Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
BIG AL
Robert
NYCTA buses have run numbers, not block numbers. Someone can give a better explanation as to how those work. The run number on the bus above is "005", displayed in the lower left corner of the windshield as you look towards the bus. Systems with block numbers include Ride-On and WMATA, which also display them in the lower left corner of the windshield (or for Ride-On, in the side window of the HellDorados).
An unusual block number O:-)
A more standard Ride-On block
WMATA blocks indicate the division the bus comes from and the route.
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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Betta recognize...
And, for crying out loud, didn't u just come back to this board???
Don't start again...
Incognito
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I don't think their Artics are THAT bad! We'll see over time how this goes.
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Man that was a tight turn for the Artic coming off of Fulton Street, I thought it wouldn't be able to come down the street because it was too big, looks like I was wrong.
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Mark
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MV
MJQ
100St
MCH
WF
UP
FB
JG
FP
ENY
KB
126St
GH
Just put it like this buses from every depot in Brooklyn, Manhattan & Bronx ran the shuttle today.
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
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Quill
Hale
Ulmer Park
Jackie Gleason
100th Street
Flatbush
Kingsbridge
Manhatthanville
West Farms
Fresh Pond
ENY
126 streeet
The Artic that was operating came from 100th street depot.
There was a O5 from hale
The rest were RTS's (Nova, TMC, GMC)
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I bet they were all from 126 and 100th right?
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I only seen 5566 on the shuttle.
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Are you crazy? She would of probably smacked flames out of me, lol.
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I agree 100%. If there was any way to filter or censor the profanities (and just the profanities), I'd be for it.
SmarTrip on Metrobus test routes in Maryland and the District
Routes*
A- 2,4,5,6,7,8,9, 42, 46, 48
C- 11,12,13,14,40
D- 12,13,14
E- 32
H- 8, 9
M- 6
P- 1,2,6,17,18,19
S- 35, 41
U- 5, 6
V- 5,7,8,9
W- 4, 13,14,15,17,19,54
30, 32, 34, 35, 36
90, 92, 93, 94, 96, 97
*Note: Not every bus on these routes will have the new farebox. Please be prepared to pay with cash or tokens. Get a paper transfer as you normally would.
IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!
As for DASH, through the sterilization chamber about 4 times, then hand scrubbing will highly effective disinfective soap and then through the chamber a couple of more times, those hands might not have been sterile, they can't take any chances.
But doesn't THE BUS have to shore up the place where the fareboxes go, their buses aren't that heavy duty and I can see fareboxes going through the floors of the ODVs and CAGVs on a regular basis. And on the CAGVs, they will have to knock the passenger capacity from 24 to 23 since those fareboxes would be too heavy to support that and 24 people. Some people in PG might be scared out of riding THE BUS when they try to put their pennies in and the bell goes off, some of them got warrants you know : P
I would probably guess that Fairfax Connector would steal theirs not realizing that they are getting them, so they can claim they got theirs before any of the metrobuses from FMR and Royal. Get it Fairfax Connector stealing fareboxes, taking WMATA routes in FFX county.
Full detour info is available at rideonbus.com
Had 353 twice, on the N22 and N15! And I got lucky enough to just make earlier connections than I had planned because the buses were running on time. Only about a little over 1 hour each way! Now thats what I like! The 600s and the 300s are mad fast. And the beach was beautiful and my nose cleared up! Poor #174 had a flat in RVC and was signed up as N15 Long Beach heading north very slowly on Centre avenue, with a tow truck following it.
Also saw plenty of Gilligs in Long Beach city transit. Apparently they have a route that runs to Point Lookout. One of these days I'll get around to riding it.
At that time, there was also a route called the N63. I can't remember whether this was just the current N33 or if N63 was the route number for one of the Long Beach loops.
For those who keep score, I saw LIB #115 going on the hook on Thursday night this week. It was probably operating on the N14 at the time -- but a fair number of Not In Service runs also use the stretch of Long Beach Road where I saw it at that time.
CG
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B15,B24,B39,B43,B48,B57,B61 & Q59.
David
MetroB
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They are going only to Queens Village and Mother hale
This is as per offical MTA NYC Transit Committee October Report
Thank You
BIG AL
The only reference to the second group of HEV's is that they are supposed to be delivered by 2005 with no assignments as yet.
Since Orion is running late on deliveries of the first contract(delivery was suppose to begin in the 3rd quater of 2003) one wonders
if the second group will ever be delivered.
This is my own speculation
Thank You
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
JD
Gillig probably would not even submit a bid to NYCT, as they cater to smaller TAs. The biggest TA I imagine that runs Gilligs is the San Diego MTS family, and even they have gone exclusively with New Flyer since about 1993. (The Gilligs are from 1991.)
-Adam
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
IIRC, there was a dispute with New Flyer about a performance bond for the current articulated bus contract. That may be enough to discourage NYCT from going back to NFI. I've heard that other agencies have had this same issue with New Flyer, which still is not in the best of financial shape. All of this may explain why Boston's MBTA awarded a recent contract for diesel buses to Neoplan even though NFI submitted the lowest bid.
Realistically, the only way I see NYCT moving away from Orion is if the Orion VII's turn out to be a collosal bust. If the O7 is successful and OBI doesn't get too greedy and jack up the price, you can probably expect to see many more of them on the streets of New York City.
Jim D.
2003 ORION HYBRID
6365-6429 (65) MCH 6365 at MCH
6430-6494 (65) QV
6495-6559 (65) FP
6560-6624 (65) ENY
6625-6689 (65) To Be Announced
Last one hmmmm
David
No routes are "supposed" to go anywhere until and unless a Maspeth depot is actually built first. Until then, anything can (and probably will) happen.
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
When I arrived at Broadway Junction, I waited out a few buses, including some from West Farms, such as 8054 and 6118. During this time, I met up with the aforementioned three while waiting for an empty bus to come, they having already made at least one round trip, and MDT (Ozzy) having taken pictures of some artics out of KB and 100 Street. Eventually, after several buses passed by filling up quickly, the four of us boarded bus 9663. This bus, true to its Kingsbridge for, was a slow accelerator, but along Atlantic Avenue, it accelerated nicely. This bus had some issues turning onto Nevins Street from Fulton Street. (The next trip, which I describe later, did not attempt this difficult turn.) This trip was not too crowded going to Jay.
At Jay, we waited while I went to get some snacks and Ozzy went into the nearby Subway restaurant. We then walked up to Myrtle Avenue, beyond which the southbound buses were boarding, and if you want a mess, then you should have been here! Ozzy, Flatbush, SciGuy, and I boarded coach 9304. I sat beside Flatbush, with Ozzy sitting in the back row and SciGuy sitting in the window opposite from Flatbush and me. (I was on the left side of the bus, by the aisle). This bus became crowded very quickly, and more so because it was a platform bus. This bus, however, was filled with customers needing points east, and so few stops were made along the route, with the only difficulty being the turn from Tillary onto Flatbush, and from Fulton onto South Portland.
At this point, Ozzy and SciGuy left and I stayed on for a round trip. Flatbush took the next trip with me, because he needed to return home. He really wanted to ride an Orion V, and Flatbush and I boarded 252, which was rather empty. However, I was surprised when it went down Fulton instead of Atlantic. However, the bus was largely empty the entire way, and turned onto Lafayette onto Fulton instead of continuing down Fulton onto Nevins.
At this point, Flatbush went home, and I stayed at Jay, waiting for one of the three CNG Orion Vs to come. After letting many buses pass, and watching the madness of people trying to get to the airport lugging huge luggage up the staircase (a part time exit was the one nearest the loading area at Jay), I caught bus 591, which after repowering is now only 2 x 2 in the back, instead of 5 seats there. (591, unlike the other buses I rode, was a local bus.) (The engine compartment is similar to that of all other Orion 5s since 1995.) This bus had some people wanting to go to Hoyt Street (do people NOT read the posters; the way would be for one to ride the F to Carroll and then switch to the G train there), and then not too happy when informed that they would need to ride another shuttle bus going northbound (using subway lingo) to get to Hoyt. The traffic on Fulton was atrocious, especially between Franklin and Kingston. I photographed the bus when I got off.
What I saw, combined with what Flatbush noted while I was there:
WF: 8054, 446, 6118, 8183, 420, 9139
100: 5566
KB: 9663, 9692, 9695, 8876, 8838, 9677, 9675, 8861, 8885
FLA: 9420, 4214, 5088, 5107, 9384, 8404, 5118, 9428-9, 8073, 8334, 9405, 5081, 9425
ENY: 9068, 4987, 4999, 8104, 8908, 8096, 5023, 5210, 8693
GH: 196, 202
JG: 4682, 604, 594, 4649, 849, 4664, 4647, 4646, 4694, 591, 4650, 4664
MJQ: 9210, 9025, 8647, 9046, 8621, 9025, 8630
UP: 4861, 9314, 9321, 4860, 4771, 9096, 4786, 9304, 8687, 4790, 7524, 8681
MV: 5052, 5171, 5186, 5191-5193, 5131, 5054
FP: 5067, 8540, 8554, 4712, 8548, 8155
MCH: 249, 247, 6023, 252
126: 8484, 8468, 8466, 8496 (Orion-like bottom grille by engine area), 8459, 8237, 8486, 8217, 8213 (RTS 3? grille on the pork chop)
4963 B83 N/B
9663 RTS Express N/B
9304 RTS Express S/B
252 Orion Express N/B
591 Orion Local S/B
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
126: 8517, 8486
FP: 8559
MJQ: 9001
GH: 207
KB: 8886
FLA: 9428
WF: 6099, 6100
100th: 5545
ENY: 9071
I was on the A Express Artic #5566
BTW, I saw a guy at the corner of Jay & Fulton with a Camera.
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O.Zamora
The Manhattanville Hill Billy
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ENY: 4987,5023,8090,8096,8908,8927,8935,9041,9068
UP: 4786,4790,4860,4861,7524,8687,9081,9090,9096,9100,9304,9315,9321
FB: 4214,5081,5088,5107,5112,5118,5119,8032,8073,8334,8404,9384,9405,9420,9425,9428,9429
FP: 4712,4724,5067,8155,8548
JG: 591,594,604,849,4646,4647,4648,4649,4650,4651,4658,4664,4667,4668,4682,4694
126: 8237,8459,8466,8468,8484,8496
WF: 420,446,6083,6118,8054,8183
MV: 5054,5131,5171,5186,5191,5193
KB: 8838,8876,8885,9662,9663,9675,9676,9677,9695
MJQ: 8621,8630,8647,9046,9204,9210
100: 5566
GH: 196,202
MCH: 247,249,252,6023
For those who was there, if you thought this was bad wait until next week when it lasts the ENTIRE weekend!
O5 583 B68
NF 856 B75
RTS 4214 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9663 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9304 A SHUTTLE
O5 252 A SHUTTLE
RTS 4437 B41 LTD
NF 986 B8
MetroB
If you mean bus depots, in NYC there is Quill, East New York, and 100 Street which are multi-leveled. If you mean bus stations, then there is PABT and George Washington (around New York.)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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MetroB
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Maybe the oddest thing was, except for me and another guy, none of the passengers (the Bee-Line supervisor and a Greenburgh cop counted 34) seemed in any hurry to get off the bus and continue their trip. But after what seemed like 45 minutes or so (I was surprised to realize later it had actually been less than 15) I finally asked the bus operator if I could please get off the bus. I explained I had an appointment, wasn’t hurt and hadn’t seen anything. He was nice. I could tell he wanted to say no, but instead he kinda hesitated and then said okay. BTW, over the next hour or so, as I went about my business, I was surprised to realize, though I hadn’t been physically hurt, I WAS shaken up, much more than I’d realized at first. It was a very odd experience. How often does the bus you're riding broad-side a car? It's a first for me!
In retrospect I think what happened was this. A car coming in the opposite direction had made a left into the Shopping Center entrance directly in front of the bus, accounting for the first bus brake application and the passengers gasping. And then, as the bus operator released the brakes, another car followed the first and didn't make it, winding up virtually welded to the Orion's front bumper.
Hey, it coulda been a whole lot worse!
1. Camp trip to Toronto. Apparently the driver of our bus fell alseep and the bus started drifting to the right(I cuda sworn I saw the bus next to us getting closer and closer), then we hit the other camp bus next to us. We pulled over. The mirror on the bus we hit had fallen off. We finally got it fixed somehow, I think tape, when the mirrors on our bus fell off! LOL. All in all, we lost about 2.5 hrs cuz of this stupid thing. BTW, it was Academy. lol.
2. N23 to Mineola. I wont state the drivers name. We just turned onto Warner Av. Made the Roslyn RR stop. Then we started going wen a plumbing van rear-ended us.
3. Same exact bus ride, still on my way to Mineola. Now on Willis av(only about 3 miles from the previous accident), a Semi stops short cuz the driver I guess just realizes he was supposed to turn right onto the LIE service rd. We rear ended him. He musta not felt it somehow, cuz he just drove off.
On the way home from Mineola, it was the same driver. Commin around a turn on Port Washington BLVD, just after Let There Be Bagels, some idiots who's parked opens his door. We swerve and just miss it. Bad day for that driver. We joke about it every time I'm on his bus though.
I can only wonder how the bus looked when he pulled in, and how that poor driver may have become the laughingstock of LI Bus. (Oh wait, the stock of buses is already something to laugh at, and then cry!)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Nah, Johnny Boy will always be the laughing stock of LIB. Laughing stock along with lots of other things, such as prick, asshole, and sellfish bastard. lol. The driver in these accidents though has redeemed himself quite a few times.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BIG AL
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BIG AL
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Why is this A shuttle happening? Is there something wrong with the (A) Line?
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Manhattanville: 8751, 8782, 8791, 8798
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939, 8941, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9089, 9100-9101, 9105, 9176-9185
Fresh Pond: 9164, 9166-9167, 9169, 9171, 9173-9175
West Farms: 9111, 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939, 8941, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9089, 9100-9101, 9105, 9107, 9176-9185
Fresh Pond: 9164, 9166-9167, 9169, 9171, 9173-9175
West Farms: 9111, 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939, 8941, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9100-9101, 9105, 9107, 9176-9185
Fresh Pond: 9164, 9166-9167, 9169, 9171, 9173-9175
West Farms: 9111, 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
BIG AL
Manhattanville: 8751, 8782, 8791, 8798
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939, 8941, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9056, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9100-9101, 9105, 9107, 9176-9185
Fresh Pond: 9164, 9166-9167, 9169, 9171, 9173-9175
West Farms: 9111, 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
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B68-#7598-orion VII
B82-#8909-NOVABUS
Guess Jay will not be complaining anymore, but all of the old buses are getting dumped in MY neck of the woods! -)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Jay
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Where is this depot located?(I heard somewhere on Grand Av but where?)
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I'd just like to ask frontier to put a metro newspaper stand at the Plymouth Meeting Mall.
I know WMATA has several depots which also serve as sales outlets (4 Mile Run, Landover, Northern, Royal, Southeastern, and Western); SEPTA also has depots that double as sales outlets - Allegheny, Callowhill, Comly, and Southern. I don't think Frontier is a sales outlet, however in the past, I've seen public notices that indicated that tariff documents are available for inspection at the depot.
As far as anyone wanting to come in and photo the buses, our agency is pretty open -- if you are WITH an agency employee, it is okay. I have taken MANY bus fans on tours of our yards. The only thing we have to do is borrow a reflective safety vest for our guest and wear one ourselves. The particular yard I work at is laid out rather well, so there's plenty of room -- if a bus needs to be moved for a photo angle, I've done it for bus fans. The other twoyards we have are tight and busier so it's harder to reposition equipment for photos. (Plus it helps whenever we have some special piece of equipment at our yard I always photograph it and give otu base manager 8x10's....)
Does anyone know the Q-60 is exempt from this closure or has the terminal been moved during this closure?
There is nothing on the GBL website.
The only exception allowed is the Q 60 which proceeds west for about 300 feet to Second Avenue and, I suppose, any City Vehicles going into the old trolley terminal which now a storage facility.
I have just uploaded some pictures into a new album titled "MSBA" in transitgallery.com. Plenty of bus shots. The link is below:
Hopefully below is the link:
It was a dead link. It should be working now
Of course the N46/47/48/49 have had a variety of routings dating even back to when they were the N38A/38B/39C/39D.
CG
-Adam
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I'm not sure which Gillig that is in the photo, but I do know that eventually MSBA had replaced curtain rollsigns with digital ones in BOTH the Gilligs and Orion Vs.
You got more OLD MSBA bus pics? I love the Grummans and Flxibles. I remember living on Wexford Terrace (a block north of Hillside Av) I would see those buses fly up and down Hillside Av dominating the N22, N22A and N24! Ah, the memories!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NASSAU COUNTY!!!!!!
Wayne
Wayne
B1-#9336-NOVABUS
B3-#4452-TMCRTS
Also, my html is not the best so the url is exactly as follows:
http://photos.transitgallery.com/Far-Rockaway-A-Train-Albums
Any of these still around, not operating of course, but in a museum or w/e?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Michael
Washington, DC
Also, my html is not the best so the url is EXACTLY as follows:
http://photos.transitgallery.com/Far-Rockaway-A-Train-Albums
That should take you straight to my page.
Enjoy
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Take a close look, this is not a TA bus.
As you see, I have a little something for everyone.
Please enjoy and let me know what you think?
Thank you.
:-) Andrew
Thanks for the compliment.
Michael
Washington, DC
Michael
Washington, DC
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Well , I always wanted to ride the "K" bus , so I did it today.I rode the EL from 69th St., but I couldn't get any tokens , because the machines were out, so I had to ride to Frankford/Bridge to buy tokens and then walk back to Arrott terminal, the next EL stop down to catch the "K".
(I had a token to use at 69th St.) .(I hate paying $2.00 cash fare, it just irritates me.) Well, I walked down Frankford Ave, and had 7 minutes to spare, and a "K" turns the corner and leaves 7 minutes early! So me and a bunch of other angry passengers waited another 1/2 hour for the next one. That's a criminal offense, leaving early.
Your follower gets hammered! Where are the SEPTA supervisors when you need them!
Chuck Greene
Do we really want to know where they are, provided SEPTA even has them?
As for your token incident, sounds typical. You can hunt the post from June where I talk about having to walk to a whole other station just to get tokens.
Chuck Greene
No problems with most of the buses except for the N81 back to Hicksville. The bus is sitting there in the lot at Sunrise mall, and the operator doesnt actually enter the bus until 5:16pm, already 2 minutes behind scheduled departure. Then he sits there for another 5 minutes and doesnt actually show up until 5:21pm. When I board the bus smells like smoke, so I guess the guy was having a smoke in the bus on our time. We were supposed to arrive in Hicksville at 5:58pm, enough time to make the 6:04pm N22. But as one would know with LIB, 5 min is rarely enough to make a connection. And even though Mr.leave late drove like a maniac we got loaded up and slowed down, and arrived at 6:04pm to see the 22 pull away. Even though it only delayed me a little while (20 min) I am going to report that operator to the MTA.
Otherwise it was just another typical summer day. Oh, thats right, summer is over. Well it sure dont feel like it! At least there's a sea breeze so we get some relief at night! Only places with a/c in these off season heatwaves are the malls. None of the buses had any a/c on.
Following is yesterday's bus log
N35 ROOSEVELT FIELD #148
N27 GLEN COVE #387
N27 ROOSEVELT FIELD #184
N22 HICKSVILLE #197
Sounds like the people who evade the Delaware toll on I-95 by taking the last exit in Delaware, going through Newark, DE, and then entering 95 again in Elkton, MD, the first Maryland exit, just south of the toll booth. While it is legal and can save time if there is a long line at the toll booth, provided you take this detour when there is no backup, do you end up using more gas and not lose significant time? Though my source on this says that it is "nearly the same" (I don't argue with this person over gas milages and time savings, he will do anything to save a few cents and places no monetary value on his time), I have my doubts, and wonder if the money you spent for LIB trips to and from this Walmart caused you to spend just as much or more on the batteries.
Seems like a very selfish thing for QSC to do just to save some fuel.
Now, I think you most know that I have nothing to do with the Transportation dept., but it's my observation that passengers complain a lot about the A/C, so if it's a toss up as to wether or not they need to turn it on, it stays off. They can always open the window :-(
Do those the buses stay in a yard or a manhattan depot until the pm rush or do the buses go back to SI then come back to manhattan for pm rush service to SI?
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Where is this from, and was it ever used?
Thanks
I think the bus you are referring to was a rebuilt from a wreck. Don't know the fleet number, but I saw that bus at the 2002 Bus Roadeo at Floyd Bennet Field. It was used to distribute a T-shirt and other goodies that each participant received.
The bus is probably used for events like that, sort of a mobile canteen type vehicle. It's not used in revenue service
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Wayne
Robert
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Robert
:-) Andrew
The 45Q is a bit more logical, they're 'short turn' 45s (no Bronx trip), serve New Rochelle HS and terminate in a slightly different residential area in what is (I think) the Quaker Ridge sect of northern New Rochelle. (Rob and Laura Petrie territory ;-D ) The 45Q also connects with the 63 Scarsdale-White Plains. This might be a holdover from routes once operated by a small private called Beechmont Bus Co. (BTW, the 63 was originally operated by a small private called Scarsdale Bus Co.)
Me, the big three of buses goes as follows.....
(1) GMC-RTS-04 (Houston Series 1901-2188): The G.O.A.T of buses. Nothing lasted longer under the most unfavorable circumstances of intense market competition, unprofitablility of bus manufacturing, ADA regulations, EPA regulations, and government funding and rules. The New Looks would never have survived under such conditions, they were bred in a time of no competition, when wheelchair patrons were a non-issue, and equipment was run off the wheels because the government wasn't giving money to replace them every 12 years. The RTS was the industry standard, a bus way ahead of it's time. Relaible, durable, and beautiful. It's only downfall, driver ergonomics. But, for anyone to say the RTS-04 and later models were anything less than spectacular is a blithering idiot, and I don't care if they are in the bus industry or not. Even the fiberglass Nova's can take a ton of punishment.
(2) Grumman-Flxible 870 (Houston Series 1600-1699): You will never hear me call this a good bus. You will however hear me call this bus a shitbox, crap, or overrated by nostalgic Flxible lovers. That being said, this bus was one of the most fun buses to ride, in fact more fun than the RTS. It's wild, leaning turns, jellyroll seats (in Houston), jerkyness, intense, loud rattling, hot rod posture, black girl backside and bouncyness, and raised exhaust are what makes this bus great. I miss riding these beasts, I do. 18 years in Houston, dogging it all the way.
(3) New Flyer D40LF (Houston Series 4000-4156): I HATE the ones we have made after the year 2000, but the 1996-1998 models give the venerable RTS an Grummans a run for their money. There is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, like riding one of these babies, the DD Series 50, Allison B400, New Flyers on a fast line hearing that sweeeeeet sing song whine as it accelerates and especially when it de-accelerates. Like a forlong ghost. Beautiful. They are holding up extremely well too. They still have that Rubbing Alcohol smell I love so much. And that deep, throaty sound they make as they pull off. Wonderful. And to think, I used to HATE these things. What a fool I was. What a fool I was.
So, what will you all have fond memories of?
First and foremost I'll miss the Grumman 870/Flxible Metro. I enjoyed nearly all of the powertrain variations, but the DD 8V-71N/Allison V731 was the best music to my ears - not to mention the performance. Also nothing has the great Flxible lean and as you said the "Hot Rod" posture. I always referred to it as an aggressive stance. When I lived in NYC I was devestated when the TA withdrew the 870, but since I've been in the DC area I've been enjoying the WMATA and Baltimore MTA Flx Metro. It was a sad day for me when production ended since that meant the numbers of Metros would only decline.
A close second for me would be the GMC/GMDD New-Looks. I think these buses are the equivalent of the workhorse Redbird subway cars (R-26, 28, 29, 33, 36) being discussed on SubTalk.
I'd also miss some intercity buses specifically the Eagle 05, MCI MC7-9 and the 102D3.
I do think many buses (intercity and transit) are quite boring, but I've quickly growing fond of WMATA's C40LF. Haven't ridden NYCTA's that many times.
Wayne
The RTS-04 bus, that is a true passenger tank, as demonstrated when a Green Lines bus crashed earlier this year in South Jamaica. Even though the bus will have to be scrapped, only the front end was wrecked! Despite not being the cheapest bus on the market, it says something when a TA orders the same model for 18 straight years! Solid as a rock!
The Classics (NYCDOT, 1988-1989 and the three GMDD ones from 1984) are just as solid as the Classic! On the suburban models, the only drawback is that the aisle is so small, especially for a 102" bus. The ones which have been retired so far are finding a second life up in Canada.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
1.) The Orion I, one of the best buses ever built to my opinion. Though they may be 11 years old, they are still as solid and in mint condition as they were when they were brand new. I love their powerful powertrains such as the 6v92 with an Allison HT series, though they are very jerky, they are still very good strong running buses. And you can't forget that Genuine Orion I BOUNCE!
2.)The 870/Flxible Metro series, second behind the Orion I. I love their design with the square windows and the high raised rear ass ;-) I love them best with the old 6v92/V730 powertrain, talk about acoustics. And you can't forget their ultra-smooth suspension and Flixble trademark lean.
3.) The Orion V, although they still have a long ways to go, they are one of the best transit buses still being produced today. Solid, Comfortable, and POWERFUL, I will miss these beasts when they stop being produce and retired (a LONG ways from now).
The V8 Flxibles [53102-8-1-TNJ ,53096-8-1-TNJ,SEPTA,MSBA,WMATA, 45096-8-1-SEPTA]
the growl of these engines screamed POWER! On the SEPTA 45096's, they took off like rocket ships.
The V8 GMC Fishbowls [T8H5307, 5306 - WMATA, NYCDOT] The WMATA buses were the first time I rode a V8 Fishbowl, and the engine had a slightly different sound than the Flxes, but they screamed POWER also.
Flxible Metro post 1985. It seems that Flxible got its act together starting in 1985 and put together a solid bus. The ones with Cummins engines [L10, M11] are the best so far.
Neoplan AN440 - The best ones were the buses SEPTA got between 1982-85 [8285-8584/8601-8875/1301-25]. The engine had a deep roar. The 3000-3491 series had that light sound caused by the turbocharger.
Actually I think the buses to watch are the composites. If those NABIs hold up, that will be the future of heavy duty vehicle construction. See THIS ARTICLE from the July BusRide to read about the construction process. They are pretty much poured into and broken out of a mold.
I heard New Flyer was in the crapper over the relative failure of the Invero model. Is that true?
Mike
1)First and foremost the Flxible Metro, especially the WMATA 93's, 94's , 97s with the Cummins L-10 engines. I also like the 87s, and now I am a little more fond of them, now they are about to be bus history. That Flxible lean and raised rear are some of the things that go me hooked on this model.
2)The Flxible new looks, the 8Vs were the best, fast and enjoyable to ride, don't why a mass majority were retired early though.
3)The GM new looks also with the 8Vs, these were slightly faster than the Flxible 8Vs, I just wish they ran from Landover. I remember 6482(6V) had the coldest a/c, good to get that bus on a hot day.
4)I also would throw in the Orion VI, and if it is true they are not being made anymore, it would be a sad thing to hear.If not for the seating, I would really love them. The ones WMATA has are quick and nimble.
The 8700s (well, i rode an 8800 bus) are in great condition for their age as far as I can tell.
2) SEPTA Neoplans, of course! The best tranny/engine combo EVER! Long live 3107! It's so much fun to listen to. Also, I find myself thinking about the 8000 series Neoplans, which roared like a fire engine!
3) Ride-On's Orion Is. They made my fall in love with the 6v92TA engine with the Allison tranny. plus, they were my first new Ride-On bus, and I got to sit in the driver's seat when they were brand new!
4) Ride On's 2001-02 Orion Vs. They sound awesome with the EGR DD50s, and also are extremely fast with their Voith tranny, giving New Flyers a run for the money. Not to mention the fact that with the a/c on, they kinda sound like an Orion I when stopping (an added plus!). Also, the length of time the back door takes to close always makes me laugh.
5) Last, but not least, SEPTA's El Dorado Transmark REs. They are so much fun to ride! Some people may complain about the bounce (for those who don't know, think Orion I), but I love it! Plus, there is a good amount of leg room (of course, I'm talking about the back two forward facing rows). Besides, who would think that a 30ft bus that looks small for its size would have an engine that makes it sound like a big rig? Plus, it gave me that "El Dorado" phrase.
I can't imagine what SEPTA and WMATA would be like without those buses. Ride-On would be interesting to see, though.
- Early GMC New Look buses, particularly the TDH-5301’s and TDH-5302’s. I grew up riding the ex-Eastern Mass. 5301’s on the MBTA in the Boston area.
- The MBTA’s 1972 Flxible express buses (#7050-7099) with the 8V-71 engine. The fastest buses I can remember.
- The 30-foot versions of ‘real’ transit buses – everything from the ‘Baby Old Looks’ to the GMC and Flxible New Looks to the Orion I’s to the mini RTS and Orion V’s. They’re so cute!
- The RTS-06 with the 6V-92 series engines.
- The Orion V, especially with the 6V-92. It has a no-nonsense, ‘means business’ look and is hands down a better-looking coach than the high-floor buses from Gillig, NABI/Ikarus, Neoplan and New Flyer.
- The New Flyer low-floor – the most handsome low-floor bus to date.
All in all, I like most buses. There are a few I’m not crazy about, like the Gillig Phantom (the plainest of the ‘box’ buses, IMHO). And I just cannot stand the Nova LFS. But I’ve been a bus fan long enough to know that the buses you grow up with are like a person’s first love – you will never feel the same way about another bus. And yet I’ve still remained a bus fan in the 21 years since the old Eastern Mass 5302’s were retired, and over time have developed a real enthusiasm for many of the buses that have come on the scene during the past two decades.
GMC-RTS-04 (Houston Series 1901-2188): The G.O.A.T of buses. Nothing lasted longer under the most unfavorable circumstances of intense market competition, unprofitablility of bus manufacturing, ADA regulations, EPA regulations, and government funding and rules. The New Looks would never have survived under such conditions, they were bred in a time of no competition, when wheelchair patrons were a non-issue, and equipment was run off the wheels because the government wasn't giving money to replace them every 12 years.
You didn't think I was going to let you get away with such a remark about my New Look bus, did you? ;)
I don’t believe one can really compare the New Look to the RTS (and either of these to today’s new buses, for that matter) because each was so inextricably a product of its time. The RTS and the 870 ADB’s were seen for many years as overbuilt, ‘Cadillac’ buses by many in the transit industry, and this backlash led first to the sale of GM-Canada New Looks and Flyer buses in the U.S. and later to the success of Gillig, Orion, Neoplan and other builders of ‘standard buses’. Had the RTS been developed by GMC ten years later than it was, it probably would have been a more utilitarian bus. Most of today’s bus builders have eschewed the unique production methods developed by GMC and Grumman, and build their buses more or less similar to how the New Look buses were built.
Jim D.
1993 Volvo 940 with turbocharged engine
Of course, some slowpoke had to be in front of me on Democracy Boulevard. I wanted to see how fast I could go in Bucks Branch Park.
Oh and BTW, here is today's bus log, I'm sure you'll look forward to it. :-)
11/5/03
N22 JAMAICA #640
N27 GLEN COVE #190
N27 GLEN COVE #354 (10m late)
Sorry there arent anymore buses but a friend took me home from my appointment. I tell ya it poured though, they 25a closed east of Greenvale due to flooding (wonder what happened with the N20?). You really needed a Hummer tonight!
Secondly, after getting off of the BxM11 at Gun Hill Road, I caught DHF60 #5685 on the Bx41. The bus had Kingsbridge stickers, and had that new bus smell so much so that a little kid was complaining about the smell! Spoke to the B/O and she expressed he dislike of the buses because of the partition door that the buses came with.
Did DOB decide to give part of the order to KB after all? Maybe since they decided to up the order (according to previous posts), KB was re-allotted some of the new buses.
Thanks,
Brian
BxM11 #3019
Bx41 #5685
Brian
Wayne
Regards,
Kevin
Another thing I saw was yesterday, the D8(have been seeing this for the past couple of months on a constant basis), the A12 and the F14 with double headers. Like I said the D8 for the past couple of months I have seen one 30 footer following another, practically 95% of the time. At Landover Road and Firehouse Road in Dodge Park I saw two A15s about to head southbound on Landover Road, both Metro Bs of the 87/88 variety. Later yesterday, I saw one F14 heading towards Fed Ex field, and about 5 minutes later another F14 heading in the same direction. The first was a Metro D and the second F14 was an Orion VI.
Last yet another Orion V has been rehabbed and with the other two, it has been rehabbed with its Vultron sign still with it. This one was 4204. What is up with WMATA. Giving the unrehabbed ones the new signs and rehabbing others with the same Vultron signs. I think WMATA has a case of transit dyslexia. Last was seeing 8827 on the G8(I have no idea of which garage this one is in), followed by a C40LF 2306. This is not usual, because during school they add another G8 because of the children to take that bus to the high school near 11th street.
Wayne
Wayne
Now, you are questioning the TA decision to purchase raised platform buses, what about purchasing MCIs. Can you imagine them running on local routes in about another 20 years?
Wayne
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B65 - #846
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I haven't been too fond of Mayor Street's overall performance, nor am I particularly fond of his prickly personality (which several members of the media have pointed out ad nausem). Many of his initiatives that have benefited some neighborhoods have come at the expense of other neighborhoods.
And that guarantee's that more like him will be mayor long after he's gone. Those initiatives will be "popular" in neighborhoods that they are focused on. The area's they decided to neglict and the crime just shifted towards will have all those citizens leave, therefore they can't vote him out, or anyone out of office. Then we'll have a new neighborhood for an anti-blight initiative after those demographics changed. The story will be the same, the area won't.
Besides the fact that crime hasn't actually gone down whatsoever, it's just moved into the neighborhoods with no police concentration, I wonder where the teachers and cops are going to live now? Thank you Rendell for ruining the only non-blighted neighborhoods.
MetroB
-I hate it when I'm running to catch a bus at a stop BEFORE an intersection, and then the bus pulls away from the stop while the light in front of it is RED, and then it just sits there at the red light, not letting anybody else on because it has already pulled 10 feet away from the curb. JUST LEAVE WHEN THE LIGHT IS GREEN! DON'T TEASE US, PLEASE!!
-I hate it when the bus has open seats, nobody is standing, and yet some jerk has to stand right up next to the driver and block the people getting on and off. And this person is NOT talking to the driver at all.
-I hate it when the bus pulls up to a major bus stop, and 35 people on the bus all try to get out through the front door, and even the people in the back walk all the way to the front. Then the 20 people waiting on line for the bus all have to wait for EVERYONE on the bus to slowly shuffle out the front door before we can think about boarding. Bus operators should open ONLY the back door at major bus stops, and force everyone out the back, so people can load at the same time people are unloading. This would really speed things up. The only people who the B/O would let out the front would be the elderly/handicapped, but they're usually in the minority, so it wouldn't take long for one or two of 'em to climb out the front.
Can anyone think of anymore?
Mike
P.S. As a transit bus driver I've never had to do this, but I understand.
Peace,
Kevin
When he was finished with business, he set the cup down on the floor, fized his pants zipper, turned around, and tripped over the cup, spilling it into the rear stepwell.
Clumsy, eh??
please tell me you are joking
I understand that you gotta go sometimes, but on a bus? That's just wrong...
So are houses in alleys (as you suggest)......
And trust me, until you've worked for years as a transit operator, you have NO idea what it's like to get stuck on a route where there are NO restrooms swithin easy reach of operators.
It's all too easy for bus FANS to say "it should be this way" or "it should be that way" but until you have WORKED in the transit industry for some time, you have absolutely NO idea what the REALITIES of transit are about.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I know I'm not a driver, and I have an idea about what it's like to work an 8 hour shift, and I know that it's not the best comparison at all (cashier compared to bus driver). Always be open to new ideas is what I say. I respect the drivers who actually walk up and down the aisles checking for stuff, including trash, and remember: just because something has been one way for so many years, doesn't mean things can't change.
You think the passengers don't try it too??????
Believe me, in 30 years of driving transit, Ihave seen it. There are times you have to concentrate on the road, and next thing you know, you look up to check theinterior of the bus, and some bum is pissing in the rear door while the bus is travelling down the road.
If you think it doesn't happen, climb out from under the rock you've been hiding under.
It's just proper bus ettiquete...
To get back to the original question - pet peeves - it's not exactly a pet peeve (since it doesn't happen that often) but it happened last night and it was annoying. The b/o of the M3 I was riding up Madison decided to play traffic cop. First, he got behind a delivery van pulling up to the curb (within feet of but not actually in the bus stop zone) and leaned on the horn until the van driver moved up. A couple blocks later he pulled up behind a cab in the curb lane and leaned on the horn the entire time the cabbie was discharging a passenger. Meanwhile us poor passengers had to sit and wait while other, more sensible bus operators barely slowed down as they swung around us.
1. To all the car drivers out there:
The "STOP HERE ON RED SIGNAL" sign is there for a reason! There have been many times a bus has been delayed because there were one or two cars between the sign (there's usually a line painted on the street that marks where you need to stop) and the intersecting street.
2. Don't double-park on single-lane one-way streets, where bus routes run. Dead giveaways for such streets are bus stops and one or more buses. It's ESPECIALLY bad if it's a truck that's double-parked on such a street. I've been on buses that have been stuck behind UPS trucks, garbage trucks, oil delivery trucks, etc. and it STINKS to be on a bus that's delayed by such an obstruction. I've also been on buses being operated by drivers who are smart enough to do something about it. I was on a Q104 bus on Queens Blvd. between 47th and 48th Streets. When the driver saw an oil truck blocking 47th Street (on the normal route), he signalled to the people waiting at the bus stop at 47th & Queens Blvd to get on the bus where it was. Once the bus was loaded, the bus continued straight on Queens Boulevard to 45th Street, and returned to the regular route at 47th Street and 43rd Avenue.
I was on another bus that was stuck behind a delivery truck. The bus was not too far from a bus stop, and, seeing that the bus would be stuck behind this truck for a while, opened the front door and let people off.
If the driver opens only the back door, then you've got people entering and exiting through the back door and nobody using hte front door (because it's still closed).
For a better idea, especially at busier stops, check the Q44/20 in Flushing: Bus operator pulls into stop, opens both doors to let people off, closes doors, pull up about 20 feet, then opens front door to let people on. There's actually a 2-minute allowance for that built into the schedule.
That would be the same as letting people exit from both doors, and then no one can get on at the same time.
In the suggestion I gave before, the driver wouldn't keep the front door closed the entire time people are getting off the back. One the traffic is moving toward the back, he can open the front door. Nobody's going to try and get on the back while people are trying to pile off. And the driver can watch out for that.
I'm ticked at B/O's who feel they need to play nice guy (or gal) and open the doors even though they're not at the bus stop or they let people off 'personally.' Last I knew, this wasn't a charter route, so quit the 'nice' stuff! I wait at a bus stop patientely and the last thing I need is some commuter getting their much later only to get a free hop on! Fair? I think not.
There's nothing like being a little courteous to a passenger who somehow got their timing off and would have otherwise missed their bus, or missed a connection because the driver did not let him/her off where there wasn't a stop.
MetroB
"Request a Stop
Bus customers who travel between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. can Request-a-Stop. Ask the bus operator to let you off anywhere along the route, even if it isnt a designated stop. The bus operator will comply as long as he or she thinks its a safe location. This bus will still make all regularly scheduled stops."
This is important, because there are many places in the suburbs where there are either no official bus stops anywhere nearby or there are unmarked bus stops.
MetroB
"Does anyone have change for a $20?" This is especially grating on in outer borough neighborhoods notably lacking in tourists. You should KNOW how it works by now: coins or metrocard!! Of course, this person usually gets away without paying at all by disappearing into a seat.
Some people also manage to cop a free ride by failing to have a working Metrocard after swiping five or six bad ones. The driver always seems to let it slide- more so if a woman passenger.
People who still don't know the right way to insert a Metrocard, but insert it the three wrong ways over and over. The driver will tell them to turn it over, and they do- but still the wrong way.
In general, people who still refuse to use a Metrocard, even though they're readily available even in areas most remote from a subway. They're the ones who drop the fare, one nickel or dime at a time, in the box- usually dropping a few on the floor in the process. "Wait a minute, I know I've got more change in here. [Sifts through pockets, extracting paper clips, coupons and medicine vials.] You don't take pennies any more, do you? The fare is TWO DOLLARS now? When did THAT happen?! Darn, I can't find the rest of it. Does anyone have change for a $20?"
"Does this go to [a very vague destination such as 'Northern Boulevard'; 'Queens'; or 'the store by the post office and the school']? Never is an address or intersection offered that might offer more information towards guidance to the right bus.
No matter how long the line is, the first person on it waits till he or she is in front of the fare box before looking for his or her fare. This is doubly applicable in bad weather.
People who tend to take the same bus every day, and engage in overtly cheery conversation- sometimes trying to drag you into it. If it's first thing in the morning, you might not be fully awake yet. If you're coming home from work or school, you might be tired and want to read the paper, or just relax.
People who are completely unaware you're supposed to ring the bell if you want the next stop. Some react with utter indignation when the driver passes theirs. ("Don't you make EVERY stop?") Others, in lieu of ringing the bell, will timidly notify the driver from wherever they're seated: "Uh, excuse me? Hello? Mister Bus Driver?"
People who think they know the route better than the driver. "Don't gimme that! The Q34 DOES go to College Point- I took it there yesterday! You don't know what you're talking about!"
Watch out for exploding cartoon cockroaches! :-)
-People putting Metrocards the wrong way or realizing it has no fares on it, causing unnecessary delays >:-(.
-You take the front [OK any] seat on a bus, the bus is basically empty & someone [that you don't know] has to sit RIGHT NEXT to you for whatever reason I don't know.
-Someone who has bad body odor. Enough said!
As for the MC issue, it's been a least a couple of years now. It's not hard to figure out your dips and swipes.
-While on his or her break between runs, the B/O smokes on the bus, with all the windows closed. Then when the passengers board, the bus smells like smoke.
Betcha that operator had a bad habit of lieaving late, then driving like hell to try and make up time, so he/she would get to his other break early....and was overheating the brakes.
"Weekday rush hour, evening and Saturday night service on Route 95 is made possible through funding by the Federal Transit Administration's Job Access and Reverse Commute Initiative"
So, what do SEPTA's budget problems have to do with the 95 peak hour Penn Square service? Are they using the funding for something else? If so, wouldn't that be illegal? Also, if they use funds for certain things for things they aren't intended for, i guess that would seal the fate of getting more trackless coaches in 2005-2006.
In this case, the funding is for the additional service, however the peak hour service is reportedly to fund the short-turn service to Conshohocken. The weekday evening and Saturday evening service covers service after 7:00pm between Penn Square and Gulph Mills. The cuts to peak hour Penn Square service were not part of the federal funding.
I'd have to double check some of my notes when I get home, but I think that's how it works.
http://photos.transitgallery.com/album101
Look at the bus on the top left corner. What type of Neoplan is that? Was that an old version of the AN430? Doesn't that exhaust pipe look like it's on the right side of the bus instead of the left?
Also, check out the interior pic on the right of it...what a bus interior? Was MSBA really going to get buses like these?! Wow, that would've been interesting and extremely amusing at the same time!
Jim D.
Probably. Avis and Hertz primarily operate Gillig Advantage low-floors these days, although Avis may still have some RTS-04's in their fleet. I haven't seen any of the little Neoplan buses in years.
Jim D.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
I had used the B52 a few times from Myrtle to Wilson when I used to go to Ridgewood to see a friend over there
That was my first thought.
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If that bus going to do the B52, it should've made a turn at Palmetto St. and Seneca Av.
It's hard to tell from the picture, although the car does look suspiciously close to the corner. I hope, for the bus driver's sake, that there is a "No Parking Here to Corner" sign somewhere near the rear of that car!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
BIG AL
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As for the numbers I mentioned above, what a difference a trip to Crosstown makes! 9030 was looking sad before the repaint, as was 9036! (In addition, ENY is installing Recaro (USA) driver seats on many more buses, following the lead of Queens Division in going Recaro, albeit some buses still get USSC driver seats, with a whole lot less back support than the Recaros.) At least 8908, 5206, 5215, and 5217 have Recaro driver seats, though there are probably many more now.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Yeah but they look in terrible condition, look like they been shot up.
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Robert
The bus seen through the window of the one in front in the picture is the B38. I know my area well
MetroB
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However, with 8088 now operating out of ENY, who knows what is going on?
Mark
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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4600-4684.in 1987!
East New York: 8899-8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939, 8941, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9056, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9100-9101, 9105, 9107, 9176-9185
Fresh Pond: 9164, 9166-9167, 9169, 9171, 9173-9175
West Farms: 9111, 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Your attention to the smallest of details is quite disturbing.
Mark
Maybe it's a sign that I'm becoming less of a bus fan...I don't know
Nah it's just you can care less about raised destination signs, because I feel kinda the same way.
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Lord Kingsbridge
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
After a few months, it became like that. I don't thinks it is NABI's problem, but should be the passenger's fault....:(
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Plus, SEPTA 5532 and 5186...
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6919 returned to its long journey to San Franciso after a break in Ogallala, NE.
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technically speaking, GLI 6919 is a 102DL3. Im not sure at this time, but this unit might have spent some time at Americanos a while back.
the 6600s ( 6600-6619 ) are the only ones in the Greyhound fleet that are considered D4500s.
BC Transit leased a double decker bus to AC Transit in July 2003 to be evaluated on AC Transit's Transbay routes. The clip shows when the bus was entering Transbay Terminal in Downtown SF to begin its long journey to Fremont, CA. Please excuse our Cantonese conversation...lol
This clip shows the bus when returning to Downtwon San Francisco speeding on I-880.
This clip shows the bus while on the San Francisco Bay Bridge. Thank you to that friendly AC Transit Operator. :P
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Notice what happen to the Beatle...
Enjoy~
It has a new Cummins ISM engine with Voith D863.3.
Enjoy~
Brand new Gillig Phantom 35ft...
Enjoy~
However, what TA owns the bus in this pic?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Correct me if necessary.
AC Transit was training operators on 1009 right just before the Rapid Line was introduce. All AC's Van Hool coaches will be equipped with Cummins ISL and Voith D864.3 while the artics will have a 330HP version of ISL.
Enjoy~
I was very surprised to discover numberous cutaways and Dorados, for I thought this was the midvale depot. I saw a PCC car as well, and even some scratched trollies...one of them was mangled up completely, looking like one of the old non-PCC cars that PTC had, and I also saw what appeared to be one of the Red Arrow trollies. I even saw the historic fleet. I thought I saw an AM General, but I couldn't get a better look and it was dark outside anyway. What surprised me was that I saw 2 New Flyer HEV buses! Are they started to come in, or are they going on a tour around the SEPTA system? Why would this depot, which is definitely NOT Southern, have them?
Now, I saw a couple of LUCY Dorados pull in as I was waiting for the 23 home, as well as 4502. This HAS to be Germaantown. However, there were also a handful of full sized buses parked there, which included a couple of Neoplans and NABIs. What is this depot? Are the Germantown and Midvale depots combined together? (I didn't see any artics parked there).
On the way home I discovered something about the windows of the New Flyers. The inside panel is actually made out of plastic. I suspect that the overhauled NABIs have plastic interior window panels as well. That's probably why they look so filmly sometimes, and the windows don't clear as well as regular glass. It also explains the air bubbles too!
Another question...what is the story with 3316? I looked at my list of Neoplans that had the smooth shifting transmission, and 3316 was on the list. However, 3316, now a Midvale bus, kinda shifts like a normal 3000 Neoplan, but the transmission isn't working properly...the ratios seem to be messed up. Sometimes, it downshifts at a very odd time, and also jerks very hard when shifting gears. Did Frontier do something to this bus that wasn't the best thing? Where was 3316 located prior to Frontier?
I love the DKs, they are the most interesting NEoplans in the SEPTA fleet...they vary so much. I'll certainly miss them.
Midvale is at a completely different location - on Wissahickon Av between Hunting Park Av and the US 1/Roosevelt Expressway.
AFA the hyrbids, my guess is that it was to train the mechanics on the new braking system (which, IIRC, is different from the diesel Flyers). They are going to Southern...
I believe 3316 was at Southern before going to Frontier, though it may have been Midvale...
MetroB
Midvale (306)
Southern (211)
Callowhill (170)
Comly (166)
Frankford (154)
Red Arrow (128)
Frontier (104)
Allegheny (103)
For a while, Comly actually had more buses than Callowhill, at least up until the September schedule change. The number of buses at a particular depot tends to change from week to week, so this may very well change by next Sunday. But, for the most part, the order is usually the same.
When people stop riding.
MetroB
go to a lumber yard at 3 am to improve your home at discount prices!
(ya get the idea)
lol.
Unfortunately, the MTA can cut service to a certain extent without public hearings, while combining and streamlining routes is a political brouhaha.
Take the B69 for example. Who wants to rely on a bus that runs every 20 minutes? You are better off walking. So it gets few riders. So service is cut. So you get few riders. So service is cut. Etc.
Now let's say instead, that 8th Avenue and 9th Avenue (Prospect Park West) were made two way streets (like 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th and 3rd Avenues). The B69 could be eliminated. The B68, which has frequent service, could be run to Grand Army Plaza, with a transfer available to the frequent B41 for service Downtown. North of Grand Arny, the B67 could be run on the route of todays B69. B67 riders wanting a direct ride Downtown could switch to the B41, other riders would gain direct access to the library and Fulton Ferry.
More service for just about everyone.
Better connections.
Lower costs.
Politically impossible.
When will you realize that you should cut the # of silly & unusual questions?
The WhatMATA is the astonishment of seeing
1)NEXTBUS dedicated buses to the 38B on such routes as the 7A, 13, and other routes that these buses should not be on,
2)PIKE RIDE dedicated buses to the 16G, but seen on such routes as the 7 and 13 again and even the P6,
3)B30 dedicated buses to the B30, on such routes as the C18, F12, F13 and EVEN THE F4(somebody had to smoking something when someone pulled this bus out for this route),
4)Smartmover buses dedicated to the 14 route seen on such routes as the J3.
The WhyMATA comes in when the following happens,
Why would one decrease the Y8 service and try to put artics on it, only to have 40 footers seen most of the time.
I am sure other DC busfans can think of other Why and WhatMATAs
I am waiting to see the day when a GEORGE bus is seen on one of the
Arlington regular routes, seeing a CNG on a non-Bladnesburg run on a regular basis, an artic where it shouldn't be, such as the F12, F13, the 13.
-F.
1)NEXTBUS dedicated buses to the 38B on such routes as the 7A, 13, and other routes that these buses should not be on,
2)PIKE RIDE dedicated buses to the 16G, but seen on such routes as the 7 and 13 again and even the P6,
3)B30 dedicated buses to the B30, on such routes as the C18, F12, F13 and EVEN THE F4(somebody had to smoking something when someone pulled this bus out for this route),
4)Smartmover buses dedicated to the 14 route seen on such routes as the J3.
This may just be a guess, but depending on the time of day, assignments like those listed above may have a rational reason to them, such as they may be short on buses.
My thinking would be that if there weren't enough buses for the 7A and the only buses in the yard were the dedicated buses for the 38B AND there were enough NextBus equipped buses filling the 38B, I'd have to do the same thing.
If I'm off base here, let me know...
Here's an idea, but it probably make too much sense, or it may be impossible due to the fact that they may have to accept another city's specs, but maybe WMATA could add on an order of about 100 artics to the NYCT order of DHF60 artics from Flyer. Those 100 buses could easily be split 50 at Montgomery [for the J2, Q2 and Y8 lines] and 25 to Bladensburg [so the X2 will be all artic], and the remaining 25 to Northern [to make the 52/54, 70 and S2/4 all artic]. These artics along with the 44 NABI's and 21 Neoplans would be enough to run all of the designated lines with artics. Now having three types of artics would be a maintenance nightmare, but what else could you do? This system needs artics badly and this is probably the only way to get more of them at a reasonable price and relatively quickly.
Tell me what you think of this.
Mark De Loatch
mdlbigcat@comcast.net
DC Transit
-F.
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Correct - they still build a diesel version as well.
JD
The battle has already been lost in NYC and beyond - like it or not, low-floor buses and light rail vehicles are here to stay. The advocacy groups for the disabled would scream bloody murder if someone tried to replace low-floor vehicles with a lift-equipped high-floor vehicle. At least Orion tried to maximize the passenger capacity of the VII.
Jim D.
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I hope they succeed, but there are only a few manufacturers who are still building high-floor buses (Orion, Neoplan and Gillig come to mind). Limited availability may force NJT's hand sooner or later.
JD
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MetroB
B68-#7627-Orion VII
B1-#9311-NOVABUS
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I`m looking forward to seeing the other Hybrids scooting around on Market St soon. I hear that other 5600 Hybrids are at Southern, or are at Germantown or Berridge Shops being prepared.
Thank you for your patience and understanding...
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Transportation Photographer
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There are many of us who definitely appreciate the excellent content and photography on your website, and we look forward to having it up and running again as soon as it can be done.
Any update on when the Cleanairbus page will be up and running again? I really enjoyed your site and miss being able to go there.
Jim D.
I will let you know when the site will be back up, I assure you it won't be too long...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
My site is still undergoing updates and changes to it, it will be some time before the site is back up and operational...I will possibly post an approximate date as to when the site should be back up...I can't promise a quick reboot of the site, so please, be patient, and thank you for your understanding...
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Showcasing Mass Transit--The Cleanairbus Transit Page
N22 JAMAICA #143
N40 FREEPORT #166
N15 ROOSEVELT FIELD #358
N35 WESTBURY #352
Was waiting 30 minutes for an N15 along Washington ave in Garden City in the afternoon. The bus scheduled to come before it never came, must have broken down. The N15 that arrived was SRO but I managed to get a seat by old country rd.
While waiting for the bus at Roosevelt Field I saw another N27 to Glen Cove about 5 minutes after the 5:28 left. There must've been another breakdown or something. The bus I thought was the 5:28pm was probably the 4:53pm out of RF, because that b/o always does the 4:53pm. (which is the 3:25pm out of Glen Cove). The 2nd bus had maybe 4 people on it.
Yesterday didnt ride many buses, but here they are
N35 HEMPSTEAD #199
N27 GLEN COVE #309
4408-no rear route sign
4627-no rear route sign
8171-no rear route sign
8374-driver side window at the driver's area resembles NYCDOT specs
8496-engine grille resembles an Orion grille
8565, 8566-left side pork chop panel has openings like NYCDOT specs
9140-9149-Cummins ISM engines instead of DD series 50
9251-2, 9254-9-hard seats on a platform
9267-odd rear grille
9351-interior like a 1996 bus
9656-like the 1999 order (part of the 1997 order)
4900-1-non-LED destination signs
5101-5103, 5105-5124, 5205-49-TwinVision signs
146-Hard seats on a platform
220-TwinVision signs
244-Gold signs
247-TwinVision gold signs
416, 444-Only 1995 diesel Orions with top tailpipes
522-Balios signs
5635, 5672- -Gold signs all over
5268, 5374, 5378, 5400, 5419, 5428, 5430, 5458-9, 5508, and some others-Gold LED signs on front only
If I have forgotten any, please let me know. Thanks.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I wouldn't consider the 9250 series buses as oddballs as they are part of a fleet of buses that are undergoing a seat conversion.
BIG AL
BIG AL
9656 IS a 1999 Nova. It is a replacement bus for the original 1998 Nova, 9656, which was destroyed prior to making it to NYC. I'm not sure how it happened, maybe someone else can elaborate.
Mark
5145 (out of Jamaica) ---> Has no rear numberplate.
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BIG AL
A J.G. Fan.
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Also, I will be bringing my PG The Bus Strobe Light! w00t!
If you want schedules, go to Schedules, the NYCT, or LIB
Here's somethin that'll keep ya busy for a LOOONG time.
Go to the Port Authority Bus Terminal website and look up all the bus companies that serve it and where they go. I was up til after 1 am doin that last night, some pretty interesting companies actually, some I've never even heard of(like Suburban Transit and DeCamp).
I usually know the drivers I talk to and they know me, mostly cuz I'm a familiar face. I sometimes ask them how ridership is on certain lines, if anything new is being planned, stuff like that.
Advice: Don't bother the drivers. A lot of drivers are grouchy, but others are very nice. Don't ask a lot of questions(I kno that's hard for you to do)
Routes:
S,O,M,E,O,N,E,S,L,A,P,Y,O,U,R,M,O,M,F,O,R,B,U,Y,I,N,G,Y,OU,A,C,O,M,P,U,T,E,R.
Those were the routes that DeCamp has, CDTA.
S,O,M,E,O,N,E,S,L,A,P,Y,O,U,R,M,O,M,F,O,R,B,U,Y,I,N,G,Y,O,U,A,C,O,M,P,U,T,E,R,!,!,!,!,!,!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Also, does Prevost still manufacture the X-L Mirage II? It looks like a very nice bus.
The 33 runs along West Passaic Av and Broad Street in Bloomfield then up Bloomfield Avenue from Bloomfield all the way up. It runs through Clifton, Bloomfield, Glen Ridge, Montclair, Cedar Grove, Verona, North Caldwell, Caldwell, West Caldwell
The 66 will return via Bloomfield Av, Roseland Av, Eagle Rock Av, Harrison Av and then crosses Bloomfield Av in Montclair, continues down Park Av to Valley Rd, to Grove St, then gets on Route 3. Starting in West Caldwell it hits Caldwell, Roseland, West Orange, Montclair, Upper Montclair, Montclair Heights (some trips stop at Montclair State University), Clifton, then express into the city, making a few pick-ups along the highway.
You can also do the same trip in opposite order (go out on the 66 return on the 33).
BIG AL
BIG AL
MetroB
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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Bee-Line attributes financial pressures because of a drop in funding for the decision. They point out that ridership is usually down by 40% on Veteran's Day and that they "can't afford to run services for which there are insufficent passengers."
Mark
BIG AL
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Click on maps, then Manhattan bus map.
As promised I'm going to post what I saw when I went to Columbia University. I even got some pics too! Now without further interruptions...here we go!
100th St Depot:
#1010 - M101
#5537 - M101 (to 96th St from W 193rd St? Why would the M101 end at 96th St?)
#5541 - M101
#5573 - M101
126th St Depot:
#5595 - M15
Manhattanville Depot:
#8750 - M104 (pic)
#9499 - M4
#9489 - M4
#9494 - NIS (Not in Service)
#9524 - M104
#9517 - M4
#9619 - M11
#8771 - M4
#6352 - M104 (I FINALLY saw this bus up close and personal. Yeah, this bus sounds like it has a light engine with that DD30 series engine.)
#9515 - M11
#8252 - M4 (pic)
#8253 - M4
#9532 - M2
#5041 - M11 (repainted)
#5171 - M4
#5128 - M4 (repainted)
#5139 - NIS (repainted)
Mother Clara Hale Depot:
#6007 - M60
#6024 - M60
#6043 - M60
#6045 - M60 (repainted)
#6051 - M60 (pic)
West Farms Depot:
#447 - Bx15
#4835 - Bx15
#6064 - Bx15
#6071 - Bx15
#7634 - Bx15
#8039 - Bx15
Queens Village Depot:
#4910 - Q30
Kingsbridge Depot:
#8816 - M100
#8881 - M100
#8883 - M100
MTA Long Island Bus:
#300 - N25
Green Bus Lines:
#5545 - Q60
Queens Surface Corporation:
#414 - Q101
Well, that's that! Enjoy and if you have any questions...ask OR e-mail me!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Manhattanville: 8750-8751, 8771, 8782, 8791, 8798
Kingsbridge: 8883
East New York: 8899-8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939-8941, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9056, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9010, 9017, 9187, 9199, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9100-9101, 9105, 9107, 9176-9185
Fresh Pond: 9164, 9166-9167, 9169, 9171, 9173-9175
West Farms: 9111, 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Depots Running A Shuttle:
Brooklyn: East New York, Jackie Gleason, Fresh Pond, Ulmer Park & Flatbush
Manhattan: 126th Street, Michael J. Quill, 100th Street & Manhattanville.
Bronx: West Farms, Gun Hill, Amsterdamn, Mother Clara Hale, & Kingbridge.
Queens: Casey Stengel & Jamaica
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These photos are currently being hosted on my server, so enjoy!
Incognito - carlwal@hotmail.com
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Post back here with the bus numbers from while you were on the tracks.
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I have to be short here as I have to run back out to pick up the young lady for dinner. Feel free to fill in the details. After Perry left we took Ride-On 5556 up to Gaithersburg and looked around (and nearly froze) at Ride-On's facility. Finally we got Montgomery's Orion V 2125 on the Q2 back to Silver Spring. Chris D and Chris G left transferred to the Y at Wheaton. Tristian, Fred, Ray and I continued on to Silver Spring, but that ride was a bit wild as this group of wild,rowdy and loud young girls boarded the bus. I had a bit of fun with them, but there were quite rude to some other passenger. I'd love to hear what the other gus thought. At Silver Spring '97 Gillig 5400 was arriving on the 15 so I bailed. Ray and Tristian boarded the Red line at Silver Spring and I think Ray hit the Micky D's. As always it was good hanging with you guys.
Wayne
"Look Ray, it's a Gillig!"
But to her defense, that one did have a lowered front end, a la a Metro. It was kinda cool to see a Gillig with a Flx trait. :)
-F.
-F.
Pam is getting there with the buses. She calls articulated buses, "catepillar buses" and I always get a good laugh at that one. And she always makes it a point to let me know when she's on a 'new subway' aka CAF cars.
-F.
FLXIBLE: Feels Like Xmas In Bus Lines Everywhere.
-F.
The first Flx Metro was rode was 9702 on the F4, then it was 9724 (F4) followed by 9717 (J2). Don't worry... I live here and can't seem to take my eyes off the Metro. It was the same when the new-looks were still here too. My girlfriend has a great sense of humor so she just makes harmless little jokes, but she likes that I have such a hobby.
Wayne
Wayne
We almost had Metro E 4011 if we were to catch that S4 at Silver Spring, but opted for the J2 since everyone was headed upcounty.
Go figure that we got the only Metro D's on the F4 while everything else were the Orion VI's. I wasn't complaining though. I can't get enough of the Flx riding.
-F.
Wayne
-F.
I could've gone for that. Sounds like the rest of your weekend here went well. Glad to hear that. Also - around DuPont Circle you'd see lots of buses from Western Division. Western Division doesn't have nay Metro-Ds. Only Bs and Es. You probably also saw some of those funky Orion IIs.
My dad always drove big vehicles (but no buses, go figure) and I had to at least learn even though it wasn't my career... and one thing I admire is a driver who handle his/her bus well and my girlfriend always seems to look at me with a smile as I watch the B/O. She's great.
Wayne
Another bus I saw in Silver Spring was 9380...a B that still sports her original colors. I was in LOVE when I saw this one!
-F.
Wayne
Speaking of the New Looks, they are my favorite bus of all time; in fact, my girlfriend got to ride our restored Pentran no. 621 at the Buseum (www.commonwealthcoach.com) and she LOVED it. She likes the styling and says that its 8V71 sounds like a REAL bus with power. :)
-F.
Washington DC suburbs...my favorite place to transitfan.
Please don't tell me you were doing Israeli dancing.
When we got to the station, Perry had to leave for a game, and it was then we noticed that it was freezing outside. We hopped onto Ride-On no. 5556, and what a ride it was. I had never heard an M11 mated to a Voith; WOW, what a sweet combo....I LOVE that sound! We rode that one to the Ride-On facility, and I got a glimpse of my favorite buses there...all four of them. These were the 5700-series Flxibles that were handed down by Baltimore MTA, the only 4 at Ride-On. They must really be running their CNG equipment; we were only 100 feet away from the facility, and I got a real buzz! Guess I'm too used to diesel.
From there, we waited for a good eternity for the Q2....which really keeps you awake in cold weather, let me tell you! That gave us a chance to see SEVERAL CNG-powered Orion Vs pull up...once again, sweet-sounding machines. Finally, WMATA Orion no. 2125 pulled up, and it was off to Silver Spring; we all parted by twos on that line. And oh yes, those lovely girls came back there with us; one was explicitly going into great details about her attributes and asked at least one of us about how we "liked it", and I think one of them sat on Ray's lap for a little bit...very open people, in more ways than one! (I'm taken, so I declined to partake of the goods.) Wayne had a lot of fun entertaining them until they got off (the bus, that is.) :) One girl even straddled the "prison toilet" beside us.
On that subject, my girlfriend had been at Smithsonian all day and anxiously awaited my return at Pentagon City, so Tristan rode with me on the Red Line back towards that way and showed me to the mall.
Guys, THANK you for showing me around the DC bus systems; I had a real blast, and feel that a good time was had by all!
Sincerely,
Fred Donaher
(flxible)
Good summary! We're glad you were able to make it. Too bad we couldn't ride more buses (and warmer weather). You definitely should look into joining us again. We always have a good time and I always look forward to our outings. The "Prison Toilet" you mentioned is not a DC area thing - it's something that's in place on Orion V's that are equipped with the DD S50 engine.
Those girls were quite loud. Although they were a bit rowdy, they were pretty much having fun like many teens do. It was very easy for me to tease them because I remember doing the same stuff - just not quite as loud. Basically my interaction with them was a little bit of battle-of-the-wits and then the other girl started the flirting stuff. That's when I decided to calm it down as even if I was available... they couldn't be any more than 18 years old. I didn't know one of them sat on Ray's lap. One girl had nearly fallen on me which is basically what started the whole thing. I had to rush off because my girlfriend was waiting so we could go out to dinner. We went to Mama Luchia where I told her about our day on the buses. She thought the part of the young ladies on the Q2 was funny.
Interesting enough my ride on Ride-On 15 #5400 there was some more of the same stuff, but I wasn't involved.
Glad you were able to join us and feel free to come along in the future. I'm guilty of not getting too much busfanning done lately. Between work, spending time with my girlfriend, errands, other friends (not interested in transit) I've been falling behind.
METRO: Makes Everyone Tired of Riding Orions.
I have to say that I like the Ride-On Orions better; at least they have a Voith behind them to make wonderful music. ESPECIALLY 5556 with the M11; now THAT was a SCREAMER!!! I LOVED riding that one.
-F.
-F.
Wayne
Jim D.
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Of course, that's just speculation from Philadelphia; you NYers would have a better grip on this than I would...
David
David
MTA
8603 - Quill
285 - Stengel
8480 - 126th Street
5042 - MV
8650 - Quill
9001 - Quill
238 - Hale
8660 - Quill
8990 - Quill
11/1/03(All times on 11/1 are PM)
1:05 5940 R46 F
1:20 2154 R62A 7
1:45 8655 Q32
2:04 5644 M15
2:22 8986 M14
5:44 8668 M8
6:07 5201 M5
6:55 548 QM1A
7:48 4920 Q46
11/2/03
9:42 AM 275 Q10
10:53 AM 3799 R32 E
11:30 AM 9525 M10
1:41 PM 5140 M10
3:22 PM 577 QM4
4:48 PM 1163 Q60
11/3/03
5:01 PM 5542 Q60
11/7/03(All times on 11/7 are PM)
4:07 576 Q20A
4:32 8008 Q54(Short Run)
I arrived at Wheaton station by car because the friggin R2 only comes every 70 some minutes and for me to get from my house to Wheaton is a damn long ride, so I just said F*** it.
I see Tristan (BusStalker) on the pay phone cause he lost cellphone. Odd though, the only member of the DC BusTalkers from DASH land gets here first;-)
Chris G (rideonrules) then arrives after about 10 minutes on his Y8 and then Perry (1C/Ballston) and Wayne (Planes, trains, autos) arrive. Ray (aznboy4305) arrives last on the C4. Apparently Fred (Flxible) had some delays getting in so we decided to head over to Bojangles in New Carrollton for some ghetto fried chicken and wait for Fred to come a bit closer to the DC area;-)
We ran across Wheaton station to catch a 2000 Orion V on the eastbound C4 to PG Plaza. On the bus we discussed various things like the DASH coloring book and drunks on Shuttle-UM;-)
We then caught a Flxible Metro-D on the eastbound F4 to New Carrollton. We rode this to a small shopping center near New Carrollton where we had KICK ASS Bojangles fried chicken (excep Ray, for some odd reason;-).
After this we rode another Metro-D on a westbound F4 which reached crush load pretty quickly. We rode this to Silver Spring, where Fred met up with us.
We spotted a 40 foot Flx from Shuttle-UM pulling out and Ray and Tristan ran after it like mad dogs;-)
After this we boarded yet another Metro-D on the westbound J2. We got some pretty good speeds through E-W Highway near Connecticut Ave.
We got off at Medical Center and boarded a Ride-On 2002 Orion V on the northbound 46 and I experienced the first of the most powerful DD50's I have rode in quite some time.
We then got off at Rockville and saw 4337, the fake me out rehabbed 1998 Orion V. Perry had to bail at this point to go to the Capitals game at MCI Center. The rest of us boarded a Ride-On 1998 Orion V on the northbound 59 and rode that to Shady Grove. At Shady Grove we walked toward Ride-On's Gaithersburg garage and Ray and Fred hit up the porta potties at a construction site nearby. One of them ended up stuck in the porta potty for some unknown reason;-)
After this we walked towards the garage and looked at what they had. After this we went up to the top level of the parking structure at Shady Grove and got elevated views of the Shady Grove Metrorail shops and Gaithersburg garage.
After this we decided to head back to Shady Grove and catch a Q2 out of there to head home. Nothing came for a long time, but we were teased by a slew of Ride-On's 1999 Orion V CNG's. Time kept ticking and the Q2 was late as F***. Then here comes the Q2 nearly back to back. We boarded a 2000 Orion V and there was a 1998 Orion V. Suffice to say the bus was standing room only leaving Shady Grove. Then it reaches Rockville;-) Can you say CRUSH LOAD AGAIN? This is why we think we should just call them
"Why?MATA"
from now on.
Also, we discussed the movie "The Bodyguyard" and 27 Chocolates while on the Q2;-)
Me and Chris G got off at Wheaton and Ray went back home on a Q2 I believe while Tristan and Ray got on the Metrorail to get home.
As usual, fill in the blanks or correct me.
Well here are some teaser photos :
After Chris and Chris got off at wheaton, the Q2 got even MORE crush loaded. 3 very interesting ladies (probably drunk) came onboard the bus and towards the back where we were. Obviously they were (very) loud and hyper, one of them tried sitting on top of the DD 50 engine cover and found herself to be screaming in pain on those bars, not seats. Then she hacked up some flane and spitted it on the engine cover, when the bus stopped, she flew off her "engine cover" seat and decided to sit on a stranger's lap. Her best friend was trying to convince her to sit on Waynes lap. "Main, he dont care, he probably get a hard on", after then they started flirting or something and one of the girls started dancing and trying to figure out how to use an MP3 player. The entire bus spilled out at Silver Spring station and the group splitted from there, Wayne left to take his 15 home, Tristan and FRED left to take the train into Virginia. And as for me, I went across the street to McDonald's, bought and ate a Double cheesburger, and bought and saved a McChicken sandwich for later. Then I rode a Rehabbed 9600 Orion V on the Q2 and man that thing was FAST and MUCH smoother compared to the other Orion Vs. I rode that to Rockvlle where I rode another 2002 Orion V on the 46 home. I ate my McChicken sandwhich while waiting for my 46 at Rockville.
http://photos.transitgallery.com/DC-Transit
Wayne, now he's one very lucky man! No one (of the four NY bustalkers who rode the A train shuttle last Saturday, I was one of them) got that lucky)! - ) Now Perry, he probably has more stories where that came from.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I had a great time seeing everyone though. Sorry I couldn't go up to Shady Grove with everyone, but having the three Flx Metro D's was nice and it was great to meet up with Fred (Flxible).
All in all I counted 8 buses that I rode on:
Orion VI 2003 (38B)
Orion V 2183 (S4)
Orion V 4362 (Q2)
Orion V 2119 (C4)
Flx Metro 9702 (F4)
Flx Metro 9724 (F4)
Flx Metro 9717 (J2)
Orion V 5623 (Ride On 46)
5 Metrorail trains, but I didn't pay any attention to the car numbers.
Hopefully, we can all do this again soon!
I am trying to plan a doozy of a bus trip, not working out right now, but I will find a way.
When I still lived in NYC I had met many young ladies on buses, but I didn't take it any further than some harmless flirting.
I think the topic of Oren's beloved (and departed) 27 did come up but, it didn't last too long. However, it was actually a bit humorous.
It was a nice trip, but most of us were not dressed warm enough.
Wayne
Was that taken at Silver Spring on Saturday?
-F.
And yes, they are abysmal. I can't tell you, the few times I've had the "opportunity" to ride an IBOA line, I couldn't beleive my eyes at how ass-backwards everything was. Like you said, the buses are poorly maintained, there's no set schedule, no route numbers, the drivers look sloppy and some don't even speak English - some are probably illegal aliens, it would not surprise me one bit - and the fares are curiously higher than NJ Transit.
I beleive that NJ Transit should come in and do a complete take over and reorganizing of those IBOA routes. Even if they contract the routes out to Academy or something - it'll still be tons better than what exists now!
Rant Overwith. Also Arguement Is not put in any order. Thanks
Considering how much NJT-related work Academy has picked up in recent years, I'm sure they'd be able to find some space.
BTW, does Bergen Av IBOA have dedicated garages (I know this was the case with S Orange Av IBOA; their facility was near the NEC just south of Penn Station/Newark)? If that's the case and Bergen Av IBOA is ultimately taken over, Academy (or whichever contractor takes over the line) could always take over the IBOA's garage facility.
The South Hudson Blvd had those old buses as late as 1989. It amazed me riding buses from the 1960's but to their credit, that line actually had electronic fare boxes before NJ Transit.
I loved those fishbowls. They were comfortable and had REAL seats with cushions. Riding on the Bergen Avenue today like like sitting on a hard piece of metal with a thin cushion! It's better than the 1980's when ALL the buses had HARD PLASTIC chairs!
Speaking of those fishbowls, the bus drivers used to RACE down a very narrow Bergen Avenue with those monsters! It was something else as they tried to beat each other to the station. It stopped when someone was killed.
The Grumann Flx buses came with shatter proof windows because people throw ROCKS and BRICKS at the buses. After about 5 years, these windows would become blury and scratched so you had to know your stop. Most of the buses in Hudson Country have gone back to a shatter proof glass wich is a much better improvment
MetroB
Someone must do something, these mom-and-pop bus operations have no place in city transit, also shouldn't the vans be illegal in NJ?
I did ride an RTS on the 31 from Livingston Mall about a year ago and it was in pretty decent shape then. Perhaps this line is still in better shape than what you've all said about the Jersey City non-NJT operators.
I can tell you horror stories you won't believe about that bus line from the robberies, fights, drugs, gambling, sex, vandalism etc ect. Having said that, the bus line has improved somewhat over the years. NO it is not anywhere near MTA standards but have put up with it for over 50 years.
The Bergen Avenue bus depot is located in city line right by the NJ Turnpike entrance. Unfortunatly, the condition of the bus depot is horrible and the buses are serviced poorly. Furthermore, there is not enough space at the terminal to house the buses overnight so many of them are fully exposed to the elements which leads to futher breakdowns.
NJ Transit does NOT want to take over this line as it goes through probably the toughest section of Jersey City. NJ Transit already has a bus line (NJ #87) that runs one block down from Bergen Avenue on Martin Luther King Drive.
I BLAME NJ Transit for NOT supporting the #87 making it a commuter line. To the Bergen Avenue Bus company's credit, they support that line like no other bus company in Jersey City. The Bergen Avenue's time schedule is not needed because a bus arrives ever 10 to 15 minutes or less. The buses do get bunched behind each other as a result of the thousands of passengers that jam into them every day. I happen to believe the Bergen Avenue bus company makes more money than ALL the other local bus companies. No other bus company in Jersey City offers this much service. No one.
In fact, the #87 during the weekend and weekday is so terrible, you're better off taking the Bergen Avenue any time of the day. The politics of race plays into this decision big time. Overall, NJ Transit only servies Hoboken by providing an incredible amount of service for those heading to New York City. For the most part, Martin Luther King drive has not received proper service since the trolley line back in the 1930s
As a result, the majority of residents in Jersey City are stuck taking the Bergen Avenue bus line. I will say this about this line. You do get used to the bad conditions after a while like dirty buses. On a positive note, the bus line did a tremendous job removing the criminal element.
I read once that for many years the per capita spending of state resources in New Jersey was the LOWEST of ANY STATE IN THE UNITED STATES with two exceptions -Alabama and Mississippi. In the writer's opinion (in an article in the NY TIMES I believe) for a heavily industrialized, urban state like New Jersey to expend fewer dollars per resident than states such as South Dakota and Utah was not only incredible it bordered on criminal. Trouble was, the majority of Jerseyites were white, middle-class suburbanites and they didn't care what happened to the state's cities so long as their taxes didn't go up. For me, New Jersey always had a kinda 'South Africa' feel to it, but that's beginning to change to, thankfully.
Anyone have ridership information for Bergen Avenue IBOA?
South Orange Avenue IBOA (Independent Bus Company)
Lafayette & Greenville (Red and Tan)
If the situation is as bad as people say, then someone can just walk on and take over the route.
DC Transit
www.regionaltransitservice.com
The buses I saw, 95 to be exact. Enjoy!
FB: 4602,5086,5098,5107,8140,8333,8430,8443,9410,9417,9423,9432
FP: 5073,8011,8170,8535,8555,9461,9475,9575
UP: 8675,8686,8688,9085,9093,9184,9309,9324,9325
JG: 598,599,801,918,932,947,968,969,4650,4651,4660,4671,7615
ENY: 4982,8096,8347,8450,8694,8928,9057,9059
126: 8218,8219,8227,8247,8446,8451,8462,8467,8481,8488,8489,8512
CS: 230,262,298,306,310,551,564,570,654,660
JAM: 5151,5154,8940,8946,8955,8974,9070,9345,9542,9566
QV: 507,4907,4916,4928,8373,8379,8381,8392,8393,9294,9357
O5 591 B68
R46 5639 (F)
05 660 A SHUTTLE
RTS 5073 A SHUTTLE
RTS 5110 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9093 A SHUTTLE
O5 306 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9070 A SHUTTLE
R46 5801 (F)
O7 7608 B8
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Personally, I've taken some rides in those liveries, and I'll make sure not to do it again. Let's go MTA, buy the horrible private lines, improve them and end this never-ending mess.
Will you carry out on my invite to the Rider Diaries? Come on, we don't bite. :) BTW, don't rely on GP38's opinion on this. ;)
Follow the forum link and drop a line or two. I bet you can add some interesting discussion there.
MetroB
David
MetroB
Yes, it's generally based on an average, first of the full-route (end-to-end) times, then the component timepoint-to-timepoint times.
Of course, a special effort is made to filter out statistical "outliers" that might throw things off. For example, a string of 7's and 8's may also contain a single 15 (police activity? wheelchair problem?) or a single 2 (speed demon?) which would artificially inflate or deflate the average running time.
7038-M7(parked at PW track 4)
9634-M1(Parked at PW track 3)
9420-M1(parked at PW track 2)
N23-Mineola-332
N22-Jamaica-376
N41-Freeport-216
N24-Roosevelt Field Mall-307
N22-Hicksville-172
N41-Mineola-364
OOS-138(parked at HTC)
N6-Jamaica-167
N55-Sunrise Mall-359
N72-Farmingdale-367
N46/N47-380
N40-Mineola-152
N6-HTC-136
Villani bus lines-71
OOS-373
LIRR service-358(had N79 on back sign)
N71-HTC-143
N71-HTC-367
N71-HTC-367(wow, on this bus both ways, and saw once in between, wierd)
N15-Roosevelt Field Mall-314
OOS-270
N55-sunrise mall-359(second sighting of this bus)
N41-Freeport-184
N32-Far Rockaway-202
N40-Mineola-384
N6-HTC-144
N22-Jamaica-139
N23-Manorhaven-242
N27-Roosevelt Field Mall-373
N23-Mineola-338
N20-Hicksville-188
8772-M3(parked at PW track 2)
9634-M1(still parked at PW track 3, did this thing move at all today?)
9436-M1(parked at PW track 5)
9168-M1(parked at PW track 6)
11/9
N35 ROOSEVELT FIELD #173
N27 GLEN COVE #373
N20 HICKSVILLE #186
N22 JAMAICA #137
Bell was going off on its own on the N27, the driver stopped the bus and got up and yelled at the pax to stop ringing the bell if you're not going to get off. I however didnt see anyone of the 9 people that were on in contact with a stop strip, not even the sleeping bum by the rear door. I told the driver he just made a remark like he didnt believe me.
N20 was running 10 min late (not unusual for a Sunday) and another bum boarded at LIU, the very same bum that was yelling at everyone on that on N27 bus not too long ago. He never paid and the driver just let him get away with it, he was also standing at the front of the bus all the way to Hicksville blocking ppl from exiting. I was toward the back fortunately and stayed out of it.
NIMBYKiller is right though, Nassau is becoming urbanized and not in a good way. Positive urbanization would be mass transit expansion, office development and affordable apartment construction. It seems all Nassau is getting is more bums, gangstas, and traffic. :-o
Anyway here are some pics of Suffolk transit buses
An Orion V #9923 heading east on Rt.347 at Nicolls Rd
Another Orion V laying up near the (now vacant)Stern's end of the Smith Haven mall
A Gillig in new paint style by the bus stop at Smith Haven mall
No where else should there be any more construction. When I saw those pictures you posted of your trip to suffolk i was so glad to see atleast SOME open land, untouched.
It's been happening for years, it's called Urban Redevelopment. We've done here in Houston for years, and it's been done in other cities as well with verying degress of success.
>>>what builder in his right mind is going to erect such a building, and secondly,<<<
A builder that knows a slum or Section 8 housing can be razed and high rise condos can be built on that prized, ghetto land.
>>>what affluent person is going to purchase such a home<<<
Mmmmmm, let's see; Lawyers, Doctors, Trust Fund babies, Business Executives, the list goes on really.
Also, I've been here for three years, I obviously DO know where he lives, he does post about LONG ISLAND BUS, you know, the company YOU work for? Anyone with a bit of common sense could of deciphered this. Guess I give you too much credit Joe. Shame on ME, SHAAAAME ON MEEEE, lol.
So, why don't you bring your wrinkled tail out of New York and see the sights? I'm young, I have all the time in the world, you on the other hand, you're on borrowed time my friend. Maybe it'll open your eyes to things outside of the service area of your subpar employer. Urban Redevelopment is quite a sight to see. And it operates on the old phrase, money talks and bullshit walks, the ramblings of a 60 yeard old bus driver be damned.
Toodles Joe.
>>>After three years here, as you claim, you still haven't an ounce of maturity.<<<
Ah yes, this from a guy who constantly insults a passenger of his employer via an internet message board for voicing his opinion and regularly picks fights with teenagers. I have more maturity in one ass crumb than you have in your whole body, bub.
>>>And, youngster, I've been all around the world visiting other transit systems for over four decades<<<<
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!! GIVE THIS MAN A NOBEL PRIZE RIGHT NOW!!!!! WORSHIP THIS MAN!!!!! HE HAS SEEN TRANSIT SYSTEMS ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!!!! Oddly enough, he still knows little to nothing about basic politics and economics. How odd is that?
>>>while it appears you're glued to Texas Bush territory and a fixation on Houston transit.<<<
Wow! How'd you know? :-) Was it my constant postings about Houston transit? Well, there certainly is no keeping things from YOUR sharp mind, Sherlock Siatta. (Psst. That was sarcasm by the way, just in case you're too old to remember. :-))
>>>I could teach you a thing or two about transit but you'd never really want to learn.<<<
No, more than likely you can teach me about making bigoted and sterotypical comments. I have no interest in that. I know enough about transit anyway.
>>>I still have the curse word book here if you're still interested; it appears to be something you'd deeply enjoy - you could learn to curse in many, many languages, not just English.<<<
That's okay. You need to read something to keep your feeble mind sharp. I don't want to deprive you of that. Thanks for the offer however, I'm very appreciative that you care for my enjoyment so much. I mean, why else would you post these little tirades for me to rip apart?
But seriously Joe, this is not SubTalk, a place you feared I'd "invade" in your oh-so-successful attempt to have me banned, so I'm going to end the correspondance here. No need to bring the board down because of our petty conflicts.
But, to keep it transit related; LI BUS sucks, because it has bad service, and bad buses. Should of kept the RTS, best buses EVER, no Fishbowl or Flx New Look could take an RTS. Not on your life. LI Bus's reliance on Orions just goes to show you what a third rate organization it is.
There, I'm through. With my little immature, street punk, cursing litle cute self.
Now, I'm going to make like a tree and go. (Buddy Lee reference for those who care)
I don't believe LI Bus ever had any RTS's, other than a few real old ones that it got 2nd hand from NYC Bus to plug a temporary bus shortage. Trumpeting the RTS with regard to a system that hardly had any of them doesn't make sense to me.
Umm, LI Bus they never had any original RTS's. Besides most of the fishbowls were hande me downs from NYCT.
MSBA inherited many, many fishbowls from the private Nassau County operators when it took over the lines in the early 1970's. Its first two orders for new buses were for fishbowls - 8 buses in the low 100 series and 800-849. It was much later on that MSBA wound up with several batches of NYCT fishbowls when it had temporary bus shortages, beginning with some 5301's and ending up with a number of Blitz rebuilds.
"there is very little reason to improve roads or rail service because the overall population density is not going to increase by any great percentage."
The current situation alone is enough to improve the transit system! the LIE is constantly backed up to no end, and the LIRR needs improvements, like the 3rd track on the main line. Also, wherever there is space to build, people will build unfortunately. You're being very narrow-minded
I only accused you of being narrow minded for saying the following:
"there is very little reason to improve roads or rail service"
Clearly, there is reason to do so. I'm glad there is no more room for road expansion. Road expansion promotes driving, which is why we have so many damn backups. The mass transit system however should definately be improved. New rail lines(and yes, there is room for more rail lines) can be built, and old ones need to be resurected. The Central is one of them. Also, a new whitestone line along the Whitestone Expressway, and then along the CIP to Fort Totten. There, to new rail lines serving new areas:
1. Middle Village, Meadowbrook, salisbury, levittown on the central
2. Whiteston, college point, fort totten on the new whitestone line.
The Port Jeff line could also be re-extended to Wading River and eventually Riverhead(as was originally planned).
The Manorville-Eastport line could be rebuilt, with only a portion being re-routed around the LI Game Farm. I'm pretty sure people going to the hamptons from MacArthur airport would appreciate it.
And the Oyster Bay-Rockaway Beach line. Re-construct the Mineola-CLP-WH ROW and fix the Y at Valley Stream, and place tracks below the A's elevated structure and there ya go. OB-Mineola-WH-Valley Stream-Far Rock-Rockaway Park.
Basically, if there are lots of people driving in a certain direction(which is why there are massive traffic back-ups), then more mass transit could be implemented.
Okay, this may be "immature" of me, but THAT, coming from YOU, is hilarious with a capital everything. Just thought I'd point that out. Okay, that's all from me folks. I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress and try the veal!
B1-#4452-TMC
B1-#8447-TMC
Quite a few Artics out there today, last chance (for now) to ride a Artic or O5 diesel in Brooklyn. I wonder what Round 3 brings this coming weekend :-P. I wonder if they would have to do a 7 shuttle bus eventually due to the installation of switches by 74 St and we could imagine what THAT would be like!
The buses I saw, 80. Enjoy!
ENY: 4543,8116,8693,8909,8911,9075
UP: 4497,91008.9181,9309,9318
FB: 5099,5103,5119,5120,8412,8439,9414
FP: 5062,8016,8133,9583
JG: 874,4647,4648,4649,4650,4660,4664,4667,4671
126: 8214,8217,8241,8247,8445,8473,8482,8483
KB: 8821,8862,8880,9666,9668,9672
MJQ: 8618,8623,8653,9017,9023,9223
100: 1018,5534,5535,5543,5549,5573,5582,5588
WF: 443,461,462,6057,6070,6076,8035,9138
MV: 5034,5042,5043,5195,5196,5198
GH: 184,186,188,205,206
MCH: 226,239,6027,6049
NF 904 B68
R46 5745 (F)
RTS 8880 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9181 A SHUTTLE
NF Artic 5582 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9023 A SHUTTLE
RTS 4650 A SHUTTLE
NF Artic 5549 A SHUTTLE
RTS 8030 B41
R68 2740 (Q)
See you guys Saturday night, see how the fun it is zooming down Atlantic Ave on a A shuttle bus.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
I will be there after 5 PM. Should be fun (as always) on what I have to say. :)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
B65 - C40LF #844
The fastest and most practical way between the cities is Tri-Rail, the commuter rail service which parallels I-95 in Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties. If you're anywhere near central Miami, you can take Metrorail to the Tri-Rail Transfer Station, then catch Tri-Rail northbound. Connecting bus service is available at almost all stations to destinations of interest. Broward County Transit ("B-Line") operates bus service on major corridors in Broward County.
If you travel Tri-Rail, be sure to check the schedules first. The line shares tracks with freight traffic and it's still not double-tracked all the way, so headways can be odd.
If you really have time to kill and you're in for an adventure, you could take one of the Metrobuses up to Aventura Mall, and then transfer to a B-Line bus to continue into Broward.
You need to get to the B-Line Route 1 southbound to its last stop at Aventura Mall. From there, Miami/Dade has several routes going to downtown Miami. Probably the slowest, but arguably the most scenic, is the S Route, that gives you a great tour of Miami Beach (and uses NABI articulated equipment). I forget which route is the most direct - it could be the 3, but I think there is also a limited bus with limited service.
Yes, the limited service is the Biscayne MAX (line 93). It runs all day weekdays on a fairly good headway. This would be a better bet than the S which goes over to Miami Beach before ending up in downtown L. A. It is frequently delayed by traffic on Miami Beach, and the NABI artics (which were actually manufactured by NABI predecessor American Ikarus) are pieces of crap which break down frequently.
O.Zamora
Ultimate fan of Miami Dade Transit.
Tell me what you think of this.
Mark De Loatch
mdlbigcat@comcast.net
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Thanks, but we already know this.
JD
The 6:33am N22 to Jamaica was packed, standees all the way to the line. Emptied out quite a bit at Roosevelt Field. I've noticed the N22 has groups of ridership, between Hicksville and Roosevelt Field and between New Hyde Park and Jamaica (mostly commuters). As usual we made great time despite the loads.
I took a TZX bus from Tarrytown to the Palisades mall, this was an MCI 102A2. The 6v92 engine was a bit sluggish and jerky. Still I enjoyed the ride, and like the interior of these older coaches vs the new ones. Had a D4500 going back, pretty fast ride going along the expressways in Westchester. That alone makes the White Plains run a treat.
I was supposed to miss the 6:49pm N22A HICKSVILLE but it was running a little late so I made it at 179st. Pretty fast ride, one of the Cummins buses that ran pretty damn good flying down Hillside ave. Saw alot of Orions on the Q1 and Q3. By RF we were on schedule.
I took some pics of some buses today, a TOR MCI 102A2, a Bee Line Orion V, and the "Lot J" at Palisades. The mall needs to make that commuter lot alot more accessible!
http://www.cbscoaches.com/images/1845001.jpg
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?17687
The Fishbowls were okay but its the Old Looks that I miss. Like the former Fifth Avenue Coach buses that Westchester Street Transportation used to run. Not only did they have that All-Business look they sounded great!
Old Look 40-footers had 5100-series model numbers, while the same size New Look buses used the 5300-series.
One other tidbit - GM manufactured the 30-foot 'Baby Old Look' buses (model numbers 3501 and 3502) until 1969 because they didn't have a 30-foot version of the New Look bus until then.
Jim D.
http://www.cbscoaches.com/images/1845001.jpg
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?17687
I think both types were excellent buses, but I always liked the 'Old Look' better. They were slower, older technology, but who cares....they looked awesome inside and out....and besides...Ralph Kramden drove an 'Old Look'!!
The driver's MAIN job is to DRIVE SAFELY...in other words, WATCH THE ROAD!!!
That's the floor on an N20 I got on not that long ago at Hicksville. People threw the bus surveys on the floor and this nut material was all over the floor. Looks like a mini-elephant walked through there!
And I had trouble finding a suitable seat because there was soda stains all over them!
Drivers rarely enforce the no eating or drinking rules. Perhaps because they rarely have time for them, let alone breathe.
Most ops have only a few minutes for layover, and dont have enough time to clean up the bus. Besides, its not the job of the b/o to clean his bus. Most buses from the yard come out clean, but after a busload of passengers get messy.
Suffolk transit buses have garbage pails in the front of them near the stepwell. Maybe that's why they are cleaner?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Eating is permitted on all NYCT buses.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
If there is such a sign, it's a request, not a rule. Here are the rules.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Are you sure about that? Maybe the cleaning crew didn't get to it.
>>>and this nut material was all over the floor.<<<
Mmmmmm, I wonder if it was because of the Cummins vibrator? (Reference to a VERY old thread)
-F.
-F.
B65#879
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
David
The turn signals on the back of the bus were of different types. The one on the left was a traditional light bulb, and the one on the right was one of those new LED lights. (Both brake lights were LED's.)
What do you think of that?
Incognito
Transportation Photographer
The West Farms Kid
BIG AL
Hey how about doing what Metro-North and NJ Transit do when they run a Saturday schedule on a non-major holiday? They add service during the rush hours and call it a 'modified weekend schedule.'
Weird!!!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
does anyone know where to get an HO gmc "New Look" (fishbowl)?
cause i'm an huge lover of this bus type.
thanks
-F.
in any scale................
ps: i'm just 16 so it's a little dificult to drive a bus :) (wanting to buy a real fishbowl when i'm old enough)
Those "Fishbowls" are nice...especially if you take it apart, strip the paint, and custom paint it to match whatever prototype you wish! I have done many.....and still have some available for painting. (When I paint them, they go on EBay....)
The bus is a good representation in terms of accuracy and dimensions. It is a non-airconditioned model.
The three liveries are: 1) - mentioned in the preceding post, 2) - silver, with blue and red body stripes and a greyhound dog on the sides 3)the same as # 2 but a aqua color instead of gray.
All three buses are signed as "Central Station" and the wheels extend out past the body. However, with the paucity of bus models and collectors, beggars can't be choosers. Be grateful that the quality is as good as it is.
-F.
If it were an LFS model though, I'm sure it'd be constantly breaking :)
but if you drop me a want too list I maybe we can make a deal..
as for the busses they look great but i'm making an 70's inspired new york subway system so i don't think I can use them. but if you give me a list I will look what I can do for you.
you guys are my hero's :)
but is there anyway to get some of these busses by the internet? cause I live (stil) outside the US (europe) :(
(For instance, I had to mail ONE Corgi 1/76 OOC bus to England, the postage was over $11.00!!!!!!!!)
-F.
-F.
Enjoy!
-F.
The probem is...the busmodel crowd is NOT as big as the manufacturers would like, so they don't sell enough of what they have made to keep production up, and design/tooling for future releases.
You'd be surprised how many of those Road Champs buses show up in places like the Goodwill Store, etc. In other words, many were just sold as toys, not to serious modellers. My wife has brought homw a good handful of them allunder a buck, and sure, they had scratches, etc., but I used them for custom paint jobs I've sold (some getting as much as $35.00 each!!!)
Started out by taking the B8 to the train station then I hopped on a R68A Q train to Avenue J then I hopped on the B6 LTD, 9184, which was my first ride on a ex-Fresh Pond bus in UP. So I ride that to Flatbush Av and I walk over to Nostrand Av and waited about 20 minutes only to see two Q35's come at about the same time :-\ so I get on 614 and the B/O is slow at first but once we're past Avenue U we go 45mph but then things get a little bozarre when the lights go out and the bus slows down so at first we thiught the bus lost power! Luckily it wasn't but it was a cool sight and the driver was pretty good then 227; the bus behind us, passed us and when we hit Newport Av he goes no more than 25mph all the way to B116 causing me to miss the Q53 by a block >:-(. I see the next 53 bus coming up, RTS 2817, and myself and another person gets on (I take the fornt seat) then we pick up 3 more passengers on Rockaway Beach Blvd. The bus sounded like it skipped the 2nd gear and went straight to 35-40mph every chance the B/O had and on Cross Bay Blvd we were flying down a empty road at 55mph & the engine was really roaring :-D.
So all is well until we hit Conduit Av when things tempers and pure stupidity! Seeing that there is construction in that area, it caused some lane shifts so this idiotic dumbass driving a Crown Victoria makes a sharp right turn out of the turning lane and the bus, going 25mph nearly RAN STRAIGHT INTO THE CAR and thank goodness the B/O's reflexes were quick & that there was no car to the right of us or it would of been a bad accident. If you only saw what the action was like, you would be SHOCKED! Then he turns to block the car that nearly cut us off, which was in the left lane and screamed & cursed at him and I thought they were going to go 1 on 1 LOL :-P. Everyone on the bus was OK so we proceed then we find out that 63 Drive was closed b/c of police activity leading us to take a major detour going straight down Woodhaven all the way to Queens Blvd, I shook the driver's hand told him thanks where I got off to catch the train to Jamaica. A few express trains pass by us then I get on the V train at Woodhaven Blvd and its all good but we get delayed at 67 Av for a couple of minutes due to a train in front, causing me to miss 2 E trains :-\.
Now a next R32 E arrives but the C/R says it is an E to 179 St but of course the train doesn't go via Hillside express [damnit] so I take it to Briarwood/Van Wyck to catch the Q44 and I hop on 292 and this is a real fast bus so I chill until Parsons Blvd where I get off to ride the Q4 for the first time. It was 7:35pm and I was had a feeling that I had just missed the last LTD bus so I get on local 5159 and its a pretty quick ride to Farmers Blvd where a Q3 is coming right away. At the light, I see what looks like the last Q4 LTD, 4581 and I just shook my head in laughter. So I get on 8950 and its a smooth [and moderate] ride to 179 St to catch the F train and I take it via Queens Blvd express to 34 St where I catch the Q diamond and finished my trip.
On a side note, they really need to take over the Green Lines ASAP, the service stinks! :-\
NF 877 B8
R68A 5176 (Q)
RTS 9184 B6 LTD
GBL RTS 614 Q35
TC RTS 2817 Q53
R46 5770 (V)
R32 3446 (E)
O5 292 Q44
RTS 5159 Q4
RTS 8950 Q3
R46 5694 (F)
R40 4277 Q Diamond
Today was a traffic nightmere, with extra shopping traffic in addition to the rush hour traffic. Buses were running late (except for the N35) because of "holiday" traffic around Roosevelt Field. Old Country rd was a parking lot, and Glen Cove rd was jammed up to the parkway. And the parkways werent moving. I didn't even want to venture into RF today. Good thing I had good b/o's today. On the N27 we turned from the lane going straight, both going northbound on Jericho and southbound turning onto Old Country. Also because the turnaround that the N35 uses was backed up we snuck in ahead of the cars. Yeah I know "some of you" may think it is wrong but lemme tell ya, in the transit business you have to know how to stay on time. We passed the N45 that left Roosevelt Field before us, and pretty much left it in the dust as that b/o was "too scardeycat" to make time. Good bus driver know how to "cool down" while running hot, as well as economize when running late. And in this county cars are like a disease that clogs the roads, so if you dont want to run 10-15 minutes late you have to bend the rules a little.
Anyway I was glad the 35 to Westbury came when it did, the N22 was nowhere in sight probably still sitting on Old Country which was a parking lot back to Mineola. There were gangstas fighting at the bus stop and I was glad to gt outta there. As usual mall security was nowhere in sight. They need a guard stationed there at all times.
The buses were just as crowded as they usually are except the N35 because NCC had no classes today. I'm glad I wasnt in Westchester today, those Bee Line buses are running on a Saturday schedule!
These next 2 months are gonna be a mess with the holiday crazies. Bahhh Humbug!
CG
In case you're wonderin what I was doin down there, my friend and I walked the old central ROW today. Well, part of it.
CG
Transport of Rockland, older MCI coach at Tarrytown
Bee Line Orion V, resting in Tarrytown
Should there be limited stop service on Hylan Blvd similar to Arthur
kill Rd and Richmond Rd? If the S74 and S76 has it why not the S78
Why is there overnight service to West Shore Plaza on the S46? Before the s46 used to terminate at Grandview and Forest after midnight ,why
the change?
Is it necessary to have S40 service overnight?
I agree there should be limited service on Hylan - the S88 it could be - they could do away with the short runs of the S78 to Richmond Avenue and make those the S88. There could also be the S99, limited of the S79, since there are times that that bus is EXTREMELY crowded.
The last 2 I can't help you, as I am not familiar with the north shore routes as much.
It probably is necessary since:
a)Its the only route out of St. George Ramp D in the nighttime
b)While the S46 & 48 also run east-west 24/7, the 40 is the only bus in the northernmost tip of SI that runs east-west 24/7
Not too sure about the S46 to West Shore though.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BIG AL
Mark
Lord Kingsbridge
At the ferry terminal, there is a structure that looks like a airport tower. It's between ramps A and B (or is it B and C). Anyway, there are some panels on the side facing operators as they drive in. The panels (which can be illuminated) are
Roll Off
Castleton
Yukon
I figured out what Castleton and Yukon mean. What does roll off mean.
Thank you,
Michael
Washington, DC
Only 2 years to retirement
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Last night, as I was getting out of work, I was busy dropping a letter in the mailbox. But in the background I heard this grumbling machine coming. I sounded like a louder version of the old style delivery trucks. Or the sound the UPS trucks make. Or fuel oil trucks.
It turns out when I turned around it was an Orion 7.
This is the third time I've seen one and they seem to make an awful lot of noise for something so new.
The CNG busses don't seem to make that much noise. The electric hybrids also. You knew they are coming because they give off this high pitched buzzing sound.
I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. Thanks.
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He seems to think that no one else can sit there! Anybody who wants to sit there can sit there, but if an elderly person wants the seat, they have the right to ask the person to get up, and by law, that person has to. It's the fault of the elderly, who upon boarding the bus, and seeing a teenager sitting in the front, will curse the teenager for sitting in her seat, and then wobble off to the middle, where a kind person will usually let her sit down. These seniors need to learn their rights, and start asking people to get up.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
David
I know what the signs on those seats say, but are they the correct signs? Is it truly mandatory that people give up those seats, as opposed to the ones behind and adjacent to the Operator, where passengers are asked but not required to give them up? Since those seats don't fold up to accommodate a wheelchair, I can't see why it would be required that "able-bodied" passengers give them up to a disabled person (and yes, I know that not all disabilities require the use of a wheelchair). I also don't recall any legislation or NYCT bulletin relating to this (though I must say that I don't see all bulletins).
David
What about that first row forward facing seats? Is that for the elderly as well as handicapped? Is there a law abut that too?
If your on crutches from breaking your ankle or 70 years old with a few bags of groceries, nobody has to legally give up a seat for you although if your forced to stand, the operator can make the determination that it would be unsafe to proceed and not move the bus until someone caves in and offers a seat up.
The front seats for seniors are courtesy seating and there is no law in PA, at least, requiring those seats be vacated for a senior even if the operator tells someone to move. It's just a courtesy suggestion which many people now think is a legal requirement.
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Art Carney was a talented actor --- and comedian. Gonna miss him.
-Dan
And yes, Art Carney will be missed.
Michael
Washington, DC
Michael
Hey and wasn't Gotham really supposed to be Fifth Avenue Coach?
Peace,
ANDEE
B35
BX9
Q32-figures-with traffic on the 59th st bridge and Queens Blvd and 34th Street and Madison Av.
S62/S92-College of Staten Island-need i say more?
M14,M42,M23(the SLOWEST-all artics),M66 and M31(especially during am rush hours on York Avenue-that block is crowded).
I don't think there is a way to imporve the service-though how would u improve the s62/S92-Victory Boulevard is a main artery in Staten Island-there is little to do.
any opinions?
B1-#9077-NOVABUS
B70-#4651-TMC
Wayne
I'd also like another organization study transit patterns as well. I appreciate the effort NYPIRG and the Straphangers are doing to get this data out though comparing it to another report would be much more reasonable.
It's not enough to simply identify a problem. A truly thorough analysis should also develop and evaluate options for solving the problem; this would include, for each option,
(1) a full analysis of the monetary and social benefits;
(2) a full analysis of the monetary and social costs including construction impacts;
(3) a timetable for implementation; and
(4) funding sources.
Anything less is merely an Enquirer-type exercise in headline-grabbing.
The big trouble spots on the Q32 are:
1. From Penn Station, Manhattan to Skillman Avenue, Queens; both directions.
2. Roosevelt Avenue east of the BQE.
3. Northbound, making the 3-lane cross from the bus stop at 46th St & Queens Blvd to the left-hand lane for the turn onto Roosevelt Avenue.
"We saw more not in service buses than in service buses"
WELL YOU THINK BUSES COME FROM NOWHERE?!
"Only 20 of the 28 scheduled buses actually stopped at our test bus stop"
BUSES DO NOT STOP AT EVERY F*CKING STOP!
But we all know why Fox 5 is doing it: RATINGS, RATINGS, RATINGS!!!!
JD
I'm not surprised. Typical Fox hit-and-run reporting. I suppose it's too much to expect that they actually interview WMATA officials and let them try to explain the slow performance of those routes. Nah, it's much more fun to beat up on the big, bad public agency that carelessly treats its poor, innocent customers.
Jim D.
Besides, a schedule is based on average running time. It's NOT reasonable to expect a bus to arrive exactly on schedule. If a bus arrives within 5 minutes of its scheduled arrival or passing time, the driver is doing a good job.
Michael
Washington, DC
If anyone has not yet noticed, we are talking about Fox 5 DC, WTTG, not the other Fox 5 more people here watch.
Your "investigation" is a disgrace to Metrobus passengers and employees alike. I am outraged that you chose two of the longest routes in the system to base your experiment on, and then did not seem to make any consideration or mention of that.
I am outraged that your organization did not do any "investigation" as to *why* the late buses were actually late.
I am outraged that you only asked one person who actually knows more about the system than what time the schedule says the bus is supposed to show up.
WMATA has a fleet of almost/over 1,500 buses that serve hundreds of routes, and possibly a million stops. With all that responsibility, it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep everything running perfectly, and that is not even taking outside factors into consideration, such as traffic and weather. The 70 line runs on Georgia Avenue, and the 30 line runs on Wisconsin Avenue, Pennsylvania Avenue, and many other of DC's MOST CONGESTED STREETS, but no mention was made of that. I found it interesting that you did not try to maybe follow a bus in the route from beginning to end to see what can actually happen.
Your statement that buses are supposed to wait at each stop to make sure they aren't early is obsurd! 99% of the time, car drivers, obviously like those responsible for this report, park where they aren't supposed to, leaving no place for a bus to wait. Would you expect a bus on one of Washington's most congested streets to just sit and wait until its scheduled departure has come??? It would not fly too well with even more people than are "annoyed" by late arrivals.
There was also no mention of the public transit industry's almost universal COMMON SENSE rule, Arrive at your stop at least 5 minutes early! I do not think any sane commuter would cut things to the very second the bus is scheduled to arrive.
I question your "source" of information on some early and/or late arrivals. You mentioned bunching, but how did you know which bus was late and which was on time? A bus that departed "4 minutes early" could quite possibly be a bus that is 16 minutes late (assuming a scheduled headway of 20 minutes).
The "68% late" figure you came up with is in NO WAY representative of the service that WMATA provides! I ride and support WMATA *DAILY*, but I am merely a passenger. I am, however, a customer service agent for Alexandria, VA's DASH bus system, and I have to explain late arrivals on a daily basis. We try to run our buses on time but it is never 100% doable. The only thing that can be done to get buses on time is to just completely eliminate the presence of cars, which..ain't happening.
Further discussion of your "investigation" is taking place at http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=92322. While this is just a transit fan site, hence biased, you may stand to learn something for your next story on area transit.
A. More out of service buses were seen in the investigation than in service buses.
Buses have to go somewhere after they finish their runs. They would not purposely go out of service to spite the riders! They must deadhead back to a garage due to either scheduling or a lessening of service due to the end of rush hour.
B. You reported that only 20 of the 28 buses stopped at your bus stop
Buses are not supposed to stop at every stop.
C. You chose the 30 and 70 lines to do the investigation. Those routes are the longest, most crowded and packed routes that WMATA runs. A round trip is about 2 hours on those routes. It is VERY hard to keep on schedule with such a long route. So then you might ask why would the trip take so long in the first place of not because of length? Very simple.
The traffic in the Wisconsin Avenue corridor in Northeast DC and Georgetown is very heavy. The traffic along Georgia Ave is also very heavy. Since when was a bus supposed to wade through tons of traffic in downtown DC and still be on time? Also, both routes are known for having passengers board and alight at nearly every stop. WMATA cannot help it if the passengers choose to get on or off the bus at nearly every stop. The chances of a bus being late on these routes is very great, but not because of incompetence. You should ride one of these routes from start to end one day and you will see exactly what I am talking about.
D. Your report about buses leaving early is also sketchy. What happens if a bus is really late (due to the conditions stated above)? Late enough that it nearly coincides with the time of arrival for the next bus after it? That should have been addressed in the report.
The investigation also failed to question why the buses were late. If you did, then the reasons stated above will surely arise.
Also, it will be a VERY bad idea to have out of service buses randomly pick people up. There is no route number or sign to go by, which will confuse passengers. Also, it will slow down the deadheading driver. Not every out of service bus goes back to the garage. Some have to deadhead to another bus stop to start another route. If a deadheading bus had to pick up passengers, the driver would be late arriving at another starting point to start his new route.
The bottom line is, you unfairly bashed WMATA on the results of two routes which you know will make WMATA or any transit agency look bad. If you want WMATA to run on time, then I guess nearly all the traffic along the 30 and 70 routes would have to be eliminated, along with forcing passengers to not get off the bus where they want. Remember that WMATA is a HUGE transit agency. Not everything will happen perfectly in a transit agency with hundreds of routes, thousands of buses and millions of stops. The daily lives of everyday people who use and do not use WMATA affect lateness, not incompetence, as this report seems to point out.
-F.
In any event, Flxible, I have a copy of it that I can get to you somehow.
There were a couple Flxes shown as "NOT IN SERVICE"
I believe the entire NJ portion of the 129 is in the first zone, so that the fare should be $2.10 one way. You can double-check in the NJTransit website by creating an itinerary, which would then give you the fare.
NJT 2 to Secaucus Plaza
NJT 190 to PABT
I put Secaucus Transfer Station as my starting point and PABT as my end point and put it for 11/15/2003
Mark
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Mark
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I get 192 twice on the N22, with a different operator each time! Fortunately the traffic situation was pretty good today, no major delays. Going back on the N20 to Hicksville we were starting to slow down alot on rt.107 I was worried the engine was gonna stall, but then I looked out the front window and saw the fog! You couldn't see more than a bus length or two ahead.
The fog fortunately started to break up a bit when I got home.
Wayne
Post here if you are interested.
/me shines up the brass knuckles
-F.
Manhattanville Hill Billy
The bus that temporarily broke down was 7043. If I'm not mistaken, 4004 is a diesel-electric hybrid and doesn't run on CNG.
Robert
There are some GM Fishbowls in HO scale, RTS's in HO scale, Eagle 15's inHO scale, and some Corgi Old Looks and Neoplan double-deckers in 1/50 scale.
Best way to see all the stuff is look under seller "sjh50".
There are panels that can be illuminated. They read
Roll Off
Yukon
Castleton
What does roll off mean?
4200/4300/4400s are the current breaking news with the newly spotted rehabbed buses. They originally had DD 50s and Allisons and the rehabbed buses currently still hold their original powertrain
2100/2200s are just too damn new to be rehabbed
Wayne
B1-#9318-NOVABUS
In other news, there will be public hearings on the possible restructuring of the 22 line. Service to and from Ballston to Shirlington would remain the same with reroute between Shirlington and the Pentagon. The part between Pentagon City and Arna Valley/Avalon Bay area would be replaced by a proposed new ART route. Another ART route would be proposed to replace the part between the Ballston Station and East Falls Church Station via N. Quincey Street, Military Road, Glebe Road, Williamsburg Street and Sycamore Street. The part of the 22 that runs in Alexandria near Park Fairfax and East Falls Church Station and seven Corners would be discontinued but still would be served by 10B, 23A&C, and the 25 for Park Fairfax and 1B&Z, 4A&S and George 26A&B for the discontinued parts between EFC and 7 Corners.
I would be very surprised if the N7 discontinuation doesn't meet opposition again but this might be Metro's best chance to get rid of it.
In Brooklyn- B23
In Queens- Q79, Q67 comes close though.
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Incognito
Transportation Photographer
cleanairbus@yahoo.com
Bronx: Bx18 -- 480,216
Brooklyn: B71 -- 214,796
Manhattan: Lenox Shuttle -- 13,224
(all right -- that's a part-time route)
Grand/Canal Shuttle -- 143,237
(all right -- that's a temporary route)
M18 -- 257,630 (there!)
Queens: Q79 -- 185,088
Staten Island: S60 -- 69,685
As for express routes:
Brooklyn: X29 -- 214,908 (X25 is run by Brooklyn but it operates solely in Manhattan)
Manhattan: X25 -- 10,351; X26 -- 66,225
Queens/Bronx: X32 -- 40,892 (yeah, it's the only Queens/Bronx route)
Queens/Manhattan: X64 -- 166,027
Staten Island: X20 -- 28,689
There are also two routes designed for special events, X80 and X81. They run only when the events are happening. They're the two lowest-use express routes NYCT has, but they don't operate regularly so I'm not counting them. In case anyone's interested: X80 -- 6,099; X81 -- 2,069.
David
2002 Borough Ridership Comparison
Brooklyn -- 241, 627, 065
Manhattan -- 192, 834, 132
Bronx -- 169, 867, 760
Queens -- 118, 212, 741
Staten Island -- 39, 648, 528
2002 Route Miles
Staten Island -- 822
Brooklyn -- 520
Queens -- 309
Bronx -- 255
Manhattan -- 203
Total -- 2,109
Just some facts I thought I'd share...
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
David
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David
David
Where
did
you
read
it
of
ad
how?
David
David
David
Thanks a bunch David! :)
David
Sorry.
David
David
David
Brooklyn-B23
Manhattan-M18
Queens-M79 [DOT-Q67 & Q103]
Bronx-Bx20
Staten Island-S67 (maybe)
Express-X13
The B23 has more customers on weekends than the B100.
I agree with the B103 but we both left out that joke from GBL, the Q21.
Good issue to debate, now when are you gonna get your computer fixed?
If NYCT takes over Command, the first order of business will be to merge the B2 in the current route with the eastern (Old Mill Basin) portion of the B100. So the B2 will not go to Kings Plaza and be rerouted to Strickland Ave. Big plus, the B2 runs late on Sundays as opposed to the B100 which ends at 8 PM.
Why are you (all of you who are doing it) posting your OPINIONS as to the least-used route in each borough, when I already posted FACTUAL information as to the least-used route in each borough?
David
MetroB
MetroB
MetroB
Incognito
Transportation Photographer
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I remember back in the 80's when the TA were taking delivery of the last 200 Grumman 870 (Those with lifts were delivered last after the A-Frame repairs). Many went into service without radios, antennas and license plates.
Wayne
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West Farms Kid II
7661 is at West Farms also - saw it in service on Wednesday. Sounds logical for 7660 to wind up there.
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
Just speculation on my part...
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Transportation Photographer
STILL the West Farms Kid
Bx41 # 5477
Bx31 # 1097
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B44 Limited - Nova #5090
B65 Local - Orion 7 #7648
I've been listening to the bus sounds and it has come to my conclusion that San Francisco MUNI Neoplan USA AN440A #8227 and Neoplan USA AN440A #8327 are the best bus sounds on that site!!! Nice cummins ISM engines! When you listen to #8227 at the 0:41 to the 0:51 mark, you'll hear the bus in netual (as if the driver has his foot on both pedals) and then around the 0:51-0:52 mark, the bus takes off like a rocket (well, at least the engine). Good engine! I wish the MTA NYCT has cummins engines in their buses...oh that's right, they did! By the way, are the Orion 07.501 Hybrids suppose to have some kind of Cummins ISM engine? That's what I hear BUT I figured I would check here first. ALl I know is that these will not have DD50 Series Engines!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF SAN FRANCICSO!!!!!!
Hi, it's nice that you like the sound of Cummins. I'm always a fan of ISM, M11, L10 as well as DD50, DD60, and occasionally the Silver Series 6V92. I've never got deeply interested in 671, 6V71 or 8V71, maybe because I didn't grow up with those engines...lol. But it is nice to hear them as a remembrance and I understand how they are loved by others.
Ooops, I got to far...back to 8227 and 8327. Both clips were recorded at night because the ridership is lower and the street won't be too crowded that the bus can't even go beyond the 2nd gear. Also, because SF has a hilly landscape, that's why you can hear the neutral sound when the bus is going down the hill and the roar of ISM when going up.
Anyway, here are some new clips that I made recently.
This is Dennis Dragon bus with Cummins M11 and Voith D863.3. I'm sure Flxible fans are familiar with this sound to a 1990 Flxible Metro with Cummins LT10 and Voith D863.3.
DA82
This is Dennis Trident bus with Cummins ISM and Voith D864.3. It sounds similar to the open top Coach USA buses in NY.
1204
Another Dragon bus but with Cummins LT10 and Voith D863.3
739
Enjoy~
BTW, isn't NY's O7 Hybrid powered by Cummins ISL and Allison EP40 or Detroit Diesel Series 40?
Regards,
Stephen
PS. NA Transit is switching servers and the site will be down for quite some time. Sorry for the inconvenience.
The links don't work.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Since we are on the subject of Neoplan + Cummins, I might as well add this onto the server...
This is a Neoplan Centroliner made by Neoplan in Germany. It has a Cummins M11 and ZF 5HP590. Without the program sound of ZF, it sounds similar to Allison B400R when accelerating. But the "chi" sound from the retarder of Allison B400R is absence in ZF...
6010.mp3
There will be new sounds from Pittsburgh, Pilly, Miami, and DC in the very near future and all of them (including the newly posted) will in mp3.
Enjoy~
Of course any bus engine sound varies but not limited to engine location, transmission, road condition, operator's driving habbits, my recording location and passenger cooperation (It is hard to record sound from crowded routes)....lol
Regards,
Here's what's out there so far:
HO scale GM Fishbowls (NYC, two "greyhouhd" type liveries)
HO scale RTS's (NYCTA and Los Angeles RTD)
Road Champs Flxible Metro's (NYCTA, NJT, AC Transit)
Various Wiking HO scale types
Corgi New Haven and NE Transportation Old Looks
S Scale MCI M-8
Three different Neoplan double deckers
Bachmann Greyhound Bus station in HO scale, partiatlly finished
Matchbox MCI 102EL3 Renaissance
More to come.
Look under seller "sjh50".
Tickets for the game are sold out, but they are all over eBay. If you choose to buy them, be careful not to get student tickets as you must have a Tech ID. If anyone wants to, we can also ride around on the Valley Metro system here in Roanoke (if you can stand Gilligs...LOL.) They have a mix of power combos if nothing else, and I will talk to the guys at CC&T and see if we can ride some of our museum fleet. The running fleet includes an 8V71-powered Flx New Look, a Grumman 870, a 3302 "Baby Fishbowl", and an RTS-06. We also have other buses in restoration, including an ex-WMATA AMG.
Please respond if any of you might be interested; BusTalkers outside the DC area are also invited. Hope to hear from you soon!
-Fred
Glad you enjoyed our outing. As usual we had a good time that sudden Siberian Express put a damper on things. Thanks for the invitation. I'd be happy to take a trip down there. I imagine the other DC Bus/Subtalkers may be interested. I just need advance notice as I'm often busy outside of work.
Wayne
-F.
-Fred
-F.
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-Adam
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Peace
David
11/14/2003
N27 GLEN COVE #378
N27 HEMPSTEAD #347
N22 HICKSVILLE #189
11.13.2003
N78 MINEOLA #155
N22 HICKSVILLE #656
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MetroB
Robert
Robert
Durig
rushhours
every
20
offpeak
every
30
eve.
every
60.
What
would
the
usual
ridership
for
each
time
period?
David
Let's assume, however, that we are talking about a 'typical' bus route that travels from a residential area to downtown and connects with other routes there. As a rule, ridership will be highest during rush hours when people use public transit to go to and from work. The next highest ridership period will be middays, due to the elderly and other transit-dependent people making trips to medical appointments and shopping. Saturdays would be third busiest due to shopping trips. Evenings and Sundays would be slowest, although there will probably be a mini peak during the middle of the day on Sunday.
Hope this helps.
Jim D.
Yes, but you'd still have to physically count bodies on the bus to know what those "higher than normal levels of ridership" are.
True - I was just trying to provide a general idea of typical ridership patterns found on most bus systems.
Jim D.
Now
how
about
contributing
useful
information
to
this
board?
(My spacebar does work, as indicated by this sentence, what was done above was to spite CDTA!)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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BIG
AL
BTW
CDTA,
Did
you
get
your
space
bar
fixed
yet
?
I
Told
you
to
give
your
Keyboard
to
the
nearest
bus
operator
but
you
did
not
listen.
you
better
listen
to
everything
i
say
from
now
on.
11/9/03
10:55 AM R46 F(Forgot the #)
11:26 AM 6015 M7
1:40 PM 5039 M10
3:58 PM 557 QM1A
4:50 PM 4902 Q46
11/10/03(All times on 11/10 are PM only)
3:42 3494 R32 E
7:57 5608 R46 F
8:01 5531 Q60
11/11/03
9:25 AM 5535 Q10
2:45 PM 603 QM21
3:11 PM 7440 R142A 6
4:12 PM 4400 R40S N
4:56 PM 560 QM1
5:40 PM 4940 Q46
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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1)The numbers between where the older NF Artics end and the MCIs begin
2)If the Remans are fully withdrawn from service you can use 7000-7559
3)There are extra numbers higher than where the 1998 Novas leave off
4)If the pre-1990 buses are retired, that really opens up a lot of possibilities
5)Finally, I believe there is about a 150-number block open between where the latest NF Artic order will end and the 6xxx Orion Vs
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Peace,
Kevin
BIG AL
David
No kidding!
With all due respect to the bus drivers who post here, something like this has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. If you work in any sort of large organization, you'll come across no end of people at the lower rungs of the ladder who claim to have the scoop on "what's really going on", and they're usually far off the mark. Think about it - why would Command hold operational buses out of service for six weeks - it would be easy enough to get a few token repaints or reassigned NYCT buses on the Command routes after January 1st.
Also, does NYCT have enough spare buses to instantly do away with all of the DOT buses that lack wheelchair lifts? I've read enough posts on this board about a looming bus shortage to doubt that this is the case, unless NYCT's answer is to use 18-year-old RTS buses to replace 16-year old Classic buses. The press and rider advocacy groups would have a field day with that one - 'TA BRING IN 'JUNK' BUSES FOR BROOKLYN ROUTES'.
Jim D.
B1-#3962-GMCRTSII-04
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Oh man is that going to be chaos or what :-0.
I spoke to my high sources that i know and who attended the meeting which basically was the entire management of the Department of Buses
I am now quoting what they told me " They do not know what is going on"
By the way i have to acknowledge David who works for Operations Planning and contributes to this board. He does indeed bring any proposed changes that are posted here to Operations Planning because some of his bosses told me so and that do indeed look at them
Lets all thank David for doing so.
David-Please e mail me BarryLv11510@yahoo.com as i would like to e mail something that was told to me.
Thank You
Suddenly, the scenario that I think will play out goes from a 33% to 70% chance of happening. This is not a good thing for those riders. I suggest that every franchise bus rider on here begin a campaign to save your line. Maybe CONSTANT pressure on the issue instead of giving out Pokey awards might actually do some good.
The MTA could just PROPOSE to charge a franchise surcharge on the transferred lines, just like they did in the Rockaways when they picked up the LIRR line. That would aggravate lots of people, but they would either eat it to keep their buses or somebody comes up with money to stop it.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Based upon your sourc's statement, there is going to be no significant change except for the livery of the buses. What about union problems? What cost savings will there be? Is the state or city going to pay for the new buses to replace the junk that some of the Cooper Companies (and Command is one of those companies) have become?
Based on a rumor spread by a B68 b/o, you guys have renumbered buses and routes, changed the name of the Command facility, and made the garage a part of Queens Division. This is truly laughable. If Command were to be part of the MTA come January, it would the biggest thing going on in Ops Planning (where I happen to work), so I think I would know. The MTA Chairman, the TA President, the DOT Commissioner, the VP of DOB and the ATU may also have gottem wind of it as well.
I would love to see the MTA takeover all of the DOT routes. What bus fan wouldn't? But please use some common sense when someone posts something like this.
Mark
It also makes no since. Specifically in this case the Command fleet uses a brand new nycDOT depot complete with CNG facility. nycDOT is going to want to sell that depot to the TA or charge them to use it (unless they are in the white elephant collecting business). Well, I'm not going to go on with the other obvious facts, other then, the union is going to have something to say about their member's jobs.
Add to this ... what would a lowly bus driver know unless he/she was related to someone ?
If you posted this as a prank, well I'm writing Santa that you should get coal in your stocking this year.
1)Put them on the N11,13-might get somemore passengers if they see comfortable seats.
2)Put them on the J5, and I don't know put the artics that run on that route on say the Y8.
3)Other highway routes, B21,22, C11,13, C28, 12, 20, 17A,B
4)Y8, hey if they are going to put 40 footers on that route instead of artics, give those riders one less thing to complain about(well the ones that are sitting anyway)
5)Put them on the B30 and increase its frequency, that would work, it is about time they did attempt to increase it's frequency.
6)5A, the B30 of the west, increase frequency (to Herndon P&R, every 30 minutes), put luggage racks and they are set.
7)J4, sitting in traffic on University Boulevard would be easier when there are better seats.
8)Here is the best idea of them all BRING BACK THE 14 AND LOWER THE FARE TO 1.20, THAT WILL GET THE CHEAPEST OF CHEAP INTO THAT BUS!!!!!
That was just a few ideas anyone can think of others.
Hey I been trying to forget English class since I graduated high school in the early 90s, please don't remind me.
"They run there all the time as it is." is not specific enough.
Wow, I am pissing my pants in fear just thinking of the horrible nature of this prank.
P.S. You shoulda been with us during our excursion today out to Riverdale;-)
-F.
Manhattan- M15
Bronx - Bx12 should be near the top if not already
As of 2002:
Local
Bronx: Bx1/Bx2 -- 13,736,163 (#5 in system)
Brooklyn: B46 -- 16,230,854 (#2)
Manhattan: M15 -- 19,855,804 (#1)
Queens: Q44/Q20 -- 11,751,234 (#11)
Staten Island: S48/S98 -- 2,645,969 (#100)
Express
Brooklyn: X28/X38 -- 1,158,691 (#4)
Manhattan: X90 -- 159,186 (#27)
Queens: X63 -- 234,805 (#19)
Staten Island: X1 -- 1,831,488 (#1) (Note: this is ONLY the X1 -- not X2, X3, X4, and the rest of the X1 "family")
David
David
#1 - M15 -- 19.9 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#2 - B46 -- 16.2 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#3 - B44 -- 14.8 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#4 - B41 -- 14.5 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#5 - Bx1/2 -- 13.7 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#6 - B35 -- 13.5 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#7 - Bx12 -- 13.2 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#8 - M14 -- 13.0 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#9 - M101 -- 12.8 Annual Ridership (Millions)
#10 - B6 -- 12.3 Annual Ridership (Millions)
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The trip to Staten island wasn't bad last night. In fact, kudos to Yukon for FINALLY clearing the windows of scratches. Both buses i had were clear windows-i'm impressed. The only thing i did notice was Orion V #121 at Yukon depot could use a repaint-other than that not bad. Also, Yukon is getting back the s44/S94,S59 and S74/S84(though this one i don't know why) and losing the X22 and X30 in January. Though getting the S44 and S59 makes sense because they end at the Depot-the S74 doesn't. It will be interesting to see what Orion Buses Yukon gets(hopefully #475-#504).
The one thing I like about Staten Island is the good bus service during the weekends. I live just across the hudson in Bayonne and can tell you the horrible bus service we have on a Sunday.
This would
1.Boost the Bx14's ridership, thus improving service
2.Relieve the Bx36 and Bx39, which can sometimes do no shows at Westchester Avenue
3. Slightly relieve the Bx5 bus in some areas
4. Somewhat relieve the Bx22 for some
Possible routings
1. Normal Bx14 route down until Hugh Grant Circle, then right on Hugh Grant Circle, right on Cross Bronx Expressway Service Road(East 177th Street), left on White Plains Road, right turn on Lafayette Avenue(opposite of Bx5 and Bx36 turn), left turn on Soundview Avenue, left turn on Randall Avenue, left turn on Havemeyer Avenue, right turn on Seward Avenue, right turn on Zerega Avenue, stop at Home Depot.
Return trip, straight on Zerega, right on Randall Avenue, right, on Soundview Avenue, right on Lafayette Avenue, left on White Plains Road, right on Westchester Avenue into Hugh Grant Circle(like old Bx36 routing), then into normal Bx14 route
2. Same as #1 except Bx14 continues down White Plains Road after Lafayette Avenue, and turns on Randall Avenue instead of going to Soundview. Return trip would make a right turn on White Plains Road and then turn on Hugh Grant Circle.
3. Same as #2 except Bx14 turns on Seward Avenue instead of Randall Avenue. Return trip would be right on Randall Avenue, right on Havemeyer Avenue, left on Seward Avenue, right on White Plains Road, than same as #1 and #2 return trips
4. Same as #1, #2, #3 until Lafayette Avenue, then turn left with the Bx5 and Bx36. Bx14 will go straight down Lafayette Avenue and make a right on Zerega Avenue(Bx5 turns on Castle Hill Avenue so it is not a complete duplication) until reaching the YMCA at the Bx22's last stop. Return trip, up Zerega Avenue, left on Lafayette Avenue, right on White Plains Road, turn on Hugh Grant Circle
Why not just extend the Bx36 or reroute the Bx22? They're already nearby.
Bx36 is not that close to Zerega(although closer than the Bx14) to begin with and it is already too long.
True. A study would have to be done of the potential benefit (access to a community store and employer) and disbenefit (thru riders taken out of their way). Compare with the Q27 through Queensborough College.
[Bx36 is not that close to Zerega(although closer than the Bx14) to begin with and it is already too long.]
Yes, but the Bx36 serves more neighborhoods that are likely to supply the store with employees. Compare with the B15 versus other Brooklyn routes that could have been extended to JFK Airport.
Yes, I agree. Since the Bx36 crosses the Bronx and passes through nothing but densely populated areas I can easily see employees taking the Bx36. I think the Bx22 would also bring lots of employees.
Wayne
Bx37(new bus) could run a similar route to the Bx36 with a few differences and run to the Home Depot 7am-10pm
If the entire 2 way Zerega Avenue(below Westchester Av) ever needed an N/S bus I would use the Bx31(to Westchester Avenue, then with the Bx4 to Westchester Square), but that will make the route even longer
Wayne
8820, 417, 436, 5033, 5038, 1011, 5531, 5596, 5593, 5555, 5565, 1020, 8825, 9325, 8556, 943, 9052, 9442, 8442, 201, 117, 6119, 5450, 6069, 5125, 5055, 5151, 9447, & 9585.
Depots Running the shuttle:
126th Street
Jackie Gleason
Manhattanville
West Farms
Gun Hill
Casey Stengel
Jamaica
Flatbush
Fresh Pond
East New York
Ulmer Park
Queens Village
Michael J. Quill
100th Street
Here are some pics:
Don't Laugh...LOL...I wasn't really concentrating on good pics because I was in a rush.
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High Resolution: (1248x960) = 40 pictures
Low Resolution: (640x480) = 160 pictures
AVI Movies
High Resolution: (640x480) = 30 seconds/10fps
Low Resolution: (304x240 = 120 seconds/10fps
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Don't you want to stress quality over quantity?
Purchase more and or larger flash ram.
I have 2 32 meg flash ram cards for my old Kodak DC210 camera. Each card will hold roughly 120 high resolution images.
Don't you want to stress quality over quantity?
Shoot all pictures with highest resolution. Download from camera and archive on hard drive and or CDR in either TIFF or uncompressed JPG format. Use the software that came with the camera or other off the shelf image processing software to compress and or resize for web publishing. "Only manipulate copies of the original images."
Images from my camera in highest resolution are 1162 X 864 and are save in uncompressed JPG format and range in size from 100 KB to 460 KB. After resizing to 600 X 450 and compressing to roughly 60% the files range in size from 25 KB to 60 KB. In my opinion this is the best compromise for publishing to the web. If you still want to publish the images at the highest resolution you can still apply JPG compression to reduce the download time by as much as half.
John
This evening I got CS -146 with the new hard seats on q32.
Always nice to get oddballs.
Triboro
1184 (3 Times)
2822
2068
688
685
670 - Best heat I ever felt on a bus -- Lucky it was cold out or it
would have been BAD - Must be something wrtong with it
considering Triboro is involved - Bus is a piece of junk.
Detroit Diesel Series 60, DDEC IV, Diesel, 320 HP. Cummins M11-310 E, Diesel, 330 HP. CNG/LNG optional
I want to know...are the SEPTA AN460's the only Neoplan Artics with a Series 50. Were they custom built for SEPTA? or are they oddballs?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Which TA's have D50s in NEo artics that are fast? I haven't heard of any. I know Huston has DD50s, but RTS2150 says they are slow as well.
I did see an Orion I about to go into service on the AT7 at Landmark. I hope luck will be on the Orion Is side and they are kept around for a while.
Knowing how backwards FMR is, they just might do it so they can run them on the Pike Ride;-)
Geez, since August and it is Mid November and they are entering service. That is different than THE BUS. They just roll them off of the truck and right into service, they can't program the signs, and they assume they work, hey they are new aren't they.
Also, they are parked inside, which is off-limits on the weekends thanks to OC Dan.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Just as long as nobody hijacks two buses to re-enact the "K.I.T.T. Vs. K.A.R.R." battle from Knight Rider, things should be fine. :)
-F.
Speaking of Orions, I like them OK, but I sure did get burnt out on them in DC, especially at Capitol Hill. Give me a Flx over those any day! Thankfully, there were plenty of 4000s at Dupont Circle.
-F.
Then, on the way back to the restaurant, I saw a 2001 Orion V from Western go by, so the person who I was walking with said "there is your bus" but I pointed out the sign was most definately not orange. But a nice try on his part.
I'll return to the Metro on a more regular basis this week. Somehow, I doubt anything other than 5620 was running on the 37 in the morning anyway, and I don't really miss trips on the Orion Is in the afternoon, though I did see 5423 on an afternoon block one day this past week.
*sobs* I miss the sound and aura of the 6V92!
I was thining with the "nopower" nickname that they couldn't move.
Want to see buses that don't move? Ride SEPTA...:(
Wayne
So yesterday, My Girlfriend, her mother, and I decided to take the chinatown bus to New York because they wanted to do shopping and I wanted a taste of the subway.
We arrived at Rockvile, MD to ride Eastern's only extended trip that starts from Rockville, then picks up people at DC, then proceeds to NY. Our bus was a Prevost H3-40 #889(ex-Pacific Western), and it was sitting there at the shopping center parking lot overnight. I've noticed that the frontmost left wheel was a white steel stock wheel while all the other wheels were Alcoas. The driver arrived in his car, parked it, and started up the bus. I noticed that the missing Alcoa was in the luggage bay under the bus. He boarded all the people at Rockville, and got started. We proceeded down to Chinatown of DC where we picked up the majority of the people. After everyone was boarded at DC, he walked throughout the bus and collected fare from everyone in their seats. (conductor style). When everyone was settled, we proceeded on to New York. The driving was (very) fast but not reckless. The driver seemed pretty solid, knew what he was doing, and used all appropiate driving methods (signals, timing, etc.) We shot by so many other buses that I've decided to keep a list of the other buses that we passed along the way.
Eyre D4500
White E4500
Greyhound DL3
CoachUsa DL3
New World T21
White C2045
Dillon D4500
We arrived at New York at around 11:00 AM and we were let off at 33rd and 6th ave. There, we shopped and rode the subway (boy did the G.O. pissed us BAD)
Just to give you a preview, Eastern's 1:30AM trip from DC to NY (Dina MarcoPolo) is the same bus that makes the return trip at 5:00 PM from NY to DC. And their 6:00 AM trip from DC to NY (Prevost H3-40) is the same bus that makes the return trip at 6:00 PM from NY to DC to Rockville.
When our day was over, we walked through the chinatown to head back towards the chinatown bus "terminal", Along the way, we saw Eastern's 5:00 PM trip (Dina) pull off and started to head towards the Holland tunnel. I wait there for our Eastern 6:00 trip (which I knew was going to be Prevost #889) while I witnessed a New Century C2045 and a Today Travel/Paragon E4500 (Today Travel signs on the front of the bus, but Paragon painted on the side of the bus.) boarding for their 6:00 PM trips. A Today Travel "agent" approached me and asked me if I had a ticket. I showed her my Eastern ticket and she replied with "Alright , get on board" and pointed at the Today Travel E4500. I protested and Argued that that was not our bus and not our company. She said that they were taking Eastern passengers. So I got on the bus and asked the driver, he said that Eastern's 6:00PM bus was having problems and wasn't gonna be available for their trip so Today Travel is taking Eastern's passengers, but they weren't making the extended trip to Rockville. So we boarded the luxurious (looking) E4500 and got settled while the ticket agent came onboard and trying to figure out how to read these Eastern tickets that we had, while the driver was backing the bus up to allow space for a Panda C2045 to "dock" (parallel park) at the "terminal".
So Far, I am an Eastern passenger, riding a Today Travel trip, using Paragon's bus. At 6:00, we started up and departed. We crawled through downtown rush hour traffic while watching the Italian Job (the volume was a bit too loud for peaceful sleep). When we finally emerged from the Holland tunnel into Jersey City, we saw Eastern's 5:00 PM bus (Dina) sitting on the shoulder with it's flashers on. Our bus pulled over next to the Dina where they transferred all the Eastern passengers from the Dina to our Today Travel trip (with a Paragon bus). The Eastern driver came on board our bus to watch the people board and he exclaimed to the Today Travel driver "Wow, niceass bus. Thanks a lot, have a safe trip", and he got off and returned to his Dina. Our E4500 started up and we went on our way to DC. The driver was moderately fast but not aggressive at all. We took a rest stop at the Maryland House for about 15 minutes. And the backup driver continued the rest of the trip to DC. We arrived at our "terminal" in DC at around 10 PM. Everyone started to get off the bus and we were amongst the last ones to leave. When we got off, our 6:00PM Eastern Driver was at the door to greet the people getting off the bus. "Rockville, Rockville!" and points behind the E4500, and behold, the H3-40 #889 was there pulled up behind the E4500. So all the Rockville passengers transferred from the Today Travel/Paragon E4500 to the Eastern H3-40. The Eastern H3-40 continued the rest of our extended trip to Rockville, Maryland. When we arrived at Rockville, I noticed that the front left wheel got it's Alcoa back, which was probably why the bus couldn't make the trip in the first place in NY.
All in All, Today Travel took Eastern's passengers and tickets, and used Paragon's Bus. While making way for a Panda C2045.
So, as the media claims, Where's the violence and the buswar?
They seem to work as a team altogether than the fierce compitetion that the media's been claiming.
As you are also noticing, the system is expanding. There is now more dollars for everyone, and you may see more extended and/or multi-stop runs in the future, as these companies learn how to make consistent money like Greyhound does.
"If we keep fighting each other, we're gonna keep undercutting each other, thus running each other out of business. And besides, we have a bigger, more common enemy to worry about (Grehyhound/Peter Pan) who seriously aims to put ALL of us out of business. We're already popular enough, so we won't have to worry about going under due to lack of profits, so let's stop fighting each other and worry about the company that could put all of us out of business at one time"
I think it's the other way around, who's lowering their fare to meet the compitetor's fare? ;-)
www.abbottbus.com
-F.
-F.
Oh lord, are we still playing on these stereotyped images that oriental women are "mystical"?
Due to issues over dispatching our PikeRide buses on to routes that are not part of PikeRide, the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority has decided to add several more lines to the PikeRide brand name of services. PikeRide buses will now have a better chance of showing up on a PikeRide line, and the benefits of PikeRide can now be shared by the entire region. The following routes will now be part of the PikeRide program:
(J11, J12, J13, J14, J15)
Marlboro Pike Line
(R27)
Little Falls Parkway Pike-Atlantic Ocean Line
(Z1, Z4)
Glenmont-Silver Spring Line
(Z11, Z13)
Greencastle-Briggs Chaney Express Line
(Z17, Z7)
Calverton Express Line
(Z2)
Colesville Road Line
(Z29, Z9)
Laurel-Burtonsville Express Line
(Z3, Z5)
Colesville Fairland Express Line
(Z8)
Fairland Line
(T6)
Rockville Pike Line
Ride-On routes 42 and 46 will be discontinued
(16A, 16B, 16D, 16F, 16J, 16L)
Columbia Pike Line
(16G, 16H, 16K, 16W)
Columbia Heights West - Pentagon City Line
(16L)
Annandale-Skyline City-Pentagon Line
(16Y)
Columbia Pike-Farragut Square Line
In addition, SmartMover is being expanded to the J1, J3, J8, and J9 routes, and the U Street-Adams Morgan Link Shuttle now includes the E6, N6, and N8.
Please note that we are not liable if you are late because you saw a PikeRide bus not operating on one of the routes listed above and decided not to board, or a regular MetroBus pulls up on a PikeRide route and you decide not to board. Also, if the bus is a 1997 Orion V, there is no guarentee you will be able to identify the bus since its destination sign is very likely to not work at all, no matter what route the bus is on. And finally, the R27 does not have any established bus stops because they mysteriously disappeared sometime in September. You will have to wait until the stops are restored before boarding the bus, which will offer express service on Atlantic Ocean and Little Falls Parkway Pikes to the Bahamas.
R2
Riggs Road Pike-Calverton Blvd Pike Line
It also includes additional stops in Shanandale Drive Pike to increase the ridership on this route.
We can also have the R27 head south on Wisconsin Avenue Pike to Friendship Heights, east on Western Avenue, north on Connecticut Avenue, east on East West Hwy Pike to Wayne Avenue Pike. From there it could head south on Flower Avenue Pike and then east on Piney Branch Road Pike and south on University Blvd Pike towards the intersection of New Hampshire Avenue Pike. and VOILA! A successful crosstown Pike Ride route!!!
24/Huntingdon Pike Line: Frankford Terminal to Bethayres and Southampton
27/Ridge Pike Line: Center City to Plymouth Meeting Mall
92/Phoenixville Pike Line: West Chester to Exton Square Mall
93/Pottstown-Ridge Pike Line: Norristown to Pottstown
94/Bethlehem Pike Line: Chestnut Hill to Montgomery Mall (that's the Montgomery Mall in Montgomery Twp, MontCo, Pa., not the Montgomery Mall in Maryland; though I'd love to see what the fares would be for a combined SEPTA/DART/MTA/RideOn/WMATA through fare between Montgomery County, Pa. and Montgomery County, Md.)
99/DeKalb Pike Line: Norristown to King of Prussia, Phoenixville, and Royersford
104/West Chester Pike Line (I wouldn't mind seeing an Orion VI as opposed to some of the slowest Neos in SEPTA, which somehow end up at Red Arrow)
109, 110, or 111/Baltimore Pike Lines: 69 St Terminal to Chester via Springfield Mall (109), PSU-DelCo/Granite Run Mall via Springfield Mall and Media (110), or Chadds Ford/Concordville via US 1 Bypass (111)
114/Chester Pike Line: Darby to Boothwyn via Chester
DART 2/Concord Pike Line: Downtown Wilmington to Concord Mall and Brandywine Town Center
Yes, I am being ridiculous, and no I don't care... =P
Robert
Robert
I have a lot of questions about unions and I was hoping anyone can help me out. How do the contracts work (as in when do they go in effect, approval process, getting provisions, etc.)? Since the TA is dealing with different unions, what can the TA do without getting permission from those unions or breaking the contracts (for example, switching a route from Queens to the Bronx, etc)?
How many union reps are placed in a depot and what are their primary duties? Do they work well with the TA managers? If a union goes on strike, is a B/O within that union still allowed to work or does that B/O get penalized from his union? Isn't it possible for the TA to get a contract that has a "no stirke" claus if there is a disagreement between the two sides (I think NJT has an arrangement that pervents the union to go on strike)? Can a B/O work without a union? Are there any differences with NJ Transit? I am sorry there are numerous questions. I would like if you can answer the ones you know. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks!
MetroB
On page 35, there's an item called FY99 bus Garage under the list of capital lease obligations. I just wanted to know, what bus garage was built in 1998 or 1999. Thanks!
MetroB
MetroB
Just saw a commercial while watching football on FOX that involves a bunch of people falling over creating a domino effect. The chain goes into what I thought was a GM New Look and continues at the next bus stop with someone falling out the back door and continuing the chain. Interesting..
Chuck Greene
A new auto purchase will set me back $7,000.00 dollars per year and that's every year until I sell the vehicle. There's no need to get this drastic. I don't live in LI but this is what I would do if I did.
1. Mail-Order heavy packages - All my heavy gifts are being delivered to my front door by UPS. No need to carry heavy packages on buses anymore. Furthermore, I can Ebay and save substantial by not paying retail. I can always get good buys on the net but you must do this NOW!
2. Shop after work - Light Christmas shopping should be done after work so you benefit from excellant rush hour service.
3. Use bicycle - I'm doing a lot of my Christmas shopping on Bicycle this year. The saddle bags and handlebars serve me very well thank you. Last night, I went to the movies at the mall and noticed NO buses providing service. Guess what? The only people still at the mall were ones who had cars to take them home. All the bus users had all gone home because was NO bus service for them. It's this kind of discrimination that forces people to buy cars. All the non-motorists were on buses except me. My bicycle was parked right by the door waiting for my return. It's like having a bus service at my disposal 24/7.
A Gillig and an Orion waiting at a bus stop at the Port Jefferson station shopping center
The advisories don't mention Rockaway. Are buses stopping there? I got off at Franklin.
MetroB
"ar" is right. NYCT uses HASTUS by Giro to build trip sheets and then runs, and the schedules are printed using a home-grown application that interfaces with HASTUS (a new version of HASTUS is being phased in -- it will be used without the home-grown program). What gets into Excel is a comma-delimited ASCII file derived from the home-grown program.
David
"What gets into Excel is a comma-delimited ASCII file derived from the home-grown program." Can you please clarify?
MetroB
The data in the home-grown program can be ported to Excel as ASCII code with commas, which Excel can then turn into columns of numbers and/or text. What it boils down to is, every time Excel sees a comma, it moves over and puts the next information it sees into another column.
David
MetroB
JONN
-Adam
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If not, what was that number ?
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After the Iggles game, I had to run out to Media, and my schedule was pretty tight.
Caught the 104 (5406 - I think this was 4215 block, but the sign read "SEPTA CHARTER" and the block read 4715) at 4:12pm. Got to 69 St and was able to catch the 102 to Clifton-Aldan, then the R3 to Elwyn (long story, no time to explain).
Getting back, I saw that the R3 left Elwyn at 6:22pm, getting into Swarthmore at 6:31pm; 4 minutes later, a 109 would arrive to get me into 69 St to catch the 7:07pm 104 to West Chester.
So far...
104 West Chester to 69 St ... check
102 69 St to Clifton-Aldan ... check
R3 Clifton-Aldan to Elwyn ... a couple minutes late, but manageable
R3 Elwyn to Swarthmore ... check
109 Swarthmore to 69 St ... OOPS...
For starters, the 109 which was supposed to have arrived at 6:35pm arrived 5 minutes late (5595/4400 block). And of all the drivers I had to get, I got stuck with one of the slowest drivers I think I've ever riden with (put it this way, he wouldn't have lasted too long on the 104 with his slow driving). We were supposed to arrive at 69 St at 7:04pm; we didn't get in unti 7:16pm. Which meant a hour long wait for the next 104, which kinda dampened my mood (I wanted to get back to West Chester in time to catch Cowboys v. Patriots in the "Battle of the Bills").
On a brighter note, I did get an extra hour of bus spotting on the El Shuttle (future post forthcoming).
Had 5589 (4219 block) for the 8:12pm return. Nothing really noteworthy, except for a lot of West Chester University students returning to campus (SEPTA should consider running a couple of Friday PM from WCU to 69 St and Sunday PM extras from 69 St to WCU, but that would be asking too much).
The buses I saw. Spotted 102 buses. Enjoy!
ENY: 4872,4983,8095,8097,8691,8692,8695,9069
UP: 4787,7533,8684,9097,9098,9295,9314,9320
FB: 4602,4620,5088,5110,8156,8403,8414,8415,9382,9384,9385,9417,9445,9455
FP: 5055,8013,8131,8534,8553,9464,9480,9592
JG: 834,934,4646,4647,4648,4650,4658,4664,4667,4668,7584
126: 8222,8225,8442,8472,8482,8484,8499,8514
KB: 5430,5451,8820,8825,8828,8849,8886,9672,9682
WF: 417,421,436,449,6057,8069,9138
MCH: 215,225,226,234,239,249,255,6013
GH: 177,182,189
MV: 5034,5038,5125,5134,5135,5139,5170,5193,5183,5193,5195,5199,5204
100: 1002,1009,1014,1026,5593,5596
NF 874 B8
R68 2772 (Q)
RTS 9441 B41
O5 449 A SHUTTLE
RTS 4872 A SHUTTLE
NF Artic 1026 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9480 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9390 B41 LTD
NF 869 B8
A Train Shuttle Observation (Final Weekend)
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But what would it be doing there? The location would indicate it just finished its route on the Q46. But why head further east? Was there an LIRR bus shuttle that was somehow using NYCT buses? Could the driver have been heading for a diner or restaurant he particularly liked? Could he get in trouble if he were to have an accident that far out of his jurisdiction?
Very strange indeed.
-Adam
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B1-#4769-TMCRTS
B64-#4774-TMCRTS
Peace
David
Notes: Another mess at Roosevelt Field this morning. The N22 arrives 8 min late. Then after coming over the parkway bridge we are diverted to the right. They're doing road work on Ring Road (what a time to do it, in the middle of the rush). We go all the way around the mall on the north side. It was backed up and as usual, no one was directing traffic. We cut in front of several other buses stuck in the right lane in traffic.We come into the bus stop by way buses from the south do. We then go to the right and go the way we came, except with no way back to East Gate, we made a left out of the main entrance on Old Country road. Now I know why the bus driver was yelling across the street when we going down East Gate toward Roosevelt Field. Those people will be waiting awhile since no buses can access East Gate coming out of RF. There were no signs of this diverson anywhere.
We were making alot of pickups/dropoffs in Nassau and dropoffs in Queens the whole way to Jamaica. Reminded me of the N21 today! Also the traffic lights were all out of sync on Hillside ave. Probably the timing was never fixed from those storm related outages last week.
I had Flxible Metros both ways on the 171, that's not all that unusual. I almost NEVER see anything but Metros on the 171. I remember when I'd occasionally see an MCI or Nova.
The ride back from 179st was much smoother. Bus ran on time the whole way back.
One bus sat in the intersection of fordham and valentine for 4 minutes trying to turn. Incredible....
IZZY!!! Atleast that's what Kevin(N23) tells me. Either the N20 or the N21, I always forget. Hey, did they swap him wit Johnny Boy. What does Johnny Boy look like?, cuz we got this real craby bus driver now that non of the passengers or drivers like. This guy took Izzy's place.
Kevin says Izzy is doin the mornin shift. I hope I see him sometime soon. Oh, and yea, he does live in Port Washington.
Callowhill sent almost all NABIs for the shuttle, though a New Flyer did sneak in during the later part of the day (these were 9800-9819 blocks, though the highest I saw was 9816)
Southern sent 5400 and 5600 New Flyers (7820-7849 blocks, highest seen was 9832)
Allegheny sent 4 artics (4850-4853), 2 each during the AM and PM sequences
After 7:00pm, Midvale sent a few buses, mostly 40-ft Neos, with 5703 slipped in as well.
This is not a complete list, but here are some of the buses used yesterday (bus number/block number):
Callowhill:
5263/9801; 5045/9802; 5270/9804; 5019/9807; 5021/9808; 5271/9809; 5438/9812; 5001/9813; 5274/9815
Southern:
5629/7820; 5472/7821; 5494/7824; 5490/7826; 5626/7828; 5484/7829; 5617/7832
Allegheny:
7154/4850; 7189/4851; 7161/4852; 7167/4853
Midvale:
5703/4978 (plus two Neoplan 40-ft buses - 3459 and a 329x, didn't write them down, sorry)
B12#9071
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It should read, "There are no B12 bus stop signage in either direction in that location."
B12#4958
And this is coming from you?
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No, that's a 1986 model. But the RTS junk always seems to find SI.
David
If a switch is to be made then would it make sense to move the x-2,x-3 and x-9 to Castleton.
I am not that familar with Staten Island so any one with information on this move can help with the logic please let me know.
Thank You
Castleton Depot--S40/90,S42,S46/96,S48/98,S51,S52,S53/93,S54,S57,S60,S62/92,S66/67,S76/86,S78,
X10/11,X12/42,X13,X14,X16,X18,X20,X22,X30,X31.
Yukon Depot--S44/94,S55/56,S59,S61/91,S74/84,S79,X1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,X15,X17/19.
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David
Have you heard on when construction will begin on the Maspeth Bus Depot & will it open in 2005 & what have you heard on what bus routres might be assigned to Maspeth when it opens.
Also, I don't have a brother that works out of Yukon Bus Depot, sorry to break the news to you.
It is also confusing to others to change a topic when the new topic name has NOTHING to do with the direction of the ongoing conversation. To ask a new question, please do us all a favor and start a NEW topic instead of hijacking an old one.
As to "Busfan" not having a brother who works out of Yukon, he must have been promoted or transferred unless I'm making a HUGE mistake as to "Busfan"'s identity, which I'm pretty sure I'm not...
David
BIG AL
MetroB
David
My living room, except on alternate rainy Thursdays in August.
The point of my previous post ("anything can happen....") was that there still many degrees of uncertainty with respect to the Maspeth facility. As soon as anything definite is announced, it'll show up here. Beyond that, any talk is purely speculative.
David
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If it IS true, I wonder what (transit-related) can be done with the property.
David
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MetroB
I believe Conrail has been sold or in the process of being sold as David has pointed out.
Also in the November TA Sub Committee Report there was some contracts being placed for bids on the Maspeth Depot property
Thank You
BIG AL
Thank You
1. The question includes a plural subject (X63 and X64), so the verb should be plural ("are").
2. It's spelled "January."
3. A question should end with a question mark (?).
4. No, the X63 and X64 are not going to Queens Village Depot this January.
Folks, this isn't a schoolyard. Please do us a favor and stay away from the curse words on here. They add nothing at all to the conversation and make the writer look juvenile.
David
Often the writer is. I remain steadfast behind my belief that a person who resorts to constant use of profanity is showing ignorance due to his or her lack of vocabulary and good diction. There is no reason we must use certain 4-letter words in every single post.
BIG AL
Garbage in, Garbage out.
Peace
David
Wayne
By the way I will post preliminary intinerary on the NEW YEAR'S EVE B-W bus trip within the next couple of weeks.
Also if you are doing a THE BUS trip do the Southern routes also. One would be to take the 32 from Naylor Road to Clinton and then take the 30 to Branch Ave, just a suggestion, nothing special with these two routes.
what do you think?>
There simply isn't that large of a market, contrary to what anyone in here would think, to support a good quality publication. It takes lots of time, effort, and expense. In other words, the price would be outrageous, nobody would be able to afford it, and it would not stay in business.
Wayne
Wayne
National Bus Trader is probably the closest to a fan mag of all the industry publications, followed by Bus Ride.
Of course, the number 1 true fan magazine was Bob Redden's International Bus Xollector. Because Bob took no industry advertising outside of model builders, he was free to be very candid in his opinions of the industry, and his predictions came true way more often than not. You younger folks have the internet, but IBC and Ed Stauss' Bus W#orld gave us adults an honest history lesson.
I wouldn't go as far as saying an honest history lesson. Both were rather interesting magazines but as far as Bus World went, even under Stauss, many articles on transit systems and manufacturers had glaring errors and key omissions.
The various articles in BW on Pittsburgh's system (which I am very familiar with) sounded more like they were run by PAT's public relations department prior to publishing than a 100% honest assessment of the operation.
The same goes for the Eagle Special published by BW. Very interesting and complete but once you got into the then current operations period using Eagle 10's, it turned into more of a press release for Eagle than a historical article.
The Eagle Special was sponsored by Eagle, and was actually included with Eagle sales brochures, so I consider that a special exception.
BW was still better under Stauss than MAK, errors and all. Bob Redden wasn't flawless either (he made it clear he wasn't a model number freak with GM Old Looks; he once said he didn't care how many rivets they had), but having met Mr. Redden on a couple of occasions, he is as straightforward and genuine as anyone I've ever met in any field. Sure, there were occasions where the caption said one thing and the picture was obviously something else, or things like that. But if you took the two magazines as a whole, you would have learned enough of the industry and its history to SPOT those errors and chuckle over them.
The various articles in BW on Pittsburgh's system (which I am very familiar with) sounded more like they were run by PAT's public relations department prior to publishing than a 100% honest assessment of the operation.
I think there's a fine line to walk when writing for and/or publishing a fan magazine. Being critical and 'calling it like I see it' is honorable, but such behavior will also probably make it much more difficult to gain access to transit personnel and facilities in the future.
If there ever really was a crossover professional/fan market for a bus-oriented magazine in this country like 'Bus World', it was probably obliterated by the Internet. Bus World was neat in that it provided news and photos from places you rarely if ever visited. Now, there is a plethora of bus fan sites on the Net and photos from most major transit operators can be easily found.
Jim D.
Overall though, the accurate history representation of PAT from the early days through the 80's (as far as it's been written so far) hasn't effected the AMCAP's relationship with PAT and in some ways strengthened it. While there are some things mentioned that PAT's administration would rather be forgotten, even some in administration have admitted to me that the story needs to be told, warts and all.
As far as the fan perspective, many probably don't care about the problems encountered in a transit system and want just what Bus World provided (100% positive overviews) but to truly understand why systems do what they do, you have to see the entire picture.
I believe it's important to be honest and fair, both about the good side and the not-so-good side of public transit. Many times we can be critical, probably because we care so much about the vital role that transit plays and want to see it done right, but we shouldn't neglect to acknowledge the successes as well. I would think that those who work in transit wouldn't mind intelligent criticism from a writer if that person also shows a willingness to give credit where credit is due.
As far as the fan perspective, many probably don't care about the problems encountered in a transit system and want just what Bus World provided (100% positive overviews) but to truly understand why systems do what they do, you have to see the entire picture.
That's too bad, because I love reading behind-the-scenes articles on almost any topic. It's really difficult to find such coverage on transit issues, especially buses. Most of the fan publications focus on the buses and what routes they run on. There are some interesting trade articles and reports on the internet, however.
Jim
Exactly. That's how the history articles I researched and wrote up for the AMCAP site are written, showing both the positive and negatives so that the person who reads it and knows little about the system comes away with a better insight on how things were in the past and are currently done. Many times, a good management decision 20 or more years in the past answers the question of why things are screwed up today.
I do admit I am having a hard time writing up the 90's era and current era histories without being overly critical of the operation but there were many positives that were done which can help balance out the rediculousness of the "Gold Standard" that is occurring at PAT now. The same people in PAT's administration that told me the history needed to be told were in fact surprised that the articles that I came up with weren't just a complaint list (they know me well. LOL) but a good overall assessment of the operation over the years.
Of the Bus Worlds I don't have but wish I did were the two ones done in the 80s on both WMATA and Ride On.
-F.
National Bus Trader is very good. However, I like to describe it as a fan/trade magazine. Alot of it is geared for the industry.
The best bus fan magazine is Motor Coach Age and Motor Coach Today published by the Motor Bus Society. Rosters, photos and lots of history.
-F.
Wayne
-Fred
The point I'm trying to make is that if the UK can support a well-produced bus magazine, surely the much more populous US can?
Look at the amount and quality of the scalemodels available. There are hardly any in the USA compared to the amount and quality available in the UK.
I think a lot of it has to do with public attitude. In the USA, buses are basically looked down upon by much of the general public. Most people do all their travel by car....so they have no use for buses. The UK, being a smaller country with cities much closer lends itself to bus transportation.
You are also correct in your point about the layout of the UK and its cities lending themselves to bus operation, particularly the larger cities, most of which are compact and have populations dense enough to support large-scale bus ops. However, with the the exception of within London and a couple of other notable cities (Oxford for example), buses are most definitely looked down upon. To most, they are the method of last resort - which is, of course, totally wrong, bus that is undoubtedly the case. Very few people in the UK actually choose to travel by bus - most have no alternative.
Remember the good old days, when buses were run for 18 to 20 years? Very rare now. The old London double-deckers date back to the 1950s and are rehabbed every 10-15 years.
Even on our continent, that is the case with Toronto; TTC does the same with their Fishbowls, and still run models dating back to 1975. We could really learn a lot from our neighbors.
-F.
Even on our continent, that is the case with Toronto; TTC does the same with their Fishbowls, and still run models dating back to 1975. We could really learn a lot from our neighbors.
Any 1970's-era New Looks that survived the 1980's would have been forced out of service by the ADA - after 1990, all new or rebuilt buses had to be fully accessible.
JD
-F.
Canada is a different story. No ADA there, and the operators have a history of squeezing every mile out of their older buses. On top of this, I believe the provinces cut transit subsidies in the 1990's, leaving agencies unable to retire some older buses even if they wanted to. Had those subsidies still been in place, I doubt the TTC New Looks would still be running today.
Jim D.
-F.
-F.
If anyone wants to be a part of this effort, shoot me an IM @ TECsBrain (AIM, Yahoo), 71600079 (ICQ), or tristancunn@hotmail.com (MSN) -- or via email to tristan@colloquis.net.
Right now, we have a lot of people who want to take pictures -- I don't know how far we can go with photography as a basis because of the expense of color printing -- what we need is people who can commit to maybe ~5 hours a month plus a monthly brainstorm meeting at the beginning of the month and a status meeting at the middle, each of which would probably last no more than one hour each.
Many think that they don't have a lot of time, but I am currently working on a mock-up that will show how little work can be done by one person working collaboratively to make a great piece of work. More info in the days ahead.
Btw, if anyone knows how to get a good deal on printing, lemme know!
JD
A lot of people must agree with me; back issues are selling for quite a pretty penny on eBay. Sound anything like Bus World? :)
-F.
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Wayne
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Bx31 6104
Bx41 1071
Bx31 7659,7643, and 1093
Bx41 5687 & 5694
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In Philly, Allegheney is a depot with only ARTIC buses assigned to it.
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By the way, the fact that Brooklyn provides the largest share of surface revenue doesn't necessarily mean that Brooklyn needs artics more than any other borough. The determination as to whether or not artics are appropriate needs to be made on a route by route basis. I'm not saying that Brooklyn doesn't need artics, but it's flawed reasoning to say that Brooklyn needs artics more than any other borough simply because it provides the most revenue.
BX31-6098
BX41-5495
Why is that?
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Lets say the Q44 were to move to the MaBSTOA division at WF, chances are something would have to go or be split up from WF since the 44 is a heavily used route but I don't know how much runs it has.
The #44 in NYCT seems to carry alot of weight on the lines, B44, S44 & Q44....8-)
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B44 Limited Nova #9393
B44 Local Nova #9401
This ruling i recall was made in 1995 when the Q-32 was split between the TA and the OA
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-The Fresh Pond Guy
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B44 Limited Nova #5101
B65 Local C40LF #891
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True, but reason they should never go there is because of the routes, and the way Ridgwood's streets are.
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B8-#7613-Orion VII
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This is my opinion. Not whats going to happen.
FLA: B41,B44,B46, and maybe the B49
UP: B6
ENY: B12,B25,B42,B45,B82
FP: B38
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What u think
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however .... the MTA and the ATU are under binding arbitration. Theyve agreed to everything except for the health care. I think they have 90 days to reach an agreement
Bus Fares are free until this sunday
Passengers with October 2003 passes may use them until December 25, 2003
Passengers that do not have Oct 2003 passes may still buy the November passes and use them until 12-25-03
Expect it to cause delays. Saw 2 N22's back to back on Maple av in Westbury today. The first a packed Cummins running 30 min late and the next a 300 series with seats.
As to why the mall picked this time of year to do this work, and failed to give advance warning to the MTA or its shoppers is beyond me. Today they have a portion of Ring Road torn up. It could be awhile, they took 1 month just to resurface the bus stop driveway.
4200 - 1997
4201 - 1998
4202-4252 - 1998
4200s - 53
4300 - 1997
4301-4349 - 1998
4300 - 50
4400-4454 - 1998
4400s - 55
4500 - 1998
4501-4589 - 1998
4500s - 90
4600 - 1999
4601-4644 - 1999
4642-4731 - 1999
4732-4742 - 2000
46/4700s - 143
4800-4909 - 2000
4800s - 110
5500 - 2001
5501-5544 - 2002
5500s - 45
5600 - 2001
5601-5644 - 2002
5600s - 45
There was also a 5700 that was built in 2002 but apparently never delivered.
By my count (and not counting 5700), that's 591 Novas delivered to Dallas between 1997-2002 (the 488 bus order, by my count, comes out to 501). I have to wonder if the 5500s and 5600s were part of a separate order placed by Dallas on top of the 4200-4900 series.
BTW, we anxiously await an update...
Interesting stuff.
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There is, though, one place on a bus where I will NOT sit, even if it's the only seats available on the bus.
It's on the Green Lines Orion V's: the row of seats directly behind the rear doors. Can somebody say, "LACK OF LEG ROOM"?
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Some of the unpurchased WMATA Orion V's wound up with Coach USA (Red and Tan Tours) in Newark Airport service. Some wound up in Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport service. I suspect others are, likewise, scattered around.
Don't mose TA's just have perimieter seating behind the back door?
SUGGESTION: Do you think it makes sense that on the typical NYCT RTS that they take that single seat just forward of the rear door and make a copy of it on either or both sides of the back row as opposed to having that row of five, two of which have severely restricted leg room. Bus capacity could probably increase by one or two more people as generally a standee takes up less area than a seated person.
New Flyer, a writer in the NEW YORKER (I think it was Adam Gopnik) said sitting in that lone seat ahead of the rear door on an RTS always feels to him as if he's sitting in a Dunce Seat!
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I guess RTSs are just odd...
Well, I found one on Friday as I was getting off the Q88 bus to Queens Center Mall (the bus number was 614), I noticed writing on the panel above the driver's side windshield: "FB # 614." I did a double take and checked the number that is on the farebox, and, yes, the number on the farebox was 614, as was the bus's number. Is that weird or what?
-F.
You can use a paint called "Accuflex" if you can still even get it).
I used it extensively on the Delrin plastic handrails on HO and N scale locomotive models; Delrin ordinarily would make any other paint flake off the moment it was touched, after the paint dried, as the paint didn't "bite" into it.
Seriously, I doubt if custom painting those sponge-based bus models will turn out anywhere decent, nomatter what anyone's modelling skills are. I, myself wouldn't even try it....
-F.
I second the motion to extend it to Hempstead, but not via Franklin Avenue (which is already well served by the N25). I would route the N8 south on Franklin Avenue from Dutch Broadway (so that it passes in front of Franklin General Hospital), then up Cornwall Avenue to either Dogwood Avenue to Nassau Blvd. or Hempstead Avenue to Nassau Blvd. From Nassau Blvd, the N8 could then go east on Hempstead Turnpike to Hempstead Terminal. (A possible alternative to Hempstead is to continue the route up Nassau Blvd. past Hempstead Turnpike, to Adelphi University. Perhaps it could even continue on to Mineola.)
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NYCTA PA1660 - PA1858
MABSTOA PA2580 - PA2704
In their later days they dropped the PA from the buses.
Wayne
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BIG AL
Click here to see the parts
http://www.nimcobus.com/catalog/
Three different varieties of the HO scale GM fishbowls.
Two different varieties of the HO scale RTS-II's
Three different varieties of O scale Neoplan double-decks.
Various HO scale Wiking buses, artics, tour, transit.
O Scale Corgi GM old looks and new looks
Bachmann bus station, partially assembled
Some Raod Champs Flxible Metro's (more to come in coming weeks)
Go to EBay and click "search", then search by seller.
My seller ID is "sjh50".
Thanks!!!
Wayne
Eventually, DASH and Ride-On will have to allow ads or raise fares/cut service. If that was a choice, then the ads come on.
As far as DASH goes, there are some things we can cut here and there before we have to stumble onto advertising. Also, remember that in some places, advertising on public vehicles is prohibited...after what happened to Charles Moose and his book deal, I am inclined to believe that this is the case in Montgomery County -- he was to make a profit from work that he performed for the county, which is illegal according to their law (no, this doesn't mean he can't get paid more than it costs him to live).
I did seen a FFX Connector Orion V on the 401 this PM with an add on it right after I mentioned not seeing one.
I read that article and they also said subway tunnels also.
I just thought of something interesting, new places where WMATA would put ads to make money:
BUS STOPS
EVERY WINDOW OF ALL THEIR BUSES. not one ad for one side, but one ad per window on every bus
BUS DRIVERS
BUS SEATS
BUS TIRES
SUBWAY POLES, in and outside of the stations
TELEPHONES
BUS GARAGES
METRO HEADQUARTERS
SUBWAY STATION ESCALATORS
THE SIDEWALKS OUTSIDE OF METRO STATIONS, BUS DEPOTS
I could think of others bus I can't think of any more.
And they should do what came up back when the economy was cool -- "sell" stations..."Next station is AOL 9.0/U Street/African American Civil War Memorial/Cardozo, doors opening left side"
like I said before, I don't know how Ride-On could incorporate ads into the current scheme. It might have to repaint their buses a new way, and all i have to say is, look what happened to SEPTA's scheme (gulp!)
Eventually, DASH and Ride-On will have to allow ads or raise fares/cut service. If that was a choice, then the ads come on.
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And of course let's not forget advertising on headsigns and Cleverboxes.
And it ticks. Tickticktickticktick, at about 4-6Hz.
What's this box for, and what's the ticking noise all about?
Mark
The ticking I'm talking about comes from that contraption I described constantly, not just when the rear door is open or its green light is on.
Mark
Mark
All of MTA's Brooklyn-Manhattan express routes use that tunnel.
It was just sitting there with passsengers discharged onto BX9 108(3?) and BX22 5366.
KB really needs to take care of their buses. It's not like we're talking about 20 year old RTS' here. These buses are 4 YEARS OLD!!!!!!
That's how our RTS's are done here in Orange County, CA.
Anyone know anything about the bus "3761" on NYPD Blue??? Is it real, or is it....???
Sounds like "3761" may have been a fake NYC Transit bus, but since I haven't watched Blue since Jimmy Smits left, I couldn't really answer that.
FWIW, though, I do recall some of the earlier opening montages which showed an NJ Transit MC-9A at the PABT...
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BIG AL
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The only three that I am aware that may have been any good (not counting those that were sold to other TAs as used buses) were 3256 and 3257, which IIRC, both wound up in JG and then ENY. However, wasn't the 1983 purchase of buses just plain bad as a group?
-Adam
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They were awful and looked very disgusting, take 3076 for example [remember that?]. Its no wonder that at least half of them never got repainted, since some did recieve the overhaul in 1992.
-Adam
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B44 Limited Nova #5079
B44 Limited Nova #9417
Bx41-5437 then went out of service so I got 5692!
Bx31-8081
1983 GMC RTS - #3160
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Wayne
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Oh You wrong AL, LMAO! But I ain't mad at ya! Do you work at the yard between 3:30 pm and 5:00 pm? If so you probably didn't like the driver who was driving 4747 yesterday I believe on the B38 downtown brooklyn..
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BIG AL
LMAO! They look just about the same...
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BTW, I saw 4747 downtown brooklyn today on the B26, I think it was run 006, not sure.
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B52 Nova #9604
B65 C40LF #839
B52
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If the Orion7's do make it to FP, I hope they get pushed out.
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As for which series I prefer, the order goes like this:
1. 1996 RTS's
2. 1998 RTS's
3. 1999 RTS's
BIG AL
LOL....I noticed that....Well atleast the Flatbush 9400s from GH, they were dirty and bashed up, but Flatbush repainted all of them and now they look fresh like they actually originated from FB 8-)
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#9625 releaved @ 110 #5034 - M3
#5582 - M101
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I'm sure the 8400's in ENY didn't go there looking "nice" when they left JG. ENY Nova #5205 can tell me their condition.
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Why do drivers piss in the bus and then want us to stand there? We paid out fare, why are we thought of as such animals by B/O's?
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Queens Village Depot Supt. Tim Sweeney was on scene and ordered a Queens Village Depot bus operator from his regular scheduled tour to complete a trip on the N24.
Any comments?
1. Did the B/O knew the N24 route? Does he know which way in and out of Roosevelt Field? This should be addressed first and if the B/O didn't feel comfortable with the unexpected run, he should say NO!
2. Did he have time to contact a TWU rep or Shop Steward at QV depot before he made the run? If the answer to either question was no then the run should not have been made.
3. Suppose in the unlikely even the B/O gets lost or misses a turn in the Nassau County portion of the route (e.g he misses making a loop around Old Country Road to the bus stops outside Mineola LIRR station), does he face disciplinary action?
4. If he took the job (as he had no choice) and is injured in NYC, will NYCT lynch him for driving a bus (even under a supervisory order) outside NYC limits?
Question 2: NO (the probie probably didn't know his rights anyway.)
Question 3: NO (he had no formal training on the route. Route is not a contractual route. No disciplinary charges possible.)
Question 4: NO (if he had an accident or was injured, only the GS would face disciplinary charges for ordering the worker to make the trip)
BIG AL
Does he know which way in and out of Roosevelt Field?
No.
2. Did he have time to contact a TWU rep or Shop Steward at QV depot before he made the run?
Queens Village is an ATU shop, not a TWU shop. There is no union on the premesis after 8PM. 4PM in many cases. The trip was ordered around 9PM. The answer is No.
3. Suppose in the unlikely even the B/O gets lost or misses a turn in the Nassau County portion of the route (e.g he misses making a loop around Old Country Road to the bus stops outside Mineola LIRR station), does he face disciplinary action?
No.
4. If he took the job (as he had no choice) and is injured in NYC, will NYCT lynch him for driving a bus (even under a supervisory order) outside NYC limits?
No, however I disagree with Big Al in that had this operator had an accident, they wouldn't find reason to discipline him. He would still be faced with whether the accident was preventable or not. The excuse "I shouldn't have been there in the first place" hasn't worked yet. It wouldn't now.
BIG AL
The only paralell I can draw is if a Red Arrow operator (UTU 1594) was at Chester and ordered by his control center to cover a run on the 37 (TWU 234 out of Southern) if a Southern bus breaks down along PA 291 near Chester. Granted, it might make sense from a dispatching perspective, but at the same time, I don't think I would blame the Red Arrow operator for covering work from another union. Nor could I blame the TWU for filing a grievance because an operator from another union covered "their work" - and TWU would probably be justified in their complaint.
Yet, it's not unusual for a Frontier bus to end up covering a 123 run between King of Prussia and 69 St if a Red Arrow bus breaks down at King of Prussia before making its return trip. I saw that happen a couple times in the past, but that's very rare.
I'm sure there are a lot of examples at NJ Transit with it's various union locals (TWU at Fairview; ATU at other garages, but different locals at each garage(s)).
MetroB
How bout that for fraternity!
That's very unusual. I'm surprised that TWU doesn't pitch a fit about an ATU operator covering an LI Bus run.
Maybe they have? One way to find out.. ask TWU Local 252:
http://www.twulocal252.org/ContactUs.htm
On the flip side, I can kinda understand what the Supt. was thinking,
Yes, he wants a promotion.. or to keep is already cushy location!
but that does seem odd that a NYC Transit supervisor can order an NYCT operator to cover an LIB run, even though it's the same oversight agency (MTA of NY).
Indeed.
Robert
Isn't that sad?
It's sort of like at my job. I'm an IT professional, but I've covered the front desk to our office suite and phones for a few minutes when needed. I understand that it's not my job, but I don't see anything wrong with giving a helping hand.
Just my opinion, but again I'm not a transit employee or even a union member.
Wayne
1) I'm pretty sure that the QV B/O knew the potential hazards in terms of a possible complaint from TWU. Kudos to him for helping the passengers.
2) That supervisor must be looking for a promotion...lol. That type of thinking keeps the bus system running under all conditions and usually is displayed only by the people at the top.
3) If TWU says nothing, it may lead to a stronger set of unions. After all, if TWU and ATU understand that a common cause is on the table, they could work as one union to protect their employees and provide better service. Of course, such a relationship has to start on the road.
All in all, a nice gesture from the QV B/O and the QV Supervisor.
Several things:
1) I'm pretty sure that the QV B/O knew the potential hazards in terms of a possible complaint from TWU. Kudos to him for helping the passengers.
He's a probie. I don't think he knew anything of the kind. I'm trying to find out more on this.
3) If TWU says nothing, it may lead to a stronger set of unions. After all, if TWU and ATU understand that a common cause is on the table, they could work as one union to protect their employees and provide better service. Of course, such a relationship has to start on the road.
He violated my contract and the contract of LIB. Do you believe the MTA is, or would be as sympathetic when one of their employees violate the contract, regardless of the "greater good"?
In other words, if I have 15 people on my bus that need to make a train at 4PM and I get them there in time to make that train, 12 minutes ahead of schedule, is that ok?
All in all, a nice gesture from the QV B/O and the QV Supervisor.
It was an order. The QV Supt was acting outside of his authority.
I have heard about the iron curtain at NYCT and I believe it. However, a political animal does not have to play by the rules...it simply has them changed or ignored. Not to mention that if the QV N24 got into a collision along the route, any possible MTA penalties would have likely resulted in a PR firestorm, since Nassau County would like to see only a blue stripe on those buses (it means they don't pay...teehee).
BTW, I'm very surprised that ATU 1056 was planning to cross lines. Local 726 was not going to even crank up a single bus. Even some of the independent carriers were only going to pick up from a lot or two on the Island, even though they have the right to go anywhere. That is a substantial fracture that may well lead to Regional Bus with the franchise bus employees. Especially since Long Island Bus is also TWU. You guys may end up trapped in the middle at JAM and QV...heh.
Maybe the MTA got a waiver for its buses. (As far as New Jersey is concerned, I do not believe that there is an OFFICIAL plate as there is in NY State.
LI Bus is TWU, but Local 252, as opposed to Local 100. Also, was ATU 1179 (GBL and Command) planning to cross lines, or would it have gone with 726? Similarly, were the TWU 100 drivers at the other NYCDOT outfits willing to strike with their NYCT brethren (even though they themselves had gone on strike just 17 months earlier?)
I know NJ buses (and taxicabs) have "OMNIBUS". In the DC area WMATA operates (and base) buses in DC, VA and MD and their plates do not have BUS on them.
Wayne
You know more about interstate bus regulations than I, so I'll take your word for it. As far as NYCT is concerned, we "technically" run only local in-state service (yes, I know all about the NJ corridor, etc., but we don't service the state nor pick-up/discharge there).
One consideration to always bear in mind is that NYCT is a city agency, run by the state with subsidy coming from the federal, state and local levels. Therefore, they are an all-encompassing entity of "do what they please, when they please, and answer to nobody".
If you want to get technical, we are not allowed to operate any bus without a valid copy of the NYS DMV registration. Nor operate on any parkway without proper permits. How many buses do you believe contain both these documents?
I have heard about the iron curtain at NYCT and I believe it. However, a political animal does not have to play by the rules...it simply has them changed or ignored.
Exactly. However they are not simply a political animal. They are a governing animal as well. An animal that also has it's own police force with a greater jurisdiction than the NYPD.
Not to mention that if the QV N24 got into a collision along the route, any possible MTA penalties would have likely resulted in a PR firestorm, since Nassau County would like to see only a blue stripe on those buses (it means they don't pay...teehee).
I wish it were me.. If I actually decided to make that trip, which I wouldn't.. but if I had, you would know about it. It would make the 11 o'clock. That's a fact. I may have lost my air on the Meadowbrook, pulled into someone's driveway in Dix Hills, or whatever other interesting tidbit went thropugh my mind at the time...
BTW, I'm very surprised that ATU 1056 was planning to cross lines. Local 726 was not going to even crank up a single bus.
That's because ATU Local 726 is a real union with real leadership. They had no problem with trashing their depot GM's car. Get the point? On the other hand, our FORMER president was too busy with his personal affairs and such to get caught up in any union business...
You guys may end up trapped in the middle at JAM and QV...heh.
I fully expect to lose the ATU completely. No big deal.
This driver didn't even know where Freeport was. Bottom Line was that all the passengers helped him along the trip and i recall even helping the driver get back to Queens
Thank You
When i lived on Long Island and during a LIRR strike i recall going to Jamaica to board an N-4 bus and because of shortages some TA buses from Jamaica Depot were pressed into service on the N-4
An agreement between mamanement(s) and union(s) were negotiated. There were no such discussions in this case. In any event, a strike situation constitutes an emergency situation as an overflow to other affected agencies. One disabled LIB bus is not a NYCT emergency.
Actually, he's a General Superintendent assigned to Queens Road Control (which happens to have its office in a trailer behind QV Depot).
Blah, blah, blah.. with the disbanding of the under-supt titles, there's no difference. And you know it. So why bother?
BIG AL
I don't have any information regarding the bus delivery. We were supposed to receive them 2 years ago :-)
Nobody knows anything in this depot.
Regarding Sweeny.. he's a NYCT manager, not a LIB manager. He doesn't have the authority to enact and declare an "emergency situation" when it pertains to agencies outside NYCT. The fact that LIB lost service is not indicitive of a NYCT emergency, hence lies outside his scope of authority. He violated the contract.
Personally, I would have refused his instructions citing safety concerns (operating in an unknown county on an unknown line where I have never been trained in safe operation) and let him write whatever he wanted to write and deal with it (filing contrary charges against him) at arbitration.
The operator he selected is on probation.. 'nuff said there.
But don't get me wrong, people- it isn't that I _wouldn't want_ to help out LIB or their customers. That's not the issue. The issue is how NYCT runs their agency and how they treat their employees that _is_ the issue.
If they ran their agency differently and treated their employees with even minimal respect, I'd have done it without concern. But the fact remains- they dole out discipline (warranted, or NOT) as if it were sprinkles on ice cream. Any time I can give them back "the shaft", or in this case, the finger, I'm there.
John,
That bus wouldn't be in service at NYCT, but not because of asthetics. Because it poses a significant safety hazard to the public by exposing the engine compartment, and by insecure panels that could dislodge at any time where NYCT would be LIBEL for damages should anyone become injured. Remember, it's all about lawsuits.. not safety.
Man I wish this MTA Bus thing would happen already! It'd be nice to see some buses other than boxes with tanks on top of them! Plus see Mitchell and RVC leave the world of 3rd world bus depots.
I certainly would not want someone driving the route who has not been properly trained on how to do so. You may think that "a bus is a bus and the route is fairly simple"; but alas, that certainly isn't the case. Given that NYCT and LIB are basically two different worlds, I think the expectation that an operator would "fill in as needed" is not only unreasonable and unsafe, but sets a dangerous precedent.
Probationary operator or not, if I were a bus operator, I certainly would not have agreed to drive a route that I was not trained or familiar with. I am sure the operator who took this run did not even have any sort of written breakdown of where the route goes, listing turns, stops and notable trouble spots.
Regards,
Mark Valera
What unions are in each depot and what are the significant differences between them? In this case, who actually has the authority to issue that kind of order? What are managerial positions in each depot and their duties (Unions and NYCT)? Wouldn't Road Control handle the problem and the Road Control Officer? Who actually gave this order and what are his duties? Since there are the ATU and TWU, if the Transit Workers went on strike, whould it be the whole city, including privates, or certain areas?
What is it like working at NYCT? I mean by is the anomosity between the B/Os, mechanics, etc. and management really there? Can anyone share their expriences with any kind of injustice with NYCT management?
I trying to get a sense of how the unions and NYCT management is setup and their relationship with each other
Please respond, Thanks!
MetroB
What unions are in each depot and what are the significant differences between them? In this case, who actually has the authority to issue that kind of order? What are managerial positions in each depot and their duties (Unions and NYCT)? Wouldn't Road Control handle the problem and the Road Control Officer? Who actually gave this order and what are his duties? Since there are the ATU and TWU, if the Transit Workers went on strike, whould it be the whole city, including privates, or certain areas?
What is it like working at NYCT? I mean by is the anomosity between the B/Os, mechanics, etc. and management really there? Can anyone share their expriences with any kind of injustice with NYCT management?
I trying to get a sense of how the unions and NYCT management is setup and their relationship with each other
Please respond, Thanks!
MetroB
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Yesterday .... Just #281 on N22 JAMAICA
Busy day today. First the portion of Ring Road between Nordstrom and the bus stop is still torn up. But for some reason the mall decided to open it to traffic. It was more or less a dirt road. Some buses were going down that when they saw it was open, but supervision ordered buses to continue to detour around the mall in a circle because it was unsafe. Most ops are quite annoyed at this work, and yes, I'm not the only one who thinks NJ malls are much better.
Later on in Greenvale I saw an N23 to Manorhaven heading north on Glen Cove Rd and making a left onto 25a, must've been a detour to yet another fallen tree or power line. And then a few minutes after that I saw bus #288 getting towed down Glen Cove Rd! Man I was glad I had the camera with me! Pics will be coming soon!
"What do you need a tank for?"
YOU NEED A TANK TO SURVIVE
-Sadly the reality of today's roads
There's no question a Hummer would come in handy right about now:
The bus stop
Your mall entrance...inviting...isnt it?
Poor 379, already has a hole in it
Tis the time of the year, busy!
And lastly, Greenvale
N23 in Greenvale, waiting to make left turn on 25a
Poor 288 is in tow. Sure have been seeing the S50s breakin down more lately. Well they're still faster than a Cummins, as long as they're working
But I like to see the movie for the old style bus that the Russians use to get to Bloomies.
I remember taking those busses on Liberty Lines in the early 80's as a kid with my family. I remember those busses even had a restroom on them. Although sitting in the back was highly not recommended because of the fumes. Both the bus exhaust - and the other kind. :-)
I guess they retrofitted clear windows for the movie so that you can catch the expression of the people's faces after they see Robin Williams defect. I remember those busses with the dark tinted windows.
And you have to admit, it was a nice plug for Liberty Lines. There is no mistaking their name. I always wondered why that was done. Usually, a movie studio leases a non descript bus or uses a generic name. Wait a minute - now I get it - LIBERTY lines. Defection, freedom, liberty --- VERY clever. :-)
Still, it is funny that they used an actual name of a bus service and even kept its livery. I wonder how much Liberty wanted to get paid to have them use their name in the movie.....
Just my two pennies.
If you notice any buses used as part of the story line you can always see in or out of the vehicle.
Case in point: Watch the opening scene of Sex in the City where Sarah Jessica Parker gets splashed by an RTS while an ad for her column is on the outside of the vehicle. Notice how clearly you can see the passengers who all seem to be staring straight ahead and not looking out of a window.
1]You can faintly see it, but these buses have a fleet number - 5500
2]The buses are still in the original Neoplan Paint scheme of the 80's, except the black trim in the window area is a greyish scheme instead of black. Also, the white bottom and the striping goes across both the front and rear doors.
3]There are two GLARING errors on the bus. First, on the rear, there are no provisions for rear tail lights. You may have to stencil or paint them on. Second, on the front, the S logo is BACKWARDS.
4] The "17 Penns Landing" route is still on the bus.
When I will get home, I will take pictures of the bus, and post it on my BUS-O-RAMA and PHillyAreaTRansit Yahoo! sites and on the Philadelphia Transit Vehicles MSN site. I give anyone full permission to download it and repost on this site, since I do not know how to post pictures on this site.
The buses are on sale at the Transit Museum Store at 1234 Market St.
They probably painted some of their NJT buses to match the septa scheme. They don't have the little light pieces for th taillights.
THIS IS AMAZING...this bus is more accurate schemewise than the other ones ( except for the 5500 designation) with the GREY trim instead of black.
The logo is backwards? Are you serious? MAybe it's like for the ambulances...people who look back in their mirrors can see a SEPTA bus is behind them!
I have to get downtown immediately...the question is, when?
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Nearly all the buses in London, both in the central business district
and even in the suburbs, are double-decker for a logical reason.
Streets in London date back hundreds of years and are quite narrow.
Double decker buses have a smaller, more narrow base, so they can
get through, while still carrying a large number of passengers.
Older double decker buses required two people to operate and about
a fifth of the fleet are these older buses, used mostly during rush
hours and middays on the heaviest traveled routes. A driver sits in a
small compartment in front and has no contact with the passengers.
Passengers enter through the back of the bus. There's no door. It's open at all times and when you board you don’t have to pay right away. For a short ride you stay downstairs. For a longer ride or if you’re youthful, you climb the narrow, winding staircase to get to the top deck. A conductor must, every few stops, go through
the bus and see if everyone has a valid fare. Many riders have
weekly, monthly or annual passes; most are also valid on the
Underground. If you need a single ride or round trip bus ticket, you
must use pay machines near each bus stop in the Central London district. Outside Central London, you pay the conductor and he issues you a ticket. With these older double deckers, you can jump off or on
a bus, even if it’s only slowed down due to traffic. You don’t have to wait for a bus stop. When a bus does pause at a bus stop, the
conductor rings a bell to let the driver know he can proceed.
The newer double-deckers only need a driver. Passengers must
enter at the front and either flash their ticket or, outside Central
London, they can buy a ticket from the driver. Drivers have little
computers which print tickets and dispense change. Not easy since
drivers are also coping with traffic. Newer double deckers have their
staircases in the center of the vehicle.
About a fifth of the stock are just conventional buses, not
double-deckers, only used on the least-traveled routes. And several
bus routes are now covered by articulated buses. This I don’t
understand, since London streets are so narrow and most bus routes
make numerous turns. Articulated buses only recently hit the streets
of London so they’re undergoing a bit of a test on certain routes. In
the Central London core, you may enter an articulated bus from any
of three doors. You don’t have to show the driver your ticket but are
subject to a fine if a transit worker asks you to produce your ticket
and you don’t have one.
Most London buses have no-step entrances. You cannot sit where
the front two wheels are, although above those wheels are flat,
carpeted places to put luggage or groceries on. Seats in the back
rise up so you can sit above the rear wheels. London is far ahead of
NYC in not forcing older riders to climb three big steps to enter
a bus. Even the older double deckers have only a small step to get
into the lower passenger compartment. But remember due to
London’s narrow streets, you really can’t have many standees in any
bus due to the narrow aisles. Standees are not permitted on the
upper deck of a double decker.
Here’s another way London buses differ from NYC. Since London
streets are NOT arranged on a grid, the bus routes are also NOT on a
grid. There’s no such thing as an M79 bus shuttling from East 79th
St. and East End Avenue to West 79th St. and Riverside Drive... or
the M101, M102 and M103 covering Lexington/Third Avenues, only
diverging once you get to Harlem in the north or the Lower East Side
to the south.
A typical stretch of major street in Central London may have 8 or
more bus lines, some routes separating every five or six blocks,
going in many directions. (London Road near Waterloo Station has a
record 20 bus lines.) So if you live on W. 86 Street but it was in a
section of London, you’d likely have numerous lines stopping on your
street, one heading for the East Side, one for Harlem, one for
Midtown, one for Queens and one for the Bronx. Unlike most cities
with a subway system, London bus routes do not fan out from
various stations along each tube line. The Underground doesn’t act
as much of a feeder system to buses in the suburbs. London doesn’t
have a Flushing at the end of the 7 line or a Jamaica at the end of
the E, F, J and Z lines, where dozens of bus routes depart to help
riders continue their journeys to neighborhoods not served by
subway lines.
Because the tube doesn’t run from 12:30 to 6am, there are a large
number of night bus routes (designated with the letter N before their
numbers). In NYC, most overnight buses run every 40 to 60 minutes
(while subway lines run every 20 minutes in the early hours). But
because there’s no tube service, some London buses run as
frequently as every 15 minutes overnight and most run every
half-hour. Night bus routes usually follow the same roads as their
daytime counterparts, although some may be extended in the
suburbs to also serve passengers that might normally take another
line or tube route.
London’s buses are operated as they have been since the days of
horse-drawn carriages... by about 10 independent contractors.
There are a dizzying number of fares for buses and the tube
determined by zones and what ticket or pass you possess. That
differs with NYC’s pay one price Metrocard whether you take a bus
five blocks or take a subway and bus between Far Rockaway and
Rivervale. If you only want to take a bus in the central London district, you only pay 70p. That's a little over a dollar. And on a long trip, you might be able to save a dollar or two if you use a bus instead of the Underground.
Some bus shelters have electronic signs telling you which bus routes
will soon be arriving and how long you will wait for the next bus.
Many Underground stations have that too... and I can’t wait for NYC
to get this feature. The website for Transport for London is
www.tfl.co.uk and that includes a computerized Journey Planner in
which you can type in any two addresses in London and its suburbs.
In an instant the Journey Planner will tell you which tube, bus and
rail lines to take, where to transfer and how many minutes you’ll
need for your trip. It even estimates how many minutes will be
needed to transfer from one line to another in a given tube station.
Summing up, I have just one complaint that may be a bit unpleasant
to report. All buses and tube cars have upholstered cushioned seats.
Yes, that’s very comfortable compared with NYC’s hard plastic seats
on subways and buses. But I wonder if anyone is cleaning those
cloth-covered seats on a regular basis?
Weren't the buses all run by London Transport at one time, and then privatized in the 1980's and 1990's?
JD
Weren't the buses all run by London Transport at one time, and then privatized in the 1980's and 1990's?
That is correct, not to mention that Transport for London is the entity that contracts out the bus routes. Much like what NJ Transit does with Community Coach, Academy and Connex nowadays.
Incidentally, London IIRC had double-deck trams (streetcars) before the buses; if I am not mistaken, Manhattan had double-decker buses running on 5th Avenue long before London had Leyland Titans or AEC Regents/Routemasters…
After being in London for nearly two weeks, I have to say I’m very impressed with the bus system. While the tubes (subways) are not as good as NYC, London has a better bus system than we do
I don’t know about that, especially relating ot the fare structure (not unified with the Tube incidentally)…certainly, there is no flat fare, which can lead to rapid confusion for new users, not to mention that there are no free or reduced-fare transfers between bus routes.
Most London buses have no-step entrances. You cannot sit where the front two wheels are, although above those wheels are flat, carpeted places to put luggage or groceries on. Seats in the back rise up so you can sit above the rear wheels. London is far ahead of NYC in not forcing older riders to climb three big steps to enter a bus
Looks like you missed the era of the Leyland Atlanteans, which had at least two steps up to the lower-deck seating area. Also, NYC does have low-floor buses, BTW, plus wheelchair lifts on high-floor buses that passengers unable to get on the bus despite the kneeling feature can avail of.
With these older double deckers, you can jump off or on a bus, even if it’s only slowed down due to traffic. You don’t have to wait for a bus stop
That is false and illegal. I do not recommend anyone doing that. Wait for a regular bus stop, or at least a location where the bus is stopped in traffic adjacent to a sidewalk—and even then, make sure you have the conductor’s OK beforehand.
And several bus routes are now covered by articulated buses. This I don’t
understand, since London streets are so narrow and most bus routes make numerous turns
One reason is that Leyland is out of the bus-building business, and newer buses built by Alexander, Volvo, M-A-N, Daf, and other builders have longer wheelbases that cannot handle the tight turns. Another reason is that artics can actually make tighter turns than double-deckers—note that the turning radius is governed by the wheelbase of the front part of the bus, not the entire bus.
Articulated buses only recently hit the streets of London so they’re undergoing a bit of a test on certain routes. In the Central London core, you may enter an articulated bus from any of three doors. You don’t have to show the driver your ticket but are subject to a fine if a transit worker asks you to produce your ticket and you don’t have one
Sounds like they are trying out POP on the articulated buses. Anything to cut the conductors’ jobs—however, that means that conductors have to be upgraded to fill the ranks of the many inspectors necessary to keep POP running smoothly.
Here’s another way London buses differ from NYC. Since London streets are NOT arranged on a grid, the bus routes are also NOT on a grid. There’s no such thing as an M79 bus shuttling from East 79th St. and East End Avenue to West 79th St. and Riverside Drive... or the M101, M102 and M103 covering Lexington/Third Avenues, only diverging once you get to Harlem in the north or the Lower East Side to the south
No offense, but I think that you are underestimating the intelligence of your audience—do you really have to state the obvious? Since grid building started with Mahattan in general and is less than two centuries old, such a thing can be taken for granted…not to mention that London dates back to the days of the Romans, when it was called Londinium and that city-building back then was more or less radial away from the regent’s palace as well as determined by the curvature of the river (the Thames in London’s case, being quite winding due to London being far inland).
London’s buses are operated as they have been since the days of horse-drawn carriages...by about 10 independent contractors
This is false, as noted in another reply. For several decades, the routes were government-operated, via London Transport. Private contract operation came about during the 1990s and has actually complicated things to a greater degree. Also, during the days of horses and carriages, there were no buses for the most part in London, but trams.
Some bus shelters have electronic signs telling you which bus routes will soon be arriving and how long you will wait for the next bus. Many Underground stations have that too...and I can’t wait for NYC to get this feature
That would be another excuse for the MTA to raise fares, you know. Not to mention that passengers will complain if inaccurate information appears on the display.
All buses and tube cars have upholstered cushioned seats. Yes, that’s very comfortable compared with NYC’s hard plastic seats on subways and buses. But I wonder if anyone is cleaning those cloth-covered seats on a regular basis?
Do you really have to wonder, when to determine such a thing you merely have to look at the seats?
Today the first thing I saw today due to a detour I had to take today saw 4267 approaching on the F14 and I noticed something odd. For one, one of its back doors had been replaced but not painted, so it was grey along with the a couple of skirt panels near that back door so it looks odd, an odd sight to see. After leaving work I saw another bus broken down on northbound I-395 don't know which garage it came from, so I don't know the number. ATTENTION PLEASE COULD SOMEONE FIX THE ANTENNA ON 2342, because its front destination sign was doing the flips, it was flipping from top to bottom. Lastly I saw a double header on the F1, seeing both 30 footer 3933 and repower 9643.
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I think every time I get on a bus I either get into a conversation with a girl, asked for directions or the occasional compliment. Of course I'm not about to become unfaithful, but I think it's cool that they seem to often come my way.
Wayne
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Did you take that shot yesterday? I saw 6791 on the Rhode Island Ave route yesterday afternoon when I was in College Park.
Wayne
Actually I interviewed at UMD in '99, but their salaries well below the market.
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BTW, both Baltimores sold for a healthy price, as did the WMATA 9301.
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They are installing lifts to handle Artics, currently ENY can't handle them right now nor any other Brooklyn Depot...
I wonder if Flatbush gets the lifts installed there how many Artics would it be able to accomadate.
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Metrobuses have been breaking down more frequently, getting in more accidents and, in some cases, not starting up at all over the last 12 months, leaving passengers waiting at bus stops throughout the region.
Metro officials said that several factors are driving down reliability of the 1,450 Metrobuses in its fleet and that the problems will probably continue through the winter, when harsh weather typically hurts mechanical performance. Metrobuses carry nearly as many passengers as the rail system; riders took an average of 533,000 daily bus trips last month.
One major problem sidelining buses is a new filter being installed on diesel buses that is designed to catch particulate matter, or soot, that pollutes the air and causes respiratory problems. The filters, made by Detroit Diesel, are clogging prematurely and causing engines to shut down, said Phillip C. Wallace, Metro's general superintendent for bus maintenance.
When the filter clogs, the bus must be taken out of service for about a day while the filter is cleaned or a new filter is installed, Wallace said. About 300 of 900 diesel buses have been fitted with the filters. Metro has stopped installing them until the filter manufacturer fixes the problem, Wallace said.
Metro also has been pulling buses from service to install new radios, upgrade hydraulic systems and replace leaking hoses. While that work is being done, those buses are replaced on their routes by 17-year-old buses that have been "pulled out of mothballs" and have a tendency to break down, Wallace said.
Meanwhile, Metro has endured a "massive" turnover of mechanics, who perform the major repairs, and shifters, who perform daily maintenance such as replenishing fluids, Wallace said. As a result, work crews are relatively inexperienced and mechanical work takes longer, he said.
The result is that increasingly, Metrobuses never make it out of the garage to serve their scheduled route and roadside calls for mechanical help are made from an operator in a broken-down bus. In addition, buses are traveling 5,040 miles between breakdowns; the agency's goal is to have buses travel 6,300 miles between breakdowns. Wallace said he doesn't expect any improvement in the mechanical performance of the bus fleet until the spring
Accidents involving Metrobuses are becoming more frequent. The agency's goal is an accident rate no higher than 3.4 for every 100,000 miles of service. But the rate has been increasing steadily since May, reaching 5.4 accidents per 100,000 miles last month.
A management task force is trying to determine why Metrobus drivers are having more accidents.
One reason offered by managers is the inexperience of bus operators. About 41 percent of bus operators have less than three years' experience. That group accounts for 58 percent of the accidents, said Jack Requa, Metro's chief operating officer for buses.
Tangee C. Mobley, Metro's general superintendent of bus transportation, said that the agency is expanding training for new operators and is looking at a range of issues -- where accidents occur, at what time of day, on which lines -- to better understand the problem and find ways to reduce accidents.
The rail system faces some reliability problems, said Lem Proctor, Metro's chief operating officer for rail. The transit system continues to have difficulties with its newest rail cars, the Spanish-made CAF cars. CAF's work has been marred by balky software, assembly plant problems and other difficulties that have delayed delivery of 192 rail cars by nearly two years. Metro has 178 of the rail cars and expects the remainder by February, Proctor said.
The CAF cars, distinctive for their red, white and blue interiors, are plagued by chronic problems with doors, brakes and automatic train control. On any given day, about 30 percent of the cars are sidelined because of those problems.
The cars are not meeting Metro's reliability standards, which call for rail cars to travel 72,000 between breakdowns. The CAF cars are running about 40,000 miles between breakdowns, Proctor said.
As a result, Proctor said, Metro has put on hold a plan to add seven trains during peak hours on the Red Line, which is the heaviest-traveled Metro line.
From what I think Ray told me, DD has ironed out the problem with the pollution reducing EGR valves on their new DD50's, so hopefully this is true.
A management task force is trying to determine why Metrobus drivers are having more accidents.
I wanna say lack of competent drivers, but bad automobile drivers could also play a big factor. Proper driver training could also come into question. And if not that, then WMATA should hire a certain Drivin Genuis;-)
The rail system faces some reliability problems, said Lem Proctor, Metro's chief operating officer for rail. The transit system continues to have difficulties with its newest rail cars, the Spanish-made CAF cars. CAF's work has been marred by balky software, assembly plant problems and other difficulties that have delayed delivery of 192 rail cars by nearly two years. Metro has 178 of the rail cars and expects the remainder by February, Proctor said.
From what I remember, the CAF cars were jointly built with a company based out of Baltimore, and although this may not be true of all joint projects, take a look at the R68's. They were built by a joint effort by Westinghouse and Amrail Industries. The lack of coordination and failure to have one central plant caused the R68's to be problematic, way more so than the R68A's, which were built only by Kawasaki. Hopefully the upcoming Alstom order for WMATA isn't marred by their recent finance problems.
Well, here is another article from the Diamondback that pretty much echoes a bigger problem: WMATA's dire need for more funding:
http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/archives/2003/11/12/news3.html
In the terms of funding, if WMATA was only in one state, funding would have been easier in terms of a authority that would raise taxes just for transit, but since you have to deal with 8 jurisdictions and two states and DC who don't want a such authority, HELL, they fight over simple funding issues, that won't happen and that might kill WMATA. With such funding, WMATA might not have the problems they are having now. And WMATA can't keep raising fares, they will drive too many people to there cars and that won't be good for anyone.
Draw your won conclusions, please.
Draw your won conclusions, please.
Clock Ticks As City Tries To Negotiate Deal On "Private Buses"
NOVEMBER 21ST, 2003
The clock is ticking as the city tries to negotiate a new deal on private bus lines.
The current agreement with seven companies expires at the end of the year. The mayor has been pushing the MTA to take over the lines, saying it would save the city $100 million, but there's no deal yet.
On Friday morning, Brooklyn Borough president Marty Markowitz told NY1 the Mayor could reach an agreement if he wants to.
¡°All we're saying is get it done,¡± said Markowitz. ¡°Get it resolved before the end of the year. And if they want to get it done. He was able to take over the Board of Ed. He made it the Department of Ed. He got the governor to move on it. Get this done. It's a snap.¡±
More than 100,000 riders use the buses each day to get to work.
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"DOH!"
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BTW the bus I normally see on that trip to 64 St is usually a 95xx Series Nova RTS but today it was 8520 that covered it
Busy day today. In the morning the Ring Road detour was in effect, but we had a good b/o and a well functioning Cummins (#159), took off like a rocket ship flying through Queens.
Then later I got on the S53 at Bay Ridge. This is one slow, crowded route. Seems to run abit more infrequently compared to the S79. This was an Orion V hard seater. Took it Clove Rd and Victory Blvd, where I got the S61 to the New Springville/SI Mall area. Man this old delapidated RTS was the worst I've ever seen, this #8308 POS rode awful and was so dirty inside. All the seats in the back were just covered in dirt. This bus is worse than anything we have at LI Bus. Those old RTS's at Yukon are garbage, even with the series 50 it sounded just awful. Couldn't wait to get off of that thing.
After the mall I took an S59 to Eltingville, this was an Orion V with the felt seats (#6244). Was pretty fast but man this bus was dirty. All scratched up too. The SI division really has a scratchitti problem. But from the looks around SI, there's grafitti EVERYWHERE. By the mall, on the fences along Hylan, I dont remember seeing so much grafitti anywhere before.
I took an express bus, the x1 back to Manhattan. Its just a little faster along Hylan blvd vs the local buses. At least this bus was clean. It seems SI seems to focus on their MCI OTR buses and neglect the transits. Anyway we finally got moving along the Gowanus, but after the Battery tunnel and on the beginning of 6th we hit awful traffic. Apparently the traffic was backing up from the Holland onto area streets. North of there we were OK until around 34th where I got off, more traffic. With all the traffic express buses really dont save any time, they are just more comfortable. The R to 86th and the S79 seem to be the fastest way between Manhattan and SI without dealing with the Bumferry.
Manhattan really needs some plan to get single occupant vehicles out of the CBD's. I can see since the ban was lifted things have gotten worse. Congestion pricing is really the answer.
Anyway going back my bus was on time but the bus before it, an N22 short run to Roosevelt Field which was supposed to leave 179st at 7:13pm didn't show until 7:30pm and alot of people were pissed.
My bus was right behind it and thus we "dragged the line" a bit but we were fairly empty until Roosevelt Field.
Look like they finally paved that portion of Ring Road. But who knows what the mall will do next?
Well I hope that this is the asssignment for artics for WF. But I doubt it would happen. If that happens the Q44 would get split Orion service from CS and artic service from WF. With the 1998 artics coming in now 39 of them plus 5779-5835. But these are the correct assignments
5684-5715 (32)KB
5716-5746 (31)WF
5747-5778 (32) MJQ
5779-5812 (34) CS
5813-5835 (23) OHS
This is how WF will likely turn out
160 Orion 7 CNG, 70Artics,66 1999 Orion V=296 buses. ThatOrion V number might be cut down to 30/31 range. I dont see WF with 97 artics
WF can hold 307-330 buses, but do they really need all of those buses, manybe the Q44 would be spilt if that happens.
Queens Pride
7031 Q2
5163 Q77
5755 Q44
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Quill only has 58 artics right now. They had 72 + 5510-5525+ a remodeled 5407 that looks like a 2003.
But when 100st open they gave up 1000-1028. The M86 is leaving, but they are gaining at least 2 more artic routes. M14 is a heavy route, ever rode that? M42 is also a heavy route. They have 1029-1069, 5407, 5510-5525. now but it makes sense that they get some more artics if they are getting another artic route. Plus the Q44 might not be all artic, or if it is they will have to have some spare buses left over, so dont be surprised if you see them on rush hour heavy routes in CS. Isnt some Q44 tied in with other runs for other routes just like the M15, 116, M31. We will see.
MJQ do need artics because the M14 would be converted to a Artic Line and if the M14 still got converted to a artic line but MJQ did not get extra artics for the M14, The cut in service for the M14 would be 2x worse
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He also said 5801 broke down again.
The one complaint is the weekend evening Circuit, which on weekend evenings becomes the Drunk Tank for obvious reasons. The route originally was created as a safety route for those not willing to walk across campus in the dark.
Now, it has way overgrown its intended purpose as buses almost always bunch togther on weekends, leap frog ahead of one another because the bus is COMPLETELY full of people looking to head off to parties on Route 1 and Frat Row, noth with the intention of getting hammered. The bus bunching and buses passing over potential riders because the bus is packed to cruch load happens every weekend!
One of the contributors to this problem is that the bus fills up at one stop, Elkton Hall. The bus is almost always half to 3/4 completely full after leaving this stop. Many students live in this area and want to go across campus towards the bars and clubs on Route
1 and Frat Row. So then what happens to the other large loads of crowds which aways get on at LaPlata and Cambridge? Nothing! They can't get on cause the bus is already freakin full!
Because of this, a friend of mine at UMD and possibly Tristan are going to suggest and plan a revision of the Circuit for those in charge at Shuttle-UM, because the current service now is making many students late for their gatherings or late to their points of arrivals.
3 buses do the evening Circuit, and we could cut short one of the buses to only loop around Route 1 instead of going into the side streets on the other side of Route 1. This bus would start at Elkton instead of Lot HH and be run by a 40 footer instead of a 35 foot bus.
We also suggest adding a 4th bus to the evening Circuit, and have the 3 existing ones run as usual and the extra bus run the shortened modified Circuit.
~future Shuttle UM driver?
Our Flxibles are getting old and are near the end of their useful lives. It sucks that we bought Gilligs in 2001 to supplement the fleet. If Shuttle-UM gets their way, they'll probably get more Gilligs. Bleccch.
Sigh, Ride On without gilligs equals Orions...I'll miss the Gilligs, though...
Speaking of which, you mentioned that UMd piggybacked onto the MTA Maryland order when they got their Flxibles. I don't know the structure of Maryland State government, but did the University pay for the buses? Aren't there FTA rules regarding non-FTA grantees piggybacking onto orders by FTA grantees, or am I thinking of another area?
I'm not sure if they fixed the bunching problems, but I remember a long time ago they instituted a limited stop route on one portion of the Town Loop. So Instead of having 4-5 bus stops of people cramming at the first one to fight their way onto the bus and have all the buses pass everyother stop, the Link(it was called) skipped those stops and only serviced one stop in that area and so forth. Like a skip-stop pattern. The Link was always empty when it came to either stop #2 or #3 in that area(i can't remember which exactly) instead of being overpacked, or only had room for 10 people. Now it was evenly dispearsed between the stops, and you didn't have to fight at stop #1 or watch 10 buses pass by before a later one had room. Bascially I always got a bus in 10 minutes.
They got rid of that pattern for some reason a few weeks later while toying with the whole system, and I was going to give input, but I transferred. When I left thought they still had the Link making the same stops as the Town Loop therefore everyone crowded at the first stop, and if you stood anywhere else, you never got a bus now. I dont' know if they went back to the working system or not. I would assume they do now, but all the people that run the buses and ride them seem to be surburbian or small mining town folks who don't know how to ride a bus anyway.
And some from 179st at night
The Q76 seems to run mostly soft seated "express" Orions. Also there seems to be alot more Orions in general at 179st. I was hoping to get some RTS shots but there were none stopped close enough to photograph.
The N22 bus #162 was running 25 min behind schedule.
Here is a more specific example. In 1967 I rode GM Old Looks to and from school everyday. It was clear that the black kids that were 'bussed in' to JHS 74 rode older Old Looks. Our's had manual exit only rear doors. Their's had power rear doors, that was the main discernable difference, but theirs looked older and shabbier. I always considered this to be a blatant example of institutional racism.
Did anyone else ever notice this trend...and do you see it today?
As hackneyed and corny as this will sound..I had alot of good friends on those crappy old buses that struggled their way back to Jamaica.
It is surely not my intention to incite any ill will or "war". I doubt this will cause any problems...no hard feelings.
I noticed the quality of the buses seemed tohave something to do with the neighborhoods they ran through, also.
The Bx1 on the Councourse always got better equipment than the BX41 on Webster.
However, those same buses on the BX41 were also on the Bx4 on Bainbridge, and that neighborhood wasn't oo bad in those days.
When did the Bx41 and Bx4 operated out of the same depot? I remember them operating out of different depots, even when the Bx4 was the Bx42.
I don't think, however, that this has anything to do with buses. Better off people in better off neighborhoods generally do not ride them, and even if they do, it isn't something they are going to organize and work the system about.
Perhaps 30 years ago things were different.
The last of the pre 1990 buses retired were the RTS buses. In their last days they were used on heavy traffic routes like the 2 abd the 65, which carried a number of minority riders, the 5, 20, 52, 77, and the 80 which carried school kids through the ghettos. It was very intentional. When the Flxibles were retired from the ghetto Hiram Clarke garage, RTS buses were plucked from West and Fallbrook and sent to ply the 5 and 52 lines instead of just sending newer buses out there.
Now, every line has new buses. But, now, that's all there are.
Also, I would not class St. Albans and Laurelton as "poorer neighborhoods". There is by far no shortage of middle and upper income households in those neighborhoods.
2) The BxM4 runs straight down Grand Concourse because the Grand Concourse in its northern end has middle-income folks. Plus, you must understand that that bus would lose time heading crosstown for an expressway.
3) Your second point is 100% correct.
The MTA/NYCDOT only sends express bus service to middle-income or politically connected areas. The X28's terminal is in Sea Gate and therefore must run past other neighborhoods to get there. Then they complain about the vans, which obviously tap into a similar convienience market as the express bus.
2) The BxM4 runs straight down Grand Concourse because the Grand Concourse in its northern end has middle-income folks. Plus, you must understand that that bus would lose time heading crosstown for an expressway.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the routing of the BxM4A and 4B. That routing has existed since the beginning of service. Evidently people along the Grand Concourse ride the buses since they run that route, but definately a lot of the Grand Concourse are less than middle income.
As far as the bus would lose time heading crosstown for an expressway, well guess what, BxM4B has just that service during peak periods. In the mornings, some buses make all stops to 233rd St, then run non-stop via the Major Deegan until they reach Manhattan and vice versa during the pm rush.
In the mid to late 1970s. Several express bus routes appreared because the subway was unreliable. I can also assure you that demographic shift does not invalidate my point. Look at the amount of service compared to other Bronx express services that run all day.
"Evidently people along the Grand Concourse ride the buses since they run that route"
The only thing that is evident is that there is a franchise for that route and the city must run the route unless they end the franchise. The Q9A carries 25,000 people per year on 16 one way trips. That's 6 passengers per trip. Is that use? Does because a route exists doesn't mean it is being used.
"As far as the bus would lose time heading crosstown for an expressway, well guess what, BxM4B has just that service during peak periods. In the mornings, some buses make all stops to 233rd St, then run non-stop via the Major Deegan until they reach Manhattan and vice versa during the pm rush."
Check the service area up there. Then see if there is enough population to run the route all day as a super express. Of course not. The city must fulfill its obligations in the most cost-effective manner possible. The BxM4B can't run like that all day.
It's perfectly fine if you don't believe that express buses are planned to serve middle-income and higher areas. However, I point only to facts, not to beliefs. Many poor neighborhoods have very high transit ridership and you'd think an express bus could serve those areas well. But not a single poor or working class neighborhood has an express bus catered to its needs in a city of 8 million people. Furthermore, almost every single new express bus route I've read about (primary commuting direction...reverse commute is different) in the last 5-8 years across the nation seems to serve the same population because express buses are considered PREMIUM transportation and thus, certain economic areas are not targeted for something agencies don't think they can afford. As someone who also plans routes on an independent basis, I am also required to analyze which routes do and don't work and for what reasons so I don't make the same mistake.
For the record, economic status is a totally different discussion from race, just so that I'm not misunderstood by anyone.
1) Pay $1.25 for a commuter van to a subway (that fare is going up to $1.50 soon) + $1.67 for the subway (unlimited pass) in each direction to be on time.
2) Transfer more than twice for their trip.
3) Stand for more than 1 hour on the train. Yes, I've done it enough...it bites.
There's a huge myth about low-income riders being somehow unable to pay for more direct service. In looking through the transcripts from several JARC meetings (Job Access & Reverse Commute), many low-income people had to spring for cabs a few times each month to make sure they reach work on time. In addition, many higher paying entry-level jobs don't live on local bus lines. One social service organization said people would pay up to $3 each way (double the base fare back then) to get to better paying jobs. If the commuter vans tell us anything, low-income and working class people will pay for faster and/or more direct service.
In short, I can see 5 or 6 markets supporting such a service within the city limits.
2) Granted. But this can be an issue for anyone, and I've long thought that the two-hour transfer privilege should be turned into a two-hour unlimited usage period. And the issue vanishes for those who travel regularly enough to use an unlimited card.
3) I've done it many times. This problem isn't limited to lower-income areas. In fact, I'd suggest that most lower-income areas are far enough away from midtown that seats are readily available on the train. (Some people may give up their seats so they can transfer to an express. That's their prerogative, but they have the alternative option of leaving a few minutes early and staying on the local.) Areas closer in are worse off, since there are invariably no seats left and direct subway service is only on one line, so more transfers are necessary. I once had a commute -- it was only a few miles, but it took 45 minutes -- that went something like this: stand on the platform waiting for the train, stand on the train for a few stops, walk through the Times Square complex, stand on the platform waiting for the train, stand on the train for one stop, walk through the Grand Central complex, stand on the platform waiting for the train, stand on the train one stop, walk over half a mile. Only a few minutes of that commute was actually on the train, but every minute of that commute was on my feet. I am not aware of any express buses from the Upper West Side to NYU Medical Center.
My own opinion on express buses? There's no reason for them to be so heavily subsidized. The subsidy should be lowered to the subsidy toward a typical bus or subway route, and fares should be raised to cover the difference. Most if not all subsidized express bus routes will stop running and this argument will come to a close.
1) The thing is that many people have responsibilities that prevent them from leaving their house earlier. How early do you want to wake your kids up and get them to school? If you can't use that time when you leave earlier, all you have done is lengthened your total day. I don't believe that this is the way to live a quality life. I've been on packed 6:15am trains...rush hour starts very early in the city.
2) Lower-income neighborhoods are all over the place. High-income neighborhoods sit in the core and very close to it, usually adjoined by a working-class or lowe income neighborhood, but farther out, you switch again to a higher-income neighborhood for folks that want some quiet. It isn't as clear cut as it seems. If you have taken the 7 or the A train over its entire route, you will see a mix of incomes there.
Express buses are heavily subsidized because they aren't operated creatively. If more reverse-commute and interlining was done, the cost would come down. However, it is expensive to have a bus make one round-trip a day. Extending the hours of operation can also bring unit costs down, although total costs may still go up. I think that several lines would survive at $5 per head because many people are scared of the subway or like the convienience. Of course, most of these areas are far from the subway and the express buses are supposed to be their "replacement", while some are "augmentations" to the subway system. If they were operated like they are in NJ, where private carriers get the bus as a subsidy, the cost would come down.
In the mid to late 1970s. Several express bus routes appeared because the subway was unreliable. I can also assure you that demographic shift does not invalidate my point. Look at the amount of service compared to other Bronx express services that run all day.
"Evidently people along the Grand Concourse ride the buses since they run that route"
The only thing that is evident is that there is a franchise for that route and the city must run the route unless they end the franchise. The Q9A carries 25,000 people per year on 16 one way trips. That's 6 passengers per trip. Is that use? Just because a route exists doesn't mean it is being used.
"As far as the bus would lose time heading crosstown for an expressway, well guess what, BxM4B has just that service during peak periods. In the mornings, some buses make all stops to 233rd St, then run non-stop via the Major Deegan until they reach Manhattan and vice versa during the pm rush."
Check the service area up there. Then see if there is enough population to run the route all day as a super express. Of course not. The city must fulfill its obligations in the most cost-effective manner possible. The BxM4B can't run like that all day.
It's perfectly fine if you don't believe that express buses are planned to serve middle-income and higher areas. However, I point only to facts, not to beliefs. Many poor neighborhoods have very high transit ridership and you'd think an express bus could serve those areas well. But not a single poor or working class neighborhood has an express bus catered to its needs in a city of 8 million people. Furthermore, almost every single new express bus route I've read about (primary commuting direction...reverse commute is different) in the last 5-8 years across the nation seems to serve the same population because express buses are considered PREMIUM transportation and thus, certain economic areas are not targeted for something agencies don't think they can afford. As someone who also plans routes on an independent basis, I am also required to analyze which routes do and don't work and for what reasons so I don't make the same mistake.
For the record, economic status is a totally different discussion from race, just so that I'm not misunderstood by anyone.
Now, the MBTA has almost 400 new CNG buses being delivered from Neoplan and NABI and these will run in the city, while the suburbs will receive the refurbished mid-1990's RTS buses.
No racism there.
JD
I am not disputing back in the 60's, small minded people ran older buses in poorer neighborhoods but today that can not be further from the truth. In fact depots such as Ulmer park that runs buses in mostly middle class neighborhoods has some of the oldest dirtiest buses in the city while the bronx and has some of the newest.
I am tired of people trying to pull the race card to explain everything. The fact of the matter is that race is not a large determing factor in determining things as some make it out to be. The people who try to use the race card tend to use it as a smoke screen for what they are trying to accomplish
I have to agree with you on that. Back in the '70s and early '80s, I think race did indeed play an important role in bus assignments.
Today, in Brooklyn for example, you have Ulmer Park in which a lot of their routes run in predominately white neighborhood which have a lot of the oldest buses in the system, then you have East New York Depot in which a lot of their routes run in predominately black neighborhood which have mostly newer buses. That depot alone has the largest share of the last Novabuses (125 to be exact) the MTA received of any depot in the city.
You say I "pull the race card to explain everything". OK. What exactly does that mean? Please explain...because that is a very non specific statement.
You refer to "using the race card as a smoke screen for what they are trying to accomplish" But you go no further...you fail to develope your acusation. Right there...you drop the ball, and your position falls flat...unless you can tell us...what you think I was trying to "accomplish". Since you seem to know....please share it with us...what was I trying to accomplish... I would be interested to know....
I stand by what I said...I know what I saw, and others have agreed with me...if you see that as a "race card", either you spent too much time watching the O.J. trial...or aren't willing to digest some honest observations, stated here in an honest, journalistic way.
Maybe you should have used African Americans.
And people need to remove stick from ass because people are getting up in arms about a very REALISTIC observation. Who the hell pulled the race card? Are we too immature to disucss race here? Hike up your panties ladies, I see your frills. Shit.
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I know what Dash 80 means though. It used to be that way, now I'm not really sure.
When the NABIs arrived in 1996, SEPTA made what I felt at the time was at least a good faith effort to put those buses on most of its lines in the city. However, even for a few years after they arrived, NABIs weren't everywhere in the system, the common excuse being that they couldn't be safely operated down some of the narrower streets. A few examples (as best as I can recall):
Route 3 along Kensington Av and Cecil B Moore Av (nee Columbia). This is still the case today, although a few New Flyers do sneak in on the 3 from time to time on weekends; Flyer sightings on the 3, however are very rare (Kensington and CB Moore are very rough neighborhoods)
Route 12 along Grays Ferry Av and Walnut-Locust. The majority of buses covering this line were 3100/3200 Neos up until the Flyer arrived. Grays Ferry Av isn't as bad as Kensington Av, but it's not exactly Chestnut Hill either. Of course, the 12 is a Flyer only line, as it has been designated a bike rack route.
Route 15 along Girard Av. Width issues plus the ongoing restoration of LRV service along Girard resulted in the 15 being one of only two Neo strongholds left in Callowhill (the 46 being the other).
Route 17 along S 19/20 Sts in South Philly. It took a couple years before NABIs started covering the 17 on a regular basis.
Route 23 along Germantown Av. This line may end up seeing Neos for a couple more years, owing to the fact that parts of Germantown Av are very narrow. Yet, I wouldn't call the entire line "poor" as it does serve Chestnut Hill and middle class neighborhoods such as Mt Airy, but it does hit some rough stretches of North Philadelphia and Germantown proper.
Route 25 between Frankford and Pier 70 via Aramingo and Delaware Av. It wasn't until last year when Flyers and NABIs starting appearing on this line. Mostly 3300s and 3400s covering runs here, which includes working class/middle class areas Port Richmond, Fishtown, Bridesburg, and the Delaware Av corridor.
Route 26 between Olney and Germantown. When the 26 was at Frankford, 8800s and some 3000s were the main buses on this line.
Route 31 along Market St in West Philadelphia. Part of the reason was the narrow width underneath the Market St El. Even before the 31 was detoured off Market due to El reconstruction, some NABIs and Flyers were starting to show up.
Route 33 along N 22 St. This was a major bone of contention within North Philly up until the Neo artics arrived three years ago. The 33 exclusively saw 3300/3400 Neos before Allegheny became an all artic depot. Only rarely did a "newer" NABI put in an appearance on the 33.
Route 46 along 60 St. Goes through parts of West Philly and Southwest Philly, but there were some width issues in the Overbrook area.
Route 61 along Ridge Av. Operates through some rough sections of North Philly just east of Fairmount Park. Still sees Neos, though oddly enough, most of the Neos that I've seen on the 61 lately are the soft-seat ex-Red Arrow/Frontier buses.
Route 70 along Cottman Av. This is a fairly middle class corridor, operating through Northeast Philly and parts of Cheltenham Twp and the Fern Rock section of the city, yet most of the buses used on the 70 were the 8700s and an occasionally 3100 from Comly. This is also a heavy school trip line, particularly with Northeast HS in that corridor (the only Neos now at Comly are 3100s and are held for school trips exclusively).
Route G only recently started seeing a mix of NABIs and Flyers added to the Neos from Southern. However, most of the Flyers came from Callowhill before all G runs (save a few school trips) were moved to Southern this past fall.
Routes J and K between Frankford and Germantown were also a pair of lines that would always see the older 8800s and 3000s from Frankford. The K is now a bike line (all Flyers), but the J still sees some Neos from time to time.
On the flip side, the 52 operates through the heart of West Philly, but NABIs almost always showed up on that line when they were delivered. Same with the 21/42 lines and the 54 along Lehigh Av, the C along Broad St, the 47 along N 5 St.
And these are only a few examples in the city (there are others, but my time is a wee bit short). AFA in the suburbs, it seems like most of the buses during the day (save for Sundays) that I see on the 104 are Neos. And seemingly the slowest Neos at that.
The 109 operates to Chester (very rough city), but passes through some fairly well off neighborhoods. That was a Neo only line until the Flyers arrived.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
Robert
Robert
Commercial Driver Training Instiute on Patton Ave / Wellwood Road in West Babylon had 3 ex- Bee line Modified Slope-backs for training purposes, replacing ex-NYBS fishbowls. Don't know if they're still there.
Also Seashore Trolley Museum in Kennebunc, Maine, has 5 small slope-backs. They're looking to sell off 4 of them if you're interested.
1 - Hot Wheels in 3 liveries
2 - Micro Machines # 39 (even smaller than Hot Wheels)
3 - A model made out of hydrocal by Bob Roberts - larger than the first two - Not sure if its HO scale or not. Measures 4.75 inches x 1.25 inches by 1.25
4 - Pirate Model version. I understand that this is one you assemble yourself and you have the option to make it a slope-back or straight-back. Not sure of the scale but from pics on E-bay it appears to be the same size as a Corgi bus.
Anyone one know of any more out there ?
BIG AL
Based on how Jet-Away (doesn't) maintain their fleet, I wouldn't doubt that #52 is now razor blades or with its cousins, the Redbirds, inside Davy Jones Locker.
http://www.richfieldbus.com/>/A>
Unfortunately their website isn't updated with pictures.
Mike
http://www.ci.rochester.mn.us/publicworks/Transportation/citylines/routes/Bus_Stop_Images/Bus_Stops/NW/Ibm.jpg
Sam
http://www.ci.rochester.mn.us/publicworks/Transportation/transportation_main.htm
http://www.ci.rochester.mn.us/publicworks/Transportation/citylines/routes/Bus_Stop_Images/Bus_Stops/NW/Ibm.jpg
B1-#9102-NOVABUS
B64-#4677-TMCRTS
My thinking is to use the middle lane on each avenue and build fenced-off passenger curbs at "station stops". This system is used on Market St., in San Francisco, for trolleys.
Could this work in New York?
Could this work in New York?
You'd probably have to take two lanes to build a bus lane and stations. It is technically feasible, but I doubt the political will is there to restrict other traffic in such a drastic fashion.
JD
Also, something that I didn't think about was cars wanting to go across the avenues from one side to the other to make turns, for exampple. That could slow down middle-of-the-avenue running just as much as curbside running. I don't remember how this problem was handled on Market St. in San Francisco. But, somehow middle-of-the-street trolley running works there.
JD
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=92973
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And if possible does anyone know the bus depots that were open before
Gun Hill opened and what routes did they run?
Thank you
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
#5003 - B82 - Repainted Nice ;)
#8191 - B60
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Bx19 # 1092
http://photos.transitgallery.com/albums/album45/abh.jpg
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Sunday
N35 ROOSEVELT FIELD #180
N27 GLEN COVE #330
N27 ROOSEVELT FIELD #319*
N22 HICKSVILLE #145*
*Bus 319 had some unusual new seats installed in some rows, which were quite comfortable. I just had to get a pic of them
*Bus 145 was running 35 minutes late on the N22 and was packed. Looks like rush hour but this is on a Sunday!
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
carlwal@hotmail.com
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Weekend N22s and 24s between Queens and Roosevelt Field are always packed, with some transfer turnover at Mineola. Very few people seem to get on or off between there and the city line, except at NHP for the N25 transfer. Obviously a lot of Queens residents work and/or shop at the mall.
On the trip back, I begin in San Francisco. Comming home, I'm probably gonna just take Amtrak. It's cheaper than Greyhound anyway, and more leg room. It does take longer though, but w/e.
So, how crazy am I? Also, has anyone here done anything like this on either Greyhound or Amtrak?
But you are right: it doesn't come on time too often and often bunches, but the ridership isn't sky high so it isn't too bad...
Wayne
I rode the Bx36 quite a bit as a kid, and it never impressed me as being particularly slow. Then again, that was about 40 years ago! :-)
Wayne
Wayne
B'way Junction-Myrtle Av
Myrtle Av-Lorimer St
Lorimer St-Marcy Av
I believe this was done so people would take the M train into Manhattan since it was running to Fulton St so riders can take the A to 14 St/8 Av to catch the M14 or whatever.
I had to wait 20 minutes before 4738 came up and it was a very slow trip mainly b/c of Wyckoff Av so then I got off and switched over to 8285 and this is where the big chunk of the buses were running [as I expected. A quick ride to Lorimer then I decided to take some pics of buses and for my first time I think I did pretty good 8-) [sorry I didn't upload them yet] and I get on NF 957 to head back to Lorimer and I take one more of 882 parked under the el and I get on 8097 on the trip back to B'way Junction then I take the C to the Franklin shuttle then I complete my trip on the Q.
The buses I saw:
ENY: 4411,4986,5004,5024,5216,8097,8101,8115,8117
UP: 4683,4790,7533,8678,9082,9088
FB: 5086,5088,8405,8430,8435,9397,9432,9446
FP: 4738,5062,8160,8161,9140,9466,9484,9581
JG: 882,957,973,4646,4647,4648,4649,4660
126: 8241,8285,8466,8484,8494,8497
NF 953 B8
RTS 8412 B41 LTD
R32 3647 (A)
RTS 4738 L SHUTTLE
RTS 8285 L SHUTTLE
NF 957 A SHUTTLE
RTS 8097 A SHUTTLE
R38 3964 (C)
R68 2918 FS
R68 2768 (Q)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Then as we approached Bway-Jct,someone rang the bell,would've loved to know why and then when we got to the entrance of the station,the same stupid woman asked "is this the last stop?" I gave her the most nastiest look any human being could ever give!It's unbelieveably ridiculous how NYC residents can be so stupid.Tourists I can understand,they aren't familiar with the city but people who live in the city?No,no,no,no,NO!
My understanding was that the transit artics would be delivered first (i.e., before the suburban artics that are going to Fairview). I think the transit artics are to be delivered to Big Tree, although I believe Big Tree is closing around the first of the new year. I don't know whether any transit artics have been delivered beyond the original demo, #9503.
Wayne
But, you are correct about BeeLine, WMATA, and NJT seemingly ordering their buses at the same time.
MetroB
At least they caught it, because you know what happened to that Neo in Pittsburgh...
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Wayne
Any info about this, or for that matter, info on other bus exhibits that may be worth a visit?
There is another small bus museum in Connecticut. Its on the grounds of the Connecticut Trolley Museum in East Windsor. The trolley museum also goes by the nickname of "Warehouse Point". Check out the trolley's website for a link to the buse museum. Also call ahead to be sure someone will be there to open it up. The bus musum is only a large warehouse type building and they have three rows of buses in there. It is very tight in there so that you may have to walk sideways between the buses. There are also some buses on the outside. They do have one of the Red Arrow Fishbowl Rail buses. Don't know how often it comes out but there is a picture on the website of the bus on the rails. Directions from NYC - I-95 to I-91 north about 30 minutes north of Hartford. Get off at East Windsor exit (there are signs) make a right at the light. Proceed east about 3/4 mile, museum is on right.
For more info e-mail Bus-talker/Sub-talker "Thurston" as he occasionaly volunteers at the trolley museum on a week day.
If I get to The Connecticut Trolley Museum, or the museum in P.A., I'll report back here.
You know....the real bus museum is just out there in the world....rollin' down the road, ya never know what you will see. Check the bus and RV parking lots at NASCAR races...lots of 4104 conversions etc. Seems like lots of churches, especially in the inner city have nice old coaches in the back..or parking lot, that they use for trips or charter work. Ahh....so many buses, so little time.... When I went to sleep away camp in the early to mid 60's....man that was a time. In late June and late August....the highways were flooded with Silversides, Old Look GM Coaches (with a/c), Fishbowls, 4103's, 4104's (my favorite), 4106's, Flxible's, bringing kids to and from camps.
Thanks again!
Don't know if it is still there.
Buses rode:
9459-A15 to Landover Station(Rohr 1051 to L'Enfant Plaza-orange, Breda 4073car ridden to King Street-yellow, 3096car ridden to Van Dorn Street-blue)
DASH Orion V 60 to Landmark mall on the AT5(passed up an Orion I on the AT2-not sure when it was going to leave, pressed for time)
4048-7A to Pentagon(Breda car set to L'Enfant Plaza-yellow, CAF car 5175 ridden/also lead car to Anacostia-green)
4329-P2 to 7TH and constitution
9410-35 to Tenlytown, lunch Popeyes(poboy sandwich, pretty good)
8844-32 to Lafeyette Square
8914-34 to Naylor Road
8806-F14 home
Observations:
On the A15 saw a tow truck towing what looked to be a 1997 Orion v, but the tow truck looked like it broke down.
Rehabs seen new 3917 and 3924(apparently 3917 is now at Southern)
Saw 8925 at the Navy Yard with the LED sign, riding the P2 at the time
8879 was on the 54(was recently based out of Landover)
8860 and 8861 might now be running out of Bladnesburg, saw both on the X2
8842 and 44 might now be running from Western, saw both on the 30s, maybe along with 8914, which I rode on the 34 to Naylor road
4352 was broken down in Georgetown I think running on the 32.
I will try again next week, hopefully neither rain nor snow or late assistants will keep me from my goal, using all of this film I got from the Ames going out of business sale.
Tonight, waiting at Ballston Metro for Pam, I saw several ART buses traveling through and I was wondering how long it would be before they blew over. It seemed like everything else was blowing around. Last week when we had the fierce winds, it blew our table off the balcony. I found it later that day....two blocks away. I would have pulled it in had I known that it was going to be so windy, but at 3AM, I was busy sleeping.
The wind/rain the past few days has been quite something. I hope the weather stays suitible for Metro commuting, I prefer to drive when we get drenched since walking home in the dark, cold, rain, and wind is always so fun.
Yeah, the wind was really whipping around again tonight. We're on the 16th floor and its a huge wind tunnel with all the high rises around here. I'll be driving a lot more since Pam is working in DC now and wont really need the car since she's right by the metro. I've had it with the 1C. That bus just takes way too long to get to Fairfax from here. Coming home is even worse. I used to look forward to taking it to work every now and then, but no more. I'll just work from home if she needs the car that bad rather than deal with mess.
I just can't justify sitting on a bus for an hour when it takes me less than 20 minutes to drive. If I wasn't going to work, just joyriding its fine, but having to get to work, I just want to get there and get home!
B64-#9109-NOVABUS
If you read the Flxible history by Dr. Robert Ebert, you'll get the true story. Rohr and Grumman (Flxible's owners who designed and sold the 870) were definitely at fault for the initial problems with the A-frame, but NYCTA was responsible for later problems. Grumman made a good faith effort to repair the engine frames on the NYC buses and all other 870's and the problem was solved. What happened afterwards is that NYCTA's 870's continued to have problems due to the shoddy maintenance practices at the time, culminating with a bus burning up in Mnahattan that had absolutely nothing to do with the manufacturer. After that incident, the TA's 870's were removed from service permanently due to political pressure on the NYCTA from City Hall. Those very same buses were bought back by Flxible dirt cheap, were rehabilitated and sold to NJ Transit and other opertoars, and performed flawlessly for the rest of their careers.
Jim D.
Jim D.
I agree with every word you said. I always said that while Grumman was clearly at fault with the A-frames... they did their part in retrofitting the affected buses, but the TA in it's infinite wisdom were set on blaming someone else. Also how can they explain the fact the MSBA (another MTA subsidiary) operated 870's (and Flxibles) on some pretty bad streets too. In a nutshell... the NYCTA was full of it then and they still are.
Nope, sorry buddy. Houston had shoddy maintenance during the 70's until Metro took over. If Metro could keep RTS-01's and decrpid 20 year old New looks on the road with no problems, what the hell was wrong the the Grummans? Oh yes, BAD BUILD QUALITY. There were hundreds of infractions on EACH bus that was the result of cheapness and poor work by Grumman Flxible. Like I said, this was a NATION WIDE PROBLEM. Aside from the NYDOT's (which would probably run a bus on blocks) and a few smaller transit agencies, who the hell was running Grummans once they could throw them out by the government mandated 12 years? Alot of them never even made it that far. They are fun, but, HORRIBLY BUILT BUSES!!!!!! IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!?! JUST LIKE THE EARLY RTS BUSES WERE CRAP, WELL DOUBLE THAT AND YOU GET A GRUMMAN!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ON HERE!!!!!?????? GEEEEZE LOUIZZZEEE!!!!!!!!
>>>And as far as calling the Flx a weak bus. If it's so weak why didn't it fail at New Jersey Transit after being rehabbed?<<<
Well, after being rehabbed once by NYCTA, another time by Grumman, and YET ANOTHER TIME before they were sold to NJT, you'd think they'd be able to last another 12 years. I mean good grief, those buses were rebuilt three times in six years. They should outlive me! But nope, they only made it 13 years at NJT. Why? Because they were crap. You see NJT isn't rushing it's 1989 Flxibles out of the door. Maybe that's because they are actually adequate buses.
Have Fun, Marquis
-F.
-1:25 scale resin model by the factory
-Hot Wheels slopeback in several forms
-Friction model in NYC and LA colors (you are quite familiar with this one)
-Pirate Models HO scale (Slopeback AND straight)
-Jimson "O" scale banks
Who did Flxibles?
-Pirate Models made "N" and "HO" scale versions. Both are rare to find and expensive when you do.
-Royal coach offered a 1:43 scale resin Flxible promo model. Once again, rare and expensive! I paid $125 just for the kit alone.
Also, a local bus modeler and friend, Bev Fitzpatrick, made resin HO scale Grumman 870s for a limited time in the early 1980s. He priduced only about 50 of them, and they have not been made in over 20 years. Final score: RTS beat out Flxible 5 to 3.
The Road Champs was a godsend; it is a good scale, and the possibilities are endless for customizing as you know. It is easily my favorite bus model of all time.
-F.
Great..another misspelling. Gotta love when your better half is nagging you to get in the other room. Coming, dear!
-F.
MetroB
NYCTA should've owned up to the fact that their maintenance was sorely lacking instead of trying to place all of the blame on Grumman.
-F.
I haven't seen any poster mention the lawsuit that NYCTA filed against Grumman, et al. My recollection is that NYCTA did wind up collecting some money from Grumman, but I don't remember whether the case actually went to trial or was settled beforehand. I hope somebody remembers more specifics about the lawsuit than I do, but I don't think Grumman is clearly the good guy and NYCTA, the bad guy!
I didn't say that was the case ... it's just that many people seem to think that Grumman was the one completely at fault here. I'm not giving them a pass, only bringing up information that suggests NYCTA's poor maintenance and city politics played a significant role in the removal of the 870's from NYC streets.
Jim D.
When the WMATA fishbows (and a few Flx new-looks) came to NYC they weren't quite elderly although they were past their prime. Many of those buses operated until 2000 when they went back to WMATA.
My feeling about this whole things was that... Yes, Grumman clearly built a bus with some serious problems, but the NYCTA was very much at fault too as their maintenance practices were really bad. I think it was 2,656 buses affected with the largest fleet being from NYCTA and SCRTD. My understanding is that while RTD buses went on to service a long life those at the NYCTA servered many more years elsewhere because NYCTA was trying to blame Grumman for their own shortcomings.
I also remember that when the WMATA buses arrived in NYC they clearly were in better condition than the typical NYCTA bus. However, a year later many of them were looking and sounding not so good.
Wayne
Well the SCRTD Grummans didnt really have a long life--about half of them didn't even make it to the required 12 years of service, and all were gone by mid-93, once all the 303 Methanol-powered TMCs had arrived (which ironically had their own problems and eventually had to be reengined with diesel engines). One of the main problems with the RTD Grummans was that their wheelchair lifts seldom worked, so they ended up working mostly trippers. In the mid-80s, RTD assigned them mainly to freeway express routes to spare them from a lot of street running as many of L. A. streets weren't in the best condition back then.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
So we can say with some certainty that the summer of 2000 was the last time they ran in revenue service in the NYC area.
MetroB
MetroB
BTW - What is Exton Square Mall like anyway?
Thanks much.
My experience though with the 95, where many trips are interlineed with the 97, is that on some trips that I thought were interlined ended up not being interlined, and just turned out to be a "direct connection" (where one bus left one minute after my 95 would arrive at the transfer point). Of course, the 95 just went under some heavy schedule changing, so it may not be that way with the 92.
I have no idea what exton square mall is like, it's completely out of my way, hehe. Oh, and when riding the 92, be prepared to ride SEPTA's infamous cutaways...
I salute Jessica Ettinger!
"This is a Bronx-bound Q44 bus, making limited stops! The next stop is Bayside Avenue."
"Stand behind the yellow line, please!"
Say, on the N23 to Mineola:
"N23, Mineola" as you enter the bus, plays only in the front stairwell of the bus
then the next stop is announced as the following:
"Northern Boulevard and Searingtown Road", or, "Clock Tower", or, "Long Island Railroad, Roslyn." None of that, "this is the bus to", or, "the next stop is" or "this stop is" crap. Short, sweet, and to the point.
N6. Destination: Hempstead.
This bus serves Route 29 to Etiwanda & Bellegrave.
Of course, the cutaway wasn't going onto the 97 to Norristown, so I had to get an extra transfer. I got off at Penn Square and transfered to the waiting Dorado for the 97. Isn't SEPTA supposed to be saving money? What's with the non revenue service? That' what happens when you eliminate the 2:45 from the mall to Penn Square. The cutaway parked at the terminal for a while, I don't know if it was supposed to make a return trip.
Next, I'm walking as fast as I could to the mall, since you know, they eliminated my 7:10 bus and i had to catch the 7:20 L because I missed my bus AGAIN, and then as I was somewhat close to the mall, A 95 TO GULPH MILLS PASSES ME! Of course, I was a little bit irritated, becaue the mall is a good distance from my house, and this was unscheduled. I don't know if it was in revenue service or not...it couldn't be...but I think I might've seen a person in it. Plus, the buses don't drive that way to go to the Frontier depot...sigh..
Also, I got 5712 on the L, and i was unpleasantly surprised to see the window shattered on the left side...it wasn't like that last thursday...why is it in service like that? Weren't the Midvale Flyers curbed because of broken windows some time ago?
Remember when SEPTA's bus standard was high, and the buses weren't run in shoddy condiditon. Remember when the SEPTA fleet was the safest fleet ever?
Chuck Greene
Chuck Greene
What were these objects? They were Manhattan bus stop signs (the tall kind). There must have been eight of them in the back of this DOT pickup truck. They had the following routes on them: M1~M5, M27, M50, and Q32. Some of them even have their Guide-A-Ride boxes still attached. Now, I kinda guessed something, based solely on the routes. They are all routes that serve the Rockefeller Center area. Now, I know that a few stops in the Rockefeller Center area close for the holidays. But what I didn't know was that they took the bus stop signs out of their moorings and replaced them with something like this one.
I just thought I'd share this observance with everyone.
Happy Thanksgiving, Chanukah, Eid, Christmas, Kwanzaa, and New Year!
This kinda reminds me of that 'Snow Fighter' bus I saw when I was a kid, and never forgot it. Thanks to this website...I was able to find a great photo of one, taken by Joe Testagrose. Better yet, some of the guys on here had very specific info about thos work buses, and some had memories of just seeing them in action after snowstorms.
Why not ask one of the drivers...if you still take travel that line.
Good luck!
Sometimes when there is only one or so of a type in a fleet, it could be a sample, or a demonstrator that the manufacturer provides, as a sales tool.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
The facility is being built if i recall by the New York State Department of Transportation
Hope this helps
Thank You
MetroB
#5059 - B48
#9099 - B6
The only thing that is permanent on my record is that I was never interviewed by Randy Kennedy when he was at the NY Times. Case closed, for now.
Happy Gobble Gobble day Brian.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Those may be gone; I saw such a bus at Nimco the weekend before last.
There's also at least one ex-Pace Orion-I, #8831, with the tell-tale wide yellow stripe.
There's another company running two ex-Pace Orion Is from Brooklyn to Manhattan. Private does have at least one, but it's scrap; I haven't seen any others.
The B110 is completely independent - no city-owned buses, no subsidies (guaranteed or otherwise), no public investment of any kind - so Private is free to tailor itself to its own community.
If you search the archives, it was mentioned that men and women do sit seperately on the bus and if you are a male and sit on the "wrong" side of the bus, the driver cannot and will not say anything but one of the passengers will politely explain the custom to you and ask you to change your seat, therefore I don't think that they can or do deny passage to anyone waiting at a designated bus stop.
I was under the impression it wasn't; the fare structure alone suggest Private does their own thing.
B1-#8675-TMC
This morning at about 7:35, I saw a hammerhead Orion I traveling northbound on Rockville Pike at Grosvenor. I believe it was 5543. It stopped at the 46 stop to discharge/pickup passengers and then continued on north. I am assuming it was running on block Q4, a split block, which makes the following trips:
46 46 46 46 46
SWING
63 56 58 74 74 65
Good luck finding it, I wonder how long it will be visiting. This is not the first time I have seen Silver Spring buses on Gaithersburg routes. I once got 5706 on the 37 in the morning which was quite a surprise.
11/25
N22 JAMAICA #370 (front sign malfunction)
N27 GLEN COVE #303 (front sign malfunction)
N27 HEMPSTEAD #278
N27 HEMPSTEAD #321
N22 HICKSVILLE #376
Notes: 2 sign malfunctions today, front sign was for the opposite direction. One supervisor was saying it was from the cold!
2 days in a row for appointments up in Glen Cove, one more for tomorrow!
Here in NJ, I think NJT is holding out intil it is time to replace ALL of the Flxible Metro B and D's. They had a pattern of doing these extremely large bus orders. The MCI order just completed replaced all of the 9 and 9A's, the 1000 series RTS's replaced all of the ex-NYCTA 870's [1500's and 2000's]. Now who do you expect to build the replacements for the Metro B and D's? Will it be NEOPLAN?
Will it be ORION? Or will it be NABI? Remember these are the only bus builders that make standard [high floor] buses that NJT desires.
Tell me what you think.
MetroB
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I think they need them on the Q60
It's up to DOT to buy artics (or not) for its contract carriers.
[If the MTA takes them over?]
Ain't gonna happen.
Also there may be one or two at the Ct. Bus Museum in East Windsor.
Note to RIPTA - can you confirm or deny the above from our visit in Aug 2001 to both places?
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I'm not sure I'd call them "preserved," since they still see regular charter service, but knowing Tony, they'll be around for a while :).
Also there may be one or two at the Ct. Bus Museum in East Windsor.
IIRC, they had one ex-CT transit Flx.
Some of Tony's Grumman 870's are ex-CT Transit buses. CT Transit was the second operator to get deliveries of the 870's, Atlanta being the first. CT Transit's 870's had very uncomfortable, white hard plastic seats.
Here are the ground rules:
1- The route could be discontinued
2- The route could be in existance today but its route number could have been changed
3- Route numbers that were changed or branches of existing routes which were seperated do not count such as x37/x38/x42,The M-18,s90 etc,
4- Consolidated routes such as the B-43 and B-47 are not eligible.
5- Routes that are split are not eligible ie M-20
Good Luck and Most of all Happy Thanksgiving to all
I will post the correct answers on Saturday
BIG AL
BIG AL
For Brooklyn, try B50 (1974), now part of B82, and X29 (1972, or was it '73?).
David
I'll take two shots at local routes. In Queens, I'll try the Q-88. In Brooklyn it's a toss-up. B-83, or the B-84 which became the Cozine branch of the B-6.
BIG AL
If you have any questions about the answers please post them and i will be glad to answer them if i can
Hope you had fun
Thank You
The correct local route is the Q-99. I forget about that one
My thanks to J Nassau St Exp/Q11 Woodhaven Steve for the correct answer
My apologies to all
Thank You
The x17 was created within the last 20 years. x21 and x22 were just created about 2 or 3 years ago.
The x25 was also created within the last 20 years.
Since you are going back to the '70s, what about the Bx55, created in 1973 as a replacement of the 3rd Ave El?
I would also venture to add Bx30 to the list. Granted it replaced the Bx6 between Norwood Ave and Boston Road, as well as the Bx7 along Boston Rd, the portion from Connor St & Boston Rd, through Co-op City is a totally new route (from 1984).
David
Yes, you could use the Shuttle Bus and the regular "A", but there was indeed a premium charge. I don't know exactly how much it was, but I do remember that it was more than the regular local fare, but lower than the premium expres fare.
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B54 Nova #9159
B65 Orion 7 #7624
B65 Orion 5 #594
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While coming home on the 38B saw two B11's deadheading from Rosslyn, 4359 and 2127. Both of them had paper signs in the windshields. Saw rehabbed Orion V 4203 pulling up to Federal Triangle on the P1 with a non working sign. At the Pentagon, I saw from the side a new DASH Orion V #69 along with a DASH Gillig and Orion I.
On the 13A, a bunch of tourists got on near the Vietnam Memorial and somehow were able to use their Metrorail all day pass to get on there. I didn't think you could use those on buses??? They all looked like they came straight off the farm, so they probably had never seen a subway or bus until they arrived here anyway.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
I saw 4337 at Friendship Heights in the past week and saw it again from the 38 when it was deadheading from Montgomery Division so no pictures yet. There were 4 car trains on the Red Line this afternoon at around 12:45 which surprised me. We were fairly crowded leaving White Flint. I wonder why they did that...
I guess the travel patterns were really weird today, so they put 4 car trains on during the lunch time hour. Of course, that's probably when a lot of people were heading home, too. By the time I got to Ballston tonight at 6:45, it was a ghost town.
Sounds like you had a good short trip there. Now tell me this... How is it that you manage to have all of those Flx Metros present themselves to you nearly every time you decided to head to a bus stop???:-) #4001 has been a Western for a while now. I though it was strange as #4002 and a few after that are at Montgomery.
Your turkey breast sounds a bit small:-). I love turkey breast and I plan to eat ours until it's gone as I do every year. Of course I'll be in the gym a bit extra.
Next week I get to go back to my NYC roots as I have class in Mid-Manhattan. I'm planning to stay at my parents house which means I get to pick from the D train, #4 train and those awesome MCI Classics on Liberty Lines Express. I can hardly wait.
Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!
Mr. Butterball is doing just fine too. It is in good shape for tomorrow. Its a very small turkey, but we figured that between the three meat eaters, we wouldn't eat a ton. I'm going to gorge myself on all the side dishes. : )
I bet the gyms will all be packed this weekend! Have a great holiday and say hi to Nicole!
Robert
Busy day today, after doing some laundry (everything might be closed tomorrow) I had to go to Greenvale and to the bank before 3pm.
The 1:33pm N22 to Hicksville (supposed to be there at 1:46pm) was late, and even with the scheduled 9 minutes between buses in Hicksville, it was barely enough time. Made it to Hicksville at 1:53pm and ran and just made the N20 leaving at 1:55pm.
Whew, got there at 2:30pm and made the bank. Meanwhile I heard on the bus radio that an N27 to Glen Cove was stuck on Stewart ave.
Well I guess they never got another bus to fill the 1:10pm run, because later I saw a jam packed 2:10pm bus heading up to Glen Cove in Greenvale. Funny you would have think with the broken down bus right near the depot on Stewart, they would've had another bus in about 15-20 minutes for those ppl. Well they did send another bus to do the 2:25pm run out of Glen Cove. Saw it in Greenvale running 25 min late. Actually later while heading up to GC for my appointment I took that same bus. Its a good thing I was fortunate enough that it caught up.
That N27 tour goes like this
1:10PM GLEN COVE out of HEMPSTEAD supposed to arrive in GC at 2:10pm
(this broke down on Stewart ave, its riders had to wait an hour for the next one)
2:25PM N27 HEMPSTEAD out of GLEN COVE arr.3:25pm
4:10PM N27 GLEN COVE out of HEMPSTEAD arr 5:10pm
5:20PM N27 HEMPSTEAD out of GLEN COVE arr 6:23pm
6:30PM N27 GLEN COVE out of HEMPSTEAD arr 7:30pm (last run of the day)
7:36PM N27 ROOSEVELT FIELD out of GLEN COVE arr 8:22pm (last run)
Thats some shift huh!
Also saw the N21 FLUSHING supposed to depart at 5:28pm in GLEN COVE run 10 min late because it didnt arrive from flushing untul 5:35pm.
Which means it got in 20 min late at Glen Cove.
Fortunately going back my 6:37pm N21 from Glen Cove was on time, and got to Roslyn in time to make the bus to Hicksville due at 6:47pm, running about 5 min late. The 6:37pm Glen Cove bus never passed us.
Then I make the 7:30pm N22 to Jamaica. Congrats if you're still paying attention! :-0
All in all while alot of buses were screwed up due to traffic and one breakdown, I didnt experience too many delays.
Thursday (thanksgiving day), My family and I are driving up to New York where we are staying with relatives and my parents will be staying for 2 days. They will drive back home on Friday Evening, however, Friday Morning, they will allow me to take the Chinabus home earlier that day at 8 AM. So on Friday morning, I will be meeting Flxible A-Frame at Chinatown-NY and we will be riding the Chinabus together from NY to DC. All the local DC bustalkers will meet us at Chinatown-DC (H and 7th st) at 12 Noon, when our bus is scheduled to arrive. From there, we will head up north to College Park and westward to Montgomery County and the land of Ride On ;-)
All who wants to join, meet us at Chinatown-DC at 12 noon on Friday the 28th.
See ya there!
Meaning I'll be there bright and early at 3:00 PM, fashionably late as usual!
-F.
So just how many Flxibles do I have to choose from in the DC area? :)
-F.
Spelling error...D'OH!!!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
Wayne
Sincerely,
Fred Donaher
(Flxible)
We got off at Union Station where we boarded an Ice Cream Truck on the D4 and got off at the Intercity Bus Terminal. They were busy as hell and tons of Greyhound, Eyre, and Capital Trailways buses were leaving and coming. The policeman outside directing buses wouldn't let us into the makeshift bus loading/unloading area across the street from the terminal.
After this we headed back to Chinatown on an 80. When we returned we saw Today Travel boarding some passengers on their Prevost H3-45, and then we saw Eastern Tours's second Dina Marcopolo loading passengers and their VanHool T917 wating to depart for a later trip (Talk about preparedness, unlike New Century, the only company that we didnt see buses from all night except for Paragon, which doesn't even run half as many buses as NC). We bought a sandwhich from Subway and ate it while watching the travelers come up to us and ask us where the certain bus companies where and when they boarded. Yep, we were experts on the scene;-)
We then went to New Century's HQ and saw this guy in the ticket office blowing up at the employees. It turns out that this guy missed NC's 5PM NYC trip, so he asked when the next bus was, they said 8PM, but then later they told him that there was no 8PM trip (WTF??) and that a seat is not guaranteed if purchased online. Unfortunately their website says that you are guaranteed one:-( So he goes ballistic and yells about wanting to shut down NC. So then we approach him and direct him to Eastern's office, where he appeared to be far more pleased with their conduct, because when he asked for a ticket for Eastern's 6PM trip, they did not lie to him, and instead told the truth, that they had no more seats left on the 6PM trip. So then we led our friend to Dragon Coach's bus station and he got a ticket for a 9PM trip. Out friend then chatted for awhile with Ray and me about how NC lied to him and about driving buses and big rigs and whatnot. He apparently wants us to aid him in shutting down NC for them lying to him;-) But, it appears as if Eastern has a leg up and is in the process of kicking the rest of the chinabuses in the ass because both their 5 and 6PM departures left ON THE DOT!
So then here comes Dragon Coach with an E4500 at around 6:10 or so and it is full, completely full. As these passengers unload, the group of passengers that were waiting outside (about 40-50 or so, some were disgruntled NC customers) boarded the bus. And guess what, the driver of this bus was wearing a suit and tie! Maybe he was the General Manager;-)
The three of us then walked back to NC's headquaters, where our friend decided to give them one more round of verbal abuse. After this the three of us walked to the S2-4 bus stop and we said goodbye to our friend and boarded a 2000 Orion V on the S2. The DD50 on this bus sounded pretty bad, it had one hell of an annoying whine. Then me and Ray took the Q2 from Silver Spring and I got off an Wheaton and Ray took it to Rockville. I then went to JC Penney to buy a new knit cap for 6.25;-)
P.S. The chinabuses (all of the companies) add like 3-4 extra trips just for Thanksgiving Eve;-)
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David
My friend Aubrey (a fellow bus not from Cleveland) and I parked at a shuttle lot at Blacksburg High School and arrived at Lane Stadium on New Flyer no. 1808, a Series 50-powered 35 footer. Once there, hordes of its fellow LFs showed up, a garden variety of 1998 and 2001 S50-powered 35s and 40s, along with the 5200s, a mixed size variety of 2002 LFs with the ever-smooth sounding Cummins ISLs. After about 20 minutes, my babies finally showed up! Only two Flxibles showed up as shuttles, but were they ever a sight for sore eyes; 2613 and 2615. Both are 40102s powered by 6V71s and sounded sweet as ever.
On to the game. VT played Boston College, and it was looking good towards the 3rd quarter, but by the end, we knew what time it was. By the last 90 seconds of the last quarter, the score was finalized; Boston beat the Hokies 34-27. Depressed by the loss, we headed out towards the buses. A 30-foot New Flyer filled rapidly at the Special Needs shuttle lot amid a fleet of cutaways; I had never noticed before that short LFs feature a rear window. How neat! These also have ISLs and make for a very powerful little bus. On Washington Street, the regular shuttles piled up even more quickly; most game fans were drunken yuppies shouting obscenities such as "G** damned bus service sucks", as so on. You've gotta love the uppercrust.
Finally, our mission was complete; we hopped on to Flx no. 2615 and enjoyed a slow ride through dense traffic. If only the car people would just ride the bus! A quick note: during my brief stint there, this was the very first bus I ever drove in Blacksburg. What a coincidence! Finally, the bus got up to speed, and so did I; it dawned on me that this bus was going the opposite direction, and the sign changed while we were boarding. D'OH!!! I told the driver what happened, and once he hit the end of the line, he made a special trip to drop us off at the car as nothing else was going on back at Lane Stadium. What a nice fellow! Turns out he was a friend of one of our volunteers back home at the bus museum. I told him about the fact that BT is retiring the 2600s, and he wondered why. agreeing with me that the Flxibles have PLENTY of life left in them, and they should at least rehab them to save cost.
After that, we were dropped off at the car; it turned out he was going back to the garage the same way that we were headed to return back to Roanoke, so we got to hear some "bus music" all the way back to 460. I was almost in tears knowing this may be the last time I would ever get to ride a Flxible in regular service in SW Virginia. But the good news is that the CC&T (our museum) may get one when they are retired. And we got some pics of them for memory's sake. :)
-F.
On another note, when riding that Flxible in Blacksburg, Aubrey mentioned that he felt right at home; the RTA still runs a fair amount of Flxes in regular service. With their influx of NABI LFWs, I hope to ride one before they're all gone.
-F.
You know, from all the car vs. bus collisions. They could possibly result in one of the two flipping over, or possibly not. :)
-F.
-F.
Sincerely,
Fred Donaher
(flxible)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11555-2003Nov24.html
Unfortunately they left out the K Street diagram.
Nice article. Thanks!
Starting at 10 am at Addison Road
The Bus 26 from Addison Road to PGCC
The Bus 21 from PGCC to New Carrolton
The Bus 16 or the R12 from New Carrolton to Greenbelt
B30 from Greenbelt to BWI
Balt MTA 17 from BWI to Patapsco
51 from Patapsco to Roger's Avenue
M10(yes that is correct) from Roger's Avenue to Falls Road
Light Rail to Timonium then the 8 to Downtown
11 from Downtown to outside the Bush Garage
51 from Bush Garage to Pataspco
17 from Pataspco to BWI
B30 back to Greenbelt
Optional 15X to New Carrolton
Of course things could change, and this is just preliminary so it isn't official. Also even after the itenerary is done some trip times might change as WMATA and maybe THE BUS and MTA could change their schedules later in the month.
Hopefully we might see the following things:
Hopefully we will get the THOMAS SLF on the 26 with the Benz engine, haven't rode that one yet.
The new CNGs arrive at BWI
A certain poster from another board is aboard ; )
Hope to see yall on the last bustrip of the year.
I should do more searches on geocities someday.
-F.
Except for those ugly mirrors ...
JD
MetroB
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BTW anybody got pics of the Blacksburg RTS's?
From what I heard, the RTS fleet was not junked, but were sold to a TA here in Virginia where they apparently still run today, save for one that someone tried to sell on eBay for $10,000 (sic). I know some former BT "alumni" and will see if anyone has pics. I do know they have a pic of each bus ever delivered on the wall at BT.
-F.
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Regarding the entire Third Ave. Railway system, the initial conversations began in 1941 with the 125/Willis/Third Ave. route (today's BX15) and the Morris Ave. route (today's BX32). The Manhattan routes were converted between Nov. 1946 and June 1947; the remaining Bronx routes between July 1947 and August 1948; the New Rochelle routes in 1950, and the Yonkers routes in 1952.
BIG AL
David
Even with the entire Artic order and Orion 7 CNG order, that won't be enough to get rid of the all pre-1990's and remans. The Orion 7 Hybrid order is going to wipe them out.
By FRANK LOMBARDI
DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU
Mayor Bloomberg has given fresh assurances to some 400,000 worried commuters across the city that he's committed to having the MTA take over the seven troubled private companies now serving them.
"We've got to find a way to do it, and I'm committed to doing that," he told several City Council members at a related bill-signing this week.
The mayor signed into law a bill extending by six months the Dec. 31 expiration date of the city's operating agreement with the seven private bus franchises serving parts of Queens, the Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan.
The measure will provide some breathing room for city officials to negotiate a takeover of the city-subsidized companies by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Those talks have been going on for months, with little reported progress.
The companies provide express bus service to and from Manhattan, as well as some local service, for communities not served by MTA subway and bus lines.
The companies are: the Command Bus Co., Green Bus Lines, Jamaica Buses, Queens Surface Corp., Liberty Lines Express, New York Bus Service and Triboro Coach.
Councilman Oliver Koppell (D-Bronx) pressed the mayor to "aggressively attempt to resolve the situation" as quickly as possible. Koppell said the issue is of paramount concern to people in Riverdale, Woodlawn, Pelham Parkway and Norwood.
Councilman John Liu (D-Queens), chairman of the Council's Transportation Committee, told the mayor the uncertainty over the proposed takeover is affecting employees of the bus lines, their passengers and the companies themselves.
"The uncertainty already has contributed to a decline in service," Liu said.
Representing Queens Borough President Helen Marshall, her chief of staff, Alexandra Rosa, told the mayor the buses serving Queens are an average of 18 years old and in dire need of replacement.
"We are short 150 buses," she added. "Our buses are overcrowded, there are long lines, and the service is inconsistent."
Bloomberg said a long-term solution is hampered by lack of money by all involved. One of the main hangups, he said, was the issue of who will assume the "pension liabilities" for employees of the private lines.
Negotiating an agreement is "a little bit like pushing a string," said Bloomberg. "But we're trying, and I am hopeful that we will eventually get that done, hopefully sooner rather than later."
Originally published on November 28, 2003
What pension liabilities? Aren't the cost of pensions supposed to be fully funded by employer and employee contributions over time, rather than pushed off to some future suckers? Ha!
I heard that they can not repair buses because of funds
because of that service is bad and they have less buses on thr road.
Basically the extenstion is meant to give the City and the MTA time to work out a take over of the routes
This is my opinion only
Thank You
The "lack of funds" line is a complete fiction. The Cooper family's companies already bill DOT almost $80,000 per year per bus for maintenance, while New York Bus Service bills only $25,000 per year per bus. NYBS bills much less and manages to keep its city-owned buses in great shape; the Coopers bill triple, yet somehow the buses are still falling apart. Curiouser and curiouser.
The only thing the companies really need to do is actually spend their maintenance money on maintenance instead of campaign contributions and liability settlements.
Of the over 1,000 buses in the "DOT" fleet:
- NY Bus has just over 120
- The Cooper group has over 650
So, obviously the Cooper group would need more money to maintain it's fleet.
And Queens Surface would need more then NY Bus to maintain it's 313, but not as much a the Cooper group ... simple Math 101 !
THAT's Math 101.
David
It is hard to believe that nycDOT would tollerate that kind of difference in the maint. cost.
If true it may relate to some kind of one time O/H, e.g. this was done to a bunch of MCIs at this depot to extend their service life. We wanted to do it again to fix some structural problems, but DOT said they couldn't afford it.
Since the discussion is about AVERAGE cost per bus, the higher costs of a local bus would raise the average for a Cooper versus NYBS. But you are right that the difference can't be 220% greater for Cooper.
Also I wonder where Liberty Lines comes in on a per bus average ?
By Aaron Rutkoff
While striking yet another note of support for his stalled plan to fold privately-operated bus routes into the MTA, Mayor Mike Bloomberg signed a contract extension with the seven bus companies this week – preserving the status quo for another six months and allaying the fears of Queens commuters.
Bloomberg signed Intro. 596 on Nov. 26, authorizing a six month extension in the contract between the Department of Transportation and the private bus companies that provide service to thousands of riders in Queens.
The existing contract was set to expire on Dec. 31, potentially stranding thousands of commuters without bus service while the MTA and the bus companies continue difficult negotiations over a take over deal.
“As I have said in the past, I believe that the MTA, which is charged with the responsibility of providing affordable mass transportation for the people in our metropolitan area, has the requisite economies of scale and transportation expertise to provide the highest quality of service for the riding public,” Bloomberg said at the bill signing.
He added, “We continue to have discussions with the MTA regarding the feasibility of an MTA take over of the private bus routes, and I hopeful that such a successful arrangement can be reached.”
Mayor Bloomberg signed a six-month contract extension with private bus lines this week, saving thousands of Queens commuters from being stranded by stalled negotiations.
Tribune photo by Ira Cohen
Though he sounded a note of hope at the bill signing, Bloomberg sounded gloomier about the negotiations just the day before. According to reports of comments he made at an unrelated event at Battery Park, Bloomberg called the negotiations “difficult” and said, “There isn’t enough money.”
The mayor’s plan to merge the private bus lines, which serve almost 400,000 riders each day, with the cash-strapped MTA has met a slew of obstacles over recent weeks, a standstill tacitly acknowledged by the six-month contract extension. Although the private companies provide bus services, the city owns the buses and subsidizes their operating costs.
“[This bill] gives many of us relief that the mayor has clearly stated his commitment to preserving service for those New Yorkers who rely daily on these private bus lines,” said Flushing Councilman John Liu, chair of the Transportation Committee and sponsor of the contract extension bill. He witnessed the signing on behalf of his Council colleagues.
“Now that we have bought ourselves an additional 6 months of time, the City must work earnestly towards a long-term solution for continuing this service. The MTA must also approach this with a serious and sincere attempt at ensuring no loss of service for the riding public,” Liu added.
I also learn to appreciate the Volvos and NovaBUS RTS (Hopefully it will be a long time before they retire) since both companies are not producing the models anymore. NJT has a good diverse fleet.
MetroB
"I also have grown to enjoy hearing thier distinctive sounds, and I think that they have definatly earned a spot in bus history that should not be ignored."
Agreed.
MetroB
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Oh my, I crack myself up. Pull me off the road send me back to the manufactuer.
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The Flxibles aren't used as much on the weekends, but you'll still see a fair number of them around, especially the Metro D's and E's. I think we have the most varied types as well. Lets see, there are the 87-8900 Metro B's with the upper 8900's having Cummins engines. Then you have the 9200 Metro B's some 102 inches, some 96 inches, some with Detroit Diesels, some with Cummins. Then, you have the 9300 Metro B's, the 9400 B's which are the 96 inch version of the 9300's until you get up to 9481, where they are then 35 footers, then you have the 9700-9835 Metro D's with 9830-9835 suburban configured, but with a back door. Finally, you have 4000-4104 Metro E's. There you have half with regular padded seats and then the second half have fully padded seats, which you will see on the newer Orions.
Others can fill in any tidbits or gaps!
-Fred
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Tony M.
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Wayne
The county is tired of spending money on them as well as the 91' Gilligs that are here. I was talking to the operations manager out at Sunrise coach and he told me that bus 9100 has been sitting OOS for about four months because of major mechanical problems. He weven wrote the county to complain! Sorry to get off the Flixble topic but they are expected to be replaced with Gilligs. :-(
Dave
But anyway the mechanics complained about them saying that they are too complicated to work on and junk like that. I don't buy it then these guy's who work on them should't be mechanics then. MTA we need your help! But because of the maintance with Orion the county is going with more Gilligs. I heard next year but who knows really.
Dave
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Peace
David
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
So then I approach Gallery Place where I meet up with Chris G (rideonrules) on 7th and H street. We then walk towards New Century's bus station where we were going to meet Ray and Flxible A-Frame, who rode New Century's 8AM departure from NYC. Sure enough, their VanHool C2045 arrived, and only a few minutes late (12:03,4,5-ish). Then I got a call from Tristan, who was calling me from about 6 inches behind me. Bastard....;-)
We then grubbed on Subway sandwhiches and laughed over DASH's faulty and misguided coloring book for kids;-) After this we boarded a 70 running a Neoplan AN460, #5301. This one is the only one in the batch that has push strip-activated doors, no door handles. A-Frame was welcomed warmly by the few dimebags on the floor in the back of the bus;-) Just before the bus turned into Silver Spring station on Georgia Ave, A-Frame sighted a Van-Go Silver Spring circulator. He was throughly apalled and disgusted at the sight of the Helldorado which holds down this route. At Silver Spring, A-Frame checked out the hammerhead Orion I, 5543, parked across from Ride-On's bus bays. We then boarded a Ride-On 1999 Gillig Phantom, 541*, on the westbound 5. A-Frame was surprised at the tight as hell twists and turns this bus made.
We got off the bus at White Flint station and saw an Orion I, 5506, on the 26 to Glenmont. We were initially set to ride the 46 from White Flint, but we said screw this, we're riding the Orion I. We rode this to Twinbrook and then boarded an Orion V, 5560, on the 46 at Twinbrook and rode this to Rockville. At Rockville, there was a car blocking the bus lane, so the bus had to sort of hop the curb to get pass it. Many jokes were made on the 46 about how Ride-On's Orion V CNG's were nuclear weapons and could be used in a national emregency;-) We then boarded an Orion V CNG on the 56 at Rockville and, mistakenly rode this to Lakeforest Mall, which is one hell of a long and boring route, with its twists and turns. Suffice to say, the bus itself was the only thing that kept us from total boredom. We got off at Lakeforest and hit up the Wendy's for food. After this we spotted the Ride-On Flx Metro-D! It was not supposed to be running the 62 to Shady Grove, but we got on it anyways.
We rode this to Shady Grove where we boarded a Red Line to downtown DC. We then decided on whether or not A-Frame would make it down to Gallery Place in time to board a 6PM chinabus to get back to NYC. Ray then had me calling 411 on the Red Line for the phone numbers to the chinabuses and tell then to hold the bus for one more passenger;-) Unfortunately we couldn't get a hold of any due to phone connections crapping out in the tunnels and a misguided driver;-)
We then approached Gallery Place and Ray, Tristan, and A-Frame bolted out of the station and ran towards the chinabus depots. Me and Chris G kept riding and got off at Silver Spring. He got on a Z2 to White Oak and I boarded an American Ikarus 436 on the Y7 to Wheaton station. This bus, for some reason, picked up NO PASSENGERS on its entire way from Silver Spring to Wheaton station. Only one passenger from Silver Spring station got off the bus half way between. The driver was so early that he held the bus at the intersection of Viers Mill Rd and Georgia Ave for about 5-6 min or so.
So thanks a bunch to A-Frame for showing up, it was nice to meet you. Hopefully we can do this again, only in NJT Land!
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
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Hooligan Lights!
Tin Can Open Radio!
What's a diesel engine?
Dude, I want to activate the turn signal, but the steering column keeps moving up and down!
PG The Bus drivers defecting to Ride-On at the Ride-On Roadeo!
PG The Rail; riding the rail on the brake shoes!
Dropping CAGV's on Iraq as bombs
Oh man, and the list goes on and on and on...
You forgot one. That thing at the front top does what. We can actually program those things to show where we are going, cool man, we have to try that one day.
N22 JAMAICA #348
N27 GLEN COVE #329
N27 HEMPSTEAD #315
N22 JAMAICA #314 (10 min late)
"you just know I HAD to indulge in it again!"
Thank you.
:-) Andrew
Total subsidies to LI Bus from all sources are $60 Million -- operating revenue is about $40 Million. On a quick review, it's not entirely clear where the subsidy comes from -- NY State provides about $19 Million and the MTA provides $28 Million. Of course the MTA is itself subsidized -- so you've got to take out a fine tooth comb to allocate where all the money is coming from.
If you've got a high-speed connection, take a look at pages 165-186 of the MTA's Agency Financial Plans (at http://www.mta.info/mta/budget/pdf/financialplan_vi.pdf )
and pages 96-98 of the MTA's Final Budget for 2004 (at http://www.mta.info/mta/budget/pdf/financialplan_v.pdf )
Good luck with the study, I hope you'll post any conclusions you reach here.
CG
:-) Andrew
Note that Long Island Bus's legal name is Metropolitan Suburban Bus Authority (MSBA). MSBA was created in the early 1970's and was intended to operate in all 7 suburban counties of the 12-county MTA District (the 5 boroughs already had NYCT). However, only Nassau County bought in, realizing that it could "hire" a state agency to operate its buses, then treat its contract payments as "contributions" which could be "withdrawn" at will.
I started out by being dropped off by my family at Shady Grove Station, where before I proceeded into the station, I took some pictures of some Ride-On Buses, of which I snapped an Orion I, a HELLDorado, a diesel O5.502, and a CNG 05.503. While I was photographing, I missed a train out of Shady Grove, and then I got on the next train, headed by Breda car 4081. (While waiting, I photographed Y2 bus 9709.) I rode that to Chinatown-Gallery Place (I arrived at 12:15, which is why I missed Ray and company.)
I snapped some pics of a NABI 436 (#5240), and of a C40LF (#2378), and then I shot pics of the MCI Center, where I ate lunch at the McDonald's. I then walked over to 12th Street. I boarded the Blue Line (sorry, I do not remember this car #), to Pentagon. At the Pentagon Transit Center, I took some pics of various Orions and Flxibles, and then my 9A came (#9746). While I was on this bus, I called one of my female friends in Bay Ridge (Brooklyn, NY) and asked her how her Thanksgiving was. Also, I rode through Old Alexandria, and this area is scenic! I rode this bus down Route 1, where the bus became full down Route 9A, and then it reached Fort Belovir. There, military police checked IDs on all passengers, but DID NOT STAY ON THE BUS! (This is important, as I was able to change directions inside the fort, onto Orion #4287, back to Huntington. This bus also was a full seated load.
Arriving at Huntington, I took some pictures of a WMATA Orion 6, and of 3 Fairfax Connector buses: one Orion I, and two Orion Vs. I then wound up boarding on route 109, Orion V 7792, and rode this bus down to Van Dorn Street. There, I got on the Blue Line Train and rode it to the next stop, King Street, and then waited for the 11N express bus. While I was waiting, it started to rain hard again, but as at Van Dorn Street, I took pictures of DASH buses, at least 5 or 6, of Orion Is, 5s, and Gilligs. I finally boarded the 11N bus to Branch Avenue (#9783), and by this time, the rain was in full swing, to the point where the driver could barely see out of his window on the Capital Freeway! (This bus had only 2 passengers aside from myself.)
I then went down into Branch Avenue, and awaited the Green Line Train. I then rode Breda car 3274 to Waterfront, and then waited for the 70/71 to Silver Spring. I rode this bus (6 speed transmission, WOW!) to the Silver Spring bus station. There, I waited for the Q2, which I had just missed. During this time, I saw the Ride-On bus which had "In Memory to CONRAD JOHNSON: Montgomery County Transit" on it, and snapped that photo. I finished my journey on Orion 2138, which seemed capped at 40.
Some questions: What model are these Flx buses? (examples given for reference): 8806, 9390, 9746, 4087? Thanks in advance. Next time, if I am down in DC, I will not miss you Ray! I will send pictures of my photos when I get back home tomorrow and upload the pictures to my home computer.
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Strip that cheesy purple stripe off the sides.
-Paint the door and window areas black.
-Place a dark blue stripe around the bus and place the same color on the skirt panels.
-Replace the Flxible emblems with Grumman emblems.
-Detail the lights, wheels, trim, etc...and top it off with actual fleet numbers and destination signs.
And if I REALLY feel sporty, I remove the Sutrak unit from the roof and flatten the roof before I do the paint work. Instant Grumman.
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Minor corrections: The Y2 at Shady Grove is the Q2 and the 11N is actually the N11. That bus was on the chopping block for elimination due to the low ridership that you noticed, but got a reprieve due to the fact that the Government is moving the Patent office to King Street and the officials hope people will take the bus. I doubt it, but hey, it has a 6 month extension of its life.
On to the buses:
8806: 1987 Metro B
9390: 1989 Metro B
9746: 1993 Metro D
4087: 1994 Metro E
I missed the fun with da boyz today, too, but I'll catch up with them next time around. Its hard to do these during the week trips!
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Q27-Q31
Buses rerouted to 53 Av between Hollis Court Blvd and Clearview Expwy, Effective Mon, Dec 1, 2003 to Nov 2004
Due to reconstruction on 47 Ave in Auburndale, Q27 and Q31 will be rerouted.
Toward Queens Village/Bayside
The Q27 and Q31 leave their regular route at Hollis Court and 48 AV, travel on Hollis Court Blvd, 53 Av and Clearview Expwy, then return to their regular route along 48 Av.
Toward Flushing/Jamaica
The Q27 and Q31 leave their regular route at 48 Av and Clearview Expwy, 53 Av and Hollis Court Blvd, then return to their regular route along 46 Av.
New bus stops are located along the temporary route.
R40 on the W at Stillwell Ave.
The new Whitehall SI Ferry Terminal
C40LFs at Stillwell Ave.
The American Legion, taken from aboard the John F. Kennedy
The PABT of Chinatown.....the Chinabus annex *drools*
More Photos can be found at DC Transit@Transit Gallery
Enjoy!
Turf war tainting bus ride
A $20 round trip from N.Y. to Phila. is a hot ticket in Chinatown. But competition has turned violent, police say.
NEW YORK - Two bus companies that offer a popular, ultra-cheap trip from Philadelphia to New York City are in the middle of what police believe is a brutal turf war that has led to killings and arson.
The two companies, Today's Travel Inc. of New York and New Century Travel Inc. of Philadelphia, operate competing lines that offer round trips from Chinatown in New York to Chinatown in Philadelphia for $20.
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The bargain-basement prices - Greyhound charges $40 for the same trip; Amtrak, typically about $96...
The other, far more ominous signs are two killings, a felonious assault, and two bus fires. The string of violence has the Manhattan District Attorney's Office considering racketeering charges and looking into whether the bus companies have ties to Chinese organized crime, the New York Post reported.
I have to admit though, on the price comparasions, that's cheap. But it's not an example of bustituting Amtrak with smaller regional companies, since I'm starting to believe buses are more appropriate for denser smaller areas than long-haul trains are.[added another non-related viewpoint on the story]
1 - How long will it be before the drivers are scared to operate and you either will end up with no service or unqualified drivers. A bus is just a machine on wheels and anyone can attempt to operate it. This doesn't imply that everyone can drive the vehicle in a safe manner but licensing of drivers is one attempt.
2 - How long will it be until there is vandalism to the buses. What if the vandalism isn't caught in a pre-trip inspection and something happens while you are on the bus.
3 - How long will it be until the gangs start boarding each other buses in an attempt to terrorize passengers out of using the service.
You are 16 years old. You have a long life ahead of you. The extra $20 that the 'hound charges should be considered as a cheap form of life insurance.
I have taken greyhound before and I do NOT feel safe with a driver who has a spit-in-your-face attitude and falls asleep behind the wheel at 65 mph.
So between DC and NY, i will never look back at Greyhound.
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If it wasn't for the fact they still run 6v92-powered MC-12s, I would dare say there is not a damned thing left good in that company.
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BTW, I have a plastic friction model of a Trailways Eagle should you be interested; it is an "O" scale bus about a foot long and is in great like-new shape, complete with the original box from 1981.
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There is info and some pics of some of the hostesses floating around on the net.
Those were and still are awesome coaches in my opinion...
Yea, their customer service reps are shitty, but it's worth dealin with it for the money you save. Also, I've never had a problem with the people on the bus or at the terminals. Oh, and give the drivers a break. They probably workin over 12hrs a day. And they've got a lotta people to put up with. Either way, I've only had one rude driver. Once I even had a driver that was nice enough to make sure my lil bro and I got picked up by the people that were supposed to meet us at the bus stop.
Um, ok. For 65 bucks round trip between DC and NY, you deserve
An Mc12 which is:
Old
Unstylish
Slow
Uncomfortable
Cramped
Not equipped with videos
A driver who:
Spits in your face
Curses you out for no reason
Will not wait for you (even at a rest stop)
Drives at 65 mph on the right lane
Does the entire trip on cruise control and while sleeping
Customer Service:
Who also spits in your face
A trip that gets you there late or not at all.
???
Meanwhile, On the chinabus. You pay $35 bucks for a roundtrip between DC and NY, and you deserve:
A Driver Who:
Is Courteous
Knows what he's driving
Will wait for the passenger
Friendly to the busfan
Drives Aggressively (some drive mildy) doing 80 mph
Knows the bus and how it works
A Brand Spanking new Vanhool C2045 (or Equivalent) that is:
New
Comfortable
Powerful
Smooth
Equipped with Videos and Movies
Features a trash bag hanging off of every other armrest
Customer Service that is:
Uhhh....very forceful and limited in english.
And a trip that will get you there on time (rain, snow, or shine)
1) Seriously, speeding in a bus is a very serious crime. It's not like speeding in your car. Those drivers can get their CDL suspended or revoked if they are ever gunned at 80MPH. Police hate stopping buses, but they will for activities like that. Do you wonder how buses roll over and fall down embankments etc.? That's how.
2) An MC-12 probably has a similar seat pitch to the Chinatown buses, so the cramped thing is interesting. You should also know that MC-12s were built until 1998. I'm not saying that MC-12s are premier equipment, but that money DOES come out of the farebox. The Chinatown lines are either subsidized by other businesses in the owner's portfolio or individuals. Dragon Expressway and Eastern probably just barely make money, but the others are questionable.
3) The Chinatown buses WILL have a fare increase soon. Bus insurance is going up by about 20%. I've already seen new Greyhound fares in certain markets...ouch!
It's called keeping up with normal Car traffic ;-)
2) An MC-12 probably has a similar seat pitch to the Chinatown buses, so the cramped thing is interesting. You should also know that MC-12s were built until 1998. I'm not saying that MC-12s are premier equipment, but that money DOES come out of the farebox. The Chinatown lines are either subsidized by other businesses in the owner's portfolio or individuals. Dragon Expressway and Eastern probably just barely make money, but the others are questionable.
Mc-12s are 96" inches wide, C2045s and otherwise are 102" inches wide. This does not apply to their DL3s and G4500s (the other 5% of greyhound's fleet)
3) The Chinatown buses WILL have a fare increase soon. Bus insurance is going up by about 20%. I've already seen new Greyhound fares in certain markets...ouch!
Already did, roundtrip from DC to NY has increased from $30 to $35
Um, 5%? Stop talking out of your ass. You may not like Greyhound, but they have about 500 or so, if not more of those boring DL3's and about 200 of those G4500's. So, that's almost 1,000 buses that are none MC12. So the fleet ratio is more like 60/40.
Of their 2,400 buses:
280 are G4500s
660 are DL3s
85 are 102D3s
and 1,300 are MC-12s.
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A driver who:
Spits in your face Do you not get different drivers
Curses you out for no reason Not going here...
Will not wait for you (even at a rest stop) He has a schedule to maintain, I guess you should be glad Patricia doesn't drive for Greyhound
Drives at 65 mph on the right lane If he stays on schedule, who cares?
Does the entire trip on cruise control and while sleeping See above
Customer Service:
Who also spits in your face I've never had problems so I haven't gone to customer service
A trip that gets you there late or not at all. Again, I've never had a problem
???
Meanwhile, On the chinabus. You pay $35 bucks for a roundtrip between DC and NY, and you deserve:
A Driver Who:
Is Courteous Greyhound has curteous employees
Knows what he's driving He's driving a bus, the Greyhound driver is driving a bus, what is the difference?
Will wait for the passenger The passenger has no responsibility to be on time
Friendly to the busfan Bus companies do not exist solely for the benefit of people on this board
Drives Aggressively (some drive mildy) doing 80 mph Agressive driving is not safe or encouraged
Knows the bus and how it works See above
A Brand Spanking new Vanhool C2045 (or Equivalent) that is:
New
Comfortable Greyhound is
Powerful Who cares
Smooth last long distance bus I took was smooth
Equipped with Videos and Movies In transit entertainment is annoying and should be gotten rid of
Features a trash bag hanging off of every other armrest What does this say about human society
Customer Service that is:
Uhhh....very forceful and limited in english. I know English, Spanish, and Hebrew. If the rep can't speak those, the he/she is useless
And a trip that will get you there on time (rain, snow, or shine)
BTW, I might have occasion to ride a long distance bus in December. Let's see how that goes...
Oren :
Has never ridden Greyhound
Has never ridden Chinabuses
Does not know the dimensions of an Mc-12 vs. a C2045
Hardly ever rides Over The Road coaches
Has no enthusism in Over The Road coaches
But if you'd like to be serious:
Who cares?
I do
If you are so concerned with speed, why not drive yourself
What does the slogan "Leave the driving to us" mean to you?
Not in my experience
What kinda experience would a person who's never ridden greyhound have to share?
See above
See Above
Good, I like to entertain myself
Thats your own personal preference, so good for you.
Do you not get different drivers
I was referring to the majority of Greyhound's driver, not one specific one.
Not going here...
Good
He has a schedule to maintain, I guess you should be glad Patricia doesn't drive for Greyhound
A greyhound rider would've known that greyhound (or chinabus) does not maintain an arrival schedule, the only schedule the driver would have to follow is a departure schedule from orgin A. The arrival time is only a suggested estimate which is subject to change
If he stays on schedule, who cares?
I'd like to travel from point A to point B in the same amount of time it would take for a car to do the same trip.
See above
Sleeping while driving is not a very safe combination. Why do you think Greyhound has so many accidents?
I've never had problems so I haven't gone to customer service
Customer Service are also the people who sell you the tickets
Again, I've never had a problem
With the trip you've never had?
Greyhound has curteous employees
Not drivers, which was what I was referring to
He's driving a bus, the Greyhound driver is driving a bus, what is the difference?
A chinabus driver is driving a 45 foot 2001 Vanhool C2045 with a Cummins ISM and Allison B500R transmission, a greyhound driver is driving "a bus".
The passenger has no responsibility to be on time
Not my point.....but thanks for defending me
Bus companies do not exist solely for the benefit of people on this board
I care
Agressive driving is not safe or encouraged
Who says a bus cannot be driven like a car?
See above
See Above
Greyhound is
a typical Greyhound mc-12 (80% of fleet) is 96 inches wide, a typical Chinabus C2045 (80% of fleet) is 102 inches wide.
Who cares
I meant to say higher top speed, Greyhound buses are topped at 70-75 mph max.
last long distance bus I took was smooth
Were you focusing on your champagne or the ride of the bus?
In transit entertainment is annoying and should be gotten rid of
That is your own opinion and preference
What does this say about human society
Trash is welcomed in a specified container, a cleaner bus.
I know English, Spanish, and Hebrew. If the rep can't speak those, the he/she is useless
The rep knows enough english to sell you a ticker and answer general questions, thats all he/she will need to talk about.
EXACTLY!
If I take the bus to the town closest to that resort I vacation at and want guest services to have a car waiting to take me to the hotel, do you really think they will like it if the bus does not arrive at the time listed on the timetable? I'm sure that if you were the guest services employee sent to pick me up, you would just love waiting with the car at the bus station for me since the time on the schedule was merely an estimate and no one is held to it.
"we will come to your house to install your new cable service at any time between the hours of 8 and 12, or from 1 to 5. Thank you"
What the hell kinda transit service is that late?
But they do mean something, regardless of who runs the service. The rule of thumb is to be at the stop at least around 5 min early for local buses and, say, 10-15 min before a long distance coach.
Greyhound as a whole is a good company. They provide low fares and get you to where you want to go. In my experiences (at least 2100 miles of experiences), I have come across different types of employees, as with most other companies that serve people. There have been rude drivers, but a majority I've ridden with were at least respectful, if not friendly enough to let me sit in the front seats and offer me sticks of gum while I observed their every move and told them how much I knew about their bus, back when I was a little tot following the family around. I’ve also seen some less than friendly drivers, but then riding with their passengers for half an hour made me just as angry.
I've been on varying grades of GLI equipment -- some that has been stored in mothballs for years (MC-9s that they dug up to cover overcrowding, brand new Cs and Ds), and some that spent too much time parked in the projects, with slashed seat cushions and graffiti all over...the same holds true on most large transit agencies -- here with WMATA, you can tell which routes buses have been on by their very smell and interior appearance. But on a whole, most of the equipment provided a pretty good ride, well worth what I paid for the ticket.
Almost the same holds true for Amtrak -- with about the same amount of miles with them, I've seen a very high majority of impressively friendly employees, who have played cards with me in the lounge, shared their stories with me, and have even given me Amtrak memorabilia. Equipment has been a bit more consistent in quality (good to excellent) because not only does Amtrak generally do a mini-overhaul each time a car is brought in for service, but of course the higher fares scare off the types who generally cause vandalism.
I have only ridden two of these Chinabuses, both from Eastern Tour & Travel, and they were both in pretty good shape -- as one article or person said, they may smell like Chinese restaurants and there may be a tad of a language barrier, but they provide a damn cheap and quick way to get to NYC. I will not immediately jump and say that they are better than Greyhound like many in this thread have, because they don't go to the thousands of locations Greyhound serves, but for DC to NY to Boston, I'd probably take Chinabuses just for the lower ticket price.
As far as the language barrier goes -- so what if you can't have a fully-blown conversation with the reps? For a company as simple as these Chinabus carriers, if you need more than an estimated arrival time or a yes/no, you probably have too many questions. By simple, I mean the only things involved are buying your tickets and sitting down. If you have excess baggage, the driver will see without you even having to say anything and will open the underfloor storage to you. There generally aren't delays to have to ask about, so what else do you need?
I hope that this little bit of insight will end this POINTLESS WASTE OF TIME that has turned out to be little more than bickering and insulting each other back and forth...but who has come out on top?
This, coming from a transit enthusiast?
Wow, that statement does wonders for racial justice.
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What do you think, DC BusTalkers? Shall we take a trip to Virginia's capitol for this special occasion?
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CLEVELAND!!!
Home of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and some ROCKIN' FLXIBLES!!!
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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"65 bucks round trip between DC and NY"
Well, that's already a lie. I found 40 bux RT NY-DC.
An Mc12 which is:
Old (so what, from my experience, the older buses are better, and they are classic)
Unstylish (Who gives a crap. Lots of Volvo's aren't stylish but look how many are around(the old kind))
Slow (Not from my experience. I've always found my ride to be fast. Trust me, if we're makin NYC-Boston in 3.5 hrs, they aint goin slow)
Uncomfortable (Again, not from my experience)
Cramped (See above)
Not equipped with videos (GOOD! I friggin hate those in bus/in flight movies!)(Also, just to please you, Peter Pan, a Greyhound affiliate, does have movies)
A driver who:
Spits in your face (Geez, you're just full of BS. Never had a driver spit in my face or treat me in a harsh manner)
Curses you out for no reason (see above)
Will not wait for you ,even at a rest stop (They've got a schedule to keep. However, they do make announcements at the rest stops)
Drives at 65 mph on the right lane (Uh, not true. Like I said before, if we're doin NYC-Boston in 3.5 hrs, they aint goin slow)
Does the entire trip on cruise control and while sleeping (Have you ever actually witnessed this? I haven't, and I'm sure I've ridden Greyhound much more than you have)
Customer Service:
Who also spits in your face (Again, not true. I've always found the reps and ticket sales people to be helpful and informative. Yea, maybe they sound like they hate their job, but atleast they give you the info you need. They know what you don't about certain things, which is why you call them. DuH!)
A trip that gets you there late or not at all. (All my trips to Boston have been at the least, 15 min EARLY, with an average of 35 min early. Comming to NYC though is usually about 10 min late, but that's pretty good considering the evening rush hour traffic I always come home in)
Meanwhile, On the chinabus. You pay $35 bucks for a roundtrip between DC and NY, and you deserve:
A Driver Who:
Is Courteous
Knows what he's driving
Will wait for the passenger
Friendly to the busfan
Drives Aggressively (some drive mildy) doing 80 mph (Dangerous)
Knows the bus and how it works
A Brand Spanking new Vanhool C2045 (or Equivalent) that is:
New (So what)
Comfortable (so is Greyhound)
Powerful (Hey, as long as it doesn't crap out on me, and it gets me to my destination within 15 min after the scheduled arrival time, I'm fine with it. Besides, you should always plan room for delays. I do. I'm sure you do. You never know when something can go wrong)
Smooth (So is Greyhound)
Equipped with Videos and Movies (Congradulations for those who actually wanna watch a movie. For the rest of us, looks like we're screwed and stuck under the comand of the bus copany that is pretty much forcing us to watch this movie. Sure, no one is holding a knife to us, but you get the idea)
Features a trash bag hanging off of every other armrest (Ah, so convinient for the lazy asses that can't walk to the front or back of the greyhound bus to throw out their trash)
Customer Service that is:
Uhhh....very forceful and limited in english. (Fine by me, it is a company originally planned for low income asian families, right? Why should they have to be fluent in english?)
And a trip that will get you there on time (rain, snow, or shine) (Well good for them. If there is bad weather and the bus is late, I'm fine with that. The driver has a reason for being late. He did not want to exceed a safe speed limit in such dangerous conditions)
For one, you can try doing some research before assuming junk.
Well, that's already a lie. I found 40 bux RT NY-DC.
That is particially correct, a $20 one way offer is a gimmick by Greyhound in order to attract passengers from the Chinabuses. This special offer requires a 7 day reservation with vacancy. If you wanted to walk right up to the counter and buy a ticket upfront, it will cost you $65 for one adult roundtrip between NY and DC. Go on www.greyhound.com and check for yourself.
(so what, from my experience, the older buses are better, and they are classic)
That is your own personal opinion, so good for you. But an average passenger would probably perfer a newer, more reliable bus.
(Not from my experience. I've always found my ride to be fast. Trust me, if we're makin NYC-Boston in 3.5 hrs, they aint goin slow)
According to Mapquest, a trip between NY and Boston takes 3 hours and 40 minutes. So Greyhound is not slow nor fast, just average, nothing to brag about. But if you've ever seen Greyhound between NY and DC, you would see Mc12s doing 65 mph and falling behind traffic.
(GOOD! I friggin hate those in bus/in flight movies!)(Also, just to please you, Peter Pan, a Greyhound affiliate, does have movies)
I respect personal opinions
(Geez, you're just full of BS. Never had a driver spit in my face or treat me in a harsh manner)
So 80% of this board including me is full of BS?
(Uh, not true. Like I said before, if we're doin NYC-Boston in 3.5 hrs, they aint goin slow)
Again, 3.5 hours is average, nothing to brag about.
(Have you ever actually witnessed this? I haven't, and I'm sure I've ridden Greyhound much more than you have)
Ever paid attention to the media? "Greyhound crashes here, Greyhound crashes there" and the reason? Drowsy drivers.
(All my trips to Boston have been at the least, 15 min EARLY, with an average of 35 min early. Comming to NYC though is usually about 10 min late, but that's pretty good considering the evening rush hour traffic I always come home in)
Estimated driving times are never accurate, late or early.
doing 80 mph (Dangerous)
Our driver doing 80 mph was keeping up with traffic and was about 5 mph over passing rate. Typical i-95 traffic drives at 75-79 mph. (in other words, driving sane enough)
(Congradulations for those who actually wanna watch a movie. For the rest of us, looks like we're screwed and stuck under the comand of the bus copany that is pretty much forcing us to watch this movie. Sure, no one is holding a knife to us, but you get the idea)
Again, I respect personal opinions. But on the chinabuses, only 60% of the bus are exposed to the TV monitors. There are seats where you can travel peacefully.
(Ah, so convinient for the lazy asses that can't walk to the front or back of the greyhound bus to throw out their trash)
And you wonder why Greyhound buses are so trashy?
(They've got a schedule to keep. However, they do make announcements at the rest stops)
Greyhound trips do not maintain an arrival time whatsoever, the given arrival time is only estimated and is not guaranteed at all.
Just a bit of warning to this board : Lets not get this thread get any more nastier, like it isnt already.
"That is particially correct, a $20 one way offer is a gimmick by Greyhound in order to attract passengers from the Chinabuses. This special offer requires a 7 day reservation with vacancy. If you wanted to walk right up to the counter and buy a ticket upfront, it will cost you $65 for one adult roundtrip between NY and DC. Go on www.greyhound.com and check for yourself."
Do you have proof that it is a gimmick to take passengers from the chinabuses? Also, yes, you can get a $40 RT ticket. Just get the NY-WDC ticket, then the WDC-NY ticket, or is that too much work for you?
Yea, you gotta get it in advanced, but advanced purchases guarantee that you get a seat. Walk-ups are just pure luck.
"That is your own personal opinion, so good for you. But an average passenger would probably perfer a newer, more reliable bus."
Have you done a survey? Also, it is
Alot of people are very hard to please and will frown on a bus company if their buses arent kept in good shape.
"That is particially correct, a $20 one way offer is a gimmick by Greyhound in order to attract passengers from the Chinabuses. This special offer requires a 7 day reservation with vacancy. If you wanted to walk right up to the counter and buy a ticket upfront, it will cost you $65 for one adult roundtrip between NY and DC. Go on www.greyhound.com and check for yourself."
Do you have proof that it is a gimmick to take passengers from the chinabuses? Also, yes, you can get a $40 RT ticket. Just get the NY-WDC ticket, then the WDC-NY ticket, or is that too much work for you?
Yea, you gotta get it in advanced, but advanced purchases guarantee that you get a seat. Walk-ups are just pure luck.
"That is your own personal opinion, so good for you. But an average passenger would probably perfer a newer, more reliable bus."
Have you done a survey? Also, it is your personal opinion that the chinabuses are better, and that Greyhound is crap.
"According to Mapquest, a trip between NY and Boston takes 3 hours and 40 minutes. So Greyhound is not slow nor fast, just average, nothing to brag about. But if you've ever seen Greyhound between NY and DC, you would see Mc12s doing 65 mph and falling behind traffic. "
Yea, that's provided there is no traffic at all, and you are driving at a decent pace. Either way, Amtrak takes longer, and Greyhound buses are scheduled to take longer. Also, I've never found someone who has made that trip in less than 4 hrs. Everyone is suprised wen I say 3.5 hrs for that trip, and on a greyhound especially.
"So 80% of this board including me is full of BS?"
No, I said that YOU are full of BS. Unless you are 80% of this board, which I highly doubt, then that is another BS statement.
"Ever paid attention to the media? "Greyhound crashes here, Greyhound crashes there" and the reason? Drowsy drivers."
Yea, I've heard of the accidents. It is no where near as many as you say it is though. MAYBE once every few monthes. Also, it is not always drowsey drivers. One of the more recent accidents occured when a passenger knifed the driver. Also, Greyhound has thousands, possibly millions of departures all across the country every day. If you compare the number of departures to the number of these accidents, you will see that Greyhound is actually very safe.
"Estimated driving times are never accurate, late or early. "
OK, so why don't we just get rid of this entirely? Hoenstly. I mean, you just said that mapquest says NYC-BOS is supposed to be 3 hrs 40 min. This is an estimated driving time, which according to you, is never accurate. So, there is no point in approximating. So we should dis-regard anything that we hear as far as ETA's and the such. Just make scheduling a lot harder to deal with. Ok, sure, w/e you say.
"Our driver doing 80 mph was keeping up with traffic and was about 5 mph over passing rate. Typical i-95 traffic drives at 75-79 mph. (in other words, driving sane enough) "
Well congradu-#@!%in-lations for him/her. Does he/she want a cookie? My concearn, as well as that of the majority of riders, is that I get there on time and safe. If there is a delay, there better be a damn good reason for it, which there usually is.
"Again, I respect personal opinions. But on the chinabuses, only 60% of the bus are exposed to the TV monitors. There are seats where you can travel peacefully."
As do I. I like that idea though. Are the TV's in the front 60% or the back 60% of the bus?
"And you wonder why Greyhound buses are so trashy? "
I've never ridden on a trashy greyhound. They were always fairly clean, clean enough to please a passenger. Also, if people are so lazy that they can't walk to the garbage bag(as you seem to be), then they've some serious problems. Yea, for the physically impaired, this personal garbage bag is a life-saver, but for the rest of us, it is a waste.
"Greyhound trips do not maintain an arrival time whatsoever, the given arrival time is only estimated and is not guaranteed at all. "
Actually, yes they do. Also, nothing as far as arrival time is ever guaranteed on any bus company. Greyhound, Trailways, Long Island Bus, WMATA, MBTA, it's all the same. Buses are subject to delays. Also, I highly doubt that arrival times are guaranteed on the china buses.
You have to understand that the people who ride Greyhound don't care about amenities and 80mph drivers. They care about getting to where they are going. If they get there on time, the driver can drive 8 or 80. If they get there on time, they don't care if thy're riding in a Van Hool C4025 or an Eagle 05.
As for drivers falling asleep, which you make mention of as if it happens ALL THE TIME, you need to realize something, THE CHINABUS DRIVERS DO NOT DRIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!! There, you saw that? They stay along the east coast. Their trips are alot shorter than that of your average GH driver.
But, whatever, one day we may hear from one of your fellow DC bus talkers that you perished in an unfortunate busing accident after your brand spanking new Van Hool C2045 ran into a pillar after trying to overtake a Greyhound that was only going 65mph because the driver was asleep. At least you went out watching a cheesy "in-bus" movie with some snacks you pikced up at a rest stop because the driver was nice enough to wait for you.
The ride I had going to DC and Back I sat right behind the driver and observed just about his every movement and I must say even though thse guys speed they do know wtf they are doing.
Also, I have not said greyhound is the perfect company with a perfectly clean record. Why? B/c I know that they are not. All my statements are 100% true based on actual true events from multiple experiences. I admited that Greyhound does have flaws, something that aznboy seems to not realize about his beloved china buses. Everything has flaws in this world. I have recognized mine, I have recognized those of Greyhound. It is time for aznboy to recognize those of the china buses.
The words I speak are the truth. If you don't believe me, well then, so be it.
The "Terminals" are a joke
Ticket Agents are WAY too forceful and persuasive
Buses are usually dirty on the exterior (lots of road grime)
Customer Service reps are limited on English and are often sour
Buses do often leave late about 10-15 minutes
Some trips may be packed while other trips may only have 15 passengers
I do not mean I dont give a f*** safety wise. If I see crack heads and other dangrous shit all round the stop, that's not good. A spartan bus stop is OK by me.
IINM, Greyhound drivers typically stick to their routes, at least on the short runs in the northeast. A Boston to New York driver drives Boston to New York, period.
There can be exceptions on major holidays. I remember one trip where a driver from Chicago was pulled to go to Boston, got lost, and made a three-point turn after a toll plaza on the NJTP, almost backing into a Cleveland-bound bus.
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I can sort of understand what they go through - I work in retail, but the clientele is mostly middle-class suburban types. I can just imagine some of the shady creeps bus terminal staff have to put up with.
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Now I know that all the terminals aren't like this, but the problem is I don't know which ones are fine and which aren't for places I've never been. I don't want to experiment. It's a lot different being dropped off in a bad area, than just driving through. Unless I'm packing maybe.
Oh, and Manchester, Nh and Londonderry, Nh are fine too, same with Manchester Airport stop.
They're charging prices so cheap that they've actually created a demand they can't handle, thereby guarenteeing business won't drop off. It's like they're controlling the market.
"The other, far more ominous signs are two killings, a felonious assault, and two bus fires. The string of violence has the Manhattan District Attorney's Office considering racketeering charges and looking into whether the bus companies have ties to Chinese organized crime, the New York Post reported."
I see Chinese organized crime accusations in here, aka gangs. If the bus company is tied to Gang #1, and you paid the bus $20 dollars. Guess what? A portion of that is going to(funding) gang #1.
I remember a restaurant I used to work at, very big and themed, and some friends of mine worked in the restraurant across the way in this HUGE mall. Next to it was a AMC24. 2 rival chinese gangs happened to watch the same movie and turned it into a gang-war shootout. There weren't random people, they weren't poitically corrected, they happen to be china gangs.
The buses may be nice, they might be cheap, they might be a good deal, I'll apologize if I put them in a bad light and all these 'coincidences' were random. But I will not apologize for bs episodes of political correctness for something a DA's office is investagating. That's ignoring the world. I don't get offended if someone talks about the Jewish mafia of old Detriot, or the other ones who created vegas, don't become offended unless you joined the gang, which I don't know if you did or didn't. :)
And I'm sure the chinese members of the board love the nicely worded title of this post.
Who in the country has the right minds to believe and listen to the corrupt media today? Has ANYBODY on this board seen any evidence of this so claimed "bus war" with THEIR OWN EYES?
What makes you think the corrupt media aren't paid by major companies like Greyhound and Amtrak to exploid the chinabuses? Sure, they aren't trying to compete with Greyhound or anything, but Greyhound acts like they've been shot in the face by these guys.
You cannot sit at home, turn on the TV or open the paper to find out what's going on in the real world, you have to see it for yourself. And my DC bustalkers know EXACTLY what I'm talking about (*cough*FOX*cough)
The corrupt media today ONLY wants ratings and money! They dont wanna tell you the truth.
Now if you've actually been to Chinatown and see East Broadway in PERSON with these chinabuses, all these different companies share one common bus stop and they have buses boarding inches away from another company's bus. And do I see any violence? NOPE, only COOPERATION. I bet fox or NY Daily News or whatever dont even have the right guts to even step foot into Chinatown to see whats going on!
And you think I'm not serious? Here is a prime example : http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=92682
Plus, i don't know how bad the bus war is. There's a slight possibility what happened(all that happened I mean) was(were) little incidents(which we dont' know the motivation to) and everything will be fine here on out. There is an equal and greater chance this could escalate. Imagine if something happened on a bus involving at least one innocent person. There goes the competition, everyone will move on to the next bus company. Wouldn't take much if you thought about it. But what you call the "corrupt media", also makes it sound like there's too much demand, and plenty of customers to go around so this should be unnecessary. Any squables between these 2+ groups should be kept on the inside and not involve the public, which would be nice in a perfect world.
"Now if you've actually been to Chinatown and see East Broadway in PERSON with these chinabuses, all these different companies share one common bus stop and they have buses boarding inches away from another company's bus. And do I see any violence? NOPE, only COOPERATION. I bet fox or NY Daily News or whatever dont even have the right guts to even step foot into Chinatown to see whats going on!"
Most people don't notice what's going on around them and are oblivious towards anything. Also it doesn't mean there's anything obvious going on if anything is going on at all on street level. It doesn't mean the drivers are all gang members and it's like some bad cartoon movie where they stab each other on the streets. The higher ups could have mob ties and I doubt that would change any cooperation between bus company employees to each other, they are just employees. Just like sleazy dealings every business has, we dont' know what's going on in the executive offices and what's going to happen in the future.
Hopefully these guys are all smart enough to realize any escalation in the future will probably ruin their industry.
That is absolutely correct, I may only know that the Drivers aren't causing any violence. But I do not know about the people in the higher positions such as executive offices and therefore I nor anyone else have the rights to assume whats happening or not happening in the executive offices.
Could be a while.
Some of you seem not to know bus economics and it's ok. Here's a crash course: Greyhound breaks even on most runs carrying between 12 and 18 passengers at their fares. The Chinatown based operators ON AVERAGE carry slightly higher loads than Greyhound. They have newer equipment and their charter and tour operations aren't yet large enough to generate the money for the equipment they have. There is a gap...who's filling it?
By the way, not EVERY Chinatown market is priced not to make a profit. However, $10 to Boston requires at least 45 people per trip before profit. It is fares like these that raise suspicions and there seems to be documentation that buses HAVE been thrown at people at that bus stop.
The Chinese mafia are much less understood by the authorities than the Italian or Russian mafias. They would not open their mouth about mafia connections unless they had names to follow.
And some people don't refuse, wink wink.
Remember that when you are riding a Van Hoolssein or an Osama V. :)
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Will you stop making bull shit assumptions. Greyhound is not paying off new agencies for this BS, and they are not acting like they are being shot in the face by them. Yea, they've reduced their prices on a few routes that the chinatown buses serve as well, but that is just called competition.
Also, yes, you're right, the media is corrupt, but if the chinabus stories are BS, then the rest of their stories are probably BS as well.
"Welcome aboard Greyhound. My name is ____________ and I will be your operator for this trip. This bus will be traveling to New York City's Port Authority Bus Terminal by way of Baltimore Travel Plaza. We have left Washington D.C. at approximately 1:30 PM and we are estimated to arrive in NY at approximately 5 PM. Just like to remind you of a few rules and policies on Greyhound. First, there is no smoking on board, whatsoever. Please place your trash in the specified trash container to help maintain a clean bus. Restroom is available in the rear of the bus, and if you'd like to speak to me, please come up to me and warn me that you are behind me. Time now is 1:45, please sit back and enjoy your trip."
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
When the smoke clears, it's always the young guys going at it on the BusTalk side. When I first arrived, I came to learn, not to show how much I knew. This is why I've had to get my info through e-mail: no one posts anything important for this EXACT reason. Let the "I'm offended" posts begin so I KNOW who to killfile for future reference.
A bit one sided don't you think? There are adults who act just like children on this site thinking they're macho and all of that BS.
There's no way I'm going to/or could catch up on 100 posts, and I can't imagine what is being talked about, there's only so much you can say on a one line accusation that's being investagated.
Anyhow, Just trying to change the subject off of NYCT buses, since this board is more localized than subtalks is. Let's keep this site online at least until I can get my PSTA interior bus shots developed. :)
Even i am guilty of this in this thread;-)
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
The first one would be run by hip hop artists, called BLING-BLING rapid bus tours. They say they can get you from Washington to New York in less than 2 hours, and yes they speed also. All their buses will be on dubbs and in low riding fashion will do that bouncing thing while Snoop Dogg blasts on big speakers on the bus. The buses will look tight, but there will be one problem. They say you can get to New York in 2 hours, but it takes 12 hours when those buses are stopped in every city, county and any other place that has police. Police just think that drugs are carried or something illigal is going on. I guess when the exhaust smell like you know that will happen. You do get free "Bling-Bling" on every trip though.
The next one will also be run by another black corporation. You will know it when you see the GM new look, smelling like fried chicken. All the seats will be covered in plastic, them annoying beads will cover the windows and yes you do get free fried chicken and if you are lucky jerri curl juice also. You will also know you are on the right bus when half of the people are named Shaniqua, Dejuan, and Shenene. Even though the GM new look is revered bus, the one they got came cheap, very cheap, so cheap, the bus leaks oil, breaks down every five miles. And how would you say this bus gets you to New York like the Chinese bus companies, easy, they hook the bus onto the Chinese buses that is how. Oh yea, watch out for baby mama drama, my baby daddy was supposed to pay for this trip with his child support check and just complaining for no apparent reason.
The rich want to get into the act too. Of course their bus will be made by Rolls Royce, have a billion dollar interior, fur here and there and will cost 4 million dollars for one bus trip to New York. And of course they will get to New York from DC like the Chinese Bus companies and how you ask, a police escort going at high speeds making traffic pull to the side while they pass by. Of course one particular patron will complain about how one route got cut from running in front of his house, but we will not go into names here.
And the last one will be run by THE BUS(?huh?), yes THE BUS. They will use their ODVs to briskly take unsuspecting patrons to New York from Washington within the same time as the Chinese bus companies, of course the buses will leave a couple of minutes before the Chinese buses do and will be made up like the Chinese bus companies equipment,so unless you know THE BUS well, you won't know the difference, they even have Chinese drivers.
It is supposed to be a funny take on this posts to lighten everyone up after the arguements that have been going on for the past couple of weeks.
"On to Baltimore...Cleveland...Pittsburgh...Chicago...New Jersey...Suffolk County...and ANYWHERE ELSE I haven't thought of. Oh, and driver, when we stop off in DC, would you run around and pick up 1C/Ballston, aznboy4305, Planes, Trains, and Autos, BusStalker, New Look Terrapin, rideonrules, and all of my other good buddies from BusTalk? This is TRULY a celebration for ALL of us!!!".
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Oh, wait a minute, so now you have your own personal train???
Better Yet, your own personal ACELA train????
Incognito
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1.)Hear the driver shouting "Recepción a América usted inmigrantes de illegel. Este autobús irá al parque y a New York City de Langley. Este autobús es souped para arriba con un motor de gran alcance de Cummins B5.9 y un silenciador ruidoso de la lata de café. ¡Venga a bordo y exprima y embálese dondequiera que usted pueda!"
2.) Have immigrants stuffed in the luggage bays as well as the overhead luggage racks
3.) 99% of the passengers have names with accent marks.
4.) Your bus maxes out at 35 mph in the left lane
5.) The driver stays at least 3 lanes away from all authority vehicles
6.) The acoustics from your bus's stereo sounds like this from 3 miles away : "BOOM....BOOM......BOOM BOOM BOOM.....BOOM BOOM BOOM"
7.) Your bus itself sounds like this from 9 miles away "VRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!" even though you're doing only 20 mph.
8.) You hear the driver cursing in spanish whenever a Greyhound, Chinabus, African Bus, or whatnot blows past your riced up Vanhool at 80 mph (68 mph for Greyhound)
9.) Your bus looks like this :
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HEY! I tried to charter one of those buses for my Bar Mitzvah party! lol.
Good to hear that, no offense intended ;-)
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The bus will be lit with interior germicdial lamps and special bacteria/fungus/virus killing aerosol sprays will shoot out of the roof perodically. Passengers are required to wear clean suits before boarding the bus. No portion of human skin or cavity opening is allowed to be exposed to the bus, inside and out.
The bus travels up I-95 all the way up to Boston, then back down towards Richmond, then back up to I-495 and up I-270. From here it goes north on 270 to I-70 and heads up towards Frederick and then it comes back down to the DC area and serves all the sub communities of Montgomery and PG Counties. It then travels back up I-95 and serves the sub communities in the counties of Howard, Baltimore, Baltimore City, Harford, and Cecil. The trip repeats this process while in Delaware, NJ, and NY; serve every subcommunity along the path of I-95.
Every 10 miles, the bus must pull over and a cleaning crew which is always present onboard the bus goes to work and cleans, disinfects, and polishes every little nook and cranny of the bus. If a single scratch is found on the bus while traveling, the trip comes to a halt, the passenegers are unloaded, the bus is deemed to be condemned, and then a new bus must be dispatched from the garage in Alexandria.
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BIG AL
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MetroB
There are women out there strong enough to handle eighteen-wheelers, so what does that mean? I myself recall seeing women driving buses in Anaheim, CA when I was but eight years old (my family were on vacation from Dublin, Ireland visiting Disneyland—and the year was 1977). Heck, my grandmother (on my father’s side) won a contest in which she picked up the rear end of an automobile—an American automobile.
Women also operate trolleys and commuter trains. There was an article in Trains Magazine two years ago about a female Metrolink train operator titled “The Engineer Wore Red Nail Polish”…
Aside from the politically correct viewpoint...jobs are hard to find. Driving a bus sure beats driving a cab or limo... it has benefits, it is safer, and offers a pension.
Where is the mystery in this?
I think the question is more a psychological inquiry. Bascially we won't to know what women really want. :)
And you have another point too actually, I love to drive and thought about driving a cab p/t or something, even if as a second job, but there's some thigns that aren't attractive to do it to me.
And don't ask. People with black hair are more likely to have a crush on people with blond(Gold type color) hair. And this is a true fact!
Then again, when I think about it, I've seen all types of women walk into my store and found myself taking double-takes. From dark-skinned black women to redheads with freckles to those "Mysticals".
All the congressmen and senators were women when you were growing up too. With any luck you'll live to see a woman as president, maybe two.
CG
I still find it a little bit odd since psychologically I can't see too many women choosing this. Most I know/meet aren't the types who would enjoy spending their whole day driving around. There's some that do, but I still think the ratio of men vs. women who have the "obsessive driving gene" isn't that high.
Chuck Greene
I knew this one lady that worked at Metro Access back in the early 90's when I worked there. She had been a WMATA bus driver in the 70's and 80's and told me how she'd ride dark on one route to avoid a certain section of town that attracted a lot of bad kids coming from a skating rink and then put the bus in service when she'd get out of there. Her husband was working the red line at the time I knew her and she was contemplating going back to driving the bus as well.
Its darn good money and benefits. Why not do this? Some of them are better drivers than a lot of the males who get an ego boost out of driving a big bus.
Actually, the biggest bus area in the Southeast which is Orlando, I'm not sure what those Tour Bus operators get, but I read they have very high turnover too.
BIG AL
$16/hr in FL for anything is good money. All the jobs are supposed to pay less there.
Thanks.
BIG AL
http://www.hartline.org/
I like their website, the "articles' are always changing. Big story in the news last night had to do with their fare increases because of a dispute in numbers of what Harline owes teh city, and inconsistancies.
Scrolling down a little bit, the MCI bus is one of two PSTA express routes. 300x and 100x. the 200x is Hartlines version and isn't as freuquent and doesn't use quality equipment too.
It's a good site. If I had a CDL I proably would've tried my luck with them or PSTA for a little bit.
BIG AL
When I went to Buffalo in June 1967 I remember how surprised I was to see women bus operators working for Niagara Frontier Transit. Almost all in Fish Bowls by the way.
Thoughts and prayers to the victim and his family, and for the bus driver involved as well.
Mark
Looking closely there's a sign for the N57 in Flushing!
Sign's broken
The Flushing location that John has picutred has been home to several retailers that have subsequently gone out of business. IIRC the location was home to S. Kleins and possibly Alexander's prior to Caldor.
I remember Caldor going out of business. I asked because I remember a lot of stores and restaurants that went away for years, and I spotted a location or two still in New York. Oh well. There outta be a website on Department Stores of yesterday with how many have gone.
We had several Caldor's down here as well. There was a new one that opened up in Silver Spring, new building, everything, then not so long after the whole company went under.
The one store I really miss is Korvettes. From what I remembered, it was a neat dept. store. We also had something here called, "Memco". It was a Costco type store way before that stuff was around. You had to belong to it to get in, but they didn't sell things in bulk like Costco's do, it just had things cheaper.
I wonder which super-walmart you went to in Orlando. Some on the west side are really nice, a few on the east side are really hideous(as are most of the supermarkets on that side). Wal-mart has a new concept now that I love too. It's called Neighborhood market. 24/7 with self-checkout lines.
So many department stores are being merged and bought out today, sometimes it's werid how a store just goes under without a buy-out.
The Wal Mart I went to was actually in Kissimee, now that I think of it. It was near all the Disney hotels. Some friends and I did a snack run and another friend decided to get all his Disney memorabilia there. LOL.
And that's the store I was trying to think of, Bradlees. Couldn't remember the name! Maybe I should do a website on that stuff, i've been trying for years to come up with something "interesting" to do a site on. haha
The second one is on Garret Place, which is off of Crooked Hill Road near the LIE on the site of a golf driving range. In this case the whole chain of driving ranges went bankrupt. The stated reason for this second Target is that the first one is so successful they don't have enough warehouse space in the back to stock the store. Therefore this store, which seems larger than the first, has a huge warehouse to serve as an overflow for the first store. I think that could be a reason as well as by grabbing this location it prevents Wall-Mart or any other large box store from getting the property.
Korvettes was a department store that competed with Alexander's and to a lesser degree, Sears. It was proabably the forerunner of Target and Wal-Mart. Rumor had it that the name was a shortening of "Eleven (or eight) Korean War Veterans. They had two or three stores in Manhattan, several in Queens (including Douglaston on the LIE) and Huntington at the south end of the WW Mall where Today's Man, Bed Bath and Beyond as well as Michaels Arts and Crafts are /were.
If you had invested that $ 14 imagine what kind of bommbox with an AM-FM Stereo radio, cassette recorder and CD player you could buy. Shows that if you wait long enough, the price of electronics comes tumbling down.
WHITE TOWER - was a glorified coffee shop that IIRC served breakfast such as eggs & toast with coffee and then had regular burgers and other stuff for lunch and dinner. Not to be confused with White Castle. There was one on Queens Blvd between 47th and 48th that went through to Greenpoint Ave, just before it crosses QB and becomes Roosevelt Ave. The second one was on the S/E corner of 14th St. and 2nd Ave in Manhattan. There were probably more but I don't know where.
The Long John Silver's that you mention I think is long out of business. There was one on Jericho Turnpike in Huntington Station near where the Post Office is. It took over a building from another fast food chain and failed. The building was bulldozed to expand the strip mall where Panama Hatties is.
K-Mart has a store in the old Caldor building at Bruckner Plaza (White Plains Road/Story Ave, the Bronx).