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POSTER>Lou
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SUBJECT>Re: Levi's jeans commercial shot on el
DATE>Aug 8 11:52:48 1997
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Posted by Lou on July 16, 1997 at 10:44:12:
In Reply to: [5]Levi's jeans commercial shot on el posted by Timothy
on July 15, 1997 at 01:16:19:
Could it be Intervale,Simpson,or Freeman on the 2??? One of these are
used in the current Gold Card ads by the MTA, and they look fairly
ornate (they did things diffrently back in 1904!)
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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SUBJECT>Re: Track Maps NJT 1997
DATE>Aug 8 11:52:50 1997
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Posted by steve lowenthal on July 16, 1997 at 10:54:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Track Maps posted by Andrew Byler on July 14, 1997
at 17:51:57:
I AM LOOKING FOR TRACK MAPS AND CHARTS ,UPDATED TO SHOW CHANGES IN
INTERLOCKINGS DURING 19996
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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SUBJECT>Re: Track Maps NJT 1997
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Posted by steve lowenthal on July 16, 1997 at 10:54:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Track Maps posted by Andrew Byler on July 14, 1997
at 17:51:57:
I AM LOOKING FOR TRACK MAPS AND CHARTS ,UPDATED TO SHOW CHANGES IN
INTERLOCKINGS DURING 1996
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POSTER>STEVE LOWENTHAL
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SUBJECT>PATH TRACK MAPS 1997 NEW JERSEY
DATE>Aug 8 11:52:52 1997
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Posted by STEVE LOWENTHAL on July 16, 1997 at 10:57:10:
I AM LOOKING FOR UPDATED TRACK CHANGES TO PATH ,,FRM PORTALS IN NEW
JERSEY TO AND INCLUDING NEWARK,,ALSO,,LOOKING FOR TRACK MAPS OF THE
PATH EXTENSION TO NEWARK AIRPORT HAYNES AV STATION,INCLUSIVE
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POSTER>frequent subway rider
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SUBJECT>Re: missed connections
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Posted by frequent subway rider on July 16, 1997 at 11:39:34:
In Reply to: [5]missed connections posted by aaron on July 16, 1997 at
09:22:01:
I lived in New York for almost twenty years and recently moved to the
Southwest. I have NEVER seen "conductors at major transfer points
. . . hold doors open to wait for passengers changing from local to
express
trains"!!! During most of the time I lived in New York, I traveled on
the 1, 2, 3, and 9 (West-Side IRT lines). In fact, many times, I have
seen operators at major transfer points waiting on the platform with
the doors open while an incoming train approaches. As soon as the
operator saw the approaching train, he closed the doors and took off!
This is typical of the way most MTA personnel view the public:
"Pretend that they don't exist and, when possible make their life
miserable!"
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: How come more chicks don't post messages?
DATE>Aug 8 11:52:55 1997
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 16, 1997 at 11:41:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How come more chicks don't post messages? posted
by Mark Greenwald on July 15, 1997 at 10:32:58:
This is getting interesting! I too am a civil engineer with a MS in
Planning. I gave up on planning very quickly because of the
frustration of never seeing anything built. I work for an agency that
took it upon itself to target female engineers for hiring preference
about ten years ago. It sounded grim, but has worked out rather well.
Most of the women bring a wealth of new attitudes about getting things
done. I do notice that on average they are extremely frustrated by the
snails pace of Bureaucracy. If they find our system sluggish, I
presume Planning would drive them over the edge. I do know a number of
successful female planners, but they are polished Bureaucrats, and
long ago put away any dreams of accomplishing anything "Concrete".
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: How come more chicks don't post messages?
DATE>Aug 8 11:52:56 1997
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 16, 1997 at 11:42:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How come more chicks don't post messages? posted
by Mark Greenwald on July 15, 1997 at 10:32:58:
This is getting interesting! I too am a civil engineer with a MS in
Planning. I gave up on planning very quickly because of the
frustration of never seeing anything built. I work for an agency that
took it upon itself to target female engineers for hiring preference
about ten years ago. It sounded grim, but has worked out rather well.
Most of the women bring a wealth of new attitudes about getting things
done. I do notice that on average they are extremely frustrated by the
snails pace of Bureaucracy. If they find our system sluggish, I
presume Planning would drive them over the edge. I do know a number of
successful female planners, but they are polished Bureaucrats, and
long ago put away any dreams of accomplishing anything "Concrete".
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH TRACK MAPS 1997 NEW JERSEY
DATE>Aug 8 11:52:58 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 16, 1997 at 12:13:24:
In Reply to: [6]PATH TRACK MAPS 1997 NEW JERSEY posted by STEVE
LOWENTHAL on July 16, 1997 at 10:57:10:
Um, there is no "extension to Newark Airport" so you aren't going to
find a track map for it. I hadn't even heard that it had been
seriously considered. I think the only work being done or planned is
to extend the Airport Monorail to a new station on the Northeast
Corridor. The PATH system isn't involved, BUT if there has been
anything drafted other than a possible proposed route, I'd be
interested to know.
By the way, Steve, have you ever *found* anything you've been looking
for here?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Regional Express plan ( Rx )
DATE>Aug 8 11:52:59 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 16, 1997 at 12:53:15:
In Reply to: [6]Regional Express plan ( Rx ) posted by Ted Nielsen on
July 15, 1997 at 20:21:34:
>What do you think about Gov. Pataki's plan called the Regional
>Express plan ?
He's dreaming.
First of all, I don't know whether you or the plan mentioned access to
Wall Street for NJT trains, but don't expect to see ANYthing from
Pataki that benefits New Jersey residents in any way. That fact alone
would be enough to squash that tunnel.
The current plans to bring LIRR trains to Grand Central, and an
extended tunnel from Grand Central would be sufficient for Wall Street
access for both MNRR and LIRR trains. But where would you put the
terminal? You'd need maybe 20 tracks, at least.
The West Side rail line is an interesting idea which has been brought
up here before but since below Penn Station any remains of it are on
elevated structure, and the ROW has been obstructed, so I doubt it
would see any use for LIRR trains, or a new extreme-West Side subway.
I'd be interested to know how many LIRR passengers heading to Flatbush
Avenue branch end up going to Wall Street or do most of them use the
west side subway lines. The A/C and 2/3 trains already serve Wall
Street area from Penn Station.
A subway shuttle between Penn, GCT, and downtown? well there are
already "subway shuttles" between downtown and the two stations
individually. So I don't know what the benefit would be of additional
subway construction to do this.
How many passengers need to transfer between LIRR and MNRR anyway?
(Or, what would be the value of through-routing trains via the
proposed Flatbush-Downtown-GCT tunnel?) Probably not much. I think
more people would use a Penn-GCT transfer to transfer between the MNRR
and Amtrak southbound lines, but keep in mind that people using the
MNRR New Haven branch already have access to Amtrak southbound trains
and wouldn't need to transfer between GCT and Penn, and people using
the Hudson branch can access Albany-bound Amtrak trains without having
to go into GCT as well.
Pataki being the governor of NY State, I can see why he concentrated
on commuter rail access. His token inclusion of NJ in his Penn Station
plan was just there so as to not piss off Gov. Whitman too much
without addressing the pending problem. As a NJ resident myself a lot
needs to be done to improve access to NYC from this side of the river.
Light rail plans in Hudson and Bergen are going to put the squeeze on
the already squoze (? squeezed? squizzen?) PATH system, with no plans
to improve capacity there. NJT's plans to push more and more trains
(from the Morris & Essex branches) and more and more people (from the
Bergen branches via Secaucus Transfer) into Penn Station are going to
max out the Penn Tunnels, perhaps requiring a twinning in the very
near future. Amtrak's high-speed plan will require more bandwidth as
well (the twinned tunnel and an increase to four tracks from Newark
Penn to New York Penn)
I think the proposed route of the Second Avenue subway is just fine as
it is (Whitehall Street to 125th Street, then some method of getting
into the Bronx). Red Hook in Brooklyn could use some subway connection
but perhaps this area is best served by light rail, connecting from
Hoyt-Schermerhorn, via Red Hook, back to Smith/9th.
I was toying with an idea the other day regarding possible subway
connections. The East Side IRT could be connected to the lower level
of the Broadway BMT (north of the IRT Fulton St. station and south of
BMT City Hall station). The tracks here are within 1 or 2 blocks of
each other underneath Broadway. Then, rebuild the BMT Broadway line
around Canal Street such that the lower level of City Hall becomes the
express tracks at Canal Street (and possibly abandon the south side
bridge tracks at Canal Street). At the north end, the Broadway BMT and
the West Side IRT are again within 1 or 2 blocks of each other around
57th Street. Make a connection there from the BMT express to the IRT
(local, express, or both).
Then, you could run IRT trains express on the Broadway BMT, stopping
at 42nd, 34th, 14th, and City Hall lower level (with widend platforms
on the express side and IRT signals, before anyone exclaims IRT trains
can't run on BMT lines). This would give an express route from the
Wall Street area to the West Side, express service on the Broadway
line (allowing the south side bridge to be abandoned once and for
all), and also allow East Side trains from the Bronx travel down the
West Side, around possible disruptions on the Lex IRT. It would also
allow West Side IRT trains coming from Brooklyn to bypass problems on
the 7th Ave branch by using the Joralemon St. Tunnel (4/5 Trains).
Hey, it's not as silly as some of that Pataki crap. Besides any study
that costs 15 million is ridiculous. I'd do it for 1 million. :)
Some other things I've heard bandied about at the ERA or elsewhere is
a tunnel connecting the north side bridge tracks north of DeKalb ave
to the Rutgers St. tunnel. (Was that Mark F. who suggested that?).
There's also some talk about a tunnel under Prospect Park connecting
the Brighton to the 4th Avenue lines but without the South Side
manhattan bridge tracks that wouldn't add capacity, it would just add
reroute potential, IMHO.
-Dave
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POSTER>Timothy
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SUBJECT>Re: Levi's jeans commercial shot on el
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Posted by Timothy on July 16, 1997 at 13:07:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Levi's jeans commercial shot on el posted by Lou
on July 16, 1997 at 10:44:12:
I know that the Levi's commercial wasn't shot on the 2 line. I've
already
checked out some of the stations along that line. Even though they are
very ornate, they didn't resemble the one in the commercial. The
stairway
in the commercial had no canopy over it, as most elevated station
stairways
do. There are only 3 elevated stations I've seen so far in New York
that
have no canopies over the stairs. They are Metro-North's 125th St.
Station,
Broadway/Myrtle Ave. Junction in Brooklyn (only 1 stairway, which
appears
to have been closed for some time, and is not as ornate), and the
stairways
at 155th St. and 8th Ave., which are remnants of the 9th Ave. El/Polo
Grounds Shuttle, and more closely resembled the ones in the
commercial.
If you or anyone know of any other elevated stations that have ornate
features, please let me know.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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SUBJECT>Re: Flushing on Pelham?
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 16, 1997 at 13:21:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Flushing on Pelham? posted by John on July 15,
1997 at 23:34:20:
The device probably has an "offical name" (like "stop trip device")
but trip cock is what everybody calls it. Besides, its O.K. to be
politically incorrect in the transit (rail) industry.
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SUBJECT>Questions!
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Posted by WW on July 16, 1997 at 13:43:23:
Hi! I am doing a research project on the problems of the subway, any
ideas?
Thanx.
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH TRACK MAPS 1997 NEW JERSEY
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Posted by John on July 16, 1997 at 13:53:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH TRACK MAPS 1997 NEW JERSEY posted by David
Pirmann on July 16, 1997 at 12:13:24:
I think NJ Transit is considering extending the Newark Subway from
Penn Station into Elizabeth and on to Newark Airport.
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: missed connections
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Posted by John on July 16, 1997 at 14:04:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: missed connections posted by frequent subway rider
on July 16, 1997 at 11:39:34:
The conductors also have a thing about closing the doors in one's
face. This happened to me on so many occasians, I lost count, but a
couple were the fault of my friend, who is totally disorganized and
extremely clumsy. In addition, he doesn't know the layout of the
subway from a map of Athens. Here's an example of his clumsiness: A
couple weeks ago, we were going downtown on the #6 train, headed to
Chinatown, so we were getting off at Canal St. Now, I am always
standing by the door before my train even gets to the station. So the
train comes into Canal, the doors open, and I get out and start for
the turnstiles, however, my friend (his initials are J.T.) was still
sitting while the doors were open, so it's no surprise that we almost
got separated. I had to run back, shove my hand between the door leafs
and holler out to the conductor to re-open the doors.
I tell you; it's an extreme drag and exhaustion with this guy
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 16, 1997 at 16:21:28:
In Reply to: [5]Questions! posted by WW on July 16, 1997 at 13:43:23:
There are definitely some problems with the subway, but you probably
need to be a bit more specific.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: missed connections
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Posted by Steve on July 16, 1997 at 18:39:16:
In Reply to: [5]missed connections posted by aaron on July 16, 1997 at
09:22:01:
The answers from "Frequent Subway Rider" & "John" not withstanding,
let me try to explain to you why this occurs. In short, connections on
the subway are not built into the peak hour schedules, unlike the LIRR
and MN RRs. If two trains happen to meet at a station during the rush
hour it is coincidence, not design.
During peak hours, service on some lines may include trains on a 1
minute headway. Therefore, if a Conductor holds his doors for 30 or 40
seconds to make a connection, he may delay the trrain behind him. In
addition, on time performance is rated by the # of late trains. A
train is late if it arrives late by more than 1/2 of it's scheduled
interval. This means if N trains are 5 minutes apart, a train arriving
at Stillwell Ave 3 minutes behind schedule is late. There are 6 major
connection points on the N line. If the Conductor holds the doors just
30 seconds extra at those 6 stations, to make connections, the train
is late.
And finally, contrary to what Mr Frequent & John have to say, there is
no conspiracy to hit customers with doors or cause them to wait
deliberately. These are the usual rantings of two people who have no
understanding of anything they are talking about. I ride the trains,
several times a day. I even miss a connection now & then. It's just
not planned or deliberate.
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Problems on the Subway
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Posted by M.J.S. on July 16, 1997 at 19:52:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Problems on the Subway posted by Joesph on July
15, 1997 at 17:47:10:
The tokens are a waste of tax money in the long run.
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POSTER>Joe Camel
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Posted by Joe Camel on July 16, 1997 at 20:01:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Problems on the Subway posted by george on July
11, 1997 at 15:20:29:
Once again, in the long run tokens waste money, Street running LRT
helps nothing and is less flexible than busses, how hard is it to open
a box and let an alarm sound? it sure helped alot of people by
lowering false alarms.
SIRT signals are old and antiquated and limit train capabilities and
require lots of maintenance due to age, so do the Newark PCC's and the
RedBirds. There isnt enough demand for cross-town service in the
middle of the night to make running the shuttle cost-effective
especially with the 1995 funding cuts which the MTA has no control
over.
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POSTER>Joe Camel
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SUBJECT>Re: Crime on subway/el systems
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Posted by Joe Camel on July 16, 1997 at 21:05:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Crime on subway/el systems posted by John on July
14, 1997 at 06:05:30:
This has nothing to do with the topic but:
I'm a high school student and I believe that rap should have a c
before it.
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POSTER>Adam
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Posted by Adam on July 16, 1997 at 21:46:02:
Does anyone know what is going on with the Steinway Street station for
the R and G trains? There used to be an entrance to the station
located on the corner of 34th Avenue and Steinway right in front of
the Salvation Army Thrift Store. Now, they have closed off this
entrance and placed wood over the stairway. Are they closing it
permanently or just doing construction? It is inconvenient because now
you have to walk across the street to get into the station. If anyone
knows anything about it, please post. Thanks!
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POSTER>Joe Camel
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Posted by Joe Camel on July 17, 1997 at 00:50:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Derailment posted by Steve on July 14, 1997 at
22:48:08:
YES!!! At least it's a car I don't feel sorry for.
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POSTER>Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on July 17, 1997 at 02:58:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Crime on subway/el systems posted by Joe Camel on
July 16, 1997 at 21:05:46:
That deserves a big "RIGHT ON".
The last thing down and out segments of society, especially kids who
are on the edge, need is the anger and violence of rap music, further
distancing themselves from the mainstream of society.
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POSTER>Keranu
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SUBJECT>Re: Are New Subway Cars Needed & my thoughts on the METRO CARD
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Posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 08:17:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Are New Subway Cars Needed & my thoughts on the
METRO CARD posted by David Pirmann on July 14, 1997 at 08:11:28:
Cool! I'll try that next time I'm down there (Sunday) on my way to
gorgeous sunkist France!! Will have to negotiate the Northern Line
("nightmare line") first though!
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POSTER>Keranu
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Posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 08:20:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Problems on the Subway posted by Steve on July 14,
1997 at 23:01:30:
I don't know, maybe I reckon Glasgow is worse than it really is, its
just that the news is so much crime-focused in Scotland and crime is
still rising here. A person in the grade above me was murdered a few
months back after a football match between Glasgow's rival soccer
teams: Rangers and Celtic. It is this bigotry which actually extends
to religion that gives Glasgow its crime problem.
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POSTER>Still Thicko Keranu
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Posted by Still Thicko Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 08:38:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Archives??? posted by David Pirmann on July 14,
1997 at 07:59:39:
How do you set the news browser thing??
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 17, 1997 at 08:42:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Are New Subway Cars Needed & my thoughts on the
METRO CARD posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 08:17:51:
Oops, I just went back and re-read what I wrote. My U.S.-centric view
left out part of the information about the Travelcard. The cheap one
is called the "Visitor Travelcard" and can be bought at Brit Rail
offices OUTSIDE THE U.K. (for instance the one in New York at 5th &
45th). You brits can't get the el-cheapo card s'far as I know.
-Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 17, 1997 at 08:49:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Archives??? posted by Still Thicko Keranu on July
17, 1997 at 08:38:40:
If you are using Netscape version that has a newsreader (3.0 for sure,
maybe 2.0, I don't remember) or an IE with newsreader, all you should
have to do is click the link. If you are behind a firewall you might
have a problem. To test this, try using telnet: give command "telnet
nycsubway.org 110" (that's a port number), you should get a response
saying "InterNetNews NNRP Server". If not, maybe your ISP can offer
you some assistance...
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Posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 10:06:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Derailment posted by John on July 14, 1997 at
05:48:04:
So if you were in a subway car that went of the track and slammed into
a column and a wall, would it be enough to kill your devotion and end
your being a fan of the subway. Would it stop you using it? I honestly
can't say whether it would deter me.
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Posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 10:10:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Are New Subway Cars Needed & my thoughts on the
METRO CARD posted by David Pirmann on July 17, 1997 at 08:42:57:
WHAT! That's dead strange. come to think of it, I think I read about
it a while back in some leaflet and thought it was strange then too.
Ever been on London tube? Great website by the way!
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on July 17, 1997 at 10:58:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Derailment posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997
at 10:06:46:
Would I still ride the Subway if I was in a wreck? Well I have been
in 4 auto accidents in a 35yr period, the last one head on at 65mph,
and I still drive. Before any comments on my driving the last one I
was a passenger, and only one of the remaining three was my fault.
I was 19. People have to make a choice after being in any accident,
Mass Transit, Airplane, Auto, Ect.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 17, 1997 at 11:06:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Are New Subway Cars Needed & my thoughts on the
METRO CARD posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 10:10:30:
I've been to London twice (11/96 and 4/97). In fact we have a page of
London pictures on the site (http://www.nycsubway.org/london/). The
people at the LT site and the Jubliee Line Extension site have been
really nice. The JLE people sent me a whole package of materials.
Engineering reports, environmental reports, maps, etc. I met up with a
Piccadilly line motorman who took me around and showed me some cool
stuff.
The LU has a strange sort of appeal to it for me being so used to NYC.
I
love the doors on the old cars-- so solid sounding :) The new rolling
stock looks nice-- a touch of color that NYC desperately needs. And
who
can forget "mind the gap... mind the gap".
In November I'm going to be in Paris for a week (tentatively). Maybe
I'll sneak back over to London for a day's riding.
-Dave
p.s. Keranu- I tried to mail this to you but it bounced saying your
email address is an unknown username...
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Posted by Joe Camel on July 17, 1997 at 12:12:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Any new cars becides as the R68's posted by John
on July 15, 1997 at 06:13:20:
Sorry if you don't understand. In the world of refrigerants R11 is
Freon, the Chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) containing chemical that was
outlawed in 1995. R11 is used in air conditioners (of course the
subway cars I mentioned never had air conditioning). Car air
conditioners use R12 instead, also ozone depleting. Because the
chemicals would be outlawed, an alternative chemical named R134 was
developed and is used as a refrigerant in all new Air Conditioning
systems.
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Posted by Brian from chicago on July 17, 1997 at 12:20:22:
In Reply to: [6]Crime on subway/el systems posted by Timothy on July
13, 1997 at 15:20:26:
The CTA El system here in Chicago is pretty safe. Soem Lines to stay
away from ridding alltogether at night times hours ( 10 pm to 5 am)
are. Douglas branch of the Blue Line, Dan Ryan segment of red line,
and the whole green line.
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Posted by BJ on July 17, 1997 at 12:25:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Metra track maps posted by David Pirmann on July
10, 1997 at 16:28:29:
For a map from metra go to http://www.metrarail.com
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 17, 1997 at 12:51:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metra track maps posted by BJ on July 17, 1997 at
12:25:21:
been there done that. The original post was about *track* maps.
Their site only has a route map. If you found a track map could you
post the complete URL?
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on July 17, 1997 at 13:25:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCC Streetcars for Kenosha Wisconsin posted by Joe
M on July 14, 1997 at 22:52:45:
At Seashore we recently regauged Phila. 2709. The methodology was to
disacrd the broad gauge wheel and axle sets, and replace them with
similar units from Boston cars. This is done byremoving the nuts
holding the spring keepers (easier said than done), disconnecting the
drive shafts and lifting the upper part of the truck away. The
original axles and the track brake spacer are then discarded, and the
ones from the standard gauge truck installed, retaining the original
torque arms and magnets. In our case the drive shaft flange also had
to be replaced. In this way we were able to use the maximum number of
parts from the original truck at minimum cost. Of course to do this,
you have to have suitable junk trucks with good axles available.
Gerry
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 13:33:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Derailment posted by Steve on July 14, 1997 at
22:48:08:
The car and its mate in the yard? Alone? Uh, oh. If the car wasn't
damaged too much, you know what this means . . . the next generation
of redbirds!! :-)
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 13:41:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Derailment posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997
at 10:06:46:
Hey, man, things happen, you know! Besides, this is one incident
involving one train out of hundreds of others. Hundreds of trips are
made each day, each without incident. However, the phsycology of some
people is to dwell on a single incident such as this, and phsych
themselves into beleiving that the subway is dangerous. The same thing
that happens whenever a pane crashes. You hear people saying "flying
is so dangerous", "I'm never flying again!", but again, it is one
incident out of hundreds of flights. True, you never know when you'll
get on the fateful train, or fateful plane, but the chances of
something tragic happening are extremely slim, so I don't even think
about it.
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 13:47:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Problems on the Subway posted by Joe Camel on July
16, 1997 at 20:01:42:
Since you mentioned it, the Newark PCCs will start being retired in
1999. They will be replaced with a new LRV manufactured by Kawasaki of
Japan.
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 14:01:34:
In Reply to: [5]Refrigerants and Subway Cars posted by Joe Camel on
July 17, 1997 at 12:12:54:
Oh, man! I didn't even realize you were talking about refrigerants, my
mind was locked on subway cars! In that case, yes, R-134 will most
likely be used in the R-134 :-)
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Posted by Bingo on July 17, 1997 at 19:17:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Streetcars for Kenosha Wisconsin posted by
Nathan on July 11, 1997 at 01:55:48:
Yes, but the CLRV's are OLD! What Toronto needs is another streetcar
ready to phase these cars out. The PCC's were introduced in Toronto to
phase out the Peter Witt cars, then the CLRV's to phase out the PCC's.
The CLRV's time has come, and it had better come soon, because they
weren't built too well and are BREAKING DOWN.>>
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Posted by Bingo on July 17, 1997 at 19:20:00:
In Reply to: [5]TTC Websites posted by Brian W on July 11, 1997 at
16:38:18:
No.
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Posted by Bingo on July 17, 1997 at 19:44:53:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are New Subway Cars Needed & my thoughts on the
METRO CARD posted by sal on July 11, 1997 at 16:46:21:
I totally agree. Giuliani is doing the same thing for workfare as
well. Why don't politicians have the gall to think about the people
they serve before they go out and hurt them? And handicap-devices on
trains are only good for handicap-friendly stations.
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Posted by Bingo on July 17, 1997 at 19:56:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Derailment posted by Keranu on July 14, 1997
at 04:39:10:
Can you imagine being in a tin can being ripped apart as you are
thrown, unrestrained, from your seat, with possible body contact with
poles, seats, doors, other people and objects, all at speeds at over
50 km/h? Would you enjoy the possibility of severe whiplash,
lacerations, neck and back contrusions, spinal compression or just
getting bumped around, or inversely, the possibility of being
paralysed?
Please be a little more sensitive. Sure, no one was on the vehicle,
but there easily could have been and for certain many would have died.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 17, 1997 at 21:58:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by John
on July 17, 1997 at 13:16:56:
There is no East Germany. The whole country was reunited several years
ago after the Berlin Wall fell. As far as those of us in Baltimore
know, no system in the US or Canada has ever bought cars from any of
the Soviet Sattelites. Since the collapse of the Communist "Evil
Empire" several companies have formed partnerships with car builders
in Eastern Europe.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 17, 1997 at 22:15:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway in 2020 (read me) posted by charles on
July 14, 1997 at 11:19:02:
The Washington Metro's farecard system is very easy to cheat. I don't
know all the methods, but they all seem to use the fact that due to
memory constraints, the computers that control the faregates dump the
system every four hours. (The general rule is that no journey takes
more than 4 hours.) Maybe somebody with more knowledge can expand on
the cheat methods. I have heard that several years ago WMATA looked
into revamping the fare collection system and discarded any plans to
upgrade when the cost exceeded the projected losses due to fare
cheating.
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Posted by BJ on July 17, 1997 at 22:54:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metra track maps posted by David Pirmann on July
17, 1997 at 12:51:29:
What Do you mean by *Track* Maps? Metra names all its routes by the
freight railroads that own them. Their are a few route that have names
like southwest service.
Please respond
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POSTER>Brian from Chicago
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Posted by Brian from Chicago on July 17, 1997 at 23:04:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA FARE Card system/comparison to metro card
posted by aaron on July 08, 1997 at 13:53:24:
You did the wrong thing!
you should have told the station agent at Chicago that the second
transfer wasn't free like it was suppost to be and was 1.50.
The Station agent at Belmont couldn't do anything for you, he might
have thought you were lying.
Also, Did you have another .30 on it besides the 1.50?
This shouldn't have effected it, but might.
For all complaints like this, you should call 1-888-your-CTA. They
want to know problems so they can fix them
Did you know that there is an experimental 5 dollar visitors pass
starting in July 1997 ( Already started) for unlimited rides on all
CTA Trains and busses for one 24 hour period.
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Posted by John on July 18, 1997 at 00:07:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by Dan
Lawrence on July 17, 1997 at 21:58:13:
HEllo?! Shouldn't this post be up a few lines? Maybe there's some kind
of a BUG here???? WHAT'S GOING ON? Yeah, What's Going On, Oh, What's
Going On. Ah, ya, ya, ya, ya! Aiy, yai, ya . . . . . sorry, guys, it's
just that I'm listening to the song "What's Going On" right now, and
I'm pretty involved. Don't mind me.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 18, 1997 at 08:19:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metra track maps posted by BJ on July 17, 1997 at
22:54:13:
Track maps show individual tracks, sidings, switches, and platform
placement. A route map would show a single line between adjacent
stations, whereas a track map might show 4 lines (each representing a
track), and a set of crossover switches that might be between those
two stations.
Cheesy ascii mode:
route map style would have a single line with markers for stations, here a b
ig O for express and a little o for local
72nd 86th 96th
----0--------------o-----------------O-----
track map style shows each track and platform placement, and a crossover swi
tch between two stations.
72nd 86th 96th
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X
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See the difference? For NYC examples see [7]Track Maps, [8]Route Map,
and lots of examples of route and track maps in [9]Transit Maps.
--Dave
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 18, 1997 at 21:54:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by Dan
Lawrence on July 17, 1997 at 21:58:13:
Dan, it's amazing how many systems get they're cars from Europe in
general. I do know that the Breda cars come from Italy that serve the
DC Metro---right down the road from you
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 19, 1997 at 23:51:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by Mark
Greenwald on July 18, 1997 at 21:54:33:
I was referring to the former East Bloc countries, not Europe in
general. US systems buy from other than USA manufacturers because the
railcar industry no longer exists in this country.
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Posted by Brian on July 20, 1997 at 21:09:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Metra track maps posted by David Pirmann on July
18, 1997 at 08:19:48:
You might want to contact the freight railroads that own the majority
of Metra lines.
I can tell you that the BNSF is three tracks with side platforms
except the Aurora
end of the line stop which is a middle platform and a branch off the
main line.
the yards are located at the Aurora stop
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Posted by Kevin Keith on July 21, 1997 at 14:22:55:
In Reply to: [6]Problems on the Subway posted by Chris on July 11,
1997 at 14:27:58:
I've been living in NYC for four years and have seen not only the
subway, but the entire city improve in one way or another. Delays on
the subways are inevitable...(just try driving w/o delays!).
I think METROCARD is a no-brainer good idea...welcome to the 21st
century, NY...get over the loss of the token. Load your card up $20
bucks and use it...no long lines!!
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POSTER>Kevin Keith
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Posted by Kevin Keith on July 21, 1997 at 15:00:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Crime on subway/el systems posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on July 17, 1997 at 02:58:03:
I experience these animal breed kids on the subways at times. The
music has got to stop (or at least be turned down).
These same kids who are animals are going to blame society for them
not being able to get a job.
May I suggest that these kids attend the NY Philharmonic concert in
Central Park tomorrow evening (tues) to give classical music a
shot...just please leave the boom boxes at home!!!!
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Posted by shorty thomas on July 21, 1997 at 15:35:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Problems on the Subway posted by Kevin Keith on
July 21, 1997 at 14:22:55:
Yeah Yeah Yeah for the Metrocard. As a two fare zone rider for the
past 6 years this is the brightest idea NYCTA has ever had and boy
does it save a buck. I never stood in long lines unecesarily as I
learned early on in life to buy tokens on the way out, not into work
or on weekends.
Metro card is cool. Get use to it New York and quit crying...
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Posted by Bingo on July 22, 1997 at 16:36:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Derailment posted by FRED WELLMAN on July 17,
1997 at 10:58:32:
When you drive a car and get in an accident, one knows that either
they themselves erred in the control of their vehicle, or someone else
did. A subway is a mass-transit service where the rider has absolutely
no control over the train. Millions of passengers put their trust in
the operators training, experience and knowledge of the subway's
safety systems. A passenger is never at fault in a subway accident.
As to riding the subway after being in an accident, that would be up
to the individual. I myself would ride again after a few weeks of
asserting to myself i'd never get on again, but then again, I live in
Toronto where the subways safety record is beyond reproach.
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Posted by robert on July 22, 1997 at 18:31:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Have idea? posted by Steve on July 08, 1997 at
19:13:38:
The TA isn't interested in your ideas. The idea of "looking it up in a
Manhatten phone book" is absurd and childish. There is simply too many
turf problems as well as an I-didn't-invent-it in an organization that
is not run by the standards of a normal business organization. One TA
design engineer I know is off the boat from a foreign country and
barely speaks english but he got hired. The wheel is rediscovered
every year and the actual organization arrangements are kept from the
public. There is also millions of dollars in political pork shifted
around you never hear about. Privatization would be the only answer
but that isn't going to happen. There are too many overpaid
underworked executives who couldn't hold jobs at a McDonalds with
fabulous golden parachutes.
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Posted by Steve on July 22, 1997 at 20:11:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: But a subway is different! posted by Bingo on July
22, 1997 at 16:36:50:
Safety is never beyond reproach. I guess that you missed the last
little ooops the Toronto system had a year or so ago.
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Posted by Zack on July 23, 1997 at 01:37:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway in 2020 posted by John on July 09, 1997
at 13:51:22:
the subway in 2020 will be FULLY atomated. including fare collection
atomated trains. the stations&cars will have grated floors allowing
the urine to flow freeley threw the floor and to clean the station
open up a high pressure water pipe turn off the electrisity and flush
away. the J/Z line will by that time will be re built with concrete
and paid for by coca cola and you will see new redbirds looking like
big coca cola cans.
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Posted by Fred Wellman on July 23, 1997 at 18:10:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: But a subway is different! posted by Bingo on July
22, 1997 at 16:36:50:
As a passenger in a car I have very little control over the driver. I
guess we must agree to disagree.
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Posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 23:01:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway in 2020 posted by Zack on July 23, 1997
at 01:37:34:
What about silver trains with red stripes that look like Diet Coke
cans :-)
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 23:02:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997
at 17:48:57:
I dont think NYCT will be purchasing any classics because of ADA
requirements, and they are pretty much trying to stick to the same
type of equipment despite different companies. Right now I hear that
Novabus may be selling their bus manufacturing plant despite making
over 1500 hundred buses last year. Right now transit is dealing a lot
with new flyer of Canada for 150 articulate buses which are right now
in service in the Bronx and low floor buses which permit wheel chairs
to enter from the front. There is a contract for 70 of these. One is
currently being tested at Mother Clara Hale depot in Harlem on the M1,
M7 and BX33.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 24, 1997 at 10:07:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 23,
1997 at 23:03:27:
Yes, I ridden several of the New Flyer articulateds from Kingsbridge
depot. I know that the TA was interested in articulated buses for
years - in fact I rememeber them testing articulated buses built by
MAN and Neoplan, but I was suprised when they selected New Flyer. Not
that New Flyer doesn't build a good bus, but TA seems to test a bus
for a long time before they will buy it and the New Flyer demonstrator
wasn't in service very long before this order started to arrive. While
were on the subject of New Flyer, I must say that I think the New
Flyer low floor bus is definitely not a good idea for the TA to use.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 24, 1997 at 10:12:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on July 24, 1997
at 10:07:35:
I agree, I drove that same model when I worked at the Port Authority
for a year and it wont make it in the pothole covered streets of
Manhattan. There were times that the bus would scrape high sidewalks,
etc. I told this to someone from research and development but I guess
they are intent on this model. My best friend operates the articulates
and he does not like them. I saw one for the first time in person the
other day at 149St and 3av. in the Bronx, and I noticed that it really
holds a lot of people.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 24, 1997 at 14:23:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 24,
1997 at 10:12:24:
I haven't talked to anyone who's operated the articulateds yet, but I
have heard that some operators at Kingsbridge & Casey Stengel do not
care for the Orions. I believe it was the first Orions that arrived in
1993 that were equipped with the 6V92 engines. If it's true then I
feel sorry for Casey Stengel bus operators because that depot has
nothing but Orions assigned to it.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 24, 1997 at 16:59:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 23,
1997 at 23:03:27:
Fernando,
I forgot to say earlier that NovaBus Classics do meet ADA
requirements. In fact they have the wheelchair lift in the front door
like the New Flyers and most other buses except the RTS of course.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 24, 1997 at 17:11:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on July 24, 1997
at 14:23:57:
Rumors have it that one day only Casey Stengal and Jackie Gleason will
have Orions, and KB will have RTS and Articulate'sa only. I dont like
the Orions myself either, last year I had to drive one for 19a testing
and I hated the way it felt. One good thing though, it is a fast!!!
bus.
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Posted by Bingo on July 24, 1997 at 18:04:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: But a subway is different! posted by Steve on July
22, 1997 at 20:11:17:
Certainly not. TTC is still in the process of replacing the faulty
Ericcson signals.
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Posted by Zack on July 24, 1997 at 19:39:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 24,
1997 at 17:11:09:
I haerd that Orion was no longer takeing orders for buses????
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 25, 1997 at 05:28:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Zack on July 24, 1997 at
19:39:58:
THey just received a big order for natural gas CNG's! 224 of them
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 25, 1997 at 09:10:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: re: Buses posted by Zack on July 24, 1997 at
19:39:58:
I'm sure Orion/BIA will continue to accept orders - especially since
the NYCT(A) seem to have taking a liking to Orion buses. I'm just glad
that the NYCT fleet is getting something else other than RTS. RTS
currently make up an overwhelming majority of the NYCT fleet. I really
wish that the TA had purchased some Flxible Metros. In my opinion I
feel the TA never made another purchase from Grumman/Flxible because
they would have been admitting that they were wrong. After Grumman had
repaired the defective 870 models (for all cities that bought them)
NYCTA at the time complained that the buses were unfit for service -
and of course most of those same buses are doing just fine at NJ
Transit and a few went to Queen City Metro in Cincinatti.
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Posted by Joe-M on July 25, 1997 at 15:59:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Streetcars for Kenosha Wisconsin posted by
Gerry O'Regan on July 17, 1997 at 13:25:08:
Thanks for the information
We will be getting the cars home to Kenosha in the near future. We
hope to have them running sometime in 1999.
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Posted by Zack on July 25, 1997 at 20:25:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on July 25, 1997
at 09:10:41:
Pierce transit in tacoma wa had some grumman they were lemons i havent
seen one in years then i think they all gone now :( i think there were
870's
they never purchased one again excpt some for seattle express witch i
never got to ride :(
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on July 28, 1997 at 07:40:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway in 2020 posted by Zack on July 23, 1997
at 01:37:34:
I have been reading other peoples responses to Subway 2020. I had
expressed some interest in
certain views. Now I am Stating mine.
Changes:
The Manhattan Bridge will be closed down for the next five years on
both sides while the bridge
undergoes major overhaul work.
The Willamsburg Bridge will have been declared structurally un-sound
and will be closed to all
subway traffic for an indefinite amount of time.
The TA has already replaced the R28,29,33,36,32,40,40M,42,44s The
R62s, R62As R68s and
R68As are undergoing the first general overhaul. The R110Bs are in
OPTO Shuttle Service on the
Newly rebuilt Franklin Avenue Shuttle. The R110As are in OPTO Shuttle
service on the Dyre
Avenue Shuttle. The R62s are also being overhauled.
There are no more commuter railroads of seperate entities, the
commuter railroads, subways , and
buses have been combined to form one agency MTA New York State
Commuter systems. Which
replaces the MTA. NYCT, LIRR MNR NYC BUS LI BUS and Card Company
The MTA Has relinguished control of bridges and tunnels over to the
city. the Bridges and tunnels
now go into a state of deffered maintenence.
OPTO is expanded to the R Shuttle.
All trains are cut in half to four or five cars on midnights as a
crime prevention method.
After the city admits to having removed police from the subways the TA
gets its own police
force. The New Agency created is MTA NYS transit Police. A
congleramate of MN PD And LIRR
Police.
Signal System is updated to 21st. Centry Technology.
All Stations are rebuilt or rehabillitated.
50 Percent of New York City Residents are Now traveling by subway
The Token has been completely replaced by Metrocard. Discounts and
free transfers are
offered, though the fare is now up to $2.50
Metrocard is now used in PATH.
MNR & LIRR Offers discount tickets to subway & Bus Riders using
metrocard
Tunnels are going to replace the ill fated manhattan bridge as will as
the williamsburg bridge.
The Stations between 59 Street and Stillwell avenue on the sea beach
have been renovated
similar to the Beverly Road Station on the brighton line.
Construction is slated to begin on the 2/5 extention down flatbush
Avenue through to marine
park.
Plans for tunnel to connect R train to MTA SIR are underway
6 train derails destroying the sound proof glass installed by the NYTM
at the city hall station
Vacuum train the seventh version is again being sent back once again
to france due excesseve
derailments
the second avenue subway plan has been deemed to costly the plan is
once again put on hold in
definitley
The subway will continue to be open 24 hrs a day.
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Posted by NO TUNNEL on July 28, 1997 at 23:54:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway in 2020 posted by Charles on July 28,
1997 at 07:40:11:
How can the SIR-Subway tunnel be built while the Second Avenue Subway
isn't?
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 29, 1997 at 00:21:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Zack on July 24, 1997 at
19:39:58:
No, 224 new Orions will be shipped by 1998 to Jackie Gleason depot in
Brooklyn where a new gasser is being built to fuel them up in less
than 5 minutes instead of the half hour it takes now to feull up the
current CNG's (24)
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Posted by Zack on July 29, 1997 at 02:24:50:
Were any R-30's saved??? are there any left???
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Posted by John on July 29, 1997 at 02:25:17:
I just thought of something. If Staten Island residents decided to
break away from New York and become a part of New Jersey, who will
operate the busses? Will NJ Transit acquire the current routes,
purchase all the Staten Island busses from the MTA, paint them in NJT
colors? Will they do the same with the SIRT? What if Staten Island
becomes it's own state? What will happen then?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 29, 1997 at 09:17:44:
In Reply to: [5]The Staten Island Handover!! posted by John on July
29, 1997 at 02:25:17:
I thought that Staten Island's goal was not to join NJ, but to become
an independent city. If this happens then my guess is that all of
those wonderful public services they have now will dissappear. Maybe
the state would arrange something because it would no longer be a part
of NYC.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 29, 1997 at 13:03:23:
In Reply to: [6]The Staten Island Handover!! posted by John on July
29, 1997 at 02:25:17:
NJ doesn't want Staten Island. But we will take Liberty and Ellis
Islands. :)
At worst if SI chose to secede it will be from the City, not the
State. Presumably it would then be treated as any other county in the
state of New York with seperate municipality government (e.g. town
mayors) and county government (freeholders, councilmen, whatever). I
don't see why the MTA wouldn't continue to provide service - the MTA
is not a city agency but rather a state agency. MTA Staten Island
Railway could continue as it always has. It's really the services that
the city provides that would be under question, e.g. Police, Fire
Department, social services, etc. Maybe the existing services could be
incorporated into county departments that in other places the
municipalities provide. (That is, there wouldn't be a New Dorp Police
Department and a St. George PD, but just a Richmond County PD.)
All IMHO of course.
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Posted by William A. Padron on July 29, 1997 at 13:49:55:
In Reply to: [6]Are there ant R-30's left posted by Zack on July 29,
1997 at 02:24:50:
There is only ONE R-27 type car in existence today:
#8145 - Pitkin Yard, Track 9 - South End Stub, Brooklyn
(adjecent to R-10 car #3189, the R.C.I. Yard Office-School Training
Car, on Track 8).
The New York Transit Museum in Brooklyn has R-30 type car #8506 on
display at the far west end of the south side train platform. There
are also maybe a few other R-30's at Coney Island Yard (or in other
locations), including cars 8289-8290 seen in full view from the deep
southern end of the Coney Island-bound platform of the Avenue X - IND
"F" line in Brooklyn. My best guess there could be no more than eight
R-30 cars in existence, but their car numbers are unknown completely
to myself at this time.
Sincerely,
William A. Padron
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on July 29, 1997 at 18:07:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Staten Island Handover!! posted by Wayne
Johnson on July 29, 1997 at 09:17:44:
Yes it was to become the City of Staten Island within NY State.
Because of the city/state "Home Rule" law, S.I. levaing the city will
not happen. The State won't vote on it until the City Council approves
it, or somthing like that. All I know as an ex-staten islander who
voted to leave the city, the issue is dead in the water.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 30, 1997 at 07:46:45:
Today's (7/30) Daily News has an article on incorrect subway station
signs. Whoever did the survey could simply have read this bulletin
board and saved a good deal of money. Can you imagine if they found
the sign for the Second Avenue El? Anyone have a picture of it they
can post? NY Daily News is available on-line for those who care.
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Posted by charles on July 30, 1997 at 08:57:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway in 2020 posted by NO TUNNEL on July 28,
1997 at 23:54:21:
A tunnel to Staten Island could open up Staten Island to the rest of
NYC. If this could be done the economy of this city would improve.
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POSTER>charles
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Posted by charles on July 30, 1997 at 09:03:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by William A.
Padron on July 29, 1997 at 13:49:55:
I believe that there are, besides the R30's in the museum, R30's
"floating around" in work service. 8289- 8290 are NY transit police
training cars they have a sign on them stating they are not to be
stripped.
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Posted by charles on July 30, 1997 at 09:04:47:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by William A.
Padron on July 29, 1997 at 13:49:55:
I believe that there are, besides the R30's in the museum, There are
R30's "floating around" in work service. 8289- 8290 are NY transit
police training cars they have a sign on them stating they are not to
be stripped.
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 30, 1997 at 11:37:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Staten Island Handover!! posted by Lou on July
29, 1997 at 18:07:35:
When the settlers were divvying up the metro area, the New Yorkers
were in a Bogart mindset. Imagine grabbing SI and Liberty Island, both
a stone's throw from NJ. (Jerseyans have gotten over Miss Liberty
being a New Yorker, but they still don't like having to look at her
backside every day).
As a former Bayonne resident, I can remember many trips over the
Bayonne Bridge and can confirm that Staten Islanders have more in
common with Jersey than New York. Proximity alone puts SI squarely
onto Jersey's side (or in its armpit). The shopping malls, the dumps
-- vintage Jersey.
I know New Yorkers, even on SI, are fiercely loyal, but imagine
passing on a chance to become a Son or Daughter of the Garden State!
Aren't they tired of pumping their own gas?
Sorry if this went a bit off topic; it's a sore subject. (OK, I don't
care what happens as long as the Ferry stays).
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Posted by Lou on July 30, 1997 at 13:30:14:
The past two subway "attacks" that have been highlighted in the local
paper have both happen on OPTO Subway trains (One Person Train
Operation).
Could not having a conductor on the train prevented or if not
prevented, help in the investigation of these crimes.
In the first murder in the subway system this year, a man was stabbed
in the neck, exited the train and fell to the platform. If there had
been a conductor on this train, watching the platform as the train
left the station instead of a train operator watching the track ahead
after he got the signal all the doors were closed could have helped in
at least keeping the train (full of possible witness') in the station.
Could have call Command immeaditly for assistance??
Will the TA consider these two crimes as they look at OPTO (almost a
year in operation on "shuttle" lines) before expanding OPTO to more of
the system??
Does anyone feel that OPTO are less safe??
I don't know,
Lou
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at 13:58:03:
In Reply to: [5]OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by Lou
on July 30, 1997 at 13:30:14:
There can be no doubt that two pair of eyes are more apt to catch
sight of something out of the ordinary than one pair would be likely
to.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at 14:12:08:
I know many of you have mentioned this book, and are obviously aware
of it, but I just got a copy from our library, and I feel compelled to
recommend it highly. It is NOT your typical Subway book! I almost did
not check it out because it was so obviously non-technical. We
engineers hate to admit that non technical information can be of any
value. WRONG!! Anyone like myself who has been away from NY for 30
years or so MUST read this book to understand what you contemporaries
are talking about in terms of the "dark ages" of the late seventies
and early eighties. I always held Beame and
Koch in low esteem, but now I can back up my opinion with facts.
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POSTER>aaron
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Posted by aaron on July 30, 1997 at 14:46:57:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Lives posted by Gary Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at
14:12:08:
see today's New York Times Metro Section
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 30, 1997 at 15:57:03:
In Reply to: [6]OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by Lou
on July 30, 1997 at 13:30:14:
Not only did the two attacks this month take place on OPTO trains but
they both took place on the Rockaway Shuttle. So without crime figures
from the other OPTO operations (Dyre, West End, 42nd St., Franklin,
Rockaway Shuttles. None of which are full time AFAIK), I don't think
it's necessarily appropriate to say OPTO=Crime. This month, it seems,
that Rockaway=Crime.
The real question about this murder incident in my mind is that all of
the reports say that the man collapsed on the platform, other
passengers on the platform shouted for assistance, and the train doors
closed and it pulled away. Now, it doesn't matter whether it was just
the OPTO motorman or if a conductor was also there. The
conductor/motorman still had to be looking out the window at the
platform as the doors were being closed and should have seen the
commotion regardless of his position on the train.
Or has that rule changed? Do OPTO motormen simply use mirrors to see
the train from his/her seated position in the cab? *That's* a safety
problem more so than OPTO itself...
--Dave
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 30, 1997 at 16:36:18:
Had my first experience with OPTO since riding the Munich U-bahn in
1972. The operator has the end of the car blocked off with a yellow
retractable strip which is mounted on the back of the cab. It is
threaded through the seatback handle across the aisle and then
attached to a clip at the top of the cab's back wall. [Of course, the
newer equipment, 1992 vintage, has transverse cabs.] At each island
plat, he/she has to walk across to the window, unlock it, then unlock
the door controller. For PA he/she uses a telephone handset with a
lonnnngggg cord which he/she sets in a cradle on the [opened] cab
door. There are some maddening slow spots on the line anyway, along
some nice tangent track on fill just south of Loyola, but the little
delays for this OPTO business were really annoying. A side problem of
all this is the removal of the single seats which were located right
at that front window. Ah, Progress!!!!!
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Posted by Worried on July 30, 1997 at 18:36:42:
Does anyone out there know if Amtrak got that 1/2 cent from the Gas
Tax in the Federal Budget??? I know that McCain (of the Senate) wanted
it.
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POSTER>Louie (The original)
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Posted by Louie (The original) on July 30, 1997 at 18:43:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Staten Island Handover!! posted by Charlie
Bonaire on July 30, 1997 at 11:37:02:
Just for trivia's sake, did you know the reason that SI is in NY is
because NJ lost a stupid boat race 350 years ago!!! I kid you not!!!
(and you things are done stupidly these days!)
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at 19:45:53:
In Reply to: [5]A Question on the Budget posted by Worried on July 30,
1997 at 18:36:42:
Direct word from OST two hours ago.... Amtrak funding still
unspecified.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at 19:55:07:
In Reply to: [5]A Question on the Budget posted by Worried on July 30,
1997 at 18:36:42:
I went back and reread what I received, and should clarify; Amtrak
funding not decided, but 1/2% from trust fund is OUT !
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Posted by Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:04:00:
In Reply to: [6]OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by Lou
on July 30, 1997 at 13:30:14:
I read that theory being brandished by the TWU, that had their been a
conductor, it would have helped in the investigation of both crimes.
Question 1) How much faster could the police have solved these crimes.
Arrests came less than 2 hours after each one.
Question 2) How many crimes do conductors prevent? Would the presence
of a conductor saved the victim's life in the 2nd attack?
Of course we'll never know. A conductor can only watch one or two
cars. Not much comfort if you are in one of the other 6 or 8 cars he
can't watch.
I don't think OPTO is the issue.
What the TA needs is closed circuit TV. Unfortunately, this is
something the R-142s and R-143s won't have.
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Posted by Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:04:15:
In Reply to: [6]OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by Lou
on July 30, 1997 at 13:30:14:
I read that theory being brandished by the TWU, that had their been a
conductor, it would have helped in the investigation of both crimes.
Question 1) How much faster could the police have solved these crimes.
Arrests came less than 2 hours after each one.
Question 2) How many crimes do conductors prevent? Would the presence
of a conductor saved the victim's life in the 2nd attack?
Of course we'll never know. A conductor can only watch one or two
cars. Not much comfort if you are in one of the other 6 or 8 cars he
can't watch.
I don't think OPTO is the issue.
What the TA needs is closed circuit TV. Unfortunately, this is
something the R-142s and R-143s won't have.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:07:33:
In Reply to: [6]Are there ant R-30's left posted by Zack on July 29,
1997 at 02:24:50:
There are 2 R-30s, which are used as school cars, in Concourse Yard.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 31, 1997 at 00:29:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
David Pirmann on July 30, 1997 at 15:57:03:
From the Baltimore perspective, since all MTA rail operations are
OPTO, here are the operating regs:
Subway: The operator MUST observe the doors/platform before pushing
the close button. i.e. operator must stick head out of cab window and
look.
Light Rail: Cars are equipped with parabolic mirrors that give a clear
view of all doors on a 3 car train. Doors must be observed and
announcement made before close button is pushed.
So far, nobody has been attacked on the Subway (14th year of
operation) and there have been a minimun of door incidents on the LR
in 5 years of operation.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 31, 1997 at 10:15:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
Dan Lawrence on July 31, 1997 at 00:29:40:
The same is true in Washington-----the operator HAS to look outside
the train to make sure all the doors can be closed safely-----In fact,
since his seat is on the right hand side of the car, he can't reach
the button for the doors on the left without getting up.
I also believe that the same is true for Atlanta---I didn't think to
really notice last time I was there.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 31, 1997 at 12:37:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
Mark Greenwald on July 31, 1997 at 10:15:53:
In Baltimore the operating position is on the left, and all the
platforms are island. The only time an operator has to leave the seat
is when the train is crossed over to the other track at a platform.
(At terminals and the once-in-a-while "wrong railing")
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on July 31, 1997 at 13:09:59:
In Reply to: [5]OPTO on the Evanston Express posted by Charles Fiori
on July 30, 1997 at 16:36:18:
Yes, OPTO and the famed-railfan seat do not mix at all on CTA. SOme of
the other lines that are not yet OPTO are going to be converted to
OPTO,
though I forget which ones. Ravenswood, Midway and Evanston Express
are
all OPTO now; I forget if the Green Line is.
--Mark
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Posted by aaron on July 31, 1997 at 13:20:50:
In Reply to: [6]OPTO on the Evanston Express posted by Charles Fiori
on July 30, 1997 at 16:36:18:
Wait until the Red Line goes OPTO, just about all of the station
platforms
are on the opposite side of the cab. This might be the dumbest thing
the
CTA has ever done...
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on July 31, 1997 at 19:31:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:04:15:
Not living in NYC I have no real feeling about OPTO. WHat I am
interested in is what are the locations and dates of the first
subway death in the past 10 years?
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Posted by NO HANDOVER on July 31, 1997 at 19:38:37:
In Reply to: [5]The Staten Island Handover!! posted by John on July
29, 1997 at 02:25:17:
Spot the Dog will buy the busses, and he will personally drive the
busiest one down the NJTP to midtown during rush hour.
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Posted by NO COUNTY on July 31, 1997 at 19:40:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Staten Island Handover!! posted by David
Pirmann on July 29, 1997 at 13:03:23:
Or SI would be one city, with NO separate county gov't like the 4
Boroughs.
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Posted by NO VOTE on July 31, 1997 at 19:42:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Staten Island Handover!! posted by Lou on July
29, 1997 at 18:07:35:
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!
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Posted by NO FARE on July 31, 1997 at 19:44:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Staten Island Handover!! posted by Charlie
Bonaire on July 30, 1997 at 11:37:02:
Not only must the Freery stay, but it must remain a Freery.
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Posted by Brian on July 31, 1997 at 21:44:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO on the Evanston Express posted by Mark S
Feinman on July 31, 1997 at 13:09:59:
Mark,
All the CTA Lines are one man operation, except the two Subway lines,
the
Red and Blue.
OPTO means one man operation ( loosely ), Correct???
Also: Are the subways in NYC Converted to one man operation yet?
It is very stupid that the CTA did this, you are correct. They just
want to save money, which is wrong becasue they had the green line
renovated recently when they were in debt and the government gave them
the money for that!!!!!
They ever have the motor man announce the stations on some of the
lines!
They need to get recordings for all the lines including the ones that
have
no announcements
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Posted by Lou on July 31, 1997 at 22:22:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:04:15:
OPTO Trains are 4 cars or less, most are only two. I am all for
running less cars late at night BUT KEEP THE CONDUCTOR!!
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Posted by Lou on July 31, 1997 at 22:30:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
David Pirmann on July 30, 1997 at 15:57:03:
From my experience in observing the Franklin Ave OPTO (about 5 times
so far returning from the zoo) 3 times the motorman head was out,
looked, head in and the door closed. On the R68(A) can the you see the
motorman's indication as you walk across the cab to the seat (2.5
steps)??
3 times is not a standard though.
I haven't seen any OPTO motorman point to the sign board though >G
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Posted by Zack on August 01, 1997 at 21:44:28:
What do all thoes ex subway trains converted into work trains do???
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Posted by Steve on August 01, 1997 at 23:33:06:
In Reply to: [6]work trains posted by Zack on August 01, 1997 at
21:44:28:
Some become rider cars on work trains.
Some become special cars like the revenue
collection cars or things like pump cars or tunnel
wash cars. Some even become props in movies.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 04, 1997 at 23:00:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 04, 1997 at 22:15:29:
What about Call-on lights on interlocking signals, what are they for?
and what about explaining the Grade-Time Control (which I can't).
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Posted by Brian W (formerly known as just Brian) on June 06, 1997
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by M.J.S. on
June 04, 1997 at 23:00:18:
On the TTC (as well as other transit systems I'm sure), a call-on
light indicates to the operator to perform a manual key-by, which
means to stop the train and pull a switch on the outside of the train,
which will de-activate the trip arm, allowing the train to pass.
Grade-timed zones make sure a train stays at its proper speed by
tripping the train's brakes if it is going too fast. In Toronto, the
basic combinations of aspects on a grade-timed signal are the
following:
RED or RED OVER RED: Stop, the next block is occupied.
RED OVER WHITE or RED OVER RED OVER WHITE: Obey the speed limit, this
signal will clear only if the speed limit is obeyed.
YELLOW or YELLOW OVER GREEN: Proceed carefully, the next block after
this one is occupied.
YELLOW OVER WHITE or YELLOW OVER GREEN OVER WHITE: Obey the speed
limit, next signal is red and will only clear to a proceed aspect if
the speed limit is obeyed.
As you can see, this "lunar white" light changes the meaning of each
light combination, which can be very confusing. In fact, it was one of
the factors leading up to the fatal subway accident in 1995 (Toronto's
first ever). Let me know if you want details of the accident!
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Posted by David M. Razler on June 07, 1997 at 12:08:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Call-on lights/grade-time control posted by Brian
W (formerly known as just Brian) on June 06, 1997 at 18:15:39:
I thought the white lights were eliminated years ago - in fact the use
of red=stop, white=go made one of James Burke's early Connections TV
shows, JB telling how all over the world red lenses shattered as
things were kicked up by trains, etc, and all over the world, trains
crashed as operators saw white lights and figured all was clear.
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Posted by Jay Yudof on June 12, 1997 at 17:07:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway train frequencies posted by John W.
Lindloff on June 03, 1997 at 18:32:59:
Looking at speed, how much faster can anyone have run in the system
(say, 15% shorter station holding and 15% faster running isn't that
profound an improvement).
Looking at rush hour loading, it's obvious that frequency is the
inverse of headway. The rush hour headway in a constrained point (like
a Queens-Manhattan tunnel) at a given headway (like 120 seconds),
yields a peak frequency of 30 trains (summing all the service which
uses the tunnel). Traffic requirements have shifted (like the fall-off
of Bronx service), but the bottlenecks haven't been pruned. I recall a
page (I think in Joe Brennan's strings) of headways, showing most
bottlenecks at peak running over 30 trains/hr.
Looking at off-peak, we all know that service is way down, especaially
on weekends, when there are no train crews on swing.
Regarding co-ordinated conections, I would be interested if anyone
(esp. an insider) knows of any current or past work on coordinating
inter-line connections (except the obvious, like shuttles on the
midnight service).
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Posted by Jay Yudof on June 12, 1997 at 18:09:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: San Francisco Muni posted by Gerry O'Regan on May
15, 1997 at 09:22:21:
For what its worth, I had a day to visit SF last month, and it was a
railfan's dream (OK, service was slow at night and a subway entrance
with high traffic was closwed, e'est la vie). For a $6 daypass bought
from a cable car conductor (the system has 3-day, 1-week, 1-month
passes, etc.), I was able to ride:
o cable cars
o surface trolleys (PCCs on Market St.)
o modern LRT on private ROW and subway
o trackless trolleys (monolith and articulated)
o diesel busses (monolith and articulated)
I even got to do all this and play tourist with my wife, who is not a
rail fan.
the town is also served by the oft-discussed BART, by heavy rail
commuter service (CalTrain; diesels pulling double-deckers into the SF
depot), and by commuter ferries.
Looking forward to a return trip.
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at 15:52:13:
In Reply to: [6]IRT Model R110 Subway Cars posted by Phil Dominguez on
June 13, 1997 at 15:43:13:
I've never seen the R110A in service.
If you have, maybe you could take some pictures of it for us.
--Dave
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Posted by Peggy Darlington on June 15, 1997 at 11:30:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June
07, 1997 at 18:08:33:
1- Run a Express in Brooklyn usign the center track of the West End El
in the rush direction. Run to Queensbridge at all times except when a
shuttle.
2- Run the C Train from WTC to 168 and the to Bedford park and
Cocnourse during rush when D is express.
3- Run the G to Church Ave as a local and the F as express at Bergen,
carroll, Church, etc. using the express tracks and lower level.
4-Run the N as Broadway express after Canal as was done with the Q
when the bridge was closed for 6 months.
5- IRT: Swap South terminals for 3 and 4. Run the 3 (Still going to
148) to Utica and the 4 (Still going to Woodlawn via Lex Exp.) to New
Lots
like is done when 3 does not run. During rush hours in peak direction
run a 6- Run the J express to/from eastern Parkway via center track.
7- Swap the North Terminals for E & F. (At nights when the B is
shuttle the E would handle Queensbridge.) I have seen R-46 on the E
line.
NOTE: The < > is meant to be a rush hour only train like the express.
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Posted by Brian W on June 20, 1997 at 17:11:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: T.O. Signal Maps posted by Nathan on June 20, 1997
at 02:11:47:
Thank you!
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In Reply to: [5]You mean the trucks are loose?? (Was Re: Questions on
Refurbished R-40 Modifications) posted by Julio Perez on June 25, 1997
at 07:47:02:
The trucks on all NYCT equipment are kept in place by good old gravity
and nothing more. That is, on all car classes except the R-68s. The
R-68s and 68As have safety hangers on the ar body and the truck frame
which interlock. It is possible to lift an R-68 carbody with the truck
attached although this is NOT an accepted practice.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: You mean the trucks are loose?? (Was Re: Questions
on Refurbished R-40 Modifications) posted by Steve on June 25, 1997 at
21:11:08:
Why are the R-68s different? Were the standards changed? Explain !!!
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Posted by Joe Camel on July 17, 1997 at 01:12:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Info for getting to Port Authority Terminal from
JFK posted by John on July 14, 1997 at 17:13:33:
You can buy a metrocard, a thin plastic card that can hold up to
$100.00
dollars in fares at one time, however you can only purchase a card for
a minimum of $3.00 and a maximum of $80.00, refills can be done at any
price up to $80.00 as long as the total never exceeds $100.00. The
only incentive to using the metrocard is that you can transfer free
from bus to subway.
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Posted by Joe Camel on July 17, 1997 at 01:14:35:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Bus Fleets posted by Garfield on July 14, 1997 at
17:30:54:
I just saw a Command Bus with such an advertisement for George of the
Jungle parked on Fillmore Ave. in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on July 17, 1997 at 02:50:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH TRACK MAPS 1997 NEW JERSEY posted by David
Pirmann on July 16, 1997 at 12:13:24:
I failed to understand what was meant by Dave's last comment in
response to Steve Lowenthal's request "Have you ever *found* what you
were looking for here?"?
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Posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 08:33:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Bus Fleets posted by Bobw on July 14, 1997 at
21:20:33:
Greater Glasgow Buses in Scotland have employed this technique. There
is a problem with allover advertisments though because in Britain
buses are deregulated so if you see a bus with an overall
advertisement you don't know what company it is. I want to get on a
no. 18 to Bearsden with Kelvin, not Possilpark with Gtr G'gow.
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Posted by WW on July 17, 1997 at 09:12:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Questions! posted by Wayne Johnson on July 16,
1997 at 16:21:28:
Alright, I was thinking about how to improve the air quality of the
Subways, and suggestions?
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Posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 09:25:11:
I just found the archives, thanks for help. Also saw your reply to my
memorising the subway thing. I HAVE drawn the subway map without
looking (OK I had to cheat a bit to remember some of the stations on
the Culver and Brighton lines cos I couldn't remember what the letters
of the avenues were!). I have done the same numerous times with the
London Underground which is far simpler to draw. I never used the map
once to get around the subway during my fabulous week in NYC though I
got lost on the surface trying to find a station at the Bklyn end of
the Bklyn Bridge.
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Posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 10:12:50:
Wouldn't it be cool if Beavis & Butthead voices made announcements on
the subway rather than monotonous voices mumbling information. "This
train will skip 23rd Street, I am the Great Cornholio, I need t.p. for
my bunghole!"
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Posted by Martin on July 17, 1997 at 11:15:53:
Somewhere I heard that at some point subway cars had been bought from
East Germany for the NYC subway system. Is that true, does anybody
know about this?
Please mail me since I don't check the group too often!
Thanks, Martin.
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Posted by John M. on July 17, 1997 at 12:24:39:
In Reply to: [5]Beavis & Butthead announcements on subway posted by
Keranu on July 17, 1997 at 10:12:50:
Actually, I always thought that it would be funny if instead of the
round blue sign for the "A" train, they put a picture of Henry
Winkler's face as the Fonz. Or, if they taped a Fonzie poster to the
front of "A" train with a caption leading to the blue sign. You know,
the "AAAAyyyyyy" train.
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Posted by Brian From Chicago on July 17, 1997 at 12:30:16:
For all of you subway and transit buffs who ride the CTA as much as
you can when you come to Chicago, there is a new cool thing. For only
5 dollars you can buy an all day ridding pass good on all CTA elevated
and subway trains and all CTA Busses.
For more information on it go to HTTP://www.transitchicago.com and
vist the news section.
You don't have to stay in the system all day anymore, you can exit for
lunch and out of station photage!
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Posted by Frequent Subway Rider on July 17, 1997 at 12:59:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: missed connections posted by Steve on July 16,
1997 at 18:39:16:
As far as Mr. Steve's comment about a "conspiracy to hit customers
with doors or cause them to wait deliberately," this is pure nonsense.
No one said anything about a conspiracy. We're talking about complete
indifference--not conspiracy.
Secondly, in response to Mr. Steve's remark that the comments about
lack of service "are the usual rantings of two people who have no
understanding of anything they are talking about," I can only say that
my knowledge comes from observations from 20 years of frequent
ridership. I am the customer. I am the ultimate judge of the service I
receive.
I understand the concepts of scheduling and accountability very well.
Scheduling, accountability, efficiency, care for the way the customer
perceives the service he is receiving--all of these should be a given.
However, these concepts become a sham when they're used as an excuse
for ignoring the needs of the ridership (as in your example about
scheduling). Missing a connection is not something that happens on
rare occasions, as you imply. Once again, I state that I have seen
operators sitting in stations at major transfer points, with the doors
open (and no passengers trying to get on or off). I have seen these
same operators close the doors and take off when an approaching train
enters a station. I have seen this many, many times--not just on rare
occasions. Once again, no one is saying there is any sort of
conspiracy (that's a paranoid delusion). Nevertheless, it DOES
demonstrate a complete indifference to the needs of the ridership that
MTA personnel are supposed to serve.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 17, 1997 at 12:59:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Beavis & Butthead announcements on subway posted
by John M. on July 17, 1997 at 12:24:39:
I was on the E train one night when some kids apparently got into a
cab and proceeded to abuse the PA system with their B&B impression...
"heh heh heh this train has no breaks. hahhehmhahhem" :)
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 13:15:27:
In Reply to: [5]NEW CTA ALL DAY RIDDING PASS posted by Brian From
Chicago on July 17, 1997 at 12:30:16:
That sounds pretty good. Next time I'm in Chicago, maybe I'll give it
a try.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 13:16:56:
In Reply to: [5]NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by Martin on
July 17, 1997 at 11:15:53:
I never heard about that. Sounds pretty interesting though.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 13:27:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Bus Fleets posted by Keranu on July 17, 1997
at 08:33:55:
Isn't the the name of the bus company, or a logo, on the front of the
bus beneath the front window? That's the way it is here. Also, there
probably is the name of the company somewhere on the bus, even if its
in tiny print.
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Posted by D.J. on July 17, 1997 at 16:49:45:
Can anybody advise if the is a tunnel that connects Lower Manhattan to
Staten Island out of the Bowling Green Station? I do not have a E-
Mail address please post on board as info about the tunnel. thanks
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 17, 1997 at 18:46:11:
In Reply to: [5]tunnels posted by D.J. on July 17, 1997 at 16:49:45:
No tunnels, but a great ferry ride is right down the street!
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POSTER>Bingo
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Posted by Bingo on July 17, 1997 at 19:27:45:
In Reply to: [5]NEW CTA ALL DAY RIDDING PASS posted by Brian From
Chicago on July 17, 1997 at 12:30:16:
Toronto has the exact same thing except it costs $6.50 CDN (It used to
be five bucks!) On holidays and weekends, you can bring along your
spouse and kids free, if you have either/or. The only problem with it
is it doesn't work with the Metropass slide-thru express turnstile.
BTW, has the new building for McCormick place been constructed yet? It
has a connection with METRA, doesn't it?
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Posted by Ashley on July 17, 1997 at 19:39:49:
I recently visited New York City and we frequently travelled on the
Subway.
I am not sure if this has to do with the Subways but there was white
steam oozing out of Subway and Sewer vents on the surface of the
street. I also saw smokestacks in the middle of the road with steam
pouring out the top of them. I urge you to E-mail you answer in
telling me what this stuff is!
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POSTER>Bingo
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Posted by Bingo on July 17, 1997 at 19:46:56:
In Reply to: [5]How come more chicks don't post messages? posted by
John M. on July 14, 1997 at 16:47:33:
First of all, you should quit calling them chicks.
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POSTER>Brian from Chicago
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Posted by Brian from Chicago on July 17, 1997 at 20:19:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NEW CTA ALL DAY RIDDING PASS posted by Bingo on
July 17, 1997 at 19:27:45:
What is the Metro-pass slide through express turnstile? I thought that
metro pass was in New york City, not Toronto. Was it first started
there?
The new McCormick place South has been constructed and I don't think
that it connects with the Mera Electric Lines. Metra electric has
always been right next to McCormick Place and a short walk accross the
street.
All Metra Electric trains use those tracks, including the NICTD (
Northern Indiana Transportation Distric) trains to South bend Indiana.
They split farther south of there. To University park, Blue Island,
91st in Chicago and South Bend.
That station is the 23rd street station. The one next to McCormick
Place. The new building is the South Building. To find out more info
go to the metra rail site at http://www.metrarail.com
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Posted by Steve on July 17, 1997 at 22:09:59:
In Reply to: [5]NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by Martin on
July 17, 1997 at 11:15:53:
No NYCT car are German made - East or West. However Budd, the builder
of the R-32, M-1 and M-3 is now owned by a German firm. Also,
Westinghouse, part of the consortium that built the R-68s is now
Adtranz, also a german company.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on July 17, 1997 at 22:14:28:
In Reply to: [5]Steam out of Subway and Sewer Vents posted by Ashley
on July 17, 1997 at 19:39:49:
The E-Mail link you posted is incorrect so here is your answer.
Con Edison, our local electric company produces steam in huge amounts
as a byproduct of the production of electricity. They sell this steam
to many buildings in NYC which are heated by steam. the steam is
delivered via underground pipes. The steam you see is the result of
leaks in those pipes or becaise of pressure relief valves.
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POSTER>Eric
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Posted by Eric on July 17, 1997 at 22:48:59:
1. What are the major sanitation problems in the NYC subway system??
2. Are there enough garbage cans in the subway stations?
3. How many people actually use the garbage cans?? Do You use the
garbage cans?
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Posted by Zack on July 17, 1997 at 22:52:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by John on July 16, 1997
at 14:04:50:
put a child chord inbetween u and him :)
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Posted by Brian from Chicago on July 17, 1997 at 23:09:31:
I would like to know any problems with the CTA Train system that you
experienced.
I'm going to write them a letter telling them I took a survery over
the internet. They usually respond with a good answer!
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POSTER>Jason R. DeCesare
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Posted by Jason R. DeCesare on July 17, 1997 at 23:46:34:
In Reply to: [6]NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by Martin on
July 17, 1997 at 11:15:53:
You may be thinking of the TA's two track geometry cars, which are
made in Austria if I am not mistaking. A photo of TCG-1 can be found
at [7]http://www.nycsubway.org/coney/tcg1.jpg.
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 23:53:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: tunnels posted by Gary Jacobi on July 17, 1997 at
18:46:11:
Speaking of the Ferry, you ever been on the large passenger boat? Not
the small one, or the vehicle boats, but the huge passenger ones? I
rode on the large one for the first time last week. Hard to beleive,
but of the hundreds of times I took the Staten Island Ferry, I have
never been on that one before. It's pretty cool, the side windows are
huge and they fold all the way down to convert it into a sort of open
deck. The seating arrangement is different than on the other kinds
(instead of straight accross, it's kind of "curved", and they have
colorful seats (green/blue/yellow), rather than the wooden seats on
the vehicle boat. It also has a snack bar with eating stands.
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 23:56:03:
In Reply to: [5]What is Metro pass/ McCormick Place WAS: NEW CTA ALL
DAY RIDDING PASS posted by Brian from Chicago on July 17, 1997 at
20:19:04:
New York has the MetroCard, not MetroPass.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 17, 1997 at 23:59:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: missed connections posted by Zack on July 17, 1997
at 22:52:13:
It feels like I do already!!!!
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POSTER>aaron
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Posted by aaron on July 18, 1997 at 08:32:43:
In Reply to: [6]Problems with the CTA posted by Brian from Chicago on
July 17, 1997 at 23:09:31:
I posted a problem I had with the new fare card about one week ago. If
you don't see it, I will relate it again.
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Posted by aaron on July 18, 1997 at 08:36:48:
In Reply to: [6]tunnels posted by D.J. on July 17, 1997 at 16:49:45:
No, the tunnel you see leading out of the Bowling Green station
connects
to the loop at South Ferry on the 1/9 lines. There used to be a
shuttle
that plied that route, but it was eliminated in the 70s. #5 trains
that
terminate at Bowling Green use this tunnel to loop South Ferry and
return
to Bronx.
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Posted by Joe Camel on July 18, 1997 at 11:59:31:
In Reply to: [6]tunnels posted by D.J. on July 17, 1997 at 16:49:45:
Sign up at [7]http://www.hotmail.com for FREE web-browser email.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on July 18, 1997 at 12:21:30:
In Reply to: [6]NYC subway cars from East Germany? posted by Martin on
July 17, 1997 at 11:15:53:
Heck - we could send THEM our redbirds when they're replaced and some
people might wonder where the brand new rolling stock came from. I
understand that some of the current rolling stock in East Germany is
quite
old.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Regional Express plan ( Rx )
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on July 18, 1997 at 12:38:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Regional Express plan ( Rx ) posted by David
Pirmann on July 16, 1997 at 12:53:15:
Dave .... very good points.
Something else that I think was completely omitted from the Regional
Express Plan is that the Manhattan Bridge is going to be a pain in the
girders for years to come. In fact, I think it will be the number one
infrastructure problem that NYC Transit (and the Dept of
Transportation)
will have to face in the next 20 years. The length of time it is
taking
to repair the bridge seems to indicate, to me at least, that the
structural integrity of the bridge is far worse off than anyone seems
willing to admit. I think an alternative to the bridge will need to be
constructed, whether that's a new span or an underground crossing ot
two.
What I think you'll see happen in 10 years is the banning of
commercial
traffic from the Manhattan Bridge, and that isn't going to sit well
with
commuters because where would the trucks go? The Battery Tunnel or the
Williamsburgh Bridge.
(Yep - I made the Rutgers St tunnel connection suggestion in my "in
the
year 2020" post).
--Mark
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Posted by Lou on July 18, 1997 at 13:27:28:
The year: 2025 The place: The new New York Transit exhibit at the old
Grand Central Terminal. What current subway equipment to you want to
be able to see there??Lets hear some suggestions out there!!!! (By the
way, just putting it at Grand Central to wake you up!)
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on July 18, 1997 at 14:25:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Steam out of Subway and Sewer Vents posted by
Steve on July 17, 1997 at 22:14:28:
All in all that was a very good question that many people ask but few
know the real answer to! Boston Edison also sells steam up here, but
instead of using byproduct from electricty generation, they actually
have two boiler plants dedicated to domestic steam! One visible from
the Expressway near South Station, the other near North Station (may
not still be operating).
Gerry
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POSTER>William A. Padron
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Posted by William A. Padron on July 18, 1997 at 14:26:32:
In Reply to: [6]What Would You Save? posted by Lou on July 18, 1997 at
13:27:28:
Well, first of all, I would personally love to see the "museum" R-10
car #3184 have a spot in the *current* Transit Museum in Brooklyn.
Right now,
that unit is sitting outside in storage doing absolutely nothing,
where it is exposed constantly to all the elements (i.e. rain, snow,
sun, and other weather-related items). It might be wishful thinking on
my own part to see also the other R-10 car #3189 restored back to its
former glory. Upon my last visit to Pitkin Yard, that unit was still
sitting on the south end stub of Track 8, along side with the only
R-27 car [#8145] still in existance on adjoining Track 9. However,
R-16 car #6387 is now at the Transit Museum coupled between R-11 car
#8013 and R-30 car #8506. For all the Lo-V fans (and there are many),
cars #5443 and #5483 is residing there too as well. By the way...where
did that model scale R-10 car that was on display at the Museum's
train platform level went??? The large model was repainted in the
vintage-1965 aqua blue/white with stripe scheme, but I do not have a
clue as to where it disappeared to.
Sincerely,
William A. Padron
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 18, 1997 at 14:32:33:
In Reply to: [6]What Would You Save? posted by Lou on July 18, 1997 at
13:27:28:
Two of everything!
It's too bad they didn't do that up to now. E.g. two R-11's. It would
have been nice to have two car sets of all the types, fully
functional.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 18, 1997 at 15:42:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What Would You Save? posted by William A. Padron
on July 18, 1997 at 14:26:32:
A World's Fair R-33 or R-36 pair.
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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Posted by steve lowenthal on July 18, 1997 at 16:19:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH TRACK MAPS 1997 NEW JERSEY posted by John on
July 16, 1997 at 13:53:42:
as of thursday,,,,no extensions planned per path engineering personnel
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Posted by subway-buff on July 18, 1997 at 19:10:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Regional Express plan ( Rx ) posted by David
Pirmann on July 16, 1997 at 12:53:15:
In regards to connecting the BMT "bridge" with the "F" ast the Rutgers
Tunnel:
I went on the recent "By Subway to Brighton"Tour with the Transit
Musuem. I asked Joe the Expert about such a connection at/near DeKalb
and he told me that it would be better at the Southwest end of
Prospect Park.
I too feel that at some point the Manhattan and WIlliamsburg Bridge
tracks will have to go- we can't lose 1000 people, and that's just one
train!. Many times I have seen 3-4 trains (including "mine" on the
bridge.
I look for the J to end at Marcy with a free ferry to Essex, the M to
be in two pieces- shuttle from Metropolitan to Marcy and Essex to
Broad (Non-Rush), Bay Pkwy(Rush) and Chambers (Nites/weekend).
Regarding NJ: I dont think anything will happen due to the Govts
feudinmg over the other side getting more benefits so the rails
suffer. As to New York Penn- NJT is planning an additional concourse,
creating a "station within a station" including a dedicated NJT
waiting area with Ticket offices and more exits. NJT is also
negotiating for a new exit to 7th ave and 31st.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on July 18, 1997 at 20:36:53:
In Reply to: [6]What Would You Save? posted by Lou on July 18, 1997 at
13:27:28:
-- A 10 car train of redbirds, 2 of each type.
-- The R-1/9s in the museum fleet sitting in Coney Island
-- The current 4 restored Lo-Vs and trailer 4902
-- A pair of Budd R-32s, in my opinion the best equipment the TA ever
had.
-- A loop track where these things can RUN
-- Old station signs from various places.
-- An LIRR M-1 married pair (some have already been scrapped!)
-- R42s 4764 and 4765, the married pair that took a trip to DOT's test
site in Pueblo, CO
-- Any wrecked R-type from accidents that occurred from 1990 on with a
description of the accident, and what was learned from it so it
doesn't
happen again.
-- Train operator cab simulator with various lines to operate on.
-- A train of 2 cars where you could operate the doors and announce
stations.
-- An exhibit on the evolution of track rabbits (Ok - maybe this is
getting a bit off track ....)
--Mark
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Posted by Wesley on July 18, 1997 at 22:26:19:
In Reply to: [5]Steinway Street Station posted by Adam on July 16,
1997 at 21:46:02:
Rumor is that a new tunnel is being dug into Sunnyside yard. TA is
supposedly building a new yard there.
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Posted by Wesley on July 18, 1997 at 22:27:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Questions! posted by WW on July 17, 1997 at
09:12:32:
Don't allow people to eat Buritos on the system
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Posted by Steve on July 18, 1997 at 22:45:25:
Freon 12 is indeed a refrigerant which is used primarily in autos and
some old appliances. Freon 22 is used in home AC, refrigerators and
NYCT cars.
I have never heard of Freon 11 but there are some other more exotic
refrigerants around, usually from Europe.
While freon 134 may very well be the new standard, it is meeting with
some considerable resistance in NYCT circles for some important
reasons. First, if has a higher boiling point than freon 22 and
therefore needs higher pressures to work. Second, freon 22 will not be
outlawed by the EPA (unlike freon 12) for quite some time. Final
reason is the cost. While Capella oil, (which is mixed with freon 22)
is reletively inexpensive. the oil mixed with freon 134 runs about
$100.00 per gallon. Not very appealing when thousands of gallons of
capella oil are used annually.
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Posted by Steve on July 18, 1997 at 23:01:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by Frequent Subway Rider
on July 17, 1997 at 12:59:03:
Taking your comments personally, let me say this: So all you know
about running a subway system comes from many years of being a
frequent rider. Would that qualify a person with a chronic illness to
be a doctor or a frequent flier to be a pilot. Of course not and you
have not the slightest idea of what you speak about. I'd love to sit
you in a moderately busy tower like Columbus Circle on a Friday
morning and watch you try to make every connection. By the time you
made your second connection, your railroad would be backed up 2 -3
stations. Within your first hour, you'd have a railroad running 15 -
20 minutes late. By the time the AM rush was over, you'd have terminal
congestion at both 205th Street and 207th street forcing the
dispatchers there to lay up too few trains. Many bad order trains
would remain in service as would dirty ones. If the late railroad
doesn't move you, what about the late crews. Finishing crews would be
forced to make anadditional trip because the scheduled crew was stuck
in a delay somewhere down the line. Each crew on overtime would earn a
minimum of 4 hours of overtime. That's about $400.00 for each crew,
each trip. What about the wasted money for the late crews who will
then sit idle because their train has already left with an OT crew.
Finally, while you hold a train to make a connection for 50 - 100
customers, what about the other 2,000 or 2,500 people on that train
who you are needlessly delaying. What about the connections they'll
miss furthe down the line.
Do me a favor, if you think being a customer qualifies you to run the
operation, try making fries at Mickey Ds.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 18, 1997 at 23:11:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What Would You Save? posted by David Pirmann on
July 18, 1997 at 14:32:33:
Rather that cursing the darkness, why not try to light a candle; start
a movement to store two of each, or whatever you can get, inside an
unused tunnel like some in the Chrystie St complex.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 18, 1997 at 23:17:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Questions! posted by Wesley on July 18, 1997 at
22:27:24:
Don't you mean BEFORE riding the subway?
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Posted by Wesley on July 19, 1997 at 13:40:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Questions! posted by Gary Jacobi on July 18, 1997
at 23:17:05:
absolutely - my mistake
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Posted by Steve on July 19, 1997 at 13:53:25:
In Reply to: [6]How come more chicks don't post messages? posted by
John M. on July 14, 1997 at 16:47:33:
Two corrections to your posting if I may.
First, referreing to females as chicks is in itself sexist. Perhaps
more women would post messages if they did not sense that sub-surface
hostility to them.
Second, The MTA is not conciously sexist and nor is the NYCT. Many
senior managers and analysts are female as are some of the personnel
in operations planning. In operations, there are females in virtually
every operating title with the exception of Road Car Inspector (no
idea why). There are hundreds of females who operate trains each and
every day. I suggest that it is society at large which is sexist for
their attitude which like yours (and I'm not criticizing) views women
in the field and women interested in the industry as somewhat less
femenine.
The real question is why it should matter what the sex is of the
person who is posting a thought or provocative question. Perhaps you
are trying to combine too many of your personal interests in one site.
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Posted by Brian From Chicago on July 19, 1997 at 16:10:43:
On a recent trip to Paris France we rode the Metro their subway system
everywhere to get arund
and were surpirsed to find out that there was no Airconditioning.
Otherwise the service was great! During rush hour when just about
every train is crowded wall to wall
and their was a window open, it sucked.
Anyway, my question was, are their any other Rapid Transit/Subway
systems that are not airconditioned?
I know some of the trains here in Chicago aren't, but only a few, not
all of them!!
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Posted by Wesley on July 19, 1997 at 21:14:52:
With two very similar incidents coming just two weeks apart, is the TA
exploring the possibility of employee sabotage? What about the
recently ousted and disgruntled 'New Directions' faction of the TWU?
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SUBJECT>In responce to aarons problem ( WAS Re: Problems with the CTA)
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Posted by Brian from Chicago on July 19, 1997 at 22:42:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Problems with the CTA posted by aaron on July 18,
1997 at 08:32:43:
Yes Nate, I did see your problem and the fare collection equipment was
right, you were wrong.
I just read in the CTA's web site in the fares section under Transit
Cards the following:
A full fare will be deducted if the same Transit Card is used in the
same Bus fare box,
or at the same rail station during the pass back period! What they are
saying is that two
people can't use the same Transit Card to transfer at the same time.
Two people can use it for the 1.50 fare, ( up to seven people acually)
but their is a waiting period before a transfer or second transfer is
deducted from the card.
It makes sense because The first person used the card to pay their
fare, then the second person would be .30 cents and the third free.
That means that 7 people could use the card and only 3 people would
get charged the full fare 1.50.
Sorry for the delay responding, Please respond if this makes sense or
doesn't and if you get this,
It was posted Saturday July 19, about 10:30 east cost time.
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SUBJECT>City with best mass Transit
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Posted by Brian on July 19, 1997 at 22:53:36:
What is the coolest city in your opion for most and coolest kinds of
Mass Transit?
My favorite is San Francisco California. They have the old fashioned
Subway and street running Street cars. And Street running Cable Cars.
Then they also have BART which is a new Rapid Transit System which has
Subway and elevted portions.
they encourage ridership and Muni Bus and Street Car fare is only 1.00
for adults and .35 cents for kids up to 17.
They are unlike Chicago and NYC, thye try to make you use public
Transit.
I really can't put a bad name on the CTA here in Chicago. They have
been inproving their rail system for the last few years
and have done some great things. Including the new fare Card, washing
out the subways and renovating the 100 year old green line.
Even if you are surrounded by people who look suspisous, crime on the
CTA is very very and goes down every year.
Sf is my favortie Mass transit City, what's yours??
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 19, 1997 at 23:45:10:
In Reply to: [6]City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on July
19, 1997 at 22:53:36:
Just out of curiosity, just how many transit systems have you been on?
I'm just trying to figure out just how qualified you are that you can
make such a judgement call---no offense intended---just wondering what
systems your comparing Chicago or NY to.
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Posted by Joe-M on July 19, 1997 at 23:48:47:
In Reply to: [5]City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on July
19, 1997 at 22:53:36:
Chicago is fun. Nice historic system, Ny the power of the cars is
awsum.
DC is nice a works well but the cars are not as clean inside as some
SF wins for variety but
Boston is the easist to get around on if you can find a surface system
map.
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Posted by Steve on July 20, 1997 at 02:32:19:
In Reply to: [6]City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on July
19, 1997 at 22:53:36:
I guess my favorite would be London. I have not bee there is many
years but I found the undergound mezmorizing and the busses charming
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POSTER>Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on July 20, 1997 at 07:49:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by Steve on July 18,
1997 at 23:01:05:
Gut gezokt! Well said Steve!
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Posted by AILIN on July 20, 1997 at 09:19:50:
In Reply to: [6]Paris Metro not Airconditioned posted by Brian From
Chicago on July 19, 1997 at 16:10:43:
Woooo! Boy its hot in the LONDON UNDERGROUND. I dont think Europeans
believe in A/C. They think that if the train moves fast enough and the
windows are open at least some for of stank air will filter thru. Or
mabbie they are just tryin to save some money. Thank GOD fer A/C in on
NYC subways.
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Posted by AILIN on July 20, 1997 at 09:22:00:
In Reply to: [6]Sanitation on the subways posted by Eric on July 17,
1997 at 22:48:59:
What sanitation? The subways are gross. Everyday on my commute I have
to see rats the size of cats roamin down on the tracks. YUCK! Enough
said.
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Posted by Steve on July 20, 1997 at 09:31:45:
In Reply to: [6]Paris Metro not Airconditioned posted by Brian From
Chicago on July 19, 1997 at 16:10:43:
Friday AM, I rode the 'money train' (not the movie version) uptown,
while the temp. was already a humid 85 degrees. With the fans on high
and the storm door window open, it actually felt better than AC.
However, I also ride the LIRR and they will run passenger trains with
cars having no AC. Without being able to open the windows, it is a
brutal experience. I can not conceive of any major transit property in
either temperate zone, not having AC in their cars. In this day and
age, there is no excuse.
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Posted by Steve on July 20, 1997 at 09:38:34:
In Reply to: [5]Sanitation on the subways posted by Eric on July 17,
1997 at 22:48:59:
The major problem with sanitation on the subways is people. People
treat most public facilities like huge garbage recepticals. There is
no way that mentallity can be combatted except through re-education.
There are an adequate number of garbage cans in place but judging by
the litter that I see every morning, people would rather use the train
floor.
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on July 20, 1997 at 12:53:31:
I need some maps of the trolley network in Downtown Brooklyn around
the turn of the century. I want to create a Bahn layout based on the
trolley network ( including the Brooklyn Bridge line to Manhattan ). I
would appreciate any information on where I can obtain these maps.
I want to include Brooklyn Heights , Cobble Hills , Williamsburg ,
Greenpoint , Park Slope , Fulton St. / Boro Hall area , City Hall /
Manhattan , Red Hook , etc.
Thanks.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 20, 1997 at 13:11:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Bus Fleets posted by John on July 17, 1997 at
13:27:24:
Here in Baltimore the local MTA has had quite a few shrink-wrapped
buses running. One was for IKEA, and was quite stunning! It was
strange to see an all-yellow bus with no MTA markings except the fleet
number. Several of the all-over shrink-wraps have NO exterior markings
except one small fleet number over the driver's window. Must be fun
finding the bus in the yard when it's parked in a mass of other buses.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 20, 1997 at 13:25:07:
In Reply to: [6]Brooklyn Trolley maps posted by Ted Nielsen on July
20, 1997 at 12:53:31:
There's a book "Brooklyn Trolleys" by James Greller that should be
useful. If i remember there's a foldout map at the back but I don't
remember if it was tracks or routes...
--Dave
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Posted by David L. on July 20, 1997 at 16:17:53:
Someone please tell me what happened! I was out of town since July 1
and got back today. Someone please give me the details of the two
train derailments. Thank you :-)
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POSTER>Bryan From Peoria
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Posted by Bryan From Peoria on July 20, 1997 at 18:24:59:
In Reply to: [6]Problems with the CTA posted by Brian from Chicago on
July 17, 1997 at 23:09:31:
Sorry I would have ansered this a long time ago but I just got back
from my family vacation(which was awsome..rode PATH,NY subway,Boston T
subway,NJ transit buses..the whole sha-bang).....
Anyway...
1)Rude,Unprofesional,and Impatient CTA personel and employees(the
system would be much more attractive if the ticket agents,station
attendees didnt act so mean all the time and could wear a smile on
there face once and a while...but i do admit...conducters are usually
very nice and helpfull.
2)unatractive stations...The CTA should be stronger on there
anti-graffiti programs and clean ups...and old run down stations
should be spruced up extensivly..or replaced(with a beuatiful,classic
architecture station..great example:the new station at State/Van Buran
in the loop.
3)This may sound weird,but the CTA's newer paint sheme(adopted I
believe in '91?)is ugly..and I cared much for the old creme,lime,and
green livery before it(personal opinion,but I very much doubt the CTA
has the money to do that at this time)
4)User unfriendly(i think you can figure that out on your own)
5)Here's a nother wierd one...what ever happened to CTA's neat little
"15 minutes to Loop" signs...maybe something better and more
attractive(the Spike Lee movie:"Malcom X"..the signs(neon) on the el
structure(M line in NYC)...those!That would add flavor its just
cool.It could say something like "Ride CTA Rapid Transit...Ravenswood
Brown Line,just 15 minutes to Loop"..in slanty letters in neon on the
el structure(cany you just see it)...The Cta is a hard,bare bones
system and needs things like nicer,clener attractive ,safe feeling
stations and extra things to win back riders.
OH ya...avoid Michigan Avenue bridge(construction on viaduct) I was
there for about 20 minutes!
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SUBJECT>Re: City with best mass Transit
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Posted by Leroy S. on July 20, 1997 at 20:30:18:
In Reply to: [6]City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on July
19, 1997 at 22:53:36:
Barcelona has the best mass transit system, hands down.
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Posted by Brian on July 20, 1997 at 20:44:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Mark
Greenwald on July 19, 1997 at 23:45:10:
I have been on Chicago, New york City, Paris France, San Francisco,
Washington DC
Not to many other systems out of the US
SF has so many busses and the fares are so cheap, it is easy to ride
and
there are busses every where. I believe that they have more then
Chicago, but we are
second for rail.
I do believe Chicago would come in Second, because we do have some
brand new Rappid Transit
and commuter train lines.
I just don't think that a whole trip to another country is worht it to
ride
the transit system. It is if theres other stuff to do like paris.
Japan would be cool with the bullet trains,
Question:
Whats the fastest train in the world, is it in France or Japan?
i know France's TGV is the fastest in europe
And is NYC the biggest subway/Rapid Transit System worlwide???
Please respond!
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Posted by Brian ( Originally posted posted shabang on July 20, 1997
In Reply to: [6]Re: Problems with the CTA posted by Bryan From Peoria
on July 20, 1997 at 18:24:59:
Bryan,
First of all you have to realize that the CTA is in a financial
crisiss. They just had to cut out about 5 bus routes and are thinking
of cancelling overnight rail service,
except BLue Line Forest Park to Ohare and Red Line.
they just renovated the whole green line and are still working on the
Lake street stations to make
them handicapped accessible and finish them.
They can't advertise 15 minutes to loop becasue someone would take it
literally and sue them for false advertising.
They have been powerwashing the subways and have a program to catch
graffitti artisits.
They also just are getting rid of conductors on all of the trains
lines which will save them over 13 million dollars a year.
They have done alot in financial crisis and will do alot more when
they get back to zero or acually make some money.
They problem was their old president, David Mosena acually cares and
is doing stuuf.
The other guy got fired for illegally using funds.
They have been advertising the fare card alot here in Chicago.
In the future they do need to renovate the Douglas branch of the Blue
Line and the stations on the Forest Park bracnh
to make them accessible.
They also have a number for complaints and they seem to listen
1-888-Your-CTA
They caught station agents stealling.
Please respond to see if you agree with this and tell me if you think
any other parts of the system need repair.
And specify what you would like in the letter
Thanks
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Posted by Michael Dingledine on July 21, 1997 at 00:21:33:
Looking for any information on two family members (my father and
grandfather) who worked for the H&M Railroad many years ago. I've
already written to the Railroad retirement Board but have not heard
from them yet.
Any information would be appreciated.
Name Years of service Position Held
John Dingledine ~1910 -1940 Motorman
Robert Dingledine ~1930's - 1970 Conductor
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 21, 1997 at 10:06:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Mark
Greenwald on July 19, 1997 at 23:45:10:
I enjoyed Atlanta's MARTA. While it's very small the trains are very
clean and the free bus/subway transfer is made easier since the bus
platforms are a few steps from the train. I riden systems in Atlanta,
Boston, Washington DC, Philadelphia and of course my native New York.
I do think the the NYCT has come a long way and our bus fleet can
rival any other city's fleet.
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Posted by John M. on July 21, 1997 at 10:14:32:
In Reply to: [5]City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on July
19, 1997 at 22:53:36:
Amsterdam has a surface trolley system that ran frequently and seemed
to work well on the whole. Also, cars were pretty restricted, and they
had an amazing network of well-designed and integrated bicycle lanes.
Many people there get around on old Schwinns. It was also very easy to
get to Centraal Station by train from the airport--the train stopped
right under the airport, in fact.
In the U.S., my favorite thus far has been Boston.
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Posted by John M. on July 21, 1997 at 10:19:42:
Currently, are there any working eateries in subway stations? I
remember a hamburger stand/lunch counter in the Jay Street/Boro Hall
(A&F lines) as recently as the late 1980's. Where would other eateries
have been in the past? Times Square, other big stations??
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 21, 1997 at 10:23:20:
In Reply to: [6]Brooklyn Trolley maps posted by Ted Nielsen on July
20, 1997 at 12:53:31:
One other thing, not quite what you were looking for though... Sanford
Gardner sent me a Brooklyn trackless trolley map and some information
circa 1965 which I've put up on the site at
[7]http://www.nycsubway.org/histmaps/trolcoach.html.
--Dave
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Posted by Lou on July 21, 1997 at 10:57:28:
For all those that don't have it on tape yet (yes, both of you!), Nick
at Nite is re-running "Lucy and the Loving Cup" tonight at 8:30
Eastern time. For those who don't know this is the show where Lucy
gets lost on the Lex Ave line with a loving cup on her head. (don't
ask)
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Posted by Lou on July 21, 1997 at 10:59:37:
In Reply to: [5]Subway Eateries posted by John M. on July 21, 1997 at
10:19:42:
I suppose this is other than than the bar at 50th St. on the 1.
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Posted by Lou (again!) on July 21, 1997 at 11:06:46:
What is the most outdated sign on the System??? The worst one I know
of is the one at 103 St.-Corona which boasts of the connection to the
Second Ave. El!!! That one has to be at least 60 years old!! This, of
course, if it still exists! I know the Daily News did an article(?)
about a couple of years ago...
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Posted by Dan Casey on July 21, 1997 at 11:21:00:
In Reply to: [6]Regional Express plan ( Rx ) posted by Ted Nielsen on
July 15, 1997 at 20:21:34:
I don't know if Pataki's Rx plan differs significantly from the
Regional Plan Association's, but their plan (at
http://maestro.com/~rpa/rxintro.html) leaves a whole lot to be
desired.
First of all, Rx is there to increase land values in Lower Manhattan.
Digging new tunnels so that arbitrageurs from L.I. and Jersey can get
to work without having to transfer to a subway is *not a good use of
transit dollars.* They propose $20 billion, spent over 20 years, for
this thing, yet it "should not starve the existing system." Sure. How
does the city come up with its share? "RPA has proposed that the City
of New York lease its four East River Bridges to a private operating
firm, in exchange for the design, construction, and maintenance of
parallel transit routes." A DBOM contract secured by leasing the
Brooklyn Bridge.
What valuable subway infrastructure would be eaten up? The loss of the
Broadway BMT express tracks was already mentioned in an earlier post.
And get this one: a Second Avenue subway (oops, I meant commuter train
from Nassau County) "extended north to Co-op City, replacing obsolete
elevated sections of the White Plains Road subway line with a
joint-service tunnel under Boston Post Road and on the surface
replacing the existing Dyre Avenue IRT subway line."
Some of the Rx plans are good. But the whole system as thought up by
the RPA is a classic example of Manhattan-centric silliness, inventing
a problem (such as the lack of "a one-seat ride from Port Washington
to the UN") and putting forth an outlandish solution for it at the
same time. It's transit money better spent elsewhere.
-Dan Casey
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Posted by Lou on July 21, 1997 at 11:30:10:
In Reply to: [5]Subway Eateries posted by John M. on July 21, 1997 at
10:19:42:
Do you count the bar at the 50th St. station on the 1??
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Posted by Bryan Layne on July 21, 1997 at 12:24:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Problems with the CTA posted by Brian ( Originally
posted posted shabang on July 20, 1997 at 20:58:14:
Everything you said ,I already know...what I posted was my
opinion,thats what you asked for and I'm not changing it..The CTA is
in serious financial crapp(last I heard some 60million in the
red).But,That still does not excuse the CTA's day to day operations,if
they would improve there image,they would win back riders or gain
riders who would have normally driven.(and im not talking about the
Green line renovation,thats fine and dandy,but there have not been
that great of ridership jumps on that line since it reopened...you
have to relize that the some of the neighborhoods the trains and buses
run through are not in the best condition,and many are unemployed(i
applaid Daley's Bronzeville "take-it back" renovation projects)and
simply dont ride public transportation because they dont go
anywhere,many just sit around and drink 40's all day long.Anyway,these
are my opinions and I believe the CTA needs to take action and run it
like a first class transit system not anything less.
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Posted by Brian on July 21, 1997 at 12:29:55:
Are there any subway systems that travel above 35 to 40 miles per
hour.
In Paris the express Metro/RER travels in the subway downtown, but
doesn't have many stops.
I know that they are testing a 80 miles per hour Rapid Transit Train
in Some State
out west that has nothing in it.
Are any cities going to get this new technology when it comes out?
I know alot more people who are driving on a expressway that has a
"EL" traveling in the median strip
that passes up the cars sitting in ruhs hour traffic at 80 MPH would
attract alot more ridders to it.
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Posted by Bryan LLLLLLLLayne on July 21, 1997 at 12:30:29:
In Reply to: [5]NEW CTA ALL DAY RIDDING PASS posted by Brian From
Chicago on July 17, 1997 at 12:30:16:
Ya I saw that at MSI,thats cool,now its like you dont have to put a
bunch of money on the transit card...you can just use this and your
set.
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POSTER>Kevin Keith
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Posted by Kevin Keith on July 21, 1997 at 14:10:26:
In Reply to: [6]Sanitation on the subways posted by Eric on July 17,
1997 at 22:48:59:
I take the NYC subway everyday (N & R trains). I have to admit the
trains have become much cleaner. We CAN do better. One way is by
confronting people who litter (tactfully!). People need to learn to be
socially responsible and think of others before dropping their candy
wrappers and coke bottles.
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Posted by james on July 21, 1997 at 14:26:35:
In Reply to: [5]Sanitation on the subways posted by Eric on July 17,
1997 at 22:48:59:
Are you on LSD to ask this question? Do you work for the TA?
Multi-drug resistant tuberculosis. That is the sanitation problem.
Cannot be cured. Spread by dust. Will remain dangerous for several
years. Every employee in the LA Medical Examiners Office tested
positive and the whole building is contaminated. The fact this disease
is common in the HIV infected makes it a political red herring and the
NYC Dept of Health, staffed by politically correct morons, will not
advertise the danger. Go and do a search on MEDLINE. This is a
nightmare on Elm street and it's here. It causes many severe problems
besides difficulty in breathing.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on July 21, 1997 at 15:25:01:
In Reply to: [6]Outdated Signs posted by Lou (again!) on July 21, 1997
at 11:06:46:
I can recall a sign prohibiting entry on the tracks - I think it's at
Grand Central - that bears the name of the Interboro Rapid Transit Co.
As a corporate entity, the IRT hasn't existed since 1940. Unlike the
one at 103rd, of course, the information on this sign (other than the
entity name) is still accurate.
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Posted by shorty thomas on July 21, 1997 at 15:27:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by Zack on July 17, 1997
at 22:52:13:
why do they do that? why do they see the oncoming train, proceed to
appear as tho they are waiting for this train, and then as soon as the
doors open up, they close their doors swiftly and pull out the
station. I believe they want to keep the public aggravated.
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Posted by David L. on July 21, 1997 at 17:00:13:
In Reply to: [5]Sanitation on the subways posted by Eric on July 17,
1997 at 22:48:59:
Why doesn't the TA put a waste basket in each car?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 21, 1997 at 17:35:32:
In Reply to: [5]Subway Eateries posted by John M. on July 21, 1997 at
10:19:42:
I remember a Nedick's at Main St.-Flushing. I also remember 2 terrific
soft pretzel stands, 1 at the mezzanine while changing from #7 to the
IND at 74th St., and the other at 34-6Av. There was also some kind of
eatery opposite the Times Sq Shuttle station and another just down the
steps from there going towards the BMT, opposite a record shop.
Outside your area of interest, maybe, but I also remember
pillar-mounted gum and cigarette machines on #7 elevated stations,
specifically Willets Pt.-Shea Stadium. Bon Appetit!!!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 21, 1997 at 17:39:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What Would You Save? posted by Gary Jacobi on July
18, 1997 at 23:11:35:
I remember reading a story somewhere that someone, it might have been
Don Harold, had a heck of a time trying to save a specific set of cars
from the scrapper's torch. He was able to stay one step ahead of his
nemesis until building some support and then revealing his chicanery.
Anyone out there able to fill in some blanks on this one???
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POSTER>Dan Schwartz
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on July 21, 1997 at 17:40:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by shorty thomas on July
21, 1997 at 15:27:14:
I don't think it is frequent for trains that have waited in a station
beyond the time required to load and unload passengers to then leave
when
another train enters the station. Generally, conductors are supposed
to
close the doors when loading/unloading is complete, and the train then
moves on. The exception is if the train is held in the station by
"supervision". Many stations used to have orange "holding lights" that
were used to signal the conductor to hold doors open and wait for a
connection. Have these been taken down?
At any rate, they ought to build allowance for making connections into
the
schedule. With the computers available today, it should be possible to
construct schedules that predict which trains will meet at which
stations,
even with the tight headways used on the subways. If something delays
one
of the trains, then yes, scheduled connections would be missed, but
they
would surely be made more often than not.
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Posted by subway-buff on July 21, 1997 at 17:43:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What Would You Save? posted by Charles Fiori on
July 21, 1997 at 17:39:11:
According to the Book, Uptown,Downtown he had a passion for the Lo-V
trains. The book says he moved them from the brass and when a work car
was needed a Lo-V would show up!
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Posted by Brian W on July 21, 1997 at 18:06:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on
July 20, 1997 at 20:44:37:
I believe that the fastest train in the world is still the TGV in
France. Japan's "bullet trains" were the fastest in the 50s and 60s
until the TGV arrived sometime in the 70s.
I also believe that recently Japan has introduced new trains. They
still don't beat the speed of the TGV, however.
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Posted by Zack Willhoite on July 21, 1997 at 18:38:06:
Did Tacoma Washington ever have an trolley bus system.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on July 21, 1997 at 19:10:12:
I was recently in New York City(thats why i havent posted for so
long)on a family vacation and as we were driving through CO-OP City in
the Bronx,I looked down and saw New York Bus Service's Yard and
garage.I saw about 150 0r so MCI Classics and old GM Fishbowls..anyway
just wanted to know if they still operate the GMC fishbowls and what
is the current bus roster...
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Posted by Bryan Layne on July 21, 1997 at 19:13:36:
I heard that PATH had a fire in Journal Square Station....but when i
got there there was no evidence that there was ever a fire...so was
there a fire a week ago or not?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on July 21, 1997 at 19:20:27:
the new entrance to the Times Square-42nd Street Station thats built
into the building on the corner of 42nd and 7th....the very neat
SUBWAY sign on the top...does that light up and do any chaser light
kinda things...i didn't get to see it at pitch-black night when i was
there...do they just turn it on later?
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Posted by Me, Myself and I on July 21, 1997 at 20:21:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brooklyn Trolley maps posted by David Pirmann on
July 21, 1997 at 10:23:20:
There's just one problem, you wrote gas busses, shouldn't it be Diesel
busses?
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Posted by Me, Myself and I on July 21, 1997 at 20:24:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Brooklyn Trolley maps posted by David Pirmann on
July 21, 1997 at 10:23:20:
There's just one problem, you wrote gas busses, shouldn't it be Diesel
busses?
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Posted by Steve on July 21, 1997 at 20:30:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by Dan Schwartz on July
21, 1997 at 17:40:54:
The holding lights are still in place at virtually all connection
points and at some adjacent 'gap' stations. You are correct in that
the decission of whether or not to make a connection is not that of
the conductor. The 'simple' act of holding a train for a connection,
or not holding the train, is not made on the based on a desire to
aggrivate the customers. It is made by the Train Dispatcher or
Assistant train Dispatcher. That decission is based on the time of
day, the condition of the railroad in front of the train and the
railroad behind the train.
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Posted by John on July 21, 1997 at 20:47:20:
In Reply to: [5]High speed Subways posted by Brian on July 21, 1997 at
12:29:55:
In New York, some express trains travel pretty fast, but it's not an
"official" high-speed subway. The Long Island Rail Road and
Metro-North, although are not subway lines, do serve a few local areas
and is sometimes used by some people as an alternate to the subway in
Queens, Brooklyn (LIRR) and the Bronx (MNR), and these trains are
faster and more comfortable than the subway, and also more expensive.
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Posted by John on July 21, 1997 at 20:50:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Outdated Signs posted by Peter Rosa on July 21,
1997 at 15:25:01:
At the World Trade Center, as of a couple years ago, the signs that
directed you to the subway entrances still had the old green 'RR'
sign. An entrance to the Fulton Street station also had the old 'CC'
sign.
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Posted by John on July 21, 1997 at 20:58:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Eateries posted by Lou on July 21, 1997 at
10:59:37:
There is a Sbarro's at the 34th Street IRT station and also one at the
47-50th Street IND station.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 21, 1997 at 21:10:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brooklyn Trolley maps posted by Me, Myself and I
on July 21, 1997 at 20:21:18:
Yes, I suppose. I inserted that word when I was editing the page to
make it clear that these were no longer electric coaches.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 21, 1997 at 21:14:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Eateries posted by John on July 21, 1997 at
20:58:02:
I think the original poster was asking about places you can eat
without leaving the subway fare-paid zone. The Sbarro's at 47-50
doesn't qualify. (There's a ton of places to eat in the Concourse area
there, but nothing within the fare zone.) Does the Sbarro at 34th on
the IRT have a fare-paid area?
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 21, 1997 at 21:21:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by John on July 21, 1997
at 20:47:20:
There are plenty of high speed subways around the country.
Newer systems such as Washington and San Francisco have a top speed of
70 mph outside of the tunnels (inside, I think it is 50 or 55 mph).
PATCO in Philadelphia and Jersey is (or was) 75 mph.
Here in Philadelphia, we have a true high speed subway. When the
express tracks of the Broad St. Subway were extended from Erie Ave. to
Olney, the express tracks were improved from Spring Garden St. to Erie
Ave. as well to allow the trains to travel at 70 mph in the subway.
When I was performing braking tests on the subway for SEPTA with LTK
Engineering as an intern engineer, we sped down the express tracks at
65 to 70 mph hour as the signals allowed, which the motormen assured
me was the normal operating speed.
To get to the point of the original writer, there is no reason that
many of the express lines on the New York Subway could not have their
speed limit raised from 50 mph to 70 mph. Outside the tunnels, the
Rockaway extension, the Dyre Ave. extension, and the Brighton line
express tracks could easily be upgraded and sped up. In the tunnel, a
little effort at protecting alignment on the express tracks of the
Park-Lex, 6th, Broadway, 7th, 8th, Queens Blvd., Grand Concourse,
Fulton Ave., and 4th Ave. Brooklyn lines could raise the speeds on
them safely to 70 mph. It is quite possible that raising speeds on few
long express lines such as the A, D, 4, and 5 could reduce the number
of trainsets needed to provide service. A quick simulation and cost
benefit study would confirm or deny this suspiscion that simply
raising speeds could pay for itself, irregardless of high ridership.
Alternatively, savings in trainsets could spill over into more
frequent operations. The more modern subway cars on the B division
(IND/BMT) are geared for a 75 mph top speed, as the 2nd Ave. line and
Queens Superexpress/Atlantic Branch lines were designed for 70 mph
normal operating speeds (they were to be New York's answer to other
modern subway lines, and would have undoubtedly helped to promote the
speeding up of other lines). Something to keep in mind when raising
speeds is that a traction power operating simulation must be performed
to confirm that the exitsing substations are able to provide adequate
operating power for the faster trains.
You are quite right that high speed atracts riders. Anyone who has
ever driven I-66 in Washington can attest to the Orange line trains
whizzing by the jammed traffic knows this effect. After all, would you
rather travel in comfort at 70 mph, or sit in traffic at 30 mph?
Andy Byler
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Posted by Brian on July 21, 1997 at 22:00:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by Andrew Byler on July
21, 1997 at 21:21:18:
Your telling me that BART travels at 50 MPH in SF? When I rode it
didn't seem that fast!
And that the NYC Subway travels above 35-40 MPH, 50 between stations
on the express??
Do any of the CTA Trains travel that fast here in Chicago, like the
evanston Express??
Are you saying that the trains don't need to be replaced, just raise
the power level of the third rail???
That almost seems to easy!!
And I'm not talking about rail to the suburbs that has stops in the
city.
Please respond ASAP
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 21, 1997 at 22:44:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Mark
Greenwald on July 19, 1997 at 23:45:10:
The best transit system on the continent, hands down, is Philadelphia.
I've ridden on Philly, New York, NJT, Boston, Pittsburgh, Washington,
Chicago, Vancouver, and Ottawa. I've observed, but not ridden,
Portland, Seattle, Cleveland, Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami, and Denver.
Philadelphia is the only system in the country where you can go area
wide on a single pass on all components (Commuter, Subway, Trolley,
Bus). The highest pass, Zone 5-6, is $142 per month. Philly also
offers numerous discounts on tokens and passes, which are available in
daily, weekly, and monthly format. While new York can't seem to figure
out how to seel packs of ten tokens at a discount, Philly has been
doing it for years.
The Philadelphia commuter rail system covers the whole area
thoroughly, including frequent Airport service to the different
terminals, and connects conveninetly to Amtrak and Greyhound as well.
The Subways run on the major spine roads and serve as effective feeds
for the vast bus and trolley network, which can take you just about
anywhere you want to go (within a few blocks). The buses also cover
the suburbs pretty effectively. The suburbs have additional rail
service from the true last interurban in the country - the Philadephia
and Western, and from the Media and Sharon Hill trolley lines. The
system, apart from Commuter rail (which has special cost problems),
covers an average of 70% of costs from the farebox - buses actually
cover 80 to 100%.
If I had one complaint about Philly, it is that money problems have
hampered even more effective expansion of the trolley lines, commuter
rail, and bus network. But that may have been partly solved by PA's
finally coming up with a dedicated funding source.
Andy
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Posted by charles on July 21, 1997 at 23:38:37:
In Reply to: [5]Outdated Signs posted by Lou (again!) on July 21, 1997
at 11:06:46:
One outdated sign still in existence is on track one of the Stillwell
Avenue Station. It shows connecting lines BDFQ
The other outdated sign I know about is on 14th Street and 8th avenue.
On the Local track the K train is still on the sign
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on July 22, 1997 at 03:11:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Eateries posted by David Pirmann on July
21, 1997 at 21:14:02:
This thread broght back memories of the MANY gum and candy machines at
all
stations up to about 25 years ago.
Anyone remember these (or am I getting old!?)?
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on July 22, 1997 at 03:23:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What Would You Save? posted by Charles Fiori on
July 21, 1997 at 17:39:11:
Ah yes...
I don't know if it is connected -- but there was some rumor about some
museum car deals involving Hugh Dunne an ex-president of the ERA.
I don't know details and therefore do not wish to imply any wrongdoing
-
does anyone know anything about this issue?
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Posted by John on July 22, 1997 at 05:08:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Eateries posted by David Pirmann on July
21, 1997 at 21:14:02:
I'm not sure if the one at 34th is in the fare zone. Even though the
lower level is on the uptown local platform, it might not have an
entrance to the subway.
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Posted by Fred Wellman on July 22, 1997 at 05:52:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Andrew Byler
on July 21, 1997 at 22:44:50:
Living in the SEPTA Service area I have to agree to a point. Some
Suburbs
have very good bus service mine does not. It is not the fact they run
hourly , but the fact the bus route 96 runs from Norristown to Telford
PA. This means little to those not in the area but the major problem
is the route is so long and has such road conngestion it is never on
time!
Also to get to the county seat of Norristown it is 9 miles. With the
fare zones it would cost me $7.50. and take twice as long. I cannot
use
SEPTA to get to work so a pass does me little good. Also SEPTA seems
to be on a quest to get ride of trolley's and Trolley Buses.
We have horrible Air Quality. Last but not least they fired the last
GM
of the system for pure politics. SEPTA is a good system but needs some
route revamping.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 22, 1997 at 07:47:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Eateries posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on
July 22, 1997 at 03:11:46:
See my message above. Yes I do!!!
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 22, 1997 at 07:50:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What Would You Save? posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on July 22, 1997 at 03:23:59:
Hugh Dunne!!! Now there's a name from the past. I remember when he
worked directly for the late John Simpson who ran the TA in the early
'80's. No matter what time fo the day or night, if there was a major
service disruption, he would show up out of nowhere!!!
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 22, 1997 at 10:11:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by Andrew Byler on July
21, 1997 at 21:21:18:
You are sooo right about the DC's Metro Orange Line. The trains also
hit their top speed on the new Blue Line extension from Van Dorn St.
to Franconia/ Springfield which for a distance, parrallels I-495 (the
capital beltway). It also hit's top speed on the Green Line between
College Park & Greenbelt, Orange Line from Landover to New Carrollton
and the Blue/ Yellow Lines from National Airport to Braddock Rd. and
finally, the Red Line from Rockville to Shady Grove.
On a different note, you had mentioned what a feeling it is to be on a
train whizzing by backed-up traffic on I-66, Baltimore did the same
with their Metro, they built within the median of I-795 (the Northwest
Expwy) and take it from me, nothing advertises mass transit better
than seeing the train pass you while you're sitting still.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 22, 1997 at 10:15:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Andrew Byler
on July 21, 1997 at 22:44:50:
Hats off to Philadelphia!!! I like the "pay one fare" and be able to
transfer from different modes----
Washington is looking at updating their system to do the same but it
is still a few years off-----when it does happen it'll be long
overdue.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 22, 1997 at 10:17:40:
In Reply to: [5]New York Bus Service Fleet posted by Bryan Layne on
July 21, 1997 at 19:10:12:
Bryan,
The fishbowls you saw are very much active. They are suburbans from GM
of Canada with 8-cylinder engines and very fast. They pretty much only
operate during rush hours, but as with any coach at New York Bus
Service they are in immaculate condition.
Here is most (if not all) of their current roster:
1481-1505 Suburban fishbows from GM-Canada in approx. 1981/2
1600-1602 Suburban Classic TC40102-A GM-Canada approx. 1985/6
1603-1709 Suburban Classic TC40102-A MCI 1988
Classics #1700-1709 are equipped with wheelchair lifts.
I know that for some time NYBS was holding on to a few (probably about
10-20) older GM fishbowls (built approx. 1976/7), but I don't know if
they are still on NYBS' roster. NYBS (in my opinion) is the finest
operation in the NYC metro area. All of their buses are always in
tip-top shape, always spotlessly clean, inside and out, buses are
usually on time - just an extremely well managed company. There was a
NY Daily News article in the early 1980's on NYBS' and it's owner Ed.
Arrigoni (I hope the spelling is correct). I remember Mr. Arrigoni had
placed a then new GM-Canada fishbowl next to one of GM's original
fishbowls model 5301 (1959-60) and the reporter found it hard to
believe that these two buses were built 20 years apart. NYBS was also
able to boast a 100% air-conditioned fleet (with the A/C actually
working) long ago when it was a dream to most companies/transit
agencies.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 22, 1997 at 10:18:06:
In Reply to: [6]Orginally posted message(Re: High speed Subways posted
by Brian on July 21, 1997 at 22:00:53:
BART and WMATA (and also PATCO) all go only 50 mph at the most in the
tunnels. New York expresses are also limited to 50 mph. The CTA is
likewise limited to 50 mph, except perhaps on some of the highway
median lines (but again, those are not subways). You might try pacing
a Blue line or Dan Ryan train on the JFK, Dan Ryan, or Congress
Expressways to figure out its operating speed.
In New York you would need to do more than simply raise the power (and
that is not quite what I had in mind, but let me explain). New York's
B division has a number of newer models with a top speed of 75 mph,
because they were designed for use on the 2nd Ave. and Queens
Superexpress lines, which were to be modern high speed subways. So the
equipment is available. What needs imporvement is first the track
structure. The alinement must be such that excessive rocking cannot
occur, and standards progress in a somewhat exponential manner for
arithmetic speed increases. Second, it may be necessary to build more
substations not to increase voltage in the 3rd rail, but to ensure
that power is evenly distributed at a voltage as close to 600 DC as
possible (voltage drops the further you are from a substation -
sometimes quite crtically). Finally, if there are major curves whcih
you do not want restricted, some structural work to create
superelevation may be necessary.
All this has been done on the Broad St. express tracks in Philly, so
it is not impossible.
Andy Byler
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 22, 1997 at 10:23:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Eateries posted by John on July 22, 1997 at
05:08:00:
It's not in the fare paid area.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 22, 1997 at 10:26:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Eateries posted by Charles Fiori on July
22, 1997 at 07:47:38:
At Union Square, on the mezzanine level near to the south end of the
IRT exington Ave line's platforms was a hot dog vendor who also had
really good soft pretzels.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 22, 1997 at 10:43:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What Would You Save? posted by subway-buff on July
21, 1997 at 17:43:58:
It also became sort of a problem because the hidden Lo-V cars remained
in the NYCTA's master inventory list. I believe they were hidden on an
unused storage track on the Dyre Ave line. Also there was a person
responsible for tracking down "missing" equipment and it seems that he
searched the entire system except this storage area (which I believe
was in a tunnel) - then one day it dawned on him that he had not
checked this one area. Well out of the office he went, but he made the
mistake of telling another employee who then contacted... Turdik, I
think that was his name. He informed Turdik that he had better move
the Lo-V's because this person was on his way to check out the storage
area. The Lo-V's were temporarily hidden somewhere at the 180th Street
area.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on July 22, 1997 at 11:19:56:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Eateries posted by John M. on July 21, 1997 at
10:19:42:
It wasn't in the subway. Nor was it in a "fare paid zone." However,
the finest food outlet in the NYC mass transit area I can remember was
the hot dog stand on the mezzanine level of the Jamaica LIRR station
(the one closest to the steps leading down to the main waiting room.)
When I was in junior high school, I would stop there for a hot dog and
knish on my way into the city from LI (riding the MP-54s, of course!).
There was a tall, thin gentleman who wore a red-and-white striped
shirt who served the food. That was in the late 60's! And up until a
few years ago, he WAS STILL THERE, and still in a red-and-white
striped shirt, serving what in my opinion were the best hot dogs and
knishes anywhere. I would make it a point to stop there on my frequent
trips from my now home in Boston to NYC. When the LIRR announced that
due to the renovation of the Jamaica station they would be closing the
snack bar, he told me he had been serving the food there for THIRTY
YEARS! When I walk through the mezzanine today, I wonder where he is
now?
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on July 22, 1997 at 11:28:16:
In Reply to: [6]City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on July
19, 1997 at 22:53:36:
NYC is and will ALWAYS be my favorite.
But for VALUE, Boston has some pretty good deals. I take the commuter
rail into work every day. My pass is $72 per month, for a 25 minute
ride on the commuter rail from "Zone 2." This INCLUDES all of the
subway, bus, and trackless trolley rides I can take. As added
incentives, the pass features:
2 for 1 on all modes on Sunday.
Buy 12 months in advance, pay for 11 and get 1 free
A nice discount off your car insurance.
Sure, I don't get to change at Jamaica, but what do you want for what
nets out to be less than $3 a day for the above if you take advantage
of the discounts! The bad news is that the subway/bus system shuts
down from 1-5am -- night owls beware!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 22, 1997 at 11:50:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: missed connections posted by Steve on July 21,
1997 at 20:30:33:
Steve,
I have a question. In a case where let's say it's 10:30 PM and a
southbound E train arrives at Roosevelt Ave-Jackson Hgts and a G train
(local) arrives less than 30 seconds later. If the E-train doesn't
have the holding lights, according to the TA rulebook what is the
conductor of the E-train to do? Close his/her doors or wait for a
connection with the G train?
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 22, 1997 at 12:09:07:
In Reply to: [6]Brooklyn Trolley maps posted by Ted Nielsen on July
20, 1997 at 12:53:31:
There is a book titled "Confessions of a Trolley Dodger from Brooklyn"
by Stan Fischler. Although the maps in the book are not original they
are detailed and show exactly what the streets the trolleys ran on.
The book is sold at the NYC Transit museum.
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POSTER>Larry Hildes
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Posted by Larry Hildes on July 22, 1997 at 14:43:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by John on July 21, 1997
at 20:47:20:
B.A.R.T. in the Bay area travels up to 80 MPH, and generally, in long
stretches btween stations travels at just under 70. When late, the
trains travel through the transbay tubes at 80.
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POSTER>John L.
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Posted by John L. on July 22, 1997 at 16:11:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Eateries posted by Charles Fiori on July
21, 1997 at 17:35:32:
Yes, I remember the two eateries in the Times Sq shuttle area--as well
as the record store! One of the two eateries (I believe it was the one
going toward the BMT) always had prominent displays of dougthnuts
under glass!
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Posted by John on July 22, 1997 at 16:23:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Bus Service Fleet posted by Wayne Johnson
on July 22, 1997 at 10:17:40:
And I though the fishbowls were only memories in New York! How much
longer will the New York Bus Service keep those in service? Do they
operate the fishbowls only in the Bronx, or do they use them on
express lines into Manhattan, also?
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Posted by Bingo on July 22, 1997 at 16:48:23:
In Reply to: [5]What is Metro pass/ McCormick Place WAS: NEW CTA ALL
DAY RIDDING PASS posted by Brian from Chicago on July 17, 1997 at
20:19:04:
Metropass is a monthly pass that you buy for a months worth of
unlimited rides. It is NOT a debit-type card like in New York, but
uses the same type of slide-thru turnstile that they use there. The
"Express Lane" is simply one of these turnstiles modified for the
cards. (Yes, we still use old fashioned manned booths for tickets and
as such) The Metropass is made of credit-card plastic, and you need to
show this photo-I.D portion along with the card on buses and
streetcars.
Has the autoshow now been moved to the new building, or is it still
being held in the older black building?
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POSTER>Bingo
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Posted by Bingo on July 22, 1997 at 17:05:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Brian on
July 20, 1997 at 20:44:37:
The TGV is the fastest in the world, which recorded a speed record of
303 mph in 1995 (on the Paris-Rouen run) A version of TGV also runs in
the English-French Chunnel (Eurostar). It reaches speeds of about 200
mph. The best thing about these high-speed trains is that they can
couple with each other while running at cruise speed.
Japan has recently annouced their plan to introduce the new series 400
Shinkansen bullet train. It has a sloped nose front, and will travel
the heavy ridership Osaka-Tokyo line (Grand Trunk). The series 0 was
the fastest train in the world up to the late 60's when TGV was
introduced. In my opinion, they're still the fastest looking trains
around.
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Posted by Bingo on July 22, 1997 at 17:10:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Problems with the CTA posted by Brian ( Originally
posted posted shabang on July 20, 1997 at 20:58:14:
They could make the station collectors a little more friendly. I
encountered this complete a-hole in a glass box while in Chicago. All
I wanted was a friggin' map of the system.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 22, 1997 at 17:13:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Bus Service Fleet posted by John on July
22, 1997 at 16:23:50:
All of NYBS' routes are premium fare express routes that run from the
Bronx to Manhattan. My guess is that the Canadian fishbowls will be
around for at least 4-5 more years.
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SUBJECT>Re: Paris Metro not Airconditioned as well as the LONDON UNDERGROUND
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Posted by Bingo on July 22, 1997 at 17:19:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Paris Metro not Airconditioned as well as the
LONDON UNDERGROUND posted by AILIN on July 20, 1997 at 09:19:50:
There's no a/c on any of the Montreal Metro trains either. And since
most of the subway is deep, deep underground (some of it even through
granite) it is like being in a roasting pan during hot summer days.
Toronto H-1 and H-3 trains are also not air conditioned, but they're
on the way out anyway.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on July 22, 1997 at 18:11:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Todd
Glickman on July 22, 1997 at 11:28:16:
Yes Todd!
Now, if the MBTA ever got its act together, and untangled some of the
messes it's gotten itself into (Arborway, Washington St. Corridor, 20
minute evening subway headways, even worse on many bus routes ...) it
would truely be a World Class System. And as for the latest Washington
Street Replacement Plan...
Gerry
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Posted by susan RN on July 22, 1997 at 18:22:37:
In Reply to: [5]Sanitation on the subways posted by Eric on July 17,
1997 at 22:48:59:
I work with the homeless and can verify there are numerous multi-drug
resistant tb patients living on the subway. The air must be
decontaminated and this can be done by ultraviolet light. A nobel
prize was won in 1904 for the discovery ultraviolet light kills
tuberculosis germs. All new subway wars should have ultraviolet light
in the air conditioning units, but the transit authority seems to be
run by the retarded. Tuberculosis killed George Orwell and Nixon's
brother. It was a scourge for 200 years and it's back and people will
die while the transit authority idiots worry aboiut the color of the
seats on the new cars.
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on July 22, 1997 at 18:44:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Orginally posted message(Re: High speed Subways
posted by Andrew Byler on July 22, 1997 at 10:18:06:
i have ridden on all the CTA Trains and really dont think they travel
above 40
Miles per hour, even the Forest Park ( Eisenhower), Dan Ryan, and
Ohare ( Kennedy) trains.
Even 50 in the tunnels downtown seems to fast. They make so much
noise, I
think the trains becasue they are so old, would fall apart if they
went any faster!
Is it really a fact that the CTA Travels at least up to 50?
If it isn't, I'm going to contact the CTA and ask them how fast their
trains go!
Thanks for all the informationa and in advance for answering another
question!
Brian
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Posted by Steve on July 22, 1997 at 19:42:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by Andrew Byler on July
21, 1997 at 21:21:18:
The fact is that the express routes you mentioned could not have their
speed limit raised without first replacing the signal system. The
current NYCT signal system would not offer adequate protection at
speeds above their current levels.
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Posted by Steve on July 22, 1997 at 19:49:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by David L. on
July 21, 1997 at 17:00:13:
That was tried on the JFK express in the early 80s. But what do you do
when the morons try to see what happens when newspaper burns on a
crowded rush hour train?
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Posted by Steve on July 22, 1997 at 19:56:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by susan RN on
July 22, 1997 at 18:22:37:
I believe that UV light was tried by the NYCT in 1949 in a device
called a percipitron which was installed on the R-11 subway cars for
are handling. Yours is an interesting idea but the air would have to
be circulated through closed chambers containing the UV light source.
There are too many people who are UV light sensative.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 22, 1997 at 20:00:35:
In Reply to: [6]From Me Brian Again to Andrew posted by Brian Jakosz
on July 22, 1997 at 18:44:53:
It is a fact that they go 50 mph. I have paced them on the highway at
around that speed, and am confident they get going that fast in parts
of the Subway too. They don't go so fast on the el, though.
Here in Philly, the locals go 55 mph, and while it may seem hard to
believem when you are riding on it, that it can get going that fast in
only 1/2 a mile between stops, you can look through the screen and see
the digital speedometer in the cab.
Andy
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Posted by Steve on July 22, 1997 at 20:07:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by Wayne Johnson on July
22, 1997 at 11:50:57:
Interesting point but I think Roosevelt Ave. has holding lights in
place. However, assuming that there were not, I did some research. TA
Rule 107p (old rule book) states that a conductor must govern his
operation by the starting (green) or holding (orange) lights when
installed. The rule book makes no provision for connections when
holding lights are not in place.
On the other hand, RTO personnel are governed by bulletins which are
published periodically. I believe that there is one covering the
making of connections during non-commission hours. I will research
that for you too.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 22, 1997 at 20:07:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by Steve on July 22,
1997 at 19:42:45:
I'll have to take your word on the signalling in New York.
The project I worked on with brake testing on the Broad St. subway was
in part to determine operating characteristics for the 12 year old
equipment for a new signalling system. However, they had raised the
track speeds prior to its installation, as I was in the cab as we
hurtled under Broad St. at 70 mph. So this is not true on all systems.
I think for New York, it is more a matter of rewiring and retiming to
cut the time it takes for signals in each block to clear after the
last train has passed than a need for a brand new signal system. On
the other hand, New York is making plans to install just such a brand
new system. One wonders if they plan on raising speeds at the same
time, or if they have even taken that into consideration.
Andy
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Posted by Zack on July 22, 1997 at 23:51:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What Would You Save? posted by Wayne Johnson on
July 22, 1997 at 10:43:32:
are the lo V's still around somewhere????
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 03:23:26:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Bus Fleets posted by Garfield on July 14, 1997 at
17:30:54:
Recently I have seen a Manhattanville depot bus with the shrink wrap
advertisement on the rear of the bus covering the entire A/C unit and
engine compartment cover. But I do not think that MTA wants to have
the same set up as the Queens private lines because of safety reasons.
Also, Department of Buses has two buses that have been rebuilt to sell
Metrocards at various sites and these have been covered entirely in a
Gold Metrocard setup.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 03:35:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Buses posted by John M. on July 14, 1997 at
16:32:28:
MTA is going to build a natural gas fueling station at the Jackie
Gleason depot in Brooklyn, in addition to purchasing 70 more natural
gas Orion buses. I believe Orion industries has a web page about thier
buses, but I dont recall the address. Try a web browser to find it
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Posted by blaise on July 23, 1997 at 03:43:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd Ave. Subway Plans (was Regional Express plan (
Rx )) posted by Andrew Byler on July 15, 1997 at 23:46:31:
How about taking the 2nd Ave. line over to Randalls Island at 125th
St., to connect with the existing tracks Amtrak isn't using, and on up
to Co-op City?
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 03:47:25:
To any who like to send me info or questions regarding Department of
buses feel free to E mail me. I am an avid bus, trolley and train buff
and employed by New York City transit as a bus operator.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 23, 1997 at 07:13:54:
In Reply to: [5]Department of Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July
23, 1997 at 03:47:25:
Good Morning. I love buses, too, growing up at the end of the Q15 and
bugging drivers there all day to let me change the signs, etc. I am
really trying to find any old NYC bus destination signs. Do you know
any drivers or other colleagues who have a collection and would like
to sell/trade?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 23, 1997 at 07:20:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Bus Service Fleet posted by Wayne Johnson
on July 22, 1997 at 17:13:12:
What happened to the fishbowls used by the TA which were rebuilt by
Blitz? Did they end up at Nimco or where?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 23, 1997 at 07:21:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Bus Service Fleet posted by Wayne Johnson
on July 22, 1997 at 17:13:12:
What happened to the fishbowls used by the TA which were rebuilt by
Blitz? Did they end up at Nimco or where?
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Posted by Julio Perez on July 23, 1997 at 07:30:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by John on July 21, 1997
at 20:47:20:
Although it is not a subway system _yet_, metro Miami's Metrorail is
said to reach speeds of or over 60 MPH in a 1-mile segment between the
Vizcaya and Douglas Road stations.
Commuters drive on US1 to the east of the rail @ 35 MPH or so during
rush hour wondering what are they doing driving to work.
BTW, I said Metrorail's not a subway _yet_ because there are studies
being conducted to link Florida International University with the Port
of Miami. The type of link has not been defined, although a recent
article in The Miami Herald the possibility of an underground link,
possibly light rail (yecch! on the light rail bit).
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Posted by Charles on July 23, 1997 at 08:10:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What Would You Save? posted by Zack on July 22,
1997 at 23:51:35:
The Low V's are still are 4902 trailer, 5290, 5292, 5443,5483 restored
motors They have been restored and are in good condition, and are
scattered Between the Transit Museum, and Coney Island Yd.
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Posted by Ray on July 23, 1997 at 08:16:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Bus Service Fleet posted by Charles Fiori
on July 23, 1997 at 07:21:02:
The last 72 of the re-built fishbowls were used on Staten Island
express
buses until 1992. Apparently they weren't re-built too well because
one of
them nearly disintegrated after the rear axle collapsed up into the
passenger area. The TA 'inspected' the remaining Blitz buses and found
them
to be unsafe. The 72 were pulled out of service and replaced in 1993
with 72 Orion express buses, the best in the TA express fleet, with
soft high-back reclining seats.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 23, 1997 at 08:18:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re-built GM fishbowls (Blitz Bus) posted by Ray on
July 23, 1997 at 08:16:27:
Thanks for the reply, but what happened to the buses?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997 at 09:36:38:
In Reply to: [5]Department of Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July
23, 1997 at 03:47:25:
Hi Fernando,
Which depot do you operate out of??? I'm not a TA employee, but I've
managed to gather much bus and subway info over the years just from
riding often and driving past the depots and yards. I would like to
know if you have the fleet numbers to the buses in the Museum fleet. I
know a couple of them like 3758 (TDH5303) and 236 (Grumman 870). If I
have the numbers I can match the model of the bus to it. Thank you
much.
Wayne
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997 at 09:52:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Bus Service Fleet posted by Charles Fiori
on July 23, 1997 at 07:21:02:
Several of the TA's rebuilt fishbowls were sent to Long Island Bus
(Formally known as MSBA-Metropolitan Suburban Bus Authority and
another MTA subsidiary). The TA had also sold some to a Brooklyn
operator - Metro Apple Express. I don't know if Metro Apple Express is
still around, but they were a very small company with express routes
between Brooklyn and Manhattan. Most of their buses were second hand
Flxible new look suburbans from NJ Transit. I suspect that these buses
have been scrapped. I'm sure MSBA has gotten rid of theirs also since
they have recently taken delivery of numerous new CNG Orion V buses.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997 at 10:09:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: missed connections posted by Steve on July 22,
1997 at 20:07:03:
Steve,
First, thank you for researching this for me. I think in my question I
implied that there are no holding lights in place at Roosevelt Ave.
Station. If I remember correctly there are indeed holding lights at
this station. In my original question/scenario I meant that the E
train while in the station the holding lights would not have been on
to hold it there - is the conductor allowed to hold his/her doors open
for the arriving G train?
Many thanks again,
Wayne
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997 at 10:17:51:
In Reply to: [5]re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at
03:35:01:
I thought that the TA already had some sort of CNG fueling station at
Jackie Gleason depot, since there are CNG Orions there now. If not how
are they being fueled at this time. Also do you know of the TA
expressing interest in purchasing Novabus Classics?
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Posted by Dave on July 23, 1997 at 11:15:51:
After upgrading from AOL 3.0 for Win3.1 to AOL 3.0 for WIN95, all the
posts on this bulletin board display in huge fonts, 16 or 18 size.
Other web sites exhibit normal size fonts and the AOL sites do as
well. Has anyone else experienced this problem and do you know of a
cure?
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 14:21:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on
July 23, 1997 at 09:36:38:
I am an operator out of Amsterdam depot, I currently am on the extra
list. So you can find me on the M79, m104 or m116. Heres a list of the
museum fleet and where they are stored.
1917 5th Avenue model a 303 East New York
1938 Yellow 735 Double decker Queen Mary 2124 Mother Clara Hale
1948 GMC 5101 Honeymooners Model 2969 Jackie Gleason
1956 GMC 5106 3100 Queens Village
1957 Mack c49d 6259 Flatbush
1958 GMC 5106 9098 Manhattanville
1959 GMC 5301 100 Queens Village
1961 GMC 5301 1059 Jamaica
1962 GMC 5301 2151 Castleton
1963 GMC 5303 3758 Ulmer Park
1964 Flxible 401 5117 Queens Village
1966 GMC 5303 8466 Fresh Pond
1968 GMC 5303 8928 Ulmer Park
1969 Flxible 111-cc-d51 4727 Queens Village
1973 Flxible 53102-6-1 7340 Castelton
1980 Grumman 870 236 Crosstown
1981 GMC RTS-04 1201 Being preserved
Hope this list helps, the middle number is the bus number, and the
names are of the depots the bus is being stored at. I dont know where
the RTS is being kept now.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 14:27:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of Buses posted by Charles Fiori on
July 23, 1997 at 07:13:54:
I as well use to bother the bus operators on the Lower East Side of
Manhattan to change signs, ask endless questions and sit in the seat!
However I do not know of anyone who has a collection of old signs. But
knowing how us buffs are and how we love to help each other in our
passion try these guys, they may have info for you:
Bus club
The Metropolitan NY Bus Association
Gary Grahl
1425 Thierot Av. #6L
Bronx, NY 10460-3817
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Posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 14:28:12:
In Reply to: [5]AOL for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site posted
by Dave on July 23, 1997 at 11:15:51:
I've had this "problem" all along!!! I didn't even notice it, or more
precisely, didn't think it was unusual, to tell you the truth.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 14:32:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Re-built GM fishbowls (Blitz Bus) posted by
Charles Fiori on July 23, 1997 at 08:18:26:
Because of ADA requirements, the buses had to be replaced by wheels
chair equiped and kneel buses. I have heard around in my depot that
the buses were sold to Mexico, believe it or not.
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Posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 14:35:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of Buses posted by Fernando Perez on
July 23, 1997 at 14:27:20:
What is a more appropriate title for you, bus 'driver', or bus
'operator'? The term bus 'operator' is used in brochures and
timetables, but don't you 'drive' the bus, rather than 'operate' it? I
mean, you 'operate' a subway train, so don't you 'drive' the bus?
Just curious.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 14:41:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997
at 10:17:51:
You are right! Gleason currently has 34 CNG's. By 1998 they are going
to expand to 224.$5 million dollars in facilty upgrades will enable to
depot to hold more and fuel each bus in a couple of minutes instead of
the half hour it takes now for each bus.
Transit defintely has more Nova's coming in but Im not sure if they
are classics. Are the classics the same as the current Novas
8700-9200?
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 14:47:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of Buses posted by John on July 23,
1997 at 14:35:09:
In transit we say a bad operator is a driver, and a good operator is a
operator. It's one of those union classification titles. Like Bus
maintainer, General Supt. SLD, Etc. Since the trolleys were changed
from the hand controls to the PCC foot controls the name changed and
it has stuck. I think they changed Train Operator from Motorman
because motorperson didn't sound right for the female operators.
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Posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 14:56:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by Steve on July
22, 1997 at 19:56:13:
Yeah, but look on the positive side - you won't have to take the LIRR
all the way out to the Hamptons to get a tan - just stay on the subway
and don't get off at Penn Station!!
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Posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 14:57:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by Steve on July
22, 1997 at 19:56:13:
Yeah, but look on the positive side - you won't have to take the LIRR
all the way out to the Hamptons to get a tan - just stay on the subway
and don't get off at Penn Station!!
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 23, 1997 at 16:37:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: AOL for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site
posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 14:28:12:
Are you both using the AOL browser?
Can we hear some yay or nay's from people using IE or NS?
--Dave
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997 at 16:40:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Department of Buses posted by Fernando Perez on
July 23, 1997 at 14:21:04:
Fernando,
Thanks a million. I knew the models and the fact that the fleet is
stored at different depots, but I really needed the bus fleet numbers
to complete my puzzle.
Thanks again,
Wayne
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Posted by subway-buff on July 23, 1997 at 17:38:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by susan RN on
July 22, 1997 at 18:22:37:
The R-11 * did* have UV lights. they were removed after the TA found
out that the lights not only sterlized germs but also sterilized *
people *
SOURCE: NYC Subway Cars and Tour in Transit Museum.
Can you imagine the lawsuit today if the TA did put in UV lights and
someone claimed they were sterilized as a result!! Godd bye
subways!(Remember that the BRT was forced into bankruptcy due to
Malbone Street.)
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997 at 17:48:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 23,
1997 at 14:41:57:
Hi Again,
Sorry, I should've been more clear. The TA's 8700-9200 are from
Novabus, but they are Novabus RTS's. Novabus classics are the buses
that make up most of the fleet at Liberty Lines and New York Bus
Service. The other private bus companies in Queens and Command in
Brooklyn have Classics also, but all of these Classics in NYC are MCI
Classics (before MCI-Motor Coach Industries sold the Classic line to
Novabus). In fact here is the brief history of both models.
First the RTS
The RTS II was introduced in 1977 by General Motors. The first model
came in two series - which was 01 & 03. They originally had a sloping
back.
1980 GM introduced the RTS-04 series which had the current square
back.
1986 GM introduced the RTS-06 series which looked pretty much
identical to the 04 series.
1988 GM sold the RTS production line to MCI which is the same company
that manfacturers MCI intercity coaches and owned Greyhound at the
time.
Approx 1996 MCI sold RTS line to NovaBus of Canada
The Classic:
Was introduced by General Motors of Canada in 1983, because most
Canadian and some U.S. agencies did not like the RTS.
GM-Canada sold the Classic line to MCI in 1987
MCI sold the Classic line to NovaBus in 1996
So while the TA has numerous RTS's they have no Classics at this time.
Wayne
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POSTER>Fred Wellman
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Posted by Fred Wellman on July 23, 1997 at 18:03:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Mark
Greenwald on July 22, 1997 at 10:15:57:
I am not sure what you mean by pay one fare transfer to different
modes.
For a price you can transfer from bues to subway. I know of
no transfers from Regional Rail to any other mode. I will admit I
don't
use the the system very much, then mostly Regional Rail.
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Does anyone know if the new direct service on PATH from Hoboken to the
Trade Center on weekends is a success yet?? This is the best thing
PATH has done in years. It used to be a real pain to go to Grove St.,
then double back.
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Posted by Zack on July 23, 1997 at 19:04:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: AOL for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site
posted by David Pirmann on July 23, 1997 at 16:37:33:
nay everything displays fine in netscape 3&4
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Posted by Bob Andersen on July 23, 1997 at 19:44:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: AOL for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site
posted by David Pirmann on July 23, 1997 at 16:37:33:
No problems with IE 3.0!
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Posted by Steve on July 23, 1997 at 19:54:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by subway-buff on
July 23, 1997 at 17:38:40:
Thanks for the confirmation. I was sure that I read that the
Percipitrons had ultraviolet lights but couldn't find the source.
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Posted by Steve on July 23, 1997 at 20:01:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: missed connections posted by Wayne Johnson on July
23, 1997 at 10:09:00:
To answer your question - sort of. I was on a northbound A train this
morning. We passed a northbound B train at 116th Street. When we got
to 125th Street, without holding lights and without my asking the
Conductor, he most certainly held the doors open on the A train for
the arriving B train.
However, the conductor knew that a B train was behind him because he
passed it, much like an E train conductor would know a G train was
coming because he would have likely passed it. On the other hand, If
the G train was in Roosevelt Ave. the conductor would have no way of
knowing that an E or F train were approaching and once the train
operator gets his indication, it has to be a matter of safety for the
conductor to take it away. Making a connnection would not qualify.
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Posted by Michael Adler on July 23, 1997 at 21:33:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: AOL for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site
posted by Zack on July 23, 1997 at 19:04:25:
No problemo with Netscape 2.0 for 16 bit/Win95
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Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
City Letter Carrier serving Wheat Ridge & Mountain Viw (not Netscape's
hometown )
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 23, 1997 at 21:35:00:
In Reply to: [6]PATH WTC service posted by Lou on July 23, 1997 at
18:35:46:
It's probably considered a success since they extended the original 6
month trial for another 6 months. They'll probably keep it since it's
in PATH's best interest to provide better service to Hoboken, both for
the casual user and also to make up for the loss of people due to
Midtown Direct. I expect you'll see it stay. (I'd also advocate
getting rid of the 33rd-Hob-JSQ round-the-world service and in general
increasing weekend and offpeak service, but I don't think that'll
happen. They've been doing the round-the-world for 40 years...)
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Posted by MEMYSELFANDI on July 23, 1997 at 22:02:28:
In Reply to: [5]Orginally posted message(Re: High speed Subways posted
by Brian on July 21, 1997 at 22:00:53:
You can't have a train designed to run at a max of 50 MPH run at 70
MPH even if you raise the rail power, the alternators will burn. And
it is possible to add motors that will use the same power to run
faster. New York City's R44 and R46 type cars can run at 75 MPH and I
guess the R62 and R68 would too.
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Posted by Memyselfandi on July 23, 1997 at 22:08:53:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Outdated Signs posted by John on July 21, 1997 at
20:50:27:
The Signs denoting the entrance to the WTC are completely screwed up,
the y say lines like RR and CC, gone years ago.
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Posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 22:34:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH WTC service posted by David Pirmann on July
23, 1997 at 21:35:00:
Why doesn't PATH have direct service between 33rd Street and Newark,
or Hoboken and Newark?
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Posted by Memyselfandi on July 23, 1997 at 22:44:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by susan RN on
July 22, 1997 at 18:22:37:
I hope that one day I get Sickle-cell Anemia so I wont be able to get
Malaria or Yellow Fever. If we use UV light in subway cars to
eliminate TB well how will we cure Skin Cancer (Melanoma) from riders?
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Posted by Steve on July 23, 1997 at 22:49:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by Andrew Byler on July
22, 1997 at 20:07:08:
When you mentioned Broad St. I firdst thought of the J train until I
realized you were referring to Philly. You are quite correct in that
most of the NYCT signal problems could be resolved by rewiring the
blocks. However, not all.
I am not a signal expert but as I see it, the single weakest point in
the NYCT system is that the yellow signal is not enforced by the
signal system. On most railroads, a train can not pass an approach
signal at top speed. The signal is enforced by the automatic speed
control. A train passing above the required speed will be put into an
emergency brake application. On the NYCT, the yellow signal has no
such enforcement. Therefore, a train operator can pass a yellow signal
at MAS (maximum allowable speed) with no enforcement unless he fails
to stop at the following red signal. However, if a train operator hits
a red signal at MAS, because of the current signal spacing and wiring,
he could conceivably hit a train in the next block before his train
will stop. Hence, the NYCT has reduced the MAS of all trains.
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Posted by John on July 23, 1997 at 22:52:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by subway-buff on
July 23, 1997 at 17:38:40:
Was anybody known to have been sterilized? Is that why the R-11s were
hardly ever used? What about the R-11 unit in the Transit Museum? Does
that still have the UV lights?
If (while the R-11s were still in service) a couple were planning on
having kids, it would've been in their best interest to pass up a
train of R-11s, huh?
Hmmm . . . maybe some of the cases of those couples that complained
that the wife couldn't get pregnant could've been traced to recent
rides in an R-11.
Yes? No? Maybe?
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Posted by Idnaflesymem on July 23, 1997 at 22:55:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 2nd Ave. Subway Plans (was Regional Express plan (
Rx )) posted by blaise on July 23, 1997 at 03:43:32:
AmTrak IS using those tracks.
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Posted by Steve on July 23, 1997 at 22:57:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by Memyselfandi
on July 23, 1997 at 22:44:32:
Your comparrison is weak. I do not advocate the use of UV light but it
could be feasible if the air were circulated through chambers where it
would be subject to UV light while customers are not. (You are not
subject to fluoridation but your drinking water is) The big question
is whether the purpose of the subway system is to provide efficient
and cost-effective mass transit or to solve all of the ills of
society.
Mandatory UV light would make more sense in hospitals, restaurants or
maybe even the DMV.
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In Reply to: [5]AOL for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site posted
by Dave on July 23, 1997 at 11:15:51:
Go to [6]Netscape and get their new Communicator. The problem your
experiencing is that 3.0 for Win3.1 uses AOL web browser while AOL for
WIn95 uses Microsoft Internet Explorer.
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Posted by Steve on July 23, 1997 at 23:00:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by John on July
23, 1997 at 22:52:55:
The percipitrons were mounted under the car and no one was subected to
UV light as a consequence of these devices.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 23, 1997 at 23:03:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on July 23, 1997
at 17:48:57:
I dont think NYCT will be purchasing any classics because of ADA
requirements, and they are pretty much trying to stick to the same
type of equipment despite different companies. Right now I hear that
Novabus may be selling their bus manufacturing plant despite making
over 1500 hundred buses last year. Right now transit is dealing a lot
with new flyer of Canada for 150 articulate buses which are right now
in service in the Bronx and low floor buses which permit wheel chairs
to enter from the front. There is a contract for 70 of these. One is
currently being tested at Mother Clara Hale depot in Harlem on the M1,
M7 and BX33.
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Posted by Michael Adler on July 24, 1997 at 00:14:42:
Hi all,
Wondering why not MTA send 1 6th Ave trains to the Rockaways or at
least to Euclid Av and 1 8th Ave trains to Coney Island via Culver
line? this can be done north of Jay St-Boro Hall station. Is there any
reason(s) why MTA can't do it?
Sample routes:
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A-207 to the Rockaways/Lefferts
V-21-QnsBdg to Euclid or Rockaways
C-145/168/Bedford Pk to Coney Island via Culver line
F-179 to Coney Island
Michael
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on July 24, 1997 at 02:35:34:
In Reply to: [6]switch routes for Rockaway/Culver posted by Michael
Adler on July 24, 1997 at 00:14:42:
Probably because it is too much of a pain to switch lines from one
track to the other and vice versa, especially during rush hours. Each
train that has to signal which line they are, and if that train has to
switch over, it has to synchronize with the other lines, which could
cost precious minutes. One somewhat apocryphal story has it that, at
one time, north of 96th Street and Broadway, some trains from the #1
would go express, while some trains coming from the 2/3 side would go
local. This caused chronic delays at the crossover north of 96th,
until they decided they decided to make all the trains from Van
Cortlandt go local, and all the trains from Lenox and 241st go
express.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on July 24, 1997 at 02:52:22:
In Reply to: [6]RERUN ALERT!!!! posted by Lou on July 21, 1997 at
10:57:28:
I haven't seen this episode in many years (too bad I read your message
too late). In the scenes showing Lucy actually in the car, were the
cars Low V's or something else?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 24, 1997 at 08:56:24:
In Reply to: [5]Problems with the CTA posted by Brian from Chicago on
July 17, 1997 at 23:09:31:
Not with the trains, but... I was standing outside Lincoln park Zoo on
Saturday afternoon at around 4pm, when three(!) #151s pulled up in a
row, going southbound. The run #'s were not consecutive (something
like 928, 930, 929). I remember in New York years ago when there was a
lot of complaining about 'bus bunching' especially on 2d Ave, the
response was that headways are small enough and loading and traffic
patterns would create the situation, yada-yada-yada. What might the
excuse be for a Saturday afternoon? Admittedly, the #151 is a very
long route, but seeing three less-than-full buses doesn't speak well
to the CTAs choices of areas to cut costs.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 24, 1997 at 09:42:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Fred Wellman
on July 23, 1997 at 18:03:22:
In Washington, you CAN transfer from subway to bus w/o paying an extra
fee PROVIDING, you get a transfer slip from the station THAT YOU
BOARDED!!, not the one where you are leaving the system to board the
bus. If you go from bus to subway, however, you must pay two fares,
one for each mode of transportation. What the WMATA is looking into
though is a sort of universal farecard which can be used on both types
of transit and the appropriate fares (if any) will be applied at that
moment. I guess from this you can either prepay your fare (like you
are able to do by buying a higher than the required amount on a subway
farecard) or possibly be billed, maybe once a month, for transit used.
It's possible, maybe a debit card can be created for the systems. The
ideas are endless.
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In Reply to: [6]CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL for
WIN95, large fonts, and this web site) posted by Idnaflesymem on July
23, 1997 at 22:59:29:
So assume I get Netscape. How do I "tell" AOL to use Netscape for the
browser rather than IE, which obviously is what AOL is using?
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Posted by Ray on July 24, 1997 at 10:49:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: switch routes for Rockaway/Culver posted by Andrew
Huie on July 24, 1997 at 02:35:34:
You could do the switching south of West 4th Street. Might not be the
worst idea long-term. As the west side of Manhattan is becoming more
desirable for businesses, additional 8th Ave & 6th Ave services might
make sense. The only problem would be that northbound 8th Avenue
trains would have go al the way uptown to be turned back, unless 59th
street has a track configuration that permits turn-arounds. Northbound
6th Avenue trains would have to to 21st Street to be turned around, or
even further east once the connection to Queens Blvd services is
complete.
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Posted by Steve on July 24, 1997 at 11:12:36:
I read an article from the Associated Press concerning the nostalgia
of the subway token. In the article there was mention of an
establishment called New York City Subway Line run by Lynn Lambert.
Does anyone know where this establishment is located or how to
contact? According to the article there's suppossed to be a t-shirt
available with a facsimile of a token on it. Thanks , Steve
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 24, 1997 at 12:53:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City with best mass Transit posted by Fred Wellman
on July 23, 1997 at 18:03:22:
By one fare on Septa is meant using a Trailpass for one of the zones.
The Zone 5-6 pass allows riding everywhere on Septa, as that is the
highest zone number. It is an unlimited pass in that you can ride as
many times as you want, and transfer as often as you want. Here's a
scenario to illustrate this:
Joe Blow is an MBA student from Exton (on the Paoli Downingtown R5
line). he commutes in every day to 30th St. to attend Wharton using
his zone 5 trailpass. Many Thursdays, the Phillies have an afternoon
game. Since Joe has no classes Thursday afternoon, he decides to put
off his work and meet a buddy in Center City for lunch. So he hops on
the subway -surface cars (a trolley subway for the Philadelphia
illiterate) and rides in to 15th St. to meet his friend who works for
the city - lets say he is a Financial Analyst. After lunch, joe and
our analyst friend (putting his sick time to good use no doubt) they
take the Broad St. Subway down to the game, which the Phillies lose by
at least 15 runs, as usual. Then joe goes to meet his girlfriend, who
lives in Oak Lane. He rides the Broad St. express to Fern Rock and
gets a bus to take him to upper Old York Rd. After having a pleasant
evening with her, he hops a R5 train at Melrose Park, and rides home
to Downingtown.
At the end of this day, Joe has had to do no more to ride all these
different modes and to transfer than show his pass. In fact, he got a
very good use out of it.
My point being, I don't know of another city you can do this in -
transfer freely between Bus/Trolley to Subway to Train via one pass
(except maybe Boston). You certainly can't in New York, where if we
had Joe living in Poughkeepsie and attending NYU, and seeing a Yankees
game and visiting a girlfired in Hempstead, he'd be paying multiple
fares throughout the day.
Andy Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 24, 1997 at 12:57:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd Ave. Subway Plans (was Regional Express plan (
Rx )) posted by blaise on July 23, 1997 at 03:43:32:
That is actually the general plan, if you look at the 2nd Ave.
documents on this site. However the tracks you are thinking of are not
Amtrak - they are old New York, Westchester and Boston tracks, which
end up at 180th St. on the Dyre Ave. line. The plan was to swing under
the East River and connect in the old yard in the S. Bronx at 132nd
St., then continue northwards with a stop in Hunts Point to connect to
the 6.
Andy Byler
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 24, 1997 at 13:02:39:
In Reply to: [6]Tokens and T-shirts posted by Steve on July 24, 1997
at 11:12:36:
The Transit Museum gift shop has lots of different t-shirt designs,
one of which probably has a token on it.
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Believe it or not, there is one location on the entire MTA New York
City Transit system where you do not have to use the Metrocard Gold to
transfer from subway to bus (and vice versa). The Rockaway Parkway
station of the BMT "L" 14th Street-Canarsie Line offers a direct
loading area between the train platform and the even level roadway
that is still used by B42 buses that operate to and from the Canarsie
Shore in Brooklyn. However, free transfer to the other buses at this
location you must use the Metrocard gold as well as that at 149th
Street-Third Avenue in the Bronx between the IRT #2 and #5 subway
lines and the BX55 Limited Stop Buses.
Sincerely,
William A. Padron
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 24, 1997 at 16:56:50:
In Reply to: [5]Free Subway-To-Bus Transfer Without Metrocard Gold
posted by William A. Padron on July 24, 1997 at 14:40:50:
This practice dates back to when the Canarsie Line was cut back from
the pier to Rockaway Parkway. The original free transfer was to the
trolley, since converted to bus.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 24, 1997 at 17:26:16:
In Reply to: [6]Free Subway-To-Bus Transfer Without Metrocard Gold
posted by William A. Padron on July 24, 1997 at 14:40:50:
Actually I believe you can make the transfer ANYWHERE without
Metrocard Gold. I think the Gold card just allows 4 people to transfer
on 1 card, only one transfer for the Blue.
The point is moot anyway unless you had a really full Blue card and
haven't used it up yet.
--Dave
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Posted by Bingo on July 24, 1997 at 18:27:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Bus Service Fleet posted by Wayne Johnson
on July 23, 1997 at 09:52:31:
Those Orion V buses are pieces of crap. They are extremely jittery and
can knock you off your feet when the gears change, the bus slows down
or accelerates. They are badly designed and cheaply built, with no
design consideration taken for the passenger, just the transit
company. These buses were not meant to last like the GM buses. Both
are very much in service in Toronto.
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Posted by Brian on July 24, 1997 at 18:38:39:
If the Transit Authorities from the following cities told you you
could renovate
an old subway or EL Line, which one would you pick and what would you
do??
Please do each city seperate or only do as many as you have been to:
New York
Chicago
Paris
Other ( Pick one city on your own, if you can think of another one)
If I did Chicago I would re-do the Cermak/Douglas Branch of the Blue
Line.
I would eliminate some silly stations for little streets and have it
stop at
the same ones the Congress Branch does, except maybe for a few.
I would re paint the El Structure with the help of anyone who wanted
to help.
All the stations would be designed in a different way with some theme.
The 54th/Cermak Terminal would be the best one with signs to the park
and ride
lot and All trains to city and then Ohare signs.
They all would have tv's protected by the new glass that could be shot
at or
anything and not break! The station agents would be really nice and
encourge you
to ride!
I would look to the government for funding to Berwyn, Maybe Oak Park
Avenue
and offer express service like the Purple Line. Have a new shuttle
line between
54th/Cermak and the Berwyn stop, maybe the pink line ( we here in
Chicago color
code everything).
All the stations would be handicapped accessible with elevators.
you should be much more descroptive if you want to or you can be
breif.
I would appreciate more descriptive
Thanks and can't wait to hear your ideas!!!!!
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In Reply to: [5]Re: CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL
for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site) posted by Dave on July 24,
1997 at 10:34:42:
Just run Netscape
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In Reply to: [6]Re: CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL
for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site) posted by NO on July 24,
1997 at 18:43:42:
Make shure your winsock.dll is loaded you can tell AOL to do that
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Posted by subway-buff on July 24, 1997 at 19:47:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Free Subway-To-Bus Transfer Without Metrocard Gold
posted by David Pirmann on July 24, 1997 at 17:26:16:
There is another Free Subway to Bus Transfer (and reverse) from the
BX55 to from the 2/5 train at 149/ 3 ave. This was started when the 3
ave el was torn down in the Bronx.
There used to be a third freebie- M train (the current "stub" to Jay
Street A Train. The old maps also indicated a temporary free bus on
the J el that was torn down before the new Archer Ave Subway opened.
ANother J freebie was from Marcy Street to the Fulton Ferry" (Source:
Same old map)
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POSTER>NO
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Posted by NO on July 24, 1997 at 20:53:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Free Subway-To-Bus Transfer Without Metrocard Gold
posted by subway-buff on July 24, 1997 at 19:47:44:
Those transfers are there now, so are 468 other bus-subway transfer
points.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL
for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site) posted by Zack on July 24,
1997 at 19:31:54:
No, AOL will not run if you don't have the AOL Adapter and TCP/IP
protocol loaded and bound.
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Posted by Fred Wellman on July 24, 1997 at 22:06:15:
In Reply to: [5]Septa's Universal Pass ( was Re: City with best mass
Transit) posted by Andrew Byler on July 24, 1997 at 12:53:42:
I agree using a pass that can all be done. You are right about MBTA
being
the same. Cleveland used to be I am not sure now.
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In Reply to: [5]CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL for
WIN95, large fonts, and this web site) posted by Idnaflesymem on July
23, 1997 at 22:59:29:
The real cure is to dump AOL (and those hourly charges) and get a real
Internet provider that flat-rate charges. I used to have CompuServe
(and $50 per month charges) and dumped it for a local provider that
charges $100.00 per year, gives unlimited access and has no time
limit.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 25, 1997 at 00:31:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Septa's Universal Pass ( was Re: City with best
mass Transit) posted by Fred Wellman on July 24, 1997 at 22:06:15:
In Baltimore, the MTA offers 3 umlimited types of passes:
1. The Day Pass: $3.00 buys a pass good for unlimited riding on all
MTA routes (bus, subway and Light Rail) on that day until Midnight.
2. The Weekly Pass: $14.00 buys a pass good as above for 7 days
(Sunday to Saturday)
3. The Monthly Pass: $54.00 buys a pass good for the calendar month.
Passes permit reverse riding, multiple vehicle trips, and are great
for rail and bus fans - hop on and off at great photo spots.
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 25, 1997 at 08:00:04:
The NY Times reports today they've concluded their investigations into
the two derailments.
To summarize, July 4'th Harlem derailment was caused by a worker
repairing another switch in that area mistakenly causing the wrong
switch to operate; and the July 11 Brooklyn incident was caused by a
faulty relay which would have prevented operation of the switch by the
tower...
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on July 25, 1997 at 09:26:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: RERUN ALERT!!!! posted by Andrew Huie on July 24,
1997 at 02:52:22:
They used a pretty good mock-up of a Low-V (They shot the show LIVE),
and for the transitional shots they used a lot of footage from that
one Board of Transpotation short from circa 1948-9. Of course half the
shots are of IND R units!! But they did a good job faking the "subway
car pulling into a station.
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Posted by Jeff Magid on July 25, 1997 at 09:30:57:
I'm trying to figure out how to get from:
- 59th Street and Lexington to the Kings County Courthouse (on Adams
St.)
then from
Kings County Courthouse (on Adams Street) to Penn Station
any route geniuses out there?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 25, 1997 at 10:03:57:
In Reply to: [5]Route posted by Jeff Magid on July 25, 1997 at
09:30:57:
To Kings County Courthouse
**4 or 5 from 59-Lex to Borough Hall (1st stop in Brooklyn) or
**N or R from 59-Lex to Court St.-Boro hall (1st stop in Bklyn) or
Lawrence St.
To Penna. Station
**N or R from Court St-Boro Hall or Lawrence St. to 34 St-6 Av. Walk 1
block west, Ride back of train and exit at 32d St end.
**2 or 3 from Borough Hall to Penn Station
**A or C from Jay St-Boro Hall to Penn Station
**F from Jay St-Boro Hall to 34 St-6 Av. [See further on N or R above]
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on July 25, 1997 at 10:21:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: switch routes for Rockaway/Culver posted by Andrew
Huie on July 24, 1997 at 02:35:34:
The old IRT routing used to be like this: Broadway-7th ave services
used to north of 96th St,whereas 7th Ave. services went up the cutoff.
They changed this after they changed the IRT platforms to accomodate
the R-units in the 1950's.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 25, 1997 at 10:53:24:
In Reply to: [5]Derailment Investigations Concluded posted by David
Pirmann on July 25, 1997 at 08:00:04:
Thanks, Dave. Anyone who cares can access the NY Times on-line for the
full story. Interestingly, now that I think about it, I took the
NYCTA's Derailment/Collision Seminar back in 1981, I think it was. One
of the role-plays we did dealt with a similar situation as the recent
IRT derailment. Switch gets thrown under a passing train, etc. I, as a
lowly analyst, suggested that there was a false signal aspect allowing
such to happen. The signal maintainer in the "Committee" blustered
that there was no way in the world that that could happen. Life
imitates art imitates life, I guess.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 25, 1997 at 14:49:29:
In Reply to: [6]Baltimore's Passes (WAS:Re: Septa's Universal Pass )
posted by Dan Lawrence on July 25, 1997 at 00:31:38:
The problem with Baltimore's passes (and those in New Jersey, New
York, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.) is that you cannot ride the
commuter rail and the city transit on the same pass. You've been able
to do this on Septa for years. It is especially disgraceful in New
York, New Jersey, and Chicago, where the same agency has run the
trains and the transit for years, and they still have not gotten their
act together on this. new York especially, consdering the large number
of people who must ride a subway or bus to reach their final
destination from the commuter trains. At least Baltimore, Washington,
and the rest can plead multiple overlapping systems.
I forgot one other benefit of Septa, that is lacking (for now) in
Boston. Septa's commuter rail runs through center city from suburb to
suburb, which is where much of the commuting action is these days. Now
if they could only get their act togehter and get some service using
the ex Reading and PRR near the King of Prussia / Valley Forge area
(the second largest employment center in the region) ...
Andy Byler
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Posted by Jeff Magid on July 25, 1997 at 15:15:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Route posted by Charles Fiori on July 25, 1997 at
10:03:57:
Thank you Mr. Fiori, o route king. I appreciate the feedback.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL
for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site) posted by Dan Lawrence on
July 25, 1997 at 00:17:58:
I have AOL and I do not have hourly charges. It is a flat rate per
month.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 25, 1997 at 15:36:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Baltimore's Passes (WAS:Re: Septa's Universal Pass
) posted by Andrew Byler on July 25, 1997 at 14:49:29:
Although NJ Transit doesn't have an integrated pass, it has a separate
bus and rail passes. The bus pass can be used on all NJT and NJT
contract bus lines and the Newark subway. Rail passes can be used on
the commuter rail lines and also on busses for a small charge ("feeder
fare").
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Posted by jgraisin on July 25, 1997 at 22:49:22:
Does anyone know the Saturday nite schedule from NYC to Jersey City
by Path train? This info. would be appreciated A.S.A.P
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Posted by John on July 25, 1997 at 23:49:29:
In Reply to: [5]pathtrain schedule posted by jgraisin on July 25, 1997
at 22:49:22:
At night, trains usually run every 20-30 minutes.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 25, 1997 at 23:56:33:
Does anybody have any information about the old Cedar St. subway in
Newark? When was it shut down? Where did it go? What stops were along
the line? Do any stations still exist? Did NJ Transit ever operate the
Cedar St. subway? Any information would be appreciated.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 26, 1997 at 00:56:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Baltimore's Passes (WAS:Re: Septa's Universal Pass
) posted by Andrew Byler on July 25, 1997 at 14:49:29:
That's one thing I'll say is good about the Baltimore & Washington
transportation systems is the ease in connecting from one form to
another--whether it be light rail to the MARC Commuter Rail at Camden
Yards in Baltimore or from Amtrak or MARC at Union Station in DC to
the Metrorail, and this ability continues to grow, the light rail will
open this fall three new extensions to of which go to major
transportation centers in Baltimore, one to BWI and the other to Penn
Station (Amtrak). In DC, it's not quite so near perfection. They are
still going through the planning stages to get an extension of the
Orange Line from West Falls Church to Dulles Int'l Airport. One bright
note though is that the new North Terminal of Washington Nat'l Airport
just opened a few weeks ago and it has DIRECT access to the Metro
Station on the Blue & Yellow Lines.
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Posted by BF on July 26, 1997 at 13:03:17:
Can anyone tell me if the 4 train is still screwed up on weekends
going into manhattan from Brooklyn? I had hoped that this info would
be available on the MTA site but no... The last few times I took it
there were major delays plus we had to get off at Bowling Green and
change trains very slowly.
I'd appreciate a fast response.
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POSTER>Pauline Paul
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SUBJECT>Directions wanted immediately
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Posted by Pauline Paul on July 26, 1997 at 13:05:35:
I need directions from Maple Street in Brooklyn to 211 West 61st
Street
I am very lost and don't know how to travel to classes.
I would appreciate the help.
Thanks
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Crime In the Subways - Update
DATE>Aug 25 19:56:48 1997
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Posted by Steve on July 26, 1997 at 15:03:03:
Early this morning (7/25) a priest from Ireland, riding an A train in
Rockaway was accosted by four miscreants who demanded his wallet.
Although the priest gave up his wallet and the $15 it contained, these
sub-humans slashed the priest's face with a broken bottle. The four,
ages 16, 15, 15 & 14, were arrested a short time later.
Since the NYPD and the transit police merged, there has been a
reduction in the number of police riding trains and patroling
stations. There has also been a corresponding increase in fare
beating, radio playing and smoking on the trains. The "quality of
life" type crime increase is a pretty fair indicator that there will
be a resurgence of violent crime on the subways.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 26, 1997 at 16:01:58:
Can someone help me in obtaining info on the construction of a subway
in San Juan or San Turce Puerto Rico? I've looked on the web and have
only found one picture of construction plans of a station. Im looking
for more details and plans. Anyone have a info please e mail me or
post it.
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Posted by subway-buff on July 26, 1997 at 17:31:23:
In Reply to: [6]Directions wanted immediately posted by Pauline Paul
on July 26, 1997 at 13:05:35:
You are near Flatbush Ave near the Zoo? Right ?
Walk to Prospect Park and Cross Flatbush Avenue. AT flatbush and Empre
Blvd you will see a cross street at an angle this is Ocean ave. The
station entrance is on Flatbush Ave (The side closer to the park.)
Take an uptown D train. This train will have the Letter " D" in an
orange circle on the front of the train opposite the engineer
(motorman/train operator). Take this train to the 59th Street Coumbus
Circle Station. Walk North (if the park is beside you are going the
right way) to 61 Street. You will be on Central Park West. Walk to 61
Street and turn left. Good luck
signed- Subway-buff
(with luck soon to be NYCT employee!)
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 26, 1997 at 18:58:37:
In Reply to: [6]pathtrain schedule posted by jgraisin on July 25, 1997
at 22:49:22:
see [7]Path Schedule on the web.
--Dave
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Posted by subway-buff on July 26, 1997 at 19:31:50:
In Reply to: [6]Paris Metro not Airconditioned posted by Brian From
Chicago on July 19, 1997 at 16:10:43:
Here's an interesting piece of trivia. NYC still has some un
airconditioned trains on the #7. The lines uses 11 car trains
consisting of 5 "married pairs" and one trailer car. This trailer car
was not rebuilt with ac due to cost. SOURCE: NY SUBWAY CARS.
(When the redbirds finally roll their last *then* all NYCT trains in
revenue service will be air conditioned. (Of course-if it works!)
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Posted by Steve on July 26, 1997 at 20:09:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paris Metro not Airconditioned posted by
subway-buff on July 26, 1997 at 19:31:50:
There are 36 R-33s assigned to the Corona fleet which are not Air
Conditioned. During the summer months, the #7 line cuts its trains
from 11 to 10 cars due to this. BTW - they are referred to as single
car units as opposed to married pairs. Trailer cars have no traction
motors which these certainly do. In addition, there are 10 R-32s which
were also rebuilt by GE which have no AC. They are assigned to the
207th Street shop and like the R-33s, they are not used during the
summer.
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Posted by subway-buff on July 26, 1997 at 20:42:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: tunnels posted by John on July 17, 1997 at
23:53:24:
Does anyone have a site for the Ferry?
I think I can answer your question about the boats. They are the
newest boats in the SI Ferry fleet- the Austen Class. They have 4 V-12
engines and usually run at top speed of 24-26 knots. They are
nicknamed floating buses because of the bus like seats.
The ferry people are also trying to decide what to do with their
Kennedy class boats (their car boats such as the Kennedy, American
Legion, etc.) since they are nearing the end of their lifespan-
overhaul or replace.
SOURCE: 1996 trip with Transit musuem to Ferry.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on July 26, 1997 at 21:08:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Directions wanted immediately posted by
subway-buff on July 26, 1997 at 17:31:23:
Good luck subway what kind of job
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Posted by subway-buff on July 26, 1997 at 22:51:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Directions wanted immediately posted by Joe M on
July 26, 1997 at 21:08:51:
Not Yet ! Interview is 8/11/97 for Station Agent. Did I pass this
test.
B=)
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POSTER>Jason R. DeCesare
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Posted by Jason R. DeCesare on July 26, 1997 at 23:21:27:
In Reply to: [6]What Would You Save? posted by Lou on July 18, 1997 at
13:27:28:
On the subway side:
All of the current museum fleet, of course.
One full 11 car train of R-33s/R-36s from the Flushing Line, repainted
in Worlds Fair livery.
Two of each of the Redbirds.
Two R-40s, R-40Ms, R-42s, R-44s, R-46s
(I have a feeling that the R-62s and R-68s will still be running in
2025.)
The two new tech trains
On the Metro-North side:
Two FL-9s, a few sets of M-1s and M-3s, and two ACMU-1100s
On the LIRR side:
A few sets of M-1s and M-3s, some of those neat old diesel hauled
coaches
PATH:
The older PA series equipment and some K cars
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POSTER>Brian Bacuzzi
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Posted by Brian Bacuzzi on July 27, 1997 at 04:34:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by Julio Perez on July
23, 1997 at 07:30:37:
In regards to Miami getting a light rail subway... is it possible?
Aren't the water tables too high for that?
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POSTER>Brian Bacuzzi
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Posted by Brian Bacuzzi on July 27, 1997 at 04:34:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: High speed Subways posted by Julio Perez on July
23, 1997 at 07:30:37:
In regards to Miami getting a light rail subway... is it possible?
Isn't the water table too high for that?
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Posted by Frankr on July 27, 1997 at 09:22:13:
Your collection of PCC cars' pictures is fine, except for the omission
of Pittsburgh. Pittburgh Railways had 660 PCC cars, and PAT still has
a dozen left and in shuttle service between Drake and Castle Shannon.
PA Trolley Museum (see their web page) has several in Pgh Rys livery.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on July 27, 1997 at 11:17:16:
In Reply to: [5]PCC Cars posted by Frankr on July 27, 1997 at
09:22:13:
There is a section on Pittsburgh PCC's
On the PCC on the WWW go to other cities then Pittsburgh
You have to click on the pictures referenced in the text
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Posted by Paul J. Weiss on July 27, 1997 at 12:49:46:
There is a huge amount of construction on Northern Blvd., 39 Ave and
31 St.
It would appear that the Q train from 21st Street Queensbridge is
being
connected to the E F N and G lines just East of Queens Plaza.
Does anyone know for sure what this project is about. What are the
final
route plans and estimated date of completion?
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 27, 1997 at 13:11:00:
In Reply to: [6]Q and F trains - Connection being built? posted by
Paul J. Weiss on July 27, 1997 at 12:49:46:
A connection is being built from the 21St. station to the Queens Blvd
line. THe project will be complete in the year 2000 or 2001. Im not
sure however what the plan is as far as what routing the TA will use
for this new connection.
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Posted by Steve on July 27, 1997 at 14:21:35:
In Reply to: [6]Q and F trains - Connection being built? posted by
Paul J. Weiss on July 27, 1997 at 12:49:46:
The 21st St. connection is being built at that site. The projected
completion date is 2001. At that point, the Q train will be extended
to Continental Avenue and the R train to 179th St. BTW - the
construction site is referred to as north of Queens Plaza not east.
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 27, 1997 at 16:42:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCC Cars posted by Joe M on July 27, 1997 at
11:17:16:
Speaking of which, Newark's PCC cars are scheduled to be replaced in a
year or two. This is a dumb idea, as they are the best maintained PCC
cars anywhere, and they're only 50! Does anyone know what's going to
happen to these cars?
Charlie Bonaire
PS If they're up for grabs, I got dibs on Car 13.
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Posted by John on July 27, 1997 at 16:43:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: tunnels posted by subway-buff on July 26, 1997 at
20:42:21:
How old is the Kennedy Class?
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Posted by Jeff on July 27, 1997 at 18:02:07:
Where I can find old NYCTA maps? And when are those new subway cars
going to be in use? You can e-mail me for your responses.
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Posted by Jeff on July 27, 1997 at 18:27:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 23,
1997 at 23:03:27:
Does anyone know where all the new buses will be assigned?
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Posted by Zack on July 27, 1997 at 20:14:32:
do cars that are sitting around and out of service get inspected every
66 days??? or do they just sit and rot???
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Posted by Zack on July 27, 1997 at 20:14:47:
do cars that are sitting around and out of service get inspected every
66 days??? or do they just sit and rot???
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 27, 1997 at 21:35:45:
In Reply to: [6]Can Anyone tell me.... posted by Jeff on July 27, 1997
at 18:02:07:
You can generally find old maps for sale at train memoribilia shows,
like Hoboken Festival or the upcoming Fall Trolley Extravaganza in
King of Prussia, PA.
As for "when the new cars will be in use", it's not like they are
sitting around in a yard doing nothing. No new cars have been
delivered yet and none are expected till late next year or 1999.
--Dave
p.s. one note about etiquette.. if you post here expect to find
replies here rather than in email.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 27, 1997 at 21:37:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCC Cars posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 27,
1997 at 16:42:37:
Well about the same time NJT is done with them, San Francisco will be
in the market for a few new ones to service the
Embarcadero-Fisherman's Wharf line currently under construction. I
expect to see them go there or to some other startup trolley
project...
--Dave
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Posted by John on July 27, 1997 at 22:13:07:
In Reply to: [5]Do out of service cars get inspected posted by Zack on
July 27, 1997 at 20:14:47:
If they are out of service, I don't see any reason for them to be
inspected. I'm sure that if they had to be put back in service for
whatever reason, they would be closely inspected beforehand.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 27, 1997 at 22:16:56:
In Reply to: [6]Puerto Rico subway construction? posted by Fernando
Perez on July 26, 1997 at 16:01:58:
Fernando,
You might try writing to LTK Engineering Services of Blue Bell, PA.
They are one of the engineering firms involved in the contract.
Address is:
Two Valley Square
Suite 300
512 Township Line Rd.
Blue Bell, PA 19422
The engineering firm DMJM is also involved.
There was also some information in the magazine "Civil Enigneering"
published by the American Society of Civil Engineers during the past
12 months in an article. You should be able to find that at a local
University library, or at the main branch (42nd St.) of the New York
public library. Failing that, try interlibrary loan.
Good luck!
Andy
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Posted by subway-buff on July 27, 1997 at 22:20:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: tunnels posted by John on July 27, 1997 at
16:43:52:
I think they date back to 1964.
One correction- the class of boats you asked about are the Berretti
Class and not the Austen Class- I am sorry B-)
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Posted by subway-buff on July 27, 1997 at 22:27:03:
Today I went on a tour witht he Transit museum of the Manhattan and
Williamsburg Bridges. At the Willie B the engineer in charge said that
after the Brooklyn Bound Roadway rebuid is completed they will tear
down the Tracks from Essex ro Marcy and completely rebuild in 5
months. Her showed us where the already have some footings in place
for the new track structure which will still be in the present
location and same general alignment except they plan on reducing the
sharpness of the S curve at the Marcy Station approach.
Opinion: I have a feeling that the 5 months is overly
optomistic.(We'll see!)
I think this answers the question whether the J will be here in 2020 !
The bridge is being rebuilt to last another 100 years.
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Posted by John on July 27, 1997 at 22:32:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by David Pirmann on July 27, 1997
at 21:37:15:
I take the Newark Subway all the time, and I have been doing so for
many years. Because the PCCs have been in service for so long on that
line, and since that was the only type of trolley car used on that
line for decades, they have become a legend (at least to Newark
residents and frequent users of the City Subway) and the Newark Subway
has become associated with its PCC workhorses . I have grown attached
to these cars over the years, as have many other people, and the #7 -
Newark City Subway just won't be the same without its legendary PCC
trolley cars roaring through Branch Brook Park.
BTW - What happened to the cars that were painted white with blue and
red stripes? Were they just repainted to match the other black-white
cars, or were they removed from service?
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Posted by J passenger on July 28, 1997 at 02:10:17:
In Reply to: [5]williamsburg Bridge Subway Service posted by
subway-buff on July 27, 1997 at 22:27:03:
Wait a minute, so where will the J/M/Z trains go during the five
months?
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Posted by aaron on July 28, 1997 at 09:08:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Outdated Signs posted by Memyselfandi on July 23,
1997 at 22:08:53:
At the entrance to the 57th St/Ave Americas station on the Southeast
Corner, you can see the signs for the old JFK express covered over.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on July 28, 1997 at 09:13:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: re: Buses posted by Jeff on July 27, 1997 at
18:27:18:
Which new buses are you referring to? The New Flyer articulateds were
assigned to the Kingsbridge Depot (Bronx Division) They are operating
on routes Bx1, Bx2, Bx41 & Bx55. All CNG buses (34 BIA/Orion V) are
assgined to Jackie Gleason Depot in Brooklyn.
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SUBJECT>The NY subway & how popular it & its tokens REALLY are.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 28, 1997 at 11:16:07:
Imagine my surprise when I was reading our little rinky-dink hometown
newspaper on Saturday (7/26) and there was an article about the NY
subway slowly phasing out the token. It pictured a woman named Lynne
Lambert posing in fron of a subway car w/ the motorman looking out &
she's holding a handful of assorted subway tokens.
The thing that really surprised me is that I live in West Virginia
(from the Baltimore/ Washington area) and the newspaper is the
Cumberland Times/News located in Cumberland, Maryland and for those of
you who don't know where this is--it's in the mountains of EXTREME
western Maryland (about 30 mi. of Bedford, PA). Ususally what I read
about is a local youth falling off a mountain stone drunk or another
blue-collar factory shutting down. The last thing I expected was an
article on the tokens of the NY subway. I guess it just goes to show
how EVERYBODY in ALL walks of life identify the word "subway" with the
city of New York. For those of you who would like to see the article,
don't know if you access past articles but the times/news DOES have
its own web site. www.times-news.com
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POSTER>Joshua Caesar
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on July 28, 1997 at 11:35:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH NWK service (was WTC service) posted by John
on July 23, 1997 at 22:34:17:
John wrote " Why doesn't PATH have direct service between 33rd Street
and Newark, or Hoboken and Newark?"
I always wonder this myself. The direct service from Hoboken to Newark
could be cordinated with NJT trains, so that riders on trains bound
for New York Penn could go to Hoboken. As for extending 33rd service
past JSQ to Newark, this is the one that really gets me. How hard
could it be to do? It would get rid of all the waiting crowds at
Journal Square, and certainley make many Newark bound commutes faster.
I don't think it would help Manhattan bpound riders much, aas they
would probably spend the same time waiting for a 33rd street train in
Newark or Journal Square.
JC
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 28, 1997 at 12:25:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by John on July 27, 1997 at
22:32:50:
I believe that the white with red and blue stripes scheme was the
first NJT paint scheme. All remaining cars were repainted into the
current NJT paint scheme. Of the original 30 cars, several were
wrecked and at least 2 were sold to the RTA in Cleveland. One of those
(or one of the original Twin Cities cars sold to Shaker Heights) was
obtained by the Minnesota Transportation Museum (Como-Harriet
Streetcar Line) and is being restored to its orginal TCRT condition.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on July 28, 1997 at 13:15:56:
In Reply to: [5]Crime In the Subways - Update posted by Steve on July
26, 1997 at 15:03:03:
I guess I have to disagree with you,but just because there are
scattered instences all the time on the subway..does not mean that
violant crime on the whole system is going to rise.And even though its
kinda annoying radio playing(i was riding the Staten Island Ferry,and
i listened to it all the way across)is not really hurting
anybody,especially since its usually is played when the train is very
much not full and its not crime,its just one of those things that we
wished wasnt there.And smoking,come on,are you saying that violant
crime is rising in local donut shops...some just dont care about what
other people are thinking about them,then why would they be worried
about smokin on a train?It doesnt mean that there going to turn into
the people from "The Incident".
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POSTER>subway-buff
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Posted by subway-buff on July 28, 1997 at 17:32:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: williamsburg Bridge Subway Service posted by J
passenger on July 28, 1997 at 02:10:17:
I do not know. I just thought you'd be happy that with a rebuild that
the J/Z is staying!
I have not yet foudn out what (in 1999) will happen to the trains
while the bridge tracks are closed.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: Puerto Rico subway construction?
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 28, 1997 at 19:03:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Puerto Rico subway construction? posted by Andrew
Byler on July 27, 1997 at 22:16:56:
Thanks!
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 28, 1997 at 20:10:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Puerto Rico subway construction? posted by
Fernando Perez on July 28, 1997 at 19:03:51:
Fernando,
You're welcome.
One other note. I think DMJM's full name is Dogulas, Mendenhall,
Johnson, and Mann. I may have the two M's mixed up. Try the business
to business white pages or the internet to find their address (I think
they have a New York office).
Andy
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on July 28, 1997 at 20:11:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Puerto Rico subway construction? posted by
Fernando Perez on July 28, 1997 at 19:03:51:
Oops, one other note!
When you write LTK, address your mail to Hank Raudenbush. He was the
enigneer on the project who had the track map and other info when I
was there. Tell him I sent you - he should remember me.
Andy
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Posted by Zack on July 28, 1997 at 20:56:29:
is the Ta going to rebulid the J/Z line???
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 28, 1997 at 22:18:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by David Pirmann on July 27, 1997
at 21:37:15:
I hope you are right about this, Dave, but SF's recent history has
been "Go with the unproven new technology".
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 28, 1997 at 22:19:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCC Cars posted by Dan Lawrence on July 28, 1997
at 12:25:08:
Thanks to those who answered my question.
Back when I was a juvenile delinquent, Public Service ran the City
Subway and painted the PCCs a handsome gray and white. We were
fascinated by the line, especially the phantom spurs that once linked
to streetcar lines. I haven't been to Newark in many years, but it
will be a sad day when the PCCs go.
Also, I know a few were wrecked but never learned the details. (I'd
guess the accidents happened where the cars cross Orange Street, near
where we lived.) Does anyone know?
While we're on the subject, if anyone knows where I can find a copy of
"The Newark City Subway Lines" by John Harrington Riley (1987), please
let me know.
CB
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POSTER>NO ROOM
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCT Cars Sans HVAC
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Posted by NO ROOM on July 28, 1997 at 23:05:26:
In Reply to: [5]NYCT Cars Sans HVAC posted by Steve on July 26, 1997
at 20:09:01:
Why didn't these R32s get AC? THe R33s didn't get AC not because of
cost,
but because there's no room.
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Posted by NO TRANSIT on July 28, 1997 at 23:38:01:
I need to know more about this and Personal Rapid Transit in general
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POSTER>Derek Nisbett
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Posted by Derek Nisbett on July 28, 1997 at 23:40:52:
In Reply to: [5]Puerto Rico subway construction? posted by Fernando
Perez on July 26, 1997 at 16:01:58:
Fernando,
The official name of the San Juan transit system is called the
Tren Urbano. Siemens Transit Team of Puerto Rico has won the contract.
Juan R. Requena Associates of P.R, engineers; Alternate Concepts of
Boston are also part of the project. Completion of the project is
scheduled for 2001. Information was gathered from the Metro issue of
July/August 1996 pg 8, there is also a picture of the model cars.
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POSTER>NO SERVICE
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Posted by NO SERVICE on July 29, 1997 at 00:09:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH NWK service (was WTC service) posted by
Joshua Caesar on July 28, 1997 at 11:35:28:
But NJT DOES Have direct service from Newark to Hoboken.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 29, 1997 at 00:17:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: re: Buses posted by Jeff on July 27, 1997 at
18:27:18:
All the new Orions CNGs will be going to Jackie Gleason depot where a
new cng fueling station is going to be built. Articulates are going to
Kingsbridge and then Flatbush depot in Brooklyn. New RTS's and Low
floor New Flyers are being split up to all Department of Buses depot
according to what the big wigs decide!
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Posted by Steve on July 29, 1997 at 01:03:46:
In Reply to: [6]Do out of service cars get inspected posted by Zack on
July 27, 1997 at 20:14:47:
Out of service cars do get inspected. While the 66 day window may be
stretched, the AS400 computer system tracks every car by mileage and
by time between inspections. When a car is not inspected within either
the mileage window or the time window, it is 'flagged' by the
computer.
Even though a car may be out of service for an extended period of
time, it makes sense to continue to inspect it regularly. Though it is
not running in service, out of service cars may be moved often around
the yard. In addition, although not in service, the cars batteries and
air systems continue to operate and must be checked periodically.
There are exceptions to this, of course. Cars which are at the
overhaul shop for heavy repairs ( from collision or fire for example)
, would not be inspected.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on July 29, 1997 at 01:19:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Crime In the Subways - Update posted by Bryan
Layne on July 28, 1997 at 13:15:56:
Feel free to disagree with me. However, I think most NYPD brass agree
with me about 'quality of life' crimes and their relation to major
crimes although they would really disagree with me about less cops on
the subway. The major lesson learned in recent years, by the police,
is that the people who commit the so called 'quality of life' offenses
are more likely to be the same ones who commit the vilent crimes
(although - not in every case). As on example I can site the sweeps
for 'Fare Beating'. Do you realize that more than 80% of those picked
up for fare evasion are jailed for reasons other than the evasion.
They are found to have outstanding warrants or are carrying weapons or
drugs or are wanted on other charges.
Another example of this is how the TA combats graffiti. The psychology
is quite simple. Thw reward for the graffiti vandal is to see his
'TAG' on a train. The TA policy is to take a train with graffiti
out-of-service for cleaning. The vandal never gets his reward. That's
why you very rarely see the mural type of graffiti which dominated in
the 70s and early 80s.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on July 29, 1997 at 01:24:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Cars Sans HVAC posted by NO ROOM on July 28,
1997 at 23:05:26:
Where did you get your information? All but 36 R-33s are air
conditioned. It was the overhaul contract and not the size of the car.
Same with the R-32s. 585 R-32s, overhauled by Morrison Knudssen in
1988-89 are air conditioned while 10 overhauled bt Buffalo Transit
Services are not. I assure you that the 10 are the same size as the
other 585 cars.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 29, 1997 at 02:03:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 28,
1997 at 22:19:59:
I don't know anything about any crashes, but I wouldn't be surprised
if they took place at the Orange Street crossing (There are no gates
there!! Only a traffic light and the bell and horn of the trolley car
seperate it from a side-impact by a drunk driver).
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 29, 1997 at 02:12:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 28,
1997 at 22:19:59:
By the way, why do you have to "Pay As You Leave" on trips going
toward Franklin Avenue?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 29, 1997 at 02:17:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH NWK service (was WTC service) posted by NO
SERVICE on July 29, 1997 at 00:09:36:
For how much? 3 bucks? PATH: How much? 1 buck.
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: Are there ant R-30's left
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Posted by John on July 29, 1997 at 02:27:36:
In Reply to: [5]Are there ant R-30's left posted by Zack on July 29,
1997 at 02:24:50:
I know that there is one in the Transit Museum, and I'm sure that
there are many left.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 29, 1997 at 02:27:45:
In Reply to: [5]Are there ant R-30's left posted by Zack on July 29,
1997 at 02:24:50:
I know that there is one in the Transit Museum, and I'm sure that
there are many others left.
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POSTER>Zack
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SUBJECT>Re: Morgantown, WV PRT System
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Posted by Zack on July 29, 1997 at 02:29:07:
In Reply to: [6]Morgantown, WV PRT System posted by NO TRANSIT on July
28, 1997 at 23:38:01:
1. why dont you like subways and buses???
2. in the transfer section of this website there is a link i beleve
for PRT
3. PRT is a good concept and it is PUBLIC TRANSIT, even the cars are
owned by municapalities and there fore it is PUBLIC TRANSIT.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on July 29, 1997 at 08:42:29:
In Reply to: [6]Are there ant R-30's left posted by Zack on July 29,
1997 at 02:24:50:
Isn't that an R-27 in the museum?
There are at least two R30's still in the "museum fleet" area of Coney
Island.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on July 29, 1997 at 10:08:16:
In Reply to: [5]Are there ant R-30's left posted by Zack on July 29,
1997 at 02:24:50:
Is there a reason why all the train models start with "R"
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on July 29, 1997 at 10:08:27:
In Reply to: [5]Are there ant R-30's left posted by Zack on July 29,
1997 at 02:24:50:
Is there a reason why all the train models start with "R"?
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on July 29, 1997 at 11:20:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Morgantown, WV PRT System posted by Zack on July
29, 1997 at 02:29:07:
I live about 1 hr. from Morgantown and have ridden the PRT--it's
pretty decent. It would be better if it was bigger & went to the
stadium for WVU games, but, who knows. As for the system, what do you
want to know. I recently sent Dave Pirmann (web site host) a copy of
the PRT track map which he posted in the "transit systems worldwide"
section. It should give you a little insight. If you have any specific
questions--don't hesitate to e-mail me personnally. I also know that
in the "transit links" section, there is a section devoted to the PRT
at Morgantown.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on July 29, 1997 at 12:32:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by David L. on
July 29, 1997 at 10:08:27:
All capital program contracts dealing with rolling stock begin with an
R. Signals with an S, etc. There's more detail, but you get the idea.
Even a contract for manufacture of destination signs in the early
80's, R-31463, had an R number.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 29, 1997 at 12:33:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by John on July 29, 1997 at
02:03:08:
Two of the cars were wrecked in a rear-end collision in the subway.
Two were sold to RTA, 1 was scrapped after the roof of the old Cedar
St. subway (where it was stored) collapsed due to surface
construction. (I believe they were tearing down the Public Service
Terminal, but I may be wrong.)
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 29, 1997 at 12:50:08:
In Reply to: [5]Cedar Street Subway posted by John on July 25, 1997 at
23:56:33:
The Cedar Street Subway was the connector to the Public Service
Building. It was shut down when PSNJ converted the bulk of the surface
streetcar system to All-Service vehicles.
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Posted by subway-buff on July 29, 1997 at 16:20:30:
In Reply to: [6]rebuilding J/Z posted by Zack on July 28, 1997 at
20:56:29:
Yes- At least Essex Street to Marcy Ave. In 1999 the City will tear
down the tracks and EL from Essex to Marcy and * rebuild* in "5
months". Since the TA is putting ion new light up to and including E
Pkwy, I'ds say that at least to E pkwy it will be saved. Also, I think
the balance will be too! The last few Saturdays they've been
installing welded rail! I don't *think* they'd do that to tear it down
!
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on July 29, 1997 at 18:14:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: williamsburg Bridge Subway Service posted by
subway-buff on July 28, 1997 at 17:32:49:
As far as I know there is no other connection to the rest of the
subway system other the the Wille B?
The Archer extension even though two levels it is my understanding the
lines do not connect. What is going to happen if those cars need shop
service if this lasts for more than 5 months (Shall I say FDR 10
yeears?)
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on July 29, 1997 at 18:19:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Q and F trains - Connection being built? posted by
Fernando Perez on July 27, 1997 at 13:11:00:
I heard from a TA source that once the Queens Blvd connection is
finished and the Manhattan Bridge/Cannal Street rehab is done the Q
will run Broadway Express through 63rd St tunnel to 179th.
But we are talking Arther C. Clarke 2010 I think
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SUBJECT>Re: CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL for WIN95, large fonts,
DATE>Aug 25 19:57:43 1997
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In Reply to: [5]Re: CURE FOR AOL PROBLEMS: GET NETSCAPE (was Re: AOL
for WIN95, large fonts, and this web site) posted by John on July 25,
1997 at 15:29:37:
hate to say this AOL is flat rate $19.95 (including tax).
I use AOL 3.0 For Win95 but use Netscape on top of it. You don't get
the hotlinks or AOL Fav. places but much better than the AOL version
of IE.
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POSTER>Lou L
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Posted by Lou L on July 29, 1997 at 18:32:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What Would You Save? posted by William A. Padron
on July 18, 1997 at 14:26:32:
2025??
I would save a MetroCard, still think even with 10% off in Jan (buy10
get 11 rides) token will be around >G
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 29, 1997 at 18:39:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCC Cars posted by Dan Lawrence on July 29, 1997
at 12:33:16:
Dan, thanks for clarifying the crash thing. (I lost my bet re Orange
St. I've seen a few close ones there.)
It's fascinating to me that a subway car was stored in the old Cedar
Street station. The last time I was in that station (about '67), we
entered through Kresge's Department Store (R.I.P.), and there were
diesel buses coming through the tunnel! (I think Mr. Brennan mentions
this in his excellent Abandoned Subway Stations piece.)
BTW, I think Mr. Brennan points out that Cedar St. was not actually on
the No. 7 line. I know there's a spur between Penn Station and Broad
Street (where, on the inbound side, the snowplow car was always
parked). Is it this line that goes through Cedar Street, I wonder.
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Posted by subway-buff on July 29, 1997 at 21:35:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: williamsburg Bridge Subway Service posted by Lou
on July 29, 1997 at 18:14:01:
There are Track connections (with third rail ) and signals to the L
Line at Eastern Parkway. They could switch the cars to the L and use
the Livonia yard track . There is also a yard at Eastern Pakrway. I
don't know if they have any repair capability.
To anyone" Where do they service the L lines cars ?
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 29, 1997 at 22:30:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 29,
1997 at 18:39:03:
I think it is (was). The Cedar Street connection was the subway's
entry to the PS Terminal. When streetcar services vanished from
Newarks' streets, the connection was closed. I don't know how diesel
buses could have used the tunnel as it eneded (again, as far as I
know) in a loop under the Terminal. There was a surface connection,
but it vanished in the All-Service Days. Part of the cut-off tunnel
still exists (the "outbound"side , and is used for storage of the work
equipment. The destroyed car was an accident (Orange St.?) victim that
met its unfortunate end as explained above. It was stored in the
"inbound" lead.
Anyone else have any other explanations?
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 29, 1997 at 23:02:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCC Cars posted by Dan Lawrence on July 29, 1997
at 22:30:26:
Dan, this is quite memory-prodding. You must also be a Newarker. I
remember that on the north side of Kresge's (Cedar St) was the
entrance for that spur line. On the south side of the store, along
Raymond Blvd., was the entrance for the No. 7 line. (Both entrances
were accessible from the main floor of Kresge's.) So it seems the two
lines ran parallel for a time, at least underground.
Re the spur line, my understanding was that it surfaced again not far
from Cedar St, rather than end in a loop. But I'm far from certain
about that. I do remember the buses in the tunnel quite vividly,
though.
I agree Cedar St station was also accessible directly from the Public
Service terminal via escalator, as was the No. 7 platform at Broad St.
(isn't there a closed-up passageway there?)
Regarding the crash, I called my brother this afternoon, whose memory
is better, and he recalls that someone did broadside a subway car at
Orange St in the 60s.
Not to beat this subject to death, but I'm grateful to have found some
folks who know something about it.
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POSTER>Lou L
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Posted by Lou L on July 30, 1997 at 11:40:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Crime In the Subways - Update posted by Steve on
July 29, 1997 at 01:19:14:
Yes Transit and NYPD have merged but on the radio (Scanner) they still
use differrent Freq and when they are both up on the Brooklyn South
Freq Central (Dispatch) refers to them as Transit as in "Sgt Transit,
go ahead". So I wonder how really "merged" they are at the operation
level.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at 12:08:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: williamsburg Bridge Subway Service posted by
subway-buff on July 29, 1997 at 21:35:02:
Servicing will be no problem; Fresh Pond, remember? The question of
the usefullness of the Broadway route without a Manhattan connection
is much more problematic. I would predict a Bus shuttle from Marcy to
Essex. For a real top notch connection, they could clear out the old
Essex St. Trolley terminal, but I doubt they will.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on July 30, 1997 at 12:41:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCC Cars posted by Charlie Bonaire on July 29,
1997 at 23:02:32:
I'm a life-long Baltimorean, with a fondness for PCC's and streetcar
operations in general. The Newark City Subway has (under NJT) become
the home of the best maintained PCC fleet in the country. (I have
heard the shopmen Simonize the cars when they don't have anything to
do.) When NJT replaces the 50 year old (impeccably maintained) PCC's,
betcha the LRV's that replace them won't last 50 years. Whoever gets
any of the PCC's will have a gem.
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POSTER>Another John
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Posted by Another John on July 30, 1997 at 13:19:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Staten Island Handover!! posted by Charlie
Bonaire on July 30, 1997 at 11:37:02:
Staten Island cannot join NJ without the consent of Washington and
Albany as outlined in the US Consitution. No way Albany will let
500,000 people go.
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POSTER>William A. Padron
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Posted by William A. Padron on July 30, 1997 at 16:35:53:
In Reply to: [6]PCC Cars posted by Frankr on July 27, 1997 at
09:22:13:
This list is simple to clarify the correct status of the PCC car fleet
operated by Port Authority Transit in Pittsburgh (as based upon
earlier messages posted by myself).
PCC's still active: 4007, 4008, 4009 [3 cars];
PCC under repairs: 4004 [1 car];
PCC assigned as a yard maintenance car: 4001 [1 car];
All others are out-of-service and/or dead storage with scrap pending;
Minimum required assigned to 47D Drake-Castle Shannon line: 1 car;
Maximum required assigned to 47D Drake-Castle Shannon line: 2 cars;
Vintage-1948/49 "museum" units: 2 cars -
1711 (Pennsylvania Trolley Museum, Washington, PA) and
1724 (Sen. John Heinz Pittsburgh Regional History Center, Pittsburgh,
PA);
Vintage-1930's/early 1940's "museum" units: 4 known cars -
1138, 1467 and 1799 [ex-1613] at Pennsylvania Trolley Museum and
1440 at Seashore Trolley Museum, Kennebunkport, Maine.
Sincerely,
William A. Padron
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POSTER>Lou from middletown
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Posted by Lou from middletown on July 30, 1997 at 19:34:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH NWK service (was WTC service) posted by John
on July 29, 1997 at 02:17:21:
Actually,its only a buck! One way.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on July 30, 1997 at 19:52:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Q and F trains - Connection being built? posted by
Lou on July 29, 1997 at 18:19:45:
Really, it's taking about 5 Years to build and complete and 250 feet
stretch of track that really wont be accomplishing a whole lot, and it
took 4 years to build the entire first portion of the IRT! Progress!
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on July 30, 1997 at 22:09:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH NWK service (was WTC service) posted by Lou
from middletown on July 30, 1997 at 19:34:56:
Really? Well I have never taken NJ Transit from Hoboken to Newark --
but I can still put up an argument . . . well, actually no, I can't!
You win. But one thing: NJ Transit service from Hoboken to Penn
Station is limited. Most of the Hoboken - Newark service goes to Broad
Street.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:09:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: williamsburg Bridge Subway Service posted by
subway-buff on July 29, 1997 at 21:35:02:
The cars on the L, J/Z and M lines are serviced at the East NY yard on
Bushwick Ave in Brooklyn
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Posted by Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:11:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: williamsburg Bridge Subway Service posted by Gary
Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at 12:08:19:
Fresh Pond, what? There are no repair facilities there.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on July 30, 1997 at 23:15:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Crime In the Subways - Update posted by Lou L on
July 30, 1997 at 11:40:03:
I don't know how merged they really are operationally but I can tell
you, as a very frequent subway rider, there are less cops on the train
post merger.
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POSTER>William A. Padron
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SUBJECT>Re: PCC Cars...a brief note to consider
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Posted by William A. Padron on July 31, 1997 at 13:42:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCC Cars posted by William A. Padron on July 30,
1997 at 16:35:53:
It should be noted that, according to a recent E-mail response from
the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum to myself, while Port Authority
Transit in Pittsburgh might list any current out-of-service PCC cars
as active, this may only be so on paper.
Some of the cars have not yet run out their alloted 10 year rehab
life, as said by PTM's reply, and thus PATransit must continue to
consider them as "alive" by government rules.
Sincerely,
William A. Padron
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POSTER>NO MAINLINE
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCT Cars Sans HVAC
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Posted by NO MAINLINE on July 31, 1997 at 19:10:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCT Cars Sans HVAC posted by Steve on July 29,
1997 at 01:24:34:
I'm sorry, but for a minute there I forgot about the mainline R33s
from the 2, I was talking about the Flushing cars.
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POSTER>NO TOPICS
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Posted by NO TOPICS on July 31, 1997 at 19:13:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Morgantown, WV PRT System posted by Zack on July
29, 1997 at 02:29:07:
NO, my NO names are just taken from topics in my messages, you can see
that if you actually read the other messages.
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Posted by NO ARTICS on July 31, 1997 at 19:24:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: re: Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July 29,
1997 at 00:17:54:
The Artic's are going to Flatbush, that would be great (for me of
course)!!!!
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Posted by NO CHILDREN on July 31, 1997 at 19:34:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by David L. on
July 29, 1997 at 10:08:27:
Becuase the cars are rated R, so no children can go in them without
their parents
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POSTER>D.L.
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Posted by D.L. on July 31, 1997 at 21:25:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by NO CHILDREN on
July 31, 1997 at 19:34:29:
R you the idiot whose
names are NO HANDOVER, NO COUNTY, NO VOTE, and NO FARE? If you R,
here R two things you need to know
- YOU R NOT FUNNY
- GET A LIFE
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 01, 1997 at 11:54:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by D.L. on July
31, 1997 at 21:25:12:
Oh, come on DL, the guy is no threat to Bill Cosby or the like, but
the R-rated train line IS funny... Get a sense of humor!
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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SUBJECT>Re: Are there ant R-30's left/just for NO fun
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 01, 1997 at 15:43:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by D.L. on July
31, 1997 at 21:25:12:
Since NO doesn't have any good writers, there's NO way we're every
gonna find out if there is NO real name. (and if NO has real writers,
maybe he should chain them up in the cellar and beat them until he
gets some real funny material.)
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on August 01, 1997 at 17:00:49:
In Reply to: [6]Department of Buses posted by Fernando Perez on July
23, 1997 at 03:47:25:
I am a very interested "closet" bus & transit fan in the Philadelphia
suburbs. Next time I visit NYC, I would like to ride one of the New
Flyer artics if possible. Would like to know if the New Flyers are in
service yet on the NYCT & if so, on what lines. Also, their fleet
numbers. Thanks for any & all info -- Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville,
PA
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on August 01, 1997 at 21:01:49:
In Reply to: [6]Cedar Street Subway posted by John on July 25, 1997 at
23:56:33:
John, my rather incomplete research suggests that Cedar Street was the
first stop of a line that spurred off the City Subway line between
Penn Station and Broad Street. This is clear from a map of the line
http://www.nycsubway.org/nwksub/nwkmap.jpg
The reference "Cedar Street Subway" makes me wonder if this line
eventually surfaced, like three other spur lines did.
As I mentioned in the thread titled "PCC Cars," I remember that by the
time I first saw the Cedar Street station as a teenager, about 1966,
you could still access it from either Kresge's Dept. Store or
McCrory's Five and Dime, or by escalator from the Public Service
terminal. But by that time they had been running buses through the
tunnel, for some reason that still baffles me. However, I recall that
the tracks were intact and flush with the pavement, as opposed to
raised on ties. I had the impression the buses continued and surfaced
a couple blocks later; Dan Lawrence says there was a loop.
So that's all I know. I wish I could find "The Newark Subway Lines" by
J.H. Riley, as I feel this would answer some of our questions. Let me
know if you find out more. I'm bonaire@pacifier.com
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 01, 1997 at 21:44:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Department of Buses posted by Michael S. Buglak on
August 01, 1997 at 17:00:49:
I dont know what the numbers of the buses are, I dont have them yet in
my roster book, but yes they are in operation. Mainly on 3Av. in the
Bronx on the Bx 55 and on the Grand Concourse on the Bx1, and Bx2.
Also on the Bx41. They are currently at one depot only, and that is
Kingsbridge Depot in Upper Manhattan. Soon tobe coming to Flatbush
depot.
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Posted by John on August 02, 1997 at 01:39:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there ant R-30's left posted by Gary Jacobi on
August 01, 1997 at 11:54:20:
What I'd like to see (and ride in) is an X-30 train!!! :-)
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POSTER>susan r.n.
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Posted by susan r.n. on August 02, 1997 at 13:19:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by Memyselfandi
on July 23, 1997 at 22:44:32:
Obviously an IQ test isn't required for males to post. In reference to
the comment that ultraviolet radiation causes skin cancer. Ultraviolet
light killes multidrug resistant tuberculosis. The light does not
induce skin cancers because it is entirely enclosed within a duct
through which air in slowly moved with a fan. This was discovered in
1910. Death rides the subways because this is not being done and
idiotic comments by morons do not help the situation. Malaria is not a
significant health hazard. Multi-drug resistant tuberculosis is.
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POSTER>ronald
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Posted by ronald on August 02, 1997 at 13:24:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by subway-buff on
July 23, 1997 at 17:38:40:
Ultraviolet light enclosed in tubes through which air is circulated
does not sterilize humans. A comment to this effect is so absurd as to
warrent no coment. There is much discussion of multi-drug resistant
tuberculos, which is by far the one single most important issue facing
the New York subway system. Not the color of the signs. There are no
contraindications (disadvantages) to use of ultraviooet light in germ
killing wavelengths in closed ducts through which air is passed. If a
transit engineer in the planning department believes differently he is
lacking in intelligence. Cheers to Susan R.N.
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POSTER>Sherman Cheung
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Posted by Sherman Cheung on August 02, 1997 at 13:37:40:
I have been collecting Subway Maps for 14 years, now I can't get the
Traditional Maps anymore, because MTA are catering to the immigrants
I have checked the "Racks" but I come up with multiligual maps.
does anybody know where I can get Shitloads of the good stuff?
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Posted by tom on August 02, 1997 at 13:39:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sanitation on the subways posted by Memyselfandi
on July 23, 1997 at 22:44:32:
The issue of multi-drug resistant tuberculosis is a new one, as
tubercolusis has been virtually eliminated since 1945 and people have
forgotten how devestating it can be. It is a bacteria borne by dust.
The New York Fire Department has taken over the paramedics and has
demonstrated incompetence by changing uniform shirts from white to
blue. The shirts were white because bleach easily and inexpensively
destroys tuberculosis. Blue shirts cannot be decontaminated. Guliani
demonstrated total incompetence in facilitating this ill-advised
merger. There are many strategies to deal with the issue of mulit-drug
resistant tb, including eliminating the subways as a place where
homeless live by using metrocard to limit time in the subway to three
hours, checkable by the police with a card scanner.
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POSTER>Bill
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Posted by Bill on August 02, 1997 at 16:19:58:
In Reply to: [5]work trains posted by Zack on August 01, 1997 at
21:44:28:
Some cars were converted to carry CWR (Continuous Welded Rail).
Ten 39ft. lengths of running rail all welded together to make one big
piece of rail. It takes ten converted subway cars to carry a peice or
peices of CWR. One CWR train can carry 6 pieces of CWR.
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Posted by Bill on August 02, 1997 at 16:22:12:
In Reply to: [5]work trains posted by Zack on August 01, 1997 at
21:44:28:
Some cars were converted to carry CWR (Continuous Welded Rail).
Ten 39ft. lengths of running rail all welded together to make one big
piece of rail. It takes ten converted subway cars to carry a piece or
pieces of CWR. One CWR train can carry 6 pieces of CWR.
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on August 02, 1997 at 20:10:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
Gary Jacobi on July 30, 1997 at 13:58:03:
I think all this pontificating on OPTO = deaths of subway riders is
ridiculous. I've been out the Rockaways before (both branches), and am
quite unimpressed with the quality of the neighborhoods in the
immediate vicinity of the entrance of the line to Rockaway peninsula -
a real dump IMHO. Its not surprising people get knocked off in this
area. People who ride the New York subway, as with people who walk the
streets of the city above ground need to be aware that certain
neighborhoods are just not the nicest places to hang around in or ride
through. Proper precaution is unfortunately necessary for entering
these areas, and no amount of MTA personnel is going to completely
prevent all crime. While the newsmedia has touted the fall of New
York's murders to less than 1000, lets remember that is still nearly
three per day, mostly concentrated in a few of the worst slums in the
city.
OPTO does not seem to cause problems down here in Philly. The Broad
St. Subway is OPTO with car-width cabs for left hand side platforms.
The Lindenwold line is also OPTO, with left hand side cabs and all
island platforms. We don't have particularly more accute problems on
these lines than on the Market-Frankford.
In Germany and Austria and the Czech Republic, the subways are all
OPTO, and are very safe, with no noticed door problems in my riding.
In Vancouver, British Columbia, the line is automated with no driver,
and I never noticed either a safety problem or a door-person
interaction problem. Of course, the difference between these places
and New York is that they are pretty much crime free because they
don't tens of thousands of low-life criminals romaing around on the
streets. So there is no need to worry about crimes like this.
The murder on the subway problem is a New York people problem - not an
OPTO problem. The solution is to improve the quality of people made or
brought into the city and imprison the criminally inclined who are
already there (I do not advocate, and that is not an advocation of
draconian curtailments of freedom - simply a statement of the
obvious).
Andy
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 02, 1997 at 20:20:08:
In Reply to: [6]Refrigerants and Subway Cars posted by Joe Camel on
July 17, 1997 at 12:12:54:
R-11 is not a refrigerant at least none that I've ever heard of. R-12
is used in most older autos. Most home appliances and all NYCT cars
and busses use Freon 22.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on August 02, 1997 at 23:45:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: A Question on the Budget posted by Gary Jacobi on
July 30, 1997 at 19:55:07:
They think Congress has another way of funding AMTRAK without using
our transit money
What I heard was interesting but I am not sure I understand enough
about it to explain it.
It should be an interesting few weeks
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 03, 1997 at 10:01:12:
In Reply to: [6]The Staten Island Handover!! posted by John on July
29, 1997 at 02:25:17:
During the recent election, Staten Islanders voted on a referendum.
That referendum was only to express their will to no longer be part of
NYCity. There was nothing in the referendum to indicate that they
sought statehood or wished to opt to become part of New Jersey. (at
least not to my knowledge)
The busses and SIRT are MTA entities. The MTA is a NYState agency.
Therefore, if Staten Island were to become an independent city in NY
State, I doubt that the transit situation would remain status-quo with
one likely change. The busses would likely be called Staten Island Bus
OA instead of NYC Transit.
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POSTER>Allan
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Posted by Allan on August 03, 1997 at 18:53:07:
In Reply to: [6]Subway maps, New york City posted by Sherman Cheung on
August 02, 1997 at 13:37:40:
Try the Visitors Bureau in Times Square (between 7th and 8th Avs) in
an old movie theater. They have the latest "RED" edition (the one with
the routes on the back. I call it RED because of the red box on the
front. The Multilingual has a blue box on the front).
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Posted by Julio Perez on August 04, 1997 at 09:10:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: work trains posted by Bill on August 02, 1997 at
16:22:12:
It must be fun to carry CWR on some IRT routes with sharp curves, say
the ones between Queensboro Plaza and Hunters Point Boulevard on the
7. All those rails sliding and bending away, becoming slightly
disfigured before arriving their final destination (whereever it may
be)...
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POSTER>Ray
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Posted by Ray on August 04, 1997 at 10:17:09:
In Reply to: [5]Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted by
Bill Ruiz on August 03, 1997 at 19:30:39:
Electric trolley service would be very expensive to install and
maintain. Buses offer much more in route flexibility. Natural-gas
buses pollute less, but require more complex equipment. I believe the
TA is only using them on some Brooklyn routes served by the 36 Street
depot.
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Posted by Dan on August 04, 1997 at 10:55:29:
In Reply to: [6]The Staten Island Handover!! posted by John on July
29, 1997 at 02:25:17:
We Staten Islanders voted overwhelmingly to secede from NYC (this is
called democracy). The issue is being held up by Sheldon Silver in the
NY State Assembly (this is called contempt for democracy) by his
requirement of a 'home rule' message from the NYC Council.
Staten Island is very different from the rest of NYC. It is comprised
of mostly one-family homes, everyone owns at least one car, and the
crime rate was low even before Rudy was mayor. I would think that the
city council would be more than happy to give the home rule message,
given that Staten island is a conservative Republican borough in a
generally liberal Democratic city. It is basically a dead issue for
now, but expect it to heat up again after the mayoral election.
Because if, as most polls indicate, Rudy Giuliani wins a second term,
it will have to be his last as per the new city charter. It is very
doubtful that subsequent mayors will be as positive to SI as Rudy has
been.
But back to the transit issue - if SI ever does secede, it would be as
a city within New York. So most likely the MTA would operate the
buses, the SIR, and the cash-cow Verazzano-Narrows Bridge.
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Posted by susan r.n on August 04, 1997 at 15:12:44:
As I have discussed before prevention of tuberculosis has been ignored
in station and car design. The design contracts should be re-let
because tiles must be as large as possible to minimize grout area and
the surfaces can only be white. This was standard TB protocol in the
1920's. The grout areas should be minimized and non-porous (synthetic
epoxy grout). The use of ultraviolet light is mandatory and should be
used to decontaminate walls by running a special subway car of flats
equipped with ultraviolet light moving at low speed every night
through the system, especially exposing the roadbed. Center for
disease control protocols have been ignored in the design for new air
conditioned stations makiing the transit authority liable for millions
in civol damages. It's called the doctrine of the reasonable and
prudent man. I am interested in TA comment.
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Posted by j brown on August 04, 1997 at 15:37:18:
I have been told that sneakers (tennis shoes) became popular during a
NYC transit strike, due to the long distances people had to walk. Does
anyone have information on this subject; or, knowledge of a resource
where I could find an image of people wearing sneakers to work during
this strike.
Unfortunately, I do not know which strike it is.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 04, 1997 at 15:57:19:
In Reply to: [6]health and safety posted by susan r.n on August 04,
1997 at 15:12:44:
Your TB crusade will probably not draw much official attention from
the MTA here. Officially, they ignore this web site. Unofficially you
aren't going to get anyone who can comment on the record.
Your efforts might be better directed to the MTA directly:
Metropolitan Transportation Authority
Office of the Chairman
347 Madison Avenue
New York, New York 10017
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 04, 1997 at 16:06:44:
In Reply to: [5]sneakers and NYC transit posted by j brown on August
04, 1997 at 15:37:18:
The trendy practice of wearing sneakers to and from work, but changing
into heels at the office allegedly began during a New York Subway
strike. Unlike most fads, it made sense, and working women all over
the US continue to follow the practice.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 04, 1997 at 16:32:49:
In Reply to: [6]health and safety posted by susan r.n on August 04,
1997 at 15:12:44:
If I'm not mistaken, the rate of tuberculosis has declined sharply in
New York (and possibly nationwide) since hitting a peak in the early
1990s - and even that peak was well below the rates in the early parts
of the century. In that subway station design hasn't changed, it seems
to me that subways are a very minor factor in the spread of the
disease. Come to think of it, wasn't AIDS the main factor?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 04, 1997 at 16:40:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
David Pirmann on July 30, 1997 at 15:57:03:
All of this discussion about the added safety value of having a
conductor makes me realize that, unlike the R-1's through R-10's, the
conductor no longer has to perch between cars and lean out over the
platform to operate the doors. It made for unpleasant duty, but it
sure did keep him alert! My question for Dave is, when did the
conductor get a cab seat in terms of R models.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 04, 1997 at 17:05:37:
In Reply to: [5]sneakers and NYC transit posted by j brown on August
04, 1997 at 15:37:18:
The strike being referenced was the one which lasted from April 1-11,
1980. At the time, I lived on Roosevelt Island and worked for the TA
at Jay Street. The only way to get there was to take the Tramway over
to 59th & 2d, hop a cab down to the Brooklyn Bridge and walk over.
Going home, I walked back over the Bridge, over to the WTC, and then
took a special PATH train which they ran from WTC to 33rd Street. From
there, I walked back to 59th & 2d to board the Tramway. Lots of
walking and yes, I do believe, the Transit strike was the genesis of
people, principally women, ditching their dress shoes when forced to
do all that walking, and donning sneakers (not cross-trainers, or
running shoes).
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Posted by Allan on August 04, 1997 at 19:23:44:
Combined Subway and Bus Map
NYCT has issued a new map called:
Manhattan By Subway And Bus
Visitor's Map
This issue places the Subway map (covering Manhattan
from 133rd St down to South Ferry) and the Bus Map
(covering the same area) side by side.
The appearance of the Subway portion has been modified
from the regular map:
1) The route indicators which are usually shown as
circles along the route line are now shown a "bumps"
on the lines for the routes.
2) Where Express and Local Routes exist (eg. A, B, C,
D) there is a separate line for the Expresses and a
separate line for the Locals.
3) A "X" marker has been placed in the small circle
by certain station names. These indicate that these
are "Divided Stations. Separate Street entrances for
each train direction. If you are on the train, you
cannot reverse direction at this station."
For those stations where this is not a restriction
there is just a circle.
4) The Subway lines are shown on a street grid rather
than a generic street map so that the stations are
found more easily.
5) The captions under each station name (indicating
which routes stop there) are not on the combined map.
The Bus map portion does not look any different from
the regular bus map.
The back of the map gives brief descriptions of the
Subway lines and Bus line that run in Manhattan. It
also has a big section of places to visit. There is a
section giving basic travel information for Subway &
Bus.
There are 2 advertisements on the back as well:
Lincoln Center Out of Doors
Mostly Mozart
By all indications on some of the narrative on the
map, this new map is NOT intended to replace the
exisiting Subway and borough Bus maps. But I do wonder
if they plan to use the Subway map format on this map
on future Subway Maps.
I have found these in one place - The Transit Museum Gift shop in
Grand Central (check the transit information brochure display)
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Posted by Steve on August 04, 1997 at 19:42:37:
In Reply to: [6]health and safety posted by susan r.n on August 04,
1997 at 15:12:44:
Health and safety are very important public issues but the TA has been
no less responsible than other major sectors of society. New buildings
are virtually air tight to reduce HVAC costs but are breeding gorunds
for all sorts of diseases. They even have a name for it, "Sick
Building syndrome".
Then there is the airline industry. The new generation of Jetliners,
the 757, 767 and 777 take in virtually no outside air to conserve
fuel. They are also breeding grounds for all sorts of things.
By contrast, subway cars take in a minimum of 25% outside air, even
withthe windows closed. Sadly the tunnel air is poor but the trains
are not always in the tunnels. Slow moving trains with huge
ultra-violet light sources is an interesting concept, however. Perhaps
it does merit consideration but not until the vacuum trains and tunnel
wash trains can maintain basic sanitation in the system.
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Posted by Nick on August 04, 1997 at 20:08:05:
Hats off to the FBI for catching the terrorists who had planned to
bomb the subway station! It's great to know that in this world of
tradegy, happy endings are found once in awhile! And even better, a
happy ending that involves NYC subways!
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Posted by Steve on August 04, 1997 at 22:42:38:
In Reply to: [6]A CLOSE CALL!! posted by Nick on August 04, 1997 at
20:08:05:
Yes it was a very close call for us but it was not the FBI that
stopped it. It was the Emergency Services Unit of the NYPD that
stopped the plot. Hats off to the NYPD for their bravery and for
showing the world how it's done.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on August 05, 1997 at 00:26:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: A CLOSE CALL!! posted by Steve on August 04, 1997
at 22:42:38:
Also, thank goodness at least one of them had enough of a conscience
to call the police! If not for that, the bombers would have stood a
good chance of killing someone!
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POSTER>Bill
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Posted by Bill on August 05, 1997 at 07:22:14:
In Reply to: [5]It Must Be "Fun"... (was Re: work trains) posted by
Julio Perez on August 04, 1997 at 09:10:47:
On the train are a number of racks that guide the rails thru the
train. The racks keep the rails from shifting and they are secured so
they don't slide. Going around curves the rails do bend they are very
felxable, when they come off they are as straight as they went on.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 05, 1997 at 11:47:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: A CLOSE CALL!! posted by Andrew Huie on August 05,
1997 at 00:26:19:
What station was it that they found the bomb materials in?, And, was
this the station(s) that they were planning on bombing?
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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DATE>Aug 25 19:58:28 1997
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 05, 1997 at 12:36:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO on the Evanston Express posted by Brian on
July 31, 1997 at 21:44:24:
OPTO = One Person Train Operation
In NYC, most subway lines are NOT OPTO. The Times Square - Grand
Central shuttle, the Dyre Ave line and the B shuttle, late nights,
between Coney Island and 36th Street, are OPTO, as is the Franklin
Avenue shuttle. The MTA is studying the feasibility of converting some
of the small cab cars (the R-42, I think) to "full length cabs"
similar to what was done in Chicago. I don't know the status of this
study, nor am I familiar with what the eventual schedule of OPTO
conversion will be, and even if there is a schedule.
During my week in Chicago, I did indeed see the train operators
announcing station stops, and for the most part, I had difficulty
understanding them. I guess the mumble-de-gook is not so unique to NYC
after all.
Did all those cuts that CTA wanted ever go through ( I saw posters in
stations and the trains indicating that some owl service on the L was
to be discintinued and there were loads of bus changes )?
--Mark
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POSTER>Willie
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Posted by Willie on August 05, 1997 at 13:01:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: A CLOSE CALL!! posted by Mark Greenwald on August
05, 1997 at 11:47:02:
It was found in a building on 4th Ave., above the Union Street station
on the N & R line. The station they were planning to do in was Pacific
St. and or the LIRR station at Flatbush Ave. one stop away.
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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DATE>Aug 25 19:58:29 1997
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Posted by Ed Sachs on August 05, 1997 at 13:17:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO Train = 1st Subway Death This Year posted by
Gary Jacobi on August 04, 1997 at 16:40:43:
The first R series car's with the conductor's station moved from
perching
between cars to the inside (in a cab) were the R-15 series (ACF,
1950).
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POSTER>Todd Minsk
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Posted by Todd Minsk on August 05, 1997 at 14:58:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: work trains posted by Steve on August 01, 1997 at
23:33:06:
Does anyone have a complete roster of subway work equipment, both the
conversions from the passenger fleet and apparatus built for the
purpose, and how can we enthusiasts see it?
Thanks!
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POSTER>susan R.N.
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Posted by susan R.N. on August 05, 1997 at 16:40:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: health and safety posted by David Pirmann on
August 04, 1997 at 15:57:19:
Thanks everyone for the comments. Center for disease control (CDC) in
Atlanta suggests air replacement and movement to be significant in
reducing incidences of T.B. These are federally mandated requirements
and will be ignored at the legal risk of the transit authority. Do not
pass go. Do not collect two hundred dollars. The horror of
tuberculosis cannot be underestimated. It is not only a long disease
but can cause paralysis, brain damage, and it highly contagious. Read
my lips. This will be number one problem in the next ten years in the
subway and may the transit officials who ignore this burn in hell for
the pain and suffering they will cause. I suggest a search of the
MEDLINE data base for anyone interested in further information.
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POSTER>tom
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Posted by tom on August 05, 1997 at 17:18:01:
In Reply to: [5]health and safety posted by susan r.n on August 04,
1997 at 15:12:44:
The invention of linoleum was one of the biggest factors in
eliminating tuberculosis in hospitals because it offered a non-porous
surface. TB is indeed the major health problem facing the transit
authority. The ideal surface flooring would be aluminum diamond plate,
because aluminum, curiously enough is highly reflective of the
ultraviolet light waves and may be most easily decontaminated with
ultraviolet light. A single homeless person with multi-drug resistant
TB can infect thousands. The plan to air condition the midtown
stations was developed without any consideration for deontamination of
air. Ultraviolet light, within certain wavelengths has been
demonstrated to kill this lethal organism. Kepping down dust is
another factor. TB control should the number one transit priority.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 05, 1997 at 18:09:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: OPTO Train (Conductor's Perch) posted by Ed Sachs
on August 05, 1997 at 13:17:33:
Thanks, Ed, I guess I spent most of the fifties riding R-10's and
thought there was no other way of opening doors on the IND. I do
remember the neat relatively weatherproof conductors operating
locations on BMT Standards.
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POSTER>Mike LoCascio
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Posted by Mike LoCascio on August 05, 1997 at 21:54:55:
In Reply to: [6]Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted by
Bill Ruiz on August 03, 1997 at 19:30:39:
You are either a fan of troleys or a foe. Yes they would be slower
than a bus and very restrictive, however, there are locations in
Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx and Staten Island that they would be very
useful and enviromently friendly. There are areas that are depressed
and longing for a shot in the arm to help bring the neighborhood back
(Rockaway and Coney Island areas). Trolleys would be that "shot in the
arm" not only bringing a new mode of clean transportation to the areas
but a local tourist attraction for new Yorkers as well as persons
visiting New York.
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POSTER>Yonjoo Lee
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SUBJECT>Cabin inside and outside noise level of subway train
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Posted by Yonjoo Lee on August 05, 1997 at 23:13:20:
I am working for Hanjin Heavy Industries Co., Ltd. Hanjin is building
the subway train which will run in Seoul 7th and 8th subway line. The
request of my government is that the difference between inside and
outside noise level should be greater than 28 dB and the inside noise
level should be less than 85 dB(A).
Therefore, I am looking for a train having the 28 dB difference
between inside and outside noise level.
Please let me know the noise characteristics of cabin inside noise and
of tunnel inside noise when the train runs with 80 km/h.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 06, 1997 at 01:43:13:
In Reply to: [6]Cabin inside and outside noise level of subway train
posted by Yonjoo Lee on August 05, 1997 at 23:13:20:
During sound level testing which is mandated by the FRA, the Long
Island Rail Road M-3 cars were measured at 85 db at about 70 MPH. I do
not know what the inside reading was but that info is available from
the LIRR or the FRA in Washington, DC
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 06, 1997 at 01:48:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: work trains posted by Todd Minsk on August 05,
1997 at 14:58:33:
The TA has at 130 Livingston Plaza, a copy of a book called
"Revenue & Non-Revenue Car Drawings". I believe they permit viewing
their.
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Posted by george on August 06, 1997 at 12:13:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: health and safety posted by Steve on August 04,
1997 at 19:42:37:
Excellent point. Sunlight sterilizes, but yard design puts the cars
too close to optimize this effect. Cars need to be further appart so
they can be hit by the sun. This should be taken into consideration in
track design. Ultraviolet "wash points" should be erected at yard
throats. Glass stops ultraviolet and will protect the motorman.
Biggest problem is rodents in the subway. TB is trans species.
Infected rats will leave droppings which will turn to dust and spread
death. Priority must be given to rodent eradication. Ultraviolet
sterilizers on wheels could roll over subway platforms after washings.
This is routinely done in some hospitals. Air exchange is the big
thing. Fresh air and lots of it.
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POSTER>allen
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Posted by allen on August 06, 1997 at 13:09:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: health and safety posted by Peter Rosa on August
04, 1997 at 16:32:49:
While the TB rate has declined slightly nationally this is deceiving.
The disease is incurable in the new form and may onloy be kept under
control with a lifetime of medications with extreme side effects. It
is extremely communicable, and the fact many with HIV have TB (which,
in fairness is generally kept under control - it only becomes
dangerous when medications are not taken) this is a political hot
potato. NYC Board of health is a hotbed of gay activism and refuses to
publicize any information which reflects on the dangerous of HIV and
the necessity of nationwide testing and tracking of the HIV positive,
which is the only common sense thing to do. TB is surely the one most
significant problem facing NYC public transit.
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on August 06, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: health and safety posted by allen on August 06,
1997 at 13:09:08:
George, Allen, Tom, Susan whatever your name is...
Please take your crusade elsewhere. There is no need to continue to
post the same unsubstantiated information under different names. If
you want to post again how about listing some specific published
references? Otherwise please consider this thread closed.
--Dave
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Posted by susan R.N. on August 06, 1997 at 15:31:24:
In Reply to: [5]health and safety posted by susan r.n on August 04,
1997 at 15:12:44:
Dear site administrator. You won't be bothered again. The information
is not unsubstantiated. I suggested a MEDLINE search as well as a
common news article search. I have over three hundred documents
obtained at the Columbia medical library regarding the hazards of TB.
Telephone the LA Medical examiner. Every employee is infected. I
apologize for caring about human life and bothering people whose only
interest is collecting subway transfers and themselves. I don't know
what you guys are about but it certainly isn't life on this planet.
Good-bye.
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POSTER>Ted
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SUBJECT>Photos of Subway Cars ( currently in operation )
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Posted by Ted on August 06, 1997 at 16:29:41:
Does anyone know where I could obtain photos of subway cars that
are currently in service ( such as R-68s , R-36s , etc. ) I looked in
the transit museum shop today , but didn't find anything.
thanks.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 06, 1997 at 17:28:23:
In Reply to: [6]Photos of Subway Cars ( currently in operation )
posted by Ted on August 06, 1997 at 16:29:41:
You mean physical photos on paper? Well there's one good book - New
York City Subway Cars - by James Clifford Greller. That's *the* source
for color photos of subway cars.
We've got lots and lots of pictures here. Check out the car rosters at
[7]http://www.nycsubway.org/cars/. If you've got a nice color printer
you could print them out..
Other places to try are railroad memoribilia shows like the upcoming
Fall Trolley (and Traction) Extravaganza in King Of Prussia PA
(weekend after Labor Day in September IIRC). You can typically get
photos and slides at shows like that from $0.50 on up depending on
age, quality, and how many generations of reproduction the image has
gone thru.
--Dave
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Posted by Zack on August 07, 1997 at 04:16:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: health and safety posted by susan R.N. on August
05, 1997 at 16:40:54:
This board is about Subays and Buses Not Medicine or Medical practices
now when it happens then it might be approparite for this board but it
hasent happend and i sugges to MR. Phirmann (hope i spelled it
correctley) ro remove thes posts from the board and replace it with
some subway question
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Posted by Zack on August 07, 1997 at 04:20:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: health and safety posted by george on August 06,
1997 at 12:13:43:
For that to be carried out it would cost MONEY MONEY witch could be
better invested in to Service and station rehab
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POSTER>Philip Nah Nah!!! I'm 100 base T and you're NOT!!!
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Posted by Philip Nah Nah!!! I'm 100 base T and you're NOT!!!
In Reply to: [5]Re: Cabin inside and outside noise level of subway
train posted by Steve on August 06, 1997 at 01:43:13:
Hmm... I always thought those FRA stickers said 80 mph, not 70...
The test was (I believe) conducted as a pass by through Woodside. They
certainly are loud at speed (outside), although inside the big noise
maker is that %$$#@^%$#^%$ vent system on the M - 1/2/3/4/6. Is it me,
or does anyone else find that hairdryer pitched blower setup
annoying??? When it is dead (not often), the M-3's are really quiet
inside, altough at high speed the traction motors do whine (watch out
the front window between Jamaica and Woodside and listen......)
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Posted by pete delgado on August 07, 1997 at 17:09:49:
does anyone know where to obtain a history or photos other than those
found in the book "Brooklyn Elevated".
Thank you,
Pete
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POSTER>MICHAEL MOSLEY
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Posted by MICHAEL MOSLEY on August 08, 1997 at 02:03:25:
CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO GET A SUBWAY MAP OF NYC? AN ADDRESS WHERE I
CAN WRITE? E-MAIL ME AT MEMEPHIS60@AOL.COM THANKS!
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POSTER>David Simonoff
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Posted by David Simonoff on August 08, 1997 at 09:36:04:
Welcome!
Join those who have discovered an American tradition older than the
subterranean passageways of the iron road,
American folk dancing!
Contradancing, Square Dancing, and English Country Dancing
at Metropolitan Duane United Method Church, located on the northwest
corner of W. 13th St and 7th Ave in the borough of Manhattan
DIRECTIONS BY SUBWAY:
#2 TRAIN TO 14TH STREET
F TRAIN TO 14TH STREET
D TRAIN TO W. 4TH ST
For information, call 212-459-4080 or
[5]Follow Ups:
* [6]Re: How to go to a contra dance by subway NO SPAM 20:03:02
8/09/97 (0)
* [7]Re: How to go to a contra dance by subway David Pirmann -Web
Site Host 11:04:44 8/08/97 (0)
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POSTER>David Pirmann -Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann -Web Site Host on August 08, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]How to go to a contra dance by subway posted by David
Simonoff on August 08, 1997 at 09:36:04:
I'm going to let this one slide since it is obviously non-commercial,
but please, this board is not for unsolicited offtopic advertising. It
is bad enough that Usenet has been ruined and I have to deal with 20+
spam e-mails a day.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 08, 1997 at 13:09:06:
In Reply to: [5]3rd Ave "EL" in Brooklyn posted by pete delgado on
August 07, 1997 at 17:09:49:
I realize this vague information will not be too helpful, but it might
send you in a direction you would not have thought of. The "original"
brooklyn-queens expressway was built right on top of the third avenue
el. When it was rebuilt in 1964 all traces of this quick and dirty
solution were ob literated.However, I distinctly recall an illustrated
report covering the original construction which concentrated on this
stretch, especially the micky-mouse interchanges which up the side
streets. The tone of the report was anti-highway, if that is any help.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 08, 1997 at 13:29:32:
In Reply to: [5]Cabin inside and outside noise level of subway train
posted by Yonjoo Lee on August 05, 1997 at 23:13:20:
I am confused by the noise specs you quoted. If Seoul wants a quiet
passenger cabin, they can spec an interior noise level, or specify an
attenuation by the car body, which I believe is the -28db you quote.
By specifying both they d seem to be requiring the outside noise to be
28db plus 85db, and why would they want that? Did you mean to say 85db
exterior, and -28db interior? This makes more sense, but will require
more than typical sound proofing, as -28db is a lot to ask of a metal
enclosure with windows!
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POSTER>Brian
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Posted by Brian on August 08, 1997 at 13:35:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO on the Evanston Express posted by Mark S
Feinman on August 05, 1997 at 12:36:15:
Yes, Some Changes on the CTA were made. 10 bus routes were cut and
they had
planned on more. They would have cut over night service on all El
lines except
the red and blue between Ohare and Forest Park. They were even
thinking of
canelling all service on the Douglas branch of the Blue Line on the
Week-end.
800 people showed up at a protest meeting and none of the changes
above, except
for the 10 bus routes were made. I think there is no need for over
night
service on any of the El's or busses. Ridership is so low at night,
why even
continue night owl service? All it does is increse crime and waste
money.
They would have enough money to bring back those ten bus routes. I
don't know
how far they are from being out of debt, but they are getting alot
closer.
My question to you was, are they going to convert to OPTO on the NCY
Subway?
What I mean is all of the lines. Or are they just going to on the ones
you
mentioned.
If you ever need anything about the CTA or the City of Chicago E-mail
me:
Bj633@aol.com
and please respond asap
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 08, 1997 at 13:39:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Mike LoCascio on August 05, 1997 at 21:54:55:
Yes, I am a true fan of trolleys and trolleybuses. No, I do not think
that the two are slow either. Yes, trolleys are somewhat restrictive
due their rails but they can be located just about anywhere you would
want them to be, for example in the street with cars or on a separate
right-of-way configuration. I do agree with you fully that possibly a
"historic streetcar service" would be a positive idea for Coney Island
and the Rockaways. I strongly feel as well that New Yorkers must push
for clean and efficient modes of transport from their public
officials. I don't feel it was in our best interest that they went and
spent more money on diesel buses that are now used across the city
streets. They should be moving in the same direction as the officials
in northern NJ are doing by looking at alternatives.
I really would like to be breathing clean air in NYC someday.
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on August 08, 1997 at 14:02:53:
I am a transit fan in the Philadelphia suburbs who also enjoys
visiting NYC & riding the subway & buses when there. I've read that
NYCT now has some New Flyer articulated buses in service. I would like
to ride one the next time I'm in NYC. What routes are they being used
on? Also would like to know fleet numbers. Any info is much
appreciated!
Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA 19426
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Posted by John M. on August 08, 1997 at 15:54:05:
I attended a wedding in Dallas, Texas about two years ago, and as I
was lost between the church and the reception hall, I was surprised to
see trolley tracks and overhead cables in what seemed to be a
well-traveled commercial strip. The reason for my surprise was that
Dallas seems to be almost a completely car-dependent city.
Does anyone have any info on the Dallas trolley, i.e. how extensive is
their trolley system?, is it well-used, what area (s) does it serve?
is it really just decorative like the San Francisco trolley? Did
Kristin flee on the trolley after she shot J.R.??
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on August 08, 1997 at 16:04:32:
In Reply to: [6]3rd Ave "EL" in Brooklyn posted by pete delgado on
August 07, 1997 at 17:09:49:
The Electric Railroaders Association (ERA) published a booket entitled
"Tracks of New York" that contains information about the Third Avenue
El as well as other Brooklyn Els. Unfortunately, it is long out of
print, and originals are rather expensive when they show up at train
shows etc. (my copy cost $35). Arnold B. Joseph, 1140 Broadway, Room
701, (212)532-0019 may have photocopies of this booklet for a
reasonable price. There are two other volumes available also in this
series, on the Third Avenue El (Manhatten) and the Third Avenue
Railway (trolleys).
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POSTER>BJ633
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SUBJECT>Why so many delays??
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Posted by BJ633 on August 08, 1997 at 19:06:30:
Why are there so many delays on the Evanston Express? I rode recently
and
didn't really consider it an express. There were about five delays in
each direction from Linden--Wilmett to the Loop. It was also a long
ride
to Belmont from State/Lake. The red Line has a faster trip to Belmont,
but
the Evanston Express has a faster trip to Howard.
What my question is is, there were about five times when we slowed
very slow
or stopped between stations? I usually ride the red line between the
loop and Belmont
and the Blue Line from Forest Park to Downtown. I just thought the
ride on
the Evanston Express would be fun! It was to long! Almost about fifty
minutes!
Is it usually this long from State/Lake to Linden? It is only about 22
from
Forest Park to downtown and I have never had a delay on the Blue Line
and only
about three on the red.
I also rode the Ravenswood before and it was fun and no delays!
Is it becasue it is during the Week-day rush hours and there to many
trains
on the tracks and some have to wait for clearance? There was a about a
five minute
strech between Belmont and Howard going there when we did the full
speed
of fifty five. If they improved it so there were no delays and fifty
five the whole way between belmont and Howard, that would be a great
travel time!
What I am also saying is that the Blue and Red Line do fifty five
between
alot of stations with no delays. How come so many on the Evanston
Express?
Please respond and thanks in Advance
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on August 08, 1997 at 19:55:59:
In Reply to: [6]Why so many delays?? posted by BJ633 on August 08,
1997 at 19:06:30:
track work and things like stalled trains,emergencys at staions,etc
ect
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 09, 1997 at 00:03:08:
In Reply to: [6]New Flyer Artic Buses posted by Michael S. Buglak on
August 08, 1997 at 14:02:53:
The new flyers are currently only in the Bronx. ON the Bx41 which is
the Webster Ave. bus, the Bx55 is the 3Av limeted and the Bx1, Bx2
which both run on the Grand Concourse. The next depot to get the
articulates will be Flatbush depot in Brooklyn. I dont know the
numbers yet of these buses however, maybe someone else does.
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POSTER>Bobw
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Posted by Bobw on August 09, 1997 at 00:12:02:
In Reply to: [6]Trolley system in Dallas, TX? posted by John M. on
August 08, 1997 at 15:54:05:
You are probably referring to the McKinney Avenue line which operates
from the fringe of downtown Dallas out toward the north-northeast for
about 2 miles. It operates heritage cars, some from Dallas, some from
others (it had a Melbourne car when I visited it in '93). It was to be
extended over the LRT line to better serve downtown, and another
northern extension would take it to a transfer point with a future LRT
station (I think at City Place). It is quite an interesting line. When
I rode, I visited the carbarn at the north end and got the "cook's
tour" from a man who was working on a car at the time. More on this is
included in the Light Rail Annuals printed by the now-defunct
Passenger Train Journal a few years back.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 09, 1997 at 00:34:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trolley system in Dallas, TX? posted by Bobw on
August 09, 1997 at 00:12:02:
Dallas does have a rather extensive light rail system consisting of
currently (I believe) 2 lines but will consist of other lines in the
future. For a map of the system, check out the transit systems
worldwide of this web site
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POSTER>donl
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Posted by donl on August 09, 1997 at 08:16:20:
In Reply to: [6]Trolley system in Dallas, TX? posted by John M. on
August 08, 1997 at 15:54:05:
You can find information on the Dallas Area Rapid Transit System
(DART) by going to www.interplaza.com then looking under "Cities of
the Metroplex" - INFRASTRUCTURE. You will then see a subgroup called
"Roads, Traffic, Railroads". This has two areas "DART" and "Unofficial
DART Light Rail Page". This shows the new DART system and the new
Trinity Express which is the new commuter rail that runs from Irving,
TX presently to downtown Dallas (Union Station) and eventually will
connect the Mid Cities and Fort Worth to Dallas.
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Posted by donl on August 09, 1997 at 08:38:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trolley system in Dallas, TX? posted by Bobw on
August 09, 1997 at 00:12:02:
For pictures and more info on what John mentioned, you can go to
www.startext.net/homes/railscene/mata/mata.htm. This explains the
McKinney Avenue Trolley.
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POSTER>William A. Padron
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Posted by William A. Padron on August 09, 1997 at 14:50:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos of Subway Cars ( currently in operation )
posted by David Pirmann on August 06, 1997 at 17:28:23:
If you wish to purchase any slides or photographs of NYC subway cars
in current operation, your best bet is to attend a meeting of one of
the two New York-based railfan organizations that regularly hold
monthly meetings: the Urban Transit Club (on the second Saturday of
the month usually at the Masonic Hall at 71 West 23rd Street in
Manhattan) and the New York Division of the Electric Railroaders'
Association (on the third Friday of the month at the College of
Insurance at 101 Murray Street in Manhattan).
At these organizations, you will find vendors usually selling great
color slides as low as 50 cents each or large 8x10 prints for at least
$2.50 each, plus other transit memorabilia such as books and other
goodies are also offered for sale as well. If you are a non-member,
the entrance door fee to attend inside the meeting room is $5.00.
Also, the upcoming New Jersey Rail Expo show to be held at the former
C.N.J. Terminal Building at Liberty State Park will be on Sunday,
October 26, 1997 between the hours of 9:00am and 5:00pm. At this real
railfan extravaganza is where you can find a very large assortment of
photos, slides, books, signs and other items for sale usually at great
prices. The admission price is $6.00.
Coming soon to a bookstore or rail hobby shop near you: the book "New
York Transit Memories" written by Harold A. Smith and published by
Quadrant Press (suggested retail price is at $16.95), and the "New
York City Subways 1998 Calendar" produced by Newkirk Images and
published by Weekend Chief Publishing (it was being quickly sold at
Penn Books on the L.I.R.R. level of Penn Station for $10.95).
In the "New York City Subways 1998 Calendar", there are great views
found here such as IND R-1/9's at Smith-9th Street, BMT R-11's on the
Franklin Shuttle, IRT "Flivver" cars on the Polo Grounds Shuttle, IRT
*brand new* red R-29's at 125th Street-Broadway, and IND aqua
blue/white R-10's at 88th Street-Boyd Avenue on the "A" line. This is
definitely one item you should not be without, and it truly gets my
upmost personal endorsement to buy it (I already own two copies of it
already)!!!
Sincerely,
William A. Padron
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POSTER>NO CAPS (The Infamous NO is back)
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Posted by NO CAPS (The Infamous NO is back) on August 09, 1997 at
In Reply to: [5]NYC SUBWAY MAP posted by MICHAEL MOSLEY on August 08,
1997 at 02:03:25:
STOP CAPITALIZING!!!!!!!!
Damn AOL
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Posted by NO MAP on August 09, 1997 at 20:00:50:
In Reply to: [5]NYC SUBWAY MAP posted by MICHAEL MOSLEY on August 08,
1997 at 02:03:25:
Go to [6]http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us
and follow the links.
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Posted by NO SPAM on August 09, 1997 at 20:03:02:
In Reply to: [5]How to go to a contra dance by subway posted by David
Simonoff on August 08, 1997 at 09:36:04:
You are a SPAMMER, you deserve to die (ignore that last thing).
Hopefully
the host will delete this thread
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on August 09, 1997 at 20:23:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Trolley system in Dallas, TX? posted by Bobw on
August 09, 1997 at 00:12:02:
McKinney Ave runs a nice system and is expending the system. I believe
that they will be using 2 of the Toronto 4600 series PCC cars for the
expansion. The Toronto 4600 cars are the same at the cars that are
going to Kenosha and have gone to Old Pueblo.
The trolleys have been a nice addition to the neighborhood I am told.
Still need to go see them myself.
Did ride the line in Memphis last week. They too are expanding.
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Posted by subway-buff on August 10, 1997 at 06:49:51:
In Reply to: [6]Photos of Subway Cars ( currently in operation )
posted by Ted on August 06, 1997 at 16:29:41:
You mjght try the book:
New York City Subway Cars
by James Clifford Greller
The book does not show a publisher but he also wrote a folow up book
Subway Cars of the BMT which shows "Xplorer Press" as publisher.
The ISBN for this is 0-9645765-1-1
I got the first book at the SEPTA Transit Musuem Store but I also saw
it in the NYC Subway Musuem Store (Main Store) and at NJ Transit's Try
Transit Festival in May 1997 which is where I got the second book.
The first book shows all cars from the first car bought for the IRT to
the 134 work trains. The second shows all BMT cars from the Malbone
Street models to the AB Standards and the Green Hornet and Zephyr.
While I have not seen it and I do not know. I *guess* that a third
book on the IRT cars is in the works or is out.
If anyone has info on this "third" book let me know.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 10, 1997 at 14:50:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos of Subway Cars ( currently in operation )
posted by William A. Padron on August 09, 1997 at 14:50:50:
Two more NYC subway books have recently been released:
"Subway City : Riding the Trains, Reading New York"
by Michael W. Brooks (Rutgers University Press)
"The New York Subway System (Building History Series)"
by Tim McNeese
Haven't seen them yet although i did order them from Amazon. They're
in UPS-land somewhere. I think the second of the two is a children's
book but for $21 it seems pricey for a kids book.
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Posted by Viola Schwartz on August 10, 1997 at 16:48:21:
In Reply to: [6]Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted by
Bill Ruiz on August 03, 1997 at 19:30:39:
But if we had trolleys, I couldn't cross Ocean Avenue without tripping
on the tracks. I have to go to the butcher. If I don't go, who's going
to make Murray dinner? The NYCTA? I don't need trolleys. I can just
walk to the deli for chicken cutlets. I mean, I can't even get a glass
of water to take a pill with on the bus. How would that work on a
trolley?? Would I stll get my senior citizen's discount? ANd what
aboput those dangerous over head wires? What if, God forbid, I have a
fire and have to use the fire escape? Won't I get tangled up in the
wires? And does the trolley go to my Internist's office? Or do I gotta
knock myself out walking 10 blocks just like now? Trolleys? Who needs
them. Better we should use the money for finding the cure for this
pain in my left side. It's gonna kill me yet.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 10, 1997 at 21:49:04:
If anyone out there is from the left coast...
Does anyone know if MUNI or the Market Street Railway (historic
trolley group) is planning anything special on Labor Day Weekend a'la
Trolley Parade or open house or anything like that?
--Dave
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Posted by Steve on August 10, 1997 at 21:57:27:
Can someone tell me the fares for the Metrorail & Peoplemover in
Miami.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 11, 1997 at 00:09:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Trolley system in Dallas, TX? posted by donl on
August 09, 1997 at 08:38:35:
Here is a better address for the Mckinney Avenue Transit Authority
web site:
HTTP:sdf.lonestar.org.80/~sdg/mata/index.htm
This is THE site for MATA. It is maintained by a MATA member and gives
all info on the operation.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 11, 1997 at 08:29:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Viola Schwartz on August 10, 1997 at 16:48:21:
Several reasons why streetcars are better than buses:
1. They ride better (No bouncing in and out of storm drains)
2. Less noise (Modern streetcars are almost silent. Can't say that
about a bus)
3. They are cleaner. (No clouds of black soot from the tailpipe)
4. AND... They don't pollute!!!!!
As to tripping on the tracks, have you crossed a New York street
lately?
You can trip right over the potholes. Never mind the rails.
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POSTER>Philip nasadowski
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Posted by Philip nasadowski on August 11, 1997 at 11:52:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Refrigerants and Subway Cars posted by Steve on
August 02, 1997 at 20:20:08:
Actually, there IS an R-11 (refrigerant, not subway car ;) it's used
in cetrifugal compressor systems. actually, it's not used very much,
and mostly in huge systems i think.
Although most central A/Cs are 22, 12 is more widely used than you'd
think... I've seen a LARGE number of 12 room a/c and freezers.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 11, 1997 at 12:35:19:
In Reply to: [6]Why so many delays?? posted by BJ633 on August 08,
1997 at 19:06:30:
The Evanston Express and the Ravenswood Line share the same trackage
betwen the Loop and Belmont. The most likely cause of the delays you
experienced was a Ravenswood train in front of you making all stops to
Belmont with excessive dwell times. That would have caused your train
to
stop between stations or travel slowly until you were provided
clearance.
You may have experienced delays at Howard near the tail end of rush
hour
because of the many Evanston trains waiting for Howard/Dan Ryan (Red
line)
trains to clear the terminal and head back OR lay up at Howard Yard.
Skokie Swift trains also content for the same limited platform space,
so
that may have also contributed to the delays. FInally it only takes
one
train with even a short delay to cause backups down the line.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 11, 1997 at 12:43:24:
In Reply to: [6]New Books Was Re: Photos of Subway Cars ( currently in
operation ) posted by David Pirmann on August 10, 1997 at 14:50:13:
Heard on a recent NY Transit Museum tour, the museum itself is
publishing
what was termed a comprehensive guide to all the subway cars that ever
ran
on the NY subway system ... it's supposed to be a complete
encyclopedia of
stuff on each car.
Estimated publishing date is 1Q98, and I don't have any more specific
details that that, though you might want to call the Transit Museum
itself
(ask for education) to see if they have any updated info.
--Mark
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 11, 1997 at 12:56:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Flyer Artic Buses posted by Fernando Perez on
August 09, 1997 at 00:03:08:
The New Flyer artic fleet numbers are #1001 - 1070
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 11, 1997 at 12:58:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Books Was Re: Photos of Subway Cars (
currently in operation ) posted by Mark S Feinman on August 11, 1997
at 12:43:24:
I wonder if this book project will be shelved (no pun intended) along
with all the tours that have been cancelled and other projects
suspended (i.e. City Hall Station renovation). For those that don't
know, the NY Transit Museum has had a large number of staff quit in
the last month or two. At least a few tours have been cancelled so
far. Usually when large numbers of people quit at once it is an
engineered plan by the management done to clean house, although it's
arguable that having your staff quit makes one look better than firing
them :-). If anyone on the inside is reading this, care to share
what's going on?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 11, 1997 at 13:03:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Books Was Re: Photos of Subway Cars (
currently in operation ) posted by Mark S Feinman on August 11, 1997
at 12:43:24:
One more comment-- does this mean that MTA NYCT is turning over a new
leaf in terms of publications? Prior to this, NYCT has published very
few books- in fact, other than the yearly F&F, none come to mind. None
of the important transit books about the NYC subway have been
published or commissioned by NYCT.
This is completely opposite of London Underground. LUL/LT is the
publisher of MOST of the books available on the history of the London
system. From detailed line-by-line histories to rolling stock books
etc. LT has an official book about everything. And of the books they
don't publish, it seems to me they'd consider it a sin if they didn't
have copies on hand at the LT Museum (e.g. Rails thru the Clay). At
the NYTM it's hit-or-miss that they'll have any of the well known
books at all...
Anyone know why that might be?
--Dave
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Posted by Jeff on August 11, 1997 at 16:58:26:
I have never seen an IRT train on BMT or IND lines so Does anyone know
how an IRT train get to the coney island yard?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 11, 1997 at 17:00:56:
In Reply to: [6]Does anyone know... posted by Jeff on August 11, 1997
at 16:58:26:
There are a number of crossover points.
See [7]http://www.nycsubway.org/faq.html (FAQ in Progress) for
details.
--Dave
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on August 11, 1997 at 17:15:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Does anyone know... posted by David Pirmann on
August 11, 1997 at 17:00:56:
As Dave mentions in his FAQ, the diamond at Queens Plaza is the link
between the 7 and the rest of the world. So if you hang out at, for
example, 34th Street on N/R line during nights, you can often see IRT
cars on their way to/from the shops. The express track is sometimes
used for this purpose (though last weekend I saw a train of R-32s
"parked" there on the downtown side).
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on August 11, 1997 at 18:18:58:
In Reply to: [6]San Francisco - Labor Day Weekend Events? posted by
David Pirmann on August 10, 1997 at 21:49:04:
I checked the Market Street Railway Home Page (www.streetcar.org) and
didn't see any reference to an event around Labor Day. Nor do I recall
reading about anything in the MSRY Newsletter. I was out there a few
weeks ago, and visited the MUNI yard where the historic cars are
stored (a friend of mine helps manage the PCC fleet). Those cars sure
could use their wheels turned!
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Posted by Steve on August 11, 1997 at 19:01:41:
In Reply to: [6]Does anyone know... posted by Jeff on August 11, 1997
at 16:58:26:
There are 3 common routes that IRT cars can use to access the BMT/IND
ROW.
The first is north of Queensboro Plaza, where IRT cars from the #7
line can cross over to the N line tracks to Coney Island.
The second is the flyover track from the #1 line, north of 207th
Street, which leads into 207th Street Yard. 207th Street is the yard
where heavy repairs are made to all IRT cars except for the #7 line
cars.
The third is the lead south of Bedford Park Blvd. on the #4 line into
Concourse Yard. Before the 207th Street flyover, this was the only
route for IRT cars to 207th Street Overhaul Shops. An IRT 'Drag' would
come into Concourse Yard via the lead. There BMT motors would be added
to either end and the train would leave Concourse Yard southbound over
the D line. At 125th Street, the train would be turned northbound,
over the A line into 207th Street yard. The Concourse yard connection
is used now primarily for work trains and #4 trains only.
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Posted by Steve on August 11, 1997 at 19:14:22:
In Reply to: [6]Transit Museum Cars & City Hall Station posted by Todd
Glickman on August 11, 1997 at 16:07:00:
It may come as a suprise to many but most loop tracks are considered
main line trackage. However, not all loops are certified for passenger
service. This includes the loop around Jamaica Yard. As recently as
1991, during incidents where the switches at 75th Ave (northbound)
failed, trains, with passengers (oops, that's customers) were looped
through the Jamaica Portal, around the yard, through the car wash
(sans water) and back out the portal. Other than bypassing the Union
Turnpike Station, the train then continued on it's normal route. With
the re-alignment of the yard tracks during the Jamaica Shop expansion,
the loop was de-certified for passenger use although the route is
still used when needed.
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Posted by Steve on August 11, 1997 at 19:25:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Refrigerants and Subway Cars posted by Steve on
August 02, 1997 at 20:20:08:
Thanks for the correction. I'm sure that there are dozens of obscure
refrigerant types in use throughout the world. However, I believe that
my posting was in response to one which suggested that R-11
refrigerant was used in NYCT equipment.
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Posted by subway-buff on August 11, 1997 at 20:31:28:
In Reply to: [6]Does anyone know... posted by Jeff on August 11, 1997
at 16:58:26:
It would be interesting for Steve with Concourse Yard or someone selse
to post where each line services their rolling stock- both light
overhaul and heavy overhau.
We've covered track maps, etc. and this would be intersting.l
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Posted by subway-buff on August 11, 1997 at 20:31:38:
In Reply to: [6]Does anyone know... posted by Jeff on August 11, 1997
at 16:58:26:
It would be interesting for Steve with Concourse Yard or someone else
to post where each line services their rolling stock- both light
overhaul and heavy overhau.
We've covered track maps, etc. and this would be intersting.l
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Posted by subway-buff on August 11, 1997 at 20:37:27:
As promised. I am sharing NJT's response to my e-mail of joint tickets
with NJT and LIRR like they do with SEPTA.
They have advised that market studies indicate insufficient demand .
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 11, 1997 at 21:06:33:
I would like help from anyone out there concerning the Museum,
including hours and admision or where I can find info on the web. I
tried a lot of different things and haven't found not a thing. Thanks
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on August 11, 1997 at 22:34:41:
Although I never had any bad experiences on the NYC subways, except
for stuff I had to step over, I know visitors are always warned about
subway crime (and I don't know how typical my experience has been). A
colleague of mine is about to start at Albert Einstein College in The
Bronx. As I have been gone from the greater metropolitan area for a
few years, my advice to this NYC first-timer may not be up to date. (I
was going to go with "Take a cab.") Should my friend be concerned, and
if so, in what areas?
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Posted by Steve on August 12, 1997 at 00:06:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Does anyone know... posted by subway-buff on
August 11, 1997 at 20:31:38:
The following lines service their fleets at these maintenance shops
A Line .. R44s at Pitkin and R-38s at 207th Street
B Line ,, R-40s and R-68As at Coney Island
C Line .. R-32 at Pitkin and R-38s at 207th St
D Line .. R-68s at Concourse Shop
E Line .. R-32 & R-46 at Jamaica
F Line .. R-46 @ Jamaica
G Line .. R-46 @ Jamaica
J Line .. R-42 @ East NY
L Line .. R-42 @ East NY
M Line .. R-40 & R-42 @ East NY
N Line .. R-32 & R-68 @ Coney Island
Q Line .. R-68 or R-68A @ Coney Island
R Line .. R-32 & R-46 @ Jamaica
FS Line .. R-68 @ Coney Island
S Line .. Same as A line
NOTE: Some of the above will be changed in 1998
Overhaul shops - Pitkin and 207th Street fleets use 207th Street
Overhaul Shop. All other B division cars use Coney Island Overhaul
Shop.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 12, 1997 at 00:11:24:
In Reply to: [6]Are you safe? posted by Charlie Bonaire on August 11,
1997 at 22:34:41:
Your friend should not be concerned as much as cautious. The best
advice I can offer is this:
Assume all unidentified swimming animals are sharks.
When sharks are present - don't bleed.
In other words - use caution and common sense.
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Posted by Steve on August 12, 1997 at 00:23:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Does anyone know... posted by subway-buff on
August 11, 1997 at 20:31:38:
The following IRT Cars are serviced at the following Maintenance
Shops.
#1 & 9 Lines ..... R-62A @ 240th Street Yard
#2 Line ............. Redbirds @ 239th St
#3 Line ............ R-62A @ Livonia Shop
#4 Line ........... R-33 & R-62 @ Jerome Shop
#5 Line ........... All @ East 180th Street - (Now at 239th Street
while East
180th Street Shop is re-built
#6 Line ........... Redbirds & R-62As @ Pelham Shop
#7 Line ........... R-33s & R-36s @ Corona Mtce Shop
S Line ............ Pelham Mtce Shop
All heavy repairs of A division cars are done at 207th Street Overhaul
Shop except #7 line cars which are done at Coney island.
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Posted by aaron on August 12, 1997 at 08:36:30:
In Reply to: [6]SEPTA Transit musuem posted by Fernando Perez on
August 11, 1997 at 21:06:33:
It is a waste of time. There is one, yes one PCC car at subway level
and
a mediocre bookstore at street level. Admission is free, you get what
you
pay for...
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Posted by aaron on August 12, 1997 at 12:54:49:
What's your vote for the ugliest subway car currently in service
nationwide. Mine is a tie between SEPTA's Budd A-49/50s that run on
the
Market-Frankford line and the NYC R40s built by the St. Louis Car Co.
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Posted by Bingo on August 12, 1997 at 13:26:27:
In Reply to: [5]ugliest subway car poll posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 12:54:49:
If you had an subway interior category, my vote would definetely go
for the H-5 cars in Toronto, built by Hawker-Siddeley.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 12, 1997 at 13:31:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Books- Transit Museum posted by David Pirmann
on August 11, 1997 at 12:58:26:
Is the fall Transit Museum tour schedule (for members
at least) already out? What tours were cancelled?
(Sometimes they get cancelled because of lack of
interest, though I have yet to go on a tour that hasn't
been sold out.)
I wasn't aware of the current turmoil at the museum
that you describe, but on the Routes Not Built tour I
was on last winter, the book came up in conversation.
What we were told was that people were calling the
museum to ask about books containing rolling stock
information, and there wasn't one comprehensive book on
the topic (although Ed Davis' "They Moved the Millions"
sure comes close). You had to check various books to
get the collective picture, so the museum, I guess in
an attempt to meet this need and add another way of
raising revenue, decided to create this rolling stock
"encyclopedia" that was being written by various folks
in NYC transit who worked on the cars, and that
includes retirees that worked on some of the older
cars. They hoped at the time to have it done in the
first quarter of 1998. If the museum is going through
some kind of shakeup, this may have an impact on the
book; I don't know.
Other than this, I don't think the Museum (or NYC
Transit) is going into the publishing business.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 12, 1997 at 13:37:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO on the Evanston Express posted by Brian on
August 08, 1997 at 13:35:29:
I don't know if there are long term plans to convert
all of the NYC subway lines to OPTO and what that
schedule might be. Perhaps someone else following
along that works for NYC Transit might be better able
to comment on OPTO plans. But I think it's in the
future for sure. New cars are being ordered with
transverse cabs that can certainly accommodate OPTO.
It would take just one successful trial along one line
(longer than a shuttle route for instance) to get the
ball rolling, and it is certainly a technical
feasibility.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 12, 1997 at 13:46:46:
Heard on WCBS Newsradio 88 in New York this morning
(8/12): an escalator was stolen from the Court Street
(Brooklyn) station back in June. The escalators are
being rebuilt and one of them was stolen. 80 steps
weighing in at 40 lbs each with an estimated value of
$1,000 per step were removed over some period of time.
If you've seen anyone carrying large, shiny, suspicious
objects in the vicinity of Court Street while riding
the M,N,R,2,3,4 or 5 lines, or perhaps on the buses
that travel within blocks of downtown Brooklyn, I'm
sure NYC Transit would like to discuss this with you.
Also, if your building has been suddenly renovated with
a shiny, new escalator that was added as "an addendum
to the original building plan" that might not go
anywhere (hmmm, 63rd Street might be able to use it),
contact your superintendent for full details.
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Posted by Michael S. Buglak on August 12, 1997 at 14:11:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SEPTA Transit musuem posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 08:36:30:
Actually, it is more of a store than a museum. There are a couple of
exhibits but it is no match for NYC's Transit Museum. The hours are
Monday-Saturday, 10a-5p. If you are still interested, email me & I'll
give you directions. - Michael S. Buglak, Collegeville, PA
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Posted by Michael LoCascio on August 12, 1997 at 14:33:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Dan Lawrence on August 11, 1997 at 08:29:40:
Your 100% right! I have tried to cross streets and I not only trip on
all the divots and holes, but I slip on "dog doo."
One other thing following up on your abservations on the reason why
trolleys are better, the last a lot longer. Some of Philly's PCCs are
still in service after decades of use ( now alive and well in San
Francisco), can you say that about a bus. It might be a little more
expensive to buy but the retun in a lot better
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 12, 1997 at 17:05:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 3rd Ave "EL" in Brooklyn posted by Gary Jacobi on
August 08, 1997 at 13:09:06:
The Third Av. el in Brooklyn was little more than a shuttle extending
the Fifth Av. service to approximately where the Sea Beach Line ties
into the Fourth Av. Subway today. Most Fifth Av. service was focused
on filling headways on the Culver and West End lines, and ran north of
36th St. only. A lot of subway service on those routes was cut back to
9th Av. during rush hours due to equipment shortages and the 'el'
trains filled in. One comment in the "Tracks of New York" was that
photos of the Third Av. segment were rare in any event. Streetcars
climbed to the structure at the outer end and provided a direct
transfer.
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Posted by subway-buff on August 12, 1997 at 17:40:30:
In Reply to: [6]OPTO in NYC (was Re: OPTO on the Evanston Express)
posted by Mark S Feinman on August 12, 1997 at 13:37:47:
Some lines are unable to work with OPTO, such as South Ferry- How
would the motor person cut out half the train! 145 and Lenox- 4 cars
only-Likewise how does the motor person cut out the rear 5 cars!
Most lines maybe- all lines ? no!
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 12, 1997 at 17:48:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Are you safe? posted by Steve on August 12, 1997
at 00:11:24:
Safety is often a matter of prevention. Don't let your actions tag you
as an easy mark. Be familiar with where you are going. Learn where the
trains stop when fewer cars are operating, stay out of places where
there is poor visibility, be alert and usually you won't attract the
attention of potential miscreants. NYCT is a good operation, and has a
good security system, but you can't watch every nook and cranny of
over 400 stations!
Here in Boston we are creating a system conducive to crime. Instead of
brightly painted stations with lots of white tilework, we have a rough
sound absorant meterial on the ceilings which is dark gray! Stations
have more and more nooks and crannys without good sight lines.
Lighting is indirect, often relying on reflections off the gray
surfaces. Other panels are off white with perforations, which attract
subway dust. and become enlarged visually by the black grime,
reflecting less light. Finally the tinted windows on the cars make it
impossible to see the platform or sometimes even read the signs. Dumb!
Gerry
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 12, 1997 at 18:19:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Bingo on August
12, 1997 at 13:26:27:
My vote is for e hometown "favorite", Boston's No. 1 South Shore cars
as built. Architecturally the cars are a ZERO, flat ends with
absolutely no streamlining. Add to this the brushed aluminum 'finish'
which the cars were delivered with, and you had a squarish box which
came from the manufacturer looking dirty. Inside you could have any
color you wanted, as long as it was a shade of gray! The seats and
floor were black, relieved only by the knife cuts in the seat cushions
which revealed off white padding. The flourescent lighting was
adaquate, but with a bright interior the cars would have been doggone
bright. And finally there were no advertisments at all, though a map
card was thoughtfully provided near each door. Even the end bulkhead
at the cab was gray, with gray tinted glass in the cab partition and
all around the car. (except for the end windows which were clear so
that you could see that the other half of the married pair was just as
ugly).
Thankfully after several years, the exteriors were painted red and
white with gray roofs. However the follow-up order of painted steel
cars used the same plans and with the exception of inward facing seats
with thin padding, the same interior!
Compare this with the earlier 01400s, which despite being the most
uncomfortable and noisy subway cars ever built, had floors of off
white tile, orange fibreglass seats, light blue window area, doors and
bulkheads, stainless steel ad racks, back-lighted color line and
system maps, and an off white ceiling with gold flecks. In all, there
were 80 bulls-eye ceiling lights, plus the lights behind the maps and
so-forth.
The 01800s, which are stainless steel, still have the gray interior,
though at least the seats have red upholstry!
But the 01500 and 01600 cars are the pits, even compared to the slant
end R-40 with its plethora of safety equipment, or those "Almond Joy"
cars in Philadelphia!
Gerry
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Posted by subway-buff on August 12, 1997 at 18:27:17:
In Reply to: [6]ugliest subway car poll posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 12:54:49:
My vote goes to the R 32 rebuilds (not the ten by GE but the others).
They are bland outside and even blander inside. Second place goes to
the Non-WF mainline IRT Redbirds that do *not* have the tilt "picture"
window.
The R-38 cars are ok- The combo of fluted and flat stainless makes
them more intersting. I'm sure the seemingly grimy look of the R32
musty ber the dust collecting in the raised /fluted side of the cars.
The GE cars are nice- They kept the lighted ads (I've ridden them!)
My vote for favorite cars:
All-time: IRT Lo-V
Current Fleet: R-44/46. 2nd place R62/A, R68/A (tie)
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 12, 1997 at 18:30:26:
In Reply to: [6]Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by Mark S
Feinman on August 12, 1997 at 13:46:46:
As Todd Glickman reminded me, Seashore recently obtained the lower 1/4
of an old escalator from the MBTA. (Don't worry, it had wooden cleats
instead of aluminum steps) But it was no simple project, and could not
be done without being noticed by someone. Only some pretty sharp
crooks could pull this off, probably posing as repairmen. But why? For
the same level of effort, they could have stolen something far more
valuable, less bulky, and even marketable! There has to be more to
this story!
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 12, 1997 at 18:46:38:
In Reply to: [5]Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by Mark S
Feinman on August 12, 1997 at 13:46:46:
This will make you sick, but odds are the step castings went for
scrap. We lose bridge rails all the time in California, and that's
where they go. The crooks get pennies on the dollar, but since it's
all "profit" they go for it.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 12, 1997 at 19:02:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: OPTO in NYC (was Re: OPTO on the Evanston Express)
posted by subway-buff on August 12, 1997 at 17:40:30:
With current train-door mechanisms that is true. There is nothing that
prevents them from developing a remote cut-out for door control on
cars that aren't on the platform... So don't expect this or other
simple mechanical issues from preventing it from happening.
With new trains coming I wonder if this isn't already planned for:-)
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 12, 1997 at 19:16:59:
In Reply to: [5]New Books Was Re: Photos of Subway Cars ( currently in
operation ) posted by David Pirmann on August 10, 1997 at 14:50:13:
I have complained to Amazon.com about their failure to note Juvenile
books as such. To some extent fiction/non fiction can also be a
problem if not clearly labelled. Add your 2 cents on their comments
form, and maybe they will change. Meanwhile, would anybody like a nice
picture book on the building of the LA subways?
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Posted by Bobw on August 12, 1997 at 21:10:48:
In Reply to: [6]SEPTA Transit musuem posted by Fernando Perez on
August 11, 1997 at 21:06:33:
Despite aaron's advice, the museum is somewhat interesting, although
it is small. I would suggest that you not make a special trip to see
it, especially if you're coming from out of town (I assume you are,
given your previous messages on this service), but if you're here for
some other reason, it's a good way to kill a half-hour or so. It's a
shame that SEPTA didn't save more, and most folks I know ask the same
question - after PTC's purchase of 1000 GM old-look buses in 1955 to
replace the last of the non-PCC trolley lines, you'd have thought that
at least one of the buses would have been saved. Most of these were
still in service when SEPTA took over in '68 and a good number lasted
through the late 70's. SEPTA is going to restore two Brill C-31 buses
it obtained from elsewhere in Pennsylvania and plans to display them
in the Museum also (PTC never had these, but Red Arrow had some).
Flxible 6569 is preserved and operable ('74 vintage) but is stored at
one of the operating garages. Perhaps someday it will have a spot in
the Museum also...
Our New York friends who like to beat up on the transit in my town
(but always seem to arrange fan trips here to ride the trolleys,
tracklesses, etc) tend to forget the size comparison. SEPTA's rapid
transit fleet is less than 10% the size of NYCT and we have no
abandoned subway stops to convert into a museum. The so-called ugly
Market-Frankford cars are one of only two active fleets we have on our
rapid lines. But we still have trolleys.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on August 12, 1997 at 22:48:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Dan Lawrence on August 11, 1997 at 08:29:40:
Dan Lawrence writes:
> 4. AND... They don't pollute!!!!!
Where do you think the electricity to run them comes from? From the
same trees which grow the money for all sorts of fanciful transit
schemes we all love to propose?
It is more correct to say they potentially polute less per passenger
carried.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on August 12, 1997 at 23:02:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Mike LoCascio on August 05, 1997 at 21:54:55:
Mike LoCascio writes:
> There are areas that are depressed and longing for a shot in the
> arm to help bring the neighborhood back (Rockaway and Coney Island
> areas). Trolleys would be that "shot in the arm" not only bringing a
new
> mode of clean transportation to the areas but a local tourist
> attraction for new Yorkers as well as persons visiting New York.
From my understanding of obtaining scarce transit dollars, tourist
attraction doesn't cut it. This is about the most ridiculous reason I
have heard for investing tens of millions of dollars into trolleys.
Trolleys make sense on heavily patronized bus routes, and on routes
where significant private right of way exists. You might note that new
trolley lines in other cities are not built as tourist attractions,
but as the backbone of these small cities transit systems.
For a good example of sensible trolley use, in Philadelphia, the
subway surface lines are all heavily patronized, and run half their
distanc in a trolley tunnle under Market St. and Woodland Ave. The
surface lines (now temporarily bused), are among the busiest as well.
In fact, the number 23 was the busiest route in the system besides the
two subway lines (it caries 30,000 patrons per day). The proposals in
Philadelphia for additional service mainly concern additional
crosstown capacity on a busy route - the 60, which was formerly
trolley until the unfortunate carbarn fie some two decades ago, which
destroyed much of the fleet.
In New York, trolleys serve a theoretical purpose in being able to go
where a Subway cannot or is not practical. Otherwise, simply given the
extent of the system, a subway makes infinitely more sense. This being
the case, trolleys would make sense only in Staten Island and outer
Queens. I doubt they'd do anything for the Rockaways which the subway
has not been able to accomplish. Ditto for Coney Island.
Andy
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on August 12, 1997 at 23:16:33:
I was wondering if PCC cars have ever been used in the NY transit
system.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 12, 1997 at 23:47:17:
In Reply to: [6]ugliest subway car poll posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 12:54:49:
I agree with you on the R-40's, but my only difference is pre safety
additions the R40's were the prettiest cars!
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 13, 1997 at 08:31:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Andrew Byler on August 12, 1997 at 23:02:03:
Thanks to Joe Testagrose we have photos of the carbarn fire which you
mention. [7]Historical Philadelphia Pictures
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Posted by Dan on August 13, 1997 at 09:16:11:
In Reply to: [5]PCCs in NYC posted by Charlie Bonaire on August 12,
1997 at 23:16:33:
The PCC cars were used on the Brooklyn trolley services until the
elimination of all trolley service in 1956.
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Posted by Pops on August 13, 1997 at 09:45:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Viola Schwartz on August 10, 1997 at 16:48:21:
Viola is right! As a young man I lived in Brooklyn and used trolleys
frequently (no one had autos in the early 1920's) . Anyone who really
used trolleys will remember that they weren't so great. They had
uncomfortable seats, the straw would stick you right in the damn
heiney (excuse language). The motorman were surly and would spit gobs
of who-knows-what out the window. Many of the passengers smelled like
swine and would drool on their transfers, a health hazard I'd say!
Buses were an improvement, they could go anywhere and you didn't have
to worry about those wires electrocuting you in a rainstorm.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 13, 1997 at 13:08:04:
In Reply to: [6]ugliest subway car poll posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 12:54:49:
In no particular order, I think these subway cars are the ugliest:
- Slant R40s since the rebuild. Forget about the safety railings
installed after the R40s debuted ... the door windows are completely
uneven with the picture windows making for an ugly appearance. The
R40Ms and R42 are close but these get points for their revised fronts.
- R32 since the rebuild. The cab ends look naked with just the
singular illuminator sign. The R38s look much nicer.
- The C Types. Though I never saw one in person, the pictures I've
seen make these cars look like they came from parts of 4 other
carscombined.
- Older cars of the Paris Metro. Yeech!
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 13, 1997 at 13:14:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SEPTA Transit musuem posted by Bobw on August 12,
1997 at 21:10:48:
... and the Market/Frankford cars are due for retirement very soon
with the arrival of the M4s (as I thinkl they're called).
This would be a good time for SEPTA to put away a married pair of MF
cars for eventual display in their museum. (Some have already been
scrapped). Ugly as some people might think they are, they carried alot
of people for a very long time.
--Mark
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Posted by Timothy on August 13, 1997 at 19:31:29:
Can anyone tell me why commuter rail lines have a different fare
structure
than that of buses, subways, trolleys, etc.? How come tokens and
transfers
are not honored on commuter trains? How come commuter rail systems
don't
fall under the same catagory as subways, elevateds, and trolleys? Why
do
you have to buy tickets to pay fares on commuter trains, instead of
having
fare boxes, similar to those on buses and trolleys installed at each
end
of the train, and manned by a conductor, who would see that each
passenger
pays as they enter the train? And finally, unlike the buses, subways,
and
trolleys, How come rush hour fares on commuter rail lines are higher
than
off peak fares, instead of having a "fixed" fare good for anytime? I
feel
that it would be much more convenient, and less confusing if commuter
rail
lines operated the same way as the rest of the transit system.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on August 13, 1997 at 21:51:54:
In Reply to: [6]Commuter Rail Fares posted by Timothy on August 13,
1997 at 19:31:29:
Timothy asks:
>Can anyone tell me why commuter rail lines have a different fare
structure
>than that of buses, subways, trolleys, etc.? How come tokens and
transfers
>are not honored on commuter trains? How come commuter rail systems
don't
>fall under the same catagory as subways, elevateds, and trolleys? Why
do
Commuter railroads do not necessarily have a different fare structure.
In Philadelphia, the same fare zones apply to buses in the suburbs as
to the commuter rail lines. In the city, however, there is a flat zone
fare for transit, while the commuter trains are graded.
The reason for the differences is that commuter trains are much more
expensive to operate. As there are very few automated or honor systems
in this country, most commuter lines require armies of conductors,
trainmen, and ticket agents.
Commuter rail is different from other transit modes in that it is
regulated by the Federal Railroad Administration and Surface
Transportation Board, rather than the Federal Transit Administration.
The origins of this discrepancy date back to the Interstate Commerce
Act of 1887 and later Federal railroad legislation. By these acts,
interurban and trolley lines were exempted from federal regulation as
being outside of the streams of commerce between states. This was
later extended to buses and subways when they were invented. To
qualify for such a waiver of railroad regulation, a rail system must
show that it does not carry frieght, and that it is not connected
directly to passenger only systems which connect with freight
railroads. These distinctions can become arbitrary. PATH is considered
a railroad, because its predecessor, the Hudson and Manhattan Railroad
shared track with the Pennsylvania. These connections have long since
been severed, but there is great opsition to reclassifying PATH on the
part of the maintainance unions, who benefit from the requirements of
more frequent inspections. The New York Subway, on the other hand, as
with a number of other systems, did carry freight, but was still
exempt, through its South Brooklyn Railway subsidiary. The major
differences are over inspection timing, and the buffing strength
(crashworthiness) of the cars - the buffing strength is much higher
for railroads than for transit, hence the more massive equipment.
Commuter railroads are also generally distinguished by less frequent
stops than on a transit line, lesser frequencies, and longer train
length - though these are by no means universally applicable
standards. Perhaps the old Supreme Court obscenity standard is the
best - "I know it when I see it."
>you have to buy tickets to pay fares on commuter trains, instead of
having
>fare boxes, similar to those on buses and trolleys installed at each
end
>of the train, and manned by a conductor, who would see that each
passenger
>pays as they enter the train? And finally, unlike the buses, subways,
and
Because the stops are further apart, the conductor and trainmen have
plenty of time to collect fares before anyone can get off. Even where
this is not the case, as on some intracity lines, the majority of the
riders are to the central business district, and riders detraining
before then are quickly seen by the conductor and trainmen, who must
man the doors. Where there can be problems is on a line with frequent
stops with many people boarding and disembarking at each. On the Paoli
line from Philadelphia, this becomes problematic with the many
students riding to and from various academies such as Haverford, Bryn
Mawr, Rosemont, Villanova, etc. All to frequently, they are able to
get on and off before the conductor has gotten to them. In general,
the problem is no worse than the turnstile jumping in New York.
>trolleys, How come rush hour fares on commuter rail lines are higher
than
>off peak fares, instead of having a "fixed" fare good for anytime? I
feel
>that it would be much more convenient, and less confusing if commuter
rail
>lines operated the same way as the rest of the transit system.
COmmuter trains must have peak and offpeak fares to equalize equipment
use and ridership as much as possible. Ideally, everyone would like to
ride in between 7:30 and 9 am and leave between 4:30 and 6 pm. From
the railroads point of view, this creates problems of equipment which
sits idle and unproductive all day. To try to solve this problem to
some extent, fares are discounted outside peak hours or in the
direction opposite of most travel, and are raised during the peak
hours. The sucess of such programs varies. Some time ago, on the
Reading lines out of Philadelphia, a full 1/4 of all fares were off
peak, the highest in the country. Other lines have thrown in the towel
and only operate during the peak hours. Generally, the lines with the
most even riding patterns are blessed with the following - 1) typical
8 am to 5 pm commuters, 2) 7 am to 3 pm students, 3) 10 am to 4 pm
shoppers, 5 pm to 11 pm evening crowds. Most lines haul almost
entirely group number 1. Only the most important lines, with many
destinations along the way, see anything resmbling even riding
patterns (such as the NJT Trenton - New York line or the SEPTA Paoli -
Philadelphia line).
While it might be less confusing to adopt transit like fares, the
railroads would need massive subsidies to do so. Many lines reach up
to 60 miles into the suburbs, which is much to far for any sort of
flat fare to be cost effective (longer hauls cost more money). And
actually, the universally acknowledged most complex fare structure
award goes to the Washington Metro - a transit system.
Andy
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Posted by Zack on August 13, 1997 at 22:11:14:
is the TA doing anything to prevert their old stored cars looking
acceptable and not being broken in to???????/
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Posted by Bobw on August 13, 1997 at 23:08:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SEPTA Transit musuem posted by Mark S Feinman on
August 13, 1997 at 13:14:33:
While the current El fleet is not the most sleek and handsome in the
world, it has its good points, as you've attested. Just like the IRT
Redbirds, which were often denounced as plain old boxes with waffle
ceilings, but everyone's scrambling to get pictures of them now that
their days are numbered.
It may be a while before the M4 cars are here in sufficient numbers to
push the Budds out of regular runs. Only the mismated married pair of
test cars is here, the order is a year and a half behind. Adtranz says
that 32 married pairs will be on the property by the end of the year,
and reportedly this will be Adtranz's last transit car order. Feel
free to believe any of these three statements that you want. The test
cars have failed to clear several close areas in the subway, taking
out some tunnel lights (allegedly) in the process, and may be too
heavy and too wide (trying to "fishbelly" the body to give more
interior room is not working). Meanwhile, some Budds are already going
to the scrap line.
The beauty of the Budds to me is their timelessness. SEPTA has for the
most part kept them in good operating order and they look nice too. To
those who don't know better, I don't think you'd get an accurate guess
at their age (when SEPTA announced the need to replace them, some
folks wrote the local papers that it was a waste of money to retire
such new cars). Of course, this on a system which kept museum relics
on Broad St until they just couldn't run any more - and SEPTA is not
known for its maintenance. I think the Budds are much more classy and
handsome than the Kawasakis on Broad St - the front ends, with all the
marker lights, remind me of some tin toy from the '60's (I hate to say
"made in Japan"). These would be much more handsome if some more care
would have been put into the design of the ends.
Back to your point - no doubt a few Budds will be saved, and
hopefully, at least one will end up alongside PCC 2733 in the
concourse level of 1234 Market.
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Posted by Joe M on August 13, 1997 at 23:58:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PCCs in NYC posted by Dan on August 13, 1997 at
09:16:11:
NYC had the first PCC it is now at the trolley museum in Kingston NY
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Posted by irv on August 14, 1997 at 03:45:19:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Mtce. Yards posted by Steve on August 12, 1997
at 00:06:04:
Isn't the M services at Metropolitan Ave?
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Posted by Steve on August 14, 1997 at 10:30:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Mtce. Yards posted by irv on August 14,
1997 at 03:45:19:
The M train fleet is serviced at East NY Yard on Bushwick Avenue.
There is a lay-up yard (fresh pond) at Metropolitan Ave but there are
no servicing facilities there.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 14, 1997 at 12:51:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: SEPTA Transit musuem posted by Bobw on August 13,
1997 at 23:08:37:
I've always felt that the Budds, despite the half-blind fronts and the
vents on the roofs were more attractive than the the Frankford cars.
As to the Kawasaki's on Broad: To me it looks like all K did was to
copy the Brills in Stainless steel and add lights all over the front.
They may resemble the Brills, but they don't deliver. (Although I'm
beginning to hear faint gear growl - may be wishful hearing, or could
be "that SEPTA maintenance.)
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 14, 1997 at 12:58:20:
In Reply to: [6]ugliest subway car poll posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 12:54:49:
Id have to say that
1)The BART cars.Ugly,ugly,ugly....and not for the bay area
2)all the PATH cars are ugly to be...but especially the ones with the
white car bodies.
3)yes...the R-40 is up there
4)the CTA's 2400 and 2600 series cars.The car bodies are like dark
alloy and they have tinted windows for an overall ugly appearence(to
me anyway)
5)the Breda DC Metro cars.what can i say there just not great looking
cars(and those rubber tires make me sick).But look ok in the rest of
the ugly architecture of the Metro.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 14, 1997 at 13:00:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Andrew Byler on August 12, 1997 at 22:48:20:
O.K. , I yield. Actually the pollution is less and can be concentrated
away from an urban area. As an aside, in the Greater Baltimore are
almost 45% of electric power is generated by burning trash.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 14, 1997 at 13:01:31:
In Reply to: [6]ugliest subway car poll posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 12:54:49:
Id have to say that
1)The BART cars.Ugly,ugly,ugly....and not for the bay area
2)all the PATH cars are ugly to be...but especially the ones with the
white car bodies.
3)yes...the R-40 is up there
4)the CTA's 2400 and 2600 series cars.The car bodies are like dark
alloy and they have tinted windows for an overall ugly appearence(to
me anyway)
5)the Breda DC Metro cars.what can i say there just not great looking
cars(and those rubber tires make me sick).But look ok in the rest of
the ugly architecture of the Metro.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 14, 1997 at 13:10:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Bryan Layne on
August 14, 1997 at 12:58:20:
These are my favorites.........not in any particular order......
1)the Redbirds
2)the R-32
3)CTA's 3200 series cars
4)SEPTA's new M-4 cars(i think thats right)
5)all of the MBTA cars(some of the last cars in the US with painted
car bodies)
6)Cleveland REd Line cars(with overhead power)
7)i actually like LA's Red Line cars
8)I like the MARTA cars too
9)the R-62
10)the R-68
11)Toronto TTC cars
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Posted by Ed Sachs on August 14, 1997 at 14:02:12:
In Reply to: [6]Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by Bryan Layne on
August 14, 1997 at 13:10:24:
I always thought that the old BMT cars were really sharp looking,
espcially the Triplexes.
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on August 14, 1997 at 14:23:58:
In Reply to: [5]ugliest subway car poll posted by aaron on August 12,
1997 at 12:54:49:
I always thoght the old IRT 1938 Worlds Fair cars were pretty sad
looking things.They certainly aged about as badly as any car ever did.
Whoever is also right about the C units. Although you gotta admit the
BMT did throw them together in a hurry, and for virtually no money!
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 14, 1997 at 15:20:51:
Recently I was asked if the subway always operated 24 hour per day
service. I wasn't sure one way or the other. Did the IRT have 24 hour
service on Day One? Did the Manhattan and Brooklyn Elevated systems
have 24 hour service? Any info would be appreciated.
--Dave
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 14, 1997 at 16:30:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by Ed Sachs on
August 14, 1997 at 14:02:12:
I think when MTA tried to unite all the cars to look the same in the
70's it looked pretty sharp. The r40's,r42's,r44's and r46's and the
M1 commuter cars.
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Posted by Nick on August 14, 1997 at 18:17:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: A CLOSE CALL!! posted by Willie on August 05, 1997
at 13:01:46:
How could I forget! The NYPD and EMS did a fantastic job too!
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Posted by Nick on August 14, 1997 at 18:22:55:
Dave, thanks very much for the computer-generated photo of the R142.
One question though. In the pic, the front of the train, the route
indicator (in this case the #5) is the typical sticker on the window.
I thought it would be more like the R110 A el;ectronic sign, like the
rebuilt R-38's (I think) Also, does the MTA plan to have colored
electronic signs on the sides of the subways, or we'll they continue
to be yellow and black? THANK YOU!
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Posted by Jeff on August 14, 1997 at 18:52:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Flyer Artic Buses posted by Fernando Perez on
August 09, 1997 at 00:03:08:
Why are the floors on the articualed buses so low? And if the low
floors dont agree with the rugged terrain of NYC streets what will the
MTA do then?
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Posted by Koi on August 14, 1997 at 21:15:55:
In Reply to: [6]24 hour service started when? posted by David Pirmann
on August 14, 1997 at 15:20:51:
AFAIK, 24 hour service has been aruond on the IRT since Day One.
As for the Manhattan elevated system, I believe that 24 hour service
was started shortly after the first el opened. and has existed ever
since on the els until they were torn down.
I'm not sure about the Brooklyn Elevated system.
Koi
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 14, 1997 at 21:19:32:
In Reply to: [6]El Structures For Model Railroads posted by Timothy on
August 14, 1997 at 15:56:56:
Check out our list of model vendors at [7]Vendors. I know there was at
least one company making el structures, and there's quite a few
companies (notably Images Replicas) making inexpensive NYC subway car
models.
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Posted by Zack on August 14, 1997 at 21:35:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC
(second try!) posted by Fernando Perez on August 13, 1997 at 01:13:22:
on portlands westiside-MAX line the surronding developement is mike a
million??? on new buildings bisness etc, on the new eastside max there
already bilding and it hasent even opend yet. ith has atteacted
bisness homes and revialtalised the area
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 14, 1997 at 23:07:09:
In Reply to: [6]New buses posted by Jeff on August 14, 1997 at
18:52:17:
The new floor scheme the Department of buses is going with has been
experimented for a while now, and they claim that it works well even
in the most pothole ridden streets. The low floor design permits the
disabled to enter from the front easier, including those in
wheelchairs with a ramp that lowers that the operator controls from
the seat. Ive driven these New Flyer buses at Lagurdia Airport for the
Port Authority here in New York before I worked for New York city
transit, and the only problem I found with them is you must watch out
for high curbs because they scrape the bottom of the stepwell if you
pull in to close to the stop.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 15, 1997 at 01:00:59:
In Reply to: [5]New buses posted by Jeff on August 14, 1997 at
18:52:17:
You mentioned the floors being low in the articulateds. Are you
referring to the New Flyer artics - they are not low floor buses. The
low floor bus being tested by NYCT is a New Flyer, but it's a 40 foot
bus. I think it would be a mistake for NYCT to operate them,
especially on busy routes, because of the steps in the rear of the
bus. I see it a series of unfunate accidents waiting to happen - and
of course they'll be lawsuits following - but this is just my opinion.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on August 15, 1997 at 07:45:30:
In Reply to: [6]El Structures For Model Railroads posted by Timothy on
August 14, 1997 at 15:56:56:
Currently, there are no commercial models of "El" structures available
in HO scale. Chicagoland Hobby, 6017 N. Northwest Hwy, Chicago, IL
(312)775-4848 has Chicago prototype El structures available in O
scale. Years ago (in the seventies) Model Traction Supply offered cast
white metal El structure components, but no longer produces this
product. You might try contacting Joel Lovitch at MTS Imports, P.O.
Box 50 , Middletown, NY and see what he knows about the status of
these castings. I think that Norm Hauser P.O. Box 68, Fountainville,
PA is currently offering many of the old Model Traction Supply parts
and he MAY have these available. MicroEngineering has injection molded
styrene kits for a "city viaduct" that could be used to simulate an El
structure, but it is based on a railroad trestle prototype, not a true
El. Images Replicas has plans to bring injection molded styrene kits
of the Third Avenue El (Manhatten) to the market. You can contact them
at
Images Replicas, P.O. Box 99, East Norwich, NY. Otherwise, you will
have to scratch build the El structure. This is not as bad as you
might think. See Pat Villani's home page at
www.iop.com/~patv/railroad.html for references regarding model El
construction. Mr. Villani is currently undertaking an El construction
project using casting techniques. He has also published some photos of
my El models that were constructed from basswood assembled in jigs.
Hope this helps. Good Luck!
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Posted by aaron on August 15, 1997 at 09:26:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by Fernando Perez
on August 14, 1997 at 16:30:45:
Ok, since I started the ugliest subway car poll, it is only fitting
that
I respond to the best lookin' subway car.
The best lookin' subway car was the recently scrapped 2000 series
built
by Pullman Standard for the CTA in the early 60s. These were the first
air-conditioned subway cars built in the country and were very stylish
in
their original green and white paint scheme. Subsequent repaintings to
silver and black tarnished their image. A two-car unit rests at the
Illinois Railway Museum in Union, IL and another unit is rumored to be
in storage in the Harlem Avenue shops on the Green Line. Can anyone
verify
this?
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Posted by Dave on August 15, 1997 at 09:36:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structures For Model Railroads posted by David
Pirmann on August 14, 1997 at 21:19:32:
The Red Caboose, 23 West 45th St., 212-575-0155 had (had) some brass
NYCTA subway cars. There's another hobby shop across the street (the
name escapes me but I'm sure some of the NY browsers to this board
know the name) also has some brass models.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 15, 1997 at 09:48:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by aaron on August
15, 1997 at 09:26:46:
The Hudson & Manhattan / PATH MP-52 (1200-1229) and K (1230-1249)
series cars (same design but the designations were different due to
the PRR owning the MP-52's and the H&M owning the K cars; they were
used in pool service on the Newark-Journal Square joint service line)
were air conditioned from the builder (St. Louis Car), in 1958. So
that's before the early 60s :)
--Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 15, 1997 at 09:55:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by aaron on August
15, 1997 at 09:26:46:
My 2c on the best looking thread-- I like the new London Jubilee line
cars (and really any of the London tube red-white-blue rebuilds). They
look pretty sleek. (Pictures [7]here.)
The BART slope-front cars are pretty cool--obviously they learned from
the R40 mistake when they built these a couple years after the R40).
The flat-front cab cars are pretty ugly though. (Pictures [8]here.)
As for New York, someone said they liked the BMT D-types.. I always
thought those were pretty scary looking. The D-types were the heaviest
cars ever to roam the NYC subway and they look it. Big and
intimidating. Of the current crop I think the R44/R46 front ends look
the nicest. I think they should have left the 8 door indicator lights
per car though :)
--Dave
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Posted by Timothy on August 15, 1997 at 10:56:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structures For Model Railroads posted by Frank
Gatazka on August 15, 1997 at 07:45:30:
In reference to the "city viaduct" kits by MicroEngineering, I found
out
just yesterday that they were not true El structures. I own several of
those kits, and am in the process of assembling them. I ordered the
kits
from a Walthers catalog at a hobby shop near my home. I called
Walthers
yesterday to find out if there were any station houses and platforms
designed especially for the city viaduct kits, and was told that none
were
available. I told Walthers what I was using the city viaduct for, and
that's when they told me that the viaducts were not designed after
true
El structures, but railroad trestles. They said that many people have
used
the city viaduct kits as Els on their layouts, as they have a very
striking
resemblance to El structures. Do you know what railroad trestle the
city
viaduct kit was designed after, and where it's located?
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on August 15, 1997 at 11:51:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by Gary
Jacobi on August 12, 1997 at 18:46:38:
Lets look at this theft.
The Daily News said that a scrap dealer would only pay about $0.35 a
pound for the stairs or $1,300.
Now brand new they are $1,000 a step or $80,000, but the TA is buying
used steps at $350 or $28,000.
Now I don't think the persons who stole the steps did it for $1,300
but $28,000 looks good to me.
I hope the TA is NOT buying back their own used steps!!!!
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on August 15, 1997 at 11:56:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on August 15, 1997 at 09:55:22:
>>8 door indicator lights per car though :) I loved them, when they
would wink out like that. Now there are to few to get that effect.
LoL
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on August 15, 1997 at 11:58:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Fernando Perez
on August 12, 1997 at 23:47:17:
What did they call the R40 additons, some dental thing??
Braces for Subway car, something like that.
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Posted by BJ on August 15, 1997 at 12:32:33:
What do you think are the best and worst Subway/Elevated stations?
( as in falling apart or great shape, like just built or well
maintaned)
Please choose one of each.
I would say BART's Dublin/Pleasonton is the best.
The CTA has some pretty old stations. The Cermak/Douglas branch of the
Blue Line and the Ravenswood Line are in pretty bad shape. Can't
really
pick a worst station.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 15, 1997 at 12:55:34:
In Reply to: [6]El Structures For Model Railroads posted by Timothy on
August 14, 1997 at 15:56:56:
Sounds like you bought the Walthers kits of BART,
Washington DC, Metro North, etc.
One thing you can do with the Washington DC cars for
your "Any Big City USA" layout is paint them all
silver, put a blue strip down the length of the
carbody, cut out NYC subway map station names and
colored route signs, glue them in the appropriate
places, and Presto - you have a NYC-based subway car.
The blue stripe decals from the BART models work pretty
well. Call your new model the R-200 or something like
that. And you don't need fancy airbrush equipment. I
did it with a can of silver spray paint.
There is a hobby shop in Pennsauken, NJ whose name
escapes me at the moment that has in the past carried
NYC subway cars. The Red Caboose in NY also carries
them but he's very expensive. As mentioned by others,
MTS Imports and Images Replicas have or will have NYC
subway cars and EL structures. However, there are
relatively few people in the rapid transit modelling
arena and to make the prices of these pre-cast EL kits
reasonable, a large quantity would be needed. Seems
there isn't the interest to sustain this kind of order,
but Images Replicas is giving it a try. Hope they
succeed.
If you are local to NY or PA, you MUST attend the Fall
Trolley Extravaganza at the Holiday Inn in King of
Prussia, PA on Sept 5 (late evening) and Sept 6th,
1997. You'll find other modelers who share your
interest, will be able to see some of their layouts
(East Penn Traction Club and the NY Model Transit
Association are two that come to mind quickly) and can
exchange ideas for building your layout.
(Frank - are you exhibiting part of your EL structure
there this year??)
My first layout was, and still is, similar to yours in
idea. In HO scale, it doesn't have any ELs (maybe in a
few years!) but it does have my version of what
Stillwell Ave might have looked like had part of the
station been in subway and part as an open cut. It has
quite a bit of subway tunnel running and some open cut
running, and the walls to these areas are all
grafitti'ed up (this gave my family the "opportunity"
to contribute to the layout).
Good luck!
--Mark
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Posted by Ed Sachs on August 15, 1997 at 13:05:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 24 hour service started when? posted by Koi on
August 14, 1997 at 21:15:55:
Just an added note on surface transit -
Back in the days before electric streetcars, Manhattan had a large
cable
car network. In most other cities, the cable cars were shut down for
several
hours every evening so that routine maintenance could be performed on
the cables, powerhouses, etc. But, New York required 24-hour a day
service. So, the Manhattan cable car lines had two cables so that one
could be shut down for maintenance while the cars kept operating.
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Posted by Ed Sachs on August 15, 1997 at 13:16:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by aaron on August
15, 1997 at 09:26:46:
aaron wrote:
>The best lookin' subway car was the recently scrapped 2000 series
built
>by Pullman Standard for the CTA in the early 60s. These were the
first
>air-conditioned subway cars built in the country and were very
stylish in
>their original green and white paint scheme. Subsequent repaintings
to
>silver and black tarnished their image. A two-car unit rests at the
>Illinois Railway Museum in Union, IL and another unit is rumored to
be
>in storage in the Harlem Avenue shops on the Green Line. Can anyone
>verify this?
Yes, there is a pair of the 2000's in the Lake/Harlem Yard. I see them
every day on my way to/from work on the Metra UP West line. They were
repainted in pullman green with gold trim (a design supposedly like
the first
Chicago L cars) for the L's centennial in 1992, and the cars have been
renumbered 1892 and 1992. The best view of these cars is from passing
Metra trains, although they can be seen from street level on Circle
Ave.
in Forest Park.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 15, 1997 at 13:17:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on August 15, 1997 at 09:55:22:
Well, gee, to a subway buff, they're ALL nice lookin'!!
Even the ugly ones :-)
But to choose from my favourites, again in no
particular order:
NY: The R1/9 in original olive green paint scheme.
(some would say grimy black :-))
NY: R-32 before the MK rebuild
NY: R-38 after the MK rebuild
NY: R-36 world's fair cars in two tone paint scheme
NY: LIRR / Metro North Cosmopolitan series cars
(M-1,2,3,etc) (OK these aren't subway cars but I think
they're designed well)
The R42, 44, 46 look kinda naked since their blue
stripe was removed as part of the rehab. The R62/68s
were delivered "naked" (without the blue stripe).
Elsewhere:
CTA 3200s get a vote in my book
Baltimore/Miami.
Boo of the year: Norristown N-5 cars. Yeech!
--Mark
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 15, 1997 at 13:43:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on August 15, 1997 at 09:55:22:
Good Looking Cars
With the exception of those mentioned in my earlier post, I agree on
most MBTA cars.
I also like the Chicago 2000s - haven't seen the 3200s up close. BTW,
MBTA 01490-91 were built with molded fibreglass ends to test the
technique for the 2000s. These cars were the only ones ever on the Red
Line with swinging end doors.
One of the top units - not mentioned - are Philadelphias original
Bridge Cars. They were designed by an architect - nothing else like
them!
As for NYC I have a soft spot for the R-10,12,14 series. They looked
good in any scheme and had cheerful interiors. R44 and R-46 looked
great as built. Rebuilds have uglified almost every series.
Gerry
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 15, 1997 at 13:47:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Lou from
Brooklyn on August 15, 1997 at 11:58:23:
I've always heard it called "orthodontics"... which is a slightly more
sinister word for braces :)
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 15, 1997 at 13:49:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PCCs in NYC posted by Joe M on August 13, 1997 at
23:58:09:
Some of the BMT subway-el cars of the 1930s were covered by the PCC
patents and therefore qualified as PCC cars. The Green Hornet and the
Bluebird come to mind.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on August 15, 1997 at 16:06:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by Gerry O'Regan
on August 15, 1997 at 13:43:35:
For best looking I guess I'd have to vote for the R-32s in their
original condition (with blue doors!). In the mid-60's when they first
came out I'd make my grandparents take me to one of the overpasses on
the Brighton Line, and stand there until a train of R-32s came by
(usually one out of ten; the rest were R-1/9s). A number of years ago
I bought a Chevy Blazer in the silver/blue color scheme in memory of
that fleet's original look...
For worst "looking" I guess I'd vote for anything with a full-width
cab and no rail-fan front window!
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Posted by Bingo on August 15, 1997 at 17:04:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Lou from
Middletown on August 14, 1997 at 14:23:58:
Didn't they just add another set of doors to a bunch of streetcars and
modify the bogies so they would fit on the new track guage?
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Posted by John M. on August 15, 1997 at 17:14:03:
In Reply to: [5]Best and Worst Stations posted by BJ on August 15,
1997 at 12:32:33:
I can only speak for stations in the NYC transit system that I think
are the best and worst.
My least favorite station, hands down, is Times Square. Sure, it may
have been nice at one time, but its current state is atrocious. It is
filthy, ugly (notwithstanding the new entrance), stifling in the
summer, freezing in the winter (particularly the IRT platform), and
dirty water drips on unsuspecting passerbys if they step in the wrong
place. The station needs to be totally overhauled, and it would be
nice if more businesses (like the record store) occupied some of the
vacant areas.
I'd have to say that my favorite station thus far is the 231st Street
stop in the Bronx on the #1/9. It has pretty grillework (as, I think,
a lot of the elevated IRT station in the Bronx), and lots of
character, thanks in part to the surrounding neighborhood,
Kingsbridge. There is a great pizza place nearby, and the Tibbett
Diner, 5 blocks away at 231st & Tibbett Ave, is arguably the best
diner in the City.
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POSTER>Michael LoCascio
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Posted by Michael LoCascio on August 15, 1997 at 18:02:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Pops on August 13, 1997 at 09:45:31:
Dear Pop,
Yes you are right about the bad things you mentioned. However, today
thing I think are a little better. Most people shower at least once in
a while. Back in the 20's, bathtubs were in the kitchen and people had
to receive a letter from the Board of Health telling them to take one.
Conductors then were allowed to "chaw" on tobacco and even smoke a
cigar, thats is not the norm today. Trollys of "yesteryear" were not
airconditioned as they wold be today. I feel, attitudes have change
for the better. Some people would argue that "times were better" but
were they, really? Think about that...that is another story and area.
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POSTER>Michael LoCascio
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Posted by Michael LoCascio on August 15, 1997 at 18:14:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Andrew Byler on August 12, 1997 at 23:02:03:
Andy,
You make a lot of sense talking about the large sums of money it would
cost to reinsitute Trolleys. but, why assume that these projects have
to be controlled or brought about by the government. There are people
who would argue that "Private Industry" is the way to go here; I am
one of them. Once, many years ago, Public Transportation was first
formulated by "Private Industry" ( NYC IRT and BRT later BMT).
I do not agree that they would not stimulate depressed areas, look at
Memphis. By the way, Rockaway is part of the far reaches of Queens.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 15, 1997 at 18:48:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New buses posted by Wayne Johnson on August 15,
1997 at 01:00:59:
The articulates are low floor design because the disabled come through
the front door with a ramp deployed by the operator.
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POSTER>Tom Van Etten
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SUBJECT># 7 Flushing Line, last time, need book info.
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Posted by Tom Van Etten on August 15, 1997 at 21:09:40:
I`ve noticed some new names so would like to post this one last time:
I would like information pertaining to a short story in an old Pulp
Fiction collection of short stories. The
P.F. is about an inch and a half thick. The story takes place in New
York City on the #7 train from Times
Square heading to the last stop at Main Street, Flushing. The
characters realize that as they are
progressing from station to station that they are getting younger by
the minute. Doing some quick math
they determine that they will not exist at the time the train arrives
at Main Street, and that no one would
even miss them or know that they ever existed. If I remember
correctly, all ends well and all live happily
ever after when as the train pulls in to the Willets Point station and
an old disembodied pirate whose ship
sank many decades ago in Flushing Bay becomes reunited. ( I may be
creating my own fiction here, but as
they safely arrive in Flushing they realize that nobody will believe
their story.) If anyone can help with
author, title or even date when published or any feedback I would be
greatly appreciative.
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POSTER>BJ633
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Posted by BJ633 on August 15, 1997 at 21:55:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Commuter Rail Fares posted by Andrew Byler on
August 13, 1997 at 21:51:54:
Question? Why do turnstile jumpers get away with it in NYC. I have
ridden
only a few times and never seen this. Here in Chicago there are
station
agents at every station where the turnstiles are active and we dont
have
that problem. There is only one entrance to my knowledge that is
station
agent free. I was surprised the first time I rode on Sunday when the
turnstiles were active and there was a station agent on duty.
You are right about the ticket collection problems on Commuter
rail-roads.
I have ridden many times for free and saved my ticket for next time.
Also: The speed limit for express trains here is 70 MPH not 60. There
is
just one suburb where a fatal crash took place and the speed is
reduced to
50. You proabaly heard about the school bus crash in Fox River Grove.
Don't you think they should get rid of grade crossings? That way the
trains
could go as fast as they want and not have to worry about hitting
cars.
They are working to fix this problem, but it is very hard. becuase if
they
build a bridge over the railroad, then they would wipe out some
buisinesses
right next to the tracks that would be in the way of the bridge.
Please respond ASAP
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Posted by Zack on August 15, 1997 at 22:47:21:
is the TA going to build more elevated lines or have thay abandoned
that concept in favor of underground lines????
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 16, 1997 at 15:14:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Pops on August 13, 1997 at 09:45:31:
I am sorry you feel so negatively about trolleys. I guess you have
never been on the newer versions of "light rail vehicles." There are
plently of them in major cities across Europe and in North America to
name a few. I guess the trolleys you rode were similar to the subways
I use to ride as a teenager in the '70's with all the dirt and
graffiti.
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 16, 1997 at 15:21:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Dan Lawrence on August 11, 1997 at 08:29:40:
Yes, trolleys are better overall, but I guess we won't see them any
time soon in Manhatten. Although I believe they would be better suited
for the outer boroughs. We as New Yorkers deserve to breathe cleaner
air.
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 16, 1997 at 15:31:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Michael LoCascio on August 12, 1997 at 14:33:46:
Yes, diesel buses do not last long at all. Reason being they use a
diesel engine which probably does not have a long life span. Trolleys
and trolley buses both use electrical components for their propulsion
systems. They don't wear out as easily as components used in "fossil
fueled" engines.
I know that there is a report that proves this to be true but at the
moment I can't remember where I read it.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 16, 1997 at 16:00:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best and Worst Stations posted by John M. on
August 15, 1997 at 17:14:03:
I agree with you that Times Square is a pretty wretched station. In
addition to the items you mentioned, the station has another major
drawback - very poor signage. It can be quite difficult for people who
aren't familiar with the station to find their ways around.
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POSTER>Ted
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Posted by Ted on August 16, 1997 at 16:27:31:
I was recently at the Princeton Junction station and observed a
Amtrak train passing the station at a high speed. Do those trains
travel
at their top speed ( 125 MPH ) on that section of mainline track ? Can
they go that fast because of the concrete ties ? How fast will the
"American Flyer" go when it goes into revenue service in 1999 ?
thanks.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 16, 1997 at 17:31:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by Lou
from Brooklyn on August 15, 1997 at 11:51:57:
If the TA bought back it's own steps, then the job could have been an
inside one! Maybe the TA needs to investigate it's own people or
contractors.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 16, 1997 at 17:38:14:
In Reply to: [5]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Bingo on August
15, 1997 at 17:04:09:
Note: everything transit in New York and Brooklyn was and is standard
guage. The only difference is in the flanges - streetcar flanges are
smaller than railroad flanges. The el's and subways have always used
railroad flanges in their trucks. (In the USA and Canada the term for
the wheel units has always been "trucks" For example: an open (summer)
car is a double-truck open car in US/Canada, but a "bogie toastrack"
in England.
As Winston Curchhill stated "We are two peoples divided by a common
language".)
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 16, 1997 at 17:41:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Bryan Layne on
August 14, 1997 at 12:58:20:
What rubber tires? The Washington Metro is a steel wheel on steel rail
system. Rubber tires are found in North America in on the Montreal
system.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 16, 1997 at 22:27:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best and Worst Stations posted by Peter Rosa on
August 16, 1997 at 16:00:12:
I'll vote for stations in Boston, where I am most familiar. The worst
is South Station on the Red Line. "Modernized" a few years ago, it is
the most disjoint station on the system. Stairways are inconsistently
located, some reach the paid area, others the unpaid area, sight lines
are poor, lighting is dismal, and the decor ... just isn't!
Fortunately another rehab will result from the Big Dig, though it will
probably get worse!
My favorite is Boylston on the Green Line! Bright, well ventilated,
interesting track and platform layout, and even a vintage car display.
With a 90 degree curve entering/leaving, noise could be bad, but seems
to be under control w/ LRVs and Type 7s resilient wheels.
Gerry
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 16, 1997 at 22:32:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 3rd Ave "EL" in Brooklyn posted by Gerry O'Regan
on August 12, 1997 at 17:05:02:
Following up my own post to add the fact that the route was more
commonly known as the Bay Ridge Branch rather than 3rd Av. El. This
may be useful in locating photos in someone's index
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 16, 1997 at 22:40:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Dan Lawrence on
August 16, 1997 at 17:41:51:
My mistake ...what was i thinking....shoot me in the head!!
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 16, 1997 at 22:43:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Mark Greenwald
on August 16, 1997 at 11:49:09:
Hey man ...its been a while since DC...i was just thinking wrong...jee
wiz...ill try not to make such a huge mistake like that again...i just
dont want to get a mail bomb or something...
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 17, 1997 at 01:41:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Bryan Layne on
August 16, 1997 at 22:43:25:
No problem BIG GUY----Dave will attest, any shot at the DC Metro I
take just a little more personally than most-----sorry to be soooo
harsh but I'm glad I got my point across---otherwise---glad to know ya
Bryan
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 17, 1997 at 01:53:41:
In Reply to: [5]Princeton Junction posted by Ted on August 16, 1997 at
16:27:31:
As far as I know, the Amtrak trains do travel at a +100 MPH speed on
that section of track, but I don't know how long the 125 MPH speed is
sustained. I assume that the fewer stops they make, the faster they
go.
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Posted by John on August 17, 1997 at 02:03:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Best and Worst Stations posted by Gerry O'Regan on
August 16, 1997 at 22:27:37:
In the New York Subway, I'd have to say that the worst (or among the
worse) is the Coney Island station. That station is filthy, the
signage is old (it still shows the B, D, and Q train signs in the
yellow circles from 10 years ago), water is dripping all over the
place, it reeks of urine, and is overall in an atrocious state of
decay.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 17, 1997 at 02:23:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by Gerry
O'Regan on August 12, 1997 at 18:30:26:
I just have one question that seems to have been overlooked:
HOW THE HELL DO YOU STEEL AN ESCALATER??????!!
I suppose the thief just stuck it in his pocket, right? :-)
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 17, 1997 at 02:32:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Mark Greenwald
on August 17, 1997 at 01:41:40:
I'd have to say that the BART trains don't look very attractive,
likewise the Washington DC trains. In fact, any cars with a curved or
bent side, I don't think are very attractive (this includes the R-44
and R-46, R-68 and R-68A cars in New York).
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: First A-C cars was Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars
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Posted by John on August 17, 1997 at 02:40:09:
In Reply to: [5]First A-C cars was Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted
by David Pirmann on August 15, 1997 at 09:48:22:
I always though that the R-17s were good-looking cars, especially with
the circular window on the end doors. I also liked the R-11s because
they were 'unusual', and of course, the Redbirds (but to tell you the
truth, I think they looked slightly better with the dark green paint
job from the late 1980s).
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POSTER>A. Scarpinato
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SUBJECT>staten island rapid transit
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Posted by A. Scarpinato on August 17, 1997 at 02:46:15:
Has any progress been made in the rebuilding/reopening of the North
Shore
branch of the SIRT. Since the abandoned stations are still there, what
including third railing and restoring passenger service, or trolley
lite rail? Please respond with info. Then there are still South Beach
right of ways intact to Hyland Blvd. Also perfect for lite rail. Any
ideas on this
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on August 17, 1997 at 03:04:48:
What are "Gate Cars" and when were the retired and were any saved?????
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POSTER>david vartanoff
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Posted by david vartanoff on August 17, 1997 at 03:39:03:
In Reply to: [6]Joint NJT and LIRR Tickets posted by subway-buff on
August 11, 1997 at 20:37:27:
un honor of what goes around. in 66 o67 the PRR was just discontinuing
sales of and canceling the tariff filings for joint PRR/LIRR tickets
including multi ride and monthly passes from points as far south
(railroad west) as Phila .
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POSTER>Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto
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SUBJECT>Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on August 17, 1997 at 04:38:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Pops on August 13, 1997 at 09:45:31:
I don't know if a warning is in line here Dave, but it seems clear to
me that the messages of both "Viola Shwartz" and "Pops" are phonies.
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POSTER>Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on August 17, 1997 at 04:57:21:
I am still looking for LIRR track maps - if anyone can help...
I would like to do some new accurate Bahn simulations, covering at
least the NYC branches of the LIRR.
Thanks.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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SUBJECT>Newark subway
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 17, 1997 at 08:13:39:
What is the exact change fare for the Newark subway and what is the
safety factor as far as crime is concerned on the line in the daytime
during the week?
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POSTER>Dave Pirmann
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on August 17, 1997 at 11:26:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by John
on August 17, 1997 at 02:23:46:
Well contrary to what all those NO_LOOT_Rail people think about
transit access leading to crime, it's pretty obvious to me that the
theives didn't use the subway to get away with their booty :)
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POSTER>Philip Dominguez
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Posted by Philip Dominguez on August 17, 1997 at 12:46:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: El Structures For Model Railroads posted by Dave
on August 15, 1997 at 09:36:26:
Try this website for model subway cars-
http://www.tiac.nrt/users/glenk/subways.html
they sell quite a few different models of 2nd generation IRT cars
and a couple of BMT/IND cars.
-Phil
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Posted by Al on August 17, 1997 at 14:55:22:
Does anyone have any maps on the abandoned subway lines in New York?
Especially in Manhatten. Any will do. Thanks for reading this.
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on August 17, 1997 at 15:25:46:
Anyone have any .WAV files of Subway Sounds??
Such as the "ding-dong" sound when the doors close...
Thanks,
Mike
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POSTER>Timothy
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Posted by Timothy on August 17, 1997 at 15:28:04:
Can anyone tell me if the Riverside Drive viaduct at 125th St. in
Manhattan
ever carried railroad tracks, or if there is a railroad viaduct
anywhere
in New York City, that is identical in design to the Riverside Drive
viaduct? I read a book at my local library a few years ago, titled
"New
York City Proclaimed". It was an old book, dated in the 1960's. It
contained a huge photo that took up 2 pages, of the underside of the
Riverside Drive viaduct. The caption for the photo, which was on the
previous page said: "Overleaf: Under the tracks of the New York
Central".
Is it known for old railroad viaducts, and elevated structures to be
converted into street/highway viaducts? I've seen several highway
viaducts
that look very much like El structures and railroad viaducts. Another
good
example of an "El look-alike", is the 155th St. viaduct at 8th Ave.,
that
leads to the Macombs Dam Bridge.
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POSTER>Allan
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Posted by Allan on August 17, 1997 at 19:30:52:
In Reply to: [6]Gate Cars posted by Zack on August 17, 1997 at
03:04:48:
Gate Cars were used on Elevated lines in the early days of rapid
transit in NYC (actually some were used into the 1950's.
Instead of the sliding doors that were introduced on the subway cars,
these cars had gates at both ends. Passengers had to exit thru these
gates which were on short platforms on the outside of each car.
Each pair of cars had a conductor who would stand between them and
open/close the gates at a station stop. Once the gates were closed,
the conductor would pull a cord which would ring a bell at the end of
the next car,
each conductor on the train would do the same in turn until the signal
reached the motorman who would then know that it was safe to proceed.
3 such cars survive - they are in the Transit Museum in Brooklyn.
These cars were slightly modified: the roofs were lowered so that they
could fit in the subway tunnels and be moved to the Museum.
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POSTER>Allan
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Posted by Allan on August 17, 1997 at 19:38:42:
In Reply to: [6]is the TA intersted in building eleavated's anymore???
posted by Zack on August 15, 1997 at 22:47:21:
Don't expect anymore elevated lines to be built in NY for some time
(if at all).
Underground lines may cost more to build but they are more efficient
and less obtrusive on the community (except while they are being
built).
I remember when the 3rd Av El Bronx portion was demolished back in the
mid 1970's. It was like night and day. You could actually see the
street. Never mind trying to drive under the El structure.
Local communities would never permit new elevated lines to be built
(Noise etc).
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 17, 1997 at 19:46:36:
In Reply to: [6]abandoned subway maps posted by Al on August 17, 1997
at 14:55:22:
We have lots of maps of abandoned areas/lines.
See [7]Historical Maps.
-Dave
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Posted by Shirley Arther on August 17, 1997 at 22:31:16:
I have several 1919 transit tokens for sale. They are round with a
hole in the center and are imprinted with "New York City Transit".
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 00:00:47:
In Reply to: [5]El Structures For Model Railroads posted by Timothy on
August 14, 1997 at 15:56:56:
I notice you presently own mostly modern cars and wonder if you would
be content to model contemporary elevated structores like BART and DC
Metro. Simulating concrete box girders is a snap compared to iron or
steel overhead, especially latticework. I find this out now that I
have converted Bachman G scale coaches into gate cars, procured one
forney and almost finished a conversion into another. Now I must face
up to the repetitive work of building 40 or so El spans to mount on
stub columns around a room at 7' height.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 00:12:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by Dan
Lawrence on August 16, 1997 at 17:31:30:
That's part of my point. Escalator parts are not Toyota parts. They
cannot be spray painted and sold at rummage sales. If someone were
foolish enough to buy the steps in hope of reusing them, who would
sell te motor, controls, and frame. Do you think the manufacturers
would deal with someone who says "oh, by the way, I already have the
step castings"?
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on August 18, 1997 at 02:02:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: ugliest subway car poll posted by Bryan Layne on
August 16, 1997 at 22:40:24:
i hoe you dident mean it literalally. :)
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on August 18, 1997 at 08:07:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on August 15, 1997 at 09:55:22:
My opinions may not be poupular but here is my list of favorites based
on looks only.
1. Nostalgic - Low Voltage cars
2. Current A division R62's
3. Current B Division R110B's
4. M.O.W R127/R134 & R21 Revenue Collectors
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on August 18, 1997 at 08:33:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Best and Worst Stations posted by John M. on
August 15, 1997 at 17:14:03:
In my humble opinion the Best stations are as follows, not in any
particular order.
1. 149 Street and 3rd avenue on the 2/5
2. 36 Street Brooklyn
3. 9th avenue despite its crumbling appearance it is still a good
place for photography
4. 57th and 7th avenue
5. Brooklyn Bridge Staion. on the 456
6. Metropolitan Ave. on the M
7. BY far and worth mention though it is not a revenue station The
original City Hall (loop) Staion
The Worst Staions based on experience and looks are as follows
1.Chambers Street on the JMZ
2. All of the Sea Beach Stations from 59 St to Stillwell Ave.
3. Someone Mentioned it already, but Stillwell Avenue is an eyesore
for such a junction. It should be rehabiltated.
4. Delalb Avenue on the D/Q/N/R sometimes M, Sometimes B
5. 95 Street on the R
If you have an opinon against mine please feel free to let me know
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 18, 1997 at 12:48:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Buddy, Can You Spare an Escalator? posted by John
on August 17, 1997 at 02:23:46:
Ahhh ... you've never seen the famous cartoon made by Warner Brothers
called "The Portable Hole" with Professior Cornelius Q
Something-or-Other.
Thieves stole the professor's invention and decided to rob NYC Transit
of
their beloved escalator, just to satisfy themselves that this kind of
theft could be done. In the cartoon, the thief places a portable hole
on
a wall and dives through it, ending up in a maximum security prison.
We
have yet to see if these real thieves place the hole on the wall of
the
Court St station and end up in the Brooklyn correctional facility on
Boerum Place!
--Mark
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 18, 1997 at 13:54:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC
(second try!) posted by Fernando Perez on August 13, 1997 at 01:13:22:
Let face facts here. Diesel buses do not last long. Everyone knows
that. Trolleys and trolley buses have a better lifespan overall
because their components are different than the diesel buses. As far
as the GMC conspiracy is concern, I won't doubt that they had a hand
in the demise of the trolleys.
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 18, 1997 at 14:01:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC
(second try!) posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 12, 1997 at 16:33:58:
As far as electrical costs are concerned, I do believed that the mass
transit systems in NYC are supplied by the NEW YORK POWER AUTHORITY
which uses hydroelectrical power which is cheaper than getting it from
CON EDISON. If anyone knows differently, please feel free to correct
me. P.S. are you by any chance related to a Frank O'Regan from L.I.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 18, 1997 at 14:10:39:
In Reply to: [6]antique transit tokens posted by Shirley Arther on
August 17, 1997 at 22:31:16:
I would first take your tokens to someone who knows what they are. I
doubt they date from 1919, they sound more like a recent issue. New
York City Transit is a designation from the MTA era, which began in
the late 60s. Prior to that most tokens had a NYC inside the words
Good for One Fare with the Y punched out. Prior to 1940 any tokens
bore the name of the company issuing them, but since most fares were
5¢, there was little need for tokens.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 14:12:52:
In Reply to: [5]Riverside Drive Viaduct posted by Timothy on August
17, 1997 at 15:28:04:
The Riverside Drive viaduct carried the roadway above the pre-existing
mostly freight NYCRR line that can be seen crossing Spuyten Duyvil
creek on a swing bridge below the Henry Hudson Bridge. It used to
serve all the slaughterhouses and other industries on the West side
below 59th st and beyond. It is my understanding that the connection
has been severed, by the Javits Convention Center and elsewhere, so it
is possible that the tracks are gone. The railroad peeked out at
various spots south of 125th st: I particularly remember in Riverside
Park at 116th st, walking distance from Columbia University Campus.
Also, the 155th st structure IS ex elevated train related, as part of
the ninth avenue el and persisting for some time after it's demise as
a shuttle to the Polo Grounds.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 18, 1997 at 14:20:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC
(second try!) posted by Bill Ruiz on August 18, 1997 at 14:01:37:
To Bill Ruiz:
No known relatives on my father's side outside the British Isles.
Family originated in Listowell, Co. Kerry, Irl.
Admittedly hydro power is cheaper than fossil fuel. Still though,
there is a lot to be done to get a TT system up and running. Its
easier to expand an existing system as in SF.
Gerry
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Posted by Jeff on August 18, 1997 at 17:44:32:
What are the colored stickers under the subway car number plates for ?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 18:04:58:
In Reply to: [5]antique transit tokens posted by Shirley Arther on
August 17, 1997 at 22:31:16:
Sure sounds like a modern $1.50 token to me....these were minted in
1991 but not distributed until later. Could the 1991 have been
transposed in an honest error, or did someone hose you on these?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Best and Worst Stations
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 18:11:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Best and Worst Stations posted by Charles on
August 18, 1997 at 08:33:11:
I can recall the Chambers St station smelling of urine 45 years ago,
and just about everyone used the toilets back then!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Commuter Rail Fares
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 18:24:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Commuter Rail Fares posted by BJ633 on August 15,
1997 at 21:55:00:
I grew up experiencing several grade crossing eliminations on the Long
Island Railroad. They were safer, but they were expensive even then.
Today the cost would be prohibitive. In retrospect, they turned
country towns into suburban beehives overnight. It would have occurred
eventually anyhow, but what was the rush?
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 18:36:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on August 15, 1997 at 09:55:22:
Are you sure about the relative timing of the BART versus R-40 cars? I
distinctly recall seeing R-40's for the first time and saying to
myself "Half-assed BART copies". Then I realized that BART trains do
not permit moving between cars, and so NYCTA had screwed themselves
mightily with the gap between abutting slant noses.
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SUBJECT>Re: El Structures For Model Railroads (to Gary Jacobi)
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Posted by Timothy on August 18, 1997 at 21:44:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structures For Model Railroads posted by Gary
Jacobi on August 18, 1997 at 00:00:47:
You were wondering if I would be interested in contemporary elevated
structures, similar to BART and DC Metro. I am by far more interested
in
the old, classic steel/iron El structures, like in Chicago, New York,
Philadelphia, etc., despite the fact I own mostly modern cars. I've
started assembling several "city viaduct" kits, made by Micro
Engineering
Company. They are currently the closest thing to an El structure I
could
find. In several ways, the city viaduct kits do resemble some sections
of
Els in Queens, and The Bronx, even though I was told that the design
of
the city viaduct kit was based on a railroad viaduct paralleling the
Mississippi River in St. Louis, Missouri. Of course, I imagine there
are
other cities that may have railroad viaducts of similar design. The
only
problem with the kits I'm assembling, is that there are no station
houses
or station platforms available, that would fit the viaduct. I wasn't
told
if the St. Louis viaducts carried passenger, freight, or rapid transit
lines.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Those Stickers...
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Posted by Steve on August 18, 1997 at 23:16:07:
In Reply to: [6]Those Stickers... posted by Jeff on August 18, 1997 at
17:44:32:
The colored tape under the number boards mean different things
depending on the division. On the A division, the color designates the
shop to which a particular car is assigned. On the B division - the
colors and/or shape might indicate that a particular modification has
been completed on a car. There are no shop specific colors on B
division cars.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH Connector
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Posted by Andrew Huie on August 19, 1997 at 02:38:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Connector posted by Peter Rosa on August 14,
1997 at 14:32:34:
I'm not even sure the tunnel is still intact. You can still see the
entrance to the tunnel on the 7th Avenue side (think it is covered by
a metal pull-down gate), but on the Sixth Avenue side I can't even
find it. I'm pretty sure it came out on the PATH level roughly where
the A&S (or whatever they call it) entrance is, but it looks to be
completely demolished. When Korvette's and Gimbels were replaced, they
completely rearranged the Herald Square station.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 19, 1997 at 08:13:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Connector posted by Andrew Huie on August 19,
1997 at 02:38:09:
I think you can still see where it might have been... you can tell
where 33rd St. crosses the passageway from the south end to the north
end of the station. Just south of there is a boarded over section of
wall. If you look around there you can see "exit to street" signs
pointing that way but obviously no place to go. That's probably where
the end of the tunnel is.
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Posted by aaron on August 19, 1997 at 09:51:35:
There is a funny article on Page 1 today about a guy travelling around
the
entire London Underground in one day. Check it out.
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Posted by Timothy on August 19, 1997 at 10:22:33:
There are several things I've always wanted to know about SEPTA's
Market-
Frankford Line El structures. Unlike the El structures in New York and
Chicago, you cannot see down to the street between the track ties, as
you
look down from the station platform, or out the train's front window.
I
live near Philadelphia, and a friend of mine from New York City
recently
paid me a visit, and we took a ride on the Market-Frankford Line. He
immediately noticed that, and said that it was the only El he's ever
been
on where you couldn't see the street below. Can anyone tell me why the
MFL's El structure is designed like that?
Also, as some of you from Philadelphia may have noticed, the Market-
Frankford Line is undergoing a major rehabilitation. On the Frankford
portion of the El, they removed the lattice, and/or covered it over
with
concrete beams, but left the support columns as is, and just painted
them.
I feel that the concrete beams ruined the El structure's character. I
was
told that the same thing is going to be done on the West Philadelphia
portion of the El within the next year or two. Why can't an El
structure
be rebuilt and still keep its original charm? Also on the West
Philadelphia
portion of the El, almost all of the original stairway railings were
replaced with stainless steel ones during the mid and late 1980's,
which
I feel also ruined the El's original charm.
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on August 19, 1997 at 12:13:36:
In Reply to: [6]SEPTA's Market-Frankford Line El structure posted by
Timothy on August 19, 1997 at 10:22:33:
When the Market-Frankford El was built, it was decided to use the
solid ballasted deck to reduce noise. This method of construction is
far more costly than the open deck construction common to New York,
Boston and Chicago. Although quieter, the solid ballasted deck does
not allow for drainage as does the open girder construction, with the
result that the underpinning structure, which is basically the same as
an open El, corrodes. Hence the need for rebuilding. When it was
decided to rebuild the Frankford portion of the line, the main
consideration was cost coupled with structural integrity. Charm and
railfan appeal did not, and I'm sure does not figure into the
equation. It is interesting to note that solid ballasted deck
construction was considered for the elevated portions of the dual
contract subway extensions, but was rejected due to the high cost.
There were, and are portions of solid ballasted deck elevated in
Chicago, with ornamental concrete or iron structure, where the
governing municipality required an improved appearance and quiter
operation. New York City has some solid ballasted El construction,
such as the ornamental viaduct over Queens Blvd. on the Corona Line.
This structure is undergoing rebuilding at present.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 19, 1997 at 12:29:29:
This is probably a question for Steve, but I welcome an answer from
anyone who has it.
I would like to know the difference (if any) between the R-32 and
R-32A as delivered. I can usually spot small differences, but I could
never spot any with these models - I suspect there is no visual
difference. I do know that the R-32's from #3800-3949 originally had
illuminated advertisement racks, but thats only half of the R-32 cars.
For those who don't know #3350-3649 are R-32A and #3650-3949 are R-32.
If there was a mechanical ifference, can we assume that they are now
the same mechanically since the MK rebuilding. I'm also aware of the
10 that were rebuilt by GE.
Thanks,
Wayne
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Posted by John on August 19, 1997 at 12:39:17:
In Reply to: [5]Newark subway posted by Fernando Perez on August 17,
1997 at 08:13:39:
The fare is $1.00, and doller bills are now accepted.
The line seems to be pretty safe, I take it all the time and I never
hear about any incidents. During the day on the weekend it should be
perfectly safe to ride it.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 19, 1997 at 12:49:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Best Lookin' Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on August 15, 1997 at 09:55:22:
I'd say the best looking cars at NYCTA (forgive me, but I do not like
the MTA/NYCT name) are the R-44/46 models. I like the R-68/68-A's bu
the recessed storm door doesn't look as good as the R-44/46's flush
storm/cab door. Also I think that the end/red lights positioned over
the headlights do not look as good as they are positioned on the
R-44/46's (side by side with red on the outside). I think the R-44/46
interiors are also far better looking the any other models.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 19, 1997 at 13:13:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Cabin inside and outside noise level of subway
train posted by Philip Nah Nah!!! I'm 100 base T and you're NOT!!!
Nasadowski on August 07, 1997 at 12:25:38:
Not only are the air conditioners noisy, but at times, the turn the
car into a meat freezer, kind of like the R-40s when they first came
out.
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 19, 1997 at 14:03:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Riverside Drive Viaduct posted by Gary Jacobi on
August 18, 1997 at 14:12:52:
Part of the old elevated railroad can be still seen in the far western
part of the Chelsea district. Check over by W. 17 St. and 10th Ave.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 19, 1997 at 14:20:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Riverside Drive Viaduct posted by Bill Ruiz on
August 19, 1997 at 14:03:24:
The railroad tracks are in use by Amtrak between Spuyten Duivil(sp?:)
and 34th St. to allow its Empire Service to reach Penn Station.
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 19, 1997 at 14:20:52:
In Reply to: [5]Joint NJT and LIRR Tickets posted by subway-buff on
August 11, 1997 at 20:37:27:
Don't be to suprised that that might come in the near future as there
are proposals to establish a connection terminal in the Sunnyside
Yards in Queens. This terminal would be used by the existing railroad
lines that use Penn Station.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 19, 1997 at 14:24:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Those Stickers... posted by Steve on August 18,
1997 at 23:16:07:
It seems to me that the last time I was in NYC, on the Flushing Line
the R-33 double-enders had a black sticker, while the R-36 cars had a
sticker similar to the 7 line color on the map. Does this make sense?
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 19, 1997 at 14:33:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SEPTA's Market-Frankford Line El structure posted
by Frank Gatazka on August 19, 1997 at 12:13:36:
The concrete deck construction was also used for most of the later el
structures in Boston. In particular the portion of the Lechmere
Viaduct over the street, the connector from the Longfellow Bridge to
the Beacon Hill Tunnel and the flyover at Beachmont were all
constructed this way. My feeling is that the concrete deck acts as a
sounding board, amplifying and spreading the 'rumble' while absorbing
the higher pitched sounds. An open deck structure certainly keeps the
car interior quieter, while direct fixation to a concrete deck
reflects most of the sound back into the car. Boston's Orange Line has
many good examples of this type.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 19, 1997 at 14:38:15:
In Reply to: [6]R-32/32A posted by Wayne Johnson on August 19, 1997 at
12:29:29:
It seems to me that the original order was for 300 cars and the 32A
was just a follow-on order for which a new contract was cut. Up to
that time the combined order was the largest in the industry. Got any
info on this, Steve?
Gerry
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 19, 1997 at 15:46:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-32/32A posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 19,
1997 at 14:38:15:
That sounds like it would be correct, but then if the cars were
assembled/delivered in order by fleet numbers - then the R-32A's would
have come before the R-32's. I don't know - especially since I was
born a year later.
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on August 19, 1997 at 18:15:50:
i have heard he term Low Voltage cars are the Lov V's by any chance.
what lines were the run on when were they retired (i'm not from the NY
vincinty so i dont know thes things:()
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: R-32/32A
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Posted by subway-buff on August 19, 1997 at 18:16:49:
In Reply to: [6]R-32/32A posted by Wayne Johnson on August 19, 1997 at
12:29:29:
As delievered, According to NYC Subways Cars by James Greller, the
R32A cars were numbered3350-3649, and the R32 were numbered 3650-3949.
According to this book the R32A were delivered first.
An interesting trivia piece:
the GE rebuilds just covered the local/express lights and the Colored
marker lights, while the M & K cars just have the small sign. Inside
you can tell a GE rebuild by the lighted ad racks vs old stylle lights
in the M&K rebuilds.. These GE cars usually run with R38 cars.
The difference between R32 and R38 is that the r32 has the "ripples"
all the way up while the R38 cars have a smooth top and "rippled"
bottom( below the windows.)
(Steve- Hope I didn't step on your turf).
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POSTER>Lou from Brooklyn
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on August 19, 1997 at 18:18:02:
It is my understanding that end doors on cars that are 75 Feet are
locked (R44 and up IND/BMT) becuase of the huge gap when the cars go
though an interlocking (switch). In case of ememergancy, the Train
Operator or Conductor (or Emergancy Workers) can through a switch that
is in any cab to unlock the end doors (and if someone is outside the
car there is a manual switch that can be thrown to unlock THAT door
only).
My question that in case of an OPTO (One Person Train Operation)
accident and the Train Operator is incapacitated and can not through
this switch, would this put the customers in danager in case of fire
or such (on the car, I know safest place to be is in the car not the
tracks)??
Has this been addressed at any point in considering OPTO?
Thanks for listening
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POSTER>Henry R. Groves
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SUBJECT>Exploring and phtographing the NYCTA
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Posted by Henry R. Groves on August 19, 1997 at 18:23:10:
I am visiting New York in early October. I am a subway fan and would
like to go on exploring trips in the New York subway. What are the
dangers? Any restrictions on picture taking? I did run in trouble in
the seventies when I attempted to take some pictures. Any information
on the subject will be greatly appreciated.
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POSTER>Lou from Brookly (ex Staten Islander)
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SUBJECT>Re: staten island rapid transit
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Posted by Lou from Brookly (ex Staten Islander) on August 19, 1997
In Reply to: [6]staten island rapid transit posted by A. Scarpinato on
August 17, 1997 at 02:46:15:
The RR that owns the trackage filed for abandament, this was a problem
for SIRT (MTA Staten Island Railway) because they use a WYE at St.
George that extends out onto this trackage ROW. This is the only place
cars could be turned the way SIRT is now.
I don't know what happened to this or the rest of the North Shore,
there was talk about a guided busway out in Port Richmond but once the
Staten Island Advance pounced all over, never heard about it.
I'll ask my parents if they saw anything in the Advance lately (the
S.I. paper).
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on August 19, 1997 at 18:31:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Best and Worst Stations posted by Charles on
August 18, 1997 at 08:33:11:
Any station on the Frankiln Shuttle!!
Whenever will they overhall that line, or just keep closing stations
(Dean St).
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: Low Volatage Cars
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Posted by subway-buff on August 19, 1997 at 18:44:03:
In Reply to: [6]Low Volatage Cars posted by Zack on August 19, 1997 at
18:15:50:
The first Cars were High Voltage- meaning that 600V ran through the
Motorman's control cab. In case of accident- one "fried" motorman.
The Lo- V cars were introduced on the IRT. They used a transformer to
reduce the voltage in the cab to just 24 volts. They were called Low
Voltage or Lo-V for short, The originals were called High-V.
All Cars today use this system (including all subway cars
nationwide,be it NYC, Philladelphia, Atlanta, etc.)
There are no High-V cars in today's system. Another piece of Trivia:
The IRT Lo-V cars were the first with a center door, These doors were
cut into the original car which required adding a steel underbracer
across the car. All Subway cars today are of this "gondola" type-
meaning you could cut off the roof and the car would still hold up
since the undercarraige supported the car. (This info courtesy of
Transit Musuem Guided tour.)
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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SUBJECT>More Historical Questions
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on August 19, 1997 at 18:48:29:
A silly question or two: In almost every book about the system, the
reason for the TA buying those ex-SIRT cars back in 54 or so was that
the BMT was very short on equipment at the time. This may be a silly
question, but exactly why were they short on equipment??? Hadn't the
BMT fully equipped their system??JUst curious.....
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POSTER>Allan
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Posted by Allan on August 19, 1997 at 20:15:28:
In Reply to: [6]Exploring and phtographing the NYCTA posted by Henry
R. Groves on August 19, 1997 at 18:23:10:
The question regarding photos on the system will
probably never end. So to repeat (and expand upon a
bit) what Brian Munroe posted here a short while back
from a letter he got from the TA, I have obtained a
pamphlet (at the 370 Jay St Information office in the
lobby) which gives quite a bit of information.
Please note that "the Authority" as indicated below can
mean either the NYCTA or MaBstoa or both.
I intend to carry one of these pamphlets with me
anytime I go to take pictures in the system.
These are excerpts from the pamphlet:
Rules of Conduct
Rules governing the conduct and safety of the public in
the use of the facilities of the New York City Transit
Authority and Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit
Operating Authority.
NYCRR Chapter XXI
Metropolitan Transportation Authority
Subchapter C -
Conduct and Safety of the Public
Part 1050
Section 1050.2
Definitions
(b) "Facilities" includes all property and equipment,
including without limitation, rights of way and related
trackage, rails, signal, power, fuel, communication and
ventilation systems, power plants, stations, signage,
storage yards, depots, repair and maintenance shops,
yards, offices and other real estate or personalty used
or held for or incidental to the operation,
rehabilitation or improvement of any rapid transit
railroad or omnibus line of the Authority.
(e) "Conveyance" includes any subway or rapid transit
car or train, locomotive, omnibus or other vehicle
previously used or held for use by the Authority as a
means of transportation of passengers.
Section 1050.9
Restricted areas and activities
(a) No person, except as specifically authorized by
the Authority, shall enter or attempt to enter into any
area not open to the public, including but not limited
to train operator's cabs, conductor's cabs, bus
operator's seat location, token booths, closed-off
areas, mechanical or equipment rooms, concession
stands, storage areas, interior rooms, tracks,
roadbeds, tunnels, plants, shops, barns, train yards,
garages, depots or any area marked with a sign
restricting access or indicating a dangerous
environment.
(c) Photography, filming or video recording in any
facility or conveyance is permitted except that
ancillary equipment such as lights, reflectors or
tripods may not be used. Members of the press holding
valid identification issued by the New York City Police
Department are hereby authorized to use necessary
ancillary equipment. All photographic activity must be
conducted in accordance with these Rules.
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POSTER>Not a vandal
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Posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997 at 20:16:25:
Okay, you can guess by my name that I am a graffiti writer, and most
of you hate graffiti writers (I assume). But my question is, Are there
any old scrap trains out there somewhere who survived "the buff" and
the white-out back in the 80's?? Did the MTA really destroy all of the
artwork that made the New york city subway famous for its asthetics
(as well as its operations). I am simply interested because I feel
that although it may have been a plaugue to transit, It should have
been preserved on an actual train -at least one! Rather than only in
photgraphs. Maybe the transit museum should include a graffiti
wholecar exhibit! (When hell freezes over...) HaHa!
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POSTER>Matt
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SUBJECT>Rapid Transit/Commuter Models
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Posted by Matt on August 19, 1997 at 20:21:41:
I'm looking for people interested in O SCALE models of New York Subway
cars, NJT Arrows, LIRR&Metro-North MUs, PATH cars (I'm already working
on PA-4s), and some others. If you're interested in HO scale, let me
know too. Please send an e-mail to: MTA Monte@aol.com
Thanks for your interest.
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Posted by Bobw on August 19, 1997 at 20:34:38:
In Reply to: [6]SEPTA's Market-Frankford Line El structure posted by
Timothy on August 19, 1997 at 10:22:33:
The answers on the concrete deck, the concrete beams, etc have already
been given. Here is more info.
The Market St el was opened in 1907, the Frankford el in '22. There
are subtle differences in construction. The Frankford el was a
municipal project and was alleged to have substandard steel, etc,
while the Market el was privately built and today is still in fair
condition. While Frankford's support beams and deck began to show wear
in the mid-70's (and some of you may recall the slow orders on the
line at the time - at one point, the whole el was a slow zone), the
columns didn't show the same problems. It was not determined why until
an opportunity came along in '77.
A portion of the el was relocated into the median of the new I-95
(from the portal at Front & Arch to just south of Girard station),
with a new station at Spring Garden replacing the former stop at
Fairmount. Engineers had a little over a mile of el structure to play
with and learn why the problems occurred once the line was relocated.
The abandoned structure was loaded with six times the design load
before failure was noted and the columns were found to be more than
adequate. Thus, when the rehab was planned, the deck and its support
beams were replaced with precast concrete panels (and direct fixation
rail), while the original columns were cleaned and repainted. Some
column work was needed where stations were being rehabbed, but for the
most part, the original 1922 columns are still there.
Market is a different story. The columns were at first thought to be
OK and were slated to be saved in much the same way as on the
Frankford end, with the deck and supports to be replaced. The street
below is divided into an odd lane configuration because of the column
placement (not a problem in '07 when few cars were around). The wisdom
of relying on 90+ year old steel to support a structure designed to
last as least as long as the current one was also questioned heavily.
After some rethought, the decision was made to evaluate a completely
new column system (with single column "bents" in the center of Market
St) which would allow a better lane configuration below and more
dependable structural support above. When costs were compared, the
single-column option was only slightly more costly than the rehab
(ease of construction was perhaps the major factor, along with the
unknowns associated with trying to restore old steel to a new
condition). Thus, the new el, slated to begin work in '99, will be
completely new.
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Posted by Zack on August 19, 1997 at 20:47:07:
In Reply to: [6]Ghost trains posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997
at 20:16:25:
i think it would be kinda neat to show somphting of that nature as it
did repersent a era in New York City Transit. i myself who despises
vandelism would like to see what it was like with the grafetti in
kinda like a before/after repersantion of what it was like.
P.S what happens to trains nowdays that have graffetti on them if
there stored in a yard and just "sitting" there and roting away do
they get cleaned or are they scrapped just left AS-IS????
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Posted by Jeff on August 19, 1997 at 20:56:14:
Did anyone notice the ugly paintjob that the NYCTA has put on the
newly painted buses. The windows, the top half of the doors and the
part of the back windows that get the depot sticker were all painted
white. If anyone knows why the MTA did this, if it was a mistake and
if it will be fixed please respond.
P.S. if anyone has connections tell them to use more black paint!!
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Posted by Andrew Byler on August 19, 1997 at 20:58:39:
In Reply to: [6]Princeton Junction posted by Ted on August 16, 1997 at
16:27:31:
The Amtrak trains passing Princeton Jct. are going 125 mph if they are
Metroliners, and 110 mph if they are NE Direct. The American Flyer
will go at 150 mph through this area. This will be accomplished by two
things - strengthening the switches and putting in constant tension
catenary (a test section can be seen south of this area).
There is also a move afoot with Amtrak to increase the speed of the
current Metroliners to 135 mph. They are currently working with the
FRA on this.
Speed of track is determined by the following factors:
1) Maximum allowable deflection is 0.25 in"
2) Maximum allowable rail stresses are 25,000 psi in bending
3) Maximum allowable ballast pressure on the subgrade is 20 psi
The above are determined from the elastic curve of a beam on a Winkler
Foundation, an analytical model for a beam resting on an infinite
spring base. This is a close approximation of the railroad track,
which actually rests on closely spaced finite springs (each tie and
the ballast act as a spring, and have a stiffness - for wood ties and
ballast it is around 3,00 psi in summer and 9,000 in winter, for
concrete ties it is 6,000 in summer and 18,000 in winter). The
equation is a differential equation:
EIw(x)"" + kw(x) = 0
Where: E is Young's Modulus (30,000,000 psi for rail steel)
I is the moment of Inertia of the rail section
k is the track modulus (the springiness of the tie and ballast)
and w(x) is the deflection
This is solved by perscribing boundary conditions - two under the
wheel load in the "middle" of the beam which state that the curvature
is zero and the shear equals the wheel load, and the regularity
condition that deflection and curvature approach zero as x approaches
infinity. Together, these give the solution which is a complex
trignometirc and exponential function (you can find it in Prof. Hay's
book "Railway Engineering" or in the American Railway Engineering
Association Specifications, or in any of the excellent papers by Dr.
Arnold Kerr published in a number of journals of the past 30 years).
The speed works into this when considering the force. The AREA
perscribes a speed factor of a = 1 + .33 * D / 33, where D is the
wheel diameter. So as you can see, as the speed increases, the force
exerted on the rail-tie structure also increases.
The other factors affecting the speed as follows:
1) As the value of k increases, deflection decreases and pressure
increases (necessitating more and harder ballasts).
2) As the value of I increases, deflection decreases and pressure
decreases, but only very slightly.
Thus, the major necessity for very high speed track is a stiff base -
if conventional construction is used, one using concrete ties, or else
using slab track construction, as on the Shinkansen and the new Koeln
- Frankfurt am Main neubaustrecke for the ICE in Germany.
Andy
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Posted by Jeff on August 19, 1997 at 21:01:25:
In Reply to: [6]Ghost trains posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997
at 20:16:25:
Here's an idea. They should get a train that was vandalized then paint
over half the train with the regular paint scheme to show the
difference and put it in the transit museum
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Posted by Adam on August 19, 1997 at 21:15:27:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Sounds posted by Michael Berson on August 17,
1997 at 15:25:46:
I have a number of subway sounds, especially the "ding-dong" sound, on
audio tape, but I do not know how to put these on my computer. If you
could tell me how to I could make them into .WAV files for you.
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Posted by Andrew Byler on August 19, 1997 at 21:33:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Commuter Rail Fares posted by BJ633 on August 15,
1997 at 21:55:00:
BJ633 writes:
>Also: The speed limit for express trains here is 70 MPH not 60. There
is
>just one suburb where a fatal crash took place and the speed is
reduced to
>50. You proabaly heard about the school bus crash in Fox River Grove.
Actually, if you check my post, I was referring to distance into the
suburbs. Speed can climb much higher than this. SEPTA, New Jersey
Transit, and MARC all reach above 90 mph on the NEC - with the top
title going to MARC, which claims a 105 mph top speed (SEPTA and NJT
Silverliners and Arrows are limited to 95 mph by Amtrak).
Grade crossing elimination serves a useful purpose only if it is
economical. This won't happen until service becomes very frequent and
ties up traffic a lot. There is no excuse for people dying at grade
crossings, as all such accidents are preventable. If people insist
upon doing unsafe actions like driving around gates, not stopping at
unmarked crossings, running through ones with bells and lights going,
they are simply asking for trouble. Stop, look, listen, as the old
safety saying goes. Or as the famous old railroad rule says "Expect a
train to move on any track at any time in any direction and at any
speed." My own personal feeling is that railroad crossings are natural
selection at work - survival of the fittest - or in this case the
smartest - call it a little chlorine in the gene pool. As to costs
when improvements are made: the trains were there first, and it is
generally up to the municipality to pay for such improvements.
Andy
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Posted by Andrew Byler on August 19, 1997 at 22:02:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC posted
by Michael LoCascio on August 15, 1997 at 18:14:02:
Mike,
I'm in complete agreement with you about private industry, and am a
big fan of Paul Weyrich's "New Electric Railway Journal" in that
regard. However, there are a few problems with this. Cost is not the
major issue as regards private construction and operation. The major
construction concern is government approval through permits and
utility movements. The overall major concern is profitability, which
is impossibl as long as cars do not pay for the streets. While many
people are under a delusion that the federal and state gas taxes pay
for all roads, we all know this is not true. Roads are subsidized
enormously each year at the local level, where most spending goes on.
Certainly the interstates and US highways are paid for through the gas
tax, but not much else is. As very few of us live on I 95 or US 1, I
think we all know the vital role of local streets. Further activites
like patrols by the state police and snow plowing are not paid for
from the trust funds. For this to happen, I think the gas tax would
have to jump to over $3 or $4 per gallon (European price levels). And
were this to happen, and were railways again granted easy eminent
domain powers, I think a network of electric railways would blossom
again, just as the interurbans and trolleys did before the 20's and
30's when highway subsudies began in earnest (private rural toll roads
died out around this time).
Obviusly, this is not going to be the case for a long time, as this
nation is addicted to its cars. Until then, we transit advocates must
put up with competing at the public trough, and our best argument is
that our projects would serve many people. If you're looking for good
improvements to make in New York, I'd suggest returning to the new
routes plan, extending electrification on the Long Island and Metro
North, and building more tunnels under the East and Hudson rivers to
hit Penn Station and Grand Central.
As to the Rockaways - I'd suggest that the problem is the people, not
the area. This could be a first class shore area, but it is not. The
far west end of the Rockaways, beyond the reach of the Subway, is
actually quite nice. The rest could be like this if New York did not
have such horrendous building codes and legislation, and high property
tax rates. Considering the clamor for beach homes on Long Island and
New Jersey, there really is no excuse for the Rockaways to be like
they are. Hell, if someone would be willing to get some construction
waivers and get the property taxes discounted, I am sure a few private
consortiums would clamor to sell beach homes to those who want them.
Andy
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 19, 1997 at 22:48:01:
In Reply to: [6]Exploring and phtographing the NYCTA posted by Henry
R. Groves on August 19, 1997 at 18:23:10:
As another poster mentioned, photo taking is legal as long as you
don't use a tripod. You might want to print out the legalese and take
it with you in case you are hassled, although after a few years of
subway "field trips" by myself and with others the only place I was
hassled was Jamaica LIRR station (not a subway station). Use common
sense and don't get in anyone's way.
Also in the archives you'll find people's lists of good places to go
and take pictures. I've been working on these into a web page but
haven't finished it yet, so here are my top sites (in no particular
order)
1. Queensboro Plaza (N/7) - N ride from tunnel up to Qb'P - ride rear
car for good view of Qboro Bridge
2. Broadway/East New York (J/M/Z/L level. A/C/E is downstairs.) -
Atlantic Avenue (L)
3. Marcy Avenue (J/M/Z) and Myrtle Avenue (J/M/Z)
4. Anywhere on the Brighton Line (Cortelyou Road is nice)(D maybe Q)
5. Stillwell Avenue (B/D/F/N) - West 8th Street overpass (D/F)
6. Whitlock/Elder Avenue (6)
7. East 180th Street (2/5) and Dyre Avenue line- Gun Hill Road (5)
8. 125th St./Dyckman St./215th St./225th St. (1)
9. Corona Yard ped. bridge (at Willets Point Shea Stadium) (7)
10. Rockaway line (ride it for the scenery - recently been unsafe
off-hours) (A/S)
11. 9th Avenue/36-38th St. Yard area (B/M)
12. Smith/9Th Street (F/G)
13. City Hall Loop (6)
14. Astoria Blvd/Ditmars Blvd (N) - watch Amtrak trains on the Hell
Gate Bridge
15. 97th Street overpass over Metro-North main line (97th St. & Park)
16. Williamsburg & Manhattan Bridge runs... (J/M/Z, and B/D/Q
respectively)
All of these are safe during most reasonable times of the day.
Trainspotting is best during rush hours because of the sheer volume of
trains (check out Elder Avenue in the Bronx around 9:30 am) and you
won't have to wait too long for the next train if you want to get off
and shoot some pictures.
If you want to write me privately maybe we can set up a field trip.
--Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 19, 1997 at 22:50:17:
In Reply to: [6]Ghost trains posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997
at 20:16:25:
Graffiti on trains that are still in service is cleaned off and the
trains returned to service.
You can see some graffitied cars at the Bush Terminal scrapyard in
Brooklyn (see [7]Scrapyards) and at Concourse Yard (if you can get in
there) (see [8]Concourse Yard)
-Dave
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Posted by Nick on August 20, 1997 at 00:25:52:
A few months ago there was some talk about creating a subway
screensaver. I was wondering, did anyone persue/look in to the idea?
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Posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 01:46:05:
In Reply to: [6]Black Paint on Buses posted by Jeff on August 19, 1997
at 20:56:14:
what type of buses are getting this scheme and are there any
pictures????
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 20, 1997 at 01:48:29:
In Reply to: [6]Black Paint on Buses posted by Jeff on August 19, 1997
at 20:56:14:
While I dont have the connections to get it changed, the new paint
scheme is to make the buses more visible to avoid accidents. It was
chosen because since the 8400's as you may know the manufacturer's
added the extra white at the air conditioner panel, so to make the
buses more alike and "newer" plus for safety reasons this new scheme
has been chosen. I agree with you and think it really looks bad.
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SUBJECT>Re: Ghost trains (good idea Jeff)
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Posted by Not a vandal on August 20, 1997 at 02:30:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Ghost trains posted by Jeff on August 19, 1997 at
21:01:25:
Or better yet, Jeff, they could get a 3 section display: 1/3 0f the
car could be vandalized, 1/3 cold be "buffed" (showing the inadequate
removal process on the older flat sided cars), and 1/3 could be shiny
graffiti-resistant white! Now there is an idea! Then again, that would
be one ugly lookin train!
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Posted by Not a vandal on August 20, 1997 at 02:36:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Ghost trains posted by Zack on August 19, 1997 at
20:47:07:
Not to be boastful, or sound as if I encourage vandalism, but trains
still do get painted every now and then. However, these are so-called
"Rush-jobs"
because they are painted quickly so as not to land the writers in
jail. They are nothing compared to the masterpieces of the early to
mid-eighties. You can see them at the art-crimes site if you are
interested. And, as david mentioned, they are quickly cleaned and
returned to service.
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Posted by Not a vandal on August 20, 1997 at 02:46:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Sounds posted by Adam on August 19, 1997 at
21:15:27:
Try using sound recorder if you have a microphone and Windows 95. if
you are using a mac, or do not have the sound recorder app. on your
system, go to www.tucows.com, they have lots of shareware and freeware
applications including sound capture and palyback utilities.
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Posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 03:40:23:
when where the HI-V's retired and how many were there and are any
saved
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SUBJECT>Re: Transit Museum Cars & City Hall Station
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Posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 04:01:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Transit Museum Cars & City Hall Station posted by
William A. Padron on August 16, 1997 at 14:55:12:
is city hall going to be an actual station once more or is it going to
remain a tourest attraction
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Rapid Transit/Commuter Models
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 20, 1997 at 07:41:21:
In Reply to: [5]Rapid Transit/Commuter Models posted by Matt on August
19, 1997 at 20:21:41:
Yes! Keep us posted.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on August 20, 1997 at 07:50:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Low Volatage Cars posted by subway-buff on August
19, 1997 at 18:44:03:
Your comments about the "gondola" construction of present subway cars
may not be entirely correct. When the first steel IRT cars were built,
they were designed by William Gibbs (of the PRR) and featured the
gondola construction technique. They were designed as typical railroad
coaches of the day, with end vestibules. The side doors were cut in
later, and as you stated, this necessitated the use of the girder
stiffeners. The "deck roof Hi V's" followed similar construction, but
did not require the girder since they were built with integral U
shaped stiffeners. All subsequent orders of first generation IRT cars,
standard body Hi V's, "Flivvers", Lo-V's, etc. were delivered with the
center door installed. When the BMT (then BRT) designed the A-B
"Standards", Louis Stillwell used a truss girder type construction
that replaced the gondola design. This was much lighter, and allowed
for the multiple door openings directly into the car sides. The D
types and the IND R1-9's used similar construction techniques.
Starting with the R-10's, the LAHT (low alloy, high tensile steel)
cars used a welded body instead of the rivetted style, but the pressed
truss frames remained. I don't know how the stainless cars from the
R32 and R38 and up are built, but I doubt that they employ the gondola
construction, as this is very heavy and is archaic railroad practice.
My guess is that they use a similar construction technique pioneered
by Stillwell. Maybe someone out there knows the answer.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 20, 1997 at 08:09:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Transit Museum Cars & City Hall Station posted by
Zack on August 20, 1997 at 04:01:03:
It was intended to be used as part of the Transit Museum, not a
station. They are(were) restoring the entrances from the street which
were filled in and paved over long ago. There was some talk about them
building a plexiglass wall along the platform edge for safety and
noise reduction but I don't know if this has been committed to. Either
way with the shakeup at the Transit Museum nothing is going on at City
Hall right now. I've heard the project is on hold.
In other Transit Museum news, there is a job posting up right now for
a Senior Curator (see the NYCT web site for details). I've also gotten
word that there are two book projects in the works and the gift shop
is being outsourced. Hopefully the company who will be running it is
transit-aware and will get some serious items in there and lose some
of the subway t-shirts and toys. (If they're reading this, consider
picking up the slack in the New York City books market - both transit
history and general history - that New York Bound Books left behind
them when they closed.)
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on August 20, 1997 at 09:01:00:
In Reply to: [6]HI-V posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 03:40:23:
The Hi-V's were used on the West side locals and Broadway-7th Ave.
Express lines until 1959. A few were used in work service until 1960.
According to "They Moved the Millions " by Ed Davis, Sr., none were
preserved in museums.
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Posted by Ray on August 20, 1997 at 09:04:25:
In Reply to: [5]Ghost trains posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997
at 20:16:25:
You are not a 'graffiti writer', you are a petty criminal. Don't give
taxpayers your 'art' nonsense. You and other cretins like you see
nothing wrong with vadalizing public and private property. I am sure
that this kind of behavior makes you feel proud, because nothing else
in your dead-end life does. What makes it even sadder is that you
write like you might be a young adult that enjoys stooping down to the
level of a belligerant street criminal. You are proving nothing and
your 'tags' tell everyone that you desire attention that normal
activities can't give you because you enjoy being a misfit and a low
self-esteem loser.
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POSTER>Dan
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Posted by Dan on August 20, 1997 at 09:15:38:
In Reply to: [6]staten island rapid transit posted by A. Scarpinato on
August 17, 1997 at 02:46:15:
Work has started on re-building the north shore line for limited
frieght use. Passenger service is a long-term dream. The South Beach
branch right of way was broken up by the construction of the Verrazano
toll plazas, and lately by housing construction.
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Posted by Bingo on August 20, 1997 at 09:45:34:
In Reply to: [5]Ghost trains posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997
at 20:16:25:
My God. Only in New York. ONLY in New York.
I find nothing "esthetic" about graffiti. Your "medium" was public
property and you VANDALISED it. The way it looked is irrelevant. You
defaced public transit property. Don't try to hide behind this cheap
"expressive freedom" facade. It will get you nowhere. It was people
like you who gave the New York transit a bad name in the 70's when you
were busy "modifying" the R-32's.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 20, 1997 at 10:17:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Black Paint on Buses posted by Zack on August 20,
1997 at 01:46:05:
All rebuilts and overhauls are getting them as go to the overhaul base
shops.207 St. and East New York are some places you can go to check it
out.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 20, 1997 at 10:28:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Riverside Drive Viaduct posted by Gerry O'Regan on
August 19, 1997 at 14:20:02:
When I work the M79, we take our recovery time at 79St. under the
Henry Hudson Parkway, There are some ventililation gratings there, you
can see trains passing through there every so often.
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POSTER>Fernando Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC (second try!)
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 20, 1997 at 10:38:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC
(second try!) posted by Bill Ruiz on August 18, 1997 at 13:54:16:
Thier is a documentary that was showed on public TV about the demise
of the trolley in the United States through a conspiracy involving the
purchase of private trolley properties and running them into the
ground so that buses would come in. I forgot the name of the show but
it aired as a POV special. Its what started my interest in trolleys
actually.
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on August 20, 1997 at 11:26:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Black Paint on Buses posted by Fernando Perez on
August 20, 1997 at 10:17:58:
this paint scheme is being done to save money. they only have to wrap
the buses once in the paint shop.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 20, 1997 at 12:20:38:
In Reply to: [5]Black Paint on Buses posted by Jeff on August 19, 1997
at 20:56:14:
Jeff,
I agree with you. This new paint scheme looks horrible to me. It's OK
on newly delivered buses such as the 8750-9349 group, but many of the
older RTS's have been repainted and they are painting the entire door
frame white and also the outline of the opening portion of the drivers
window is painted white on some buses also. So it looks like every
thing that was black is now white. Up until about two years ago they
used to paint the windows frames black also, but thank heaven they
stopped that or else we may be suffering through white window frames
also. I think the new MTA logo is OK, but I think they missed when
they rename the agency and applied this new paint scheme to the buses.
It does seem to go well on the Orions and New Flyers.
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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SUBJECT>BUS VIDEOS WANTED
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Posted by steve lowenthal on August 20, 1997 at 12:39:25:
LOOKING FOR BUS VIDEOS ,,,CAN ANYONE GUIDE ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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Posted by steve lowenthal on August 20, 1997 at 12:40:07:
LOOKING FOR BUS VIDEOS ,,,CAN ANYONE GUIDE ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 20, 1997 at 13:42:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Ghost trains(what absolute gall you have) posted
by Bingo on August 20, 1997 at 09:45:34:
I wish it was "Only in NY", but the sad fact is that there is a
growing undeserved "respect" for graffiti on the west coast too. Last
weeks news included way too much coverage on the officially sanctioned
re-graffitiing of a not too long ago cleaned up horror called the
graffiti pit in Venice, Ca. Venice is a wierdo hangout, much as the
villiage used to be, but as I said, this seems to be a trend.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 20, 1997 at 13:58:25:
In Reply to: [5]OPTO and End Doors Being Locked?? posted by Lou from
Brooklyn on August 19, 1997 at 18:18:02:
In Baltimore the only locked doors are the end-of train doors (for
obvious reasons), car end doors are not locked, but every door has a
"Do Not Pass" sign on it. Of course, if you know, you can walk through
the train. A departure from past practice is that the end doors are
not sliding type, so every door needs to be opened and closed. The
cars, incendentally, are 75 feet long (and trains do go through curves
and crossovers) so one must be careful when passing through. Needless
to say, the MTA prefers that this info not pass to the riders.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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SUBJECT>Re: Low Voltage Cars (Spelling Corrected)
DATE>Sep 12 18:13:40 1997
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 20, 1997 at 14:02:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Low Volatage Cars posted by subway-buff on August
19, 1997 at 18:44:03:
Just a comment: The 24 volt power for the control circuits was
provided not by a transformer (it won't work with DC) but by a
motor-generator set or a battery (usually kept charged by a circuit
from the air compressor).
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Narrow-gauge LIRR tracks?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 20, 1997 at 14:11:47:
While riding the LIRR from Long Island City to Jamaica, I saw what
appear to be the remnants of some narrow-gauge tracks. They are in and
around an abandoned factory complex, now greatly dilapidated, near the
Kosziusko (sp?) Bridge. Were these an LIRR operation, or some sort of
private industrial line?
BTW - The line to LIC is definitely an interesting ride!
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: More Historical Questions
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 20, 1997 at 14:33:39:
In Reply to: [5]More Historical Questions posted by Lou from
Middletown on August 19, 1997 at 18:48:29:
Thought the SIRT equip was bought as the under-the-Narrows connection
was being contemplated.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Transit Museum News & City Hall Station
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 20, 1997 at 14:41:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Transit Museum News & City Hall Station posted by
David Pirmann on August 20, 1997 at 08:09:00:
Nice call, David. I was always dismayed when Marvin Sommerfield and
Aubrey Surgeon, who ran the transit museum when it first opened,
brought in all these plastic train whistles, etc. Stick to roll signs
(did you ever see the storage cage at the west end of the museum mezz)
or other serious transit material. Price it right and it will travel.
And, if you have any pull, O Wise One, get them to track down some bus
stuff, such as destination signs, etc.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: El Structures For Model Railroads (to Gary Jacobi)
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 20, 1997 at 15:14:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: El Structures For Model Railroads (to Gary Jacobi)
posted by Timothy on August 18, 1997 at 21:44:42:
I certainly understand your preference; the old lines had CHARACTER.
It is possible that in HO you might be able to scratch build one span
and one cross-bent and make molds from these. Then you could
"mass-produce" resin castings. The New York elevateds and the Kings
County Elevated in Brooklyn had latticework iron stringers which were
quite artistic. The "other" brooklyn elevateds used steel plate girder
stringers which could be more easily modelled using inexpensive deck
girder bridges available commercially. Central Valley bridge part kits
have wonderfully detailed latticework box members which would make
good columns. There have been a number of Model Railroader articles on
elevated structures over the years, but none of them ever impressed
me, who grew up watching the old iron el out my window. As you fear,
they all looked like Railroad viaducts, which the El's really did NOT
look like. They were much more spindly and lightweight in appearance.
The stations have been accurately described in several books as being
typical Victorian depots erected in midair. Having said this, I am
unaware of any kit of a "typical Victorian station" that I would
consider using. The station house itself was just a boxy thing for
fare collection and minimal weather protection. The main decorative
impact came from the varied stairways and platforms attached thereto.
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POSTER>Graffiti IS WRONG
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Posted by Graffiti IS WRONG on August 20, 1997 at 17:04:07:
In Reply to: [5]Ghost trains posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997
at 20:16:25:
I am sorry Sir/Madam this is NOT ART.
I bet you endorse all the "taging" of the windows of every type of
transit in this great city.
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on August 20, 1997 at 19:17:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Transit Museum News & City Hall Station posted by
David Pirmann on August 20, 1997 at 08:09:00:
Does anyone know why there is a age requirement(at least 18) to
volunteer at the Transit Museum?
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POSTER>Zack
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SUBJECT>Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC (second try!)
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Posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 19:55:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rebirth of trolleys and trolleybuses in NYC
(second try!) posted by Fernando Perez on August 20, 1997 at 10:38:37:
It was called "road to ruin" i have 2 copies on it i cant find my good
copy :*(
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 20:07:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Transit Museum News & City Hall Station posted by
Charles Fiori on August 20, 1997 at 14:41:59:
if they had bolth that would rock-- some of the cheap syuff and some
books transit artafacts sutch as sings(bulth car,and station) old maps
manuals etc that the real railfans would byu that normally get thrown
out i think it would be great
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POSTER>Zack
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SUBJECT>does sirt connect to the TA
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Posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 20:10:34:
is there anyway like a tunnel or sutch that SIRT can connect to the
NYCTA???? and was there ever an idea or a closed connection???
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POSTER>Allan
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Posted by Allan on August 20, 1997 at 20:47:55:
In Reply to: [6]does sirt connect to the TA posted by Zack on August
20, 1997 at 20:10:34:
There is no physical connection.
Yes, at one time there was an intention to connect SI to Brooklyn by
rail.
Tunnel headings were started but never finished. The line was to
connect in Brooklyn at the 59th St station (if you look closely you
will see the provision that was made.
But it never happened. Reason? There are many but one of the main
reasons was Robert Moses. He preferred private , personal
transportation (cars) over public transportation
and did everything he could to divert money from subway projects to
road building projects (the Verrazano Bridge is one of them).
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POSTER>BJ633@aol.com
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SUBJECT>Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!!
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Posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 20, 1997 at 22:46:55:
The CTA is considering extending the Blue Line from Ohare Airport to
Woodfield mall. It would travel down the median of I-355 from Ohare to
the
Mall. The Story will be published in the Thursday August 21st Chicago
Tribune. I don't know if it got approved yet, on the news they just
mention the headlines in tommorrows tribune briefly and tell you to
read
the paper.
Isn't it cool that even thought the CTA is in debt they still are able
to
accomodate ridders with new lines like the Orange, the recently
renovated
Green Line, and maybe this extension.
What do you think of the Idea?
Hope it doesn't take as long as BART's extension did to get approved!
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SUBJECT>can MN equmient run in the suybway
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Posted by Zack on August 20, 1997 at 22:50:21:
can Metro north M1a's run in the subway and is the MN owned by the
NYCTA????
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SUBJECT>Number of morning commuters in Grand Central Station
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Posted by big apple on August 20, 1997 at 22:50:51:
Looking for factual information on the number of people coming into
the city each weekday morning. Also, where can I find the best factual
information on daily operations ie.) busiest times, no. of trains
etc...
Please help and pass along what you may know.
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POSTER>Not a vandal
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Posted by Not a vandal on August 20, 1997 at 22:58:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Ghost trains(what absolute gall you have) posted
by Bingo on August 20, 1997 at 09:45:34:
As to prevent severe flaming in response to the Ghost trains thread, I
will withdraw peacefully from this discussion. However, I will not
leave without voicing my "opinion." I respect those who responded to
my post in a non-defmatory way, I do not respect those who attacked me
for "mentioning" that graffiti [to myself] is an "art." If these
individuals would have expressed their opinions with regards to the
nature of my original posting I would have been indifrent to their
comments. I dont think anyone
here has the right to pass judgement on graffiti. I do not belive
anyone has the right to comment on my "interest" in graffiti the way
bingo and Gary did, nor does anyone have the right to disrespect my
character or personality without actually knowing who I am. If these
individuals kept an open mind as to what I consider "art" (not
non-driscriptive and vague refrences to "tagging") they might realize
that some graffiti writers are contributing to society by destroying
the old stigmas of graffiti as mere "tags" on private property. I have
respect for law enforcement. I have respect for private and public
property. I have NO respect for people who cannot express their
opinions like reasonable adults. All kidding aside, the jokes I made
about the transit exhibit and the modern transit vandalism were simply
that, "Jokes." And of course, just as the 1st amendment garauntees
that I can express these opinions it also gives those aforementioned
individuals the right to say what their little hearts desire.
Please visit [6]Artcrimes for more information about what "graffit
art" really is.
Thanks for your time.
-Not a Vandal, but an Artist
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 20, 1997 at 23:44:05:
In Reply to: [6]can MN equmient run in the suybway posted by Zack on
August 20, 1997 at 22:50:21:
The simple answer to your question is NO for several reasons.
First: Metro-North equipment uses a shoe beam/contact shoe which picks
up 3rd rail voltage from the underside of the 3rd rail. NYCT 3rd rails
are designed so that pick-up is accomplished from the top.
Second: The M-1/M-3 car envelope will not fit most NYCT tunnels.
Third: M-1/M-3 is too long and would not handle the tight radii of
some NYCT curves.
Forth: NYCT does not use ASC (Speed Control) which the M-1/M-3s
require all though this can be bypassed.
Finally: Thw M-1/M-3 is too heavy for NYCT roadbed & track.
BTW - the same goes for the LIRR M-1/M-3s except for reason #1. This
is why LIRR electrics (M-1s & M-3s) can't run on Metro-North ROW
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Posted by Steve on August 20, 1997 at 23:52:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Low Volatage Cars posted by subway-buff on August
19, 1997 at 18:44:03:
Your explanation is essentially correct but NYCT does not use 24 Volts
for control. The nominal control voltage is 37.5 volts DC. This is
derived from either 80 or 100 Amp/Hr batteries. The batteries are kept
charged by Static Converters which convert the 600 Volt DC 3rd rail to
low voltage DC.
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Posted by John on August 21, 1997 at 00:03:20:
In the preview of the movie "Mimic", I saw that there were some shots
in the New York Subway, and what appears to be the front of an R-16
car. What part of the subway was the movie shot in?
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Posted by Steve on August 21, 1997 at 00:13:00:
In Reply to: [6]R-32/32A posted by Wayne Johnson on August 19, 1997 at
12:29:29:
After the initial delivery of the BrightonLiner R-32s, the NYCT put 4
on display at 34th ST/6th Ave. The public was invited to 'vote' on
which interior lighting and fan grill design they liked (BTW - I was
in high dchool at the time so my recollection may be somewhat shaded).
The R-32s had thin light linses and the standard louvered fan grills.
The R-32As came with light canopies which could serve to backlight
advertising signs. The fan grills were also different. However, from a
technical standpoint, the R-32As came with Westinghouse Propulsion
Packages while the R-32s came with GE SCM controllers.
The R-32s are no longer referred to as R-32 and R-32As. They are
currently referred to as R-32 Phase I, R-32 Phase II and R-32 GE. The
R32 GE were overhauled by GE and have no AC (there are just 10 of
them). The R-32 Phase I cars (re-built by MK) have WABCO Air Brake
packages, GE Master Controllers (Throttle) and Thermoking HVAC units.
The R-32 Phase II cars (also re-built by MK) have NY Air Brake
equipment, Westinghouse Master Controllers and Stone Safety HVAC
units.
Now that you've got all that straight, here's the kicker. Since the
cars were sent out to overhaul based on how poorly they were
performing ( bad cars first) there are regular R-32s and R-32As which
are Phase I and Phase II. There are also about a dozen pairs which are
comprised of R-32 and R-32A mixes. One last oddity of the R-32 fleet.
While the original contract of R-32s started with car #3350, there is
now an R-32 sporting the #3348. This was an odd car which was
converted to an 'even' car when the NYCT ended up with 2 odd cars due
to a mishap.
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Posted by Steve on August 21, 1997 at 00:14:29:
In Reply to: [6]R-32/32A posted by Wayne Johnson on August 19, 1997 at
12:29:29:
After the initial delivery of the BrightonLiner R-32s, the NYCT put 4
on display at 34th ST/6th Ave. The public was invited to 'vote' on
which interior lighting and fan grill design they liked (BTW - I was
in high school at the time so my recollection may be somewhat shaded).
The R-32s had thin light lenses and the standard louvered fan grills.
The R-32As came with light canopies which could serve to backlight
advertising signs. The fan grills were also different. However, from a
technical standpoint, the R-32As came with Westinghouse Propulsion
Packages while the R-32s came with GE SCM controllers.
The R-32s are no longer referred to as R-32 and R-32As. They are
currently referred to as R-32 Phase I, R-32 Phase II and R-32 GE. The
R32 GE were overhauled by GE and have no AC (there are just 10 of
them). The R-32 Phase I cars (re-built by MK) have WABCO Air Brake
packages, GE Master Controllers (Throttle) and Thermoking HVAC units.
The R-32 Phase II cars (also re-built by MK) have NY Air Brake
equipment, Westinghouse Master Controllers and Stone Safety HVAC
units.
Now that you've got all that straight, here's the kicker. Since the
cars were sent out to overhaul based on how poorly they were
performing ( bad cars first) there are regular R-32s and R-32As which
are Phase I and Phase II. There are also about a dozen pairs which are
comprised of R-32 and R-32A mixes. One last oddity of the R-32 fleet.
While the original contract of R-32s started with car #3350, there is
now an R-32 sporting the #3348. This was an odd car which was
converted to an 'even' car when the NYCT ended up with 2 odd cars due
to a mishap.
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Posted by Steve on August 21, 1997 at 00:21:43:
In Reply to: [6]Ghost trains posted by Not a vandal on August 19, 1997
at 20:16:25:
There are a couple of scrap cars (R12s) in Concourse Yard. However,
one favor, if you do come to paint them, come while I'm there.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 21, 1997 at 09:15:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Ghost trains(what absolute gall you have) posted
by Not a vandal on August 20, 1997 at 22:58:43:
I personally would never judge you because of your interests. One of
our (my friends and I) saying are "Whatever floats your boat" - But as
far as tagging on public property - most of us know that's wrong and
makes for an unsightly subway. I'm glad the TA has graffiti under
control and the graffiti artists need to realize tagging the subway is
not within their (or anyone's) rights.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 21, 1997 at 11:21:26:
In Reply to: [5]Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!! posted by
BJ633@aol.com on August 20, 1997 at 22:46:55:
If nothing else, the ability to hop over to a mall for a few hours on
a long layover between planes will probably devastate the business
volume of the overpriced airport gift shops and restaurants!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 21, 1997 at 11:31:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Ghost trains(what absolute gall you have) posted
by Not a vandal on August 20, 1997 at 22:58:43:
I guess I tarred with too wide a brush; I had no attention to attack
you, or even your interest in this subject. I personally don't like to
see graffiti because it makes me and my family feel unsafe and/or
threatened. This is OUR problem to solve. My beef is with the media
going out of it's way, as in the Venice coverage, to start it up
again. I hesitate to say something this supportative, but I figure I
owe you for having offended: Where would Archaeologists be today if
the "owners" of the cave walls in France and the Southweat had gone
out and obliterated the graffiti we now call cave paintings?
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 21, 1997 at 12:23:04:
In Reply to: [6]Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!! posted by
BJ633@aol.com on August 20, 1997 at 22:46:55:
Evidently CTA feels there is enough ridership potential that it is
worth studying the possibility of this extension. Increased ridership
does mean more revenues, even though this alone would not get them out
of debt. AT least CTA is keeping an eye towards the future.
--Mark
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Posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 21, 1997 at 12:24:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!!
posted by Gary Jacobi on August 21, 1997 at 11:21:26:
The facts are that the CTA didn't think of this, the north suburbs
did. They
still are thinking if they should do a study to see if this is worth
it.
If the study gets done and approved, then the CTA would have to step
in and
see where the money is comming from and if they should give any
towards the
project. It isn't just for the mall, there are some industrial parks
that
people commute to every day from the city that are on the way to the
mall and
the train would stop there. A possible route is down the interstate 90
median.
I will mention if the study gets approved or first of all if it gets
done!
For the complete story see the Chicago Tribune for Thursday August
21st.
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Posted by Philip Dominguez on August 21, 1997 at 12:31:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: El Structures For Model Railroads (to Gary Jacobi)
posted by Timothy on August 18, 1997 at 21:44:42:
The St. Louis viaduct was used by passanger trains going into the
city R.R. station
-Phil
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POSTER>Ed Sachs
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Posted by Ed Sachs on August 21, 1997 at 12:53:53:
In Reply to: [6]More Historical Questions posted by Lou from
Middletown on August 19, 1997 at 18:48:29:
BMT wasn't short on equipment, just short on steel subway cars. They
had lots of wooden el cars, but, by statute, they were prohibited from
subway tunnels. With the abandonment and demolition of the el lines,
more traffic had to be sent through the subway, and hence the car
shortage. Some creative ways of coping with the shortage included
short turning subway trains on the West End (now B) and Culver (now F)
lines during rush hours and using el car shuttles for the outer parts
of
the routes.
Other reasons: extensions to Astoria (1949, replacing shuttles from
Queensboro Plaza which used wooden cars), Forest Hills (1955? via
IND Queens Blvd. line).
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 21, 1997 at 13:00:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Transit Museum News & City Hall Station posted by
Charles Fiori on August 20, 1997 at 14:41:59:
While as a dire hard subway buff I completely agree with your points,
the Transit Museum is not just trying to reach out to subway buffs.
They want a larger general audience to come and visit, and hopefully
spend money in the gift shop to add to the museum's coffers. I am sure
that this is why you will see, and I think continue to see, the
inexpensive items that the museum currently offers. As an example,
many schools offer day trips to the museum as field trips or part of
the cirriculum; these kids certainly can't afford the high prices the
museum would charge for roll signs and historical artifacts. But they
can afford the little things, and these little purchases add up. The
museum commands high prices in general because the gift shop is one of
the prime ways the museum makes any money.
It would be nice, however, to see a greater mix of historical stuff
with the little trinkets.
The Museum used to hold an auction and tag sale every 2 years. There
should have been one by now (I don't even remember when the last one
was). A year or two ago, when I asked the museum why there hasn't been
one, they told me that the auction and tag sale cost them a great deal
to set up, both in terms of $$$ and people, and the sales generated
just barely made up the costs.
At the last auction, I bid for, and "won", the opportunity to spend a
day with the crew of the Track Geometry Car TGC-2. At that same
auction, a new-look bus was put up for auction and was purchased by
someone looking to restore it. I think the winning bid was $900. I
don't remember the shape the bus was in. There was even an R-22
offered, starting bid of $3,000, but no takers. Anyway, it would be
nice to see another one of these auctions take place.
--Mark
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Posted by Dave on August 21, 1997 at 13:38:05:
In Reply to: [6]More Historical Questions posted by Lou from
Middletown on August 19, 1997 at 18:48:29:
One reason why the BMT was short on equipment was because they retired
many of their wooden cars when they abandoned el service. Increased
ridership on the remaining BMT lines taxed their steel fleet beyond
it's limit. The Culver and West End lines were so short of steel cars
that they ran wooden el cars in shuttle service between Coney Island
and the Bensonhurst stations to keep a sufficient number of steel cars
available for service into Manhatten via the subway.
Add to this the fact that around 1950, the BMT aquired the entire
Astoria line, extending the steel run from Queens Plaza to Astoria.
Since the SIRT (B&O) equipment was very similar to the A-B steels, it
made sense for the BMT to pick up this equipment and run it with their
existing steels to partially relieve the equipment shortage.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 21, 1997 at 14:01:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Black Paint on Buses posted by Wayne Johnson on
August 20, 1997 at 12:20:38:
Different mode, but the same was true when R-46s had those neat black
fronts covered over. Much cooler car with the black on them.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on August 21, 1997 at 14:04:34:
Again another semi-silly question: Why did it take so long for NY
subways to get headlights??? It seems to me to be an obvious piece of
equipment for an underground electric railroad,especially when the els
had them! Or am I missing a point here????
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POSTER>Todd Minsk
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Posted by Todd Minsk on August 21, 1997 at 14:25:55:
In Reply to: [6]Narrow-gauge LIRR tracks? posted by Peter Rosa on
August 20, 1997 at 14:11:47:
That was the Phelps-Dodge copper facility; I can't remember if it was
a "refinery" or some other related function.
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SUBJECT>DISTANCE TO CORONA PARK FROM SUBWAY
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HOW FAR IS IT TO CORONA PARK FROM THE SUBWAY? WHAT SUBWAY STOP IS
CLOSER TO THE PARK - US TENNIS OPEN? HOW LATE DO THE TRAINS RUN?
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 21, 1997 at 14:39:16:
In Reply to: [5]DISTANCE TO CORONA PARK FROM SUBWAY posted by E.BULKA
on August 21, 1997 at 14:34:38:
The #7 Train stops at the entrance to the park. The station name is
Willets Point-Shea Stadium. Once you leave the train there is a
footbridge that go to the park. The number 7 train operates 24 hrs.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 21, 1997 at 14:43:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Black Paint on Buses posted by Charles Fiori on
August 21, 1997 at 14:01:33:
Yes, they (and R-44's) did look pretty cool.
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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SUBJECT>LIRR in need of a Dress Code for conductors
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 21, 1997 at 14:49:01:
As a daily commuter on the Port Washington branch, and a rail fan as
well, it really bothers me that the conductors on the LIRR seem to
disregard their job as being a professional service job and come to
work in attire that in the private sector would not be allow at all
especially when you are dealing with the public. My question is why
are there no strict guidelines for proper attire at they MTA? I doubt
that the MTA executives come to work so poorly dressed as some of the
conductors do. Some conductors just love to show off their hanging
jewelry and open chest at the same time, while others walk around with
long hair all over the place. Is there no pride anymore in being a
conductor?
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Posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 21, 1997 at 14:55:49:
If Times Square is in bad shape, what would be the nicest station
closest to
it?
I'm planning a trip in the future to NYC and would like to ride the
subway.
I'm going with my parents who didn't like ridding BART in SF until
they found
out that it is very nice and in great condition. My father made me ask
a police
officer if Balboa Park was in a good neighborhood and buy tickets a
day
ahead of time.
My point is that I would like to ride a safe line, maybe even the one
that
goes over the Brooklyn Bridge, that would be cool. Is Brooklyn a
primarily
safe area? I would like to ride the subway farther then Manhattan. I
don't know what burrows have the housing projects and aren't safe, and
which
are.
Here in Chicago we have some areas that are ok, some horrid, and some
that
have sports cars parked on the street. My point is I would like to
ride
through the ok areas and the great areas.
I would also like a line if possible that is both subway and elevated.
Also, is the whole subway operated by the nyc transit and called the
nycta/mta?
Thanks in advance, and if you need info about Chicago's Els and
subways, e-mail
me!
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 21, 1997 at 14:57:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Gate Cars posted by Allan on August 17, 1997 at
19:30:52:
The reason the gate cars in the Transit Museum have the lowered roofs
has nothing to do with subway clearences. The cars are former
remodeled wooden cars that were remodeled into 3-car sets by the BMT.
(Their last assignment was the Myrtle Avenue Elevated in the
1970's.)In the early 1950 the cars were transferred to the 3rd Avenue
elevated. The roofs were cut down from the standard railroad
clearstory to what they have now to clear station canopies and the
trucks were replaced with trucks from IRT Composite cars (to lessen
the total weight - The 3-car sets were too heavy for the Manhattan
portion of the El.) This made the cars slow and slightly "squashed".
The gate cars are actually a re-converted 3-Car train and never were
fully restored to BRT condition.
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Posted by Schnorb on August 21, 1997 at 15:09:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Ghost trains posted by David Pirmann on August 19,
1997 at 22:50:17:
Blahh !
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 21, 1997 at 15:35:04:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Subway posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 21, 1997
at 14:55:49:
To answer some of your questions:
1. The Times Square station may not be particularly esthetic, but it's
just as safe as anywhere else. No need to avoid it.
2. There aren't any subway lines over the Brooklyn Bridge. The B
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 21, 1997 at 15:51:26:
In Reply to: [5]NYC Subway posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 21, 1997
at 14:55:49:
This is a tough one. If you stick to Manhattan south of Central Park,
you are not dealing so much with neighborhoods as with places of work
and or business. I always wind up taking newcomers into the city on
the LIRR to Penn Station, and if a Subway trip is in order, we go
south on the Eighth ave A train, get off at W4th st, go down one
flight and take a local back up to the station, or on to 50th st which
is Rockefeller plaza and St Patricks Cathedral, about as safe a place
to go upstairs and walk around as I can think of. If your guests are
squeamish about sharing the trains with rough looking characters, I
would stay out of the outer boroughs. There is no train over the
Brooklyn bridge, and I believe the Manhattan Bridge is presently out
of service for trains as well.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 21, 1997 at 15:57:54:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Subway posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 21, 1997
at 14:55:49:
You should feel safe riding the subway anywhere it goes. You don't
have to worry about unsafe housing developments if you don't get off
the trains/leave the stations.
A nice ride that will take you thru all sorts of areas in a couple of
hours would be to start at midtown on the Sixth Avenue line (Orange on
the map). Take the D Train southbound toward Brooklyn. This will go
over the Manhattan Bridge and down the very scenic Brighton Line to
Coney Island. At Coney Island switch to the F train bound for
Manhattan which will take you over the scenic Smith/9th Street Viaduct
and return you to Manhattan via Tunnel.
There's a post a ways back about good stations to visit if you are
wanting to take pictures of the subway (I posted a list just the other
day).
The entire subway system is operated by an organization which calls
itself MTA New York City Transit. You can get a free map at any token
booth (in any station).
p.s. No trains run on the Brooklyn Bridge (not now, anyway). Write me
privately to get more information about good places to visit, if you
want.
--Dave
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 21, 1997 at 20:05:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Low Volatage Cars - Correction posted by Steve on
August 20, 1997 at 23:52:27:
Steve missed Subway-Buff's point. 24 volts is correct and my followup
to this post explained how the 24 volt power was obtained on a 600
volt DC system. Static converters may be be used now, but in 1915 that
technology was yet to be invented. As to the voltage used, that was
typical of the era and voltages in the 24-32 volt range for control
voltage remained standard in the electric railway industry for many
years. PCC car control voltage is 32 vols DC, obatined from a
motor-generator set. Standard GE PC and PCM control uses a 30 volt
control system, power being obtained by a battery that is charged by a
circuit from the negative side of the air compressor.
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Posted by Nick on August 21, 1997 at 20:34:05:
2 weeks ago when I was in GTC, I noticed that the main room (where the
turqoise ceiling was restored) looked like it was near completion
(though I can't say the same thing for some of the other parts of the
station) Which brings me to the question, is the new train
arrival/departure board going to be installed soon? Is it going to be
digital? Also, when is the complete renovation scheduled to be
completed? PLEASE POST ANY INFO YOU HAVE, EVEN IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER
EVERYTHING-THANK YOU!!
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Posted by Michael Adler on August 21, 1997 at 21:36:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway posted by David Pirmann on August 21,
1997 at 15:57:54:
p.s. No trains run on the Brooklyn Bridge (not now, anyway).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Does it mean NYCT are thinking of running trains over BB in the
future?
Michael Adler
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Posted by Allan on August 21, 1997 at 21:43:31:
In Reply to: [6]Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by Lou
from Middletown on August 21, 1997 at 14:04:34:
I don't really know but I recall hearing some oldtimers talk about
things like that. They said that the reason it the early subway cars
did not have headlights was so that track workers would not be blinded
by oncoming trains.
I suppose there may be some logic behind that in a real sense but
todays track workers don't seem to have a problem.
You also have to remember that there were and still are tunnel lights
every couple of feet so it was never completely dark in the tunnel
(except when one light blew out - then a whole row would be out).
The newer tunnel lights are much better and really light things up.
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Posted by Allan on August 21, 1997 at 21:47:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway (Brooklyn Bridge) posted by Michael
Adler on August 21, 1997 at 21:36:51:
Dream on Michael. They have enough trouble with the Manhattan and
Williamburg Bridges.
Also because of changes in the roadways on the BB it would be nearly
impossible to put trackage on it again.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 21, 1997 at 23:03:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway (Brooklyn Bridge) posted by Michael
Adler on August 21, 1997 at 21:36:51:
No, I was implying that there once were trains on the Brooklyn Bridge,
but no longer. With the problems that have happened on the Manh. Br.
and the Willie B. they'd be nuts to consider putting trains on the Bk.
Br. Hell they are practically tearing the Willie B. down to the
columns and building a new bridge from scratch.
--Dave
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Posted by Michael Adler on August 21, 1997 at 23:28:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway (Brooklyn Bridge) posted by Allan on
August 21, 1997 at 21:47:09:
How long do you guys think WB, MB will last?
Michael Adler
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Posted by STEVE LOWENTHAL on August 22, 1997 at 00:38:37:
DOES ANYONE HAVE DETAILS AND ROUTING INFO ON '
THIS COMPANY
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Posted by Steve on August 22, 1997 at 02:24:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Low Voltage Cars - Correction posted by Dan
Lawrence on August 21, 1997 at 20:05:03:
I don't think I missed anyones point. According to the "NYC Transit
Authority Revenue & Non-Revenue Car Drawings" book, the earliest IRT
equipment listed were the Q type built 1903 - 1908. The batteries were
charged via a Westinghouse UM-281a trickle charger. The rated output
of this unit is listed at 37 volts DC. The BMT equipment built in the
next decade and the R-1s through R-9s (built in the 30s) had D-3f
Wabco air compressors which had a magneto for battery charging. The
R-10 was the first piece of NYCT equipment (built 1948) to use an M-G
to charge the batteries, again 37.5 volts. If you have a credible
source for information about NYCT equipment that contradicts mine, I'd
certainly be interested in seeing it.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on August 22, 1997 at 02:49:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Transit Museum News & City Hall Station posted by
Zack on August 20, 1997 at 20:07:46:
Yea, that always bothered me that the Tansit Museum was always
curiously lacking in transit memorabilia. There is a book store in
Penn Station which has as many or more books on trains and NY as the
TM (I bought a couple of nice ones on the LIRR, Reading and others
there), and many old signs that could be sold by the exhibit are
instead being sold by old sign sellers (for lack of a better name) on
Houston Street (I even saw one sign from a Third Avenue El train to
149 Street-3 Ave). I felt if they improved their book collection and
sold some of the stuff collected from station renovations they could
increase sales. I certainly would LOVE to buy an old sign pointing to
routes which no longer exist or have been changed.
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Posted by Pat Villani on August 22, 1997 at 04:32:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structures For Model Railroads (to Gary Jacobi)
posted by Timothy on August 18, 1997 at 21:44:42:
I spoke with Micro Engineering regarding their viaducts some time ago.
In fact, I ordered one as an experiment. Not close enough for my
tastes.
I'm currently building my own el structures based on design
information available from Building the New Rapid Transit System Of
New York City Circa 1915 and photographs of the Jamaica Avenue el in
Queens.
The technique used is resin castings with RTV molds. The patterns for
the molds are scratch built. I have a list of references on my web
site at http://www.iop.com/~patv/railroad.html if you're interested.
Also, there's the Fall Trolley Extravaganza coming up in two weeks
where there'll be a session on building el structures presented by
Frank Gatazka.
I missed the original posting, but I hope this helps.
Pat
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Posted by Zack on August 22, 1997 at 06:48:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway (Brooklyn Bridge) posted by Michael
Adler on August 21, 1997 at 23:28:12:
They will probally put them on their own bridges or in tunnels i the
next 25 years or at least be concidering it at that time
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Posted by Zack on August 22, 1997 at 06:51:13:
In Reply to: [6]Grand Central Arrival/Departure Board posted by Nick
on August 21, 1997 at 20:34:05:
i am only guessing but it will probally be digital for the low
manitance they require but its only a guess
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 22, 1997 at 07:47:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Transit Museum News & City Hall Station posted by
Andrew Huie on August 22, 1997 at 02:49:02:
Where on Houston Street? Would love to track this stuff down.
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Posted by aaron on August 22, 1997 at 10:34:18:
In Reply to: [6]DISTANCE TO CORONA PARK FROM SUBWAY posted by E.BULKA
on August 21, 1997 at 14:34:38:
It is a short walk to the tennis center from the #7 subway; take the
express if it is running to Shea Stadium, about 50 minutes from Times
Square. You can also take the Long Island Railroad from Penn Station,
it costs a couple dollars more but only takes 15 minutes.
P.S. If you need any tennis tickets, e-mail me...
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 22, 1997 at 10:55:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway (Brooklyn Bridge) posted by Zack on
August 22, 1997 at 06:48:37:
If it were not for the various financial crises of the thirties, the
IND system would have included tunnels which would have duplicated the
services provided by the BMT over the two bridges in question. Even
then it was known that suspension bridges and repeated concentrated
loads don't mix very well.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 22, 1997 at 13:23:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Connector posted by David Pirmann on August
19, 1997 at 08:13:42:
After reading your comment, I found that boarded-over entrance at
Herald Square and looked through one of the gaps in the boards. It was
dark inside, and hard to see anything, but I did make out what I
believe was a tile-covered pillar, like those seen in stations. Some
time I'll try to shine a flashlight through one of the gaps, hopefully
I'll be able to see more.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 22, 1997 at 14:02:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway (Brooklyn Bridge) posted by Michael
Adler on August 21, 1997 at 23:28:12:
The WB? Well, there's a major rehab now under way, so given this,
probably another 50 years, even with train traffic.
The MB? I think you;re going to see truck restrictions placed on the
MB in 5 years to try and extend the life of the bridge. This might
allow train traffic to continue in the future, although I don't know
if we'll see both sides of the MB open to train traffic in our
lifetimes.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 22, 1997 at 14:40:43:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Subway posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 21, 1997
at 14:55:49:
Before you visit NYC, write the MTA for a subway map or view the
on-line maps at this site to familiarize yourself with the system.
I'll assume the departure point fro your trip(s) is Manhattan. If
you're coming to NY to just ride the trains, these have always been my
favourites, and each one goes to a different borough:
- The #7 line from 42nd St/Times Square to Main St, Flushing, Queens.
Try to time your trip where at least one leg is during rush hour so
you can enjoy the express ride from Queensboro Plaza to Main St (or
vice versa in the AM rush). If you're going to stop for photos,
consider Queensboro Plaza (multi-level elevated station transferring
with the N train), 111th St (junction with Willets Point Yard, express
track rises to a second level) and Willets Point/Shea Stadium (exit
train onto footbridge into Flushing Meadows Park and cross over
Willets Point Yard). The R-36 fleet has the accessible railfan window.
- The Brighton Line (D/Q) into Coney Island, Brooklyn. If you prefer
an express ride in Brooklyn, use the Q train to Brighton Beach and
then cross the platform for a transfer to the Coney Island bound F.
The Brighton line has different types of running: over the Manhattan
Bridge (suspension bridge over the East River), tunnel, open cut,
elevated ROW, typical EL south of Neptune Ave into Coney Island). The
double-decked El structure between West 8th St and Stillwell Ave has
always been one of my favourites to photograph. The R-68s that are
used on the D/Q lines do not have the railfan window, although
sometimes the window into the train operator's cab is not obstructed
with a sign or jacket. Suggested photo locations include Beverley Road
from the Coney Island bound platform, Ave J for the runbys, Brighton
Beach, Ocean Pkwy (facing West 8th St), West 8th St and Coney Island -
Stillwell Ave. There's an overpass at Stillwell Ave over all the lines
that terminate thee (4 lines B/D/F/N, all terminating at Island
Platforms. Go to Nathan's for lunch - a Coney Island institution for
over 75 years. And take a walk on the Coney Island Boardwalk (head
East towards Brighton Beach). The return trip from Coney Island can be
up to you. If you like mostly open cut running, use the N train. The N
is running with a mix of equipment right now, so if you have the time,
wait for a train with the railfan window (R-32, R-40 or R-42). If you
like mostly elevated running, return with the F (with a nice trip over
the Smith ST viaduct, highest point in the system not counting
suspension bridges) but the F, like the D/Q, does nothave the railfan
window. You could also take the B (which is my preference) with a
winding route through Brooklyn and a nice express run between 36th St
and Pacific Street. And for the most part, the equipment used (R-40,
R-42) has the railfan window; if you're doing this on a weekend, it
might be harder to get a train with a railfan window; R-68s are used.
- Take the #2 train to 241 St / White Plains Road, Wakefield, the
Bronx. Nice long elevated stretch through the Bronx. Photo opportunity
at E 180 St. Overpass connecting Bronx and Manhattan bound platforms
at Southern end of station giving nice views of the El approaching
from the south. All stops between 149th St and 241 St, except for
180th and E Tremont Ave, are not recommended for photo stops. The
"endangered species" redbirds still make up this fleet so getting a
railfan window should not be a problem.
- Runners Up: The J line from Broad/Wall Sts to Parsons/Archer. Long
El through Brooklyn and Queens. Also the spur from Myrtle Ave to
Metropolitan Ave along the M route. Lots of old El structure to be
seen, some dating back to the turn of the century. No photo stops
recommended here unless you're with someone who is familiar with the
system. The fleet on these lines consists mostly of R-40s and R-42s,
so, again, getting a railfan window should not be a problem.
Also make the Transit Museum in downtown Brooklyn a required stop when
you're here. No other place like it (other than the London Underground
museum at Covent Garden, London, England).
E-mail me privately for more specifics, should you need them.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 22, 1997 at 14:44:55:
In Reply to: [6]Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by Lou
from Middletown on August 21, 1997 at 14:04:34:
It's actually not so obvious. In a few years, people will be asking
why the third tail light in the center of cars wasn't there until the
mid-80s even though it was shown well before the 80s to reduce
rear-end collisions. Perhaps it's as simple as "no one thought about
it".
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 22, 1997 at 16:08:04:
In Reply to: [6]Mark's Favourite Lines Re: NYC Subway posted by Mark S
Feinman on August 22, 1997 at 14:40:43:
Another feature about the N train that makes it an interesting ride is
the way it goes right through the Coney Island Yard. That offers a
view of a facility normally not available to the public.
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on August 22, 1997 at 16:30:48:
In Reply to: [5]NYC Subway posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 21, 1997
at 14:55:49:
As an out-of towner who doesn't get into town nearly enough to ride
the trains, I would make a couple of more suggestions: 1. The #2
(Broadway Express) downtown from 96th St. to Chambers-One of the best
express runs to ride head-end with. 2.From Chambers, ride the PATH
train out to Newark. It runs through the hugh South Kearny freght
yards on the way and is another nice run. From Newark go downstairs in
Penn Station, and ride the famous Newark subway.This is run with very
well kept PCC cars(!).Good luck!!
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Posted by Mitch on August 22, 1997 at 17:19:02:
On my daily commute between NY Penn and Newark Penn on NJ Transit, I
see what looks like a plaque in the swamp (excuse me, wetlands) on the
Secaucus bank of the Hackensack River (looking out the east windows of
the train). This seems like a weird place for a marker. Was there a
train wreck on the bridge over the Hackensack River once, and this is
the memorial? Thanks.
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Posted by ~airplane on August 22, 1997 at 21:59:40:
In Reply to: [6]Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by Mitch on August
22, 1997 at 17:19:02:
I recall that an Amtrak Fast Mail train derailed on a swing bridge
somewhere in the Jersey swamps either this year or late last year. Was
this the bridge? If so, why would they make a plaque for a crash in
which no one was killed?
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Posted by ~airplane on August 22, 1997 at 21:59:52:
In Reply to: [6]Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by Mitch on August
22, 1997 at 17:19:02:
I recall that an Amtrak Fast Mail train derailed on a swing bridge
somewhere in the Jersey swamps either this year or late last year. Was
this the bridge? If so, why would they make a plaque for a crash in
which no one was killed?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 23, 1997 at 00:49:53:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by ~airplane
on August 22, 1997 at 21:59:52:
The Fast Mail did indeed derail near this bridge, but I don't remember
hearing anything about a plaque placed there. Maybe it commemorates
something else?
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Posted by Timothy on August 23, 1997 at 02:50:13:
I'm planning a trip to Chicago sometime early this fall to ride and
take
photos of the Els. Although I was in Chicago 2 years ago, I didn't get
to
photograph any of the Green Line, because it was shut down for
rehabilitation. Most of the photos taken 2 years ago were of the El
structure and stations within the Loop, as well as the short section
of
El structure on the Blue (O'Hare) line. I'm planning to photograph the
El
structure and several stations along the Lake Street Line, as well as
the
63rd Street (Jackson Park Line). The thing that I'm concerned about,
is
that I've heard that the Green Line does pass through or near several
very
depressed neighborhoods along Lake Street, as well as Jackson Park. On
the
other hand, I was told that a lot of the stations in those areas are
very
old and beautiful. Would it be possible for me to photograph any part
of
the Green Line outside the Loop without taking the risk of running
into
any trouble?
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Posted by IRM on August 23, 1997 at 05:00:55:
If you were able to install new lines, building from scratch and
utilizing new/existing trackage, what would u do.
Here are my top 5
1) airport shuttle
create a loop from roosevelt 74th/ down to La Guardia then down va
woodside to link with existing LIRR (rockawAy) spur no longer in use.
2) queens extension
the 7 down past queens college to Bayside
3) Kings Plaza direct
4) LIRR/Penny Bridge convert;
express train from Jamaica with stop at Metropolitan (M) to link with
7 at LIC
5) second ave subway, of course, with connection to 7 (new 2nd ave
station for 7)
Just my thoughts....
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Posted by IRM on August 23, 1997 at 05:01:05:
If you were able to install new lines, building from scratch and
utilizing new/existing trackage, what would u do.
Here are my top 5
1) airport shuttle
create a loop from roosevelt 74th/ down to La Guardia then down va
woodside to link with existing LIRR (rockawAy) spur no longer in use.
2) queens extension
the 7 down past queens college to Bayside
3) Kings Plaza direct
4) LIRR/Penny Bridge convert;
express train from Jamaica with stop at Metropolitan (M) to link with
7 at LIC
5) second ave subway, of course, with connection to 7 (new 2nd ave
station for 7)
Just my thoughts....
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Posted by BJ633@aol.com on August 23, 1997 at 12:41:12:
In Reply to: [6]Chicago's Green Line posted by Timothy on August 23,
1997 at 02:50:13:
I have lived in Chicago all my life and ridden all the El's with no
problems.
The outer portion in Oak Park of the Green Line is very nice and in a
great
neighborhood. It does go throught questionable neighborhods on the
Lake
Street route, but because of the people ridding from high class Oak
Park
everyday, no one bothers anyone.
The green Line has two branches at the other end of the Line, which
are 63/Ashland
and 63/Cottage Grove. These both go through questionable
neightborhoods.
They really aren't branches of the Main Line, they each just have two
stations.
The one to 63/Cottage Grove is called East 63rd and trains to their
are
labeled east 63rd. Only ride the green Line in the daytime and you
will
be fine. The branch to East 63rd is in or near a great area, but on
the
border of a bad one.
I would also recomend ridding the Blue Line to Forest Park for a fast
ride
and photo oppertunities at the end of the line.
The 54th/Cermak branch is one of the worst El's in neighborhoods going
throught and condition. You proabaly won't want to photograph it or
ride
it. Even the end of the Line 54th/Cermak in Cicero is a horrible
neighborhood.
You proabaly rode the red line to Howard and purle line Evanston
Express last time, but
ride them again. The both go throught great areas and have really big
Elevated portions. The Evanston one is elevated all the way from the
loop,
the on a enbankment in Evanston and goes to street level just before
the
last stop Wilmett--Linden.
Have fun and if you want any other info reguarding Chicago or it's
El's
E-mail me!
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 23, 1997 at 15:26:37:
In Reply to: [5]needs posted by IRM on August 23, 1997 at 05:01:05:
1) The airport shuttle has been a long standing battle that I am not
quite sure at this point who is winning or losing. I do know that
certain civic groups along that proposed path of the airport shuttle
do not want it because they think it will be another "noisy train" in
their back yards. There are not too many right-of-ways existing in
Queens that would serve a feasibile route.
2) The extension of the #7 line is probably a dead issue now that the
double fare zones have been eliminated. Since NYCTA is upgrading the
Flushing station which is underground, to continue the underground
route would not be feasible considering the disruption it would cause
local neighborhoods. To put it aboveground as in the elevated sense,
you can be sure that local civic groups would never go for that idea
at all. Besides, as a resident of Bayside, I too don't want a subway
out in our "neck of the woods." The LIRR serves us quite well with
good express service to Manhattan in 20 mintutes.
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on August 23, 1997 at 17:31:37:
I realize everyone does not have HBO but I am supprised that no one
has
mentioned this show. It had a lot of station and train shots. Is it
filmed in NYC?
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Posted by ~airplane on August 23, 1997 at 18:03:24:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Stories on HBO. posted by FRED WELLMAN on
August 23, 1997 at 17:31:37:
Yes, I believe it was shot in NYC, based on the following key pieces
of evidence:
1-Made by HBO NYC Productions, not the California unit.
2-The final scene where the camera is turned around to show us the
crew clogging the end of the passageway in Grand Central.
3-The use of the police squad assigned only to movies and television
(check the credits).
By the way, if anyone missed the movie, set your VCRs for Monday
morning at 1:00 AM, or wait until next Saturday.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 23, 1997 at 19:41:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More Historical Questions posted by Charles Fiori
on August 20, 1997 at 14:33:39:
The SIRT equipment was bought with a BMT connection in mind, when it
was bought new! The sale to the BMT (NYCTA) in the 50s was merely to
get extra cars as noted in the other posts.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 23, 1997 at 19:47:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: HI-V posted by Dave on August 20, 1997 at
09:01:00:
Two Hi-V cars do exist in museums. 3352 at Seashore is one of the
original 'Gibbs' all steel cars from the first days of the subway. The
car at Shore Line (Branford) is an ACF deck roof car numbered in the
3600s. Although both of these predate the 'standard' Hi-V cars, they
do belong in that classification.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 23, 1997 at 19:57:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: HI-V posted by Dave on August 20, 1997 at
09:01:00:
Dave's roster indicates 676 motor cars including steel test car 3342.
The Gibbs cars account for 300 of these, and the deck roof cars
another 50, leaving only 325 of the 'standard' variety.
The 400 'composite' cars were also Hi-V cars but they finished their
careers on the els. All conventional el cars on the IRT were Hi-V.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 23, 1997 at 20:29:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Low Voltage Cars - Correction posted by Steve on
August 22, 1997 at 02:24:36:
Back in the 20's the use of the UM-281a charger was more current
related than voltage related. The idea was to trap some or all of the
compressor current and force it through the batteries. The relay in
the charger simply prevented the batteries from discharging through a
parallel resistor when the compressor was stopped. Batteries were
usually edison cells with relatively low capacity, thus they depended
on frequent compressor cycles to keep up. Whether 16 cells (24v) or 24
cells (32v) batteries were used was dependent on the car, either would
work with the same charger.
Even today the standard voltage is always less than the rated charger
voltage. A PCC car uses 37.5 volts MG output to charge its 32 volt
battery.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 23, 1997 at 21:42:57:
To those that are interested, the Central Light Rail Line running
through North/South through the city of Baltimore will be growing
again on the Northern end. A segment to Hunt Valley will begin
operation on Tuesday, September 9th. The segment will include 5 new
stations north of the current terminus at Timonium. the 5 new stations
are at Warren Road, Gilroy Road, McCormick Road, Pepper Road, and the
Hunt Valley Mall. All of the stations are located in the MASSIVE Hunt
Valley business community. Such major corporations like MCI, AT & T,
and the world Headquarters for the McCormick Spice Company are located
here, soooooo, Michael Adler, it's time to update your map....have
fun.
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Posted by Joe M on August 23, 1997 at 21:54:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Chicago's Green Line posted by BJ633@aol.com on
August 23, 1997 at 12:41:12:
When you ride the red line don't forget the skokie swift from Howard
street.
It is the last remaining section of the High Speed north shore route
from Milwaukee to Chicago. It is a fas ride and you change from 3rd
rail to cantanary about 1/3 of the way into the ride.
Non stop from Howard to Dempster. Its a fast ride. The old terminal
building is identical to several that were built at the time the line
was constructed. It is one of 2 remaining that I know of the other is
a spagetti place in Kenosha
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Posted by Steve on August 24, 1997 at 01:32:59:
In Reply to: [6]Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by Lou
from Middletown on August 21, 1997 at 14:04:34:
I can't answer your question as to why but I can tell you when. The
first cars delivered to the TA equiped with headlights, were the
R-22s, delivered in 1957. Prior to that, all cars had red or white
running lights mounted just above the anti-climbs. After the delivery
of the 22s, the TA decided to equip all revenue and non-revenue
vehicles with headlights. This was done between 1959 and 1964. As to
why it took so long, I can only guess that it was because headlights
were not required since the NYCT system was not a class I railroad.
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Posted by Steve on August 24, 1997 at 01:49:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Low Voltage Cars - Correction posted by Gerry
O'Regan on August 23, 1997 at 20:29:56:
According to the prints that I have - the IRT Q cars had (2) B2H
batteries. I can't substantiate that the cars were either 24v or 37.5v
when built. Perhaps you know which is the case. However, the surviving
Low Vs are 37.5 volts now (the museum cars)
You are also correct about the nominal voltage being less than the
charger voltage, however, on a standard 8 or 10 car consist, there is
roughly a drop of 0.5 to 0.75 volts per car on trainline circuits (@
moderate current).
Therefore, since most of the relays used on the cars have a minimum
voltage rating of 28 VDC, it is necessary that the battery output on
any car be 36 volts with the converter off. 32 volts on one end of a
600' train would be 24-26 volts at the other end in trainline
applications.
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Posted by Zack on August 24, 1997 at 02:18:25:
In Reply to: [6]Another system grows again posted by Mark Greenwald on
August 23, 1997 at 21:42:57:
is there any projected ridership for the new extension?? did they buy
any new cars for the line??
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Posted by John on August 24, 1997 at 10:59:13:
In Reply to: [5]MIMIC posted by John on August 21, 1997 at 00:03:20:
I just saw the movie Mimic yesterday. All I can say is, the one thing
it didn't mimic was the accuracy concerning the subway. Did anybody
see the movie? Aside from sub-human life forms breeding in the subway
(which might not be so *inaccurate* - sometimes you wonder . . . ) I
bet not one shot of that movie was shot on MTA property. The Delancy
Street station was completely wrong (since when do station lights
flicker on and off like that?) The trains were totally alien to New
York, and that old, abandoned subway car - the "CR-17"? The only thing
that car even slightly resembled was an R-17, and that was because of
the end door (with the circular window).
Aside from that, how do you like those things? Good job - the females
were supposed to be sterile, but they wound up getting pregnant
anyway. Sounds like the [only] male should've been more "careful" :-)
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Posted by subway-buff on August 24, 1997 at 11:53:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway (Brooklyn Bridge) posted by Michael
Adler on August 21, 1997 at 23:28:12:
In July of this year In toured both bridges- WB and MB with city
engineers.
First the WB: The city is rebuilding the Transit line from Marcy to
Essex including a "new" bridge within ta bridge for the J Train.
Sometime in 1999 they will ,after making sure the new steel is on
site, tear down the train structure across the WB and do a 100%
rebuild. If you will walk across the WB from the Brooklyn Side to
Manhattan side, you can already see the supports for the new "transit
structure".
Next the MB: Yes the city is aware of the twisting the bridge faces
when two trains enter the bridge from opposite ends. They are already
adding steel stiffening girders under the currently closed train
tracks (To Canal Street unused platform.) When this side of the bridge
is completed and painted, they will close the tracks to 6th ave(now
used by B,D,Q) and do likewise. The engineer advised that MB should be
open in 1999 including the walkway next to the "Broadway Line Subway
Tracks."
The repairs the city is doing will ensure that both bridges last
another 100 years * I F * they maintain the bridges.
Yes-they will have to temporarily take trains of the WB for the 6
months to tear down and rebuild.
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Posted by Dave on August 24, 1997 at 12:28:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by
Steve on August 24, 1997 at 01:32:59:
>
Steve,
According to Greller's book, "New York City Subway Cars," the R-15,
R-16 and R-17 all came equipped with headlights. This data is shown on
the TA's Car Maintenance Department sheets for the cars, reprinted in
the book.
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POSTER>Michael Adler
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Posted by Michael Adler on August 24, 1997 at 14:49:07:
In Reply to: [6]Another system grows again posted by Mark Greenwald on
August 23, 1997 at 21:42:57:
Thanks Mark, will update the map, as soon as I get the station names
(or even better, a map :-)
Michael Adler
Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
City Letter Carrier serving Wheat Ridge & Mountain View (not
Netscape's hoemtown )
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Posted by Timothy on August 24, 1997 at 15:48:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago's Green Line posted by BJ633@aol.com on
August 23, 1997 at 12:41:12:
Did you get any of my E-mail messages? I sent you messages yesterday,
through both my Erol's, and CompuServe addresses. I've been
experiencing
problems with sending E-mail through my Erol's address. The mail does
not
always go through. Please let me know if you are receiving my
messages.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 24, 1997 at 16:23:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Another system grows again posted by Michael Adler
on August 24, 1997 at 14:49:07:
Mike, A map is on the way, Mark
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 24, 1997 at 17:11:41:
In Reply to: [5]Chicago's Green Line posted by Timothy on August 23,
1997 at 02:50:13:
Oh get real!!!As long as your not runnin around the el station at 1:00
in the morning yelling obcenities at people...nothing is going to
happen to you.Its not Sarievo...your not going to have a problem
anywere in Chicago in the middle of day unless your looking for it.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 24, 1997 at 21:59:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by
Dave on August 24, 1997 at 12:28:02:
According to my source, "Revenue & Non-Revenue Car Drawings", which
was compiled by the NYCT Maintenance Support Dept.:
the R-15s were delivered in 1950 but the headlights were installed in
1962 and 63. The drawing # is 402-2001 (sheet 20)
The R-16s were delivered in 1954 & 55 but the headlights were
installed in 1961 - 63. The drawing # is 402-2001 (sheet21)
The R-17s were delivered in 1955 &56 but the headlights were installed
in 1957. The drawing # is 402-2001 (sheet 22)
If these are the sheets re-printed in the book, & you look at the
notes printed at the bottom, you'll see the date the headlights were
installed in the lower left-hand corner. I hope that this clarifys the
matter but if not you can contact me via E-Mail and I'll give you more
info.
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POSTER>Ted Nielsen
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on August 24, 1997 at 22:45:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by John on
August 23, 1997 at 00:49:53:
I once read about a major train derailment in New Jersey that happened
many years ago , but , I'm not sure anymore if it occured at that
location. I do remember that alot of people were killed.
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POSTER>Bryan LLLLLLayne
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Posted by Bryan LLLLLLayne on August 24, 1997 at 23:14:23:
In Reply to: [5]Grand Central Arrival/Departure Board posted by Nick
on August 21, 1997 at 20:34:05:
I'm pretty sure that it is supposed to be done in '98.
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POSTER>Nick
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Posted by Nick on August 24, 1997 at 23:17:29:
My thanks to zack for giving the info on how the GTC arrival/departure
board will probably be digital. I'm also wondering when this board
will be installed, and when therenovation of GTC is scheduled to be
completed-THANK YOU!
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 24, 1997 at 23:27:08:
In Reply to: [5]Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!! posted by
BJ633@aol.com on August 20, 1997 at 22:46:55:
Actually,now don't get mad,but your wrong.All that article was about
was the suburbs of Shaumburg and Elk Grove Village and surrounding
suburbs got together and came to the conclusion that a vital piece of
Chicago,the "L",would be welcome in there area.Because of congestion
problems and industry in places like the east side of Elk Grove
Village,they think that the CTA trains would be very useful and a
smart thing to have in there area.The CTA had nothing to do with
it.Obviosly the CTA would never build an extention out that far and
they would'nt build it to Woodfield Mall of all places.For one the CTA
doesnt have the money to do that.2-if they were to build it..it would
go to the Rosemont Horizon with probably a terminal at the south end
of Shaumburg,with tops 3 extra stops.Even that would cost a couple
bucks that at this point and probably for a while the CTA doesnt
have.(suggestion..not to be a jerk..but the next time you post get the
details right before)
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 24, 1997 at 23:32:47:
Does the TA have any electric fences(would be 2or 3 fences in)around
the yards?
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 25, 1997 at 00:04:42:
In Reply to: [6]Electric Yard Fences? posted by Bryan Layne on August
24, 1997 at 23:32:47:
No - not as yet. Most yards are fenced with two parallel chain link
fences with razor ribbon on top of the fences and in between the
fences. Electrified fences, I believe, are illegal.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 25, 1997 at 03:19:31:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR in need of a Dress Code for conductors posted by
Bill Ruiz on August 21, 1997 at 14:49:01:
I can see your point. Earlier today, I took a day trip to Long Beach
and the conductor on the return trip had practically the top half of
his shirt unbuttoned!
Then again, I could see the reason for his slack attire - there were A
LOT of nicely tanned young ladies on that train! :-)
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 25, 1997 at 07:58:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by Ted Nielsen
on August 24, 1997 at 22:45:30:
There was a wreck, early '96, I believe, with 2 NJT commuter trains.
Engineer on one was killed, along with a passenger on the other. Fuzzy
on the details, but that sounds like the right spot. Eons ago, a
Jersey central train went off an open bridge over the Raritan River.
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on August 25, 1997 at 09:07:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by
Steve on August 24, 1997 at 21:59:52:
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You are correct, sir! Thanks.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 25, 1997 at 09:26:27:
In Reply to: [6]Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by Lou
from Middletown on August 21, 1997 at 14:04:34:
One (literal!) observation about subway headlights - they're
relatively ineffectual. Whenever I've stood in front of the "railfan
window" on trips through tunnels, I've noticed how little is
illuminated. True, the motorman's cab is somewhat darkened, but I
don't imagine that makes a significant difference.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 25, 1997 at 11:18:10:
In Reply to: [5]Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by Mitch on August
22, 1997 at 17:19:02:
Thanks for calling it "EONS AGO"; I can't quite place it in time or as
to where I was when I heard about it, but I will guess at 1965. A
commuter train plunged off the open Hackensack Lift Bridge and killed
quite a few. The Raritan River accident took place in the same decade,
but I don't recall a death toll.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 25, 1997 at 11:29:11:
In Reply to: [6]Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by Mitch on August
22, 1997 at 17:19:02:
Not to sound like a smart-ass, BUT, could it possibly be just a simple
"No Trespassing" sign?, or possibly a no fishing or whatever
sign.---just a thought.
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on August 25, 1997 at 11:29:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by Charles
Fiori on August 25, 1997 at 07:58:01:
The crash of the two NJT trains was on Friday, February 9, 1996, on
the Main Line, not the NE Corridor Line, but the two lines intersect
in the area of the Hackensack River and all the other details sound
right.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on August 25, 1997 at 12:04:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by Steve on August
25, 1997 at 00:04:42:
When one considers that subway vandals have dealt with razor wire and
done their deeds in close proximity to 600 volts DC, they probably
wouldn't find any deterrent in a electric fence. Even if legal, it
probably wouldn't be much of a deterrent. Vigilance by security forces
and unpleasant punishments are the best deterrent!
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Posted by Charles on August 25, 1997 at 12:35:07:
Does Anyone know if MTA NYC Transit is schedueling any open houses any
time soon? My prefrences are 207 St. Yd, Concourse, Pelham Diesel
Shop, or any other shops or Yards.
Another quick question, Does anyone know of locations that someone
could photograph subways (revenue or Non Revenue) without tresspassing
on NYCT property?
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on August 25, 1997 at 12:36:20:
Does Anyone know if MTA NYC Transit is schedueling any open houses any
time soon? My prefrences are 207 St. Yd, Concourse, Pelham Diesel
Shop, or any other shops or Yards.
Another quick question, Does anyone know of locations that someone
could photograph subways (revenue or Non Revenue) without tresspassing
on NYCT property?
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Posted by Charles on August 25, 1997 at 12:42:09:
I am interested in what other buffs have to say on this matter. What
places are preferable for you to photograph trains or buses in side or
outside of property lines in NY or NJ? I have a few prefrences.
1. Smith & 9th streets with manhattan back drop.
2. Jamaica Station on the LIRR
3. Croton Harmon on Metro North Railroad
4. Newark Penn Station on NJT
5. Franklin Ave on NCS
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at 13:06:12:
In Reply to: [6]Any Open Houses? posted by Charles on August 25, 1997
at 12:36:20:
Not sure what you mean when you ask for places to photograph the
subway without trespassing-- photography on the subway (for the xxxth
time) is LEGAL.
That being said, some of my favorite off-system locations are the
bridge over Corona Yard (Shea Stadium station), and the walk around
the 36th-38th St. yard (Ninth Avenue station). Much of the 36th St
Yard is visible from the road along its northern side. Mark F. likes
the ped. bridge at West 8th St. Coney Island. There's also lots of
areas over the Brighton and West End lines that would make good
vantage points. I think there is a road bridge over Concourse Yard
too. If you're daring, there's the Bronx River Parkway bridge over
East 180th St. (kidding! don't try this at home) Most of the other
areas I can think of would require trespassing on someone else's
property... If you're interested in PATH, I know some nice places to
go that are outside of PATH property...
--Dave
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 25, 1997 at 13:07:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago's Green Line posted by BJ633@aol.com on
August 23, 1997 at 12:41:12:
> The 54th/Cermak branch is one of the worst El's in neighborhoods
going
> throught and condition. You proabaly won't want to photograph it or
ride
> it. Even the end of the Line 54th/Cermak in Cicero is a horrible
> neighborhood.
Interesting. I rode it from O'Hare to 54th/Cermak in the front car
with a camcorder on from terminal to terminal. No one bothered me. I
did this late in the day on a weekday; the return trip was at night.
Here's where I went for photo and video stops outside the Loop (I'm
also not from Chicago) :
- Howard. (Red/Purple/Yellow). Great view of Howard yard, Metra in
background, Evanston Exp leaving in the distance, Skokie swift coming
in under Evanston trains.
- Loyola. (Red). Parking garage just outside of station. Can see clear
down 4 track mainline almost to Sheridan.
- Belmont. (Red, Brown, Purple) Pedestrian overpass over Howard/Dan
Ryan trains. Good view south to Fullerton. Good view north as
Ravenswood trains and Howard/Dan Ryan & Evanston Exp merge.
- Fullerton (Red, Brown, Purple).
- Chicago (Av) on the Ravenswood line. Station is curved.
- Ravenswood Terminal.
- Any grade crossing near the end of the Ravenswood Line.
I didn't get a chance to ride all the lines when I was there and I
didn't ride the Green Line at all. (Just ran out of time).
Dave's gonna be getting my pictures in about 2 weeks and expect them
to appear on this web site a short time after that.
--Mark
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at 13:10:24:
In Reply to: [6]Favorite Places to Photograph Trains or Buses posted
by Charles on August 25, 1997 at 12:42:09:
We just discussed this last week: Look back for these posts:
[7]Mark's Favourite Lines Re: NYC Subway - Mark S Feinman 14:40:43
08/22/1997
[8]Re: NYC Subway - David Pirmann 15:57:54 08/21/1997
[9]Re: Exploring and phtographing the NYCTA - David Pirmann 22:48:01
08/19/1997
Dave
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Posted by Ed Sachs on August 25, 1997 at 13:17:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More Historical Questions posted by Gerry O'Regan
on August 23, 1997 at 19:41:06:
Yes, the SIRT cars were purchased with a connection to the BMT in
mind.
The NYCTA fully expected these cars to MU with the BMT standards
when they bought them. They didn't. They were operated in trains of
only the ex-SIRT cars, first on the Culver line, and later on the West
End local (Nassau St) line, until they were retired when the R-27s
arrived
in 1961.
I remember riding these old cars once or twice. While they were the
same
size and shape as the BMT standards, and shared the split center door
with the conductor's door controls in the middle, they had vestibule
end
doors and walkover seats which the standards didn't have. They also
gave a much poorer ride than the standards (much noisier, more
rattles).
Since they didn't have destination signs, they were equipped with
steel
plate destination signs from old el cars.
The ex-SIRT cars were not the only colorful equipment that the BMT ran
in the late '50s. They also ran ex-IRT low-Vs on the Franklin and
Culver
shuttle lines, and the ex-Fulton St el multi-section cars on the
Myrtle Ave-
Chambers (now M) line. All of this ended when the R-27s arrived.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 25, 1997 at 13:22:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by Gerry O'Regan on
August 25, 1997 at 12:04:47:
When Corona and Pelham Yards were first double-fenced/razor ribboned
back in 1981, I remember taking a tour as part of my job in the
General manager's office. On walking along the back (south) fence of
Corona, along the LIRR tracks, and then encountering the fence, there
was a German Shepherd run in between the two fences. 2 of the most
docile animals I've ever seen greeted us and monitored our progress.
Maybe they were trained to be fierce only if you ended up in between.
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SUBJECT>Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn Trolleys, etc.?
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at 13:27:29:
Hello,
Is anyone out there interested in TARS (Third Avenue Railway System,
which was mostly trolleys in the Bronx and Westchester) or Brooklyn
trolleys (Peter Witts, PCC's, etc). I have a whole load of slides of
these. I'll probably put a selective few up on the site but I was
thinking of making the whole bunch into a CDROM. The TARS slides are
half B/W, half color. The Brooklyn trolley photos are mostly B/W. I
haven't done an inventory yet but I might have a photo of *every*
Brooklyn PCC. I also have Queensborough Bridge trolleys and some other
unusual things.
Or, would anyone be interested in a CDROM that is photos of (for
instance) IRT Low-V's, or BMT cars (B types, D types, Q types, C
types, gate cars, etc)? These would mostly be photos that are not on
any web site.
Or a collection of stuff that is already on the web site in a handy
single location (no more lengthy downloading of our photos).
If you were interested what would you pay for a CDROM like that? $25
each? I expect they would simply be photos with numbers for names and
an index of date and location (when known-- many of the slides are
undated and unlabeled). It would be burned by me and probably
duplicated at a CD cutter shop, with (hopefully nice) color covers.
The photos would be of equivalent quality as the recent slide scans
that I've put up.
This would be in order to help finance running the web site - Internet
connection, new hardware (which will be needed soon), and aquisition
of slides to put up...
Please comment.
--Dave
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 25, 1997 at 13:35:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Chicago's Green Line posted by Mark S Feinman on
August 25, 1997 at 13:07:49:
A smorgasbord of CTA equipment can be seen at the heavy maintenance
yard on Oakton in Skokie. There is construction on the street now, so
I couldn't really slow down to take a look, but there seemed to be one
each of various old car models. I passed by there yesterday.
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Posted by Nick on August 25, 1997 at 13:58:06:
Speaking of open houses, I was wondering if the MTA gives tours of the
abandoned subway stations?
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at 14:39:40:
In Reply to: [6]Speaking of open houses... posted by Nick on August
25, 1997 at 13:58:06:
All the time. The Transit Museum runs tours all year long. They are
open to the public but members have a 2-week period each season to
sign up before public sign-up. Tours mostly fill up during this time.
They have one tour called Day One on the IRT which will usually visit
91st St, 18th St, Brooklyn Bridge, and City Hall.
They have a tour called Routes Not Built, which will visit places like
lower City Hall BMT, Roosevelt Ave., etc.
Call them for details (718-243-3060). If you're a subway fan in NYC
and you're not a member of the Transit Museum you're doing yourself a
disservice.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 25, 1997 at 15:11:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by Gerry O'Regan on
August 25, 1997 at 12:04:47:
The razor ribbon is not a deturrent for the most committed vandals.
They have only to throw an old tire or mattress over the razor wire to
cross it. Since the police and courts treat graffiti as an annoyance
more than a crime, I'd like to have the Cleaner, who have to scrub the
paint by hand in the hot sun and freezing cold, dispense some
trackside justice to the miscreants. (of course, that would be
illegal)
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Posted by aaron on August 25, 1997 at 17:14:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Chicago's Green Line posted by Charles Fiori on
August 25, 1997 at 13:35:45:
I drove by there at the end of June. It appears they are rebuilding
the
shops. I saw a few old cars that were built by the St. Louis Car
company
in the '50s. The one car from the 6000 series in the green and white
paint scheme used to be parked along the wall of the old structure.
When
I was a kid (in the late 60s, early 70s), I used to ride my bicycle to
the back doors and watch the workmen fix the trains...Throughout the
years,
all of the scrapping of old equipment was handled there. You can ride
by
on the yellow line to get a view from the other side...
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Posted by Zack on August 25, 1997 at 21:02:27:
In Reply to: [6]Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn
Trolleys, etc.? posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at
13:27:29:
i think that would be a good idea- if you come out with it i will put
it on my christmas list :)
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on August 25, 1997 at 21:17:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by
Peter Rosa on August 25, 1997 at 09:26:27:
not to sound lake a smart ass or anything. there probally there in
case the tunnel lights go off so the trains dont ram in to one another
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Posted by Zack on August 25, 1997 at 21:22:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by David Pirmann
on August 25, 1997 at 14:39:40:
do they use old historical cars on thoes???
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POSTER>David L.
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Posted by David L. on August 25, 1997 at 22:57:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by David Pirmann
on August 25, 1997 at 14:39:40:
Why isn't a visit to the Worth Street Station included in the Day One
on the IRT tour?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at 23:10:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by Zack on
August 25, 1997 at 21:22:55:
The Abandoned Station tours are generally run as follows: group meets
at some station. Waits for in service train to arrive. Group gets on
and TA museum staff member instructs the motorman to stop at the
station in question (91st St. for instance). I assume there's a
General Order or some notice put out in advance of this :) A single
door is keyed open to let the group out. Then, when the group is ready
to leave, the TA staffer flags down an approaching train...
The Nostalgia Trains (there was one yesterday in fact) use old cars,
mostly the BMT D-Types. There's an IRT Low-V trip coming up, run by
the Railway Preservation Corp., call 718-346-9000 for info. It costs
$40. The date is 9/14/97 (Sunday).
And as for Worth Street, maybe they just don't think it's as
interesting as the others, and when you only have time for a few
stops...
--Dave
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on August 25, 1997 at 23:33:03:
In Reply to: [6]Newark PCC page posted by Joe M on August 16, 1997 at
00:40:23:
I agree. Well done.
(BTW, I still think NJT is crazy to dump them. Is it just to match up
with other light rail projects planned for the area?)
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 26, 1997 at 11:42:34:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by David Pirmann
on August 25, 1997 at 23:10:09:
I believe I remember that Worth St was not lenghtened in the early
sixties, and so would be only four cars in length. Stopping the front
car of a full length train at Worth St might result in blocking a
switch to the South, or some other situation considered to be an
unacceptable compromise to safety.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 26, 1997 at 12:26:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by David Pirmann
on August 25, 1997 at 23:10:09:
.... and it's always interesting to see the looks on
people's faces when they see 80 or so people get on the
train at 91st or 18th Streets. We simply explain to
them that we've been waiting for a train since 1946 and
this was the first in-service train to make the stop
:-)
--Mark
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POSTER>Dave
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Posted by Dave on August 26, 1997 at 12:28:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by
Zack on August 25, 1997 at 21:17:07:
>
What do you think the signal system is for? Tunnel lights have nothing
to do with trains not running into each other!
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 26, 1997 at 12:33:08:
In Reply to: [6]Favorite Places to Photograph Trains or Buses posted
by Charles on August 25, 1997 at 12:42:09:
Just a word on Jamaica Station - this was the ONLY
place that I was actually asked to leave when trying to
take pictures. I have never had a problem anywhere
else. I was not tresspassing onto any areas of track
or closed platform - I was at the end of a platform
that was clearly in regular passenger service.
--Mark
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 26, 1997 at 12:45:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Another system grows again posted by Zack on
August 24, 1997 at 02:18:25:
The MTA has ordered 18 additional cars from ADTRANZ, to match the
original 35. The order has been delayed (seriously) and the other two
extensions (Penn Station and BWI Airport) will not open until the 18
cars have arrived and been accepted. I understand that one car was
received and was promptly returned to Elmira. Late/troublesome
deliveries seem to be the norm for ADTRANZ and there are rumors that
the firm will be withdrawing from the transit market.
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Posted by BJ on August 26, 1997 at 14:46:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!!
posted by Bryan Layne on August 24, 1997 at 23:27:08:
What details did I get wrong. I stated what the paper said. The end of
the
line would be at the mall, and the towns haven't decided yet, to do
the
study.
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Posted by BJ on August 26, 1997 at 14:46:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!!
posted by Bryan Layne on August 24, 1997 at 23:27:08:
What details did I get wrong. I stated what the paper said. The end of
the
line would be at the mall, and the towns haven't decided yet, to do
the
study.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 26, 1997 at 16:37:47:
In Reply to: [5]Blue Line Extension to WoodField Mall!!!!!!! posted by
BJ633@aol.com on August 20, 1997 at 22:46:55:
You said that the CTA had direct involvement in it...you said the "CTA
is considering...." when you know darn well that the CTA would never
say anything like that...basically through the whole article the CTA
had not made one statement...towards the end a spokeperson says some
optimistic quote about a study for the plan..which she knew the CTA
would never do anything like that.Could imagine if the CTA actually
said that they were thinking about building a line to Woddfield stupid
mall??They would be under evn more public scrutinty than they already
are.Ya,Blue Line to O'Hare and Woodfield Mall...ya right!!When pigs
fly!!If they ever did have enogh money to do it..they would never
build it any farther than Rosemont Horizon auditoreum...maybe to south
Shaumburg...but not for 10 or 15 years.If the burbs want to flip the
bill..sure why not??Pace Bus thats why!!I can guarentee that they will
never be in the Woodfield Mall area!Cant yoy just see a 8 car O'Hare
pullin up in the Woodfield Mall parking lot....thats what Pace is for.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on August 26, 1997 at 16:45:20:
What is the TA's beef with letting films be shot in the subway??When
ever they make a movie with a subway seen that supposed to be NYC,they
always shoot it in Toronto with TTC trains and fake route
indicators....whats the deal?????
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: Any Open Houses?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 26, 1997 at 16:56:40:
In Reply to: [5]Any Open Houses? posted by Charles on August 25, 1997
at 12:35:07:
At Concourse yards there are two bridges which pass over the yards,
one is Bedford Park Blvd between Jerome and Paul Aves. And a couple of
blocks north is 205th street also between Jerome and Paul Avenues. You
can also get pictures of Concourse yard from the northern end of the
southbound platform at Bedford Park Blvd. station on the #4 line.
At 207th Street you can stand on the University Heights (207th Street)
bridge, but it's probably about 1000 ft from the yard.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 26, 1997 at 18:29:10:
In Reply to: [5]"TA" movie beef!! posted by Bryan Layne on August 26,
1997 at 16:45:20:
I don't think the TA is the problem. Hollywood, despite alleged
multimillion budgets, is cheap. New York is expensive. End of story.
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POSTER>Bill
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Posted by Bill on August 26, 1997 at 19:10:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by
Peter Rosa on August 25, 1997 at 09:26:27:
Track workers wear safety vests that have a reflective strips on them
while working in the tunnels . The headlights refelect off the vest so
the train opterator can see them at a distance. Also the workers can
see the train coming at a safe distance so they can get out of the
way.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 26, 1997 at 19:37:44:
In Reply to: [5]Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn
Trolleys, etc.? posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at
13:27:29:
I think I would be interested, and I'll bet that many of the Streetcar
Museums would be too.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 26, 1997 at 23:06:16:
In Reply to: [6]"TA" movie beef!! posted by Bryan Layne on August 26,
1997 at 16:45:20:
Many movies with US settings are being filmed in Canada these days.
Filming costs are significantly lower there. So it's probably nothing
particular to the subway.
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POSTER>Joe M
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Posted by Joe M on August 26, 1997 at 23:22:44:
In Reply to: [5]Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn
Trolleys, etc.? posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at
13:27:29:
Your streetcar CD sounds like a good idea and I would be interested.
Speaking of funding this site, how do you fund it?? I have never seen
any information about support. I really enjoy your pages and so do
other people that I have told about it.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 26, 1997 at 23:53:38:
In Reply to: [6]"TA" movie beef!! posted by Bryan Layne on August 26,
1997 at 16:45:20:
There are many films which are shot on the NYCT system. The TA
reviewed it's policy regarding the review of scripts following an
alleged 'copycat' incident relating to a scene from the movie "Money
Train".
In the movie, a pyromaniac gets off torching Token Booths. Shortly
after the release of the movie, several miscreants torched a Queens
subway booth, killing the agent. Now, the TA will not permit a movie
to be filmed on the system if the content might lead to a copycat
crime.
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Posted by Steve on August 26, 1997 at 23:59:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Yet Another Obviuos Historical Question! posted by
Peter Rosa on August 25, 1997 at 09:26:27:
It may appear that the sealed beams are ineffective but I can assure
you that they are not. I have been in the cab with the headlight
circuit breaker off and even withthe tunnel lights, it's quite a bit
darker.
BTW - the most common sealed beam used on the NYCT is 65 Watts.
Compare that to the one on your automobile.
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 27, 1997 at 08:55:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn
Trolleys, etc.? posted by Joe M on August 26, 1997 at 23:22:44:
> Speaking of funding this site, how do you fund it??
From my pocket and donations of material from others. I won't get into
the details but the hardware (web server, scanners, machine to do
development on, etc.) and Internet service costs are self-funded.
--Dave
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 27, 1997 at 12:48:12:
In Reply to: [6]Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn
Trolleys, etc.? posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at
13:27:29:
Dave, when it comes to stuff like this I'm always interested!
--Mark
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on August 27, 1997 at 13:52:07:
In Reply to: [5]Plaque in the Secaucus swamp posted by Mitch on August
22, 1997 at 17:19:02:
This might be a plaque dedicated to the sandhogs who died in the
digging of the Hudson River tunnels,especially the Pennsylvania tubes.
This seems more likely than commemerating any single train wreck.
Remember, when they dug those tunnels (including the H&M tubes ), a
lot of men lost their lives: tunneling under water was not an exact
science in those days.
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on August 27, 1997 at 14:02:43:
When exactly is the 1st segment (Hoboken to Bayonne ) of the the new
"Waterfront Connection" light rail system.All you ever see about it is
their ridership goals (200,000 a day by 2010!), but nada about
projected openings. Just being curious as always....
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 27, 1997 at 15:17:43:
In Reply to: [6]NJT Light Rail posted by Lou from Middletown on August
27, 1997 at 14:02:43:
Not for a couple years I'd expect. They haven't begun construction at
all (save for a parking lot) along the Jersey City - Grand Street -
Waterfront - Hoboken stretch yet. There are still Jersey City NIMBYs
protesting the selected Sussex Street route. I believe they've started
construction along Rt 169 in Bayonne (last time I drove down there
they had "switched" the location of Rt 169 and the RR tracks. Used to
be road on the west, tracks on the east, now it's opposite. This was
the CRRNJ corridor to Bayonne, BTW.)
I'm curious as to where those 200,000 people are going to go. There
isn't a whole lot of Bayonne-JC-Hoboken traffic, I'm betting.
Considering the route selections in JC (Grand St.) and Hoboken (West
Side) it isn't going to hit major residential or commercial corridors
(as opposed to the initially proposed Jersey Avenue routing in JC and
East Side of Hoboken).
If they are expecting the HBLR to feed people into PATH (it will be
stopping at Exchange Pl., Pavonia/Newport and Hoboken PATH stations) I
don't know where they expect people to go. PATH lines (HOB-WTC,
NWK-WTC and JSQ-33rd) are already at crush rush hour capacity. I've
heard no plans from PATH to expand capacity...
AFAICT, the HBLR isn't going to solve any Hudson County transportation
problems given its poor route selection and PATH capacity issues...
they will need to address this stuff before getting 200,000 a day!
--Dave (JC resident who supported the Jersey Ave. routing)
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 27, 1997 at 17:32:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Any Open Houses? posted by David Pirmann on August
25, 1997 at 13:06:12:
David--I wonder if any of your parishioners who are often given to
nostalgia remember the open houses held at places like Coney Island,
36th Street, etc. back in 1979-80. I remember showing up at Coney
Island on a Saturday morning and there was a huge line out the gate
and around on Avenue X. Lots of great exhibits inside and later a ride
on a Triplex around the loop track. The 36th Street Open House was all
outdoors. Anyone care to fill in other details???
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Posted by David PIrmann on August 27, 1997 at 19:52:51:
Here's a new link... a multimedia trip down the A Train: Requires
Java.
[6]Subway Surface
--Dave
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Posted by subway-buff on August 27, 1997 at 19:57:08:
On 8/25/1997 The WCBS Radio (880 AM) program Internet Minute featured
Mr. Pirmann's Site in a very glowing manner.
The address is : www.internetminute.com
For subway haters (as is evident from his news reading) the review is
very highly positive and favorable.
(Dave- I gave you first chance to do this ! :-)
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 27, 1997 at 20:27:35:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR in need of a Dress Code for conductors posted
by John on August 25, 1997 at 03:19:31:
I'm glad to see that someone out there noticed what the conductors
where wearing. I do want to make the point that not all conductors on
the LIRR dress so sloppy. I guess I expect too much from the
conductors these days. I just feel that they should have some respect
for their job, that's all.
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Posted by Ted on August 27, 1997 at 23:12:06:
In Reply to: [6]NJT Light Rail posted by Lou from Middletown on August
27, 1997 at 14:02:43:
Lou ,
The first segment of the LRT ( E 34 St. , Bayonne - Hoboken Terminal &
Route 440 branch to West Side Av. ) is scheduled to open in the Fall
of 1999.
Ted
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Posted by Andrew Huie on August 28, 1997 at 01:42:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Any Open Houses? posted by David Pirmann on August
25, 1997 at 13:06:12:
Actually, I was sorely tempted to go onto the Bronx River Parkway to
view the southern stub of the Dyre Avenue line, but my nerve gave out
8-S.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on August 28, 1997 at 02:33:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Any Open Houses? posted by Charles Fiori on August
27, 1997 at 17:32:27:
OH, YES! The Coney Island one occured in November 1979 to celebrate
the Diamond Jubilee. I also waited on that line, right on McDonald
Avenue, but the line moved fairly quickly. Upon entering they gave us
a couple of stapled, photocopied booklets giving statistical info
about the subway and a list of all the 'R' contracts and car numbers
that went with them (information, that, at that time, I was willing to
KILL for!), as well as some paraphernalia like pens and stuff (I might
still have the pen 8-)). After that, we went touring around the shops
seeing how everything worked, etc. If you've been to the Croton-Harmon
open house, it was similar, but we didn't climb into the cars, and it
was really more like a constant stream of people, as opposed to
groups. The tour trains (there were two) were not Triplexes, but were
Low V's and the BRT gate cars. What they did was, they would nudge the
train one or two car lengths into the shop (so as not to expose the
public to the wonders of the third rail 8-)), and people would climb
wooden steps into the innermost car. The train would then pull out of
the shop and visit all the fun places. We got to see cars that had
been involved in wrecks including a pair of R38's and R40's. I was
surprised that the wrecks were in such good condition aside from the
crash damage. They still had the original paint schemes (the operating
R38's and R40's lost the blue stripes by then) and otherwise looked
fairly clean and intact. We also saw the clearance car (the R1 that
was extended to 75 feet) and the AB standards that made the Nostalgia
train (which had stopped running by then). I don't remember all the
exhibits, but one that caught my eye was a photo exhibit of the
previous open house at Coney Island, 15 years before that, titled, I
think, "Were you there?".
As for the 36th Street one, my details are a little hazier because I
really wasn't as interested in the maintenance-of-way department
(sorry guys!). I do remember a union protest outside the entrance,
complaining about how the MTA wasted money on things like "open
houses" 8-). Inside were the usual displays, but somehow there was a
little less freedom, and the souvenirs were standard stuff (mostly
bumper stickers). They demonstrated things like rail welding, train
controls and the like. There was at least one tour train (BRT gate
cars) that actually left the yard and went on the West End line for a
distance. There might have been a second train, but I don't remember.
At the end of the tour, I remember we were shuttled back to the train
station in a GM fishbowl bus.
Well, enough of my yakking. Does anyone else remember any other
details, or anything about the 207th Street open house that occurred
just before Coney Island?
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Posted by Andrew Huie on August 28, 1997 at 02:35:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Any Open Houses? posted by Charles Fiori on August
27, 1997 at 17:32:27:
OH, YES! The Coney Island one occured in November 1979 to celebrate
the Diamond Jubilee. I also waited on that line, right on McDonald
Avenue, but the line moved fairly quickly. Upon entering they gave us
a couple of stapled, photocopied booklets giving statistical info
about the subway and a list of all the 'R' contracts and car numbers
that went with them (information, that, at that time, I was willing to
KILL for!), as well as some paraphernalia like pens and stuff (I might
still have the pen 8-)). After that, we went touring around the shops
seeing how everything worked, etc. If you've been to the Croton-Harmon
open house, it was similar, but we didn't climb into the cars, and it
was really more like a constant stream of people, as opposed to
groups. The tour trains (there were two) were not Triplexes, but were
Low V's and the BRT gate cars. What they did was, they would nudge the
train one or two car lengths into the shop (so as not to expose the
public to the wonders of the third rail 8-)), and people would climb
wooden steps into the innermost car. The train would then pull out of
the shop and visit all the fun places. We got to see cars that had
been involved in wrecks including a pair of R38's and R40's. I was
surprised that the wrecks were in such good condition aside from the
crash damage. They still had the original paint schemes (the operating
R38's and R40's lost the blue stripes by then) and otherwise looked
fairly clean and intact. We also saw the clearance car (the R1 that
was extended to 75 feet) and the AB standards that made the Nostalgia
train (which had stopped running by then). I don't remember all the
exhibits, but one that caught my eye was a photo exhibit of the
previous open house at Coney Island, 15 years before that, titled, I
think, "Were you there?".
As for the 36th Street one, my details are a little hazier because I
really wasn't as interested in the maintenance-of-way department
(sorry guys!). I do remember a union protest outside the entrance,
complaining about how the MTA wasted money on things like "open
houses" 8-). Inside were the usual displays, but somehow there was a
little less freedom, and the souvenirs were standard stuff (mostly
bumper stickers). They demonstrated things like rail welding, train
controls and the like. There was at least one tour train (BRT gate
cars) that actually left the yard and went on the West End line for a
distance. There might have been a second train, but I don't remember.
At the end of the tour, I remember we were shuttled back to the train
station in a GM fishbowl bus.
Well, enough of my yakking. Does anyone else remember any other
details, or anything about the 207th Street open house that occurred
just before Coney Island?
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on August 28, 1997 at 03:41:30:
In Reply to: [6]Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn
Trolleys, etc.? posted by David Pirmann on August 25, 1997 at
13:27:29:
Yesiree Bob!
Let's get Bill Russel's carfloat/freight photos into as well.
And anyone else willing to join up.
It would be so much better than having to scout through dozens of
train books to find a picture you remembered seeing...
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Posted by Timothy on August 28, 1997 at 04:22:07:
I can't understand why Philadelphia has such a small subway system
(not
including the subway-surface trolley lines), compared to several other
smaller cities. For example, Washington, DC's Metro, which opened only
21
years ago, and Boston. Both cities are much smaller than Philadelphia,
but
have much larger rapid transit systems. Philadelphia has only 2 main
subway lines: The Broad Street (Orange) Line, which runs north-south,
and
The Market-Frankford (Blue) Subway/Elevated Line, which runs east/
northeast-west. Unlike most other major cities, there are many
neighborhoods within Philadelphia that are not served by a subway or
elevated line, even though the Philadelphia area does have a large
commuter
rail system.
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POSTER>Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on August 28, 1997 at 11:05:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NJT Light Rail posted by David Pirmann on August
27, 1997 at 15:17:43:
I agree PATH will be hard-pressed to handle the increased numbers. But
I would opine, as a former Bayonne resident, that there will be plenty
of commuters grateful to leave behind the crappy bus service and get
on a light rail. For me, the worst part of the trip was the bus ride
from my home at 52nd & B'way up Ocean Ave. and through "picturesque"
Jersey City.
How this will affect the peninsular quality of life in Lower Hudson
County, we'll find out.
BTW, thanks for the route clarification. NIMBYs again! I wonder if the
Appian Way itself had to be routed around some of them.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 28, 1997 at 11:39:53:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR in need of a Dress Code for conductors posted
by Bill Ruiz on August 27, 1997 at 20:27:35:
This is sad to hear. As a youngster, I was always impressed by the
LIRR conductors uniforms; in fact even the Trainmen were well dressed.
I always wondered if the uniforms were at the employees expense, or if
they were subsidized in some way. If nothing else, I feel there is a
safety benefit from having an easily identified person in charge
during an emergency situation. Does anyone have an answer to my "who
payed for the uniform" question?
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Posted by Bingo on August 28, 1997 at 13:23:49:
While in Chicago for the past few days, I decided to purchase this
24-hour unlimited ride Visitor's pass that the CTA has out of their
way to advertise. To my demise, I did not find it at the hotel I was
staying at. They were to receive some Monday, halfway into my
vacation. I paid for a transitcard, and went out to several hotels,
all of which bullshitted me out the door. "Find it a currency
exchanges, Dominick's, this hotel that hotel" I finally found a hotel
selling them by sheer luck.
I hate the CTA for many reasons, but this incident takes the cake. The
CTA does not have good communication with the retailers of this card,
nor do they have good control over the way they dispense these fares.
I wasn't able to buy the card at ANY of the TRANSIT COLLECTOR BOOTHS
in the stations, which made things even more inconvenient and
frustrating as a traveller in the city.
The card should be made available to all members of the public and be
sold by the automatic vending machines located in all of the stations.
Furthermore, it should be also integrated as a weekend pass, with
families in Chicago being able to use it to get to museums, ballgames,
etc. This only for tourists deal is bullshit, and I think that the CTA
knows it, they just don't want to pay for retrofits for their brand
new transitcard machines.
I don't like the crappy new Budd cars either. The older ones are nice.
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Posted by Bingo on August 28, 1997 at 13:32:55:
In Reply to: [5]Chicago's Green Line posted by Timothy on August 23,
1997 at 02:50:13:
I would have to say that the most depressing part of the CTA are the
three westerly stations outside on the blue line; Damen, Western and
California. It's like riding through a slum, all the chopshops and
shacks alongside. The loop is very nice to ride through. It's what
makes the city unique.
Don't worry about uncouth people. The folks in Chicago are very nice.
You shouldn't run into any trouble at all.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on August 28, 1997 at 13:36:24:
In Reply to: [5]Warning: The CTA Visitor's pass posted by Bingo on
August 28, 1997 at 13:23:49:
Sounds like pretty crappy PR to me. San Francisco Muni used to have a
weekend pass which could only be purchased from a cable car conductor,
but this was well known, and my family and I made use of it on several
visits in the seventies. The BART tourist pass was another story. It
was a ripoff, since you could ride all day for 35 cents at that time
as long as you got off where you got on, which is what tourists tend
to do anyhow. The pass was perhaps $1.50, and expired after three
hours. Caveat Emptor, as usual!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on August 28, 1997 at 14:00:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Warning: The CTA Visitor's pass posted by Gary
Jacobi on August 28, 1997 at 13:36:24:
SF MUNI still has the passes. (well, as of July 1996). You could buy
them in 1, 3, and 7 day increments. The cable car conductors, ticket
booths at the ends of the cable car runs, and local vendors sold them.
They were good on cable cars, muni bus, muni metro, and the F line
streetcars. IIRC, a 7 day pass was $15.
--Dave
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 28, 1997 at 15:03:38:
In Reply to: [6]NYCsubway.org on the Radio posted by subway-buff on
August 27, 1997 at 19:57:08:
Cool! I wonder who nominated it for inclusion on Internet Minute?
Anyway, [7]here's the
script from the August 25th segment..
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 28, 1997 at 15:12:48:
In Reply to: [6]New Java Subway Tour posted by David PIrmann on August
27, 1997 at 19:52:51:
Hmmm ... so that's what the R-62 looks like running down the A-line. I
don't think I've ever seen that! ;-)
Tried it w/o sound. It's cute watching the train move along the map as
it
goes from one station to another.
The interior picture shown while the train is moving is clearly that
of an
R-62!
--Mark
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SUBJECT>Re: Any Open Houses?
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on August 28, 1997 at 15:28:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Any Open Houses? posted by Andrew Huie on August
28, 1997 at 02:35:59:
(sighhhhhhhh) :-)
Yes, I was at both open houses. I was near the front of the line for
the
Coney Island one with my pocket 110 camera. I think the open house
opened
at 10 or 11; I was on line by 8. I still have some of the pictures
(but I
think they'd come out horribly in a scan!). I remember taking many
rides
on the open gate and the Lo-V cars most of the way around the loop
track,
marvelling at the chance of being so close to the various types of
equipment at that time. Since there were no museum tours like there
are
now, this was, like, being in heaven for a day. I do remember
demonstrations of the cranes used to lift the cars for truck removal.
They were raising and lowering and moving an R-27, freshly painted in
the
silver & blue stripe MTA scheme. There were R-27s and R-30s and R-40s
and
R-42s on "stands" that you could get up close and personal with. Some
were freshly painted; others were freshly grafitti'ed.
As for the 36th st open house, I think we were taken up the West End
Express track to as far south as 62nd St where we turned back for a
return
trip to the yard. (Wish we woulda gone to the lower level of 9th Ave).
I
think the gate cars were used again. We were given a roster of MoW
equipment. I don't remember any demos during that open house but my
recollection of that is, as was Andrew's, hazy.
Then there was the time I was in high school in 1977 and my friend's
father (who worked at the Coney Island shops at the time) took the two
of
us in with him for the day while he worked. Boy was it great being
able
to help move trains in the yards getting trains ready for service and
servicing! I think I even wrote down how to charge up and operate a
train
after I got back home (I was so excited)!
--Mark
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Posted by Bingo on August 28, 1997 at 15:36:03:
In Reply to: [5]Philadelphia: Big City, Small Subway System posted by
Timothy on August 28, 1997 at 04:22:07:
Maybe it is not economically sound to have a large subway system.
Subways are expensive to maintain and run, ifnot build. A regional
rail system might be a better way to spend the governments money which
are in effect, your tax dollars. Try checking ridership levels on the
current lines to see if i'm right or not.
Toronto, which I believe is much smaller than Philly, has two main
lines as well, the Bloor-Danforth and the Yonge-University-Spadina. We
are building another line on Sheppard avenue which will be completed
in 2002.
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Posted by Bingo on August 28, 1997 at 16:52:59:
In Reply to: [5]"TA" movie beef!! posted by Bryan Layne on August 26,
1997 at 16:45:20:
No movie has ever been shot on the mainline TTC. The only place TTC
will allow film makers is the abandoned Bay-Yorkville station under
the Bay station currently in use, and three stations that were built
far under the Danforth line. They were long abandoned, and noone knows
much about them, (while you can catch a glimpse of the abandoned Bay
station anyday, just go westbound from Yonge station and look to your
left and down)
The latest use of the abandoned Bay station to my knowledge was an Oh
Henry! commercial that was shot down there. They used an H-1 train and
pulled it in there. The train pulls into a station twice in the
commercial but it's the same station, only a sexy girl gets on the
second time.
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Posted by JAY on August 28, 1997 at 18:12:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by Steve on August
25, 1997 at 15:11:23:
THE SUBWAY SYSTEM IN NEW YORK LOST ALL OF ITS LUSTER WHEN THEY STARTED
TO CRACK DOWN ON THE SUBWAY ART, NOW THE TRAINS LOOK PLAIN AND LIKE
ANY OTHER CITY, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN MINDED ENOUGH TO LIVE.
ENJOY EXPRESSIONS AND ORIGINALITY THAT NY SUBWAY SYSTEM HAS NOW LOST
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In Reply to: [5]Re: NJT Light Rail posted by David Pirmann on August
27, 1997 at 15:17:43:
Thanks for the info,folks! Personally the segment that I would
probably use the most is when enentually it is opened to the Vince
Lombardi service area,for the park-and-ride use.Again,thanks for all
the answers to all these questions!
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I was in Chicago last weekend. It was my first time on a subway in a
different city other than Toronto. A few comments/questions:
- Why are the trains so damn noisy and shaky. I found myself
constantly being slammed back and forth and when the train entered a
tunnel, I thought my eardrums were going to burst! I couldn't even
hear myself scream!! It was like someone turned on a 1600 watt
hairdryer to maximum power and blew it directly into my ear!!!
- Why do some trains not allow eating?
- What does a "green over red" signal mean?
- On the BLUE LINE, between CHICAGO and CLARK, is there an abandoned
station?
- There is a really long station, consisting of WASHINGTON, MONROE,
and JACKSON. It looks pretty damn wicked!
- The El is extremely old, but it's pretty cool and Chicago wouldn't
be the same without it.
- O'Hare station looks wicked with its glass block and high ceiling.
When was this station built?
- It's WAY to hard to get a visitor's pass in Chicago. Why not call it
a "day pass" like in Toronto and make it available to all?
- I found the trains really short in length and narrow compared to the
ones in Toronto. In fact, a two-car CTA train is about equal in length
to one TTC car!
- The CTA bus system in Chicago is good. I found the buses came very
frequently, the drivers were very helpful and friendly, the buses are
very clean despite the vandalism, and the digital fare boxes are a
nice touch.
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Posted by Zack on August 28, 1997 at 19:34:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by JAY on August 28,
1997 at 18:12:07:
Art??? Graffitti is not art it is vandalism i think art would be
proffreshnley(?) painted murals on some of the cars :) that would look
kinda cool :)
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Any interest in CDROMs of photos - TARS, Brooklyn
Trolleys, etc.? posted by Dan Lawrence on August 26, 1997 at 19:37:44:
count me in as interested
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Posted by Bobw on August 28, 1997 at 20:18:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Warning: The CTA Visitor's pass posted by David
Pirmann on August 28, 1997 at 14:00:39:
I had a similar situation on a visit to Boston in '93. MBTA had a
multi-day pass available which I tried to buy (the pass had a
scratch-off type of numbering and the number of days scratched off was
the value of the pass). I had to speak with three different operators
at Riverside terminal before I found one who knew what it was. Even
downtown, station cashiers would need to take it, inspect it closely,
ask me about it (they didn't know!), etc. Not a good system.
Here in Philadelphia SEPTA sells a Day Pass but it is not well
publicized and I had similar experiences the few times I purchased
one.
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Posted by Bobw on August 28, 1997 at 20:35:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philadelphia: Big City, Small Subway System posted
by Bingo on August 28, 1997 at 15:36:03:
Like New York, Philadelphia had a grand plan for city-wide rapid
transit, but the Depression got in the way. The widespread streetcar
system, that remained virtually intact until the mid-50's, handled the
demand well and various historical events, such as the Depression,
World War II, and the postwar auto boom got in the way. Even today,
you can get to most areas of the city (and it's fairly large,
geographically speaking) using one of the two subway lines and a
transfer to a surface line. So, that's one strike against any
continued rapid transit expansion.
The ex-Reading and Pennsy commuter rail systems tapped several of the
farther-out portions of the city early on also, thus many commuters
find it easier to use these (despite the fairly substantial extra
cost) than the transit routes. SEPTA tried to institute a feeder
system of sorts with its "Bus Rail" combination fares when it took
over the PTC system in '68 but it never really took off. There are
occasional rumblings that the regional rail network may become more
light-rail or mixed-metro in nature and this may result in a greater
use of the bus system as a feeder network. The arrival of John Leary,
creator of MetroLink, as SEPTA's new GM has only fueled this fire.
The subway system was slated to expand in the 60's when a new freeway
was to be built in Northeast Phila with a Broad St subway extension in
its median. The residents of the area equated it with crime and
defeated both the road and the rail. Various incarnations of the
so-called "Northeast Metro" have been proposed ever since, the more
extravagant usually combining the Broad St link with an extension of
the Market-Frankford el north of Bridge St (its current terminal) in a
joint line which meets at an exchange point in the vicinity of Cottman
Ave/Roosevelt Mall. Once again a Northeast rapid line is being studied
at the present time.
The biggest roadblock is financing. SEPTA is greatly ignored by the
Pennsylvania government, which generally views the southeastern part
of the state, particularly Phila, as a large hole in which the state's
$ is constantly being thrown, with no discernable results. While this
part of PA's contribution to the state's coffers (1/3 the PA
population, 1/2 the taxes sent to Harrisburg, less than 1/5 returned)
is often ignored, funding for things like transit just doesn't happen.
The net result is that subway expansion can't even be thought about.
Thankfully, the need is not that great. The two rapid lines carry over
100K daily riders and are doing the job well, despite the old
infrastructure and the aging Budd cars on the El.
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Posted by Bobw on August 28, 1997 at 20:50:26:
In Reply to: [6]"TA" movie beef!! posted by Bryan Layne on August 26,
1997 at 16:45:20:
Further down this list there are a couple of notes on the HBO Subway
Stories film. I saw it. It is shot entirely on the NY system. There
are several obvious fakes (mainly with station locations - a couple of
note are the so-called Broad St/Wall St station and a D train stopping
at an underground Bay Parkway. The equipment gets around and
assignments are a bit loose, but these are things any fan will pick
up. Interestingly, the real Broad St station is used in one vignette
near the end. It seems that parts of the film were made in the Nassau
St line, perhaps on weekends when it is closed below Chambers. The
film is a bit strange but worth watching for a fan's view. The "real"
Church Ave station, Times Sq shuttle platforms and a couple of other
notable locations were used, and it appears in one or two of the
stories that real people may have been present during filming (the
Church Ave piece sure looks that way!).
A question not related to the film, but one that's always been on my
mind - when the Nassau line closes south of Chambers on weekends, why
do "owl" trains (12 Mid-6 AM) continue to Broad St? I would imagine
that the reason for the closing of Fulton and Broad is savings (no
tower operators, no token clerks) and the closeness of other lines
nearby to serve what is probably relatively low patronage. Why would
this not be the case in the middle of the night? Anybody know?
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Posted by Bobw on August 28, 1997 at 20:56:54:
I was driving east on I-70 in eastern Illinois yesterday (8/27) when I
noticed a flatbed truck hauling NYCT 8397 westward. Any clues? Did the
truck driver get confused on his delivery (going west instead of
east)? A return to Roswell NM? Or does NYCT have a new terminus for
one of the Manhattan crosstown routes - at $1.50, a real bargain, but
bring a lunch!?
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Posted by Zack on August 28, 1997 at 21:12:55:
In Reply to: [6]NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Bobw on August 28, 1997
at 20:56:54:
was it an RTS if so it coulduve had some damage needing it to be
returned for repairs-- or is could be heading for a (ugh) scrap yard
:(
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Posted by Joe M on August 28, 1997 at 21:23:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Warning: The CTA Visitor's pass posted by Bobw on
August 28, 1997 at 20:18:20:
I have used the visitors day pass in Boston. Most operators had to
look it over but let you ride. The Muni 3 day passes were a good deal
I think the day pass was less than two cable car rides (Cable car ride
is more expensive than the subway, F-line or buses too) Toronto's day
pass is easy as is the Memphis trolley pass but I think that is only
good on the streetcar. The METRA weekend pass is a good deal for
getting into the City on the trains in Chicago. I think it's $5.50 or
something like that bor Sat and Sunday and up to two kids can ride
free with an adult. I will have to try and get a visitors pass in
Chicago. I will call the RTA tommorow and ask about it.
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Posted by Steve on August 28, 1997 at 23:37:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by JAY on August 28,
1997 at 18:12:07:
Will you please get a real life! The overwhelming majority of NYC
residents would find your position outrageous if not just plain
stupid. Graffiti sends a message of indifference and neglect. It
causes the NYCT customers to feel just a little less safe. These are
not the messages that the NYCT wishes to convey to it's customers. If
you think the NYCT cars look boring, look at your personal auto. It
would probably look boring to me. Why not let the graffiti artists
paint your car and then you can pay to have the damage
undone instead of the NYC taxpayers.
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Posted by Fernando Perez on August 28, 1997 at 23:50:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR in need of a Dress Code for conductors posted
by Gary Jacobi on August 28, 1997 at 11:39:53:
Although I do not work for the LIRR, NYC Transit pays for our
uniforms. Recently there has been serious shortages however,
especially in the Department of Buses. It has been so bad Bus
Operators have been buying there own pants. As long as they are blue
its fine. Starting this month a new contractor has been given a
contract to dress us up. Starting with bus operators then RTO
division, and then stations.
When I look at old pictures of trolley motormen and conductors you see
that they were also slovenly looking at times. Myself, when I start
work I look very neat and clean, but by the end of the shift my shirt
is out at the tail and is dirty and my pants will be hanging down. Its
all part of the day I guess.
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Posted by subway-buff on August 29, 1997 at 02:19:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "TA" movie beef!! posted by Steve on August 26,
1997 at 23:53:38:
I saw several movies being filmed in the subways such as the Harrison
Ford movie *didn't see him) at the Times Square Shuttle, one at the
middle platform at Chambers st (J platforms)..
As a future (if I am offered a position) Station Agent (Token Booth
Clerk) I have taken an interested in the booth torching.
1- The station was Clinton/Washington on the IND Fulton Street (A/C)
Line.
The clerk was a smoker and disabled his fire suppressions system..
According to the book Uptown, Downtown (Author Unknown) The TA asked
for anti-hijack insurance for Pelham 1-2-3 the movie. Steve, is there
an actual Pelham 123 (I asked and they refused to say).
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Posted by Charles Fiori on August 29, 1997 at 08:23:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Any Open Houses? posted by Mark S Feinman on
August 28, 1997 at 15:28:20:
Most excellent. The reaction from you two guys was exactly what I
sought. I have a memento from the Coney Island event, which is a gold
subway wheel, mounted on a diamond-shaped (get it?) wooden plaque. I
believe I still have pictures of the event, like the R27/30 being
lifted up, R46 on horses, etc. My job at the TA in the early 80s
allowed me to visit many of the repair facilities and even to work at
one (240th St-what a pit when I got there!). My favorites were
undoubtedly Coney Island (one of my best friends ended up running the
place), Corona/Flushing (my formative years were spent riding the Q15
& #7, & going to Shea), & East New York Bus (there was a treasure
trove of bus memorabilia lying around that they would rather throw
out.)
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Posted by Dave on August 29, 1997 at 10:35:46:
In Reply to: [6]Warning: The CTA Visitor's pass posted by Bingo on
August 28, 1997 at 13:23:49:
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Bingo,
Sorry to hear about your "demise." Where will the funeral arrangements
be held? .
St. Louis, MO has a simple day pass sold through the tocket vending
machines. Good for the day they are sold, it offers unlimited transit
in both directions along the system.
Another think that's neat about St. Louis' Metrorail is that between
the hours of 10:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m., there is free travel between
the stations in the Central Business District.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 29, 1997 at 12:21:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Zack on August 28,
1997 at 21:12:55:
I know what you mean. In 1983, I was going to college at Frostburg
State University which is located in the mountains of extreme Western
Maryland, when, much to my surprise, as I pulled into a Pizza Hut
parking lot off of what is now I-68, I saw a Washington Metro car on a
flatbed. I found the driver and I asked him what was going on, he said
he was on his way to DC and that this was a brand new car (Rohr) that
was on its way from Pittsburgh where the breaking assembly's were
installed. People from all around school who knew my love of subways
were asking me if I saw it--I'm glad I could say I did. I came across
the same situation about 6 mos. later when I found a ne Metro car on a
flatbed along the shoulder of I-70 near Frederick, MD just outside a
truck stop. I stopped, found and asked the driver what was going
on.....same story. Just to let you know, Frostburg is about 2 1/2 hrs.
west of DC & Frederick is about 20 mins north of the current Shady
Grove station on the Red Line.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on August 29, 1997 at 13:47:34:
In Reply to: [5]NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Bobw on August 28, 1997
at 20:56:54:
NYCTA #8397 is a 1990 TMC RTS-06 model. I believe that #8397 was the
methanol powered bus at NYCTA. I think it was the only one powered by
methanol in the TA fleet.
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Posted by Bj from Chicago on August 29, 1997 at 16:45:31:
In Reply to: [6]Noise on the CTA! posted by B Wolk on August 28, 1997
at 19:16:46:
Hey, all the CTA Trains run two car routes on the week-ends and are
very
shaky. I think it is cool to look at the other car in front of you and
see
how much it is shaking. It is kinda annoying.
One the weekdays 8 and 6 car trains operate and the ride isn't nearly
so rumbly.
Some of the trains expecially on the Blue Line are very old. I usually
experience on train passing by on the week-end that is very noisy.
The noise isn't that noticable on the inside. I never experienced
noise like
you said, and I ride regularly. Acually I shouldn't lie, I did
experience it
once when it was raining and we were Elevated.
There is no eating, drinking, or littering allowed on the CTA. IF you
rode
the train all the way to Ohare from downtown, you should have heard
the rules
On every train run several times, they announce the rules and the
train run
number.
The Grand Station on the Blue Line is the only one abbandoned on the
way to
Ohare. ( Between Clark/Lake and Chicago)
The Ohare station was just built a few years ago. It was desinged by
an
architect, but I forget his name. I think it was built in the late
eighties, but could be wrong.
The three stations under Dearborn are all connected, except for
stairways
and escalators that seperated them. It is pretty cool, one of my
favorite
things, becasue it really never gets dark outside the train on that
part,
even though you are in the subway.
my favorite part of the CTA is the El. I have lived here all my life
and
will continue to ride it despite some of the trains being old and some
very
loud. It is the best way to get around, especially during rush hour.
If
you ever visit again during weekday rush hours, ride the Evanston
Express
from the Loop. Big express portion between Belmont and Howard and you
are
Elevated.
Not all of the system is loud. Ride one of the new Orange Line trains
to
Midway Airport. Every train on that route is new. Some new ones are
also
on the Ravenswood Line.
The Red Line even on Sundays operates 4 car trains which usually
aren't
that loud. Only during the middle of the night do they switch to 2 car
trains.
And with Elevateds, lots of other cities have them. NYC has lots, just
not
in the downtown area. Ask these guys on the board and they will tell
you
all of them.
please respond if you got this and if it all makes sense or if some is
confusing!
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Posted by Todd Glickman on August 29, 1997 at 17:14:44:
In Reply to: [6]NYCsubway.org on the Radio posted by subway-buff on
August 27, 1997 at 19:57:08:
Gee! I wonder how that got on the radio :-)
Todd Glickman
Meteorologist
WCBS Newsradio-88
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POSTER>Bill Ruiz
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Posted by Bill Ruiz on August 29, 1997 at 19:31:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR in need of a Dress Code for conductors posted
by Gary Jacobi on August 28, 1997 at 11:39:53:
I am glad to see that someone noticed the difference between the
present vs. the past. As I said before, not all of the conductors are
that way. I hope that the president of the LIRR does not approve of
this lack of proper attire. I also wonder the unions have to say about
this issue. As a daily rider I find that a good dress code would make
the ride home a little better than to see them dressed so sloppy. They
make reasonably good salaries, so I don't see a problem there. I also
see young recruits every now and then, so there is still a desire to
join the proud ranks that have come before them.
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POSTER>Bryan LLLLLLLLAYNe
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Posted by Bryan LLLLLLLLAYNe on August 30, 1997 at 11:52:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Noise on the CTA! posted by Bj from Chicago on
August 29, 1997 at 16:45:31:
I think a German architect by the name of Helmut Jahn designed the
O'Hare Station.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on August 30, 1997 at 21:30:14:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Another system grows again posted by Dan Lawrence
on August 26, 1997 at 12:45:13:
Latest news: One car of the 18 has been delivered and is being
acceptance tested. The MTA has issued a new schedule for the CLRL
showing Monday, September 8 as the effective date for the Hunt Valley
extension.
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Posted by Michael Adler via SEARS WebTV demo ;-) on August 30, 1997
Does anyone know the status on Staten Island Railway's North Shore
line?
Thanks,
Michael Adler
Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
P.S. I'm sending this message from WebTV demo at SEARS while my wife
shops
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POSTER>Martin Lamarre
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Posted by Martin Lamarre on August 30, 1997 at 22:46:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by David Pirmann
on August 25, 1997 at 14:39:40:
I'm a Montrealer .I'm very interested in disused subway stations as
well as tenements around the boroughs of NYC.
Where can I get some of your pictures or writings on this subject and
where should I be looking if I were to get down to NYC. Also how
dangerous is it to just walk into these buildings (subways,
tenements).
Where can we get a glimps of the old mid-70's subway cars that were
full of graffiti.Are they still around?
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Posted by Marty Lamarre on August 30, 1997 at 23:09:05:
How dangerous is it entering disused tenements or subway stations in
NYC
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Posted by Peter Rosa on August 30, 1997 at 23:31:18:
In Reply to: [6]disused tenements posted by Marty Lamarre on August
30, 1997 at 23:09:05:
>How dangerous is it entering disused tenements or subway stations in
>NYC?
Extremely
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 31, 1997 at 06:34:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: A subway car on the interstate (was NYCT Bus in
Illinois) posted by Mark Greenwald on August 29, 1997 at 12:21:48:
This reminds me of seeing a subway car from the Washington, DC subway
on a flatbed truck near the PATH station in Harrison, NJ. I forgot
about that until I read this. What was the story with that? Was PATH
examining that car for ideas about a future car order?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 31, 1997 at 07:05:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: "TA" movie beef!! posted by subway-buff on August
29, 1997 at 02:19:58:
Pelham One-Two-Three was the #6 train. The train received that
designation because it left the Pelham Bay Park station at 1:23 PM
(1-2-3). I checked the timetable for the 6 line and there is no train
scheduled to leave Pelham Bay Park at 1:23 PM. Monday-Friday, there is
one at 1:22, and weekends, there is one at 1:24, but not 1:23.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on August 31, 1997 at 07:09:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by Mark S
Feinman on August 26, 1997 at 12:26:52:
Oh yeah, I'm sure they'll buy that :-)
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Posted by John on August 31, 1997 at 07:24:18:
Can a train operator be suspended for missing a station? Yesterday, I
was on a Metro-North train coming back from Bridgeport, and the
motorman accidentaly missed the platform at the Darien station (not
surprising, since he was also going so damn fast - I have a feeling
the station was much closer than he thought and realized too late that
he had to start brakeing). He had to back the train up to meet the
platform again. I'm sure this will count against the train operator,
but what exactly will happen?
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Posted by Matt Kobin on August 31, 1997 at 11:15:30:
Does anyone know of sources for origianl NYC Subway items that are for
sale (from actual stations)? Please send me an e-mail. Thanks.
kobin@pacbell.net
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 31, 1997 at 13:12:31:
In Reply to: [6]Washington Subway Car in Harrison (was NYCT bus in
Illinois) posted by John on August 31, 1997 at 06:34:52:
I couldn't even begin to tell you how a DC Metro car ended up in
NJ--by the way, what exit--LOL--(sorry). I do know that initially, all
the Breda cars came in either throught the Port of Baltimore or New
Orleans, (surprise me). They virtually came unassembled from Italy,
than were virtually assembled in Indiana. Certain things, like the
previously mentioned braking systems installed in Pittsburgh, were
installed in other locals. Maybe one of them was in NJ-----Maybe today
I'll learn something new.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 31, 1997 at 13:20:41:
In Reply to: [6]Too fast - No stop posted by John on August 31, 1997
at 07:24:18:
Maybe, possibly, an operator with not enough experience on that
particular route? I do know that that was ONE of the contributing
factors to the infamouse Malbone street wreck. Obviously, other
factors contributed (like the strike) to it, but, I do remember
reading about how the motorman overshot station platforms on the
present day Franklin shuttle.
In a related note, on other systems, like the DC Metro, stations are
often skipped when a train is either late, overloaded, or in often
times, trying to clear out the downtown area after a major event (Like
the 4th of July, Inaugural festivities, Redskins games-yeah!!, etc)
The stations that are skipped are usually the less used ones in order
to get patrons to the transfer stations such as Metro Center or
L'enfent Plaza.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on August 31, 1997 at 14:09:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Mark Greenwald on
August 31, 1997 at 13:20:41:
Hmmm....I guess he COULD get into a bit of trouble - but are you sure
it was a stop on that train (stupid question, I know) also - I know
SEPTIC trains sfometimes do that on the weekend (geez - this font
sucks...)
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on August 31, 1997 at 14:36:05:
In Reply to: [5]Subway items for sale posted by Matt Kobin on August
31, 1997 at 11:15:30:
Staions??? Who cares about that???
What I want (besides a LOT of those hanger straps in the 7 line
cars(ceilling decor for a long narrow hall :) ) is an old drum
controller from either an old r - 30 something or an M-1 (Pipe dream).
Imagine wireing one up to run a model train set..... :)
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 31, 1997 at 14:59:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Philip Nasadowski
on August 31, 1997 at 14:36:05:
Or possibly decorate the hallway to look as though you're walking down
the center of a car----use graphic photos to depict the seats on side
with the windows on the walls--with possibly a scene in the window
frame depicting what you'd see from a car on an actual run------could
be mind-boggling.
Or, make the hallway appear as a station (without the smells of
course)---You could be creative & get yourself in the
press......hmmmm....
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Posted by Fitz on August 31, 1997 at 15:03:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Washington Subway Car in Harrison (was NYCT bus in
Illinois) posted by Mark Greenwald on August 31, 1997 at 13:12:31:
The Breda contract included rehab of some of the original cars.
This work was done in a portion of the old factories that are located
near the PATH Harrison station. Cars were moved to and from this
location by flatbed truck. Site appears to be inactive at present.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on August 31, 1997 at 15:19:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Washington Subway Car in Harrison (was NYCT bus in
Illinois) posted by Fitz on August 31, 1997 at 15:03:15:
Thanks Fitz-----you're talking about the Rohr cars right, because, the
original cars in the Metro system weren't Breda---they didn't show up
until the debut of the Yellow Line in 1981.
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on August 31, 1997 at 17:49:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by Zack on August 28,
1997 at 21:12:55:
nyct contracts with midwest bus in chicago i believe. it was probably
heading there.they are rebuilding old buses and renumbering them 7500
series.
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Posted by Bobw on August 31, 1997 at 18:25:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Bus in Illinois posted by trolleybus on
August 31, 1997 at 17:49:55:
I don't think the bus was going to Chicago. I saw it on I-70 in
eastern Illinois. It was closer to St Louis than to Chicago and was
way out of its way if it were going to Chicago. Then again, anything
is possible... As a fairly new RTS, though, it would seem improbable
that it would be on its way to be rebuilt. There was no visible damage
that would warrant a rebuilding.
In a similar vein, an outfit called ABC has had numerous low-numbered
NYCT RTS's in its yard (on US 30, Admiral Wilson Blvd, just west of
the old Airport Circle in Pennsauken) since last spring. I think it's
a dealer of used buses, given the other buses I've seen in this yard
from time to time. Anyone know for sure?
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Posted by ~airplane on August 31, 1997 at 19:39:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Philip Nasadowski on
August 31, 1997 at 14:09:29:
I was once on a Hudson Line train when the motorman missed the
platform at the Cortlandt station and had to back up. I'm not sure,
but I think there were children near the motorman distracting him.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on August 31, 1997 at 20:42:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Speaking of open houses... posted by Martin
Lamarre on August 30, 1997 at 22:46:16:
Abandoned tenements are almost certainly dangerous. The condition of
the floors and ceilings are highly questionable , and there will
probably be a lot of sharp rubbish around (used needles, glass shards
and the like). Not to mention possibly dangerous miscreants and
squatters who might be in or around the building. As for the subways,
there might be less rubbish but abandoned elevated stations especially
might be really decrepit. And getting there without the assistance of
transit personnel is extremely dangerous and/or illegal.
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Posted by John Mara on September 01, 1997 at 12:10:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by ~airplane on August
31, 1997 at 19:39:34:
I was on an F train a couple of years ago which overshot Ditmas Ave
station. We didn't back up. We just skipped the stop. The conductor
could have opened the back half of the train which was in the station,
but he didn't. I don't know what the rules are. Skipping the stop
would seem to be the safest way to go.
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Posted by Keranu on September 01, 1997 at 16:42:41:
Haven't been here for AGES. School exams in the way, happy now, did
OK.
Whats happening in New York and with love-of-my-life NYC subway, my
aunt
is begging me to visit again, I hope I can see, I feel so out of
touch.
This page is still cool as ever, I can see. Bring back the J/Z
Express!!
(If they haven't already.)
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 01, 1997 at 17:00:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by John Mara on
September 01, 1997 at 12:10:55:
Actually, backing up isn't supposed to happen (i think)
back in the 70's (?) there was a real bad accident in chicago where an
IC commuter train overshot, backedup, and train behind it rearended
the train...
Apparently, when the train overshot, it the close following second
train (express???) got some sort of proceed indication (instead of the
red it should have gotten), meanwhile thr first train was reversing,
and you can figure out the rest...
Of course, LOTS of stuff goes on on trains that shouldn't. I remember
reading a story that when the LIRR m-1s first came online, sometimes
the first catr's controller would fail, meaning the engineer would
have to go to a rear car and operat the train from there (with a
conductor in the fiirst car buzzing him the signals / etc). Apperently
the BLE didn't like this and it became an issue with the MTA.
I'll see if I can dig up the NYT stories on these two once the library
here opens..
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Posted by subway-buff on September 01, 1997 at 19:19:55:
Effective 08/30/1997 the MTA is making the following changes due to
track work due to the 63 st connection:
F-to 179 at all times. Runs local in Queens 9pm-5:30AM.
E- Local in Queens 9pm-5:30AM.
G-Ends at Court Square (no more 179 G service. It will run to
71-Continental during Rush hours,. mid-day and until 9pm. All otherr
times including weekends it is Court Square.
Roosevelt Island and Queens Bridge- New 6 av S train making all 6av
local stops to Queensbridge.
SOURCE: MTA Poster in E,F,G stations and A,E,F trains.
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Posted by Steve on September 01, 1997 at 20:19:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 01, 1997 at 17:00:23:
I, too was on a Hudson Line N/B train that overshot the Cold Spring
station...Motorman backed up the train...this was not a one shot
occurance. Happened about 2 other times.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on September 01, 1997 at 22:28:45:
In Reply to: [5]Change in Queens Blvd Evening/Owl Service posted by
subway-buff on September 01, 1997 at 19:19:55:
6th avenue S train?
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Posted by Nick on September 01, 1997 at 22:35:38:
I was wondering if any pics of the R110A are going to be added soon. I
noticed that you have the cover of the Greller book scanned on
here-maybe he'll let you scan more for a good price or for free...
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Posted by Nick on September 01, 1997 at 22:40:25:
I was wondering if The Forest Hills/71st St-Continental Avenue station
is due for renovation soon. It's not in as bad condition as some of
the other stations, but it gets heavy use (G and R begin/terminate
there, and E and F make an express stop there), and could use a
modernazation.
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Posted by David L. on September 01, 1997 at 23:29:06:
I never understood why trains travel across the Manhattan and
Williamsburg Bridges so slowly. Is it because of old signals? Or is it
because trains travelling at high speeds over these bridges can damage
the bridge? If so, what should be the maximum speed a train should
travel over a bridge? To my understanding- 20 mph is the speed limit
for trains which use these two bridges.
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Posted by John on September 02, 1997 at 00:36:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Change in Queens Blvd Evening/Owl Service posted
by Bryan Layne on September 01, 1997 at 22:28:45:
It won't be the first time. There was a temporary one back in 1987
when major trackwork on the Manhattan Bridge was underway, and again
in 1995 when the same thing took place.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 02, 1997 at 00:42:46:
In Reply to: [6]R110A PICS posted by Nick on September 01, 1997 at
22:35:38:
We do *not* have the cover of the Greller book ("New York City Subway
Cars"). Which picture did you think was the same as the one on his
book?
We have some photos that have appeared in his book and elsewhere but
they have been acquired from other sources - slide collectors and the
like.
I don't have a source for any R110A pictures. In fact I've never even
seen it in service. If anyone has some pictures to contribute, contact
me.
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Posted by Steve Lowemthal on September 02, 1997 at 00:54:15:
I am working on a web page reference guide
Please assist me and read this page
http://www.angelfire.com/BusRouteComplex
Thank you
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POSTER>Steve Lowenthal
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Posted by Steve Lowenthal on September 02, 1997 at 00:56:28:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Bus Routes posted by Steve Lowemthal on September
02, 1997 at 00:54:15:
correction to page'
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BusRouteComplex
thanks
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Posted by Steve Lowenthal on September 02, 1997 at 00:56:48:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Bus Routes posted by Steve Lowemthal on September
02, 1997 at 00:54:15:
correction to page'
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/BusRouteComplex
thanks
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Posted by Zack on September 02, 1997 at 01:33:39:
In Reply to: [6]Trains on Bridges posted by David L. on September 01,
1997 at 23:29:06:
i think there Slowey Rebuilding the bridges??
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Posted by RAC93 on September 02, 1997 at 04:57:15:
As I have seen by looking through this awesome web page, The manhatten
Bridge originally Connected the Nassau Street Loop on one end and
Canal Street on the other. As the Chrystie Street Connection opened,
the Canal Street line was connected to the other side and the Nassau
Street Loop track was disconnected from the bridge tracks.
My question is: Are those tracks visible from a passing train on the
Canal Street Line?
I believe that they are. I recall years ago in 1989 (when I lived in
Brooklyn) that when passing on the Manhattan Bridge that I could see
the front of an old train when looking out the windows. I did not know
kind of train it was, since it was dark, but looking through the site,
it resembled a BMT Standard.
Then again, this was almost 10 years ago (I currently live in L.A. and
I Am 21 Years old) so I am not 100% sure. I am hoping that maybe a
NYCTA employee or a frequent "N" train rider may know better about
this since I understand that the track in question is closed due to
bridge repair...
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Posted by Julio Perez on September 02, 1997 at 09:09:02:
In Reply to: [6]Trains on Bridges posted by David L. on September 01,
1997 at 23:29:06:
The same thing occurred not only on the Manhattan and Williamsburg
Bridges, but on the approaches to the 125th Street station on the
B'way/7th Avenue A-Division line (1/9) as well.
About 20-some years ago, it used to be the case the trains emerging
from the tunnels would creep outward at about 10 MPH or so. At a
certain point, they would accelerate towards the platform. As they
left the platform, they would proceed at about 10 MPH, then accelerate
into the tunnels as they would get closer to them.
This could be because of the aging of the structure, or because the
sine waves of vibrations caused by speeding trains onto the structure
would be too great, causing possible structure failure. (I'm _not_ a
civil engineer, but I've heard that could be the case in suspension
bridges. Even though this is _not_ a suspended structure, it was
designed at an era in which slower speed trains were present.)
I'm just surprised the MTA has not put converting this station into an
undercover one on their project wish list. Not necessarily that Albany
has money to throw around, but the original purpose of this structure
is a moot point at this day and age: to straighten the line so the old
trains would not have the trouble going down and up steep inclines
caused by the "valley" @ 125th Street.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 02, 1997 at 11:32:01:
In Reply to: [5]Manhattan Bridge Question posted by RAC93 on September
02, 1997 at 04:57:15:
I can definitely empathize with the trouble we all have trying to sort
out memories from younger years. It took me about fifteen years before
I figuerd out that as a child of about five I had seen a LIRR train
pop up in the median of Atlantic avenue at Nostrand. The Manhattan
bridge situation, when four tracks were in use, was one route on the
North side of the bridge, and the other on the South. Each was a
two-way pair. If a train was crossing on the other route, it was hard
to see. However, if a train in the opposite direction on your route,
it was right in your face if you were looking out the front, and what
kid wouldn't be! If you are talking about after the bridge and into
the tunnel, it gets very complicated.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 02, 1997 at 12:04:54:
In Reply to: [5]Not Only On Bridges... (Was Re: Trains on Bridges)
posted by Julio Perez on September 02, 1997 at 09:09:02:
The valley at 125th st is no moot point. It was and is a major
geological consideration for any linear structure crossing it. The
decision not to go under which was made in 1904 was not in deference
to the ability or inability of trains to pull the grade. It was a
necessary concession to keep the major terminus at 137th st. from
being buried too deep for passengers to climb to the surface unaided.
Escalators were not yet developed, and elevators AT A TERMINAL wouls
have been a bottleneck. When the A train was built through the same
area in the thirties, the decision was made to stay underground at
125th, even though this commited the line to very deep stations
through much of Washington Heights. These were local stations, and
each have elevators. Only at 168th st is there a volume problem
because of the transfer to the #1. I can recall to this day the
terrible crush of humanity on that single large elevator in the 60,s
during rush hour, because if you didn't get on, you missed at least
one train, and for a New Yorker this is unthinkable. I actually ran
down (not up!) the stairrs a few times, but I was young and foolish
then, and ten or so flights seemed reasonable.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 02, 1997 at 12:24:33:
In Reply to: [6]Trains on Bridges posted by David L. on September 01,
1997 at 23:29:06:
It isn't just the downgrades on the bridges. Controlled signalling can
be
found on the #4 heading downtown between Bleeker and Spring Sts, and
on
all of the downgrades for the East River tunnels, among others. There
isn't any speed restriction (that is, timed signals) on the upgrades -
the
train's own weight and the weight of the people aboard limit the
traction
motors to only so much power heading upgrade, and that limits the
speed
the train can reach.
Why the speed limitation? Probably a safety issue, maybe to minimize
the
chances of rear-end collisions. It takes a lot of braking force to
stop a
train heading downhill.
--Mark
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Posted by Nick on September 02, 1997 at 12:26:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A PICS posted by David Pirmann on September
02, 1997 at 00:42:46:
I thought the picture of the #1 trains in the yard was on the cover of
the greller book-which is scanned on here. I believe the R110A is
still being run on the #2, but only during rush hours I think. Maybe
someone could contact the Transit authority about when the R110A goes
by a station close to you, and then you can get pics. I'd do it if I
lived in NYC!
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on September 02, 1997 at 12:35:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR in need of a Dress Code for conductors posted
by Bill Ruiz on August 29, 1997 at 19:31:38:
Huh? Netscape has the page topic listed as "R33 FanTrip" yet clicking
on
it presents someone's post on LIRR dess code from 8/29 ... reloading
the
page didn't solve the problem.
--Mark
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 02, 1997 at 12:39:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway items for sale posted by Philip Nasadowski
on August 31, 1997 at 14:36:05:
There was an article in Model Railroader about fifteen or so years ago
that detailed how to duplicate a two handled control stand from a
diesel locomotive for model railroad use. It was of mostly wood
construction, and looked very convincing. I'm sure the concept could
be eadily applied to a single handle controller, whereas purchasing
and gutting a real controller is probably not practical.
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Posted by aaron on September 02, 1997 at 12:45:24:
So where is this yard? It is underground? I drove around the area of
the
Grant Ave station but could not find it. Help!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 02, 1997 at 12:47:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 01, 1997 at 17:00:23:
I experienced a number of overshoots in the sixties, and the motorman
always backed up so that all doors could be safely opened. I always
felt that this was done in spite of what the rules might have been,
since in those days some disgruntled passenger would have to complain
in order to cause the operator to get into trouble, and as long as
nobody missed their stop, there was not likely to be a caller.
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Posted by Marcellus G. on September 02, 1997 at 13:23:40:
According to the new MTA plan for student metrocards, it is to my
understanding that cards will be issued only once every term. I'm
concerned because the value of a metrocard for one term (5 months) is
worth (according to my calculations) approximately $400. I think that
students will basically be carrying an invitation for a mugging. What
is the policy for lost or stolen metrocards? Have there been similar
farecard programs in any other cities, and if so, how have the results
been? Any responses would be appreciated.
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POSTER>Lou from Middletown
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 02, 1997 at 14:24:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 01, 1997 at 17:00:23:
Speaking of funny things engineers/motormen-excuseme, train operators
do or have done- last week I was riding from Mioddletown to Hoboken on
the NJT operated service. I happened to be in the lead car of the
push-pull; I went up to the front of the car to get a drink of water,
and happened to see the engineer calmly reading a newspaper!! Okay, it
was north of Harriman on a fairly deserted stretch,but still!!
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 02, 1997 at 14:26:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Steve on September
01, 1997 at 20:19:59:
You gotta admit- it disen't take too much to oveshoot Cold Spring!
(sorry)
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Posted by ~airplane on September 02, 1997 at 15:20:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Lou from Middletown
on September 02, 1997 at 14:24:10:
Port Jervis Line questions: How far south of the Moodna Viaduct does
the right of way become two tracks? I've noticed two tracks at
Harriman, but only one track on the trestle. When was the trestle
reduced to a single track?
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Posted by Lou from Middletown on September 02, 1997 at 15:26:46:
In Reply to: [5]Track questions - was Re: Too fast - No stop posted by
~airplane on September 02, 1997 at 15:20:30:
Outside of sidings, I believe it really doesn't become two track until
Suffern (i.e. NJT territory), This may change with NS coming to town,
however. There is going to a lot of noise whem this happens, because
Metro-North wants be sure that they will have space for increasing
commuter service, wheras NS really wants to make this a Main Line
again, or so the scuttlebutt around here is going, so we shall see!
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Posted by Timothy on September 02, 1997 at 16:02:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Philip Nasadowski on
September 01, 1997 at 17:00:23:
Back in the early 80's, the same thing happened to a SEPTA commuter
train.
It overshot the Narberth train station, which is northwest of
Philadelphia.
The train backed up, and was rearended by an express commuter train.
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POSTER>BJ
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Posted by BJ on September 02, 1997 at 16:34:54:
Has the NYCTA ever been in debt or close to it, just wondering.
The CTA still is in debt and has had to make alot of cuts like one man
train
operation and gettting rid of ten bus routes. They still need to do
more,
got any suggestions?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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SUBJECT>Re: Electric Yard Fences?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on September 02, 1997 at 16:56:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Electric Yard Fences? posted by JAY on August 28,
1997 at 18:12:07:
Take your caps lock and find a new web site, please.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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SUBJECT>Re: Too fast - No stop
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on September 02, 1997 at 17:43:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Too fast - No stop posted by Lou from Middletown
on September 02, 1997 at 14:24:10:
Hey, was it a baldheaded guy???
I was on the NEC line when this guy was busy reading the sports
section.
I'm not sure about this - but I think at one point he might even had
blown a Stop, although I thought this line had speed control on it.
Anyway, he wasn't looking up much, and had a really annoying full
power-no power-full power way of driving. It seems that all of NJT and
Septic's MUs are driven this way. They always floor it until the train
gets to speed, let it roll until it looses 5 or 10, then floor it
again. What gives??
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POSTER>Bill
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SUBJECT>Re: Pitkin Avenue Yard
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Posted by Bill on September 02, 1997 at 18:00:46:
In Reply to: [6]Pitkin Avenue Yard posted by aaron on September 02,
1997 at 12:45:24:
It's in the area of Linden Blvd & Elderts Lane. The lay up tracks are
locateed under an apartment building.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 02, 1997 at 18:58:12:
In Reply to: [5]Pitkin Avenue Yard posted by aaron on September 02,
1997 at 12:45:24:
I can be more specific. North of Linden, South of Sutter, Between
Elderts and I believe Grant, but when I rode my bike out there in the
50's, the street was unpaved and unsigned. The yard was built along
with the extension to Euclid Ave in the 40's and could only be entered
from the West. Grant ave station was added in what became the center
leg of the wye trackage. I can hardly believe they have built an
apartment building over the tracks! They only do that where real
estate is valuable, and New Lots NEVER qualified.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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SUBJECT>Re: Concerns regarding the MTA Student Metrocard
DATE>Sep 12 18:16:59 1997
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on September 02, 1997 at 19:06:44:
In Reply to: [5]Concerns regarding the MTA Student Metrocard posted by
Marcellus G. on September 02, 1997 at 13:23:40:
The High School fare cards of the fifties were also issued twice a
year, but they were controlled in such a way that we never thought
them worth stealing. For one thing, they had to be at least 'FLASHED'
at the attendant, who allowed you to enter through the exit gate each
morning. The cards were only good in the afternoon for one third of
the term, and since that was the ride home from school, they often had
a guard at the gate who inspected each card and its holder to make
sure the information matched. If you do the math, this amounted to a
nickle fare during the great 15 cent token era.
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POSTER>subway-buff
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SUBJECT>Re: Change in Queens Blvd Evening/Owl Service
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Posted by subway-buff on September 02, 1997 at 19:18:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Change in Queens Blvd Evening/Owl Service posted
by Bryan Layne on September 01, 1997 at 22:28:45:
Please check out the official MTA Site- navigate the NYC Transit.
Select Subway Information and then select service changes/ Select F or
G and you;ll see about the 6 av Shuttle train-all local stops to 2nd
ave (this has 4 tracks but I do not know if they'll use the "express"
tracks at 2nd ave or if the shuttle will use the "local" tracks. I do
not ride that late at night!
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POSTER>RISKY BUSINESS
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Posted by RISKY BUSINESS on September 02, 1997 at 19:38:02:
In Reply to: [5]Concerns regarding the MTA Student Metrocard posted by
Marcellus G. on September 02, 1997 at 13:23:40:
There will be someone in each school responsible for lost/stolen
cards, a lost card will immediately be deactivated and a replacement
should be issued within the week.
It's not worth the RISK
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POSTER>Bobw
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SUBJECT>Re: Trains on Bridges
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Posted by Bobw on September 02, 1997 at 21:39:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Trains on Bridges posted by Zack on September 02,
1997 at 01:33:39:
The conditions of each of these bridges is definitely a factor in
allowable speed. In much the same way, some bridges are posted with
weight limits - a 5-ton truck crossing a 4-ton bridge won't result in
immediate collapse, but the impact of the moving load will definitely
have a detrimental effect on the structure. In the case of the
Manhattan, the trains created a "see-saw" effect and twisted it when
they crossed. This was worse before the Chrystie connection when the
tracks to Centre St got much less use than the Broadway tracks. With
both Manhattan and W'burg dating from the turn of the century, and
neither in good shape, it's a wonder trains can still be supported on
them.
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SUBJECT>Why can't 75' cars use J, L, M, Z routes?
DATE>Sep 12 18:17:02 1997
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Posted by Bobw on September 02, 1997 at 21:43:30:
Does anyone know the specific restrictions/areas which do not
accommodate 75' cars on these lines? I suspect the many, tortuous
curves on the L subway are at fault, but where on the others? Is it
the subway curve from Delancey to Centre? I was wondering, since the
HBO Subway Stories film used an R-68 train signed for the M line. I
know it's Hollywood and "poetic license", but it raised a question
that I always had. Help?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 02, 1997 at 21:55:41:
In Reply to: [6]R33 FanTrip or Re: LIRR in need of a Dress Code for
conductors posted by Mark S Feinman on September 02, 1997 at 12:35:47:
Yup, bug.
Free software ain't bug free, folks.
--Dave
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: R110A PICS
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Posted by David Pirmann on September 02, 1997 at 21:58:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A PICS posted by Nick on September 02, 1997 at
12:26:17:
The #2 doesn't come anywhere near where I live in Jersey City :-)
And the cover of the Greller book has #1 trains in the shop, not in a
yard. The picture of the #1 trains lined up in the 240th St yard I
took myself.
--Dave
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