also have heard that this is the only other high speed rapid transit
system in the US besides BART? ( BART is Awesomee!)
What would be the best line to ride if I only had one oppertunity for
a long trip for fun? I'm going with other people and they aren't
subway fans, so they come along, but usually limit me to one long
transit ride wherever we go.
Finally, do any of the lines go throught bad areas and are any of the
lines portions bad enough to aviod?
Thanks in advance!
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Posted by Steve on October 22, 1997 at 19:05:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Line Designations===New posted by Todd
Glickman on October 21, 1997 at 07:20:33:
Oddly enough - if AMTRAK does go on strike, the 'P' train will appear
on October 29th. It's supposed to travel along the J/Z line and over
the Williamsburg Bridge. There it will switch to the 6th Ave line
north. South of W4 ST. it will switch to 8th Ave to 'P'enn Station. Of
course if the LIRR does continue into Penn Station, you may never be
able to take a P.
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SUBJECT>R-32s on the D line CORRECTION & Other stuff
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Posted by Steve on October 22, 1997 at 19:16:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Steve on October
17, 1997 at 21:32:47:
I was incorrect (not wrong). There is one R-32 train running in D
service. It's a shuttle to Prospect Park for times when the Real D
train is re-routed over the B line due to construction. Had the R-32 D
train not had mechanical trouble Sunday night, I might never have
known. Such is life on the railroad.
As for the B - C swap, here is the real honest reason for it. The A
line is the only line in the system which runs more PM trains than AM
trains. The C train is just the opposite. It runs 2 less in the PM.
Those trains remain in Concourse Yard after AM service but the cars
are needed for the A train on the PM (which comes from 207th St.) It
is very costly to move those two trains from Concourse Yard to 207th
St. Yard. This would be avoided if the B & C were swapped. There are
maintenance considerations too but this is the real reason.
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POSTER>Philip E. Dominguez
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Posted by Philip E. Dominguez on October 16, 1997 at 21:22:51:
In the continuing R-40's saga about half of the R-40's from the Q
were moved to the N Line. The R-32's From the N were moved to the Q.
I Heard that there is a R-32 on the D line(can anyone verify this).
The Last R-68a from the Q line was moved Last weekend (10/12/97).
-Phil
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 22, 1997 at 19:53:00:
In Reply to: [6]Washington DC Metro posted by BJ on October 22, 1997
at 18:25:50:
I know there's a HoJo's accross from the Watergate hotel (yes, THAT
Watergate). It's right near Foggy Bottom. Besides that, I don't know.
Bart and WMATA being the only High Speed systems?? I wouldnm't go that
far. Septa Broad Street (?) trains do over 50 in the tunnels, and the
LIRR does 80 at points, Metro North 90, and i've seen Septa Trenton
bound trains hit 95+, althopugh those 3 aren't really "rapid transit"
systems. PATCO ghoes pretty fast too..
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Posted by Bobw on October 22, 1997 at 20:43:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Washington DC Metro posted by Philip Nasadowski on
October 22, 1997 at 19:53:00:
There are plenty of hotels both downtown and at outlying points that
are close to Metro. Silver Spring, New Carrollton, the Bethesda area
and Rosslyn are quite close to Metro and several hotels offer free
shuttles between the hotels and Metro. Check with AAA on particulars.
The system is quite security conscious and riding the trains is quite
safe. While there are some stations in "bad" areas, the stations
themselves are patrolled and watched by closed-circuit TV. I have
noticed on occasion groups of loud teens on trains but generally they
seem to be only interested in making a rucus and moving on more than
anything else.
My favorite ride is the eastern leg of the Red Line beyond Union
Station, where the line runs outside and stations are spaced somewhat
far apart, thus speed can be high. The Blue Line below National
Airport is similarly interesting. The system is compact enough that it
can be completely travelled in the space of a single day if this is
desired.
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Posted by Bobw on October 22, 1997 at 20:53:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 10/26 Liberty State Park RR Show posted by Dtrain
on October 22, 1997 at 11:32:24:
Thanks for your help. Now that I know the show is on, it makes the
decision a little easier to make.
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Posted by Bryant on October 22, 1997 at 21:02:05:
What is the speed of express subway trains?
Local subway trains?
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I notice on the brake controller, there is a brake position label
"Snow Brake". What is this position used for?
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Posted by Steve on October 22, 1997 at 22:05:40:
In Reply to: [6]Brake position posted by Greg on October 22, 1997 at
21:24:36:
The snow brake position is just as the name implies. When in the 'Snow
Brake position, a 5 - 7 PSI (straight air) brake is applied to the
brake system. This causes the brake shoes to contact the wheels. The
amount of brake applied does not significantly alter the performance
in power or coast positions. What it does is keep the brake and wheels
warm enough to prevent snow and ice from building up on the brake
shoes. The snow brake position is found on all brake valves on all
regular revenue cars in the NYCT fleet except for R-44 and R-46
equipment. On those cars, the Snow Brake is elecrically applied via a
switch on the Train Operators console.
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Posted by Steve on October 22, 1997 at 22:12:15:
In Reply to: [6]Speed posted by Bryant on October 22, 1997 at
21:02:05:
Relatively speaking, the speed of an express & local train are about
the same. Of course this depends on the lenght of the run, the amount
of time the train is accellerating and the grade of the track.
Formally, with the standard 115 HP traction motors, NYCT equipment was
capable of speeds in excess of 55 MPH in "Full Field Shunting'
position. However after the Williamsburg Bridge incident, ALL NYCT
cars were modified so the controllers would only run to the 100% field
shunting position. This reduced high end accelleration and also the
top speed. Currently 40 - 45 MPH is considered a good speed.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 22, 1997 at 23:28:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speed posted by Steve on October 22, 1997 at
22:12:15:
Ummmmm..... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought NY subways had only
3 notches :Switching, Series, and Parallel. I know Diesels have 8, and
they shunt ther fields, but I thought, NY subways had only 3....
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Posted by Adam on October 23, 1997 at 01:01:03:
In Reply to: [6]New bus stop signs posted by John M. on October 21,
1997 at 10:11:20:
I hate the new signs. They are trying to give NYC a flavor that it
just doesn't have with those nostalgic-type signs. I also think that
they have an odd shape to them. I say it's a waste of money to change
them all. If you want more information about the buses, read a bus
map.
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Posted by Lou on October 23, 1997 at 09:28:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Washington DC Metro posted by Bobw on October 22,
1997 at 20:43:33:
There is even a Embassy Suites with a Metro entrance in it's atrium
lobby. All the hotels at Crystal City too (Sheraton and Hilton and hmm
forget).
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Posted by Steve on October 16, 1997 at 23:12:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: It's Another Poll Time! posted by Fernando Perez
on October 11, 1997 at 00:14:22:
Two flaws in those scenes you mentionde from the "French Connection.
First, the Grand Central Scene. The Conductor buzzes the motorman
twice to proceed before the doors are closed.
Second was the west end line scene. At 25th Ave, the train is on the
Northbound local tracks and yet one station later it's on the (center)
express track.
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 23, 1997 at 09:34:12:
In Reply to: [5]New bus stop signs posted by John M. on October 21,
1997 at 10:11:20:
I like that you can see them from a distance but I would still like
schedule information and route map.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on October 23, 1997 at 10:02:28:
In Reply to: [6]Washington DC Metro posted by BJ on October 22, 1997
at 18:25:50:
Being born & raised in the Baltimore/Washington area, I've grown very
familiar with both systems. As for high-speed transit
systems--Baltimore & Atlanta also have systems built pretty much in
the same era as DC & San Fran. When it comes to hotels, granted, most
are in the suburbs and are easily accesible to Metro stations but
there are many encircling the downtown area, for example, The
Washington Hilton (where Reagon was shot) and the Sheraton are in the
the heart of "Embassy Row", (Connecticut Ave. NW.) As for a favorite
line---All the lines have outdoor portions which make them all
desirable, my favorite though, is the Yellow Line from L'enfent Plaza
all the way to it's terminus at Huntington. You get great wiews of the
sites along w/ the planes arriving & departing from Nat'l Airport,
plus you get to ride into the architecturally unique Huntington
station which was built into a hillside. If you have any specific
questions, feel free to e-mail me.
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Posted by Charles on October 23, 1997 at 12:58:29:
I know this is Subway Resources not Bus Resources
I am looking for any of the Codes for the LED Destination signs for
MTA NYC Department of Buses. I have Flatbush, Ulmer Park and Jackie
Gleasons already, I am looking for any of the others. Please feel free
to email me with them. I not doing this for anything unethical or
illegal. All contributions are greatly apprieciated
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Posted by Charles on October 23, 1997 at 13:05:24:
I have heard one theory on this, The R40's are supposedly getting door
sensors as well as some light repair and replacement work being done
on them. I doubt that this is a factor but on the "Q" the conductor
very rarely has to go from car to car. I personally like having R68A's
on the Worst End. But I would rather have them back on the Sea Beach.
(more than the one train that occasionally appears). As for R32's on
the "Q" I like the Idea, it adds some variety to the ride,
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 23, 1997 at 13:06:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speed posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 22,
1997 at 23:28:56:
The controller which you refer to is the master controller which is
the one that the operator turns. The motor controller starts off with
the motors in series and full resistance, cuts out the resistance in
several steps, then transitions the motors to parallel with the
resistance back in, and cuts out the resistance again. Once all the
resistance is out in parallel, the firld shunts are inserted to boost
the running speed. This is the part which Steve says has been disabled
or reduced. The master controller notches simply determine how far the
motor controller goes. Switching simply prevents the controller from
notching up at all, Series is motors in series with all resistance
out, and parallel allows it to go all the way.
Forget all this on Chopper or AC Traction equipment - that's a whole
'nother story!
Hope this helps.
Gerry
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on October 23, 1997 at 13:29:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Washington DC Metro posted by Bobw on October 22,
1997 at 20:43:33:
I definetely second the Red Line recommendation. In addition to the
other attributes, it also traverses the Union Station coach yards,
giving a bonus look at NE Corridor equipment.
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Posted by steve on October 23, 1997 at 15:36:06:
http://xoom.com/ROCKAWAY
I am requesting your help
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on October 23, 1997 at 16:00:03:
In Reply to: [6]BUS LED DESTINATION READINGS posted by Charles on
October 23, 1997 at 12:58:29:
Please share with me whatever you have. I am a destination sign
collector and have a goodly sum of curtains from both buses and
subways. Any idea who might be a good source for NYC bus destination
sign curtains??
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Posted by Nathan on October 23, 1997 at 16:20:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Speed posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 23, 1997
at 13:06:38:
Ok, I don't live in Toronto, but when I'm there I notice that the
subway seems to move quite slowly... Those giant rectangular prisms
seem too big and lumbering. Does anyone know the top speed those
vehicles are capable of? And does anyone know the gauge? All I know is
that it is wider than
standard.
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on October 23, 1997 at 17:36:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Washington DC Metro posted by Lou on October 23,
1997 at 09:28:54:
All the Crystal City hotels are close to the station, but the Marriott
Crystal City and Crystal Gateway hotels are the only two that are
actually connected to the shops, so one can walk to the station
without going outside. The Grand Hyatt downtown claims to have a
direct connection to the Metro Center station, but I myself have not
seen it.
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POSTER>Chris Brunson
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Posted by Chris Brunson on October 17, 1997 at 02:02:27:
Does any one know the current status of the second avenue subway line.
There have been many different initiative to build one. Thank's for
your reply when given.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 23, 1997 at 18:55:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Take the "P" train posted by Philip Nasadowski on
October 21, 1997 at 10:11:16:
Of course, something must be said about the No.2, but I won't say it.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes (or Music Videos)
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on October 23, 1997 at 19:03:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Movies With Subway/Elevated Scenes (or Music
Videos) posted by Mark Greenwald on October 21, 1997 at 10:28:13:
Just FYI that video takes place entirely in the Times Sq. Shuttle
station (as does the new Stones video)- I guess that its an easy
station to shut in the middle of the night , not to mention the 4
tracks going to Grand Central gives lots of flexibility as far as not
tying things up too much...
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Posted by Steve on October 23, 1997 at 20:07:53:
In Reply to: [6]TTC speed, (was re: speed) posted by Nathan on October
23, 1997 at 16:20:37:
I can't help you with the speed of the TTC as its been 15 years since
I last rode the system but I have been told that they use a 5 foot
gauge for their trackage.
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on October 23, 1997 at 20:10:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Gary
Jacobi on October 21, 1997 at 15:22:54:
The "stand right/walk left" convention is quite common on
BART, though not encouraged by any signs. The escalators
are wide enough that it's not really a matter of "barging,"
and does not seem to be resented by the standing riders on
the right. On the other hand, standing still on the left
half of a BART escalator at rush hour would definitely draw glowers.
BTW, a pet peeve: escalator users (turistas, perhaps, or
just the hopelessly befuddled) who reach the end of the
escalator--and come to a complete stop, looking about them,
while other escalator users pile up behind them.
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Posted by Steve on October 23, 1997 at 20:18:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speed posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 22,
1997 at 23:28:56:
You are correct about the master controller having 3 (actually 4)
positions. (Don't forget the coast position) However, I was referring
to the controller or group switch box which is located under the car
and which determines the actual speed of the train. There you have a
motor driven cam (on GE) or an air engine driven cam (on westinghouse)
which first configures the motors in series and then in parallel, and
then in steps, takes resistance out of the motor circuits to control
the armature current and the train speed. While switching has only one
position (with maximum resistance in the circuit), in series, that
resistance is reduced in steps which the motorman has no control over.
Same when he goes to parallel or multiple. The group switch box first
changes the way the motors are connected together and then begins to
step through the various resistance steps. Again, this is done by the
controller logic circuits and is out of the control of the train
operator.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 23, 1997 at 21:49:50:
In Reply to: [5]R40's on the "Q" posted by Charles on October 23, 1997
at 13:05:24:
The R-40s are getting a light overhaul? Will they be getting the
straps back? :-) No, really - what cosmetic changes will be made?
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POSTER>Joe-M
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SUBJECT>Re: Ex-CTA 6000s on SEPTA's Norristown High-Speed Line
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Posted by Joe-M on October 23, 1997 at 23:21:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Ex-CTA 6000s on SEPTA's Norristown High-Speed Line
posted by Michael S. Buglak on October 17, 1997 at 13:21:24:
If you look in the picture of the car interior on the Kenosha PCC
pages you can see the excta6000 ex septa norristown cars out of the
righ windows
they are together for a bit
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POSTER>charlie muller
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SUBJECT>re: subway hackers break into electronic message sign
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Posted by charlie muller on October 24, 1997 at 03:10:20:
on thursday oct 23 the electronic signs telling subway riders to
``watch your step'' and ``have a great day'' were flashing messages in
a manhattan station that said, ``volume fourteen, number three,'' and
``the hacker quarterly.'' a transit superintendent said the electronic
signs have been invaded before and is more of a nuisance than anything
else.
who ever did this might be in a lot of trouble if caught.
charlie muller
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 24, 1997 at 04:25:47:
In Reply to: [6]BUS LED DESTINATION READINGS posted by Charles on
October 23, 1997 at 12:58:29:
Mother Clara Hale depot
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Bx33-3330 Pt Morris 132 St.
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POSTER>charlie muller
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SUBJECT>transit boom reevaluated
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Posted by charlie muller on October 24, 1997 at 07:39:31:
on page 22 of the ny daily news there is a good article of the $167
million surplus the nyc transit has. ta officials are nowing saying it
is to early to draft a spending plan for the extra cash- but rider
advocates say officials are just stalling. thoughts and comments
folks.
charlie muller
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: Aqueduct Station to reopen
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Posted by subway-buff on October 17, 1997 at 04:15:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Aqueduct Station to reopen posted by Gary Jacobi
on October 16, 1997 at 18:56:35:
There are really two "Aqueduct" Stations. The station mentioned here
si the "Aqueduct Racetrack" Station. This station has one platform and
it is Northbound only.. While I never went there, I remember that the
special Aquedcut Racetrack trains used to end there. No cross over is
present since the Aqueduct/ North Conduit Avenue station is very
close.
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POSTER>charlie muller
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Posted by charlie muller on October 24, 1997 at 07:52:04:
In Reply to: [5]transit boom reevaluated posted by charlie muller on
October 24, 1997 at 07:39:31:
the article on page 22 of the ny daily news is firday october 24,
1997.
charlie muller
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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SUBJECT>LIRR and Possible AMTRAK Strike
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 24, 1997 at 09:11:46:
The LIRR has published contingency plans for the possible AMTRAK
strike. Many schedule changes will occur. See:
[6]What If?
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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SUBJECT>Re: LIRR and Possible AMTRAK Strike
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 24, 1997 at 09:16:03:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR and Possible AMTRAK Strike posted by Todd
Glickman on October 24, 1997 at 09:11:46:
By the way, here in Boston, where the MBTA contracts with AMTRAK
to run the commuter rail, they say that... "LIMITED substitute bus
service may be available." Yeah, that'll help.
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 24, 1997 at 09:29:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR and Possible AMTRAK Strike posted by Todd
Glickman on October 24, 1997 at 09:16:03:
Just found the MBTA's contingency plan page. It's
[7]here.
You'll note, for example, that they encourage most riders of the
Lowell and Haverhill branches to drive to Mishawum (Woburn) and
take the private carrier shuttle buses. Well, I park at Mishawum
EVERY DAY. There are at best 250 parking spaces there, and it nearly
fills most days just from commuters getting on there. So they would
like this lot to absorb thousands of other customers? [That's like
the LIRR telling everyone on the Oyster Bay and Hempstead branches
to drive to and park at Mineola!]
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on October 24, 1997 at 09:32:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Washington DC Metro posted by ~airplane on October
23, 1997 at 17:36:41:
The Marriott Metro Center at 12th & G Sts. NW does have an entrance to
the Metro Center station about 20-30 ft. from a door in the lobby.
Also, the Sheraton @ Woodley Park on Conn. Ave. NW has the Woodley
park station right in front of it.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 24, 1997 at 10:56:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Washington DC Metro posted by ~airplane on October
23, 1997 at 17:36:41:
I forget the names, but if the Grand Hyatt is the hotel that's across
the street from the Convention Center, it does have a connection to
the metrorail station.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 24, 1997 at 12:39:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: TTC speed, (was re: speed) posted by Steve on
October 23, 1997 at 20:07:53:
TTC equipment is very similar to equipment in use elsewhere, with a
top speed around 50mph. Of course anything can be speed limited
slower. Track gauge is 4' 10-7/8" - unique to Toronto.
Gerry
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 24, 1997 at 12:47:50:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR and Possible AMTRAK Strike posted by Todd
Glickman on October 24, 1997 at 09:11:46:
WCBS Newsradio 88 just reported that LIRR riders might have been
lulled
into a false sense of security regarding the agreement with Amtrak.
They
said that this agreement may still not be completely agreed to, and
seemed
to imply that there was still some chance that LIRR trains would not
run.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 24, 1997 at 12:57:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by charlie muller
on October 24, 1997 at 07:52:04:
For those of you who don't have access to the Daily News,
[7]
Here is the article.
One thing in the article that I agree with 100% is that if NYC Transit
doesn't earmark the surplus for something real soon, it will get used
up
for something else that does not benefit riders at all.
Personally, while I think a fare rollback would be a nice politically
correct thing to do, I don't think this should be done at all. Capital
improvements that had to be cancelled because of reduced funds should
be
immediately revisited and a plan should be put in place to get these
projects started.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on October 24, 1997 at 12:58:51:
In Reply to: [6]re: subway hackers break into electronic message sign
posted by charlie muller on October 24, 1997 at 03:10:20:
Hmmm ... wonder if these hackers and the folks that stole those
escalators
a few months back have any connection??
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on October 16, 1997 at 18:34:30:
In Reply to: [6]Chicago L Structures posted by Ed Sachs on October 16,
1997 at 09:39:36:
To the list of Chicago "L" lines over streets, also add the segment of
the Green Line (former Jackson Park Branch) over 63rd St. About 3/4
mile of this, as far as Cottage Grove, is still in service; another
1/2 mile or so east to Dorchester was rebuilt as part of the Green
Line renovation, but was never put back into operation, and is now
being removed. The easternmost segment, terminating at Stony Island,
was removed in the 1980's following condemnation of the bridge over
the IC.
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Posted by Julio Perez on October 17, 1997 at 07:18:47:
There is a piece on Dateline on NBC tonight, 10/17/97, at 9:00 p.m.
Eastern time, discussing people falling into the NYC subway.
Thought the information might be of interest to some readers...
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 24, 1997 at 15:41:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR and Possible AMTRAK Strike posted by Todd
Glickman on October 24, 1997 at 09:29:33:
How about making your way into downtown via local busses? It may take
a long time, and you may wind up taking several busses, but it could
be done, right?
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Posted by NO STATION on October 24, 1997 at 19:42:14:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I miss my 68 posted by Sherman Cheung on October
20, 1997 at 13:04:46:
Or rebuild the thing as an artwork like it used to be.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on October 24, 1997 at 19:55:37:
In Reply to: [6]transit boom reevaluated posted by charlie muller on
October 24, 1997 at 07:39:31:
While a fare rollback might be a great public relations ploy, the
benifit would be minimal and within a year, another fare hike would be
needed. What is needed is for that $167 million (which is likely
somewhat less) is to invest it into some of the less glamorous
'capital' projects which have been shelved for far too long and which
would oay huge dividends in terms of operating cost savings.
If it were my decision, I'd opt to complete the Jamaica Yard
expansion. The plan was to add 25 new tracks on the west side of the
yard. Important savings could be realized by completing this project.
Second, I would accellerate the modernization of the 19 of the 13
current maintenance shops so that equipment might be maintained more
efficiently.
Currently just 4 shops have any significant modernization and just 2,
East NY and E. 180th Street (under construction) will be capable of
handling the R-142s and R-143s.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on October 24, 1997 at 22:06:20:
In Reply to: [5]TTC speed, (was re: speed) posted by Nathan on October
23, 1997 at 16:20:37:
Most of the Toronto system is 4" 10 7/8" the new subway line is
standard I believe
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POSTER>sammy
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Posted by sammy on October 25, 1997 at 05:41:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by Mark S Feinman
on October 24, 1997 at 12:57:24:
As usual, the MTA and the unions are "doing us" riders again.
This is what we need to get service to where it should be (i.e. what
we pay for)
1) The second ave subway should and must be built. Not having a line
to serve the "eastern" upper east side with all its commerce is
inmcredibly stupid. Ever walk from east end ave to lex ave? Takes
forever. Everybody benefits here from this one
2) The Rutgers/De Kalb connection
3) Airport service: taking those long, abandon tracks that split off
the A line and run down woodhaven blvd and make it an airport shuttle
4) the 63rd street line (yes it should rank fourth on the list)
5) New stops on the G (before they choke the life out of the economic
revival the neighborhood and Williamsburgh have been feeling). Those
stops: Ash St. (at the waterfront/park and Vernon-Jackson (change to
the 7) - that would allow the MTA to rid itself of 21-Van Alst, a stop
not many people use.
6) Station cleanup crews: That what the inmates at Rikers are for -
hard labor. and no, they shouldn't be paid. Let 'em clean stations.
7) Union productivity why should this be such a problem. If you weant
to get paid for sitting around and doing nothing, well, find another
place to do it. i.e. let's get something we paid for.
the result of all this will allow the MTA to invest in its
infrastructure, develop new lines that would serve the economic growth
of this city and even moreso, result in a higher profit margin, and we
hope in return, the service we hoped we'd pay for with our hard-earned
tax dollars.
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Posted by Subman23 on October 25, 1997 at 13:26:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by sammy on
October 25, 1997 at 05:41:46:
As usual, Sammy makes some good points. I like reading his comments.
The Second Avenue Subway is long overdue and a DeKalb/Rutgers Tube
would be a great benefit to riders (for how much longer will the
Manhattan Bridge be above the water?).
One thing, Sammy : Stop being so hostile towards subway workers.
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Posted by Steven James on October 25, 1997 at 19:36:09:
I notice that there is about 4 express tracks between the island
platforms at DeKalb Ave station. I saw a B train run there. I notice
the B line does not stop at this station, but why are they so many
tracks there?
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POSTER>Michael J. Follo
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Posted by Michael J. Follo on October 25, 1997 at 20:15:47:
In Reply to: [6]BUS LED DESTINATION READINGS posted by Charles on
October 23, 1997 at 12:58:29:
I would appreciate if someone would get me the Bus Led Desination
Readings for both Castleton & Yukon Depots with the new X11 added
along the X10 line.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 25, 1997 at 21:43:41:
In Reply to: [6]Dekalb Ave. posted by Steven James on October 25, 1997
at 19:36:09:
DeKalb is a local stop. Because of the diversity of lines connecting
there there are four local tracks with two island platforms. The
express tracks connect directly from both sides of the Manhattan Brige
to the express tracks of the 4th Av. Subway. Under more normal
conditions the N train would skip DeKalb at peak hours. Coming through
the Montague Tunnel, however, it is forced to make the DeKalb stop and
switch to the 4th Av. express tracks afterward. Thus the old BMT's
premiere train has become a long local that skips a few stops in
Brooklyn.
Gerry
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 25, 1997 at 21:45:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR and Possible AMTRAK Strike posted by John on
October 24, 1997 at 15:41:30:
Possible - yes! Practical???????????????? - UGH!
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on October 26, 1997 at 00:33:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by sammy on
October 25, 1997 at 05:41:46:
I agree with Sammy on the union productivity issue. Lets make transit
workers work 12-16 hour days and not pay them when they are between
trips. Lets remove anything that may provide them with comfort as well
like windows in cabs and heaters. Lets make them pay for there
uniforms also. No lunch breaks is also a big money saver. If the union
doesn't like it let management and vice presidents operate trains and
buses and maybe we'll be lucky enough to have another Malbone St.
incident. While we are destroying the unions lets next go on to the
garment industry, construction and police unions.
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Posted by Adam on October 26, 1997 at 01:43:24:
What is your favorite station? What is your least favorite station?
I know that everybody has a favorite station and a least favorite
station from the ones that they have been to so let's hear which one
it is and why.
My favorite is Times Square because of the incredible complexity of
the station. I just find it amazing how so many lines going in so many
different directions are able to converge into one station. I find it
to be a very well kept station as well, with it being very clean most
of the time. Also, I always encounter a large presence of police in
the station, making me feel rather safe there.
My least favorite station is Fresh Pond Road on the M train. I found
this station to be one of the most dingy elevated stations I have ever
been to. It was falling apart, half of it was under construction that
was going on for a very long period of time during which it seemed
like nothing was done, it probably still is going on. It was old, and
overall I thought that it was a station that hadn't seen improvements
in many decades.
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on October 26, 1997 at 10:04:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: transit boom reevaluated-Union Productivity posted
by Fernando Perez on October 26, 1997 at 00:33:34:
Changing outdated work rules do not have to kill the union. The MBTA
used to have the the most outragous work rules around. The issue
became change the work rules or major service cut backs. A few
examples were waiting at Ashmount Station at 530am in the cold for a
train because the "driver" whos job was to drive the train out of the
yard had not showed up. The motorman and conductors were waiting but
were not allowed to walk 1000 ft and get the train. Another was during
a run the 2nd conductor got sick and could not open his 2 doors. They
required 2 at the time on 4 car trains. So everyone was kicked of the
train to wait for the next one.
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on October 26, 1997 at 10:58:26:
In Reply to: [5]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
A very interesting poll.
I have to say as unusual as it sounds, I like the Brooklyn Bridge City
Hall/Chambers Street Station on the 4,5,6, JM and Sometimes Z I like
this station because of it's present comparison between the recently
rehabilitated 4,5,6 platform and Mezzanine and the unrebuilt Chambers
Street station.
I also have to make one notable mention, Canal Street on the N/R looks
very impressive.
My least favorite, is by far the stations along the sea Beach, 20
Avenue in particular, I have a friend that lives near there, This
station is deterioriated and heavly vandalized on a daily basis.
Stillwell Avenue also needs some major attention.
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Posted by charlie muller on October 17, 1997 at 07:53:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The $100 Million Dollar Question posted by Gary
Jacobi on October 16, 1997 at 18:41:13:
buy new subway cars. get new buses. update the public address system
so we can understand the people from the towers. also put some ladies
and men's rooms in the system. like tom cruise said in the movie
''jerry maguire'' said, '' show me the money.''
charlie muller.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on October 26, 1997 at 11:28:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Dekalb Ave. posted by Gerry O'Regan on October 25,
1997 at 21:43:41:
I thought there were only two express tracks at DeKalb - one for each
direction. Are you telling me I've been wrong all these years? Huhm.
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Posted by John on October 26, 1997 at 11:32:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Dekalb Ave. posted by John on October 26, 1997 at
11:28:28:
Now, wait, something came to my mind as I hit the Follow-up button --
by express tracks, are you referring to the tracks at DeKalb that do
not serve a platform? If that's the case, there are only two - one for
each direction -- but if you are refferring to those tracks and the
inner island tracks, I guess that makes four express tracks -- can
somebody straighten this thing out?
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on October 26, 1997 at 12:03:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Dekalb Ave. posted by John on October 26, 1997 at
11:32:21:
There are six tracks at the Dekalb Avenue Station. Four of those
tracks(the local tracks) serve the two island platforms of the Dekalb
Avenue Station. The other two tracks(the express tracks) bypass the
Dekalb Avenue Station. For more info, take a look at this trackmap of
[6]Detail of Jay St./DeKalb Av. area
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Posted by David L. on October 26, 1997 at 12:10:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Dekalb Ave. posted by David L. on October 26, 1997
at 12:03:36:
Sorry, I had the wrong link there....here's the right one
[6]Detail of Jay St./DeKalb Av. area
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Posted by Steve on October 26, 1997 at 13:21:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by sammy on
October 25, 1997 at 05:41:46:
Your comments on productivity interest me because I wonder if you've
ever held a job. I am by no means an apologist for the Transport
Workers Union but your suggestions are archaic at best. Do you also
suggest we pay firemen for the times that they are fighting fires.
Maybe not even pay them for their travel time to and from the fires.
Maybe we shouldn't pay doctors to wait around hospitals incase you or
a family member has need of their services. If you think that transit
workers have it so easy, sitting around a terminal waiting for their
train or an emergency, try it some time. Then post something about it.
Until then, stick to posting about things you know about like what
Ernie & Burt are up to.
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Posted by sammy on October 26, 1997 at 13:34:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by Steve on
October 26, 1997 at 13:21:14:
Uh, excuse me, you jerk.
Not only do I have a job, but its in operations magament and
productivity.
Therefore, it is you who simply have no idea what you are talking
about.
The transit union was always a haven for featherbeading, costing
taxpayers plenty. Wake up and smell the coffee, pal.
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Posted by NO NUMBERS on October 26, 1997 at 16:03:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Take the "P" train:Speaking of roll signs...
posted by Ed Sachs on October 22, 1997 at 09:03:19:
Your Pop Quiz:
#15=Jamaica Express=QJ
#14=Broadway-Brooklyn Local=JJ
#16=14th Street-Canarsie Local=LL
#10=Myrtle Avenue-Chambers Street=M
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POSTER>Alan Follett
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Posted by Alan Follett on October 26, 1997 at 17:14:16:
In Reply to: [6]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
I imagine you conceived the question mostly in terms of New York
subway stations, but let me step outside the box by nominating Belmont
on the CTA North Side main. Four tracks, two island platforms, three
lines, Clark Junction just north of the station, and a handy overhead
transfer bridge for viewing. Plus, back when I was alive, a North
Shore Line stop (am I dating myself?)
Second choice, West Portal on the San Francisco Muni. Dramatic
architecture, nice neighborhood, three lines (L, K, and M) emerging
from the Twin Peaks Tunnel onto street trackage, underground overhead
transfer bridge, separation and combination of cars at the platform,
and the occasional equipment move just outside the station
transferring between West Portal Avenue (K/M) and the L line.
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on October 26, 1997 at 18:54:30:
In Reply to: [6]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
Coney Island-Stillwell falls into both categories.
The platform area is my favorite because of the train watching.
The station/terminal area is my least favorite as it needs some work.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on October 17, 1997 at 09:21:04:
In Reply to: [6]Second Avenue Subway posted by Chris Brunson on
October 17, 1997 at 02:02:27:
The Second Avenue Subway is still technically alive, being carried on
the books somewhere as an active project. In reality, of course, there
are no funds allocated for it and nothing is even in the planning
stage yet. As the expression goes, breaths should not be held.
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Posted by Steve on October 26, 1997 at 19:31:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by sammy on
October 26, 1997 at 13:34:20:
After more than 2 decades in the transit industry, I think I am more
than qualified to speak on the subject. And I don't have to wake up
and smell any coffee. I deal with it on a daily basis and I assure you
I do know what I'm talking about. I've seen your type come and go. You
come all full of Piss & Vinigar and leave with you tail between your
legs when you can't deliver what you promised. While it's true that
some of the TWU work rules are outdated and in need of change, most
have their rules are rooted in safety. In reality, transit suffers
more on the job fatalities than police or fire. All the productivity
in the world does not make up for one lost employee. All of your time
& motion studies not withstanding, when it comes to transit, you know
not of where you speak.....
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POSTER>andrew huie
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Posted by andrew huie on October 26, 1997 at 20:39:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 10/26 Liberty State Park RR Show posted by Charles
Fiori on October 21, 1997 at 07:29:28:
ARGH! I totally missed it! That's what I get for not checking this
site often enough. What did they have there?
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on October 26, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by Steve on
October 26, 1997 at 19:31:38:
You guys wanna cut out the ad hominem stuff or should I go thru and
delete it all?
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on October 26, 1997 at 20:50:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STAND TO THE RIGHT ON ESCALATORS posted by Dave on
October 21, 1997 at 12:50:26:
Not to mention peeing on the elevators. If you ever check out the
street elevators on the 63rd Street/Lex. Ave. you'll know what I mean!
*barf*
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Posted by jeff on October 26, 1997 at 21:10:44:
Are the R-68A's returning to the Q ?
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POSTER>jeff
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Posted by jeff on the Q on October 26, 1997 at 21:15:33:
In Reply to: [5]R40's on the "Q" posted by Charles on October 23, 1997
at 13:05:24:
I think the R-68A's belong back on the Q. they would not be at home
anywhere else!
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Posted by Steve on October 26, 1997 at 21:41:17:
In Reply to: [6]R-68 A Where are you? posted by jeff on October 26,
1997 at 21:10:44:
There is a tremendous amount of public pressure being brought to
return the R-68A back to the 'Q' line. However, I think that the
reasons for which they were moved will outweigh the public sentiment
in this case and the Q will be 68A-less until 1999 when the rest of
the 68s are planned to be moved from the D line and moved to Coney
Island.
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Posted by Steve on October 26, 1997 at 21:42:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: transit boom reevaluated posted by David Pirmann -
Web Site Host on October 26, 1997 at 20:43:50:
Sorry Dave!
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Posted by Philip E. Dominguez on October 26, 1997 at 22:34:09:
I Think that when the South Side of the Manhattan Bridge opens
that the TA should Re-configure the System. Below Are The results of
what I think the system should look like if Re-configured.
A- 207 st - Mott Ave/ Far Rockaway
B- Coney Is.(via West End) -21 st./ Queensbridge(to be extended)
C- 168 st - Liberty Ave.
D- Coney Island(via Brighton Lcl) - 205 st.
E- World Trade Center - Archer Ave
F- Coney Is. (via Culver)- 179 st note: express between Church and Jay
St.
G- Church Ave- 71 at.
H- Rockaway Park - Broad Channel
J- 9 Ave (Brooklyn)- Archer Ave.
L- 8 Ave - Rockaway Ave.
M- Broad St - Metro. Ave
N- Coney Is.(via Sea Beach)- 57 st.(or Astoria)
Q- Coney Is.(Via Brighton)- LGA Airport *
R- Cont. Ave/ 71 st.- 95 st.
S- Prospect Park- Franklin Ave.
T- Coney Is.(Via Sea Beach Express)- Queensbridge(rush Hours only)
Z- 8 Ave/14 street - Archer Ave.
*(hopefully) Future El Line to LGA Airport AND will run to 2nd
Ave(Man)
during Nights and Weekends
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POSTER>david vartanoff
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Posted by david vartanoff on October 27, 1997 at 00:06:36:
In Reply to: [6]Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Adam on October 26,
1997 at 01:43:24:
favorite nycta 34th & 6thfor the fun the engineers had weaving the IND
through the previously built stuff. least favorite York on the
F(onetime D) and in Chicago HowardSt. not only hosted North Shore when
I was a teen but also gauntlet track overhead fed freight motors.
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 17, 1997 at 09:29:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago L Structures posted by Bob on October 16,
1997 at 18:22:18:
Two locations used in the shooting in ER are:
Street level at Wabash and Randolph (Loop L).
Chicago Ave. platform on Brown/Purple lines (north of the Loop).
The Chicago Ave. station is popular with TV/film shooters because
the curved platform makes for some interesting shots, and becuase
there are no regularly scheduled trains trough there on Sundays.
BTW, in Chicago, it's 'L', not 'EL'.
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Posted by christopher on October 27, 1997 at 01:37:09:
Does anyone have info on this route,,terminals,street routings,,etc.
thank you
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SUBJECT>m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers offer fast and safe trains.
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Posted by charlie muller on October 27, 1997 at 05:40:36:
in the ny times, monday october 27, metro section, the m.t.a. says
they plan to buy a communications systen that would allow computers to
drive and dispatch trains. the m.t.a. hopes that the results will be
trains that run faster and more frequently, cause the system will
allow the trains to run closer together and at the same time, more
safely, cause human errorthat has been blamed for many crashes would
be eliminated . motorpersons would not be eliminated, but the system
would make it easier to run trains with a one-person rather than a
two-person crew.
your thoughts on this scheme.
charlie muller.
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SUBJECT>Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers offer fast and safe
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In Reply to: [5]m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers offer
fast and safe trains. posted by charlie muller on October 27, 1997 at
05:40:36:
I heard on New York 1 News that this new system will take 20 years to
be implemented systemwide. The cost estimates are from 2 billion to 20
billion dollars.
While I am in favor of technological upgrades, I feel that this money
should be allocated to finishing the Second Avenue Subway.
Are the MTA board members aware that this line is "work in progress"
since the 1970's??? A Second Avenue line will ease overcrowding on the
Lexington Avenue line and revitalize the East Side of Manhattan and
The Bronx.
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In Reply to: [6]m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers offer
fast and safe trains. posted by charlie muller on October 27, 1997 at
05:40:36:
The first step toward implimenting this system will be tried on the
'L' line which will get a new CBTC (Communications Based Train
Control) Signal system around the year 2001. It will permit faster
speeds and closer headways but NOT driverless or crewless trains.
While the R-143s will be equiped to operate with this new signal
system (along with 16 R-42s) the R-142s will not. This means that
there is no immediate plans for a system-wide implimentation of this
system. This is only a test.
Incidently, I heard that TTC planned to impliment a similar system
last year but delayed it pending the outcome of the NYCT test of 3
competing systems.
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 27, 1997 at 09:19:27:
In Reply to: [6]The Perfect System posted by Philip E. Dominguez on
October 26, 1997 at 22:34:09:
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Posted by Ed Sachs on October 27, 1997 at 09:21:00:
In Reply to: [6]The Perfect System posted by Philip E. Dominguez on
October 26, 1997 at 22:34:09:
> Z- 8 Ave/14 street - Archer Ave.
There is no track connection at this time which would allow such a
routing.
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SUBJECT>R-68As on the Q line.
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Posted by Steve on October 27, 1997 at 09:28:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R40's on the "Q" posted by jeff on the Q on
October 26, 1997 at 21:15:33:
Sorry but you have a short memory. Actually the R-68As were on the D
line from the time they were delivered until mid 1995. They were based
(all 200 cars) in Concourse Yard until it was decided to make them
into 4-car linked units. Then they were swapped for 192 R-68s.
Therefore, the R-68As were only in Q service for about 2 years. Don't
fret though, if the current plan goes through, the R-68s will all be
moved to Coney Island and the B, N, & Q will be all R-68/R-68A. Now
what do you suppose will operate on the D line?
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on October 17, 1997 at 10:27:10:
In Reply to: [6]R-32's on Q/ 40's on N posted by Philip E. Dominguez
on October 16, 1997 at 21:22:51:
I talked to a friend that is an equipment guru about the R40's. In
additon to the other reasons posted here, TA is anticipating the
switching the B and C lines' northern terminals next year. Having the
68a's on the b the 68/68as will have the same north/south yards so it
will be easy to swap equipment on short or no notice. He also said the
R40's should've gone directly to the q when they came back from
rebuild/overhaul a few years ago. Q tends to be a bit more crowded
then the B rush hours. A full length 40 has higher capacity than a
full 68 but has fewer seats.
That's all I've heard, I'll try to tie him down on the 32's.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Steve on October 27, 1997 at
09:12:00:
>Stephen B. Dobrow, president of the Committee for Better Transit, a
>citizens' group, noted that New York completely missed the last wave
of
>signaling innovation -- signals in the cabs of trains rather than
mounted
>trackside -- in the 1950s, and he welcomed the attempt to catch up
with the
>times.
>
>"They never went to cab signaling," he said, "and now they're
leapfrogging
>over it to new technology."
>
Yes, thank God, the system in New York still works. Cab signals in
Boston have resulted in slower trains and longer headways because a
computer can't make a judgement based on conditions ahead like a human
can! (eg: coasting up to a red signal which he knows will clear before
reaching it, cab signal makes you crawl up at 10mph)
>Although the new system would make the motorman or operator's job
somewhat
>redundant, there are no plans for driverless trains, Reuter said. The
>operator would still be needed to scan the track for people and other
>obstacles and to run the train if the computer system failed. But
Reuter said
>the new system would make it a lot easier to run trains with a crew
of one,
>rather than the motorman and conductor who currently ride almost all
trains.
>The Transit Authority has already started phasing out conductors on
its
>shuttle lines, over the objections of the Transport Workers Union.
>
>Tim Schermerhorn, a train operator and candidate for president of the
>union in its next election, said that previous attempts to
computerize some
>functions on trains in the 1970s failed because of the dust and
vibration
>in New York's ancient subway system. And he predicted that the
system's
>age, complexity and heavy use would always require a two-person crew.
>"With this system, the operators will be operating a lot,"
Schermerhorn
>said. "The problems will derive from the computer system itself."
This it is written: To err is human, to really foul things up - get a
computer ... and: The most proven capability of a computer is to
magnify a
human error 68000 times.
Quotes passed from the Times and Todd Glickman via e-mail
Comments are mine...
Gerry
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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DATE>Nov 5 22:32:12 1997
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on October 27, 1997 at 12:24:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: TTC speed, (was re: speed) posted by Joe M on
October 24, 1997 at 22:06:20:
EVERYTHING on rails in Toronto is 4'10 7/8". The Yonge line was built
to the streetcar guage in 1954 (using streetcar work equipment), and
every other subway line was built to the Toronto guage. I believe even
the Scarboro RT is 4'10 7/8".
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 27, 1997 at 12:40:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-68 A Where are you? posted by Steve on October
26, 1997 at 21:41:17:
What's NYCT planning to (or tentative plan) replace the D lines' R-68s
with? Is there a particular reason why the R-68 are moving to Coney
Island. From our discussion/comments last week re: B/ C line north
terminal switch last week - I was under the impression that the R-68s
(on the D line) and R-68-As would be assigned to Concourse Yard.
I was quite disappionted when the R-68As were removed from the D line.
I'm guessing the typical D line rider had no idea that their 68As were
replaced by slighhtly older R-68s and therefore there was no
outbursts.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by subman23 on October 27, 1997 at
06:11:46:
And rebuild/replace that damm Manhattan bridge too!!! The N/R express
has been "temporarilly" out of service since the 70's (?). Hey - 2 -
20 bill should be used instead for:
A new Manhattan bridge.
The Second Ave line.
Rebuilding Main St Flushing.
Another Queens Line.
Extending the N to LGA.
Extending the A to JFK.
There's a hell of a lot better ways to spend that money than on a new
'high tech" signal system - especially saying the current one works
well enough...
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 27, 1997 at 12:53:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Let's Take Another Poll! posted by Charles on
October 26, 1997 at 10:58:26:
59th St-Columbus Circle has always been a favorite of mine becuase
there's a lot of activity there, especially during rush hours. I also
like East 180st street because you can see the shop and trains that
are laid up nearby.
I really don't have a particular least favorite, but it would probably
a many stations along the L line because it's a two track line with
only one train serving the station - which means you're not going to
see a lot of trains coming through.
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SUBJECT>Re: R-68As on the Q line.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 27, 1997 at 13:23:20:
In Reply to: [5]R-68As on the Q line. posted by Steve on October 27,
1997 at 09:28:05:
D line? Perhaps R-32's and R-40 slants!!??!! Gosh, I hope not, but
what else is there? Or could it be R-42's from the L line once the
R-143's arrive. I figure it can be any combination of these cars
unless equipment is moved from other lines. I lived near the D line
for most of my life - which is why I'm always have an extra interest
in it. Please don't keep us in suspense.
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Posted by Nick on October 27, 1997 at 16:38:43:
I was wondering when the FAQ will be updated. I'm interested in seeing
which trains have changed lines, and which lines those are.-NICK
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Posted by Todd Glickman on October 27, 1997 at 16:43:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-68As on the Q line. posted by Wayne Johnson on
October 27, 1997 at 13:23:20:
Why NOT R-32s on the D? Let's paint the doors blue and put the roll
signs and marker lights back on. Deja vu all over again!! [I vividly
remember asking my grandparents, who lived on Ocean Parkway, to take
me
to one of the overpasses (Church Ave?) so we could wait for a train
of "new" cars to come by when the R-32s were first delivered. I think
it was something like one in ten trains at first.]
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 27,
1997 at 12:49:02:
I totally agree with your ideas on what to use the money for instead.
Hey, what about that $167 million surplus we were talking about a few
days ago? I think that should be channelled into any one of these
projects, especially the 2nd Avenue subway line. Why don't they finish
the damn thing already?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on October 27, 1997 at 17:11:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-68As on the Q line. posted by Todd Glickman on
October 27, 1997 at 16:43:52:
Of course nothing is wrong with the R-32. It's just my preference - I
was always happy to have the R-68A (and now R-68) on the D and I'd
hate to see them go. I guess I'll just be grateful that we had the
R-68A on the D line when they were brand new.
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Posted by Timothy on October 17, 1997 at 10:29:36:
I know I've posted a message on this subject before, but can anyone
give
me a list of movies that feature a lot of subway/elevated footage? I
prefer
action films, with car chases, police activity, etc., but with little
or
no graphic bloody violence (a little "gun play" is o.k.), a la
"Streets Of
Fire". I'm also into music (rock) videos that have subway/elevated
footage.
I'm hoping to start a collection of movies and videos that feature
subway
and elevated scenes.
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Posted by Steve on October 27, 1997 at 18:05:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-68 A Where are you? posted by Wayne Johnson on
October 27, 1997 at 12:40:55:
As is currently being done with the R-68A fleet, the R-68 fleet will
be linked into 106 4-car units. Concourse Shop, because of its'
relatively small size, can not accommodate a 4-car linked unit
efficiently, hence the R-68s will have to go. What does the TA have in
mind for the D line? Proposed was a mix of R-32s and R-40 Slants. I am
hoping for 380 R-42s instead.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: m.t.a seeks to automate subway lines,computers
offer fast and safe trains. posted by Philip Nasadowski on October 27,
1997 at 12:49:02:
why not complete the 2nd ave subway and put the new signal in at the
time of construction you might get 2 benefets for the price of one
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Posted by Philip E. D. on October 27, 1997 at 20:51:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Perfect System posted by Ed Sachs on October
27, 1997 at 09:21:00:
Well, Even a perfect system isn't perfect.
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