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Posted by John on May 01, 1997 at 21:32:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: what is the acceleration and decel of subways
posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 01, 1997 at 16:30:17:
How did you simulate it?
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 01, 1997 at 21:32:45:
In Reply to: [6]New Cars posted by Charles Fiori on April 30, 1997 at
17:56:09:
Did Kawasaki get the remainder of the order (about 400)? Last I heard
Amrail was out of the picture.
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Posted by Sean Belfi on March 12, 1997 at 19:00:14:
In Reply to: [6]NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by David M. Razler
on March 03, 1997 at 13:21:31:
Bushwick terminal used to be in use with an elevated line running
south to south brooklyn. The NYC subway took some of the tracks for
their lines.x
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 01, 1997 at 23:11:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Bryan Layne on
April 30, 1997 at 17:15:25:
do u know the fleeet numbers,,and other info about
the new artic bus nycta
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 01, 1997 at 23:18:36:
In Reply to: [6]Broad Street Line (Philly) posted by Ben on April 26,
1997 at 19:50:22:
looking for websites,,dealing only with philadelphia
and wilmington delawre,,,,i am on the dvarp
membership mailings,,,looking for others,,dealing
with regional rail specifically
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 01, 1997 at 23:25:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by steve lowenthal
on May 01, 1997 at 23:11:50:
looking for roster info about the articulated
bus,,including fleet numbers,,,mgfr,,date,,numbers of
vehicles,,exact model number
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POSTER>James
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Posted by James on May 01, 1997 at 23:28:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Cars posted by Andrew Huie on May 01, 1997 at
21:32:45:
Yup, 680 for Bombardier and 400 for Kawasaki. The amazing thing is
that the TA got 1080 cars for the price they had expected to pay for
740 cars. I guess the TA finally woke up and done something right for
a change. First deliveries is expected sometime in early 1999.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 01, 1997 at 23:52:29:
Re Question 21 (ridership on the L) - While the L has no express
service, it nevertheless seems to have fairly decent ridership
numbers. That's probably because it's the only line serving many parts
of Brooklyn. In addition, it provides some useful connections in
Manhattan.
Re Question 23 (Broad Street) - This station is indeed closed on
weekends, when the J terminates at Chambers Street. On weekends, the Z
doesn't run at all and the M operates only as a shuttle in Queens and
Brooklyn. Obstensibly, there's no weekend service to Broad Street
because the area is relatively empty on weekends and there are other
stations in the immediate vicinity. According to a discussion some
time ago on the nyc.transit newsgroup, the *real* reason for closing
the station is that the TA thereby can avoid having to staff a nearby
tower. I don't have any independent knowledge of that, however.
An interesting question is whether increased residential development
in the financial district will someday make it necessary to open Broad
Street on weekends.
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Posted by Steve on May 02, 1997 at 01:31:59:
In Reply to: [6]please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
Lefty on May 01, 1997 at 17:47:25:
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Posted by Steve on May 02, 1997 at 01:37:19:
In Reply to: [6]please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
Lefty on May 01, 1997 at 17:47:25:
The difference between the IRT (Interborough Rapid Tranit) and the BMT
Brooklyn Manhattan Transit
IRT Cars are smaller than BMT cars
Length IRT = 50' 1/2" BMT = 60' or 75'
Width IRT = 8' 6" BMT = 10'
IRT cars have their tripcock (emergency brake actuators) under the
Train Operator's cab while BMT/IND cars have it on the side opposite
the Train Operators position
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 02, 1997 at 06:50:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Cars posted by Andrew Huie on May 01, 1997 at
21:32:45:
Yes, AmRail is out. Kawasaki will build theirs in Yonkers (Yahnkiz).
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 02, 1997 at 09:25:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by John on May 01,
1997 at 21:30:39:
The TA operates 34 CNG Orion Model V buses. They are assigned to the
Jackie Gleason (formerly Fifth Ave) depot in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on May 02, 1997 at 09:53:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by MJS on April
30, 1997 at 20:08:09:
THe "humps" on top are probably A/C units, as artic's are usually too
large to use the standard A/C units. Baltimore has 10 Orion artics
with rooftop A/C units. (The buses are diesels with Cummins engines.
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POSTER>Bob Andersen
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Posted by Bob Andersen on March 12, 1997 at 20:00:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by carl
margolies on March 04, 1997 at 20:12:59:
Actually, the Bellaire station was serviced by Hempstead trains, which
also serviced the Union Hall St. and Hillside (not the current
Hillside Facility station, but the old wooden station, now mostly
demolished, located immediately east of where the Babylon branch
splits off).
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on May 02, 1997 at 09:54:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by MJS on April
30, 1997 at 20:08:09:
THe "humps" on top are probably A/C units, as artic's are usually too
large to use the standard A/C units. Baltimore has 10 Orion artics
with rooftop A/C units. (The buses are diesels with Cummins engines.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on May 02, 1997 at 10:21:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Wayne Johnson on April 29, 1997 at 09:40:44:
The DC Route numbering system (old DC/Capital Transit) is easy if you
know the system: Numbered routes (40/42, 50/54, 20, 30 etc.) are (ex)
streetcar lines (20-Cabin John; 30-Wisconsin Avenue; 50/54-14th
Street). Lines with letters/numbers are (ugh)bus lines. The suburban
bus lines were integrated into this system, but I'm not totally sure
how. WMATA has expanded the numbering system since takeing the systems
over, but the basics are the same.
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Posted by Charles on May 02, 1997 at 11:02:33:
I believe that the R110B's have been on the "A" long enough. It is
time for
the Transit authority to send them to another line for the Continued
revenue testing
The "Q" has the conductors boards for the train. I am well aware that
the train has been used on the "C"
after the technical difficulties with it. The train can also be used
on the "E". I personally would like to see the train
go into revenue testing on the "B".
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on May 02, 1997 at 11:56:15:
In Reply to: [6]philadelphia railroad websites posted by steve
lowenthal on May 01, 1997 at 23:18:36:
I am not at my computer to give you the exact address but search
using the key word SEPTA. This site has subway, trolley, and
Regional Rail. Del has its own site. I think you use the key word
DART.
If this is not enough re-post and I will look into further.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 02, 1997 at 12:43:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: what is the acceleration and decel of subways
posted by John on May 01, 1997 at 21:32:08:
Nothing fancy. I determined the distances between stops and applied
the standard motion equations v = a x t and d = d0 + v0 x t + .5 x a x
t ** 2 as appropriate. A dwell time is added for each station along
the way. It works pretty well for the 1 line, non rush hour. Other
lines require a second average speed for certain runs due to sharp
curves, interlockings, and bridge and tunnel grades. It works for non
rush hours, when stop times are pretty consistent. It was the reason
behind my question re: exact routings some time ago.
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In Reply to: [6]Re: please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
John on May 01, 1997 at 21:23:12:
Good Answer, but a couple of slips on the Malbone St. wreck.
There was no Malbone St. Station. The train was entering Prospect Park
Sta. on the Brighton Line where the tracks ducked underground and
rounded a sharp reverse curve to come out on the southbound local side
of the four track line. The connection to Dekalb Av. emerges in the
middle here, I don't remember whether it was in service at the time.
The train hit the curve in the tunnel at about 40mph according to the
reports I've heard. The first car stayed on the track, but the second
and third didn't, causing a major wreck with much injury and loss of
life.
From what I've heard, the track where the wreck occurred may be out of
service, since the Franklin Av. Shuttle terminates on the northbound
local track at Prospect Park, but the location should be visible from
the head end of a shuttle train.
Malbone St. is of course now known as Empire Blvd. The name itself was
enough to conjure up negative images without the knowledge of the
wreck, and was probably a good change. Sorta like Gravesend Av.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 02, 1997 at 13:11:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why Can't we get Time schedules???????? posted by
John on May 01, 1997 at 21:28:46:
Yes, except for the 'A' they are even available on the MTA website.
BUT they are vague:
"Then every 8 or 12 minutes" from the Saturday "4" schedule.
8 or 12 minutes is a big difference if you are trying to make a
connection to MNCR at GCT!
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Posted by wayne johnson on May 02, 1997 at 14:21:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUSES posted by Wayne Johnson on May 01, 1997 at
15:36:01:
they are tmcs
bus roadeo is 5-17&5-18 at flushing meadow park
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Posted by trolleybus on May 02, 1997 at 14:39:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses rosters posted by steve
lowenthal on May 01, 1997 at 23:25:43:
they are made by new lyer industries of canada. they are final
assembly
inthe us so ny transit says they are buying american.numbers will be
1001-1070.they will all be assigned to kingsbridge depot in the bronx
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Posted by trolleybus on May 02, 1997 at 14:55:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses rosters posted by
trolleybus on May 02, 1997 at 14:39:51:
new flyer industries of canada is the manufacturer.
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Posted by Ruth Hirsch on March 12, 1997 at 22:34:30:
I'm writing a paper about musicians in the subway.Need
background, articles etc.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 02, 1997 at 18:23:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Bryan Layne on
April 30, 1997 at 17:15:25:
There are other pictures of these buses at
[7]www.newflyer.com/hifloor/d602.jpg/ ,
[8]www.newflyer.com/hifloor/d60.jpg and
[9]www.newflyer.com/hifloor/d60.html .
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 02, 1997 at 18:24:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Bryan Layne on
April 30, 1997 at 17:15:25:
There are other pictures of these buses at
[7]www.newflyer.com/hifloor/d602.jpg/ ,
[8]www.newflyer.com/hifloor/d60.jpg and
[9]www.newflyer.com/hifloor/d60.html .
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SUBJECT>Re: Malbone Street Still Exists?
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Posted by David Pirmann on May 02, 1997 at 18:46:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
Gerry O'Regan on May 02, 1997 at 13:01:47:
A recent browse thru Street Atlas USA (and a Hagstrom Atlas) shows
there is a short block of street still called Malbone Street. It is
slightly east of the President Street station on the IRT. Anyone know
if it's actually signed?
--Dave
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 02, 1997 at 23:02:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Malbone Street Still Exists? posted by David
Pirmann on May 02, 1997 at 18:46:03:
That's interesting, Dave. I'll have to look at my street map. Does it
line up with Empire Blvd. in any way??
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 03, 1997 at 11:02:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Bryan Layne on
May 02, 1997 at 18:24:17:
oooops....your gonna have to type these in and drop the slashes at the
end.....for some reason its not loading with those at the end of the
address.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on May 03, 1997 at 11:07:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Malbone Street Still Exists? posted by David
Pirmann on May 02, 1997 at 18:46:03:
The Malbone Street that was the scene of the crash was changed to
Empire Bulevard after the wreck-According to the book
"Uptown-Downtown"
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Posted by Randall Raymond on May 03, 1997 at 12:21:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Peter Rosa on April 27, 1997 at 16:59:41:
What the system needs is a connection between the Queens Plaza and
Queensborough Plaza stations...
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Posted by Randall on May 03, 1997 at 12:31:06:
Are then any plans to make a connection between the two stations?
Seems it would make sense.
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Posted by Randall on May 03, 1997 at 12:39:17:
Are then any plans to make a connection between the two stations?
Seems it would make sense.
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Posted by Steve on May 03, 1997 at 13:21:21:
In Reply to: [6]Why Can't we get Time schedules???????? posted by BIG
Dave on April 30, 1997 at 13:59:18:
You can get schedules of virtually every line. Dispatchers have them.
However, to what end? With headways as close as 3 minutes apart, what
would it mean if you got on the 7:27 A 207th St. or the 7:24 A 207th
St. ?
Would it make that much difference. Besides, unless you ask the train
operator or conductor how would you know? If you got onto a
south-bound A at 59th St., would you care if it was the 7:27 A 207th
St on time or the 7:24 A 207th St. running 3 minutes late? What
happens when the the dispatcher has to adjust his headway because no
trains are coming uptown due to a bridge opening in the Rockaways and
he decides to put out 8 trains in a half hour instead of 10? Now the
trains are 4 minutes apart instead of 3. Or what happens when you get
a sick passenger at Jay St. and there are no trains coming northbound
for a half hour? Or when the F trains are routed over the G line due
to a police investigation? What happens to your timetables then?
Schedules are important if the headways are 15 minutes, 30 minutes or
an hour like metro-north or the LIRR. When the headways are under 10
minutes like they are on the subways (at most times) the schedules are
only important to the dispatchers to keep track of the crews and
equipment. If you are cutting your personal schedule so close that you
need a timetable for the subways, shame on you...
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Posted by David Pirmann on February 28, 1997 at 11:45:36:
In Reply to: [6]PABT-Times Sq Walkway posted by Joe Barnes on February
28, 1997 at 10:30:02:
Yes, you can walk from the 8th Avenue/42nd Street
IND station to the 7th Avenue IRT/Shuttle station.
This was made part of a free transfer some years
back (before my time).
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Posted by David M. Razler on March 13, 1997 at 02:05:50:
Does the subway system still operate the Southern Brooklyn Railway
freight line as described in Uptown, Downtown? Are there still any
freight operations at all carried on by the MTA on subway tracks other
than for system maintenance?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 03, 1997 at 15:09:37:
In Reply to: [6]Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza posted by Randall on
May 03, 1997 at 12:39:17:
The main obstacle to connecting the two stations is that Queensboro
Plaza is elevated, while Queens Plaza is underground. That would make
a physical connection costly. An alternative would be to allow free
transfers using MetroCard - riders could swipe their cards through a
special reader when leaving one station, which would allow free entry
(time limited, if necessary) at the other.
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Posted by Sean Goldman on May 03, 1997 at 16:22:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Malbone Street Still Exists? posted by David
Pirmann on May 02, 1997 at 18:46:03:
Malbone Street is on Mapquest (www.mapquest.com) also. It's within the
block formed by Empire Blvd. to the South, Montgomery St. to the
North, Nostrand Ave. to the West, and New York Ave. to the East, but
it's only a half a block long. One end is on New York Ave., and the
other end is on Clove St., which isn't much bigger than Malbone,
ending on Empire and also near the corner of Nostrand and Montgomery.
The fact that the name wasn't completely wiped out seems to indicate
that the people didn't want to forget whoever Malbone was after the
crash. Anyone know who he is?
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Posted by Sean Goldman on May 03, 1997 at 17:12:56:
Has anyone heard any news on the progress of the Secaucus Connection,
the project that will bring the NJ Transit Main and Bergen Co. lines
and the Metro-North Port Jervis and Pascack Valley lines into Penn
Station through a connection with the Amtrak main line?
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 03, 1997 at 19:13:19:
What kind of Subway/Elevated cars operate in Chicago Illinois? Also,
is Chicago the only city that has Elevated tracks in it's main city
downtown area? Please E-mail me!
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Posted by Steve on May 03, 1997 at 19:25:40:
In Reply to: [6]Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza posted by Randall on
May 03, 1997 at 12:39:17:
Of course cost and geography are the greatest obstacles to such a
venture. The IND at Queens Plaza passes several under the IRT about
100 to 200 feet away from the station. This would mean much more than
simply adding an escallator or a stairway. The alternative of a
metro-card transfer is an excellent idea. Finally, the cost of such a
project would never be approved because it duplicates a virtually
identical connection at 74th St. on the 7 line and Roosevelt Ave. on
the IND. It would also duplicate another free transfer point at 42nd
St.
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Posted by Sam Parker on May 03, 1997 at 20:13:02:
In Reply to: [6]Chicago Subway's and El's posted by Brian Jakosz on
May 03, 1997 at 19:13:19:
Are there any other resources for information re: The CTA and The
"El"?
Does The C.E.R.A. have a website? If not, why not?
Is the South Central section of the "official CTA Rapid Transit map
ever going to be completed?
Thanks for any information you can provide.
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Posted by Sam Parker on May 03, 1997 at 20:13:27:
In Reply to: [6]Chicago Subway's and El's posted by Brian Jakosz on
May 03, 1997 at 19:13:19:
Are there any other resources for information re: The CTA and The
"El"?
Does The C.E.R.A. have a website? If not, why not?
Is the South Central section of the "official" CTA Rapid Transit map
ever going to be completed?
Thanks for any information you can provide.
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on May 03, 1997 at 23:16:00:
In Reply to: [6]So That's The Difference. posted by Steve on May 02,
1997 at 01:37:19:
The difference in width is the main one that most of us know, the
figures I have seen are
8' 10" (not 8' 6") vs. 10'. The part about the tripcock is
interesting; if that is true, then how
is it that IRT cars are often run as work trains on BMT/IND lines? Are
those trains not
subject to having their brakes tripped by red signals?
Also, how is it possible that the IRT and BMT used to run "joint
operations" on the Astoria
and Flushing lines? Trains of BMT-width cars couldn't operate at
platforms designed for
IRT-width cars, and IRT-width cars couldn't safely stop at platforms
designed for
BMT-width cars. If, as I believe, the BMT operated narrow IRT-width
cars on those lines,
where did they stop in Manhattan?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 03, 1997 at 23:25:14:
In Reply to: [6]Chicago Subway's and El's posted by Brian Jakosz on
May 03, 1997 at 19:13:19:
This is the CTA's Rapid Transit car roster:
numbers builder built routes assigned
2201-2350 Budd 1969-70 Blue
2401-2600 Boeing-Vertol 1976-78 Red,Green
2601-3200 Budd 1981-87 Red,Blue,Purple
3201-3440 Morrison-Knudsen 1992-94 Brown,Orange
3441-3456 Morrison-Knudsen 1993-94 Yellow
lines:
Congress/Douglas/O'Hare(Blue)
Howard/Dan Ryan(Red)
Lake/Englewood/Jackson Park(Green)
Linden Shuttle,"Evanston Express"(Purple)
Ravenswood(Brown)
Midway(Orange)
"Skokie Swift"(Yellow)(This line uses pantographs)
Also,I think Chicago and Boston are the only two cities with
elevated structures downtown.
I got this information from the Chicago
Transit Enthusiasts Page at
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http://members.aol.com/chictafan/maincta.html
I know my CTA so if you have any other questions e-mail me
or Bill Vandervoort at the Chicago Transit/Metra Railfan Page.
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Posted by Steve on May 04, 1997 at 00:05:41:
In Reply to: [6]IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Dan Schwartz on
May 03, 1997 at 23:16:00:
Good questions:
First, all work motors have 4 trip cocks. The active ones are selected
manually using a diversion valve. They are marked for IND/BMT or IRT.
The crew set them according to where the equipment is operated.
Second, the only place where the BMT operated 'narrow equipment' that
I know about was the Flushing Line. There the BMT and IRT operated
joint service into the 40s. Oddly enough, the IRT cars on the #7 line
still have their trip cocks where BMT/IND cars do. This is necessary
because the R-33s and R-36s of the #7 line go through heavy repairs in
Coney Island and operate over BMT tracks from Queensboro Plaza to get
there. The # 7 line is also, therefore, the only IRT line to use
BMT/IND signals.
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Posted by Wayne Fields on March 13, 1997 at 10:14:18:
In Reply to: [6]Musicians in the subway posted by Ruth Hirsch on March
12, 1997 at 22:34:30:
Simple! Read Underground Harmonies, by Susie Tanenbaum (Cornell Univ.
Press, 1995). It's THE reference work on subway musicians.
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 04, 1997 at 00:20:21:
does anyone have new track maps of the amtrak newark
station at the airport,monorail connection
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 04, 1997 at 13:55:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Steve on May
04, 1997 at 00:05:41:
Prior to unification there were all sorts of places where the BMT
operated narrow cars in addition to the two lines in Queens. The most
interesting was Myrtle Avenue, Brooklyn which was also the most
recent. North of Broadway, Myrtle El cars shared trackage with subway
cars from Nassau St. The latter were 10 feet wide, so the conductors
had to yell:
"Mind the gap, please"
According to another post here this also happened on the Culver Line
in the pre-IND days. The route split between the 4th Av. Subway and
the 5th Av. El to Brooklyn Bridge. Since the West End Line shared the
connections at 9th Av., this route could have also had joint service.
Of course today, where there are so many excuses to litigate...
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Posted by Eric on May 04, 1997 at 14:39:31:
How do you get to be one of the "legit" subway musicians... the one's
with those orange banners that say something like, " New York Music
Underground"? I've heard that there is some kind of audition. Any one
know when, or where? Also, I've heard they're the only musicians who
can legally use amplification. Love to get some leads on this stuff.
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Posted by Lefty on May 04, 1997 at 16:38:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Gerry
O'Regan on May 04, 1997 at 13:55:48:
is there actually a difference between the width between the rails on
the tracks?
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POSTER>Dan Schwartz
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on May 04, 1997 at 18:23:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Lefty on May
04, 1997 at 16:38:34:
Is there actually a difference between the width between the rails on
the tracks? No,
obviously not, otherwise IRT cars couldn't operate as work trains over
IND/BMT tracks,
and couldn't go to the Coney Island shops for repairs. Actually, there
are several yards
(Jerome/Concourse in the Bronx, and 207th St. in Manhattan) which have
connections to
both IRT and IND passenger-service tracks; it is not unusual to see
IRT #4 trains (R-62's)
and "D" trains (R-68(a?)'s) sitting next to each other in the
Concourse yard, which is visible
from the Bedford Park station on the #4.
I am surprised to hear that the Myrtle Avenue line had narrow trains
stopping at platforms
that accomadated wider trains as recently as the early 1970's. I guess
the urge to sue
wasn't quite as widespread then as it is now, but we were surely
already heading that way.
Did the BMT Broadway (Manhattan) line also have narrow cars from the
Flushing and
Astoria lines (the so-called "Q" cars) stopping and leaving wide gaps
prior to 1949?
I guess it must have, but it seems to me that it must have been
awfully dangerous at
crowded, narrow platforms like the one at Lexington Ave./59th (really
60th) Street. Does
anyone know how far south these trains went?
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In Reply to: [6]Re: please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
Gerry O'Regan on May 02, 1997 at 13:01:47:
Ok, I know this is really gorey groos out sicko stuff, but does any
part of the wreck still exist down there, or any evidence of it???
From what I know, they closed the tunnel where it happened after the
fact, and it hasn't been used since.
Also, is it true that many of the people died not from the wreck, but
from electrocution??
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In Reply to: [6]Re: please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
Philip Nasadowski on May 04, 1997 at 19:03:37:
I read that there were a lot of deaths due to electricution.
Apparently, the BRT executives thought the power was cut by the
striking employees. When the power was restored, those who survived
the wreck were disoriented and the electric shock killed them.
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Posted by Lefty on May 04, 1997 at 20:02:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Dan Schwartz
on May 04, 1997 at 18:23:43:
why doesnt the city fix up the platforms so that all the stations
follow one standard.. then the IRT could use the bigger cars and they
wont have to make different orders for new cars for the BMT and IRT. i
go to school right next to the #4 yard at the bedford park station on
the 4.. the work cars there do look like theyre r62's from the IRT..
theres another yard however directly north of that one which houses
the cars from the #4 line and theyre all IRT cars in there.. lots of
the red cars..
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 04, 1997 at 20:22:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Dan Schwartz
on May 04, 1997 at 18:23:43:
In general the BMT's wooden elevated cars were not allowed to enter
the subways. Thus the Queensboro Plaza setup had subway trains from
Broadway entering on the upper level, discharging their passengers for
an across the platform transfer to an el train, then pulling into a
pocket track to change ends and return to the lower level where they
would await the arrival of an el train for the return trip. The el
trains had their own pocket track on the west side of the station.
El trains going to the yards were towed dead through the subway in the
dark of night behind 'drill motors'. Their third rail shoes could not
reach the third rail on the subway tracks which was lower and further
out than that on the els. I'm not sure whether this applied on the IRT
too, but 'Steinway' equipment was always unique due to the grades
encountered anyway. Even today the R33 & 36 cars on the Flushing Line
are kept separate from their brethern in the 1-6 routes, though their
predecessors, the r12,14,15 series did transfer to the main lines
after being replaced.
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SUBJECT>Re: The Hudson-Bergen LRT
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 13, 1997 at 10:40:46:
In Reply to: [6]The Hudson-Bergen LRT posted by Ted Nielsen on March
12, 1997 at 16:45:50:
Never seen such a beast on the web but the Hudson County
Transportation Management Assn (201-432-2200) or New Jersey
Transit should be able to help you.
--Dave
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Posted by Warren on May 04, 1997 at 21:07:56:
i AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE ROCKAWAY TRANSIT COALITION. OUR GOAL IS TO
HAVE THE MTA REACTIVATE THE OLD ROCKAWAY BEACH LINE. oUR PROPOSAL IS
TO REOPEN THE OLD ROCKAWAY BEACH LINE. THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE USED
AS FOLLOWS
1 CONNECT KENNEDY AIRPORT TO MANHATTAN THROUGH WHITE POT JUNCTION TO
PENN STATION. WHEN
2 RE-ESTABLISH THE OLD ROCKAWAY LINE TO FAR ROCKAWAY AND ROCKAWAY PARK
TO MANHATTAN.
3 CONNECT KENNEDY AIRPORT TO LA GUARDIA AIRPORT THROUGH EXISTING LIRR
TRACKS THAN CONNECTING TO THE N LINE AND CONTINUE TO LA GUARDIA. WE
ARE LOOKING FOR HELP FROM THOSE WHO LIVE ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY.
FOREST HILLS, GLENDALE, RICHMOND HILLS AND OZONE PARK. WE WILL SEND
OUR PROPOSAL VIA SNAIL MAIL. EMAIL US OR SEND A LETTER WITH YOUR
ADDRESS TO THE ROCKAWAY TRANSIT COAITION
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POSTER>Warren
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Posted by Warren on May 04, 1997 at 21:13:08:
I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE ROCKAWAY TRANSIT COALITION. OUR GOAL IS TO
HAVE THE MTA REACTIVATE THE OLD ROCKAWAY BEACH LINE. OUR PROPOSAL IS
TO REOPEN THE OLD ROCKAWAY BEACH LINE. THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE USED
AS FOLLOWS
1 CONNECT KENNEDY AIRPORT TO MANHATTAN THROUGH WHITE POT JUNCTION TO
PENN STATION. WHEN
2 RE-ESTABLISH THE OLD ROCKAWAY LINE TO FAR ROCKAWAY AND ROCKAWAY PARK
TO MANHATTAN.
3 CONNECT KENNEDY AIRPORT TO LA GUARDIA AIRPORT THROUGH EXISTING LIRR
TRACKS THAN CONNECTING TO THE N LINE AND CONTINUE TO LA GUARDIA. WE
ARE LOOKING FOR HELP FROM THOSE WHO LIVE ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY.
FOREST HILLS, GLENDALE, RICHMOND HILLS AND OZONE PARK. WE WILL SEND
OUR PROPOSAL VIA SNAIL MAIL. EMAIL US OR SEND A LETTER WITH YOUR
ADDRESS TO THE ROCKAWAY TRANSIT COAITION. ROCKAWAY TRANSIT COALITION
P.O. BOX 960185 INWOOD NY 11096-0185. THE PROPOSAL WE ARE USING WAS
WRITTEN BY THE COMMITTEE FOR BETTER TRANSIT.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 04, 1997 at 22:48:48:
Earlier this evening, I was going home on the N train (I got on at
Canal Street and was going to Court Street) and there were about 4 or
5 other people in my car. However, all of them were speaking to each
other in Greek. They weren't even related because there was a couple
at my end of the car, and a few others scattered around the car, and
they didn't appear to know each other. Not only that, but crumpled up
on a seat near me was a Greek newspaper. To top things off, the woman
sitting across from me looked exactly like my girlfriend, who is also
Greek. I concluded that these people must have been coming from
Astoria, which has a large Greek population.
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POSTER>Jim
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Posted by Jim on May 05, 1997 at 01:24:20:
In Reply to: [5]IT'S ALL GREEK TO ME. posted by John on May 04, 1997
at 22:48:48:
And your point is???
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 05, 1997 at 01:32:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Lefty on May
04, 1997 at 20:02:19:
The yard north of Concourse Yard is Jerome Yard. The work motors that
look like R-62s are actually R-127s but are rarely seen in Concourse
Yard.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 05, 1997 at 05:51:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IT'S ALL GREEK TO ME. posted by Jim on May 05,
1997 at 01:24:20:
Sheer entertainment, my friend. Sheer entertainment.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 05, 1997 at 06:54:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Bryan Layne on
May 02, 1997 at 18:24:17:
For all you articulated fans out there, anyone have a clue as to why
NYCT
artic #1052 (what kind of bus was the last in NYC to carry that
number?) was southbound on I-294 just outside of Chicago on Saturday
afternoon? Was it trying to start a record for longest local route in
the country?
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POSTER>johan.mattsson
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Posted by johan.mattsson on May 05, 1997 at 08:38:42:
bomba hela jäVLA new york!!!!
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on May 05, 1997 at 09:07:53:
I would like to know if there is any way to get copies of diagrams of
Non Revenue equipment for NYCT. I know that the revenue equipment
diagrams are in the book New York City subway cars. Is there a
department in NYCT that I can Contact? or doest the transit museum
have this type of thing?
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on May 05, 1997 at 09:08:20:
I would like to know if there is any way to get copies of diagrams of
Non Revenue equipment for NYCT. I know that the revenue equipment
diagrams are in the book New York City subway cars. Is there a
department in NYCT that I can Contact? or doest the transit museum
have this type of thing?
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 13, 1997 at 20:40:38:
Does anybody know where I can get a hold of destinations scrolls from
the D.C. Metro? They've now converted to all digital destination signs
on the trains because the sensors used on the scrolls didn't always
stop the mechanism on the right destination. On one train, you could
have at least 8 destinations listed on 5 different lines, some of
which were stations not yet in revenue service.
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: New Cars
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 05, 1997 at 09:12:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Cars posted by Andrew Huie on May 01, 1997 at
21:32:45:
Are there any pictures of the sketches of what the new cars will look
like?
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 05, 1997 at 10:04:02:
In Reply to: [6]Car Equipment Diagrams posted by Charles on May 05,
1997 at 09:08:20:
There are very few copies of that book around and nobody I know is
going to give up their copy. Is there a particular piece of equipment
that you are interested in or is it just that you'd like a copy of the
book?
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>THE B TRAIN
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Posted by John on May 05, 1997 at 11:47:31:
Why is the B train using R-68s all of a sudden? I thought that it was
exclusively an R-40 line. Are there any other changes in equipment
similar to this on other lines?
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: THE B TRAIN
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 05, 1997 at 12:08:56:
In Reply to: [6]THE B TRAIN posted by John on May 05, 1997 at
11:47:31:
I don't know why, but I have seen an occasional train of R-68's on the
B line from time to time.
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POSTER>Mark Feinman
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Posted by Mark Feinman on May 05, 1997 at 12:49:05:
In Reply to: [6]THE B TRAIN posted by John on May 05, 1997 at
11:47:31:
I have heard that the scratched glass on the R-40s is getting very bad
and NYC Transit takes those cars out of service on the weekends to
repair what they can and possibly to cut down on the vandalism.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 05, 1997 at 13:19:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Lefty on May
04, 1997 at 20:02:19:
Lefty ...
It's not just some IRT platforms that would need to be shaved if NYC
Transit were to adopt the BMT/IND standard size car. The original IRT
line tunnels would have to be enlarged to accomodate the wider
equipment. This would require a huge capital expenditure by the MTA.
I'd rather see this kind of expenditure used to build the 2nd Ave
subway, but that's a whole different topic :-)
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Malbone St (was: Re: please answer .....)
DATE>Jun 16 21:44:50 1997
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 05, 1997 at 13:36:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
Philip Nasadowski on May 04, 1997 at 19:03:37:
Nothing of the Nov 1, 1918 Malbone Street wreck exists in the tunnel
(or anywhere else that I can think of) anymore. However, I think the
scratches on the tunnel walls are still evident. I'll find out for
sure when the NY Transit Museum takes us to the site of this wreck on
one of their new tours for the summer.
A spring switch (a slip switch?) was installed in 1956, I believe, to
allow all Franlin Shuttle trains to terminate where they do today. In
1972, a train of Budd R-32s derailed in the same spot as the Malbone
St wreck, but the train was empty and it was travelling at 5 mph. No
one was hurt and I don't think the R-32 that derailed suffered any
damage (don't know the car #).
102 people died from the Malbone St wreck, many of those people
electrocuted when BRT management turned the power back on, thinking
the outage was sabatoge from striking BRT employees.
IIRC, motorman Edward J Luciano was eventually found innocent of
charges brought against him after the wreck. He was forced into
service as a motorman and was not at all familiar with the Brighton
Express route. Reports say he was travelling as fast as 40 mph when
the speed limit in the area was 5 - 10 mph. He had overshot a number
of stations that night as well.
The tunnel is occasionally used for layup trains but not normally used
in revenue service.
--Mark
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POSTER>Dwayne J. Davis
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SUBJECT>what if & how much?
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Posted by Dwayne J. Davis on May 05, 1997 at 13:56:43:
What would happen if it was decided that the present N.Y. subway was
abandoned and destroyed and a completely new and modern subway built
in it's place? How much would it cost to build a D.C. style subway on
a N.Y. size scale? Give me details. Has anyone ever proposed such a
thing?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 05, 1997 at 14:58:49:
Why were the R-30 Redbirds (for the BMT/IND lines) retired, while the
IRT Redbirds are still in service? Why didn't the TA keep the R-30s in
service?
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POSTER>Lefty
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!!
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Posted by Lefty on May 05, 1997 at 16:00:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Charles Fiori
on May 05, 1997 at 06:54:23:
i guess it has to have a way to get to the city from where its built?
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POSTER>philip nasadowski
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SUBJECT>LIRR track goop!!!
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Posted by philip nasadowski on March 13, 1997 at 20:51:36:
Over the last summer I got a chance to ride a lot of the LIRR's
electric lines, and noticed something interesting as I looked out the
front window.
Every now and then, usually at turns, there were these small devices
on the tracks
which seemed to ooz this black, oily, tarlike, thick goop, presumeably
onto a passing wheel. I noticed these most on PortWashington and
Huntington tracks.
What in the world are these things, and what do they do???
Is it some sort of lubricant, or rust preventer??
Whatever it is, it sure gets all over the tracks and surrounding
area....
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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SUBJECT>WHY THE LARGE NUMBERS OF DUPLICATE POSTS?
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on May 05, 1997 at 19:05:12:
I may have missed something but why are some posts listing 4-10 times?
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POSTER>Zack
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SUBJECT>Re: RE ACTIVATEING THE ROCKAWAY LINE
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Posted by Zack on May 05, 1997 at 21:11:56:
In Reply to: [6]RE ACTIVATEING THE ROCKAWAY LINE posted by Warren on
May 04, 1997 at 21:13:08:
geez turn off your caps lock!!!!!!!!
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POSTER>Zack
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SUBJECT>Re: what if & how much?
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Posted by Zack on May 05, 1997 at 21:15:26:
In Reply to: [6]what if & how much? posted by Dwayne J. Davis on May
05, 1997 at 13:56:43:
it would be compleaty unecomacal to do such a thing...
now revamping/remodling would be more ethical(and mabe nice too)
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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SUBJECT>Re: WHY THE LARGE NUMBERS OF DUPLICATE POSTS?
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on May 05, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]WHY THE LARGE NUMBERS OF DUPLICATE POSTS? posted by
FRED WELLMAN on May 05, 1997 at 19:05:12:
My guess is that some people don't realize that when they make a post
they won't see it on the index until they Reload the page. If they
have the index cached their new post won't appear. So they post it
again thinking the system didn't take it the first time. As far as I
know it's not a bug in the software but people actually pressing
submit multiple times. I try to clean them up as I see them but it's
hard to keep up with.
--Dave
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: REDBIRDS
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Posted by Steve on May 05, 1997 at 23:47:31:
In Reply to: [6]REDBIRDS posted by John on May 05, 1997 at 14:58:49:
The B division had ample cars to meet its' service requirements
without the R-27/30s. Since cars must be inspected and maintained on a
regular schedule (approximately 10K miles or 66 days), surplus cars
are not cost-effective to maintain (in most cases). In addition, the
27s/30s were not air conditioned and therefore would not be used
except during the winter.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: THE B TRAIN
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Posted by Steve on May 05, 1997 at 23:52:53:
In Reply to: [6]THE B TRAIN posted by John on May 05, 1997 at
11:47:31:
Actually, R-68As are being used on the 'B' line. (There is a
difference) 3 trains to be exact. They are there because during the
night hours 2 trains are cut into 4-car units and used for the OPTO
(One person Train Operation). The 3rd train is kept as a spare during
that time.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 06, 1997 at 10:24:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: REDBIRDS posted by Steve on May 05, 1997 at
23:47:31:
Alright, but why were the windows on most of the IRT Redbirds changed?
They used to have an upper half and a lower half, in which the upper
half could be slid down to open the window, but now, there is only a
small portion on the top that is turned inward to open.
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 06, 1997 at 10:27:43:
i am looking for a detailed routing list of all bus
subway specials including all routing details for the
last 3 yr.these are the bus shuttles put in place for
subway construction periods or special events
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POSTER>Ted Nielsen
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SUBJECT>N Line to La Guardia ?
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on May 06, 1997 at 11:09:32:
I would like to know if there are any plans to build an extension of
the N Line from its current terminus at Ditmars Blvd. in Astoria to
La Guardia Airport ? I would also like to know if there are any plans
to build a direct link between La Guardia and JFK ( via subway or LRT
) ?
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POSTER>Ted Nielsen
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SUBJECT>42nd Street LRT ?
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on May 06, 1997 at 11:17:14:
I heard somewhere that there is a plan to build a LRT line on 42nd
street
( the line would run along 42nd street and down 11th. Ave to the
Javits
Convention Center ) , is that true ? If it is , what is the current
status of the
project ? BTW , I can only imagine the traffic problems that would
occur
if this line was opened.
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POSTER>Kevin Walsh
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SUBJECT>Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR
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Posted by Kevin Walsh on March 14, 1997 at 00:13:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Peter Rosa
on March 08, 1997 at 20:14:46:
abandoned around 20 - 25 years ago due to low ridership, even thought
it wasn't particularly old.>>>
That would be the Woodhaven station; Woodside is currently undergoing
a major renovation.
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Posted by Dwayne J. Davis on May 06, 1997 at 11:58:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: what if & how much? posted by Zack on May 05, 1997
at 21:15:26:
Explain
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 06, 1997 at 13:39:08:
In Reply to: [6]42nd Street LRT ? posted by Ted Nielsen on May 06,
1997 at 11:17:14:
The last I heard, the 42nd Street light rail plan was still only in
the talking stage. I don't believe any contracts have been awarded
(except maybe for some feasability studies etc.), and there definitely
has been no actual construction.
In any event, a light rail line running at grade is at best an
imperfect solution to traffic problems.
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Posted by Liane Maier on May 06, 1997 at 14:24:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Steve on May
05, 1997 at 01:32:26:
Hi! I´m from Austria and I´m an "ilegal Graffithy - Sprayer". That
brought me a lot of problems with the Police! Der volle Scheiß!
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Posted by philip Nasadowski on May 06, 1997 at 16:36:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 42nd Street LRT ? posted by Peter Rosa on May 06,
1997 at 13:39:08:
*sigh* Why don't they just extend the damm #7 line and dump a few
extra trains onto it (and the shuttle). I say run the 7 out to Javits,
and then turn and go back east and downtown to Penn. Then we'll get a
needed connection to BOTH major rail stations, and a connection to
Javits from just about anywhere (Like Penn, 42nd st, GCT - which
covers the bulk of the major points).
Admittingly, it'd be difficult, cost $$$$, and turn the 7 into more of
a packed line, but it would not only tackle the most annoying
oversight in the system, but link up Javits too.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on May 06, 1997 at 16:42:50:
In Reply to: [6]what if & how much? posted by Dwayne J. Davis on May
05, 1997 at 13:56:43:
Ok - abandon the NY subway. How? It's simply too important of a system
to simply "replace"
As for DC type stations - it would be impossible. The NY subway is
right below street level in many places, whereas the D.C. system is
somewhere below the earth's crust.
Besides, why bother anyway? And what's with peoppl'es obsession with
D.C.'s system anyway?
It's damm small, it's stations are poorly lit (by NY standards and
certainly by Bart standards), and they are at the center of the earth.
Add the world's most bizzar fare structure and supereasy to hop
turnstiles to that....
And nevermind the fact that D.C.'s system isn't even a 24 hour
one.....
Why replace Ny's subways? They've done a remakeable job for the last
90+ years...
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on May 06, 1997 at 16:49:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses rosters posted by
trolleybus on May 02, 1997 at 14:39:51:
*sigh* (again)
Of course they are buying American - last time I checked, Canada was
STILL part of North America.
Heck - they'd STILL be buying "Amrican" if they were made in Mexico!
Please people - if you mean "Made in the US", say it - there's more to
America than just "US"!
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Posted by Andy on May 06, 1997 at 17:23:15:
In Reply to: [6]RE ACTIVATEING THE ROCKAWAY LINE posted by Warren on
May 04, 1997 at 21:13:08:
I am a Railroad Civil Engineering master's student, and have studied
this
line before. Let me point out a few things.
1) Penn Station doesn't have sufficient capacity for a new group of
trains
from the Rockaways. If it did, LIRR would put in more trains from
distant
points which they make more money on (Port Jeff, Ronkonkoma, etc.).
Possibly the ever mythical 5X switch woul help solve this (as would
the
throughrouting ideas presented below).
2) The idea of connnecting Kennedy is an excellent one, but the
all-knowing
Port Authority objects. I am sure you know of their harebrained
schemes.
3) A really smart connection to Kennedy would involve the following
elements:
a) Amtrak service from Boston via Hells Gate, and from Washington
Baltimore, Philly, Newark, via Penn Sta. This could be run like
Lufthansa trains to Dusseldorf and Cologne from Frankfurt.
b) An extension of New Jersey Transit NEC and Midtown Direct
service (thus helping eliminate the crowding problem at Penn Sta.,
which should be a through station) - (each half hourly).
c) Service from Babylon (the Hamptons even?) and Port Jeff/
Ronkonkoma and Hicksville to Kennedy (hourly).
This would result in every 15 minute service from Newark and New York,
every 30 minutes from Jamaica, and every hour (or two hours given the
demand) from Boston and Washington. All in all a train would be
arriving
and departing every 7.5 minutes.
To get faster service from the Rockaways, pressure needs to be placed
on
the MTA to get their act together and get their track and signal in
good
shape along the line and also to run expresses all the time.
Of course all of this would require a lot of interagency cooperation.
But
more agencies means more money available for the job.
Another idea which just ocurred to me would be to sell the Port
Authority
on the idea of running Newark Airport - Kennedy shuttles.
Best of Luck to you. I hope these ideas help.
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Posted by todd minsk on May 06, 1997 at 19:17:31:
In Reply to: [6]Car Equipment Diagrams posted by Charles on May 05,
1997 at 09:07:53:
The NY Transit Archives at 130 Livingston Street has a diagram book
that covers both the revenue and non-revenue equipment, though there
are some omissions. During a recent visit I was able to purchase
photocopies of parts of it.
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Posted by MJS on May 06, 1997 at 19:35:13:
In Reply to: [6]Secaucus Connection posted by Sean Goldman on May 03,
1997 at 17:12:56:
There will be no such thing! What will be is a transfer station so
people can make the transfer between the northern lines and the trains
to penn.
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POSTER>Arthur Jacobs
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Posted by Arthur Jacobs on May 06, 1997 at 19:38:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 42nd Street LRT ? posted by philip Nasadowski on
May 06, 1997 at 16:36:14:
If I remember correctly the plan for a LRT was cancelled a while back
as being
too expensive.
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POSTER>Kevin Walsh
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Posted by Kevin Walsh on March 14, 1997 at 00:16:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Tim on
March 07, 1997 at 12:08:37:
where to find an old map like that of the LIRR? >>>
Ron Ziel's book Victorian LIRR Staions has an old LIRR map on the
endpaper showing many former LIRR stations in Queens.
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Posted by Steve on May 06, 1997 at 19:50:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: REDBIRDS posted by John on May 06, 1997 at
10:24:30:
Several years ago, the TA was mandated to change to FRA II glass. At
that time several things were considered when the glass was ordered;
First, standardization to limit the number different types of glass
which had to be ordered.
Second, the safety issue. Limit the size of the opening to prevent
objects from being thrown out and to keep various body parts inside.
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Posted by Steve on May 06, 1997 at 19:57:26:
In Reply to: [6]RE ACTIVATEING THE ROCKAWAY LINE posted by Warren on
May 04, 1997 at 21:13:08:
If they re-build it, will they (the riders) come? Remember that the
line was closed because the bridge burnt down but the LIRR had no
interest in rebuilding because of low ridership. (At that time the
LIRR was a profit driven organization) The current service from the
Rockaways is far more utilitarian with numerous stops in downtown
Brooklyn and lower Manhattan.
To reopen the line through the White Pot underjump would provide
riders just to alternatives, Woodside or Penn Station.
I agree that the ROW should be put to use but not with service to the
Rockaways. Perhaps a LRV system from JFK to LaGuardia, Manhattan and
Newark could be anchored by that long dis-used line.
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Posted by Steve on May 06, 1997 at 20:01:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Liane Maier
on May 06, 1997 at 14:24:05:
Greetings from NY City. As a person who deals with the daily realities
of graffiti & vandalism I can only pity you and hope that you wake up
and grow up.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 06, 1997 at 22:41:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Gerry
O'Regan on May 04, 1997 at 20:22:08:
The R33 and R36 cars are not always confined to the Flushing line --
it's not that unusual to see them on the 6, as well as regular IRT
stock on the Flushing. Which begs the question: shouldn't this be
something of a safety problem? Do they make sure that the respective
rolling stock, if switched, is never used at the ends of the train? I
seem to remember a time (during the late 80's?) when the 1 or 6 had a
full train of Flushing cars running on occasion.
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 07, 1997 at 00:37:03:
In Reply to: [6]track maps amtrak newark station posted by steve
lowenthal on May 04, 1997 at 00:20:21:
correction,,,loooking for new track maps of the new
amtrack monorail connection at new airport near
haynes avenue
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 07, 1997 at 09:06:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 42nd Street LRT ? posted by philip Nasadowski on
May 06, 1997 at 16:36:14:
From what I heard, extending the 7 west could pose a problem, as I
hear the tunnel ends not too far from Times Square thanks to a
building blocking its path... comments, anyone?
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Posted by Todd Glickman on May 07, 1997 at 09:15:10:
The May edition of the "The Bulletin" of the New York Division of the
Electric Railroaders' Association has an article on a scenario for car
assignments when the 63rd Street connection (and resumption of service
on the southern side of the Manhattan Bridge) is in effect, circa
2001. The article states this is VERY PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO
CHANGE.
The highlights include 136 cars of R-143 ("new technology") cars for
the L, and 48 R-143 cars for the M. M service would be rounded out
with R-42s. Current R-68/68As assigned to the N would move to the Q
for the increased 63rd St. service; the N would then have 90 R-32s, 50
slant R-40s, and 140 R-42s, for an interesting mix of equipment!
The article states that in this proposal, the Q would be extended to
179 St., but it does not say what its route would be in Manhattan, nor
what happens to the E, F, G, or R. One source has told me that when
the southern side of the Manhattan Bridge reopens, the Q might be
rerouted from Queens down Broadway via the express tracks, then over
the Manhattan Bridge.
By the way, if you are not a member of NYD/ERA, they publish an
excellent monthly newsletter. Dues is $30 per year, and includes
admission to their monthly meetings. For information, you can write to
NYD/ERA, P.O. Box 3001, New York, NY 10008-3001.
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 07, 1997 at 09:24:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Lefty on May
04, 1997 at 20:02:19:
The "fix up" you are proposing not only involves fixing up the
stations, but some tracks as well. Take the Flushing line (7), for
example. It has some nearly 90-degree curves traveling westbound (into
Manhattan) between Queensboro Plaza and Hunters Point Boulevard (about
3 sets, if I'm not mistaken), and another sharp curve prior to
entering Times Square.
Although I haven't traveled much of the rest of the IRT (short of the
1 between South Ferry and 225th Street), I'm pretty sure curves such
as the ones I described on the 7 are present elsewhere on the IRT.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 07, 1997 at 09:34:29:
In Reply to: [6]63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by Todd
Glickman on May 07, 1997 at 09:15:10:
Thanks for the info. It will indeed be interesting to see what happens
when the 63rd St connection is completed. I'm sure the Q will
eventually be rerouted (or returned) to the Broadway Express/South
side Manhattan Bridge since that's where it originally operated. I'm
curious about it's role in Queens. I thought that the Queens Blvd-IND
was pretty much overcrowded in terms of the trains already there. I
guess something has to give - and would the Q operate via express or
local. Even if some trains are turned at Continental Avenue, it still
seems like it will be awfully crowded along the line.
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on May 07, 1997 at 10:48:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: what if & how much? posted by Philip Nasadowski on
May 06, 1997 at 16:42:50:
You said it!! DC's subway (AKA METRO) is so small that the work
diesels have had the cabs cut down so far to clear that the poor
engineer has to sit on the floor to run it. An IRT Composite wouldn't
fit, neither would an all-electric 9' wide P.C.C.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 14, 1997 at 10:54:49:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR track goop!!! posted by philip nasadowski on
March 13, 1997 at 20:51:36:
My, you are observant! I know what these are, but have never spotted
them. They are curve oilers, a rather common railroad item, and both
reduce wear, and help quiet squealing wheels on tight curves.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 07, 1997 at 12:00:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 42nd Street LRT ? posted by Julio Perez on May 07,
1997 at 09:06:42:
The lower level of the 42nd Street IND station blocks the westward
extension of the 7 train. Removing this level shouldn't be any big
deal, however, as it's been abandoned for years. Still heading west, a
7 extension then might be blocked by some underground fuel tanks at
the Port Authority Bus Terminal. There's some question about their
exact location, however. If these tanks are indeed in the way, moving
them no doubt could be expensive.
I'm not sure if any of the Lincoln Tunnel approaches could interfere
with a 7 extension.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 07, 1997 at 13:28:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by
Wayne Johnson on May 07, 1997 at 09:34:29:
I think the Q is going to run local in Queens when the 63rd ST
connection opens up, and it is supposed to return as the Broadway
Express when the SOuth side of the Brooklyn Bridge opens up.
The Queens express is already at capacity in terms of trains per hour
so I don't think there's any room for a 3rd. The G train may have its
terminus permanently at Court Square as well, though that's just
speculation, to allow the Q to enter Queens Blvd service.
--Mark
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Posted by who ever on May 07, 1997 at 14:22:47:
I AM A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL THAT HAS A REPORT ON SUBWAYS IF ANY ONE HAS AN
INFO CONTACKT ME
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 07, 1997 at 16:37:44:
In Reply to: [5]subways posted by who ever on May 07, 1997 at
14:22:47:
I know quite a lot about subways (especially the New York Subway).
What exactly are you trying to find out?
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Posted by Blaise Dupuy on May 07, 1997 at 16:40:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 42nd Street LRT ? posted by Peter Rosa on May 06,
1997 at 13:39:08:
From New York Streetcar News Vol IV, No 2 - April '97
42nd St. Trolley Update: After a series of delays, the final
feasibitity study for the 42nd St. light rail line will be launched
shortly, according to sorces close to the project. As previously
reported here, the federally funded study, focusing on utility
relocation, will bring prospective bidders, the affected utility
firms, and relevant government officials together with representatives
from cities which have actually built successful light rail systems.
Transit foes, who have managed to delay the light rail initiative for
nearly three years through lawsuits and other obstacles, now seek to
derail thr project altogether by asserting that the cost of relocating
utilities has been vastly understated. If the five-month study
concludes that related utility costs are not prohibitive, Mayor
Giuliani is expected to give the light rail project his full support.
To subscribe to Streetcar News (IMHO, a great publication) contact:
Committee for Better Transit Inc. Box 3106, Long Island City, NY 11103
(718) 728-0091
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Posted by John on May 07, 1997 at 16:48:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Julio Perez
on May 07, 1997 at 09:24:05:
There is also a sharp curve in the Bronx on the 2/5 line on the ascent
from the tunnel onto the elevated line. Also, on the BMT N and R line,
there is a sharp curve between Cortlandt St and City Hall, and also
between Court Street and Lawrence St.
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Posted by Shig on May 07, 1997 at 18:28:14:
Are there any grade crossings in NYC subway?
If there are some, how is the third rail located near the crossing?
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Posted by Bill on May 07, 1997 at 18:41:47:
In Reply to: [5]Grade crossing ? posted by Shig on May 07, 1997 at
18:28:14:
There are no grade crossings. If there were, the thrid rail would have
a gap were the road would cross the track. Cables would run under road
and connect to the other third rail to have a a compleat curcit.
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Posted by Allan on May 07, 1997 at 19:41:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subways posted by John on May 07, 1997 at
16:37:44:
A lot of us know a great deal about subways (and have a lot of reading
material to refer to as well.
Give us your questions and we will do our best to answer them.
BTW - if you are in NYC, a good place to visit is the NY Transit
Museum in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Steve on May 07, 1997 at 19:43:52:
In Reply to: [6]Grade crossing ? posted by Shig on May 07, 1997 at
18:28:14:
The last grade crossing on the NYCT (on a public street) was on the
Canarsie 'L' line at the north end of the 105th St station. It was
eliminated about 20 years ago. At the crossing, the 3rd rail was
discontinued from one side of the road to another. Such gaps are
common and pose no operational problems. The LIRR does the same.
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Posted by John on March 14, 1997 at 18:56:38:
In Reply to: [5]2nd avenue subway posted by Emily Michaud on March 08,
1997 at 13:28:10:
If, by some wild chance, the MTA decides to finally build the 2nd
Avenue subway, I don't know what type of equipment will be used, but I
do know that the old R-11 cars (the ones with the two circle windows
on the door leafs) were origionally destined for the 2nd Avenue
subway, but since it was never built, the R-11s weren't heavilly used.
Maybe if the MTA builds a 2nd Avenue subway, they will re-commission
the R-11s?
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Posted by Steve on May 07, 1997 at 19:49:28:
In Reply to: [5]63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by Todd
Glickman on May 07, 1997 at 09:15:10:
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Posted by Steve on May 07, 1997 at 20:06:10:
In Reply to: [6]63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by Todd
Glickman on May 07, 1997 at 09:15:10:
Thanks for the new info, Todd. I believe that extending the Q train to
Continental Ave. makes more sense for 2 critical reasons. They are:
1) Having the Q & F start out at 179th St would amount to almost a
duplicate service. The Q entering Manhattan on 63rd St. while the F at
53rd St. From there they would both travel down 6th Ave in Manhattan.
In Brooklyn they would run on parallel lines blocks apart. Having the
R start at 179th St. would offer riders a real choice in service from
the terminal.
2) Having the Q and F terminate at 179th St and the E from Parsons
Blvd. would mean that trains leaving Jamaica Yard for those services
would all have to use 9 lead out of the yard. This would mean that
every Qs (there will be 14 of them) would have to cross over the 5 & 6
lead tracks to get out of the yard. This would slow the other services
also going into service via 5 and 6 leads.
3) At the end of the PM rush hour, the opposite would be true. There
would be a conga line of trains from 179th St and Parsons Blvd.
waiting to get into the yard. This would block D3 track. As it is, the
Jamaica Yd. leads look like the LIE at rush hour when the trains are
laying up after PM service.
BTW the proposed car assignments are very interesting.
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Posted by Tom Van Etten on May 07, 1997 at 20:41:58:
I am trying to find a PF book with short story about a time travel
between
Times Square and Willets Point (prior to Shea Stadium) If this cought
your
eye please check out Sub Talk achives for 4/24/97 for more details.
Thank
you,Tom.
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Posted by Roger Leonard on May 08, 1997 at 02:56:26:
In Reply to: [6]N Line to La Guardia ? posted by Ted Nielsen on May
06, 1997 at 11:09:32:
5-8-97
I've heard about the N-line extension to LaGuardia, altho I don't
recall where I read the information. I'll search my archives (I'm a
railfarn) and get back to you. The LaGuardia-to-JFK has been in the
discussion stage for awhile. Think I may also have some info on that
as well. I'll have more time to do some research over the weekend.
Talk to you in a bit!
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Posted by Roger Leonard on May 08, 1997 at 03:13:05:
In Reply to: [6]Keranu's "numerous questions" #s 21 and 23 posted by
Peter Rosa on May 01, 1997 at 23:52:29:
5-8-97
Hi Peter!
You posed an interesting question about weekend service to Broad
Street with the attempted residential boom that's supposed to sweep
the Wall Street area. I work in same and for the life of me I can't
see how anyone would want to live there, the area is just so bland.
But the opening of weekend service would certainly be welcomed by
those hearty souls (or duressed) that work on Saturdays and Sundays.
Thank heaven I'm not one of them!
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Posted by Roger Leonard on May 08, 1997 at 03:22:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rochester Subway posted by Joe Barnes on May 01,
1997 at 13:44:57:
5-8-97
There's a really neat video entitled, 'The End Of The Line -
Rochester's Subway', packed full of historical footage. The address on
the back of the video is:
Animatus Studio
Rochester, NY
You might want to drop them a line; I forgot what I paid for this
tape, but it wasn't a lot.
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Posted by Shig on May 08, 1997 at 10:42:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Steve on May 07, 1997
at 19:43:52:
Does LIRR (or PATH) still have grade crossings on a track with the
third rail?
I wonder if such crossings may have problems with careless people
getting electric shocks from the third rail. Do they take any special
measures to prevent people from coming into tracks at crossings?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 08, 1997 at 11:19:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Shig on May 08, 1997 at
10:42:48:
The LIRR has many grade crossings on its third-rail lines. There's a
gap in the third rail at these crossings, extending some distance on
either side of the road to avoid danger to pedestrians. Trains are
long enough that the third-rail gaps don't present a problem; even
though a few shoes may lose contact with the third rail, enough will
remain in contact that the train continues to take power.
Metro-North has some similar crossings on the Harlem (and maybe the
Hudson) line. I don't believe PATH has any grade crossings, though I'm
not certain.
Going back to the original posting in this thread, while the subway no
longer has any grade crossings on revenue tracks, I have heard that
there is a grade crossing (maybe two) on a yard lead at the 241st
Street yard of the 2 train in the Bronx. I haven't been up by that
yard in a long time, however, so I don't know for sure.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 08, 1997 at 13:18:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Rochester Subway posted by Joe Barnes on May 01,
1997 at 13:44:57:
I just saw a book on the Rochester Subway at last week's East Penn
Traction Show, but I can't remember its title. An outfit like Ron's
Books or Kevin T Farrell would likely have it - I believe both
advertise in the major model railroad magazines like Model Railroader
or Railroad Model Craftsman.
--Mark
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Posted by Steve on May 08, 1997 at 13:35:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Shig on May 08, 1997 at
10:42:48:
Many yards have grade crossings. Jamaica, Pitkin and 207th St. are the
first to come to mind.
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Posted by John on March 14, 1997 at 19:02:30:
In Reply to: [5]IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Gary Jacobi on March
04, 1997 at 17:25:49:
I tell you, Gary, you can never expect the MTA to be organized and
competant. You expect answers from them about proposed subway plans?
Good luck! The reason why the subway is half of what it would have
been is a combination of poor planning, beurocracy, and the fact that
the MTA seems to have a tradition of screwing up.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on May 08, 1997 at 14:12:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Peter Rosa on May 08,
1997 at 11:19:54:
The LIRR has plent of grade crossings. At the crossing, about a few
feet from where it begins - the third rail ends - and then begins at
the other side - look closely, and you'll notice that the ends are
curved to ensure correct pickup of the shoes. This is also done at
track switches. As long as the gap isn't too long (though the gaps at
Jamacia sure are close..), the train can go along, stop, and even
start up again. This is partly because each car has shoes on both
sides of both trucks, but also because the other cars will still have
power, and can pull "dead" cars along. I believe that M-1's are
supposed to be able to do 80 mph with half the cars dead...
Oh yeah, MN's New Haven line has catenary gaps in it - the wire is
lifted to the point where the Pantagraph no longer can reach it - most
noteable at bridges. Also note the lights flashing on Slamtrak trains
approaching Hell's Gate bridge from LI. Does anyone know if Penn is
still 25 cycle 11k?
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I love the metro in Washington D.C. go to the website WWW.WMATA.COM
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 08, 1997 at 16:00:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by
Wayne Johnson on May 07, 1997 at 09:34:29:
I would doubt that the Queens Blvd line could handle more than four
services, so something will have to give, probably the G. In any
event, connecting the 63rd St. Tunnel to that route is a lousy
substitute for a new route into Queens, which is what the tunnle was
intended for in the first place. The implication of all discussion on
this subject is that the Q will feed in east of Queens Plaza. In this
scenario, its biggest effect will be to draw passengers from the R
which is already the lightest of the three existing QB routes which
feed Manhattan. Meanwhile, customers for Brooklyn west of Roosevelt
Av. will have to take the R, change to the E/F, and then to the G.
This won't help the E/F or the G very much, making the already crowded
express train make longer stops at QP and 23Ely.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 08, 1997 at 16:11:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Philip Nasadowski on
May 08, 1997 at 14:12:59:
If you want to see rapid transit with grade crossings try Chicago. The
outer ends of the Ravenswood and Douglas lines both have a good share
of them. As with the LIRR, there are long gaps. Some crossings have
devices to make it difficult to walk in on the tracks, while others
have side gates which block the crossing when the main gates are up.
Some are just plain crossings...
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 08, 1997 at 16:16:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Philip Nasadowski on
May 08, 1997 at 14:12:59:
[re LIRR grade crossings]
In addition to a large number in Nassau and Suffolk counties, the LIRR
has one grade crossing on a third-railed line within NYC limits. The
Port Washington line crosses Little Neck Parkway immediately to the
west of the Little Neck station. The road doesn't seem to be too
heavily traveled in the section by the crossing.
There also are a number of LIRR grade crossings in Queens (and maybe
Brooklyn) located on unpowered, lightly used freight lines. In
addition, the South Brooklyn Railroad, or whatever it's called these
days, has a grade crossing on Third Avenue in Brooklyn, in front of
the Costco store; this crossing connects the subway (B line) with
carfloat docks and is used for delivery of rolling stock.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 08, 1997 at 17:31:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Gerry O'Regan on May
08, 1997 at 16:11:05:
Grade crossings also exist on Evanston-Wilmette branch, near where I
live.
There are two, between Linden and Central stations, at the
northernmost end of the line. Cyclone-fence-type gates block the
tracks (there are two tracks) and swing open to allow passage of the
train as well as block off the cross streets. Third rails are not
covered here in Chi-town, as the shoes hang down rather than stick
out.
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Posted by MJS on May 08, 1997 at 19:06:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Philip Nasadowski on
May 08, 1997 at 14:12:59:
What grudge do you hold against the National Railroad Passenger
Company?
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Posted by John on May 08, 1997 at 23:36:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Randall Raymond on May 03, 1997 at 12:21:31:
THat's trival. What NYC needs is
a)LIRR to East Side (not nessarily GCT)
b)2nd Av Subway
c)Service to Javits Center
d)Direct subway to LGA and JFK
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Posted by lou sherwood on May 09, 1997 at 11:40:58:
does anybody know the schedules of the 110-110as???are they still
running??//would appreciate the info!!!
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Posted by jIM on May 09, 1997 at 14:13:10:
In Reply to: [5]r 110-110as posted by lou sherwood on May 09, 1997 at
11:40:58:
The phone #s for the Line Superintendents are posted in virtually
every subway car. Get the #s for the A line and the #2 line and call.
They WILL have the schedules if the trains are running. The 110b
leaves 207th St in the morning about 6:15 am when it is running.
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Posted by David J. Greenberger on February 28, 1997 at 16:16:39:
In Reply to: [6]light bulbs posted by Bobby Steels on February 27,
1997 at 22:22:23:
: does anyone know the answer to this question? i was told
: that in New York subway systems, they had a problem
: with light bulb theft, so they altered the design
: of the lights to prevent this. how did they do it
: without moving the lights higher or putting screens
: over them? i was told it was a real story, and if any
: one knows the answer, can you please please email me?
: cdnppp@cdngate.cdn.ca? thanks
According to my tour guide at the NYC Transit Museum last summer,
the thread is reversed. That is, counterclockwise is in,
clockwise is out. Thus the light bulbs are useless anywhere else,
and the purpose of stealing them is eliminated.
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Posted by John on March 14, 1997 at 19:11:35:
In Reply to: [5]problems with ny subway system posted by malcolm on
March 03, 1997 at 17:25:10:
Problems with the Subway? Hmmm, where should I start? Well, for one
thing, it's almost impossable for out-of-towners (or unexperienced
subway riders period) to get to their destination trouble-free. Small
construction projects here and there always have local trains skipping
certain stops, transfers are very rarely available to trains
travelling the opposite direction, steps can be very steep at certain
stations, the new tiles that the MTA are installing tend to resemble
an ice-skating rink, and the one problem (call it a problem if you
wish - it really isn't one) that really bugs me is about the trains.
Compare a picture of an R-30 series of R-40 series subway car (just to
name a few) taken 20 years ago with one taken recently. You might find
the recent picture of the train to be much uglier, thanks to the MTA
screwing up once again. This time, it was in the late 1980s, when the
MTA rebuilt most of the fleet of subway cars.
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Posted by Jim on May 09, 1997 at 14:19:32:
What do you suppose would happen if the new NYCT Vacuum Train was
delivered, off-loaded onto the tracks, went 60 feet and derailed?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 09, 1997 at 14:57:13:
In Reply to: [6]r 110-110as posted by lou sherwood on May 09, 1997 at
11:40:58:
I have caught the R-110B at 207th street more than once at 3:30 PM,
but that was more than a year ago.
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Posted by Lefty on May 09, 1997 at 15:06:47:
In Reply to: [6]Vacuum Train posted by Jim on May 09, 1997 at
14:19:32:
whats a vacuum train?
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Posted by Dan Weissmann on May 09, 1997 at 15:12:07:
I'm planning a trip to Florida and will be going through Jacksonville.
I heard they've got either a light rail line or people mover there and
would like to check it out. Does anyone know if my info is correct?
Thanks!
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 09, 1997 at 16:50:16:
In Reply to: [6]Jacksonville posted by Dan Weissmann on May 09, 1997
at 15:12:07:
ya..its a "people mover"(i hate people movers).Anyway,I doubt if its
much to see,they personally make me sick.
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 09, 1997 at 17:33:36:
Are there any Web Sites that have photos of the CTA trains?
I know that the CTa web site at Transitchicago doesn't have any. The
Cta enthusiasts page does have some. Are there any others with photos?
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 09, 1997 at 17:33:38:
Are there any Web Sites that have photos of the CTA trains?
I know that the CTa web site at Transitchicago doesn't have any. The
Cta enthusiasts page does have some. Are there any others with photos?
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Posted by Lefty on May 09, 1997 at 17:34:27:
according to my bus driver on the way home from school, new york city
wont be running any low floor busses because there is a step up in the
middle of the bus and since so many people on NYC buses stand up, this
would be dangerous. there are busses in testing though.. do you think
thats a good enough excuse not to have the convenience of low floor
busses?
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 09, 1997 at 18:24:31:
In Reply to: [6]Low floor buses and NYCT just dont mix posted by Lefty
on May 09, 1997 at 17:34:27:
I don't know about that but what I do know is that low-floor buses are
the most oquired(im a terrible speller) ugly things I've ever seen,who
cares If there nifty and you get to save your breath with all of those
2 steps.Chicago has about 60 or so and I sure do hope they don't order
any more because I detest them.Anyway....I just had to get that out.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 09, 1997 at 18:27:07:
In Reply to: [6]Photos of the CTA posted by Brian Jakosz on May 09,
1997 at 17:33:36:
That would be cool if the New York City Subway Resources would have
some.....(hint,hint.)
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 09, 1997 at 18:32:15:
Do you know exactly how many IRT stations through Manhattan have been
fully restored with restored tilework,ceilings,staircases,and a real
good cleaning,etc.?
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Posted by John on May 09, 1997 at 22:53:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Low floor buses and NYCT just dont mix posted by
Bryan Layne on May 09, 1997 at 18:24:31:
I totally agree with you. I hate low-floor busses for that same
reason: they are ugly. I was in Chicago about a year ago and I did
ride in a couple of the low-floors on the #151 (I think). The busses
are too low to the ground and there's something about them that's just
not right.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 09, 1997 at 22:59:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Vacuum Train posted by Lefty on May 09, 1997 at
15:06:47:
A vacuum train is a train that literally vacuums the tracks. The TA is
ordering them because a recent study revealed that the subway was
filthy (they're just realizing it now? Where the hell have they been
for 90 years?). If the vacuum train were to travel 60 feet and derail,
God knows what the TA will do, since I've been trying to figure out
their logic ever since I started riding the subway. Knowing them,
they'd probably leave the train there and let it rot for 50 years.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 09, 1997 at 23:06:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by John on May 08, 1997 at 23:36:54:
AND a subway link to Staten Island.
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Posted by Tony Rohling on May 09, 1997 at 23:06:52:
I am interested in hearing from anyone with info on the various forms
of rail transit that ran across the Brooklyn Bridge. These indluded
the original cable trains, trolleys and BMT elevated lines. Are there
any online photos or maps?
Thanks.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 10, 1997 at 08:14:41:
In Reply to: [5]Low floor buses and NYCT just dont mix posted by Lefty
on May 09, 1997 at 17:34:27:
If you want to see low floor buses in NYC, venture over to Roosevelt
Island. The low floor Flyers make up their shuttle bus fleet. When
Roosevelt Island first opened in 1975, they used to use electric buses
with massive batteries, then school buses, etc.
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POSTER>David Steckler
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Posted by David Steckler on May 10, 1997 at 11:28:47:
In Reply to: [6]Brooklyn Bridge Trains posted by Tony Rohling on May
09, 1997 at 23:06:52:
Tony,
Check out the book, "The Brooklyn Elevated," by James Greller and
Edward Watson. It has a section just on this topic, including pictures
of the Park Row terminal.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 10, 1997 at 15:42:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Vacuum Train posted by John on May 09, 1997 at
22:59:05:
Sounds like another attempt to reinvent the wheel to me. The TA had a
vacuum train back in the 1960s. If memory serves me right, it couldn't
hack the subway filth.
Here in Boston we had vacuum LRVs. The streetcar design from hell had
its motor ventilation intakes at track level. Sucked the steel dust
right into the location where it could do the most damage!
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on May 10, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos of the CTA posted by Bryan Layne on May 09,
1997 at 18:27:07:
Contributions are welcome! None of us live in or near Chicago so don't
expect a field trip soon, but if anyone has some, send 'em on in.
--Dave
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Posted by Dan Weissmann on May 10, 1997 at 16:28:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jacksonville posted by Bryan Layne on May 09, 1997
at 16:50:16:
Do you know if it's an airport pm or does it actually go around the
city?
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Posted by John Ohanian on March 14, 1997 at 19:30:49:
I don't know about you, but I really miss the old cars (the post R-10
cars, anyway). The oldest car currently in revenue service are the
R-26, R-29, R-33, and R-36 IRT Redbirds, which are probably endangered
by the new R-110 car. Another thing I miss are the old interiors of
the cars. I think the rubber frame around the door windows are much
better than the steel frames. And what about the straps? They replaced
the straps in just about all the cars (except the Redbirds) with poles
and bars. I like the straps much better! I could go on and on about
the things I miss, such as the large door windows on the R-40s
(replaced by smaller, older-looking windows). And what has the MTA
done with the R-32? They killed it! All the original charm - the deep
blue doors, the head signs, the light blue and white interior, the
straps - all lost through a transformation into the blandest, ugliest
piece-of-crap that ever hit the NYC Subway tracks.
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on May 10, 1997 at 17:25:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jacksonville posted by Dan Weissmann on May 10,
1997 at 16:28:00:
Dan ,
the people mover goes around the city ( I saw a special report on
ABC News a few months ago about how tax payers are paying for
this transit system which isn't attracting enough riders in the
segment
: Its your Money ).
Ted
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on May 10, 1997 at 17:35:43:
Is there a possibility of building a Newark Airport loop by the
Northeast
Corridor Line with a station under the terminal ? This station could
be
served by NJ Transit and Amtrak ( with direct connections to Manhattan
and other destinations in the Northeast ). I also heard about a Newark
Airport people mover extension to a transfer station on the Northeast
Corridor Line , is that true ? What option would be better ?
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Posted by Zack on May 10, 1997 at 18:28:23:
would it be cool if the nyct made all of its lines&trains atomatic
witout crew. they would be controlled by computers kinda like the
docklands rwy&BC's Sky Train (please excuse my spelling)
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Posted by Lefty on May 10, 1997 at 18:48:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Vacuum Train posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 10,
1997 at 15:42:26:
well why didnt they think of this a WHILE ago? there are many
potential problems though, like will the machine break if it sucks up
a rat? most of the garbage in between the tracks is like embeded there
too and it wont be able to be sucked up.. but it probably will improve
the cleanliness, and possibly smell, of the stations alot..
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Posted by Lefty on May 10, 1997 at 18:51:01:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Atuomateion posted by Zack on May 10, 1997 at
18:28:23:
it would be absolutely terrible.. the loss of too many jobs.. and
anyway, dont u feel safer on the subway with a conductor? also,
computers are good, but in many cases human judgement is alot better..
the only thing that should be automated (which it will be) is the
announcement of stops, cuz we cant understand the conductors as it
is..
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POSTER>Pat Villani
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Posted by Pat Villani on May 10, 1997 at 18:57:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Car Equipment Diagrams posted by todd minsk on May
06, 1997 at 19:17:31:
I recently spoke to a woman at the archives who told me that this
information was _not_ available, but that a book would be available in
October containing this information.
Who did you contact to get these photocopies?
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on May 10, 1997 at 19:11:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Vacuum Train posted by Lefty on May 10, 1997 at
18:48:05:
Actually, a vacuum train is a train that SUCKS!!! :)
(sorry, couldn't resist!)
On the Subj of the LRV - I think that train represents all that's
wrong with U.S. industry
I.e>, make it higher tech than needed, expensive, and single supplyer
dependant....
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Posted by Pat Villani on May 10, 1997 at 19:15:02:
I've been a NYC subway fan since I was a teen and recently started the
design of an HO layout. I've started with building some R21 models and
I'm also building some freelance el structures to test various ideas.
So, I've been researching various elevated lines through published
photographs and I'll be taking photos later this month of several
lines. However, I have no dimensional references for any of the
structures other than what I've approximated from photographs.
Anyone know of a source for this type of information? The NY Transit
Museum archive doesn't have anything.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 10, 1997 at 22:04:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Atuomateion posted by Lefty on May 10, 1997
at 18:51:01:
Yeah, but the squak of the conductors adds effect to the subway
environment.
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Posted by John on May 10, 1997 at 22:14:16:
In the 1980s, when the TA started rebuilding the subway cars, I
remember that they painted some of the cars [that are now Redbirds]
dark green, while others were painted red. Then, they repainted all of
them red. Is there a particular reason why red was chosen? Why didn't
they keep the trains that were green, green? And also, was there any
other color that was debated over for the rebuilt trains?
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POSTER>Steve Kreisler
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Posted by Steve Kreisler on March 14, 1997 at 23:58:57:
In Reply to: [6]New York Subway Equipment posted by John Ohanian on
March 14, 1997 at 19:30:49:
Just to clarify one thing that you said; There will be no other R110s.
The new contracts will be R142 on the 'A' division and R143 for the
'B' division.
Otherwise, I agree with much of what you say, however, keep in mind,
not all red birds were always red birds. At one time 452 of them were
delivered with a Blue and white paint scheme for the worlds fair.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 10, 1997 at 23:32:28:
In Reply to: [6]Green -- Red -- ? posted by John on May 10, 1997 at
22:14:16:
I read that they somehow remembered that they were once painted red(in
a variety of shades) and a can of red was sent up from Philly and they
decided to paint them red.
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Posted by Zack on May 11, 1997 at 01:41:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Atuomateion posted by John on May 10, 1997
at 22:04:20:
keep the conductor get rid of the engneer it maght actully be safer
too (the nycta doesent want to to be in the black now !)
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Posted by Alex Adleman on May 11, 1997 at 11:58:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by
Mark S Feinman on May 07, 1997 at 13:28:02:
Wow! The Brooklyn Bridge? I didn't even know it was closed!
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Posted by David R. Steckler on May 11, 1997 at 14:19:52:
In Reply to: [6]El Structure info posted by Pat Villani on May 10,
1997 at 19:15:02:
A few years ago there was an article in either MR or RMC about El
structures, unfortunately I don't remember which magazine or which
issue. Perhaps some other board browse has the back issue index and
they can steer you in the correct direction.
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Posted by Jim on May 11, 1997 at 20:37:38:
In Reply to: [5]Green -- Red -- ? posted by John on May 10, 1997 at
22:14:16:
The green was known as Restoration Green. It was used mostly on the
R-10s. The IRT cars, as I remember, were painted white (especially on
the #7 line). I think that was to send a message to the graffiti
criminals. Red was settled on because it was the original color of the
33s and 36s except for the Flushing Line cars which were light blue
and beige-white. Those 33s & 36s were probably the best looking cars
ever to run in the system.
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Posted by Steve on May 11, 1997 at 20:49:23:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Atuomateion posted by Zack on May 10, 1997 at
18:28:23:
The TA has experimented with automated trains in the past. There was
an automated train on the Time Square-Grand Central Shuttle which
caught fire and destroyed the Grand Central Station. The damage was so
severe, the street buckled. (the fire was probably not due to the
automation) Then there were the R-46s. They had ATO (Automatic Train
Control) and were designed to be driverless (sought of) but they would
routinely drop into 37n mode and limp back to the yard at 5 MPH. The
ATO was ultimately removed.
However, technology has come a long way. Actually, the thing standing
in the way of automation is where would the funding come from? One of
the little known sections of the Urban Mass Transit Act of 1964,
section 13C states that federal monies will not be given to bring in
'new technologies' if those new technologies will result in a loss of
jobs. Therefore, the NYCT could get the money to automate but would
have to keep the train crews. That being the case, why spend the money
on something that would add to maintenance costs and provide no
operational $avings?
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 11, 1997 at 21:34:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by David R. Steckler on
May 11, 1997 at 14:19:52:
The best place to go to study this would be here in Chicago where I'm
from.
The green line which is Elevated above Lake Street and goes to the
Loop and then to 63rd/Ashland or 63/Cottage Grove was just re-built.
It was completly re-built and just was re-opened. It has been
operating since the re-opening for about a year.
AnyWay my point is that the whole EL structure that holds the tracks
up was re-placed. May-be that can help you?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 11, 1997 at 22:08:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Green -- Red -- ? posted by Jim on May 11, 1997 at
20:37:38:
Actually,to be more specific,the el structure was not replaced it was
refurbished.The refurbishment included column base replacement(the
weak and crumbling ones),some column replacement(very weak and
deteriorating ones),and new track and ties(im not sure,but I think
they used welded rails),also electrical systems were upgraded.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 11, 1997 at 22:18:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Green -- Red -- ? posted by Bryan Layne on May 11,
1997 at 22:08:53:
This is going to sound really stupid but I accidently posted this
follow up to the wrong post.....its supposed to be a response to "El
Structure info" posted by Brian Jakosz.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 11, 1997 at 22:19:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Green -- Red -- ? posted by Bryan Layne on May 11,
1997 at 22:08:53:
This is going to sound really stupid but I accidently posted this
follow up to the wrong post.....its supposed to be a response to "El
Structure info" posted by Brian Jakosz.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 15, 1997 at 10:55:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on March 14, 1997
at 18:56:38:
Recommission the R-11's? there's only 1 left!
(there were only 10 to begin with).
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 11, 1997 at 22:21:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by Brian Jakosz on May
11, 1997 at 21:34:23:
look at the post above "Oooops!" by me.....
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Posted by John on May 11, 1997 at 22:42:19:
What was the story with the circular windows on the doors (the R-11,
R-15, R-16, and R-17 had them - the R-11 & R-15 had them on the end
doors and the side doors, but the -16 and -17 only had them on the end
doors). Why did the TA return to square/rectangular windows later and
the circular windows never seen again? Also, there were (at least)
three different types of straps. One was kind of curved (on the R-10s,
R-16s, and R17s), the ones with small loops, and the big loops (which
are the current ones). If the straps were to return on the new trains,
what kind do you think we will see?
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Posted by Steve on May 12, 1997 at 00:00:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Jacksonville posted by Ted Nielsen on May 10, 1997
at 17:25:47:
I hear from relatives in Jacksonville that the system popularity is
growing. In fact, the system is being expanded. I see nothing wrong
with people movers. They serve a need. Miami has one that works
hand-in-hand with their heavy rail system. There PMs at several major
airports including Orlando and DFW.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 12, 1997 at 00:12:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT vs. BMT/IND Differences posted by Andrew Huie
on May 06, 1997 at 22:41:16:
Actually, not all R-33s and R-36s are created equal. The original 33s
and 36s on the 4 & 6 line have IRT trip cock configuration whire the
33s and 36s on the #7 line have IND trip cock configurations. Aside
from that, there are some cosmetic differences. First, the #7 line
cars have 'picture windows' while the cars on the 4 & 6 lines have
'drop sash' windows. The Flushing cars were ordered with the 'new'
picture windows because the cars offered tourists their first look at
the NY Worlds Fair fo rwhich the cars were bought.
To answer your question more directly, if a Flushing line car happened
to stray onto the #4 line (and since there is no direct connection,
this is highly unlikely) the signal protection would be reduced by
only 51 feet, the length of the first car since there is also a trip
cock on the opposite side of the #2 truck.
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POSTER>Yoon Jae Lee
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Posted by Yoon Jae Lee on May 12, 1997 at 02:36:20:
In Reply to: [6]Brooklyn Bridge Service posted by Alex Adleman on May
11, 1997 at 11:58:19:
That's long closed permanantly!! He meant the Manhattan Bridge so.
tracks that have been closed on and off for nearly 9 years now!!!
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Posted by Yoon Jae Lee on May 12, 1997 at 02:41:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by
Steve on May 07, 1997 at 20:06:10:
> 1) Having the Q & F start out at 179th St would amount to almost a
> duplicate service. The Q entering Manhattan on 63rd St. while the F
at > 53rd St. From there they would both travel down 6th
> Ave in Manhattan. In Brooklyn they would run on parallel lines
blocks > apart. Having the R start at
> 179th St. would offer riders a real choice in service from the
terminal.
Remember that the Q really belongs on the Broadway line and has been
moved over to 6 Ave because of work on the Manhattan Bridge. So once
everything's in order by 2001 hopefully, it'll go back to being
Broadway express.
> BTW the proposed car assignments are very interesting.
I doubt the L and M will use the new R-143s. I think there are
clearance problems on the els in Brooklyn but I'm not exactly sure.
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 12, 1997 at 07:51:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Atuomateion posted by Steve on May 11, 1997
at 20:49:23:
I suppose the only transit-related entities that would benefit from
automation would be those created after the Urban Mass Transit Act of
1964, section 13C took effect.
MDTA's (Metro-Dade Transit Agency) and MARTA's (Metropolitan Atlanta
Rapid Transit Authority) both use heavy rail vehicles that are at
least partially automated. The driver does have some control over the
vehicles, and can manually override them if required. Also, MDTA's
Metromover is fully automated. Metrorail and MARTA Rail started
operations in 1985 and in the late 1970s, respectively.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on May 12, 1997 at 08:22:28:
In Reply to: [6]El Structure info posted by Pat Villani on May 10,
1997 at 19:15:02:
Good luck with your El modeling efforts! There are VERY FEW of us out
there, but with the new Images Replicas injection molded subway cars
available, I suspect many more modelers will be entering this unique
field of traction modeling.
The following references should help. They were presented as part of a
clinic I gave several years ago at the Fall Trolley Extravaganza in
Middletown, NY. If you can make this years show, it will be held at
the King of Prussia Holiday Inn near Philadelphia, PA. I will be
displaying a modular NYCTA prototype El layout and once again giving a
clinic on El modeling.
REFERENCES FOR THE EL MODELER:
1. "Farewell to the EL", Eric Bronsky, Model Railroader, April, 1976.
2. "Modeling Elevated Rapid Transit Lines", Eric Bronsky, Model
Railroader, October, 1978.
3. "The El in HO", Joseph Frank, Traction and Models, May, 1981.
4. "The El in HO-Part II", Joseph Frank, Traction and Models, April,
1982.
5. "New York City Els of the 1940's", Joseph Frank, Scale Model
Traction and Trolleys Quarterly, No. 20(1983).
6. "1/4" Scale Modeling -NYC El Lines", Joseph Frank, Electriclines,
May-June, 1988.
7. "El? Do it Yourself!", Robert Olson, Traction and Models, January,
1971.
8. "Polyester Resin Casting", Eric Bronsky, Model Railroader,
November, 1981.
9. "Born to Raise Els", Eric Bronsky, Model Railroader, October 1984.
10. "Big City El Modeling", Mike Palmiter, Scale Model Traction and
Trolleys Quarterly, No. 40(1993).
11. "New York City Els of the 1940's-Part II", Joseph Frank, Scale
Model Traction and Trolleys Quarterly, No. 21(1983).
Drawings of Contract II El Structures appear in the new book "Building
the New Rapid Transit System-1912" available from Ron's Books (914)
967-7541 and others. This is a reprint of articles that appeared in
Engineering News Record. Old copies of ENR or Street Railway Journel
also have drawings of El structures.
Images Replicas will be marketing injection molded styrene El
structure in the near future based on Third Avenue (Manhattan)
prototype. They will also have signals (working) and proper subway
type third rail kits available.
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Posted by Steve on May 12, 1997 at 08:45:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Automation posted by Julio Perez on May 12,
1997 at 07:51:28:
The age of the system is not the criteria. However you are right. If
the NYCT were to open a new line which was automated, there would not
be a decrease in jobs. so there would likely be UMTA funds available
because no existing jobs would be lost.
However, job losses are not out of the question. One person train
operation (OPTO) will result in job losses but not through the use of
technology. One the other hand, Automatic Fare Collection (AFC) will
cause a shift in jobs (but no immediate loss) from clerks to
maintainers through the use of new technology.
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Posted by Steve on May 12, 1997 at 08:50:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 63rd Street Connection Car Assignments posted by
Yoon Jae Lee on May 12, 1997 at 02:41:52:
On the contrary, the R-143s will be assigned to the L line after a
brief 'tour of duty' on the Queens Blvd. Corridor. The L line will be
the first line to receive the new Hi-Tech signal system which the
R-143s (not the R-142s) will be designed to operate with.
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Posted by Peter Mosse on March 15, 1997 at 12:14:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Looking for Info on Art on the NYC Subways posted
by David Pirmann on March 10, 1997 at 11:22:45:
There is currently an exhibition of NY subway art co-hosted by the NY
Transit Museum and by Michael Ingbar Gallery at 568 Broadway (nr
Prince). It continues through March 29.
Also, you might want to look at "Subway Ceramics - A History and
Iconography" by Lee Stookey, which should be available through the
Transit Museum
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 12, 1997 at 11:12:28:
In Reply to: [6]Low floor buses and NYCT just dont mix posted by Lefty
on May 09, 1997 at 17:34:27:
I think low floor buses are a good idea and a step forward, however in
the NYCT I think they would be an accident(s) waiting to happen. NYCT
buses routinely carry large numbers of standing passengers and it
would only be a matter of time before a bus stops short and a
passenger is thrown up or down the step. I have ridden the New Flyer
Low floor buses on Roosevelt Island, NYC airports and Newark (NJ)
airport and they seem to be suited for that sort of duty.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 12, 1997 at 13:36:10:
In Reply to: [6]Jacksonville posted by Dan Weissmann on May 09, 1997
at 15:12:07:
PM are a great idea. Unfortunately I've only used 3 of them at
Hartsfield-Atlanta, Cincinatti-North Kentucky and Orlando airports.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 12, 1997 at 13:37:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos of the CTA posted by David Pirmann - Web
Site Host on May 10, 1997 at 15:50:47:
Folks - you're all in luck!
If all goes according to plan, I will be going to Chicago at the end
of June for a business trip. I plan to spend my time AFTER the
business portion of the trip on CTA and hope to take lots of pictures
AND video to add to my collection. Hopefully, this will be 2&1/2 days
worth. I'm from the NY area and have been a subway fan for all of my
35 years now (I think I have a gene that predisposed me to liking
trains!) and Chicago has been a place I've always wanted to visit.
So, if any of you following SubTalk are from Chicago and can suggest
areas to take photographs and videos (and might even know what the CTA
policy on taking pictures or video is), your input is most welcome!
I will send Dave the pix after they're developed to scan in and become
part of NY Subway Resources.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 12, 1997 at 13:46:26:
In Reply to: [6]Brooklyn Bridge Service posted by Alex Adleman on May
11, 1997 at 11:58:19:
Major oooops on that one!! I can't attribute this one to spelling
errors!!
What WAS I thinking of? :-)))))
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 12, 1997 at 18:16:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by Frank Gatazka on May
12, 1997 at 08:22:28:
This is very good....I've always wanted to do the same thing but the
only cars were brass and so expensive....and I always worried about
how I would do the el structure.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 12, 1997 at 18:34:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos of the CTA posted by Mark S Feinman on May
12, 1997 at 13:37:38:
I live about 2 and a half hours from Chicago.I would consider my self
a die-hard CTA fan.Anyway,I would suggest taking lots of pictures on
the Ravenswood(around the curves),O'Hare segment of
Congress/Douglas/O'Hare line,and my fav the Howard-Dan Ryan line(the
north side el part,its four track and also carries "Evanston Express"
trains(rush-hour) and further south Ravenswood trains).Make sure to
get a picture of a Ravenswood train crossing the Wells Street bridge
over the Chicago River(its beautiful when you get all the skyscrapers
in the background).If you have any trouble identifing the car types or
anything else go to Chicago Transit/Metra Railfan Page at
[7]http://members.aol.com/chirailfan/railfan.html .If you cant get it
there e-mail Bill Vandervoort or me,I'm sure I could help.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 12, 1997 at 18:37:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos of the CTA posted by Mark S Feinman on May
12, 1997 at 13:37:38:
I live about 2 and a half hours from Chicago.I would consider my self
a die-hard CTA fan.Anyway,I would suggest taking lots of pictures on
the Ravenswood(around the curves),O'Hare segment of
Congress/Douglas/O'Hare line,and my fav the Howard-Dan Ryan line(the
north side el part,its four track and also carries "Evanston Express"
trains(rush-hour) and further south Ravenswood trains).Make sure to
get a picture of a Ravenswood train crossing the Wells Street bridge
over the Chicago River(its beautiful when you get all the skyscrapers
in the background).If you have any trouble identifing the car types or
anything else go to Chicago Transit/Metra Railfan Page at
[7]http://members.aol.com/chirailfan/railfan.html .If you cant get it
there e-mail Bill Vandervoort or me,I'm sure I could help.
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Posted by Bob Wright on May 12, 1997 at 20:20:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Green -- Red -- ? posted by Bryan Layne on May 10,
1997 at 23:32:28:
This is the story I've heard. It supposedly occurred shortly after
David Gunn took over at the MTA. He saw that the white was a disaster
and the green was not to his liking. The ancient relics on the Broad
Street Subway here in Phila were repainted for the last time in the
late 70's after their umpteenth mini-rehab, when the new order from
Kawasaki was finally in sight. This rehab included the replacement of
windows with lightweight type frames (similar to those used on school
buses), which rattled far less than the older, heavier windows did (it
took some of the character away, so some say!). The paint scheme had
changed at this time also, from the white with orange/blue stripes
introduced by SEPTA, back to the deep red (almost maroon) that most
cars still featured at the time. This scheme was a modified version of
that introduced by the Pressed Steel cars purchased in 1938.
The new red was a little brighter and was called "fox red". Gunn
supposedly noted that it showed the grime far less than any other
color (given that a great deal of subway grime came from brake shoe
dust, which tended to be brown-red) and he dispatched someone to go to
Fern Rock shops and get a can (the old Broad Street cars had been
retired for several years by this time). Thus, the red was introduced
to the NY system.
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Posted by Jamie Propp on May 12, 1997 at 20:37:35:
In Reply to: [6]Playing Music in the NY subway posted by Eric on May
04, 1997 at 14:39:31:
Music Under New York, a division of MTA's Arts for Transit program
holds annual auditions in Grand Central Terminal. Lucky fo you, the
auditions are in late May/early June, so if you call Tim & Gina
Higginbotham at (212) 362-3830 ASAP, they will send you audition
information.
BTW, I am the poducer of a record called SUBPLAY, whcih features
performances by 35 NYC subway musicians!
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POSTER>Mark Del Monte
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Posted by Mark Del Monte on May 12, 1997 at 22:20:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Dan Lawrence on
May 02, 1997 at 09:54:22:
Do you have any pictures of the orion artics I didn't even know orion
made artics
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Posted by Zack Wilhoite on March 15, 1997 at 14:33:44:
In Reply to: [6]Bus Photos posted by Clarence Barnes on March 02, 1997
at 07:21:37:
the bus spot has 1 or 2 pitures it's adress is
http://www.members.aol.com/busspot/main.html
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Posted by Mark Del Monte on May 12, 1997 at 22:23:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies? /DC
Route Numbers posted by Dan Lawrence on May 02, 1997 at 10:21:24:
Can anyone tell me how I can get route and schedule info for wmata
preferably route maps whenever I ask WMATA for a route map of the bus
and subway system all I get is one of the subway
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Posted by Glen on May 12, 1997 at 23:14:53:
I read somewhere that the R-142s will have Regenerative Brakes. What
are regenerative brakes and what is the difference between them and
dynamic brakes?
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 12, 1997 at 23:19:43:
In Reply to: [6]El Structure info posted by Pat Villani on May 10,
1997 at 19:15:02:
Several years ago Model Railroader ran a series on modeling el
structures in HO scale. It might take some digging but it'll have all
the answers to your questions.
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POSTER>Blaise
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Posted by Blaise on May 13, 1997 at 08:58:55:
In Reply to: [6]NJ Transit / Amtrak station at Newark Airport ? posted
by Ted Nielsen on May 10, 1997 at 17:35:43:
NJ Transits board voted to authorize a $10.1 million contract to get
work for the Northeast Corridor Newark Airport station underway this
spring. The station will permit NJ Transit and possibly Amtrak trains
to connect to the Newark Airport monorail. The Port Authority is
providing the funding, collected through airport passenger landing
fees. The project will enable train riders from Midtown Manhattan and
points along the NJ Transit system including the Bergen/Main, Pascack
and Port Jervis lines, once the Secaucus station opens in 2002 to
reach airport terminals by rail. The station and monorail connection
are projected to open in 2000.
From "Mobilizing The Region" a publication of the Tri State
Transportation Campaign - http://www.igc.apc.org/tstc/
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Posted by Beatrice on May 13, 1997 at 09:30:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 01,
1997 at 15:52:22:
I haven't been a straphanger for years. They were great at the time,
when I was going to work, but I didn't know better. Now, they are
definately outdated.
As a child, they were awful because I was too small to hang on to
them. I guess they could have used a children's section. That would
have been something!!
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 13, 1997 at 13:39:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Photos of the CTA posted by Bryan Layne on May 12,
1997 at 18:37:10:
Bryan ... thanks for the information! I'll be sure to check out the
CTA railfan page as well as go to the sites you've identified!
--Mark
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 13, 1997 at 14:12:59:
In Reply to: [6]Brakes posted by Glen on May 12, 1997 at 23:14:53:
Dynamic and Regenerative braking both use the motors to as generators
and provide a load to cause the motors to slow down and thus slow the
car. In dynamic braking, the motors themselves provide some of the
load, while resistors under the carbody provide the rest. In
regenerative braking, the load is privided by pumping the energy
generated back into the power distribution system.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 13, 1997 at 16:35:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by Beatrice on May 13, 1997
at 09:30:28:
How are they outdated?
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 13, 1997 at 17:28:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Green -- Red -- ? posted by Bob Wright on May 12,
1997 at 20:20:10:
Anyone remember the story that because David Gunn went to Harvard, the
color scheme chosen (red/black/gray) purposely bore some resemblance
to the palette of choice up in Cambridge?
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on May 13, 1997 at 20:13:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies? /DC
Route Numbers posted by Mark Del Monte on May 12, 1997 at 22:23:37:
You do know the web site for the WMATA?
It's www.wmata.com
Maybe you can find what you're looking for there
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Posted by Steve on March 15, 1997 at 16:19:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by David M.
Razler on March 05, 1997 at 19:49:39:
As I youngster in the 50s, I have a recollection of a station on the
branch between Bethpage and Babylon. It was just to the south side of
Boundary Avenue and was primarily for one of the aircraft companies in
that area. Similarly, east of Farmingdale at Rt110 there was also a
stop on the Ronkonkoma branch which was abandoned after the
electrification.
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Posted by Lefty on May 13, 1997 at 20:27:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Mark Del Monte
on May 12, 1997 at 22:20:08:
theyre not orions, theyre new flyer d60's
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 14, 1997 at 01:07:34:
looking for bus rosters of this period,,,including
bus fleet numbers,,mgfr,,model,series,,number of
vehicles and date ,,thank u
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 14, 1997 at 01:10:22:
looking for a detailed track map ,,of the PATH ,,,new
jersey ,,between journal sq to newark
,,inclusive,..,also looking for a track map of the
proposed extensions to newark airport
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POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on May 14, 1997 at 02:09:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Atuomateion posted by Lefty on May 10, 1997
at 18:51:01:
(In response to "Zack's" follow-up)
After moving to Vancouver (from Toronto, and my beloved TTC Subway) in
1986, I was introduced to that city's brand new SkyTrain, which is a
fully automated (There is NO operator present) elevated line which
also utilizes ticket vending machines. Stops are anounced by a
somewhat robotic, female voice, which is more audible than any human
could ever be. The trains (which use Linear Induction Motors) are
quite safe, despite the fact that the trains on the 29km (19mi)
guidway routinely run at about 85km/h at as short as 3 minute headways
during rush hours. The fact that the trains are fully automated does
not deterr people from riding them, infact ridership on the line has
grown significantly on a yearly basis. Besides, whoever uses the
"human judgment" argument should be reminded of Heaven's Gate. If a
new line was to be added to the New York system it would be more cost
effective to have it automated, and Bombardier (supplier of the new
R-110B prototype(?) subway cars) has already developed ATO technology
to a nearly perfected state, as demonstrated in the new Kuala Lumpur
Advanced Rapid Transit Mk2 vehicals, which are fully automated and
employ Linear Induction Motors. In any case, automated trains are
safe, cost effective, and have already been proven in day to day
service.
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POSTER>Stephen Hodd
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Posted by Stephen Hodd on May 14, 1997 at 10:35:30:
Serious consideration is being given to building an arena over the
commuter rail station in downtown Toronto. I am concerned with the
impact of building massive columns between the tracks restricting the
movement of people off the platforms and the effect this will have on
safety, time in the station and reduced train service.
Is there any experience from other cities on this problem? What about
MSG on Penn Station? Can we learn anything from problems elsewhere?
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POSTER>Hoga
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Posted by Hoga on May 14, 1997 at 12:12:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Atuomateion posted by Lefty on May 10, 1997
at 18:51:01:
Is thre any one out there who wana talk
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Posted by Shig on May 14, 1997 at 14:13:44:
Does/Did Queensboro Bridge connecting Manhattan and Queens have subway
tracks?
When I visited NYC last summer, the N and R trains seemed to run
through the tunnel under the bridge.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 14, 1997 at 14:34:44:
In Reply to: [6]Queensboro Bridge posted by Shig on May 14, 1997 at
14:13:44:
While there never were any subway lines across the Queensboro Bridge,
a trolley line - the last one in the city - ran over it until service
ended in 1957. Remnants of the old trolley terminal are still visible
on the Manhattan side.
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POSTER>John M
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Posted by John M on May 14, 1997 at 15:13:42:
In Reply to: [5]Queensboro Bridge posted by Shig on May 14, 1997 at
14:13:44:
The 2nd Av El used to run over it to Flushing & Astoria.
THe Bridge couldn't handle the wait of the N/R too.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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SUBJECT>PATH Ridership Soars!!!!
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 14, 1997 at 16:51:52:
Did you here yet that PATH has reported record ridership for last
year.Its the highest since 1948,with boardings up 1.3 million to 60.7
million!!
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POSTER>Steve Kreisler
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Posted by Steve Kreisler on March 15, 1997 at 21:13:53:
I was told recently, by a LIRR employee, that the trackage in Forest
Hills where the tracks from the now abandoned Rockaway branch pass
under and at one time joined with the main line, was called the White
Pot underjump. I'm wondering if anyone has heard similar accounts or
knows of some documentation related to this area....
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POSTER>Brian Jakosz
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 14, 1997 at 17:59:55:
Are there any good maps of the Muni on the Web? Also, are there any
stations on the muni? Every map of it I see, has stations printed only
on one line.
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POSTER>Joshua Yes, the Vacuum Train is back!! Caesar
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Posted by Joshua Yes, the Vacuum Train is back!! Caesar on May 14,
In Reply to: [6]Re: Vacuum Train posted by Philip Nasadowski on May
10, 1997 at 19:11:13:
Wow, tha TA has finally gotten smart enough to order a new Vacuum
train. Wonder if tehy are going to vacuum up the tunnels as well as
the station areas. This has it's advantages and disdvantages. It will
remove alot of odor which can waft into stations as the garbage would
no longer be in the tunnels, but at the same time there are metal
objects, old, broken tools workers chuck and leave on the tracks when
they are done with a job. I wonder what the train could and could not
pick up, since there has to be some point where what the train tries
to vacuum will damage it. I also remember seeing an old photo from the
Union Turnpike station of a train going through spraying the walls
clean. Did the TA have a" Shower Train" as well?
Josh Caesar
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Posted by Steve on May 14, 1997 at 22:29:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Vacuum Train posted by Joshua Yes, the Vacuum
Train is back!! Caesar on May 14, 1997 at 18:24:13:
Yes, there is a tunnel wash train that makes its' rounds periodically
throughout the system.
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Posted by Steve on May 14, 1997 at 22:37:56:
In Reply to: [6]Queensboro Bridge posted by Shig on May 14, 1997 at
14:13:44:
According to "The Tracks of New York" vol. #3, two lines actually used
the Queensboro Bridge. The #s 3 & 4 lines both originated at the South
Ferry terminal, and proceeded along the 2nd Ave el. The #3 to Astoria
and the #4 to Corona
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Posted by Steve on May 14, 1997 at 22:40:20:
In Reply to: [6]PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Bryan Layne on May
14, 1997 at 16:51:52:
Yes, and at only $1.00 per ride, one of the most highly subsidized
railroads in the country.
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Posted by John on May 14, 1997 at 22:43:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Peter Rosa on May 14,
1997 at 14:34:44:
I know that there are tracks on the Queensboro Bridge. And I know that
they are not used. However, about two or three years ago, I was taking
the N train to Astoria from Manhattan and it actually did travel over
the Queensboro Bridge. Why did this happen?
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Posted by John on May 14, 1997 at 22:45:44:
In Reply to: [5]Toronto's Plan to build arena on Union Station posted
by Stephen Hodd on May 14, 1997 at 10:35:30:
Well, I wouldn't worry too much. Madison Square Garden is directly
over Penn Station in midtown Manhattan.
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Posted by John on May 14, 1997 at 22:48:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Automation posted by Nathan on May 14, 1997
at 02:09:41:
I, uh, I don't mean to bust anybody's bubble here, but did anybody
notice that "automation" is severely misspelled?
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Posted by Pat Villani on May 14, 1997 at 22:51:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by Frank Gatazka on May
12, 1997 at 08:22:28:
Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.
BTW -- I started this nearly 20 years ago when I was creating a
LIRR/NYCTA layout (I lived in NY at the time). I moved, boxed up the
scratchbuilt LIRR coaches and an R-30 attempt. Unfortunately, it was
acidentally destroyed in storage. I started all over again now when my
wife gave me the Images Replicas kits for Christmas.
They're good kits, but unpowered. I'm looking into Tenshodo and
NorthWest Short Line powered trucks. They also need some work on
adapting couplers to them. These kit are not for the first time
modeler.
I spoke to Jack regarding signals, third rail and el structure kits.
He has some signals in that he's looking at now. The third rail kits
will probably not be ready until the end of the month. Unfortunately,.
it will be a while before he has the el structure kits ready. That's
why I'm researching building my own.
So far, I've found good approximation of the plate girders
manufactured by Micro Engineering but their mold is broken and it will
be a while before these will be available again. Looks like I'll be
casting all of it. There's also another challenge in laying track --
simple flex track doesn't cut the mustard. That's next on my list but
easier to tackle.
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Posted by Erich Rastetter on March 15, 1997 at 22:48:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by John on March
14, 1997 at 19:02:30:
There was a second phase planned for the IND? Does anyone have info on
this?
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Posted by John on May 14, 1997 at 22:51:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Vacuum Train posted by Joshua Yes, the Vacuum
Train is back!! Caesar on May 14, 1997 at 18:24:13:
Hey Josh, I think I might have seen that same picture. Was there a man
sticking his head out the window?
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Posted by John on May 14, 1997 at 22:58:30:
I haven't been to the Coney Island station very recently (last I was
there was maybe a year ago), but I don't have particularly good
memories of that station. Is the TA doing anything about the reeking
smell of piss? What about the restroom? The restroom is like a rat's
nest. Actually, the whole station is like a rats' nest. I also had a
"run-into" experience at that restroom. See, the stalls have been
removed, leaving the toilet bowls in the open. Quite a few years back
(probably in the late 1970s), I entered the restroom, and there was a
guy takin' a shit. "Yo, man, get the f--- outta here!" he hollered.
Needless to say, I was on the B train two seconds later.
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 15, 1997 at 00:27:01:
does anyone have details,,drawings,,of the new layup
track north of broad channel ,up for bidding now,,by
the mta
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Posted by Yoon Jae Lee on May 15, 1997 at 01:00:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 14, 1997
at 22:43:13:
There are no tracks that go over the bridge noawdays. You must be
mistaking the Queensboro for another bridge perhaps the Manhattan
Bridge the only bridge N trains ever cross. THere used to be el tracks
connecting to 2 Ave el and a trollry line? as well.
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Posted by Nathan on May 15, 1997 at 03:41:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Steve on May
14, 1997 at 22:40:20:
Mmmmmm, subsidy... does anyone know the actual subsidy PATH recieves
each year? Is PATH considering to purchase new rolling stock in the
near future? The trains are kinda outdated...
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on May 15, 1997 at 08:52:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by Pat Villani on May 14,
1997 at 22:51:20:
You really should try to visit the Fall Trolley Extravaganza, to be
held September 5 and 6 at the King of Prussia (near Philly) Holiday
Inn. Besides myself, there will be others who have been involved in El
modeling, and you can "pick their brains".
I will be giving a clinic specifically on El track and deckwork
modeling. If you can get a copy of the Traction and Models articles by
Joe Frank from the eighties, you will understand how to build El
trackwork in a realistic and reasonably simple manner.
Besides the third rail kits soon to be released by Images Replicas,
there are realistic round (similar to IND, BMT type) third rail chairs
available from PECO (Pritchard Patent Products) which should be
available from hobby dealers through Walthers. These use Code 40 or 55
rail, which is too light for exact NYCTA SUBWAY prototype, but would
be correct for CTA or IRT, BRT Els. Alternately, you can easily make
your own chairs from brads and beads (round type) or square blocks of
wood or styrene (square IRT stlye).
Hope this helps. Again, attend the show in September if you can!
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 15, 1997 at 09:06:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by Pat Villani on May 14,
1997 at 22:51:20:
The best bet for laying track is to hand lay it. It takes some effort
to get everything right but it looks great when finished. I was in a
model club some years back, and they had a really nice trestle, though
no el structures. You can buy balsa for the safety beams and use
pre-cut bridge ties under the rails. Nickel-silver rail is best, it
comes in a variety of sizes. Brass tends to oxidize and has to be
cleaned frequently. There is also a spike, which although a bit big
compared to prototype, looks good. You put these in with needle nose
pliers, which have a small notch cut near the tip. Frogs and (ugh)
diamonds are more difficult, once made they should be soldered
together to avoid problems. Running with third rail is a good idea
since the special work requires cuts to allow two rail operation.
Good Luck.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 15, 1997 at 09:22:21:
In Reply to: [6]San Francisco Muni posted by Brian Jakosz on May 14,
1997 at 17:59:55:
MUNI has several stations in the subway under Market St. and two in
the Twin Peaks Tunnel. The M-Ocean View line has platforms along its
private right-of-way sections. All the other lines are street running
with the usual stops every few blocks, including the surface tracks on
Market St. (F), Ingleside(K), Church(J), Taraval(L), and Judah(N).
Lines J, K, and M share an off street terminal at BART's Balboa Park
Station. BART follows Mission St. into Downtown, and then underpins
the MUNI subway down Market St. Bart has about 8 stops total in SF,
five of which are co-located with MUNI subway stops.
Hope this helps!
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Posted by Unknown on May 15, 1997 at 12:49:25:
In Reply to: [5]broad channel ind new layup track relay track posted
by steve lowenthal on May 15, 1997 at 00:27:01:
No! Call (718)-330-1234 for info.
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Posted by Joe Barnes on May 15, 1997 at 13:09:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Nathan on May
15, 1997 at 03:41:04:
Don't recall the exact level of subsidy, but it is enormous.
The Port Authority siphons a huge amount taken in with
George Washington Bridge tolls to the P.A.T.H. system.
Ironically (or is it consistently?) the PA has allowed its
own George Washington Bridge Bus Station to go to seed.
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Posted by Steve on May 22, 1997 at 00:18:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 18, 1997
at 14:14:06:
Don't be so sure that you'll get a straight answer. Actually, you've
stumbled onto one of the MTAs most carefully guarded sectrets. In
fact, I worry about telling you this because two other people who
talked about the secret have disappeared under mysterious
circumstances.
What the MTA does not want you to know is that the tracks that once
crossed the Queensboro bridge are still there. They are under the
outer roadway on the north side of the bridge. Now for the surprise,
the outer roadway is retractable. When the outer roadway is retracted,
the tracks are useable. The signals are on spring loaded hinges and
pop right up, ready for use.
Once a month, an 'N' train is taken out of service after the PM rush
hour and lays up north of of 57th Street & Bway. About 11 PM, the
outer roadway on the bridge is closed, presumably for construction.
Four 300 HP motors under the bridge pull in the roadway. Then with a
flick of a switch, the 600 volts are applied to the 3rd rail and the
train starts over the bridge to keep the rails polished. You obviously
were on the rail polisher. Did you fall asleep and were overlooked by
the crew or did you hide in a cab?
Now, as to why all the secret. The MTA forgot about these tracks and
in the 60s, spent $3 billion on the 63rd St. tunnel. After the tunnel
was 3/4 complete, a junior project engineer found the tracks on an old
drawing. He called it to the attention of the MTA chairman and later
that year, he was never heard of again.
The MTA plans to stage an accident in the year 2002. They intend to
have
a Circle Liner sink right over the tunnel, cracking and flooding it.
Once they collect the insurance from the Circle Line, they will decide
to rebuild the bridge connection rather than a new tunnel. Everyone
will be amazed how fast they get it done too. In the meantime, the MTA
members will split the insurance proceeds 8 ways and will suddenly
retire.
Now that you know the truth, you too are at risk. If I were you, I'd
stop writing letters and keep quiet...
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Posted by Jim on May 22, 1997 at 00:18:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 18, 1997
at 14:14:06:
Don't be so sure that you'll get a straight answer. Actually, you've
stumbled onto one of the MTAs most carefully guarded sectrets. In
fact, I worry about telling you this because two other people who
talked about the secret have disappeared under mysterious
circumstances.
What the MTA does not want you to know is that the tracks that once
crossed the Queensboro bridge are still there. They are under the
outer roadway on the north side of the bridge. Now for the surprise,
the outer roadway is retractable. When the outer roadway is retracted,
the tracks are useable. The signals are on spring loaded hinges and
pop right up, ready for use.
Once a month, an 'N' train is taken out of service after the PM rush
hour and lays up north of of 57th Street & Bway. About 11 PM, the
outer roadway on the bridge is closed, presumably for construction.
Four 300 HP motors under the bridge pull in the roadway. Then with a
flick of a switch, the 600 volts are applied to the 3rd rail and the
train starts over the bridge to keep the rails polished. You obviously
were on the rail polisher. Did you fall asleep and were overlooked by
the crew or did you hide in a cab?
Now, as to why all the secret. The MTA forgot about these tracks and
in the 60s, spent $3 billion on the 63rd St. tunnel. After the tunnel
was 3/4 complete, a junior project engineer found the tracks on an old
drawing. He called it to the attention of the MTA chairman and later
that year, he was never heard of again.
The MTA plans to stage an accident in the year 2002. They intend to
have
a Circle Liner sink right over the tunnel, cracking and flooding it.
Once they collect the insurance from the Circle Line, they will decide
to rebuild the bridge connection rather than a new tunnel. Everyone
will be amazed how fast they get it done too. In the meantime, the MTA
members will split the insurance proceeds 8 ways and will suddenly
retire.
Now that you know the truth, you too are at risk. If I were you, I'd
stop writing letters and keep quiet...
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Posted by Jim on May 22, 1997 at 00:59:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 19, 1997
at 21:11:13:
Read above
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Posted by Zack on May 22, 1997 at 01:18:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by MJS on May 21, 1997 at
22:33:38:
if what jim sayes is true then wy in the hell hasent somebody noticed
it on the bridge?
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Posted by Charles on May 22, 1997 at 10:38:17:
Does Anyone know if NYCT has plans to put either of these trains on
any other lines then the A & C with the R110B and the # 2 on the
R110A? I know the R110A Cannot run on the 4,5 or 6 due to the problem
with allignment with the gap fillers at 14th St. The R110B has it's
conductors boards set up on the A,C,E,Q I think that there are boards
on the Rockaway Park Shuttle.
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on May 22, 1997 at 10:44:00:
Does Anyone know if NYCT has plans to put either of these trains on
any other lines then the A & C with the R110B and the # 2 on the
R110A? I know the R110A Cannot run on the 4,5 or 6 due to the problem
with allignment with the gap fillers at 14th St. The R110B has it's
conductors boards set up on the A,C,E,Q I think that there are boards
on the Rockaway Park Shuttle.
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Posted by Pickatr on May 22, 1997 at 13:15:03:
Hi,
I am looking to borrow/rent/buy several 40's era subway items
(turnstile, straps, posters, etc.) if anyone can help guide me it
would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance
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POSTER>Dan Weissmann
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Posted by Dan Weissmann on May 22, 1997 at 13:43:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Jim on May 22, 1997 at
00:18:39:
Hey, Jim. I LOVE your sense of humour. Sounds like LeCarre a la MTA.
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Posted by bob on May 22, 1997 at 14:25:20:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Quiz posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at
20:27:21:
There is a much more recent answer to question 7 than Worth Street....
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Posted by John on May 22, 1997 at 14:46:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: subway NOISE posted by M.J.S. on May 21, 1997 at
22:56:50:
Yeah, well, maybe I am crazy, but the way I feel about the subway
noise has to do with personal feelings.
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Posted by John on May 22, 1997 at 15:02:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Jim on May 22, 1997 at
00:18:39:
A few things, Jim, that just don't make sense. Now, you said that the
tracks were on the north side of the bridge, and that is the side that
my train crossed over. But you said that the Transit Authority doesn't
want anybody to know about it. If that's the case, why did my train
cross the bridge in the middle of the day with a semi-full load of
passengers? Second, I'm not buying the fact that the TA forgot about
the tracks on the bridge. How could something like that occur? Third,
how the hell do you know so much about this? How do you know what the
TA plans to do about the tunnel? How do you know it will take place in
2002? Besides, isn't the 63rd Street tunnel under the floor of the
East River? How do you get a boat to destroy a tunnel that's under the
bottom of the water? After reading your post, I have come up with two
possabilities. Either you work for the Transit Authority and are
behind their filthy conspiracy, or you are just full of shit.
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Posted by Keranu on May 22, 1997 at 15:24:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Quiz posted by bob on May 22, 1997 at
14:25:20:
Dean Street on the Franklin Av shuttle?
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Posted by Keranu on May 22, 1997 at 15:24:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Quiz posted by bob on May 22, 1997 at
14:25:20:
Dean Street on the Franklin Av shuttle?
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Posted by Keranu on May 22, 1997 at 15:32:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by John on May 21, 1997 at
16:24:26:
Couldn't agree with you more! Screeching, sparks, jolts, acceleration
to knock you out your seat, incoming trains capable of swiping you
into the tunnel with them. Panhandlers, trains that don't tell you
where they're going. Bring back the grafitti(still can't find anyone
to agree with me on this one). Unpainted subway cars, static shocks
off the doors, uncomfy seats, standing at the rush hour, unheard
announcements, overnight service diversions. You name it. It's all a
seriously essential part of the New York Subway, why change something
that works?
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Posted by Keranu on May 22, 1997 at 15:34:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by John on May 21, 1997 at
16:24:26:
Couldn't agree with you more! Screeching, sparks, jolts, acceleration
to knock you out your seat, incoming trains capable of swiping you
into the tunnel with them. Panhandlers, trains that don't tell you
where they're going. Bring back the grafitti(still can't find anyone
to agree with me on this one). Unpainted subway cars, static shocks
off the doors, uncomfy seats, standing at the rush hour, unheard
announcements, overnight service diversions. You name it. It's all a
seriously essential part of the New York Subway, why change something
that works?
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Posted by Nathan McCartney on May 22, 1997 at 16:02:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by M.J.S. on May 21, 1997 at
22:54:47:
It must say something about you, I don't know what, but if you want to
have the NYC subway weld it's rails, incorporate Linear Induction
Motors, pneumatic suspension, chandeliers, velvet seats, coffee bars
(ok, they do do that on some commuter trains in other cities)
paintings, menageries, mini orchestras, why don't YOU offer to help
cough up money for the bill, I'm sure you would love to have your
taxes raised so you could listen to mozart, look at artwork, get a
coffee and listen to the gentle whine of the Linear induction motors.
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Posted by Nathan on May 22, 1997 at 16:06:13:
I'm wondering if anyone has any snap shots of the NYC subway they
could sell me. Thanx!
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Posted by John on May 22, 1997 at 16:16:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Quiz posted by Keranu on May 22, 1997 at
15:24:21:
Dean Street is an elevated station (not a subway station).
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Posted by Quigebo on May 22, 1997 at 16:21:03:
In Reply to: [6]R110A&B Test Trains posted by Charles on May 22, 1997
at 10:44:00:
The R110A has operated as a #5 train. I know, because I rode it in
late June 95. It pulled into East 180th Street displaying a green #5,
where the red #2 is normally displayed. It went express in the Bronx,
then down Lex, terminating at Bowling Green. Stops were announced by
the conductor, which is done when the train has to be rerouted. In
that case, it was done because the TA didn't have recorded
announcements made for the #5 line. I also rode the R110A down the
East side a second time (this time as a #2) when a #3 train had to be
taken out of service at 135th.So I think the R110A could run as a #5,
although I hope it doesn't. The #5 has those two R62As, while the #2
is currently all Redbirds (though R62s were tested on the #2 in 83 and
84. Why they didn't stay on the #2 is something I don't understand.
The #2's R26s and R17s (as much as I liked the circular window up
front) got more than their share of graffiti and malfunctions. The #2
would have benefited from new equipment. Finally, it's getting it with
the R142s.
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SUBJECT>2004 - 100 Years
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Posted by John on May 22, 1997 at 16:59:50:
Is the Transit Authority planning to do anything special during the
100th anniversary of the subway?
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 22, 1997 at 17:40:27:
Any-One Who is from Chicago should be able to answer the following
questions:
1. The CTA Blue Line Forest Park (Congress) Branch used to be known as
the
________ ______ Line.
2. The train Lines that used to Link to the CTA Lines and whent to the
suburbs were called the ___________.
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Posted by John on May 22, 1997 at 18:44:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by Quigebo on May 22,
1997 at 16:21:03:
The #5 uses R-62s? I thought it was an all-Redbird line. By the way,
does the #6 still use them? I haven't seen Redbirds on the #6 lately,
but I do know they are still used on the #4 occasionally. Are they
also used on the #3 (I haven't seen one on the #3 for years, but I was
just wondering). What about the #1 or 9 (haven't seen them on those
lines either).
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Posted by John on May 22, 1997 at 18:50:36:
In Reply to: [5]Chicago Rail FanQuiz.com posted by Brian Jakosz on May
22, 1997 at 17:40:27:
I've always lived in New York and I will always live in New York, but
I happen to know the answers to questions 8 and 10 from a recent trip
to Chicago.
8 - The Skokie Line
10 - METRA
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Posted by EDGAR GOMEZ on May 22, 1997 at 18:59:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by YOUR MOM on May
21, 1997 at 10:57:24:
THIS IS BIG BAD MENT one HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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ONLY E-MAIL ME YOUR ANSWERS TO THE CHICAGO RAIL FAN QUIZ, YOU CAN ONLY
WIN THIS WAY!!!
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Posted by John Hay on May 22, 1997 at 19:53:38:
Anyone have any background on the Relocated Canarsie Line? It's
visible on the TA B&W map (not too clearly, and truncated) on the NYC
Subway Resources 2 Av pages.
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Posted by Sam Gamberg on May 22, 1997 at 22:32:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by Nathan on May 19, 1997
at 23:19:02:
Thank you for some advise about buying a subway car "Low V" IRT.
What I was thinking about was to transport by flatbed truck, here up
to
Vermont (basement not neccesary) and build a underground site and
recreate
a subway platform/station or above ground in a large Barn (Garage) and
again
recreate a station !! Also you all know the "subway" fast food chain
around the
country or locally. Why not have a "subway" car as resturaunt !!
These are some ideas and may not be for everyone.
Again I love subways and originally grew up in New York (Brooklyn) and
have
always been fasinated with trains.
Thank you !
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In Reply to: [5]PLEASE DON'T PUT ANSWERS TO THE CHICAGO RAIL FAN QUIZ
ON THE BOARD, PLEASE ONLY E-MAIL ME!!! ONLY E-MAIL ENTRIES WILL
RECIEVE THE PRIZE posted by Brian Jakosz on May 22, 1997 at 19:31:24:
Ooops! Sorry 'bout that.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 23, 1997 at 08:16:57:
In Reply to: [5]1940's era help. posted by Pickatr on May 22, 1997 at
13:15:03:
I have some destination signs from subway cars if you care. Reply via
SubTalk.
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Posted by Keranu on May 23, 1997 at 09:15:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Quiz posted by John on May 22, 1997 at
16:16:40:
Oops, I thought it meant any station on the subway network.
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Posted by Del Rico on May 23, 1997 at 09:57:00:
I was wondering if any of you would have any old photos of any of the
transit vehicles of Boston's MBTA. When I say old I only mean the late
1960's.
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 23, 1997 at 11:37:02:
In Reply to: [6]The MBTA posted by Del Rico on May 23, 1997 at
09:57:00:
check the ne transporation site
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 23, 1997 at 13:23:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by John on May 22, 1997
at 18:44:22:
From personal observation, by IRT line (I use the term "R-62"
generically
as some are R-62s and others are R-62As):
#1/9 - exclusively R-62s
#2 - exclusively redbirds
#3 - exclusively R-62s
#4 - mostly R-62s, some redbirds
#5 - mostly redbirds, some R-62s during rush hours
#6 - mostly R-62s, a rare redbird now and then
#7 - exclusively R-33/36 world's fair redbirds
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 23, 1997 at 13:27:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Quiz posted by bob on May 22, 1997 at
14:25:20:
Hmmmm ... what would you consider the lower level of 9th Avenue / 39
St on
the Culver (shuttle)? Elevated or subway? That station is underground
and it closed in 1975, but it technically isn't part of a "subway"
(true
sense of word) line, I believe.
Scored a 70 on the exam! No studying but had a few "dumb" answers :-)
--Mark
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Posted by Ed on May 23, 1997 at 14:43:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR compared to the IRT etc... posted by Steve on
May 20, 1997 at 23:12:38:
More interesting were the ex-SIRT cars which were used on the BMT in
the late 50's. These were the same size as the BMT standards, but had
vestibule ends like the old IRT lo-v's and hi-v's, but a double-door
with conductor's door controls (as on the standards) in the middle.
These cars also had walkover (reversible) seats.
As the story goes, SIRT had surpluss cars in the 1950's when it
abandoned service on the North Shore and South Beach lines, and the
TA, short on equipment, bought the surpluss. The cars were used on the
Culver and West End lines prior to the arrival of the R27's in 1960.
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Posted by John on May 23, 1997 at 19:09:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: track map PATH posted by Ted Nielsen on May 15,
1997 at 21:38:35:
There is a plan that I know of that is similar to this. NJ Transit is
planning on extending the Newark Subway from Penn Station into
downtown Elizabeth and have some sort of link to Newark Airport. NJ
Transit is also planning on replacing the PCC trolley cars with modern
Japanese-built trolley cars starting in 1999.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 23, 1997 at 21:16:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Zack on May 22, 1997
at 01:18:39:
Don't you get it, IT ISN'T TRUE, if there were tracks on the bridge to
this day, because there were prior to 1942, there simply can't be any
connections between the N and such hidden tracks.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 23, 1997 at 21:19:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by Nathan McCartney on May 22,
1997 at 16:02:37:
I didn't say I wanted these luxuries, I just said that these aren't
bad Ideas, the mechanical differences (outside the parentheses) is
what I really wanted.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 23, 1997 at 21:29:12:
In Reply to: [6]R110A&B Test Trains posted by Charles on May 22, 1997
at 10:38:17:
You're wrong, the R130 (aka R110A) once ran on the 5, between both 2
runs.
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Posted by Bob Andersen on May 23, 1997 at 21:33:57:
The Myrtle Ave. line is three tracks wide from the Wyckoff Ave.
station to Broadway-Myrtle, although there have not been any rails or
ties on the center "express" track for at least 40 (from my own
observations) years. This track would have enabled express trains to
bypass the Knickerbocker and Central Ave. stations. Does anyone know
if such expresses ever actually ran? The book "The Brooklyn Elevateds"
has one picture, on page 36, probably taken soon after the line was
upgraded about 1915 , which shows the center track in service.
If you're ever on the Wyckoff Ave. station, note where the platform
has been built over this third track.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 23, 1997 at 21:39:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 22, 1997
at 15:02:46:
He's full of shit just like you.
BTW, the tunnel was built halfway under the riverbed, not directly
under it.
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Posted by John on May 23, 1997 at 21:41:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by M.J.S. on May 23, 1997
at 21:16:49:
Just why can't there be? Oh, by the way - I'm sorry I was hard on you,
Jim, but it is just not easy for me to buy what you were saying. It
sounds like a scene from the Twilight Zone, or something like that.
Retractable roadway? Trains running over the tracks just to keep the
tracks polished? Extreme secrecy? Mysterious dissappearences of people
who know about the tracks? It just doesn't sound right.
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Posted by John on May 23, 1997 at 21:44:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: El Structure info posted by Frank Gatazka on May
15, 1997 at 08:52:28:
Is it possible to have a model subway layout in which the train
collects power from a third rail, rather than through the wheels from
the tracks? Also, where can you but model New York Subway trains.
Especially interested in R-20 series, R-30 series, and R-40 series
trains.
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Posted by John on May 23, 1997 at 21:50:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Washington Metro posted by Randolph on May 17,
1997 at 23:49:19:
A few things about the Washington subway: The lighting in the stations
are very poor. The fare zones are also a pain in the ass to figure out
and the turnstiles are strange. The trains run very smoothly and are
more like commuter rail trains (the trains used on Metro-North and the
LIRR are slightly similar to the Washington subway trains in that
there are two doorways on both sides and the seating arrangement is
similar). However, being a native New Yorker, the Washington subway is
one of those systems that is nice to ride in for a visit, but to me,
there is nothing like the New York City Subway System.
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Posted by John on May 23, 1997 at 21:52:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Julio Perez on May 16,
1997 at 07:18:14:
There is a picture of a train crossing a grade crossing on the
Canarsie Line in the 1996 New York City Subway calander (I forgot what
month, though).
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Posted by John on May 23, 1997 at 21:54:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Randolph on May 17, 1997 at 23:55:53:
So then if that's the case, it looks like we have to replace every
single bus line in New York City with a subway line.
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Posted by Zack on May 23, 1997 at 23:22:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 23, 1997
at 21:41:59:
i wouldent have a clue. now if somebody would go scaling down the side
of the bridge the tracks are suppose to be on we'll find out for
shure.(any voulenteers?)
(P.S) there should be an entire section at N.Y.C.S.R dedicated to this
"rumor"
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Posted by Nathan on May 23, 1997 at 23:39:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 1940's era help. posted by Charles Fiori on May
23, 1997 at 08:16:57:
Subway destination signs? how much would you charge for them?
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Posted by Nathan on May 23, 1997 at 23:44:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: subway NOISE posted by M.J.S. on May 23, 1997 at
21:19:59:
Ahaaa, I see, so, if you are going to make all these massive,
expensive (only 3 transit systems use these advanced technologies on
grand scale, well, one is still under construction) but the mechanical
improvements would cost so much it would not make that much of a
difference if you did add chandeliers and velvet sofas...
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Posted by Jim on May 24, 1997 at 00:29:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by M.J.S. on May 23, 1997
at 21:39:47:
No, I'm not really full of anything. However, when faced with a person
who has taken a totally unreasonable point of view (as I believe that
John has) , I chose to be humorous, albiet my type of humor, to point
out the just how unreasonable that point of view is. I think that
99.9% of us will agree that there are no trains on the Queensboro
bridge now. I also think all but you and John understood that I was
trying to be outrageous. I'm sorry that you did not appreciate my
sense of humor.
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Posted by Jim on May 24, 1997 at 00:48:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Zack on May 23, 1997
at 23:22:35:
Listen guys. No one has to scale the side of the bridge to see the
tracks under the retractable section of the roadway. From Roosevelt
Island, there is a stairway up to the bridge. This was built to give
employees of Byrd S. Cohler Hospital an easy way on and off the
island. Anyway, if you climb this stairway, just before you reach the
roadway level you'll be clearly able to see the tracks beneath it.
Also, on the bridge tower supporting the stairway, just below the
track level, there is a door. This door gives you access to the motor
vault which houses motors #3 & 4. It also has the controls for the
retractable deck.
One word of warning though: The lower end of the stairway, on the
island,
has a fence around it. The stairs also look like they are in very poor
shape. This is to discourage curiosity seekers. One other warning:
When the TA had its' own police force, the foot of the stairway was a
regular post. Now that the TA police have merged with the NYPD, this
is no longer the case but the area is patroled frequently by the
police and the Roosevelt Island Private Security force.
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on May 24, 1997 at 07:43:12:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Quiz posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at
20:27:21:
Here are my quiz answers; most I'm sure of, a few are guesses:
1) The New York City Transit Authority came into being on June 15 of
what year?
1953
2) The NYC Transit Authority began service to the Rockaways on June 28
of what year?
1956
3) What connection unified the BMT & IND. It opened on November 26,
1967. Also, what
was the first connection between the BMT and the IND 12 years earlier?
a) The Chrystie Street Connection (on the B and D lines, including
Grand Street station)
b) The connection now used by the R train, from the 60th St. BMT
tunnel to Queens Plaza
4) What is the busiest subway station in terms of paid fares (33.4
million fares in 1993) ?
Grand Central
5) Which station is the hightest above ground (88 feet above Street
level)?
Smith/9th St.
also which station is the furthest beneath street level. (180 feet) ?
191st St. (1/9 line)
6) What is the location of the only spring switch in the NYC Subway
system? (Hint: Until the
207th Street flyover was built, this site was the
only direct connection between the IRT and IND divisions)
Concourse Yard in the Bronx
7) What SUBWAY station was the last one to be closed (1962) ? (Hint:
not the 3rd Ave El
stations which closed in 1973)
Worth Street (Lex. Ave. line)
8) What was the last subway line to serve all 4 contiguous boroughs of
NY
city ? (The line no longer does)
The "C"--until the southern terminal was cut back to Euclid Ave.
9) What was the last line to operate with Wooden cars?
The Myrtle Ave. el ("MJ")
10) The # 7 line ran to the 1963 NY Worlds fair. What line was built
specifically for the 1939
Worlds Fair?
A spur from the Queens Blvd. line. I think part of it is now the yard
lead for the yard next to
the Kew Gardens (highway) Interchange, I'm not sure about that..
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 24, 1997 at 07:55:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 1940's era help. posted by Nathan on May 23, 1997
at 23:39:07:
Mail me at 3 First Natl Plaza, 26th Floor, Chicago, IL 60602 and let
me know what you are looking for. The Transit Museum in Brooklyn and
Trolley Museum in Connecticut are good sources, too. I'm really trying
to find destination signs from buses.
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on May 24, 1997 at 08:19:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at
22:01:21:
There is one spot on the system where I find the screeching really is
intolerable, that is on
the ramps used by the #5 trains between 149th St.-Grand Concourse
station and the
common 4/5-line tracks north of 138th St-Grand Concourse station.
Investing some money to rebuild this short stretch in a way that would
eliminate screeching
would be worth it. I have sometimes wondered, though, if the problem
couldn't be
addressed by putting some kind of dry lubricant (e.g. graphite) on the
sides (vertical
surfaces) of the rails. I have thought about what is it that actually
makes the squeaking;
I think it is friction between the wheel flanges and the side of the
rail, and that lubrication
here would therfore help. Of course, they would have to be sure that
it could not spread
to the top surface of the rail and impair traction of the train, but I
don't think it would.
Has this been tried? Does it make any sense, or am I way off base in
my idea about
the source of screeching noise on curves?
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SUBJECT>1998 Calendars
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on May 24, 1997 at 13:01:56:
I noticed in one post the mention of a 1996 subway calendar.
I have trolley and railroad but no subway. If anyone knows when
and where I can get a subway calendar please let me know. I realize
it is proably early for 1998. Thanx.
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 24, 1997 at 13:56:42:
All winners of the Chicago Rail fan quiz.com will be posted on June
1st on the board under chicago rail fan quiz winners.com
Remember that there are prizes to be given, so try it and all entries
must be E-mailed, this is the only way that they will be counted.
THANKX
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Posted by John on May 24, 1997 at 14:04:38:
Are there any new designs planned for the current New York subway
trains (such as new interior/exterior colors, new refurbishment
projects, etc)?
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 24, 1997 at 14:31:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Jim on May 24, 1997 at
00:29:43:
I'm sorry if you thought I didn't like this story (I really did) I
just critisized John for continuing with his bogus story, what he must
have meant by full of shit (and what I meant) was that your story
(like his) was bogus (hence: shit). Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Posted by David Pirmann on May 24, 1997 at 16:48:17:
In Reply to: [6]1998 Calendars posted by FRED WELLMAN on May 24, 1997
at 13:01:56:
You can get the calendars for 93-97 from a place called Netstuff--
[7]Netstuff Subway Page.
They're well worth it, there are some pretty good photos in them.
--Dave
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Posted by ~airplane on May 24, 1997 at 18:21:52:
My apologies to those who e-mailed me to request the NYT article on
the 6 line and never goot it. My computer contracted a virus on
Thursday that forced me to wipe out everything, including the article.
If anyone still has it, and could send it to me, it would be a big
help.
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Posted by Steve on May 24, 1997 at 19:40:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by M.J.S. on May 23,
1997 at 21:29:12:
I must plead ignorance. I have never heard the R-110A referred to as
the R-130 before. Where did you get that designation? I am not
doubting you but I must confess that I did some research today and
found no R-130 designation anywhere.
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SUBJECT>THE ANSWERS TO THE QUIZ
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Posted by Steve on May 24, 1997 at 19:56:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Quiz posted by Dan Schwartz on May 24, 1997
at 07:43:12:
First, thanks for everyone who played along. Those of you who have
E-Mailed me, your patches are in the mail or will be as soon as I get
your mailing address. To anyone else, perhaps we will do this again
soon - if our host, Dave, doesn't object to using up so much of his
space.
Dan has saved me the trouble of posting the correct answers to most of
the questions. The one he got wrong was question #4. Actually Grand
Central was second with 29.9 million fares in 1993.
The most common mistake was in the response to question #6. Many
people stated that they thought the correct answer was Queensboro
Plaza. This was wrong for two reasons. First, Queensboro Plaza
connects the IRT with the BMT, not the IND and second, there is no
Spring Switch there. The ONLY spring switch in the entire NYCT system
is #99 Switch in Concourse Yard on the car wash track.
The second most common mistake was that the deepest station was 181
St. on either the A or the 1/9 line. My source for this was "The NY
City Transit's Facts & Figures"
Finally, for question #3, Dan had the correct answers but many of you
correctly pointed out the connection from the IND to the BMT between
Church and Ditmas Ave.s on the F line.
Thanks again to all who played along !!!!!
Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 24, 1997 at 19:57:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Quiz posted by Dan Schwartz on May 24, 1997
at 07:43:12:
First, thanks for everyone who played along. Those of you who have
E-Mailed me, your patches are in the mail or will be as soon as I get
your mailing address. To anyone else, perhaps we will do this again
soon - if our host, Dave, doesn't object to using up so much of his
space.
Dan has saved me the trouble of posting the correct answers to most of
the questions. The one he got wrong was question #4. Actually Grand
Central was second with 29.9 million fares in 1993. The correct answer
was Times Square.
The most common mistake was in the response to question #6. Many
people stated that they thought the correct answer was Queensboro
Plaza. This was wrong for two reasons. First, Queensboro Plaza
connects the IRT with the BMT, not the IND and second, there is no
Spring Switch there. The ONLY spring switch in the entire NYCT system
is #99 Switch in Concourse Yard on the car wash track.
The second most common mistake was that the deepest station was 181
St. on either the A or the 1/9 line. My source for this was "The NY
City Transit's Facts & Figures"
Finally, for question #3, Dan had the correct answers but many of you
correctly pointed out the connection from the IND to the BMT between
Church and Ditmas Ave.s on the F line.
Thanks again to all who played along !!!!!
Steve
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on May 24, 1997 at 21:37:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 1998 Calendars posted by David Pirmann on May 24,
1997 at 16:48:17:
Thanx for the info.
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SUBJECT>Re: track map PATH
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 24, 1997 at 23:03:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: track map PATH posted by John on May 23, 1997 at
19:09:21:
does anyone have track plans of the present path and
future extensions,,,,on the new jersey side
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on May 25, 1997 at 00:27:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Jim on May 22, 1997 at
00:18:39:
All kidding aside, while riding an "N" train a few days ago I looked
across at the north outer
roadway of the bridge and I DID see what appeared to be tracks on it.
Were the remnants
of the original tracks simply covered over with concrete or asphalt,
to be revealed again
when the paving is removed by construction? I know that trolley tracks
sometimes pop up
on streets this way. I would have thought that on a bridge they would
not want to leave
extra weight such as unused rails, but I guess it's possible. Or were
the "rails" I saw just
part of the construction equipment, perhaps part of a form into which
new concrete will be
poured?
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SUBJECT>Toronto subway /abandoned stations
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Posted by Brian on May 25, 1997 at 00:45:54:
I have heard from various sources that there is a disused lower-level
platform at Bay station on the Toronto subway system.
Is this true?
What does it look like?
When did the TTC stop using it?
Are there any pictures available of it?
Also, I was wondering if there are any other abandoned subway stations
in Toronto.
Any information on any of the above topics would be greatly
appreciated.
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POSTER>Nathan McCartney
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Posted by Nathan McCartney on May 25, 1997 at 01:39:13:
In Reply to: [6]Toronto subway /abandoned stations posted by Brian on
May 25, 1997 at 00:45:54:
Yeah, I found this information at the following site:
http://web.idirect.com/~ttc/subway.html
passengers on Bloor trains would be taken downtown from this location
onto the University line without having to transfer. This service is
no longer available and passengers must transfer at St.
George Station.
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SUBJECT>Re: Toronto subway /abandoned stations (Correction)
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Posted by Nathan McCartney on May 25, 1997 at 01:41:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Toronto subway /abandoned stations posted by
Nathan McCartney on May 25, 1997 at 01:39:13:
for some reason, the entire paragraph wasn't recorded. here it is!
The first phase of the Bloor-Danforth subway inter-connected with
Yonge and St. George stations. At Bay Station two platforms were
constructed, one underneath the other. Lower Bay, now used for film
production and storage, was utilized for a time for integrated
service, meaning that
passengers on Bloor trains would be taken downtown from this location
onto the University line without having to transfer. This service is
no longer available and passengers must transfer at St.
George Station.
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Does anyone know what the CURRENT state of the Manhattan Bridge is
regarding subways? I am especially wanting to know whether any repairs
are being carried out AT PRESENT and the likelihood of N trains using
the bridge and the reinstatement of express trains on the Broadway
line.
Does anyone also know how the DoT or MTA or whoever responsible for
repairing the brdige managed to carry out months of expensive repairs
and still not be able to return the southern tracks to service?
Has the link between the BMT Broadway tracks at Canal to the bridge
been
closed? I hope not. Any other Manhattan Bridge information out there??
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Posted by Steve on May 25, 1997 at 10:27:27:
In Reply to: [6]Manhattan Bridge posted by Keranu on May 25, 1997 at
08:53:01:
The NYState DOT is responsible for the bridge repairs which are
on-going. On a recent trip over the bridge, I saw the decking panels
stacked up near the Brooklyn end of the bridge. Once completed, there
is every expectation that the N train or another B'way line train will
again use the bridge.
The Canal Street connection has been removed. The tracks are no longer
there although the tunnel is in tact. While restoration might be
possible, it would involve the construction of an interlocking plant
and the expense would far outweigh the benifit.
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Posted by Joel on May 25, 1997 at 12:19:57:
2 ¼ square transparencies represent a mixed collection of railroad
equipment both steam, diesel, and electric traction. These slides are
from the period of the mid-fifties to the early sixties.
Unfortunately, I really can not give the proper nomenclature of the
equipment or where they where taken. The best I can give you is a
general overview. I am quite positive that each one of these slides is
invaluable in its own right. All are in good condition and are
Kodacrone transparencies. As best I can tell these are some of the
locations & equipment I can figure 1. NY-Penn RR , 2. Erie RR, 3. RDC
equipment, 4. Canadian Traction, 5. Rochester Transit, 6. Various
trolley and electric traction lines throughout the US and Canada.
In closing, I am afraid I am not a RR buff anymore, I would like to
pass my collection on to someone who could appreciated them and share
them with the rest of the world. These are irreplaceable and priceless
for a true collector. I am only asking for $5 a transparency. I just
sold 800 slides to a fellow RR buff, who was only interested in NY
subway equipment. You can contact him at pirmann@quuxuum.org for a
reference.
Joel
dimpydoo@melnibone.org
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 25, 1997 at 12:52:46:
PLEASE THER ARE PRIZES
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 25, 1997 at 13:15:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by Steve on May 24,
1997 at 19:40:39:
This might be wrong but I read at the JoeKorNer's
(http://home.earthlink.net/~joekor)all time R-contract list (all 144
of them) that the R-110 was just the contract for the design and the
R130 & R131 are the contracts for the actual cars to Kawasaki and
Bombardier.
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Posted by David Pirmann on May 25, 1997 at 15:53:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Steve on May 25, 1997
at 10:27:27:
Actually, the CANAL street connection is still there. The Nassau
connection is the one that was severed (back in '67 when Chrystie St.
opened).
--Dave
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Posted by Nathan on May 25, 1997 at 19:07:36:
I heard from someone that "Jane's" made a book containing an
exhaustive list of Urban Transport related material. Does anyone know
if this publication exists, and if so, the exact name of the book so I
can have it ordered? Thanx
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Posted by Steve on May 25, 1997 at 20:09:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by M.J.S. on May 25,
1997 at 13:15:57:
I will check it out on Tuesday. I would not doubt it, however. The
R-34s were referred to as R-11s long after the designation was changed
officially and the R-1s & up were referred to as R-9s although most
were not.
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Posted by Steve on May 25, 1997 at 20:16:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Quiz posted by Mark S Feinman on May 23,
1997 at 13:27:26:
One thing I've learned in taking exams, both in college and Civil
Service, is that no matter how well though out they are, there will be
questions with unanticipated answers. 9th Ave station, is not closed.
There is only a dis-used platform. The subway system has many of them.
For my source reference I used a TA publication called "New York City
Transit's Facts & Figures" . It was given away at the APTA convention
held in NYC in 1995.
(Please don't write and tell me it was 94 because that's not the
point). Had I had the foresight, I would have grabbed a bunch of them.
I think they would have made a better prize.
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Posted by Steve on May 25, 1997 at 20:20:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by David Pirmann on May
25, 1997 at 15:53:22:
It's been 30 years since the Chryitie St. connection was made. At the
time, I was using the line to go to and from Brooklyn Tech. I can not
remember the exact track arrangement of that time but if anyone has an
accurate pictorial representation, I'd be very interested in seeing
it.
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Posted by Steve on May 25, 1997 at 23:21:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by Dan Schwartz on May 24,
1997 at 08:19:52:
Flange oilers are common throughout the system. I am not familiar with
the area that you are talking about, however, so I can't say whether
they are there and not working or have never been installed.
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Posted by Steve on May 25, 1997 at 23:24:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Dan Schwartz on May
25, 1997 at 00:27:29:
Please ...... Lets not get the ball rolling again !!!
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Posted by Keranu on May 26, 1997 at 06:48:14:
I have read on this web site that LEDs are to be used to display line
numbers on the IRTs R-110A trains. Does this mean that only a white on
black number will be shown? If so, this signals the beginning of the
end of
the coloured circles with the number/letter of train inside. Does
anyone
have any info on the likelihood of the R-110As showing the number
inside
an appropriately coloured circle. I reckon that colour coding really
helps
with getting around by subwayu and is an integral part of the system.
I know that platform and station signs will of course still be colour
coded by I think that trains should conform to the pattern too.
Anyone have any info on destination indicators on R110s?
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Posted by Keranu on May 26, 1997 at 06:50:35:
I was wondering about the number of cars per train. Is this right?
Corrections welcome:
Max no. of cars per train
IRT: All 10 cars long except no.3, 9 cars long
BMT: All 8 cars long (R110s 9 cars long)
IND: All 8 cars long (R110s 9 cars long)
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Posted by Keranu on May 26, 1997 at 07:09:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by Quigebo on May 22,
1997 at 16:21:03:
I know this is a strange request, Quigebo, but can you remember
whether
the R110As that you rode on displayed the number on the front in the
normal way (white number inside green/red circle) or was it shown in a
different way using LEDs. I have never seen an R110 but have read that
the
ones to be used on numbered (IRT) lines are to use LEDs for the front
route number whilst the R110Bs to be used on BMT & IND lines are to
have
normal roll-sign numbers.
Can anyone clear this up for me?
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on May 26, 1997 at 07:21:07:
In Reply to: [6]End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
Keranu on May 26, 1997 at 06:48:14:
They are color-coded. I have ridden the "new technology" train on the
#2 line several
times; the "2" in a RED circle lights up on the front of the train.
Someone on this board
reported having seen this train in service as a #5, and that the front
destination sign lit
up green. If the train uses an RGB system of lights it can can
generate any color.
On the other hand, red and green are sufficient for any of the major
N-S IRT trunk lines
(1-6 and 9). With just those two colors, it could display appropriate
colors for any IRT
line except the #7 and the 42nd Street Shuttle. Since blue LEDs are
rare, and equipment
to accurately control intensity of the displayed colors when forming
other colors would be
an extra expense, I suspect that the train shows two colors only, but
I don't know for sure.
Displays on the sides of cars are not color-coded.
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Posted by Keranu on May 26, 1997 at 08:12:08:
I had never heard of them until I read this site. Are they newer than
the
R110S?! (I'm guessing yes).
What lines will they be used on? Are there designs for both Division A
AND B lines?
Can they show COLOURED circles on the front of the train? Do they use
LEDs? Have any prototypes been built? I actually live nearly 5,000
miles
from NYC so excuse me if the answers to some of these questions are
really obvious. I haven't ridden the subway since April when I was on
holiday. Have the R110s been introduced full-time on any lines yet?
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Posted by Pat Villani on May 26, 1997 at 09:41:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by John on May 23, 1997
at 21:44:33:
I know of one modeler who used third rail power in an O guage (1:48)
layout. It may be possible to do it in HO, but I have yet to try it.
For more information on models and kits, see:
http://www.nycsubway.org/saleitems.html for a list of vendors. I'm
also constructing an addition to my web site on Modeling the NYC
Subway System at: http://www.iop.com/~patv/railroad.html. It's still
under construction but check there from time to time as I make
additions.
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Posted by Steve on May 26, 1997 at 11:28:55:
In Reply to: [6]What are R142s?! posted by Keranu on May 26, 1997 at
08:12:08:
The R-142s are the new-tech cars that have been ordered for the IRT.
They will be used to replace the 'RedBirds' on all lines that
currently use them including the 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7. The R-110s, both A
and B division versions have been in service (more or less) since
1993. There is one of each.
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Posted by Steve on May 26, 1997 at 11:36:34:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Subway train lengths posted by Keranu on May 26,
1997 at 06:50:35:
The #7 line uses 11 car trains.
The G line uses six 75' cars or in a rare case, eight 60' cars.
The C, J, L, M & Z trains use eight 60' cars
The A, B, E, F, N, & R trains use either ten 60' cars or eight 75'
cars
The D & Q lines use eight 75' cars.
The FS line uses two 75' cars
These are the usual consists. On weekends and on the late night hours,
trains can be significantly shortened on some lines.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 26, 1997 at 12:16:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by Dan Schwartz on May 26, 1997 at 07:21:07:
You know this is what I dont understand.Why does the TA think its has
to replace the destination signs with elecronic ones to begin with.I
meen think about it,what is the purpose of this?Are the electronic
signs easier to read?And how would they show up in the bright sun?I
think it is a dumb idea and a stupid waste of money.You would think
that the TA could find other,more resourcefull ways to spend to little
money it has.
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Posted by David Pirmann on May 26, 1997 at 12:35:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Steve on May 25, 1997
at 20:20:41:
See [7]Subway Track Maps. There are diagrams of both pre- and
post-Chrystie St.
-Dave
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Posted by Harry R on May 26, 1997 at 12:48:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 10:32:28:
Does anybody have any info regarding the park/ride service at Shea ?
Cost ? Connection to 7 Train ? Safety at the park/ride lot ?
directions etc
Thanks
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Posted by Steve on May 26, 1997 at 13:30:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by David Pirmann on May
26, 1997 at 12:35:17:
I checked the pre & post Chrystie St. commections. My recollections
were correct. Originally, the north side of the bridge was connected
to Canal Street. When the Chrystie St. cut was completed, this
connection was severed. What I was referring to was what it would take
to re-establish this connection until the south side of the bridge is
completed. This is what I thought the original writer was asking.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 26, 1997 at 15:18:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
26, 1997 at 11:36:34:
Nine car trains on the '3' don't sound right. I know the '3' has a
couple of short platforms but I didn't think there were any single
units left. Are the R-62's set up in three car sets for that line
instead of fives???
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 26, 1997 at 15:52:27:
In Reply to: [6]End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
Keranu on May 26, 1997 at 06:48:14:
When you post to an AMERICAN site, talking about an AMERICAN subway,
please speak AMERICAN.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 26, 1997 at 15:57:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by Bryan Layne on May 26, 1997 at 12:16:52:
Electronic signs SAVE the MTA money by eliminating delays caused by
making the crew go through the entire train and crank the rollersigns,
if you said that replacing rollersigns with LED displays on existing
trains was a waste I'd agree, and since the MTA is already spending
billions on new trains this is not a waste of money, unless you think
that buying new trains is a waste of money.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 26, 1997 at 16:00:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Gerry O'Regan
on May 26, 1997 at 15:18:49:
R62s are single units.
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Posted by Steve on May 26, 1997 at 16:33:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by M.J.S. on May
26, 1997 at 16:00:44:
The R-62As are single car units. The R-62s are permanently linked in 5
car consists.
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Posted by Steve on May 26, 1997 at 16:43:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by Bryan Layne on May 26, 1997 at 12:16:52:
The vinyl sign rolls have distinct disadvantages. They are very costly
to use because a crew member must set each one individually. They are
also very costly to maintain. Nylon gears and ripped vinyl strips are
time consuming to replace. On the other hand, the LCD signs on the
R-44 and R-46 fleets are very cost effective in both maintenance and
use. The utility of maintaining the traditional end sign colors is
marginal. The same argument was used when the TA eliminated the Marker
Lights. Anyone remember the Marker Light aspects of the IND/BMT lines.
By the way, only one line still has marker lights, which one?
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In Reply to: [6]Toronto subway /abandoned stations posted by Brian on
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Brian wrote:
[ snip ]
> Are there any pictures available of it?
A few JPGs, as well as a capsule history of the station, can be found
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http://www.interlog.com/~cygnals/zine/issue8/subway.htm
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 26, 1997 at 19:19:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
26, 1997 at 11:36:34:
While the Franklin Shuttle indeed has only two cars open for
passengers, there are actually four cars in the consist (two of which
are shut off). At least four cars are needed in order to generate
sufficient braking force. That length also may be necessary to avoid
power loss on third-rail gaps.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 26, 1997 at 19:30:46:
In Reply to: [6]THE ANSWERS TO THE QUIZ - Corrected posted by Steve on
May 24, 1997 at 19:57:57:
Regarding the busiest station on the system - is Times Square busier
than Grand Central on its own, or only when the station at 42nd/8th is
included in the total?
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Posted by Quigebo on May 26, 1997 at 20:36:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by Keranu on May 26,
1997 at 07:09:44:
Yes, I remember. The R110A uses LEDs to display the #s
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Posted by Mike Redondo on May 26, 1997 at 21:06:19:
What is the most used subway in the New York City area and how many
people go on it daly and at the most used time?
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Posted by Steve on May 26, 1997 at 21:08:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Peter Rosa on
May 26, 1997 at 19:19:49:
It's not often that I tell someone that they are absolutely wrong but
in this case, I feel that I must. Braking force is not dependent on
train length. That is a common misconception. NYCT cars, including the
R-68s used on the Franklin Ave. Shuttle are designed to have a maximum
braking rate of 3.2 MPH/Sec. The braking rate is set by each car
independently to compensate for variations in customer loading. A
single car and an eight car teain have exactly the same braking rates.
As for 3rd rail gaps, once again you are mis-informed. The trains
which pick up the money from the token booths are comprised of 2 R-15s
or R-22s. The trains are 102 feet long and have no problem with gaps.
The 2 car R-68 trains used on the Franklin Shuttle are 150 feet long.
The change from 4 car R-32s to 2 car R-68s on the FS was made several
months ago due to changes in train operation on that line.
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Posted by Charles on May 26, 1997 at 21:27:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains posted by M.J.S. on May 23,
1997 at 21:29:12:
The R110A is a test train the pre cursor to the R142 model. I am not
familiar with the Revenue contract R130. The R110B is the Pre Cursor
to the R143. By the way, when the R110A ran on the 5 it was not able
to stop at 14 St. The train is also hard to chase because it is out of
service more often than it is in service.
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Posted by David Pirmann on May 26, 1997 at 22:46:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by Steve on May 26, 1997 at 16:43:28:
The PATH trains still use marker lights, but I didn't know the subway
still did....
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 27, 1997 at 00:23:07:
In Reply to: [6]Jane's Urban Transport Systems book?? posted by Nathan
on May 25, 1997 at 19:07:36:
i have a few of them ,,,,about 8,,,call me,for more
info ,,,413 533 0396
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 00:38:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by David Pirmann on May 26, 1997 at 22:46:53:
I was on the #7 train Thursday night and was surprised to see that the
markers were still in use.
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 00:49:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: THE ANSWERS TO THE QUIZ - Corrected posted by
Peter Rosa on May 26, 1997 at 19:30:46:
As Richard Nixon used to say, "I'm glad you asked that question."
According to my source, the Times Square Station includes the
following lines: A,C,E,N,R,S,1,2,3,7 & 9.
The number of annual fares cited 33.4 million vs 29.9 for Grand
Central were for 1993 although I doubt that things have changed much.
In case you are interested, the rest of the top 10 are:
3) 34th Herald Square 21.1 million
4) Penn Station 34th St (IRT) 18.9 million
5) Penn Station (IND 8th Ave) 16.3 million
6) 51 St. Lex (IND/IRT) 15.4 million
7) Chambers St. (IND/IRT) 14.6 million
8) 14th St Union Sq. (BMT/IRT) 14.2 million
9) Fulton St. (BMT/IND/IRT) 13.6 million
10) 47th St.-6th Av 12.8 million
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Posted by Nathan on May 27, 1997 at 01:35:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
M.J.S. on May 26, 1997 at 15:52:27:
>>
What was so un-american about that? I understood it fine, (is that
because I am not american??) geesh!!!
PPPFFFFFBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB!!!!
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Posted by Noname on May 27, 1997 at 07:41:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
M.J.S. on May 26, 1997 at 15:52:27:
Please take your provincialism to some other site. The beauty of this
medium is that we can communicate with people of all shapes, sizes,
faiths, languages, etc. You must be from a very closed off part of the
world if how someone spells the word 'colour' does not conform to your
myopic standards!
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Posted by Bill on May 27, 1997 at 07:47:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
26, 1997 at 21:08:33:
The Money trains do have problems at crossovers ( switches). If they
are not moving fast enough to pick up the 3rd rail on the other side
they will stall.
I have seen one train at Atlantic Ave. (IRT) stall over a switch, one
of the crew had to get 3rd rail jumpers and move the train till it
picked up 3rd rail on the other side of switch.
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Posted by Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 10:31:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
Noname on May 27, 1997 at 07:41:30:
Well said!
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 27, 1997 at 10:45:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by M.J.S. on May 26, 1997 at 15:57:01:
Besides being the bane of a collector's existence, the electronic
signs do serve a very useful and cost-efficient purpose. Whenever the
TA wants to change services around, we don't have to go through a
period where trains (or buses, for that matter) ply their routes with
incorrect signage. Remember back in the early 80's, with reassignment
of the R46's to the CC line, the TA had to have stickers made up and
pasted on to existing Mylar curtains. It was a glaring symbol of the
band-aid period the Authority endured. Also remember when the R46s
were introduced, all side signs in the train could be controlled from
the operator's cab. When the JFK was inaugurated, TA staffers had to
figure out the bar coding system so that the JFK signs could be
spliced on to the existing rolls.
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Posted by Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 10:47:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Steve on May 26, 1997
at 13:30:06:
Thanks for your help, does anyone know what sort of timescale we are
talking until the Broadway Express is reintroduced and until the N
uses
Manhattan Bridge again? Is the M likely to run back into Bklyn at
middays
as well when the N is transferred?
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Posted by Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 10:47:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Manhattan Bridge posted by Steve on May 26, 1997
at 13:30:06:
Thanks for your help, does anyone know what sort of timescale we are
talking until the Broadway Express is reintroduced and until the N
uses
Manhattan Bridge again? Is the M likely to run back into Bklyn at
middays
as well when the N is transferred?
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Posted by Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 11:05:47:
In Reply to: [6]SUBWAY posted by Mike Redondo on May 26, 1997 at
21:06:19:
I am not sure, but I have heard that the most over-used train is
the E train from World Trade Center, Manhattan - Jamaica Center,
Queens.
According to the Queens Cordon report thing, some of these trains are
carrying more than 27% over-capacity as they head through the tunnels
between Manhattan and Queens (Lex Av - Ely Av)
The #7 train had the biggest ridership rise last year though I don't
know
what this ranks the line in terms of ACTUAL ridership.
PS: This is only a suggestion, but you should make your title more
specific since there are A LOT of queries about the subway. This means
that if the title is on a subject people know about, they will read
it and more will respond.
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Posted by Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 11:13:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
M.J.S. on May 26, 1997 at 15:52:27:
Would you go this mad about a misprint?
Besides, the language is called ENGLISH. I think we invented it.
Sorry if my spelling of COLOR caused you great distress. You can get
down
from the balcony and untie the noose. I will try and speak AMERICAN.
NEIGHBOR, METER, CENTER, etc as opposed to neighbour, metre, centre.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 27, 1997 at 12:59:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 11:13:10:
Keranu,
Unfortunately there are some insensitive, uptight and rude people out
there but, please be assured that he/she does not represent us all.
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Posted by Shig on May 27, 1997 at 14:09:51:
I have seen the word "money train" several times in this board.
I also remember there was a movie about subway train collecting
money at each station.
Does such "money train" really exist in NYC subway?
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 14:31:57:
In Reply to: [6]Money Train? posted by Shig on May 27, 1997 at
14:09:51:
They are referred to as 'Collectors' and they do exist.
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 15:06:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Bill on May 27,
1997 at 07:47:07:
T'is rare but it does happen. That's why 3rd rail jumpers are stored
around most yard leads and interlockings. This by no means alters my
answer to the original question.
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Posted by on May 27, 1997 at 15:13:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by Charles Fiori on May 27, 1997 at 10:45:46:
The R-46 Identra Side Sign system was nothing
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 15:17:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 00:38:55:
It seems that I spoke too soon. I was on the #2 this morning and the
red birds there also had marker lights. It would seem that they were
nor removed during overhaul. This is in contrast with the R-32s and
R-38s where the cars were equipped qith markers when new but were
removed during overhaul in 1988-89. At the present time, no B division
car has markers.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 27, 1997 at 15:55:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
26, 1997 at 16:33:29:
I never realized that that was the case.
Question:
Are the R-62 cars double ended as the R-33 (7) cars are or single
ended?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 27, 1997 at 16:17:31:
In Reply to: [6]Money Train? posted by Shig on May 27, 1997 at
14:09:51:
Yes, there is a money train (in fact, there may be more than one)
which makes pickups from token booths in the nighttime hours. There is
a special platform off the N and R line in Brooklyn, so the money
train can unload directly into the basement of TA headquarters.
The days of the money train might be numbered, though; I've heard that
the TA is making increased use of regular armored trucks.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 27, 1997 at 16:25:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: THE ANSWERS TO THE QUIZ - Corrected posted by
Steve on May 27, 1997 at 00:49:23:
Thanks for the clarification. Is there any information on what Times
Square would be without 42nd/8th? There's at least some case for
arguing that they are separate stations despite the passageway. I
suppose that if they are considered as separate stations, Grand
Central would be back into first place.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 27, 1997 at 16:49:58:
In Reply to: [5]R-46 Side Signs posted by on May 27, 1997 at 15:13:31:
Your point being, O mysterious one?
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 27, 1997 at 17:11:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Gerry O'Regan
on May 27, 1997 at 15:55:24:
Yes, R-62's are double ended or single units (as opposed to married
pairs).
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 27, 1997 at 17:51:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Money Train? posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at
14:31:57:
The money trains (also called revenue collection cars) do indeed
exist, but not in the form as in the movie. The real trains are former
passenger R-21s (I think), and I think the one in the movie was also
an R-21, but the real trains are painted yellow with diagonal black
stripes on the ends of the cars.
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Posted by John on May 27, 1997 at 17:58:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: SUBWAY posted by Keranu on May 27, 1997 at
11:05:47:
I think the number 6 (Lex-Pelham) also ranks up there. By experience,
I also say the number 7, the D, and sometimes the number 2 or 4. By
the way, a recent survey showed that, in terms of service, the B is
the worst line in the system, and the #7 is the best.
P.S. - Why does the C train run with only four cars on the weekend?
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Posted by John on May 27, 1997 at 18:01:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are R142s?! posted by Steve on May 26, 1997
at 11:28:55:
The R-110s are not in revenue service yet, but they have been tested
in passenger service (although I haven't seen one). I think they will
go into revenue service beginning in 1999. I'll be sorry to see the
Redbirds go, though.
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 19:57:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Gerry O'Regan
on May 27, 1997 at 15:55:24:
The R-62s have an operating cab at each end of the 5-car link. It
would be useless to have a cab elsewhere since the the cars are
permanently linked. The couplers and electric portions were removed
and replaced by link bars and litton connectors. These cars run only
on the #4 line. The R-62As, on the 1, 2, 3, 6, & 9 lines are single
car units. Incidently, the R-68As are being similarly linked into
4-car units. The R-68s are not.
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Posted by Jim on May 27, 1997 at 19:58:54:
In Reply to: [5]R-46 Side Signs posted by on May 27, 1997 at 15:13:31:
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Posted by Jim on May 27, 1997 at 20:04:59:
In Reply to: [6]R-46 Side Signs posted by on May 27, 1997 at 15:13:31:
Sorry that my message was truncated. To repeat what I had tried to
say:
The R-46 Identra Sign System was nothing short of a disaster. By 1980,
it was virtually inoperable on the entire 754 car fleet. (there were
754 at one time). By 1982, RTO (rapid transit operations) prohibited
the train crews from using it, hence each car had to have both signs
manually cranked into position. This system relied heavily on motors
and gears which due to binding and spikes in torque, ripped the sign
rolls. If the sign rolls didn't rip, the plastic gears split. This is
not to be confused with the vastly superior Luminator LCD system on
the R-44s and R-46s...
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 20:08:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: THE ANSWERS TO THE QUIZ - Corrected posted by
Peter Rosa on May 27, 1997 at 16:25:50:
There was no such date. While passing through Penn Station this
morning, I thought that had the 6th, 7th & 8th Ave lines had a free
transfer @ 34th Street. That area would be the busiest by far. Most
surprising was that Columbus Circle (A,B,C,D, 1 & 9) didn't make the
top 10.
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POSTER>~airplane
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Posted by ~airplane on May 27, 1997 at 20:22:29:
In Reply to: [6]Problem with sending article posted by ~airplane on
May 24, 1997 at 18:21:52:
I've got it back now. Thanks Dave!
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Posted by Quigebo on May 27, 1997 at 22:55:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
27, 1997 at 19:57:19:
R62As are not used on the #2 line. The #2 is all R33s with an
occasional R29 and the R110A. However, Kawasaki R62s did run as #2s
for a short while in '83 and '84. Why they didn't stay there, I'll
never understand. Just another one of those bonehead TA decisions.
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Posted by John on May 27, 1997 at 23:07:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-46 Side Signs posted by Jim on May 27, 1997 at
20:04:59:
How laborsome is it to crank those signs? Do the people that crank the
signs (do the motormen do it, or the conductors?) ever get arthritis
or similar problems caused by cranking?
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 23:12:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are R142s?! posted by John on May 27, 1997 at
18:01:33:
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 23:23:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are R142s?! posted by John on May 27, 1997 at
18:01:33:
I beg to differ with you - or should I say New Your City Transit
disagrees with you. Let me quote from page #7 of the " NYC Transit
Facts & Figures",
"Nov. 19, 1992 - NYC Transit unveils two New Technology Test Trains at
a Transit Museum open house. With their development based on customer
input, the trains feature improvements in communications, safety,
secuity and comfort. In the summer of 1993 they begin operating IN
REVENUE SERVICE - one on the #2 line and the other on the A line."
I realize that your definition of revenue service may differ from NYC
Transit but since it is the TA that is providing the service and it is
the TA that is collecting the revenue, I think that I'll go with their
definition....
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Posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at 23:39:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Quigebo on May
27, 1997 at 22:55:21:
You are correct. The 2 was an errant key stroke. They do run redbirds
on the #2 line. However, I disagree with your assessment that putting
the R-62s on the #4 line was a "BoneHead" idea. There are 14
maintenance shops throughout the system. The revenue fleet is spread
over 13 of them. The idea is to give each shop enough cars to meet
its' service requirements while limiting the number of different car
contracts assigned to each. That way fewer different parts have to be
stocked at each location and maintenance is standardized to a greater
degree. When the fleet assignments are made things like spare factors,
type of main control groups & type of brakes are considered.
Unfortunately, the desires of rail fans are not considered as
important.
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Posted by Jim on May 27, 1997 at 23:50:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-46 Side Signs posted by John on May 27, 1997 at
23:07:44:
Lets take a line like the R line - where the R-46s are utilized. It is
not uncommon for the terminal signs on an average R train to be
changed 3 or 4 times in a day (from Whitehall to Canal St. or City
Hall etc.) On a 10 car R-32, that's 20 signs to change. If each one
takes 1 minute plus walking time, the time is considerable. Usually
the conductor does it alone or with the help of a second conductor. On
the R-46, either the train Operator or the Conductor enter a 3 digit
security code and then a 2 or 3 digit route code and it's done in
under 10 seconds.
We, of course do not want to mention repetitive motion injuries like
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome or arthritis, do we?
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Posted by christopher lowenthal on May 28, 1997 at 00:14:08:
does anyone have track maps ,,showing
tracks,,crossovers and interlockings,,,and platform
locations
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on May 28, 1997 at 04:12:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 11:13:10:
Don't forget dialing as opposed to dialling...
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 28, 1997 at 07:51:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-46 Side Signs posted by Jim on May 27, 1997 at
20:04:59:
Vastly superior, but not cool. I am pleased to have in my collection a
complete original roll of an R46 side sign (F to 2d Avenue! GG to
Church Avenue, etc.) and though theoretically the Luminators make much
more sense, the extra colors and even the little maps inside were fun.
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Posted by Michael on May 28, 1997 at 09:11:59:
Is there someone who can tell me how many km / miles of lines and
tracks are in service on the NYC-subway today?
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 28, 1997 at 13:31:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by John on May 23, 1997
at 21:44:33:
I have seen HO scale subway modeling with third rail pickup, so it is
possible. However, I think those modelers hand-laid their track, as
there
isn't any commercially available third rail kit currently available
(though Images Replicas is supposed to come out with one soon).
For models, check out http://www.nycsubway.org/saleitems.html.
MTS Imports planned to make R-32 subway cars (and I think R40s) but
due to
the expense of brass and lack of interest, these models were never
made in
HO scale.
So far, images replicas seemes to be the only supplier making NYC
subway
models in plastic kits. DOn't know if they plan on doing any BMT/IND
division stock, though.
--Mark
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Posted by Keranu on May 28, 1997 at 15:20:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
Ben-Zion Cassouto on May 28, 1997 at 04:12:30:
We write the date differently too in the UK. Day/Month/Year
Today is 28/5/97 in UK and 5/28/97 in US. Weird!
I didn't know about "dialling" I say "to-mah-to" and you say
"to-may-to"
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Posted by John on May 28, 1997 at 16:57:42:
In Reply to: [5]net lengh posted by Michael on May 28, 1997 at
09:11:59:
722 miles of track in revenue service (rough estimate).
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SUBJECT>Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
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Posted by Keranu on May 28, 1997 at 17:08:56:
I'm sure many people will not confuse it with the long-gone #8 train.
Is this a good idea or is the diamond system already well understood?
This could be extended by a different code for #6 expresses. This may
be sheer trivia but it would make life easier.
ALSO: Is this right? 1/9 skip-stop operates in both directions at rush
hours whilst J/Z skip stops only in the peak direction whilst in the
opposite direction only the J train runs. This is according to a
subway
map and a board at Broad Street station.
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Posted by John on May 28, 1997 at 17:09:35:
What were the lines to use the R-30 cars right before their retirement
(late 1992, early 1993)? Also, what line did the last revenue R-30
travel on?
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on May 28, 1997 at 17:33:36:
In Reply to: [6]R-30 --- Last Call posted by John on May 28, 1997 at
17:09:35:
I have a number of photos showing the R-30's on the C line right
before their retirement. Back then the C was still going out to
Rockaway Park.
--Dave
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Posted by John on May 28, 1997 at 20:06:38:
In Reply to: [5]Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion? posted
by Keranu on May 28, 1997 at 17:08:56:
You know, I've thought about that same thing. It might be a little
easier, especially when given in oral instruction (if someone was
saying "Be sure to take the train that has the 7 in the circle rather
than in the diamond", they could simply say "take the #7 train". For
the number 6 express, a new name might be the number 10? Maybe not. I
don't know. Anyway, the information about the 1/9 and the J/Z I
beleive is correct.
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SUBJECT>Re: SORRY about 4 messages above!
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Posted by John on May 28, 1997 at 20:09:17:
In Reply to: [5]SORRY about 4 messages above! posted by Embarrassed
Keranu on May 28, 1997 at 17:12:18:
No big deal. We all forgive you. Try not to get too carried away on a
subject that has nothing to do with this board, though.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at 21:12:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: net lengh posted by John on May 28, 1997 at
16:57:42:
Track mileage is figured two ways, route miles and track miles. Here
are the official numbers:
Underground = 137 route miles or 443 track miles
Elevated = 70 route miles or 156 track miles
at Grade/open cut = 23 route miles or 57 track miles
Total mileage = 230 route miles or 656 track miles
Also 186 miles of Yard tracks.
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Posted by Curious Zack on May 28, 1997 at 21:24:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-46 Side Signs posted by Jim on May 27, 1997 at
23:50:18:
i thought the R-32's signs are Lumitaor's?
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SUBJECT>Baltimore to New York, New York
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Posted by susan on May 28, 1997 at 21:41:41:
I simply want to know the most direct and safest way to get from
Baltimore to NY, NY. Or from Providence to NY, NY. I'm a native
California who has never been to NY. Coming in July for a trip to Nova
Scotia. Thank you.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Marker Lights
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 28, 1997 at 22:41:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Marker Lights posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at
15:17:30:
Don't forget the R40's had marker lights (the original slanted fronts,
not the later, standard ones. By marker lights I assume you mean the
local/express lights in the front). They were removed when they were
overhauled. Originally the lights were located side-by-side above the
center door.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 28, 1997 at 22:54:37:
In Reply to: [6]Manhattan Bridge posted by Keranu on May 25, 1997 at
08:53:01:
The connection may not have been removed, but the tracks are in
horrible shape. The downtown platform is completely inaccessible
(unless you cross the tracks) and the station signs have been removed
and bricked over. Otherwise nothing really permanent seems to have
been done (nothing that new rails, a jackhammer, and some poured
concrete can't fix 8-)).
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 28, 1997 at 23:06:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to MJS) posted by Charles on
May 26, 1997 at 21:27:39:
Why wasn't able to stop at 14th Street? Wasn't it built to standard
IRT dimensions?
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at 23:42:20:
In Reply to: [6]Baltimore to New York, New York posted by susan on May
28, 1997 at 21:41:41:
If you are driving get on I-95 northbound. If not SlamTrak or the
USAir Shuttle from National.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at 23:51:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Marker Lights posted by Andrew Huie on May 28,
1997 at 22:41:06:
I remember the express/local lights on the R-40S. I don't remember if
the 10s had them but every contract upto and including the Slants had
them. That is not what I was referring to. There were 2 round lights
near the top of the car & forming a rectangle with the tail lights.
When at the rear of the train, they were always red, however, on the
front of the train, the motorman had 2 handles, one for each. He'd
rotate the handles, thereby changing the color of the marker. He had a
choice of Red, White, Yellow or Green on either marker making 16
possible combinations. Every route had it's own particular
combination. This way, the towers could easily tell if a train was
going via 6th Ave or 8th Ave or Crosstown.
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Posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at 23:53:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-46 Side Signs posted by Curious Zack on May 28,
1997 at 21:24:53:
The R-32 & R-38 have Luminator 'Flip Dot' end signs but have
conventional side signs.
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Posted by Nathan on May 29, 1997 at 00:51:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are R142s?! posted by John on May 27, 1997 at
18:01:33:
I thought the the R-110's were test trains, the R-110's that you say
will go into service in 1999, will those be pretty much exact replicas
of the Bombardier prototype R-110's??
PS:Do the R-110's use AC motors?
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Posted by Zack on May 29, 1997 at 02:30:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-46 Side Signs posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at
23:53:12:
how come theay dident make the whole car Luminator "Flip Dot" sings?
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Posted by Smart Zack on May 29, 1997 at 02:32:50:
how come the ta dosent standerd gauge the whole system so any car can
run on any line?
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POSTER>michael
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Posted by michael on May 29, 1997 at 06:03:13:
In Reply to: [6]Main Line Trackage posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at
21:12:42:
Thank You !
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on May 29, 1997 at 07:43:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: El Structure info posted by John on May 23, 1997
at 21:44:33:
Yes it IS POSSIBLE to power model subway/elevated trains from outside
third rail just like the prototype. This has been done successfully by
several modelers in "O" scale including Bob Olsen, Vern Gillman and
the Bay Ridge Club in Brooklyn. In "HO" or smaller scales, it is not
practicable, as the weight of the cars is much lower and not comatible
with the required spring pressure at the third rail for reliable
operation. Joe Frank uses "dummy" third rail in "O" scale also, citing
the improved reliability from two rail pick-up. Check the list of
model suppliers at this website for suppliers of NYCTA subway models.
I know of no commercial models of R-30 or R-40 cars, however MTS
imports did R-15, 17, 22, 29 (with gross errors), 33 and 36 cars in
brass as well as the BMT D type Triplex's (expensive and out of
production). Images Replicas currently is making injection molded
styrene kits of R-21/22 and R-17 cars in HO that are very nice and
relatively inexpensive, but are not powered. They are also not "shake
the box" kits, but require some work. Hope this helps!
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on May 29, 1997 at 07:50:44:
I hope I can get some serious feedback on this historical track
issue...
This will come as a surprise to many (those who care anyway):
According to early Presbrey photos and commentary, and other hints I
picked up here and there - it would seem that contrary to popular
belief, even as seen in ERA track maps -
** The 5th Ave El was reached by the same easterly pair of ramps as
the yard tracks use!
People always show that the westerly abandoned ramps were used for
this -- it is natural, no? NO. In a 1917 photo after the cut was fully
built to its present configuration, those ramps had NO TRACK!
Comments?
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Posted by Dan on May 29, 1997 at 08:08:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Colour Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted
by Charles Fiori on May 27, 1997 at 10:45:46:
The side signs on the SIR's fleet of of R-44s were removed during
the cars refurbishment in the early 1990's. The car-end roller signs
indicate the destination. Since all the trains run between St. George
and
Tottenville (or Great Kills), the side signs were deemed superfluous.
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Posted by Dan on May 29, 1997 at 08:17:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
26, 1997 at 11:36:34:
The Staten Island Railway uses 4-car (R-44) trains. During rush hours
all 4 cars are open. In off-hours 2 cars and sometimes only 1 car is
open.
For a while the SIR was running 2-car trains on weekends, but I think
they
have stopped that practice for now. The 2-car trains appeared to
struggle
up the south bound incline between New Dorp and Oakwood,
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Posted by David Steckler on May 29, 1997 at 08:58:29:
In Reply to: [6]standerd gage posted by Smart Zack on May 29, 1997 at
02:32:50:
The term "standard guage" refers to the distance between the track
rails, e.g., standard guage in the United States is 4 feet, eight and
one-half inches. I think you are asking why certain equipment used on
the BMT lines doesn't operate on the IRT lines. The major difference
lies in the length and width of the cars. The IRT was the first subway
system constructed in NY and the curves are sharper and the tunnels
narrower. A 75 foot car will have difficulty traversing tunnels and
curves built for 60 foot cars.
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Posted by Dave on May 29, 1997 at 09:02:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-30 --- Last Call posted by David Pirmann on May
28, 1997 at 17:33:36:
In April of 1990, there were 112 R-30s assigned to the C line, 8
assigned to the L and 8 assigned to the M.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 29, 1997 at 09:25:05:
In Reply to: [5]Baltimore to New York, New York posted by susan on May
28, 1997 at 21:41:41:
From Providence: I-95 South - If you like to speed - beware of
Connecticut State troopers. They are really strict.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 29, 1997 at 09:35:08:
In Reply to: [5]Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion? posted
by Keranu on May 28, 1997 at 17:08:56:
I understand your point, but I would stick with the current system
because it sort of identifies the #6 & #7 expresses as additional
services on those lines. In other words when you see a #6 or #7 in a
diamond background, even if you don't know what the diamond means, you
will know that this is a train from that particular route (Pelham or
Flushing), whereas if the TA assign a different number for expresses
this might confuse more people.
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POSTER>Charles
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Posted by Charles on May 29, 1997 at 10:26:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to MJS) posted by Andrew Huie
on May 28, 1997 at 23:06:34:
I cannot answer this question. I do know that due to the position of
the doors on this train they will not allign with the gap fillers at
14th Street or South Ferry Loop station
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Posted by Nathan on May 29, 1997 at 11:24:06:
Does anyone know the Toronto transit commision's subway and LRV track
guage? I know that it is wider than standard, but I am not sre by how
much.
Thanx
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 29, 1997 at 12:20:57:
In Reply to: [6]9th Avenue Cut Trackage posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on
May 29, 1997 at 07:50:44:
I was just reading the 1975 Sept - Oct (I think if
memory serves me right) issue of Headlights - the one
that describes Brooklyn elevated lines in detail. I
think the 5th Ave EL was mentioned in the article, so
I'll check it out again for you and report back on what
it says.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 29, 1997 at 12:31:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Marker Lights posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at
23:51:30:
Just checked a picture on my wall of the R-10s. They
had both the local/express lights AND the marker
lights.
--Mark
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 29, 1997 at 12:37:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by John on May 23, 1997 at
21:52:24:
The photo of the A/B standards about to cross the grade
crossing at E 105 St on the Canarsie Line is for
November 1996.
--Mark
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Posted by Steve on May 29, 1997 at 14:02:41:
In Reply to: [6]standerd gage posted by Smart Zack on May 29, 1997 at
02:32:50:
The last time I looked, the TA was standard gauge (4' 8 1/2"). It's
just that the IRT cars are shorter and narrower so B division cars
would not have sufficient clearance in tunnels, on curves and in
stations. As to your question why (I assume that you mean standardize
the car size), I'll answer you with one word;
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 29, 1997 at 14:07:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Marker Lights posted by Mark S Feinman on May 29,
1997 at 12:31:31:
Thank you for the update. I just checked 'my' R-12s and they had them
also.
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Posted by Zack The Genious on May 29, 1997 at 15:21:57:
how come the ta doesent make standerd 60 ft cars on the sys tem to
further intergarte the lines
P.S is nt the bmt wider then the irt/ind?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 29, 1997 at 15:47:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by Wayne Johnson on May 29, 1997 at 09:35:08:
Given their locations, I suspect that most of the riders on the
express portions of the 6 and the 7 are commuters who use those trains
every day, as opposed to tourists or other occasional riders. Rider
confusion therefore isn't a major issue and there's no pressing need
to use the 8 (or some other designation).
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POSTER>Justin
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Posted by Justin on May 29, 1997 at 16:16:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SORRY about 4 messages above! posted by John on
May 28, 1997 at 20:09:17:
I attended a presentation in NYC about the new R110 cars. The MTA
representative said that the new cars have different color LEDs for
different routes... except the #7. It seems that purple (magenta?)
LEDs are hard to find.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on May 29, 1997 at 16:23:08:
In Reply to: [6]Baltimore to New York, New York posted by susan on May
28, 1997 at 21:41:41:
From Baltimore, the most direct route for driving would still be I-95
northbound via the New Jersey Turnpike-----If, by chance, you are
coming into Baltimore from the south, if it is not during rush-hour,
take I-895 thru the Harbor Tunnel---if it IS rush-hour, take I-95 thru
the Ft. McHenry Tunnel---they both parrallel each other--it's just a
matter of timing.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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SUBJECT>Re: TTC Track guage (sp?)
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 29, 1997 at 16:30:03:
In Reply to: [6]TTC Track guage (sp?) posted by Nathan on May 29, 1997
at 11:24:06:
Streetcar track is four feet ten and three quarter inches, I believe!
Some lines were originally standard but when TTC was formed it
standardized on non-standard. The gauge is unique to Toronto. I am not
sure on the subway system.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 29, 1997 at 16:34:43:
In Reply to: [5]standard cars posted by Zack The Genious on May 29,
1997 at 15:21:57:
The length of the cars does not affect integration matters, however,
you are half right about the width. You just got a little mixed up -
the IRT trains are narrower than the BMT/IND trains.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 29, 1997 at 16:39:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Baltimore to New York, New York posted by Steve on
May 28, 1997 at 23:42:20:
SlamTrak? That's AMTRAK, Steve!
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: SORRY about 4 messages above!
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Posted by John on May 29, 1997 at 16:44:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: SORRY about 4 messages above! posted by Justin on
May 29, 1997 at 16:16:00:
Do you think the Transit Authority would be able to get away with
using red for the #7 sign? Purple and red are pretty close to each
other and people who are color-blind or who don't study the signs on
the trains probably won't notice.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 29, 1997 at 16:46:55:
In Reply to: [6]standard cars posted by Zack The Genious on May 29,
1997 at 15:21:57:
Sixty feet was the standard IND car length. The IRT was ans still is
50 feet. The BMT had no standard car length as such since they had the
D types and Multis which were longer than the so-called standards
which were 67 feet. Add to this various forms of rebuilt el cars eg: C
and Q types and you have a mess. The BMT also operated 8' 6" and 10'
wide cars on the same routes, even on Myrtle Av into the 1960s. The C
types and Multis were 10' wide el cars. All subway cars were 10' wide.
The R-16 through R-42 series were primarily built to replace BMT
equipment and standardize the length at 60'. No sooner than that had
been completed, the R-44 and R-46 series were ordered to replace the
original IND cars with 75' cars, followed by the R-68 series to
replace the R-10 to 30s. Either way, the only way to standardize the
whole system would be to go to 50' cars at nine feet wide. Then the
whole system would be standardized on IRT size equipment, all of the B
division would be less efficient.
Enough on that - Here in Boston we have three different lines with
three different sizes of car!
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 29, 1997 at 16:49:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to andrew) posted by Charles
on May 29, 1997 at 10:26:51:
14th Street has gap fillers? I never noticed them before.
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Posted by Quigebo on May 29, 1997 at 18:16:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SORRY about 4 messages above! posted by John on
May 29, 1997 at 16:44:52:
It's possible that the TA could use red on the #7. After all, we refer
to our subway lines by their letters or numbers, not their colors. We
call it "the #7 line", not "the purple line". The question is would
the TA want to use red? That's most likely not going to happen,
because the new R142 cars are going to use roller curtain signs on the
front to display the 7, 2, 5, or whatever other line they're going to
be used on.
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Posted by Quigebo on May 29, 1997 at 18:41:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Baltimore to New York, New York posted by Steve on
May 28, 1997 at 23:42:20:
Hey, quit knocking Amtrak! I'd rather relax on Amtrak than get stuck
or risk my life on I-95! And who in their right mind wants to spend an
arm and a leg for a half-hour shuttle flight that takes forever to
take off and lands a well away from midtown. Takes you a million years
to get from LGA to midtown with all that traffic.And another thing.
More accidents occur by car than by Amtrak, so that SlamTrak remark is
unwanted. Maybe you should take Amtrak before you make a judgement
about it, instead of listening to what Triple-A, General Motors, and a
few members of Congress from the South think.
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POSTER>Quigebo
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Posted by Quigebo on May 29, 1997 at 18:55:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: standard cars posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 29,
1997 at 16:46:55:
The TA is going to standardize the length of the BMT/IND cars at the
dimensions of the BMT Standards cars - 67 feet long, 10 feet wide.
This began with the R110B and will continue with the forthcoming
R143s. Unfortunately, due to the shortsightedness of the subway
planners in the late 1800s, we'll always have at least two sizes of
subway cars that can't run in the same tunnels or use the same
platforms in regular passenger service.
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POSTER>Brian Jakosz
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 29, 1997 at 19:20:48:
ENTER THE CHICAGO RAIL FAN QUIZ BELOW PRIZES WILL BE AWARDED
YOU MUST ENTER BY MAY 31ST HURRY!!!!!!!!
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POSTER>Quigebo
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Posted by Quigebo on May 29, 1997 at 19:21:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by Peter Rosa on May 29, 1997 at 15:47:49:
I have to diasgree with you on that. Even commuters who live along the
6 or 7 get confused, sometimes due to incorrect signage. Passengers
who need to transfer to the E/F/G/R at 74th Street have to make sure
they're not on a 7 express, because it doesn't stop at 74th. Using 8
for the express would clear up that problem. A similar case can be
made for using 10 for the 6 express. Sometimes the crew forgets to
turn the circle 6 to the diamond 6. And with the R142s going into
service on the 7 (possibly the 6, also) you may not know at first
glance if the train is express or local, because of the digital side
destination signs.
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POSTER>Quigebo
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Posted by Quigebo on May 29, 1997 at 19:42:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
27, 1997 at 23:39:51:
No, putting the R62s on the 4 wasn't a "Bonehead" idea. It needed new
equipment to replace its aging R17s. But I saw the R62s and R62As on
the 2, in fact I rode a R62 2 train in 1983. Taking the 62s off the 2
line was wrong, I think. Besides plenty of R33s still plow the 4 line
along with 62s. It would make more sense for the 4 to be all R33s and
the 2 to be split between 33s and 62s (the R110A could also be
assigned to the 4, like I've seen in artist rederings and diagrams of
it) because the 4 has that tiny yard below Tracey Towers while the 2
has the massive 238th Street Yard. By the way, they make deadhead
moves with 62s and 62As to 238th for repairs during middays and
weekends, so they must have spare parts for both Redbirds and 62s.
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on May 29, 1997 at 20:32:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by Quigebo on May 29, 1997 at 19:21:32:
how about assinging it diffrent platforms OR adding a "X" desingation
to the end of it
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SUBJECT>PLEASE SEE THIS APOLOGY IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY MY ANTI-BRITIAN POST
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 29, 1997 at 21:35:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: End of Color Coding? (NYC Subway R110As) posted by
Keranu on May 27, 1997 at 11:13:10:
I only meant that as a joke, it's not like you posted in a totally
different language. I just like justifying the publication of an
English-English Dictionary:-), I'm sorry, I'll have to stop doing
that.
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 29, 1997 at 21:47:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
26, 1997 at 16:33:29:
Yes, but they weren't like that originally, I think it was to test the
R110 type married pair system.
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Marker Lights
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 29, 1997 at 21:55:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Marker Lights posted by Steve on May 27, 1997 at
15:17:30:
The Redbird markers don't seem to be used, I see them always set to
red. They probably just didn't spend the money to remove them.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 29, 1997 at 22:02:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are R142s?! posted by Nathan on May 29, 1997
at 00:51:37:
Lets try to go through it one more time. There are two trains. The
R-110A and the R-110B. The 110A was built to operate on the IRT while
the 110B was built to operate on the BMT/IND. The two trains are the
only two R-110s and there will never be any others. They were once
test trains. They ran empty except for TA personnel checking their
performance. After about 6 months of testing, they went into service
in 1993. They are now considered revenue equipment. They operate in
passenger service. They are both prototype trains on which the R-142
and R-143 will be based. They are the ones that will go into service
in 1999.
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POSTER>James
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Posted by James on May 29, 1997 at 22:09:41:
I'm dying to find a poster of the old Penn Station in New York. The
image
I have in mind (and seen in books) shows the long-demolished wonder in
its
full glory without pedestrians. Thanks.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 29, 1997 at 22:10:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by M.J.S. on May
29, 1997 at 21:47:12:
In reality, the R-62s were linked into 5 car units for a far less
visionary goal. They were linked to improve performance and to save
money. By linking them, components such as Master Controllers, Brake
Valves, Master Door Controls and Electric Portions & Couplers could be
removed. Especially in the case of the electric portions, removing
them really improved the performance. By removing the other
components, savings were achieved in material and maintenance. This is
not new technology. The type of linking done on the R-62s is the same
as the linking which has been used on the R-32s and up.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to andrew)
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Posted by Steve on May 29, 1997 at 22:14:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to andrew) posted by Charles
on May 29, 1997 at 10:26:51:
That was exactly the answer.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 29, 1997 at 22:23:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Baltimore to New York, New York posted by John on
May 29, 1997 at 16:39:11:
Hey guys, lighten up. Every morning, I ride to work with people from
AMTRAK. I've ridden in the cab of several locos over the past few
years too. AMTRAK personnel have always been both friendly and polite.
Having said that, the AMTRAK personnel often refer to the organization
as SLAMTRAK. The LIRR personnel have their pet names for their lines
too. It is all said in humor (usually).
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Posted by James on May 29, 1997 at 22:33:23:
In Reply to: [6]Old Penn Station (NYC) posted by James on May 29, 1997
at 22:09:41:
Better e-mail address.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 29, 1997 at 23:04:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by Zack on May 29, 1997 at 20:32:12:
That 'X' might be a good idea - the 6X, 7X. Not bad. Express busses
are designated by an X. Maybe that system should be expanded to the
subway.
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Posted by John on May 29, 1997 at 23:10:24:
Why does the C train run with only four cars on the weekend?
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POSTER>David Pirmann - web site host
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Posted by David Pirmann - web site host on May 29, 1997 at
hello,
I was asked to post this... periodically London Transport runs tours
of some of their disused stations. If you're going to London, or are
in the UK anyway, and want to go, contact
[6]onion@panther.netmania.co.uk
And if you go, I'd appreciate some photos! :-)
--Dave
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Posted by Nathan_McCartney on May 30, 1997 at 00:35:28:
In Reply to: [5]The C Train posted by John on May 29, 1997 at
23:10:24:
C-Train? As in Calgary Transit? Hmmmm, I dunno, maybe demand is lower
on weekends, and it depends what the service frequency is, some
systems run four car trains every 2 minutes, or 6 cars every 5
minutes, It depends, try
to be more specific!
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Posted by Speller on May 30, 1997 at 08:26:48:
In Reply to: [5]standard cars posted by Zack The Genious on May 29,
1997 at 15:21:57:
Learn how to spell!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30, 1997 at 10:27:20:
In Reply to: [6]The C Train posted by John on May 29, 1997 at
23:10:24:
My guess is lower demand. On weekends C service operates between 168th
Street and World Trade Center in Manhattan. This weekend C service is
an exact duplicate of the old AA service (which was eliminated in the
'80's). The AA operated with 4 car trains.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on May 30, 1997 at 11:08:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The C Train posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30,
1997 at 10:27:20:
Many of the stations served by the C train on its weekend routing are
served by other trains as well. It's not an "exclusive" train like the
L or the 7. For the most part, only the stations along Central Park
West have C-only service on weekends.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30, 1997 at 11:55:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The C Train posted by Peter Rosa on May 30, 1997
at 11:08:29:
OK, Yes many of the stations are served by other trains, but my point
was that this service during off peak hours (8 Avenue local between
168th & WTC) has long been served by four car trains. The AA and later
the K, and even late night A trains would occasionally run with 4
cars. This is with R-44 now and with R-40's in the past. I am aware
that weekday C trains use 8 cars. Four car trains (60 footers) seem to
be rare on IND lines, but they were once more common.
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Posted by nathan on May 30, 1997 at 13:31:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The C Train posted by Nathan_McCartney on May 30,
1997 at 00:35:28:
ooops. wrong c train. be more specific please!
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: 9th Avenue Cut Trackage
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 30, 1997 at 13:43:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 9th Avenue Cut Trackage posted by Mark S Feinman
on May 29, 1997 at 12:20:57:
I checked the article again last night and it did not make specific
mention of which ramp was used to get to the 5th Ave EL - just the
fact
that a ramp was used.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30, 1997 at 15:11:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The C Train(Don't bother reading the above
message) posted by nathan on May 30, 1997 at 13:31:44:
Nathan,
Since this is The New York Subway Resources page - I don't think it's
necessary to be more specific unless we're discussing a train/bus
that's not part of NYCT.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to andrew)
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30, 1997 at 15:15:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to andrew) posted by John on
May 29, 1997 at 16:49:38:
Yes, it does. That's Union Square (14th Street) on the Lexington
Avenue line, not the 7 Avenue line's 14th Street station.
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Posted by Nathan on May 30, 1997 at 16:04:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The C Train(Don't bother reading the above
message) posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30, 1997 at 15:11:06:
Yeah, sorry, my mistake. (Oh, to not confuse anyone, when I said
"Don't bother reading the above message" that was referring to MY
above message, not the original one!!!)
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Posted by John on May 30, 1997 at 16:41:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The C Train posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30,
1997 at 11:55:27:
You know, now that you mention it, I think I do remember the K and AA
trains having four cars (or at least being shorter than the other
trains). It's just that I never really noticed it until now.
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Posted by Brian jakosz on May 30, 1997 at 16:45:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The C Train posted by Wayne Johnson on May 30,
1997 at 10:27:20:
You should be happy that the C Train uses four cars on the week-end.
Here in Chicago The Blue Line only operates 2 cars on the Week-end,
but does opeerate 8 (The CTA"S CURRENT MAX).
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Posted by John on May 30, 1997 at 16:48:30:
In Reply to: [5]Main Line Trackage posted by Steve on May 28, 1997 at
21:12:42:
What's the difference between route mileage and track mileage?
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Posted by Steve on May 30, 1997 at 20:01:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Main Line Trackage posted by John on May 30, 1997
at 16:48:30:
The difference between route miles and track miles is very simple to
understand. Lets say for example that the #7 line is 26 miles long
from Main Street to Times Square. (I'm sure that is not correct but
it's just an example) That would be the route mileage. Approximately 8
miles of that is double track and the remaining 18 miles has 3 tracks.
Therefore, the track miles are (2 x 8 miles) + (3 x 18 miles) = 60
miles which would be the track miles
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Posted by Steve on May 30, 1997 at 20:21:37:
The question below about the C train being cut to 4 cars during
non-commission hours is very simple and then again not so simple to
answer. I will give you the answer but want to preface my answer with
a few personal observations.
Many of the remarks posted here-in make unkind references to the TA
management (while AMTRAK criticism meets much resistance) and that's
fine. We are all here for our mutual enjoyment and exchanging facts
and knowledge. However, with all the criticism of that TA management,
one fact is never mentioned. 88% of every TA ride is paid for out of
the fare box. That is more than double the national average. That one
fact alone makes them pretty damn efficient, don't you think? Then
again consider LA. The LA subway system is costing more than
$300,000,000 per mile. That works out to about $57,000.00 per foot of
tunnel. I believe that is 50 times what the TA does it for.
Now for the 'C' line. It works out that it costs $1.10 per mile to
operate one average subway car. Approximately 1/2 of that goes to Con
Edison. If you cut 4 cars off of 12 trains, on one round trip of 50
miles you save
4 x 12 x 50 x $1.10 = $2640 saved. I don't know exactly how many C
train trips run each weekend but you get the idea.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on May 30, 1997 at 20:22:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: TTC Track guage (sp?) posted by Gerry O'Regan on
May 29, 1997 at 16:30:03:
The Toronto track guage of 4'10 7/8" predates the TTC. The story I
heard was that in the 1880's the Toronto Street Railway (horsecars)
came ubder the control of the McKenzie-Mann interests that also
controlled the Canadian Northern Railraod. Alarmed at the possibility
of steam trains running down Queen Street, the Toronto city council
ordered the TSR to convert to any other guage but standard. The TSR,
unable to re-equip the entire fleet simply pulled the wheels out to
the limit practcal without re-mounting the pedistals. Presto!! 4'10
7/8". The guage remained the same with electrification, the Toronto
Railway Company (The elecric operator) used many of the TSR horsecars
as trailers. When the TTC was created, the guage was set. The Yonge
Street Subway (Toronto's (and Canada's) first subway) was built using
streetcar work equipment, so the streetcar guage became the subway
guage. There is a metric equivilent, but I don't know it. Maybe one of
our Canadian friends can enlighten us.
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Posted by Steve on May 30, 1997 at 20:22:56:
The question below about the C train being cut to 4 cars during
non-commission hours is very simple and then again not so simple to
answer. I will give you the answer but want to preface my answer with
a few personal observations.
Many of the remarks posted here-in make unkind references to the TA
management (while AMTRAK criticism meets much resistance) and that's
fine. We are all here for our mutual enjoyment and exchanging facts
and knowledge. However, with all the criticism of that TA management,
one fact is never mentioned. 88% of every TA ride is paid for out of
the fare box. That is more than double the national average. That one
fact alone makes them pretty damn efficient, don't you think? Then
again consider LA. The LA subway system is costing more than
$300,000,000 per mile. That works out to about $57,000.00 per foot of
tunnel. I believe that is 50 times what the TA does it for.
Now for the 'C' line. It works out that it costs $1.10 per mile to
operate one average subway car. Approximately 1/2 of that goes to Con
Edison. If you cut 4 cars off of 12 trains, on one round trip of 50
miles you save
4 x 12 x 50 x $1.10 = $2640 saved. I don't know exactly how many C
train trips run each weekend but you get the idea.
Comments?
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Posted by Steve on May 31, 1997 at 00:08:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Quigebo on May
29, 1997 at 19:42:26:
First, not all red birds are created equal. Some have GE propulsion
packages while others have Westinghouse. Some have NY Air Brake brake
packages while others have WABCO. Current practice calls for cars of
different types not to run together. This is adhered to except for one
shop where it is okay to run NY Air Brake and WABCO cars in the same
train. (this only holds true for passenger service). The point being,
there may not be sufficient RedBirds of one type to meet the service
plan you propose. As for R-62s and redbirds going into 239th St.,
these trains may be drags from 207th Street overhaul shop, dropping
off repaired cars or picking up bad order cars at their respective
shops. I don't believe that any maintenance shop other than Jerome
will handle R-62s except in an emergency.
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Posted by Lefty on May 31, 1997 at 09:07:15:
could someone tell me why when i waited for a 1 train at w231st a
train of redbirds (r-33's?) came on down the track and stopped there?
it had the signs for the 2 train up and all that.. and when it got
down to 96th st it didnt change to express either.. i dont know what
happened after 34th cause i got off.. maybe i continued on teh 2 or
terminated at south ferry.. any explanations of this?
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Posted by John on May 31, 1997 at 12:41:43:
In Reply to: [5]Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by Lefty on May 31, 1997
at 09:07:15:
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Posted by John on May 31, 1997 at 12:44:10:
In Reply to: [5]Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by Lefty on May 31, 1997
at 09:07:15:
You know, I had that same experiance, only I was going uptown. I got
on at 42nd Street and was going to 116th, but I transfered to the
number 1 at 96th Street (the Redbird had '2' signs, but it was
travelling local), because I didn't know if this train was going to
continue up on the 1 line, or go onto the regular 2 line.
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Posted by John on May 31, 1997 at 12:53:38:
Is it my imagination, or are the redbirds longer than the R-62 and
R-62A? If this is not the case, why does it appear that way?
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Posted by Jim on May 31, 1997 at 14:33:54:
In Reply to: [6]Redbird-R-62 posted by John on May 31, 1997 at
12:53:38:
They are the same length give or take 3/8 of an inch. It's the
Stainless Steel that makes them look so squat.
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Posted by Jim on May 31, 1997 at 14:36:15:
In Reply to: [5]Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by Lefty on May 31, 1997
at 09:07:15:
More than likely it was due to a re-route due to a sevvice
interruption.
What day and approximate time.
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Posted by Nathan on May 31, 1997 at 16:08:41:
In Reply to: [5]The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Steve on May 30,
1997 at 20:22:56:
Totally agree with you, when you say 88%, are you talking cost
recovery?
That's damn good, finally, I think the LA subway is giving a very BAD
name to rapid transit.
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Posted by Lefty on May 31, 1997 at 17:37:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by Jim on May 31,
1997 at 14:36:15:
i dont see how it ould be a service interuption because the train
would have to deliberately have gone up to w242nd and then back down
because i caught it at w231st going south. i think it was on a
saturday or sunday..
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Posted by Steve on May 31, 1997 at 19:31:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by Lefty on May 31,
1997 at 17:37:55:
Hypothetically speaking, if there were a significant delay in uptown
#1 service, a #2 train might be rerouted to 242 St. The delay would
also result in an eventual gap in southbound service so the #2 would
be used to fill the gap.
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Posted by Allan on May 31, 1997 at 19:51:46:
In Reply to: [6]Redbird-R-62 posted by John on May 31, 1997 at
12:53:38:
The R-62 and 62A's are the same size as the Redbirds. The reason they
look smaller is because the newer equipment has rounded edges whereas
the Redbirds have corners. The corners give the appearance of being
longer.
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Posted by steve on June 01, 1997 at 00:55:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-46 Side Signs posted by Zack on May 29, 1997 at
02:30:35:
The flip dot signs and LCD signs have 35 pixcels per character. The
Side Signs have 32 characters each (16 inside & 16 outside). That
would be about 1,000 moving parts per sign if flip dots were used as
compared to no moving parts for the LCD signs. LCD signs, therefore,
are easier and cheaper to buy and maintain.
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Posted by nathan on June 01, 1997 at 02:10:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: standard cars posted by Speller on May 30, 1997 at
08:26:48:
let's bash slamtrak, not other people!
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Posted by Nathan on June 01, 1997 at 02:12:53:
Is the TA looking at any new colour schemes for future R-42 etc??
I found the old R-32 (?) scheme with the silver body and the dark blue
doors pretty neat.
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Posted by Brian on June 01, 1997 at 02:49:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: TTC Track guage (sp?) posted by Dan Lawrence on
May 30, 1997 at 20:22:00:
Canadian friends, eh?
Being a resident of Toronto my entire life, I am quite familiar with
the TTC, and the track guage is 1.5 metres exactly.
I sometimes post some questions of my own, so maybe some of you can
help me out as well.
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Posted by Brian on June 01, 1997 at 02:51:43:
On the Toronto subway, many of the signals display two colours, one on
top of the other. The one on top is refered to as the "blocking
signal", and indicates if the next block is occupied. The one on the
bottom is called the "route signal". I have no idea what this
indicates, however. Can anyone help me out?
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on June 01, 1997 at 07:57:50:
Has this (relatively NEW) switch really been removed!?
How will the new IRT cars get onto the IRT? I assumed...
BTW, anyone know of developments re: the A&P purchase of the LIRR
freight division? Haven't found a website of theirs...
BTW2, does anyone, for Pete's sake, have track maps (old/historical or
current)of the various Bay Ridge yards (at the waterfront and between
5-8th Aves.) and of the Bay Ridge Div. in general?!
BTW3, a gripe: I noticed that non-fluff issues don't seem to attract
much interest lately. Now --- if I were to bring up the subject of the
last color the R-17s were painted...
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Posted by Dave on June 01, 1997 at 08:19:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Jim on May 31, 1997 at
14:33:54:
Which cars are the Redbirds? R-29's, R-33's or R-36's? All three are
51 feet, 1/2 inch over the anti-climbers and the R-62's are also 51
feet, 1/2 inch over the anti-climber. My data comes from buildes
sketches reprinted in "New York City Subway Cars" by James Greller.
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Posted by Steve on June 01, 1997 at 09:40:20:
In Reply to: [6]Colour scheme posted by Nathan on June 01, 1997 at
02:12:53:
I agree that the R-32s looked better with the blue doors. I also think
the R33/36 worlds fair cars were the best looking on the system.
However, graffiti vandals have screwed that up too. Paint does not do
to well it the TA car washes. The cleanser used is acid based, used
partially because of the graffiti.
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Posted by Jim on June 01, 1997 at 09:43:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Dave on June 01, 1997 at
08:19:18:
Just kidding about the 3/8". The redbirds are the 28s, 29,s 33s & 36s
(I think).
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Posted by Steve on June 01, 1997 at 09:46:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: standard cars posted by nathan on June 01, 1997 at
02:10:39:
Okay, - I heard from a maintenance foreman @ amtrak that derailments
are becoming so common that they are considering stenciling "THIS SIDE
UP"
on the roof of their cars and locos.
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Posted by Steve on June 01, 1997 at 09:51:37:
Does anyone have info on the LIRR signal system. I'm looking for the
Aspects, Indications and the definitions for both the Position and
Color signals. I'd be especially interested in scans of the pages out
of the book of rules.
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Posted by John on June 01, 1997 at 12:25:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Jim on June 01, 1997 at
09:43:40:
Don't forget about the R-26s.
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Posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997 at 12:37:24:
In Reply to: [6]PLEASE SEE THIS APOLOGY IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY MY
ANTI-BRITIAN POST posted by M.J.S. on May 29, 1997 at 21:35:44:
Keranu here, I took it as a joke, no harm done. Aafter visiting New
York
(and in fact the US) for the first time in April, I now think Britain
sucks. Some guy on my bus once mistook me for an American when I am in
fact completely Glaswegian. No need to make an apology though. Do many
British people see this web site?
You have even made me feel better by spelling Britain wrong HA HA HA.
Must come back to America and pick up more vocabulary.
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Posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997 at 12:54:55:
OK, I have some questions about the MAP.
How come the NR Bdwy trains still have express and local symbols on
the
yellow line through Manhattan? How often are maps updated?
Do the map makers include dotted lines to represent subway lines which
are under construction or about to be put back in service like they do
in London? What about the Queensbridge link thing?
Alternatively, could dotted lines not be usedc to further clarify peak
only lines where a certain train only serves a certain section of line
at rush hours such as the M train in Bklyn which could be dotted brown
or the C train in the Bronx (dotted blue).
Why did they change the station symbols for local stops from neat
rectangles to those awkward blob things.
Why do they put a square around the small black route no. beside the
station to show where trains terminate when there is always also a
huge
square with the no/letter of terminating train in it?
Did any past maps have a simpler version of that mess of subway routes
through Downtown Brooklyn. It made my head spin first time I loaded it
up on the computer screen.
Why do the nos. 2 and 3 lines still have express symbols in Brooklyn
when they stop at every stop and are really local. Surely people know
that some trains change between local and express along their routes
and
the route table shows that 2 and 3 trains are LOCAL in Bklyn.
Doesn't it make more sense to show the red 2,3 lines with those
jutting
out bars and then show black hollow circles where 2,3 AND 4 trains
stop?
With peak direction trains in the Bronx, would it not make more sense
to make all stops as jutting out bars (local stops) except the ones
that expresses stop at which would be circles. This is less
complicated
than drawing a line around the stations. For example, all stops north
of Parkchester, Parkchester itself, Hunts Point Av and 3 Av on the #6
line
would have circles, the rest would have jutting out bars.
If you managed to make it to the end of this message you deserve a
LARGE AWARD.
If you can answer any of these questions you should have an all
expenses
paid trip to Barbados (it's not coming from me though.)
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Posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997 at 13:06:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are R142s?! posted by Steve on May 29, 1997
at 22:02:40:
OK, so there is one more question that needs to be asked. Do the nos.
following the "R" mean anything (I suspect not) and if not, why is
there
such a big jump. If the last trains were R-68s, surely the next ones
should
be R70s or R80s or something. Or is this designation just to make them
sound kinda' ultra technology and futuristic. Am I right in saying
that
the TA is standardising BMT/IND to 67' long instead of 60' or 75'?
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Posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997 at 13:20:48:
When you are waiting at your platform for your train to arrive, do
they
announce that your train will be running express or whatever or do
they
leave it up to you to look at the red signs?
Also, I heard about alarm things which tell you when a train is going
to
arrive. Where are they? I think I heard a very quiet beeping sound
just before a train arrived at Lawrence St, Bklyn (N,R) Station. Is
this
the alarm?
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Posted by Quigebo on June 01, 1997 at 13:23:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by John on June 01, 1997 at
12:25:09:
Hey, you're also forgetting the recently retired R27s and R30s on the
BMT/IND lines. Also a few R17s were painted in the Redbird scheme.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 01, 1997 at 13:36:32:
In Reply to: [5]Colour scheme posted by Nathan on June 01, 1997 at
02:12:53:
They had a mockup of the R142 at TA headquarters in Brooklyn. The
exterior is stainless steel with the top half of the front painted red
(looked similar to the red used on the Redbirds). I asked a TA
employee about that red. He said the red would be used no matter what
line the 142s run on like it is now. But I also saw an artist's
rendering of the 142 and it had a black front top half. Guess we'll
have to wait and see what the TA decides on.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 01, 1997 at 13:47:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are R142s?! posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997
at 13:06:49:
The # after the R does mean something - the Revenue Contract #, and
it's not given exclusively to subway cars. Work trains, diesel locos,
garbage trains, tank cars, and a lot of other equipment for the subway
can recieve R #s. That explains the huge gaps in R #s when it comes to
subway cars themselves
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Posted by Quigebo on June 01, 1997 at 13:51:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are R142s?! posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997
at 13:06:49:
BTW, you're right about standardizing the length. The TA is doing that
at 67', the length of the BMT Standards cars. This began with the
R110B test train that's running on the A (and occasionally the C) line
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POSTER>Ted Nielsen
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on June 01, 1997 at 14:42:59:
In Reply to: [6]NYC Subway Maps posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997 at
12:54:55:
Keranu ,
The maps are usually updated every 3-4 months , I'll try to answer
some
of your questions :
On the map I have ( May 1996 ) , the NR Bdwy trains only have local
symbols on the yellow line. When repairs are finished on the Manhattan
Bridge , express service may be restored ( with N trains crossing the
bridge and taking the express tracks up Bdwy ). Dotted lines usually
indicate a connecting bus route ( if you look closely at the dotted
lines ,
you will see a bus no. , in the Bronx for example the BX55 bus
connects
with the 3th Ave. station of the 2,5 trains ). The only construction
that I'm
aware of is the Queensbridge-Queensboro Plaza connection on the B,Q
line ( I'm not sure about the current status of the project ). There
is a proposal for building an extension of the N Line from Ditmars
Blvd. to
La Guardia Airport , but , I don't think it will built in the near
future. By the
way , as of July 4 , there will be free tranfers between trains and
buses if you use the new Gold Metro Card ( you must make the transfer
within 2
hours of your start time ). On the map I have ( I'm curious which map
you have , yours may be more current than mine ) , the 2,3 trains are
depicted as local trains ( as far as I know they were always local in
Brooklyn , express in Manhattan ). I'll take that trip to Barbados now
!
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on June 01, 1997 at 14:56:01:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on June 01, 1997 at 07:57:50:
Regarding comment 3 I read all of the post's and really enjoy the
unusual type questions. I have never been in NYC La Gauardia,
spelling?, and Penn Station on Amtrak>. I still have a
interest in subway's and find all post's interesting. I don't reply
since I have no answers. I suspect alot of people just read. Please
don't stop.
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 01, 1997 at 15:10:05:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on June 01, 1997 at 07:57:50:
Re Point 3-- everyone has an opinion but not everyone has an answer.
So you might not get a response to a very technical question but ask
about favorite paint schemes and everyone can contribute. It's human
nature.
--Dave
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Posted by Frank Vargas on June 01, 1997 at 17:01:14:
looking for any old photos on old steam/electric 1900-1970 pics on any
route or fan trip on staten island ,and if anyone has any pics on sirt
cars on the culver line in brooklyn .thay where renumered #2900-2924.
one was found in the coney island yard ,used as a suppley office. only
three remain around #353 in staten island in very bad shape ( the same
car used in photo for the staten island ferry book ),388 at shore line
trolley museum very good shape( thanks goes to bill wall ) ,366 in
kennebunk maine seashore trolley museum awaiting resotoreration .
thank you in advance
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 01, 1997 at 19:12:44:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on June 01, 1997 at 07:57:50:
I rode the L out to Canarsie in April and got a look at the switch. It
has indeed been removed, at least the portion coming off the subway
line and leading to the gate.
Presumably, new rolling stock will be delivered via NY Cross Harbor
Railroad carfloat.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 01, 1997 at 19:17:32:
In Reply to: [6]Subway service diversions posted by Keranu on June 01,
1997 at 13:20:48:
If a train is going to be heading through a station without stopping,
the PA system *should* announce that fact. Trouble is, the PA systems
at many stations are inaudible. A more relible indicator is the train
itself - a train that's going through a station next to a platform
without stopping has to blow its horn as a warning.
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Posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at 21:36:38:
after reading colour scheme i was wondering how do the vandals get to
the cars to vandilize without gerring caught? and why dont the ta put
concete fenses around it's bases?
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Posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at 21:39:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Quigebo on June 01, 1997 at
13:23:44:
never herd about the R-17's in the redbird scheme. they were the
"ONLY" great subway cars
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Posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at 21:40:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Quigebo on June 01, 1997 at
13:23:44:
never herd about the R-17's in the redbird scheme. the redbirds were
the "ONLY" great subway cars
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on June 01, 1997 at 21:46:44:
Dave came in Second and got info on the Brown Ravesnwood line
Next time more people need to participate. JERKS!1
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Posted by John on June 01, 1997 at 23:06:46:
I was taking the B train from Bay Parkway to W. 4th Street today, and
the train came in to the 36th Street station on the local track and
made local stops (including DeKalb Av.). This has also happened a
couple times in the past. There were no notices or anything. It was
like a spontaneous occurance. Why did this happen?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 01, 1997 at 23:41:28:
In Reply to: [6]How Do They Do It posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at
21:36:38:
Most of the vandalism on subway cars today (especially window
scratching) presumably occurs when the trains are in service. The
fences around the yards are a quite a sight; they look, no
exaggeration, like the fences around prisons.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 01, 1997 at 23:52:08:
In Reply to: [6]The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Steve on May 30,
1997 at 20:22:56:
I appreciate your comments ... but are you certain about the cost
figures on subway operation? From what I've heard, by far the largest
single operating (as opposed to capital) cost for the NT subway by far
is labor. In this respect, of course, the subway is no different from
most business activities of any type.
At any rate, if labor does indeed account for the lion's share of
subway operating expenses, shortening train consists won't save much
money except with the limited exception of OPTO. A four-car C train
has the same two person crew as one with eight cars. In fact, the
effort required to shorten and lengthen consists probably itself
requires quite a bit of labor.
I'm not saying that the four-car C trains aren't cheaper to run than
the regular ones. Besides electricity, the reduced wear and tear on
the cars has to be considered. In the grand scheme of things, however,
I just don't see the big savings in the current practice.
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Posted by Steve on June 01, 1997 at 23:55:05:
In Reply to: [6]Sudden Local posted by John on June 01, 1997 at
23:06:46:
That can happen for many reasons.Some of the more common ones are:
1) A gap in R service.
2) A stalled train on the express track.
3) The express track being taken out of service for repair.
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Posted by Nathan on June 02, 1997 at 00:07:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How Do They Do It posted by Peter Rosa on June 01,
1997 at 23:41:28:
What is the TA's policy on "busted" vandals? And with the window
scratching, how about exposed electrical wires which zap any vandal,
or why not go all the way and have guns mounted above each window...
*Laughs*
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Posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at 00:09:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Peter Rosa on
June 01, 1997 at 23:52:08:
I believe that the numbers were published in this months' Progressive
Railroading or one of the other trade publications. Actually, I did
mis-state one fact slightly. The cost of electricity per car per mile
is 45 cents, however, the total savings per mile is $1.10 as I stated.
Actually, the single largest expense, aside from labor, the TA incurs
is electricity which is somewhere between 5 & 6 million dollars per
month. Of course labor is the largest expense but the savings I refer
to are the savings acrewed by reduced maintenance because of decreased
mileage. That includes labor and material reductions.
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Posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at 00:10:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Peter Rosa on
June 01, 1997 at 23:52:08:
I believe that the numbers were published in this months' Progressive
Railroading or one of the other trade publications. Actually, I did
mis-state one fact slightly. The cost of electricity per car per mile
is 45 cents, however, the total savings per mile is $1.10 as I stated.
Actually, the single largest expense, aside from labor, the TA incurs
is electricity which is somewhere between 5 & 6 million dollars per
month. Of course labor is the largest expense but the savings I refer
to are the savings realized by reduced maintenance because of
decreased mileage. That includes labor and material reductions.
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SUBJECT>Re: Toronto subway/signals
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Posted by Nathan on June 02, 1997 at 00:16:04:
In Reply to: [6]Toronto subway/signals posted by Brian on June 01,
1997 at 02:51:43:
You said "some signs", on which lines did the "route signal" appear
on? If they are only present on the original part of the Bloor
Danforth(keele to woodbine) and the yonge/university subway, it could
be from the days of integrated operation, with every 2nd bloor train
going down the university subway. (which only lasted 6 months) but if
the signs are located on the later constructed Spadina subway on the
YUS, I have no clue as to what they are for.
3 other questions, though:
1)Is the Bloor-Danforth line bored tunnel or cut and cover?
2)When the Shepperd line goes into service, will there be integrated
operations with the Y-U-S?
3)Any word on whether the (proposed)Eglinton Subway or any of the
other "Rapid Transit Extension Program" lines will be constructed in
the near future?
Thanx!
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on June 02, 1997 at 03:18:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch posted by Peter
Rosa on June 01, 1997 at 19:12:44:
Thanks for the info Pete -- but re: getting to the IRT -- I assumed
carfloat all along, but the Canarsie switch was ideal to get them to
IRT teritiry -- now that they removed the switch (what's the matter
with them anyway, can't they make a deal with A&P the new LIRR Freight
owners to keep this useful avenue open?!) -- how will they get from
Bush or BAT floats to the IRT easily???
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Posted by oskari lampisjärvi on June 02, 1997 at 08:12:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Baltimore to New York, New York posted by John on
May 29, 1997 at 16:39:11:
fuck you
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Posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at 10:05:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How Do They Do It posted by Nathan on June 02,
1997 at 00:07:30:
To the best of my knowledge, the TA has no pity for vandals. Many are
given the opportunity to work off their offenses in the WARP (Work
Alternative Restitution Program - I think). They clean facilities or
trains for eight hours at a time. I don't know how effective it is
with repeat offenders.
I, personally think that those that are caught, should be used for
bumper blocks.
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Posted by Dave on June 02, 1997 at 11:28:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at
21:39:55:
Quigebo, there are pictures of Redbird R-17's in Greller's book, "New
York City Subway Cars."
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 02, 1997 at 12:48:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch posted by
Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on June 02, 1997 at 03:18:19:
The carfloat dock connects to the Coney Island yard via the B line.
All new subway cars, including those on the IRT lines, are delivered
to Coney Island to be prepared for service. While the IRT lines are
generally separate from the rest of the system, they do have
connections for maintenance purposes. These are located at the 207th
Street yard in Manhattan and the Concourse/Jerome yards in the Bronx.
The 7 line connects with the N via a switch at Queensboro Plaza.
N.B. - the former Bay Ridge - Canarsie switch connected the LIRR to
the BMT, not the IRT.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on June 02, 1997 at 13:20:53:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR Signals posted by Steve on June 01, 1997 at
09:51:37:
Can poss. help if I can locate my old (early '80's) copy of the LIRR
employee timetable< etc. Send your addr. & I'll see what I come up
with.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on June 02, 1997 at 13:30:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at
21:39:55:
.... the Shore Line Trolley Museum (East Haven, Conn) has R-17 6688 in
the
Redbird scheme.
--Mark
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Posted by Charles Fiori on June 02, 1997 at 13:38:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are R142s?! posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997
at 13:06:49:
The 'R' designation refers to a TA contract that is rolling
stock-related. Related is a key word, because, if memory serves me
correctly, the first contract for destination signs which included the
1979-type color scheme as well as single letters, was designated R-63,
short for contract #R-31463. Non-revenue equipment such as flat cars,
signal dollys, etc. that are purchased get R numbers, too. There are
lists around covering all the R's. I believe my old colleague Joe
Korman, at his JoeKorNer, has a listing of the contracts. Good Luck.
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Posted by Keranu on June 02, 1997 at 13:57:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway Maps posted by Ted Nielsen on June 01,
1997 at 14:42:59:
Cone back from Barbados!! One reply. When I said 2,3 trains in Bklyn
were
express, I know they are local but on the MAP the local stops for the
2,3
are shown as semi-circles on the Bklyn line which, according to the
key,
means express. I am referring to stops like Bergen St, Grand Army
Plaza
and Eastern Pkwy.
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Posted by Keranu on June 02, 1997 at 14:10:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sudden Local posted by Steve on June 01, 1997 at
23:55:05:
Actually, if you get your hands on a B train timetable (major feat!),
the table shows frequencies and also lists of some trains. In the key,
it says that trains with an asterisk will call at all stops between
Pacific and 36 and also stop at DeKalb. These trains usually run in
the
evening, there are only a few daily.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 02, 1997 at 16:17:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Dave on June 02, 1997 at
11:28:18:
Yes, I've seen those R17 Fantrip photos in Greller's book. I also rode
a #2 train composed of Redbird R17s in 1988 or 1989. Also two redbird
R17s and one R14 painted in Redbird colors sat in the East 180th
Street yard used for storage until 1995. (Wish I took pictures of
that!)
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Posted by Bryan Layne on June 02, 1997 at 16:24:12:
In Reply to: [6]How Do They Do It posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at
21:36:38:
Back in the low tide days(late 70's,early 80's),when the graffiti
sprayers used to spray trains all thay had to do was take a pair of
wire cutters and cut through the fences to get into the
yards.Today,this is quit different,the fences around the yards look
like prison fences and sere a purpose much to that
seriousness.Also,did you know at one time,graffiti writers would steal
subway car master keys and copy them and sell them to other writers.So
now they could not only get into the yards to spraypaint but they
could get on the inside of the cars to "bomb" them as well.When they
would go out on these "night bombing" adventures they used sneeky
techniques almost military like.Many would also know secret routes and
even underground sewer routes and they knew were the manhole covers
were and were they got out etc. to escape from the boys in blue or TA
officials.The writers bragged about there recent and not so recent
brushes with the law and this set this tone of danger and adrenaline
with spraypainting the trains,which in turn intrigued younger
adventurous teens to start spraying as well.It was a constant race to
be "up" on a line,meaning that there graffiti pieces often appeared on
the line.The most popular line to be "up" on was the #5,and even today
is the most sought after line to get your graffiti piece on to writers
all over the world.Writers dont "hit" the system that often
anymore...1)because many of the cars are now stainless steel or have
ridges unsuitable for spraypaint 2)the security has gottin so tight
that sprayers simpley cant or are afraid of getting caught,or
3)simpley the heyday of spraying the N.Y. subway is over and has lost
alot of its allure and newness.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 02, 1997 at 16:31:01:
In Reply to: [5]Subway service diversions posted by Keranu on June 01,
1997 at 13:20:48:
The beeping sound lets you know that the train is coming. Not all
stations have it, though.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on June 02, 1997 at 16:36:21:
There is a picture of a computer aided prototype design for the R-142
done for the TA at www.nethomes.com/cityrail/ its is on the New
Elecric Railway Journal website.
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:00:20:
In Reply to: [5]New R-142 prototype design posted by Bryan Layne on
June 02, 1997 at 16:36:21:
The R-142 should have a return to more traditional designs. For
example, I would like to see them fitted with the drop-sash windows,
hand straps, bench seating, and narrow cabs. A good interior design
for the walls could be the material that is now in the R-110, but with
a grayish hue (the walls being a kind of speckled gray and the benches
being gray). The windows on the doors should also be like the original
no-frame (or rubber frame), rather than the steel frame.
P.S. - The side and front sides should also be like the traditional
design, but being Luminator signs rather than mechanical.
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:02:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sudden Local posted by Keranu on June 02, 1997 at
14:10:54:
I probably was on one of those trains (this happened around 8:30 -
9:00 Sunday night).
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:07:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How Do They Do It posted by Bryan Layne on June
02, 1997 at 16:24:12:
It's amazing the lengths people would go just to make their signature
on a subway train, don't you think?
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Posted by Quigebo on June 02, 1997 at 17:13:47:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Steve on May
31, 1997 at 00:08:21:
Yes, that makes sense. From the sounds of the brake release on each
different type of Redbird, you can tell they have different propulsion
packages. Which would explain why R62s and 62As don't run in the same
train, nor the R68s and 68As. Speaking of 62s, I only saw them head
for 239th twice, so they must have been emergency moves. But I see
Bombardier R62As head for 239th during middays and weekends a lot,
probably for repairs, and two sets of 62As provide all shuttle service
on the 5 at night (OPTO). There are, however, plenty of R33s, because
they run on five lines, with the 2 getting the lion's share of the
pairs, and the 7 having all the single R33s. If stainless steel cars
did run on the 2, they probably would have to be Bombardier R62As. But
there aren't enough of the other Redbirds. And it is better to
standardize the fleet of each line, even though the N has four
different types of car (R32, R40, R68, R68A).
BTW, do you know what type of brakes are used on each Redbird? I know
they operate R26s, 28s, and 29s in the same train on the 5, while R36s
and 33 singles are used in the same trains on the 7 (for 11-car
trains, except in summer). And I know that paired R33s don't operate
with other Redbirds.
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:16:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway Maps posted by Keranu on June 02, 1997
at 13:57:48:
Let us not overlook The Bronx. Look at the number 2 line in the Bronx
- those stops are shown as express stops, too, even though a trip from
the South Bronx to Wakefield takes about as long as it does to swim to
Barbados. The number 5, which shares the same line as the 2, operates
express service between E. 180 and 3rd Avenue only during the rush
hour. Maybe as long as there is an express portion of a line somewhere
along it, the whole line is considered to be express. This is kind of
like the old single-letter designation for express lines (even if they
skipped only a few stops and the rest of the line was like a milk
train).
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:20:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Quigebo on June 02, 1997 at
16:17:42:
Why did the R-17s (and also the R-11s, R-15s, and R-16s) have circular
windows on the door leafs (the R-16s and -17s having them only on the
end doors)? Why did the Transit Authority return to square windows.
Also, why were the drop-sash windows on the end doors seen only on the
R-21/22s?
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:23:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Baltimore to New York, New York posted by oskari
lampisjärvi on June 02, 1997 at 08:12:44:
Well, what kind of response would you expect from somebody who doesn't
even capitalize the first letters of his (or hers) name?
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:26:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Marker Lights posted by Steve on May 29, 1997 at
14:07:36:
Does anybody know the different combinations of colors and the
corresponding terminals? For example, what was the combination of
colors for South Ferry, for Pelham Bay Park, Washington Heights, etc.
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Posted by John on June 02, 1997 at 17:30:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to andrew) posted by Wayne
Johnson on May 30, 1997 at 15:15:16:
What other stations beside 14th Street, South Ferry, and Times Square
shuttle platform have gap fillers? Also, can the A and B divisions be
integrated if the platforms of IRT stations were cut back (or IRT
trains ran on the B division lines) and gap fillers were used?
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The R-62s and R-68s seem like the only trains in the system that did
not have modifications performed on them. Is this true, or were
modifications made for reasons other than cosmetic?
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web site host on June 02, 1997 at
This is a test post running under www.nycsubway.org
--dave
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on June 02, 1997 at
In a fit of vanity, I decided to register a domainname for this site.
The new domain name is "www.nycsubway.org". The old name still works,
so don't worry about that. But I thought the new name is "cool" :-)
--dave
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Posted by BRYAN LAYNE on June 02, 1997 at 18:43:01:
In Reply to: [5]New Domain Name posted by David Pirmann - Web Site
Host on June 02, 1997 at 17:54:27:
Cool
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Posted by Quigebo on June 02, 1997 at 19:22:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110A&B Test Trains(to andrew) posted by John on
June 02, 1997 at 17:30:20:
You know, I've thought about that, too. Even if the platforms were cut
back, the larger BMT/IND trains wouldn't be able to fit in the smaller
IRT tunnels. You could install gap fillers at BMT/IND stations (which
was actually done on the #6 line in the Bronx, in the hope of tying it
into the 2nd Av Subway, but then they put in gap fillers for the
smaller IRT trains - I've heard this from somebody on this sight) for
IRT-size trains, but why? It would severely restrict capacity on
trains running on the former BMT or IND lines. This would be espeially
true on the Queens Blvd Lines, which are already strained beyond
capacity. Narrower trains would only make the overcrowding much worse.
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Posted by Lou on June 02, 1997 at 20:50:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New R-142 prototype design posted by John on June
02, 1997 at 17:00:20:
Agree with drop down windows. Sat for 1/2 hour with pulled power for a
track fire on a R68. They wouldn't unlock end doors for saftey reasons
and those little tilt in's did not get enough air in.
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Posted by Lou on June 02, 1997 at 20:53:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Sudden Local posted by John on June 02, 1997 at
17:02:24:
Just to add, the signs at DeKalb are set up to announce the arrival of
B trains too. The route selector at Metro Tech/Lawerence Street also
has buttons for all trains stopping at Dekalb in case they are routed
through the tunnel.
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Posted by Lou on June 02, 1997 at 20:57:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway service diversions posted by Peter Rosa on
June 01, 1997 at 19:17:32:
Most of the time it is the train operator leaning on the horn that
tells me that the train is not stopping at the station. At large
junctions with towers they make announcements but not out on the
system IMHO.
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Posted by Lou on June 02, 1997 at 21:05:25:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on June 01, 1997 at 07:57:50:
Weekend before last sat at the Great Divide waiting for A&P to clear a
West bound movement. Couldn't catch the the engine (hey it was those
can't see nothing out the window Port Jeff cars) but was at least 15
car lenght train with EOT device (not caboose).
There is some yard work going on at the Sunnyside (Jackson Ave) yard.
I work at Queens Plaza but haven't the chance to walk down to the yard
since the circus left.
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Posted by Lou on June 02, 1997 at 21:13:17:
In Reply to: [5]The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Steve on May 30,
1997 at 20:22:56:
And I pay the same amount for "off-peak" as rush hour. Waiting 10
minutes for a Q at $1.50 is fine but 30 minutes for a D for the same
trip at $1.50 gets me mad. Add OPTO too all at the same price and the
non cleaning of cars during the weekend??
OPTO = One Person Train Operation
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Posted by Lou on June 02, 1997 at 21:16:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The C Train posted by Peter Rosa on May 30, 1997
at 11:08:29:
This is becoming a habbit on the MTA Staten Island Railway (SIRT). Two
car (R44's?) on weekends 30 minute headway BUT only one car open even
with standing room only they will not open the other car.
I understand cutting down road miles on the fleet but maybe the C
train and SIRT are under some new MTA master plan?? Right.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at 22:08:41:
In Reply to: [6]The Original posted by John on June 02, 1997 at
17:33:44:
Modifications are done on a virtually ongoing basis. Modifications
done during the warranty period are called FMIs. A contract like the
R-68s might typically have had 50 - 60 FMIs in progress before the
last car was delivered. The mods are done usually because of problems
encountered during the warranty period. Other mods are done outside
the scope of the warranty. The R-62s and R-68s have recently had mods
such as the replacement of all glass with FRA II type glass and have
had a more sensative 'Obstruction Sensing System' installed on the
doors. Another modification was the installation of speedometers.
The true difference between the R-68s & R-68As or the R-62s and the
62As, was the manufacturer of the car as well as thepropulsion,
braking and HVAC equipment which was installed.
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Posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at 22:17:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are R142s?! posted by Keranu on June 01, 1997
at 13:06:49:
From what I've been told, the 'R' refers to Rapid (as opposed to
surface).
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POSTER>Anonymous
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Posted by Anonymous on June 02, 1997 at 22:26:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at
21:39:55:
From the Bedford Park Station (#4 line Southbound), you can look down
into Concourse Yard and see an R-12 in Redbird Colors.
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Posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at 22:35:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Lou on June
02, 1997 at 21:13:17:
If the Urban Mass Transit Act Section 13(c) prohibits productivity
gains through technological advances (that result in job loss), how do
you achieve meaningful savings except by using plans such as OPTO. As
for waiting for 30 minutes for a 'D' train, the greatest headway on
that line is 20 minutes (even at midnight or later). If you waited 30
minutes for a train it was for reasons other than scheduling. As for
the filth on the trains (and I ride them daily) I know very few
Transit employees who dump their garbage on the trains. However, I
have gotten onto a very clean train at Stillwell Ave., on its' first
trip out of the yard and by the time I get off at Bedford Park, the
train is filthy. Sure the number of cleaners has been reduced but we
are not talking about unmopped floors on the trains. We are talking
about people litttering the trains in epidemic proportions.
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Posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at 22:42:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Signals posted by Charles Fiori on June 02,
1997 at 13:20:53:
I would greatly appreciate the information but you left me no way to
contact you. If you give me your E-Mail address, I'd appreciate it. I
have a copy of the LIRR rule book from 1925 and they have no signal
info in there.
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Posted by PLEXONE on June 03, 1997 at 00:04:42:
COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM MARYLAND. HAVEN'T SEEN YOU SINCE 1984. STAY
COOL.
PEACE!
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Posted by PLEXONE on June 03, 1997 at 00:05:20:
COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM MARYLAND. HAVEN'T SEEN YOU SINCE 1984. STAY
COOL.
PEACE!
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Posted by S.A.D. on June 03, 1997 at 00:23:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How Do They Do It posted by Steve on June 02, 1997
at 10:05:56:
The WARP program gives artists a clean slate to work on. (ie. a
freshly buffed train to work thier masterpiece!) Don't knock it until
you've tried it, or in this case, sprayed it. *s*
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Posted by Nathan on June 03, 1997 at 01:21:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How Do They Do It posted by S.A.D. on June 03,
1997 at 00:23:12:
Hmm, well, maybe the "WARP" program should be modified, perhaps
vandals not only have to work off their "art", but perhaps be forced
to pay for their cleaning untensils.
Finally, Steve, bumper blocks is a cruel, unhumane treatment of
vandals.
BE More SENSITIVE!! I was thinking a good punishment would be "Human
Couplers", tie the offender's feet to the rear of one car and his head
to the front of the next car... Or even better, replace the 3rd rail
power collection shoes with vandals.
ZAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP!!!!! :)
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Posted by Charles Fiori on June 03, 1997 at 07:44:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR Signals posted by Steve on June 02, 1997 at
22:42:38:
I'll check to see if I have the material first. If you live in the NY
area, check out any of the rail memorabilia shows where these rule
books/timetables are readily available. Stay tuned.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 03, 1997 at 08:57:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Domain Name posted by BRYAN LAYNE on June 02,
1997 at 18:43:01:
The new domain name is fine. But it caused netscape to forget which
subtalk posts I had alerady read...
Brighton Line section is great. A couple of suggestions...
Explain how the Brighton Line is interworked with the IRT along
Flatbush Av.
Note station configurations and structure changes along the way.
eg.
South of Botanic Gardens both tracks enter subway. southbound track
crosses over two tracks from Dekalb Av. All four tracks exit subway
into:
Prospect Park, 2 Island Platforms serving 4 tracks in open cut, inside
tracks serve subway to Dekalb Av., outside tracks serve Franklin Av.
shuttle. Shuttle trains normally terminate on northbound side,
southbound used for access to Coney Island Shops only.
Four tracks continue south in open cut, interlocking plant allows
access to express/local tracks.
Parkside Av. outside platforms in open cut, local tracks only.
and so forth...
Gerry
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Posted by Dave on June 03, 1997 at 09:17:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Quigebo on June
02, 1997 at 17:13:47:
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R-26, R-27, R-28, R-29, R-30, R-33 and R-36 all use W.A.B. Co. "SMEE"
w/ME-42B brake equipment.
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Posted by Dave on June 03, 1997 at 09:20:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway train lengths posted by Dave on June
03, 1997 at 09:17:16:
Sorry, I meant to type "W.A.B. Co. "SMEE" w/ME-42B brake valve
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on June 03, 1997 at 09:30:45:
I've just returned from a quick trip to San Francisco. Although
extensions have been built since my last visit (including one opened
days before my arrival, I gather) I only had time for a trip to Colma.
Usually, when I look at a track map, I can devise a rationale for what
I see. For this line, however, I cannot make head nor tail of what I
saw.
1) Why is there a facing point siding on the track toward the bay
tunnel, just beyond Daly City?
2) Why is there triple track between just before Colma to just after
Daly City, again traveling toward the bay tunnel?
3) Why are there so many cro$$-over$ along the triple track? Was this
track intended for train makeup (getting A and B cars in the right
places)?
4) Is the "Daly City" yard, apparently at Colma, new?
Thanks.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 03, 1997 at 09:55:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Zack on June 01, 1997 at
21:39:55:
There were a few R-17's painted with the current Redbird paint scheme.
They were operating on the Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle before
they were retired. I'm assuming that there were 10 R-17 redbirds,
since this is the total number of cars used to operate the shuttle
(two 3-car trains and one 4-car train). I have a vague memory of these
redbird R-17's serving out their last days in mainline service on the
#5 line and the TA had transferred 10 R-62's to the shuttle to replace
the R-17's.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 03, 1997 at 10:10:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by John on May 31,
1997 at 12:44:10:
That Redbird most likely continued along it's regular route (#2) after
leaving 96th street (do you recall seeing it switch tracks immediately
after leaving the station?). This practice is used quite often by the
TA. The more common one is that an express train will make local stops
to fill in for delayed local service and at times a train will be
re-routed to another line to cover for delayed trains on that line.
I'm pretty sure that the redbird on the 1 line was eventually
re-routed back to the 2 line.
I used to see this sort of thing often on the Lexington Avenue line.
#6 trains would go up the #4 line, sometimes the #5 line. #6 trains
would become Lexington Avenue expresses and a couple of times I saw a
#6 train get re-routed to Utica Ave.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on June 03, 1997 at 10:13:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Domain Name posted by Gerry O'Regan on June
03, 1997 at 08:57:59:
I like it too---hey, let's get Mikey
Actually, I like it because I often travel and use others comps. so it
makes it easy to remember in order to "log in".
Thanks Dave
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 03, 1997 at 10:18:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Steve on June
02, 1997 at 22:35:52:
Steve,
I agree with you 100% about the littering. Many people are
complaining, but it's the passengers (not the TA) that's littering in
the subway. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a parent give a
child something to eat and the wrapper or uneaten portion ends up on
the floor. Many adults also are eating, drinking and leaving the
garbage in the trains or throwing it on the tracks. We all know the TA
is not perfect, but the straphangers have to realize that they must do
their part in keeping the system free of garbage, which would also cut
down on track fires.
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Posted by Daniel Casner on June 03, 1997 at 13:16:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by John on May 28, 1997 at 20:06:38:
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Posted by Andrew Hasson on June 03, 1997 at 13:17:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by John on May 28, 1997 at 20:06:38:
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Posted by Nathan on June 03, 1997 at 14:10:26:
In Reply to: [5]New Domain Name posted by David Pirmann - Web Site
Host on June 02, 1997 at 17:54:27:
Good domain name, it just cause my computer to lose the followed
hypertext in subtalk, so I ended up rereading about 20 messages!
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Posted by steve lowenthal on June 03, 1997 at 14:40:11:
does anyone have info re routings on this new shuttle
run by the dot nyc
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Posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 16:32:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How Do They Do It posted by S.A.D. on June 03,
1997 at 00:23:12:
Although I think vandalism is wrong, I think graffitti is really art,
(especially some of those great murals). I don't do graffitti myself
(totally useless at it), I reckon they give each train an identity and
something to look at. All silver-coloured trains are quite boring.
Hey, don't over do it though!
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SUBJECT>"Sick in the Head" calling civilisation! (NYCSub)
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Posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 16:41:26:
OK, OK, slag me if you want. I am wondering if anyone ELSE has managed
to memorize the NYC Subway. I know that this probably means I am very
ill
but the fact is that I had a LOT of time on my hands last winter. Too
young to work and nothing to do for 3 weeks. It was also partly in
eager
preparation for my visit to NYC in April. I can now get from A to B
without a map. Is this normal, or are there plenty of people out there
in
the same boat? I fear not.
Please tell me if you have done the same, then I will know I am not
alone.
I will have forgotten it all most probably by July so if you reply and
call me "weird" or stuff, it will expire in four weeks time.
Incidently, I live 4500 miles from NYC on a different continent which
makes
this even more weird, I suppose.
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SUBJECT>Re: Colour Coding
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Posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 16:50:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SORRY about 4 messages above! posted by Quigebo on
May 29, 1997 at 18:16:28:
What I don't understand is, why don't New Yorkers use the colours?
It seems a very sensible think to do, imagine the NYC Subway map in
black
and white; it would be unbearably complicated. The colours are very
useful. It amkes it easier to work out routes and group trains
together
that travel through the same Midtown Manhattan routes, i.e: 4,5,6 are
all
green and so you know that if the 4 goes along Lex, the 5&6 do also.
My tourist guide told me that the #1, 7 Av-Bdwy and IRT can all refer
to the no. 1 train but ask someone where the "red line" is and they
will
stare at you blankly. This seems weird as colour coding is pretty
vital.
It is the inly way to identify lines in London and Londoners always
know
the colours, red=Central line, purple=Metropolitan line, turquoise=
Victoria line etc.
Does the average person in the street identify his train home from
work
by route no./letter or colour? Would they know the Q train's colour if
you asked them?
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Posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 16:53:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway Maps posted by John on June 02, 1997 at
17:16:23:
Hey, I'll take the swim to Barbados!
Where is Wakefield? I don't live in NYC, is it near Nereid Av?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 17:00:05:
In Reply to: [5]"Sick in the Head" calling civilisation! (NYCSub)
posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 16:41:26:
Fear not, Keranu, for I am in the same situation as you. I know all
the routes of the New York City Subway System by heart, in addition to
operating times, and equipment used on different routes. It is like I
have a copy of the subway map imprinted in my brain. My friends and
family are amazed at my knowledge of the subway.
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Posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 17:00:32:
How regular are trains in weekday middays and at rush hours? In
Midtown
Manhattan where routes merge together, how tightly squeezed can trains
be in the tunnels at peak times?
Can they come every 2 minutes?
In Midtown lines, are there more locals than express? For example, on
the
8 Av line, are there more C and E combined than As or vice-versa?
Why are there differences in local and express service?
Assuming trains have roughly the same frequency, there would be twice
as many local as express trains on the 8 Av (A,C,E) line whilst there
would be a lot more express trains than local on the 6 Av line
(B,D,F,Q).
Am I right?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 17:01:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: "Sick in the Head" calling civilisation! (NYCSub)
posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 17:00:05:
What the hell happened here?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 17:02:49:
In Reply to: [5]WHAT'S UP, N.Y.C. ? posted by PLEXONE on June 03, 1997
at 00:05:20:
Right on, baby!
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Posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 17:06:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway Maps posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997
at 16:53:02:
Yep. It's the next stop up, in fact. Don't let the sharks get you,
though!
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 17:10:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by Wayne Johnson on
June 03, 1997 at 10:10:18:
The conducter made an inaudible announcement when the train got to
96th Street, so I just got off and took the #1 to be safe. I tried to
see if the train switched back to the express track, but the platform
and train was so crowded that I didn't have a chance to.
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on June 03, 1997 at 17:14:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by Daniel Casner on June 03, 1997 at 13:16:17:
Where and when did the #8 run? Why did they drop the route?
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Posted by Quigebo on June 03, 1997 at 17:15:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Colour Coding posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at
16:50:22:
It's pretty much tradition. In fact, some branch lines in the outer
boros will be referred to by name, not letter, number, or former
operator (BMT, IND, or IRT). Examples include the West End (B/M), the
Brighton (D/Q), the Culver (F), the Canarsie (L), the Sea Beach (N),
and the 4th Av (R) in Brooklyn. Since trains on each main line in
Manhattan come from at least three branches identifying each branch
line by letter/number lets you identify the destination fast. If the
4, 5, and 6 were all known as the "Green Line", you'd have to have the
destination diplayed on the front of all trains. It would have to be
very visible fast - New York's a fast-paced town.
Besides, don't Londoners refer to it as the District Line and not the
Green Line?
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POSTER>FRED WELLMAN
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on June 03, 1997 at 17:16:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Wayne Johnson
on June 03, 1997 at 10:18:29:
From what I read NYC has reduced crime by cranking down on petty
crimes,
why don't they do the same thing on the subway. Advertise B4 hand and
enforce litter laws.
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POSTER>Quigebo
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Posted by Quigebo on June 03, 1997 at 17:29:47:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How Do They Do It posted by Keranu on June 03,
1997 at 16:32:35:
Graffiti is vandalism, period! They gave the trains, the tunnels, and
the stations a very shabby (and in some cases, menacing) look. I don't
know, I like the silver trains - after growing up with graffiti, I
think stainless steel is a welcome change. Still, it would be great if
our subway cars looked liked London's.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 03, 1997 at 17:37:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Wayne Johnson on June 03,
1997 at 09:55:09:
Was that in 88 or 89? Cause that's when I rode the Redbird R17 #2
train, or maybe it was a #5. Man, I miss the old circular front door
windows! Why didn't the TA keep them on future car orders? The square
front window on the R21/22 was ugly and menacing-looking!
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POSTER>John W. Lindloff
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Posted by John W. Lindloff on June 03, 1997 at 18:32:59:
In Reply to: [5]Subway train frequencies posted by Keranu on June 03,
1997 at 17:00:32:
Especially from the historical perspective, the topic of subway train
frequencies (and the related topic of speed) is one that has
fascinated me for a long time. My impression is that, during the
heydays the NYC transit system (and, to the best of my knowledge, some
one has yet to define the heydays, but I guess that it is safe to
assume that the 20s and parts of the 30s fall into this category?),
there were two conditions that do not exist today: (1) trains ran much
more frequently, and (2) even more important, train travel time
between between the same points was much faster, due to better
roadbeds, rails, and newer, more reliable equipment.
For instance, I have frequently read that the maximum time from Times
Square (or was it Grand Central?) to the Far Rockaways was only 30
minutes (even after 11:00 p.m.!)!!! If this service is available today
(and, to be perfectly honest, I am not sure that one go from midtown
late at night to the Rockaways), no one in his right mind would
schedule his personal time for this trip to be anything less than 3
hours!
I lived in Manhattan from the early 70s until the mid 90s. When I
first moved to Manhattan in 1971 (fresh from university with a newly
acquired B.A.), I tried to learn as much as I could about subway
service historically. I found very little available, and most of what
was available existed unpublished--only in oral history, handed down
by people who were already in their 70s when I moved to Manhattan.
However, the overwhelming message that I received whenever I talked to
any one who used the subway in the 1930s, 40s or 50s was that the
condition of the rails, roadbed, etc., allowed for much higher speeds,
that there was a much higher standard (and much higher incidence in
general) of overall subway (i.e., "subway train") traffic coordination
and scheduling, so that connections (and more importantly, the
accuracy of scheduled connection times) at major transfer points were
more realistic, dependable, and reliable, thus setting a system
standard allowed extended travel from point to point over very long
distances to be much faster speeds and times that were much shorter.
Can anyone suggest any studies, published resources, etc., on this
topic? Does anyone have any further comment?
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on June 03, 1997 at 19:16:10:
In Reply to: [6]"Sick in the Head" calling civilisation! (NYCSub)
posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 16:41:26:
The real trick would be to draw the map by memory, including the
stations :-)
--Dave
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on June 03, 1997 at 19:19:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Domain Name posted by Gerry O'Regan on June
03, 1997 at 08:57:59:
Great suggestions. Maybe you'd like to help write it? Seriously, I/we
can use all the help we can get... I'd eventually like to have
histories of all the lines but that's a full time writing and research
job. Maybe if someone could volunteer to one line each, this could
work really well. As I see it, the "lines" that need describing are...
IRT Division
Dyre Avenue Line - NYW&B
Jerome Ave Woodlawn
Pelham Bay Line
White Plains Road
Lexington Avenue
West Side
Brooklyn Extension
(or original IRT, Contract 2, Dual Contracts)
Flushing
IND Division
Sixth Ave Trunk
Eighth Avenue Trunk
Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown
Fulton Avenue
Queens Boulevard
Smith-Church Sts.
BMT Lines
Astoria
Broadway Manhattan
Broadway - Jamaica
Fourth Ave Subway
Canarsie
Culver
Sea Beach
West End
Any takers? Contact me in email and I'll get you what I have already
for each one.
--Dave
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Posted by Quigebo on June 03, 1997 at 19:36:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why not call #7 Express, #8 to avoid confusion?
posted by FRED WELLMAN on June 03, 1997 at 17:14:04:
The original #8 was the Astoria line. This was while the Flushing and
Astoria Lines were ran in joint BMT/IRT service. That ended in 1949
with the BMT Division taking Astoria and the IRT taking Flushing. When
TA equipment took over the 3rd Av El (the Bronx portion) sometime in
the Sixties, it was designated as the #8. Then the El was demolished
in 1973, eliminating the #8. When skip-stop service was instituted on
the #1, the other service was (for some reason I don't know)
designated the #9. Why was it designated the #9, instead of the #8?
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Posted by BRYAN LAYNE on June 03, 1997 at 20:00:45:
is anyone else seeing what im seeing when you click on the followups
to "Sick in the head"?
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 03, 1997 at 20:23:03:
In Reply to: [6]WHat happened with "Sick in the head"? posted by BRYAN
LAYNE on June 03, 1997 at 20:00:45:
I just noticed it too, something isn't registering right with the
replies.
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 03, 1997 at 21:15:23:
In Reply to: [6]WHat happened with "Sick in the head"? posted by BRYAN
LAYNE on June 03, 1997 at 20:00:45:
Looks like a bug in wwwboard. Probably a race condition where two
people are posting at the same time. I'll take a look at it but that's
what you get from free software...
--Dave
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 03, 1997 at 21:59:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Quigebo on June 03, 1997 at
17:37:19:
They may have been ugly and menacing, but they were the last cars
whose front door windows could be opened! Didn't do it too many times
but it was neat!
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: standard cars
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 03, 1997 at 22:16:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: standard cars posted by Quigebo on May 29, 1997 at
18:55:35:
Actually, I also heard that a major reason was that August Belmont did
not want the new subway line to carry freight, as was suggested by
some investors. Is this true?
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POSTER>Lou
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Posted by Lou on June 03, 1997 at 22:35:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway train frequencies posted by John W.
Lindloff on June 03, 1997 at 18:32:59:
Yes but back then the subway was moving a billion people a year. It's
so crowded and the "new" 8 car trains give you 8 LESS doors even
though they are the same train lenghth I bet station dwell times are
way UP adding to the length of your trip.
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POSTER>Lou
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SUBJECT>Re: queensboro bridge bus shuttle
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Posted by Lou on June 03, 1997 at 22:37:17:
In Reply to: [5]queensboro bridge bus shuttle posted by steve
lowenthal on June 03, 1997 at 14:40:11:
I was walking to Queens Plaza and the street (sorry forgot it's
number) that is right before the Post Office on Queen Plaza South has
a bus stop sign for it (in front of the place you can make keys).
Sorry I don't have more or better info then that.
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: New R-142 prototype design
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 03, 1997 at 22:45:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New R-142 prototype design posted by Lou on June
02, 1997 at 20:50:01:
That won't be neccesary, R142s will be equipped with batteries to pull
the train in to the next station. I don't agree with any of John's
ideas, except that I don't care about whether it's narrow/transverse
cab, although I know transverse cabs are better than closets for the
staff, and I don't mind the window frame, or the sign design.
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POSTER>Lou
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SUBJECT>Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing
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Posted by Lou on June 03, 1997 at 22:47:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Steve on June
02, 1997 at 22:35:52:
Yes published headway is 20minutes on the D. I constantly transfer
from the E to the D late at night (2 to 4am) "just" missing the
southbound D (I see the full train just leaving the platform or the
markers). It is starting to become a habbit of more than a 25 minute
wait.
I never litter, and agree with you the amount of "customers" littering
is way up. But the actual difference in the appearance of the train as
I enter is striking compared to weekday service.
I feel that I should not have to pay the same for off peak service
then during rush hour.
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SUBJECT>Funny train assignments
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 03, 1997 at 22:51:04:
Can someone PLEASE explain to me why I saw an uptown R-68 B at W4
during the AM rush on 2 separate occasions? an R-40 N at Stillwell
during the midday? and an 95 bound R-32 R at DeKalb today in the PM
rush?
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SUBJECT>Funny train assignments
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 03, 1997 at 22:51:06:
Can someone PLEASE explain to me why I saw an uptown R-68 B at W4
during the AM rush on 2 separate occasions, an R-40 N at Stillwell
during the midday, and an 95 bound R-32 R at DeKalb today in the PM
rush?
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 03, 1997 at 22:57:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by FRED WELLMAN
on June 03, 1997 at 17:16:46:
They do crack down on petty crimes in the subway, like turnstile
jumping, but most litterbugs are not violent criminals, like turnstile
jumpers might be.
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Posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 23:18:28:
In Reply to: [5]Funny train assignments posted by M.J.S. on June 03,
1997 at 22:51:06:
Well, R-68s are now being used on the B regularly (I rode in one on
one time, and I also saw a few), although the majority of Bs are still
R-40s. The N has a couple (maybe even just one) R-40 on it, and I rode
in it a couple of times. I don't know about the R-32 R train. I
thought the R was exclusively R-44/R-46.
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:19:38:
In Reply to: [6]Funny train assignments posted by M.J.S. on June 03,
1997 at 22:51:06:
I can explain 2 very easily:
First, the R-68 B train was actually an R-68A. There are three 8-car
R-68A trains assigned to the B line. During the evening hours they are
cut into 4 car trains and used for OPTO service. The 3rd serves as a
spare.
Second, the R-32s on the R line. There are, I believe, 28 trains
assigned to the R line. Up to 3 trains can be 10 car R-32s.
Finally, the R-40s on the N line. Here your guess is as good as mine.
What I will tell you is that if there are not enough cars of the
required type to make full service, RTO will use anything that is
available & compatible to make full service.
By the way, car assignments are made by the Operations-Planning Dept.
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:22:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Funny train assignments posted by John on June 03,
1997 at 23:18:28:
R-44s are NEVER EVER used in R service. The R service calls for 25
8-car R-46 consists and 3 10-car R-32 consists but never an R-44. They
are exclusive to the A or C lines
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:26:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway train frequencies posted by Lou on June 03,
1997 at 22:35:32:
Interesting observation. Actually that was the exact reason that the
R-32s replaced the R-46s on the E line.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:39:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: How Do They Do It posted by Keranu on June 03,
1997 at 16:32:35:
I wish you lived closer. I could bring a band of graffiti artists to
your parents home and they could express their artistic side on the
outside of your house.
Oddly enough, I doubt that you'd be so liberal if you were picking up
the tab for the damage these miscreants do. Let me know if you feel
the same way when you start paying taxes.......
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Posted by John on June 03, 1997 at 23:40:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Colour Coding posted by Quigebo on June 03, 1997
at 17:15:29:
It is true that the color coding (on the map, at least) makes it
easier to read. However, refering to a line by color would only be
useful for three lines - the #7 (purple), the L (gray), and the G
(light green). Other than those, referring to a line by color would
cause confusion because multiple lines use the same colors. In
addition, some of the colors have been changes on the map, but not on
the trains. For example, when the south side of the Manhattan bridge
was closed, the Q trains were rerouted onto the 6th Avenue Line. On
the map, the Q is orange, but the 'Q' sign on the front and sides of
the trains are still yellow (from the Broadway Line). This kind of
thing would only add to the confusion. Most New Yorkers probably do
know the colors and corresponding letters or numbers. If you were to
ask a New Yorker for a subway by color, they probably would understand
if they have a knowledge on the subway. By the way, some people still
refer to subway lines by division and street (7th Avenue IRT, 8th
Avenue IND, etc), and some STILL refer to the R and G by their old
names - the RR and GG (my uncle calls the G the GGG. What's next, the
1,239?)
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:43:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: How Do They Do It posted by Nathan on June 03,
1997 at 01:21:14:
HAHAHAHAHA - Thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I'll give it a try.
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SUBJECT>Re: LIRR Signals (for Charles Fiori)
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:46:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Signals posted by Charles Fiori on June 03,
1997 at 07:44:59:
Thanks, I'd appreciate that. In the meantime I was told that I can get
a copy at The Hillside Mtce. Facility the next time I'm there.
(Whenever that'll be)
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:49:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Lou on June
03, 1997 at 22:47:09:
With the MetroCard, such discounts may be possible in the future.
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Posted by Steve on June 03, 1997 at 23:54:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by M.J.S. on
June 03, 1997 at 22:57:21:
It's not too popular to arrest or summons a mother who changes her
baby's diaper on the train and then slips the dirty one under the seat
- but it stinks just as much. If every person littering a train
received a ticket, what court would process the paperwork and
adjudicate the fines?
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Posted by Brian on June 04, 1997 at 00:57:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Toronto subway/signals posted by Nathan on June
02, 1997 at 00:16:04:
1) The Bloor-Danforth line is actually both cut-and-cover and bored
tunnel. The easiest way to tell which section is which is to actually
ride the subway and look at the shape of the tunnel. If it is
box-shaped, as most of the line is, then it is cut-and-cover. But if
the tunnel is circular, like the section from Yonge to Sherbourne as
well as other sections, then it is bored tunnel.
2) When the Sheppard line goes into service, there probably won't be
integrated operations with the Y-U-S since this would create delays at
a point on the line where there are already too many (it is near
Finch, which is the end of the line).
3) Of all the great improvements proposed by the TTC, the one that has
the greatest chance of being built in the near future is the Eglinton
West subway. This will probably only start once the Sheppard line and
the Spadina LRT
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POSTER>Brian
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Posted by Brian on June 04, 1997 at 01:01:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Toronto subway/signals posted by Nathan on June
02, 1997 at 00:16:04:
1) The Bloor-Danforth line is actually both cut-and-cover and bored
tunnel. The easiest way to tell which section is which is to actually
ride the subway and look at the shape of the tunnel. If it is
box-shaped, as most of the line is, then it is cut-and-cover. But if
the tunnel is circular, like the section from Yonge to Sherbourne as
well as other sections, then it is bored tunnel.
2) When the Sheppard line goes into service, there probably won't be
integrated operations with the Y-U-S since this would create delays at
a point on the line where there are already too many (it is near
Finch, which is the end of the line).
3) Of all the great improvements proposed by the TTC, the one that has
the greatest chance of being built in the near future is the Eglinton
West subway. This will probably only start once the Sheppard line and
the Spadina LRT are completed.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 04, 1997 at 01:22:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Funny train assignments posted by Steve on June
03, 1997 at 23:19:38:
And check out the proposed BMT/IND car assignments for 2001, when the
Q begins Queens Blvd service through 63rd St on Joe Korman's site. It
includes the N getting five 10-car R40s and nine 10-car R42s, because
its R68s/68As are going to the Q for its new service and becuase the L
and M are recieving new R143s that same year.
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SUBJECT>Re: B-D/Sheppard/Eglinton
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Posted by Nathan on June 04, 1997 at 01:44:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: B-D/Sheppard/Eglinton posted by Brian on June 04,
1997 at 00:57:29:
When does the Spadina LRT open? Is there going to be a new model LRV
or will the line just use ALRV's? I'll be in T.O. this summer and I
was hoping the Spadina LRT will be open by then.
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POSTER>Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto
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SUBJECT>Re: LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on June 04, 1997 at 03:10:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Bay Ridge - Canarsie Switch posted by Peter
Rosa on June 02, 1997 at 12:48:17:
Pete, the switch connected to the Canarsie line right near another
switch from the Canarsie Line to a lead track from the adjacent IRT
New Lots Line, to the Livonia Yard -- that was the beauty of the
thing.
If what you say is true about the IRT cars being prep'd at Coney (any
comment **Steve "Grover"**?) then anyone have an idea about what the
LIRR-Canarsie switch WAS in fact used for???
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on June 04, 1997 at 03:19:21:
For everyone's benefit, David, can you explain why often we find reply
posts with the exact title of an existing thread appearing as a
seperate thread without linkage?
Is this a bug, are people entering their replies as new posts, and if
the latter is true, perhaps the system should automatically unite them
if they occur within a certain time frame of the original post...
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POSTER>Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto
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SUBJECT>Re: new Brighton Line section
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Posted by Ben-Zion Y. Cassouto on June 04, 1997 at 03:25:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: new Brighton Line section posted by Dave Pirmann
on June 03, 1997 at 19:19:35:
What you MUST make use of are the treasures of info in the old NY
Division ERA Bulletin - history, route info, track maps with
anotations...
Mandatory!
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 04, 1997 at 10:11:10:
In Reply to: [6]Posting and follow-up method posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on June 04, 1997 at 03:19:21:
That happens when the original parent of the article is expired. For
instance...
Marker Lights - by
soandso
Re: Marker Lights - M.J.S
Re: Marker Lights - Andrew Huie
Re: Marker Lights - Steve
When the original article is moved to the archive, the two followups
become two seperate top level articles. Perhaps that's not logical but
I don't think it's a bug, exactly...
Want to see the code? Maybe you can come up with some improvements.
I'm not really a programmer....
--Dave
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 04, 1997 at 10:58:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Quigebo on June 03, 1997 at
17:37:19:
I don't remember the exact year, but '89-'89 sounds about right - give
or take a couple of years. If you rode a R-17 redbird on either line,
then I'm sure that was the train as the other R-17's had been taken
out of service. Also during their last years most R-17's were assigned
to the #4 line, some were assigned to the #6 and, of course the 10
assigned to the shuttle.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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SUBJECT>Re: Redbirds on the 1?!?!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 04, 1997 at 12:08:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbirds on the 1?!?! posted by John on June 03,
1997 at 17:10:46:
That probably was the best move to make. If the train had indeed
continued along the #1 route, I'm sure the dispatcher would have made
announcements over the stations PA system.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: new Brighton Line section
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 04, 1997 at 15:02:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: new Brighton Line section posted by Ben-Zion Y.
Cassouto on June 04, 1997 at 03:25:06:
I'd love to. But that stuff is copyrighted and permission would need
to be obtained. I've already asked for permission to scan some stuff
from the ERA "Headlights" but I've gotten no responses from them in
about a month's time. Do you have contacts in those organizations that
you could work with to get permission and the source material? Please
email me if you do.
--Dave
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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SUBJECT>Looking for Volunteers
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on June 04, 1997 at
Greetings,
As you all can probably imagine, we could use all the volunteers we
can get. I have a list of projects that I've been sitting on. Maybe
some of you would like to assist and contribute a section to the site.
I already posted something about a description of the routes (see
[6]re: New Brighton Line section). I already got a couple of people on
board to work on those sections. Here are some other projects that
some of you might be interested in:
1. Completion of the route descriptions and history
2. Cleaning up the [7]Usenet articles into an "operational guide"
3. Obtain articles from newspapers prior to 1920 regarding the subway
and El, (e.g. new York Times October 27 1904). All of this stuff is in
the public domain and could be posted to the site. Maybe someone with
access to a good research library could do this.
4. Someone with contacts in the ERA/New York Division to obtain the
source material and permission to repost it to the web, e.g. articles
and maps from their newsletter from years ago.
etc. etc.
Suggestions are welcome for more ideas, especially if you'd like to
volunteer to help work on it.
--Dave
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POSTER>Quigebo
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SUBJECT>Re: Redbird-R-62
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Posted by Quigebo on June 04, 1997 at 15:34:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Andrew Huie on June 03,
1997 at 21:59:37:
True, but the square windows only opened downward. One R26 has a
square window at its leading end, taken secondhand from an R21. The
R17's circular window swung around to open. I used to love that.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 04, 1997 at 15:41:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Wayne Johnson on June 04,
1997 at 10:58:48:
The #2 had quite a few R17s in the Eighties as well, though not as
many as the #4 or #6. I thought the #6 had the most R17s in their last
years. I'm telling you, if they kept that circular window on the other
Redbird cars (R29, R33, R36, etc.), I might not have missed the R17 so
much.
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POSTER>Brian
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SUBJECT>Re: Spadina LRT
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Posted by Brian on June 04, 1997 at 15:46:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: B-D/Sheppard/Eglinton posted by Nathan on June 04,
1997 at 01:44:29:
Construction of the Spadina LRT began in late 1992 and it was
originally scheduled to open in early 1997, but last time I checked
(last week) it wasn't open yet. From what I can see, however, it looks
like it is near completion so expect to see it running some time this
summer.
When in operation, expect to see CLRVs or ALRVs in service on this
line. I have not heard of any plans for a new LRV.
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POSTER>Brian
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SUBJECT>TTC/listening in
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Posted by Brian on June 04, 1997 at 15:55:40:
I own a scanner radio and would love to listen to the TTC subway in
operation. Does anyone know any radio frequencies that I could use?
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POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing
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Posted by Nathan on June 04, 1997 at 15:58:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Wayne Johnson
on June 03, 1997 at 10:18:29:
If so, (regarding the litter) has the TA considered fines, or maybe
"outlawing" food, which would suck for the rest of us but it would
keep the
system cleaner...
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POSTER>Brian
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SUBJECT>What are interlocking signals?
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What are interlocking signals? There are many on the TTC subway but I
have no idea how they work or what their different colours mean.
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: Funny train assignments
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Posted by John on June 04, 1997 at 16:41:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Funny train assignments posted by Steve on June
03, 1997 at 23:22:41:
What's the difference between the R-44s and the R-46s? Time and time
again, I've looked for the tiniest difference, and time and time
again, I have failed to find it. They both look exactly alike.
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Posted by Rj on June 04, 1997 at 16:43:06:
In Reply to: [5]WINNERS OF THE CHICAGO RAIL FAN QUIZ.COM posted by
Brian Jakosz on June 01, 1997 at 21:46:44:
the winner is Bryan, not Dave, Sorry Bryan
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 04, 1997 at 17:51:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Nathan on
June 04, 1997 at 15:58:02:
Well - It seems at this point that the Transit Police dosen't ticket
passengers with food/(non-alcoholic) drinks. I guess they will ticket
people for littering, but I'm sure most people will not litter in
their presence that same as when they sneak a quick smoke, which
happens quite often.
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Posted by Bob on June 04, 1997 at 20:16:49:
This has always been a pet "pee"ve of mine: Years ago, as late as the
early '60's as I recall , just about every station had toilet
facilities that were open at least during the daytime. Nowadays, it
seems that, if nature happens to call at an inopportune time, you have
to exit the subway . Are there any open restrooms left?
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Posted by Brian on June 04, 1997 at 21:09:27:
It is about time that there is subway-bus transfer in this city. We
deserve it for $1.50. However, does anyone know how this will affect
the student passes. I want to know if I will be able to use the
transfer next year with my pass.
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Posted by David L. on June 04, 1997 at 22:04:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Funny train assignments posted by Quigebo on June
04, 1997 at 01:22:25:
What is the address to Joe Korman's site?
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Posted by Steve on June 04, 1997 at 22:15:29:
In Reply to: [6]What are interlocking signals? posted by Brian on June
04, 1997 at 16:27:26:
Interlocking signals are signals which protect an interlocking area
(switches). On the NYCT system, currently, there are two major types
of signals, Home signals and automatic signals.
Automatic signals are the signals which control the majority of the
train movements over straight rails (no switches). They turn red when
a train is on their circuit or the following circuit. As the train
advances they change to a caution 'indication' and then green. This is
done without any human control, hence automatic. Automatic signals
usually display only one aspect at a time (one color).
Home signals are controlled from a tower either nearby or miles away.
They are usually used to control traffic over switches. On the NYCT,
Home signals display two aspects. The top aspect gives you the
condition of the track ahead (like an automatic signal). The lower
aspect gives you the direction of travel, either normal or diverging
route. There are only 5 different aspects that a home signal will
display on the B division. they are.
Green over Green - proceed on main route.
green over yellow - proceed on diverging route
yellow over green - proceed on normal route & be prepared to stop at
next signal
yellow over yellow - proceed over diverging route & be prepared to
stop at next signal
Red over Red - Stop
There are dozens of variations and the IRT signals are also different
but I'm sure you get the idea.
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Posted by Steve on June 04, 1997 at 22:23:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Funny train assignments posted by Quigebo on June
04, 1997 at 01:22:25:
I've seen a dozen variations of those car assignments. I hate to say
that they are BS but largely, they are only guestimates. Since at
least one of the contracts you mentioned is scheduled for partial
retirement (scrapping) by 2001 and the TA may have many changes at the
executive level by then, I would not put much stock in any such plans.
They might as well be writing the TA version of the Farmers' Almanac.
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Posted by Steve on June 04, 1997 at 22:33:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Funny train assignments posted by John on June 04,
1997 at 16:41:28:
Cosmetically, there is little difference. The most significant
cosmetic difference is that the Cab on the R-44 is uncomfortably small
while the R-46 cab is about two feet deeper. The major differences are
in the mechanical aspects of the car. Those differences are less so
since both cars underwent overhaul in 1990 -1992. The major
differences are.
Propulsion -
R-46 GE SCM-1 controllers with NY AirBrake single handle master
controller
R-44 Westinghouse E-Cam controller with Westcode Master Controller.
Braking.
R-46 NY Air Brake braking R-44 Westcode Braking
HVAC
R-46 Thermoking R-44 Stone Safety
Air Compressor
R-46 WABCO D-4ES R-44 KNORR Rotary
Doors
R-46 Westcode R-44 Vapor
Car Builder/Rebuilder
R-46 Builder - Pullman Standard Rebuilder - Morrison Knudsen
R-44 Builder St.Louis Car Co. Rebuilder Morrison Knudsen & NYCT 50%
Each
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Posted by Jim on June 04, 1997 at 22:41:51:
In Reply to: [5]Are there any remaining open restrooms? posted by Bob
on June 04, 1997 at 20:16:49:
For the most part - no although there are a few like 179th Street on
the F line. Unfortunately, the public mess them up or they end up
becoming cruising areas for our 'alternative lifestyle' friends.
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Posted by Steve on June 04, 1997 at 22:45:07:
In Reply to: [5]TTC/listening in posted by Brian on June 04, 1997 at
15:55:40:
I suggest that you just ask. If you don't want to do that, in the US,
Radio Shack publishes a book with most frequencies for air, marine
rail, police and fire. I suppose that the same info is available up
north. However, keep in mind that you will not receive tunnel chat if
you are in the street.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 04, 1997 at 23:04:44:
In Reply to: [6]Subway/Bus Transfer posted by Brian on June 04, 1997
at 21:09:27:
You won't get a pass next year, you'll get a MetroCard
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Posted by James A. on June 04, 1997 at 23:35:28:
In Reply to: [5]New R-142 prototype design posted by Bryan Layne on
June 02, 1997 at 16:36:21:
Looks good, Like a cross between an r62 and the r110a. I like the
large route signs of the r62 rather than the little colored LCDs of
the r110a. You could see those large signs a mile away rather than
have to guess ( On a unrelated note,Does anyone else hate those #@!$#
little flip dot signs on the head-end of the r32s and 38s.) BTW, does
anyone have any more pictures of the new trains? I would like to know
if anyone has an interior shot of it or engineering diagrams if
possible.
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Posted by James A. on June 05, 1997 at 00:05:12:
In Reply to: [5]Are there any remaining open restrooms? posted by Bob
on June 04, 1997 at 20:16:49:
Yup, look for any secluded corner near the platform ends. ;>) Like
Tucan Sam used to say "Just follow your nose!" Seriously, The only
open one I know of is the one in the Main Street station on the #7
Flushing line.
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Posted by Nathan on June 05, 1997 at 01:44:55:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there any remaining open restrooms? posted by
James A. on June 05, 1997 at 00:05:12:
Secluded end of the platform? Good in theory, but (sorry for being
rude)
there are electrified 3rd rails, a relieved rider might receive a
refreshing *ZAP*!!!
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Posted by Nathan on June 05, 1997 at 01:49:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 04, 1997 at 22:15:29:
Hmmm, so that is what interlocking signals are. So in Toronto, if the
signal is red, the little "trip arm" comes up and stops a train that
is running a red light, unless of course you have a heavy footed
driver
and an arm that can't get all the way up, then you have what happened
on the Spadina Subway 2 years ago? Lovely.
P.S. Brian, is TTC Subway and Streetcar/lrv rail welded?
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Posted by Nathan on June 05, 1997 at 01:53:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New R-142 prototype design posted by James A. on
June 04, 1997 at 23:35:28:
I have some diagrams, tech info etc on the r-110s that I managed to
get from Bombardier, if that is any help...
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Posted by Nathan on June 05, 1997 at 02:00:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Wayne Johnson
on June 04, 1997 at 17:51:56:
Hmmm, the TA should strongly discourage smoking on trains, that would
suck if something caught fire... I'd hate to see what goes on on the
trains late at night with kids and all the trains are probably a
hot-house of illegal
activities ("and to your left is a hot-boxed R-32...")
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Posted by Nathan on June 05, 1997 at 02:06:32:
Regarding Portland's new Westside MAX line under construction, I heard
an unconfirmed rumour that not only does the new line travel through a
3 mile tunnel, but that in the middle of the tunnel there is a subway
style station, 260 feet below the ground!! Ack! Is that true??
P.S. Does anyone have any daily ridership stats for the San Diego or
Calgary light rail systems? I heard calgary carried 115 000 people per
day
but again I'm not sure.
Thanx
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 05, 1997 at 09:27:21:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The 'C' train & TA Bashing posted by Nathan on
June 05, 1997 at 02:00:08:
The TA does discourage smoking with many signs that prohibit it. I'm
pretty sure that it is common knowledge that smoking is not permitted
on the transit system (including buses), but it's a case of the
violators know that the transit police can't be everywhere at once.
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SUBJECT>Getting to the garment district from Jersey
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Posted by Sharise on June 05, 1997 at 09:43:04:
I haven't been home (nj) in years and when I was there I never really
took public transit. I know the NY subway system is massive so I need
some help asap. Can anyone tell me how to get from say, Jersey City to
NY's garment district (7th ave., I believe)on the train ?
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Posted by James A. on June 05, 1997 at 09:43:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there any remaining open restrooms? posted by
Nathan on June 05, 1997 at 01:44:55:
Well,I guess it should only be attempted by those with good aim then!
;)
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Posted by Quigebo on June 05, 1997 at 13:57:55:
In Reply to: [6]Getting to the garment district from Jersey posted by
Sharise on June 05, 1997 at 09:43:04:
You can take the PATH train from Journal Square. Take the train
heading for 33rd St. Get off at 23rd St and walk 1 block west to 7th
Av.
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Posted by George Demas on June 05, 1997 at 15:05:08:
I left THE BIG APPLE in 1971. Outside of my shock at the new subway
fares(a token was only 15 cents when I left), I must tell you to
appreciate what you've got. There is no other transit system in the
U.S. that compares to New York's.
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Posted by jerry on June 05, 1997 at 16:27:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway train frequencies posted by Steve on June
03, 1997 at 23:26:54:
In the 30's and 40's nobody made it from Manhattan to Rockaway on the
subway in thirty minutes or three hours. The service was provided by
the Long Island Rail Road over the same roadbed and structures now
used by the subway. At some point, a fire occurred on the bridge to
Rockaway and the railroad dropped service. In the 50's, the Transit
Authority took over the route, rebuilt the bridge and connected it to
the IND.
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Posted by John on June 05, 1997 at 16:35:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there any remaining open restrooms? posted by
Jim on June 04, 1997 at 22:41:51:
I also know of a restroom in the Coney Island station, and also 95th
Street on the R line. Of course, you can always go between the cars of
a train.
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Posted by Brian on June 05, 1997 at 17:14:08:
The connection of the Q line to the Queens Blvd. Line makes no sense.
What was the purpose of building the line, when people are going to
the same place through different tunnels. What should be done is
connecting the line with the LIRR, and running an express service to
Eastern Queens, where it is needed. The Q would go from 21st st.
Queensbridge to the LIRR, stop at Woodside, Forest Hills, and Kew
Gardens, before going to Jamaca. Then it would go out to Eastern
Queens. If this is done, the LIRR trains should skip Forest Hills and
Kew Gardens.
Yes, this is more expensive, but it is creating a new line, with quick
service into Manhattan from Eastern Queens. The track is also already
there, so it would be a much lower cost than building a new line.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on June 05, 1997 at 19:50:47:
In Reply to: [5]Unequaled posted by George Demas on June 05, 1997 at
15:05:08:
Right On! Better Believe It.
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Posted by Steve on June 05, 1997 at 20:24:45:
In Reply to: [6]Queensbridge-Queens Blvd. Line connection posted by
Brian on June 05, 1997 at 17:14:08:
Your Idea is not really do-able. First, the systems are not compaible
but even if the mechanical issues could be overcome, there are the
legal ones.
The LIRR is, under thr Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) defined as a
Class I railroad. Any system which has trackage in common with a Class
I railroad, must then operate under FRA regulations, which the subway
system doen not now do. The TA could no longer use motormen, who would
have to be federally licensed engineers. Inspection would have to
conform to FRA standards , and I guess you get the point.
Don't despair though. Your idea, in a similar form is still on the
drawing boards although it was shelved for the cheaper alternative
already under way. The Queens Super Express would have come through
the 63rd St. tunnel, through Sunnyside yard and along the LIRR ROW to
Woodhaven Blvd. where it would merge with the Queens Blvd. IND.
Part of the plan is still likely to be built, however. A large storage
yard and diesel Mtce. facility are still being built in Sunnyside yard
along with a ramp to the #7 line and a loop track for the Corona
fleet.
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Posted by Steve on June 05, 1997 at 20:34:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Nathan on
June 05, 1997 at 01:49:49:
In the NYCT signal system, this is not likely to happen - barring a
mechanical failure. A signal at danger will have it's stop arm up. In
the case of an automatic signal, a train operator can "KEY BY" the
signal by pulling the train up to the signal and then proceeding very
slowly. Once the train is on the circuit, the stop arm will go down,
however, this must be done at speeds under 5 MPH. This is done ONLY
under permission by a supervisor (Rule 37n)
In the case of a Home Signal, the tower operator may permit a train to
enter an already occupied block by displaying a "CALL ON" signal. This
is a third aspect on the signal which would typically be
Red/Red/Yellow. The Train operator accepts the call on by activating a
lever on the signal. He may then proceed into the occupied block (rule
37j among others)
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Posted by Steve on June 05, 1997 at 20:39:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway train frequencies posted by jerry on June
05, 1997 at 16:27:58:
Absolutely correct. The Rock-Park line re-opened in 1956 and the Far
Rock portion in 1958. Good looking out.....
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Posted by Brian on June 05, 1997 at 22:05:54:
In Reply to: [6]"Sick in the Head" calling civilisation! (NYCSub)
posted by Keranu on June 03, 1997 at 16:41:26:
I'm from New York, but I memorized the system when I was 6. This is
normal, and a great asset.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 05, 1997 at 22:16:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensbridge-Queens Blvd. Line connection posted
by Steve on June 05, 1997 at 20:24:45:
Why a loop track for the Corona fleet? Also why build another
maintenance yard? Is the fleet actually getting bigger, or it just
that places like Coney Island are equipped to deal with diesels
properly?
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 05, 1997 at 22:38:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Quigebo on June 04, 1997 at
15:34:57:
That's interesting, I'd completely forgotten about how many of the
circular windows were "askew". It never really occurred to me that
they were *meant* to open, I had always thought they were broken! (I
may have tried to open one once and failed, which might explain why I
had this belief). The 21's and 22's had windows that *looked* like
they could be opened, on the other hand.
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Posted by Bill J on June 06, 1997 at 09:16:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Unequaled posted by Bryan Layne on June 05, 1997
at 19:50:47:
I left NYC in 1970 but I've visited several times since. Yesterday I
took a day off work to come into the city and ride the rails. Apart
from being the best amusement ride ever made, I was really impressed
with how the system has kept on. (And it wasn't a reat day for MTA...
a track fire on Manhattan Bridge, a "smoke condition" at Prospect Park
/ Brighton... it all made for some very unusual routing.)
Also visited the transit musuem which is great.
The funny thing is even though I choose to concentrate on the BMT in
south Brooklyn, the biggest thrill of the day was seeing the IRT
redbirds at Court Street. They're STILL running!! And that sound, the
squeeling brakes... now that's a subway train.
Thanks New York and NY Subway for a great day.
Bill
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In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensbridge-Queens Blvd. Line connection posted
by Steve on June 05, 1997 at 20:24:45:
Where is the location of the Sunnyside yard? I suppose this is _not_ a
yard just outside the Hunters Point Boulevard station on the 7,
correct?
Of particular interest is where will the ramp to the 7 be built.
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Posted by Julio Perez on June 06, 1997 at 10:41:32:
In Reply to: [6]Unequaled posted by George Demas on June 05, 1997 at
15:05:08:
I left NYC in '75. Even though I've lived most of my life outside the
city, I consider myself a New Yorker and am VERY PROUD of being one.
I am also VERY PROUD of saying the NYC subway system is the best
system in the country. True, it does have its share of problems such
as occasional crime, unfriendly aromas, and some unforeseen
circumstances (fires and other rail troubles). But, it gets you where
you need to go, and not where the politicians think you need to go to.
I've lived in two other cities with a rapid transit system in the US,
Atlanta and Miami. Atlanta's MARTA is clean and efficient, and does
work miraculously. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for Metrorail
(Miami). So, as George tells you, APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE IF YOU LIVE
IN NEW YORK CITY: don't take it for granted.
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Posted by Fitz on June 06, 1997 at 14:27:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 05, 1997 at 20:34:15:
By rulebook definition, an interlocking is an "arrangement of switch
and
signal devices installed at locations where trains may be routed from
one track to another".These switches and signals are "interlocked" in
that once a route has been established,no other movements that would
conflict with the established route can take place.Information as to
which way the switches are set is conveyed to an approaching train by
means of colored lights or combinations thereof displayed on the
signal.
On most rapid transit systems,interlocking signals are identified by a
number,plus the letter "X".
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Posted by Fitz on June 06, 1997 at 14:27:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 05, 1997 at 20:34:15:
By rulebook definition, an interlocking is an "arrangement of switch
and
signal devices installed at locations where trains may be routed from
one track to another".These switches and signals are "interlocked" in
that once a route has been established,no other movements that would
conflict with the established route can take place.Information as to
which way the switches are set is conveyed to an approaching train by
means of colored lights or combinations thereof displayed on the
signal.
On most rapid transit systems,interlocking signals are identified by a
number,plus the letter "X".
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In Reply to: [6]Sunnyside Yard Location/Connection (Was Re:
Queensbridge-Queens Blvd. Line connection) posted by Julio Perez on
June 06, 1997 at 10:25:19:
When you take a LIRR or Amtrak train out of Penn Station, the yard you
see when you first come out of the tunnel in Queens is Sunnyside yard.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 06, 1997 at 16:18:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Bill J on June 06, 1997 at
09:16:48:
Our subway definately has no equal. And I found that out the hard way.
I got to school down in Philadelphia, and I must say their subway
system is a joke! You know the famous subway odor? Well, it's ten
times worse in Philly than in the Big Apple. Their Market-Frankford El
cars are forty years old and have never been overhauled, unlike our
Redbirds. So the El cars have no A/C and the materials used in the
interior look ancient. The Philly system doesn't take you where you
want to go a lot of the time because there are only two lines with one
line having a branch that doesn't run on Sunday and very little
service on Saturday. And it costs more than our system ($1.60). I
definately appreciate the New York City Subway, having grown up with
it my whole life.
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Posted by John on June 06, 1997 at 16:36:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Quigebo on June 04, 1997 at
15:34:57:
Is that R-26 still in service? If so, what line is it usually on?
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Posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at 16:43:36:
Please comment on these ideas, either if you agree or disagree
1. Culver Line
On the Culver line, it takes a long time to get out to Coney Island
from Manhattan. Why not run the F express from Jay St. to Church Av.,
and run the G to Church Avenue running local.
2. Sea Beach/West End Lines
The B train gets out to 36th and 4th from Manhattan very quickly.
However, it takes a year to get to Coney Island because there are so
many stops. The N train takes too long to get to 59th St., then gets
to Coney Island more quickly. If they put the B on the Sea Beach line,
running express to 59th St., and the N local to 36th St, then on the
West End Line, it would take less time to get to Coney Island.
3. Run the A trains out to Far Rockaway express on Weekends. It
probably takes forever to get out to JFK and the Rockaways when it is
running local. Also, give a new name to trains going out to Far
Rockaway (such as the T). You should be able to know where a train is
going by looking at the letter. (This is of course not significant,
about the new train letter)
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 06, 1997 at 16:57:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by John on June 06, 1997 at
16:36:07:
Yes it is. I believe it's #7779 and it's on the #5 line.
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Posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at 17:19:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Nathan on
June 05, 1997 at 01:49:49:
What exactly do you mean by "welded"?
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 06, 1997 at 18:28:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Unequaled posted by Bill J on June 06, 1997 at
09:16:48:
The RedBirds are still running, isn't that a shame.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 06, 1997 at 18:39:36:
In Reply to: [6]Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June 06,
1997 at 16:43:36:
All 3 Ideas have been done (#2 sucked though)I have no idea why the F
express to Kings Highway doesn't exist anymore (other than cuts).
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 06, 1997 at 18:41:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded rail posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at
17:19:40:
It's a basic vocabulary world that 3rd graders know. To weld is to use
a device that would melt 2 independent pieces of metal where they
touch, then the melt solidifies and the 2 pieces are now one.
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Posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at 19:14:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by M.J.S. on June
06, 1997 at 18:39:36:
I did not know what problems that led to. I was born in 1983. However,
I know the Sea beach line gets to Coney Island more quickly, because
there are fewer stops. If that did not work, how is this idea. Run the
N express in Brooklyn, and the B local. Also, the N should run express
in Manhattan, like the Q did, even though it would not go over the
bridge.
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Posted by Lou on June 06, 1997 at 19:17:44:
In Reply to: [5]Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June 06,
1997 at 16:43:36:
The only real express route left in Brooklyn is the Q. I know the
N/M/B runs express 4th Avenue but that is just to spread the
congestion from downtown brooklyn (IMHO) and make all local stops to
their terminus.
I hear from a friend that once the Manhattan Bridge southside
(Broadway connection) is done AND the Canal Street Station fix AND the
63rd street tunnel extension is hooked up to Queens Blvd, the current
plan (pending changes) is for the Q to run express on Broadway (I
can't wait for an express on Broadway) and into queens via the 63rd
street tunnel.
Can't wait!!, Year 2010??
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Posted by Lou on June 06, 1997 at 19:21:03:
In Reply to: [5]Subway/Bus Transfer posted by Brian on June 04, 1997
at 21:09:27:
No student Passes, all will be metro card with 3 or 4 rides per day
max. Think it is gonna be 3 rides a day. You'll be able to transfer as
per the metro card rules (within 2 hours etc.)
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Posted by Steve on June 06, 1997 at 19:30:40:
In Reply to: [5]Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June 06,
1997 at 16:43:36:
The only reason the F train does not run express in Brooklyn anymore
is because of the political power of former City Council Member Cuite,
who represented the area around Carroll Street (a local stop) and who
is now retired. I suggest we go back to a bifurcated F train format-
Express F trains run express for the entire route (including Hillside
Avenue, the segment between Jay Street and Church Avenue and along
Macdonald Avenue) with a terminus at Coney Island). Local F trains
would make all local stops in Queens and Brooklyn and terminate at
Kings Highway. G trains could run local to Church Avenue to provide
additional service to Park Slope and Carroll Street.
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Posted by Lou on June 06, 1997 at 19:37:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New R-142 prototype design posted by M.J.S. on
June 03, 1997 at 22:45:40:
Nice idea with the batteries but the fire was in the station so I am
still suffering with power out unless the batteries will power the
hotel items?
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Posted by Steve on June 06, 1997 at 19:49:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Lou on June 06,
1997 at 19:17:44:
I think you mean 2001 !!!
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Posted by Steve on June 06, 1997 at 19:56:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensbridge-Queens Blvd. Line connection posted
by Andrew Huie on June 05, 1997 at 22:16:39:
Why another Mtce. yard.?
The yard would primarily service the workmotor fleet. There is no such
facility in Queens at all. 36th St. in Brooklyn and Pelham Diesel shop
are no longer adequate.
Why a loop track for the Corona cars?
The Corona cars are run, periodically to Coney Island Yard to be
looped - to promote even wheel wear. The #7 line is the only one
without a facility to turn it's cars around.
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Posted by Steve on June 06, 1997 at 19:58:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Fitz on
June 06, 1997 at 14:27:45:
Very good but what do the numbers on the signal stand for?
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Posted by Steve on June 06, 1997 at 20:03:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded rail posted by M.J.S. on June 06, 1997 at
18:41:43:
No need to get nasty, MJS !!! We all can't have all the answers.
Welded rail is a rail segment - which can run up to and in excess of
1000 feet in length. It is made up of shorter sections which are
WELDED together. This makes for a quieter, smoother ride and less
maintenance for the track department. If you want to see welded rail
being instaled, ride the LIRR from Jamaica to Woodside any day for the
next two months.
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Posted by Steve on June 06, 1997 at 20:14:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New R-142 prototype design posted by M.J.S. on
June 03, 1997 at 22:45:40:
Where do you get the idea that there will be batteries to power the
train in an emergency? Look at it logically. TA uses batteries at 37.5
volts DC. Third rail is 600Volts DC. The average subway car needs 150
amps at 600 volts to overcome inertia. (During Accel. current goes to
450 - 500 amps.)
That would mean that you'd need batteries rated at more than 3,000
Amp/Hts. just to move an empty train without lights and HVAC. Figure
6,000 Amp/hrs would be more realistic per car. Where are you going to
put the passengers - err I mean the customers? By the way, currently,
subway car batteries are rated at about 120 amp/hrs and weigh about
600 Lbs. without the battery box.
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Posted by Lefty on June 06, 1997 at 20:51:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June
06, 1997 at 19:14:01:
where on broadway will the q run express? from what st to what st? it
would be cool if someone draws a map of what the subway will be like
in 2002 or something? someone wanna do it?
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Posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at 21:12:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Lefty on June
06, 1997 at 20:51:22:
Isn't the Manhattan Bridge section going to re-open in 1999? What the
Q will do is run express from Canal St. to 57th St. after going over
the Manhattan Bridge, and then continue to Queens. The Queens section
is supposed to open in 2001.
Also, they should run something express on Broadway. They should run
the Q express like they did for a while from Canal to 57th St.,
running through the Montague St. tunnel with the N and R train. They
did this a couple years ago when work was being done on the north side
of the bridge. This was very useful, because the local takes a year to
get from 57th st. to Canal St. However, I like the Manhattan bridge
too; something should run over it. However, a poor job was done when
building it.
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Posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at 21:33:12:
In Reply to: [6]Unequaled posted by George Demas on June 05, 1997 at
15:05:08:
Our system is definitely unequaled in many ways, especially size. It
takes you where you need to go.
Philadelphia's system is horrible. The fare is rediculous (even more
rediculous than here), and there are only two lines, so it does not
take you where you need to go. They have cars from 1961 running on one
of their two main lines, and unlike the redbirds little maintenence
has been done on it. West of 15th St., the trolleys are much better.
They do make local stops, but you will not suffer from heat exaustion
on them. The trolleys are run efficiently in Philly, but there are not
enough of them, and the subways are in horrible condition. The Broad
st. line's trains were replaced recently, but those were by far the
oldest cars when they were running, in the mid 80s (This is what I
heard,I am too young to have seen them). There were more recent cars
in museums. We should be thankful that we do not have this here.
Washington has a nice, clean system, but it does not go where it is
needed in certain areas, and Boston's is decent, but not as good as
New York's
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Posted by John on June 06, 1997 at 22:14:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at
21:33:12:
I agree totally - the Philadelphia subway is USELESS!! They'd be
better off without it - it goes NOWHERE!! Not only is the fare higher,
but you have to pay and ADDITIONAL fare to transfer between lines!
That's a real bitch!
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Posted by John on June 06, 1997 at 22:15:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by M.J.S. on June 06, 1997 at
18:28:00:
My man, it's a shame that the redbirds are being replaced!
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Posted by John on June 06, 1997 at 22:22:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Redbird-R-62 posted by Wayne Johnson on June 06,
1997 at 16:57:59:
Gotta take a ride on that one! I assume the window still opens, right?
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Posted by lee on June 07, 1997 at 02:46:53:
In Reply to: [6]Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June 06,
1997 at 16:43:36:
There are some old, abandon tracks running next to the A train as it
leaves
Rockaway back to its trunk line. As I understand it, it goes all the
way up to Jamaica. Why not hook it into the J to provide service to
Central Queens?
What about utilizing the LIC spur of the LIRR from Jamaica and tying
in into the 7 or the G? It hardly ever gets used.
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Posted by andres perez on June 07, 1997 at 11:38:10:
In Reply to: [6]I Second The Motion (Was Re: Unequaled) posted by
Julio Perez on June 06, 1997 at 10:41:32:
i'm proud to be a NYorker too .i'm currently living in oklahoma and
its nothing compared to ny . i love ny & miss it too!
thank you & i;ll smeel you later!!!
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Posted by Dan Weissman on June 07, 1997 at 12:53:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by lee on June 07,
1997 at 02:46:53:
As a former Flushinite, I always enjoyed hte convenience of being able
to take the 7 train to Manhattan. There were several improvements that
I always wanted to see, though at, what?, 20 million a mile or
somesuch, irt would be rather hard (although with light rail having
become popular, some ideas might now be feasable).
1. The farthest the train went was Flushing, and there was talk when I
was growing up of am extension to Bayside and Little Neck. Not a bad
idea, though I realize the LIRR goes there.
2. If you want to get from the north side of Queens to the south side,
you have to take a bus. If you want to go to Brooklyn (Ridgewood or
south, I guess), you have to take a bus or go through Manhattan. did
the city just run out of money and have it planned?
3. I've always believed a feeder line ti LaGuardia would be practical,
especially for those who've tried getting around the airport at peak
times. Might do a lot for Flushing and Corona, too, especially if it
was the only airport with this type of service. I'll bet LRT would be
perfect for such a scheme.
4. I always felt something was missing when you had to take a ferry or
a car to Staten Island, especially with SIRT sitting on the other
side. I've read the history somewhere on this web page but hey, the
bad politics went down over 30 years ago. Get over it. The thing's
almost half built anyway, isn't it?
Of course, I'm looknig at this last one from a railfan's point if view
!
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 13:14:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June
06, 1997 at 19:14:01:
Running the Q express and them merging it in would create a
bottleneck, and it wouldn't work. The N DOES run express in Brooklyn
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 13:16:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Lou on June 06,
1997 at 19:17:44:
The 4 and 5 run express on Eastern Parkway, the A runs express on
Fulton Street and the J and Z run express on Broadway.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 13:19:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New R-142 prototype design posted by Lou on June
06, 1997 at 19:37:07:
The train would reverse into the previous station if the next was
unavailable.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 13:26:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Unequaled posted by John on June 06, 1997 at
22:15:22:
The best thing is to stop ordering those stupid R-142 cars and
retrofit the RedBirds with the electronic crap, transverse cabs,
plastic walls etc. The structure of the new cars is horrendous.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 07, 1997 at 13:35:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at
13:26:52:
You can't retrofit a Redbird with a transverse cab. Due to their door
arrangement, it's physically impossible.
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Posted by Mad.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 13:40:35:
In London the 6.5 mile Jubilee line extension with 11 modern tate of
the art stations would have taken 5 years to build when completed in
1998. In New York, with it's #1 subway, it takes 7 years to build a
stupid connection, several blocks long, with no stations and no
practical use other than making the residents of Greenpoint Suffer.
Our New R-142 cars, use less seating, and some other crap, while
London's new Jubilee cars, look more comfortable, safe, colorful and
Hi-tech than those damn new cars, the MTA doesn't work and needs to
have its name printed on a memorial, not a transit system. NEW YORK IS
NUMBER 1 AND WE NEED TO BRING OUR SUBWAY INTO A HI-TECH VERSION OF THE
1920s. If anybody doesn't agree with me, jump under an R-110.
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Posted by Fitz on June 07, 1997 at 14:29:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 06, 1997 at 19:58:38:
While policies vary from place to place, it's mainly a means of quick
reference for the tower operator. Within a given interlocking,all
switches and signals are numbered;e.g.signals are even numbered and
switches odd numbered.(Again,this is a matter of individual policy.)
In a case like this,#2 signal would be associated with and govern the
use of #1 switch and so on.
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 07, 1997 at 14:43:43:
In Reply to: [6]Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June 06,
1997 at 16:43:36:
This talk of new routing ideas got me thinking about what's going on
in NJ right now. They have started to build a light rail system in
Hudson County, NJ, connecting Bayonne with Jersey City and Hoboken.
From what I've heard, routing plans in Hoboken aren't firm yet, but it
seems to me that the light rail is going to miss many of the
residential areas of those three cities. In Bayonne it will use an
existing rail ROW rather than street running where existing bus lines
run now. In Jersey City it will run along Grand Street (which is on
the extreme edge of a residential area with no development to the
south of it except for parts of Liberty State Park), and in Hoboken
they want to run it on the West Side, which completely misses the
populated and quite busy east side-Washington Street corridor. Because
the routes are not yet firm I won't say I'm against the plan, but I
came up with some ideas myself.
The PATH system would be the core of the expansion. PATH is already at
capacity during rush hours so the first project would be to four-track
the tubes between World Trade Center and Journal Square. (I've read
that there were originally supposed to be four tracks from WTC, but
two were never built. I think you can see evidence of this idea at
Exchange Place, with the way the Hoboken tracks and Newark tracks
merge.) The extra tracks would eliminate the merge of trains from
Hoboken and trains from Newark at Exchange Place, and eliminate the
merge of 33rd St. and Newark trains east of Grove St. The stations at
Exchange Place and Grove Street would be made into four-track, two
island platform stations.
Once that is completed, I propose the following expansions of PATH
service.
1. 33rd Street Line - extend the line north as originally proposed but
instead of swinging east to Grand Central, swing west at 40th Street
(42nd and 41st already have trains under them, the Shuttle and #7
respectively) and continue west to the Javits Center.
Along with this, new stations would be built at 40th & 6th and 40th &
8th, as well as a new terminal at Javits, with transfers to the Subway
built at 40th & 6th (serving the B-D-F-Q-7) and at 40th & 8th (serving
the A-C-E-1-2-3-N-R-S-7 lines in the Times Square Complex).
2. Ease the transfer with the New York City Subway at 14th, 23rd,
33rd, 40th & 6th, 40th & 8th, and World Trade Center, by using the
same AFC card and perhaps a discount fare for transferring.
3. Extend the Hoboken line north underneath Washington Street to
Weehawken. This would serve the high-density east side of Hoboken
corridor. A new station could be built at the foot of Washington
Street with a passageway to the NJT terminal. Stations would be built
in Hoboken at 5th St, 10th St, 14th St, and at Lincoln Harbor,
Weehawken.
4. In North Bergen, Jersey City, and Bayonne, build a Kennedy
Boulevard subway in two halves, meeting at Journal Square. One branch
from Journal Square would head north to North Bergen, and another
south serving the south side of Jersey City, and Bayonne, running
along Kennedy Blvd.
5. From Bayonne, a tunnel could be built parallel to the Bayonne
Bridge into Staten Island, with two branches-- one looping up to the
North Shore line and terminating at St. George, and another "Cross
Island Subway" terminating at Tottenville SIRT station. With some
work, this new line from Staten Island to WTC via Bayonne and Journal
Square could be built to SIRT clearances and the SIRT lines could run
north from Tottenville via Cross Island Subway or St. George/North
Shore directly to World Trade Center.
6. And finally, a southward extension from Newark Penn Station serving
the Newark Airport Monorail station and Elizabeth, NJ downtown area.
The map below illustrates the new lines. In this plan, the proposed
light rail plan would be abandoned.
[INLINE]
Oh well. A fantasy to be sure, but those are my two
cents^H^H^H^H^Hdollars.
--Dave
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 15:13:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded rail posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at
17:19:40:
Welded rail, you know, I was asking if the ttc subway used
continuously
welded rail, meaning that all the rails are welded together so that it
is basically one rail. (most new rail systems weld the rails together,
in TO i know GO Transit does but I wasn't sure about the ttc)
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 15:17:30:
In Reply to: [5]DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Mad.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 13:40:35:
Hmmm, great. Well, first you have to remember that in North AMerica a
rail line usually takes 20 years to get by the stupid planning and
empty promises. (I've waited since the early eighties for a commuter
rail line in my area and it was just opened last year, and light rail
was supposed to be here by the early eighties and STILL isn't here).
Besides, if the cars were luxurious inside, by that I mean cloth seats
commonly found on other systems, it would be more expensive for the TA
because vandals would rip and slash the seats, draw on every flat
surface, etc. New York cars have to be durable.
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 15:29:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Route Ideas - PATH -- Warning LONG posted by David
Pirmann on June 07, 1997 at 14:43:43:
The Hudson LRT was probably the brainchild of "New Urbanists" trying
to increase the livibility of our cities. The LRT was probably chosen
in favour of a subway because it is a more visible investment in
transit infrastructure (Don't ask why that amounts to anything).
Anyway, New Urbanists are trying to pedestrianize the cities in which
they live and see Light Rail as the best alternative, seeing as it
seems to "co-exist" with
pedestrians, etc. I think it is a bit of bologne, but oh well. One
reason for the Light Rail line missing many residential areas could be
because they are trying to do what is being done in Portland, Ore; Use
light rail as a development catalyst and a land use tool. For
instance, in Portland the new Westside MAX LRT runs through a lot of
farmers fields (as well as a three mile tunnel with a station in the
middle, 260 ft below ground). This is giving the city of portland a
chance to zone transit-friendly developments adjacent to light rail
stations, (in theory) not only boosting ridership but promoting
pedestrianization.
The people behind the Hudson LRT might be trying to do what has been
done in Portland, and many other cities are doing it as well. (I'm
being bombarded with government promises about 2 lrt lines in my area,
being used for that specific purpose, promote more compact cities and
higher density/pedestrian orientated developments.
Now, to see how effective the Hudson LRT is, only time will tell.
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 15:32:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Brian on June 06, 1997 at
21:33:12:
Sometimes one line can get you where you want to go...
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 15:36:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 05, 1997 at 20:34:15:
It wasn't likely on the Toronto system, being 40 years younger than
parts of the NY line, besides, the line where that "boo boo" did
happen 2 years ago was (i think) the Spadina line of the tube) was
built in 78!! I suppose their trip arms would be in better condition
mechanically than the trip arms in ny...
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 15:36:38:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 05, 1997 at 20:34:15:
It wasn't likely on the Toronto system, being 40 years younger than
parts of the NY line, besides, the line where that "boo boo" happened
2 years ago was (i think) the Spadina line of the tube, which was
built in 78!! I suppose their trip arms would be in better condition
mechanically than the trip arms in ny...
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Posted by Brian on June 07, 1997 at 18:08:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by M.J.S. on June
07, 1997 at 13:14:12:
1. They should run the N express in Brooklyn on eeekends as well as
weekdays.
2. The N should run express in Manhattan.
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Posted by Charles on June 07, 1997 at 18:12:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Funny train assignments posted by John on June 03,
1997 at 23:18:28:
R68A's are now assigned to the "B" from the "N", this is easier to set
up the OPTO trains. Several trains of R68's were taken off the N and
transferred to the Q. In exchange the "N" got several sets of R40's
from the "B". In response to the R32 question. The R32 came off the
"N" from City Hall Lay up. It is usually seen on the weekend or
evening rush hour. Sometimes there is even an R46 put on the "N" in
the evening rush hour.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 18:50:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 15:17:30:
London's new Jubilee cars have Closed Circuit TV cameras to catch the
vandals, does the R-142 have that? is that a no I hear? I thought so.
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on June 07, 1997 at 19:42:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Route Ideas - PATH -- Warning LONG posted by David
Pirmann on June 07, 1997 at 14:43:43:
David Pirmann wrote:
"1. 33rd Street Line - extend the line north as originally proposed
but instead of swinging east to Grand Central, swing west at 40th
Street (42nd and 41st already have trains under them, the Shuttle and
#7 respectively) and continue west to the Javits Center.1. 33rd Street
Line - extend the line north as originally proposed but instead of
swinging east to Grand Central, swing west at 40th Street (42nd and
41st already have trains under them, the Shuttle and #7 respectively)
and continue west to the Javits Center."
A great idea, but the New York City subway needs access to Javits as
well. Maybe the seven train could be extended to Javits, with Path
merging in with the line, making for a joint PATH-NYCT station at the
Javits. With both systems using the same farecard, a station like this
would be beneficial to riders of both systems, and a transfer could be
built between PATH and NYC subway at Times Square. However, having the
two systems integrated like this would require the overcoming of many
political obstacles, but one can always hope.
JC
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Posted by Brian W on June 07, 1997 at 19:44:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded rail posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at
15:13:45:
I'm sorry, Nathan, but I have no idea if the TTC's rail is welded. If
GO Transit's rail is, then I'd imagine that the TTC's would be too,
since they were built around the same time.
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Posted by Zack on June 07, 1997 at 19:59:00:
Was there ever an R-10? dod it look like thr current redbirds? were
they ever paintede in the current redbird scheme? ad did it run on?
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Posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at 20:22:33:
In Reply to: [5]R-10 posted by Zack on June 07, 1997 at 19:59:00:
There was an R-10.
It was not painted like a redbird.
It ran on the A & C lines.
They're all gone now.
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Posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at 20:37:19:
In Reply to: [5]DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Mad.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 13:40:35:
As a fairly regular contributer to this forum, I usually ignore the
provocative comments and elect to respond to the thought provoking
ones. However, my friend, I'll make an exception in your pityful case.
First of all, I am not a defender of the MTA and differ with much it
does. Having said that, though, I must say for the record, that there
is no way you can compare the London Underground and the way it's run
(as a part time railroad) with the NY Subway Sytem. In the 1980s the
London Transport Commission was exporting technical assistance to the
NYC Transit System. Less than a dozen years later, it's all going the
other way. Finally, it's the politics and the environmentalists that
slow down subway construction, not the MTA. (not necessarilly a bad
thing).
Having said that, permit me a personal thought. What kind of asshole
are you to suggest that anyone that doesn't agree with your moronic
views should kill themselves. If you are serious - seek help. If not,
I personally do not appreciate your sense of humor...
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Posted by Jim on June 07, 1997 at 20:44:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at
13:26:52:
I suppose that you have a fix for the corrosion which is causing
seperation of the car bodies from the underframes. There are many
consultants and structural engineers who have said that these cars are
un-repairable but I'm sure the MTA would be interesten in your fix.
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Posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at 20:47:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Quigebo on June 07, 1997 at
13:35:05:
You may end up eating those words - sort of. The feasibility of
retrofitting the R-42s with transverse cabs, is being studied right
now.
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Posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at 20:52:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Nathan on
June 07, 1997 at 15:36:38:
I'm not familiar with the signal system in Toronto, having not been on
the system since 1981. It's safe to say that the signal system, albiet
40 years younger than NYs signals, did not do the job. By the way,
Toronto has just postponed plans to convert to a CBTC (communications
based train control) systen. They are waiting for the NYCT to set the
standards on the 'L' line before the turn of the century.
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Posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at 21:04:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Dan Weissman on
June 07, 1997 at 12:53:16:
As for a link to the SIRT or whatever they are calling it these days,
it was planned and almost done. Robert Moses (the master Builder of
NY) dangled the carrot under NYs nose to get the lower level of the
Verrazzanno Narrows Bridge built. The R-line from 95thSt & 4th ave,
then claaed the 4th Ave. LCL was to be extended over the bridge.
However, Moses hated mass transit and scuttled the plans as soon as
the lower deck was added to the plans.
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Posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at 21:19:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded rail posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at
15:13:45:
Welded rail cannot be continuous indefinitely for two reasons.
First - Expansion and contraction due to heat and cold would cause
buckling during temp. extremes.
Second - The longest that a segment of rail can be is equal to the
length of the signal block in which it is being used. In order for the
signals to detect the presence of trains, insulated joints (IJs) must
be placed at either end of a signal block.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 07, 1997 at 21:43:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at
20:47:24:
Wow! Really? But wouldn't the door arrangement limit the size of the
cab? And I thought the R42s were getting scrapped to make way for the
new R143s on the L and M.
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 22:09:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Steve on June 07, 1997 at 20:37:19:
OOh, my, aren't we grouchy today. Geez, it's a viewpoint.
GET A GRIP!!
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 22:13:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
M.J.S. on June 07, 1997 at 18:50:59:
Ok, that's it. I've had it. Video Camera's? Excuse me, but think: this
is
New York, not London. THe video cameras in the london system are
probably a vain attempt by the media to catch princess di in some
promiscuous outfit.
2)A Video camera can get a description, but if a vandal realizes he is
being caught on tape then he can just get off that train and get on
another, before a transit policeman can get there. What is the TA
going to do, put out "Wanted" signs?
Get real, the TA's best bet would be to use scratch resistant glass
and materials that can survive anti-graffity detergents.
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 22:23:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Steve on
June 07, 1997 at 20:52:09:
Ah yes, us canadians waiting for YOU to set the standards. Good god.
The signal did not do the job, yes. But the operator also happened to
run a red light, so both factors were at work. But the TTC is not
going to convert to CBTC because we are waiting for NYCT to set the
standard?
Uh uh! The problem is that Mike Harris's government is anti-transit
and cutting the ttc to the bone. I do not see why toronto would wait
for nyct
to set the standard, political "buy canadian" influence would probably
lead
to toronto and bombardier etc into developing a new signal system.
Waiting for an antiquated (though massive) (hint hint)subway system to
prove a new technology would be pointless. Anyway, i still think there
is nothing better (and safer) than SELTRAC moving block signaling,
found in Vancouver,
and the new subway lines in Ankara turkey and Kuala Lumpur, malaysia.
Of course, we know NYCT will set the standard, well, purchase the
equipment from non american company and claim the fame for
themselves...
Typical.
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Posted by Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 22:26:54:
In Reply to: [5]Welded Rail - Facts posted by Steve on June 07, 1997
at 21:19:06:
Ok. What if the system uses moving-block signalling? huh? Second of
all,
welded rail in an extremely temperate area (ie: Pacific Northwest)
would not buckle and kink with temperature changes, it is too
temperate!
Phhhhhhhhbbbbbb. Mr factual!
Hmph!
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Posted by John on June 08, 1997 at 00:27:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 22:13:48:
How's this for thought: I don't give a shit what goes on in London. I
never did, and I never will. Nothing against London. It's just that I
live in NEW YORK CITY, not LONDON. I take the NEW YORK CITY SUBWAY to
work, not the LONDON UNDERGROUND. So it takes 5 years to build a 7
mile line in London and 7 years to build a 5 block connection in New
York. So London's subway cars are more comfortable than New York's and
they have cameras. Big shit. What am I supposed to do? Jump on the
roof of a subway train and do the Macarena?
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Posted by Michael Berson on June 08, 1997 at 00:33:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Funny train assignments posted by John on June 04,
1997 at 16:41:28:
If you look at the where the old "blue band" used to be, aren't the
R-44's grey, while the R-46's are silver??
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 08, 1997 at 00:39:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by Steve on June 07, 1997 at 20:22:33:
See [7]R10 Page.
They were painted in a variety of colors, including two-tone grey with
orange stripe, sky blue and off-white (based on the World's Fair
scheme), and some of them were even in a bright red but I don't know
how many cars were like this. Late in life they were painted in a dark
navy blue.
I have some good R-10 slides that I hope to get on the site next week.
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Posted by John on June 08, 1997 at 00:48:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Jim on June 07, 1997 at
20:44:51:
Corrosion causing the carbodies to separate from the undercarriage?
Sorry, but I've never heard that before. Or is this another wild story
(remember the Queensboro Bridge?). Don't take the offensive, though -
I don't mean to be nasty.
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Posted by Michael Adler on June 08, 1997 at 01:48:20:
Hi all,
Why don't you list all routes that you think MTA should run, start
from stratch if you want to :-)
This should be fun
Michael Adler
Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 02:40:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by lee on June 07,
1997 at 02:46:53:
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 02:45:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by lee on June 07,
1997 at 02:46:53:
The LIC branch of the LIRR is being used quite heavily lately. Most,
if not all of the trains that went to & from Hunters Point are now
going out of LIC.
The Old Rockaway Branch of the LIRR runs from Forest Hills to Liberty
Junction on the A line. South of that, the ROW was purchased by the
NYCT in the 50s. There have been dozens of plans for that stretch of
ROW but no one has been able to show that any of the plans would have
enough utility to make it worth building.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 02:49:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by John on June 08, 1997 at
00:48:17:
Sorry but that happens to be a fact. Next time you see a Redbird, look
at the seam which is at the same level as the door bottoms. THATS
CORROSSION.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 02:53:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Quigebo on June 07, 1997 at
21:43:27:
Right now it's only being looked at. If (when) OPTO comes to the M
line, the cars will need transverse cabs. There is no practical way to
use R-44s, R-46s, R-68s or R-68As on the M line. Of course It'll mean
that passengers will only be able to walk between. the married cars.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 02:55:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Unequaled posted by Quigebo on June 07, 1997 at
21:43:27:
Right now it's only being looked at. If (when) OPTO comes to the M
line, the cars will need transverse cabs. There is no practical way to
use R-44s, R-46s, R-68s or R-68As on the M line. Of course It'll mean
that passengers will only be able to walk between. the married cars.
PS: I wouldn't bet that the 42s will go too soon. Watch the R-40S
though.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 02:58:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Nathan on June 07,
1997 at 22:26:54:
Okay - the railroad industry agrees with you. Welded rail will, from
this day hence, be used ONLY in temperate areas.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 03:03:19:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Nathan on
June 07, 1997 at 22:23:30:
You're letting your nationalistic pride blurr your vision. Perhaps
before you get too far from the facts you should read the article in
the current issue of
"Progressive Railroading". TTC backed out of their plans for a demo of
CBTC at the 11th hour.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 03:05:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Funny train assignments posted by Michael Berson
on June 08, 1997 at 00:33:36:
Yes. When the blue stripe was removed, the R-44s had significant
corrossion under the paint where-as the R-46s did not. The R-44s could
not be satisfactorily restored, hence the paint.
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Posted by Pat Villani on June 08, 1997 at 06:14:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by David Pirmann on June 08, 1997 at
00:39:29:
Whoa! What's the story behind 3192!
I've always had a soft spot for the R10 because I rode it for years
through high school and freshman year of college. I thought I knew
everything about them -- until I looked at your R10 page.
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Posted by Fitz on June 08, 1997 at 10:31:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Are there any remaining open restrooms? posted by
John on June 05, 1997 at 16:35:29:
While I sympathize with the general feeling of aggravation concerning
the lack of restrooms,it should be remembered that many of them HAD to
be closed due to the vandalism and other activities that took place in
them.
Also, as one whose work frequently requires him to get between cars
and handle the equipment there,I can emphatically say that I don't
appreciate "suprises" Such as mystery liquids,fecal matter and used
hypodermic needles.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 11:48:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by David Pirmann on June 08, 1997 at
00:39:29:
I must admit that I had never seen car 3192 with the R-42 bonnet
before. I didn't even know it existed, however, I am curious to find
out what ever became of it. I'll try to check ASAP.
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SUBJECT>Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 11:52:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 22:09:50:
No, It most definitely is not a viewpoint. Perferring the redbirds
over the r-142s is a viewpoint. Telling people who don't agree with
your viewpoint to kill themself it's not a viewpoint, it's indicates
that mental health is passing the writer by.
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Posted by Brian on June 08, 1997 at 11:58:03:
In Reply to: [6]Create your subway routes! posted by Michael Adler on
June 08, 1997 at 01:48:20:
Here are my ideal routes (assuming the Manhattan Bridge is open)
1,2,3,4,5,6 - Run more 5 trains, but otherwise keep the same.
A,T - Trains running to Lefferts should be renamed the T. On weekends,
the T would run local in Brooklyn, and the A would run express.
B-Would change completely. It would run on the Sea Beach line, express
from 59th to Pacific. It would run over the Manhattan Bridge to
Broadway. It would run express to 57th St. Then it would run on the N
track to Queensboro Plaza. Then it would run to Flushing, and run
express in the peak direction, replacing the diamond 7.
C-Stay the same
D-Run express in Broooklyn, otherwise stay the same.
E-Stay the same
F-In Brooklyn, run express from Church to Bergen St. It would run
express in the peak direction during rush hours from Kings Highway.
G-Would be extended to Church Av., and would be extended to Kings
Highway during rush hours
J- Would run the same in Brooklyn, in Manhattan, it would change over
to the 6th Av. line. It would run express on 6th Av., and local on
Central Park West to 168th on weekdays, and to Queensbridge on
weekends.
L-stay the same
N-stay the same, but run on West End Line in Brooklyn.
Q-Run local in Brooklyn to Coney Island. It would run over the Bridge,
and express on Broadway to Queensbridge.
R-stay the same
Shuttles-stay the same
7-would run local at all times, because of the B.
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Posted by John on June 08, 1997 at 12:08:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Pat Villani on June 08, 1997 at
06:14:34:
The R-10 with the R-42 front was experimented in 1978, but nothing
came of it. The Transit Authority also took in R-16 and gave it a new
look in 1979, but that never materialized either. I don't know if the
TA did that kind of thing to any other cars.
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 12:53:32:
Same prizes as Quiz #1. In quiz #1, six people scored at 70% or better
and were awarded the 90th Anniversary Patch. This quiz will have some
questions which will be of a more technical nature but the rules are
the same. Please send your answers to me via the Hyper-Text link. DO
NOT POST YOUR ANSWERS. I have at least ten patches for winners. For
those of you who have already gotten the Anniversary patch, I have an
alternate.
I will post the correct answers on Friday the 13th.
GOOD LUCK
10 points for each question. The multi-part questions will be scored
accordingly.
1) What was the heaviest subway car ever used on the Subway system ?
Hint - it ran on the BMT.
2) What is so unusual about car #3348?
3) Which car class was the first to be delivered with a workable AC
System
Hint: July 1967
4) What was the first car with Fluorescent lighting.
5) Which 2 car classes had P-Wire brake controls?
6) Traction Motors - 6 parts
A) How many traction motors are there per car (R-10 through R-68A)
B) Horsepower of traction Motors on the IRT_________
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Posted by Jack on June 08, 1997 at 14:53:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Brian on June
08, 1997 at 11:58:03:
A stays the same
V runs local to lefferts blv.
B runs to 21st quennsbridge via 6th
C the same
D the same
E the same
F the same
G runs to Church ave and at least Queens Plaza at all times, extended
late at night to 179th Street
J the Same
L the Same
M the same
N the same
Q runs to 21st Queensbridge via B'Way all times
R the same
Shuttles the same
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Posted by lee on June 08, 1997 at 15:05:29:
In Reply to: [6]Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June 06,
1997 at 16:43:36:
Seems to me we could make efficient use of items already available.
Hooking the 63 St. Line into the Queens Blvd. lines will only create
more
crowding and confusion, especially during rush hour, unless the
station is
expanded to six tracks instead of four.
The 63rd St. Line should be fed into the G at 23 Ely Avenue. Existing
track from the LIRR at LIC should be used to create a "byway" to
central queens for the new line. In essense, the line starts in
Manhattan (6th or B'Way), loops around to run on the G line at 23rd
Ely and 21st Van Alst, the emerges to the new tracks to serve central
Queens. People could also transfer to Vernon Jackson on the 7 line
here. It would take a long time to complete, but it would boost the
economic viability of the neighborhoods it serves in Queens.
Also, can we please extend the 63rd st. Line to meet the station at
Columbus Circle?
How about using the Second Avenue line for something?
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Posted by lee on June 08, 1997 at 15:05:39:
In Reply to: [6]Some Subway Route ideas posted by Brian on June 06,
1997 at 16:43:36:
Seems to me we could make efficient use of items already available.
Hooking the 63 St. Line into the Queens Blvd. lines will only create
more
crowding and confusion, especially during rush hour, unless the
station is
expanded to six tracks instead of four.
The 63rd St. Line should be fed into the G at 23 Ely Avenue. Existing
track from the LIRR at LIC should be used to create a "byway" to
central queens for the new line. In essense, the line starts in
Manhattan (6th or B'Way), loops around to run on the G line at 23rd
Ely and 21st Van Alst, the emerges to the new tracks to serve central
Queens. People could also transfer to Vernon Jackson on the 7 line
here. It would take a long time to complete, but it would boost the
economic viability of the neighborhoods it serves in Queens.
Also, can we please extend the 63rd st. Line to meet the station at
Columbus Circle?
How about using the Second Avenue line for something?
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on June 08, 1997 at 15:31:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by lee on June 08,
1997 at 15:05:29:
> How about using the Second Avenue line for something?
You say that like the line exists :-) (Only about 10-15 blocks were
built)
I agree it should be built, and in fact it's still on the "drawing
board". There was some news earlier this year about re-doing the
feasability and impact studies of building this line. Presumably it
would (should?) be built as a deep tunnel similar to London tube lines
to lessen the surface impact of construction.
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Posted by Nathan on June 08, 1997 at 16:50:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Steve on June 08,
1997 at 02:58:29:
Ok. Here you have it. Now, continuously welded rail should be possible
if the rails are held in place with spring type clips, the rail can
expand
and contract yet it is still held in place. To the signal argument,
block signals would be irrelevant if the system uses moving block
signalling (ie SELTRAC). Therefore, insulated gaps in the rails at the
end of each block would not be required. (i know of three cities that
use moving block signalling on large scale, Vancouver, Kuala Lumpur,
and Ankara Turkey).
Anyway, here is a description (qoute T2000 British Columbia) of the
rails
the system in place there uses.
"RUNNING RAILS: Standard gauge 115lb CONTINUOUSLY WELDED rail"
PHHhhBBBB!
I
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SUBJECT>Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway)
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Posted by Quigebo on June 08, 1997 at 18:55:14:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Dave Pirmann on
June 08, 1997 at 15:31:25:
I most defiately believe the 2nd Av Line should be built. Building it
in deep-bore tunnels is definately a good idea. Saves the expense of
gutting then rebuilding 2nd. And how about this: Build it as a DBOM
(Design-Build-Operate-Maintain) contract like the Tren Urbano in San
Juan and the Hudson-Bergen LRT. And to save even more, why not tie the
2nd Av Subway into the Nassau St Loop?
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 20:13:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by John on June 08, 1997 at 12:08:06:
I do remember seeing the R-16 out at 207th Street Yard in the early
80s.
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Posted by Nathan on June 08, 1997 at 21:09:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New R-142 prototype design posted by M.J.S. on
June 07, 1997 at 13:19:42:
Would the power be sufficient?
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 23:04:17:
In Reply to: [5]Create your subway routes! posted by Michael Adler on
June 08, 1997 at 01:48:20:
Here's one: How about changing the northern terminals of the B and the
C.
Run the B to Bedford Park during rush hours and 145th Street on
off-hours.
Then run the C to 168th Street during the week like the B is currently
run. This way the B is consistantly a 6th Ave local and the C is
consistantly an 8th Ave. local. Currently the B becomes an 8th Ave
Local north of 125th Street and a 6th Ave Local south of 59th St. The
opposite is true of the C line...
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Posted by Jim on June 08, 1997 at 23:06:31:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Jack on June
08, 1997 at 14:53:25:
And what will run local north of 59th Street to 168th St?????
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 23:18:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by lee on June 08,
1997 at 15:05:39:
A few problems with your plan:
First, the G does not run to 23rd & Ely, it goes to Court Square.
Second, that connection would create more congestion at Queens Plaza.
The current plan of connecting 63rd Street to the Queens Blvd. line
North (East) of Queens Plaza will not.
Third, since the cut to 63rd St. will come up between the express and
local tracks, routing will be more flexible. With your plan, all 63rd
street trains will have to use the local tracks to an from the 36 St.
station.
Finally, the TA cannot use the LIRR trackage because of federal
regulations (without completely revamping its operating rules) and the
LIRR cannot give up that branch since it was an integral part of the
deal in which the LIRR sold off its freight operation...
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Posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 23:33:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Nathan on June 08,
1997 at 16:50:58:
I must admit that the three cities you cite are major transportation
meccas, however, I am not convinced. What length do you consider rail
continuously welded? 1000', 5000 ', 10000' ?
Now, lets take the NY metro area for an example where the temperature
extremes from summer to winter might result in a temperature change of
110 degrees farenheit. Now I'm not quite sure what the coefficient of
expansion of (lets say) code 128 rail is but lets for argument say
that it's 1/64 of an inch per foot (given dt=110). This expansion
would result in a 6 1/2 foot change in rail length for every 5000 feet
of rail. You better hope that both rails buckle in the same direction
or you'll end up with spread rails or worse. Keep your rerailing irons
handy.
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Posted by Nathan on June 09, 1997 at 01:45:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Steve on June 08,
1997 at 23:33:45:
Was that a hint of sarcasm I detected in your voice? Hmmm,
Transportation meccas? Sarcasm? Ok, now listen here. If you were being
sarcastic, I will say this. Are you saying that despite the fact that
these new systems (one's been operating for ten years, the others are
under construction) are
perhaps inferior? Well well well. New York's system is large, which is
why it is so interesting, it has history. But bigger is not always
better. Well, if NYC subway was better maintained, yes. First of all,
NYC is large, yet it is not a world class system. Why? London, Paris,
and to a lesser extent, Washington DC are, because the subway is
enjoyable. New York's tube is filthy, and yet you scowl at lines that
are more technologically advanced. Back to the trip-arm argument and
the TTC Spadina subway crash,
saying a similar accident is unlikely on NYC's system is ignorant, how
many trip arms do you think have rusted shut over the years? I knew
quite a few people who work at the ttc, and let me say they do a
damned good job at maintaining the tracks, far better than most of the
systems I've been on.
But no, an accident that would be the result of poor maintenance would
never happen on NYC's subway, noooooo!! Track fires NEVER happen on
NYC.
Great, you have me bashing the NYC Subway. I like the New York tube,
just
i think that maybe you should keep your "All high and mighty" opinions
to yourself.
Back to the trip arm argument,
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Posted by lee on June 09, 1997 at 04:30:54:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Steve on June
08, 1997 at 23:18:13:
Connecting the subway north of Queens Plaza won't increase ridership
at all. In fact, many prefer to go through Queens Plaza because of the
flexibility it affords them.
Regarding the LIRR spur, I think that, like the plan that was in place
a few years ago, the MTA should build trackage along the route. The
only problem is that the LIRR route goes through some desolate
neighborhoods. Also, how often would Penny Bridge be utilized? Can it
be joined to the M line near Metropolitan?
Two things are apparent here. Central Queens needs to be taken care
of, not Bayside or Horace Harding where the 7 was going to be extended
to in the 70's, and the G train is somewhat usless as it is. A double
-edged sword. People won't ride it because the service is awful, and
the service is cut because there's no ridership.
Also, the 7 train needs to be extended beyond Times Square, as does
the L past 8th Avenue.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on June 09, 1997 at 07:34:42:
In Reply to: [6]R-10 posted by Zack on June 07, 1997 at 19:59:00:
The R-10 was the first post war car created by the then Board of
Transportation. Four hundred units, built by American Car and Foundry
(ACF) were put into service on the "A" route, where, except for a
short time in the late fifties, they remained until near retirement
when they also ran on the "C" and "G" lines. They are significant
historically, since they were the first cars equipped with the "SMEE"
(Straight air Motor-Emergency Electric) brake schedule which blended
dynamic braking with straight air brakes. All other R types up to the
R-44 used this brake schedule. When R-7A 1575 was involved in an
accident, the car was rebuilt by ACF as the prototype R-10 body, which
used welded construction as opposed to the hundreds of rivets on the
prewar cars. 1575 did retain the R-7A mechanicals however, and could
only run with it's own kind (R1-9's). When I was young, I remember
being confused as to how a R-10 could run with R-9's! Of course, I
didn't know the history then. You can see 1575 which reposes at the
Transit Museum in Brooklyn. Also there is an R-12/14 which is the IRT
(51') version of the 60' R-10. Like Mr. Villani, I too rode the R-10's
back and forth to high school, however I preferred the R-9's which ran
on the "A" line to the Rockaways. Many times I bypassed a train of
R-10's from Lefferts Blvd. so as to be able to ride a train of R-9's
from Far Rockaway or Rockaway Park!
If you can, pick up a copy of "New York City Subway Cars" by Greller
which shows the R-10's in all of their varied color schemes.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on June 09, 1997 at 07:41:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by David Pirmann on June 08, 1997 at
00:39:29:
I am familiar with the delivery (two tone gray with orange stripes),
the early sixties red, and the pseudo Worlds Fair scheme of turquoise
and ivory. I am even aware of the infamous "Pizza" scheme that adorned
3081! I am NOT AWARE of a navy blue scheme. I remember the cars
getting the Rehab GREEN scheme with silver roofs and black sign
bonnets and anticlimbers just before retirement. When did they wear
NAVY BLUE?
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 09, 1997 at 09:46:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 11:48:36:
According to Greller's NYC Subway Cars - R-10 #3192 was scrapped. I
also have a vague memory of #3192 being used for another experiment -
Is this the car the TA extended to 75 feet by adding in a 15ft. in the
late 1960's?
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 09, 1997 at 10:48:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Nathan on June 09,
1997 at 01:45:02:
Somewhere amid the flame throwers, the point of welded rail has been
lost. It matters little how long the sections are, but .25 mile seems
to be common areound Boston and NYC. Both those systems need insulated
joints for signal purposes so actual rail length is limited to block
length. Where blocks are longer in Boston an expansion joint is used
which has two pieces of rail planed so that they can slide against
each other, creating a smooth ride without any clickity-clack and
reducing wear and tear in the equipment.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on June 09, 1997 at 11:17:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Frank Gatazka on June 09, 1997 at
07:34:42:
I actually remember riding an R-10 (in summer, no
less) on the 'D' and also along Queens Blvd. when R-46 problems caused
radical service changes and fleet re-assignments. Yuck!
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 09, 1997 at 11:37:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Unequaled posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at
02:55:02:
Looking at the photos, the only impediment to a full width cab on the
redbirds and R-32, 38, 40M, and 42 series is a door pocket which
extends to the corner post. To adapt a full width cab it would be
necessary to extend the cab wall across to the door opening and then
forward to the door post. A window opening would need to be cut in
both walls of the door pocket (R1-9 series cars were built like this)
with the inner window interlocked to prevent that door leaf from
opening. The outer window could be a drop sash which would be easy to
install, the inner one could swing against the cab wall. Whether this
is worth the expense to do is another question. I don't think more
than 6 inches of door opening would be lost, though the total capacity
would drop by 4-6 per car modified in a train.
Here in Boston the 01400 series cars were built with cab doors which
were hinged against the body side of the cab wall and could form
either a full width cab or a small cab. In practice the small cab was
never used, despite the potential to add capacity for several more
passengers. There was even a forward facing seat for two on the left
side. This type of design could make it possible to allow passengers
to pass between cars - a cherished New York tradition.
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on June 09, 1997 at 13:36:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Quigebo on June 08, 1997 at 18:55:14:
Quigebo wrote about the second ave subway:
"Build it as a DBOM (Design-Build-Operate-Maintain) contract like the
Tren Urbano in San Juan and the Hudson-Bergen LRT."
This would be nice, but then the TA would be competing with another
operatin company for East side subway riders. It wouldn't happen, why
build a subway line and not have it operate as part of our subway?
JC
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Posted by Quigebo on June 09, 1997 at 14:19:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Joshua Caesar on June 09, 1997 at 13:36:11:
Not exactly! For example, the Hudson Bergen LRT is going to be a New
Jersey Transit line, even though the line will be built by
Twenty-First Century Rail Corp., which is actually a consortium of
five companies. However, NJT has set the guidelines for how the new
light rail line will be built. For the 2nd Av Subway, it would be done
the same way. The TA would set the guidelines for how the line is
built, and the contractor builds the line and the rolling stock. They
also operate and maintain the line for a certain number of years. It's
all under one contract. And much of the cost is shifted to the private
sector. The TA will have to lay out some money, of course, but it
would be considerably lower than what it would have to lay out if the
2nd Av Subway were to be built the traditional way.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 09, 1997 at 14:24:29:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Dave Pirmann on
June 08, 1997 at 15:31:25:
From what source did you hear about this news on the 2nd Av Subway? Do
they have a Website? Because it sounds like very good news to me.
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Posted by Lou on June 09, 1997 at 17:36:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Joshua Caesar on June 09, 1997 at 13:36:11:
>>would be competing with another operatin company What about the
three (?) other bus company that run in the city??
Why wouldn't that be the same as this idea??
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 09, 1997 at 18:07:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by Frank Gatazka on June 09, 1997 at
07:41:14:
Take a look at
[7]this picture which was taken in 1993. That might be a dark green
but it looks blue to me. It shows car 3184 in Coney Island Yard.
--Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 09, 1997 at 18:15:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Quigebo on June
09, 1997 at 14:24:29:
There were articles about it in all the major NY papers and on the NYC
news channels back in the early part of the year. Sorry, don't have
any concrete references and of course there's no web site. What do you
think this is, London? :)
--Dave
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Posted by Nathan on June 09, 1997 at 19:03:53:
Ok, what are everyones views on light rail here? Would even the most
die-hard subway connoisseur (sp?) bring themselves to riding light
rail?
Just wondering, I was at Tri-Met's homepage (Portland transit) and I
was just wondering. Light Rail seems to be going up everywhere...
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Posted by Steve on June 09, 1997 at 20:13:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Wayne Johnson on June 09, 1997 at
09:46:43:
According to the TA book, "Revenue and Non-Revenue Car Drawings",
the two stretch cars, designated as XC375 and XC875 were built from
scrap cars 7509 and 5781. There is no mention in the book of car #3192
having been 'stretched'. However, the book is by no means complete.
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Posted by ~airplane on June 09, 1997 at 20:24:37:
In Reply to: [6]Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Nathan on June 09,
1997 at 19:03:53:
I have no objections to light rail, as long as it isn't run on heavily
used roads like 42nd St in Manhattan. Seems to me that trolley cars
and other things that ran on rails down the middle of the street were
one reason why the subway was built in the first place. A light rail
line on 42nd St. would just add to traffic.
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Posted by Steve on June 09, 1997 at 20:27:21:
I got a firsthand look at the LIRR track rehab project going on
between Jamaica & Sunnyside Yard. They are using one of the most
amazing pieces of equipment I have ever seen on a railroad. The train
is pulled by a diesel and consists of about 15 flat cars loaded with
concrete ties, then comes this piece of equipment. From what I saw, it
works like this:
The LIRR layed out miles of welded rail just to the outside of the
existing trackage: The train rides over the track to be replaced. The
first truck rides over the old track. Behaid the first truck, the old
rail is picked from the ties and then the ties are removed. The new
concrete ties are dropped and the new rail is 'threaded' onto the new
concrete ties and clipped in place. The second truck rides over the
new track. The segment done over the weekend looks absolutely first
class, absolutely straight and level.
The equipment is leased from the CN railroad and is amazing. I hope to
get some pictures this weekend.
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Posted by Nathan on June 09, 1997 at 20:41:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by ~airplane on
June 09, 1997 at 20:24:37:
Yeah, I know. One question, does the new Hudson Light Rail line run in
a reserved median or city streets? I think the median idea is the
best, that way traffic doesn't interfere with the lines.
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Posted by Nathan on June 09, 1997 at 20:43:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
John on June 08, 1997 at 00:27:11:
Providing you don't crush the car in the process, yes.
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Posted by Brian on June 09, 1997 at 20:50:15:
Today, I was riding the N from 14th to 23rd. However, the uptown N was
running express. There were no signs up either. I had to go to 34th
and get the F (I needed to go to 6th Ave). Does anyone know why this
happened?
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Posted by BRYAN LAYNE on June 09, 1997 at 21:23:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Nathan on June
09, 1997 at 20:41:27:
I am not positive about this,but I'm pretty sure that they were
planning on putting the LRT line on the right or left side of the
strret with a concrete "median" seperating the streetcar line with the
rest of 42nd Street.
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Posted by John on June 09, 1997 at 21:33:24:
In Reply to: [5]N running express posted by Brian on June 09, 1997 at
20:50:15:
This might have been due to track work. Are you sure you didn't see
any signs posted in the station or anything?
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POSTER>BRYAN LAYNE
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Posted by BRYAN LAYNE on June 09, 1997 at 21:36:15:
In Reply to: [6]Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Nathan on June 09,
1997 at 19:03:53:
I think light rail is a good idea,but not when it is used in such
instences like Dallas were it is basically being used as a cheeper
form of commuter rail with full sized trains.I think light rail should
be used the way its predicesors,the streetcars were and still are in
some cities like Boston & S.F..They should be street running(like in
S.F.)and they should be used in place of the heaviest traveled bus
routes.Overall,I think light rail is an excelent idea but only if its
used as a part of a transit network,not the
Suburb-Downtown-Suburb,park and ride lot,drop off kinda deals there
using them for in many cities now.If you asked me if Light rail will
ever be as used and common as the Streetcars were and eventually
replace buses I'd have to say no way.America never should have gottin
rid of its streetcars and interurban systems in the first place.I
guess we just werent thinking about the future,but in my opinion we
can recreate the streetcars in the form of modern LRV systems.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 09, 1997 at 21:39:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Brian on June
08, 1997 at 11:58:03:
There's one problem:
N trains cannot run on the 7 becuase the IRT cars are narrower and
shorter and have a stop handle on another side. When attatched to a
work car in the front IRT (notably 7) cars can run on IND/BMT lines
for service only, the consists are too short and the gap is too big.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 09, 1997 at 21:50:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Quigebo on June 08, 1997 at 18:55:14:
When was Tren Urbano opened? when I was in San Juan in 1994 the only
public transport in SJ was the free tour bus downtown and the
Metropolitan Bus Authority (Autoridad Metropolitana de Autobuses).
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 09, 1997 at 22:15:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Nathan on June
09, 1997 at 20:41:27:
The HBLR is a combination of PRW and street running. Mostly PRW in
Bayonne from what I understand, and street running thru Jersey City to
Hoboken.
--Dave
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Posted by Quigebo on June 09, 1997 at 22:18:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by BRYAN LAYNE on
June 09, 1997 at 21:23:17:
Hey, how about this for LRT in the Big Apple: Why not run a West Side
light rail line on Riverside Drive and West Street? Might bring some
much-needed development to that area. Have the L and the 7 connect
with it as well as the 7th Av Subway at 72nd St. Or if not West St,
then maybe run it down 10th or 11th Av. Would certaily be cheaper than
the 10th Av Subway that was proposed decades ago. A lot nicer than
riding a smelly diesel bus.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 09, 1997 at 22:23:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
M.J.S. on June 09, 1997 at 21:50:38:
It's not. It's currently under construction. Siemens Transportation
Systems won the contract to build it and provide its rolling stock.
Siemens hopes to have it in service by 2001.
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on June 09, 1997 at 22:28:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Nathan on June
09, 1997 at 20:41:27:
If you're interested in the Hudson-Bergen LRT , I recently created a
layout based on it for the bahn program ( you can download the
Bahn 3.40 program and my HBLRT layout in the software section ,
look at the index ). I don't think its 100 percent accurate , but ,
it should give you a good overview of the system and the areas it will
serve.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 09, 1997 at 22:38:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by Frank Gatazka on June 09, 1997 at
07:34:42:
My earliest memories of the R10 were when they still had the turquoise
and off-white scheme on the A train. The only other cars that ran on
the A train at the time were the R42's (the R1-9's were scattered on a
lot of other lines by then). Because of their "rougher" (compared to
the round-roofed, more "refined" cars like the R30) and less shiny
(compared to the R32, 38, etc.) exterior and interior, they really
came to symbolize for me the speed and dominance of the A train over
the shorter, slower locals that ran next to them. Because of their
age, I was never to crazy about them, but when they went express,
their clickety-clack was the best!
I was always mystified why they were retired so soon after their
overhaul. Seemed like a waste.
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Posted by Steve on June 09, 1997 at 23:43:36:
In Reply to: [5]N running express posted by Brian on June 09, 1997 at
20:50:15:
At what time did this happen? There were several service interruptions
on the N line Monday. Perhaps your train was running around a stalled
one.
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Posted by Steve on June 09, 1997 at 23:47:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by M.J.S. on
June 09, 1997 at 21:39:02:
#7 cars are the only IRT cars which can run on the BMT/IND without
restriction. The #7 line is an oddity in that it has IRT equipment but
has BMT supervision and signals. The trip cocks on the #7 line are on
the side opposite the Train Operator whereas the rest of the IRT cars
have the trip cock on the train operator side.
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Posted by Steve on June 10, 1997 at 00:05:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Nathan on June 09,
1997 at 01:45:02:
The sarcasm you detected is because I feel that comparing a 90+ year
old system to a state of the art system, and one of a much smaller
scale, is not a valid comparrison. Now getting back to the discussin
of trip arms and what not:
I never suggested that the NYCT system is foolproof. Heaven knows that
there have been several mishaps in the last 15 years to dispel that
notion. Though most of the blame is laid to human error, there is a
degree of mechanical failure in every instance. In some cases it has
to do with signal system designs from the 30s and 40s managing trains
which are now faster and running closer together. On rare occassions,
it might be due to a hardware failure. The bottom line is that the
NYCT runs over 30 million revenue miles per month with very few
incidents and antiquated signals not withstanding, that's a pretty
damn good record.
Now as to my "High and Mighty Opinions", perhaps you are correct and I
might occassionally 'pontificate' for want of a better word. I try not
to get involved in speculative discussions but after more than 2
decades in the industry, I feel that I have some justification in
correcting mis-statements and mis-representations and I don't think
that qualifies as High & Mighty opinions. But any time you feel I've
overstepped, feel free to let me know.
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Posted by Max on June 10, 1997 at 03:02:37:
1) Does anyone know where the walled-off tracks at the second ave
station on the Culver Line goes? Can it be used for express service?
2) With Chelsea exploding, doesn't it make sense to activate the
overhead railroad line that is abandon there? The question is though,
where would it connect?
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on June 10, 1997 at 07:33:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by David Pirmann on June 09, 1997 at
18:07:48:
Thanks for the nice photo! This is clearly the "Rehab" GREEN scheme,
albeit severely weathered and chalked. This brings up an important
point about color schemes, particularly to those, like myself who
model the subways. The color is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder!
I recall once being at the Brooklyn Transit Museum when two gentleman
were walking up the stairs from the lower (trackside) level where the
restored subway cars are displayed. Their conversation revolved around
the fact that "...those cars were NEVER painted those colors! They
were always BLACK!". To these men, the cars appeared black in service,
which was not far from the truth in the days when the TA did not wash
the exteriors of the cars. As Joe Frank of model El fame says, "all
subway cars take on the protective color of ground burrowing
animals!". I think that someone in these postings said it best. That
is, nothing will create more "chatter" than issues regarding color
schemes! By the way, I think we both forgot the MTA scheme of platinum
mist and blue that the R-10's and other R types wore in the seventies.
Thanks again for sharing the pix.
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Posted by Dan on June 10, 1997 at 08:55:50:
In Reply to: [5]New Routes n' stuff posted by Max on June 10, 1997 at
03:02:37:
1) The walled-off tracks once extended east along Houston Street for a
bit.
They were only used for layups, but were probably built for an
expansion
that never took place.
2)The west side tracks are cut off by a new building down around West
11 Street. You are talking hundreds of millions of $$ to do anything
in Manhattan
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Posted by Dan on June 10, 1997 at 09:17:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by Dan Weissman on
June 07, 1997 at 12:53:16:
The tunnel work from Brooklyn was started in the 1920s(?), but nothing
of substance was constructed. The Staten Island tunnel shaft was
filled in with dirt from the Verazzano bridge construction. How
appropriate.
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Posted by Dan on June 10, 1997 at 09:31:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Route Ideas - PATH -- Warning LONG posted by David
Pirmann on June 07, 1997 at 14:43:43:
The SIR north shore tracks are going to be re-furbished for freight
use, the work is supposedly starting later this year. The Arthur Kill
lift-bridge is also going to be re-furbished, along with the the
tracks to Cranford, NJ.
As for passenger service, it was abandoned by the B&O RR in 1953. A
lot of
elected officials hope for a light-rail type service from St. George
to Arlington in the distant future.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on June 10, 1997 at 09:46:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Steve on June 09, 1997 at 20:13:01:
I should have explained myself thoroughly last time. I mean to imply
that Greller's book mentioned anything about the test stretch cars.
It's been quite some time now, but I believe it was in "Uptown
Downtown" by Stan Fischler (Hope I got the author's name correct).
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POSTER>Dan Casey
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Posted by Dan Casey on June 10, 1997 at 09:55:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Quigebo on June 08, 1997 at 18:55:14:
What's the track record of DBOM contracts? They sound solid on paper,
and insert sufficient "public-private partnership" rhetoric to appeal
politically in these dark times, but you can think of a lot of ways
such a contractor could give the TA a bum deal: substandard work that
begins to fall apart once the contract concludes, the definite
likelihood that the TA would be forced to bail out the operation if it
was failing financially, etc.
Anyone around from Australia or N.Z.? I remember discussion of major
DBOM contracs there on m.t.u-t.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 10, 1997 at 09:55:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Quigebo on June 09, 1997 at 14:19:30:
Design - Build - Operate - Maintain
Anyone ever hear of the IRT and August Belmont? The city paid the IRT
to construct and equip the subway, in return for an annual payment
from profits and a fixed fare.
It seems this major project was privatized back in the wee years of
this century. Will we come full circle in 100 years?
Interesting!
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Posted by Julio Perez on June 10, 1997 at 10:13:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by Steve on June 09, 1997 at 20:13:01:
I suppose those modified R-10s were little more than an exercise in
modifying the front ends of the cars.
It would seem no interior reworking was done to them, particularly
since their narrow tops allowed little room to install ventilation
system improvements (e.g., air conditioning)...?
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 10, 1997 at 10:14:26:
In Reply to: [6]An Amazing Piece of Machinery posted by Steve on June
09, 1997 at 20:27:21:
Only one question:
What is the disposition of the third rail through all this? Is it
removed beforehand and then reinstalled? Such a machine has been seen
in other parts and gotten mention in the trade press. This is the
first time I have heard of it being used on a line w/ third rail.
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Posted by Julio Perez on June 10, 1997 at 10:15:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by David Pirmann on June 08, 1997 at
00:39:29:
Please post a note on SubTalk when you update the information on the
R-10s on the web site!
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Posted by Nick Roberts on June 10, 1997 at 10:15:53:
I recently flipped through the "NYC subway Cars" book, and in the
beginning it says that the MTA is hoping to purchase 2 to 3 hundered
of the R110 A & Bcars this year. However, The Book also has a photo of
an R-127 car, and there's been some discussion of an R-142 car on
here, which suggests that maybe the R110 A & B aren't going to be the
cars purchased in "mass quantity" by the MTA. Also, I remember a year
or so ago seeing a report about these cars on the Channel 11 News at
Ten (WPIX-New York) The report said that people disliked these cars
because there was few seats, few handle bars, and little standing
room. So what's the deal? Does anybody know if the MTA is purchasing
these, or other new technology trains soon? If so, when? Is the R110 A
& B still being used. If so, what lines-according to the Subway carws
book, the R110A is the #2, and the R110B is the letter A. Please let
me know if these have changed or not. Please post and e-mail at:
Nickmeister@Hotmail.com THANK YOU! -NICK
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 10, 1997 at 11:21:14:
In Reply to: [6]New Routes n' stuff posted by Max on June 10, 1997 at
03:02:37:
Those walled-off tracks at 2nd Avenue on the F line were built as part
of an abortive IND extension to Brooklyn and Queens - the so-called
"Second System," scuttled by the Depression and World War Two. As far
as I know, they extend about a trainlength beyond the station, maybe a
bit longer. There are a few other traces of the Second System at
stations in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Joe Brennan's Abandoned Subway
Stations web site (I don't have the URL, but it should be linked from
elsewhere in Subway Resources) has a detailed listing of these.
Reopening the old West Side line would be difficult if not impossible,
as parts of the former ROW have been blocked by buildings and parts of
the elevated structure removed. In addition, this line connects only
to the Amtrak lines into Penn Station; connecting it to the subway
system would require a significant amount of tunnelling.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 10, 1997 at 11:25:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: N running express posted by John on June 09, 1997
at 21:33:24:
I've seen the N running express a few times as well, without any signs
regarding track work. Possibly the TA routes some N trains onto the
express tracks during rush hour in order to speed things up a bit.
Without the south side tracks on the Manhattan Bridge there may be
limits as to how many trains can be so routed, which may be enough to
prevent regular N express service as opposed to occasional
re-routings.
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Posted by Dan Casey on June 10, 1997 at 12:31:03:
In Reply to: [6]Create your subway routes! posted by Michael Adler on
June 08, 1997 at 01:48:20:
The big, bad New York Regional Plan Association ("more office
buildings whether you like them or not") has its own ideas for subway
expansion: a 20 billion dollar RER-style system from Secaucus to Port
Washington and most places in between. Find it at
http://maestro.com/~rpa/rxsum.html
Unlike those of railfans, the RPA's dreams have an annoying tendency
to come true. Some of their transit ideas this time around are good
ones (because actual commuters have been calling for them for years)
but some are yet more gold-plated ways to get stockbrokers downtown as
comfortably as possible. An excellent corrective to the RPA's
worldview (as well as a fascinating critical look at Caro's "The Power
Broker") is "The Assassination of New York," by Robert Fitch.
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Posted by Brian on June 10, 1997 at 13:13:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by M.J.S. on
June 09, 1997 at 21:39:02:
The tracks there were shared by the IRT and BMT at one point. If it
was shared there before, I do not see why it cannot be done now.
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on June 10, 1997 at 14:00:20:
In Reply to: [6]R110 A & B: Whatever happened to them? posted by Nick
Roberts on June 10, 1997 at 10:15:53:
The R110A and R110B were test sets, there were never any plans to buy
any of them in mass quantities for revenue use. The R110 series trains
were ordered to test out new technologies, and recieve the public's
view on them. The tests done with the R110s is what has gone into
making the R127 and R142.
JC
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Posted by Todd Glickman on June 10, 1997 at 14:02:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: An Amazing Piece of Machinery posted by Gerry
O'Regan on June 10, 1997 at 10:14:26:
I rode through this area a few weeks ago, before the "Amazing Piece Of
Machinery" arrived. However, much of the third rail had been removed.
So I assume that Gerry is right, and it must be removed before the
APOM
does its thing, then the third rail is reinstalled.
By the way, as a native New Yorker and LIRR fan from childhood, I've
ridden the entire railroad, except that I had never had the
opportunity to ride the LIC branch from LIC to Jamaica -- given its
very limited schedule during weekdays only. However, with Hunterspoint
Ave. station closed for the summer, the LIRR is running more frequent
service. I finally got to ride this last piece of LIRR trackage a few
weeks ago. I urge all to get on board this summer! (The best part is
riding through Forest Park -- it's as if you were in the middle of the
nowhere!)
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Posted by Steve on June 10, 1997 at 14:04:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: An Amazing Piece of Machinery posted by Gerry
O'Regan on June 10, 1997 at 10:14:26:
The 3rd rail was removed before this piece of equipment was brought
in. The ties have to holes at the ends which are closed with plastic
caps. I assume that these holes are going to be used to re-mount the
3rd rail insulatous and protection board brackets. By the way, does
anyone know what this piece of equipment is called?
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Posted by Steve on June 10, 1997 at 14:12:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Brian on June
10, 1997 at 13:13:08:
That is part of the interesting history of the Corona Line. The IRT &
BMT shared the ROW. In those days, though, the BMT used IRT sized
cars.
This is the historical basis for the current situation on the #7 line
where IRT cars and crews operate with B division signals and
supervision.
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Posted by Steve on June 10, 1997 at 14:17:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110 A & B: Whatever happened to them? posted by
Joshua Caesar on June 10, 1997 at 14:00:20:
One correction: The R-110s will be the test cars which will result in
the R-142 and R-143 cars. The R-127 is a work motor which resembles an
R-62 with only one door per side and no windows.
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Posted by Steve on June 10, 1997 at 14:19:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: An Amazing Piece of Machinery posted by Todd
Glickman on June 10, 1997 at 14:02:03:
Thanks Todd, I plan to do just that, next week.
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Posted by Steve on June 10, 1997 at 14:28:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by lee on June 09,
1997 at 04:30:54:
I don't disagree with you at all. However, the 63rd street connection
is designed to increase capacity on that corridor and reduce
congestion, not increase ridership. (although that might happen) If
the TA wanted to increase rideship, they would complete the E line
portion of the Archer Avenue Line. It was ultimately supposed to
continue southward along Merrick Blvd to Francis Lewis Blvd. to
Rosedale. I may have mentioned this before but one ironic result of
completing this line would mean that the northern terminal on the E
line would be significantly south (geographically) of the southern
terminal (World trade Center). The TA would once again have to send
the E to the Rockaways to correct this quirk.
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on June 10, 1997 at 14:30:16:
I recently read about a new proposal ( or fantasy ! ) for an LRT
system
between Red Hook and Downtown Brooklyn. The system would serve
two functions : 1.) A new way of getting to Downtown Brooklyn from
Red Hook and Carroll Gardens besides taking the bus or walking. The
LRT could bring people to the Heights , Metrotech , Boro Hall , subway
stations , shopping area of Fulton St. and other commercial areas.
2.) A tourist tram that could be part of the world's largest
transportation
museum ( including the Trolley Museum in Red Hook , the Atlantic Ave.
tunnel , and Transit Museum ) , a "moving museum" that includes a
grand tour of Downtown Brooklyn. The route would start at the Trolley
Museum in Red Hook , run from Van Brunt St. to Richards St. , to
Coffey
St. connecting with the Beard Street Pier ( first demostration phase )
,
and perhaps with more funding ( $ 210,000 in federal funds are
forthcoming ) the line would be extended through Carroll Gardens ,
Cobble Hills ( perhaps running up Court St. ) to the Transit Museum ,
and on to
Boro Hall ( Cadman Plaza ) . The B75 bus currently runs that route.
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Posted by nathan on June 10, 1997 at 14:33:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded rail posted by Brian W on June 07, 1997 at
19:44:21:
thanks. I know that the Scarberia RT uses it...
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on June 10, 1997 at 15:53:50:
Does anyone know if a NYC Subway screen saver exists somewhere ?
I really would like to watch subways moving across my screen (
including
different types of cars from the past , present and special work
trains ).
Another feature I would like to see is different backgrounds like :
the 42nd Street IRT station , an elevated subway station with cars
moving under the tracks on the streets below , subway yard operations
,
etc.
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Posted by John on June 10, 1997 at 16:57:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Quigebo on June 09, 1997 at 22:23:37:
Does anybody know what kind of trains the Tren Urbano will use? How
will they compare to a New York subway train?
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Posted by Lefty on June 10, 1997 at 17:01:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Steve on June
09, 1997 at 23:47:06:
whats a trip cock?
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Posted by Quigebo on June 10, 1997 at 17:02:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Dan Casey on June 10, 1997 at 09:55:41:
Yes, there are the possibilities of things like that happening, but
they could still happen if the 2nd Av Subway were built the tradtional
IND way. With one contract, the TA can keep a better eye on what's
going on with construction. And if the contractor fails to meet the
criteria that they agreed to, they face substantial penalties. The
contractor themselves have to maintain the line for a number of years.
Then the TA takes over. It will take time to see if this type of
public-private partnership will work.
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Posted by Richard Ahrens on June 10, 1997 at 17:46:00:
Does anyone out there have 2 tickets to the NY Transit Museum's
"Hoboken on the Hudson" tour scheduled for August 9?
If you have them and are willing to sell, please contact me via e-mail
at ahrens@webspan.net ....
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Posted by BRYAN LAYNE on June 10, 1997 at 17:49:39:
In Reply to: [5]NYC Subway screen saver ? posted by Ted Nielsen on
June 10, 1997 at 15:53:50:
oh man,thats weird I was just thinkin the about the same thing the
other day.That would be awsome.
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Posted by Quigebo on June 10, 1997 at 18:38:00:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
John on June 10, 1997 at 16:57:45:
The Tren Urbano will use heavy-rail vehicles from Siemens that will
run on entirely grade separated ROW (above and below ground). But the
cars will be smaller than those of our subway. I think they might be
the same size as the 1993 N5 cars (uglier than the slanted R40
outside, but rather nice inside, and they accelerate fast and ride
smooth) from Adtranz used on Philadelphia's Route 100 line to
Norristown or. I'd assume that they'll run on third rail and have high
platforms like that line except that the Tren Urbano cars will run
below ground for at least some of their route.
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Posted by Nathan on June 10, 1997 at 19:31:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by BRYAN LAYNE on
June 09, 1997 at 21:36:15:
I think it all depends on how the line is planned, and yes, I think we
should have never gotten rid of the old street cars or interurbans,
especially the giant Pacific Electric or BC Epectric interurban
(radial) lines.
Back to Light Rail, I am not quite sure about whether systems like the
Dallas system are a good idea. I see what is being done in Portland,
(using lrt as a land use tool) and I think that in that use it could
be a good idea, then I see LA, which experiences low ridership
(blueline is higher than the subway ridership, i think the blue light
rail is at about 45 000 people per day) and then I see Calgary's lrt
carrying 115 000 people per day and vancouver's ART carrying the same
patronage.
WHY?? I think that if Light Rail is being used on suburb-downtown
corridors (like dallas) it should be made highly competitive with the
auto, I mean high speeds, maybe up to 100km/h (is that about 60 mph?)
Anyway, I'll have to wait and see...
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Posted by Nathan on June 10, 1997 at 19:40:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110 A & B: Whatever happened to them? posted by
Steve on June 10, 1997 at 14:17:27:
Who is making the R-142's and R-143s? Will it be the same companies
that
built the R-110s (Bombardier and was it kawasaki, i don't know that
one)?
Thanx
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 10, 1997 at 20:17:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: An Amazing Piece of Machinery posted by Todd
Glickman on June 10, 1997 at 14:02:03:
Heaven help us! More frequent service could mean someone might
actually ride it. And if it stopped between Jamaica and LIC the LIRR
might find out that there is a market for 'real' service in that area.
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Posted by Peggy Darlington on June 10, 1997 at 20:26:00:
Does anyone have the key to IND station Tile Colors. At first I
thought it was by line but then stations like W4th thre that idea out
the window. I then thought zones,b ut the G line and Penn Sta/8th ave
killed that idea.
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POSTER>Quigebo
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Posted by Quigebo on June 10, 1997 at 20:34:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R110 A & B: Whatever happened to them? posted by
Nathan on June 10, 1997 at 19:40:02:
Kawasaki is the other company. They're building 400 of the new R142
cars, while Bombardier will build the other 680.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 10, 1997 at 20:40:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Steve on June
10, 1997 at 14:12:13:
The shared operation of both car sizes on the section between Broadway
and Metropolitan Av. on the Myrtle line and the various peak hour el
car shuttles on the BMT in the early days of the Dual Contracts
certainly points to the ability of both car sizes to share an el
structure.
The maximum train length for such an operation would be 8 (or 9) 60'
cars or six 75' cars. I'm certain that the former could take the
curves east of QBP without any problem, the only question might be
track centers on curves when cars pass. The 75' cars are a scarier
thought, however. Of course there is the short subway at Main St., was
it built to the wider clearances like the Dual Contracts IRT stuff. If
so this idea is pretty doable - shave back the platforms six inches
and put in another crossover at QBP!
Of course, in the reality of this age, the NIMBY forces would claim
that the longer, wider cars would increase noise, wear and tear on the
structure (the opposite is probably true), and diminish the values of
their homes in Jackson Heights. :)
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 10, 1997 at 22:37:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway screen saver ? posted by BRYAN LAYNE on
June 10, 1997 at 17:49:39:
Someone should contact the company behind After Dark (Berkley
Systems). If they can make Toasters Fly, they should be able to handle
10 R36s and an R-33 on the flyover at 111th St.
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POSTER>David Perry
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Posted by David Perry on June 11, 1997 at 00:30:08:
In Reply to: [6]Create your subway routes! posted by Michael Adler on
June 08, 1997 at 01:48:20:
A modest proposal. . .
I don't live in Northern Manhattan, so I don't know what transit
demand is like in Morningside Heights, Washington Heights, etc.
However, having ridden the Broadway line a couple of times, it seems
like it must be an awfully long slog during rush hour. Now, there's a
perfectly good express track from 145th to 96th Street. Instead of
having skip-stop service, why not have the 1 switch over to the
express headed downtown in the morning and uptown in the evening? You
could start the 9 at either 145th or 137th to free up some capacity on
the upper reaches of the line. You might even be able to use the track
from 241st to Dyckman as a super-express, although that's less likely
because I don't know if the two-track stretch in-between could handle
the increase. But the lower 3-track stretch definitely seems
underused. Those of you who know railroad capacities better than I can
tell me if this is a good idea. At the very least, there should be
some short trips run from 137th street (which I believe they used to
do anyway). And it sure would cost less than the 2nd Avenue line :)
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Does anyone know why there are three tracks at Bedford-Nostrand and
why the G couldn't be connected to the A at Fulton (the A runs under
the G there).
If you look at the G, there are places where it looks like there was a
G express train. There are three tracks leading from Court Square and
21st Van Alst.
Is it also true there are plans to meet Van Alsts' station with the 7?
Also, there are rail tunnels underneath Van Alst. Does any one know
what they are used for?
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Posted by Max on June 11, 1997 at 08:04:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: N running express posted by Peter Rosa on June 10,
1997 at 11:25:19:
When will the Manhattan Bridge be opened again?
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Posted by Max on June 11, 1997 at 08:06:47:
In Reply to: [6]Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Nathan on June 09,
1997 at 19:03:53:
The light rail seems to work fantastically in Miami. For a quarter, it
really gets you around. Its pretty fast, too.
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Posted by Max on June 11, 1997 at 08:08:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by M.J.S. on
June 09, 1997 at 21:39:02:
Yes, but at one point the 7 was a BMT line. Did they ever make the
adjustments? Or, were they minor?
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Thanks to all who gave input on the R110 A and B question!! Since the
R142 and R143 trains are going to be purchased, when can we expect to
see them? I bet their going to replace some of the redbirds, as well
as some other trains (Like the E and Q cars). I hope they work out the
"bugs" from the r110 a and b-like the few seats, handle bars, and
standing room problems that riders were complaining about. Also, I've
heard that bench seating is making a comeback-in order to make more
standing room. The r110a already had this feature, but not the r110b.
-NICK
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Posted by Julio Perez on June 11, 1997 at 08:41:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway screen saver ? posted by Gerry O'Regan
on June 10, 1997 at 22:37:36:
...and don't forget the occasional R-33/36 horn toot to get the
maintenance crew off the tracks, brake screeching, and express train
rumbling past the station!
There _has_ to be a screen saver with subways somewhere!! Any ideas,
folks?
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Posted by Julio Perez on June 11, 1997 at 08:49:45:
A message in an earlier thread said the R-10s were "all gone." But,
are they all gone just for revenue service (i.e., they are still being
used as work trains), or have they been totally eliminated from the
system through resale or scrapping?
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on June 11, 1997 at 10:23:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Routes n' stuff posted by Dan on June 10, 1997
at 08:55:50:
The West Side Line (ex NYC) *could* be put to good use without too
much trouble or money. It is a matter of political will power. For
example, it could pretty easily (speaking in terms of the Civil
Engineering involved, not the politics) be connected to form a sort of
loop from the L to the 7 line. The 7 could have its platforms modified
to IND/BMT standards, and a new through route could be born. Right
now, however, there is no will power to improve life in New York in
this sort of way.
This is the same paralysis which has long prevented something as
simple as a short branch off the A train to JFK, or a short extension
of the N to LaGuardia. It makes sense, but this is modern New York,
not the New York which finished the Empire State building in 11
months.
Of course, *if* the TA got money to spend on new routes, the first
priority would probably be finishing the long promised 2nd Ave. line,
seeing as there are four good chunks already done and awaiting track
and signalling work (2 in Harlem between 99th and 120th, 1 in East
Village between 2nd and 9th, 1 in Chinatown/Soho south of the
Manhattan Bridge), and much of the engineering already completed for
the rest.
Andrew Byler
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POSTER>Andrew Byler
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Posted by Andrew Byler on June 11, 1997 at 10:37:47:
In Reply to: [6]Create your subway routes! posted by Michael Adler on
June 08, 1997 at 01:48:20:
J/Z - Eliminate the Z, run the J express from East New York
K - Restart the old K train, extended from Canarsie to East New York,
then local on into the Chrystie St. Connection and up 6th Ave. to take
over the northern B route.
B - All the time to 21st. Queensbridge
Manhatan Bridge Routes - reopen the south side!
Re: 7 line comments - the IRT line is narrower, hence the platforms
extend out further. If a BMT/IND car ran up this line, it would take a
smack in the side the first time it tried to enter a station. When it
was a joint division, the BMT had special narrow cars, and all BMT
patrons transferred at the bridge.
Andy
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Posted by Andrew Byler on June 11, 1997 at 10:44:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Subway Route ideas (2nd Av Subway) posted by
Quigebo on June 08, 1997 at 18:55:14:
I am not certain of the exact working of DBOM contracts such as Tren
Urbano, but I do remember a poster in the LTK Engineering Office (they
are enhgineers for part of the system). Another name for a DBOM is a
Turn-key
project. The poster read Turkey project. Doesn't speak well of this
method.
Andy
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Posted by Sabri Boja on June 11, 1997 at 13:50:07:
To whom it may concern:
I would like to know what are the procedures for one to apply for
employment at the NYCTransit, MTA, LIRR. Does there exist seperate
Human Resources/Perssonel Dept. for job listings? Is there a site on
the web for listings of job openings/employment for the NYCTransit,
MTA, LIRR?
Please email me at:
mirqc@1cunix1.qc.edu
if you can answer my questions.
Thanks,
Sabri Boja
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on June 11, 1997 at 14:30:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway screen saver ? posted by Julio Perez on
June 11, 1997 at 08:41:39:
I contacted a few screen saver companies and made the suggestion.
I have a few ideas for backgrounds -
1.) 2-level stations ( like IRT 59th St. )
2.) elevated stations
3.) rail yard operations
4.) terminus stations ( with trains reversing )
5.) stations with local and express tracks
Other ideas :
1.) train sounds
2.) train selection menu - you can choose what trains you want to see
3.) cab-view options ( see what a driver sees when he comes into a
station )
If you have any other suggestions or ideas , post it !
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Posted by Dan Casey on June 11, 1997 at 14:38:14:
In Reply to: [6]G Line posted by Max on June 11, 1997 at 03:10:30:
I'm fairly certain there was never a G express; if you look at that
"third track" you'll see that there are no rails or ties there, just
ballast. Possibly there was an express planned and never put into
place.
A more intriguing possibility is that another subway would have shared
the tunnel. I recall an old BMT map on display at the Transit Museum
that showed a projected subway to replace the Lexington Ave. el
through Bed-Stuy; don't remember what the exact date was.
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SUBJECT>Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths
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Posted by Andrew Byler on June 11, 1997 at 16:15:31:
In Reply to: [6]Welded Rail - Facts posted by Steve on June 07, 1997
at 21:19:06:
Regarding CWR - from a Railroad Engineer
CWR can be used in railroads at any length without buckling. It is a
mistaken notion which does not correspond to the facts that length
alone determines buckling.
Axial force in a rail comes from the following equation:
N = E*A*a*dT
Where: N = axial force
A = cross sectional area of rail
E = Young's modulus of steel
a = the temperature expansion coefficent of steel
dT = the temperature change from the nuetral temperature (the
temperature the rail was anchored in place at.
As you can see, it is entirely independent of the length of the rail.
Movement of the track is resisted by the ballast both laterally and in
parallel. Tracks generally buckle laterally because the resistance is
less in that direction (makes intuitive sense - the resistance comes
from the area of the ties, which is larger in the parallel direction).
Now when there is an insulated joint, assume that there is no axial
force at that point (sometimes the case after lots of traffic). The
axial force builds up as a step function directly related to the axial
resistance of the track at each tie. However it stops building up when
it reaches the overall axial force in the very long rail which I
showed how to calculate before. It is this property which allows
welded rail to be used anywhere in the world, irregardless of
temperature. What is important is to control the neutral temperature
at which the rail is placed in track. By locating this correctly, the
engineer can avoid both buckling and pull aparts given the highest
expected increases and decreases in temperature and the various
resistances of the track. In some places of extreme variation, such as
Siberia, where temperatures can range from -80 F to 100 F in a year,
it is necessary to unanchor and heat or cool the rail during the
spring and fall to adjust its neutral temperature.
For more information, I recommend looking up the article by Dr. Arnold
Kerr in the Bulletin of the American Railway Engineering Association,
1978, on this very subject. As an aside, the same principals apply to
Continuous concrete pavements in roads and runways.
Andrew Byler
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Posted by Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 17:17:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Max on June 11,
1997 at 08:06:47:
Ah, are you talking about the MetroMover? (I hated the MetroRail) but
yeah,
i think if they (LRT's) are planned well then they can be really
effective,
but the only experience with LRT is the one in Calgary (apparently the
most successful in North America) but it seemed fast, but other than
that, well,
here politicians are saying that we'll have 3 lrt lines by 2005,
right.
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Posted by Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 17:25:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths posted by
Andrew Byler on June 11, 1997 at 16:15:31:
Ok, I always thought that rails buckled towards the point of least
resistance, so if rails were not spiked down, but held in "spring
clips"
that allowed expansion in the direction the rail went, not to the
side,
the rail would keep it's form, just expand at the end of the
trackwork?
(Sorry, I'm not making sense, am I)
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Posted by Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 17:29:53:
Ok, what is with the word "guideway"? I always thought that that word
only
applied to either A)the trackwork for MAG-LEV trains
or
B)the trackwork for hybrid technologies that run on steel rails but
use
linear induction motors.
Now, while politicians are bombarding my area with light rail
promises,
they make mention of parts being on an elevated "guideway", yet this
would
be conventional light rail and not LIM powered...
Help... :(
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Posted by Bingo on June 11, 1997 at 19:29:10:
I live in Toronto, Canada, but I return to New York every once in a
while because it is such a wicked city! I especially like the subway
system, which is so much more complicated than the ones we have here
is Toronto and Montreal. While in New York, I took the PATH system
which from my friends house which is in New Jersey. I noticed that the
system runs for 24 hrs and every fifteen minutes, which is unheard of
here! ( We don't have the population nor the resources i.e money )If
the system runs all the time, how do the repairpeople do regular
maintenance like replacing tracks and ties and stuff? The TTC does
everything at night and in stages, but that can't be possible on a
large scale subway like the PATH and MTA. Or can it?
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Posted by Bingo on June 11, 1997 at 19:45:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths posted by
Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 17:25:26:
What about the new floating track technique that is being implemented
into rail engineering? If the rails are mounted on separate slabs of
concrete and have the vibration-absorbing rubber underneath, would
that not compensate for any type of rail distortion?
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Posted by Brian W on June 11, 1997 at 19:45:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC Subway screen saver ideas posted by Ted
Nielsen on June 11, 1997 at 14:30:17:
Not only for New York, but what about one for other systems worldwide
like one for the Toronto system?
Or better yet, have a menu or something to select what system you want
to see.
Maybe even have a module where there's a quiz that asks you questions
about different systems, sort of like After Dark's "You Bet Your
Head".
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 11, 1997 at 19:45:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: An Amazing Piece of Machinery posted by Todd
Glickman on June 10, 1997 at 14:02:03:
I rode on that line too, and I also recommend it. And that "nowhere"
feeling isn't restricted to Forest Park - I kind of feel the whole
line is in the middle of nowhere! 8-) And keep your eyes out for Penny
Bridge and Haberman or you're likely to miss 'em! 8-)
On a related note, are the LIRR parlor cars running this summer? Can
anyone tell me if they are worth trying out? And will they be running
on the LIC-to-Jamaica run?
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Posted by John on June 11, 1997 at 19:45:50:
In Reply to: [5]PATH Subway System posted by Bingo on June 11, 1997 at
19:29:10:
Oh it's possable. And when it happens, trust me - you'll know!! During
construction on the New York City Subway, trains are often rerouted,
have limited service, or are somehow modified. On the PATH system,
which is dwarfed by the subway, shuttle bus service is often offered
in place of rail service. Rerouting is rare on the PATH.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 11, 1997 at 19:53:52:
In Reply to: [6]PATH Subway System posted by Bingo on June 11, 1997 at
19:29:10:
With PATH, they either go with buses or (apparently more often) they
run the trains less frequently (30 min. intervals) while work is being
done, generally during off hours. With fewer trains, they can then
close off one track and run all the trains on the other track. They
did this last Sunday near Hoboken.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 19:58:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Max on June
11, 1997 at 08:08:54:
That is a very stupid thing to say, why would trains be made narrower?
Besides both lines were part of a JOINT SERVICE using cars with IRT
clearances, BMT passengers had to transfer at a now demolishes side of
the Queensborough Plaza station.
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Posted by Bingo on June 11, 1997 at 19:59:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PATH Subway System posted by John on June 11, 1997
at 19:45:50:
Thank you for your quick reply! However, I find that interesting. When
I was riding the train, I noticed a lot of curving, open tunnels and
plenty of crossovers which would make it seem like they were planning
for a lot of rerouting within the system. Why would they not take
advantage of this?
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 20:00:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Gerry O'Regan
on June 10, 1997 at 20:40:47:
NO, not for Brian or Gerry, see the reply I made for Max.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 20:01:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Steve on June
09, 1997 at 23:47:06:
NO NO NO NO NO NO
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 20:05:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Hudson-Bergen Light Rail posted by Quigebo on June
09, 1997 at 22:18:09:
Or why not save millions of dollars and run it on thr abandoned
West-side freight line?
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 20:08:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by Andrew Huie on June 09, 1997 at
22:38:50:
They were overhauled for temporary rebuild duty, which means that they
would fill the gap left in service when cars are sent for REAL
overhaul.
BTW, how did the windows on the R10 work?
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 20:10:52:
In Reply to: [6]Welded Rail - Facts posted by Steve on June 10, 1997
at 00:05:10:
It's not a valid comparison because you can easily see that NYC looks
like scum mostly, and the others look nice and feel comfortable,
something that NY can do but doesn't.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 20:18:35:
In Reply to: [6]idea #4 posted by Dan on June 10, 1997 at 09:17:00:
The tunnel was nowhere ner the bridge, it was on Owl's Head Park, and
no construction was done in SI
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at 20:43:01:
In Reply to: [6]R142's and R143's:When are they arriving? posted by
Nick on June 11, 1997 at 08:10:10:
In 1999. No everything will be te same. The trains are going to
replace most of the RedBirds. Why would you get rid of the cars on the
Q, THEY'RE BRAND NEW!!! Besides the R-142 is an IRT car and the E and
Q are BMT/IND lines, you must also have forgotten the reliability rate
of the R-32s. How will bench seating help address this? I understand
the return of all Longitudnal seating, if you meant longitudnal then
you mixed up your cars.
Next time before posting just check the tons of data available on this
site.
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 11, 1997 at 20:50:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Subway System posted by Bingo on June 11,
1997 at 19:59:44:
In the tunnel sections, PATH has only one crossover outside the
terminal areas. That one crossover in the tunnels is just west of
Grove St. What they usually do (in fact, it seems like every weekend)
they run 30 minute service on the lines with single-tracking. There's
not much "rerouting" they can do because the system is so small.
For what it's worth, I haven't seen shuttle service in a few months.
When they do it, it's late at night.
--Dave
(daily PATH rider)
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Posted by Steve on June 11, 1997 at 21:36:41:
In Reply to: [6]G Line posted by Max on June 11, 1997 at 03:10:30:
Before the G train, was the GG local. There was never an express. The
3rd track at 21st St.-VanAlst. is just a spur. It's used to turn
trains when Court Sq. is a terminal. It is also used to store bad
order trains until thay can be moved to the yard.
As for Bedford Nostrand, the IND was built with much flexibility built
in. There are several places along Queens Blvd with cuts into the
walls for expansion. Bedford-Nostrand was built with the 3rd track to
serve as a terminal if the need for such a service arose.
The G could be connected to the A Line south of Fulton Street but what
would be the purpose?
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Posted by Steve on June 11, 1997 at 21:37:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: N running express posted by Max on June 11, 1997
at 08:04:43:
YES
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Posted by Steve on June 11, 1997 at 21:49:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths posted by
Andrew Byler on June 11, 1997 at 16:15:31:
When you say you are a railroad enginneer, you mean other than a
locomotive engineer. I am not an engineer so I will bow to your
expertise. However, over the past two decades, I have on more than one
occassion, seen buckled rails during extremes in temp. I also know
that on the Manhhattan bridge, there are several 'expansion' joints in
the tracks. Are the buckkled rails and the expansion joints on the
bridge mirages???
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Posted by Steve on June 11, 1997 at 22:00:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by M.J.S. on June 11,
1997 at 20:10:52:
You have so many negative comments regarding the NYCT system. I wonder
why you don't spend your time on a site devoted to the Ankara, Turkey
system. It seems that you'd be happier.
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Posted by Jim on June 11, 1997 at 22:02:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Nathan on June 08,
1997 at 16:50:58:
What does PHHhhBBB stand for. Is that some sort of Canadian
recognition code?
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Posted by Steve on June 11, 1997 at 22:08:04:
In Reply to: [6]Another R-10 Question posted by Julio Perez on June
11, 1997 at 08:49:45:
Except for those saved for museum cars, they are all gone. There may
be one rusting away in Coney Island but I ddon't recall any on the
current roster as work motors.
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Posted by John on June 11, 1997 at 23:00:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Steve on June 11,
1997 at 22:00:05:
What is the Ankara subway like? How does it compare to New York? Do
Armenians have to sit in the back of the trains (a little joke, since
I am Armenian and since the Turks have a history of treating the
Armenians like shit).
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Posted by Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 23:40:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths posted by Steve
on June 11, 1997 at 21:49:06:
Ok, now, like what was being said, rails buckle on points of structual
weakness, everything from metal fatigue to irregularities in the ties.
If you are seeing buckled rails it is probably because
a)the tracks are over 70 years old, ties/spikes have rusted out
b)you are on a potent hallucinegen.
One thing that I was reading up on was bombardier's ART rail fixation
technique: rails are held in by a spring clip and the spring clip
rests on an elastometric pad (an over-engineered concrete "square")
This seems to allow for expansion, but it prevents lateral expansion.
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Posted by Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 23:43:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths posted by Bingo
on June 11, 1997 at 19:45:01:
Yeah, like Spadina LRT in TO? Yeah, that was what I was getting at in
my
last post, they've used it in Vancouver for years and I have yet to
see
a buckled rail, i think the premise is to control the expansion.
Anyway..
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Posted by nathan on June 11, 1997 at 23:54:43:
In Reply to: [5]Secret Code?? posted by Jim on June 11, 1997 at
22:02:05:
no, it's the sound you get when you stick your tongue out, close your
lips and blow! (also known as the "strawberry"
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Posted by Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 23:58:30:
In Reply to: [5]Ankara Subway (was RE: Welded Rail - Facts) posted by
John on June 11, 1997 at 23:00:42:
Ok, here you go. To set the record straight, I was using Ankara
as an example of SELTRAC moving block signalling! I don't know if
Ankara
is even operating yet! All I know is that the cars are built by
bombardier
and resemble the H-Series trains on the toronto tube, with the
exception
that in ANkara the front of the trains only has 2 windows (one on the
end door and one observation window)...
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I remember the R-40s in their original
form with the large route letter in the front and the large glass on
the doors, and am disappointed in the way they look today with the
small route sign and
smaller glass on the doors.
Did the TA perform these modifications to save money (less fabric or
other material needed for route signs, less plexiglass for the windows),
or did people actually complain that these characteristics were too
obnoxious?
Also, why didn't the TA ever procure subsequent train orders with
slanted noses? Was there a safety concern involved (wider gap between
slanted nose cars even though they were draped with gates), or did the
train drivers complain of reduced operating quarters?
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Posted by Dan on June 12, 1997 at 11:47:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: idea #4 posted by M.J.S. on June 11, 1997 at
20:18:35:
The tunnel shaft on the s.i. end was not near the bridge, but it was
filled up with excavated earth from the bridge construction. There was
some work done on s.i., though not as much as remains under Owl's head
park.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on June 12, 1997 at 12:33:09:
In Reply to: [6]PATH Subway System posted by Bingo on June 11, 1997 at
19:29:10:
Yes, it's possible and done quite often on the NY
subway, even though its a 24 hour operation.
Work is typically done during non-rush hours. Express
trains may be rerouted over local tracks or vice versa
to accomodate the work schedule. During off or
night-time hours, bus service might be substituted or
the trains may run less often or might be broken up
into separate services where a shuttle might run where
the work is being done.
In some instances, routes are closed for the duration
of the project, such as the Mahnattan Bridge south side
reconstruction. The N runs through the tunnel and
local in Manhattan where it normally would run over the
bridge and express in Manhattan. The Q which would also
run via the N line in Manhattan runs via 6th Ave to
21st - Queensbridge. The M line which used to run to
Coney Island via the Brighton Line, now runs to
Chambers St or 9th Av - 39th st on the B line or Bay
parkway on the B line.
In other instances, temporary platforms might be
erected over local tracks making the express tracks
"local" as was done in the recently completed rehab of
the Queens Blvd viaduct on the #7. This completely
closes the local platform and all trains would run
local through the construction area. This was also
done on the Brighton Line a few years back.
Where lines are redundant, one line might run an
abbrevated service to a temporary terminal. Recently I
rode the #2 from 241 St - 149 St Grand Concourse.
During the track work, the #5, which is redundant with
the 2 between these stations, was terminating at 149th,
and #2 trains were single tracked between 149 st and
Jackson Ave. The longer headways permitted the single
tracking of this section of the line.
Finally, sometimes trackwork offers the rare
opportunity to ride portions of the subway that are
normally not in revenue service. In 1982, while I
attended NYU. the Brooklyn-bound D train ran from Bway
-Lafayette through the portion of the Chyrstie St
connection formerly used by the K train through Essex
St onto the Williamsburgh Bridge. The train reversed
direction and went through Essex St and the Nassau St
loop via Tunnel to Dekalb Ave and resumed its normal
route to Brighton Beach, avoiding the Manhattan Bridge
altogether.
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on June 12, 1997 at 13:11:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Another R-10 Question posted by Steve on June 11,
1997 at 22:08:04:
R-10 #3184 currently calls the Coney Island Yard its
home, sitting on the "museum tracks" on the
eastern-most part of the main yard.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on June 12, 1997 at 13:22:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Subway Route ideas posted by David Pirmann on
June 09, 1997 at 18:15:14:
The person who runs the "Routes Not Built" tour from
the Transit Museum, Joseph Raskin, NYCT Assistant
Director of Government Affairs, told the tour group
that I was with that the 2nd Ave subway is still
considered an active project by NYC Transit, even now.
Alternaives to building the 2nd Ave in subway are still
being evaluated.
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Posted by Charlie Bonaire on June 12, 1997 at 13:31:45:
Hi everyone, I'm new here and am glad to have found fellow subway
enthusiasts. I grew up in Newark and of course have always loved its
PCC cars on the City Subway line. I have found a couple sites dealing
with this line (on nycsubway.org) but not enough to answer my
questions about discontinued branch lines, etc. Does anyone know of a
resource I could try?
Thanks for any help.
Charlie Bonaire
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 12, 1997 at 13:58:45:
In Reply to: [6]New Sanitary Product for Women Using Subway Restrooms
posted by Bill Cicio on June 12, 1997 at 10:39:41:
Well, it's clear to me that the person who made the original posting
isn't too familiar with the subway ... otherwise, the title would've
been "New
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Posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at 14:00:36:
Ok, does anyone have the exact ridership figures for the Portland
Eastside
MAX line? I am in the middle of doing some light rail research
(basically
whether or not to support local politicians who realize they have to
suck
up because people are pissed off about highway construction..)
Does anyone know when the Westside MAX will be completed?
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Posted by Andrew Byler on June 12, 1997 at 14:24:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths posted by Steve
on June 11, 1997 at 21:49:06:
Steve,
By Railroad Engineer, I mean I am an engineer of railroad tracks and
structures. Call me a Railway Civil Engineer if that makes more sense.
I am currently studying for my Master's in this area at Delaware.
You are not hallucinating when you see expansion joints or buckled
rails. Expansion joints are generally used to isolate bridges from the
rest of the railroad. This is desirable, because buckling is
definitely not something you would like to have occur near a bridge.
Also, it is desirable to isolate the bridge from the enormous axial
forces in the rail, which it might exert on the bridge structure.
These forces can rise as high as 125 tons (250,000 lbs). As you can
imagine, bridges only see those sorts of forces under impact from a
derailed train or a runaway ship, or similar problems. Generally such
disasters take down the bridge, because they are simply not able to
withstand such enormous loads.
Buckling, as I explained, occurs when the neutral temperature is set
too low. When this happens, and a temperature increase greater than
that which is safe occurs, the track on longer has one equilibrium
position, but three instead. One is the undisturbed straight position,
which is unstable (hence the buckling), another is the unstable
buckled position, which is slightly buckled from the normal, and a
third is the stable buckled position, which is the dramatic pictures
you have seen, freuqently with a derailed train nearby. Not to get
into too long a discussion over, this, but the whole things is pretty
easily determiend using a typical euler buckling determination. You
can look this up in a standard Structural Engineering handbook.
One other cause of buckling is the disturbing of the neutral
temperature of the track. This occurs when residual axial stresses
build up in the rail from repeated heating and cooling, creep forces,
and braking and acceleration forces from the trains. These residual
stresses change the nuetral temperature by changing the temperature at
which 0 axial force is located in the rail. Unfortunately, they
generally change the temperature downwards, by as much as 25 or 30 F.
As the safe temperature increase is generally around an increase of 40
or 50 F, and neutral temperature is usually 85 or 90 F, you can see
that a hot day of 105 F will probably be associated with a buckling
problem. This is why speed limits are put on trains on days over 95 F
(esp. because the forces they create in the rails will disturb the
track beneath them from undisturbed but unstable state to a stable
buckled state).
A final cause of buckling is found in switches. At a switch, four
rails with axial force N each come together as two rails which
ultimately will have axial force N each. As you can see, this doesn't
add up, so the ballast is doing a lot of work resisting the axial
expansion of 2N which is distributed over the 100 or 200 ft. on either
side of a turnout. This heightened axial force at turnouts is the
direct cause of much of the buckling problems which railroads suffer
from.
Andrew Byler
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Posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at 14:25:53:
Does anyone know the regular operating speed of PATH trains?
I think PATH is one of the funkiest little railroads...:)
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Posted by Charles on June 12, 1997 at 15:01:11:
Does Anyone know what is being done on the Sea Beach express tracks?
I have heard that the MTA plans to remove the south bound track. The
TA is currently testing the AC R38's on these tracks after 3:30pm on
weekdays between Kings Highway and 18th Avenue.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on June 12, 1997 at 15:33:30:
In Reply to: [6]Portland MAX posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at
14:00:36:
The complete Westside MAX project is scheduled to be finished and
running revenue trains by September,1998.
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Posted by Fitz on June 12, 1997 at 15:39:51:
In Reply to: [5]how fast? posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at
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Maximum speed limits:40 MPH within the tunnels.(It seems faster due to
the close clearances.)
In open areas:55 MPH from the Hackensack Drawbridge to Hudson Tower.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997 at 16:00:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by Steve on June 11,
1997 at 22:00:05:
Other than this and my DBMTA comment, where do I post so negatively?
BTW, you don't seem to ride the NYC system because you don't smell a
strong urine odor in many stations. You don't go to platforms where
the floors are covered in gum, the tiles are gone or decayed, dark
corners, stairs and passageways. I'm just stating that these exist,
and you can't say they don't. It would be much better if NYCT would
slowly be rebuilt so it's stations and trains resemble those of
systems like Ankara. All subways can be compared, it's just how
satisfied the average rider is on his journey, Ankara might give this
person luxury, while NY gives that person more transit options, but
neither can be called better.
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Posted by Jay Yudof on June 12, 1997 at 16:07:23:
In Reply to: [6]PATH Subway System posted by Bingo on June 11, 1997 at
19:29:10:
1) Just as an add'l pointer to Mr. Feinman's discussion of the volume
of diversions, you may want to visit
www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/Subway/subsrvno.htm, which documents the
(mainly night and weekend) detours which are in effect in the system.
2) (I don't have the title handy here) there is a book, readily
available in railfan-oriented book sources, which is the history of
the Hudson & Manhattan railroad, which is what PATH was called from
when it opened ab't 90 years ago until the Prt Authority took it over
3) As an intermittent weekend visitor to manhattan, I can attest to
the frequency with which PATH weekend service is disrupted, including
the dreaded 30-minute headways. I often ride NJ Transit all the way n,
despite higher cost and apparent longer travel time, to avoid the PATH
weekend run-around.
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Posted by Timothy on June 12, 1997 at 16:09:18:
Does anyone know of any web sights that include photos of New York
City
elevated stations and structures, both past and present (including
Bronx,
Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Queens)? I've noticed that many of the old
elevated stations are very ornate, and have elaborately detailed cast
iron
railings around the platforms, as well as the stairways. Is there any
way
I can obtain photos of some of those stations? Right now, I'm mostly
interested in Brooklyn elevateds, as well as the 6th, and 9th Avenue
Els
in Manhattan. I do have photos of the 3rd Avenue El, including the
book,
"By the El". Also, I remember seeing a Levi's 501 jeans commercial
back in
the mid 1980's, in which shows a group of people standing and dancing
to
the commercial's rap-like jingle, on what appeared to be the stairs to
an
elevated station. The railings on the stairs were very ornate, but
looked
somewhat derelict. When I was in New York City back in April of this
year,
I saw the now closed stairways at 155th St. and 8th Ave., that lead up
to
the Macombs Dam Bridge. Those stairways looked very much like the ones
in
the Levi's commercial. Can anyone tell me if the 155th St. stairways
were
the ones in the commercial? Hope someone can answer my questions.
Thank you very much,
Timothy
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Posted by Jay Yudof on June 12, 1997 at 16:10:49:
In Reply to: [6]What is with the word posted by Nathan on June 11,
1997 at 17:29:53:
Certain words have a vogue in the business. All the traffic reporters
like to refer to the "route 1 corridor", when they really mean just
the single highway. Trolley cars cost an order of magnitude less than
Light Rail Vehicles.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997 at 16:13:25:
In Reply to: [6]Sea Beach Line posted by Charles on June 12, 1997 at
15:01:11:
What do you mean by an AC R-38? An R-38 with AC motors?
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Posted by Name on June 12, 1997 at 16:23:58:
HELLO EVERYBODY, DO ANY OF YOUSE LIVE IN THE SUBWAY? IF SO HOW DO YOU
ACCESS DA NET?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 12, 1997 at 16:31:35:
In Reply to: [5]I GOTZ A QUESTION HEA! posted by Name on June 12, 1997
at 16:23:58:
Yeah, man, we lives in the subway. Internet is available at 42nd St -
Times Square, 34th St - Penn Station, and the World Trade Center
subway stations.
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POSTER>Bill: The Dodo
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Posted by Bill: The Dodo on June 12, 1997 at 16:32:49:
I haven't been to New York in 10 years and I plan to visit it soon.
When I lived here I loved the subway. I feel really bad that I
couldn't know cool things like car types, so I wan't to ask this about
cars.
What were all the cars that were around in 1987 classified as?
Which still exist?
Which are new?
Which have been rebuilt after 1987?
Which were rebuilt before?
My favorite car is stainless steel, has a big blue stripe on the side,
has bucketed seating, combination forward-back/sideways seating. What
are these cars called? When were they built? (I know it was in the
70s) have they been rebuilt? Etc.
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POSTER>Jay Yudof
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Posted by Jay Yudof on June 12, 1997 at 16:36:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Brian on June
10, 1997 at 13:13:08:
I was standing on the BMT platform at 8th & Broadway Northbound one
day last month, and a perfectly natural looking train of IRT cars came
through deadheading on the local track. Why? Where bound? Why on the
local?
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POSTER>Name
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Posted by Name on June 12, 1997 at 16:40:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I GOTZ A QUESTION HEA! posted by John on June 12,
1997 at 16:31:35:
I GOTZ TA SEE DAT. WHERE DO I FIND THE INTERNET AT DOZE PLACES?
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 12, 1997 at 16:47:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Secret Code?? posted by nathan on June 11, 1997 at
23:54:43:
Also known as the Bronx Cheer.
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POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 12, 1997 at 16:55:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Another R-10 Question posted by Mark S Feinman on
June 12, 1997 at 13:11:38:
These are the only R-10 cars that are in existence today:
#3184 - Restored "museum" car stored at Coney Island Yard;
#3189 - R.C.I Yard Office-School Training Car at Pitkin Yard.
Also, #1575 [the prototype car originally built from an R-7A in 1947]
is in the New York Transit Museum in Brooklyn.
The last R-10 car to be removed from NYCTA property was #3081, which
was
the only surviving G.E.-equipped unit to remain in existence.
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
E.R.A. #5783
New York, N.Y.
P.S. I should know about these R-10 cars in particular...they are my
all-
time favorite New York City subway car fleet, and I still miss them to
this
day!!!
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POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 12, 1997 at 17:29:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 20:13:41:
To answer certain questions about the R-10 cars in general posted on
this
Sub-Talk Page:
1. During 1962-63, only six R-10 cars (1822/2969, 1850/2997, 3099,
3101, 3137 and 3342) were painted a bright tartar red like the
R-29/33's.
No further repainting on the other units occurred until the
introduction
of the navy blue/white scheme of 1965-66.
2. The R-10's side windows were opened and closed much the same way
as the other cars, except they were each one long solid panel that
didn't
go all the way down.
3. Car 3192 had a new R-42 type front installed on that car in early
1975 to be the prototype car for an overhaul complete rebuilding of
the
fleet to be done with modern R-44 interiors and air-conditioning. The
unit
was scrapped in 1980 inside Coney Island Yard.
4. The R-10's various paint schemes were as follows: two-tone grey/
orange (1948-circa 1967), tartar red (1962-circa 1966 on those six
cars
mentioned in part one), navy blue/white with and without blue stripe
(1965-
circa 1970), silver/blue (circa 1970-1988) and dark green with silver
roof
and black front hood (1985-1989 on the GOH Westinghouse units only).
5. The only remaining R-10 cars in existence are: #3184 (restored
"museum" car at Coney Island Yard) and #3189 (R.C.I. Yard-School
Training
Car at Pitkin Yard). The last R-10 car to be removed from NYCTA
property
was #3081, which was the only surviving G.E.-equipped unit in
existence.
Also, #1575 (the prototype car rebuilt from an R-7A in 1947) is at the
New
York Transit Museum in Brooklyn. The bulk of the scrapping of the
remain-
ing R-10 cars ended in June 1990.
I should all about the R-10 cars in particular...they are my all-time
favorite New York City subway car fleet, and I still miss them to this
day!!!
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
ERA #5783
New York, NY
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POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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SUBJECT>Re: R-10
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 12, 1997 at 17:29:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Steve on June 08, 1997 at 20:13:41:
To answer certain questions about the R-10 cars in general posted on
this
Sub-Talk Page:
1. During 1962-63, only six R-10 cars (1822/2969, 1850/2997, 3099,
3101, 3137 and 3342) were painted a bright tartar red like the
R-29/33's.
No further repainting on the other units occurred until the
introduction
of the navy blue/white scheme of 1965-66.
2. The R-10's side windows were opened and closed much the same way
as the other cars, except they were each one long solid panel that
didn't
go all the way down.
3. Car 3192 had a new R-42 type front installed on that car in early
1975 to be the prototype car for an overhaul complete rebuilding of
the
fleet to be done with modern R-44 interiors and air-conditioning. The
unit
was scrapped in 1980 inside Coney Island Yard.
4. The R-10's various paint schemes were as follows: two-tone grey/
orange (1948-circa 1967), tartar red (1962-circa 1966 on those six
cars
mentioned in part one), navy blue/white with and without blue stripe
(1965-
circa 1970), silver/blue (circa 1970-1988) and dark green with silver
roof
and black front hood (1985-1989 on the GOH Westinghouse units only).
5. The only remaining R-10 cars in existence are: #3184 (restored
"museum" car at Coney Island Yard) and #3189 (R.C.I. Yard-School
Training
Car at Pitkin Yard). The last R-10 car to be removed from NYCTA
property
was #3081, which was the only surviving G.E.-equipped unit in
existence.
Also, #1575 (the prototype car rebuilt from an R-7A in 1947) is at the
New
York Transit Museum in Brooklyn. The bulk of the scrapping of the
remain-
ing R-10 cars ended in June 1990.
I should all about the R-10 cars in particular...they are my all-time
favorite New York City subway car fleet, and I still miss them to this
day!!!
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
ERA #5783
New York, NY
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Posted by Garfield on June 12, 1997 at 18:11:00:
If anyone ever rides the J or Z train Manhattan bound just passing the
Eastern Parkway stop, the Transit Authority has a middle track in
place that's not in service to trains. The extra piece of middle track
stretches far from Eastern Pkwy to Marcy Ave. It would a great idea if
the Transit Authority or whomever is in charge of the line add express
service from Marcy Ave all the way to Eastern Pkwy instead of the
track just lying there accumulating rust. Face it, it will be a about
20 minute commute from Broad St. to Eastern Pkwy instead of 40 minutes
presently.
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Posted by Garfield on June 12, 1997 at 18:11:22:
If anyone ever rides the J or Z train Manhattan bound just passing the
Eastern Parkway stop, the Transit Authority has a middle track in
place that's not in service to trains. The extra piece of middle track
stretches far from Eastern Pkwy to Marcy Ave. It would a great idea if
the Transit Authority or whomever is in charge of the line add express
service from Marcy Ave all the way to Eastern Pkwy instead of the
track just lying there accumulating rust. Face it, it will be a about
20 minute commute from Broad St. to Eastern Pkwy instead of 40 minutes
presently.
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Posted by Zack on June 12, 1997 at 19:20:11:
In Reply to: [6]Haven't seen you in 10 years. posted by Bill: The Dodo
on June 12, 1997 at 16:32:49:
i think you are talking about the R-33 cars
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on June 12, 1997 at 19:22:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sea Beach Line posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997
at 16:13:25:
Air Conditioning mabye?
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PREVIOUS>1919
POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on June 12, 1997 at 19:33:06:
In Reply to: [6]I GOTZ A QUESTION HEA! posted by Name on June 12, 1997
at 16:23:58:
I'd have to tell you holms...by the way you talk id have to say you
live in the subway.Just wondering,are you meaning to talk like an
idiot or are you really that stupid sounding?
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PREVIOUS>1912
POSTER>Bryan Layne
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SUBJECT>Re: Elevated Stations
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Posted by Bryan Layne on June 12, 1997 at 19:37:49:
In Reply to: [5]Elevated Stations posted by Timothy on June 12, 1997
at 16:09:18:
Maybe there could be a section of NEW YORK SUBWAY RESOURCES with
pictures of various elevated station designs throughout the
system..........
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 12, 1997 at 19:39:07:
In Reply to: [5]Haven't seen you in 10 years. posted by Bill: The Dodo
on June 12, 1997 at 16:32:49:
The stainless steel cars you are referring to are called R-44 and
R-46, and they operate on the BMT/IND (the lettered routes). The were
rebuilt in the late 1980s, but the blue band is gone and other than
that, they cosmetically stayed the same. A lot has changed since 1987.
The last of the BMT/IND LAHT cars were retired from service in early
1993, but the IRT Redbirds are still running. A couple of new cars are
the R-68 (similar in appearance to the R-44 and R-46, but they were
built as singles and have a sharper curve on the side). The R-62s,
which are the stainless steel cars for the IRT completed delivery
about the same time that you left New York. A newer train is the
R-110A and R-110B (which are test trains and the test bed for the
future R-142 and R-143 subway car order). Also, all the graffitti is
gone. Another train that has been completely overhauled are the R-32s
(they were the ones with the blue doors and the straight, fluted
sides). If you haven't seen a rebuilt R-32 or R-38, you probably won't
recognize them and think they were a new train. The doors have been
replaced with stainless steel doors, the interiors have been
completely redone. Colors were changed from light blue and white to
beige and gray. The fan-like air conditioning ducts have been replaced
by two small vents running the length of the car on the ceiling. The
light arrangement has also been changes and the straps have been
replaced by bars. The same rebuilding job has been done to the R-40s
(the ones with the slanted front) and the R-42s (the ones that were
slightly bent on the sides). Also, all of the LAHT cars have been
repainted in red (some of them were green in the 1980s, but no trains
are currently painted in that color). The cars that have been retired
from service between 1987 and now are these: the R-10s (BMT/IND cars
with the small roof), R-12s and R-14s (IRT version of the R-10), R-16s
(BMT/IND cars with the circular windows on the end doors), R-17s (IRT
version of the R-16), R-21s and R-22s (IRT trains with the drop-sash
windows on the end doors), and the R-27s and R-30s (similar to the
R-16s, except that the seating is all-longitudinal and the end windows
are square and don't open). Another thing: the drop-sash windows (like
school bus windows) have been replaced on the majority of the LAHT
cars with windows that have small, vents that hinge inward at the top
of the window.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on June 12, 1997 at 19:40:55:
In Reply to: [6]Haven't seen you in 10 years. posted by Bill: The Dodo
on June 12, 1997 at 16:32:49:
I think you might mean the R-44 or R-46's.....they are stainless
steal,but they dont have the blue stripe on the side anymore.
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PREVIOUS>1928
POSTER>John
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Posted by John on June 12, 1997 at 19:41:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I GOTZ A QUESTION HEA! posted by Name on June 12,
1997 at 16:40:47:
My man, it's a JOKE!! Wake up and smell the coffee for crying out
loud!
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POSTER>Adam Weiss
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Posted by Adam Weiss on June 12, 1997 at 19:48:04:
I'm wondering if anybody has signs from the subway that they would
like to sell. I am willing to look at almost any type of sign that
anybody has for sale. I'm especially interested in the long
rectangular station name signs that usually hang from the ceiling. I'm
also wondering where to find out about subway auctions where they
auction off old signs and the like. I was at one in the Transit Museum
a few years ago but haven't been able to find one since. Anyone who
would like to contact me about signs can reach me directly at
adw7@cornell.edu
Thanks!
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PREVIOUS>1932
POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at 19:52:12:
In Reply to: [5]Re: I GOTZ A QUESTION HEA! posted by John on June 12,
1997 at 16:31:35:
No Jon, you forget one thing. Internet is also at Bway Jnction and
remember, the Internet at the World Trade Center is provided by PATH
and so, as expected it is cheaper due to heavy subsidies...
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POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Re: NYC Subway screen saver ideas
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Posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at 20:02:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway screen saver ideas posted by Brian W on
June 11, 1997 at 19:45:25:
That's a good idea, TO is an interesting tube, kinda old yet modern
and
clean. I want to ask three things though while I'm on the topic of
TO's tube.
1)The 216new T-1 cars being built by bombardier, as of now how many
trainsets have been accepted by the ttc? Do the T-1s make up the
standard
6 car consist? Or will trains be either shorter or longer than
existing trains?
2)When is the TTC retiring the M-Series trains? I was on a couple M's
over
the summer (on the Y-U-S) and they seemed in good condition.
3)When the T-1s go into service, will they be only used on the Y-U-S,
or will they venture onto the Bloor-Danforth? (I HATE the H series
trains currently used on the BD, blech, orange...)
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POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Re: Welded Rail - Facts, to set the record straight
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Posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at 20:08:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Facts posted by M.J.S. on June 12,
1997 at 16:00:16:
OK!! ENOUGH ABOUT ANKARA!!! Listen, I just mentioned Ankara as an
argument against someones theory that welded rail can only
be as long as a signal block; I was using Ankara as an example
of Moving Block Signalling!! (SELTRAC) It was an example! I don't even
know if Ankara is in service yet! Maybe if i wanted to talk about
Moving Block signalling I would have mentioned Vancouver, then no one
would have cared...
(Ah, the problem with living in a small city is that you must learn
to love an equally small rapid transit system... *sigh*)
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997 at 21:51:31:
In Reply to: [6]J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ??? posted by Garfield on June
12, 1997 at 18:11:00:
It would be a great Idea to extend the express service to Eastern Pkwy
(it already runs between Marcy Avenue and Myrtle Avenue).
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POSTER>Bill=Dodo
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Posted by Bill=Dodo on June 12, 1997 at 21:55:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Haven't seen you in 10 years. posted by Bryan
Layne on June 12, 1997 at 19:40:55:
Awww, the blue stripes gave the trains personality, but I also
remember other trains with the stripes, have all stripes been removed?
How about the "RedBirds" (that's how I think they're called) are they
still around? Hopefully some steel cars are there.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997 at 22:00:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sea Beach Line posted by Zack on June 12, 1997 at
19:22:54:
All of them have Air Conditioning now. If he meant with ACing he
wouldn't have said anything
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POSTER>name
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Posted by name on June 12, 1997 at 22:01:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I GOTZ A QUESTION HEA! posted by Bryan Layne on
June 12, 1997 at 19:33:06:
HEY, I REEZENT THAT.
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997 at 22:05:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded Rail - Facts, to set the record straight
posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at 20:08:11:
No, lets please continue talking about Ankara. Did you know that
before 1930 it was called Angora?...
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PREVIOUS>1860
POSTER>Nathan
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Posted by Nathan on June 13, 1997 at 00:18:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Routes n' stuff posted by Andrew Byler on June
11, 1997 at 10:23:39:
What they should have done in the first place, to keep the Westside
Line in a state that it could be used again if demand arises, was
build
over the tracks, when I say this I mean have the building straddle the
el tracks! I've seen this done before, it makes the building look more
modern,
and it would have made sense to keep this corridor in a state that it
could be reactivated.
One thing though, is the TA planning on doing any el-structure
replacements? They could free up a lot space (that's currently being
taken up by iron girders and other old, metal support structures) if
the TA
decided to upgrade older el-lines, by perhaps using newer, concrete
"guideway" (still trying to figure out why the damn word is used).
This could only be done a little at a time, as the traffic disruptions
would be immense...
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POSTER>max
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Posted by max on June 13, 1997 at 02:23:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ??? posted by M.J.S. on June
12, 1997 at 21:51:31:
Even better, here's something that can be done to service central
Queens.
There are old abandon tracks that run by the "A" train as it leaves
the Rockaways spur. It would be great to have a new train loop joining
the J or E at Parsons/Archer, tying into the IRT and the A. If the A
can be tied into the G past Hoyt (there is no crossover at
Hoyt-Schermerhorn), central/se Queens would be serviced much better.
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POSTER>Frank Gatazka
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on June 13, 1997 at 07:28:38:
In Reply to: [6]IND Station Tile Colors posted by Peggy Darlington on
June 10, 1997 at 20:26:00:
When the IND original 8th Avenue - Washington Heights line was built
in 1932, it utilized a color guide for the station tile colors. This
was to assist passengers in locating their station(s). This was
followed on all subsequent construction through 1946. The "base"
station is West 4th Street, with routes radiating outward. All local
stops followed the color of the PREVIOUS express stop. Stations with
side platforms had a two color stripe and two color name entablature.
Island station platforms have a color stripe on the opposite wall
only. Of course there are exceptions! 175th and 207th Street Stations
on the Washington Heights Line have no color tiles, local stops from
23 St. to 163 St. and 181, 191, and 200-Dyckman Sts. did not use a
color stripe. Fordham Road on the Concourse line uses both the name
tablets and stripes. On lines that have no express service, such as
the Crosstown Line, the colors USUALLY change at transfer points or
major stations. Space does not permit me to list the entire color
code, however, you can work that out for yourself if you ride enough
of the lines. Construction post 1946 did not uniformally follow this
color system.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 13, 1997 at 08:11:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Create your subway routes! posted by Jay Yudof on
June 12, 1997 at 16:36:46:
Probably a move from Coney Island to the 7 line. Broadway is the only
access. As I have said several times before, you can't save enough
time on the express tracks to make using them worthwhile, since the
move gets dumped back on the local tracks at 57th anyway.
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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SUBJECT>Re: (Yet) Another R-10 Question
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 13, 1997 at 08:21:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Another R-10 Question posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON
on June 12, 1997 at 16:55:16:
Do R-10 run in multiple unit with anything else? Obviously there
aren't enough cars for a Historic train like the Low-Vs, R-1to9s or D
types. These were a transitional fleet and well remembered for their
unique appearance and their many years on the 'A' train.
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PREVIOUS>1942
POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 13, 1997 at 08:40:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Routes n' stuff posted by Nathan on June 13,
1997 at 00:18:23:
In my opinion the open deck steel el is a far better match for NYC
streets than the concrete structures being built elsewhere. To begin
with the open deck track allows a reasonable amount of light to filter
down to the street below. The 'modern' concrete variety is solid, an
uninterrupted shadow. The solid deck also serves as a sounding board,
amplifying the train's roar rather than dissipating it as the open
deck does. Finally, although the columns on a concrete structure are
fewer in number they are thicker and more obstructive. It would be
rough on a narrow street like Roosevelt Av.
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POSTER>Bingo
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Posted by Bingo on June 13, 1997 at 09:38:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Welded Rail - Real Facts vs. Myths posted by
Nathan on June 11, 1997 at 23:43:23:
Nathan, you may have heard that TO is getting a new subway line
scheduled for completion in the year 2002. It's the Sheppard-Yonge
line, and it is being constructed right along where I live. It will be
built entirely with floating track, will run to Don Mills Rd., (They
needed to include a suburban, ass-tight, teeny-boppery hangout mall at
the end of the route)and will have a connection with GO at Leslie
station. 216 T-1 Bombardier Compagnie cars have been purchased, and
some have arrived and are now in service. They're really quiet because
they run on AC motors. When the thing is parked at a station, it goes
completely silent!
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PREVIOUS>1758
POSTER>Bingo
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Posted by Bingo on June 13, 1997 at 10:16:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What are interlocking signals? posted by Nathan on
June 07, 1997 at 15:36:00:
The accident occured between Dupont and St. Clair West Stations. But
it was the brand of signal that did them in, not the type of
signalling system. The signals that were installed in the Spadina line
tube in 1976 were manufactured by Ericsson of Sweden. The TTC
consigned Ericsson because their signals were cheaper than those being
offered by Canadian and American companies. However, the signals had
to be modified for TTC standards. The triparm, which was originally
designed to be in the middle of the track, was moved to just inside
the right rail. TTC totally fucked up the modification, however, and
through stupid bureaucracy and mismanagement, the error went
unnoticed. A grease nipple was implemented into the design to
compensate for a bolt which would slow the triparm down before it hit
a leather cushion. That nipple just overhanged onto the running rail
surface, but not by much. When the fatal train ran the red light, the
triparm did'nt trip. The wheel hit the nipple, forcing the triparm
down, and by the time it made it's way up again, the emergency trip
had already passed by. The accident cost 3 lives, the largest toll in
TTC history.
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PREVIOUS>1935
POSTER>Bingo
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SUBJECT>Re: NYC Subway screen saver ideas
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Posted by Bingo on June 13, 1997 at 11:09:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway screen saver ideas posted by Nathan on
June 12, 1997 at 20:02:46:
1) So far there are 4 full 6-car trains in service, and 1 train still
in testing. The testing pisses me off because what they did was pull
the train in, open the doors on the other side!!! teasing the
passengers on the platform, and took off. They did this with all the
trains aforementioned. The Sheppard line will be running 4 car trains
after the line opens. When rider demand increases, 6 car trains will
be added. That's all I know.
2) The MLW (Montreal Locomotive Works) trains have been running for,
in my opinion, nostalgia purposes only. It was the first train to be
designed and built in Canada, and set the industry standard. There is
only one 8 car set running on the Bloor-Danforth line, and it never
ventures onto the Yonge-University line.
3) The T-1's were specifically purchased to meet the Sheppard Lines
demand and modernize the TTC's rolling stock. The TTC is currently in
the process of phasing out the old H-3 (grey/blue interior) cars which
are not air conditioned and make for a real-life Dante's peak when
going for long rides during the summer. The H-(?)s are unfortunately
the standard on the Bloor line, and will not be replaced. But I've
always thought the disgusting wood-grain and orange palette served to
you on the H-5's were much more Trudeau-esque and hence, vomit
inducing.
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NEXT>1954
PREVIOUS>1943
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ???
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:41 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 13, 1997 at 11:56:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ??? posted by max on June
13, 1997 at 02:23:26:
The old LIRR Rockaway Line doesn't come in anywhere near the Archer
Avenue Line. As for tying into the IRT, I've said it once and I'll say
it again: IRT AND BMT/IND EQUIPMENT IS NOT COMPATIBLE
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PREVIOUS>1941
POSTER>M.J.S.
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DATE>Jun 21 13:10:41 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 13, 1997 at 11:57:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Welded Rail - Facts, to set the record straight
posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997 at 22:05:33:
Ok, just forget it. I don't like this anymore.
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PREVIOUS>1947
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: New Routes n' stuff
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:42 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 13, 1997 at 12:02:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Routes n' stuff posted by Nathan on June 13,
1997 at 00:18:23:
Why replace something that has worked for 100 years and still works?
If the MTA builds new els, then they can go with your strange ideas.
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NEXT>1979
PREVIOUS>1951
POSTER>Peter Rosa
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DATE>Jun 21 13:10:43 1997
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 13, 1997 at 12:41:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ??? posted by M.J.S. on June
13, 1997 at 11:56:14:
Even though it doesn't come close to Archer Avenue, the old LIRR
Rockaway line is far from useless. Among other things, it could be
used to provide train service to JFK airport, or it could be tied into
the Queens Blvd. subway lines to provide more cross-borough service.
There probably are many other possibilities as well. Even though the
line has been abandoned for many years, most if not all of the
right-of-way is still intact.
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Charles
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DATE>Jun 21 13:10:44 1997
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Posted by Charles on June 13, 1997 at 14:25:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Sea Beach Line posted by M.J.S. on June 12, 1997
at 16:13:25:
Yes I mean AC Motors. I am trying to find out what the TA is doing
with the tracks themselves.
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PREVIOUS>1923
POSTER>Dave Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: R-10
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:45 1997
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at 15:29:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 12, 1997
at 17:29:10:
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the informative summary. I hope you don't mind that I put
some of the information you posted onto the R10 roster page. I would
have emailed you directly but you didn't post your email address.
--Dave
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NEXT>1965
PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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SUBJECT>Subtalk via NNTP?
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:46 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on June 13, 1997 at
Hello,
Is there any interest in having SubTalk run as an NNTP newsgroup? I
could set up a local server and you all could just point your web
browser's news reader at it. It would maintain threads a little better
and your browser would take care of the "archiving" of posts you've
already read.
Ideas? Thoughts?
--Dave
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Phil Dominguez
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SUBJECT>IRT Model R110 Subway Cars
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:47 1997
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Posted by Phil Dominguez on June 13, 1997 at 15:43:13:
I was sickened to find that there were no photos of the R110A's
Why wern't there any? Those are the coolest cars!
Please E-mail your reply soon.
Love,
Phil Dominguez
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PREVIOUS>1958
POSTER>Phil Dominguez
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SUBJECT>IRT Model R110 Subway Cars
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Posted by Phil Dominguez on June 13, 1997 at 15:43:22:
I was sickened to find that there were no photos of the R110A's
Why wern't there any? Those are the coolest cars!
Please E-mail your reply soon.
Love,
Phil Dominguez
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NEXT>1961
PREVIOUS>1946
POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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SUBJECT>Re: (Yet) Another R-10 Question
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:49 1997
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 13, 1997 at 16:40:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: (Yet) Another R-10 Question posted by Gerry
O'Regan on June 13, 1997 at 08:21:44:
The R-10 cars were normally operated with other units of the same
design
usually in solid trains. They can, and had been, operated with other
newer
cars (i.e. R-16 to R-42 models) because they are compatible with the
same
SMEE type electrical and ME-42 braking systems. The R-10 cars had 4
motors
per 100 M.P.H. each car, where as all the pre-WWII units and R-7A
prototype
car #1575 had 2 motors at 190 M.P.H. each car (in other words, there
were
never any mixed consists of that sort at all and not even be in any
given consideration). All cars before the R-10's has AMUE ME-23 type
systems.
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
E.R.A. #5783
New York, N.Y.
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POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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SUBJECT>Re: (Yet) Another R-10 Question
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 13, 1997 at 16:41:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: (Yet) Another R-10 Question posted by Gerry
O'Regan on June 13, 1997 at 08:21:44:
The R-10 cars were normally operated with other units of the same
design
usually in solid trains. They can, and had been, operated with other
newer
cars (i.e. R-16 to R-42 models) because they are compatible with the
same
SMEE type electrical and ME-42 braking systems. The R-10 cars had 4
motors
per 100 M.P.H. each car, where as all the pre-WWII units and R-7A
prototype
car #1575 had 2 motors at 190 M.P.H. each car (in other words, there
were
never any mixed consists of that sort at all and not even be in any
given consideration). All cars before the R-10's has AMUE ME-23 type
systems.
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
E.R.A. #5783
New York, N.Y.
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NEXT>1963
PREVIOUS>1956
POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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SUBJECT>Re: R-10
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 13, 1997 at 17:14:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Dave Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at
15:29:01:
To Dave:
You have my permission to use any information I submit from the
SubTalk
Page to update on data of the R-10's, my all-time favorite New York
City subway car fleet. However, I do not have a current e-mail address
at this time...but I am working on it soon!
For a better clarification, these facts should be really noted:
1. The R-10's sported a "turguiose" [sky] blue and white with and
without a white belt paint scheme from circa 1965 to 1970.
2. Car #3192 was never "stretched" to be a prototype 75-foot model;
R-1 car #192 however was!!!
3. The car side windows opened and operated in the same manner as the
R-1/9 to R-27/30 units, but they were each one long glass panel didn't
open
all the way down.
4. The R-10's GOH rehabilation program between December 1984 to
February 1986 was simply an interim measure to get the entire car
fleet in
a non-graffiti state and await the ultimate arrival and replacement by
the
R-68/68A's based to the satisfaction of the NYCTA. The rehabilation of
each
one of the 110 R-10's was done in-house at a cost of $65,000.
I will keep you and this Sub-Talk Page posted on any R-10 information
that needs to be answered in the future.
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
E.R.A. #5783
New York, NY
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PREVIOUS>1962
POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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SUBJECT>Re: R-10
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 13, 1997 at 17:15:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Dave Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at
15:29:01:
To Dave:
You have my permission to use any information I submit from the
SubTalk
Page to update on data of the R-10's, my all-time favorite New York
City subway car fleet. However, I do not have a current e-mail address
at this time...but I am working on it soon!
For a better clarification, these facts should be really noted:
1. The R-10's sported a "turguiose" [sky] blue and white with and
without a white belt paint scheme from circa 1965 to 1970.
2. Car #3192 was never "stretched" to be a prototype 75-foot model;
R-1 car #192 however was!!!
3. The car side windows opened and operated in the same manner as the
R-1/9 to R-27/30 units, but they were each one long glass panel didn't
open
all the way down.
4. The R-10's GOH rehabilation program between December 1984 to
February 1986 was simply an interim measure to get the entire car
fleet in
a non-graffiti state and await the ultimate arrival and replacement by
the
R-68/68A's based to the satisfaction of the NYCTA. The rehabilation of
each
one of the 110 R-10's was done in-house at a cost of $65,000.
I will keep you and this Sub-Talk Page posted on any R-10 information
that needs to be answered in the future.
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
E.R.A. #5783
New York, NY
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PREVIOUS>1963
POSTER>WILLIAM A. PADRON
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SUBJECT>Re: R-10
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:54 1997
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Posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 13, 1997 at 17:16:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-10 posted by Dave Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at
15:29:01:
To Dave:
You have my permission to use any information I submit from the
SubTalk
Page to update on data of the R-10's, my all-time favorite New York
City subway car fleet. However, I do not have a current e-mail address
at this time...but I am working on it soon!
For a better clarification, these facts should be really noted:
1. The R-10's sported a "turguiose" [sky] blue and white with and
without a white belt paint scheme from circa 1965 to 1970.
2. Car #3192 was never "stretched" to be a prototype 75-foot model;
R-1 car #192 however was!!!
3. The car side windows opened and operated in the same manner as the
R-1/9 to R-27/30 units, but they were each one long glass panel didn't
open
all the way down.
4. The R-10's GOH rehabilation program between December 1984 to
February 1986 was simply an interim measure to get the entire car
fleet in
a non-graffiti state and await the ultimate arrival and replacement by
the
R-68/68A's based to the satisfaction of the NYCTA. The rehabilation of
each
one of the 110 R-10's was done in-house at a cost of $65,000.
I will keep you and this Sub-Talk Page posted on any R-10 information
that needs to be answered in the future.
Sincerely,
WILLIAM A. PADRON
E.R.A. #5783
New York, NY
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NEXT>1967
PREVIOUS>1957
POSTER>BRYAN Layne
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk via NNTP?
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:54 1997
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Posted by BRYAN Layne on June 13, 1997 at 18:47:17:
In Reply to: [5]Subtalk via NNTP? posted by David Pirmann - Web Site
Host on June 13, 1997 at 15:32:46:
I kinda like this personally.
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PREVIOUS>1911
POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH Subway System
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:55 1997
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Posted by Andrew Huie on June 13, 1997 at 20:31:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Subway System posted by Mark S Feinman on
June 12, 1997 at 12:33:09:
re: former 'K' portion of the Chrystie St connection
When I was taking the F train northbound into Bway-Lafayette, I saw
sheet metal where the tunnel should be. Do they ever intend to use it,
even for work trains, or will they tear it up completely?
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NEXT>1973
PREVIOUS>1965
POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk via NNTP?
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:56 1997
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on June 13, 1997 at 20:40:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subtalk via NNTP? posted by BRYAN Layne on June
13, 1997 at 18:47:17:
I agree with Bryan-------This has a more local flavor to it---Keeps it
a little more personal--PLUS--If you have it on NN, what would be the
incentive for people to venture into the other parts of the site?
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NEXT>2015
PREVIOUS>1929
POSTER>Dave Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Elevated Stations
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:57 1997
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at 21:02:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Elevated Stations posted by Bryan Layne on June
12, 1997 at 19:37:49:
We got the space-- you up for a field trip? :)
--Dave
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NEXT>1977
PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Nathan
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SUBJECT>Toronto Tube (was Re: NYC screen saver ideas...
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:58 1997
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Posted by Nathan on June 13, 1997 at 21:46:51:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway screen saver ideas posted by Bingo on
June 13, 1997 at 11:09:37:
ACK!!! ATTACK OF THE EIGHTIES COLOUR SCHEME!!!
I got some material from bombardier, basically a massive glossey nice
covered adverisement to transit agencies, but It was talking about the
various rapid transit cars they have manufactured.
Ugghh!! The first demonstration ALRV (4900) was, yes, ORANGE!!!
The TTC weant mad with Trudeau *vomits* style colours, the interiour
of the GO Trains -orange, the interior of the Bloor Subway cars
-orange...
At least the blue-grey interiours of the H-3's are nice to look at,
I'd rather ride those instead of the gross H-5's and 6's.
Two things though:
1)Does the TTC have any of the old G-trains on property? Maybe for the
system's 50th birthday in 2006 they (TTC) should look into painting a
T-1
train in the old, red scheme (avec gold racing stripe) at least those
cars
had dignity!!!!
2)I'm going to be in TO this summer, and I haven't rode a streetcar
since about 1984. What subway stations connect with streetcar lines?
(Specifically the 501 queen, never been on an ALRV)
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NEXT>1971
PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Peggy Darlington
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SUBJECT>IRT Track Connections to BMT/IND
DATE>Jun 21 13:10:59 1997
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Posted by Peggy Darlington on June 13, 1997 at 22:21:10:
Rceently I rode the Low-V trip to Rockaway and have one question?
How did the IRT trains get to the IND /BMT Track. There has to be
track connections somewhere. I know the 7 connects with the N at
Queensboro Plaza because they shop the 7 line cars at Coney island but
what about the mainline IRT.
ps-Thanks for the IND tile answer!
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PREVIOUS>1970
POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT Track Connections to BMT/IND
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:00 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at 22:47:18:
In Reply to: [6]IRT Track Connections to BMT/IND posted by Peggy
Darlington on June 13, 1997 at 22:21:10:
There is an article discussing this in [7]News Posts Index.
--Dave
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>55th anniversary of death of 2nd Ave El.
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:01 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at 22:49:02:
UPN 9 news ran a story tonight (6/13/97) about a news conference that
was held at City Hall which commemorated the passing of the 2nd Avenue
El 55 years ago, and to reiterate the need for the construction of the
2nd Avenue Subway.
So the idea isn't dead!
--Dave
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NEXT>2028
PREVIOUS>1967
POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk via NNTP?
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:02 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at 23:11:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subtalk via NNTP? posted by Mark Greenwald on June
13, 1997 at 20:40:33:
There are a few benefits that i see...
1. The record of what you've seen is managed by your newsreader (tin,
netscape, etc.), so the list of articles when you call it up just
shows you what's new.
2. Threads will be preserved in old articles.
3. The existing archived posts can be injected into nntp such that
they are maintained in thread order if your newsreader supports
threads (most do nowadays).
The articles wouldn't be distributed to the Usenet-at-large, but you'd
use the same software to access them.
--Dave
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Sammy
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SUBJECT>A train
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:03 1997
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Posted by Sammy on June 14, 1997 at 07:20:11:
Can anyone tell me where that old spur for the LIRR Rockaway branch
runs?
I notice it by the A train when we turn and go towards the Rockaways.
Also, when new subway cars are shipped in, where do they enter the
system?
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POSTER>Charles
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DATE>Jun 21 13:11:04 1997
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Posted by Charles on June 14, 1997 at 09:22:04:
In Reply to: [6]A train posted by Sammy on June 14, 1997 at 07:20:11:
In response to your second question, New subway cars are delivered
near thrhrough the south Brooklyn railway cut near the 36 St. and 4th
avenue station on the West End line. They typically go to Coney Island
Yard for pre-service inspection.
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POSTER>Bingo
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SUBJECT>Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:05 1997
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Posted by Bingo on June 14, 1997 at 12:09:32:
In Reply to: [5]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Nathan on June 07, 1997 at 22:13:48:
There is this new vandal-resistant material that is available now, and
it works well. It resists everything, from spraypaint to magic markers
to gum, whatever. It's manufactured by 3M.
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PREVIOUS>1969
POSTER>Bingo
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SUBJECT>Re: Toronto Tube (was Re: NYC screen saver ideas...
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:06 1997
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Posted by Bingo on June 14, 1997 at 12:24:45:
In Reply to: [5]Toronto Tube (was Re: NYC screen saver ideas... posted
by Nathan on June 13, 1997 at 21:46:51:
The G cars were nice, weren't they? They always reminded me of
Christmas (green and red interior) There are no G cars which I know of
on property. Even the legendary car 5000 was scrapped! (Gasp) There
are a couple of them at the Halton Rail Museum, which my friend Brian
W. has visited. talk to him.
Subway connections with streetcars. Keele, Englinton West (very cool),
Bathurst, and soon Spadina, (new Spadina LRT) That's all that comes to
mind right now. The 501 doesn't go to any station, it just goes to
these two loop things at each end of the line. It's a fun ride, going
by High Park and along the GO line, and you can ride it free of charge
during rush hours (Proof of Payment). They've changed the interior of
them GO trains to blue and white after this woman was like, raped, and
they had to install the push-strip alarm system on all the cars (Gee,
let's change the whole disgusting interior so it will be a pleasant
environment for the next raping)
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PREVIOUS>1964
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: R-10
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:07 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 12:30:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-10 posted by WILLIAM A. PADRON on June 13, 1997
at 17:16:24:
This is completely off topic, but there are free E-mail services:
1. Juno: [7]www.juno.com (This requires software downlaod but does
NOT need an internet connection)
2. Hotmail: [8]www.hotmail.com (This needs a web browser because it
is accessed directly from the web)
3. Geocities: [9]www.geocities.com (This isn't really a E-mail
service, it's a free webpage(s) service so you need to maintain a
webpage or a set of them. Another Catch: You need a working E-mail
outside of GeoCities to be and stay a member, so this probably
isn't for you)
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PREVIOUS>1954
POSTER>M.J.S.
EMAIL>
SUBJECT>Re: J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ???
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:08 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 12:35:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ??? posted by Peter Rosa on
June 13, 1997 at 12:41:49:
Just to clear this up: I never said the Rockaway Line was useless and
I am not familiar with the details of the area so I'm not qualified to
make that judgment.
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POSTER>Bob Wr
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SUBJECT>Re: Portland MAX
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:08 1997
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Posted by Bob Wr on June 14, 1997 at 12:50:47:
In Reply to: [6]Portland MAX posted by Nathan on June 12, 1997 at
14:00:36:
Have you tried contacting Tri-Met's website www.tri-met.org? It has
lots of useful information.
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PREVIOUS>1976
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:09 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 12:53:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: DISBAND THE WASTEFUL MTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted by
Bingo on June 14, 1997 at 12:09:32:
Is there such a material for seat upholstery?
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PREVIOUS>1959
POSTER>Nick
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:10 1997
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Posted by Nick on June 14, 1997 at 14:53:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on June 13, 1997 at 15:52:13:
Your right, those cars are pretty cool! There's both an interior and
exterior pic of it in the "New York City Subway Cars" Book. It shows
the r110a running as the #2 train. Perhaps someone should scan those
pics on here... -NICK
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PREVIOUS>1982
POSTER>Nick
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars
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Posted by Nick on June 14, 1997 at 14:53:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars posted by David Pirmann
on June 13, 1997 at 15:52:13:
Your right, those cars are pretty cool! There's both an interior and
exterior pic of it in the "New York City Subway Cars" Book. It shows
the r110a running as the #2 train. Perhaps someone should scan those
pics on here... -NICK
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PREVIOUS>1971
POSTER>Peter Rosa
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT Track Connections to BMT/IND
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:12 1997
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Posted by Peter Rosa on June 14, 1997 at 17:40:09:
In Reply to: [6]IRT Track Connections to BMT/IND posted by Peggy
Darlington on June 13, 1997 at 22:21:10:
Besides the Queensboro Plaza switch for the 7 train, there are two
other connections between the IRT lines and the rest of the system -
at the 207th Street yard in upper Manhattan, and between the
Councourse (D train) and Jerome (4 train) yards in the Bronx.
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POSTER>Brian W
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SUBJECT>Re: Toronto G-trains/streetcar connections/more
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:12 1997
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Posted by Brian W on June 14, 1997 at 19:26:33:
In Reply to: [6]Toronto Tube (was Re: NYC screen saver ideas... posted
by Nathan on June 13, 1997 at 21:46:51:
Bingo asked me to correct his horrible errors for him, as he is now
hanging his head in shame!
1) The grey-blue interior subway cars, previously refered to as H-3's,
are actually called H-1's.
2) Eglinton West, as well as Keele, has no connections with
streetcars. What Bingo meant to say was St. Clair West, which connects
with the 512, and Dundas West, connecting with the 504. Other stations
he'd like to add are: Main St., Broadview, and Union, connecting with
the Harbourfront LRT.
A few other points...
TTC subway's 50th birthday will actually be in 2004, not 2006, since
the first subway line opened in 1954.
There are actually a few G-trains at Davisville and Wilson yards, but
they are the few aluminum silver-coloured ones that supplemented the
red steel ones when the TTC made their original order. They have been
stripped of their dignity and now serving as garbage trains.
Painting a T-1 red is an excellent idea, especially if they would do
this to T-1 #5000, since G #5000 was THE first car to arrive in
Toronto, in 1952, and has now been unceremoniously scrapped.
Be sure, Nathan, when you are in Toronto, to pick up a TTC Ride Guide.
It lists everything about the system, has a complete route map, it's
free, and available at most collector booths on the subway.
Actually, if you want a copy mailed to you, e-mail me your mailing
address at wolk@yesic.com
One more thing, be sure to visit the year-old spectacular Downsview
station. It is at the end of the Spadina Line, and makes a great
ending to a mostly Trudeau-esque portion of the trip. (In fact, while
riding an H-5 through St. Clair West, if you concentrate hard, you
will see Trudeau in his bell-bottoms leading a pack of disco dancers
across the opposite platform to the song "Disco Inferno".)
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NEXT>1991
PREVIOUS>1983
POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:13 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 14, 1997 at 19:31:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars posted by Nick on June
14, 1997 at 14:53:17:
> Perhaps someone should scan those pics on here...
Perhaps someone should do some reading on Copyright Law.
There are a few pictures on this site that were in the Greller book or
other books but they came to us by different sources. Sitting down
with his book and a scanner isn't something that would go over
well....
Besides the legality issue I'm sure Mr. Greller (whom I've met) would
not appreciate his hard work being reproduced on the web for free. The
last thing we need are people in the business upset with us.
--Dave
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Brian W
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SUBJECT>Toronto H-6's
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Posted by Brian W on June 14, 1997 at 19:40:28:
Nathan, you mentioned earlier something about H-6's. What is an H-6 ?
Do you mean the ones manufactured by UTDC that run on the
Bloor-Danforth line with the reddish-orange doors?
Also, is there such thing as an H-2, H-3 and H-4?
One of these must be the ones that run on both lines that are mostly
wood-grain, have numbers 55xx and early 56xx, and have nice vinyl
cushy bench seats that, as Bingo says, "are sooooooo good on one's
ass.", What are those called?
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Brian W
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SUBJECT>Subtalk and Pictures
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:15 1997
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Posted by Brian W on June 14, 1997 at 19:51:20:
I noticed earlier that David Pirmann included a picture of his own
route ideas. How do you include a picture with your message?
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PREVIOUS>1972
POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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SUBJECT>Re: 55th anniversary of death of 2nd Ave El.
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:16 1997
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on June 14, 1997 at 20:01:57:
In Reply to: [6]55th anniversary of death of 2nd Ave El. posted by
David Pirmann on June 13, 1997 at 22:49:02:
Yes, but the best incentive to replace an eyesore is the eyesore
itself! Fifty five years without Second Av. and forty two without
Third Av. and there's still only one rapid transit service on the east
side.
Of course, if they lasted this long, they'd be preserved as landmarks
by now with all the Victorian gingerbread and permanent fixtures.
By 1960 there would have been so much pressure to build 2nd. Av Subway
that Mayor Lindsay would have been out there himself with a shovel!
And John might really have gotten to ride over the Queensboro Bridge.
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PREVIOUS>1988
POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk and Pictures
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 14, 1997 at 21:39:22:
In Reply to: [6]Subtalk and Pictures posted by Brian W on June 14,
1997 at 19:51:20:
Trick of the trade!
Seriously, any HTML markup in the "Comments" box of a Subtalk entry is
preserved. So you could say
would include the image at that URL. You have to have the image on a
web server to begin with, though.
You can do any sort of link you want -- etc.
--Dave
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PREVIOUS>1986
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:18 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 22:37:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT Model R110 Subway Cars posted by Nick on June
14, 1997 at 14:53:17:
Is there a VRML view of subway cars (including the new R142) on the
net? Now that would be cool.
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PREVIOUS>1990
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk and Pictures
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:19 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 22:43:27:
In Reply to: [6]Subtalk and Pictures posted by Brian W on June 14,
1997 at 19:51:20:
You insert the folowing tag:
[INLINE] where the path is where you put the image. (This is a
standard HTML tag)
BTW, what happens if I were to put FRAMESET tags, or JavaScript into
the messages?
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PREVIOUS>1992
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk and Pictures
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:19 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 22:45:04:
In Reply to: [6]Subtalk and Pictures posted by Brian W on June 14,
1997 at 19:51:20:
There was an error so I had to repost:
You insert the folowing tag:
[INLINE] where the path is where you put the image. (This is a
standard HTML tag). The problem was I forgot to use escape sequences
and browsers took the tag literally.
BTW, what happens if I were to put FRAMESET tags, or JavaScript into
the messages?
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PREVIOUS>1993
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk and Pictures
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:20 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 22:45:20:
In Reply to: [6]Subtalk and Pictures posted by Brian W on June 14,
1997 at 19:51:20:
There was an error so I had to repost:
You insert the folowing tag:
[INLINE] where the path is where you put the image. (This is a
standard HTML tag). The problem was I forgot to use escape sequences
and browsers took the tag literally.
BTW, what happens if I were to put FRAMESET tags, or JavaScript into
the messages?
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PREVIOUS>1994
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Subtalk and Pictures
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:21 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 14, 1997 at 22:47:23:
In Reply to: [6]Subtalk and Pictures posted by Brian W on June 14,
1997 at 19:51:20:
There was an error so I had to repost:
You insert the folowing tag:
< img src= " path " > where the path is where you put the image. (This
is a standard HTML tag). The problem was I forgot to use escape
sequences and browsers took the tag literally.
BTW, what happens if I were to put FRAMESET tags, or JavaScript into
the messages?
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PREVIOUS>0
POSTER>Nick
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SUBJECT>Hey Dave:Please ask Mr. Greller for permissiom
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:22 1997
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Posted by Nick on June 15, 1997 at 00:25:13:
Dave:Your right! The Copyright law is veryimportant;my apologies for
forgetting that. Since you've spoken to him, how about asking him for
permission to scan those pics up. Or send me his e-mail addy and I'll
be more than happy to ask him myself. SORRY AGAIN FOR FORGETTING THE
IMPORTANT STUFF!!-Nick
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PREVIOUS>1996
POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Hey Dave:Please ask Mr. Greller for permissiom
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:23 1997
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Posted by M.J.S. on June 15, 1997 at 00:47:53:
In Reply to: [6]Hey Dave:Please ask Mr. Greller for permissiom posted
by Nick on June 15, 1997 at 00:25:13:
In most situations copyright requests cost money.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
EMAIL>
SUBJECT>Re: Hey Dave:Please ask Mr. Greller for permissiom
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:23 1997
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Posted by David Pirmann on June 15, 1997 at 01:08:09:
In Reply to: [6]Hey Dave:Please ask Mr. Greller for permissiom posted
by Nick on June 15, 1997 at 00:25:13:
I don't actually KNOW him-- I met him at a book signing.
--Dave
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PREVIOUS>1979
POSTER>Pat Villani
EMAIL>
SUBJECT>Re: J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ???
DATE>Jun 21 13:11:24 1997
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Posted by Pat Villani on June 15, 1997 at 07:01:33:
In Reply to: [6]J/Z "EXPRESS" Service ??? posted by Garfield on June
12, 1997 at 18:11:00:
I don't know why they've discontinued the service, but the J train did
run express from Eastern Parkway at least into the late 70's, back
when the J was express during rush hour and the KK was the local.
There were only two stops: Myrtle Avenue and Marcy Avenue.
When the line used to terminate at 168th Street, the volume of riders
from eastern Queens was fairly high. Quite a few people would continue
make a connection to buses serving that area there. I guess that may
have changed now that the route terminates at Parson's and Archer and
the MTA doesn't feel the need is there any longer.
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