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POSTER>Bill Mosteller
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SUBJECT>Re: light bulbs
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on February 28, 1997 at 16:53:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs posted by David J. Greenberger on
February 28, 1997 at 16:16:39:
Another puzzle is why someone would want them? In Boston, they're
street railway bulbs, 120 volts DC. When put on an AC circuit, they
glow dimly, consume more current (I think) than a regular light bulb,
but almost never burn out.
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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SUBJECT>Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR
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Posted by Todd Glickman on March 17, 1997 at 16:50:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by David M.
Razler on March 05, 1997 at 19:49:39:
There was also a station between Hicksville and Syosset on the Port
Jefferson Line, LANDIA. While the platform is gone, there is still
a grass strip on either side of the right-of-way where the station
used
to be, near the first road crossing east of Hicksville. I believe
it closed sometime in the early 60's.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!!
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Posted by David Pirmann on May 15, 1997 at 13:49:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Nathan on May
15, 1997 at 03:41:04:
I believe PATH is planning to place an order of new cars either
late this year or next. This would allow them to scrap the 1964-1967
PA-1 and PA-2 class cars. The PA-3 class cars from 1972 would be
overhauled. Presumably the new cars (PA-5?) would be patterened
after the mid-80's PA-4 series, with three doors per side instead
of two as on the PA-1,2,3 series.
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POSTER>Jim
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Posted by Jim on May 15, 1997 at 13:57:09:
Why is the TA planning to scrap the Corona Redbird fleet when the MDBF
is in excess of 150,000 miles? Does this make sense?
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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SUBJECT>Re: Queensboro Bridge
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on May 15, 1997 at 14:02:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 14, 1997
at 22:43:13:
The 2nd Avenue EL used to have a connection to the Queensboro Bridge
for service to Astoria and Flushing. It was discontinued in the early
40s, I believe. After that, no other trains crossed the bridge. The
last trolley in NY crossed the Queensboro until 1956, I think. There
used to be a stop at the center of the bridge for Welfare (now
Roosevelt) Island.
There are currently no tracks across the Queensboro Bridge, although
some track structure can be seen from the south end of the Queensboro
Plaza station on the N/R/7.
The N/R may have been rerouted onto the North side of the Manhattan
Bridge when you rode it that day for track work. The tracks on the
south side of the Manhattan Brodge have not been used for years as the
MTA awaits DOT work to be completed on the bridge sometime in the next
millenium.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 15, 1997 at 16:45:42:
In Reply to: [5]Red Birds posted by Jim on May 15, 1997 at 13:57:09:
Nope. Absolutly none. Then again, this is the Transit Authority -
nothing they do makes any sense. If they are going to retire the
trains, at least keep them rather than scrapping them, or even better,
ship them to a city that is in need of equipment for a new subway (if
the equipment is compatable).
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: Queensboro Bridge
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Posted by John on May 15, 1997 at 17:00:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Yoon Jae Lee on May
15, 1997 at 01:00:48:
No, guys, no. I'm POSITIVE it was the Queensboro Bridge. You keep
saying that no trains have used it for decades, but I'm telling you -
THE TRAIN I WAS ON DID CROSS THE QUEENSBORO BRIDGE!! I'm sure of it
because I am a New York native and I can pick out any bridge in a
heartbeat. Also, I had boarded at 57th Street, was going to Astoria,
and while crossing the bridge, Roosevelt Island was right below me. So
it was definately the Queensboro Bridge. It wasn't a dream. I wasn't
intoxicated. Was I on some kind of Phantom Train or something?
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Queensboro Bridge
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 15, 1997 at 17:40:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 15, 1997
at 17:00:45:
Maybe your brain mixed some events together, like:
A. Riding the N
B. Riding the RI Tram
C. Riding over a bridge
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POSTER>John
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SUBJECT>Re: Queensboro Bridge
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Posted by John on May 15, 1997 at 21:17:07:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by M.J.S. on May 15, 1997
at 17:40:35:
Maybe my brain mixed up some events? Maybe your's did! I don't mean to
be rude, or anything, but I don't know why it's so hard for you people
to accept that my train crossed the Queensboro Bridge. I am not a
lunitic. I don't have any emotional problems, I don't have a drinking
problem, likewise a drug problem. I am a normal human being and I
definatley did not mix up any events, because I remember it very
clearly. I would also known if I had ridden the tram as opposed to
taking the subway. I was in a subway car. I was on the N train. I was
going to Astoria. It was in the middle of the day on a Sunday. I was
not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I was not sleepy. The
year was 1995. I repeat myself once more -- MY TRAIN TRAVELLED OVER
THE QUEENSBORO BRIDGE. NO EXCEPTIONS. I'M NOT LYING. AND DON'T
CONTRADICT ME OR TRY TO CONVINCE ME THAT I'M WRONG BECAUSE I'M NOT!!!!
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POSTER>Ted Nielsen
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SUBJECT>Re: track map PATH
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on May 15, 1997 at 21:38:35:
In Reply to: [6]track map PATH posted by steve lowenthal on May 14,
1997 at 01:10:22:
As far as I know , there is only a plan to extend the Newark Airport
people mover to a transfer station on the Northeast Corridor Line
serving NJ Transit and Amtrak ( I'm not sure if PATH will stop there
).
About the map of PATH :
I don't know where you can find a map on that section of the PATH
network , there is a map located at this site , but its incomplete.
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POSTER>Steve
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SUBJECT>Re: Queensboro Bridge
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Posted by Steve on May 15, 1997 at 22:39:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 14, 1997
at 22:43:13:
Since the N train uses the 60th Street tunnel and there are no tracks
on the Queensboro Bridge, I think we are talking major Twilight Zone
episodes here. Actually, back then, the only significant bridge that
the N crossed was the Manhattan Bridge before tha south side of the
bridge was closed to train traffic.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 15, 1997 at 22:50:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 15, 1997
at 21:17:07:
Listen, my friend. I have been with the NYCT for more than 20 years.
Please trust me, it could not have been the N train on the Queensboro
bridge for the following reasons.
1. There are no tracks on the bridge.
2. There is no connection from the BMT in Manhattan, to the bridge.
3. There is no connection with the Astoria Line from the bridge.
Please consider the alternatives;
1) Wrong bridge?
2) Dream?
3) Drug flashback?
4) You went back in time 50+ years?
5) You were on a bus?
All kidding aside, trust me, YOU WERE NOT ON THE 'N' OR ANY OTHER
TRAIN ON THE QUEENSBORO BRIDGE.....
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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SUBJECT>Re: Chicago Transit Authority
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Posted by Bryan Layne on March 17, 1997 at 17:09:09:
In Reply to: [6]Chicago Transit Authority posted by Augie JAKosz on
March 08, 1997 at 13:42:03:
Lots Of People ride the "L".Thousands of daily commuters
ride from the south,west and north sides to get to downtown.
Not to mention the increased ridership due to the
explosion of yuppie population in the neighborhoods along the
Ravenswood line.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Coney Island Station
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 15, 1997 at 23:42:02:
In Reply to: [6]Coney Island Station posted by John on May 14, 1997 at
22:58:30:
It probably reeks somewhat less than before, but it's still pretty
cruddy. That is one station in dire need of rehabilitation, so long as
they keep the old BMT emblems on the front. I have a question about
the station though -- to the left of the main entrance (not the one
with the bus loop), facing outwards, there is apparently another gate
leading to the outside, under the culver/brighton els. Was this exit
strictly for transit employees only, or was this for something else?
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: Red Birds
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 15, 1997 at 23:45:15:
In Reply to: [6]Red Birds posted by Jim on May 15, 1997 at 13:57:09:
That's interesting - a few years back the flushing line cars were
among the worst. I guess they finally shaped up.
They will probably retire them simply because they no longer want to
paint them, i.e., a stainless steel fleet would cost less
maintenance-wise.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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SUBJECT>Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!!
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 15, 1997 at 23:48:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Nathan on May
15, 1997 at 03:41:04:
Outdated??? Where else can you hear the air brake sound that the
R-38/40/42 used to make? 8-)
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POSTER>Dan Lawrence
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SUBJECT>Re: Subway Automation
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on May 16, 1997 at 00:53:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Automation posted by Julio Perez on May 12,
1997 at 07:51:28:
Don't forget Baltimore, which has the ORIGINAL Budd/Transit America
cars. The Miami cars were built after the original MTA order. The
control system allows the operator to switch from ATO to manual
control at any time. Some operators here regularly run in manual mode
just to keep their skills up. (Some of them actually operate better
than the ATO mode (which tends to "stonewall" the stops). I guess that
computers can't remember to bleed the air when the train comes to a
stop.
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POSTER>John
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Posted by John on May 16, 1997 at 06:50:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Steve on May 15, 1997
at 22:50:31:
Alright. I give up, because obviously, I'm not getting anything except
suggestions that I'm either crazy or just full of shit. But rest
assured - I'm not done. I am going to find out just what happened that
day once and for all. Just you wait . . .
However, on the rare (almost impossable) chance that it wasn't the
Queensboro Bridge, what other tracks are there over the East River,
beside the Manhattan and Williamsburg Bridges?
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 16, 1997 at 07:09:10:
In Reply to: [6]Red Birds posted by Jim on May 15, 1997 at 13:57:09:
So, what is the Flushing line (7) getting in terms of equipment?
R110Bs, or the R14xs?
Will they be configured in 10-car or 11-car sets?
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Hell Gate Bridge (was Re: Queensboro Bridge)
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 16, 1997 at 07:15:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 16, 1997
at 06:50:37:
Well, there's the Hell Gate Bridge running over the East River and
just north of the Triboro. But, that's a line for freight and other
commuter train traffic, not subway.
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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SUBJECT>Re: Grade crossing ?
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 16, 1997 at 07:18:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Grade crossing ? posted by Peter Rosa on May 08,
1997 at 11:19:54:
Are there any pictures of these grade crossings as seen from cars and
trucks crosssing over them (not from the subway cars)?
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Posted by Julio Perez on May 16, 1997 at 07:36:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Red Birds posted by Julio Perez on May 16, 1997 at
07:09:10:
Okay, I screwed up in my previous post in this thread. In terms of
possible replacements for the R33/36 series on the 7, I meant the
R110A and _not_ the R110B, the latter being for IND/BMT use.
But I also mentioned R14x (R143???) as a possible alternative.
Any info on the replacement units? Any picutres/drawings/schematics of
the R14x prototypes yet?
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POSTER>oLLE nILSEEN
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SUBJECT>Re: Brooklyn Bridge Service
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Posted by oLLE nILSEEN on May 16, 1997 at 10:09:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Brooklyn Bridge Service posted by Mark S Feinman
on May 12, 1997 at 13:46:26:
hello,why donīt you build a subway in LEKSAND?
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POSTER>D ROWE
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Posted by D ROWE on March 17, 1997 at 17:41:46:
THANK'S TO EVERYONE WHO POST'S MESSAGES HERE. ALL THE MEMORY'S YOU'VE
BROUGHT ME HAVE BEEN GREAT. I MOVED TO NC 7 YEARS AGO, AND HAVE CRAVED
A SUBWAY RIDE SINCE. NOONE HERE UNDERSTANDS!
PS THE OLDER CARS RULED!
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 16, 1997 at 12:01:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 16, 1997
at 06:50:37:
To my knowledge, there are no other bridges. The Brooklyn Bridge also
had tracks at one time but they are also long gone. There are several
river tunnels though.
63rd St - Q & B lines
60th St - R - N lines
53rd St - E & F lines
Steinway St. - #7 line
14th St - L line
Montague Street - M, N, & R lines
Pineapple St. - F Line (Manhattan - Bklyn)
Jouralemon St - A & C lines (Manhattan - Brooklyn)
The West side IRT tunnel from Manhattan - Brooklyn
The East Side IRT tunnel from Manhattan - Brooklyn
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POSTER>Paul
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Posted by Paul on May 16, 1997 at 12:09:23:
In Reply to: [5]Red Birds posted by Jim on May 15, 1997 at 13:57:09:
I know what MDBF is but I'd like to know who's crunching the numbers?
I ride the #7 line 5 days per week from Main St. to GCS. The line
stinks, the cars stink and the stations stink. The only way that line
is getting those kind of numbers is if someone is paying someone off.
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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SUBJECT>Re: Queensboro Bridge
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at 14:29:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 15, 1997
at 21:17:07:
THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT!!!
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SUBJECT>Re: Queensboro Bridge
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at 14:36:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Steve on May 16, 1997
at 12:01:10:
I decided to quote
Sorry for acting like a fact cop
>63rd St - Q & B lines
Correct
>60th St - R - N lines
Correct
>53rd St - E & F lines
Correct
>Steinway St. - #7 line
Correct
>14th St - L line
Correct
>Montague Street - M, N, & R lines
Correct
>Pineapple St. - F Line (Manhattan - Bklyn)
Wrong Fruit and train, the F tunnel is called the Rutgers Street
Tunnel
>Jouralemon St - A & C lines (Manhattan - Brooklyn)
Wrong Trains, the Cranberry Street Tunnel carries the A&C
>The West side IRT tunnel from Manhattan - Brooklyn
It has a name: Clark Street Tunnel
>The East Side IRT tunnel from Manhattan - Brooklyn
This would be the Joralemon Street Tunnel
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at 14:42:55:
In Reply to: [6]Red Birds posted by Jim on May 15, 1997 at 13:57:09:
The R-36 and possibly R-33 will not be scrapped, they will be
transferred to replace the R26/28/29.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at 14:44:24:
In Reply to: [6]Correction to Re: Red Birds posted by Julio Perez on
May 16, 1997 at 07:36:04:
How can they get R110As (really R130) THERE ARE ONLY 10 OF THEM!
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at 14:45:35:
In Reply to: [6]Correction to Re: Red Birds posted by Julio Perez on
May 16, 1997 at 07:36:04:
The R143 is for the B division (IND/BMT) the R142 is for the A
division (IRT).
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POSTER>M.J.S.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at 14:47:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Andrew Huie on
May 15, 1997 at 23:48:13:
Is that supposed to be a good thing?
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at 14:51:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Red Birds posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997 at
14:42:55:
To clarify what I said, I meant the mainline R33s not the R33 Flushing
single units. The single don't have Air Conditioning and can't get
them.
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 16, 1997 at 18:02:06:
The Chicago Transit Authority has cut 10 low riderdhip bus routes and
plans to cut overnight service in the future and on one branch of a
rail route they plan to have no service on the week-end. Also They are
planning some other cuts.
What do you think of this?????
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Posted by Michael Azzollini on March 17, 1997 at 23:39:48:
Any updates on when the abandoned City Hall station will open as an
annex of the Transit Museum? Also, in the guide to abandoned subway
stations, it ststes that "as of late 1995, the loop is now mainline
track and the public can ride it"(and thereby see the station). I was
under the impression that the loop is still non-revenue and all
passengers are required to get off at Brooklyn Bridge when traveling
southbound on the local? MIKE
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 16, 1997 at 18:48:16:
In Reply to: [6]CTA Makes Dramatic cut backs posted by Brian Jakosz on
May 16, 1997 at 18:02:06:
It sucks, thats what I think of it.The CTA is in a bind and now more
than ever need the state's help.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on May 16, 1997 at 18:48:33:
In Reply to: [6]CTA Makes Dramatic cut backs posted by Brian Jakosz on
May 16, 1997 at 18:02:06:
It sucks, thats what I think of it.The CTA is in a bind and now more
than ever need the state's help.
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Posted by Steve on May 16, 1997 at 21:19:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by M.J.S. on May 16, 1997
at 14:36:45:
Thanks for the correction. I could never keep my tunnels straight.
Now for extra credit, name the 5 LIRR tunnels into Manhattan.
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 16, 1997 at 22:50:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by M.J.S. on May
16, 1997 at 14:47:11:
Well, in a nostalgic way it's kind of nice to hear that sound again.
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 16, 1997 at 23:04:01:
i am looking for updated track maps of the njt,,,i
have maps dated approx 1991,,,many new interlockings
and area changes ,,ie---newark station ,portal
,bergen,,and swift interlocking areas
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 16, 1997 at 23:05:25:
In Reply to: [6]CTA Makes Dramatic cut backs posted by Brian Jakosz on
May 16, 1997 at 18:02:06:
what bus lines and subway lines are affected???
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 16, 1997 at 23:06:05:
In Reply to: [6]CTA Makes Dramatic cut backs posted by Brian Jakosz on
May 16, 1997 at 18:02:06:
what bus lines and subway lines are affected???,,,do
u have further details of all changes
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Posted by Zack on May 16, 1997 at 23:10:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Automation posted by John on May 14, 1997
at 22:48:51:
I am A TERRABLE spellar.
(i was wondering when somebody would catch that)
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POSTER>Zack
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Posted by Zack on May 16, 1997 at 23:28:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Tunnel Wash Train posted by Steve on May 14, 1997
at 22:29:19:
is there any pictures of it?
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Posted by Justin on May 17, 1997 at 00:55:17:
Any Bay Area railfans out there? Michael Adler's BART track map shows
a fourth "hidden express track" under Oakland B'way, in addition to
the three tracks in regular service. Is this for real, or just a
persistent rumor? I can only see three tunnel portals heading
southward from MacArthur. It seems that the current awkward 2-and-1
arrangement would've been eliminated long ago if this fourth track
existed.
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POSTER>Todd Glickman
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Posted by Todd Glickman on March 18, 1997 at 08:19:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Steve on
March 15, 1997 at 16:19:04:
The station before Bethpage was named "Grumman". I believe it was
served by a limited number of weekday trains through a good part of
the 60's and maybe even into the early '70's.
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on May 17, 1997 at 19:37:37:
In the past I have read questions about the Rochester subway.
On Monday may 19th from 6-7AM The History Channel THC will be showing
"The End of the Line" the Rochester Subway.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 17, 1997 at 20:54:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Red Birds posted by John on May 15, 1997 at
16:45:42:
Boston's MTA bought new cars for its Cambridge-Dorchester line in
1962-63, about the same time the R33-36 cars arrived on the Flushing
Line. They have already met the torch, partly because they were the
worst cars the MTA (and the El and the MBTA) ever bought, and partly
because the MBTA constantly tried to upgrade them to be compatable
with the later cars purchased for the Quincy - Braintree extension.
I have probably ridden the 7 line more than any other line in NYC, and
the cars on that line are what rapid transit cars are supposed to be:
Boxes that move people. They go and they stop and the doors open and
close - nothing more is necessary. AC is great (as long as you are in
the car and not on the platform. The second law of thermodynamics says
that the you can't reduce the entropy of something (cool it) without
increasing the entropy of everything else (heat it). Everything else
in this case is the subway. The cars are fine - especially the R-33s.
Oh by the way, I saw an interesting train last June, 11 cars all R-33
singles (it wasn't a hot day)!
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Posted by Justin on May 17, 1997 at 22:51:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Steve on May 16, 1997
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I've got five, but perhaps I'm cheating a little:
(1,2) Two Pennsylvania tubes from Hoboken to 34th Street
(3,4) Two tubes (name?) from 34th Street to Sunnyside Yard
(5) 63rd Street tube, lower level, which is currently unused
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Posted by Brian Jakosz on May 17, 1997 at 22:52:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: CTA Makes Dramatic cut backs posted by steve
lowenthal on May 16, 1997 at 23:05:25:
10 CTa bus routes have already been cut and overnight rail service
being cut is an idea for the future. For more info visit the Cta web
page at Transitchicago.com they have planned cut backs for the fall
listed in the news section, but to ask about the 10 routes already
cut, E-mail them, CTAhelp@transitchicago.com
They will take about two weeks to reply so be patient
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Posted by sam gamberg on May 17, 1997 at 23:41:51:
Is it possible to buy (purchase) a vintage subway car ? One that is
not working.
I am really curious about this.
Thank you.
Sam Gamberg
Colchester, Vermont
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Posted by Randolph on May 17, 1997 at 23:49:19:
In Reply to: [6]Washington Metro posted by Trey Wadsworth on May 08,
1997 at 15:37:06:
I rode it when I went there. I like it too, except that the Rosslyn
station smells like it doubles as an open sewer.
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POSTER>Randolph
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Posted by Randolph on May 17, 1997 at 23:55:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by John on May 09, 1997 at 23:06:17:
What are the most popular bus routes? That's where subways should be
built.
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Posted by Will Calves on March 18, 1997 at 08:48:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Express Subways posted by Ronald Kluger on March
04, 1997 at 17:45:18:
There are several good reasons why a city both as
large and as dense as New York and with as good a
"transit riding habit" as New York has a real need
for express services.
First of all, what many people do not seem to
realize is that New York City, in effect, has
TWO central business districts - the downtown
Financial District and the Midtown area. The
distances between these areas can more efficiently
be covered by a combination of local and express
services.
The distances between some Manhattan stations and
the outer boroughs can be so great that express
services are required in order to have a trip be
of reasonable length/time. This "outer borough"
reason is sometimes hard for out-of-towners to
grasp because most visitors and suburbanites use
the subway mostly as a Manhattan shuttle (i.e.,
like a cheaper/safer taxicab) whereas many New
Yorkers must use it to get around daily. Keep in
mind that it is NOT a true "regional metro" with
high speeds and long station spacing in the outer
boroughs.
Finally, subways like the IND system were designed
and built in an era when massive expressways were
only models at GM's World Fair ride - they were the
ONLY way to get around fast (in my opinion, they
still are) and so the system was designed to be as
fast and easy to use as possible.
-- Will Calves
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Posted by Zack on May 18, 1997 at 00:52:43:
In Reply to: [6]IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by sam gamberg on May 17, 1997
at 23:41:51:
i suppose you could for scrap value. it probally would be rusted
out/minus operation gear.etc but you probally could. but how would get
it home?
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Posted by Steve on May 18, 1997 at 01:17:36:
In Reply to: [6]IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by sam gamberg on May 17, 1997
at 23:41:51:
Yes you can and actually, it is not as difficult or uncommon as you
might think. I'm not quite sure who you would contact but I'd suggest
that you phone :
(718) 330-1234 and ask for the scrap division.
Be advised that the car be moved to a point such as the 38th Street
Yard in Brooklyn. From that point, the transportation etc. will be
your responsibility.
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Posted by Steve on May 18, 1997 at 01:23:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Andrew Huie on
May 15, 1997 at 23:48:13:
What are you referring to? What is the difference between the
R-38/40/42 sounds now and when they were built. The brake system has
not essentially been changed. The only cars which have had real brake
system changes (and brake sounds) are the R-44 & R-46.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 18, 1997 at 01:29:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Five LIRR Tunnels Into Manhattan!?! posted by
Justin on May 17, 1997 at 22:51:00:
Nope!! You are correct about the 63rd street lower level but there are
4 tunnels from Sunnyside yard to Manhattan, each one called by a
specific name.
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Posted by Steve on May 18, 1997 at 01:44:28:
In Reply to: [6]Coney Island Station posted by John on May 14, 1997 at
22:58:30:
I've been to the Stillwell Ave Station as recently as this week and,
no, things there have not significantly improved. There is some good
news though. The TA is planning to rebuild the Stillwell Ave Station
in conjunction witht he completion of the 63rd St. connection. This
will include rebuilding of the platforms and re-alignment of the
tracks to permit additional trackage to be installed. As for the bad
news, you could install carpet in the station mezzanine, you can pipe
in music and hang world-class art on the walls. The people will still
be the people and some of them are the most vile, filthy miscreants
that ever crawled over the face of the earth. No station facelift will
change that.
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Posted by Jerrod Schlieden on May 18, 1997 at 11:49:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by John on May 08, 1997 at 23:36:54:
As much as I agree with direct airport service and 2nd Avenue service,
I'm glad somebody brought up how much we need Javits sevice. To get
there I have to take the 1 uptown and then wakl 4 blocks. It's a real
pain.
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POSTER>Jerrod Schlieden
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Posted by Jerrod Schlieden on May 18, 1997 at 11:52:30:
In Reply to: [5]A train to the Javits posted by Jerrod Schlieden on
May 18, 1997 at 11:49:37:
Oops!! I meant "walk", not "wakl". Plus service to parts of Staten
Island not served by rapid transit would be great.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 16, 1997
at 06:50:37:
I sent a letter to the chairman of the MTA about this and I am still
waiting for a response. Once I get it, I'll say exactly what happened.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 19, 1997 at 20:29:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Steve on May
18, 1997 at 01:23:14:
For some reason, the air brake sound has been changed. I don't
remember when the sound changed, but back in the 70's the R38/40/42
sound was the same as PA-1/2/3. This in turn was different from the
R17/19/21/22 etc., which was much more like a hiss.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 18, 1997 at 09:33:55:
In Reply to: [6]Express Subways posted by John Mullervy on March 02,
1997 at 22:20:30:
John,
As early as last month, the DC Metro DID try their version
of an express train----It runs from Greenbelt (Green Line) to
Farragut North (Red Line). This train still stops
at all stations in between EXCEPT Fort Totten (the normal
transfer station). It uses a little used cross-over track thus
bypassing Fort Totten all together making for a faster trip
for folks from Greenbelt w/o them having to switch
trains. This runs downtown during the morning rush
and vice-versa during the evening rush. This was done to entice
passengers to board at Greenbelt where there is
plenty of parking. Granted, this isn't an express
train by NY standards, it is a step in the right direction.
I guess the real question is, will they keep doing
this after the inner portion of the Green Line opens
in 1999?
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Posted by Andrew Huie on May 19, 1997 at 20:32:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 18, 1997
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Would it be quicker to just see the Queensborough bridge for yourself?
Maybe even ride a bus or tram for a closeup view.
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Posted by John on May 19, 1997 at 21:11:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by Andrew Huie on May 19,
1997 at 20:32:32:
Yeah, but I want a full explanation from an authority figure.
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 19, 1997 at 22:06:58:
In Reply to: [6]BART "hidden express track" posted by Justin on May
17, 1997 at 00:55:17:
check out the loren petrich page
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Posted by Rich Ahrens on May 19, 1997 at 22:07:05:
I expected to see NJ Transit's Parlor Car NJT-1 at the Hoboken
Festival this year, but it was a no-show. Anyone know where it's
hiding these days?
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 19, 1997 at 22:09:03:
In Reply to: [6]BART "hidden express track" posted by Justin on May
17, 1997 at 00:55:17:
the railroad-yard page,,,u might find some other
stuff there,,,,also
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Posted by steve lowenthal on May 19, 1997 at 22:10:58:
looking for large track maps of the dc
metro,,,updated to 1997
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Posted by ~airplane on May 19, 1997 at 22:59:01:
In case anyone missed it, there was a good article today in the New
York Times on the overcrowding and other problems on the Lex. Ave.
local on the front of the Metro section. They even managed to throw in
something on the 2nd Avenue subway. I have a zip file of the article
and all the pictures from the NYT on the Web (slightly modified so a
local version works) if anyone wants to see it. Just send an e-mail.
Note: long filenames.
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Posted by Nathan on May 19, 1997 at 23:19:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by Steve on May 18, 1997
at 01:17:36:
How the hell would you transport an old car anyway?? I suppose you
could have the bogeys removed, but would it not be expensive??? (Yes,
I want an old subway car in my basement)
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Posted by Steve on May 19, 1997 at 23:40:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by Nathan on May 19, 1997
at 23:19:02:
Actually, the trucks are removed and the car body is put on the back
of a truck (flatbed). Now of course if you want one in your basement,
you'd probably have to lay tracks over the stairs and ride it down.
slowly.
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Posted by Steve on May 19, 1997 at 23:52:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PATH Ridership Soars!!!! posted by Andrew Huie on
May 19, 1997 at 20:29:32:
The sound that the brakes make is dependent on two components in the
brake system. The Release Magnet Valve and the J Relay Valve. The
latter was changed, somewhat, when the TA moved away from steel brake
shoes in favor of a composite type which is currently in use. This
change might account for the slight differences you hear.
TA cars use one of three different brake systems (excluding the
R-110s).
They use WABCO, NY AirBrake and Westcode. The WABCO & NY Airbrake
sound almost identical. In fact, the R-32s use both systems and cannot
be told apart by sound. But the Westcode, used on the R-44 sound
completely different.
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Posted by gary jacobi on March 18, 1997 at 11:54:56:
In Reply to: [5]MEMORY'S posted by D ROWE on March 17, 1997 at
17:41:46:
Glad you are enjoying it! There are a lot of us lost New "Yawkers"
around. I, for one, have been west of the Pecos for over thirty years.
I look at the modern pictures, and can't believe the system can exist
without R-10's, Standards and Low V's. And they tell me the new cars
are QUIET ! What can compare with the screeching and clanging that
assaulted riders of the vestibules on the old IRT cars. I last rode
the subway in 1972, with the newer cars just coming into service, and
it was just not the same. I've been back as recently as 1993, but have
not ridden again.
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Posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at 02:34:44:
In Reply to: [6]Coney Island Station -Good News/Bad News posted by
Steve on May 18, 1997 at 01:44:28:
Hey Hey! let's not be too nasty about those "people". If NYC-MTA
wanted to get rid of the perhaps shady characters who lurk in the
stations they could hire part time security gaurds, as a deterrent...
(Ok, it will cost money and most of the gaurds will be dead within the
week, but still, it;s a deterrent!)
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Posted by a person on May 20, 1997 at 02:36:12:
In Reply to: [5]Brake System Sounds posted by Steve on May 19, 1997 at
23:52:15:
please speak english
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Posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at 02:46:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Red Birds posted by John on May 15, 1997 at
16:45:42:
Ack! Don't give those cars to cities that are building new subways!!!
As much as other cities would love to have rumbling, lurching, ex-NYC
subway cars screeching beneath their streets! IF it is time to scrap
the cars, scrap the cars! In cities that are just building Rapid
Transit lines
it is crucial to make the system as attractive (not goldplated) as it
can be in order to lure people out of their cars. The (I dare use the
word ancient) utilitarian NYC cars would scare off potential riders.
Besides, that would definetly say something about a city that had a
brand new subway with ex-New York rolling stock!!! Give them luxury!!!
Make the trains smooth, carpeted, automatic (?).
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on May 20, 1997 at 09:52:01:
In Reply to: [6]track maps of the washington dc metro posted by steve
lowenthal on May 19, 1997 at 22:10:58:
The track map here within the New York city subway resources IS up to
date. The next scheduled opening of a Metro segment is June 29th when
the Blue Line extends to Franconia/Springfield in Virginia and the
track map on the site has been adjusted to show this segment----Check
it out
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Posted by Steve on May 20, 1997 at 10:56:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brake System Sounds posted by a person on May 20,
1997 at 02:36:12:
Which words didn't you understand?
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 20, 1997 at 11:21:41:
In Reply to: [6]IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by sam gamberg on May 17, 1997
at 23:41:51:
Getting the TA to sell you a carbody is probably not that difficult
and the price would likely be based on the current value of scrap
steel, however the sale would be FOB wherever the car presently is and
removal would be required within a fixed time limit.
Moving large cars is expensive and to make the body into a legal
highway trailer you would have to weld a fifth wheel plate at one end
(requires removing the coupler) and weld or bolt a tandem axle dolly
at the other end. Then you need air brake equipment and lights. We
move cars this way at Seashore Trolley Museum. Usually the tractor
brings a flatbed to the site, brings up the body first and then
returns for the flatbed with the trucks. The MBTA in Boston usually
lets us use their shop cranes to load the cars. The alternative is
rent your own or build a blocking pile. This is not a task for the
inexoerienced!
Incidently, the motors are the most valuable component of the car
(much copper) if you buy the whole thing, you can defer some of the
moving cost by selling the motors.
Incidentally R-11s are IND-BMT cars (60') and there is only one left
which the TA Museum isn't likely to part with. Low "V" cars are also
quite rare. Most likely available IRT cars are probably from the R-17
through R-26 series used as work cars after retirement. R-12 and R-14
have a classic look but are probably now scarce. R-15 cars were a
transitional unit with some features from both previous and succeeding
classes and are probably rare.
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I heard something about the LIRR introducing double-deckers next
year , is that true ? If it is , who will built them and on what lines
will
they be used ?
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 20, 1997 at 13:02:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brake System Sounds posted by a person on May 20,
1997 at 02:36:12:
The release ( and apply ) magnet valves operate to keep the straight
air pipe pressure on each car at the same level as that in the first
car. Its operation should not be very audible, since when it operates
it triggers the relay valve. The latter matches the cylinder pressure
to that in the straight air pipe. How the exhaust pipe leading from
the relay valve is routed, the size of said pipe, and whether there is
a muffler on that pipe are the biggest factors in brake sounds.
Another is the size of the brake cylinders, and therefore the quantity
of air released.
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Posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at 16:02:21:
IF PATH is losing so much money (I do not know exactly how much) then
shouldn't the Port Authority consider major improvements that would
increase efficiency in the long run? If the Port Authority is ordering
new cars (in the future) why don't they look into automation?? It
would initially be expensive, but it would increase the efficiency and
speed
of the service.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 18, 1997 at 12:17:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Erich Rastetter
on March 15, 1997 at 22:48:28:
Apparently, yes. I learned of it indirectly through reading the
Abandoned Subway stations listing posted elsewhere at this website. In
particular, check out S. 4th st, Utica Ave and Roosevelt Ave. I have
heard several stories as to why it was never built, mostly relating to
war shortages, but that doesn't hold water for me. The real reason is
probably that, after the consolodation of 1940, it no longer made
sense to build lines in direct competition with the BMT and IRT, as
the Fulton St. and Sixth avenue lines had been. Without hard info on
routes, I am just guessing, but the huge station planned at s. 4th and
Union in Williamsburg must have been associated with a tunnel
duplicating the Williamsburg bridge Broadway line, and the crossing at
Utica and Fulton might have been to capture the residents not served
by the IRT which never extended, as promised, south of Flatbush Ave.
on Nostrand ave.
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Posted by Lefty on May 20, 1997 at 19:17:00:
if there was a connection between SIRR and the rest of the subway, is
the equipment between them compatible and what not? like the same
track gauge and same type of cars?
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has anything been done in the designs of the r142's and 3's in order
to make the subways QUIETER? less screeching etc??
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Posted by John on May 20, 1997 at 21:19:36:
In Reply to: [5]SIRR compared to the IRT etc... posted by Lefty on May
20, 1997 at 19:17:00:
The equipment is the same. The SIRR uses R-44 cars, just like the
Subway, and as far as I know, they is no difference, excpet that the
SIRR trains have different signage (SIRR decals rather than Subway
decals). Just one thing, though - is it me, or are the SIRR cars
slightly less rounded than the Subway cars? I seem to notice this
every time I see the trains at the Ferry Terminal in Staten Island.
The interior is the same, though.
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Posted by John on May 20, 1997 at 21:21:37:
In Reply to: [5]LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by Ted Nielsen on May 20,
1997 at 11:49:38:
If I'm not mistaking, the double-deckers are already in service and
they have been for a while, although the LIRR doesn't have too many of
them and I haven't personally seen one.
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Posted by John on May 20, 1997 at 21:26:10:
In Reply to: [5]Where is NJT-1 these days? posted by Rich Ahrens on
May 19, 1997 at 22:07:05:
Yeah, you know I was looking for it, too. I think that this year, the
Pennsylvania Railroad cars were in the place that NJT-1 usually is.
Speaking of the Hoboken Festival, I can see plenty of room for
improvement. The first thing is that Amtrak should participate (they
did at one time . . . what happened?). In addition to the cars in
revenue service, PATH should also have some of their retired trains on
display, and so should the Transit Authority - the TA should have a
display of modern and older subway trains. Yep - there is plenty of
room for improvement.
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Posted by John on May 20, 1997 at 21:31:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by Nathan on May 19, 1997
at 23:19:02:
You want a subway car in your basement? Just how do you plan on
getting it in? Knocking a hole in your wall and putting tracks leading
in? Removing the roof and ceilings of your house and having it hoisted
in by a crane? Demolishing your house, putting the subway car in
place, and then rebuild your house around it? Take my advice - forget
it. Settle for the backyard instead.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 18, 1997 at 12:37:30:
In Reply to: [6]City Hall Station posted by Michael Azzollini on March
17, 1997 at 23:39:48:
Nope, you can definitely ride the loop. To be nice, ask the motorman
or
conductor (and to make sure he's not going out of service and
returning right to the yard!). I've done this a number of times when
I'm in the area.
Sometimes you get a strange look but just be nice about it. Explain
that you have a historical curiosity to see City Hall or something.
You'll get your ride.
--Dave
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Posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at 21:57:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by John on May 20, 1997 at
21:31:52:
Aghhhhh!!!! It was lust I tell you, LUST!! I live on the West Coast,
how will I get the car out here?? We were talking about how to go
about buying an old subway car, not how we are going to move it into
our basements! (That, my friend, is a personal fantasy!)
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Posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at 22:01:21:
In Reply to: [5]subway NOISE posted by Lefty on May 20, 1997 at
21:11:30:
What, you don't like the screeching?? What exactly do you want, have
every rail hand welded, incorporate steerable axles (forced steering),
linear induction motors, pneumatic suspension.... (chandeliers,
chamber music, velvet seats.....)
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Posted by A person on May 20, 1997 at 22:04:23:
What happened to the R-110 prototype? Was the project continued?? Were
more cars made?
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Posted by Steve on May 20, 1997 at 23:12:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR compared to the IRT etc... posted by John on
May 20, 1997 at 21:19:36:
I'm afraid it's your imagination. 12 of the SI R-44s began their
careers as NYCT R-44s.
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Posted by Steve on May 20, 1997 at 23:16:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by John on May 20,
1997 at 21:21:37:
One prototype train is in service on the Port Jeff Branch. The LIRR
has ordered 114 double deckers. I believe that Kawasaki Heavi
Industries will assemble them in Yonkers, NY. By the way, if the main
line track rehab. has not altered its' schedule, you can see the
double deckers daily. They leave Penn Station @4:49 PM and Jamaica @
5:11 PM.
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Posted by Steve on May 20, 1997 at 23:23:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brake System Sounds posted by Gerry O'Regan on May
20, 1997 at 13:02:47:
A good basic description of the SMEE brake system with one inaccuracy.
The brake cylinder pressure is not matched to the straight air
pressure. It is maintained at a pressure proportional to the SAP. The
other determining factors are the position of the load sensor and the
type of end brake device (clasp brakes or tread brakes).
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Posted by David Steckler on May 21, 1997 at 07:28:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by Steve on May 20,
1997 at 23:16:22:
> The double-decker's leave Penn Station? That doesn't sound right
because the cars won't fit in the tunnels. Don't you catch an
elctric-powered (M-unit) train at Penn and change to the
double-deckers at Jamaica?
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Posted by YOUR MOM on May 21, 1997 at 10:57:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by David Steckler on
May 21, 1997 at 07:28:05:
GET A LIFE PEOPLE THE SUBWAY SUCKS DICK
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Posted by a person on May 21, 1997 at 11:23:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Brake System Sounds posted by Steve on May 20,
1997 at 23:23:20:
Hmmmm, I see, very complicated. Why not use disk brakes?? Does any of
the various cars in NY employ them? (I know the bombardier bi-level
cars do)
Or are you describing disk brakes and I am just so mechanically
disinclined
that I don't realise it...
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 15:03:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by David Steckler on
May 21, 1997 at 07:28:05:
As a matter of fact, they do fit through the tunnel. There is an
FL-9AC at either end for propulsion and electric power for lights and
HVAC. I see them almost daily.
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Posted by Josh Blackman on March 01, 1997 at 18:09:56:
I'm looking for those fabric rolls the NYC subway
conductor would wind wind to show the subway's
destination; now they use electronic destination signs;
Know where I can find a lot of these fabric destination
rolls? or just one? Please let me know! Thanks for
thinking about it!
Josh Blackman
212.463.6261
joshb@panix.com
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on March 18, 1997 at 12:38:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MEMORY'S posted by gary jacobi on March 18, 1997
at 11:54:56:
It's not that quiet. :-)
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Posted by Jim on May 21, 1997 at 15:08:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by YOUR MOM on May
21, 1997 at 10:57:24:
As a matter of fact, most of us do have lives. They include something
that we all have in commonthat we find interesting and enjoyable. On
the other hand, if your only enjoyment comes from the derission of
other peoples interests, what does that say about the quality of your
life? Most of us indentify ourselves. If not by our whole name, then
by our first. You, on the other hand, find it necessary to hide behind
"Your Mother". I suspect that you've been doing that too, all your
poor empty life.
Grow Up
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 15:14:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Brake System Sounds posted by a person on May 21,
1997 at 11:23:46:
Good question!! Actually, we are talking about any modern
pneumatically controlled Air Brake System, regardless of what the End
Brake Devices are.
As of no, there are only 3 revenue cars in the NYCT system which use
disc brakes. They are the 3 R-110B trailer cars. Because these cars
have no motors, they have no dynamic brakes. To make up for the loss
of dynamic brake, disk brake were added to the tread brakes.
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Posted by Lefty on May 21, 1997 at 15:27:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by Jim on May 21,
1997 at 15:08:48:
good call Jim
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Posted by John on May 21, 1997 at 16:19:37:
In Reply to: [5]R-110s posted by A person on May 20, 1997 at 22:04:23:
The R-110s were test trains. They were not in revenue service. I don't
know if they are still being tested in passenger service, though.
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Posted by John on May 21, 1997 at 16:24:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: subway NOISE posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at
22:01:21:
I know, right? New York's subway isn't ment to pamper and baby it's
passengers. What I want is sheer noise! Loud screeching, screaming
brakes, bumpy and jolting rides, flickering lights (at third rail
gaps), fast speeds around curves, concrete platforms, flourescent
lighting, leaky ceilings, hard bench seating . . . yeah! That's the
New York Subway I know and grew up with!
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Posted by John on May 21, 1997 at 16:39:51:
Why are the end doors of the R-44, R-46, and R-68 cars locked? I feel
safer knowing that I can cross into a different car if a situation
arises in my car. Will the end doors on the R-142s be locked?
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 19:49:52:
In Reply to: [6]DON'T LOCK THE DOOR! posted by John on May 21, 1997 at
16:39:51:
The end doors are locked on all of the 75' cars for safety. Many of
the lines served by these cars have sharp curves. The anti-climbs on
these cars tend to sweep in opposite directions while the 75 footers
go around the curves. A person caught on the outside could be swept
off and onto the tracks.
The R-142s will likely be the size of a standard IRT car and the end
doors would probably not be kept locked. The R-143s on the other hand
are expected to be 67' long. The old BMT Standards were also 67' long
and I don't remember the end doors being locked, however, it would
also depend on the truck placement. The L line, where the R-143s will
go, has its share of sharp curves.
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 19:54:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by John on May 21, 1997 at
16:24:26:
* Car bodies made of lighter materials.
* Lighter trucks due to AC Propulsion.
* Ring Damped wheels.
* Air Bag Suspension.
* Better insulation.
* Unitized HVAC mounted in the roof of the car.
Id say that the cars will be quieter inside and out.
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 20:26:09:
Here are 10 questions any true New York Subway System fan should be
able to answer. However, I will send (VIA first class mail) an
official
New York City Transit 90th Anniversary Patch to the first 5 rail-fans
to get the correct answer to all ten questions.
1) The New York City Transit Authority came into being on June 15 of
what year?
2) The NYC Transit Authority began service to the Rockaways on June 28
of what year?
3) What connection unified the BMT & IND. It opened on November 26,
1967. Also, what was the first connection between the BMT and the IND
12 years earlier?
4) What is the busiest subway station in terms of paid fares (33.4
million fares in 1993) ?
5) Which station is the hightest above ground (88 feet above Street
level)?
also which station is the furthest beneath street level. (180 feet) ?
6) What is the location of the only spring switch in the NYC Subway
system? (Hint: Until the 207th Street flyover was built, this site was
the
only direct connection between the IRT and IND divisions)
7) What SUBWAY station was the last one to be closed (1962) ? (Hint:
not the 3rd Ave El stations which closed in 1973)
8) What was the last subway line to serve all 4 contiguous boroughs of
NY
city ? (The line no longer does)
9) What was the last line to operate with Wooden cars?
10) The # 7 line ran to the 1963 NY Worlds fair. What line was built
specifically for the 1939 Worlds Fair?
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 20:26:52:
Here are 10 questions any true New York Subway System fan should be
able to answer. However, I will send (VIA first class mail) an
official
New York City Transit 90th Anniversary Patch to the first 5 rail-fans
to get the correct answer to all ten questions.
1) The New York City Transit Authority came into being on June 15 of
what year?
2) The NYC Transit Authority began service to the Rockaways on June 28
of what year?
3) What connection unified the BMT & IND. It opened on November 26,
1967. Also, what was the first connection between the BMT and the IND
12 years earlier?
4) What is the busiest subway station in terms of paid fares (33.4
million fares in 1993) ?
5) Which station is the hightest above ground (88 feet above Street
level)?
also which station is the furthest beneath street level. (180 feet) ?
6) What is the location of the only spring switch in the NYC Subway
system? (Hint: Until the 207th Street flyover was built, this site was
the
only direct connection between the IRT and IND divisions)
7) What SUBWAY station was the last one to be closed (1962) ? (Hint:
not the 3rd Ave El stations which closed in 1973)
8) What was the last subway line to serve all 4 contiguous boroughs of
NY
city ? (The line no longer does)
9) What was the last line to operate with Wooden cars?
10) The # 7 line ran to the 1963 NY Worlds fair. What line was built
specifically for the 1939 Worlds Fair?
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 18, 1997 at 12:48:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New York Subway Equipment posted by Steve Kreisler
on March 14, 1997 at 23:58:57:
Steve, the 452 blue and white cars you refer to were very nice
looking. Too bad the chemists contracted by the TA couldn't come up
with anti-graffiti paint in those colors, along with their light blue
interior and... AIR CONDITIONING!
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 20:27:21:
Here are 10 questions any true New York Subway System fan should be
able to answer. However, I will send (VIA first class mail) an
official
New York City Transit 90th Anniversary Patch to the first 5 rail-fans
to get the correct answer to all ten questions.
1) The New York City Transit Authority came into being on June 15 of
what year?
2) The NYC Transit Authority began service to the Rockaways on June 28
of what year?
3) What connection unified the BMT & IND. It opened on November 26,
1967. Also, what was the first connection between the BMT and the IND
12 years earlier?
4) What is the busiest subway station in terms of paid fares (33.4
million fares in 1993) ?
5) Which station is the hightest above ground (88 feet above Street
level)?
also which station is the furthest beneath street level. (180 feet) ?
6) What is the location of the only spring switch in the NYC Subway
system? (Hint: Until the 207th Street flyover was built, this site was
the
only direct connection between the IRT and IND divisions)
7) What SUBWAY station was the last one to be closed (1962) ? (Hint:
not the 3rd Ave El stations which closed in 1973)
8) What was the last subway line to serve all 4 contiguous boroughs of
NY
city ? (The line no longer does)
9) What was the last line to operate with Wooden cars?
10) The # 7 line ran to the 1963 NY Worlds fair. What line was built
specifically for the 1939 Worlds Fair?
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Posted by A person on May 21, 1997 at 20:56:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-110s posted by John on May 21, 1997 at 16:19:37:
So, will the technology tested in the Bombardier R-110's be used in
future cars?
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Posted by Nathan on May 21, 1997 at 21:04:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at
19:54:19:
Are you describing a present model car? Why not go all the way? With
AC power why don't you do what is done on the bombardier ART's
(Advanced Rapid Transit) and (instead of carrying an AC converter)
have both 3rd AND 4th rails, one at +300V and one at -300V (AC), weld
every rail and power collection rails, and why not go Linear Induction
Motor?? Trains could stop faster with less wear on the brakes,
(braking is done by reversing the current to the L.I.M.) and trains
will move faster! (I'm being sarcastic,
making the subway quieter would require massive amounts of $$$!!!
All I can say is when it comes to the noise,
LIVE WITH IT!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Nathan on May 21, 1997 at 21:09:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR Double-deckers ? posted by YOUR MOM on May
21, 1997 at 10:57:24:
Hmmmm, if the subway "sucks dick" as you say, then what were you doing
at this page?? You must be a railfan that is just in Denial...
*smirk*
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 21:15:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT R-11 LOW "V" posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997
at 21:57:56:
In 1992, BART shipped one of their cars to Hornell, NY to be 'reverse
engineered' by Morrison Knudsen. They sent it via flat car. From 1982
through 1992, cars ranging from the R-26 through the R-46 (more than
2,000) have been shipped via rail or truck when sent for overhaul. I
suppose you could check on the freight rates.
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 21:23:25:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Quiz posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at
20:27:21:
First of all, this is on the level and NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
I'd suggest that you E-Mail me your answers following the hyper-text
link.
DONT POST YOUR ANSWERS
I will let you know how you scored and make arrangements to send you
your patch (iron on in Blue, Gold and White).
In case of a tie, I have a few extra patches - but not too many. (and
I hope I don't regret saying that)
I will absolutely not send a patch to anyone who does not get all ten
questions correct UNLESS .....
You work for another US System and have a patch to trade.
Steve
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Posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at 21:30:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by Nathan on May 21, 1997 at
21:04:28:
Unfortunately, the idea is not to reinvent the wheel. It is to come up
with a car that is somewhat 'State of the Art' while being compatible
with the existing system.
Many of the things I mentioned have been tried or are currently in use
on the NYCT. Most cars have 'Ring Damped Wheels' to reduce squeal on
curves. The R-46s had air bag trucks when first delivered. Some of the
other features mentioned have been prototype tested. All in all, the
R-142s and R-143s will be as high tech as possible and still be able
to run with the R-32s and 36s.
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Posted by John on May 21, 1997 at 21:32:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-110s posted by A person on May 21, 1997 at
20:56:25:
Generally, yes. Of course, the trains won't be identical, but they
will generally be the same.
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Posted by MJS on May 21, 1997 at 22:33:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Bridge posted by John on May 19, 1997
at 21:11:13:
Look, stop, you DIDN'T RIDE OVER THE QUEENSBOROUGH BRIDGE!!! live with
it.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 21, 1997 at 22:54:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by Nathan on May 20, 1997 at
22:01:21:
YES YES YES (and why not?)
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 18, 1997 at 12:52:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MEMORY'S posted by Dave Pirmann on March 18, 1997
at 12:38:16:
Maybe a sub-board on this web site containing .wav files of
current--and maybe old--subway sounds could be developed. I miss the
braking sound (vapor? steam?) of the old R-1s that used to run on the
E/EE/F/GG lines of the sixties and early seventies, although they did
a stint in '81 on Sly Stallone's movie "Nighthawks."
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 21, 1997 at 22:56:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by John on May 21, 1997 at
16:24:26:
Hopefully you never have your way, If you will, I will be forced to
leave my beloved NY and move to a city like DC.
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Posted by M.J.S. on May 21, 1997 at 22:58:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway NOISE posted by Steve on May 21, 1997 at
19:54:19:
That is exactly what the R-142/3 will have (and the R-130/1 have).
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POSTER>Michael Azzollini
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Posted by Michael Azzollini on May 21, 1997 at 22:59:41:
I was passing through Grand Central Station today from the shuttle to
the 6 line. Passing through the connecting pedestrian tunnel, the gate
to the "Tower" was open and you could clearly see the curving old
alignment from the original "Day One" trackage. On a TA tour about 2
months ago,- with Joe Cunningham as our guide, I recall him saying
that there was a short spur just west of GCT. The spur was used to
store Belmont's private car,-the Mineola. Although the track is long
gone, apparently, evidence of this 5th track at GCT can be seen in the
wider walls at GCT vs the tunnel leading to TS. I've noticed that the
shuttles on both outside tacks make a slight curve inward after
leaving GCT enroute to TS. Can anyone add to this? Can anyone provide
an old track layout? Also, I understand that the short platform from
the now extinct Belmont Hotel still exists. I believe it leads to an
electrical closet now?
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Posted by EMichaud on March 18, 1997 at 13:24:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Gary Jacobi on March
10, 1997 at 18:25:33:
Thanks, everyone -- for all suggestions and help.
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Posted by EMichaud on March 18, 1997 at 13:33:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Peter Rosa on March
08, 1997 at 20:43:07:
I have actually found a copy of "Subway Lives". Am very grateful for
your suggestion.
emily
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 18, 1997 at 14:52:40:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Sounds (was Re: MEMORY'S) posted by Julio Perez
on March 18, 1997 at 12:52:29:
Sounds good but do you know of a source for the sounds? :-)
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POSTER>David O'Connor
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Posted by David O'Connor on March 18, 1997 at 17:00:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City Hall Station posted by David Pirmann on March
18, 1997 at 12:37:30:
On Sunday, Mar 16th, 1997 my wife and I visited both City Hall (N,R)
station and Brooklyn Bridge (4,5) stations. None of the station staff
had heard of City Hall station or how access could be gained.
Apparently it is not common knowledge that the station is there. I
could have been asking for a UFO landing site. Would really love to
see it
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POSTER>Steve Kreisler
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Posted by Steve Kreisler on March 18, 1997 at 19:13:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New York Subway Equipment posted by Julio Perez on
March 18, 1997 at 12:48:13:
You're right about the paint. As for the air conditioning you are part
right. The R-36 2-car units were air conditioned during a subsequent
overhaul. The R-33 single car units were not. This is why on the #7
line, eleven car trains run except during the summer
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Posted by Steve Kreisler on March 18, 1997 at 19:13:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New York Subway Equipment posted by Julio Perez on
March 18, 1997 at 12:48:13:
You're right about the paint. As for the air conditioning you are part
right. The R-36 2-car units were eventually air conditioned during a
subsequent overhaul. The R-33 single car units were not. This is why
on the #7 line, eleven car trains run except during the summer when
the R-33s are not used.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on March 18, 1997 at 19:35:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: City Hall Station posted by David O'Connor on
March 18, 1997 at 17:00:57:
Right station but the wrong line. If you had been on the #6 you would
have looped through the station going from the south-bound to the
north-bound. If you do make the trip, opt for an R-29 so you can stand
at the front 'storm door' (which you can't do on the R-62As...
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POSTER>Richard Hu
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Posted by Richard Hu on March 01, 1997 at 20:00:55:
I currently ride the Q train from Brooklyn and take the B4 bus. I am
wondering how Guilliani's proposed abolition of 2 fare zones is going
to be carried out...
Are riders going to be able to get tokens from transfering busses or
transfers that are accepted at the subway station? Another words, B4
doesn't go into the subway station but stops a block away...hows the
transfer going to happen...
Please e-mail me if have answer THANKS
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POSTER>Michael Azzollini
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Posted by Michael Azzollini on March 18, 1997 at 21:38:54:
What's the latest info on the R-110's? Has the TA completed it's
testing of the trains and are they now ready to purchase more units?
Are the R-142(IRT) and R-143(BMT-IND) trains based upon the R-110's
design? What ever became of the R-130 and R-131 order?
MIKE
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on March 18, 1997 at 23:13:05:
In Reply to: [6]R-110A and B's posted by Michael Azzollini on March
18, 1997 at 21:38:54:
The R-142s are coming. Last word was 750 of them. The R-143s are still
in discussion. The 'B' division cars will be based at East NY shop and
assigned to the 'L' line. The 'L' line is also slated to get a new
technology signal system to correspond with the arrival of the new
cars and the opening of the new control center. The question which is
yet to be decided is whether to purchase 100 R-143s and retrofit R-42s
to operate with the new signal system for the balance of the 'L' line
fleet or purchase 180 R-143s and not retrofit any R-42s. The R-142s
will not be equipped withthe electronics for the new signal system but
will be readily upgradable.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on March 19, 1997 at 10:40:38:
In Reply to: [6]Green Line posted by Gerry O'Regan on February 27,
1997 at 13:15:17:
Here's what the MBTA has posted on the schedule changes:
GREEN LINE
North Station Reconstruction
As part of the ongoing North Station relocation project and
construction of the Super Station, Green
Line train access to the existing street level Canal Street portal
will be closed as of Monday, March
31, 1997.
Customers will use the elevated North Station Green Line platform for
access inbound and
outbound. The elevated platform will be equipped with fare collection,
two entrance/exit stairways
and elevators for handicap accessibility. Newly constructed stairways
to the elevated platform are
located on either side of Causeway Street.
As part of the construction, from Friday, March 28 at 10:30 p.m to
Monday, March 31 at 5:00 a.m.,
Green Line service will be interrupted from Government Center to
Lechmere Station. Construction
contractors must re-align the Green Line right of way in the North
Station area to accommodate the
construction of the Super Station. The MBTA will provide free
substitute bus shuttle service from
Government Center to Lechmere Stations making all appropriate stops
along the line.
Effective with the closing of the street level platforms at North
Station on Monday, March 31, C line
train service will terminate at Government Center. During rush hour,
trains will run every five minutes
or less between Government Center and Lechmere Stations. Frequency of
train service on the E
Line (Heath to Lechmere) will also be improved.
Orange Line access only will remain unchanged at the North Station
street level portal.
The Super Station will provide a large underground station with shared
platforms between the
Orange and Green Lines and is designed to facilitate easy transfers
between light rail, rapid transit,
commuter rail and the Fleet Center.
We appreciate your patience as we work to better serve you.
To Our D Line Customers
Effective April 5, 1997, until further notice, D Line service
(Riverside) will be extended to Lechmere
Station on weekends only. The service improvement is part of the
ongoing North Station relocation
project and construction of the new "Super Station".
As part of the construction, from Friday, March 28 at 10:30 p.m to
Monday, March 31 at 5:00 a.m.,
Green Line service will be interrupted from Government Center to
Lechmere Station. Construction
contractors must re-align the Green Line right of way in the North
Station area to accommodate the
construction of the Super Station. The MBTA will provide free
substitute bus shuttle service from
Government Center to Lechmere Stations making all appropriate stops
along the line.
The Super Station will provide a large underground station with shared
platforms between the
Orange and Green Lines and is designed to facilitate easy transfers
between light rail, rapid transit,
commuter rail and the Fleet Center.
We appreciate your patience as we work to better serve you.
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POSTER>Ron
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Posted by Ron on March 19, 1997 at 13:51:50:
hey, if anyone has ANY pictures of any NYC buses can you possibly send
them to me attached to an email? im starting a NYC buses section on my
website because i can't seem to find any other site with it, so it'll
be cool.
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POSTER>Bill Mosteller
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on March 19, 1997 at 16:06:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LIRR track goop!!! posted by Gary Jacobi on March
14, 1997 at 10:54:49:
Exactly! And I think Model Railroader had an article on building one
for yhour layout some years back, certainly at least a decade!
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 19, 1997 at 20:37:05:
In Reply to: [6]looking for contacts posted by Michael Weiler on March
12, 1997 at 09:20:21:
Michael,
Sounds good to me---I have stuff from all over the globe BUT I
specialize in items from the Baltimore, Washington, New York & San
Francisco systems---e-mail me directly at mgreenwald@miworld.net
thanks,
Mark
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on March 19, 1997 at
Hello,
I've removed some posts about graffiti. From what I can tell, they
were from "writers" about graffiti techniques -- or how to get into
the subway via emergency exits. No matter what you might think this is
illegal and I can't have these discussions here.
There are a lot of other sites out there for you writers. Art Crimes
is one such site. If you want to talk technique or whatever try one of
them.
--Dave
Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on March 19, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: First Post posted by Gary Jacobi on March 12, 1997
at 16:28:19:
Gary,
I would have replied to you directly. I too had been pondering what to
do about the "writers". I didn't see that it had become a major
problem yet but better to stop it now, I agree.
If you'd like to write me privately and discuss what it is you want to
do, that would be fine.
--Dave
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 01, 1997 at 20:36:22:
In Reply to: [6]Looking for Subway rolls posted by Josh Blackman on
March 01, 1997 at 18:09:56:
When I was at the Shore Line Trolley Museum's
New York Transit Days last fall, they had a
number of these for sale. Just the rolls, not
the mechanisms. Might want to give them a call,
see if they still have them.
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POSTER>Richard Angeloni
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Posted by Richard Angeloni on March 19, 1997 at 23:20:51:
In Reply to: [6]MEMORY'S posted by D ROWE on March 17, 1997 at
17:41:46:
As a born and raised New Yorker who grew up with a birdseye view of
the Coney Island Yards, I too miss the subway. My favorite memory as a
youngster was riding the old R1-9 on the West End. I can still hear
the "whirring" sound of the motors when the train accelerated. The
interiors of those old cars also had a certain musty odor. I moved out
west in 1989, and ride BART everyday. BART may be cleaner, but the
rolling stock here has no individuality. The exterior of every car is
essentially the same.
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POSTER>Trevor Logan
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Posted by Trevor Logan on March 20, 1997 at 09:23:22:
In Reply to: [6]NYC buses pictures posted by Ron on March 19, 1997 at
13:51:50:
I would like some pictures sent to me of NYC Buses and if possible to
new Articulated (Stretch) Bus
Trevor Logan
Address: 3535 Hepburn Court, Burtonsville, MD 20866
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POSTER>Clam Man
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Posted by Clam Man on March 20, 1997 at 10:28:47:
Please,
I'm doing a report on subways. If you have any info that could be of
any help, I would be very greatful. Please send all info to
ClamMan100@aol.com
Thank you for your help. History and the way the subway functions are
two areas I'm pretty short on. Thanks again!
Sincerely,
ClamMan
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Posted by David Steckler on March 20, 1997 at 10:30:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Steve on March 18, 1997
at 23:13:05:
Very interesting. If the R-42s are not retrofitted, will they be
scrapped or transferred to a different line?
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POSTER>David Steckler
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SUBJECT>Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR
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Posted by David Steckler on March 20, 1997 at 11:12:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Todd
Glickman on March 18, 1997 at 08:19:56:
Regarding the Grumman station, it was used until the early 1980's.
In John Scala's superb book, "Diesels of the Sunrise Trail," there's a
picture of a train just leaving the station in August, 1981.
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 20, 1997 at 13:40:58:
In Reply to: [6]"Miss Subways" Advertising Campaign posted by Janet
Wright on March 06, 1997 at 16:58:41:
You might want to contact the owner of Ellen's Stardust Diner (at
least
I think that was the name). She was a former
Miss Subways and part of the restaurant is
decorated in a subway theme. In fact, the outside
of the Diner is supposed to resemble one of the
IRT "redbird" cars, sans doors.
If I recall, the Diner is located on Broadway
next to the Winter Garden Theatre.
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POSTER>Mark Feinman
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 20, 1997 at 13:52:11:
In Reply to: [6]IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Gary Jacobi on March
04, 1997 at 17:25:49:
There is a map (1929, I believe) that had the lines for the proposed
"second system" already included on the map.
So the lines of the second system were not speculation. The stations
that have partial provision for these
additional lines were built that way initially in anticipation of the
completion of the second system. Had the
second system been built, money would have been saved (and less
service would have been disrupted). The routes were
never built because of the depression and the fact that after the
depression and WWII, most people were thinking
CARS and ridership went down.
I also think you can purchase the map (for $30+) from the Transit
Museum by special request. If you
contact John or Eva in education, they should be able to provide you
more info.
The Museum also gives tours of some of these stations on the "Routes
Not Built" tour. Specifically,
this tour visits Roosevelt Avenue, Lower level of the BMT City Hall
Station (N/R) and the portion of the
2nd Ave subway under Chinatown.
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 20, 1997 at 14:13:50:
In Reply to: [6]White Pot Underjump posted by Steve Kreisler on March
15, 1997 at 21:13:53:
A recent book (out 2 or 3 years, I think) called "Change at Ozone
Park" discusses this abandoned LIRR line. It is a good read and has
some great pictures, too.
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 20, 1997 at 14:16:01:
In Reply to: [6]Looking for Info on Art on the NYC Subways posted by
Jennifer on March 09, 1997 at 13:07:53:
I don't know what your timeframe is, Jennifer, but there's going to be
a tour called "Ornamental Underground" being run by the New York
Transit Museum on April 21st. The theme of this tour, I believe, is
the mosaics that adorn many of the first stations that were built.
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Posted by Steve on March 20, 1997 at 18:50:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by David Steckler on March
20, 1997 at 10:30:05:
As surprising as it may sound to those of us who remember the R-32s
and newer cars being put into service, many of the 60 foot cars are
nearing the end of their 35 year life expectancy. There is a timetable
for scrapping out of some of them and for some technical reasons, the
42s and 40s may be among the first to go. However, with increasing
service demands, I think that most of the 42s will be reassigned to
other lines, at least for a few years.
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Posted by Clarence Barnes on March 02, 1997 at 07:21:37:
I was looking for photographs of old buses in the NYCTA
rolling stock from the beginning to present. Anyone out
there know where I can obtain them? Thanx in Advance!
CB
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 20, 1997 at 21:08:28:
In Reply to: [6]Looking for Info on Art on the NYC Subways posted by
Jennifer on March 09, 1997 at 13:07:53:
Jennifer,
Here are some items you might find useful:
Art In Transit
[16 pages]
US Department of Transportation
Federal Transit Administration
US Government Printing Office: 1995
(Item 611-822)
Design For Transportation - 1995 National Awards
[60 pages]
US Department of Transportation
National Endowment for the Arts
US Government Printing Office: 1995
(sorry can't find item #)
Art En Route
[30 pages]
MTA Arts for Transit
Metropolitan Transportation Authority: 1994
Art En Route: Your Guide To Art in the MTA Network
[pamphlet]
MTA Arts for Transit
Metropolitan Transportation Authority: 1993
The first, third, and fourth items can be purchased
from the Transit Museum bookstore.
--Dave
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Posted by Michael Berson on March 20, 1997 at 21:21:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MEMORY'S posted by gary jacobi on March 18, 1997
at 11:54:56:
What I liked about the ole days is the variety that existed.
For example in the '70's on any IRT line anything from R-12's thru
R-36's would be coupled together in a single train. I especially
remember this on the #3 train.
How about the F train. On this line you never knew what type of train
you would get. On the F alone, I have ridden R1-9's, R-32's, R-38's
(one of my favorites), R-40's, R-42's (another favorite) and R-44.
Later when the R-46's arrived, the R1-9's were removed. The rebuilt
and new equipment lack the "personality" these older cars had.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 20, 1997 at 21:28:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Steve on March 20, 1997
at 18:50:35:
I think if the new cars are assigned to the L and the R-42s displaced
to other lines, as another poster wrote, that they would use this to
scrap some of the R-40 slant fronts. While these cars are probably the
most unique thing the subway still has, they appear to me in the worst
shape of all of the 60-foot cars. The R-32's will outlive the R-40s, I
predict.
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Posted by Bob Andersen on March 20, 1997 at 23:12:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Steve on March 18, 1997
at 23:13:05:
I can't believe the L train is getting brand new equipment! When I
rode the line back in the 60's-70's it seem we were always getting the
short end of the stick. While other lines were getting air-conditioned
cars, we were still riding in 50 year old BMT Standards.
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Posted by Steve on March 21, 1997 at 20:17:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by David Pirmann on March
20, 1997 at 21:28:21:
Actually, I think that the R-42s and their older sisters, the R-40Ms
will be the first to go. Although both the 40s and 42s were both built
by St. Louis Car Co., the Slant 40s are actually in better shape.
However, you are right about the R-32s. The R-32s both phase I and
phase II are among the most reliable in the fleet. They might even
survive thtough another overhaul.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on March 21, 1997 at 23:30:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by EMichaud on March 18,
1997 at 13:33:09:
I'm glad you were able to find a copy of _Subway Lives_, it's
definitely the most informative thing I've read about the system even
though it's starting to get a bit outdated. When I first read about
the "Beame Shuffle" and the Second Avenue line, I found it hard to
imagine that elected officials could be *that* stupid ... but I guess
I was wrong!
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POSTER>Michael Berson
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Posted by Michael Berson on March 21, 1997 at 23:41:33:
In Reply to: [6]New York Subway Equipment posted by John Ohanian on
March 14, 1997 at 19:30:49:
You are so right about what has happened to the equipment. As far as
the R-32's are concerned, once the graffiti was cleaned up and the
cars were air-conditioned, why did they make the decision to make the
interiors the drab color they are today. The blue interiors and the
silver and blue exteriors were very attractive. I wished they would
have reinstated the old colors after the cars were rebuilt.
One of the saddest rebuilds are the R-42's. These had the long windows
on the side doors and the rectangular window on the end door. The
shorter window on the side doors make it look very out of place with
the larger windows of the R-42. I was 10 years old when the R-42's
were introduced and they were very popular (with one of the best
Air-Conditioners I have ever seen in the subway.)
Why couldn't they just rebuild the cars mechanically, but leave the
original color schemes and designs of cars such as the R-32, 38, 40
and 44.
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Posted by wiljan koopmans on March 22, 1997 at 07:08:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old Subway Items For Sale? posted by Steve
Kreisler on March 05, 1997 at 13:22:46:
can you sent some information aboet your sale
I am looking for stickers and comercals from metro's special the
comercial from anti grafiti.
i hope yuo can help me thanx
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Posted by wiljan koopmans on March 22, 1997 at 07:12:01:
In Reply to: [6]Bus Photos posted by Clarence Barnes on March 02, 1997
at 07:21:37:
i am searchin for photos of metro's from 1972-
1985 .
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Posted by wiljan koopmans on March 22, 1997 at 07:16:11:
i am looking for oldschool photos from metro's and graffiti on it.
i hope you can sent me some pictures.
my adres is
wiljan koopmans.
westdorperstraat 21
9531 ta borger
p.o box 47
holland
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POSTER>Carl C. Jackson
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Posted by Carl C. Jackson on March 22, 1997 at 11:51:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: MEMORY'S posted by gary jacobi on March 18, 1997
at 11:54:56:
Since I've been reading this thread, I've shed several tears. I too
have aLOT of memories. I grew up in Brooklyn on Monroe Street between
Nostrand and Marcy Aves. I remember taking the B44-Nostrand to schoole
(St Peter Claver) when the equipment was Mack busses! When I was very
young, my grandfather (who was subway car mechanic at the Coney Island
Shops) would take me on the B47-Tompkins Ave line when it was a ETB!
That's right, an electric trilley bus! I also remember when PCC
trolley's ran on the B68-Coney Island Ave. How about when several SIRT
cars ran on the Culver-Nassau Shuttle? Or when the Franklyn Ave
Shuttle ran 6-car locals to Coney Island on Saturdays! I truly do miss
it all. I've been away from New York since 1971 with only a few visits
between then and now. But as irony would have it - I now drive an ETB
in Seattle!
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on March 22, 1997 at 21:13:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Express Subways posted by Iain Logan on March 03,
1997 at 09:13:05:
Boston's Orange Line North of the Mystic River was
rebuilt from a EL to ground level with Express Lines
that have not been used. Also when the Red Line
was extened to Braintree it skipped two stations
and ran side by side with the Ashmont Line. They
have since added the Two skipped stations to the
Braintree line. The Market Frankford El in Phila
runs A and B trains at rush hours from Frankfort to
Center City, maybe further. They are a semi-express
as they alternate stops.
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on March 23, 1997 at 02:46:44:
Does anyone have/know of a source for track maps of the old abandoned
B'klyn Els, incl:
5th Ave
Old Main Line
Lexington
Fulton
Myrtle El between Bridge and Park Row
BTW I am trying to augment Dave Snowden's nice BMT36 Bahn layout with
5th Ave El and other route improvements...
Ben-Zion
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 23, 1997 at 12:30:57:
In Reply to: [6]Old Brooklyn El Track Maps posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto
on March 23, 1997 at 02:46:44:
I have a map (offline) of Lexington El. and part of the Myrtle El.
Contact me in email and we can arrange to get you a copy.
--Dave
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Posted by Michael Berson on March 23, 1997 at 12:34:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Steve on March 18, 1997
at 23:13:05:
Wow,
New equipment for the L line. It's about time!!!!
MB
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on March 23, 1997 at 13:37:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Sounds (was Re: MEMORY'S) posted by David
Pirmann on March 18, 1997 at 14:52:40:
A source for sounds?? Hmmm... aren't there a few trolley museums
around that have early R's in working order??? Maybe we could convince
them to run one and someone could record it with a good Dat or
something??/
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on March 23, 1997 at 15:13:21:
In Reply to: [6]Old Brooklyn El Track Maps posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto
on March 23, 1997 at 02:46:44:
There was a very good book in the "Tracks of New York" series that
covered the Brooklyn Els in their early years. It contains excellent
detail and lots of pictures too. Out of print now, but worth having if
you are interested in the els.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on March 23, 1997 at 15:22:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Express Subways posted by FRED WELLMAN on March
22, 1997 at 21:13:43:
The Red Line South Shore Branch does stop at JFK-Umass (nee Columbia)
but still skips Savin Hill. There can't be a stop there on that branch
without a major realignment of the tracks and highways. For the
record, it also skips former NYNH&H stops at Harrison Sq., Popes Hill,
Neponset and Atlantic, while the North Quincy Station splits the
distance between Atlantic & Norfolk Downs. Dorchester got a lousy deal
on that line, in order to lure suburbanites with fast service.
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Posted by Erich Rastetter on March 23, 1997 at 16:30:55:
In Reply to: [6]2nd avenue subway posted by Emily Michaud on March 08,
1997 at 13:28:10:
I heard from a teacher that the MTA is spending millions on keeping
second avenue from falling, because they "forgot" to maintain the
parts that were dug out, and now its begining to cave in, and also
that they have postponed any talks on finishing it until 2000, or
2004, i forget, so for the next few years they won't consider
finishing it.
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Posted by John Mullervy on March 02, 1997 at 22:20:30:
Why is it that other cities, did not build express
subways like New York? I can't imagine NY being all
local like DC (a newer system) or Boston (an older
system).
John
PS:The Disney Monorail's express doesn't count IMO
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Posted by Dan Greenberg on March 24, 1997 at 09:35:28:
In Reply to: [6]IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Gary Jacobi on March
04, 1997 at 17:25:49:
I went on the "Routes Not Built" tour yesterday
and recommend it HIGHLY to all.
We didn't get to see the 2nd Ave tunnel
(the MTA is apparantly starting a lead abatement
program there), but we did get into the built
but never opened half of Roosevelt Avenue
built as the stub-end of a line intended to go
to the Rockaways. The tunnel extends 6 or 700 feet
east of the station and is in perfect condition (albeit
dusty!) even after 60 or so years.
The tour also included the 2nd half of the Lex
Ave station on the B line -- behind the orange
wall -- and the mostly built 3rd avenue exit from
the station. We walked up from the lower
platform level to the fare collection level --
easily 7 or 8 stories.
Last but not least, the lower level of City
Hall. This is an excellent tour!
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 24, 1997 at 11:54:08:
In Reply to: [5]Old Brooklyn El Track Maps posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto
on March 23, 1997 at 02:46:44:
The fairly recent softcover book, The Brooklyn Elevateds used a
beautiful map of the pre-1918 brt el system as a background for the
last twenty or so pages of photos. BEING SLIGHTLY WIERD ON THE
SUBJECT, I MADE XEROX COPIES OF THESE PAGES, AND CUT AND PASTED A
COMPLETE MAP OF THE bROOKLYN SYSTEM THAT IS ABOUT THREE FEET BY FIVE
FEET.The detail is such that individual tracks and crossovers are
shown. The book was not cheap, but I think it is still available, and
with a little homework, you get the map free, plus you won't have to
wonder if all the sheets are there, they are!
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 24, 1997 at 12:00:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Dan Greenberg on
March 24, 1997 at 09:35:28:
Your'e breaking my heart,Dan; I am three thousand miles away, and not
likely to be able to take the tour!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 24, 1997 at 12:27:58:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Sounds (was Re: MEMORY'S) posted by Philip
Nasadowski on March 23, 1997 at 13:37:10:
I love the amount of interest thay my casual remark about subway noise
has stirred up, but I fear the quest is hopeless, because the din
resulted, for the most part, from the frightening high speed dynamics
between fifty year old cars and equally old track which had been
beaten out of guage by several inches. This allowed a hunting motion,
as railroaders call it, eventually culminating in a slamming of the
flanges from side to side, all of which reverberated in the tunnel.
The more benign sounds of traction motors, air brakes, pneumatic
doors, etc. could be reproduced, but that's not the sound I was
talking about.
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 24, 1997 at 12:35:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Erich Rastetter on
March 23, 1997 at 16:30:55:
I can assure you, having been in the portion of the Second Ave Subway
dug under Chinatown, that this portion is no where near in danger of
collapsing anytime soon. What NYC Transit is spending money on is
keeping the sump pumps active and the inspection of these tunnel
sections to prevent 2nd Ave (or the Bowery) from caving in. This
portion of the 2nd Ave Subway is actually in very good shape.
NYC Transit considers the 2nd Ave line an "active" project (whatever
that means) but I suppose we can all agree that we'll likely not see
this subway built in our lifetimes.
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 24, 1997 at 12:40:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Gary Jacobi on
March 24, 1997 at 12:00:41:
Gary ... I have this (as well as other tours) videotaped - email me if
you're interested.
Mark
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 24, 1997 at 12:42:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Dan Greenberg on
March 24, 1997 at 09:35:28:
Looks like I have to retake the tour :-)
Rumour has it that a future tour might include Utica Avenue (A/C).....
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Posted by Michael Azzollini on March 24, 1997 at 23:05:32:
I seem to recall when I was a commuter to the city on the LIRR in the
early-mid 70's, that the then under construction Archer Avenue
line(tunnel) made a turn south just after the Jamaica Station
terminal. If I'm correct, the tunnel construction was just to the east
the LIRR tracks (which head south from Jamaica to Rosedale) and below
what is now the York college athletic field, and that the construction
stopped somewhere about a 1/4 mile south of the LIRR main line? I
believe the line was supposed to use the LIRR right of way and travel
as far as Rosedale? Does anyone have any further information?
MIKE
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POSTER>Sylvain Ringuette
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Posted by Sylvain Ringuette on March 03, 1997 at 00:42:16:
In Reply to: [6]Question about abolishing 2 fare zones posted by
Richard Hu on March 01, 1997 at 20:00:55:
You will have to use a Metrocard. The information will be incoded on
the card. But I don't know exactly how.
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Posted by ClamMan on March 25, 1997 at 10:37:04:
I am doing a report on the invention of subways. I am welcome to any
info on who invented and built it, how they worked and work, the
different kinds, the materials and methods used in construction. I am
open to the most detailed info possible. Thank you for your
consideration.
THANKS,
ClamMan100
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 25, 1997 at 10:46:54:
In Reply to: [5]Info posted by ClamMan on March 25, 1997 at 10:37:04:
There is a good book on worldwide subways in many libraries called
Metropolitan Corridor. I highly recommend it, especially since you
shouldn't have to buy it.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 25, 1997 at 11:17:03:
In Reply to: [6]Info posted by ClamMan on March 25, 1997 at 10:37:04:
Not to be rude or anything -- but try doing some research first!
There is a large bibliography of subway and transit books available on
this site at [7]http://subway.k2nesoft.com/biblio/
Your school, local, or county library should have many of them. Of
particular interest regarding NYC are "Under the Sidewalks of New
York" by Brian Cudahy and "Uptown/Downtown" by Stan Fischler.
Regarding subways in general, try "Cash, Tokens, and Transfers" also
by Brian J. Cudahy and "Labryinths of Iron" by Benson Bobrick.
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POSTER>Sean Sullivan
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Posted by Sean Sullivan on March 25, 1997 at 17:39:32:
In Reply to: [6]Some Posts about Graffiti Removed posted by David
Pirmann - Web Site Host on March 19, 1997 at 20:38:00:
you do not neceseralyhave to be a "writer" to hold a genuine interest
in the art form I have submited a Sub talk that holds no illegal
specifications what soever I hope that when I come back it will still
be posted.
Thanks yours sincerely Sean Sullivan
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 25, 1997 at 18:45:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Some Posts about Graffiti Removed posted by Sean
Sullivan on March 25, 1997 at 17:39:32:
I see what you are saying here; perhaps we would all feel better about
our world if we didn't grit our teeth at the sight of grafitti, and
tried to see value in it. I will give this philosophical approach a
try. And the point that one doesn't have to be a 'WRITER' to be
interested in the subject is very well taken.
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on March 25, 1997 at 19:18:31:
In Reply to: [6]Archer Avenue line posted by Michael Azzollini on
March 24, 1997 at 23:05:32:
The Archer Avenue Extension is comprised of 4 tracks. The two lower
tracks are for the BMT 'J' line while the upper 2 tracks are used by
the IND 'E' line. At one point, strong consideration was given to
linking the two lines south-east of the Parsons-Archer Station. For
cost reasons, that was not done. The current upper level. extends
approximately 1/2 mile from the eastern (northern per NYCT protocol)
end of the Parsons Archer Station.
There was a plan whereby this line would follow Merrick Blvd. and then
Francis Lewis Blvd. out to Rosedale. At least 2 versions of this plan
exist and include using tunnel and elevated lines. There was also a 6
or 7 track storage yard proposed which would have been South of
Rosedale. South being before Rosedale as Rosedale would then be
considered the northern terminal although actually being the
southernmost point geographically. If this is confusing, don't worry.
I seriously doubt that it will be built any time soon.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on March 03, 1997 at 06:25:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs posted by Bill Mosteller on February
28, 1997 at 16:53:28:
Hmmm... I think the NYCTA bulbs are still D.C. I know at least the
newer ones are 130 v too. I'm not sure if it's true about D.C. and
A.C. through those bulbs, but I went through D.C. intro and am now
going through A.C., and I don't remeber anything about this - at least
on one level, a bulb is just a really hot resistor. (ps, please warn
me if this is all on one line!)
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 25, 1997 at 20:08:07:
Not being a NY native, sometimes, the only information I receive is
through updated maps. With that thought in mind, I was looking through
a 1979 subway map and saw the JFK Express run that was being done
between Manhatten & JFK---I never noticed w/ the updated maps that it
wasn't there any longer---what happened?
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 25, 1997 at 20:11:26:
Are there any plans to extend these lines to connect w/ the other main
lines in Queens--It would seem logical that they should be connected
but if there's one thing I've learned--very few things in NY are
logical. If there are plans, what are they?
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on March 25, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Posts about Graffiti Removed posted by Gary
Jacobi on March 25, 1997 at 18:45:50:
I think that since this is such a religious issue it is better
discussed elsewhere. Yes, there are some graffiti pictures elsewhere
on the site, and while they among the more popular areas here I have
been rethinking their place here. I don't want this site to be seen as
condoning graffiti and I certainly don't want to be accused of
providing a means for "writers" to gather tips and techniques. As I
said before, there are a large number of graffiti sites on the web
that are better suited for handling this sort of thing.
Except in the case of historical photographs, the graffiti photos on
this web site were taken in areas the NYCT considers abandoned or
unused - the 91st Street Station and the 63rd Street tunnel. Graffiti
in these areas doesn't cause a public nuisance. Most of it's never
even seen. I don't want to return to the days of seeing the trains
covered with it and I don't think we need to provide a forum for
discussing it.
After all, if it turns out you're a writer, you may end up having your
message read by law enforcement people instead. This actually happened
in Boston and resulted in arrests. See [7]The Boston Globe for an
article about it.
--Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 25, 1997 at 20:21:32:
In Reply to: [6]21st St--Queensbridge posted by Mark Greenwald on
March 25, 1997 at 20:11:26:
This is being done now. They are currently building a tunnel extension
to tie in with the Queens Boulevard main line north of Queens Plaza.
Someday if we ever get a Second Avenue Subway, the 21st St-
Queensbridge line will have a connection to it, as well (on the
Manhattan side, of course :-)
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Posted by Peter Rosa on March 25, 1997 at 21:40:21:
In Reply to: [6]JFK Express posted by Mark Greenwald on March 25, 1997
at 20:08:07:
The JFK express was cancelled for low ridership, in the late 1980s I
believe. Its main flaw was that riders could take the train only as
far as the Howard Beach subway station, whereupon they'd have to get a
shuttle bus to the terminals. Contrast that with rail lines in Atlanta
and Chicago, which travel right into the airport terminals. The
shuttle bus from Howard Beach still exists, connecting to regular A
trains. But apparently there wasn't enough demand for the special
trains.
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Posted by Steve on March 25, 1997 at 23:01:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Express posted by Peter Rosa on March 25, 1997
at 21:40:21:
Actually, not quite true. The ridership was adequate, however, the JFK
Express became more popular with commuters going to the Wall St. area
who availed themself of the service. The cost of the fare was off-set
by the parking which was available in the long term airport parking
field. Most of the year (except for the peak travel times) there was
no fee for parking in the lot. I also remember that if you did park
there, your parking ticket would be validated by the collector when
the lot was being manned. The main problem was that the Port Authority
underwrote a fair share of the operating expense of the service. When
they realized that they were subsidizing an 'upper class' subway
system and derived little benifit for their operation (JFK Airport)
they pulled the plug...
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on March 26, 1997 at 04:21:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Posts about Graffiti Removed posted by David
Pirmann - Web Site Host on March 25, 1997 at 20:18:49:
Not to drag out this thread, but:
Graffiti is vandalism. It steals my tax money which I work hard for.
It is morally wrong (and of course illegal) to steal. Period.
Art which I like, or even that which I don't like, can be given free
expression in many private and public forums in a way that doesn't
steal taxpayer money.
Of course, then the kick of "stolen water tastes sweeter" would be
lost. Enough said.
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POSTER>Ben-Zion Cassouto
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on March 26, 1997 at 04:27:31:
In Reply to: [6]Is there still an SBK? posted by David M. Razler on
March 13, 1997 at 02:05:50:
To add to the question -
Has anyone recently checked whether the track connection near Bush
Terminal waterfront still exists?
BTW, if not, how does the TA get its cars these days?
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Can anyone verify a certain point about the track config N. and S. of
DeKalb before the rebuild in the 50s:
* Is it true that the Lawrence St turnoff N. of DeKalb, and the
Atlantic Ave turnoff S. of DeKalb were always NOT at grade?
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POSTER>Iain Logan
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Posted by Iain Logan on March 03, 1997 at 09:13:05:
In Reply to: [6]Express Subways posted by John Mullervy on March 02,
1997 at 22:20:30:
London Underground run what are ineffect express
services between Hammersmith and Acton Town on the
Piccadilly Line, parallel to the District, which
serves intermediate stops.
Similarly, the Metropolitan Line runs fast between
Finchley Road and Harrow on the Hill, with only
a couple of intermediate stops, the Jubilee Line
serving the intermediate stations
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on March 26, 1997 at 04:41:48:
Regarding the old layout at QP before 1949, when the BMT ran shuttles
to Astoria and Flushing:
* My map shows that the BMT shuttles ran from the northmost platform
of the upper level, and that from there there was a switch either to
Flus or Ast.
* It appears that they arrived back from these trips to the northmost
track of the Qp lower level. Can anyone verify this?
* Now: how did they turnaround to get to the upper level departure
track. It would seem both returning Astoria and Flushing trains were
clumsily turned in the network of switches directly in the path of
return from the Flushing line, tying up the area quite well. Is this
possible?!
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 26, 1997 at 07:53:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Express posted by Steve on March 25, 1997 at
23:01:50:
I see what you mean about subsidizing the upper class going to Wall
St. There was a flaw in the system and they found it---Ingenuity at
its best. Let me ask you though, if there was an extension built
directly to the terminal and made it more convenient for people in the
terminal & not in the parking lots, do you think it could have worked?
On a separate note, the Washington Metro also has a station AT the
airport, although it's not connected to the terminal at the present
time, it is incorporated into the plans of the North Terminal
reconstruction going on now. Also, in Baltimore, the Central Light
Rail line is building a spur that will connect to the terminal
extension now under construction at Baltimore/ Washington Int'l.
In the end, make it more user friendly for airport users and not
commuters.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 26, 1997 at 08:11:54:
Here's a debatable topic to ponder---With the advent of so many new
systems having been built over the last 20-25 yrs. (San Fran./
Washington/ Atlanta/ Baltimore & LA) and now with smaller cities
building smaller light rail systems (Pittsburgh/ Dallas/ Denver),
don't you all think that it makes it difficult for older cities w/
older systems to get their systems renovated and rebuilt to current
standards? In other words, with all this new competition competing for
fed. tax dollars from the same pool of transit funds, there is now
less to go around and each system gets less because it has to spread
out so thinly. Is this fair to the newer cities trying to get their
systems off the ground? NO! Is this fair to the older cities trying to
make their systems more efficient, safe, and modernized? NO!!---What
are your thoughts?
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 26, 1997 at 11:08:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: JFK Express posted by Peter Rosa on March 25, 1997
at 21:40:21:
I have ridden both the DC National and Chicago O'Hare Transit
connections in the mid 80's during long layovers on flights. I
watched, from a transit fan's point of view, for any sign that actual
flyers were using the facility to catch a plane. My criterion was
simple; LUGGAGE! The impression I got was that nearly nobody takes
luggage with them, especially in DC where there is a long walk between
terminal and train. Therefore, I concluded that very few airline
passengers avail themselves of the service. This does not at all infer
that transit does not serve the airport well; I must conclude that
airport workers and others with business at the airport are using
transit, and taking some of the load off of roads and parking lots.
This fits in with the cynical attitude of some who want transit to
take the "other guy" to work, so the roads will clear up for them to
continue to drive wherever they want.
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Posted by Mark Feinman on March 26, 1997 at 12:44:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Is there still an SBK? posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto
on March 26, 1997 at 04:27:31:
Warning -- long append pulled from nyc.transit .... a good summary of
the SBK ....
In article , Bill Joseph wrote:
>Does anybody know anything about the South Brooklyn Railroad?
>
>I used to pass by a lot when I lived in Bay Ridge. Never saw anyone
>around, but the cars always moved. I still wonder, how/why do they
get
>the cars over to their yard? Do they use the LIRR Bay Ridge Line and
>connect in the Navy Yard, or do they go over the subway tracks? Or,
do
>they just take things off ships, and not really go anywhere? When do
>they move these trains?
>
>For those of you who do not know the area, it is west of the BQE/3rd
>Ave, on what I guess is/would be 1st Ave. The tracks leave the yard
and
>go right in the middle of the street from about 40th to the Navy Yard
on
>around 60th. Don't get confused with the old trolley tracks.
Just passed there today.
The SBkRR starts on a pier off 36th Street and 2nd Avenue, used to go
straight through what is now the CostCo parking lot (appears to have
been
re-aligned fairly recently around the south end of the lot), crosses
3d Avenue at grade, goes through a small yard between 3d and 4th
avenues,
is joined by the West End subway line (which supposedly has trackage
rights over the SBk, not the other way around; since the SBk is owned
by the NYCTA, I'm not sure what practical difference, if any, this
makes)
goes through a tunnel, the 9th Avenue station (lower level), and
dead-ends at Fort Hamilton Parkway just past the 37th-39th street
yard.
There's a new set of two sidings (with third rail) off this track in
the
yard where the trash train unloads to trucks.
Once upon a time, these tracks continued beneath the Culver Line all
the
way down 37th Street and McDonald Ave, with sidings at various places
along the way (one still visible at Kings Highway), a transfer track
to
the LIRR Bedford Branch at Avenue I, a transfer into the Coney Island
Yard somewhere around Avenue Y, and a balloon turnaround loop approxi-
mately under the Van Sicklen [Neptune Ave] station. This line was
shared by freight and passenger service, although the loop at the
south end was way too sharp for anything but a trolley car. The rails
were paved over a few years back.
The yard seems to have undergone some heavy work fairly recently.
There's
new ballast, a pile of new ties (blocking one of the main tracks!) and
a stretch of one of the yard tracks is jacked up in the air, probably
so
the aforementioned ties can be installed underneath. There are also a
couple of MoW cars hanging about.
The tracks you refer to, however, are the property of the New York
Regional Railroad (railway? not sure), formerly the NY Cross Harbor,
previously IIRC the Bush Terminal RR. These originate at the same
pier as the SBk, split off right at the pier's gate, and head
southwest
along 2nd Avenue to about 41st Street or thereabouts, turn right on
that street, then left onto 1st Avenue. There are also tracks visible
in 2nd Avenue northeast of the pier, but these are abandoned: no
longer
connected to the rest of the tracks going south. Even if they were,
the track is in horrendous shape: split switches, broken rails,
hogbacks
in the roadbed (due to humpy asphalt), etc. Still, it's fascinating to
see the huge amount of paved-over sidings: seems almost every building
on the street had one... there are some diamond crossings visible on
the abandoned section, too. (Some buildings must have had their own
tracks going straight to a pier, crossing but not interchanging with
the BTRR.) I didn't follow this to the end to see where it went; I've
got to go back sometime and see.
South of the pier, it looks old, but maintained. (Cobblestones between
the rails, with holes filled up with what looks like recent asphalt.)
There were once two tracks, but one is abandoned and mostly paved
over.
A few blocks along 1st Ave, it leaves the street for trackage in a
yard west of the street; here are two ancient ALCo/GE diesels, with
plates over the windows, still in NYCH markings; a NYC boxcar, various
other dreck, and lots of relatively new boxcars that seem to be still
in service. Lots of sidings here too, some abandoned, others active
(evidence: one had a boxcar on it, sticking out of the company's
driveway onto the sidewalk).
I followed these tracks until they disappeared into the Brooklyn Army
Terminal (not the Navy Yard: that's in Williamsburg, with its own
network of street-running tracks once owned by the Brooklyn Eastern
District Terminal RR); evidence suggests that they link up with the
LIRR Bedford Branch. at 65th Street, where there is another transfer
bridge.
Note though, that you can't go directly from the SBk to the NYRR
without
going out on the pier past the switch, then reversing.
There is what looks like an abandoned subway train, not on rails,
sitting
on this pier. Anybody have any idea what this is for?
Anyhow, to answer your question, the SBkRR mostly is used for delivery
of
new subway cars, via the center (express) track on the West End el, to
the
Coney Island yards. Freight won't fit through the tunnel southeast of
4th
Avenue, and there's noplace for it to go anyhow past there.
The NYRR is used for delivery of boxcars to various industries along
1st
and Second Avenues; also for transfer of freight from the metro area
to
New Jersey via carfloat, which is slow but faster than sending them up
to Albany.
For more info: http://bjr.acf.nyu.edu/ ("Penny Bridge") note that this
is NOT my site, but I recommend it strongly.
NYRR has their own web site, accessible via a link from the above
page.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 26, 1997 at 15:10:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Is there still an SBK? posted by Mark Feinman on
March 26, 1997 at 12:44:16:
One other thing about the SBK... Peter Dougherty recently investigated
the area and posted track maps of the SBK and NYCHRR. See
[7]NYC Subway Track Maps for the maps.
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 26, 1997 at 15:29:22:
In Reply to: [6]R-110A and B's posted by Michael Azzollini on March
18, 1997 at 21:38:54:
I read this thread about retiring some R40s and similar units in
anticipation for the new equipment to arrive. In order to raise some
capital, hasn't NYCTA Procurement thought about selling the units in
runnable shape to other transit entities running trains that are
electrically and dimensionally similar?
I'm pretty sure some entities strapped for cash will take them,
refurbish them, and integrate them into their fleet. Baltimore,
Atlanta (MARTA), and /or Dade County, Florida Metrorail might be able
to use them without having to commit so much cash.
Are the people on Livingston Street reading this suggestion???
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 26, 1997 at 15:39:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Sounds (was Re: MEMORY'S) posted by David
Pirmann on March 18, 1997 at 14:52:40:
Maybe someone with a TV or VCR directly hooked up to a PC can get
audio footage if clean from a movie such as "Nighthawks" or
"Warriors", the latter having R9 audio when running an R30 in the
video.
Of course, the suggestion above assumes copying of audio is LEGAL. I'm
not an attorney, so I'm not sure about this.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 26, 1997 at 16:34:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Airport Transit Interface posted by Gary Jacobi on
March 26, 1997 at 11:08:13:
You are absolutely right!!!!!As a native of Washington, I know first
hand the long trek across the parking lot to the airport
station---that is why they incorporated it into the plans for the new
North terminal--to solve this problem. One thing of note that I
personally noticed on several occassions---A lot of travelors do use
the Metro (DC) that come in through Union Station (Amtrak). As you may
know there is a Red Line station right in the Amtrak station--people
don't even need to go outdoors to get to the Metro--henceforth, a lot
easier to use and a lot more convenient. From where I used to live, I
would board the Metro @ Silver Spring which is further up the Red Line
and therefore noticed what happened @ Union Station on several
occassions.
Also, there is a lot of talk about where to expand the Metro beyond
it's current planned 103 mile/ 86 station system---One very common
plan is to split the Orange Line at West Falls Church and build a leg
out to Dulles Int'l Airport, throught the Tysons Corner business
community. The line would run in the median of the Dulles access road.
In Baltimore, due to open this year are two segments of the Central
Light Rail line that will connect with other transporatin hubs. One to
Baltimore/ Washington Int'l Airport and the other to Penn Station
(Amtrak). There is already a LRT station at Camden Station where it
connects with MARC commuter rail which serves both Baltimore & DC from
the Maryland suburbs.
If it works in Atlanta, it should work here.
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Posted by Steve on March 26, 1997 at 18:59:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Express posted by Mark Greenwald on March 26,
1997 at 07:53:36:
A link directly to the terminals would have made it more successful.
The ultimate success of any airport link is in how seamless the route
is. I rode the JFK Express many times and the thing that irked me was
the fact that the train would go south of the Howard Beach Station.
The train operator would then have to walk through the 3 cars to the
other end and then proceed north into the station. This took several
minutes and was frequently delayed by normal traffic of the Far
Rockaway and Rockaway Park trains.
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Posted by Iain Logan on March 03, 1997 at 09:19:08:
Congratulations on this new development Dave!
I'd welcome any feedback on the BAHN network
simulations I've contributed to the BAHN page.
All the best,
Iain
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Posted by MJS on March 26, 1997 at 21:08:54:
In Reply to: [6]DeKalb Junction posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on March
26, 1997 at 04:30:39:
South of there everything was the same, but north of there the same
tracks went to Lawrence Street, after that it was different. The
original local tracks turned inward toward the express and there were
switches so expresses at DeKalb could be local at Myrtle Ave. (the
next stop) after Myrtle there were switches that did the opposite.
North of there the expresses went to the north side (Canal Street) and
the locals to the south side (Chambers Street).
I believe that the Brighton Connections were NOT provided for in the
original plans and the provisions didn't exist when the station
opened, am I right?
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Posted by Peter Bjoern on March 27, 1997 at 06:49:31:
Does anybody know of the existance of a PC based simulation
of a subway system. I'm not looking for things like RailroadTycoon or
things where you have to manage a company, but for a more
technical thing. I recently visited the London transport museum and
saw that they had a train simulator running, where you would drive a
subway (or underground as they called it :-) train seen from the
drivers point of view.
I would really like to have such a program ...
Regards
Peter
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 27, 1997 at 07:41:46:
I vaguely remember in the 70s seeing what resembles an R10 in a
blue-and-white exterior paint scheme similar to the R33/R36 World's
Fair trains. I think these were running on the A line then.
But I also remember seeing R10s in beige with brown tops running
across an elevated track over Woodhaven Blvd.
Has anyone seen either one of the above trains with the stated paint
schemes? More concerning, was there an elevated track running
somewhere above Woodhaven Boulevard? I was a kid and was traveling
across unfamiliar territory, so I may be wrong about the thoroughfare.
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Posted by Dave Pirmann on March 27, 1997 at 09:20:02:
In Reply to: [6]R10 Paint Schemes posted by Julio Perez on March 27,
1997 at 07:41:46:
The NYCT has an R-10 painted in the blue/grey paint scheme in the yard
at Coney Island. There's a picture of it at [7]R10 page. A few years
ago they had an R-10, #3184, painted dark blue. I don't know if it's
still there, but we have a picture of it too.
--Dave
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Posted by Keranu!! on March 27, 1997 at 09:22:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Express Subways posted by Iain Logan on March 03,
1997 at 09:13:05:
The NYC Subway is vast!! I don't particularly
fancy stopping about 40 times between JFK and
Midtown. The reason other cities don't have it
is probably because their networks are neither
as dense or as huge as that of New York.
London has one of comparable size but the only
express routes are between Acton Town and
Hammersmith (District/Piccadilly Lines) and
between Baker Street and Wembley Park
(Metropolitan / Jubilee Lines)
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 27, 1997 at 09:22:47:
In Reply to: [6]PC subway simulations ? posted by Peter Bjoern on
March 27, 1997 at 06:49:31:
See [7]Subway Simulators.
There's two programs, BAHN (in German with English documentation)
which allows you to design track layouts and schedule trains. We have
layouts for the entire NYC Subway system and lots of other systems
worldwide.
Also, NXSYS, which is an interlocking simulator that provides a cab
view option.
--dave
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Posted by David Steckler on March 27, 1997 at 09:25:52:
In Reply to: [6]R10 Paint Schemes posted by Julio Perez on March 27,
1997 at 07:41:46:
The R10's ran on the A line until 1977. I believe a number of cars
were rebuilt in 1985 and the last year of service for the R10 was
1989.
The blue and white paint scheme you refer to was called the MTA
scheme, although they were also
painted in a white and turquiose scheme.
When you say the elevated at Woodhaven Blvd., do you mean the route
used by the #7 train today?
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I'm wondering if anyone knows why the Broadway (N,R) trains in New
York
are the only midtown lines with no express service even though there
are
disused express tracks north of Prince Street?
I'm also puzzled about why they withdrew the midday M train service
south of Chambers Street into Brooklyn or is it just because of the
budget crisis?
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Posted by David Steckler on March 27, 1997 at 09:31:16:
In Reply to: [6]Old systems vs. New posted by Mark Greenwald on March
26, 1997 at 08:11:54:
You raise an interesting question but the problem has to do with
federal funding. The federal government gives money to xonstruct new
systems but the funds, if any, are much skinnier for rehabbing
existing transit systems.
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Posted by Daid Steckler on March 27, 1997 at 09:40:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Airport Transit Interface posted by Mark Greenwald
on March 26, 1997 at 16:34:34:
The airport transit connection in St. Louis, MO is very convenient.
The terminal is right in the airport, no major long walks required. It
has several stops in the heart of downtown St. Louis city. Funding has
recently been obtained to extend the system to the new airport under
construction in central Illinois, providing an airport-to-airport LRV
system. Additional extensions are planned into the Clayton, MO central
business district (Clayton is the county seat of St. Louis County and
is where many office buildings are located)
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Posted by Iain Logan on March 03, 1997 at 09:19:22:
Congratulations on this new development Dave!
I'd welcome any feedback on the BAHN network
simulations I've contributed to the BAHN page.
All the best,
Iain
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Posted by Keranu!! on March 27, 1997 at 09:43:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old systems vs. New posted by David Steckler on
March 27, 1997 at 09:31:16:
I will make a lot of enemies by saying thisbut stuff the other cities!
I think the Fed. Gov. should pump all of its transit system money into
the cash-starved but absolutely brilliant NYC Subway.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on March 27, 1997 at 09:52:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old systems vs. New posted by Keranu!! on March
27, 1997 at 09:43:07:
I'm a native of DC, so I am very familiar with their nice new
system---and Baltimore's too. But I must admit, you're right, the old
systems should get top dollar, not just NY, but also, Boston, Philly &
Chicago. I consider those systems more of a safety hazard because of
all the out dated equipment. (i.e. signaling, tunnels, etc)
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Posted by Dan Weissman on March 27, 1997 at 13:43:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Express posted by Peter Rosa on March 25, 1997
at 21:40:21:
Didn't I hear something about the city proposing a new line between
JFK, LaGuardia and Manhattan recently? I grew up in New York but now
live in Texas so I don't have the newspapers available to follow this.
Did it turn out to be just another hair-brained idea of the city
"planners"?
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Posted by Dan Weissman on March 27, 1997 at 13:46:05:
Up until December I was a regular visitor to the Mercurio Railway
Server Site. Does anyone kpnow if it's still operating or is their
server down? I've been trying to access it, on and off, for about 2
months.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 27, 1997 at 14:21:19:
In Reply to: [5]R10 Paint Schemes posted by Julio Perez on March 27,
1997 at 07:41:46:
I'm pretty sure the El train you saw was the Liberty Avenue Line to
Lefferts Blvd and Rockaway, where R10's in their customary guise as
The A Train were a regular feature in the late fifties and sixties.
Woodhaven Blvd changes, in name only, to Cross Bay Blvd at about this
point.
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Posted by Allen on March 27, 1997 at 18:00:31:
hello fellow train people
i miss da subway :( im in albany now, and i hear there is a train ride
on apr 27 th .. if anyone has been on this ride, please tell me what
you thought..if you could email me that would be greatly appreciated
:>
ALlen
yoshi@albany.net
nyctarules@mightyman.com
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Posted by Steve on March 27, 1997 at 18:55:35:
In Reply to: [6]R10 Paint Schemes posted by Julio Perez on March 27,
1997 at 07:41:46:
The R-10s has 3 distinct paint schemes, that I know of. The first was
grey over grey with a red stripe on the belly-band. The second one was
the blue/beige colors you mentioned. Finally, just before they were
scrapped, several trainsets were painted in a deep green. They lasted
about a year after that and then were scrapped.
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Posted by Steve on March 27, 1997 at 19:04:32:
In Reply to: [6]Why no express on N,R trains? posted by Keranu!! on
March 27, 1997 at 09:27:08:
The reason that there is no Express Service on the Broadway Line and
the dropping of mid-day M service are related and. for the most part,
have nothing to do with budget cuts. Both are related to the closing
of the south side of the Manhattan bridge for reconstruction.. Without
the bridge, an express on the B'way line would not offer much in the
way of time savings. At the same time, with the Ns and Rs both using
the Montague Street tunnel, the addition of M service would be
dupicitous and would cause unnecessary congestion.
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Posted by Steve on March 27, 1997 at 19:18:03:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old systems vs. New posted by Mark Greenwald on
March 27, 1997 at 09:52:15:
As usual, Federal Funding for mass transit is not without strings. For
example, one section of the Urban Mass Transit Act (I could not
readily locate the exact section) provides that federal funds may not
be used to gain efficiency and cost savings through the use of new
technology if that new technology results in the loss of jobs. It's
convoluted logic like that, which force the older systems to bypass
the state -of-the-art in favor of some out of date equipment.
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Posted by Peter Gray on March 28, 1997 at 03:02:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Airport Transit Interface posted by Mark Greenwald
on March 26, 1997 at 16:34:34:
Re the metro line to Dulles Airport. The original Dulles access road
was designed with a wide median precisely to handle an envisioned
train line to the airport. This was in 1962. The planners were
certainly ahead of their time. 35 years later absolutely nothing has
happened other than numerous feasibility studies and an explosion in
suburban population in the entire Northern Virginia corridor along the
route to Dulles and beyond, which makes the roads a nightmare. Mass
transit options are virtually nil. My folks live in Herndon, Va.,
which until 1962 had (from what old-timers say) was great train
service on the Washington & Old Dominion into Alexandria & DC, and out
to Leesburg and the Shenendoah valley in the other direction. The
right-of-way still exists as a bicycle path.
I now live in Tokyo, and here in Japan new rail lines are put in
FIRST, before housing developments - a somewhat different approach.
Does anyone know what the Washington Metro's timetable for completing
the Green Line between U Street and Fort Totten (Columbia Heights and
Georgia Avenue stations)
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Posted by David M. Razler on March 03, 1997 at 13:21:31:
Over the years, the LIRR abandoned many stations in Queens
alone, but none seem to be listed in the various sites
and FAQs on abandoned stations.
Two or three remains of stairways from stretlevel and
platforms are visable on the tracks just east of
Jamaca station (at least when coming in on the Babylon
branch) Also at least one or two stations have either vanished
completely or been turned into yard/maintenance facilities,
platforms still visable on tracks cutting in towards
the Babylon branch tracks from the north, located
physically at a lower level than the Babylon tracks.
Anyone know names/histories?
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Posted by Peter Gray on March 28, 1997 at 03:19:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Mark Feinman on March
24, 1997 at 12:35:59:
Does anyone know the total cost estimate for constructing the 2nd
Avenue subway? With London privatizing their underground, perhaps a
privately-financed/owned line is one approach. It doesn't seem like
the MTA has this very high on their agenda.
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Posted by Peter Gray on March 28, 1997 at 03:45:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Peter Rosa on March
21, 1997 at 23:30:43:
Never - but never - underestimate the stupidity, greed, and corruption
of elected officials - especially in New York (as a native New Yorker,
a painful admission!).
Ken Auletta's book "The Streets Were Paved With Gold" is a great
overview of what he terms the "failure of democraticly-elected
government" in NY, which contributed to the decline of the city in the
'70's and to things like the demise of the 2nd Avenue Subway
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Posted by Peter Gray on March 28, 1997 at 03:53:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Mark Feinman on
March 24, 1997 at 12:40:23:
How often do these tours take place? How does one sign up??
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Posted by Peter Gray on March 28, 1997 at 04:09:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Express Subways posted by Will Calves on March 18,
1997 at 08:48:53:
Tokyo's system has express trains, but only for the above-ground
suburban part of their runs, where they are not really subways at all.
Even here, there are no express tracks or even third track for
rush-hour express service. Rather, the express trains just skip some
stations, and headways are ingeniously timed (down to 30 second
intervals) to enable expresses to pass locals at the few stations with
4 tracks. All trains stop at every station in the underground portions
of their routes, making the transit time slow. That's why New York,
which in the early 20th century was out to build a cadillac of a
system, opted for the express/local system.
My rail-fan friends in Tokyo are blown away by the "extravagance" of
the NY express system (as well as confused by the fact that different
lines stop at the same platform, something that is never done in
Tokyo). It's also evidence of the tremendous wealth and industrial
power of NY in the first half of this century.
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Posted by Peter Bjoern on March 28, 1997 at 07:47:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: PC subway simulations ? posted by David Pirmann on
March 27, 1997 at 09:22:47:
Thank you very much.
This seems to be just what I was looking for.
I downloaded both programs ...
regards
Peter
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 28, 1997 at 08:07:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R10 Paint Schemes posted by David Steckler on
March 27, 1997 at 09:25:52:
I don't think the 7 ever traveled over Woodhaven Blvd. As far as I can
remember, the 7 in Queens largely traveled over Roosevelt Avenue and
Queens Boulevard.
I used to live two blocks away from the Junction Boulevard station, so
I'm somewhat familiar with the 7's routing.
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Posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at 08:50:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: JFK Express posted by Dan Weissman on March 27,
1997 at 13:43:52:
This plan, in one form or another, gets trotted out every couple of
years by politicians who need an issue. They come up with elaborate
maps and drawings with lots of numbers. The latest is changing for a
LRV at Jamaica station on the LIRR for JFK or a Monorail from Newark
airport to LaGuardia. What they still don't get is that nothing will
be successful unless it's seemless and convenient. I can't believe
that the LIRR runs right into Belmont Race Track, the subway runs
right to Aquaduct race track and the politicians still don't
understand that those services work because they are seemless with
regular service. We need trains that run to the airport directly.
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Posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at 09:04:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R10 Paint Schemes posted by Julio Perez on March
28, 1997 at 08:07:49:
Woodhaven Blvd ends at Queens Blvd. This is about 3 miles from the #7
line at Junction Blvd. The #7 line runs along Queens Blvd. for about 2
miles starting at 48th Street. It never crosses Woodhaven Blvd. The
elevated lines which cross Woodhaven Blvd. are the A line at Liberty
Ave., the J/Z line at Jamaica Ave., and the LIRR just south of Queens
Blvd. The LIRR Long Island City branch passes under Woodhaven Blvd. at
Union Tpke.
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Posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at 10:28:59:
In Reply to: [6]IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Gary Jacobi on March
04, 1997 at 17:25:49:
There is another unused IND tunnel. North of the 168th St. Station on
the A line is the 174th St. yard. A1 and A2 track go back about 900 -
1000 feet to a brick wall. On the other side of the wall, rumor has
it, is a tunnel which leads to the George Washington Bridge. It was to
be a subway link to New Jersey. You probably won't see it on any
tour...
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 28, 1997 at 10:49:51:
In the wake of the extremely sad multiple suicide here in California,
there has been much media coverage about cults using the web. One
source even gave a series of questions to ask oneself to be sure a
site is not Cult based. I hate to advise us all of this, but we
qualify! And we are underground to boot!
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Posted by David M. Razler on March 03, 1997 at 13:28:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs posted by Philip Nasadowski on March
03, 1997 at 06:25:38:
OK, AC voltage is measured (generally) in RMS, or
average voltage (leaving out the math of Root Mean Square
calculation),
while DC voltage is "true" voltage.
That said, an incandescent bulb *should* glow at the same level
either under the same DC or AC voltage, if the AC voltage is not at
some outrageously high frequency. Home voltage is 60 Hz, which is,
for many purposes, practically DC.
Be that as it may, the reason one tried to steal the bare
incandescent bulbs that lit the older NYC cars is that they cost
more at the time, and during some periods, notably World War II,
were scarce.
Whether the bulbs worked optimally or not wouldn't really matter.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 28, 1997 at 12:31:52:
In Reply to: [6]Is this a Cult Website? posted by Gary Jacobi on March
28, 1997 at 10:49:51:
Yes, I guess you could say that being a subway/railfan is sort of
cultish, especially during a photo lineup. :-)
But don't worry, we're not proposing that a majestic spectral A-Train
is hiding behind comet Hale-Bopp waiting to take us all to that Grand
Central Terminal in the sky, or something equally mindless :-)
--dave
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Posted by Todd Glickman on March 28, 1997 at 13:11:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Steve on March 21, 1997
at 20:17:30:
Not so fast on the scrapping! Recall that the new 63rd Street
Connection (from the Queens Blvd. Line to Queensbridge) will require
new trainsets. This line, by the way, is tentatively called the "V"
train. There have
been a number or proposals on how to realign service along Queens
Blvd. when this service begins, but to the best of my knowledge, no
decison has yet been made.
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Posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at 16:21:32:
For those that are interested, the NYCT has a mock-up of the new R-142
car. It is at 130 Livingston Street in Brooklyn.
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Posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at 16:31:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Todd Glickman on March
28, 1997 at 13:11:35:
Perhaps so but the 63rd St. connection will not open until the year
2001. As a matter of fact, the current plan calls for the Q train to
be extended to Continental Avenue. To provide the additional service,
14 additionl trains would be required. By that time, or shortly there
after, more of the R-143s will likely be on line.
In conjunction with this, is a plan to realign Stillwell Avenue
station and provide a 9th track which will not have a platform. This
will give Q trains a route from Stillwell Yd. to Brighton Beach
without being blocked at Stillwell Ave.
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Posted by miriam ely on March 28, 1997 at 20:17:32:
I will be designing a metro station in LA for my thesis in
architecture and I'm interested in the sub-world as a transitional
place of human gathering and interaction.
If something has happened to you before or if you have seen some
strange happenings in ametrostation or train, I would love to know!
Thanks,
miriam
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on March 28, 1997 at 21:03:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Is this a Cult Website? posted by David Pirmann on
March 28, 1997 at 12:31:52:
Regardless of whether this is a cult website or not, some users may
starve to death waiting for the subtalk index page to load. Some
method of filtering posts or a time limit for same is needed before
this becomes another E train (overcrowded to the point where one
want's to walk across the 59th St. Bridge [and just maybe jump off -
in keeping with the cult thread])
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Posted by Michael Azzollini on March 28, 1997 at 22:45:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Is this a Cult Website? posted by Gerry O'Regan on
March 28, 1997 at 21:03:28:
As a visitor to the site on a daily basis, I'm only interested in the
posts that were placed recently(since I've already read the previous
postings). When I choose to hyperlink to Subtalk, I "STOP" the
download(by thread) immediately as it starts to show on my screen and
then choose to download the index by "date". Once I get the top of the
list(the unread messages) I can stop the download again and start to
view the postings,- this way the entire index page doesn't have to
download to see what's new. As a suggestion to the David Pirmann(the
site host), maybe when the Homepage downloads, the viewer can have a
choice of downloading Subtalk by "thread" or by "date"(ie:two links
vs. one link).
MIKE
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Posted by Bob Redden on March 28, 1997 at 23:35:57:
In Reply to: [6]NYC buses pictures posted by Ron on March 19, 1997 at
13:51:50:
I post NY Metro area Buses BIG time. Over 250 since I started (1800
Bus) on alt.binaries.pictures.vehicles. Getting ready to lay out a BIG
Triboro Coach historic set some time next week. Have a bunch of NYCTA
Cars up right now.
Cheers! Bob
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Posted by Bob Redden on March 28, 1997 at 23:39:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Bus Photos posted by wiljan koopmans on March 22,
1997 at 07:12:01:
up right now on alt.binaries.pictures.vehicles
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Posted by Bob Redden on March 28, 1997 at 23:43:23:
and of course having grown up in the shadow of Ditmars Plaza loads of
NYC Metro area stuff. The Public Service of NJ group had over 50 in
them. Look for a HUGE Triboro historic group in the next week or so.
Greyhounds, Trailways you name it it gets up on..
alt.binaries.pictures.vehicles
ALWAYS KEEP YOUR EYE ON THIS SITE!
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Posted by malcolm on March 03, 1997 at 17:25:10:
I am searching for anyone with information on problems with the
new york subway system ie. where they lie, whats involved and
what attempts have been made to fix them
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Posted by Peter Rosa on March 28, 1997 at 23:53:47:
In Reply to: [6]Is this a Cult Website? posted by Gary Jacobi on March
28, 1997 at 10:49:51:
Given the latest news reports about the Higher Source, I think the
best way to tell if we're a cult is to listen - do we talk with
squeaky little voices ?
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Posted by Bob Andersen on March 29, 1997 at 11:52:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Airport Transit Interface posted by Peter Gray on
March 28, 1997 at 03:02:16:
Early on, much of NYC's Elevateds and subways were also built in
relatively deserted areas. It was the rail lines that spurred the
development of these areas.
Perhaps our slogan should be : Build it and they will come!
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on March 29, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: Is this a Cult Website? posted by Gerry O'Regan on
March 28, 1997 at 21:03:28:
Yes, I plan to "archive" the posts. webboard doesn't come with a
facility for doing that so i'll have to write some code to do it. So
look for it soon.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 29, 1997 at 20:56:48:
Hello,
I've added some US Urban Mass Transportation Administration documents
to a new section about the Second Avenue Subway:
[6]Second Avenue Subway
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Posted by beau on March 30, 1997 at 00:12:39:
In Reply to: [5]weird subway incidents posted by miriam ely on March
28, 1997 at 20:17:32:
miriam, i think i know you, do you live in l a ?>
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Posted by Bob on March 30, 1997 at 03:53:58:
www.redondo.com/business/graffiti.html
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Posted by Bob on March 30, 1997 at 03:56:07:
Check out website www.redondo.com/business/graffiti.html. Tell
everyone about this . This will be unbelievably dope. Peace
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Posted by Steve on March 30, 1997 at 08:52:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Airport Transit Interface posted by Gary Jacobi on
March 26, 1997 at 11:08:13:
As usual, another opportunity to develope a transit-airport link will
be bypassed by the NY MTA. There is less than 2 miles of mostly
undeveloped land between the Ronkonkoma Station on the LIRR and
MacArthur Airport. No connection is planned.
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Posted by Steve on March 30, 1997 at 08:57:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "Miss Subways" Advertising Campaign posted by Gary
Jacobi on March 06, 1997 at 17:27:24:
between 1963 and 1972, I rode the subways daily during my High School
& College years. The dates are definitely correct. Some of the posters
have survived via the museum cars.
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SUBJECT>Very Interesting Site Would make a great movie
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Posted by chris bright on March 30, 1997 at 14:56:48:
In Reply to: [6]R-142 Mock-Up posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at
16:21:32:
I enjoy surfing your site and think it would make a great movie. I
especially enjoy the mosiacs, tilework and turn of the century artwork
I see when I ride the subways (14th St. has some nice tilework)Was
wondering if there were any other interested parties in a project like
this???
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POSTER>Laurence Simpson
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Posted by Laurence Simpson on March 03, 1997 at 20:39:07:
In Reply to: [6]NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by David M. Razler
on March 03, 1997 at 13:21:31:
I grew up in Jamaica as a kid. If memory serves me right, the first
set of platforms east of Jamaica Station belonged to the old Union
Hall Station. It was unused even in the later 50's. These platforms
were really local stops, and probably fell into disuse with the
building of the IND subway out to 168th Street, and ultimately 179th
Street in Jamaica. Prior to that, your choices to get to Jamaica were
the BMT Jamaica El on Jamaica Avenue, or the LIRR. If you worked in
"midtown", it would have been a lot easier to take the LIRR.
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Posted by Erich Rastetter on March 30, 1997 at 23:44:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by David Pirmann on
March 25, 1997 at 20:21:32:
Yes, they will connect the "B Q" to the Queens Blvd. Line. Its taken
them years to get this far, and it seems a long way off untill they
finish!
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Posted by David Steckler on March 31, 1997 at 07:29:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Airport Transit Interface posted by Steve on March
30, 1997 at 08:52:15:
Not really practical to construct a connection from the Ronkonkoma
station to MacArthur. Unless someone lived on the Ronkonkoma line,
anyone living east of Hicksville would need to take the train west
then transfer at Hicksville to a Ronkonkoma train. Given the fact that
MacArthur is centrally located in Suffolk County, it's probably faster
for most people to drive.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on March 31, 1997 at 12:09:23:
To anyone living in the midwest, you might like to know that the
Chicago Transit Authority is pulling out a five-car 5-50 series(green
and white cars) train for a CTA fan trip.The trip starts at
Harlem/Lake on the Lake/Englewood/Jackson Park(Green) line and will
cover all of the Lake/Englewood/Jackson
Park(Green),Midway(Orange),Evanston Express(Purple) lines and portions
of the
Congress/Douglas/O'Hare(Blue),Howard/Dan-Ryan(Red),Ravenswood(Brown),a
nd Skokie Swift(Yellow) lines.The trip will conclude at the
Harlem/Lake, Lake/Englewood/Jackson Park(Green)line station. The cars
are being used as work cars and are soon to be retired. This may be
one of your last opportunities to ride a PCC rapid transit car in
Chicago. For fare info and more information go to the Illinois Railway
Museums' web site at www.irm.org.
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Posted by Ken on March 31, 1997 at 13:14:17:
Im taking the metronorth into Grand Central for the NYC bike tour on
May 4.
How do I get to battery Park for the start? Subway or just ride our
bikes. There will be about seven of us? If we use the subway- what
line, and what exit?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on March 31, 1997 at 13:33:05:
In Reply to: [6]NYC BIKE TOUR posted by Ken on March 31, 1997 at
13:14:17:
Take the #4 train from Grand Central and get off at Bowling Green
Station and you will be at the northeast corner of Battery Park.
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Posted by Jim on March 31, 1997 at 13:34:25:
In Reply to: [5]NYC BIKE TOUR posted by Ken on March 31, 1997 at
13:14:17:
Take the #4 to Bowling Green Station
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Posted by Steve on March 31, 1997 at 21:59:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by Erich Rastetter on
March 30, 1997 at 23:44:52:
You are right. The connection is due to open in the year 2001. The 'Q'
train will be extended to Continental Avenue at that time.
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on April 02, 1997 at
Sorry about the downtime, folks. The ISP was doing some wiring work at
their site which took much longer than expected. Compounded on top of
that, the ethernet connection to the web server has developed some
flakiness which I'll fix tonight. So bear with us while we straighten
it all out.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 02, 1997 at 12:16:49:
In Reply to: [5]NYC BIKE TOUR posted by Ken on March 31, 1997 at
13:14:17:
You need to know how bike-friendly the subway is or isn't, and I dont
know the answer. Seven guys with bikes would not be welcomed on my
local unenlightened transit system, so I would be concerned. Dave, and
other local afficionados, please come to the rescue and prevent a
mojor incident from occuring on the 4th of May!
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POSTER>Mark Feinman
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Posted by Mark Feinman on April 02, 1997 at 12:40:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Is this a Cult Website? posted by David Pirmann on
March 28, 1997 at 12:31:52:
... you...you mean, we don't all go to the great Trainyard in the sky,
where the Pennsylvania and New York Central railroads live on, and the
IND Second System is alive and running with R1/9s, and the BMT
Bluebirds (all 500 of them!) merrily roll along ..... I thought,
I..I...I....just can't believe this to be true .....
Maybe it's Hailey's comet ... yeah, that's the ticket :-))))
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POSTER>Steve
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Posted by Steve on March 03, 1997 at 21:27:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Question about abolishing 2 fare zones posted by
Sylvain Ringuette on March 03, 1997 at 00:42:16:
The two fare zones will only be abolished for intermodal use
(transferring from bus to subway or vice-versa). When a person uses
their metrocard to board a bus, the card serial # and the time will be
recorded in the metro-card computer. It can then be used up to two
hours later to enter a subway station (only). After two hours, the
free transfer is lost and another fare will be required...
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 02, 1997 at 18:33:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: "Miss Subways" Advertising Campaign posted by
Steve on March 30, 1997 at 08:57:14:
I have to yield to your more recent recollection. This might imply
that I wasn't as red- blooded a youngster as I thought, or, even more
likely, that I payed as little attention to advertisements then as I
do today.
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Posted by Steve on April 02, 1997 at 19:14:21:
In Reply to: [6]Queensboro Plaza posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on March
26, 1997 at 04:41:48:
I think the answer to your questions can be found in "The Tracks of
New York" Number 3 by Alan Paul Kahn & Jack May. There are two very
good drawings of the Queensboro Plaza Layout circa 1920. If you
contact me via E-Mail, I can scan the 2 drawings for you.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 02, 1997 at 19:18:00:
In Reply to: [5]Second Ave Subway (again) posted by David Pirmann on
March 29, 1997 at 20:56:48:
This is fabulous stuff, Dave. It is mind boggling that UMTA tried to
go with a seven page EIS, even in 1973. (or did you trim it down)
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 02, 1997 at 19:31:58:
In Reply to: [5]weird subway incidents posted by miriam ely on March
28, 1997 at 20:17:32:
Good Lord, girl, where do you want me to start! Perhaps the overall
statement that the NY subways were, and I'm sure still are populated
with a subculture of, as far as one can tell, perpetual riders. Many
rode quietly, almost sullenly, but a few were very animated creatures.
My favorites were a few regulars who made it a point to ride the
trains carring a large number of college students. Each had a trick
Math or other question that they would try to stump a student with. I
soon learned how ecstatic they became if you allowed yourself to be
taken in. I always let them, figuring I would be living far away,
making a good living some day, whereas they would still be riding
aimlessly, and might treasure these little victories at no real cost
to me.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 02, 1997 at 19:58:33:
In Reply to: [5]White Pot Underjump posted by Steve Kreisler on March
15, 1997 at 21:13:53:
I notice no answer to your question has surfaced, so I will offer a
longshot. During the years of competition between the Long Island and
two other rivals in the ninteenth century, the LI built what they
called the White Line vaguely described as serving Flushing. The
Rockaway line was in existance before 1880, but only as far north as
the Hunters point line, which was the Main at the time. The underjump
at Rego Park was added with the new electrified main from Penn Station
in about 1910, at which time the Rockaway line was electrified as
well. I have never seen a map depicting the White line, so cannot
speculate any further.
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POSTER>Bob Andersen
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Posted by Bob Andersen on April 02, 1997 at 22:05:51:
In Reply to: [5]Express Subways posted by John Mullervy on March 02,
1997 at 22:20:30:
Because, being New Yorkers, we're always in a rush!
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Posted by David M. Razler on April 02, 1997 at 22:27:51:
I looked closely this week and counted three: One is on the tracks
leading to the giant train maintenance building - there used to be a
full station there in my (20-year) memory, then a bare platform, now
just the remains of one.
On the tracks just East of Jamaica, there are the remains of at least
two platforms with blocked concrete stairs leading down to streat
level at each end. Anyone know which is Union (Hall?) Station and the
names of the others?
dmr
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Posted by David M. Razler on April 02, 1997 at 22:37:32:
Night-time work continues on the northbound 1&9 in midtown, forcing
the trains onto the express tracks after 42nd St until I believe all
the way to 72nd.
Views of the construction equipment ripping out the old wooden ties
and ballast and replacing everything with concrete(?) sleepers
apparently without ballast are excellent. The major problem seems to
be the favoritism shown the 1&9 for those wishing donations for
"music" or "song."
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POSTER>David Pirmann - Web Site Host
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on April 02, 1997 at
In Reply to: [6]Re: Second Ave Subway (again) posted by Gary Jacobi on
April 02, 1997 at 19:18:00:
I was given excerpts from the actual reports. There's a lot of stuff
missing from some of them, which I don't actually have myself. Of what
I have, I didn't leave out any text. What I have (and what you see on
the web) is about 20-30 typeset pages from each report (which are
typeset in pretty big fonts).
--Dave
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on April 03, 1997 at 03:35:23:
Does anyone have solid info on the **NIGHT SERVICES** run by the BMT
in the 1930s (before the various El abandonments, but after 4th Ave,
et al, were in full service)?
I am particularly unsure about Southern Div routes: Brighton, Sea
Beach,
West End, Culver 4th Ave.
The issues are:
a. Terminals
b. Broadway vs Nassau Loop
c. Express or local:
- on 4th Ave Brooklyn
- on Broadway Manhattan
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SUBJECT>Re: light bulbs
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Posted by Steve on March 03, 1997 at 21:35:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs posted by Bill Mosteller on February
28, 1997 at 16:53:28:
I have heard rumors that the NYCT used reverse thread bulbs but in
more than 15 years, I have yet to see one. The problem of theft was
from the cars. The cars have long since gone to fluorescent lighting.
Stealing bulbs is still a problem in the tunnels but this is due
largely to vandalism. The bulbs are usually found broken.
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Posted by steve on April 03, 1997 at 22:53:42:
In Reply to: [6]More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms posted by
David M. Razler on April 02, 1997 at 22:27:51:
The platform closest to Jamaica Station, I believe is Union Hall
Station. Coincidentally, this is on Union Hall Street. The station
which is on the lead to the Hillside Mtce. Facility eastern lead is
Belaire. I'm not aware of the 3rd station but will check it out in the
morning.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on April 04, 1997 at 07:41:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms posted by
steve on April 03, 1997 at 22:53:42:
Correct... the Hempstead branch, way back when, (according to my
father
who rode it from Brooklyn to Hofstra) after Jamaica went:
Union Hall Street
Hillside
Hollis
Bellaire
Queens Village
Bellrose
Floral Park
Stewart Manor
Nassau Blvd.
Garden City
Country Life Press
Hempstead
Signs of the old Union Hall Street station are still there as noted;
the Hillside station was where the overpass to the Babylon branch now
joins the Main Line just west of the Hillside Facility employee
station.
The Bellaire station was in use well into the 70's I believe.
Now here's a quiz on another topic:
Name the only station on the LIRR that has electric service just once
a day, and only in one direction, and why! (Bonus points for
historical
background...)
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Posted by Richard Bevan on April 04, 1997 at 09:02:36:
I am trying to find some background information on P and BRK wires. I
understand that this system is in general use in USA. I realise that
the
system allows analogue signals to be transmitted from the cab to the
brake
and propulsion equipments as a current loop signal switched at low
frequency
(109 Hz?).
What I would like to know is the background to this system and how
fault
conditions are detected and handled.
Any information and/or pointers to reference documents would be
appreciated.
Regards
Richard
P.S. I have just got access to the web and it is amazing what railway
information is out there. Found the NY site very interesting.
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Posted by Steve on April 04, 1997 at 11:14:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Todd Glickman on April 04, 1997 at 07:41:38:
I believe the correct answer is Hunters Point. Train #2068 - the 5:29
to Ronkonkoma....
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Posted by Todd Glickman on April 04, 1997 at 11:37:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Steve on April 04, 1997 at 11:14:08:
Well if yours is true, then there are TWO! It's not the one I'm
thinking of...
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Posted by David Steckler on April 04, 1997 at 12:23:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Plaza posted by Steve on April 02, 1997
at 19:14:21:
There are several excellent pictures of BMT equipment (Q cars) in
shuttle service at or near Queensboro Plaza in,The Brooklyn Elevated,"
by James Greller and Edward Watson. There are other pictures in
"Subway to the Worlds Fair," by Frederick Kramer and a picture in
"They Moved the Millions," by Ed Davis.
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Posted by Blaise Dupuy on April 04, 1997 at 13:00:20:
I was looking at a Hagstrom street atlas and noticed that there is a
rail line going from the SIRR along the north shore of Staten Island
to Elizabeth connecting with the North East Corridor of NJTransit. Did
they ever run trains into Manhattan on these tracks, and/or could this
be done now?
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Posted by David Steckler on April 04, 1997 at 16:27:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Queensboro Plaza posted by Steve on April 02, 1997
at 19:14:21:
There are some excellent pictures of BMT equipment (Q cars)on the
shuttle approaching Queensboro Plaza in, "The Brooklyn Elevated," by
James Greller and Edward Watson. There are pictures of the BMT
equipment in "Subway to the World's Fair," by Frederick Kramer (about
the 1939 World's Fair) and in "They Moved the Millions," by Ed Davis.
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Posted by Steve on March 03, 1997 at 21:36:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs posted by Bill Mosteller on February
28, 1997 at 16:53:28:
I have heard rumors that the NYCT used reverse thread bulbs but in
more than 15 years, I have yet to see one. The problem of theft was
from the cars. The cars have long since gone to fluorescent lighting.
Stealing bulbs is still a problem in the tunnels but this is due
largely to vandalism. The bulbs are usually found broken.
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Posted by Bob Andersen on April 04, 1997 at 18:49:14:
In Reply to: [5]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Todd Glickman on April 04, 1997 at 11:37:10:
This is a wild guess: Isn't there one electric train that starts from
East Williston on the Oyster Bay Branch in the AM. I think all the
other trains servicing that station are Diesels.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 04, 1997 at 19:11:29:
Does anyone know of a web page or web pages that has information on
the announced restoration of Grand Central Terminal,that includes
article or articles and possibly photos?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 04, 1997 at 22:06:06:
In Reply to: [6]SIRR to NYC posted by Blaise Dupuy on April 04, 1997
at 13:00:20:
The north shore line hasn't been used in a number of years. From what
I've heard, the line is in fairly poor shape and some of the tracks in
New Jersey may no longer be intact. It probably could be reopened with
some cost and effort, but as far as I know there haven't been any
serious proposals toward that end.
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Posted by Steve on April 04, 1997 at 22:09:48:
In Reply to: [6]P & BRK Wires posted by Richard Bevan on April 04,
1997 at 09:02:36:
'P' Wire was used on NYCT equipment for 2 contracts of cars. The R-44s
and then the R-46s both were delivered with brake systens controlled
by a P Wire signal as opposed to the standard control via 'straight
air'. Simply put, at full current, the brakes would release and at
zero current, a full service brake application would occur. Obviously
a failure of the P Wire generator or anywhere in the P Wire loop
caused a stuck brake condition.
R-44 equipment was particularly susceptible to this form of failure
because it didn't have the redundent systems built into the R-46. The
46s had 2 P-Wire generators which could be controlled from the cab via
a 'transfer switch'. In addition, they had Hostlers, miniature
controllers which allowed the train to be operated (only up to 2nd
point of power and 2 fixed brake rates) during a P-Wire or control
failure. Later, a Stuck Brake Bypass was added. This released the
brakes without P Wire in the event of a failure. Happily, in 1990, P
Wire was removed from both contracts during the cars mid-life
overhaul.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 05, 1997 at 00:15:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Bob Andersen on April 04, 1997 at 18:49:14:
He he he......
Make that two lines - yes, there is an electric from East Williston,
and i think durring PM peak there's an electric that terminates at
Mineola, however I've never actually seen an electric on Oyster Bay.
Oh yeah, since we're in the area, does anybody know about the old
Garden City station, and the ROW that was pulled out sometime i think
in the 1970's in that area.
I think it was the Mitchel Field run, and I read somewhere that it was
the last line to run MP 41's, and the only one to run RDC's on the
LIRR
I'm assuming it was electric at some point, anyone know about this??
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Posted by David Steckler on April 05, 1997 at 08:01:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 05, 1997 at 00:15:13:
I think the RDC's were run only on the Babylon-Patchogue Scoot.
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Posted by Bob Andersen on April 05, 1997 at 12:58:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 05, 1997 at 00:15:13:
The Central RR of Long Island ran from Flushing through Queens to
Creedmore (which used to be some sort of recreation area, rather than
a psychiatric hospital), crossing what is now the LIRR main line near
Floral Park, continuing along the present day Hempstead Branch ROW to
Garden City. From there it extended all the way to Bethpage, finally
ending at Babylon (the portion from Bethpage to Babylon is still in
use ).
The book I have, Steel rails to the Sunrise, by Ron Ziel and George
Foster, shows the portion from Flushing to Creedmore being abandoned
in 1879 (much of it now is the Kissena Corridor) and that from
Creedmore to Floral Park abandoned somewhat later (although there was
still a trestle over Jericho Tpke. at Little Neck Pkwy. as late as the
70's). I'm not sure when the portion from Garden City to Bethpage was
last used.
One question: There is a firehouse east of the present day Garden City
Station along the old ROW that certainly LOOKS like an old station.
Does anyone know anything about its history?
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Posted by Matthias Muche on April 05, 1997 at 13:14:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no express on N,R trains? posted by Steve on
March 27, 1997 at 19:04:32:
Does anyone know when all tracks on the Manhattan Bridge will be
available for service again? Will this automatically lead to the
re-introduction of Broadway Express service?
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 05, 1997 at 16:31:08:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Bob Andersen on April 05, 1997 at 12:58:28:
Yes, it WAS a station!! It was the origional Garden City stop. That
ROW goes to Mitchell field, and is cut off by some major road.
Now, I think this was in use as the Mitchell field run. Incedently,
the tracks are still intact to Mitchell field (breaking off right
after the current Garden city stop)
and are STILL in use!!! When the RBB&B circus is in town, they park
the train over behind Roosevelt field.
Now, why the LIRR doesn't build a station over to Roosevelt field.
The bulk of the trackage is there (right up to the boarder of it), and
it might help ease the obnoxious
congestion in the area (plus pull in people from the city which is
probbly why it'll never happen)
Anyway, It is interesting to note that the third rail runs for a few
hundred after the switch off of the hempstead branch.
I think it once ran to mitchell field, but i don't know.
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Posted by Pat Villani on April 05, 1997 at 22:40:30:
I just recently purchased a set of IRT R21 HO scale kits and
I'm about to start modeling a fictional shuttle that runs part
elevated and part underground.
I remeber two paint schemes, a dark grey (or was it a dirty
green) and a blue and white in the late seventies. Were there
any other colors used on these cars?
Pat
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Posted by philip nasadowski on March 04, 1997 at 02:01:18:
In Reply to: [6]NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by David M. Razler
on March 03, 1997 at 13:21:31:
Hmm...I know of Elmhurst on the Porst Washington branch. i think it
was still open when I was younger (1980ish). Also remember a few on
the Huntington mainline that are abandoned, but still have visible
platforms (like Elmhurst). Only other one I know of in the system is
the old Garden City stop, which still exists, tracks and all. I think
the trackage was the old Mitchel Field run, or maybe some other
mainline (?!?) I also think it was electric, although it's a low
platform (as the Port Wash stops were and some of Metro North is). No
third rail anymore, but I sorta remember reading that MP 41s were used
on that run...
Interesting aside - if you look under the platform at Manhasset,
you'll see the old low one, still intact.
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Posted by dick on April 06, 1997 at 03:16:41:
is there any news out there on how the homeless are doing , they say
they got rid of them. letn a mid west dork know how they did it.
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Posted by Todd Glickman on April 06, 1997 at 08:44:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: More on LIRR Queens abandoned platforms and a
QUIZ! posted by Bob Andersen on April 04, 1997 at 18:49:14:
Yes indeed. There's a 7:28 A.M. Mon-Fri only departure from East
Williston westbound. (There is no corresponding P.M. eastbound train.)
The equipment for the A.M. train deadheads to East Williston and
relays on the crossover just east of East Williston.
In the late 60's there was a push to electrify the Oyster Bay branch,
but the communities didn't want to give up their "rural" diesel
service, so the LIRR abandoned the plans. But in the meantime, they
had built high-level patforms and extended the third rail to East
Williston. I suppose they have continued to run the one A.M. train to
keep the third rail shiny!
Now, of course, they will have to build high level platforms all the
way to Oyster Bay to accomodate the new bi-level coaches that won't
have traps and steps for ground level loading.
(I grew up in Roslyn Heights, not far from the Albertson station. It
sure is nice to go home and hear the crossing whistles. Where I live
in suburban Boston now, whistles are outlawed.)
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Posted by David Steckler on April 06, 1997 at 12:07:16:
In Reply to: [6]R21/22 Paint scheme posted by Pat Villani on April 05,
1997 at 22:40:30:
In the early 1980's, R21's were painted white. When rebuilt, I believe
they were painted red.
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Posted by Jim on April 06, 1997 at 14:18:24:
In Reply to: [6]homeless people posted by dick on April 06, 1997 at
03:16:41:
Unfortunately, nothing could be further from the truth. The subway
homeless population is growing every day. They proliferate such lines
as the A, D, E & F trains every night to the point where the stench in
some cars is so intollerable, paying customers are forced to flee to
others cars. They don't bathe, they urinate and deficate in cars and
stations, both. They carry their stinking belongings in plastic bags
and carts. Some sleep in mezzanines, on station benches or right on
the platforms. The City of NY has done little to resolve the problem
and in reality, little can be done. These are individuals who are
non-functional and in many cases, mentally ill. The outreach programs
pick them up but the subways are more desireable than the shelters
that they are taken to. So they return, night after night. Ultimately
their plight is to die of illness, as a crime victim or under the
wheels of a train, while trying to retrieve a soda can for the 5 cent
deposit.
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I've noticed that on many subway cars there's a smaller decal(or
sticker) affixed to the car side just below the number plate. It's the
same lenght as the number plate but only 3 or 4 inches high, as
compared to the 12 inches or so for the number plates. I've seen them
in yellow, orange, and in black with orange diamonds on them. Does
anyone know the meaning of these decals?
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 06, 1997 at 16:12:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: homeless people posted by Jim on April 06, 1997 at
14:18:24:
Yeah, I've noticed lots of them, mostly on the A/C/E. For some reason,
they don't seem to like the numbers much, I almost never see them on
the 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/9
It seems that every time I take the A/C/E, I end up hearing a "sales
pitch" from
a "homeless, jobless, shell shocked Vietnam (sp?) Vet" That line is
getting real old, real quick....
Also, anyone notice that the rats are back on those lines too?
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Posted by robert bonin on April 06, 1997 at 16:23:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why no express on N,R trains? posted by Matthias
Muche on April 05, 1997 at 13:14:05:
I'm wondering why express service in brooklyn on the N line was
re-introduced but on such a limited basis. Only during midday weekdays
can you get express service between pacific-36th street-59 street.
The N was one of the fastest trains before closing the south side of
the manhattan bridge. Now it's local in brooklyn(except for the ltd
express service), the slowest local in manhattan, and of course in
queens it only has a relatively short run from Queensboro Plaza to
Ditmars.
The N used to run express all the time between 59th street in brooklyn
and pacafic street. Then it ran over the bridge by-passing dekalb,
lawrence st and boro hall in brooklyn and whitehall, rector, cortland,
and city hall in manhattan going straight to Canal street. Then it was
a fast express to 57
street(where it used to terminate.)
Lastly, being from Astoria in Queens I take the N all the time. I
don't mind telling you folks that it seems to me that going from
Manhattan to Queens, I find I wait at least 20-25 minutes for the
train. It's very frustrating. I know it's a long line from Coney
Island out, but come on, put some more trains on. And don't add any of
those ugly r-68 cars. Fill up the line with r-32 cars. They're faster,
more reliable, have better temp control, and you can look out the
front and back windows
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 06, 1997 at 17:07:57:
I remember reading a while back(cant remember wear or when) that the
MTA was planning on replacing several tacky,ugly and outdated subway
station kiosks with those that look very much like the Astor Place
kiosks.Is this accurate or im I thinking of something else?
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Posted by Steve on April 06, 1997 at 17:52:17:
In Reply to: [6]Subway car number plates posted by Michael Azzollini
on April 06, 1997 at 15:55:59:
The colors, in and of themself are meaningless. The decals are put on
the cars to indicate that certain modifications have been completed.
This method is used especially when the modification makes cars of the
same class not 100% compatible. The reflective tape is so yard
dispatchers, when making up their trains, do not put non-compatible
equipment together.
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Posted by John on April 06, 1997 at 20:21:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R21/22 Paint scheme posted by David Steckler on
April 06, 1997 at 12:07:16:
There were a few different colors that the R-21 (and other cars) wore.
In the 1960s, a standard color was a very dark green, almost an olive
color. Also another 1960s color was an all-red scheme, similar to the
current color, but brighter. In the 1970s, the scheme was changed to
silver with the MTA blue band running along the lower side of the car.
Many trains were white-washed in the late '70s and '80s as a measure
to reduce graffitti, and the current scheme is a dark red with a
silver top.
TIP: Watch the movie "The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three". The
hijacked train is an R-21 train with the silver and blue colors.
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Well, I guess I should get the ball rolling...
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Posted by philip nasadowski on March 04, 1997 at 02:06:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs/resistors dc vs ac posted by David M.
Razler on March 03, 1997 at 13:28:15:
So as long as the bulb is rated 120 DC, it'll run on A.C. at 120 too.
I think the reason why they are 130, not 120, is because the tunnel
lighting that you see with lights in groups of 5 or 6, is D.C., from
the third rail.
I think quite a bit of the origional lighting was that way, and it
made sense back then, since D.C. was in MUCH more widespread use back
then. As was 25 cycle A.C, I have an old RCA radio that is able to run
on 25 cycle lines.
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Posted by John on April 06, 1997 at 20:41:58:
In Reply to: [5]Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies? posted by
Julio Perez on March 26, 1997 at 15:29:22:
If I'm not mistaking, I think the TA has sold some of its R-46 cars to
the subway system of Caracus, Venezuala.
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Posted by John on April 06, 1997 at 20:56:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by David Pirmann on March
15, 1997 at 10:55:21:
That's it? Man, is my face red! What happened to the other 9? And why
were there so few?
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Posted by John on April 06, 1997 at 21:00:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by David Pirmann on March
15, 1997 at 10:55:21:
That's it? Well, so much for that idea. But what happened to the other
9 cars, and why were there so few to begin with?
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on April 06, 1997 at 21:01:23:
Where can I get information on the proposed light rail link between
JFK and the LIRR Jamaica station ? I had no success when I
contacted the Port Authority. Does anyone know if the line
will be extended to Manhattan ?
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POSTER>Ted Nielsen
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on April 06, 1997 at 21:13:11:
In Reply to: [6]Mercurio Railway Server posted by Dan Weissman on
March 27, 1997 at 13:46:05:
http://mercurio.iet.unip.it/home.html
This address still works for me.
The server is now called The European Railway Server ,
because there is a company with the name Mercurio.
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 06, 1997 at 22:47:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway car number plates posted by Steve on April
06, 1997 at 17:52:17:
Are you sure? I heard someplace that the stickers indicate the yard at
which the car is kept and maintained.
--Dave.
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Posted by Steve on April 06, 1997 at 22:56:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway car number plates posted by David Pirmann
on April 06, 1997 at 22:47:56:
Perhaps in the 'A' division (IRT) but definitely not so in the 'B'
division (BMT/IND). Car fleet assignments change so frequently,
color-coding the cars would be impractical. Recently, to accommodate
such a change, Pitkin Yd. sent 20 R-32s to Jamaica Yd.
Jamaica Yd. sent 20 R-32s to Coney Island.
East NY sent 4 R-40s to Coney Island and
Coney Island sent 12 R-68s to the Concourse Yd.
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 07, 1997 at 07:55:12:
In Reply to: [6]R-142 Mock-Up posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at
16:21:32:
Unfamiliar of its specs, would the R-142 be used for IRT service?
I don't know much about its length and width.
Also, are the R-33/R-36s rolling on the 7 line going to be replaced
anytime in the future (2-3 years)?
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 07, 1997 at 07:56:17:
In Reply to: [6]R-142 Mock-Up posted by Steve on March 28, 1997 at
16:21:32:
Unfamiliar of its specs, would the R-142 be used for IRT service? I
don't know much about its length and width.
Could someone post a picture of the R-142 for viewing by people living
OUTSIDE the tri-state metropolitan area (NY/NJ/CT)?
Also, are the R-33/R-36s rolling on the 7 line going to be replaced
anytime in the future (2-3 years)?
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 07, 1997 at 08:00:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by Steve on March 31,
1997 at 21:59:33:
So, they're going to have five lines running along a section of Queens
Boulevard up to 71-Continental?
I thought they were going to create a new line called the V instead of
extending the Q...?
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POSTER>Julio Perez
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 04, 1997 at 09:49:29:
Is there a place on the web or a store that carries
old Westinghouse fans from retired R-1s or horns from
R33/R36s?
Also, how hard is it to convert an R33/R36 horn for
use in a 12VDC circuit?
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Posted by Steve on April 07, 1997 at 09:17:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-142 Mock-Up posted by Julio Perez on April 07,
1997 at 07:56:17:
The R-142s, the IRT'New Tech Car', will have the traditional IRT
envelope of 51' long, 8' 8" wide and 11' 11" high from the railhead.
The cars will be first based at the recently rebuilt E180th St. shop.
The first cars to go will likely be the R-28s & R-29s.
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Posted by Jim on April 07, 1997 at 09:24:35:
In Reply to: [6]Light rail connection to JFK posted by Ted Nielsen on
April 06, 1997 at 21:01:23:
You might find the NYC Dept. of Planning or the State Dept. of
Transportation BUT I doubt that anyone has a firm plan yet. Sounds
like election year rhetoric.
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on April 07, 1997 at 09:54:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by Julio Perez on
April 07, 1997 at 08:00:12:
Boy, can't they come up with something more imaginative and ambitious
than to connect every possible tunnel from the Queens mainline to
every terminal of the Broadway and 6th Ave lines! Talk about
obsessions!
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 07, 1997 at 11:07:01:
In Reply to: [5]SIRR to NYC posted by Blaise Dupuy on April 04, 1997
at 13:00:20:
The SIRR was originally a property of the B&O railroad, who hoped to
use it as their entrance to NYC, but none of the schemes panned out. I
believe I recall that a connection across or under The Narrows to
Brooklyn was the missing link.
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Posted by dick on April 07, 1997 at 11:09:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: homeless people posted by Philip Nasadowski on
April 06, 1997 at 16:12:52:
i'm from wisconsin, i had achance to visit new york a few years back.
the city really impressed me. I was surprised to see so many homeless
people. in fact i went to the library and picked up several books on
the subway people who lived below the subway. have any of you on the
net ever been down below the subway to see the mole people. what was
your impression? too bad the subways were not cleaned up or the city
could make millions more on tourism.
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Posted by Mark Feinman on April 07, 1997 at 12:10:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: homeless people posted by dick on April 07, 1997
at 11:09:09:
The "mole people" and the book of the same name were recently
discussed in the nyc.transit newsgroup. Basically, the consensus of
opinion was that the book highly exaggerated reailty in an attempt to
sell more books.
I haven't read the book myself so I can't comment on it more
specifically.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 07, 1997 at 12:34:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway car number plates posted by Steve on April
06, 1997 at 17:52:17:
The decals does indeed indicate the yard assignment for equipment on
the A-division. The decal for equipment modifications in progress is
usually under the yard assignment decal (if the car(s) have one), and
it usually circular or diamond shaped.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on March 04, 1997 at 10:56:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs posted by Philip Nasadowski on March
03, 1997 at 06:25:38:
Two interesting little sidelights (no pun intended)
First, it was unlikely that the main lights in the cars would be
stolen since they were always on and hot. Thus these would be
difficult to steal. Additionally, the bulbs in the R-1 and later cars
are 30 volt self shorting units in strings of 20 which go out with a
bright flash on 120 volts.
The emergency lights ran on 32 volts but were usually off, and easier
to steal. It was these which got the left hand threads. (They were
also low [32] voltage but not self-shorting.)
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 07, 1997 at 12:39:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: homeless people posted by Philip Nasadowski on
April 06, 1997 at 16:12:52:
It seems that the homeless people tend to sleep on the trains that are
assigned to routes that run most (or all) of their route underground.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 07, 1997 at 12:44:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R21/22 Paint scheme posted by John on April 06,
1997 at 20:21:48:
The R-21's did indeed have many color schemes, but they never did
receive the current red scheme that is currently used. When they were
retired some of them were white while others were in the MTA Blue &
Silver colors.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 07, 1997 at 12:49:24:
In Reply to: [6]R21/22 Paint scheme posted by Pat Villani on April 05,
1997 at 22:40:30:
The R21/22's never did receive the current red color scheme. When they
were retired some were white and others were MTA Blue & Silver.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 07, 1997 at 13:01:51:
In Reply to: [6]JFK Express posted by Mark Greenwald on March 25, 1997
at 20:08:07:
I think another downfall of the JFK Express was that it had to run
through Brooklyn between JFK and Manhattan. It ran well during
off-peak hours, but during peak hours some trains would would get held
up by A trains running on the express tracks along the Fulton Stree
line.
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 07, 1997 at 13:08:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: homeless people posted by Mark Feinman on April
07, 1997 at 12:10:30:
Joe Brennan wrote an essay more or less debunking the Mole People book
as fantasy based on rumor. See [7]Fantasy in "The Mole People".
--dave
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 07, 1997 at 14:30:04:
In Reply to: [6]MEMORY'S posted by D ROWE on March 17, 1997 at
17:41:46:
I am also a native New Yorker (Bronx) with very fond memories of our
NYCTA. I recently moved to Maryland (10/96) and I'm terribly homesick
for the TA subways and buses. I am only 31, but I can remember the
last of the old-look GM buses, as well as the 3rd Avenue el's last
days. I had a special attachment to the GM fishbowls that served us
well into the 80's (some into the 90's). My favorite were the 8000
series and 4800-4900's. It was great before budget cuts when all trunk
lines in Manhattan provided 24 hr express service. I travel to NYC at
least once a month and I continue to "stay in touch" with our beloved
NYCTA. I also still carry a MetroCard with fares on it.
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POSTER>Charles Fiori
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Posted by Charles Fiori on April 07, 1997 at 14:53:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC buses pictures posted by Bob Redden on March
28, 1997 at 23:35:57:
What is exact address? I am new to the web and would like to access
your
files. 312-580-4022 if you'd rather call.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 07, 1997 at 16:04:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: homeless people posted by Philip Nasadowski on
April 06, 1997 at 16:12:52:
Even after 30 years away, I can explain the homeless' aversion to the
'NUMBERS' (ex IRT). The longitudinal seating is almost impossible to
sleep on without being obvious, whereas every transverse seat has a
spot you can wedge yourself into and appear to only have your eyes
shut for the moment!
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Posted by John on April 07, 1997 at 16:41:23:
In Reply to: [5]SIRR to NYC posted by Blaise Dupuy on April 04, 1997
at 13:00:20:
The tracks from Staten Island to New Jersey were never used by
passenger trains. They are tracks used (seldomly, if not at all) by
freight trains. In addition, even though the tracks link the Northeast
Corridor, the tracks cannot be used by the SIRR because the tracks
over the Kill Van Kull are not electrified and the NEC tracks are
electrified with overhead catenary, not the third rail that the SIRR
uses. Likewise, the SIRR tracks cannot be used by NJ Transit trains.
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Posted by meem on April 07, 1997 at 16:49:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Posts about Graffiti Removed posted by David
Pirmann - Web Site Host on March 25, 1997 at 20:18:49:
i certainly understand the concern about having graffiti-related
content on this website. i also understand that many people would like
to put the years of graffiti-covered trains behind them. however,
independent of right or wrong, graffiti was an integral part of the
NYC subway system for many years, and thus *should* be documented on
this website. like it or not, for many, the NYC subway system is
*still* synonymous with graffiti.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 04, 1997 at 16:35:34:
In Reply to: [5]Re: light bulbs posted by Steve on March 03, 1997 at
21:36:18:
Actually, there are two answers from the days of real light bulbs
(i.e. pre-1960). Emergency back up bulbs really did have reverse screw
threads, and ran on low voltage during power failures. Regular
lighting bulbs were presumed to run too hot to be unscrewed, and had
standard edison threads. Of course, if one were resourcefull enough,
he could wait for the power outages (frequent enough then) and steal
the regulars after they cooled down!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 07, 1997 at 17:00:44:
In Reply to: [6]New York Subway Equipment posted by John Ohanian on
March 14, 1997 at 19:30:49:
I totally agree with you concerning the original appearance of the
older equipment. Right down to those horrible metal window frames in
the doors. I also don't understand why the R-40, R-40M & R-42 had
their doors replaced with the new out of place doors. The R-42 used to
be one of my favorite cars, but now it's hard for me to look at them.
I'm glad the older equipment was rebuilt, but I wish they could have
kept their original appearances. Of all of the rebuilds on the
B-Division I think the R-38, R-44/46's faired the best. For years I
used to be happy to see the few R-32's, R-40 and R-42's that escaped
the first tan/orange paint treatment. I sure some of you will remember
R-40 #4416, R-42 #4764/65 (D line) and R-32's #s 3946 and another that
I can't remember. Even though they were covered by graffiti inside it
was always refreshing to see their original Blue and White interiors.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 07, 1997 at 19:16:04:
As much as I like them without the paint,why was the original blue
stripe taking off?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 07, 1997 at 19:23:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-142 Mock-Up posted by Julio Perez on April 07,
1997 at 07:56:17:
I agree,Im very interested to see the R-142 mock up but I live in
Illinois,so could you post a picture? Maybe one of a R-110A on the
subway cars page also?
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 07, 1997 at 20:50:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Gary Jacobi on April 07,
1997 at 11:07:01:
SIRR to Brooklyn under the narrows? Yup, that was what they said was
supposed to happen according to the book "Uptown-Downtown", assumably
it would've connected with the "R" at Fort Hamilton--the closest
point, I believe.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 07, 1997 at 21:45:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: homeless people posted by Wayne Johnson on April
07, 1997 at 12:39:55:
If the homeless prefer routes that are mainly underground, that might
help explain why there are fewer of them on IRT lines (in addition to
the difficulty of sleeping on IRT-style longitudinal seating). All of
the IRT lines seems to have substantial elevated stretches.
Come to think of it, I've heard that the E tends to have the largest
homeless population of any line - and with the exception of the R (and
the 42nd Street shuttle, which hardly counts), the E is the only line
that's underground for its entire length.
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Which subway station has the electronic music that plays when you
touch it?
Is it at 34th and 6th? I saw a story on it on CBS Sunday morning show
several months ago but missed a part of it and don't know where that
subway is. Does someone know? Thanks.
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on April 08, 1997 at 03:30:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Some Posts about Graffiti Removed posted by meem
on April 07, 1997 at 16:49:58:
"meem" wrote that we should document grafitti because it was prevalent
a few years on the subway...
Document grafitti?
Should we document vandalized light fixtures/bathrooms/etc on the
subway too? Maybe we should document muggings and worse crimes also,
with detailed WWW pages, pictures, etc.
Maybe a Transit Crimes Museum!?
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POSTER>Tim Hall
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Posted by Tim Hall on April 08, 1997 at 08:20:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Express Subways posted by Iain Logan on March 03,
1997 at 09:13:05:
London actually *needs* a few express lines in the
central area, and will get one if Crossrail is
ever built.
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In Reply to: [6]Which Subway? posted by S. L. Moss on April 07, 1997
at 22:18:14:
it was the 34th Street station on the N,R (technically broadway not
6th Ave). Not sure if the installation is still there, though.
--Dave
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 08, 1997 at 09:23:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: homeless people posted by Peter Rosa on April 07,
1997 at 21:45:29:
The "C" is underground also. The R and G come pretty close to being
entirely underground as well.
-dave
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 04, 1997 at 16:47:49:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Laurence
Simpson on March 03, 1997 at 20:39:07:
You are correct about the Union Hall station. It hav
d served the rr brotherhood union hall, which closed soon after the
gradfe separation structure was built. It is rumored that management
never again did anything nice for labor in the years since as a
result!
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 08, 1997 at 09:24:33:
In Reply to: [6]Grand Central Restoration posted by Bryan Layne on
April 04, 1997 at 19:11:29:
Not a web site, but I just saw a book about this at New York Bound
Bookstore in Rockefeller Center. I don't remember the exact title but
it was about the architecture of GCT, some of it concentrated on the
recent renovations and some was historical pictures. It's about a
12"x12" color glossy book, so if you give them a call I'm sure they'll
know what you're talking about.
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For all that are interested, these are the colors assighned to the
various IRT yards.
East 180th St. ..... Green
239th St. ............. Black
Jerome ................ Orange
Livonia ................ Blue
Corona ................ Maroon
240th St. ............. Red
Pelham ................ Yellow
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 08, 1997 at 10:15:44:
In Reply to: [6]Why no paint on R42 and R46? posted by Bryan Layne on
April 07, 1997 at 19:16:04:
Bryan,
I don't know the reason for the TA removing the blue paint. My guess
is one of two things: either the TA just decided to change to no paint
exterior or it may be a cost cutting measure or both. Actually, all of
the rebuilt stainless steel cars had paint on them at some point. I
did like the blue paint on the exteriors, but I also like the
unpainted stainless steel appearance.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on April 08, 1997 at 12:02:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Mark Greenwald on April 07,
1997 at 20:50:07:
Check the south end of platform at 59th Street-4th Avenue. There is a
'ramp' which goes off to one side and ends, which would have been the
connection to SIRR. There was some thought about compatibility of
rolling
stock, witness the second hand SIRR cars running on the BMT, which
matched
up nicely with the Standards.
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Posted by CMG on April 08, 1997 at 12:08:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: weird subway incidents posted by Gary Jacobi on
April 02, 1997 at 19:31:58:
BY WEIRD, I WOULD SAY SOMETHING VERY BIZARRE, LIKE SEEING A GUY GET
BEAT BY TWO OTHER STRANGE GUYS OR SEEING A WOMEN GET SLAPPED BY HER
BOYFRIEND. I HAD THE AWFUL PLEASURE OF WITNESSING BOTH. AS WELL AS
FAINTING ON THE TRAIN DUE TO HEAT AND SUFFOCATION. NOW THAT'S WEIRD
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Posted by dick on April 08, 1997 at 12:46:34:
In Reply to: [5]Re: homeless people posted by David Pirmann on April
07, 1997 at 13:08:56:
THANKS FOR THE LODOWN ON THE MOLE PEOPLE. IT WAS VEREY INTERESTING. I
WAS ONLY TO NEW YORK TWO TIMES AND LOVED EVERY MINUTE! I HOPE TO GO
BACK. BY THE WAY, I PUT SUB TALK ON MY FAVORITES LIST. ITS GREAT.
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POSTER>Dan Weissmann
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Posted by Dan Weissmann on April 08, 1997 at 14:15:06:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Mark Greenwald on April 07,
1997 at 20:50:07:
I read somewhere that the tunnel runs out about 100 feet under the
narrows and was thwarted only by a mayor who had a grudge against the
BMT. I think he was an ex-motorman who felt he'd been unjustly fired
and never forgave the BMT. Not sure of how true this is, though.
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Posted by Steve on April 08, 1997 at 18:58:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no paint on R42 and R46? posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 08, 1997 at 10:15:44:
All that you say may be true but why then was the stripe color on the
R-44s changed from blue to grey ??? Hint: It had nothing to do with
the Civil War.
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Posted by Zack on April 08, 1997 at 19:27:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no paint - Quiz ??? posted by Steve on April
08, 1997 at 18:58:21:
greay was cheaper then blue
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Posted by Zack on April 08, 1997 at 19:31:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no paint - Quiz ??? posted by Steve on April
08, 1997 at 18:58:21:
greay was cheaper then blue
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 04, 1997 at 17:25:42:
Having just learned of the existance of this intended system, and of
the partially built stations, I am fascinated and wish to learn more.
Surely there were sketch plans drawn, but can no one now find them?
Why is there just speculation as to where it would have gone?
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Posted by Steve on April 08, 1997 at 22:41:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by John on April 06, 1997 at 20:41:58:
There were 754 R-46 cars in the original purchase. Today there are
still 752 in service. Cars #1054 and 941 were heavily damaged in a
mishap in 1986. Both cars were scrapped in 1991. No R-46 car was ever
sold to any other transit property.
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Posted by Steve on April 08, 1997 at 23:00:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on March 14, 1997
at 18:56:38:
There were 10 R-11s built by the Budd Co. i n 1949 (Car #s 8010 -
8019).
The average cost per car was $121,373. Although advanced for their
time, they were not electrically compatible with other TA equipment.
In the 1960s, they were rewired specifically to be compatible withthe
'new' R-32s. They were re-designated as R-34s. They finished up their
service on the Franklin Avenue Shuttle. Personally one of my two
favorites (the other is the D type) One unit survives in the transit
museum.
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Posted by James Auyeung on April 08, 1997 at 23:57:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by Erich Rastetter on
March 30, 1997 at 23:44:52:
The the new tunnel has finally broke through to the main line. For
those interested in catching a glimpse of the new tunnel take the
Manhattan bound E or F train and look across to the local track when
the train passes 36th street. You will soon see where the new turnoff
will be ( about 1000 feet after the station). By the way it looks I
guess the new tracks will connect to the local track which might cause
some problems if the Q or V will go express.
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Posted by ZACK on April 09, 1997 at 02:12:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no paint - Quiz ??? posted by Zack on April
08, 1997 at 19:27:40:
greay was a primer coat and easer to repaint in case of graffite
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Posted by Jeff Crouchley on April 09, 1997 at 10:35:14:
I'm a graduate student at New York University researching the New York
Transit Museum in Brooklyn. I would be interested in feedback from
anyone regarding the Transit Museum, eg. have you visited and what
suggestions might you have for improving the museum and the public
awareness of the museum. Also, have you visited other transit-related
museums like London's.
Thanks for your help!
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Posted by Charles Fiori on April 09, 1997 at 11:24:50:
In Reply to: [5]LOADS OF BUS PICS ALWAYS CHANGING posted by Bob Redden
on March 28, 1997 at 23:43:23:
Would love to access your files. Can't make the address work.
"alt.binaries" etc. Please advise. Call at 312-580-4022 after 3pm
Central.
Thanks. Know anybody with old rollsigns, fareboxes for sale or trade??
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 09, 1997 at 13:47:51:
In Reply to: [6]New York Transit Museum posted by Jeff Crouchley on
April 09, 1997 at 10:35:14:
The Museum could offer an on-line store where transit aficionados
could
purchase souvenirs via the Internet...?
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Posted by David Steckler on April 09, 1997 at 15:49:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New York Transit Museum posted by Julio Perez on
April 09, 1997 at 13:47:51:
Great idea! But what are the odds of it happening? Probably slim to
none.
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Posted by Malcolm on April 09, 1997 at 15:58:15:
I'm from Toronto and regularly visit NYC. I'm interested in obtaining
subway signage, especially signs with the circular coloured route
symbols on them. Also, I would like to obtain a circular sign with the
"M" on it before they are all covered up by the "pac-man" stickers.
I'm willing to pay for these items, or trade for Toronto Transit
Commission stuff (I have a basement full of crap, just name it, and I
probably have it). If you can help, it would be much obliged.
Malcolm
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Posted by Michael Azzollini on April 09, 1997 at 16:31:25:
I've pieced together information on the above lines from NYC Subway
Resource's, as well as other internet sites, - however I still have
some unanswered questions which someone might be able to answer.
1. Is the LIRR Bay Ridge (Freight) line still active, and if not, when
was it abandoned. If it is still active, how mang trains pass through
in a given time, or when was the last time it was used? I've traced
the line from Bay Ridge to where it meets the Canarsie line and it
seems that one single track is still intact the entire distance but
usable only with some clean-up of debris. The rails are rusty most of
the way except for a small portion at the far west end near the Bay
Ridge terminus.
2. From about New Utrecht Ave to the Bay Ridge terminus, the two lines
run together in what appears to be the same open cut. Were they built
at the same time? Are these a single ROW on two ROW's coincidently
running side by side?
3. I've noticed that in the same section mentioned above from New
Utrecht Ave. to the Bay Ridge terminus, (but in other areas as well).
The ROW seems to be in a "natural" cut through the Bay Ridge Area -
rather than in a man-made open cut. Does anyone know if this the case,
or was this done by the RR's to ease the grade climbs?
4. If anyone has a more comprehensive history of the LIRR Bay Ridge
line I'd think it would make a nice addition to the NYC Subway
Resources.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 04, 1997 at 17:25:49:
Having just learned of the existance of this intended system, and of
the partially built stations, I am fascinated and wish to learn more.
Surely there were sketch plans drawn, but can no one now find them?
Why is there just speculation as to where it would have gone?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 09, 1997 at 16:46:17:
In Reply to: [6]SIGNAGE posted by Malcolm on April 09, 1997 at
15:58:15:
Me too,me too!!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 09, 1997 at 17:54:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no paint - Quiz ??? posted by Steve on April
08, 1997 at 18:58:21:
I don't know, but my guess is that it's possible that the material(s)
used in the spot may not be stainless steel or some sort of alloy that
needs to be painted. If this is true then I figure the light shade of
gray would be the best choice to simulate a stainless steel (no paint)
exterior. Hope I'm at least close.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 09, 1997 at 20:49:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: homeless people posted by David Pirmann on April
08, 1997 at 09:23:05:
Yep, the R and C are entirely underground as well. Though I can't
remember from the one time I rode it, I have heard that there's one
place on the R - I believe where it crossed the LIRR Bay Ridge line -
where riders get at least a glimpse of sunlight (unless it's night !)
In addition, it looks like the 3 and the Lefferts Boulevard-bound A
are mostly underground.
In contrast, I suspect that the 7 and the J/Z are the lines with the
greatest percentages of their routes aboveground, excluding the
Franklin Avenue and Rockaway Park shuttles.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at 20:55:25:
I recently acquired a map showing the Staten Island transit line (I
live near DC) and was wondering, when they designed the line, why did
they purposely send it down the eastern side of the island? Wouldn't
logic have sent two lines down, one on the east and one on the west?
Was a western line in the planning stages but never built? I'm curious
about NYC's other subway.
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Posted by John on April 09, 1997 at 20:55:42:
This is a really good movie. If you are interested in the New York
Subway, you should definately watch it. The movie is about 4 people
who hijack a New York Subway train (a number 6 train - "Pelham
One-Two-Three"), and take the passengers in the first car hostage.
They demand one-million dollars from the city for the release of the
car and the hostages. Great thrill ride at the end when the car
becomes a runaway and is sent to the South Ferry loop from near the
23rd St. Station.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at 21:04:34:
In Reply to: [6]New York Transit Museum posted by Jeff Crouchley on
April 09, 1997 at 10:35:14:
Jeff,
I'm not from the NY Metro area so I'm not familiar with that transit
museum, although I'd like to visit it someday. You had mentioned other
cities and the mesuems they have to celebrate their history. I grew up
in the Baltimore/ Washington area. Baltimore doesn't have a museum
whatsoever so you have to fight tooth & nail to get items---They do
have a B & O RR museum though. As for Washington, they don't have a
separate museum per se, the Metro has devoted a section of their
headquarters to act as a museum/ library. At one point, you could go
downstairs and watch the computers track the trains on the different
lines. Upstairs in the library, they had scale models of statons and
track yards along with some freebies to help promote the system. I
figure, for as new a system as Washington is (20 years), it's a start.
If your cuirious, the headquartes is located at 5th & F Sts. NW right
next to the Judiciary Square station on the Red Line.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 09, 1997 at 21:22:39:
In Reply to: [6]S.I.R.T. posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at
20:55:25:
There weren't any lines built down the west side of Staten Island
because that area was relatively sparsely populated until the
Verrazano Narrows bridge opened in the 1960s. Even today, it's less
populated that the east side of the island.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 10, 1997 at 09:39:54:
In Reply to: [6]The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by John on
April 09, 1997 at 20:55:42:
No doubt this is a great movie----One thing I found interesting was
that the number "one-two-three" referred to the time departed Pelham.
Two other movies that have a lot of subway footage are "The Money
Train" with Wesley Snipes--not bad--lotsa action, "The Warriors", I
love this movie that centers around a street gang trying to get to
their home "turf" (coney Is.) from a convention of gangs in the
Bronx---their only means of transport---you guessed it--the subway.
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 11:05:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by Mark
Greenwald on April 10, 1997 at 09:39:54:
Couplea things... Pelham One Two Three is still in print in case you
want to go out and buy a copy. Some other movies with subway scenes:
"Die Hard with a Vengence"... I caught the end of some Al Pacino movie
on TV a few weeks ago, it might have been Serpico, that had a scene on
the subway using IND R27/R30 cars that they used to get to Grand
Central Terminal (oops :-). Ghostbusters II has some sets based on
City Hall Station (the river of slime).
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Posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto on April 10, 1997 at 12:24:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 11:05:29:
Forget all these recent train movies...
A movie with "real" trains is "The Incident" -- a grade B movie that
takes place on IRT LO-V cars riding the 3rd Avenue EL!
How's that?
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Posted by Ronald Kluger on March 04, 1997 at 17:45:18:
In Reply to: [6]Express Subways posted by John Mullervy on March 02,
1997 at 22:20:30:
The real question is why does New York have express lines. The
complications seem hardly worth the tremendous complications and
resource implications. It probably goes back to railroading rather
than transit considerations. I guess I offer as proof the fact that if
the idea was so good, others would have used it. In Toronto, we are
dealing with transit cut-backs on surface routes while subway
extensions are being dug with great controversy at the same time. No
one seems to think it would be better to invest in express lines.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 10, 1997 at 12:30:27:
In Reply to: [6]The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by John on
April 09, 1997 at 20:55:42:
John, Mark and anyone else:
Yes, all NYCTA revenue subway trains are identified by their point of
origin and the time it departed. Many times a train operator will
identify him/herself with the time/route and origin. (Ex. Command
center this is the 7:55 dog (D train) out of 205th Street) (Canal
Street (tower) this is the northbound 4:35 Nancy (N train)). I was
laways curious, but never did inquire about whether the TA has
scheduled a Pelham 123 since the movie was released.
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Posted by David M. Razler on April 10, 1997 at 12:45:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 11:05:29:
The book also contains much more detail on the system and shows the
author did his homework!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 10, 1997 at 12:48:33:
In Reply to: [6]S.I.R.T. posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at
20:55:25:
Peter,
I believe that line was originally a freight line (I could be wrong),
but I do know that not many people live on the western side of the
island. In fact the NYC landfill is over there, and if I were a S.I.
resident I would definitely stay on the eastern part. The Staten
Island Rapid Transit Operating Authority (Now call Staten Island
Railway) is an arm under the MTA, which is the state agency that
operates most mass transit in the NYC region. The MTA agencies are:
New York City Transit (formally New York City Transit Authority) which
operates the subway in Bronx, Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens as well
as most local service in the 5 boroughs and some express service also.
Long Island Rail Road - Commuter train service between Long Island and
NYC.
Metro North Rail Road - Commuter train service between Dutchess,
Putnam, Westchester counties, Connecticut and NYC.
Long Island Bus (Formally Metropolitan Suburban Bus Authority) Bus
servies on Long Island with service feeding subway terminals in
Queens.
Bridges & Tunnels (formally Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority)
Several toll bridges and tunnels throughout NYC.
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Posted by Steve on April 10, 1997 at 14:42:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 10, 1997 at 12:30:27:
The 'D' train is currently referred to as Delta and not dog.....
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Posted by steve on April 10, 1997 at 14:49:27:
In Reply to: [6]The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by John on
April 09, 1997 at 20:55:42:
Every year, many movies are filmed in the subway system. Most notably,
several months ago, scenes from "The Lost World" (the sequel to
Jurassic Park) was filmed at the Church Avenue Station using R-46
equipment.
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Posted by Dwayne J. Davis on April 10, 1997 at 17:27:31:
Why is the subway service in the N.E.Bronx so crappy? Why is there
only one IND line in the Bronx any way? I once read that the M.T.A.
once planned to extend the grand concourse line east across Burke ave.
to co-op city. The book made an inference that part of the tunnel had
already been built. Is that true, and if so why was it not completed{
besides the fact that the M.T.A. bought the Dyre line}. I live on
Burke ave. and there are what seem to be vent gates along the street
that look just like the ones along existing subway lines. What could
this mean?
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Posted by Andrew on April 10, 1997 at 17:58:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Peter Rosa on April 04, 1997
at 22:06:06:
I can confirm the condition of the line as being unusable. There are
actually points where the roadbed has been completely undermined, and
the tracks are suspended over air! However, the SIRT station at
Richmond Terrace still exists, though there isn't much to see unless
you break in.
Also, one can speculate if the name of 'Sailors Snug Harbor' was
engraved in the stone facing northward for the benefit of the
railroad, or for ships...
(Just in case you didn't know, the line along the north shore was one
of two branches that used to have passenger service, third rail and
all. The north shore line was deelectrified, the other (I forgot where
it went, but it branched off from the current main line) was
demolished.)
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 10, 1997 at 20:50:43:
In Reply to: [6]LIRR Bay Ridge +Sea Beach lines posted by Michael
Azzollini on April 09, 1997 at 16:31:25:
In his book _Flatbush Odyssey_, author Alan Abel recounts calling the
LIRR in the Spring of 1993 and being told that there was still some
limited freight service on the Bay Ridge line.
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Posted by GUMPSTER on April 10, 1997 at 21:18:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: homeless people posted by dick on April 08, 1997
at 12:46:34:
I THINK ITS GREAT THAT WE AS AMERICANS ARE EMPTYING OUT THE WELFARE
ROLLS AND MENTAL HOSPITALS.HOWEVER UNLESSWE ARE PREPARED FOR THE THIRD
WORLD LOOK THAT UNDISCIPLINED BUDGET CUTTING WILL CERTAINLY BRING THEN
LETS ALL GET USED TO A FAST GROWING POPULATION OF HOMELESS PEOPLE.
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Posted by Michael Adler on April 10, 1997 at 21:25:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 11:05:29:
Hi all,
I wonder because the last time I watched The Taking of Pelham
One-Two-Three
was 10 years ago which I didn't have closed captioning decoder and I
know that movie didn't have "CC". I like to know if they still sell it
and do they have Closed Captioning? I watched, but can not understand
anything they say, I need CC ready tape that way I can understand
everything.
Most boxes show "CC" or dialog logo with CC inside, let me know if you
see them.
Thanks,
Michael Adler
Lakewood, ColorFUL Colorado
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 04, 1997 at 18:24:09:
Sorry about the double posting on the Second IND system; I am an
incompetent typist! I would like to take this opportunity to answer a
question posed some time ago on the usenet, concerning the system of
lights guiding one from GC-Lex to the Shuttle Platforms. THey were
there long before the 1964 World Fair. They might indeed have been
switched to blue at that time; NYC did all sorts of cornball stuff to
try to save that fair, but only turning peoples mindsets back to 1939
could have succeeded. Anyway, the lights were there in the 50's, and
looked pretty old and cruddy even then. I always presumed that they
went in in 1918, or shortly thereafter, as a peace offering to the
businesses at Time Square who were extremely paranoid at the time that
ignorant New Yorkers wouldn't be able to find them after realignment
of the original IRT line.
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Posted by GUMPSTER on April 10, 1997 at 21:37:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by
Ben-Zion Cassouto on April 10, 1997 at 12:24:10:
DEAR SIR, ARE YOU IN ANY WAY ,SHAPE,OR FORM,SUGGESTING THAT SUBWAYS DO
NOT USE 'REAL' TRAINS???
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 22:23:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by
Michael Adler on April 10, 1997 at 21:25:46:
Mike,
My tape of Pelham 1-2-3 is closed-captioned (well it says so on the
tape, my TV is too old to show them though). It's MGM/UA ISBN
0-7928-3060-1, and the code on the side of the box is M205814.
Released 1996 this edition.
--Dave
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Posted by Micdhael Azzollini on April 10, 1997 at 22:58:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Underground lines (was: homeless people) posted by
Peter Rosa on April 09, 1997 at 20:49:43:
Yes Peter, you're correct. The only point where some daylight can be
seen from the R line is when it crosses over the Bay Ridge LIRR line
just before entering the 59th Street Station.
MIKE
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Posted by Michael Azzollini on April 10, 1997 at 23:10:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by Wayne Johnson on April 10, 1997
at 12:48:33:
Does anyone know why the MTA changed the name from the New York City
Transit Authority(NYCTA) to the New York City Transit(NYCT)?
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Posted by Jim on April 11, 1997 at 00:26:04:
In Reply to: [6]weird subway incidents posted by miriam ely on March
28, 1997 at 20:17:32:
One of the weirdest things ever, occurred on the J line during a PM
rush hour about 4 years ago. A homeless man and a homeless woman, both
living in the abandoned tunnels around essex street, seccumbed to
passion one afternoon. They dragged a mattress between the running
rails of what the thought was a dis-used line. In the midst of the
throws of passion, neither noticed the approaching J train. By the
time the train operator saw the pair, it was too late. Fortunately,
the 'gentleman' in question lost part of one foot while the lady in
this tale, who was apparently on top of the situation, suffered a head
injury. Skeptics, take notice, this actually happened....
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Posted by steve on April 11, 1997 at 00:43:19:
In Reply to: [6]IND extentions in N.E. BRONX posted by Dwayne J. Davis
on April 10, 1997 at 17:27:31:
What book are you referring to? I have been to the bumper block at the
north end of the 205th St. station dozens of times. I have not seen
any indication that there was any intent to extend the line beyond the
current end. (unlike tracks A1 & A2 at the end of the 174th St. Yard
of the 'A' line)
On the other hand, 205th St. station does not have the traditional
track arrangement for a terminal. The track arrangement could suggest
that there was some thought given to future expansion.
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Posted by Philip Is the graffitti back or is it the pot? Nasadowski
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by
Michael Adler on April 10, 1997 at 21:25:46:
Of COURSE the movie doesn't have "CC", it's the taking of PELHAM 123,
and we all know that the 6 is an IRT line and the CC was one of those
other ones... :-)
*duck*
(Sorry, it's 4 am and I'm in a punny mood :-)
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Posted by Steve on April 11, 1997 at 08:14:50:
In Reply to: [6]S.I.R.T. posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at
20:55:25:
The lower deck of the Verrazanno Narrows Bridge was added to the
original bridge plans. From the beginning, it was to include two
tracks to link the Staten Island Railway with the subway at 95th
Street/4th Ave. However, Robert Moses, one of the most powerful people
in NYC history and a man who hated public transit, stopped the
project.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 11, 1997 at 09:43:42:
In Reply to: [6]IND extentions in N.E. BRONX posted by Dwayne J. Davis
on April 10, 1997 at 17:27:31:
Dwayne,
I grew up in the Bronx and finally moved away last October. I think it
would be great if we had an IND extention eastbound or any extention
for that matter. The NE Bronx is indeed the largest area of the
borough with little of no subway service. I do feel that NE Bronx
residents are better off than say residents in NE and SE Queens.
Queens is NYC's largest borough and it has large areas with no subway
service. I think this is why most NYCTA bus routes in Queens feed a
subway terminal. Also Queens has many premium fare express bus routes
to serve these areas also.
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Posted by Dwayne J. Davis on April 11, 1997 at 11:08:15:
In Reply to: [6]IND extentions in N.E. BRONX posted by Dwayne J. Davis
on April 10, 1997 at 17:27:31:
I am not sure what the exact name is but it is something from the
Bronx County Historical Society. The book focused on transportation in
the bourough.
When the concourse line terminates it is not a dead end track like
most terminal stations. The tunnel extends{ how far I don't know} as
if 205th wasn't supposed to be the last stop. The area that I thought
might have been a unused subway tunnel is not near 205th. Two that I
can think of right now are on Burke and Cruger avenues in front of the
NY TEL building.
The other site is on Burke bet. Yates and Bouck aves. Could somebody
check it out and get back to me.
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Posted by carl margolies on March 04, 1997 at 20:12:59:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Gary Jacobi
on March 04, 1997 at 16:47:49:
There's the old Woodhaven station on the B'klyn line. I believe it's
the only abandoned subway stop on the LIRR. It wasn't that old, built
in 1941 as part of the Atlantic Av. grade separation project.
On the Main line there is the old Bellaire stop(where you could see
some rotting pieces of the platform. Can someone verify as to whether
there was a station on the LIRR called Westbridge? It was located on
the line to Penn. Sta. at Jamaica Ave. It would have been abandoned
before WW11.
Carl
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 11, 1997 at 11:38:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 11:05:29:
There was also a made-for-TV movie in the early '70s on ABC featuring
James Brolin among others about an earthquake in New York City. In
that movie, they used R-1s or R-9s.
However, I do not remember the name of the movie. Does anyone here
remember by any chance? Is it on video?
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on April 11, 1997 at 14:00:33:
In Reply to: [6]New York Transit Museum posted by Jeff Crouchley on
April 09, 1997 at 10:35:14:
Thanks, Jeff, you've hit a topic near and dear to my heart. It's been
a few years since I've visited the NYCTA Museum, but I love it and
will return eagerly. Typically, I don't like static displays. Since
I'm big on operating streetcar museums, I think of static displays as
"preserved in amber." But the TA's museum's cars aren't like that.
They're sitting on hot third rail, with fans, lights, and compressors
powered. But for a motorman and a green signal, they could be off in
an instant. I like that feeling very much. If your goal is successful
interpretation (what was it like to sit in these trains), that's
excellent. What I remember about visiting there is that it's harder to
find than seems necessary; better signage would help. Typically,
people who visit attractions like Williamsburg and Sea World remember
the most connecting with someone there. In that regard, I remember
that the transit museum is thinly populated. Perhaps one could bolster
the staff with volunteers, particularly experienced retirees with good
subway stories.
I've also been to the London museum, and note that it is, I think,
much larger. Their educational displays are more intricate, well
thought out, and well done, but likely also more expensive. Their
equipment is, I'm sorry to report, mostly preserved in amber. Not so
many people there, either.
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on April 11, 1997 at 14:11:04:
I'm regarded as a real subway junkie. Recently, however, a friend
stumped me. He asked, "Is there any pattern to WMATA (DC's Metro)
station platform choices?" (When do they build center platforms, when
side?)
He had me stumped, but under the principle of "never let them see you
sweat," I winged it. I proposed a couple rules to explain things:
- Design bias is toward center platforms, because they mean fewer
elevators and escalators, high cost items.
- Near line splits (e. g., Rosslyn, where the Orange and Blue lines
diverge) Metro typically grade separates the underground lines to
avoid having a crossover in addition to the two switches. This means
two platforms, vertically as well as horizontally separated.
My friend added that at transfer stations, e. g., Metro Center, the
upper level platfrom must be side platforms, or the geometry doesn't
work for the equipment necessary.
My questions to you: (a) are any of these theories accurate? and
(b) Are additional rules of thumb involved?
Thanks.
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Posted by Philip D. on April 11, 1997 at 14:34:18:
In Reply to: [5]S.I.R.T. posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at
20:55:25:
A western line was built and used for Passenger AND freight service.
Passenger service on the western side ended sometime between
1945-65. The line is still used for freight. There was also
a third line. it was on the eastern side of the island
and was called the south shore line.
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Posted by Philip D. on April 11, 1997 at 14:43:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: LIRR Bay Ridge +Sea Beach lines posted by Peter
Rosa on April 10, 1997 at 20:50:43:
The Bay ridge line is still used. the line is a sort of branch line
from N.J. to the Bronx. It goes over the hell gate bridge and joins
the (what used to be)New Haven Main line. If you are interested
there is an old Jade Green New York Central Box Car near 41 st
and first ave. One person told me that 1 train passes through
a day to the yard in queens. I do not know if that is true but
the line is still active.
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on April 11, 1997 at 15:57:58:
In Reply to: [6]IND extentions in N.E. BRONX posted by Dwayne J. Davis
on April 10, 1997 at 17:27:31:
My understanding is that there were indeed plans at one time
to extend the IND Concourse line across Bronx Park to Burke Ave. and
then
eastward to the vicinity of today's Co-op City. But that was many
years before Co-op City
was even thought of. As you suggest, when the city bought the remains
of the NYW&B RR
(today's Dyre Ave. line) those plans were canceled; there just wasn't
enough money to do
both (adapt the NYW&B for subway service AND extend the Concourse
line). Since both
plans would have had their terminals in the same general area, there
seemed little reason
to do both.
One interesting consequence of this change of plans is that, for many
years, the operators
of trains running between Dyre Ave. and E. 180th St. were considered
officially to be IND
Division employees! This was true even after thru service was
instituted on today's #5
line; trains would change crews at 180th St. I think it is only in the
last decade or so that this
practice was discontinued.
As for those vents on Burke Ave., I suspect they are ventilation for
equipment in the
basement of the telephone building, but I could be wrong.
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Posted by David Steckler on April 11, 1997 at 16:51:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New York Transit Museum posted by Mark Greenwald
on April 09, 1997 at 21:04:34:
The Illinois Railway Museum has a terrific collection of trolly,
subway, el and interrurban equipment, running on a dedicated loop
under wire. All the equipment is either restored and running or in the
process of restoration - nothing in amber here! They have several
Philadelphia subway cars awaiting restoration but nothing from the NY
area. The museum's goal is to have representative pieces of
equipement, both light rail and heavy rail, that ran in and around
Chicago. They also have one of the best collections of running steam
and particularly diesel equipment in the country (the only complete
Burlington E-6 trainset in existence), running on their private ROW.
If you saw the movie "A League of Their Own," the streamliner that
Lori Petty, Gina Davis and Jon Lovitz rode from the ladies' home town
station to the big city was this trainset. The museum is about an hour
west of Chicago, off of I-90.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 11, 1997 at 19:29:53:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by Steve on April 11, 1997 at
08:14:50:
Now I know that the lower level of the V.N. Bridge is used for
vehicular traffic, but, do you think that the idea of connecting the
lines could be revived?
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 11, 1997 at 20:00:28:
In Reply to: [6]Center or Side Platforms? posted by Bill Mosteller on
April 11, 1997 at 14:11:04:
Bill,
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 11, 1997 at 20:15:47:
In Reply to: [6]Center or Side Platforms? posted by Bill Mosteller on
April 11, 1997 at 14:11:04:
Bill,
I have extensive inventory of information on the Metro's of both
Baltimore & Washington---I grew up there. As for the platforms, in all
the information that I have, nobody addressed that question directly.
They mentioned the simplicitiy of center platform stations in the form
of keeping the cost low.
Here is what was mentioned specifically:
1) Rosslyn & Pentagon are 2 original designs--If you were to look at a
vertical slice of a station, it would form 3/4 of a circle. Along the
outer walls are the tracks and along the inner section are the
platforms--one above the other connected by an escalator---You were
right though about their desire to eliminate unnecessary crossovers
along with the switches---If you look to the south from Rosslyn, you
can see where the tunnel splits--one towards Vienna (orange) and the
other towards Nat'l Airport (Blue). You can also see the same from the
upper platform at L'enfent Plaza--if you look to the south you'll see
one track go up & the other go down to create a grade separation for
the Green & Yellow Lines.
2) Another area specifically mentioned--the statons that were bored
through solid rock were forced to be center platforms in order to have
two completely separate tunnels--they said it was a safety factor.(Red
Line from Woodley Park to Medical Center) and (Red Line from Forest
Glen to Wheaton). For your own info., Forest Glen is soooo deep that
it isn't served by an escalator from street level--it has 6 high-speed
elevators because of the stations depth.
3) They also mentioned that the design of some of the stations were
forced one way or the other because of the underpinning required for
the buildings above--supposedly, that is why Judiciary Square (Red) is
that way. As for why other stations (Like Cheverly on the Orange) who
knows, it might be due to limited space to work with---Side platform
stations take up less space because you don't need such a wide area on
the approach to the station.
4) You are right though--Metro will always go with center platforms
because of the simplicity of design and it also keeps the crime
element from the arched walls.
5) I hope this has helped---it's amazing that all the info I have from
site plans to annual reports---there was no specific answer to that
question--Good job "winging it"
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on February 27, 1997 at 11:39:17:
Inspired by similar documents on Boston and New York, I realized that
Philadelphia has a few MIA pieces of subway:
Ben Franklin Station - PATCO
Ben Franklin Bridge Transfer Station - PATCO/MFSE
Station under Sears at Roosevelt Avenue (The store has been
demolished) waiting for a BSS extension
Arch Street Subway (somewhere between 8th and 12th)
But I need more details to write a real paper. Does anyone have them?
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Posted by Steve Kreisler on March 05, 1997 at 13:22:46:
In Reply to: [6]Old Subway Items For Sale? posted by Julio Perez on
March 04, 1997 at 09:49:29:
R-33/36 type horns are D-3 pneuphonic horns. They are driven by main
reservoir air from the cars air supply and sounded by an air valve,
usually actuated by
pulling a piece of rope or 'conductor's cord'. Electrically controlled
horns such as on the R-44/46 are controlled by 37.5 volts. I suppose
that you could
find a valve which could be adapted and is operated by 12 volts.
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I'd vote for rail links to LaGuardia and JFK Airports. What's your
opinion?
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 11, 1997 at 22:04:50:
In Reply to: [6]What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of Transit?
posted by Bob Andersen on April 11, 1997 at 21:36:42:
Airport links would be nice, but I'd have to vote for an additional
line on the East Side of Manhattan, either the Second Avenue line or
something else, to take some of the burden off of the Lexington lines.
Another item on my wish list would be a major upgrading of the
signalling system, that might allow for reduced rush-hour headways.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on April 11, 1997 at 23:56:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Center or Side Platforms? posted by Mark Greenwald
on April 11, 1997 at 20:15:47:
The reason that Baltimore's Metro (aka Subway) has ALL center
platforms is
a deliberate design. The operator's controls are on the left side of
the full width cabs. This puts him in the proper postition to
observe/operate the doors. The only time the operator has to leave the
seat to operate the doors is at the terminal stations when trains
cross over, and if the train has to cross to the other track because
of operational problems. (The infrequent "wrong railing" usually
causes a 2.5 to 3 minute dwell time per station, rather than the 1.5
to 2 minute dwell time.)
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Posted by steve on April 12, 1997 at 03:09:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by Mark Greenwald on April 11,
1997 at 19:29:53:
Of course the connection could be made but NY residents have lost
their taste for huge public works projects. A similar proposal was
made for a subway link over the George Washington Bridge to New
Jersey. The tunnel was actually built, virtually to the foot of the
bridge. Once again, the lower deck of the bridge was built with the
intent to use it for mass transit but once built, the plan was
shelved. The tunnel is supposed to still be in tact and this would be
a far more viable project.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 12, 1997 at 10:00:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Center or Side Platforms? posted by Dan Lawrence
on April 11, 1997 at 23:56:24:
Yes, it was a deliberate design for the Northwest Line. All the way
back to the initial planning, the current stations were to always be
center platforms, according to the "Baltimore Region Rapid Transit
Phase I Plan" In this book, they said center was cheaper because
duplication was not required when it came to platforms, escalators,
etc. When the system was first designed in the late 60's, early 70's,
it was going to incorporate both center and side platforms similar to
the DC Metro.
The initial "Phase I" was not only originally supposed to incorporate
the current line from Charles Center to Owings Mills, but also a South
Line from Charles Center to Marley Station with a branch to BWI. The
route south of current I-95 was to follow almost identically the route
of the Central Light Rail Line.
In the grand scheme of things, there was supposed to be 6 branches
radiating from a central station--Charles Center--with Charles Center
being designed similar to Metro Center in DC. The 6 outer terminus
stations would have been (Clockwise from the NW) Owings Mills,
Timonium (obviously the CLR Line took care of this), Joppa-Belair (the
leg from Charles Center to Hopkins was to be part of this line),
Marlyn Ave. (Essex) & Sparrows Point were to be both terminals for the
Southeast Line. It split like a "Y" from the current Shot Tower
station., Marley station, and on the West Line a station at Chalfonte
Drive (Catonsville) with further extensions planned out to Ellicott
City & Columbia.
If you would like more details like route alignment or station
locations or...whatever...I've got extensive information on not only
Baltimore but also DC. E-mail me anytime.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 12, 1997 at 10:02:59:
In Reply to: [6]What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of Transit?
posted by Bob Andersen on April 11, 1997 at 21:36:42:
How about the leg that was supposed to be accross the GW Bridge into
Jersey---talk about a relief on the bridge & the tunnels....Whew!!!
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Posted by Edward A. Ortiz on April 12, 1997 at 16:32:57:
I am a screenwriter who is looking for information on abandoned
stations within Manhattan as well as other info. The story I am
writing takes place primarily within the New York City Subway System.
I have always loved the subways, ever since a child...in fact my
father had to restrain me from walking into a subway tunnel as I was
quite hypnotized by their exotic anture and darkness.
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POSTER>Peter Rosa
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 12, 1997 at 19:56:40:
In Reply to: [6]Screenwriter needs info-abandoned stations posted by
Edward A. Ortiz on April 12, 1997 at 16:32:57:
Check out:
http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/rails/disused.underground.html
It has a complete list of all abandoned stations in Manhattan (and
elsewhere), the dates of opening and abandonment, and other
information.
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Posted by EMMANUEL VIVET on April 12, 1997 at 21:17:02:
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH.
I WORK IN THE PARIS SUBWAY ( RATP).
I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT N.Y AND EVENTUALITY THE SUBWAY
(because this my job!!).
I AM A PILOT IN LINE 9.PORTE DE SAINT CLOUD-MAIRIE DE MONTREUIL.
IF YOU KNOW AN OTHER AMERICAN PILOT ,WOULD LIKE ANSWER ME
GIVE MY E-MAIL.
THANKS A LOT.
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Posted by Steve on April 13, 1997 at 16:53:56:
I'll be in the Miami area and would like to contact a manager of the
Miami System.
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POSTER>David M. Razler
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Posted by David M. Razler on March 05, 1997 at 19:49:39:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by carl
margolies on March 04, 1997 at 20:12:59:
Expanding Eastward, the only station I know for sure that
was abandoned in Suffolk County is Flowerfield, on the Port Jefferson
branch, just west of the current Stony Brook station.
It served both passengers and freight when the area was the
Flowerfield
nursery and later Gyrodyne helicopter co. (a name
Thos. Pynchon apparently liked)
Current talk is of closing down the Stony Brook station and reopening
Flowerfield,
along with the other plans to close a handful of Suffolk County
stations with riderships of
under 10 passengers/day.
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Posted by MJS on April 13, 1997 at 18:46:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND extentions in N.E. BRONX posted by steve on
April 11, 1997 at 00:43:19:
I've seen diagrams from 1929 suggesting the extension to the present
Co-op City, which didn't exist then, but this was never an MTA plan,
as the MTA wasn't created for another 39 years. MTA diagrams from it's
inception in 1968 show that there was supposed to be an elevated
extention of the Pelham Line, AS A B-DIVISION SERVICE!!! This service
would break off the existing line at 177/Parkchester? and be replaced
by an Lex IRT line on the el, from there the subway line would travel
to a 2nd Avenue line in Manhattan.
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Posted by MJS on April 13, 1997 at 18:51:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by Steve
on April 10, 1997 at 14:42:10:
If D is Delta, what are all the other trains called?
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Posted by MJS on April 13, 1997 at 18:56:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 11:05:29:
The Al Pacino movie was Carlito's Way, and those were IRT Redbirds (or
at least they were supposed to be), as their markings said South Ferry
and Broadway Thru Exp. (oops :-D)
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Posted by MJS on April 13, 1997 at 19:09:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by Philip D. on April 11, 1997 at
14:34:18:
Service on the North Shore line AND the South Beach Line ended in
1953. Freight on the NS remained, but the SB was entirely abandoned.
The MTA-Staten Island Railway (new name as of 1993) is NOT a subway,
except for the portion at St. George Terminal which is underground.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 13, 1997 at 20:58:27:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by MJS
on April 13, 1997 at 18:56:05:
Hmm, I tried to count the doors. I would swear they had 4 per side. :)
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Posted by Steve on April 14, 1997 at 02:36:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND extentions in N.E. BRONX posted by MJS on
April 13, 1997 at 18:46:32:
I find it hard to believe that a B division extension of the #6 train
was planned since A division and B division equipment are not
compatible.
I'd be very interested in seeing those plans.
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Posted by Frank on April 14, 1997 at 07:58:39:
In Reply to: [6]R21/22 Paint scheme posted by Pat Villani on April 05,
1997 at 22:40:30:
The R21-22 cars were originally painted a dark olive green, "kale
green" which can be modeled by using "pullman green" paint. Scalecoat
II is very close. In the late sixties, early seventies they were the
MTA scheme of platinum mist (silver) and blue. Floquil makes a
platinum mist paint, and their "Conrail" blue is a good match for the
Images Replicas blue decals. In the eigthies, the cars received the
white scheme in an effort to reduce graffiti. The end safety gates,
anticlimbers and rub strip below the doors were black however. Only
one car, R-21 No. 7075 made it to the rehab GREEN scheme. NO cars were
ever painted in the rehab RED.
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Posted by Frank on April 14, 1997 at 08:11:02:
In Reply to: [6]R10 Paint Schemes posted by Julio Perez on March 27,
1997 at 07:41:46:
The R-10's were originally two tone gray with two red-orange stripes
above and below the windows. In the early sixties, several were
painted a bright "fox" red. In 1966-67, two variations on the
ivory/turquoise scheme were applied. The first had a white roof which
quickly turned brownish black in the grime of the subway tunnels (the
brown roofs you saw), and the second had a turquoise roof with the
cigar band stripe under the windows eliminated. Most cars made it into
the MTA scheme of platinum mist and blue in the early seventies, and
some were finally painted in the rehab green scheme just before their
retirement. Unfortunately the cars wore the "graffiti scheme" through
most of the late seventies and eighties. R-7A, No. 1575 (the R-10
prototype car, rebuilt from a R-7A) resides in the Brooklyn Transit
Museum in the delivery scheme of gray/orange.
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Posted by Ed Yung on April 14, 1997 at 08:53:43:
Recently after visiting there, I heard several rumors that the Transit
Museum was going private with the exception of the gift shop, which
will still be run by the MTA. It may be time for it to go private,
because honestly, those cars look like they're in pretty bad shape and
the station itself is suffering a leak over the R-16 display. Not all
cars look like they're in bad shape, being the Triplex, BU's, and the
LO-V'S (and most of those in the station) are in great shape, but the
R16 looked battered with a gunshot hole on it, the R-11/34 is missing
a window, and there's a little splattering of graffiti and glass
scratching on a few cars. The standards are being rebuilt, but only
after they had their underframe almost entirely eaten away by rust
after sitting outside at Coney Island for years. The standard that was
in the museum will receive the same treatment. Yes there's a Steinway
in the Museum fleet, but it is sitting in Coney Island in very very
bad shape. There's a lot more like a few R-12's, 22's, and stuff out
there in Coney Island, that's part of the Museum but they're not in
very good shape either. I saw these cars close up during the Coney
Island shop tour, and it was kinda appalling to see these cars rust
away. . . Hopefully if there is privatization or some corporation that
is into railroading and mass transit, maybe they can find some place
to store these cars away from Coney Island and possibly restore them.
Let's all hope the MTA doesn't botch privitization. (Oh, yes, did I
mention that the MTA always tried to close the thing down, but
couldn't? They are a little less than accomodating to the Transit
Museum folks anyway since it doesn't make money for them.)
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I'm from Toronto and regularly visit NYC. I'm interested in obtaining
subway signage, especially
signs with the circular coloured route symbols on them. Also, I would
like to obtain a circular sign
with the "M" on it before they are all covered up by the "pac-man"
stickers. I'm willing to pay for
these items, or trade for Toronto Transit Commission stuff (I have a
basement full of crap, just name
it, and I probably have it). If you can help, it would be much
obliged.
Malcolm
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Posted by Steve Kreisler on March 05, 1997 at 21:50:54:
I'm looking for Jpg's or Gifs of NYC Transit R-9 equipment (R-1
through R-9 for the purests). I'm particularly interested in photo's
of car #1313.
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Posted by Philip I wish this 64 meg DIMM would work dammit
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Peter Rosa on April 11, 1997 at 22:04:50:
I'd vote for extending the 7 line down to Penn, if there's one thing
the system is missing the most, it's going between GCT and Penn
without any transfers. After that, another East side line would be
nice, as would maybe a connection to Satan ^H ^H ^H ^H ^H Statan
Island...
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 14, 1997 at 12:37:50:
In Reply to: [6]salutations from PARIS. posted by EMMANUEL VIVET on
April 12, 1997 at 21:17:02:
I'm not a subway train operator but some train operators belong to the
Electric Rairoaders Association - a non-profit group that enjoys and
promotes electric traction and its history. You might try contacting
the ERA at ERA@JUNO.COM - I'm sure someone will contact you.
Good luck!
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 14, 1997 at 12:45:07:
In Reply to: [6]What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of Transit?
posted by Bob Andersen on April 11, 1997 at 21:36:42:
3 things in my opinion:
- relief of the Lexington Avenue Line: creation of another trunk line
down 2nd Avenue.
- connecting Staten Island to the rest of the transit system
- improved (more modern) signalling so NYC Transit doesn't have to
slow down car acceleration to compensate for the antiquated signalling
system currently in place
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 14, 1997 at 12:55:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Pirmann on April 10, 1997 at 22:23:19:
Out of curiosity, how much did it cost for the tape?
--Mark
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 14, 1997 at 13:03:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by Michael Azzollini on April 10,
1997 at 23:10:52:
From what I've heard, a consultant recommended that the TA spend the
money ($2 million) to better establish an "identity". The surface
division in NYC became MTA New York City Bus, in Long Island the
former Metropolitan Suburban Bus Authority because MTA Long Island
Bus, the Staten Island Rapid Transit Opeating Authority became MTA
Staten Island Railway and the Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority
became MTA Bridges & Tunnels.
Personally, I thought the identify was lost when the blue/red "TA"
logo disappeared on the R-32, R-38 and R-40 cars in the 70s ......
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POSTER>Bill Mosteller
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on April 14, 1997 at 13:24:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Center or Side Platforms? posted by Dan Lawrence
on April 11, 1997 at 23:56:24:
Interesting insight! I'm familiar with the strategy, as the Lindenwold
line between Philadelphia and South Jersey also uses it. They
inherited island platform subway stations (Philadelphia: 15-16 on
Locust, 12-13 on Locust, 8th & Market, and Franklin Square, Camden:
City Hall and Broadway) and built out 7 more surface stations the same
way.
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POSTER>Bill Mosteller
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Posted by Bill Mosteller on April 14, 1997 at 13:31:48:
In Reply to: [6]Is this a Cult Website? posted by Gary Jacobi on March
28, 1997 at 10:49:51:
I'd love to know what the questions are. A friend of mine talks about
taking AA's test along these lines and going 16 for 18. (He claims to
have lied on two questions. Oh, and he did sober up!)
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 14, 1997 at 14:01:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by steve on April 12, 1997 at
03:09:49:
Much as I miss it being around to enjoy, the bitter truth seems to be
that Transit and Suspension bridges don't mix very well. When BART was
first planned, tracks were still in place on the lower deck of the SF
Bay bridge. Nevertheless, a tunnel was built for BART right next to
the bridge, and the lower deck converted to automotive traffic. You
can still see the remains of the overhead wiring. The only Suspension
bridge that appears to be holding up under Transit/Railroad loads is
the Williamsburg, which in fact is a hybrid type of bridge; the side
spans are NOT suspension, and as a result it is far stiffer than a
full suspension bridge would be. Take a look at it; there are cables
over the side spans, but they hang straight, not curved under any
load!
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 14, 1997 at 14:29:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New York Transit Museum posted by David Steckler
on April 11, 1997 at 16:51:17:
I see a possibility for a great service here. Will anyone with a
"Review" of a Transit/Trolley/Railroad museum post it here for all to
profit us all? Here is my contribution:
California Railroad Museum, Sacramento. A beautiful facility, but not
much that moves. If you visit, ask to see the equipment that is stored
in the nearby yard, but which has not been restored. It includes the
entire ATSF collection which used to be in Albuquerque.
California Trolley Museum ( Now called Western RR Museum). Now these
guys MOVE! A nice place to bring a picnic lunch and ride as many
trolleys as you can. The number running depends on how many volunteers
show up, which is seasonal and weather related.
Kennebunkport Trolley Museum. Lots of Trolley rides, and lots more
unrestored equipment. During the Reagan and Bush years, they seem to
have received EVERYTHING the Pueblo test site had available.
I also hear good things about the Portola Ca collection, and the Train
Rides between Freemont and Sunol in the SF Bay area, but have not
visited. There is also a good static display in Travel Town within
Griffith Park in LA, with a live steam operation right next to it.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 14, 1997 at 15:46:23:
In Reply to: [5]NYCTA Name Change (was Re: S.I.R.T.) posted by Mark S
Feinman on April 14, 1997 at 13:03:01:
True, but think how Robert Moses must be twisting in his grave knowing
that his beloved TB&TA is now a branch of a Transit operation.
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on March 06, 1997 at 14:22:53:
In Reply to: [6]Express Subways posted by John Mullervy on March 02,
1997 at 22:20:30:
Outside of NY, the only other subway that has express
tracks/stations is the Broad Street Subway in Philadelphia.
Built by the city in 1922-1928, the plans were based on the
BQT/BMT system, including car size, etc. Market Street was built as
four track between 22nd and 15th Streets, with the "local"
tracks worked by streetcars. Subway trains make no
stops between 30th and 15th.
Boston's are bascially either streetcar subway or
converted streetcar subway (Blue Line). The Cambridge Subway
(Red Line)was built as a two track line opened in 1912 since Boston
didn't
have the density that New York has.
Everybody else was built since 1965 and expenses
limited tunnels to just two tracks.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 14, 1997 at 15:51:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no express on N,R trains? posted by robert
bonin on April 06, 1997 at 16:23:30:
Looking at the relative distances and car performances involved, the
Bridge was what made the 'N' tick. Running Express from 57th to Canal
would save only about 3 minutes. Since the off-peak schedule is often
8 minutes on the 'N' and 'R' this would put the two lines on top of
each other at one or the other end, followed by a big gap, not good
for the patrons between Canal and Dekalb or at Lexington Av.
South of DeKalb the N probably needs to be on the local tracks between
36th & Pacific to access the Montague St. Tunnel. And during the Rush
Hour 36th to 59th probably needs the headway on the local tracks since
the run through Lower Manhattan limits the headway further out.
The bottom line is that the lack of an alternate routing changed the
characteristics of the N dramaticly, but why did the repairs on the
north side of the bridge get done so quickly compared to the South
Side.
Suggestion:
Reroute the N to the North Side instead of the Q, and reopen the
original connection to Canal St. with a flat interlocking plant at the
point where Chrystie St. ties in. Make the Q an all stops local from
Brighton Beach to Canal via Montague then Express to 57th and on to
Queensbridge. The D would then run express to Coney Island over its
regular route as would the N augmented by the Q north of Canal. It may
take some construction but its better than up to six more years of
screwed up service on the N Of course the flat interlocking plant
would delay some trains but if the scheduling was creative trains on
like routes could meet at the junction.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 14, 1997 at 17:21:41:
In Reply to: [6]NYCTA Name Change (was Re: S.I.R.T.) posted by Mark S
Feinman on April 14, 1997 at 13:03:01:
I agree with what you said about the "TA" mating worms logo.I also
think that the MTA's new "speeding train" logo is lacking
something(perhaps creativity) and it loses the "Authority" aspect of
the MTA.Does anyone agree with me?
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Posted by Sean Goldman on April 14, 1997 at 21:49:06:
There's been a lot of talk lately that New York is long overdue for an
earthquake. If an earthquake should occur, assuming that there is
still a New York left, could the subway system be salvaged, or is it
too much of a mess already to put back together?
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on April 15, 1997 at 08:12:57:
In Reply to: [5]NYC Subway Earthquake Movie posted by Julio Perez on
April 11, 1997 at 11:38:21:
The movie in question was titled "A Short Walk to Daylight".
Unfortunately, it is NOT available on video cassette at the present
time. Perhaps it may be seen again on the "Late-Late Show"!
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on April 15, 1997 at 08:32:36:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by
Ben-Zion Cassouto on April 10, 1997 at 12:24:10:
Not only does the film feature Low-V's, they're World's Fair
Steinways! The film ostensibly depicts the Jerome Avenue Line, but you
are correct, the actual location is the old Third Avenue El (Bronx).
This was no doubt used since, at the time the movie was made, this
line was closed at night and thus made filming easier. Note the quick
change to R types as the train enters the subway portals at
Westchester Avenue on the White Plains Road Line! By the way, the
movie is not considered a "B" movie. Film buffs praise it's gritty
frankness, which for it's time was very "cutting edge". This was the
film debut for Martin Sheen and Tony Musante and the
film also features a VERY YOUNG, comely Donna Mills! Ed McMahon does a
credible job in a dramatic role too!
You might also enjoy "The Wrong Man" with Henry Fonda featuring
R-1/9's as well as R-15's on the Corona Line, "The House on Carrol
Street" with Mandy Patinkin and Kelly McGillis which features R-10's
at Hudson Street Station on the Liberty Avenue El and Acacia Cemetery
plus some great scenes in Grand Central Station (this really is an
EXCELLENT period piece set in the fifties, though filmed in the
eighties, and should have won an award for accuracy in set decoration.
If you are a classic car buff, you'll also love it!), and "The
Bachelor Party" with Eli Wallach. This one features BMT Standards on
the 14th Street-Canarsie Line.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 15, 1997 at 12:21:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Name Change (was Re: S.I.R.T.) posted by
Bryan Layne on April 14, 1997 at 17:21:41:
Speeding Train Logo? Looks like PAC-MAN to me (the letters MTA being
eaten by a blue Pac-Man creature) ....
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 15, 1997 at 12:22:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCTA Name Change (was Re: S.I.R.T.) posted by
Gary Jacobi on April 14, 1997 at 15:46:23:
You know, I hadn't even thought about that. What delicious irony!!
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Posted by steve lowenthal\ on April 15, 1997 at 13:15:37:
In Reply to: [6]salutations from PARIS. posted by EMMANUEL VIVET on
April 12, 1997 at 21:17:02:
hi,do u have track maps of the ratp.regional rail
,,light rail system in paris
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 15, 1997 at 16:38:20:
In Reply to: [6]What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of Transit?
posted by Bob Andersen on April 11, 1997 at 21:36:42:
The rail links to LGA and JFK are _very_ good ideas. If only the Port
Authority of NY & NJ can wake up and smell the coffee by letting the
MTA build a spur that would lead _directly_ into the respective
terminals, and _not_ go with a light rail solution between JFK and the
A line as has been suggested elsewhere.
The people from the PA must be drinking water straight from the Hudson
and have been cooped up too long in the city. A visit to Atlanta is in
order for them. There, you pick up your luggage after landing at
Hartsfield Airport, take a MARTA train, and twenty minutes later,
BOOM! you're in downtown Atlanta. WITHOUT the use of a light rail
connection, mind you.
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Posted by Tracy Moskaloff on April 16, 1997 at 15:00:19:
In Reply to: [6]What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of Transit?
posted by Bob Andersen on April 11, 1997 at 21:36:42:
More like we need a rail to Coney Island!! No, I am just joking. I
think we need rail links to the airports also. Especially, EWR. Newark
International.
Newark is starting to take alot of our eastbound planes from Seattle,
San Fran, L.A. I fly from Seattle, Washington to NYC every 2-3 weeks.
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Posted by Janet Wright on March 06, 1997 at 16:58:41:
I am an independent NYC video producer seeking information about the
New York City Transporation Authority's "Miss Subways" advertising
campaign which started in May of 1941 and ran through 1976. I am
particularly seeking any women who were selected for the ads which
appeared monthly in the subway cars. Any information or posters, etc.
would be appreciated. Thanks for your help!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 16, 1997 at 15:30:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Steve on March 18, 1997
at 23:13:05:
Yes, it is good that the L line will finally get some new equipment.
It is long overdue. My understanding is that the BMT Eastern has not
received any new equipment (R-44/46/68/68A's) in several years because
these 75 foot long cars could not take the sharp turns near to
Crescent St and Cypress Hills stations. If this is true we know that
it would only affect the J/Z lines, but maybe they are other locations
like this one on these lines (J,L,M and Z). I have ridden every line
on the system end to end, but I've never spent much time on these
lines. I just never found them to be fun lines to ride other than the
J/Z express run between Myrtle Ave and Marcy Ave.
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on April 16, 1997 at 15:49:48:
In Reply to: [6]What if... posted by Sean Goldman on April 14, 1997 at
21:49:06:
Well , Sean , I think that the NYC Subway system would be the least of
our problems if the "Big One" would strike. We have water pipes
breaking
all the time without any assistance from mother nature. I'm sure that
when
the subway system was constructed , builders were not thinking of the
possibility of a major earthquake hitting New York City. I know that
there
was a moderate earthquake in the late 1800s ( I think it was located
in
Queens or Brooklyn ) , but , at that time , the outer boroughs were
mostly
rural. There was little or no damage. I wonder what damage an
earthquake
of that magnitude would do today ? I have this article from a recent
issue of the New Yorker which describes some possibilities if a major
earthquake would strike the city ( including extensive damage to the
subway system or even total destruction ) , I'll look for it and get
back to
you.
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on April 16, 1997 at 16:03:10:
What do you think about this new tram system being built in Hudson
and Bergen counties ?
Do you live in the areas that will be served and will you use it to
work ?
What do you think about the Hoboken rail alignment conflict ?
[ some people in Hoboken want it to follow the Conrail tracks along
the western edge of the city instead of the waterfront route ]
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I was just think back to the first of the current redbirds (1980's). I
remember when the TA painted a few trains on the Flushing line and I
have a vague memory of them being called a "silver fox" at the time.
This was probably around 1983-4. I am I correct???
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 16, 1997 at 16:29:39:
I was just think back to the first of the current redbirds (1980's). I
remember when the TA painted a few trains on the Flushing line and I
have a vague memory of them being called a "silver fox" at the time.
This was probably around 1983-4. Am I correct???
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 16, 1997 at 16:59:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-110A and B's posted by Wayne Johnson on April
16, 1997 at 15:30:20:
Don't give up on the J/Z if you are at all interested in stations! The
ones between Alababa Ave and Crescent Street are as mixed a bag as you
can find. Some of them look like they were built by local volunteers (
I think of Norwood Ave in particular). They were all built circia
1893, and several companies other than BER did the work. I'm sure that
you are correct about 75 footers being too long for the Crescent
Street curves. It always amazed me that Standards and Triplexes could
use the structure, whereas only lightweights were allowed on Pitkin
Avenue.
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In Reply to: [5]Re: IND extentions in N.E. BRONX posted by Steve on
April 14, 1997 at 02:36:23:
The #6 is built to B-Div with gapfillers so IRT trains can use it
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In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on April 06, 1997
at 20:56:22:
Were the other 9 scrapped? I remember seeing them in Coney Island in
the early-mid 80's. I was surprised they weren't scrapped, and in fact
(from a distance) they looked like they were in pretty good shape.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 16, 1997 at 22:26:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IND SUBWAY SECOND PHASE posted by Gary Jacobi on
March 18, 1997 at 12:17:11:
It'll be tough to check out the places you mentioned, since they are
more or less inaccessible to the public. Utica Avenue in particular --
I went there, and I didn't even see a door into the incomplete areas.
As for Roosevelt Avenue, you'll have to take the tour (but you can
also see the ramps to the lines from the R and G trains east of
Roosevelt). South 4th Street area is accessible only to maintenance
personnel. Bummer.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 16, 1997 at 22:38:47:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Steve on
March 15, 1997 at 16:19:04:
Over the years there were a lot of Suffolk stations that were dropped.
A couple of the more recent (if I remember correctly) were Pine-Aire
and Calverton, on the Ronkonkoma Branch. I remember seeing the remains
of the ground level shed at one of these stations several years back,
long after the platforms were raised and the line electrified.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 06, 1997 at 17:27:24:
In Reply to: [5]"Miss Subways" Advertising Campaign posted by Janet
Wright on March 06, 1997 at 16:58:41:
Is 1976 a typo? I was a healthy young male rider of the incomparable
NY subway system on a daily basis from 1957 through 1963, and I don't
recall any monthly "Miss Subway" posters!
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 16, 1997 at 22:43:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Andrew Huie
on April 16, 1997 at 22:38:47:
Oh, and I highly recommend "Steel Rails to the Sunrise" which gives a
very nice history of the LIRR, plus a map showing a lot of the
stations which no longer exist. I know the book was reprinted a few
years ago, not sure if any copies are still available.
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Posted by Peter Gray on April 17, 1997 at 01:30:29:
In Reply to: [6]S.I.R.T. posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at
20:55:25:
Mark:
Looks like your inquiry on S.I.R.T. has been well answered. Actually,
info on this website informs me passenger operations were ended on the
North Shore line (St. George - Arlington [Port Ivory]) & South Shore
Line in 1952. Freight service continued on the North Shore Line until
around 1990. I hear talk about reviving it, but parts of the tracks
are already hanging precariously over the Kill van Kull. If they wait
much longer the right of way will be gone.
I grew up on Staten Island and in the 1960's remember seeing the
abandoned stations on the North Shore Line (especially the Richmond
Avenue Station; the platforms & stairs up to them were there as of mid
1960's; maybe still are now) and the open cut South Shore Line station
at Major Avenue (Arrochar). Again, the platforms & right-of-way was
still there, though a big piece of it was devoured by the Verrazano
Bridge toll plaza. My folks tell me that the three train lines were
extremely well integrated with a network of trolleys - also long-gone
(anybody have any info about Staten Island trolleys?). There was never
any train line on the west side of the island (facing New Jersey)
which was mostly marshland & was sparsely populated, (today it's
mostly garbage dump and rows of ugly box houses). A ferry existed
between Tottenville and Perth Amboy in New Jersey from colonial times
until sometime early in this century (anybody know when it stopped?);
in the mid-1960's the mouldering slips were still there. The ferry was
across the street from the Tottenville S.I.R.T. terminus.
Of course, now that Staten Island's population is four times what it
was in the 1940's, there's less public transportation than ever, and
apparently none in the works. The stupidity of city planners & the
love affair with the automobile have taken a heavy toll.
By the way, your Tokyo map is in the works...
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Posted by Liam O'Suilebhain on April 17, 1997 at 01:39:03:
In Reply to: [5]Re: homeless people posted by Jim on April 06, 1997 at
14:18:24:
The homeless in the New York subway are disgusting. Most of them
should be in mental institutions, but given the American preference
for chaotic freedom, they are allowed to roam the underground at will,
polluting it and helping to perpetuate the NY Subway's reputation for
filth and danger.
Sure the people are pathetic & in need of help, but that doesn't mean
passengers on their way to work or school should have to put up with
them. No other subway system in the world would tolerate what New
Yorkers think is just part of the daily routine.
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Posted by Peter Gray on April 17, 1997 at 01:54:04:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Andrew on April 10, 1997 at
17:58:21:
I'm amazed at all the interest in Staten Island's rapid transit.
'Sailors Snug Harbor' was a station in front of the home for retired
sailors/seamen of the same name (on the inland side of Richmond
Terrace), which survives as the Snug Harbor Cultural Center. There are
a number of excellent Victorian revival buildings on the property,
which had its own farm, and various workshops for the retired old
salts. The last of the old sailors were relocated to a new home in
South Carolina back around 1978 or 1980. Your're right about the
condition of the line though - it's hanging over thin air (or over the
Kill van Kull at times). Several stations still seem to be largely
intact, though as you remarked, not much to see from legal vantage
points. Though there was never connecting passenger service to New
Jersey by the B&O, apparently some special passenger train service did
occasionally come in from New Jersey. My mother told me that the King
& Queen of England came up from Washington D.C. (visiting Roosevelt)
on the B&O around 1936 and that their 'royal' train came across the
Arthur Kill and along the North Shore Line to St. George. This story
always puzzled me though, because they could have more easily taken
the train directly into Penn Station in Manhattan, which I assume was
their ultimate destination.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 17, 1997 at 09:12:54:
In Reply to: [6]LOADS OF BUS PICS ALWAYS CHANGING posted by Bob Redden
on March 28, 1997 at 23:43:23:
I am interested in visiting this site, but the address you listed
dosen't seem to work.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 17, 1997 at 10:19:55:
Just wondering if someone has exact routings of some of the subway
lines where they jump from one street to another between stations,
expecially in the Bronx, Queens & Brooklyn. (eg: #2 near 180th) Also
which streets the open cuts run between (eg: Sea Beach & Brighton)
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 17, 1997 at 10:32:42:
Dave:
Can you set up a post for new messages that isn't at the end of the
whole list (perhaps a page by itself). I don't know if others have
this problem but if anything interrupts a load of 'subtalk' I have a
hard time getting back to the end of the list with Netscape 3.0
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 17, 1997 at 10:54:25:
In Reply to: [6]Subway Routings posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 17,
1997 at 10:19:55:
As a NYC native I know much of the info. that you are looking for -
the rest I can easily find out. I am very, very familiar with the
routes and the streets they travel in the Bronx and Manhattan and
relatively familiar with this info. for Brooklyn and Queens. Anything
in particular or specific route you're looking for?
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looking to contact the urban transit club,,,need tele
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Posted by Mark Feinman on April 17, 1997 at 13:09:34:
In Reply to: [6]urban transit club nyc posted by steve lowenthal on
April 17, 1997 at 12:00:05:
Urban Transit CLub meets at the Masonic Building in NYC, 71 West 23rd
Street (at 6th Ave), Room 2 West. Doors open 6, show starts 7:30. Next
show dates May 10 and June 14. Unfortunately, the flyer I have does
NOT have any contact name or phone number.
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 06, 1997 at 17:27:57:
In Reply to: [6]"Miss Subways" Advertising Campaign posted by Janet
Wright on March 06, 1997 at 16:58:41:
Sounds like an interesting search!
It might be fun to include in your video a clip
from "On The Town" (Bernstein/Comden/Green) in
which a "Miss Turnstiles" pagent is held.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 17, 1997 at 15:21:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subway Routings posted by Wayne Johnson on April
17, 1997 at 10:54:25:
I am looking for any routings where the subways pass over/under side
streets or private land, between stations in the outer boroughs. I
realize that this may be a lot of information. If you can help me and
don't wish to do a lengthy post, please feel free to E-mail me at
oregan@freud.mec.edu
Gerry
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 17, 1997 at 17:41:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subway Routings posted by Gerry O'Regan on April
17, 1997 at 15:21:55:
Much of what you seem to want is contained in Peter Dougherty's Track
Maps on NY Subway Resources Website. Private RW is a moderate feature
of the Canarsie,Franklin,and Metropolitan Ave areas.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 17, 1997 at 18:32:11:
I read a while back that the MTA was going to rebuild or renovate the
#7 lines' elevated structure while still in service.Has this started
yet and what are all the details of this project?
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 17, 1997 at 21:30:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Peter Gray on April 17, 1997
at 01:54:04:
Who knows? Perhaps the B&O was chosen to be the transport for the king
queen. Anybody familiar with B&O history care to confirm?
Even though the SIRT might not look like much, it does have an
interesting history, especially since it is not well known in NYC.
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Posted by Ben Morcos on April 18, 1997 at 06:15:07:
I am currently doing a term project for my engineering class on the
New York Subway. This site is a great source to say the least. I was
wondering if anyone has any interesting facts I can throw in my paper.
Thanx
Ben Morcos
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 18, 1997 at 11:11:33:
In Reply to: [6]LOOKING FOR INTERESTING FACTS posted by Ben Morcos on
April 18, 1997 at 06:15:07:
Engineering Hmmm. Did you know that the NY Times building (Now owned
by New York Newsday) stands directly above the IRT Broadway-7th Ave
lines and shares one of it's support columns with the subway below.
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POSTER>Mark S Feinman
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 18, 1997 at 12:32:29:
In Reply to: [6]Flushing Line Rebuilding? posted by Bryan Layne on
April 17, 1997 at 18:32:11:
If you mean the viaduct over Queens Blvd, that construction project
just wrapped up.
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Posted by David Steckler on April 18, 1997 at 16:52:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LOOKING FOR INTERESTING FACTS posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 18, 1997 at 11:11:33:
I don't know if you are just looking for engineering facts or others
as well. Here's a few others: The old substation #5 of the 2nd Ave. El
at Allen & Division St. was being used as of a few years ago for a
Chinese wholesale produce market. Substation #6 at 34th Street between
2nd and 3rd Ave. is now the 34th Street East movie theater (it's on
the north side of the street). Substation #7 at 99th Street & 3rd.
Ave. is used as the TA Structure and Equipment Electrical Department.
The retaining wall behind the building was formerly the back of a
Third Ave. Elevated yard, now a housing development park. And I think
there's some steel girderwork east of 2nd. Ave at the landing of the
59th St. Bridge that still stands (the 2nd. Ave. El crossed the 59th
St. Bridge).
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Posted by JOHN on April 18, 1997 at 20:59:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Center or Side Platforms? posted by Bill Mosteller
on April 14, 1997 at 13:24:33:
In New York, side platforms seem to be the preferred by the TA.
Basically, the only time you will encounter center platforms is at
express/local stops (where both local and express trains stop). A
typical local/express station has two center platforms. The outer
tracks are for local trains, and the inner tracks are for express
trains. Passengers can make local>express transfers (or vice/versa) by
crossing the platform. A typical local stop on a trunk line also has
four tracks with two side platforms. Express trains pass through the
station on the two center tracks, which do not have platforms. At
stations on spur or local-only lines, there are two tracks and two
side platforms, although occasionally, you will encounter a
center-platform station. Please note, also, that some lines have three
tracks (two local, and one express), but these lines are usually on
elevated lines and usually do not have express service.
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Posted by JOHN on April 18, 1997 at 21:15:44:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Pirmann on April 13, 1997 at 20:58:27:
Know what? If they were R-27/R-30s, they probably did. Know something
else? Those cars were NEVER used on IRT lines (they are designed for
the BMT/IND lines). Those cars cannot use the IRT tunnels simply
because they won't fit. They also won't fit into IRT stations.
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Posted by Steve on March 06, 1997 at 22:28:43:
In Reply to: [6]"Miss Subways" Advertising Campaign posted by Janet
Wright on March 06, 1997 at 16:58:41:
I believe that I recently saw a miss subways poster on one of the
museum trains. I didn't pay much attention to it though. There may be
some available through the Transit Museum on Borem Place. I don't have
the phone # handy but you can call :
(718) 330-1234 and they'll give you the correct number. If I run
across any, I'll give you a shout.
Sounds like an interesting project - good luck...
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Posted by JOHN on April 18, 1997 at 21:23:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by
Ben-Zion Cassouto on April 10, 1997 at 12:24:10:
Another movie with a few subway shots is "The French Connection"
(1971). There is a scene in the Grand Central shuttle station, and
also a car/elevated train chase on the West End Line (at least, I
think it was the West End - the station said Bay 50th St., but the
train's head sign said 'N'. The train was an R-42 train and the
shuttle train was an R-17 train.
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Posted by JOHN on April 18, 1997 at 21:33:08:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Steve on April 08, 1997 at 22:41:20:
Maybe it was a different type of subway train, because I could have
sworn I read in the roster section in the back of the book "New York
Subway Cars" that a few trains were sent to Caracus.
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Posted by JOHN on April 18, 1997 at 21:49:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Old systems vs. New posted by Mark Greenwald on
March 27, 1997 at 09:52:15:
Now wait a minute, Greenwald. There's nothing wrong with the New York
City Subway System (debatable point, but for the most part it's true).
There is nothing wrong with the equipment. This system carries
thousands of passengers each day without incident. I have been riding
the subways since I was an infant and I have never been injured or
been involved with any kind of mishap on subway property. True, some
of the cars are over 30 years old, but these cars are still going
strong, and with proper maintenence, can keep running for the next 30
years. True, the system is noisy, but what do you expect? Steel wheels
on steel rails in a tunnel. True, that in the 1970s and 1980s, the
subway was Graffitti Central and the centerpeice of urban decay, but
today, not a trace of the dark days remain, and the TA is doing a
fantastic job at keeping the subway in working order. WAY TO GO, MTA
NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT AUTHORITY!!!!
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 18, 1997 at 22:39:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: LOOKING FOR INTERESTING FACTS posted by David
Steckler on April 18, 1997 at 16:52:12:
Last I saw, substation #5 was still being used for that purpose, and
still has most of the "Manhattan Railway" lettering on the side facing
away from Allen, towards Division.
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Posted by David M. Razler on April 18, 1997 at 23:12:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by JOHN
on April 18, 1997 at 21:15:44:
This was one of the bits of trivia that was brought out in the *book*
making it a must-read!
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In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by JOHN
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Are you sure about that? I haven't seen The French Connection in a
while but I though the cars were either R-32's or R-38's.
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wouldnt it be cool if the city let amateur and proffesional artists
paint murals on subway cars.. of course they wouldbe murals that send
out good messages like "say no to drugs" and "help aids research" and
what not.. it could probly even make the city some money!
Lefty
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Posted by Jim on April 19, 1997 at 12:33:34:
In Reply to: [6]wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by Lefty on
April 19, 1997 at 11:58:58:
Yes it would be 'cool'. Especially when all of the mindless imittors
with little or no talent start to ply their messages. Then we'd be
back it the mess we were in, in the 70s and early 80s. Then how much
money do you think the city would save? Keep thinking though. We need
more great ideas...
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 19, 1997 at 12:35:24:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old systems vs. New posted by JOHN on April 18,
1997 at 21:49:37:
Its always nice to see someone say something good about NYCT.
Considering what the system does, and in comparison to the much
smaller system here in Boston it is amazing. Back when we had 'real'
signals here, two or three blocks behind the train would be red. In
New York when the train is halfway out of the station the following
train is already entering, protected by a signal at mid platform.
Someone had their act together when the NY transit system was built
and unified. Let's hope it stays that way!
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Posted by Ben on April 19, 1997 at 16:36:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by JOHN
on April 18, 1997 at 21:15:44:
I saw the movie thousands of times and I am positive that there are
only three doors on either side.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 07, 1997 at 10:16:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Express Subways posted by Dan Lawrence on March
06, 1997 at 14:22:53:
Density is definitely a large part of the equation that makes NYC
Subways unique, at least on this contient. Sheer size is another. Take
a look at any comparison of statistics, such as Boris Pushkarev's 1980
book, and you can appreciate the order of magnitude difference. For
example, He lists almost five THOUSAND cars on line during rush hour
in NY. Compare that to the system of your interest. Some subway runs
are over an hour in duration. in those situations, which I endured for
three years in the very early sixties, the trip would have taken over
a half hour more if all local stops had to be made. This is a
significant savings, which would not be reflected in skipping a few
stops on the average system. NY local stations were also built closer
together than on more contemporary systems, most closer than one mile
apart, because passengers had to be able to walk to a station, for the
most part. So the bottom line, perhaps, is that no other system would
get a commensurate payback from the admitted expense of building
4-track lines.
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Posted by Steve on April 19, 1997 at 17:09:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by JOHN
on April 18, 1997 at 21:23:39:
The scene on in "The French Connection" on the elevated structure was
filmed on the B line. The lead motor in that scene was an R-40M car
#4542. The train it was supposed to have hit was an R-32.
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Posted by Steve on April 19, 1997 at 17:12:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by JOHN
on April 18, 1997 at 21:23:39:
The scene on in "The French Connection" on the elevated structure was
filmed on the B line. The lead motor in that scene was an R-40M car
#4542. The train it was supposed to have hit was an R-32. By the way,
do not be confused. Many scenes using the subways are filmed on the
two outer platforms at Hoyt - Schermahorn or at Bergen Street lower
level.
If the script calls for an IRT consist, a similar B division car might
be fitted with IRT signs and the station signs changed accordingly.
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Does anyone know about the spur tracks just north of Erie station on
the Orange Line (where they go, past/future plans,etc.)??????
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on April 19, 1997 at 22:22:16:
In Reply to: [6]Transit Museum going private? posted by Ed Yung on
April 14, 1997 at 08:53:43:
How and where would a private company store and restore trains to keep
them from rotting away like they seem to do when being stored. Maybe a
facility could be built somehwere close to the city, if not in it,
with access to MNRR or LIRR tracks. But for the same reasons the
museum is not a money maker for the MTA, it would be even worse as a
private enterpirse. I am almost positive that the MTA would make a
private company purchase the used subway cars for the museum. A
private company would encounter more economic problems than the MTA
running the museum.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 20, 1997 at 01:00:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by Jim on
April 19, 1997 at 12:33:34:
Actually, I think it's a great idea. I'm not sure it would cause a
second wave of grafitti, anymore than the artwork in the stations now
does. I doubt it'll happen though. Of course I'm also praying that the
T/A will bring back the redbirds.........
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Posted by charlie muller on April 20, 1997 at 02:54:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC Subway Earthquake Movie posted by Frank
Gatazka on April 15, 1997 at 08:12:57:
if you have cable on your tv maybe you can catch the movie ''a short
walk to daylight.'' somtetimes tnt or tbs or usa networks run it. the
last time i saw that movie was in the early 90's. i liked the movie
and hope to see it again soon. it should be put on video since it it
has not been on tv for a while.
charlie muller.
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POSTER>Alan Kline
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Posted by Alan Kline on April 20, 1997 at 04:09:52:
In Reply to: [6]Transit Museum going private? posted by Ed Yung on
April 14, 1997 at 08:53:43:
Does the Museum (or its fleet) have any sort of historic-
preservation or landmark status to protect it from the
budget cutters?
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Posted by Brad Tribucher on April 20, 1997 at 12:37:10:
Why do some NR trains have to be rolling sewers?
Some of them are clean, but for the most part they are rolling garbage
cans. All that needs to be done is a little sweeping, and they would
be fine. But NO! You could pay the homeless min. wage to sweep the
trains at night and the trains would be nice and clean in the morning
while providing money for food for these people who have to resort to
begging in the subway cars anyway. Thoughts anyone?
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Posted by Jim on April 20, 1997 at 15:40:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 20, 1997 at 01:00:14:
I guess you have more faith in human nature than I do. As far as the
RedBirds are cooncerned. Enjoy them while you can. 740 R-142s go out
for bid in June.
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Posted by Jim on April 20, 1997 at 15:45:59:
In Reply to: [6]NR LIne posted by Brad Tribucher on April 20, 1997 at
12:37:10:
The N & R trains are dirty for 2 reasons. First: some of those that
ride these lines are slobs. Second: the TA has cut the ranks of the
cleaners by about 1/3.
As for payting the homeless minimum wage to sweep, I think that you
might have some oposition from the TWU local #100. Their members are
paid more than $16 per hour to sweep (+ benifits). There is virtual
warfare now with the TA planning to use WEP people (welfare & home
relief) to fill the cleaner vacancies that now exist.
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Posted by Tim on March 07, 1997 at 12:08:37:
In Reply to: [6]NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by David M. Razler
on March 03, 1997 at 13:21:31:
The 1974 NYC Commuter Rail Overview Map by Michael Adler located at
this site shows many LIRR stations no longer serviced. As for stations
abandoned prior to 1974, I have now idea where to look...anyone know
where to find an old map like that of the LIRR?
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Posted by Dave L. on April 20, 1997 at 15:46:52:
In Reply to: [5]Light rail connection to JFK posted by Ted Nielsen on
April 06, 1997 at 21:01:23:
There was a piece about this in the Times recently. The current
(Pataki) plan is for a loop serving all JFK terminals; the turns and
grades involved would be too sharp for current subway and LIRR trains,
but the city is demanding that the line be strong enough for heavy
rail in case nimbler cars should come into use; only then could there
be direct service t/f Manhattan. The line would be elevated on pylons
in the Van Wyck median and enter Jamaica Station from the west. A spur
would go to the long-term parking lot and the Howard Beach A station.
The city also wants a subway spur from Astoria or Qns Bvd. to LGA, but
even so there wouldn't be any LGA-JFK route.
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Posted by Steve on April 20, 1997 at 16:05:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by JOHN on April 18, 1997 at 21:33:08:
To the best of my knowledge, this was not the case. The 10s and the
27/30s were pretty well canabalized once they were scrapped. That's
not to say that the car bodies couldn't have been re-sold (by the
scrap-dealers) to another agency but IMHO I don't think reuilding was
feasible.
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Posted by Dave Landreth on April 20, 1997 at 16:26:37:
At last the 59th St. IRT-BMT station renovation seems to be heading to
completion (with marvelous Elizabeth Murray mosiacs!)--looks good
except for one thing: the new signage indicating transfers, etc., has
black letters on a white background, not the reverse. I'd already seen
signs like them at 51st St. but assumed they were
temporary--apparently not. Not only is this confusingly inconsistent
with the rest of the subway graphics program, but it looks worse, and
it's already begun to attract graffitti. Is it cropping up elsewhere
in the system?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 20, 1997 at 16:48:59:
In Reply to: [6]New Signage? posted by Dave Landreth on April 20, 1997
at 16:26:37:
I agree,I think its a dumb idea.Plus,we already know that graffiti
taggers love to write on things that you can clearly see their tag.On
the rest of the signs we dont seem to have that problem as much.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 20, 1997 at 16:59:43:
Does anyone know if PATH is considering or is near to ordering new
cars?
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Posted by philip nasadowski on April 20, 1997 at 18:58:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by Jim on
April 20, 1997 at 15:40:01:
I sure do, every time I go from Hartford to LI, I take MN down to GCT
and take the 7 to TS to and the 1/2/3/9 to Penn to get the LIRR to PW
:)
Actually, I'm glad to see an investment in new stuff (are the new cars
going to have A/C inverter propulsion??), but I really wish the MTA
would get better stylists. Heck, even the LIRR's M-1's look better
than the current 62's. I think the latter is just too plain looking,
and frankly ugly. The stainless steel look doesn't deter vandals
anyway - witness the "keying" of windows on the system, and on the
interior walls. I don't think stainless steel has as much to do with
grafitti deterence as clean, attractive stations and a reliable, well
viewed system do. Today's subway is light years ahead of what it was
in the 80's.
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Posted by philip nasadowski on April 20, 1997 at 18:58:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by Jim on
April 20, 1997 at 15:40:01:
I sure do, every time I go from Hartford to LI, I take MN down to GCT
and take the 7 to TS to and the 1/2/3/9 to Penn to get the LIRR to PW
:)
Actually, I'm glad to see an investment in new stuff (are the new cars
going to have A/C inverter propulsion??), but I really wish the MTA
would get better stylists. Heck, even the LIRR's M-1's look better
than the current 62's. I think the latter is just too plain looking,
and frankly ugly. The stainless steel look doesn't deter vandals
anyway - witness the "keying" of windows on the system, and on the
interior walls. I don't think stainless steel has as much to do with
grafitti deterence as clean, attractive stations and a reliable, well
viewed system do. Today's subway is light years ahead of what it was
in the 80's.
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Posted by Jim on April 20, 1997 at 20:45:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by philip
nasadowski on April 20, 1997 at 18:58:15:
The R-142s will have AC propulsion and 'modular' HVAC units which will
be serviced through the car roof. There will be numerous other
innovations too, although, the 142s will not be equiped to operate
with the new signal technology while the R-143s will.
I think that the MTA has learned its lesson with stainless steel
interiors. From the first delivery, I saiid that riding an R-62 or 68
was like riding inside of a tuna fish can. Unfortunately, because of
the tunnel configurations, innovations to the car envelope must be
severely limited.
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Posted by Steve on April 20, 1997 at 20:56:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Andrew Huie on April
16, 1997 at 22:14:29:
The R-11s (re-designated R-34s) were unceremoniously de-commissioned
in the mid 80s. 9 were scrapped and one is on display at the transit
museum.
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Posted by Jim on April 20, 1997 at 21:00:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Signage? posted by Bryan Layne on April 20,
1997 at 16:48:59:
Sadly, you are correct, however, a consultant to the MTA pointed out
that black on white is more visible and easier to read than white on
black.
Graffiti not withstanding - of course....
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A piece of the Green Line in Boston will relocate with the spring
timetable. This includes a new, double-deck steel structure, highway
ramp above, rail below and the use of the old Orange Line portal north
of Haymarket. Canal St. terminal is history. This is the next step
toward a super underground North Station below the Fleet Center.
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 07, 1997 at 14:05:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs posted by Steve on March 03, 1997 at
21:36:18:
I think the last revenue subway cars in NYC using
incandescent lighting were the R-1s, probably
used until at least 1977, although they were used
in Sly Stallone's movie "Nighthawks," from 1981.
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Posted by Steve on April 20, 1997 at 21:07:31:
The LIRR has been equiping the M-1s and M-3s with additional running
lights. The new dual headlamps are mounted on the bonnet directly
above the plug door. Currently, about 20% of the fleet has been
completed. Some of the diesel fleet has also been done (of course, not
the same light arrangement). Is anyone aware if the M-1s, M-2s, M-3s,
M-4s or M-6s on metro-north are getting the same treatment?
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Posted by JOHN on April 20, 1997 at 22:01:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by Jim on
April 20, 1997 at 20:45:10:
Does anybody know when the IRT Redbirds will start being
decommisioned?
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In Reply to: [5]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by Ben
on April 19, 1997 at 16:36:38:
You're right. There are three doors on each side of all IRT equipment,
and four doors on each side of BMT and IND equipment.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 20, 1997 at 22:07:30:
I think the TA should paint them red! A system of all stainless steel
cars sounds pretty drab.I say they should paint them red,I dont think
it would be that hard to do.Does anyone agree with me?
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:10:05:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by Steve
on April 19, 1997 at 17:12:14:
That's exactly what they did in Money Train - the movie with the most
inaccuracy I ever saw.
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:11:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by David
Steckler on April 19, 1997 at 09:38:45:
No, no. It was an R-40 train
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:14:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: weird subway incidents posted by Jim on April 11,
1997 at 00:26:04:
Lemmie get this straight. Two bums start !!!! each other in the subway
tunnel, they get hit by a train . . . where did you hear this from?
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:20:28:
In Reply to: [5]Re: weird subway incidents posted by beau on March 30,
1997 at 00:12:39:
Has the New York City Subway System become a 722-mile long public
restroom? Apparantly so, considering that I've seen a bum pissing
between the cars of a northbound #5 train, and another guy taking a
shit on a platform at the Broad Street Station on the J line.
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:26:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why no express on N,R trains? posted by Gerry
O'Regan on April 14, 1997 at 15:51:26:
A couple of things, though. A train travelling on the north side of
the bridge cannot access the connection to Canal Street. Another
thing. Recently, I transfered between the R train and the #6 train at
Canal Street and part of the transfer required me to walk along the
unused platform that N and Q trains used to use. The tracks were all
torn up - there's no way a train can travel there.
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:35:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Steve on April 20, 1997 at 16:05:02:
Then what exactly did the roster say in the back of the book? Okay,
let me restate this question: Did the New York City Transit Authority
ever sell any subway trains to other transit authorities? If so, which
ones?
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Posted by Julio Perez on March 07, 1997 at 14:07:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old Subway Items For Sale? posted by Steve
Kreisler on March 05, 1997 at 13:22:46:
I suppose by 37.5 V, you mean DC...?
I don't remember whether the third-rail voltage
was 600 VAC or VDC, hence the doubt.
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:40:34:
In Reply to: [5]Re: City Hall Station posted by Steve on March 18,
1997 at 19:35:04:
Do the #6 trains still use the Redbirds? I know that the 5 always does
and the 4 occasionally does.
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:55:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MEMORY'S posted by gary jacobi on March 18, 1997
at 11:54:56:
Gary Jacobi, I agree with you so friggin' much, it's not even funny.
Everybody in my family hates the noisiness of the New York Subway, but
I LOVE it!! To me, it was actually thrilling to be in a crowded subway
train, hanging on to a strap, while the train fled through the tunnel,
banging and shimmying, with the lights flickering on and off and the
wheel trucks making funny noises and the earsplitting sound of
scraping and screeching metal as the train rounded a curve or came to
a stop . . . those were the days. Now, it's a slow-ass ride on a
mouse-quiet train that hisses to a stop and does a 1/2 mile an hour
around turns. What the hell is that? What's going on? What happened?
What happened to all the 'good' trains? And, oh, what happened to the
beloved handstrap? How could the TA do such a thing as to replace the
traditional handstraps with railings? The New York subway wasn't ment
to be angelically quiet with modern equipment. At least not the New
York subway I grew up with and became accustomed to. Washington and
San Francisco's subways were meant to be that way, but not New York.
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Posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 23:02:22:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Steve on April 20,
1997 at 20:56:05:
They ran into the '80s? I don't remember them going that long. What
year were they decommisioned?
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Posted by John Ohanian on April 20, 1997 at 23:04:49:
I just thought of something. What would one do if they accedentally
got on the wrong subway train and wound up going to the yard for the
night. Would they be stuck in the train all night long?
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Posted by Lefty on April 21, 1997 at 10:16:17:
In Reply to: [6]Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Bryan Layne on
April 20, 1997 at 22:07:30:
thats a real good idea, but it just wouldnt look right as i imagine
it.. maybe it would who knows.. -Lefty
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 21, 1997 at 13:15:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: MEMORY'S posted by John on April 20, 1997 at
22:55:13:
Couldn't have said it better! I sometimes think that the subways were
safer, from a crime standpoint, because robbers are cowards, and the
old subway scared them too much, and you could always act as if you
didn't hear them and be believed. Of course, the Sullivan Law also
worked in your favor, in that you knew with 99% certainty that the
jerk didn't have a gun, no matter what he told you. In the late
fifties and early sixties I actually told attempting holdup men to
perform a physically impossible act on five occasions, adding that I
knew that it wasn't a gun they had stuck in my ribs. Of course it
helped to be 18 years old and six foot six to back it up. All five
fled. I would not recommend this tactic today!
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Posted by John on April 21, 1997 at 13:38:09:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Lefty on
April 21, 1997 at 10:16:17:
Painting the R-142s red would be pretty good, but it still wouldn't
match the charm of the old Redbirds.
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Posted by John on April 21, 1997 at 13:46:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by Ben-Zion Cassouto
on April 07, 1997 at 09:54:09:
Well, at least we'll have more options on travelling into the city
from Queens. I don't know what service changes the TA will do once the
tunnel is completed, but a new subway line (the V train) will commence
operation, but to where is beyond me (probably another Queens - Coney
Island line)
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POSTER>Andrew Huie
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 21, 1997 at 13:59:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on April 20, 1997
at 23:02:22:
As far as I know, they were taken off the Franklin Avenue shuttle in
the late '70s and never used again, but my information is pretty
sketchy at best.
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Posted by David Steckler on April 21, 1997 at 15:06:12:
In Reply to: [6]I GOT STUCK IN THE TRAIN!!! posted by John Ohanian on
April 20, 1997 at 23:04:49:
I can think of a lot worse places to get stuck for the night! Sounds
like fun.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 07, 1997 at 17:12:04:
In Reply to: [5]Re: light bulbs posted by Julio Perez on March 07,
1997 at 14:05:00:
ISN'T IT WILD HOW MUCH CHIT CHAT THIS INNOCENT SUBJECT HAS ENGENDERED?
R-1 thru R-9 (Virtually identical to the untrained eye) all had bare
bulbs, but don't forget ALL BMT and IRT pre 1940 cars did too! And
that at least R-10 cars, and perhaps even later models had
incandescent EMERGENCY lighting, which is where the left-handed
threads were utilized.
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Posted by Lefty on April 21, 1997 at 15:58:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by John on April
21, 1997 at 13:38:09:
are the new trains gonna have the bench type seats like on the red
trains or the individual shitty seats like on the other trains..
personally i like the benches the best, because then fat people arent
taking up more than one seat, cuz you cant actaulyl tell how much one
seat is!
Lefty
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 21, 1997 at 16:12:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Lefty on
April 21, 1997 at 15:58:44:
I think with some minor cosmetic changes, and those way cool strap
thingies, a red paintjob would look WAY cool. Esp. if they do the
interior like the 7 stock is now.....
Maybe we should start a campaign to get the T/A to paint 'em red???
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 21, 1997 at 16:16:40:
In Reply to: [6]New Running Lights on the LIRR posted by Steve on
April 20, 1997 at 21:07:31:
Oh, they sure are doing it. Personally, I think the new lights are the
grossest looking things on the planet. It kills whatever good looks
the front ends of those cars had. BTW, I've noticed that now some MN
and LIRR diesels have *blinking* lights on them??? I sure hope they
don't go into the disco strobe thing that Slamtrak does, as I think
it's both A) stupid looking and B) I doubt it does much for safety
anyway...
Oh yeah, anybody got any news on the new LIRR diesels??? I thought
they were supposed to be popping up with douible deckers by now...
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Posted by Philip I'd better shut up before I get K-lined Nasadowski
In Reply to: [6]Re: I GOT STUCK IN THE TRAIN!!! posted by David
Steckler on April 21, 1997 at 15:06:12:
He He... Sure does sound like fun...especially if nobody's around and
you can get hold of a brake handle and.........
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Posted by William Brooks on April 21, 1997 at 16:22:10:
As part of a comprehensive plan for the Clinton Area, we are proposing
a new subway line along either 10th or 11th Avenues, extending south
from the West Side through Clinton & Chelsea, and ending in Greenwich
Village. We would appreciate information on the cost, per mile, of new
subway construction in Manhattan today; also comments on feasibility
of such construction, etc.
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Posted by Lefty on April 21, 1997 at 16:28:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: weird subway incidents posted by John on April 20,
1997 at 22:20:28:
i saws a guy take a dump in between cars on the 1 train.. pretty
nasty.. saw a guy takinga shit on the curb outside penn station too..
Lefty
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on April 21, 1997 at 16:31:46:
In Reply to: [6]New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by William
Brooks on April 21, 1997 at 16:22:10:
I have just one thing to say to you: 2nd Ave. There are tunnel
portions sitting in Chinatown and Harlem awaiting usgae from a subway
line that will most likely never be built. Good luck though.
JC
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 21, 1997 at 16:39:45:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 21, 1997 at 16:12:10:
Start a campaign......good idea! We could call it "Paint them red" or
"Redbirds forever" .
I'm not kidding,I'm serious I think we should start a campaign.
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Posted by Jim on April 21, 1997 at 17:08:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I GOT STUCK IN THE TRAIN!!! posted by Philip I'd
better shut up before I get K-lined Nasadowski on April 21, 1997 at
16:21:48:
The odds of getting stuck on a train going to the yard are very slim.
Before the train is layed up, the crew is supposed to check each car.
Once in the yard, the train operator (motorman) is required to walk
from the block end, to the head-out end to set the hand brakes. This
way he/she must walk through every car.
However, sometimes due to circumstances, this does not always occur.
In those cases, I can offer 2 bits of advice. First: Do not go to the
yard on a 75' car (R-44, 46, 68 or 68A). The end doors on those cars
are locked and so are the swing panels protecting the door operators.
Second: If you do manage to get out of the train, DON'T. Call for help
! Blow the whistle/horn! All yards are very dangerous places where
moving trains and 600 volt 3rd rails will bite at any opportunity.
Most trains come to the yard for a reason, either for repair, so cars
can be drilled out, cleaning, etc. They are rarely left unattended for
long!
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Posted by Steve on April 21, 1997 at 17:13:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Bryan Layne
on April 21, 1997 at 16:39:45:
Sorry guys, Stainless Steel it shall be. Perhaps you could get red
safety stripes on the bonnets but that's it.
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Posted by Steve on March 07, 1997 at 19:50:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old Subway Items For Sale? posted by Julio Perez
on March 07, 1997 at 14:07:51:
37.5 volts is our nominal control voltage and is, of course, DC. The
3rd rail voltage is 600volts DC (nominal) but can vary significantly.
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Posted by Steve on April 21, 1997 at 17:19:55:
In Reply to: [6]Re: wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by JOHN
on April 20, 1997 at 22:01:43:
Logically speaking, with 740 cars coming on line, I'd imagine that the
R28s and 29s might go first. The R-33 Corona cars (non-Air
Conditioned) would be among the first to go. I suppose that some of
the R-36s might survive through the first order. Then again, no cars
will be de-commissioned until the R-142s start getting through the
acceptance phase. From experience, this could be a lengthy process.
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Posted by Steve on April 21, 1997 at 17:30:41:
In Reply to: [6]New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by William
Brooks on April 21, 1997 at 16:22:10:
Good luck !! Considering the time required to do engineering studies,
environmental impact studies and feasibility studies, it'd be a
minimum of 10 years before the first shovel of dirt was lifted. Then
if special interest groups don't tie you up in court because the route
does not serve them as well as other special interest groups, you are
looking at 5 - 10 years of construction.
Oh yes, the cost, most likely $50 - $100 million per mile.
Why not be practical. An LRV would be easier to fund and get approval
for. There are already plans for such a system from 42nd St and the
East River,
across 42nd St to 11th Ave and then south to the convention center. It
would be far easier to get that proposal modified to include
extensions to Chelsea, Soho, and Tribecca.
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Posted by Jim on April 21, 1997 at 17:38:02:
In Reply to: [6]Re: weird subway incidents posted by John on April 20,
1997 at 22:14:52:
Every delay to service is documented by two letters (memos). One is
from the division of car equipment and one is from RTO (Rapid Transit
Operations). The reports are sent out verrbally over a system called
the 'Six-Wire' and over the computer system to every maintenance shop
loctaion. I read both accounts and can assure you the incident
actually did occur on the J line about in 1992 or 1993. (Neither
person was killed although the man was more severely hurt than was his
'lady' friend)
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Posted by Steve on April 21, 1997 at 17:43:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Why no express on N,R trains? posted by John on
April 20, 1997 at 22:26:24:
At one time, the normal route for the N train was on the north side of
the bridge into Canal street. In the late 60s, the Chrystie St.
connection was made through Grand St. to the 6th Ave line. At that
time the tracks from the north side of the bridge to the B'Way line,
through Canal Street were removed.
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Posted by Steve on April 21, 1997 at 17:47:50:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by John on April 21,
1997 at 13:46:17:
I have not heard anything about a 'V' train, anywhere except here.
What I have heard is that the current plan calls for the extension of
the 'Q' train to Continental Ave and the R train will be extended to
179th St. If someone has heard otherwise, I'd nbe most interested in
their source.
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Posted by Steve on April 21, 1997 at 17:55:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by John on April 20, 1997 at 22:35:46:
I cannot recall any cars having ever been 'sold' to any other
properties. I have heard rumors that at one time some IRT equipment
was sold to PATH but I do not know how reliable this information was.
I can only recall just 1 instance where subway cars from NYCT were
transferred to another system. In the late 80s, 12 R-44s were
transferred to the SIRT. These cars were odd-balls anyway with R-46
type propulsion and braking.
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Posted by Steve on April 21, 1997 at 18:01:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on April 20, 1997
at 23:02:22:
The date a car is no longer used in service and the date it is
de-commissioned (scrapped) may be several years apart. The R-16
flat-bottoms were removed from service and a year later, some were
returned to service for a short period. This is not unusual.
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Posted by Paul Polischuk on April 21, 1997 at 18:08:54:
In Reply to: [6]I GOT STUCK IN THE TRAIN!!! posted by John Ohanian on
April 20, 1997 at 23:04:49:
Being stuck in the yard is no pleasure trip. You will be escorted by
the tranist police and driven to the nearest police station for
processing. After processing and if you don't have a criminal record,
they let you off with a warning. But they will have your name on
record in case this situation occurs again. If it does, you will be
charged with trespassing which carries a fine and time served. I know,
this happened to me a few years ago at the Coney Island yard.
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on April 21, 1997 at 20:06:09:
In Reply to: [6]Philly Trains posted by Ben on April 19, 1997 at
19:32:46:
I belive Erie is a double deck station. I know it used to be a
large trolley transfer point. The lower station[DEL: are still used
on fan trips. The Broad st line does branch off to Chinatown but I
think it is closer to Center City
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Posted by Zack on April 21, 1997 at 20:40:51:
In Reply to: [6]Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Bryan Layne on
April 20, 1997 at 22:07:30:
cancel the r-142!!!!! rebuild the REDBIRDS it would save money too.
or make the 142's 143's? look like the r-30,32,38(painted red of
course)
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Posted by M.JONES on March 08, 1997 at 00:36:39:
Pretty Non existant, with only three underground stations.
There are however, about 200 above gound ones. Has been
cleaned up, and had a makeover recently
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Posted by Zack on April 21, 1997 at 21:42:43:
what happens when a subway car is scrapped? does someone inspect it
before or do they just haul it away? what would happen if you were in
a car to be scrapped?
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POSTER>Peter Gray
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Posted by Peter Gray on April 21, 1997 at 21:44:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Andrew Huie on April 17,
1997 at 21:30:36:
I did some additional checking & found the King & Queen of England
story was wrong...
But, as you said, SIRT still has an interesting history.
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Posted by Jim on April 21, 1997 at 22:13:36:
In Reply to: [6]subway car srapping posted by Zack on April 21, 1997
at 21:42:43:
Usually, before a car is scrapped, it's transferred to a yard for
shipment (like the 38th St. yard in Bklyn. The cars are (at least the
ones I've seen) pretty well stripped of useable parts. Most of the
glass has been broken. In the care of the R-27/30s, the controllers
and brake valves were recovered from most of the cars. Then it is up
to the purchaser to arrange to have them transported.
If you were in a car that was scrapped, what would likely happen? Well
you'd probably be told to get out !!!
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Posted by Jim on April 21, 1997 at 22:14:54:
In Reply to: [6]subway car srapping posted by Zack on April 21, 1997
at 21:42:43:
Usually, before a car is scrapped, it's transferred to a yard for
shipment, like the 38th St. yard in Bklyn. The cars are (at least the
ones I've seen) pretty well stripped of useable parts. Most of the
glass has been broken. In the case of the R-27/30s, the controllers
and brake valves were recovered from most of the cars. Then it is up
to the purchaser to arrange to have them transported.
If you were in a car that was scrapped, what would likely happen? Well
you'd probably be told to get out !!!
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Posted by John on April 22, 1997 at 10:27:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Zack on April
21, 1997 at 20:40:51:
That's a very good idea! At the car show at the Javits Center, I saw a
concept car that had a vintage design. If they can do that with an
automobile, why can't they do it with a subway train? The train would
be modern, but the design would be old. PERFECT!!
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Posted by John on April 22, 1997 at 10:33:37:
In Reply to: [5]salutations from PARIS. posted by EMMANUEL VIVET on
April 12, 1997 at 21:17:02:
The person who drives a subway train in New York is the motorman. If
you want to speak with one, you might be able to catch him between
runs at a terminal station (the subway map, of course, will indicate
the terminals for each subway line).
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Posted by John on April 22, 1997 at 10:36:16:
In Reply to: [5]IRT Yard Fleet Assignment Colors posted by Steve on
April 08, 1997 at 09:31:30:
Is what you're referring to those colored bars near the car numbers on
the side of the subway trains?
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on April 22, 1997 at 14:56:13:
Before the TA ever recieved the R-46 car number 816 was sent to
Caracas by Pullman in hopes of winning that cities contract for
rolling stock for their new subway. Luckly for Caracas, they did not
give the contract to Pullman (the R-46 was the car where the TA
brought suit against Pullman to have them pay for the replacment of
the defective trucks the cars came with)
But I think that leasing of rolling stock is an accepted practice
among railroads, doesn't Metro-North run with some cars from Virginia?
For the TA to rehab old cars and lease them out could make alot of
sense. And for BMT-IND cars, the interiors could be re-done, with RR
style seating, to make the cars suitable for leasing by commuter
railroads as wel as by other subway systems.
Josh
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Posted by Emily Michaud on March 08, 1997 at 13:28:10:
Am working on a case study of above and would greatly appreciate it if
anyone could point me in the direction of studies, news items,
anything about proposed/long hoped-for subway line.
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Posted by Amy on April 22, 1997 at 16:06:06:
In Reply to: [5]wouldnt it be cool if............ posted by Lefty on
April 19, 1997 at 11:58:58:
Oh Cool! That would be really neat if artists were allowed to paint
murals and messages on subway cars. More power to you!
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Posted by James on April 22, 1997 at 16:06:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NR LIne posted by Jim on April 20, 1997 at
15:45:59:
That's exactly why the TA keeps running with a budget deficit. 16
dollars for sweeping the floors!!?? Who needs a masters degree then!
heh heh
seriously, the idea sounds great although I also agree with jim that
the unions will raise hell if that idea ever comes to fruitation.
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POSTER>Philip Nasadowski
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 22, 1997 at 16:39:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by John on April
22, 1997 at 10:27:43:
Hey - I think it's a cool idea too, might even grab the MTA some
attention - I say they copy the R 15 design - round windows and all.
Gotta also have the hanging straps too....
The trouble is that the MTA is stuck in this damm "future" attitude
that has resulted in the R 40, the Metrocard, and those new turnstiles
which are a pain in the ass to get through if your fat or carring a
lot of packages.
Personally, I'd LOVE to see more Redbirds, a commitment to tokens, and
better turnstiles....
Of course, it'll never happen....
On a more ironic note - the Amtrak section of Penn station has lots of
hanging photos of the old station in it......
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Posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 16:57:20:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Joshua Caesar on April 22, 1997 at 14:56:13:
I don't knoow where your information comes from but I wish you'd give
the source. Some of your facts are incorrect.
First: R-46 car #816 is still in service. It was overhauled in 1990
and renumbered in 1992 but I assure you it still is in service. It,
perhaps was used as a demo model before delivery but it has only left
the property once.
That was when it was shipped to Morrison-Knudsen in 1990 for overhaul.
There are only 2 R-46 cars of the original 754 which are no longer in
service. Cars 1054 and 941 were heavily damaged in a mishap in 1986
and scrapped in 1991.
Second: The TA did not sue Pullman Standard, the builder of the R-46.
The TA successfully sued Rockwell International, the builder of the
original (Air-bag suspension) trucks. They were replaced by Buckeye
Steel trucks in the early 80s.
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Posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 17:07:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: IRT Yard Fleet Assignment Colors posted by John on
April 22, 1997 at 10:36:16:
Yes, but this applies ONLY to the IRT. The B division keeps track of
which cars belong where by car number.
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on April 22, 1997 at 17:26:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 16:57:20:
I stated that before car number 816 was recieved by the TA, it was
sent to Caracas as a demo. Which, according to the book I am reading,
it was. As for it ever leaving the property after the TA recieved it,
I never said anything of the sort. As to the MTA sueing Rockwell
International, not Pullman Standard, I am sorry, I trusted the book
again. According to it, the TA sued both Pullman Standard and Rockwell
International, but I didn't look deeply into it. No matter who they
sued, Caracas is lucky that they didn't start their system of with a
batch of defective trucks under their rolling stock. I am getting my
information on this matter from Cudahy's Under the Sidewalks of New
York, and I am sorry for any confusion my post may have caused for
anybody.
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POSTER>Bob Andersen
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Posted by Bob Andersen on April 22, 1997 at 18:18:50:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Andrew Huie
on April 16, 1997 at 22:43:46:
I met the author of the book you mention, "Steel Rails to the
Sunrise", Ron Zeil, at a model train and toy show a few months ago. I
bought a personally autographed copy for 60 Bucks. For a railfan like
me, it was well worth the money. I particularly enjoy the several maps
throughout the book which show the extent of the LIRR at various
stages in its history. There is also a composite map showing the dates
of construction and abandonment of every branch of the LIRR ever
existing.
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Posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 18:24:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: I GOT STUCK IN THE TRAIN!!! posted by Paul
Polischuk on April 21, 1997 at 18:08:54:
That's surprising to hear although that is the letter of the law. All
of the incidents I am aware of, the train was sent back to the
terminal with the 'passenger'.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 22, 1997 at 20:13:38:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Joshua Caesar on April 22, 1997 at 14:56:13:
Joshua, that is interesting that you mentioned the leasing of stock to
other systems---It seems to me that I recall seeing that done with
buses back in the late 70's or early 80's (I don't remember exactly)
It seems to me that New York got a batch of GM buses that were
defective and that MANY broke down at relatively the same time leaving
New York without enough buses to run the routes---In a desperate
attempt to maintain order, The Washington Metropolitan Transit
Authority sent a good many buses to help fill in the gap for New
York---I'm sur the WMATA didn't do it out of charity, they're as
desparate for a dollar as are other transit agencies.
If anybody has any details in order to help clear my memory--please
post.
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POSTER>Mark Greenwald
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 22, 1997 at 20:27:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old systems vs. New posted by JOHN on April 18,
1997 at 21:49:37:
John, cool your jets my friend---no offense intended---It's like you
said, it is old BUT it does get the job done--whta I was wondering is
that even with proper maintenance, even with age, doesn't it over
time, become a safety issue? I NEVER said the New York subway system
is bad---in fact--no system in the world can compare---No where can so
many people be moved so fast so, so far, and for pennies on the dollar
what it would take for them to drive themselves or, heaven forbid, pay
for a taxi. I love the New York system, it is its own world separate
from the city that surrounds it. New York wouldn't be New York without
it. Don't be offended, the other cities can learn from the NY
system--both its failures and successes---and I might say, it is great
to see money going back into the system to cleann it up and rehab the
rolling stock and stations.
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Posted by Augie JAKosz on March 08, 1997 at 13:42:03:
Who rides the "L"
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Posted by Tim on April 22, 1997 at 21:28:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Running Lights on the LIRR posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 21, 1997 at 16:16:40:
I saw one of the brand new diesels and double decker cars at Jamaica
Station during rushour in early March. It was gorgeous - silver with a
red and blue paint scheme - seemed very patriotic and sharp..would
have loved to have jumped on it!
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Posted by Zack on April 22, 1997 at 21:43:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-142 Mock-Up posted by Julio Perez on April 07,
1997 at 07:55:12:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 21:49:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Mark Greenwald on April 22, 1997 at 20:13:38:
I think that you are correct about the ddefective busses but I'm
pretty sure that the busses you are referring to were the Grumman
Flexibles. TA President David Gunn got rid of over 400 of the busses.
Oddly enough, other NYC bus companies (Green, Jamaica and Steinway)
did not have the same problems.
As for leasing, many of the city busses are leased to the city by
other agencies such as the Port Authority. Also NYCT also leases a
number of the R-62s, R-68s and I believe R-68As.
The city also 'lent' to Atlanta, somewhere in vicinity of 100 brand
new busses, for the olympics. Those busses are now in service in NYC.
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Posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 21:53:29:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Running Lights on the LIRR posted by Tim on
April 22, 1997 at 21:28:02:
Actually, what you saw was the prototype train which has been in
service (more or less) since 1993. It's the 5:49 PM from Penn Station
to Port Jefferson, which leaves Jamaica at 5:11 PM. It's made up of
ten Bi-levels, 5 married pairs, sandwhiched between two FL-9ACs.
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Posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 21:55:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Running Lights on the LIRR posted by Tim on
April 22, 1997 at 21:28:02:
Actually, what you saw was the prototype train which has been in
service (more or less) since 1993. It's the 4:49 PM from Penn Station
to Port Jefferson, which leaves Jamaica at 5:11 PM. It's made up of
ten Bi-levels, 5 married pairs, sandwhiched between two FL-9ACs.
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Posted by zack on April 23, 1997 at 00:42:18:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Steve on April 22, 1997 at 21:49:13:
the buses you are reffering to are flexible metros-not flexible
fishbowls
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Posted by Blaise Dupuy on April 23, 1997 at 09:06:57:
In Reply to: [6]New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by William
Brooks on April 21, 1997 at 16:22:10:
The most cost effective way to add service along the west side would
be to use the old New York Central line right of way. It runs
underground west of eleventh avenue from the old penn yards (Trump's
Lincoln West) to the convention center and then along an elevated line
west of tenth ave. into the west village. The underground right of way
is now being used by Amtrak to bring trains from Albany into Penn
Station, but this is 4 tracks wide so it could support 'local'
service. The elevated right of way has been abandonded since the
eighties but I believe is owned by a rail fan who bought it from
Conrail in order to preserve it for future use.
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on April 23, 1997 at 09:48:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by zack on April 23, 1997 at 00:42:18:
I agree with the post about the flixables. The buses were from Wash DC
and had been mothballed for future transit emergencys .
I think they were on loan by the Federal Govt request as they pay a
large
portion of the expenses to keep the buses in reserve. I know several
transit systems did join in this program COTA for one. I have not
heard
anything about this program since the New York loan. It does make a
lot of
sense to keep the old buses in reserve, so it proably has been
cancled.
BTW if my memory is correct very few of the buses did break down on
the trip to
NYC from Wash DC, which is good considering how long the may have been
sitting.
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Posted by John on April 23, 1997 at 10:57:20:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 22, 1997 at 16:39:33:
That's another thing that I miss - the turnstiles. I miss the ones
that rotated horizontally and even the older version of the current
one, but I hate the current one. It's too modern and that beeping
drives me crazy! Can you imagine standing on a platform waiting for
the train while the friggin' turnstiles keep beeping?
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Posted by Antoniette Scarpinato on April 23, 1997 at 11:39:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by Wayne Johnson on April 10, 1997
at 12:48:33:
With all the talk about the proposed freight tunnel from Jersey to
Brooklyn, wouldn't it be better to emerge a tunnel from the Bay Ridge
Branch LIRR, into the extant but abandoned South Beach right of way of
the SIRT, the line could continue down the North Shore branch, the
rivival of which is supposedly being done now. Just a little planning
like double decking the tunnel, three or four tracking the rights of
way. electrifying a third rail, and you could have the bonus of
passenger service. This could be done as current SIRT or lite rail,
like the New Orleans Riverfront line which shares tracks with freight
service...comments?
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Posted by Augie Jakosz on March 08, 1997 at 13:46:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Express Subways posted by Ronald Kluger on March
04, 1997 at 17:45:18:
I think that express lines are great, lots of people here
in Chicago ride the Evanston Express "L"
during rush hours, but it only operates during
weekday rush hours, at all other times the local
must be ridden. I think express trains are GREAT!
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Posted by Tony DeSantis on April 23, 1997 at 13:02:30:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philly Trains posted by FRED WELLMAN on April 21,
1997 at 20:06:09:
The spur tracks north of Erie are used as a turnaround for the
Erie-8th&Market local trains during rush hours.
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Posted by Andy Dunleavy on April 23, 1997 at 13:09:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T. posted by Peter Gray on April 17, 1997 at
01:30:29:
The North Shore freight line brought coal to the Atrhur Kill
generating plant of Con Edison until the early 1980s until
coal was replaced with oil that was delivered by barge to the
plant. The plant is currently out of service but the property
still has a track running to it.
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Posted by Tony DeSantis on April 23, 1997 at 13:26:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Philip I wish this 64 meg DIMM would work dammit
Nasadowski on April 14, 1997 at 11:56:36:
I would like to see the Route 3 extended into the Bronx and then run
along the Metro-North line to the Zoo. This would take some pressure
off the D and 4 routes.
I have heard talk of extending the Route 7 to the Javits Center. I
would suggest a further extension to the New York Central Elevated
Line, station would be at 28th, 23rd and 18th. Then the line would
descend into a tunnel at 14th, where it would turn into the Canarsie
line. I would designate it the "L" because it runs as an elevated in
the three boroughs it serves.
I would also like to see Rockaway line given back to the LIRR via Rego
Park. In exchange, I'd extend the Flushing Line almost to Nassau
County and cancel the Port Washington Line. In that case, I'd
relocated most of the Flushing Line to the LIRR ROW and tear down the
el.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 23, 1997 at 15:22:40:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by John on April
23, 1997 at 10:57:20:
Oh yeah, that beep drives me nuts too... and that stupid display -
does the T/A REALLY need to invest in a 2 line flourescent display
JUST to flash "go" and the number of trips you have left???
But I think the old ones got ditched because they were a bit easy to
jump.....
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 23, 1997 at 18:53:10:
In Reply to: [6]New Posts posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 17, 1997 at
10:32:42:
Yes, but I have to code it myself. The Wwwboard doesn't come with an
archiving function-- just deleting.
Look for it this week.
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 23, 1997 at 18:55:39:
In Reply to: [6]Hudson-Bergen Light Rail Transit System posted by Ted
Nielsen on April 16, 1997 at 16:03:10:
Putting it anywhere but along or near Washington Street is a mistake,
IMHO. In order for people to USE it, it has to be where people already
want to be. I might even go so far as to suggest closing Washington to
traffic, and making it LRT only, or maybe LRT+bus, or one way car
traffic, two way LRT. Putting it on the west side is not going to do
anything to alleviate Hoboken's transit problems.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 23, 1997 at 20:11:26:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T./revival of north shore/south beach
branches posted by Antoniette Scarpinato on April 23, 1997 at
11:39:44:
I think that's a completely sensible idea ... which is precisely why
it'll never get done :-(
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Posted by Zack on April 23, 1997 at 20:35:40:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by Blaise
Dupuy on April 23, 1997 at 09:06:57:
that would be a good idea amtradkcould use the inner traks and the
subway the outer.
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Posted by Zack on April 23, 1997 at 20:36:48:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by Blaise
Dupuy on April 23, 1997 at 09:06:57:
that would be a good idea amtrak could use the inner traks and the
subway the outer.
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Posted by John on April 23, 1997 at 21:26:34:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by Zack on
April 23, 1997 at 20:35:40:
Not a bad idea, but where would the subway operate to? From where?
Could it be connected to another subway line to provide thru service
to another destination.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on March 08, 1997 at 20:07:15:
In Reply to: [6]Re: "Miss Subways" Advertising Campaign posted by Gary
Jacobi on March 06, 1997 at 17:27:24:
Well, I for one, was still swimming around in my dad and
simultaneously floating around in my mom back then, but I do remember
reading about something like this in a book once...
Also, since we're on the topic, didn't the LIRR have fashion shows on
their trains at one point, I seems to remember reading about that
too..
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Posted by John on April 23, 1997 at 21:29:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 23, 1997 at 15:22:40:
True. The new design might be some deterrant to turnstile-jumpers, but
they could still jump it if they really wanted to.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 23, 1997 at 21:33:37:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by zack on April 23, 1997 at 00:42:18:
And "Flexible" they were!!! As I recall, the Grumman ones were known
for strtctural problems - I still remember the story my Aunt told me
about the one she was on that actually started to *sag* something
major due to the weight of the people on it.....
Didn't D.C. have a simmalar problem with their ROHR rolling stock when
it first came out???
And oh yeah - while we're on it - ROHR built the Bart too - reading
some 70 vintage material in my library, it stated that the Bart uses
as wider than normal gauge + a 1Kv third rail - anyone know if this is
true???
Frankly, I can't see how Rohr stays in business.. a professor I know
told me that when he was at P&W, the Rohr built engine parts were
shear crap...
Oh yeah - didn't Budd die off a while back???
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Posted by steve lowenthal on April 23, 1997 at 23:02:13:
In Reply to: [6]Re: urban transit club nyc posted by Mark Feinman on
April 17, 1997 at 13:09:34:
i am still looking to contact them via phone or via
mail thanks for your help 0
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Posted by Tim on April 23, 1997 at 23:42:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New Running Lights on the LIRR posted by Tim on
April 22, 1997 at 21:28:02:
Well it was still cool!
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 24, 1997 at 08:59:19:
Looking at the rosters, I saw there was no picture of the R110A
available. But, I saw pictures of what _might_ be the 110A. Since I
haven't been to NYC in quite a while, I wanted to confirm whether they
were indeed R110As.
On the "Behind the Scenes Photo Gallery of the Department of Subways,"
at http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/Subway/subphoto.htm, there are a
series of photos. The second picture on the third row of pictures
contains what appears to be a subway car being hoisted by a crane. Is
that an R110A?
On the "Subway Schedule Information" page of the TA,
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/Subway/subsch.htm, there is a photo at
the top of the page. Is the unit at the left of the photo an R110A?
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 24, 1997 at 10:19:01:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 23, 1997 at 21:33:37:
Yup,
Third rale propulsion power is 1000-volt DC electricity on the BART
Propulsion - one 150-HP motor per axle, four motors per car.
Features - aluminum body, 72 seats, carpeted, air-conditiooned, tinted
windows
Car - 70' long, 10'6" high, 10'6" wide, headroom 6'9"
Track gauge - 5'6" wide for staability (standard: 4'8")
Speed - 80 MPH maximum, 39 MPH average, including 20-second station
stops.
I was fortunate enough to have relatives near the South Hayward who
contacted BART and sent me a boat load of info.
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Posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at 13:25:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Joshua Caesar on April 22, 1997 at 14:56:13:
The MTA sued against Rockwell International and not Pullman Standard.
To me it seems that Rockwell is an incompetent manufacturer, they also
produce shitty modems and water meters.
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Posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at 13:46:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 22, 1997 at 16:39:33:
I don't understand why all of you people think that the past was "the
good old days" and I LIKE THE METROCARD AND STAINLESS STEEL TRAINS.
and let's not forget that the cars of the 50's and 60's all looked
like crap as opposed to their predecessors/succesors. Although some
people are genetically obese, most fat people just eat too much and I
don't feel sorry for them.
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Posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at 13:52:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Lefty on
April 21, 1997 at 15:58:44:
I remember last friday there were 3 people sitting on the bench, one
sat near the edge with space for 1/2 a person between him and the
edge, person #3 sat with another 1/2 person space between herself and
a 4th person. Normally I don't care, but that day my feet truly hurted
and I had to sit down, if we had those comfy buckets I could of had my
seat. I only want benches if they are vinyl like all the older-now
scrapped cars.
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POSTER>Gerry O'Regan
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 24, 1997 at 13:59:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 23, 1997 at 21:33:37:
Does anyone remember the American Motors Busses from the 70's. When
the kids in Boston kicked open the emergency exit windows as they
often did, the body would sag so much that the window would not close.
The entire fleet of 1976 busses was gone by 1986, some being leased to
other carriers before being junked. Many sat in the dead line at
Everett longer than they ran in service. Compare that to 1966
fishbowls which were finally retired in 1996!
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POSTER>philip nasadowski
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Posted by philip nasadowski on March 08, 1997 at 20:09:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Old Subway Items For Sale? posted by Steve on
March 07, 1997 at 19:50:15:
Is everything on subways D.C., or do you have motor-genmerator sets
like the LIRR has on the M-1s?
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Posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at 14:14:00:
In 1903 the MRW leased it's el lines to the IRT for 999 years. in 1940
the IRT was purchased by the NYC Board of Transportation (presently
department of...) in 1953 the subway/bus/trolley properties were
leased to the NYCTA. My question is what happened to the Manhattan
Railway Company?
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Posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at 14:34:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-142 Mock-Up posted by Zack on April 22, 1997 at
21:43:57:
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
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Posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at 14:39:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Steve on April 21,
1997 at 18:01:29:
when were the R-16s removed from service and returned to it again?
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Posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at 14:57:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by JOHN
on April 18, 1997 at 21:15:44:
Come to think of it, that station looked like one of the IND elevated
stations (there were only 2, 3 if you count the World's Fair).
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POSTER>Brooks
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Posted by Brooks on April 24, 1997 at 15:16:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by John on
April 23, 1997 at 21:26:34:
We thought the new line would branch off of the existing 1,3,9 line at
72nd Street, go south through Clinton, Chelsea, and Greenwich Village,
there to join back up with the 1,3,9. There are obviously political
problems with building a new subway through any of these
neighborhoods. But the "not in my backyard" syndrome has been overcome
before.
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POSTER>Philip I ate a gallon of ice cream and now I can't fit
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Posted by Philip I ate a gallon of ice cream and now I can't fit
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by MJS on April
24, 1997 at 13:46:58:
I'm not saying the past was better times (in fact, I think the AC
invert control is something long overdue), I'm just saying that the R
62s look like crap. Actually, I've seen pictures of the R15s, and
think they're just about the best looking ones the system ever had (uh
oh...here we go.....) I think the "Brightliners" (R 3???) are stupid
looking...
The Metrocard wrould be a GREAT thing if it were implemented like
D.C.'s farecards (sans the bizzare fare structure). Whatever money
they would have saved by getting rid of the mech the prints how many
trips are left, they've wasted by putting up these "check your
remaining balence here" stands. Also, why don't they just get a bank
of vending machines and get rid of the token booths??? replace them
with cops...
Oh yeah, most fat people DO eat too much and won't admit it, but some
people who are just LARGER (NOT fat) can't fit through those new
turnstiles...
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Posted by Tom Van Etten on April 24, 1997 at 18:49:17:
I would like information pertaining to a short story in an old Pulp
Fiction collection of short stories. The
P.F. is about an inch and a half thick. The story takes place in New
York City on the #7 train from Times
Square heading to the last stop at Main Street, Flushing. The
characters realize that as they are
progressing from station to station that they are getting younger by
the minute. Doing some quick math
they determine that they will not exist at the time the train arrives
at Main Street, and that no one would
even miss them or know that they ever existed. If I remember
correctly, all ends well and all live happily
ever after when as the train pulls in to the Willets Point station and
an old disembodied pirate whose ship
sank many decades ago in Flushing Bay becomes reunited. ( I may be
creating my own fiction here, but as
they safely arrive in Flushing they realize that nobody will believe
their story.) If anyone can help with
author, title or even date when published or any feedback I would be
greatly appreciative.
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POSTER>Joshua Caesar
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Posted by Joshua Caesar on April 24, 1997 at 20:34:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by Brooks
on April 24, 1997 at 15:16:32:
Maybe the subway line could go up the line with Amtrak until Spuyten
Duyvil, and then turn and follow Metro North till Yankee Stadium. From
there a tie in could be made to the subway, or the line could be
terminated at Yankee Stdium, with free transfers to the 4, C, D, and
have a subway tie-in in Manhattan. I saw the ideato have a train
running from Penn Station -> Spuyten Duyvil -> Yankee Stadium on
somones website, I will post the URL when i remember it.
JC
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 24, 1997 at 20:49:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Tony DeSantis on April 23, 1997 at 13:26:33:
The D and 4 are overcrowded? I thought the opposite was closer to the
truth -- the two lines are creating too much redundancy for that area.
I've heard that the MTA would love to drop the elevated portion of the
4, if it didn't need the yard at Jerome Avenue.
The LIRR going back to the Rockaways? Interesting idea, but first
clean up a lot of those neighborhoods in the area! Plus, a lot of
people might not like the more expensive LIRR replacing the TA, even
if it is faster.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 24, 1997 at 21:04:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 22, 1997 at 16:39:33:
Trouble is, the stainless steel cars, narrow turnstiles, and such are
the results of a small bunch of irresponsible people who have nothing
better to do than to deface the subway, or too cheap to pay for a
token. That would make the TA less willing to try anything interesting
or convenient, because law-breakers might take advantage of it.
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Posted by Bobby Steels on February 27, 1997 at 22:22:23:
does anyone know the answer to this question? i was told
that in New York subway systems, they had a problem
with light bulb theft, so they altered the design
of the lights to prevent this. how did they do it
without moving the lights higher or putting screens
over them? i was told it was a real story, and if any
one knows the answer, can you please please email me?
cdnppp@cdngate.cdn.ca? thanks
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Posted by Peter Rosa on March 08, 1997 at 20:14:46:
In Reply to: [6]NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by David M. Razler
on March 03, 1997 at 13:21:31:
One interesting abandoned station is Woodside, located underground on
the line into Flatbush Avenue. It was abandoned around 20 - 25 years
ago due to low ridership, even thought it wasn't particularly old.
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Posted by Steve on April 24, 1997 at 21:28:09:
In Reply to: [6]R110A Pictures Elsewhere posted by Julio Perez on
April 24, 1997 at 08:59:19:
The second photo you mentioned is of the R-110A on the left, the
R-110B on the right and a Low V on the lower track. The Photo was
taken at Hammels Wye which is where Rockaway-bound trains head either
to the west to Rockaway park or to the east to Far Rockaway.
I could not be sure as to what the first photo was. The was stainless
steel and had pantograph gates. Since the newer B division cars do not
use pantograph gates, and the R-62As came from Canada I'd guess that
the photo was of a 62 being delivered from Japan. Of course it could
also be an R-127 or R-134.
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Posted by Jim on April 24, 1997 at 21:44:50:
It's beginning to look like the contract worth $2 Billion for 740
R-142 cars will go to.....
[ ] Kawasaki Heavy Industries (Japan) (Builder or the R-62 and R-68A)
[ ] Bombardier (Canada) (Builder of the R-62As)
[X] Westinghouse Amrail (France) (Builder of the R-68s)
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Posted by Pete on April 24, 1997 at 21:50:57:
In Reply to: [5]New cars for PATH? posted by Bryan Layne on April 20,
1997 at 16:59:43:
PATH has plans for completely rebuilding the existing 1972 PA3 and
1987 PA4 fleets in the VERY near future. These cars will be
re-equipped with AC propulsion, Automatic Train Operation, full width
cabs, provision for regerative brakes, and all the latest bells and
whistles. After these cars are placed in service a new fleet of PA5
cars will then be ordered to replace the existing 1965-67 PA1 and PA2
fleets, which will be scrapped. The PA5s will be similar to the
rebuilt PA3/PA4 fleets.
At the same time, PATH will install a new state-of-the-art Automatic
Train Operation System to completely replace the existing color
light/trip stop system. The first phase of this new system will be
between Journal Square and Newark. The remainder of the system will be
replaced under a second phase, immediately thereafter. Work should be
completed by 2004.
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Posted by Jay Yudof on April 24, 1997 at 22:41:57:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philly Trains posted by Tony DeSantis on April 23,
1997 at 13:02:30:
In addition to the turnaround for the Erie-8th & Market service (which
I believe was even higher in traffic before the recent introduction of
express track service between Erie and Olney), this was designed as
the takeoff for the Northeast Phila extension of the Broaad St.
Subway. This was on the city plans from as early as the
nineteen-teens, and was planned to run in the Roosevelt Boulevard
median up to Adams avenue, then up the median of the planned
?Northeast Boulevard pretty far up. Locals will note the obvious
right-of-way of Northeast Boulevard (high-tension wires), and also may
recall that when the parking lot was constructed for the (now gone)
Sears, Roebuck flagship in the early '70s, a station was built under
the parking lot, since subway construction was seen as imminent and
the disruption of lot traffic was to be avoided. There has been
extensive back-and-forth on this subway line (the Market-Frankford
obviously being grossly overloaded in service to the NE). Much of the
debate has always focused on the NE carriage trade not wanting to
travel into town via the urban neighborrhoods of NE Phila.
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POSTER>Jay Yudof
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Posted by Jay Yudof on April 24, 1997 at 23:23:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three posted by MJS
on April 13, 1997 at 18:56:05:
Was Carlito's way the movie that had the Broadway Limited leaving out
of Grand Central? (talk about cinematic license)
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POSTER>Dan
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Posted by Dan on April 25, 1997 at 08:30:06:
In Reply to: [6]S.I.R.T. posted by Mark Greenwald on April 09, 1997 at
20:55:25:
The South Shore line is the only branch currently in operation. It
runs
from the St.George Ferry Terminal south to Tottenville, roughly
parallel to Raritan Bay/Atlantic Ocean.Railroad crossings were totally
eliminated in 1968.
The North Shore line ran from St.George west to Arlington (South
Ave.),
passenger service was discontinued in 1953, but freight service ran
into
the early 1980's. The stations are still there, but in great
disrepair.
NYC has purchased this line and is going to re-habilitate it for
freight
use, including the decrepit Arthur Kill bridge (north of the Goethals
Bridge on I-278).
The South Beach line ran from St.George southeast to South Beach (near
Sand Lane and Capodanno Blvd.) until 1953. The right of way is no
longer
extant, many sections having been sold to housing developers.
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Posted by David Pirmann - Web Site Host on April 25, 1997 at
Hello,
Since tons of you have asked for it, I whipped up an archiving system
for the Subtalk articles. They are available via the link on the main
page "View Archives" and they are arranged by week in chronological
order. There are still some problems with it, like threads aren't
shown (they're shown in more-or-less date order), and if a followup
was in a different week, it's not available from the parent article.
Stuff to work on. but at least the main index page isn't 150K any more
:)
--Dave
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 25, 1997 at 10:16:11:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Mark Greenwald on April 22, 1997 at 20:13:38:
Mark,
Mark, I remember this very well. This took place in the early 1980's
(approx 1981-2). The NYCTA had been operating 637 (of a total order of
851 buses) Grumman Flxible 870 buses when they were taken out of
service. The TA scrambled to get some of their own older buses back on
the streets. The TA later arranged to borrow 100 to 150 buses from
WMATA. The buses were mostly GM 40 footers, but some were 35 footers
and a few were Flxibles. If I remember correctly, I believe the TA
paid WMATA $20 per bus, per day (I was only 15 yrs. old). These buses
were assigned to two Manhattan depots (Amsterdam & 54th Street) and to
the Staten Island division. I believe we had them for about 1 1/2 yrs.
It was great to ride the WMATA buses as they were very comfortable and
seemed to be in better shape than the average NYCTA bus at the time.
Grumman Flxible retrofitted the NYCTA's as well as many other transit
agencies' model 870 buses, but the NYCTA claimed that the buses were
unfit for service. I personally believe that while Grumman obviously
put out a defective product at first, they took responsibility and
corrected the problem, but the NYCTA attempted to blame future
problems on Grumman. The NYCTA later sold all 851 buses back to
Flxible who in turn re-conditioned them and sold most of them (approx
700) to New Jersey Transit. They are doing just fine to this day. The
NYCTA did not order from Flxible again after this, but many other
transit agencies continued to buy Flxible buses (including WMATA) and
they seem to be operating just fine. Incidentally Washington D.C.
streets are just as bad as New York streets. Also WMATA is quite
strapped for cash and many of their same old GM fishbowls are still
operating today. These buses date back to the early 1960's. Hope this
clears it up. Feel free to e-mail me if you have more questions.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on March 08, 1997 at 20:16:47:
In Reply to: [5]Re: PABT-Times Sq Walkway posted by David Pirmann on
February 28, 1997 at 11:45:36:
: Yes, you can walk from the 8th Avenue/42nd Street
: IND station to the 7th Avenue IRT/Shuttle station.
: This was made part of a free transfer some years
: back (before my time).
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Posted by David Steckler on April 25, 1997 at 11:53:43:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip I ate
a gallon of ice cream and now I can't fit through a turnstile
Nasadowski on April 24, 1997 at 15:38:28:
>
The Bright Liners were R-32's.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 25, 1997 at 12:07:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Philly Trains posted by Jay Yudof on April 24,
1997 at 22:41:57:
Does that station still exist under the lot and is there a way one can
get access to it??
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 25, 1997 at 13:36:34:
In Reply to: [6]R-142s posted by Jim on April 24, 1997 at 21:44:50:
Are there any pictures available on R-142 prototypes??
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 25, 1997 at 13:47:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Tony DeSantis on April 23, 1997 at 13:26:33:
You probably want to keep the Flushing line where it is. People north
of Roosevelt Avenue would have to walk an additional 4-5 blocks to
catch an LIRR train... assuming platforms are built along the
44th/45th Avenue ROW.
If anything should be done in Queens to the 7 Flushing line, it's to
extend it past Main Street, perhaps traveling beneath Northern
Boulevard east of Main. In Manhattan, I've heard _any_ extension to
the 7 west of Times Square is next to impossible, for there is some
sort of building that's an obstacle in the tunnels west of the station
(folks, please correct me if I'm wrong, I read that in the nyc.transit
newsgroup).
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 25, 1997 at 13:51:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Tracy Moskaloff on April 16, 1997 at 15:00:19:
I believe I mentioned this elsewhere, but the TA's and PA's planners
and subcontractors should smell the coffee by visiting Hartsfield
airport in Atlanta. THAT'S what a subway connection to the airports
should be, not bus connections to the A (to JFK) and the 7 (to LGA)!
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 25, 1997 at 13:53:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: S.I.R.T./revival of north shore/south beach
branches posted by Peter Rosa on April 23, 1997 at 20:11:26:
Well, from what I've read, it might be possible now and not when
Robert Moses was alive...
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 25, 1997 at 14:42:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by zack on April 23, 1997 at 00:42:18:
Actually, the buses were Grumman Flxable 870's. Grumman Flxable
started producing the Metro model in 1982-3. The model look nearly
identcal to the 870, but it had the structural improvements (and
others) included. The NYCTA never did operate any Metro models. The
private companies in NYC, Green Bus lines, Jamaica Buses, Queens
Surface and Triboro also did not purchase the Metro. These companies
did test a few Metro's in the beginning of their production. MSBA
(Long Island Bus) does have both the 870 and Metro models operating.
Incidentally, MSBA is under the same parent agency, The MTA as is the
NYCTA.
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Posted by MJS on April 25, 1997 at 20:32:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip I ate
a gallon of ice cream and now I can't fit through a turnstile
Nasadowski on April 24, 1997 at 15:38:28:
I also think the R-15s look cool. I was talking about everything after
that, until the R-44. And I did say that it's not fair for people who
are genetically obese (or something else they can't control).
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Posted by Blaise on April 26, 1997 at 00:05:51:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New Line Along 10th or 11th Ave. posted by Joshua
Caesar on April 24, 1997 at 20:34:23:
I agree that light rail would be the simplest way to go. Tie it into
the 42ns St. tram and build stops at Lincoln West (get Trump to throw
some money in) and the Convention Center. The Commitee for Better
Transit has a great proposal to extend the 42nd St tram up the east
side to the UN, across a pedestrian/tram bridge to Roosevelt Island
and on to Long Island City in Queens. A connection to the #7 subway
might also be possible, but very expensive I would guess.
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Posted by Steve on April 26, 1997 at 15:27:25:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by MJS on April 24, 1997
at 14:39:34:
In April or May of 1984, most of the R-16 were lined up out near
Linden Shop, waiting to be scrapped. I don't recall the exact
circumstance (perhaps the removal from service of many R-46s and R-44s
due to cracked trucks) but the R-16 flatbottoms were quickly placed
back in East NY Yard.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on March 08, 1997 at 20:43:07:
In Reply to: [6]2nd avenue subway posted by Emily Michaud on March 08,
1997 at 13:28:10:
A useful starting point is the book "Subway Lives," by Jim Dwyer
(Crown Publishers, 1991, ISBN 0-517-58445-X). It has an excellent
description of the political shenanigans that effectively killed off
the line in the mid-1970s. I don't know if the book is still in print
- when I bought it a couple of years ago it was already on the
remainder shelf - but you could try a search through Amazon
(http://www.amazon.com).
The Second Avenue subway also has been discussed at length in the
nyc.transit newsgroup; a DejaNews search should bring up the postings.
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Posted by Steve on April 26, 1997 at 15:39:55:
Some movies like Pelham 1 2 3, "Money Train" and "The Incident"
feature the Subway system but many more use the subways for a scene or
two. Upcoming, will be the sequel to Jurassic Park, "The Lost World"
featuring R-46 cars. Other recent films include "Mister Wonderful",
"Ghost", and "Jacob's Ladder". I'm compiling a tape of those clips
involving the subways. Does anyone have any other films in mind to add
to the collection?
PS: I know about "The French Connection", "Nighthawks" and both "King
Kongs".
Quiz: What movie had it's opening Scene on BART and it's closing Scene
on the NYCT?
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 26, 1997 at 19:27:44:
In Reply to: [6]Subways in the movies posted by Steve on April 26,
1997 at 15:39:55:
There are a lot of scenes in "The Warriors"
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Posted by Ben on April 26, 1997 at 19:50:22:
Does anyone know of any web sites containing track maps of the SEPTA
System?
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Posted by James on April 26, 1997 at 20:29:46:
In Reply to: [5]R-142s posted by Jim on April 24, 1997 at 21:44:50:
Uh, I hope not. Of the three, Amrail's cars (r-68) were the worst of
the batch that the MTA bought in the 80's. If it is Amrail I hope that
NYC Transit keeps the receipt handy, and inquire about their return
policy! :)
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Posted by charlie muller on April 26, 1997 at 21:21:16:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Mark Greenwald on
April 26, 1997 at 19:27:44:
in the movie ``the warriors'' there are a lot of 1970 vintage cars
with graffitti
on the cars. if you have the video you can hit the pause button you
can see the cars and the graffitti.
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Posted by charlie muller on April 26, 1997 at 21:51:42:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Mark Greenwald on
April 26, 1997 at 19:27:44:
in the movie ``the warriors'' there are a lot of 1970 vintage cars
with graffitti
on the cars. if you have the video you can hit the pause button you
can see the cars and the graffitti. you can also see the trains
heading the wrong way, i.e. a northbound train going south on the
northbound local track.
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Posted by Steve on April 26, 1997 at 23:33:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Philip I ate
a gallon of ice cream and now I can't fit through a turnstile
Nasadowski on April 24, 1997 at 15:38:28:
Say what you will about the R-32s, of the original 600 cars purchased,
595 are still around 30+ years later. In addition, they have one of
the highest MDBF (Mean Distance Between Failures) of all cars in the B
Division. They may outlast some cars that were purchased more
recently.
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Posted by Dan Schwartz on April 27, 1997 at 01:15:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Mark Greenwald on
April 26, 1997 at 19:27:44:
What I would like to know is, why do movies that feature the subways
always change
station or train identities around? For example, in "The Taking of
Pelham 1-2-3" the
scenes that supposedly were occurring at the 23rd St. station on the
Lexington Ave. line
clearly were not actually shot there. In "Money Train", the station
marked "Wall Street"
at the beginning is really 14th St.-Union Square. (They then mention
that the track against
the wall is used by the #6 train, which it is--at Union Square. The #6
doesn't run to Wall St.).
The route taken by the hijacked "money train" is also impossible,
going from 5th Ave.
station on the N/R line (never identified by name in the movie) to
Broadway-Nassau.
It then heads toward Coney Island, though on which line isn't made
clear.
The chase scene in "The French Connection" featured an N train on the
B line--something
that can happen if they are rerouting trains for some reason, but
still not the normal state
of affairs. Certainly they could have put "B" signs up if they had
wanted to--unless the TA
specifically told them not to. But why would the TA insist that the
subways be shown
inaccurately?
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 27, 1997 at 02:59:35:
In Reply to: [6]Subways in the movies posted by Steve on April 26,
1997 at 15:39:55:
"Style Wars" (a graffiti documentary) also has some clips of older
cars and trains running on the els and in tunnels.
Also, "Die Hard with a Vengence" has a subway sequence.
--Dave
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Posted by FRED WELLAN on April 27, 1997 at 10:24:37:
In Reply to: [6]Broad Street Line (Philly) posted by Ben on April 26,
1997 at 19:50:22:
If you would like a map of SEPTA go to www.libertynet.org/septa/rail/
rail/htm. I found it using Yahoo and SEPTA for search. It is a very
good map with lines color coded including Regional Rail. I printed a
copy in color and it came out great.
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Posted by Jennifer on March 09, 1997 at 13:07:53:
I have to do a paper on Art on the New York City Subway
System, and I haven't a clue where to find any
information on the subject!
Can anyone help? If you can, please e-mail me at
JennynJupy@aol.com
THANKS!!
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Posted by Peter Rosa on April 27, 1997 at 16:59:41:
In Reply to: [6]Re: What does the NYC Metro need most in terms of
Transit? posted by Julio Perez on April 25, 1997 at 13:47:46:
[re extending 7 train west from Times Square]
The main obstacle blocking any westward extension of the 7 train is
the lower level of the 42nd/8th IND station - in fact, the current
tunnel for the 7 runs almost right to the wall of the lower level. As
the lower level has been abandoned for years, and AFAIK there are no
plans to resume use, removing it for a 7 extension shouldn't be too
much of an obstacle.
I have heard that there are some underground fuel tanks at the Port
Authority Bus Terminal that may also stand in the way of a 7
extension. I'm not certain of this, however.
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Posted by John on April 27, 1997 at 21:38:10:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Dan Schwartz on
April 27, 1997 at 01:15:00:
I also agree that Money Train is a very inaccurate movie when it comes
to the subway. One thing that you forgot to mention was that the R-30
cars are not IRT cars, and yet they were shown in the movie with IRT
route numbers on them. Another thing was the scene in the Fulton
Street station on the 4 and 5 line, which in fact, it really wasn't
Fulton St. In addition, in that same scene, when the token booth was
torched and Snipes jumped from his position to save the attendant, he
avoided two passing number 5 trains. This is WRONG!!!! There are NO
EXPRESS TRACKS at the Fulton Street stop and the number 5 train ALWAYS
STOPS THERE!!!! ARGHH!!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE
PEOPLE!!!!!!!
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Posted by John on April 27, 1997 at 21:44:48:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by Wayne Johnson on April 25, 1997 at 10:16:11:
WMATA is still operating the Fishbowls? On which routes? I wish they
were still using them in New York - I love those busses!
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Posted by Steve on April 27, 1997 at 21:45:12:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Dan Schwartz on
April 27, 1997 at 01:15:00:
I cannot begin to explain the inaccurracies in "Money Train" and there
were far more than the ones you cited. For example when trying to stop
the runaway 'money train' someone yells "Bleed the brakes." What would
you be bleeding in an air brake system? Oh well, that's Hollywood.
The real money trains also bear no resemblance to the car which was
built at Coney Island Shop for the movie. The actual car is currently
in Coney Island and is visible from the South-bounf 'F' train as it
leaves the Ave. X station.
As for the N train on the B line, I can only assume that when the film
was made, the 'B' end sign color was black and the film maker might
have wanted a bit of color in the scene. However, the 'F' sugn was
purple and would have served equally well.
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Posted by John on April 27, 1997 at 21:56:23:
In Reply to: [5]Re: R-142 Mock-Up posted by MJS on April 24, 1997 at
14:34:05:
MAYBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
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Posted by John on April 27, 1997 at 21:57:52:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Steve on April 26,
1997 at 15:27:25:
Are all the R-16 trains scrapped, or do some still exist?
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Posted by John on April 27, 1997 at 22:00:10:
Does anybody have any information about the new subway in Athens,
Greece? In particular, what type of trains are they using? How do they
compare to a train used in the New York Subway?
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Posted by David R. Steckler on April 27, 1997 at 23:36:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by John on April 27,
1997 at 21:38:10:
I'm surprised to hear everyone commenting about the inaccuracies in
"The Money Train" concerning station, routes, signage, etc. Don't you
realize the entire "line" was constructed by the movie production
company? They built a 5/8 mile replica of the subway, complete with
two stations. I believe it was built in the Palm Desert area. There
was a lengthy article, including pictures, about this in People
magazine around the time the movie was released. How accurate could it
have been when the entire "system" was a gigantic prop?
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Posted by Steve on April 28, 1997 at 00:38:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on April 27, 1997
at 21:57:52:
There are at least 2 which have not been scrapped. One is still in
Coney Island Yd. The other one is in the parking lot of PS248 on 86th
Street in Brooklyn. (The TA took over this school and it is now a
training center)
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Posted by Jim on April 28, 1997 at 01:07:55:
In Reply to: [5]Subways in the movies posted by Steve on April 26,
1997 at 15:39:55:
Here are a few titles:
1) "Gloria" - NYCT & Path
2) "Dressed to Kill" (Angie Dickenson) IRT
3) "The Silent Partner" - Toronto System
4) "No Way Out" - DC System
5) "The Hunter" & "The Fugitive" - Chicago System
6) "Speed" - LA System
7) "A Stranger is Watching" - NYCT
8) "Die hard III" - NYCT
Has anyone guessed the answer to your quiz yet?
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Posted by Steve on March 10, 1997 at 09:47:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: light bulbs/resistors dc vs ac posted by philip
nasadowski on March 04, 1997 at 02:06:46:
Incadescent lamps used in groups of five (called a 'Bank of Lights) is
used in the tunnels as will as in the shops (for troubleshooting rail
car problems) . The nominal 3rd rail voltage is 600 VDC but comonly
runs to 650 volts, hence 130 volts per lamp. The idea is not to get
maximum illumination, just longevity. When used with colors, yellow or
green, they become critical safety items, telling the train operator
he is entering or clear of a work zone and to sound his whistle/horn
at the appropriate times.
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Posted by Keranu on April 28, 1997 at 05:03:34:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 21st St--Queensbridge posted by Steve on April 21,
1997 at 17:47:50:
Last I heard, the 'V' train was to run on the proposed (but never to
be built, probably) Second Avenue Line. It was supposed to run from
Broad St to somewhere in the Bronx. Anyone have anymore information
about whether tyhe tunnelse are being built under the East River and
where they will join with the Queens Blvd line?
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Posted by Keranu on April 28, 1997 at 05:31:59:
1) Will the N train ever use the Manhattan Bridge again?
2) Why so many abandoned express tracks in Brooklyn?
3) On a recent journey from Lawrence St to Lex Av on the R, it seemed
that it would be profitable to use the express tracks north of Prince.
I know there used to be an express, why was it not reinstated?
4) How do you know whether the 6 is running express in the Bronx or
not?
Boards in the windows seem to show different messages in each car
5) Why was the M stopped at Chambers St, was there low ridership in
Bklyn?
6) I miss the graffitti
7) Where will the 21 St-Queensbridge extension go? Queens Blvd?
8) Unlike London, I get the feeling that subway ridership is falling
because of the numerous reductions in services (abandoned Express
tracks). With the growth in car traffic (similar to London), maybe
more incentives to use the subway are in order. With the advent of
Metrocard, could high frequency user fare reductions not be made?
London Underground started booming in the '80s after the Zonecard was
invented meaning you pay once and can use the subway for the whole
day.
9) Why were there so many one-way express trains in the Bronx? Why
aren't there now?
10) Why can't South Ferry (1,9) and 135 St (3) Stations fit a whole
train
into the platform?
11) I still miss the graffitti (I've only seen it in photos)
12) Was the centre track of the Astoria branch ever used?
13) Why do so many trains go to Coney Island? It is actually desolate
14) Why does the C train only go to Euclid Av instead of Rock Park?
15) Does skip-stop really work? It seems to on the 1/9 but apparently
it is still a very slow trudge through Queens on the J/Z
16) Why no digital boards telling you when the next train is coming
and
where it is going? In London, almomst every station has this.
17) Which one is the Montague St tunnel?
18) What train used the express tracks on the F between Jay St and
Church Avenue?
19) What did they actually DO to the trains to make it that you can't
spray paint them, or is it just that they keep them in closed areas.
20) What is the centre track on the 7 WEST of 61 St for?
21) Do many people use the L? No express - ever!
22) Do skip stop services operate both ways at rush hours or only in
the peak direction
23) The TA claims that all of its stations are open seven days a week,
24
hours a day. What trains actually serve Broad St (J,M,Z) at weekends?
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Posted by Keranu on April 28, 1997 at 05:36:56:
In Reply to: [6]Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Bryan Layne on
April 20, 1997 at 22:07:30:
I agree that an all stainless steel system sounds drab but painting
them red is not the answer. Bring in.. GRAFFITTI. I miss graffitti, it
looks so brilliant. I don't actually do graffitti but I think it looks
excellent and gives each train an identity.
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Posted by Julio Perez on April 28, 1997 at 07:31:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Keranu on
April 28, 1997 at 05:36:56:
Metro-Dade Transit Agency has had some success in using their Grumman
buses and Westinghouse Metromovers (people movers) as moving
billboards, covering their sides with wallpaper-like material to sell
products and services. I think MARTA (Atlanta) does this, too.
Although I don't think neither agency uses their rail equipment as
such, and being my native NYC the city that it is today, it wouldn't
be a bad idea for it to experiment using subway car exteriors as a
means to draw revenue and NOT aesthetically unpleasing GRAFFITI!
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Posted by Dan on April 28, 1997 at 08:18:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Andrew Huie on April 17,
1997 at 21:30:36:
I like the King and Queen story. I read someplace that dring WW2
Winston
Churchill came to US, arriving at Stapleton.A special train took him
to
Washington,DC via the North Shore line. It's plausible because at that
time
arriving in Staten Island would not have attracted as much attention
as
arriving in Manhattan.
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Posted by Dan on April 28, 1997 at 08:26:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: SIRR to NYC posted by Peter Gray on April 17, 1997
at 01:54:04:
What remains of the "Sailor's Snug Harbor" station should still be
visible.
You used to be able to walk down (carefully) stairs leading to the
tracks.
The station name is on the wall immediately to your left. A metal
barrier
has been installed across the top of the stairs now, making it
inacessable.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 28, 1997 at 10:06:16:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Jim on April 28,
1997 at 01:07:55:
What's funny about "No Way Out" is that --yes, they do go down into a
Metro station of DC but where they are in the station is NOT DC--It is
the Charles Center Station in nearby Baltimore--of course, when they
go out the exit, they're back in DC--oh if it were only this easy.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 10:32:28:
In Reply to: [6]Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Keranu on
April 28, 1997 at 05:31:59:
Keranu,
I can't answer all of your questions, some of them I can. I will
number my answers to correspond with your question. I'm sure my fellow
subway fans will fill in the answers that I miss.
1 N service over Manhattan Bridge - The N service was rerouted to the
tunnel when the Manhattan Bridge work on the North side (6 Ave) tracks
began as there would be too many trains using the bridge/Broadway
express tracks. At that time the bridges south tracks were used by the
B,D,& Q trains. Those trains are now using the north side tracks
to/from the 6 Ave line. I understand that work on the south side
tracks is still in progress. I'm guessing that the N train will return
to the Manhattan bridge (with Broadway express service) when the work
is completed.
3 Yes, there used to be express service on Broadway. The R was always
a local, but the N and the old QB (which became the Q) used the
Manhattan bridge and the express tracks. Again, I'm guessing that
express service will be restored when the Manhattan bridge work is
completed.
4 #6 trains express in the Bronx- The easiest way to spot an Pelham
(Bronx) express #6 train is by the destination. During the hours of
operation (of the express) northbound Pelham express trains terminate
at Pelham Bay Park, while northbound Pelham local trains terminate at
177st-Parkchester. Also many of the R-62A cars have the word "express"
under the #6.
6 Graffiti - Sorry, I'm very happy that graffiti is gone.
7 21st-Queensbridge extention - Yes, the extention will feed into the
Queens Blvd. line.
8 Ridership - Yes, I believe ridership has fallen for a variety of
reasons. Some are: Service cuts, safety concerns, conditions and lack
of incentives.
9 Bronx express lines - Most lines in the other boroughs have 4 tracks
which permit express
service in both directions at the same time, while all lines in the
bronx have only 3 tracks which of course would only permit express
service in one direction at a time. Some still exist today on the #'s
5, 6 and the D lines.
10 Short IRT platforms - The #3 platform is actually the Northbound
platform at 145th Street. It was never extended to the current length.
It is still the length of platforms when service began in 1904.
11 I hope it stays in the photos
13 Coney Island - Remember, it wasn't always desolate and the yard is
also nearby.
14 C service to Rockaway Park - More budget cuts???
15 Skip-stop - My opinion is that it works, but not a big deal. If
trains are spaced properly I guess I can be successful.
17 Montague Tunnel - The Montague street tunnel runs between Manhattan
and Brooklyn and it is used by the M,N and R trains.
19 Graffiti resisitant cars - It's not that you can't spray them,
because you can, but the materials used created an alloy in which
graffiti is easily removed from the cars.
20 Centre track 7 line - This is the track for peak direction express
service. Express trains normally operates make express stops between
Willets Pt.-Shea Stadium and Queensboro Plaza, but a major
construction project on the Queens Blvd. viaduct forced the NYCTA to
suspend express service between Queensboro Plaza and 61st St-Woodside.
The work was recently completed and full express service will resume
soon and has already be reinstated.
22 Skip stop - Skip-stop operates in both directions during hours or
operation.
23 All stations are served 24 hours a day. The are either served with
connecting service (such as Broad St.) or in a couple of cases by bus
(145 St Lenox Ave & 148th St Lenox Terminal.)
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Posted by STEVE LOWENTHAL on April 28, 1997 at 10:37:12:
In Reply to: [6]Broad Street Line (Philly) posted by Ben on April 26,
1997 at 19:50:22:
WHAT TRACK MAPS DO U NEED ???
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Posted by STEVE LOWENTHAL on April 28, 1997 at 10:38:07:
In Reply to: [6]Broad Street Line (Philly) posted by Ben on April 26,
1997 at 19:50:22:
WHAT TRACK MAPS DO U NEED ???
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Posted by David Pirmann on March 10, 1997 at 11:22:45:
In Reply to: [6]Looking for Info on Art on the NYC Subways posted by
Jennifer on March 09, 1997 at 13:07:53:
There is a page of links regarding art projects
in Transit systems here on the site:
http://subway.k2nesoft.com/arts.html
The National Endowment for the Arts even puts
out a nice little arts in transit award booklet
which you can request from their web site.
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Posted by STEVE LOWENTHAL on April 28, 1997 at 10:42:06:
LOOKING FOR UPDATED BUS ROSTERS----NYCTA,,LI BUS
INCLUDING VEH NUNBERS,,,DATES,,MGFR,,,MODEL
NUMBERS,,SERIES,,ETC,,THANKS
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 28, 1997 at 14:11:54:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 10:32:28:
Re: Ridership
It's actually UP. I heard that the #7 had the largest increase of any
of the lines--somewhere around 20%!!! Ridership of most of the area's
train systems are up (NJ Transit, PATH in particular). PATH had its
best year since 1964 last year, even considering NJ Transit's
decreasing use of Hoboken Terminal.
--Dave
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Posted by Ben on April 28, 1997 at 15:33:25:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Broad Street Line (Philly) posted by STEVE
LOWENTHAL on April 28, 1997 at 10:37:12:
Any track maps!!!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 16:01:53:
In Reply to: [6]BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by STEVE
LOWENTHAL on April 28, 1997 at 10:42:06:
Steve,
I've been looking for this info. also for a long time now. For years I
managed to store most TA (and nearly all MaBSTOA) bus numbers, depot
assignments, model, manufacturer etc. excluding serial numbers, of
course in my head. It's now harder for my to track NYCTA bus info. as
I recently moved out of NYC. As for LIBUS I know some but not much
about their fleet. I hope someone responds with the info.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 17:18:28:
In Reply to: [6]Subways in the movies posted by Steve on April 26,
1997 at 15:39:55:
I agree with Steve, that there were many inaccuracies in the movie
money train. One of my favorites was the Bleeding the brakes scene.
Also when W Harrelson stole the train he set the throttle and then
left it momentarily to toss the motorman from the train. We all know
that the train would have stop as soon as he released the throttle.
Also the tripper that was activated to stop the train - trippers wich
are beside signal look totally different from the striped contraption
in the movie. We could go on and on as there are many others.
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Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 19:07:01:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Mark Greenwald on
April 28, 1997 at 10:06:16:
You mean there was actually a movie that had PATH scenes in it? When
was this movie made and what is it about? Also, are there any other
movies with PATH scenes in them?
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Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 19:12:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies posted by David R. Steckler
on April 27, 1997 at 23:36:10:
Once. Just once, can a movie that involves the New York Subway have NO
flaws in it? Is that too much to ask, Hollywood? Study your goddamn
facts before you go out making a movie, for crying out loud!!! I also
forgot - the main attraction in Money Train - the money train itself
is wrong!!! There are actually several revenue collection trains and
they look NOTHING like the one in the movie. The real ones are painted
yellow with diagonal black stripes on the ends.
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Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 19:16:26:
In Reply to: [5]Not Graffiti, but ADVERTISING! (Was Re: Paint The
R-142's RED!!!!!) posted by Julio Perez on April 28, 1997 at 07:31:32:
Actually, I do agree a little bit with Keranu about graffiti. Graffiti
did give the New York Subway personality and a tough look. I don't
know. I have mixed feelings. However, the new craze seems to be
window-scratching.
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Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 19:19:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Steve on April 28,
1997 at 00:38:21:
You mean a subway car was converted into a classroom?! I gotta see
this one. PS284 is on 86th St. and what? What condition is this car
in?
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In Reply to: [5]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Peter Rosa
on March 08, 1997 at 20:14:46:
I believe the station you are thinking of is Woodhaven, which was
rendered useless when the Rockaway line was abandoned.
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What happened to the hand-hold straps in the older subway cars? Why
did the TA replace them with railings? I beleive the Redbirds are the
only trains in the New York fleet that still have the straps. Will
they be brought back in the R-142?
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In Reply to: [6]Not Graffiti, but ADVERTISING! (Was Re: Paint The
R-142's RED!!!!!) posted by Julio Perez on April 28, 1997 at 07:31:32:
This kind of advertising is not that uncommon---The Maryland Dept. of
Transportaion uses the covers on the MTA buses in Baltimore. They look
like tinting from inside the bus yet is an ad that runs the entire
length of the bus.
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Posted by MJS on April 28, 1997 at 20:24:00:
In Reply to: [6]STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 28, 1997 at
19:24:12:
Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 19:24:12:
>What happened to the hand-hold straps in the older subway cars? Why
did >the TA replace them with railings? I beleive the Redbirds are the
only >trains in the New
>York fleet that still have the straps. Will they be brought back in
the >R-142?
Thank god they won't! I hate them!
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Posted by MJS on April 28, 1997 at 20:24:09:
In Reply to: [6]STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 28, 1997 at
19:24:12:
Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 19:24:12:
>What happened to the hand-hold straps in the older subway cars? Why
did >the TA replace them with railings? I beleive the Redbirds are the
only >trains in the New
>York fleet that still have the straps. Will they be brought back in
the >R-142?
Thank god they won't! I hate them!
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 28, 1997 at 20:38:56:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New cars for PATH? posted by Pete on April 24,
1997 at 21:50:57:
That's odd. I'm not on the up-and-up with PATH rolling stock, but
aren't the PA-4's the first new design since the classic PATH cars
(PA-1 through PA-3)? Also, have/will any of the old PATH cars be saved
for historical purposes? (It would be great if the subway museum gets
one!)
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 28, 1997 at 20:42:19:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-142s Looks are not everything posted by Steve on
April 26, 1997 at 23:33:52:
Hmm, somehow I think a lot has to do with the people maintaining the
cars. I can't believe the R42's are so delicate, considering they
aren't that different from R-32's, aside from cosmetic differences
(window size, metalworking on the outside, etc.).
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 28, 1997 at 20:53:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by David
Pirmann on April 28, 1997 at 14:11:54:
I had forgotten that they are trying to push Hoboken trains into Penn
Station now. Does Penn Station have that much extra capacity? Also,
what will happen to Hoboken? Will it no longer service electric
trains?
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Posted by Lefty on April 28, 1997 at 21:48:05:
In Reply to: [6]STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 28, 1997 at
19:24:12:
im glad they dont have them cuz one time i was holding one on teh 7
train, and the guy in the seat behind the strap that i was holding
stood up, but i didnt notice, and i was getting off the train too, and
i let go of it and it snapped back and hit the guy in the head really
hard.. im lucky he was a nice guy otherwise i might not be writing
this now!
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Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 21:55:24:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by MJS on April 28, 1997 at
20:24:00:
Why does everybody hate the straps? I love them!! They were really a
New York thing. I can't think of another subway that has individual
straps like New York did.
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Posted by Lefty on April 28, 1997 at 21:55:46:
could you list any subway car manufacturer websites that you know of?
i know bombardier has www.bombardier.com.. what about amrail and st
louis and all that...
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Posted by Will Calves on March 10, 1997 at 14:07:28:
In Reply to: [6]Abandoned Subway Stuff in Phila posted by Bill
Mosteller on February 27, 1997 at 11:39:17:
Dear Bill,
Just so you know, a term paper was published many
years ago which is chock full of maps and references
to old subway proposals (and partially built lines)
in Philly. The paper is "Speed Lines to City and
Suburbs" by John Sechler. The only copy I know of
I received on loan from the Los Angeles MTA's
reference library. The paper is excellent and was
written circa 1974.
--Will Calves
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Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 21:57:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Andrew
Huie on April 28, 1997 at 20:53:05:
Hoboken will continue to serve the Morris/Essex County lines of NJ
Transit, except that some of them will now go directly to midtown
Manhattan (hence the term Midtown Direct).
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Posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 22:04:18:
In Reply to: [5]Re: New cars for PATH? posted by Andrew Huie on April
28, 1997 at 20:38:56:
I am a little sketchy on this, but in the 1980's (when I wasn't using
PATH that often), weren't some of the trains painted light blue, and
didn't some of them have forward/backward seating and also didn't some
of them not have door chimes?
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Posted by Jim on April 28, 1997 at 23:46:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies - Hey Jim! posted by John on
April 28, 1997 at 19:07:01:
There was only one brief scene of PATH in "Gloria", which dates back
to the mid 70s. The movie is about a woman who is protecting a young
boy from the mobsters who killed the rest of his family. She takes the
boy and heads for New Jersey, hence the PATH scene.
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Posted by Steve on April 28, 1997 at 23:52:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on April 28, 1997
at 19:19:57:
It's near the 25th Ave station on the B line or 86th Street. The car
is not a classroom. It's just on display although I suppose that
classes could be held in it. RTO (Rapid Transit Operations) uses a
pair of 27s as a school car.
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Posted by Jim on April 29, 1997 at 00:02:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 28, 1997 at
21:55:24:
I doubt that you'll ever see straps again. The hand-holds will likely
be integrated into the recessed lighting similar to the arrangement on
the 110Bs. Many of the old straps were removed before the cars were
scrapped. They were mounted on walnut plaques and adorn many offices.
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 29, 1997 at 01:01:07:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New cars for PATH? posted by John on April 28,
1997 at 22:04:18:
Yup! Take a look at
[7]PATH Historical Photos
for examples. I thought I had a picture of a PA-series painted blue
but I guess not. The book "Gotham Turnstiles" definitely has such a
picture.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 06:53:37:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 28, 1997 at
21:55:24:
I LOVE them too!!! Actually, I love the Redbirds, but ANYWAY....
I think Path (!) still has the tinny tiny ones on their cars (at least
they did last time I was on Path this year)
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 06:57:42:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies - Hey Jim! posted by Jim on
April 28, 1997 at 23:46:22:
Hey, I sorta remember a Path train at the end of *Speed* In the scene
where they are stuck on the L.A. subway (he he he he), the car that
flys up out of the ground and lands on its side looked almost like a
Path car (that and I think there was a poorly spray blacked out Path
logo on the front...)
I dunno though - anyone actually got that movie on tape anywhere??
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 07:01:05:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by John on April 28,
1997 at 19:12:13:
Of course Hollywood can't get the NY subways right - Half the people
over there have never seen a train in real life anyway. Besides - they
can't even get a real life subway right, let alone a movie one.
Of course the real money train isn't a flashy thing - it makes sense
to make it look likle any other work train (I.E., looks low key)
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 29, 1997 at 09:18:35:
In Reply to: [6]subway car manufacturer websites posted by Lefty on
April 28, 1997 at 21:55:46:
Lefty,
I believe the St. Louis Car Company went out of business after
completing the R-44 contract in 1973.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 10, 1997 at 18:25:33:
In Reply to: [5]2nd avenue subway posted by Emily Michaud on March 08,
1997 at 13:28:10:
You may already be aware of this, but the second avenue el was razed
with the "IRON-CLAD" promise that it would be replaced as soon as
possible with a subway. Therefore, it should be possible to chronicle
the whole sad story just by searching headlines for the last sixty
years!
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 29, 1997 at 09:40:44:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Selling Old Rolling Stock to Other Agencies?
posted by John on April 27, 1997 at 21:44:48:
Yes, WMATA still operate many fishbowls. I would estimate that about
100 of them are still operating. It's very easy to find them on
weekdays. I have quite figured out the WMATA route numbering schemes,
but I see the fishbowls on some routes near to Union Station such as
the 80, X2 and others. I recently moved to Maryland (from NYC), but I
work in DC near to Union Station and I see several fishbowls each day.
As you'd expect I don't recall seeing many on weekends. I also see
them at the following Metro Stations: Silver Spring, Tacoma, Addison
Road and near the Pentagon. WMATA seems to have a lot of faith in them
as I spotted fishbowls operating serveral miles outside of DC. I too
have a soft spot for the fishbowls and was saddened when the NYCTA
started retiring theirs. Sorry, I couldn't provide more info. about
the actual routes, but I have passed a couple of depots that had
fishbowls in the yard if you're interested. WMATA also has late 70's
Flxibles still in service also. They have wheelchair lifts and are
nearly identical to the old 9000 series Flxibles the NYCTA used to
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 29, 1997 at 09:47:32:
In Reply to: [6]Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Keranu on
April 28, 1997 at 05:31:59:
RE: #18
The F was the express train and prior to Chrystie St. the D. The G (GG
in those days) was extended from Smith-9th to Church Av as a local.
Evenings and Weekends the GG was cut back to Smith-9th and the F (or
D) ran local.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 29, 1997 at 09:53:23:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Not Graffiti, but ADVERTISING! (Was Re: Paint The
R-142's RED!!!!!) posted by Mark Greenwald on April 28, 1997 at
20:10:02:
In Boston we call the technique 'Shrink Wrap'. The Gardner Museum had
at least two Green Line cars (71') decorated in this way. Follow the
link from NYC Transit Resources to the New England Transit Site to see
some on-line photos. No subway trains yet bit I think its coming.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 29, 1997 at 10:01:52:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by Jim on April 29, 1997 at
00:02:06:
Subway cars in Boston always had straps too. Unfortunately the only
ones left are on the PCC streetcars on the Mattapan-Ashmont Line. All
our old Boston (and New York) equipment at Seashore has them. (And I
miss them too!)
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on April 29, 1997 at 10:11:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Philip Nasadowski
on April 29, 1997 at 07:01:05:
The movie River Wild has a open shot of the Boston sky line with A
shot
of the MBTA Red Line crossing the Longfellow bridge just before it
enters
the Charles/MGH station going to Park St.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 29, 1997 at 11:24:40:
In Reply to: [5]STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 28, 1997 at
19:24:12:
We have a bit of a generation gap here. What many of you seem to be
talking about I consider to be something of a second generation strap
which first was used on R-10's. Older cars actually had approximately
15" leather straps hung from a bar. If you were the "correct" height,
these worked ok. If you were short, you might not be able to reach
them. Tall guys like me had little use for them, since we could not
hang on to them as intended. No tension on the strap equalled no
support. Fortunately the bar above could still be grasped, and that is
what I learned to do. The R-10 style was better for me, because it was
rigid laterally and only swung forward on a hinge. Even if you had a
hold of it up on the loop, you still were fairly stable against being
thrown fore and aft, which is the usual subway motion. Holding onto a
horizontal bar was always a poor substitute, because with your hand
horizontal, you give away a lot of strength against this motion, so I
am not surprised that the rigid straps are missed, although I agree
that a whack in the head from one of them ( And I received plenty at
6'6") could ruin your whole day!
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 29, 1997 at 11:31:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies - Hey Jim! posted by Jim on
April 28, 1997 at 23:46:22:
With all the complaints about lack of Subway realism in Hollywood, why
do we accept the concept of escaping from the Mob by GOING TO NEW
JERSEY !!!
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at what rate do subways accelerate and decelerate, please answer, i
need the info for my physics class thanks
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 29, 1997 at 12:57:11:
In Reply to: [6]subway car manufacturer websites posted by Lefty on
April 28, 1997 at 21:55:46:
Maybe try the WWW site of the American Public Transit Association
http://www.apta.com for links to various subway car manufacturers.
--Mark
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 29, 1997 at 13:18:46:
The majority of these coaches are TDH-5304's (40' X 96")
The are a few T6H-5305 (40' X 102") and T6H-5306 (40' X 96")
I won't swear to it, but I almost sure I caught a glimpse of either an
T6H-5307 or 5308, but I was driving and it was giong in the opposite
direction. Of course the days are numbered for these coaches, but they
are easy to find if you're in Downtown Washington on weekedays.
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Posted by Peter Rosa on March 10, 1997 at 21:40:49:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYC abandoned stations -LIRR posted by Gary Jacobi
on March 10, 1997 at 14:02:13:
Right you are - it was Woodhaven, not Woodside!
I don't believe that its abandonment was necessarily a result of the
Rockaway Line's closure. The LIRR stopped service on the Rockaway Line
in (I believe) the late 1940s or early 1950s, with the subway's A
train taking over most of the route. Woodhaven station remained open
until the mid-1970s. If its ridership fell off precipitously after the
Rockaway Line changeover, I would think that it wouldn't have lasted
that long.
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Posted by Mark S Feinman on April 29, 1997 at 13:22:10:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Jim on April 28,
1997 at 01:07:55:
Don't forget "Risky Business" near the end of the movie .... there's
an, er, "interesting" scene between Tom Cruise & Rebecca DeMornay on
the CTA loop late at night ....
Also, why all the inaccuracy depicting the subway? I think, since the
grafitti days, the TA is very sensitive to "negative" depictions of
its facilities (grafitti, token booth torching, runaway trains, etc)
and forces the production companies to be, at times, so inaccurate
that it doesn't refect reality ("bleeding" the brakes, for one).
--Mark
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Posted by Matt on April 29, 1997 at 16:20:27:
Who has information, maps, station locations for the future Lightrail
that will run from Bayonne to Hoboken NJ? Any info is appreciated!
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Posted by John on April 29, 1997 at 17:09:15:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by Gerry O'Regan on April 29,
1997 at 10:01:52:
Boston had them? I don't know much about the Boston subway, but I have
visited that city about once a year since 1993. Were the straps in the
Boston subway replaced by bars during a car refurbishment project, as
in New York?
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Posted by John on April 29, 1997 at 17:11:06:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Mark S Feinman on
April 29, 1997 at 13:22:10:
But what does one have to do with the other?
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Posted by John on April 29, 1997 at 17:13:53:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies - Hey Jim! posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 06:57:42:
I have that movie on videotape, but I haven't really looked that
closely at the subway car. I will check it tonight, though.
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Posted by John on April 29, 1997 at 17:25:27:
In Reply to: [5]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by Steve on April 28,
1997 at 23:52:44:
How do you use a subway car as a classroom, anyway? Obviously the
seats are for the students to sit, but what do you use as desks? What
do you use for a chalkboard (or do they use a portable marker board)?
And what do you use for the teacher's desk - the motorman's cab?
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Posted by gary jacobi on April 29, 1997 at 18:09:56:
In Reply to: [5]what is the acceleration and decel of subways posted
by jon on April 29, 1997 at 12:32:09:
This is a physics problem, not to be solved by outside knowledge! Let
me help you anyhow; various subway systems and different car designs
have different accel and decel rates determined by power to weight
ratios. BUT (and this is what the professor wants to hear from you)
these rates are limited to the amount of force that can be transmitted
up from the rails, and this in turn is equal to the weight of the car
times the coeficient of friction. If this were equal to 1.0, the car
could accelerate at one G, since the force would equal the mass. You
can deduce 1) that the coeficient is less than one, and 2) that the G
force is EQUAL to the coeficient.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 29, 1997 at 18:51:54:
With the new short format, which was sorely needed, we will all have
to learn to either repeat the message we are replying to, or as a
minimum make sure our message makes sense standing alone!
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Posted by FRED WELLMAN on April 29, 1997 at 19:00:33:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 29, 1997 at
17:09:15:
I lived in Boston from 1978 to 1985. I don't remember any leather
straps on the cars but I do remember some metal stap like handholds. I
cannot remember what line they were on. I think? they were on the
old Orange line cars. These were at the time the oldest subway cars
in service on the MBTA. They were not rebuilt but retired.
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Posted by Andrew Huie on April 29, 1997 at 19:32:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Paint The R-142's RED!!!!! posted by Keranu on
April 28, 1997 at 05:36:56:
Trouble is, the majority of graffiti was neither attractive nor even
vaguely artistic. They were just scrawls done with a marker or a spray
paint can, just so kids could leave their mark. That just made the
trains look ugly, and the subway system look even more dilapidated.
Though the campaign has also erased some rather impressive works, I'd
rather the "artists" took their artistic talents elsewhere.
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Posted by Joe Barnes on February 28, 1997 at 10:30:02:
Growing up a "virtual New Yorker" (in northeastern
New Jersey) I recall that for many years it was
possible to walk underground from the Port Authority
Bus Terminal to the Times Square shuttle. During
infrequent visits to New York I noticed, some years
ago, that this passageway was closed off. Then,
perhaps, was it reopened? Can someone clarify the
chronology, explain why this useful passageway was
ever closed, and say what the present situation is?
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Posted by Steve on April 29, 1997 at 19:50:37:
In Reply to: [5]what is the acceleration and decel of subways posted
by jon on April 29, 1997 at 12:32:09:
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Posted by Steve on April 29, 1997 at 20:01:43:
In Reply to: [6]what is the acceleration and decel of subways posted
by jon on April 29, 1997 at 12:32:09:
It's really not complicated at all. There are 3 rates to be concerned
with:
Accelleration in Light Load (AW0) through Heavy Load (AW3) is set at
3 MPH/Sec
Normal braking in AW0 - AW3 = 3.5 MPH/Sec. (Dynamic or Pneumatic)
Braking in Emergency Application = 3 MPH/Sec.
The rates are part of the specifications set at the time the cars are
ordered and hold true for all car classes with the possible exception
of the R110A and R110B. The accelleration rates are maintained despite
car load via a load sensor mounted on the #1 truck. It continually
senses the car load and compensates by adjusting accelleration current
or brake cylinder pressure so all cars maintain a constant rate
regardless of load. Four load levels are usually specified.
AW0 = An empty car
AW1 = The car and a given load weight
AW2 = The car and an increased load weight
AW3 = The car and its expected maximum load.
Hope that this helps....
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Posted by Steve on April 29, 1997 at 20:14:33:
In Reply to: [6]Re: 2nd avenue subway posted by John on April 29, 1997
at 17:25:27:
It's not all that hard to imagine. You sit in the car and the Train
Service Supervisor (formerly called Motor Instructor) talks - often
accompanied by black boards and other visual aids. Many of the School
Cars have displays built into them. By the way, the term school car
does not always mean a car used for school. School car instruction is
any training that is given to the crews, either on the train or in a
class-room.
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Posted by Mark Greenwald on April 29, 1997 at 20:44:36:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Mark S Feinman on
April 29, 1997 at 13:22:10:
And lets not forget the ovie "Turk 182"--here a train that is
supposedly "graffitti proof" finds out that it's not.
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has anyone seen any of these and know what im talking about.. they
look almost exactly like the Orion V but they have the accordion
thingy in the middle and some bumps on the roof which i assume has
something to do with CNG.. i seem them all the time outside of my
school with "training bus" on the front light thingy.. anyone know
what line(s) they will be used on and when? theyve been training for a
while already..
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 29, 1997 at 21:11:57:
In Reply to: [6]New Website Format posted by Gary Jacobi on April 29,
1997 at 18:51:54:
Well, there is still work to be done in getting the archives working
properly. Sorry :-)
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Posted by Dan Weissmann on April 29, 1997 at 22:22:30:
In Reply to: [6]Athens Subway posted by John on April 27, 1997 at
22:00:10:
I haven't had thepleasure of riding it but there is at least one
picture at www.tramway.com. Also check out SEJS Metasubway page, I
know they've got info on it there.
Good luck!
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Posted by John on April 29, 1997 at 22:25:17:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by FRED WELLMAN on April 29,
1997 at 19:00:33:
The metal straps are the ones I'm talking about, anyway. Those were
the kinds that New York used to have.
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Posted by Dan Weissmann on April 29, 1997 at 22:29:18:
I was reading somewhere that Rochester, NY has an elaborate abandoned
subway system. Does anyone know if this is true and, if so, where
there might be info on it on the web.
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 23:04:47:
In Reply to: [5]Re: subway car manufacturer websites posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 29, 1997 at 09:18:35:
Ok - it goes like this:
St Louis Car - gone
Pullman - gone
Budd - gone
Pressed Steel - gone
ACF - Out of the passenger business (are they still around?)
The only U.S. car (re) manufacturer is MK, they built the M6 for MN's
New Haven line...
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Posted by Philip Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 23:13:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New cars for PATH? posted by Pete on April 24,
1997 at 21:50:57:
What is the transit's world obsession with full width cabs!!!!!
I 0^%%$^$$# HATE them!!!!
It makes it difficult / impossible to see out the front of the train -
which of course takes the fun out of it ;)
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Posted by Steve on April 30, 1997 at 01:00:31:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Not Graffiti, but ADVERTISING! (Was Re: Paint The
R-142's RED!!!!!) posted by John on April 28, 1997 at 19:16:26:
The window scratching is finding its way onto the LIRR. I think that
the miscreants should be prosecuted and locked up when caught. If a
person steals in excess of $250 it's a felony but if they damage $500
worth of glass, it's graffiti.
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Posted by Steve on April 30, 1997 at 01:03:46:
In Reply to: [6]Re: R-142s Looks are not everything posted by Andrew
Huie on April 28, 1997 at 20:42:19:
On the contrary, the only real similarity is the GE Group Switch Box.
Otherwise, there are differences in the braking, controls, HVAC and
door systems.
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Posted by Steve on April 30, 1997 at 01:06:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: New cars for PATH? posted by Philip Nasadowski on
April 29, 1997 at 23:13:00:
Transverse cabs make it easier for the Conductor to operate the doors
because He/She doesn't have to walk between cars. Transverse cabs also
make One Person Train Operation possible.
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Posted by Jim on April 30, 1997 at 07:46:11:
In Reply to: [5]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 29, 1997 at
22:25:17:
Actually NYCT has white enamel over steel on most cars while I seem to
remember that very early cars had a rope or cable with a ball on the
end.
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Posted by Steve on April 30, 1997 at 07:49:21:
In Reply to: [6]Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Keranu on
April 28, 1997 at 05:31:59:
Simply put - YES. However, it was the NYState DOT that took that
portion of the Manhattan Bridge out of Service. When they complete
their work, the south tracks will once again be used barring any major
service re-alignments in the interim.
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Posted by Steve on April 30, 1997 at 07:57:44:
In Reply to: [6]Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Keranu on
April 28, 1997 at 05:31:59:
The NYCT is actually 3 systems. The BMT (Originally the BRT), The IRT
and the IND. The IND was built by a NY Mayor (Hyland, I believe) to
compete with and drive the BMT & IRT out of business. Therefore, many
parallel and duplicate routes were created. In 1954, when the 3
systems were merged under the NYCTA, it no longer m ade sence to
maintain some of the duplicate routes. Also, as the city grows and
living and business area shift, service needs change. Routes may be
abandoned but it works the other way too. The NYCT took over and
re-opened the Rockaway line which was abandoned by the LIRR.
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Posted by Frank Gatazka on April 30, 1997 at 08:21:36:
In Reply to: [6]Subways in the movies posted by Steve on April 26,
1997 at 15:39:55:
There are many movies that feature the NYCTA in one or more scenes.
Here are some of my favorites:
"The Lost Weekend" with Ray Milland features the Third Avenue El in
Manhatten. "The Wrong Man", with Henry Fonda features R1-9 cars and
the R-15's (in original livery) on the Corona Line at Jackson Heights.
"The Bachelor Party" has Eli Wallach and others in a BMT Standard on
the 14th Street-Canarsie Line. "The Little Fugitive" features scenes
at Stillwell Avenue with BMT Standards. Rod Steiger catches the "A"
train, R-10's in the original two tone gray color scheme, on the Eigth
Avenue Line in the "The Pawnbroker". The made for TV movie "A Short
Walk to Daylight" has R1-9's in a simulated earthquake at the Court
Street Station. "Fort Apache-The Bronx" features the White Plains Road
Line at Westchester Avenue and 149th Street through the devestated
South Bronx. Eric Roberts gives a beat cop a phenolphtalein "cocktail"
under the White Plains Road Line at Westchester Square in "The Pope of
Greenwhich Village". "The House on Carroll Street" with Kelly McGillis
features R-10's at Hudson Street Station on the Liberty Avenue El in a
period piece thriller. Woody Harrelson ropes a "steer" at 62nd Street
Station on the West End El in Borough Park in "The Cowboy Way" which
also features scenes of R-40's and ponies on the Manhatten bridge
(check out the special planking laid on the rails for the horses
benifit). Spike Lee's "Malcom X" features specially decorated D types
(moved by diesels) at Wycoff Avenue on the Myrtle Avenue Line in
Ridgewood.
All of the above, except for "A Short Walk to Daylight" are available
currently on video cassette.
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Posted by Dan on April 30, 1997 at 08:57:52:
In Reply to: [6]NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Lefty on April 29,
1997 at 21:05:04:
They are going to start using them on Bronx local runs. A coach-seat
version may be in the works for the Staten Island ($4.00 fare) express
buses.The MTA has been talking about a '60-seat' Staten Island express
bus for about two years now, and the 'accordian' bus seems to be what
they
will eventually purchase.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 30, 1997 at 09:24:26:
In Reply to: [6]NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Lefty on April 29,
1997 at 21:05:04:
Yes, It's built by New Flyer. It's in NYC testing at this time. The
articulated New Flyer is assigned to the Kingsbridge Depot (Bronx Bus
division) and operates on the Bx1 route which operates on the Grand
Concourse from 138th Street (Mott Haven) to 231 St & Riverdale Ave.
I don't think it's a CNG bus as the "humps on top" are somewhat small,
but I could be wrong.
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POSTER>Michael Weiler
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Posted by Michael Weiler on March 12, 1997 at 09:20:21:
Hello! I realy love subway systems and i am looking for someone who
wants to get in contact with me to change subway informations and
souveniers. I offer a lot of of german articles.
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POSTER>David Steckler
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Posted by David Steckler on April 30, 1997 at 09:42:35:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway car manufacturer websites posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 23:04:47:
>
Yep. I believe they are headquartered in St. Louis, Missouri.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on April 30, 1997 at 11:33:26:
In Reply to: [6]Rochester Subway posted by Dan Weissmann on April 29,
1997 at 22:29:18:
Yes, it exists but it is not elaborate. I attended a meeting for my
agency with Rochester Planning Oficials in 1967, where they proposed
using what had been built as the basis of a new system. Here is what I
think I recall. It had been trolley based. I'm not sure it was ever
put into service. The most visible remnant is on the lower deck of a
highway bridge over a waterway; it may even be an unused station.
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Posted by BIG Dave on April 30, 1997 at 13:59:18:
LIRR has em and so does Metro North, All a part of the Good 'ole MTA.
Why not The Subway? What is the MTA trying to hide? (we know they're
always late so it wouldn't hurt) If I knew a train would be comming at
a certain time (like the LIRR) I'd be there and NEVER BE LATE FOR WORK
(grin). The Buses have it but they don't post it. Ask a Bus driver
when you will arive at an intersection and he'll give you the approx.
time. What can be done?
Also What can be done about service outages? If the transit authority
can't have my train run because of whatever, and I'm stranded in a
station for more than a 1/2 hour I should get my money back! right? I
pay $1.50 for a service that wasn't performed as expected, shouldn't I
deserve a refund? I think so...
Thanks for any help given
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POSTER>trolleybus
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Posted by trolleybus on April 30, 1997 at 14:14:30:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 16:01:53:
you want all nyc transit bus numbers
3oo1- 3325 rts gmc
3400-3799 rts gmc
3800-3899 rts gmc express buses
4000-4218 rts gmc
4300-4599 rts tmc
4600-4899rts tmc
8000-8399 rts tmc
8401-8567 rts tmc
101-317 orion
8600-8703 rts tmc
400-630 orion
8750-9349 rts nova
631-680 orion
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Posted by trolleybus on April 30, 1997 at 14:26:41:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 16:01:53:
you want all nyc transit bus numbers
3oo1- 3325 rts gmc
3400-3799 rts gmc
3800-3899 rts gmc express buses
4000-4218 rts gmc
4300-4599 rts tmc
4600-4899rts tmc
8000-8399 rts tmc
8401-8567 rts tmc
101-317 orion
8600-8703 rts tmc
400-630 orion
8750-9349 rts nova
631-680 orion
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Posted by trolleybus on April 30, 1997 at 14:27:59:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 16:01:53:
you want all nyc transit bus numbers
3oo1- 3325 rts gmc
3400-3799 rts gmc
3800-3899 rts gmc express buses
4000-4218 rts gmc
4300-4599 rts tmc
4600-4899rts tmc
8000-8399 rts tmc
8401-8567 rts tmc
101-317 orion
8600-8703 rts tmc
400-630 orion
8750-9349 rts nova
631-680 orion
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Posted by trolleybus on April 30, 1997 at 14:31:57:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by
trolleybus on April 30, 1997 at 14:14:30:
buses date from 1983-1997. there are also several 1981-1982buses still
in service.Also we have some remANUFACTURED BUSES 7000S.
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Posted by trolleybus on April 30, 1997 at 14:33:02:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 16:01:53:
you want all nyc transit bus numbers
3oo1- 3325 rts gmc
3400-3799 rts gmc
3800-3899 rts gmc express buses
4000-4218 rts gmc
4300-4599 rts tmc
4600-4899rts tmc
8000-8399 rts tmc
8401-8567 rts tmc
101-317 orion
8600-8703 rts tmc
400-630 orion
8750-9349 rts nova
631-680 orion
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Posted by TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at 14:38:26:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by
trolleybus on April 30, 1997 at 14:14:30:
THERE ARE ALSO SEVERAL 1981-1982 GMCS STILLIN SERVICE. ALSO
REMANUFACTURED BUSES 70000
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Posted by TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at 14:50:40:
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BUSES ASK ME
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Posted by Charles Fiori on March 12, 1997 at 11:55:45:
Anybody out there have any NYC bus signs for sale or trade. Looking
especially for the older black/white, blue/white, canvas.
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POSTER>Ted
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Posted by Ted on April 30, 1997 at 15:01:25:
In Reply to: [6]Hudson/Bergen Waterfront Lightrail posted by Matt on
April 29, 1997 at 16:20:27:
Matt ,
The Feb.21,1997 copy of the Jesey Journal has a map and article on the
Hudson-Bergen Light Rail. You can get it ( if it's still available , I
got my
copy 3 weeks ago ) at 30 Journal Square , Jersey City. Another place
you
can look is Hudson TMA's web site at : http://www.hudsontma.org/
By the way , I recently drove along the Bayonne section of the route
and
saw a sign marking where the 8th Street station / stop will be. I also
saw
some construction trailers on the route.
Ted
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Posted by TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at 15:09:45:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 16:01:53:
3001-3325
1983GMC RTS
3400-3799
1984 GMC RTS
3800-3899
1985 GMC RTS EXPRESS BUSES
3900-4218
1985 GMC RTS
4300-4599
1986 TMC
4600-4899
1987 TMC RTS
8000-8399
1990 TMC RTS
8401-8567
1993 TMC RTS
101-317
1993 ORION 101-172 EXPRESS BUSES
8600-8703
1994 TMC RTS
400-630
1994 ORION 611-630 EXPRESS BUSES
8750-9349
1996 NOVA TMC RTS
631-680 ORION 1995
THERE ARE SOME 1981-1982 BUSES STILL IN SERVICE. ALSO NYC TRANSIT IS
REMANUFACTURING 1981-1982 BUSES RENUMBERING 7000 SERIES. FOR ANY OTHER
BUS INFO CONTACT ME THE BUS WHIZ
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Posted by Lefty on April 30, 1997 at 15:11:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Wayne Johnson
on April 30, 1997 at 09:24:26:
hey! i got to ride on one of the articulated busses today! it was
assigned to pick up kids from my Highschool, the bronx high school of
science, which is a block off of the route.. it was running as a BX1..
i talked to the bus driver about it and he said that they'll be
running in regular service on teh BX1 and BX2 and are already running
on the bx55.. about the bus:
IT KICKED ASS! it had 62 seats, very good air conditioning, makes a
computer"beep" instead of an actual ring when you ring for a stop, and
its like a rollercoaster ride.. its so weird to see the front section
of the bus through your window when it turns and youre sitting in the
back.. i also sat in the middle part which is a circle where the
accodion is. its was sooooo cool.. the bus also has very good shocks,
its quiet, and the "kneeling action" is also more smooth and it beepps
while it raises and lowers.. the doors are also MUCH wider.. its a
GREAT design..
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Posted by TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at 15:14:13:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by Wayne
Johnson on April 28, 1997 at 16:01:53:
3001-3325
1983GMC RTS
3400-3799
1984 GMC RTS
3800-3899
1985 GMC RTS EXPRESS BUSES
3900-4218
1985 GMC RTS
4300-4599
1986 TMC
4600-4899
1987 TMC RTS
8000-8399
1990 TMC RTS
8401-8567
1993 TMC RTS
101-317
1993 ORION 101-172 EXPRESS BUSES
8600-8703
1994 TMC RTS
400-630
1994 ORION 611-630 EXPRESS BUSES
8750-9349
1996 NOVA TMC RTS
631-680 ORION 1995
THERE ARE SOME 1981-1982 BUSES STILL IN SERVICE. ALSO NYC TRANSIT IS
REMANUFACTURING 1981-1982 BUSES RENUMBERING 7000 SERIES. FOR ANY OTHER
BUS INFO CONTACT ME THE BUS WHIZ
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 30, 1997 at 16:31:54:
In Reply to: [6]WMATA Remaining GM fishbowls posted by Wayne Johnson
on April 29, 1997 at 13:18:46:
WMATA's active GM fishbowls also include a few TDH-5302's. These are
somewhat difficult to find.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 30, 1997 at 16:38:46:
In Reply to: [6]BUSES posted by TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at
14:50:40:
Thanks Trolleybus,
Much of the info you posted I already knew (I'm a native NY'er). I
recently moved to Maryland and it's difficult to keep track of buses'
assigned depots as I only get to NYC about once every 2 to 3 weeks. Do
you have any info. about the buses and their assignments - I realize
that such a document would change often, as the NYCT(A) transfers
buses rather often.
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POSTER>Wayne Johnson
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on April 30, 1997 at 16:49:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: BUS ROSTERS NYCTA LIBUS--DETAILED posted by
TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at 14:38:26:
I've seen the rebuilt 7000's operating out of Queen Village depot and
1 (7001) at the Gun Hill depot. If I remember correctly the 1982-83 GM
RTS's were the 1660-1859, 2580-2704. I rode 2700 recently and even
though it shows it's age it did seem to be full of life.
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POSTER>David Pirmann
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Posted by David Pirmann on April 30, 1997 at 17:00:18:
In Reply to: [6]Why Can't we get Time schedules???????? posted by BIG
Dave on April 30, 1997 at 13:59:18:
Well, you just haven't looked hard enough. Timetables are available
for some of the routes. I've got ones for the A Rockaway Express, B,
C, D/Q, L, M, N, Franklin Shuttle, 63rd Street B/F/Q service, 1/9, 7,
and SIRT. They list actual departure times from the terminals and
approximate times of arriving at intermediate points.
There are probably more available than this. You can get them from the
transit information centers (Grand Central, Penn Station museum gift
shops), from various stations along the lines, and by writing to
MTA New York City Transit
Customer Assistance Room 875
370 Jay Street
Brooklyn, NY 11201
As for refund complaints, you're probably better off taking that up
directly with Customer Service. 718-330-1234. If a service is
cancelled or delayed sometimes you can get a voucher from the token
booth clerk that will let you board a bus in the area instead.
--Dave
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POSTER>steve lowenthal
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Posted by steve lowenthal on April 30, 1997 at 17:00:27:
anyone know of a new site ,,dealing with triboro
buses ,,,queens transit,,green bus.,,etc
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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SUBJECT>Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!!
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 30, 1997 at 17:15:25:
In Reply to: [6]NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Lefty on April 29,
1997 at 21:05:04:
I think that would be a New Flyer D60 articulated bus.Although for
some reason(even though its a high floor bus) it still has the air
conditioning things on top(like the weird looking low-floor ones).BC
Transit has some that are similar(but lack the things on top),there is
a picture of one at [7]members.aol.com/busspot2/bc3.htm/ (part of the
Busspot website) if your interested.
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POSTER>Gary Jacobi
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 12, 1997 at 12:49:28:
In Reply to: [5]destination signs posted by Charles Fiori on March 12,
1997 at 11:55:45:
Take a look at Dave's answer to Looking for Subway Rolls, near the
bottom of this page; I think it applies to what you are looking for as
well.
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 30, 1997 at 17:25:58:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway car manufacturer websites posted by David
Steckler on April 30, 1997 at 09:42:35:
Isn't Morrison Knudsen "Amerail" or something like that now?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 30, 1997 at 17:26:21:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway car manufacturer websites posted by David
Steckler on April 30, 1997 at 09:42:35:
Isn't Morrison Knudsen "Amerail" or something like that now?
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 30, 1997 at 17:26:28:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway car manufacturer websites posted by David
Steckler on April 30, 1997 at 09:42:35:
Isn't Morrison Knudsen "Amerail" or something like that now?
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POSTER>Bryan Layne
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 30, 1997 at 17:29:26:
In Reply to: [6]new web site for nyc dot bus companies posted by steve
lowenthal on April 30, 1997 at 17:00:27:
I don't know of any but that would be great if there was.I would love
to find out rosters and other info on all of those bus lines,but
especially Queens Transit.
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Posted by Bryan Layne on April 30, 1997 at 17:42:07:
This is just a suggestion,and I put it on Subtalk so everone else can
see it.....I think a section all about the continued restorations of
the Manhattan IRT stations would be very cool.Also,maybe a section
about the different designs of elevated stations around the
system?Anyone reading this right now and think that would be
neat,please respond.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on April 30, 1997 at 17:56:09:
Bombardier wins the contract for 680 new subway cars.
Anybody with a Bloomberg screen, punch up story 150050.
First Delivery expected within 19 months from the October '97 start
date.
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Posted by Charles Fiori on April 30, 1997 at 17:58:21:
Somebody out there has to know where I can get a hold of some older
NYC
Bus destination signs. The museums have never stocked any. I can't
believe
that all those things were either pitched or their owners aren't
on-line.
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Posted by Philip D. on April 30, 1997 at 18:59:25:
In Reply to: [5]Rochester Subway posted by Dan Weissmann on April 29,
1997 at 22:29:18:
The Rochchester subway was a 1 line system going from one part of
town to a major industrial area. It was built in an old canal(similar
to the Newark City subway).When the industry left the town the line
was closed
due to the fact that the line would not be fully utilized. It used
trolley
cars.
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Posted by MJS on April 30, 1997 at 20:08:09:
In Reply to: [6]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by Wayne Johnson
on April 30, 1997 at 09:24:26:
The bus can't be CNG because all NYCT CNG busses are assigned to the
Jackie Gleason Depot in Brooklyn, it is the only depot with the
neccessary equipment.
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Posted by MJS on April 30, 1997 at 20:19:14:
In Reply to: [6]Re: subway car manufacturer websites posted by Philip
Nasadowski on April 29, 1997 at 23:04:47:
General Electric rebuilt the R-38 for the NYCTA.
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Posted by Gary Jacobi on March 12, 1997 at 16:28:19:
In Reply to: [5]First Post posted by David Pirmann on February 26,
1997 at 22:33:42:
I'm a bit worried about the Grafitti Freaks using your site, but it's
yours to handle as you wish. But if this isn't spam, what I want to do
might not fit your definition of major flamage either.
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Posted by Steve on April 30, 1997 at 20:23:00:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Frank Gatazka on
April 30, 1997 at 08:21:36:
That's quite an impressive list. I have a copy of "The House on Carol
St." but I don't remember a subway scene in it. I'll check it out
tonight. Of course you didn't mention my QUIZ question. Care to
venture a guess?
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Posted by Steve on April 30, 1997 at 20:59:26:
In Reply to: [6]Numerous NYC Subway Questions posted by Keranu on
April 28, 1997 at 05:31:59:
I think that the answer to question #3 has been debated to death in
this site.
As for the #6 running express, it's true that the word express appears
under the numeral 6 but actually the 6 in a green diamond as opposed
to the green circle is the actual designation (Per the NYCT map).
The M stops at Chambers Street for two reasons. The second being
ridership. The main reason is that with the N & R using the Montague
St. tunnel, there was no room for a 3rd service given the current
headways.
Question #6 - If you miss the graffiti post your address and I'll see
about having some delivered. Frankly, the fight to get rid of graffiti
was wery costly and I wouldn't want to see it start again.
Question #7 - The current plan (subject to change) calls for the Q
train to merge with the Queens Blvd. line just north of Queens Plaza
and continue to Continental Ave. The plan also calls for extending the
G or the R to 179th St. and adding 14 more trains to the line.
Question #8 - On the contrary, subway ridership is way up or at least
paid ridership is. The MTA expects a budget surplus this fiscal year.
Discounts for Metrocard users are about to be implimented with the
elimination of 2-fare zones for card users.
Question #9 - The D line still uses the middle track (designated C3/4)
for express service in the direction of the peak traffic. Traffic on
the IRT lines obviously (except for the #6) does not warrant express
service.
Question #10 - Because the trains are 10 cars (515 feet) long and the
platforms are not.
Question #11 - See question #6
Question #12 - It's used often but I can't remember it ever being used
for an Astoria Express. It is used to run around disabled trains or
during construction and trackwork.
Question #13 - I guess you've never been to Coney Island. I was there
as recently as today and the trains were not packed but not empty
either. Stillwell Avenue is heavily used because each of the lines has
access to the Coney Island Mtce. complex for storage, maintenance and
cleaning.
Question #14 - The C used to go to Rock Park. It was not cost
effective to maintain it.
Question #15 - The Dept. of Operations Planning seems to think it does
or they would abolish it.
Question #16 - You can't compare London's system to NY's. Different
operation and different culture.
Question #17 - The Montague St. tube is the connection under the east
river from Lawrence Street in Bklyn. to Whitehall St. in Manhattan.
Question #18 - No regularly scheduled trains use the 'lower level'
currently. The tracks from Jay St to Church Ave are used to maintain
service when the road is blocked and frequently for movie shoots.
Question #19 - Nothing was done to the trains but the approach was
changed. Graffiti is removed as soon as it is discovered, so the
vandal never sees the fruits of his criminal behavior.
Question #20 - The center track on the #7 line from QB Plaza to Main
St. is used for express service - Southbound (west) in the AM and
northbound (east) in the PM. All subway lines are designated as north
to south regardless of the actual geography.
Question #21 - Yes
Question #22 - since the 1/9 and the J/Z are both 3 track lines, I
guess it is only in one direction.
Question #23 - I don't know.
Question #24 - Anything else?????
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 01, 1997 at 12:24:00:
I would like for someone to settle a dispute about this question. Does
anyone out there remember when the R-62's were about to be delivered.
At that time (early 80's) the TA was still losing the graffiti battle
and I distinctly remember the R-62 (and of course future orders) was
the talk of the town because we were finally getting new equipment for
the IRT, which was long overdue and these cars would feature stainless
steel with another substance that would make graffiti removal from
them much easier than with the older equipment. I realize that NYCTA
had also instituted a policy of removing graffiti from cars
immediately, but I know I'm not losing my mind about the R-62's (and
R62-A,68 & 68-A's) being built with this special substance. I'm sure
someone must know this, especially Joe Korman - I'll be sure to e-mail
him on this.
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 01, 1997 at 12:42:14:
In Reply to: [6]BUSES posted by TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at
14:50:40:
Last year (in May)the TA had their museum fleet of buses on display
outside the Transit Exibit. Do you know if and when it's being held
this year? Also, the date and location of their bus Road-eo.
Thanks in advance...
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Posted by Alex Gonzalez on May 01, 1997 at 12:58:56:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Steve on April 30,
1997 at 20:23:00:
That's it! I've had it now! I think we should start a petition to get
"A Short Walk To Daylight" onto videocassette. It is possibly the
greatest exposure that the NYC Subway System has ever had (okay, okay,
Taking of Pelham Bay wasn't too shabby either!) and I want to know why
this gem is not available.
Does anybody have a recording off TV of this?
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Posted by Alex Gonzalez on May 01, 1997 at 12:59:32:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by Steve on April 30,
1997 at 20:23:00:
That's it! I've had it now! I think we should start a petition to get
"A Short Walk To Daylight" onto videocassette. It is possibly the
greatest exposure that the NYC Subway System has ever had (okay, okay,
Taking of Pelham Bay wasn't too shabby either!) and I want to know why
this gem is not available.
Does anybody have a recording off TV of this?
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Posted by Joe Barnes on May 01, 1997 at 13:44:57:
In Reply to: [6]Rochester Subway posted by Dan Weissmann on April 29,
1997 at 22:29:18:
For a thorough history of the topic, see Andrew David Lipman,
The Rochester Subway, Experiment in Municipal Rapid Transit.
_Rochester History_ 36(April 1974)no. 2, pp 1-24. The quarterly
Rochester History is available in many NY state libraries,
including, I am sure, the NYPL. Rochester's "subway" (mostly
aboveground, though low) was an effort to make use of the old
Erie Canal right-of-way that went right through the city prior
to the canal's realignment ca 1919-20. Transit operations were
abandoned in 1956 and most of the right-of-way is now occupied by
interstate feeders.
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Posted by trolleybus on May 01, 1997 at 14:58:43:
In Reply to: [5]Re: BUSES posted by Wayne Johnson on May 01, 1997 at
12:42:14:
roadeo
flushing meadow park 5-18-97
no date for bus festival so far
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Posted by Wayne Johnson on May 01, 1997 at 15:36:01:
In Reply to: [6]BUSES posted by TROLLEYBUS on April 30, 1997 at
14:50:40:
I thought that the 4300-4500 series RTS were the first and only
RTS-II-06 models that NYCTA had purchased from GM before TMC took
over.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 01, 1997 at 15:52:22:
In Reply to: [6]Re: STRAPHANGER!! posted by John on April 29, 1997 at
17:09:15:
The last subway cars in Boston with them were retired about two years
ago. I totally agree with the comments on horizontal bars, they don't
cut it.
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Posted by Ted Nielsen on March 12, 1997 at 16:45:50:
Does anyone know where I could get a map of all the trackworks planned
and under construction for the Hudson-Bergen LRT ? ( including
proposed
stops / stations , interchanges , switches , depots , elevated
sections ,
tunnels , local streets , etc. )
I want to create a file for the BAHN rail simulation program , thanks
!
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 01, 1997 at 16:15:01:
In Reply to: [6]New Website Format posted by Gary Jacobi on April 29,
1997 at 18:51:54:
Despite the flaws, the whole thing is working much better! Thank you
Dave.
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Posted by Gerry O'Regan on May 01, 1997 at 16:30:17:
In Reply to: [6]what is the acceleration and decel of subways posted
by jon on April 29, 1997 at 12:32:09:
I worked out a simulation recently, and found that if you use an
accelleration/decelleration rate of about 2.5 mphps and a running
speed of about 35mph you can come pretty close to the NYCT published
schedule times. Unfortunately I don't remember the station dwell time
that I used to do this but if you are interested I will post the exact
numbers. On the No. 1 train, where there are no interlockings in the
normal operation and no steep grades or sharp curves (except at SF) my
simulation came within 1 minute at every published location.
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Posted by Jay Yudof on May 01, 1997 at 17:10:17:
In Reply to: [6]Re: Subways in the movies posted by John on April 28,
1997 at 19:12:13:
Just as a point, errors seem to crop up in many, many movies due to
cinematographic license (i.e., the need to change a fact for the sake
of the story), or (I would guess) just as commonly, due to ignorance.
Nautical friends are always teling me of meaningless or obscene signal
flags.
A common problem is anachronisms. A camera buff I know once had a
whole movie spolied for him by seeing a single-lense reflex camera,
when the action was set in the era before SLRs were invented. I lost
the timeframe for the whole movie "School Ties", because an opening
scene has a freight car being pulled by, and the car has a PC serial
number. The movie was set in the fifties, but the Penn Centeral came
in existence a decade afterward. Despite specialists, we constantly
see anachronisms in clothing and language.
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whats the difference between the IRT, BMT, and whatever other
abbreviation thingies like this that there are?
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Posted by Charles Fiori on May 01, 1997 at 18:11:08:
I know I have been out of Northeast Queens for a long time, but when
did
service stop running all night and also only every 1/2 hour on
Saturdays?
I also remember that the Q15 used to take over the Q14 route late at
night.
Finally, don't forget about my interest in older bus destination
signs. I
have a fair amount of blue/red/white, some blue/white, and a
smattering of
others. I'll take a look at whatever's out there. Thanks.
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In Reply to: [5]please answer this question in as much detail as
possible including historical and technical stuff please posted by
Lefty on May 01, 1997 at 17:47:25:
IRT stands for Interborough Rapid Transit. The IRT was the first
division of the New York City Subway System, which opened in 1904.
Today, the IRT lines are all the numbered routes and the Times Square
Shuttle. The IRT division uses smaller trains and the stations are
also smaller than the BMT and IND stations.
BMT stands for Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit and it was formed to replace
the BRT (Brookyn Rapid Transit) system, which went under, due largely
to money loss because of a serious train crash at the Malbone Street
Station (which no longer exists). Originally, the BMT lines were
numbered, similar to the IRT, but were later converted into a letter
system.
IND is the Independant Subway. The cars for the IND were very large
and it was the only system to use these cars, until the BMT and IND
systems were integrated in 1967, when the Grand Street connection was
opened. The IRT system is the only system that operates seperately
from the BMT and IND, the reason being that the IRT system cannot be
integrated. Like stated above, the IRT trains are narrower than the
BMT/IND trains and the BMT/IND trains cannot operate in the IRT
tunnels (the trains are too wide), and vice/versa, because stepping
onto an IRT train from a BMT/IND platform is hazardous because of the
large gap between the train and platform.
I hope this helps somewhat.
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Posted by John on May 01, 1997 at 21:28:46:
In Reply to: [5]Re: Why Can't we get Time schedules???????? posted by
David Pirmann on April 30, 1997 at 17:00:18:
If I'm not mistaking, I think timetables are available for all the
subway lines.
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Posted by John on May 01, 1997 at 21:30:39:
In Reply to: [5]Re: NYCT Articulated Buses!! posted by MJS on April
30, 1997 at 20:08:09:
I didn't even know the TA had CNG busses! What routes are they using
them on?
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