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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
MTA # 7991 on the 68 Line. Division 7 - W Hollywood Depot Bus
Taken at Downtown Los Angeles ( Broadway & 7th Street )
Also, since carbon composites are used, how much lighter is the NABI 40C-LFW compared to similar buses? (i.e., the Neoplan AN440LF CNG, the New Flyer C40LF, and the Orion 07.501 CNG)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Im not sure on the weight of these compo buses .... check on http://www.nabiusa.com
also ... MTA will be getting 70 45ft CNG CompoBuses starting in 2004.
Each Division / Depot are suppose to get 3 buses so that drivers/operators can get familiar with them.
What happens when a express bus is subed for a local and vica versa?
heres what I seen for the past 3 years
MetroRapid # 7103 on Line 220, a non-rapid line
MetroRapid # 7101 on Line 14, a non-rapid line
MetroRapid # 7902 on Line 60, a non-rapid line
MetroRapid # 7901 on line 460, a non-rapid line
at MTA, if the bus runs ... send it out. No matter if its a RapidBus needed on a local route and theres no other spare buses left
The colors are neat in My opinion ... cant wait to see the railcars painted like this. Too bad the twinkies arent going to be painted like this
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Trouble is, the color lights on the buses tended to blend in with all the other lights of the city, so they were useless.
Wayne
Two of the lights used to represent the current BxM4C (White Plains-Yonkers-Manhattan) service...
Two of the lights used to represent the since eliminated BxM4D (Tarrytown-Yonkers-Manhattan) service...
The Fifth ligh might have been the Wall Street runs on either route...
This I got from a bus operator who works for Bee-Line and has worked there for abour 15 years.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Thank You
Two weeks ago, I saw a Command bus signed for the Q25. Every NYCDOT-owned bus is programed with all companies' destination readings, to facilitate fleet reassignments.
True, all the buses with electronic printout signs have all the signs programmed in. Is this the case with the buses with the rollsigns (i.e., Classics, GMC RTS)? (I am presuming the New Looks and NYBS Classics 1600-2 are not, because they are owned by the owner of NYBS, the only private outfit buses not owned by the DOT.)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Peace,
Kevin
Is there any word about the B-42 schedule. It is still very crowded between 7 and 7:30AM with buses jammed
THank You
As I said, the route was checked during the AM rush right after school opened. It was checked in both directions at Canarsie HS. The route was found to be operating well within loading guidelines. Accordingly, no action will be taken.
David
At what time was it checked?
Well how come at 7:15AM i can not get on a bus at Avenue J towards the Subway because the bus is filled with people standing from the front till the back
And this happens every morning!!
If its within guidlines what do you call this?
Please advise
During rush hours, service is measured in trips per half-hour. A single overcrowded trip in a given period (here, 7-7:30 AM) will not in and of itself trigger a service increase. Rather, average riding per bus has to be over guidelines during the entire 30-minute period to trigger a service increase.
Is the trip in question on time? Was the trip in front of it on time, or there at all? (If it's habitually early, it may be missing some passengers, who then get on the following bus -- the one in question -- overloading that bus and possibly causing some people to have to wait for the next bus.) Is the following trip on time? Is it also overcrowded? And, by the way, how many people are we talking about here? On a feeder route that uses 40-footers, such as the B42, loads of 60 or slightly more are to be expected.
David
Under the old schedule they were 10 buses on the road at 7AM and now their are only 8
Every morning since the pick started at least two buses do not stop at Avenue J because they have no room before i can get on.
It has nothing to do with school kids because i get on past Canarsie High School which is at Avenue K
The bottom line is something is wrong here
When is Operations Planning going to wake up ?
Thank You
BTW- I am their every morning at the same time
What does the back of these buses (behind the rear door) look like? Are these buses jammed stem to stern, or are they jammed in the front but empty in the back, as so often happens in this city? I'm just trying to get a fuller picture of what's going on here.
David
I have seen buses packed so tight they are passengers standing in the front steps and i wonder how the operators drive at times
Thank You
David
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
The buses i have seen are jammed with people standing completely from front to the back
I will nor be working tomorrow because of the Jewish Holiday but will post later this week on what i see on Tuesday and Wednesday
To all who observe the Jewish Holidays a Happy and Healthy New Year to you.
Thank You
Just to let you know this morning at about 7:30Am Runs 1 and 2 on the B-42 were packed like sardines with standees from the front to the back.
Since i did not see another bus i ended up walking to the subway.
Sorry i could not get the bus numbers to you
Thank You
David
Thanks a lot
Happy and Healthy New Year
That's entirely possible. Many OA routes have extras operating from "foreign" depots.
Peace,
Kevin
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Caught it today...what a funny feeling...riding this Bx15 with all of these M101 and Bx55 artics...
HOLLA BACK!
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Thank you...
BTW, here's the image of the day...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
As I was coming home, I saw CNG 2312 running on the E2, kind of shocked me to see that bus on that route. I wonder if this was just a loaner to this route or is this route now running partially from Bladnesburg, or has been.
Also saw alot of 87s running on Landover routes, 8766 on the 84, 8797 on the T18, 8705 on the F8 and a couple of more I might have seen but not remembered.
Wayne
I haven't seen a single LED sign on a 1998 orion V yet. None of the buses on the C2 or C8 (Which pass regularly thru UMD) have them yet.
Montgomery should be getting these soon....right? I mean, we got screwed cuz we don't have an Neoplans.
Chris, which block/run makes this extra trip? I don't see an obvious candidate in the headway book.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
I guess it must have jumped over there...
What kinda madness is this?
BTW, 7634 was two buses behind #7610 today, I forgot the run # on either of them...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
I'm surprised you didn't ride it and then go crazy inside of the bus. Knowing you, you would have screamed your ass off had you not given yourself restraint.
WITH THE LUMINATOR ORANGE LED DESTINATION SIGNS...
ENJOY!
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Here are some various photos of the N22 bus route through Westbury and Carle Place
And the temporary bus stop at Roosevelt Field
There is reconstruction going on at the Roosevelt Field bus stop. Buses coming from Hempstead now have to turn around at a point across from Bloomingdales, I believe. This does delay the buses a bit as they have to go out of the way to turn around. The mall should have done away with that ring road, its not an airport anymore!
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Robert
Peace,
ANDEE
Robert
Also, 4509 has arrived at Jamaica Depot. I saw this bus deadheading to Jamaica Depot.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
YES I KNOW WHO CONTROLS THE MOVEMENTS OF BUSES FROM DEPOT TO DEPOT!!!
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
I know I'm egging on and on about MV but its just cause it looks and feels weird to see those 9400's and 9500's there.The 9600's I can accept but the others? Nah! Another move should've seen buses 8090-8097 go from ENY-WF since 8089 is there.Which reminds me,where's 8088?
Do you plan on running the Bx23 at night?
But I think the Bx34 is better off going to Mount Vernon(because it is 24/7 and it would run through a part of Yonkers)
And if any buses go to Mount Vernon, the Bx16 stops at S 11th Avenue/Sandford Blvd (6th Street) and at Mundy Lane/Pitman Avenue will have no service, unless the Bx16 runs there weekdays only.
Bx16 should have split service from 5:30 am - 7:30 pm, then after 7:30, and all weekends, it will only run to Pelham/Ropes(actually allowing passengers to ride thru the turn around) (maybe even going into Pelham Manor).
I know.... Bx23 will run from Fordham Plaza, up Valentine, to meet up with Bx28, then it will run up Jerome Avenue until 200th Street(Bedford Park Boulevard), then it will go by Lehman College, then back on Jerome near Mosholu Parkway, then follow Bx28 until 206th Street, then run up Bainbridge with the Bx10,Bx16,Bx28,Bx30,and Bx34 until Gun Hill Road, then Bx23 will run up Bainbridge with Bx34 and Bx16 speed up Bainbridge into Jerome until E 233rd Street, turn right, then go down until Webster, turn left, go up to E 238th Street(Nereid Avenue)/E 240th Street/Mclean Avenue, turn left, turn left on Mundy Lane, turn right on W 3rd Street, left on S 5th Avenue, right on Prospect Avenue to the Mount Vernon Metro North Station
Or Bx16 Mundy Lane branches could run up 241st Street instead of 238th Street weekdays only, that would spread service out more(of course Bx16 would have to enter Yonkers to get to Wakefield Avenue, whish goes into 241st Street)
I would run the Bx23(or Bx34) the opposite direction on Mundy Lane to follow this routing
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=47532
more on the Bx16/Bx23/Bx34 plans that were proposed
For whatever reason it was never implemented
Thank You
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Thanks, that I know, we all look for the hump, it actually makes it easier to tell when the bus is comming when its behind other vehicles from a distance such as vans. But I was actually refering to when yall say "Orion V" or whatever.
100-387 & 657-666 are O5 CNG's.
The lower 600's up to 656 are Diesel O5's.
My book for today looks like this:
10-2
WMATA Rohr Breda 3046
FH -> Grosvenor
RO 37 Orion V 5622
Grosvenor -> Deborah
RO 37 Gillig 5391
Deborah -> Grosvenor
WMATA Breda 3175
Grosvenor -> FH
I also write in notes if I see something strange. An example might be "9206 at FH with flag on rear". I also log subway and train rides, too.
So you just log when you get on and off the bus, and not the destinations (if you arent going to the terminal)
Also, I note where I get on and get off the bus, not the whole length of the route
Interestingly enough, yesterday morning, I rode 3046. In the afternoon, I rode 3175 and as the train pulled out, the numbers seemed familiar. This morning, I got 3046 again (pure coincidence, it rarely happens the same consist is assigned to the same run if it is kept together overnight) and as the train pulled out, as I had suspected, 3175 was the last car. I rode the same train 3 times in a row. The streak ended this afternoon when I got car 1000, the lowest numbered MetroRail car and the second to be delivered. This being the first time I've seen that pair in many months, there was no way I had been on those cars recently.
Well as you see with my bus trips, I usually carry a paper & pen and take down what I ride and important/unusual observations. NOW whenever I do a shuttle bus trip, I write all the bus #'s that I see running on the operarion along with the depots that are in it. I write it down or I would forget since all the #'s would get jumbled up, not remembering it exactly.
Sorry, no hablo HTML.
CG
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Incredible. They risked their lives for $35.00 dollars.
Sorry, no hablo HTML.
CG
1] NJT 3705 still has its South Jersey advertisement (Burns Honda), now I wish they would return the bus to its righful place and take back the pieces of shit they stuck us with down here!
2] It looks like a bunch of Hasidic Jews on that Fishbowl. I bet you pissed your pants when you saw that Fishbowl, didn'nt you?
3] It STILL looks funny without the WTC in the background.
No, I'd seen it before, though this was one of the first photos I got of it, I believe.
http://photos.transitgallery.com/bmw_misc/aaj
AND WHY THE HELL SHOULD THE EMPLOYEES HAVE SUCH A COOL BUS??? GIVE THEM AN O7 DAMMIT!!!! OR 3469!!!! THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR AN EMPLOYEE SHUTTLE, AS IT WOULD MATCH THE CONDITIONS OF THE EMPLOYEE BATHROOM AT THE 165th ST TERMINAL!!!
Bah!
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
What was the problem with this bus exactly? Did it always break down or did it encounter other weird problems that cannot be explained?
BIG AL
That's the true current DEVIL BUS.
Robert
Thanks!
Sunshine Travel runs all buses and they should also be able to allow luggage. Again, I am not absolutely sure, but if I recall correctly, when I rode Eastern Tours from DC-NYC in july, many of the passengers had luggage with them. So if I were you, bring your luggage, I'm pretty sure they accept luggage.
BTW, the Fung Wah bus stop is at 139 Canal Street and the Sunshine travel bus stops are at 89 Bowery and 139 Canal Street.
Hope that helps.
Lucky Star Bus
Fung Wah
Sunshine Travel
If I were you, I would probably take Lucky Star. Their buses look nice! But you can take whatever you want or whatever's there when you're in Chinatown. Either way, they'll all accept your luggage (unless u carry an elephant) I hope this helps you, and don't forget to tell us about your experience with the Chinatown Bus when you're done ;-) Good Luck and Have fun!
Are they still running their GMDD Fishbowls, and if so, are those being wrapped as well?
-F.
-F.
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Q43 SUTPHIN BL
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Q76 165 ST
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Q83 HILLSIDE AV
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Q84 PARSONS BL
Q85 PARSONS BL
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Q88 QUEENS BL
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N31 SEAGIRT BL
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N46 JACKSON ST
N47 JERUSALEM AV
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N48 JACKSON ST
N48 BROADWAY
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N49 BROADWAY
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N51 HEWLETT AV
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N53 PARK AV
N53 HEWLETT AV
N54 JACKSON ST
N54 OAK ST
N55 JACKSON ST
N55 LOUDEN AV
N57 PARK PL
N57 MIDDLE NECK RD
N58 KINGS POINT RD
N58 PARK PL
N62 HENRY ST
N62 HOWARD AV
N65 MAIN ST
N65 MERRICK AV
N66 MAIN ST
N66 EMROY RD
N67 STEWART AV
N67 PRINCE AV
N70 JACKSON ST
N70 PINELAWN RD
N71 JACKSON ST
N71 CARMANS RD
N72 JACKSON ST
N72 RAILROAD AV
N73 BARCLAY ST
N73 MERRICK RD
N74 BARCLAY ST
N74 MERRICK RD
N78 THIRD AV
N78 NEWTOWN RD
N79 THIRD AV
N79 PLAINVIEW RD
N80 JOHN ST
N80 CARMANS RD
N81 JOHN ST
N81 CARMANS RD
N93 STEWART AV
N93 GLENN CURTISS BL
N94 NEWBRIDGE RD
N94 PIQUETS LN
N95 PINELAWN RD
N95 SECATOGUE AV
X1 SEVENTH AV
X1 ARTHUR KILL RD
X2 THIRD AV
X2 EBBITTS ST
X2 PARK AV
X2 TYSENS LN
X3 VESEY ST
X3 EBBITTS ST
X3 TYSENS LN
X4 VESEY ST
X4 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 THIRD AV
X5 PARK AV
X6 SEVENTH AV
X6 ARTHUR KILL RD
X7 SEVENTH AV
X7 RICHMOND AV
X8 PEARL ST
X8 RICHMOND AV
X9 SEVENTH AV
X9 EBBITTS ST
X9 TYSENS LN
X10 THIRD AV
X10 JEWETT AV
X11 BROADWAY
X11 WILD AV
X12 11 AV
X12 SOUTH AV
X13 JEWETT AV
X13 RECTOR ST
X13 WHITEHALL ST
X14 11 AV
X14 JEWETT AV
X15 RICHMOND AV
X15 RECTOR ST
X15 WHITEHALL ST
X16 BROADWAY
X16 POST AV
X17 THIRD AV
X17 WOODROW RD
X18 TARGEE ST
X18 RECTOR ST
X18 SCHOOL RD
X18 WHITEHALL ST
X19 BROADWAY
X19 WOODROW RD
X20 RECTOR ST
X20 WHITEHALL ST
X20 FINGERBOARD RD
X20 SAND LN
X22 PAGE AV
X22 THIRD AV
X22 PARK AV
X25 PARK AV
X25 VESEY ST
X26 34 ST
X26 VESEY ST
X27 MADISON AV
X27 MARINE AV
X28 MADISON AV
X28 SURF AV
X29 MADISON AV
X29 STILLWELL AV
X30 11 AV
X30 CLOVE RD
X31 ARTHUR KILL RD
X31 THIRD AV
X31 PARK AV
X32 PARK AV
X32 165 ST
X51 165 ST
X51 34 ST
X37 MADISON AV
X37 MARINE AV
X38 MADISON AV
X38 SURF AV
X63 FIRST AV
X63 253 ST
X64 FIRST AV
X64 LINDEN BL
X68 FIRST AV
X68 HILLSIDE AV
X90 VESEY ST
X90 92 ST
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CDTA Please do us all a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY! And Leave the board already, you are so called 11 years old and very annoying.
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"Here you go CDTA:
MaBSTOA and NYCTA Bus Fleet
1981 GMC-RTS: LOCAL: 1201-1297, 1318-1658, 2201-2579, EXPRESS: 1298-1317. All 1981 buses have been retired. (22 years old)
1982 GMC-RTS: LOCAL: 1659-1733, 2580-2704, EXPRESS: 1734-1858. Currently being replaced. All 1982 buses have been retired. (21 years old)
1983 GMC-RTS: LOCAL: 3001-3325. (3160-4 Cylinder TEST BUS) All 1983 buses retired. 1984 GMC-RTS: LOCAL: 3400-3799. Currently being retired. (20 years old)
1985 GMC-RTS: EXPRESS: 3800-3899, LOCAL: 3900-4218. Currently being retired. 1986 GMC-RTS: LOCAL: 4300-4599. Currently being retired.
(18 years)
1987 TMC-RTS: LOCAL: 4600-4872, 4889-4899, EXPRESS: 4873-4888-Converted to soft seats by NYCTA. 4854-4864, 4866-4872, 4889-4899 2x2 hard seats. (16 years old)
1990 TMC-RTS: LOCAL: 8000-8399. (8397-orig. METHANOL-conv. hybrid-scrapped), 8398-DIESEL/CNG, 8399-CNG). Note: 8398 & 8399 sold to Command. (13 years old)
1993 TMC-RTS: LOCAL: 8400-8567. (8565-8566-4 CYLINDERS, 8567-CNG-4 CYLINDERS). Note: 8567 sold to Command. (10 years old)
1993 BIA-ORION: EXPRESS: 101-172, LOCAL: 173-316. (10 years old)
1994 BIA-ORION: LOCAL: 317-CNG, 400-401. (9 years old)
1994 TMC-RTS: LOCAL: 8600-8703.( 9 years old)
1996 NOVA-RTS: LOCAL: 8750-9249. (7 years old)
1995 BIA-ORION: LOCAL: 402-610, (581-610-CNG), EXPRESS: 611-630.(8 years old)
1996 BIA-ORION: LOCAL: 631-680. ( 7 years old)
1997 NOVA-RTS: EXPRESS: 9250-9349. (6 years old)
1997 NEW-FLYER ARTICULATED: LOCAL: 1000-1069 (6 years old). Bus 1001 is a 1996 model(7 years old).
1998 NEW-FLYER ARTICULATED: LOCAL: 1070-1109. (5 years old)
1997-98 NOVA-RTS: LOCAL: 9350-9699. 9351-9525, 9656 have cloth-padded seats, and 9350, 9526-9655, 9657-9699 have hard seats. (5 or 6 years old)
1998 MCI: EXPRESS: 1860-2039.(5 years old)1998 destroyed in WTC attack.
1999 BIA-ORION: LOCAL: 6000-6359. 6350-6359 are low-floor hybrids.
1999 MCI: EXPRESS: 2040-2139. (4 years old)
1999 NOVA-RTS: LOCAL: 4900-5249. 4900-4987-lower side signs & 4988-5249-upper side signs. (4 years old)
1999-2000 NEW-FLYER LOW-FLOOR CNG LOCAL: 800-989. 1999-2000 NEW-FLYER ARTICULATED: 5250-5509. ( some 3 or 4 years old)
2000 MCI: EXPRESS: 2705-2804. (3 years old)
2001 MCI: EXPRESS: 2140-2209, 2805-2824. (2 years old)
2002 MCI: EXPRESS: 2825-2924. 2002 NEW-FLYER ARTICULATED: 5510-5769. Delivery in progress. (at least a year old)
2002-2003 OBI-ORION CNG LOW-FLOOR: LOCAL: 7560-7619. Delivery in progress. 2002-03 OBI-ORION HYBRID: 6365-6489 Delivery due 2003. 6365 in MCH. (more or less than a year old)
I hope this helps. I got this from the utcny.org website. Any corrections, let me know.
MetroB"
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NYCT bus ages?
The newest buses receive by NYCT was in 2003 the oldest ones still in serive my guess is the 1981 rebuilt rts buses?
If that is what you mean.
The routes being considered for elimination include 14A, 14B, 14C, 14D, Bethesda/Lake Forest/Tysons Corner; B11, Bethesda Reverse Commute; C18, Waldorf-Branch Avenue; G1, Greenbelt Station Parking Lot Shuttle; N7, Montgomery Mall-Federal Triangle Express; and N11, N13, Branch Avenue-King Street.
The State of Maryland is proposing to eliminate these bus routes due to low ridership relative to their operating costs.
Public hearings will be held on Tuesday, October 21, at 7 p.m. at Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School and on Wednesday, October 22, at 7 p.m. at Oxon Hill Middle School.
Apt has a Bachelor's degree from Queens College, and she would like to study neuropsychology at her alma mater’s graduate school, but she refuses.
"Why would I go to school and tell a teacher I was late for an exam because the driver didn’t have a lift or he passed me by?" Apt complained. "I will not pay for school and register for classes unless I know I will get to school on time."
She, like many residents in Queens, with and without disabilities, has the misfortune of relying on bus services run by four private companies ? Green Lines, Triboro Coach, Command Bus and Queens Surface. These companies are a few of the seven companies that receive subsidies from the city to operate their service. Passengers who use these lines are all too familiar with long waits, crowded buses and frequently inoperable wheelchair lifts.
The public transportation plight is the result of a triangle of squabbling between the city, the Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA) and these seven private bus companies that provide supplemental local and express routes to the boroughs underserved by the MTA.
Currently the city, through the Department of Transportation, pays private companies the sum of over $100 million a year to defray some of the operating costs. Yet, since last December, the mayor’s office has advocated that lines be taken over by the MTA, partially because it believes the state agency could run the lines more efficiently and partially as a means to trim its budget of the meaty sum. The city hoped to have a plan for a takeover by June 30 of this year, but that never materialized and talks between the city, MTA and Governor George Pataki are continuing slowly.
News from the MTA camp has been terse. Tom Kelly, a spokesman for MTA, said that talks are ongoing, but his agency is willing to take over the lines if certain conditions are met. Kelly would not go into specifics but said, "It’s a number of factors, including financing." The MTA has stated in the past that it would take over the bus lines on a cost neutral basis.
In the meantime, the private lines, for years, have cried foul that their fleet of buses, which the city owns but they operate, is too small for the population it serves and is aging. The squabbling became more heated last week, when the Transit Alliance, an organization that represents Green Line, Triboro Coaches and Command Bus, announced its clients had filed a lawsuit against the city for, what they purport to be, a deliberate attempt to cripple them in advance of the proposed MTA takeover.
"To put it simply, the city has purposefully undertaken a strategy to destroy our companies," said Jerry Cooper, a chairman of the Transit Alliance, at a news conference announcing the law suit, on the steps of Queens Borough Hall.
The three companies are suing for money they feel they should have been given in the past for out-of-pocket capital expenses that the three companies made to their buses. They are also suing for continued operations expenses and for insuring compensation for their investments, if the lines are transferred over to the MTA.
Transit Alliance said that the lack of bus upgrades has forced service cuts that will affect riders in the coming weeks. Green Bus expects reductions of 15 peak-hour buses and Triboro Coach has already proposed a fall schedule with 43 fewer peak-hour buses on 14 routes. Command Bus has proposed express route reductions of four peak-hour buses.
The mayor’s office responded to the lawsuit by calling it "scurrilous and without merit." Jordan Barowitz, a spokesman for the mayor, said that the city is currently up to date on its subsidy payments.
"We believe having the MTA take over the private bus lines will result in better service and greater value for New York taxpayers," he said. "The city gives the private bus companies more than $100 million a year in subsidies."
But, the private companies want more than operational subsidies. They would like to see new city-owned buses.
"They want us to upgrade their facilities and their buses," DOT spokesman Tom Cocola said. "The Queens bus companies sent us a list last year, and in a perfect world, with an unlimited budget, every bus should come with air conditioning and wheelchair accessibility." The problem, Cocola explained, is that the city does not have the funding to make those extensive upgrades.
"It’s lip service, not bus service," said Apt cheekily about the entire bus fuss.
When it comes to public transportation in the city, whether MTA or private, Apt’s an aficionado, a bus line doyen. Through her assertion and persistence, bus drivers know her and greet her on a first-name basis. She also knows who to call and howl at if a bus is unable to pick her up.
"I like the MTA buses because I can be spontaneous," said Apt, who can take their routes, which operate 24 hours a day on a timetable, anytime she wants. She, like the city, would like to see the private lines taken over by the MTA.
"MTA buses are up to snuff," concurred Cocola. "They have accordion buses and are better in terms of fuel efficiencies ?buses that are better equipped in terms of air conditioning and wheelchair accessibility. Maybe in due time, they could have better efficiency of services [than the private lines]."
The Queens Courier accompanied Apt on some of her bus routes last Friday morning to see firsthand what it’s like for residents, particularly those who cannot access the MTA subways due to a disability or age, to get around in the borough on these private lines.
The first stop, on Queens Boulevard and 75th Avenue, was a short wait for the Q60 line run by Green Buses. It is the route Apt takes to visit her mother. Before the bus even approached, she pointed out a deficiency on this line and all other lines run by private bus companies: guide-a-rides. Although required at all MTA’s bus stops, guide-a-rides ? postings of the line’s routes and a time schedule at each stop ?are nowhere to be found on private circuits. Apt said it deflects blame on the bus companies if they are late, since they are not making any guarantees about pick-up times. In contrast, it burdens passengers waiting at stops, not knowing when a bus will show. When asked about this shortcoming, a Transit Alliance official said it was not the bus company’s responsibility but DOT’s.
When the bus arrived, the irritation of some passengers was visible at Apt’s presence. It took five minutes for her to be loaded. She’s grown accustomed to the scowls from passengers but not the bus drivers.
"A bad attitude from drivers sends out a message to passengers that I am holding everybody up," said Apt. In the past, she said, private line bus drivers have treated her poorly because she’s held up their schedules.
After riding the Q60 bus for a few minutes down Queens Boulevard, Apt signaled for her stop. The real problems began.
The lift jammed. The bus driver unsuccessfully worked for 10 minutes to get it to move. She then tried radio-ing her dispatcher for some assistance, but her radio didn’t work. Luckily, she had her cellphone with her, so she could still call headquarters. She was instructed to restart the bus, which eventually got the lift working, allowing Apt to descend. Meanwhile, during the fiasco, three frustrated passengers exited the bus, preferring to walk rather than wait.
"How can you not have a radio that works?" Apt asked bemusingly. She wondered what a bus operator without a working radio and the luxury of a cellphone would do if there were a serious emergency.
For the rest of our trip, all the buses had working lifts. However, waits at other bus stops, which included another Q60 and a Q65 that ran along Queens Boulevard and Jewel Avenue, took well over 10 minutes. During the wait, the queues grew to 20 to 25 people. When buses came, it would take another 10 minutes to load the bus and operate the lift for Apt.
"Private operators have been ignorant to the needs of the community," said one angry passenger, who wished to remain anonymous, during one of the waits. "When passengers complain, it falls on deaf ears."
For all these problems, the private bus companies represented by Transit Alliance put full blame on the city and DOT for their "chokehold."
"These buses get worse and worse," said a Transit Alliance representative, noting that the average age for company buses is 16 years. "They haven’t provided new buses. That’s why you end up with overcrowding and not enough buses on the routes."
The representative also noted that Green Buses had delivered a comprehensive plan for wheelchair accessible buses, this summer, but it went unanswered. "We are upset about it [the poor service] as well," said the representative. "People don’t complain to the DOT, they complain to us."
Surprisingly, not all private companies operating in Queens are involved in the lawsuit. Queens Surface has followed a different route, preferring talks to litigation.
In a statement about the lawsuit, the company’s spokesman, Mike Gill, said, "We want to make it clear that Queens Surface is not a party to the suit filed...by the other independent bus companies." Gill stated that the company’s president, Myra Burke, does not believe a lawsuit is the best way to address the subsidy problem. "She would prefer to resolve the issue through discussions with the mayor’s office or the city’s Department of Transportation," said Gill. "That’s the approach the public deserves and that’s been missing for too long."
The real challenge for the three parties involved will be the December 31st deadline, when the city’s contract with the private companies is up. The missed June 30th deadline for a transfer over to the MTA placed the ability to reach an agreement in question. A Transit Alliance representative warned that if the city fails to push through a deal with MTA in the next few months, then the new year will find the depots shuttered and the city buses idle. If the private companies were to continue to operate, legislation would have to pass the City Council, which has a hearing planned about the bus situation on October 10.
If an MTA deal goes through, the Transit Alliance representative also warned that the state agency would be required to provide job protection for its bus drivers and incorporate them into the Transit Workers Union. When asked if this is what would happen, the MTA’s Kelly said, "That’s all part of the negotiations."
However, Barowitz was confident that an agreement would be reached. He said that the city hopes to have something set with the MTA by December 31.
Meanwhile, it’s the passengers suffering through the long waits and crowded rides.
"It’s lousy," groused Henry Key, a Flushing resident who lives near Queens College. "Look how long we are here." He was part of a line that snaked half a block on Queens Boulevard, between 71st and 72nd Avenues, waiting for a bus.
The last stop The Queens Courier waited at with Apt was a Q65 on Jewel Avenue that led back to Queens Boulevard. Apt and this reporter stood for 15 minutes. It had been a long, tiring morning. Instead of continuing to scan the street for our ride home, we did what other wouldbe passengers have done, skipped it and made the journey to our respective destinations without public transportation.
Nonetheless, she has problems with just about everyone else. I believe in equal rights for the disabled, but I do not believe in unjust entitlements simply because one is disabled. There's a huge difference, and apparently, she doesn't realize or care that there is a huge difference.
""Why would I go to school and tell a teacher I was late for an exam because the driver didn’t have a lift or he passed me by?" Apt complained. "I will not pay for school and register for classes unless I know I will get to school on time."
Why? Because that's life. We all have issues we must deal with. If a bus doesn't have a working lift, the next bus will. The law requires it. If leaving 10 or 20 minutes early is too much to ask of some people who depend on public transportation to get around, half the employees in this city should just stay home.
However, she doesn't need the bus. She qualifies for Access-A-Ride. The point of not taking Access-A-Ride in lieu of taking a "regular bus just like everyone else" serves the ego, not the goal.
""A bad attitude from drivers sends out a message to passengers that I am holding everybody up," said Apt. In the past, she said, private line bus drivers have treated her poorly because she’s held up their schedules."
A bad attitude from drivers is unprofessional and unsympathetic. And it does reflect poorly. Not on the individual, mind you, but on the driver himself and of the agency providing the service. However, loading one wheelchair does indeed hold everyone up and delay service because the schedules do not provide adequate running time to board able passengers, let along dewll 5 minutes or more in one bus stop.
""How can you not have a radio that works?" Apt asked bemusingly. She wondered what a bus operator without a working radio and the luxury of a cellphone would do if there were a serious emergency."
A working radio is not necessary for passenger service. A working radio is required to actually "work" on hawk buses only. There are other means of communication available to us, namely, the toll-free number to road control. Of course, they SHOULD work, but that's another issue entirely. Everything has been cut back, from repairs to schedules, to service while increasing headweays. It's the NYCT way. Only now, these numerous inadequacies are more apparent under these tight-fisted, tighter-walleted times.
""Private operators have been ignorant to the needs of the community," said one angry passenger, who wished to remain anonymous, during one of the waits. "When passengers complain, it falls on deaf ears." For all these problems, the private bus companies represented by Transit Alliance put full blame on the city and DOT for their "chokehold." "These buses get worse and worse," said a Transit Alliance representative, noting that the average age for company buses is 16 years. "They haven’t provided new buses. That’s why you end up with overcrowding and not enough buses on the routes."
It is no secret to anyone here that the private lines, Green and Jamaica especially, do not have enough equipment, manpower or funding to properly service the communities they service. "
B1-#4774-TMCRTS
1. If next bus is 15min or less the driver does not have to call
in to "Radio" (Peak Hour, Central Avenue (Camelback to Broadway), 3, 17, G, 41, 50, 72)
2. if next bus is 15-30 min The operator may call in for a supervisor (Car Or Van) to transport passenger to on route dest. or transfer location.
3. If more then 30min, Express Or Rapid the operator is "required" to request a supervisor (Car or Van).
The Newflyers and NABI can usally pull close enough to the curb for a wheelhcair to roll right on the bus but not all stops are at curb height.
This policy applies to ALL Operators with all Contractors.
NO EXCEPTIONS
On buses with non working radios, Handheld radios are issued.
They're just trying to double-dip. All of the companies' past expenses have already been charged to (and reimbursed by) DOT.
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The new album is called 10-3-03: Goin' Downtown. Enjoy!
P.S. You might find a very interesting set of rail photos in that album, but only if you're a DC area transit fan;-)
WMATA Neos rule, but 9412 is just intoxicating!
DC Transit
I have a few pictures of the rehabbed 2000s taken from S. Quaker Lane, they are located in the WMATA Metrorail album, enjoy!
BIG AL
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Nonetheless, she has problems with just about everyone else. I believe in equal rights for the disabled, but I do not believe in unjust entitlements simply because one is disabled. There's a huge difference, and apparently, she doesn't realize or care that there is a huge difference.
""Why would I go to school and tell a teacher I was late for an exam because the driver didn’t have a lift or he passed me by?" Apt complained. "I will not pay for school and register for classes unless I know I will get to school on time."
Why? Because that's life. We all have issues we must deal with. If a bus doesn't have a working lift, the next bus will. The law requires it. If leaving 10 or 20 minutes early is too much to ask of some people who depend on public transportation to get around, half the employees in this city should just stay home.
However, she doesn't need the bus. She qualifies for Access-A-Ride. The point of not taking Access-A-Ride in lieu of taking a "regular bus just like everyone else" serves the ego, not the goal.
""A bad attitude from drivers sends out a message to passengers that I am holding everybody up," said Apt. In the past, she said, private line bus drivers have treated her poorly because she’s held up their schedules."
A bad attitude from drivers is unprofessional and unsympathetic. And it does reflect poorly. Not on the individual, mind you, but on the driver himself and of the agency providing the service. However, loading one wheelchair does indeed hold everyone up and delay service because the schedules do not provide adequate running time to board able passengers, let along dewll 5 minutes or more in one bus stop.
""How can you not have a radio that works?" Apt asked bemusingly. She wondered what a bus operator without a working radio and the luxury of a cellphone would do if there were a serious emergency."
A working radio is not necessary for passenger service. A working radio is required to actually "work" on hawk buses only. There are other means of communication available to us, namely, the toll-free number to road control. Of course, they SHOULD work, but that's another issue entirely. Everything has been cut back, from repairs to schedules, to service while increasing headweays. It's the NYCT way. Only now, these numerous inadequacies are more apparent under these tight-fisted, tighter-walleted times.
""Private operators have been ignorant to the needs of the community," said one angry passenger, who wished to remain anonymous, during one of the waits. "When passengers complain, it falls on deaf ears." For all these problems, the private bus companies represented by Transit Alliance put full blame on the city and DOT for their "chokehold." "These buses get worse and worse," said a Transit Alliance representative, noting that the average age for company buses is 16 years. "They haven’t provided new buses. That’s why you end up with overcrowding and not enough buses on the routes."
It is no secret to anyone here that the private lines, Green and Jamaica especially, do not have enough equipment, manpower or funding to properly service the communities they service. "
B1-#4774-TMCRTS
1. If next bus is 15min or less the driver does not have to call
in to "Radio" (Peak Hour, Central Avenue (Camelback to Broadway), 3, 17, G, 41, 50, 72)
2. if next bus is 15-30 min The operator may call in for a supervisor (Car Or Van) to transport passenger to on route dest. or transfer location.
3. If more then 30min, Express Or Rapid the operator is "required" to request a supervisor (Car or Van).
The Newflyers and NABI can usally pull close enough to the curb for a wheelhcair to roll right on the bus but not all stops are at curb height.
This policy applies to ALL Operators with all Contractors.
NO EXCEPTIONS
On buses with non working radios, Handheld radios are issued.
They're just trying to double-dip. All of the companies' past expenses have already been charged to (and reimbursed by) DOT.
Now the bad news (hopefully, AcelaExpress doesn't have any sharp objects nearby). The original plan of having the 250 bus order split between JG and WF at 125 buses each has been altered slightly. Gleason is now only slated to receive 95 O7's (7560-7654), while the remaining 155 go to WF (7655-7809). JG needs about 15-20 more buses (not counting the WF loaners) to complete their allotment, and get rid of their remaining RTS's. WF will also wind up losing all of their RTS's and even some Orions as their depot will be mostly O7 and articulated by the spring of '04. Buses 5506-5509 are currently there for training purposes only, and will return to their homes as well.
Now let's all chip in and talk AcelaExpress down off that building ledge. LOL
Mark
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Maybe the 2003-2004 New Flyer D60HF #5700-5741 could go to West Farms? Sounds like a good thing considering that KB and/or GH do not need anymore artics! As for those NovaBus RTS-06s and TMC RTS-06s, I would place them throughout Brooklyn and Queens since the Bronx is getting way to much from this. Then, when the 2004 Orion 07.501 Hybrids come (god willing)...that's when we see more movements...hopefully!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
We don't need anymore buses in Brooklyn, Wait a minute, What Buses are we talking about here?
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As for Yukon, another route that belongs there is the S59 (also as a split with CAS).
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Yup lets get rid of the damn RTS already in the BX! BX is getting more new buses!!!!!!!! Personally I feel that the Q44 is goin to WF, and we are takin CS and KB order! 70 artics!!!!!
I also believe if the ta ever builds the proposed maga deopt by jfk it would house the routes currently assigned to jammica Ta and most of QV locals, Jamica busses q111/113 and Greenbus lines routes. I think that the curretnt jammica TA gurage after it would be renovated would house the Q110 and 112, along with eny's Q24 and 56, and qv's q1,q2, q83.
B25#8079
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
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K.Usagi,
West Farms Kid II
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ENY = 187
FLA = 127
FP = 122
UP = 91
Total: 527 Nova RTS Buses
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5125-5144
5170-5204
8754-8806
9488-9534
9606-9654
They also have some buses from 8979-9028 (some are at Quill now)
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Manhattanville Hill Billy
Theives!
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West Farms Kid II
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317 (1)
581-610 (30)
800-989 (190)
And they will have 90-100 buses plus some of the 1987/1988 TMC's so that's about 330. Yukon is now primarily a express bus depot and they could sure use some transfers since some of those local buses look like pure junk [sad].
I don't think FP is in a bad situation at all now as from when they had well over 100 1987/'88 TMC's and 1985/'86 GM's. Well CS might be going down in terms of SPARE buses but have enough to operate their routes. Wouldn't it be something if they had to use the Vikings on the Q44 [lets say] by chance ;-D.
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Damn, my memory must be getting bad. The ECAT buses here in Pensacola, Florida are nowhere near as enjoyable as the NYCT buses. My schooling is going to be for 4 more months, then I have to wait for my orders. Once I have my orders(telling my duty station), I'll be able to come back home to FP. :)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Carlton Ave.: For Repairs: MCI: 4, Storage: RTS: 39, Scrap: RTS: 5, Orions: 1.
MCI: 1908-Accident, 1936-Accident, 2100-rear accident, 2139-Accident, 2161-rear accident.
RTS: 3918, 3986, 3995, 4045, 4116, 4141, 4217, 4300, 4307, 4327, 4349, 4379, 4433, 4445, 4464, 4478-4479, 4483, 4528, 4537, 4605, 4640, 4680, 4703, 4711, 4727, 4794, 4812, 4815, 4827, 4847, 7511, 7515, 7517, 7527, 7529, 7532, 7535, 7555, 8206-oil leak, 8223, 8226, 8273, 8351.
Scrap: 473, 4700, 4730, 4765-Accident, 7514-Accident, 7541-stripped
This is the current roster of buses at Carlton.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
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K.Usagi,
West Farms Kid II
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But I know WF is suppose to have a fleet just as new, if not newer than JG's. There's a lot that's going to happen in WF's. I know I said a while ago that I didn't care about anything in the Bx, but I'm very interested in seeing WF's. Where is at?
K.Usagi,
West Farms Kid II
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
I would suspect that the bus that you are talking about, if it is a pre-1990, is 4853, and definitely not the speedster 4612.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36826-2003Oct2.html
O6 is the Orion VI bus. First introduced to NYCT in 1998 after NJT declined the order. These were buses 6350-6353. Another one was brought in 1999 6354 and in 2000, 6355-6359 were purchased. This is what led NYCT to start investing in Hybrid power, thus the O7 HEV bus order.
O1 refers to the Orion 1 bus.
I hope this helps. The info comes from the cleanairbus website. By the way, do you know why NJT declined the Orion HEV order? After looking at the pics, it would've been very interesting to see this bus in the NJT scheme.
MetroB
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"Air Brake
The system that operates the brakes on a bus. The minimum pressure is usually 90 pounds per square inch (psi).
Block Number
An identification system used in some transportation agencies (WMATA for example) to indicate to street supervisors the schedule of the bus. For example, on a route that has frequent service, the only way for a street supervisor to know if a bus is on time is to look up the bus's block number in a employee timetable (or block list). Without a block number, a supervisor wouldn't know if a bus was on time. The number is a four digit code. First digit is the division, second is the primary route of the bus, and the next two digits are the bus's sequence in the block. As an example, B841 means the bus came from the Bladensburg Division; the primary route is 80 and 41 means the bus is the first bus on the 80 route.
B/O
Bus Operator.
Depot (or Division)
A garage where buses are stored, repaired and maintained. Bus Operators report here for work assignments. They are named for people (e.g. Stengel, Quill) or for the depot's location, whether it be a street or section of town. (e.g. Flatbush, Kingsbridge).
Fishbowl
A nickname for a GM bus built in the 1960s that had a windshield that resembled a fish bowl.
Interlining
Scheduling that requires a bus to change routes at a trip's end. For example, on MSBA, the N50 (Hicksville to Bellmore) goes out on N46 (Bellmore to Hempstead), returns to Bellmore on N46 and then goes to Hicksville on N50.
Interlocking
A device that prevents a bus form moving when the back door is open or the back door signal is illuminated.
Limited Stop Service (or Limited Service)
Buses that stop only at specified locations, with several blocks between stops instead of the usual two.
Run Number
Similar to Block Number, a unique number assigned to a trip and appears in the lower right hand corner of the windshield of a New York City Transit Authority bus.
Split Shift
A work schedule where an em
ployee works the AM rush; off for several hours; then returns to work several more hours in the evening.
Straight Shift
A work schedule where an employee works for less than five hours, gets a meal break, then drives again until the end of the shift."
I hope this helps.
MetroB
Michael
Washington, DC
Q35-#5528-Orion V
B100-#4925-TMCCNG
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Is your watch synchronized with the agency's "official" time?
[...also there is a 502pm,525,542,and then a 545 but most of the time the 542 ever shows(can anybody tell why maybe)....]
Have you tried asking bus operators on other trips or complaining to CDTA headquarters?
[...and its confusing because its goes to 3 different treminals so sometimes u will get on the wrong bus.]
First, check the destination sign. Second (especially if sign indicates the other direction), ask the driver or another passenger.
BIG AL
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PS: STOP THIS!
MetroB
How many runs does a usual b/o do in one day?
It varies and stop torturing us with these UNUSUAL Q's! :-\
Ray
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BIG AL
From what I understand, some of the 1996 Novas have had their signs moved up to the top of the window for people sitting in those seats to have better visibility while riding, since the lower windows made it more difficult for seated passengers to look out the right side window...I found that to be the case as well as I am riding the bus, so an upper side sign is a welcome amenity...and besides, it gives those Novas an appearance similar to the Suburban Nvas, #9250-9349.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #8782, #9201, #9207, #9211, #9221 and #9223
Are there anymore?
Also, thanks to "ENY Nova 5205", the 1994 TMC RTS-06 buses have there side destinaton signs up BUT I do remember seeing buses #8671-8703 (especially on the Q24 when it went to 171st St and Q56) with there side destination signs down. Also, buses #8632 and #8633 when they were with the OLD 100th St depot as well.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
I can tell you about some of Command's GMC new-looks. Up until Command rec'd their first RTS... all of their older buses were numerbered in the 2XX series. The backone of the fleet were the GMC (deck-and-a-halfs) which I believe were H8H-649 (high 200 series) and the 5308 new-looks. Their newer transits were a bunch of T6H-5308A (approx #240-269???). There was a somewhat mixed bag of older GMC new-looks too in the lower 200 series. I remember many of them being T6H-5306A and some of them had high-backed seats with the rear exit door being sealed.
Wayne
111-Transit bus
CC/CD/DD/DC had to do with the length and width of the bus (Not sure whether the first was length or width...but one of the "C's" meant 96", other meant 102"...and then the "other "C" meant 35 foot, while the other "D" meant 40-foot. If I had a serial list here I could decipher it more accurately.
The "C" after the dash (following 111CC-) denoted Cummins engine, and the number after that designated the actual type. If it was a "D" after the dash, it was a Detroit Diesel engine. (Again, sorry no list to pick out examples, but D5 and D05 were the 6V71 -- D6 and D06 were the 8V71.) And then that "-1" at the end of the model designated air conditioning.
I don't remember, as I haven't looked in the book lately, but I think the Flxible company history book that came out early 2002 did have the complete deciphering of the pre-1973 model designations.
I knew someone here would know the answer:-).
Wayne
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Wayne
IIRC - here's how Command ended up with Pioneer's buses (and routes):
* Pioneer drivers/mechanics went on strike.
* Pioneer management threatened to go out of business if the
drivers/mechanics did not settle.
* Drivers/mechanics would not back down.
* Pioneer had a lock out - effectively shutting down their express
bus operation.
* Pioneer had something to do with moving their express bus operation
over to Command and this included part of their fleet and
routes.
In essence, it's my perception that what Pioneer did could be interpreted as union busting.
BTW - I don't believe that Command existed as any sizable company prior to the strike at Pioneer.
One last thought - for quite some time after Command took over, a small number of elderly Fishbowls painted up for Pioneer were sitting on Command property - apparently to be used as reserve fleet or for canabalization.
I remember the firm being retained by the construction company sometime after Sept 1978. I left the firm in June 1984. I remember Pioneer being next to the construction company when we started as accountants and they were gone by the time I left.
The takeover was probably early 80's rather than the late 70's. IIRC the property was taken over by a school bus operator. Can't remember the name.
According to production lists at www.omot.org, Pioneer purchased 20 T6H-5308A's as new coaches. The first batch was serial # 0058 - #0072. They carried fleet # 7401 - # 7415. The second batch was seral # 0213 - # 0217 and carried fleet # 7416 - # 7420.
According to production lists at Bus lists on the Web, Pioneer ordered 17 PD4905A's, serial numbers # 1993 - # 2009. They carried fleet # 7431 - #7447.
I could not find any other listings for the "Buffalo Buses" for Pioneer Bus so I have to assume any others were purchased as used buses from other companies.
I also could not find any listings for T6H 5306 (or 5306A's) nor any T8H-5308 (or 5308A's).
Don't know if this clears up or clouds up the issue.
Wayne
Click here on Graig Barnes's Western Transit website.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-F.
Pierce Transit in Tacoma, Wa mounts their 3com Opticom Traffic signal priority system behind a little eyelet window cut into the front of the bus by the destination sign.
Also, NYCT insists on Passenger Operated Safety Exit Doors, unlike many other systems. Quick quiz: until a few months ago, NYCT had one bus in service without a Passenger Operated Safety Exit Door. Which bus was it and where did it run?
Here's the door in question:
Wayne
JD
Mark
As for me, I lived through the Fishbowl/Flxible, RTS, and Volvo eras at SEPTA, with the Neoplans coming up. It's sad to see the buses you rode and loved coming to their end, but progress must be made. I was sad to see the Fishbowls/Flxibles go, but the Neoplans stole my heart.[I wasn't crazy about the RTS. Maybe if they were more like the NYCTA's fleet, I would have more feeling for them]. Now that they're on the way out, it will take time for the New Flyers to make me feel warm and fuzzy.
The buses I will really be sad to see go out are the Flixible Metros. They were one of the best-looking buses ever made, stylish and functional at the same time. They symbolized the 80's and 90's.
As you mentioned warming up to the New Flyers, I find myself warming up to the NABIs a little bit, since I've been riding them so much around here. I'm still saddened a little bit by the fact that the 105, formerly almost exclusively a Neo line, is now running NABIs (back when they were new, I was hoping that this would happen, but of course it didn't until the NABIs were an old thing).
Heh, I grew up with Flxible Metros too in WMATA's fleet. I can't say I've ridden every type of flxible they have - I haven't ridden the 35ft buses and I don't know if I ever rode a 96inch Flx, but I've ridden D's, E's, and various B's. I can't imagine WMATA without Flxibles...it would be so wierd. I can't say that I've always liked the Flxibles very much, but every time I ride one I appreciate it a little bit more. They really have a very stylish interior if you think about it. I haven't ridden Flxibles from any other TA except a shuttle to Harper's Ferry, but from my experiences, they are very nice buses.
It's funny, when you are young and see a new vehicle (like me) all i wanted to do was to get to know the new bus...it just seems that the old ones will be around forever. It almost seems that way today, most of my childhood buses haven't been completely phased out (the exception is Ride-On's TMC City Cruisers, and I guess the 8000 series Neoplans).
My liking of the Flxibles started with my first sighting in NYC back in the 60's, then the arrival of the 870's [I made a special trip from Wash. DC to NYC just to ride them back in 1980.], and their evolution to the Metro. In fact, one of the reasons [other than better and cheaper housing and lower taxes] I moved to New Jersey in 1990 was so I can ride the Flxible Metro every day.
Too bad you weren't around when WMATA had the AM Generals around. They were nice buses until they hit 10 years old, then they went straight to hell. At least the Flxible Metros came in and displaced them and served the area proud.
-F.
-F.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-F.
Blah. Does NJT have a lot of problems with those 8.3s? Down here in Miami, Miami-Dade Transit's 1993 Flxibles originally came with the Cummins-C(rap) 8.3, they had a habit of overheating when the temperature got above 85 degrees, which only happens like 350 days out of the year. :) I think most, if not all of the 9300s have been retrofitted with different engines now.
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-F.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Ran like a striped-ass ape, top speed about 85 MPH. Then they cut it down, spoiled all our fun, and it was the biggest dog in the fleet, could hardly move out of a bus stop.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-F.
-F.
Also for those who remember, the Volvos had TWO side destination signs, behind the front door, and in front of the rear door.
Another SEPTA oddity as far as I know...the 40ft Neoplans paired a 6v92TA with a ZF tranny...I don't know of many TA's (if any) with Neos like that.
Go Neo 3000 and 3103, the quickest Neo SEPTA has (at least at Midvale).
I also spotted an Orion V there which features an old-style emergency kit; it is a metal box with the old "GILLIG BROS." logo. Strange!
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-F.
Boston has it's left-side door requirement for busses that will operate into the Harvard busway. Now Neoplan is catching all hell for selling them a bus that was supposed to have the left door, but they 'forgot'.
Dayton just recieved their Skoda ETIs with rear doors, not center doors, these doors are nearly to the bumper.
Seattle's Gillig Trolleys are actually running on the motors of their AM General forebearers.
Really the only two 'normal' ETB systems would be SF Muni's and SEPTA's, and at that SEPTA's is going down the drain, despite the fact that it may well cost them more to eliminate the ETBs than to just keep them.
Also, so far there has never been, AFAIK, an ETB Articulated bus without center doors. In this respect MBTA's new Neoplan Low-floor DuoModes may be a first, an oddity that actually conforms to most TA's specs for an Artic, yet breaks from the previous busses of the same type.
Interlock on the front door and emergency door
White rubber for the front and rear doors
4 interlock by-pass switches
Oil pressure and temperature guages on the dash, uncommon for transits
There is almost 5 pages of "options" for DCtransit in the FVR's. It was funny to piss off the regular driver on the route that went by my house when I was young. The driver never wanted to stop at my street so I would just pull up the emergency door handle and the bus would come to a screeching halt. The interlock was engaged and I would just go out the rear door. After about 10 times of doing this, the driver finally realized that there was a bus stop on my street and there wasnt a problem again. The RTA drivers hated the DCTransit buses as they had the front door interlock and none of our fleet had that. They also didnt like what NIMCO did to them before they arrived here. They were repainted only in the cab area with yellow. Looked like someone thru a bucket of paint in there and then cleaned it off the windshields with a razor blade. If I remember correctly....... Steve, please help me on this.... I think they arrived here with the original interiors but RTA repainted the seats to dark blue. I know they still had there side and destinations signs in them as I borrowed them when they first went on the road. After RTA bastardized the interiors..... light green floors, orange seat frames, blue seats, black dash area, yellow cab area.. the buses looked like a vomitorium. I am glad I saved 6342. The other 5 5304's went to various companies, mostly in the Tiajuana area.
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MetroB
If anyone who works at the East New York Bus Depot or any NYCT Brooklyn bus drivers that post on bustalk happen to know about this & if it is true, please post anything you might have.
Also, will the S78 come back to Yukon in January as well.
X1,4,5,6,7,8,15,31 all start at Arthur Kill and Richmond - down the street from Yukon and right at the Annex site.
X2,3,9 all start in New Dorp - closer to Yukon than CAS.
X10/11,12,42,13,14,18,20 are closer to CAS than Yukon, either by terminus or locale.
X17,19,22. These are south shore routes - closer to Yukon. Why would any of these be considered in going to CAS is crazy - the time deadheading down to the start of the route?? Same if the X31 were to go to CAS - crazy. I say leave the expresses alone for now.
For locals, even though the S44 ends right at Yukon's door, with spacing requirement and proximity to the ferry, CAS is ok to keep the S44. The S59 ends right down the block from CAS - so keep it there - even though it passes by Yukon (and does make Rush hour Tottenville runs.) The S74 I say leave it also for now. The mid point of the short trippers - S74 Richmond Ave ends at the Arthur Kill annex, but the ferry is closer to CAS then to have the buses deadhead down to Tottenville, either by roads or the Richmond Parkway.
When the 3rd Depot opens, Here is what I think should be where:
Yukon:
X1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,15
S44,61,79
Charleston:
S46,55,56,74,78
X17,19,22,23,24(if takeover of Atlantic Express)
Castleton:
S40,42,48,51,52,53,54,57,60,52,66,67,76
X10,11,12,13,14,18,20,30,42
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Have fun defending your position on that...
That's all....
Things have been taking out of context a bit...
I can deal very easily with someone who asks very valid questions. I was young once, and had a lot of questions too.
But if there's one thing I cannot stand is a f!!!ing know-it-all telling someone asking questions to shut up. If you can't say something decent, then why don't you SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!
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If you do NOT care for him, just IGNORE him. I will read his posts, and if I feel I can answer one of his questions, I will GLADLY do so. And if the question gets repeated, then I ignore it.
But to come in here and tell people to "shut the hell up", who's the problem???
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But I try to differentiate with those newbees (young or old) who just plain don't know that "WE" have already talked about it a number of times "OR" that this or another site has everything that you want to know about it. I think part of our role here should be to teach those newbees.
Question: How long ago were YOU one of those newbees asking those dumb questions ?
It appears that many posters here are annoyed by your constant posting of questions. It seems that most of those posters aren't taking advantage of the resources these message boards offer. One word for it: Killfile.
Most of your questions or demands rather can be easily taken care of if you simply do it yourself or take the time to search the website that David Pirmann put together nicely for us. Unfortunately, people's reactions to your threads are entirely different issue. It seems some people like to blurt out insults. Unfortunately, it seems that it is an extreme that has been taken too far around these boards. The old sayng goes, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. I fail to understand why so many people who are frustrated at you must air their rants at the issue. If they seriously feel any animosity towards you, it would be best for them to refrain from responding and ignoring/killfiling you, but alas, they hold back.
I don't know if you'll reply to this or anyone else. My reply will probably fall into the archives never to be read again.
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I wait for 10 minutes and then I see the 2 is PACKED like rush hour but I still manage to find some standing room and I take it to Atlantic to head home on the Q shuttle bus. There was a HUGE crowd at Pacific St and I was wondering where all the buses were and it was just bad :-\. I get on 9480 and the bus was quickly filled up then we depart and to my surprise I see a O7 and a NF operating on the shuttle as well so I wanted to take a 2nd round trip to hopefully get one or the other. I arrive at PP and I see a line of buses on Ocean Av and I think the buses should of departed faster than they were and to my shock I saw brand new 7639 so I walk and I hop on it after letting 8017 go I take it to Atlantic and I see 4677 broke down at State St on Flatbush Av before arriving and on the return I get on 4644 and thta concludes the bus portions. A very busy operation indeed, more buses used than I thought. I take the Q to Newkirk then I catch the B8 and the end of my trip.
The buses I saw on the A:
KB: 8821,8854,9699
GH: 5345,5370,8889
100: 5572
MV: 5053,5128,5138,5142,8776,9534
MJQ: 8989,9186,9222
126: 8239,8464,8491
MCH: 6012,6028,6033
WF: 402,9119
The buses I saw on the Q:
ENY: 4965,5242,8129,8347,8925
UP: 4677,9312,9317,9319,9321,9335,9337
FB: 4657,5112,8023,8329,8413,8448,9382,9432
FP: 4715,5062,5063,8017,8539,9480
JG: 905,4644,4648,4664,7603,7639,8453
126: 8236,8353,8475
R68 2770 (Q)
RTS 9317 Q SHUTTLE
R62 1411 (3)
R44 5366 (A)
NF Artic 5572 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9699 A SHUTTLE
R44 5290 (A)
RTS 9480 Q SHUTTLE
Orion VII 7639 Q SHUTTLE
RTS 4644 Q SHUTTLE
R68 2861 (Q)
NF 889 B8
On the A train shuttle:
GH: #5305
KB: #8844
126: 8255
WF: 8180
MCH: 223, 225, 6030
100: 5575
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
WF:8036
MJQ:8620
MCH:2XX
100:55XX,55XX
GH:53XX
K.Usagi
West Farms Kid II
Today, traffic was unusually heavy on eastbound Horace Harding, so I got off the Q74 bus at 148th Street and walked to Kissena Blvd. Needless to say, the bus was eating my dust, along with all the other cars I passed.
Also anouther thing. I saw an M4 going up 6 Ave!!! Forgot what # it was but it was one of the 1999 Nova RTS's in the 5100 Series and this was about a few minutes to 4 when I saw it
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
To cool the A/C!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
That Triboro incident, though, was almost certainly unintentional!
B41, B44, & B46
Reason: Those Lines are packed as hell!!! About 8 Buses roll together during rush hour right behin each other as a pack, especially the B44!
As for Queens, I only know about the Q44 and it's crowding, they should get Artics.
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David
- West 231st Street between Bailey Avenue and Riverdale Avenue (Bx1)
- Heath Avenue between Fort Independence Street and Albany Crescent (Bx1)
- East 165th Street between Webster Avenue and Grand Concourse (Bx2)
- Westchester Avenue, under elevated structures (Bx4)
- Story Avenue between Bronx River Avenue and White Plains Road (Bx5)
- West 207th Street between the Harlem River and Broadway (Bx12)
- Private roadways in Bay Plaza (Bx12)
- White Plains Road, under elevated structures (Bx39)
- Tremont Avenue between Boston Road and Webster Avenue (Bx40/42)
- Burnside Avenue between Valentine Avenue and Sedgwick Avenue (Bx40/42)
- 79th Street Transverse (M79)
- 86th Street Transverse (M86)
These streets are similar in width to, or narrower than, Church Avenue.
BTW, it WOULD be able to run on the B35 (what street(s) makes it too narrow? I've been through the entire line and I didn't see any restrictions) or probably anywhere for that matter.
Do you mean that the Depot is not set up to handle Articulated busses (such as not having the proper lifts and such)? This is the case here, is it the case up in NY?
MetroB
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For Queens, I say the Q27 [the turn on Holly Av and a few other spots would have to be looked at but it should be able to do the job]. Also the Q4, Q5, Q43, Q44 & Q46 would be good routes to run Artics on.
Also, they can keep those damn 8800's/9600's. We don't want them in Brooklyn.
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UP is very lucky to even get nice coming from FP. How are they treating 9176-9185? Are they still in good shape?
Well they did just get a paint job and they're running good.
BTW, your right on 5205-5249 since they were there for about 1 year-a year and a half.
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Any thoughts about putting artics on express routes to increase capacity and revenue?
LIB:
N23-usually on time(except when the schools here in Port Washington are letting out), sometimes early, especially if Benny is driving.
N20/21-Too many buses to tell
N27-Have heard nothing but bad things
N40/41-Experienced only good things, but I could be wrong
N70/71/71-Depends on when you travel. Usually gets stuck in Hempstead TPKE traffic
N6- Too many buses to tell.
Can't say about the rest.
To be fair, traffic conditions on Northern Boulevard can often wreak havoc with those routes.
Thank you for your time and responses.
Larry, RedbirdR33
Are any of you getting e-mails from an outfit called clickvolt.com?
I've been getting 10 or more a week, all from them, with varied pitches.
I think it's due to "bots" seaching the nycsubway.org talks for e-mail addresses.
I've pulled my e-mail addresses from my postings from here on.
BIG AL
More later.
Service ran Monday through Friday from 645AM to 930PM and on Saturdays from 1030AM to 5PM. There was no Sunday service. There was only one bus on the route and since it took about 25 minutes to go from one end to the other the service operated on a one hour headway, the longest of any Bronx bus route in daytime. Even longer than the Bx 32 St Ann's Avenue Line.
The southern terminal was on Pelham Parkway South right in front of the Globe Theatre. Northbound buses then ran via White Plains Road, Thwaites Place, Bronx Park East,Allerton Avenue, Boston Road to McOwen Avenue on the other side of the Eastchester Bridge. The bus discharged on McOwen Avenue and then operated light via McOwen Avenue,Hollers Avenue and Ropes Avenue back to Boston Road right next to IHOP. (International House of Pancakes). The return route was the same to Bronx Park East then via Pelham Parkway North , Boston Road and Pelham Parkway South.
The route was discontinued at some time in the early 1980s.
It was an intersting part of Bronx history.
Best Wishes, Larry, RedbirdR33
I never knew there was another Bronx route that termintated in that area. I guess I never paid attention. But I do remember the BX 13 used to be the route that is now the BX 22.
The BX 13 used to terminate at White Plains Rd and Pelham Parkway under the # 2 train. At some point it became the BX 22. I remember there used to be a very old rusted sign at the depot. It was round and the only words you could read it on it was "BUS STOP" but it looked like there was more on the sign at one point.
There was also an old plexi glass bus shelter that was rounded on top and looked like a part of a greenhouse.
As for the terminating point of the BX 7, the Korvette's has changed hands a few times. It's what you call a bad luck spot. Caldor's moved in, and went belly up. then KMart came in but they closed that store to cut their losses since they filed for Chapter 11. That was a few years ago and the shopping center is STILL empty and abandoned. To make matters worse, across the street is the entrance to a Pergament that has also been abandoned since they went out of business.
I also have a picture somewhere in one of my bronx history books that shows what the old bridge in that area looked like. Boston Road at that point had a drawbridge. But then I guess sometime in the 60's or 70's they built a new causeway-like bridge that was elevated so that there was no longer a need to open anymore bridges.
Just a little bit more of history.
The old Bx13 was renumbered to Bx22 during the time I refer to as "Bronx Musical Bus Route" when one day several Bronx route changes were made at once which included route changes, route number changes, new service, eliminated service and routes being transferred to different depots. I forget when exactly the Bx22 was extended to Fordham/Valentine & 205th-Goulden Ave - it may have been at the same time.
I remember the old bus shelters you mentioned. There were very few of them for some reason.
Wayne
Back then it was such a big deal that NYC was getting these new busses that looked like something out of the future.
I remember my first ride on them. I was 10 years aold and already a bus fan. My family and I took a 12 to go to Fordham Road and a 13 to go back. We caught Grummans both times and boy was I ecstatic. Just like a 10 year old. :-)
Wayne
When I rode it, the Grummans had just started coming in. There were still plenty of Fishbowls on the routes.
I also remember the big snafu with the Grummans. They got taken off the streets and the RTS started appearing.
I was so into it that I even wrote a paper in my 5th grade English class about the Grumman situation. I was only 10 for crying out loud, but I was that much involved in the newspaper stories. Looking back, I wondered what my English teacher was thinking getting a paper like that from a kid. Probably that a parent or older sibling helped me with it, right?
If I tell you that my friend who was also 10 at the time and I would have debates over which bus was better looking: the Grumman or the RTS. And boy oh boy, did he let me have it when the Grummans were ordered off the streets. :-)
Wayne
The Fishbowls were on their last leg for a while and now they were brought back from the dead. It was not fun hitting those bumps on Fordham Road and Pelham Parkway. The whole bus would shake rattle and role like a paint can shaker. :-)
By the time I got to high school in 1984, the 12 was still half RTS and hald Fishbowl. The funny thing I remember was that on the cold or snowy days, it always looked like the route was almost completely Fishbowl. I figured maybe the RTS wouldn't do too well in the bad weather. And I also remember that in the 70's they were still putting chains on the back tires of the Fishbowls.
There were two major system-wide renumberings of The Bronx Bus System.
The first took place on July 1, 1974 in preparation for the issuance of the first MTA Bronx Bus Map. It eliminated the use of letter suffixes in the route designations,i.e Bx12A,Bx12B, etc. The lettered route were either absorbed into the mother route or assigned unused route numbers.
Examples: Bx12A and Bx12B became simply Bx12.
Bx 5A became Bx54 and so on.
The second major renumbering took place February 18,1984 and had much less rhyme or reason. The Bx 4 Jerome-Bainbridge became the Bx34. The Bx42 Westchester Av became the Bx 4 and the old Bx34 163 Street Crosstown became the Bx 6. There was no route change involved so all that these redesignations did was to confuse the public.
Some route were combined such as the Bx 31 Southern Blvd with the Bx 30 149 Street Crosstown and this route was then known as the Bx 19 .
The designation Bx19 was first used by the 207 Street Crosstown and after 1974 by the Baychester Avenue bus.
If there is interest I can print the whole list but it might take me a day or two.
Best Wishes, Larry, RedbirdR33
I do remember that from time to time a BX 5 lettered bus would make its way westbound on Pelham Parkway. It wouldn't stop but it would turn off of Williamsbridge Road. Maybe it was a shortcut to get back to a depot or a garage....
Those were some rough days as it was that deferred maint. era and COL buses looked really bad compared to other depots - although WF wasn't much better.
Wayne
Best Wishes, Larry, RedbirdR33
There was an extension of the Bx5 from Pelham Bay Park along Pelham Parkway to Williamsbridge Road. I believe it was done to serve Jacobi Hospital. It only ran from about 12 noon to 6PM and it began sometime in the middle 70's.
Best Wishes, Larry, RedbirdR33
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This is bus 9258 On the Q31 run at 169th Street an Hillside Avenue.
And here's the inside of Bus 9258,(Note The Cushion Seats have been Replaced with Plactic ones)
Makes me wonder if they are replacing all cushion seats on the RTS Series Buses?
David
Robert
David
Robert
The higher side of the seat handle should be towards the isle, not the windows.
Guess someone doesn't know their right from left.
robert
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Month of October 2003
Friday, October 10, 2003
Committee(s) on Transportation
Time: 10:00 AM
Location: Council Chambers - City Hall
Chairperson(s): John Liu
Oversight - The Potential Transfer of New York City's Private Bus Lines to MTA New York City Transit.
1. N23 doesn't go down middle neck road, it stays on PW BLVD.
2. That farmingdale shuttle, the route is WAY off on the map.
3. A couple of mistakes on the HTC map
Ah, screw it, take a look for yourself.
They also released it too early, cuz it doesn't have the N23 Harbor Rd route.
Yeah, I mentioned this a few months back bvut no reponses. MTA Long Island Orion 05.501 CNG #355 has the destination sign simliar to the Orion 05.501 600 series (#600-656). Why is that?
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF LONG ISLAND!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Peace,
ANDEE
B46#9393
-The bus arrived at the bus stop Dad was at about 30 minutes late.
-The bus stopped about 1/4 mile down the route...so that the driver could finish his cigarette
-There were apple trees nearby, so after he finished his sigarette, he grabbed a bag snd started picking apples!
I'm 100% confident if a similar situation happened in any big city in the world, he'd be looking for a new line of work before the sun went down!
Supervisor: Where'd you lose your time?
Driver: Smokin' a cigarette and picking apples.
Anne Robinson: You are the weakest link. Goodbye!
Down in Mexico, the drivers think nothing of stopping the bus and going otuside to piss on the wheel.
-The difference between the A and H routes
-The difference between the Weekend G and GG routes
-The difference between the Weekend A and L
-The point of the LX route (it doesn't really appear to be much of an express version of the L - it actually looks more roundabout than the L - plus, wasn't there an AX at one time that failed miserably?)
It seems that the above route pairs are literally duplicates. The only thing I could think of is that the route pairings run in opposite directions ... since the routes are essentially loops, I'm guessing that, for example, the A runs "clockwise" while the H runs "counterclockwise".
Thanks.
I went to graduate school at Rutgers in 1984 and 1985. At that time, they were using rally bad old buses to shuttle among the campuses. Unfortunately, in 1984 I lived and studied up in the converted army base in Piscataway, because that's where the City Planning school was at the time. It took forever to get to the main campus Downtown, and there were no good connections to places where you could go to a supermarket to buy food (ie. not in New Brunswick at that time -- you had to go to the next town up). When school was not in session, the buses stopped running, but I still had to live there. I was pretty much trapped in this university apartment, where only a few people were around. It was a hellish place to be without a car, almost as if the City Planning school ways saying "don't let this happen to you."
The next year, I stayed in a coverted YMCA right downtown, and was much, much happier, even though I had to take the bus to get to class. The Northeast Corridor line to New York is right there. And later on, what is now the Bloustein School of Public Policy got a new building, also right in downtown New Brunswick. Perhaps the buses are better as well.
Should this route be discontinued?
(Since the BX15 RUNS THE SAME EXACT ROUTE BETWEEN 3AV-149 ST AND
FORDHAM PLAZA)
Why the depot switch?
Do u think it was necessary to run more BX41 service (including the
new overnight service)?
Do these routes make any since of running?
Few examples M18,S60,M30,BX20
I'd vote for the following:
Q9A
Q19
Q21 (combine with Q53)
Q22A
Q34 (combine with Q14)
Q42
Q67 (restructure with Q18, Q39)
Q75
Q79
Q103
QM3 (combine with X51)
QM16
QM17
QM22
QM23
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BIG AL
http://www.drivecam.com/drivecam-videos.html
DriveCam is a company that sells a video recorder for fleet vehicles. Watch the one where the steering goes out on the mini-bus!! And be sure to watch the event at both angles!
You have to agree to install the viewer, and even on my broadband connection it takes a couple seconds to load so be patient. It's worth the wait--you'll get a good laugh out of this one.
Mike
I've been laughing over that video all night. It's hillarious.
Mike
Also funny, the driver screamed but not a peep out of the one pax.
Mike
I looked closely at the video, and the back of the shuttle bus visible in the forward view reads, "CVG Employee Shuttle". That would place this accident at the Cincinnati airport, which is actually in northern Kentucky.
washingtonpost.com
Amtrak to Alter Acela Express Schedule
Improving On-Time Performance Means a Cut in Some Northeast Corridor Service
By Brad Foss
Associated Press
Monday, October 6, 2003; Page A07
WILMINGTON, Del., Oct. 5 -- With its fastest and most expensive trains in the Northeast late nearly 30 percent of the time, Amtrak will make significant changes to its Acela Express service later this month in an effort to boost reliability and attract more high-paying business travelers.
Several stops between Boston and Washington, including New Carrollton, Md., will be curtailed or eliminated, weekend service will be halved to make more time for train maintenance and schedules will be revised to more accurately reflect actual trip times.
The changes take effect Oct. 27 and will appear in new schedules to be made public Thursday.
The overhaul is intended to give Acela "a little more room to breathe" as Amtrak strives to improve its disappointing on-time performance, said Walt Peters, the passenger rail's chief scheduler.
Acela's sleek high-speed trains were introduced to the region about four years ago with high expectations that, in hindsight, were "a little too optimistic," Peters said in an interview at Amtrak's national operations center in Wilmington. "I think we have released the pressure valve with these changes."
Amtrak's goal is to get Acela's on-time performance above 90 percent, an achievement Peters and other managers believe will result in greater customer satisfaction and a $1.3 million-a-year increase in revenue.
The overhaul comes as Amtrak wrangles with the federal government over a proposed $1 billion in subsidies for 2004 and as unionized Amtrak workers threaten to walk off the job because of underfunding of the railroad. A planned walkout by Amtrak workers last week was delayed until Oct. 20, the date set for a hearing on the railroad's motion for a preliminary injunction.
While schedule changes will affect regular Amtrak service as far north as Vermont and as far south as North Carolina, the biggest adjustments by far were made to the Acela service in the busy Northeast corridor, where 35,000 passengers travel daily and equipment problems are rampant.
Still, Amtrak ridership is up about 10 percent nationwide since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a spokesman said. Some travelers have shied away from airlines because of the extra wait times and uncertainty stemming from airport security screening.
To attract more business travelers to its premium Acela service, one roundtrip between New York and Washington will be added on weekdays, bringing the total to 13.
However, Amtrak will eliminate 10 Acela trips between New York and Washington on weekends. This will give crews more time for maintenance and hopefully reduce the number of mechanical problems during the week, Amtrak said. The canceled trains will be replaced with Metroliner service, which is slower and less expensive.
To speed up trip times a few minutes each way during the week, the New Carrollton, Md., stop will be eliminated on all Acela trains and on most Metroliner trains. Acela trains will also bypass Metropark, N.J., and Baltimore-Washington International Airport on an alternating basis.
"That doesn't mean we've walked away from BWI and Metropark," Peters said, adding that, with Metroliner and regional service included, Amtrak serves those locations "at least once an hour."
Peters said tweaking the Washington-New York schedule is vital to improving the punctuality of Boston-bound trains, as well. Northbound Acela trains that arrive a few minutes late in New York can be made to wait much longer than that as dispatchers give the right of way to commuter trains serving New Jersey and New York.
To prevent this from happening on southbound trains, Amtrak will eliminate the New Haven, Conn., stop in four of 11 daily roundtrips Acela makes between Boston and New York.
Even after reducing the number of Acela stops, the new Amtrak schedule will list New York-Washington trips as 6 minutes longer, at 2 hours and 47 minutes. Washington-New York trips will appear on the timetable as 3 minutes longer, at 2 hours and 48 minutes.
Listed trip times between New York and Boston will not change.
© 2003 The Washington Post Company
This young guy, a son of a former bus driver, was very interested in the transit world. HE was constantly rediculed for it, but all the time he would look out for buses that ran on the one bus route through the car congested town. One day, he spotted some people from his school vandalizing a bus that was parked (scratchiti, marker, etc) and immediately tried to get them to stop. Unfortunately, they turned on him, and just as they were about to pulverize him, out from the shadows comes a person with a camera, who just happened to be taking a picture of the bus (it was one of the older buses in the fleet, and would be retired very soon). With knowledge of the cameras the other boys hurried away, leaving the young guy alone iwth the transit fan. He and the transit fan become friends, and the young guy (let's call him Jack) was given information of a message board where transit enthusiasts came together to discuss issues in public transit. Jack becomes somewhat popular since he had inside connections to the head of the depot (the manager?) since the "manager" was his dad's best friend (Jack's dad passed away a while ago, btw).
The first "episode" was mainly about the proposed discontinuation of a route that Jack's father used to drive all the time, and it was saved by the ideas of one transit enthusiast.
Well, what do you guys think? Do you think it should be some sort of a comdedy, drama, etc? (horror, lol). How can we make transit interesting to the people who drive? Oh, and also, where should it take place? It needs to be a suburb of a transit rich city...that is, rich in bus and trains...like in variety and system infrastructure...I had the suburbs of philly in my mind, but there isn't that much bus diversity. NY barely has any decent bus diversity, but great train diversity, but I dunno... Jack would also go on fan trips. I also need to make up names too...but what do you think?
RTS never bounced and never leaned, you knew you were riding in a tank. They are slow and heavy, the trademark of a solid bus. They just look tough. Well, the older ones anyway.
Some of the older New Flyers are rock solid too. The new ones, ugh. All of the Flyers bought during 200 and after (in Houston) have started to make this sound every time they go over a bump. It sounds like bowling pins being knocked down. When new, they didn't do this. Hopefully, all 486 of those buses collapse and we get something else.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Peace,
Kevin
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Uh, gee, maybe they have room to sit cuz most people are going towards Jamaica in the evening, however, there are still enough people to justify running a lot of buses to HTC. And, from what I've seen at HTC, LIB can not pysically fit anymore buses in on the N6
Uh, Gee, its because they run more buses more often to Hempstead. In fact about 6 more on a weekdaily basis. And yes, on Evenings they CAN fit more buses on the N6. At the time I mentioned they were running every 20 minutes TO JAMAICA and every 10 minutes (then 15 mins about a half hour later)to HEMPSTEAD.
Speaking of frequency, it makes you wonder if they should have kept some of the Gilligs and the already scrapped diesel O5's and have them do work exclusively for the rush hour. That would of really hepled for all of the Queens-Nassau routes in particular. Its very silly that the N6 runs every 20 minutes after 7pm heading back to Queens when the buses are packed from front to back (I know this from expeerience). Also cutting reverse LTD service was a BAD move too.
Then again Suffolk county bus service is worse, very little Saturday service and NO BUSES RUN ON SUNDAYS.
Thats exactly my point
Also cutting reverse LTD service was a BAD move too.
It wasn't as bad as I expected though. During the evening rush they run frequent enough to move along pretty good.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Twenty new articulated buses are being purchased by Phoenix Transit to replace its aging fleet of 1985 models, many of which have been driven more than a million miles.
The transit company promises that the new 55-seat buses, which bend in the middle to get around corners, will have air conditioners that actually keep passengers cool, unlike the current problematic systems.
The new buses also will have lower floors, better wheelchair access and emit less pollutants, said Reed Caldwell, deputy public-transit director for Phoenix.
The buses are rated as "clean diesel" vehicles that include particulate traps to eliminate the black cloud that trails behind today's buses, and will operate on ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel that is being purchased and shipped specially from California, Caldwell said.
In 2006, all the diesel fuel arriving in the Valley will become ultra-low sulfur under mandate by the federal Environmental Protection Agency, he added, but Phoenix Transit is getting it ahead of the game.
The buses' particulate traps work in a similar manner to catalytic converters on automobiles, he said, though they have to be cleaned out every six months.
The 60-foot buses will include floors that are 14 inches above the pavement and 18 inches lower than today's buses, Caldwell said, which will become the standard for Phoenix Transit.
"We are headed for a low-floor fleet," he said.
One benefit of the lower floor is that it allows easier wheelchair access using a ramp instead of a powered lift. The access will be through the center set of doors.
The buses will be built by the New Flyer company, which will start them in a factory in Winnipeg, Canada, then finish them in another plant in Crookston, Minn.
Copyright 2003 Arizona Republic
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Don't know much about the New Flyer LF60
How well do the New Flyer LF60 operate?
B1-#4756-TMCRTS
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Also probably cost extra to install and maintain.
When was that???!!! The crowd bars I'm thinking of would actually swing into place once the front door closed and then reverse itself when the doors opened. Because of it's position with the doors open the B/O had to move it to get in/out of his/her seat. I've never seen anything like this on a NYCTA bus and I lived in NYC from birth til 1997 (28 years).
I do remember the early GMC RTS had the sign that would blink (and sometimes a beeping sound), but never any type of physical barrier to prevent passengers from moving forward of the white line.
I agree with you. I remember seeing them on the older TNJ/PSCT GM New-looks, but I'm pretty certain that the TA/OA new-looks did not have these bars. NYCTA old-look and Mack buses... Those I can't speak on as they're before my time. Perhaps NYCTA may have installed them on a few fishbowls as a test??? I'm really curious as to where you saw these on NYCTA fishbowls - specifically which series and TA, OA or both.
Wayne
And come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard of that before...
PS/TNJ/NJT was and is primarily a transit operation, but right through to the early years of NJT, the long distance routes (e.g. 319) were carried in Russell's Guide. Most TAs today are also not interstate carriers that must conform to ICC/USDOT regulations, so even some intercity carriers took note of what happened in New Jersey. To this day, they carry tremendous clout with both other operators/TAs and manufacturers - over 30 TAs piggybacked the NJT MCI D-series order. The crowd gate and side emergency door were two such "NJ" ideas that did NOT catch on elsewhere, and to keep purchase and maintenance costs dowm, these items were dropped.
Also, when I was returning from DASH, I saw the SUBTALK DC PARTY BUS, Fairfax Connector #7793, at King Street Metro. For the most part, it is still mechanically functional, but there was a weird quirk up front...a destination that read, big and green with pride, "UT OF SERVIC" with the O and the E cut off by the unusually large text size...isolated quirk, or fleet-wide Luminator technical problem? Who knows...I will on Tuesday when I ask about it!
Keep Ridin' the Busways! (and the subways..)
Tranny = Voith
"Hey Mack them are some fine school buses", "Yea man we should get those, they would look great in THE BUS's colors" , "Hey what the hell are those funny looking things with the word DASH written on them?". "I don't know, I think they are station wagons, odd looking station wagons".
Meanwhile the chimp stands outside the gate thinking"I am sure glad I got out of that outfit, they are some dimwits"
They better hope that they dont have engine problems, like an oil leak, with the Gilligs. They'll be running around the garage like headless chickens trying to find out how to fix it.
Many Thanks go out to Gary & Carlton for showing us around NY. I really enjoyed it. Its soooo fast-paced out here .... but oher than that, it was a great experience
attached is a picture of NYMTA # 7648 on the B61 near queensboro plaza i took last night
Mark
Come back soon...there's more to show a LOT more...
BTW, some pics from these past two days will come as soon as I find the time to post them here...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
That's all well and good as that whole set up takes a long time for the buses to get in and then back out onto Gallows Road since the light to get out of the hospital takes forever and its a tough right turn for the buses to make into there as it is without illegally parked cars. Unfortunately, I don't see that there are any other places that they could move the buses so that they wouldn't have to do this crazy loop through there. They could keep the buses on Gallows Road, but that would only be good for the Fairfax Connector Route 401, but the WMATA routes 1C/F/Z purposely come off of Route 50 and go about a mile down Gallows Road to go to the hospital and double back to Route 50, so if they were booted out of the hospital, they wouldn't be able to service it.
Oh well, maybe this will lead to the parking police to actually walk to the cars to make them move out of the way rather than standing there stiffer than the flagpole they lean on.
October 8, 2003, 10:07 PM EDT
Several local elected officials called on the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and the city Wednesday to quickly settle talks about control of seven private bus lines serving the Bronx and Queens, saying a decision is needed to avoid a threatened service interruption in January.
John Liu, chairman of the City Council's transportation committee, urged Mayor Michael Bloomberg and MTA officials to "tell us what their plans are for making sure that bus service continues without interruption" for hundreds of thousands of commuters.
The city and the MTA have been negotiating a deal in which the transit agency would take over operation of the bus lines, which the city subsidizes at as much as $120 million a year. Those subsidies end Dec. 31 and the bus lines have said they cannot operate without the funds.
"These negotiations can no longer take place under cloak-and-dagger situations where there is absolutely no information being given to the public," Liu (D-Flushing) said at a news conference with Councilman Larry Seabrook (D-Bronx), Speaker Gifford Miller (D-Upper East Side) and Queens Borough President Helen Marshall, who has argued against an MTA takeover in the past.
MTA spokesman Tom Kelly said the City Council was being kept abreast of the negotiations.
"We are in ongoing discussions with the city," he said. "We informed the City Council ... that there are a number of issues that are outstanding."
Jordan Barowitz, a spokesman for Mayor Michael Bloomberg, said, "If the council members have substantive recommendations on how to solve this problem, we are all ears."
Miller said protecting riders' interests should be the top priority.
"New Yorkers depend on these routes to get them to and from work, and if we do not act to protect the riders, our economy will suffer," he said. "We need to get these negotiations concluded. There needs to be some clarity."
The council's transportation committee has scheduled a public hearing on the matter fo Friday.
No CT buses go on the campus. At U of MD, the university is situated between two major roads. UH just sits there.
I think CT has a web page.
Michael
Washington, DC
Mark
CT Transit Hew Haven Division has MCI and NovaBUS Classics, and ElDorado EZ Riders...
CT Transit Stamford Division has NovaBUS Classics and New Flyer D40LFs...
CT Transit Waterbury (?) operates MCI Classics and RTS T70-204s (?)
The other divisions are operated by private companies...
Please feel free to correct me here if I am wrong here...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Also, Hartford Division recently received (1) MCI Commuter Cruisers for some of the longer distance commuter routes and (2) Two hybrid-electric New Flyer 40 foot low-floor buses in a special wrap paint scheme.
The bus ran well, and I sort of missed the Orions & RTSs a little. There was some vandalism to some of the seats from being used on locals, as well as wear to the padded seats after all these years.
What I find funny is when we passed local stops (S51,S52), the people there started getting pissed because the bus passed by without stopping. And the destination signs in the front, side, and rear were working and said X6. Guess people have gotten used to seeing the MCIs as express buses, and anytime they see an RTS or Orion, it is assumed it is a local. Oh well, but I some of the people's faces were priceless.
"It's the MTA's mission," said City Council Speaker Gifford Miller. "This is what they do."
Mayor Bloomberg wants to give control of the lines to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority so the city would save $100 million a year it doles out to subsidize them.
The MTA, which is currently in negotiations with the city, has said it wants to run the buses at no extra cost to them.
The seven companies - New York Bus, Liberty Lines, Command Bus, Green Bus, Jamaica Buses, Triboro Coach and Queens Surface - serve 400,000 daily riders in the outer boroughs.
The companies have threatened to halt service when their contract with the city expires Dec. 31.
"It would be a total disaster for lots of people if service comes to an end," Miller said.
Clemente Lisi
1. Buy a car
2. Move to Brooklyn or Manhattan where there is better bus service
3. Buy a bicycle
4. Head to FootLocker and get a new pair of sneakers.
The days of living 100 miles away from New York City and having good public transport are over.
Well, for some it's personal !
I just hope the Mayor doesn't lock the doors Jan. 1st to force the MTA & Governor to take action.
"1. Buy a car "
An contribute to the already nightmarish scenario which is NYC traffic?
"2. Move to Brooklyn or Manhattan where there is better bus service "
Brooklyn and Manhattan are not exactly the plains of Wymoning so moving there is like stuffing 10 more pounds into a five pound bag
And let's not forget the outrageous rents.
"3. Buy a bicycle
4. Head to FootLocker and get a new pair of sneakers. "
I don't see too many people willing to bicycle or walk in a blinding rain or snow or bitter cold.
"The days of living 100 miles away from New York City and having good public transport are over."
True. Thing is, Robert Moses is long dead. But it seems that lately, his spirit lives on in the clowns that are running things.
Potential Health Problems
Cleaning Up Spilled Mercury
Traces of mercury were found on a Metrobus, officials announced Thursday .
Seven drivers who operated the No. 2223 bus are getting blood tests, but officials say they doubt the drivers or any passengers were exposed to dangerous levels of mercury vapor. Tests on other workers' shoes and clothing came back negative.
Department of Health experts say mercury is not readily absorbed into the body and that levels on the bus don't represent a significant risk to riders.
"Metrobus riders need not be alarmed," said Dr. Michael Richardson, Chief Medical Officer for the D.C. Department of Health. "Elemental mercury is not readily absorbed into the body, and the levels found in the buses would not represent any significant risk to riders getting on and off the bus."
Metro began screening buses after a Ballou High School student accused of removing mercury from the school Oct. 2 said he took a bus that day.
The bus remained in service Thursday and Friday. It was not driven over the weekend, but was put back into service Monday and Tuesday. It was pulled from service for testing Tuesday night.
The bus is being cleaned, and transit officials say the Environmental Protection Agency will have the final word before it goes back on the streets
Watching it right now on tv.
And the eerie thing is that it is almost a year since Conrad Johnson was shot and killed by the sniper.
This shooting was an ongoing epic gang violence going on in the Mount Pleasant area of DC. This was a running gun battle with one person killed, a driver shot and a neighborhood living in fear
Sorry I missed what bus was it? The news had a wmata bus in the backround but it was moving with passangers in it "Tysons Corner", so I believe it was another bus.
BTW, the bus was 9266 on the 42 to Mt. Pleasant.
A good movie on this discussion was Bowling for Columbine.
I hope they throw the book at em.
Joe Butler
Mark
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Wayne
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Not energized enough to post it here...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
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Jason
Someone here said that WMATA is giving up what they referred to as the 5200-series 30 ft. Flx Metros; I thought those were the 5100 series? And if so, how old are they, and what is their true status in WMATA's fleet at present time?
Wayne
-F.
BIG AL
Could also be a used bus dealer.
Jason
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
The first one was a red and tan painted unit, and was used on the B88 Culture Loop route from the pictures I've seen. It was a very German looking prototype, not the usual M.A.N. species we're used to seeing.
The second was, as others have identified, 9901 which went to Bee Line as 661.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Trust, me, it does NOT have a full set of NYCTA signage in the destination signs as others have mentioned.
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Not sure if it had a wheelchair lift -- I don't ever recall seeing them up in Seattle, only rode one of their M.A.N. artics once. I know the SL40102 "Americana" fleet up thee had front-door lifts, and they, too, had a very wide front door.
AM TRIPS
5:23-lvs from East Williston(Hillside Av-rosyln Rd to Jamaica).
5:31-lvs from Roosevelt Field to Jamaica.
5:57-same as 5:23A.M. trip.
6:09-lvs from Jericho Typke-Jay Court to Jamaica.
6:22-see 5:23 a.m. trip.
6:23-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
6:31-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
6:45-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
6:53-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
7:09-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
7:25-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
7:37-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
8:05-see 6:09 a.m. trip.
8:46-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
9:27-see 5:31 a.m. trip.
There is NO SERVICE ON THE N22A trip until..(and all these trips start at Roosevelt Field)..
2:40,3:10,3:48,4:13,4:31,4:50,5:08,5:26,5:44,6:34,7:25,9:31 and 10:31.
For returning from Jamaica, ALL N22A trips go to Roosevelt Field except the 6:39a.m. trip. Here is the schedule.
7:34,7:55,8:23,8:42,9:15,9:45,10:45,3:00,3:45,4:10,4:42,5:09,5:21,5:30,5:46,6:03,6:22,6:49,7:32 and 8:20.
Just thought i'd share this information-this is accurate as of 6/22/03.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF LONG ISLAND!!!!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF LONG ISLAND!!!!!!!
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carlton and I rode it on the B61
or just go over to labusfan.net and see for yourself
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Can anyone tell me more about these cars, and whether they were Dodge or Plymouth versions? Also, are there any of them still in existence? I need this information for our museum as WMATA bus archives are part of our collection. Any info is appreciated!
Fred Donaher
Curator
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
www.commonwealthcoach.com
Hope this helps.
-F.
I just wish they'd add more sunday buses. Right now, the first sunday bus leaves mienola at 9:30 and gets to Manorhaven at 10:20. That means the first bus to Mineola on sundays is at 10:24 and gets to Mineola at 11:11!!! I say add atleast 2 buses in the morning, and one in the evening. Oh well, atleast we have Sunday service, and TG we have mostly very friendly drivers. Oh, and, am I seeing things, or is Izzy really back?
I guess that's wtaying for a bit longer than expected.....
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Izzy
Pat
Benny
Jimmy
Vinni
Kevin
All really nice guys. Hope to see ya sometime!
Notes: The 2:25pm N27 bus #142 was seen running well behind schedule southbound in Carle Place. Was supposed to be at 3:05pm, was seen at 3:45pm. For some reason that particular bus always arrives 30-40 min late at RF mall. I dont miss those 70 min trips from Glen Cove. Only reason I was up in Greedvale was to indulge in some roast pork.
Also saw bus 208 being towed down Roslyn ave by the high school.
Daryl J
And Champions...it has big windows, right? I'd really like BIGGER WINDOWS instead of those little dots of glass we have on our stupid fords (like the Ride-On Ford Cutaways).
Joe Butler
I would suspect that Keystone will get the new Internationals, as would Frontier. Germantown will probably get some to replace the Fords on the 311 and the Cornwells Hts shuttles...
Germantown depot is a bit far for the breezes though, isn't it? Also, they might as well just retire all of the Fords together, wouldn't it be easier? Well, first, how many new cutaways were ordered? maybe it would be split between this year and next year, especially since they'll start coming in december...supposedly.
It would be nice if there were a shuttle from Cornwells Hts to Franklin Mills, but that would be asking too much. This is SEPTA, mind you...
AFA the 310/311 runs coming from Germantown, that's a contractual issue rather than an operational issue. The 310/311 and the 316/LUCY are operated by part-timers under a separate bargaining unit of TWU 234. They just happen to be based at the former Germantown carhouse/bus depot in Mt Airy (it's called Germantown because it's on Germantown Av, not because it's in the Germantown neighborhood).
BTW, if they do move 4501-4513 and 4558 to Frontier, I wouldn't complain that much. I'd much rather ride an ElDo than a Ford or an Int'l cutaway on the 92/133.
ALso, I've noticed from some Flyers that the Dorados that the Privates have (I think it's 4504 and 4507) do NOT have bike racks!
About the Germantown Depot, it's horrible that it is also under the TWU. I mean, Frontier, the city, and that is under the union that threatens to strike EVERY 3 YEARS! At least Victory has the more stable UTU, and they never strike to my knowledge.
Daryl Jackson
Keystone Quality Transport (Rt 314) will most likely get at least 6 to fill the peak requirements (4 base service, at least 1, maybe 2 spares), or
They will get the 2056-2069 series buses from either Germantown or Krapf's. 2006, 2019, 2022, and 2026-2028 would be retired either way.
Germantown (310, 311, 316/LUCY, Cornwells Hts) will get the remaining 22 to replace the Fords (which were built in 1999; these are part of the 2056-2069 series) and move the ElDorados to Frontier, or
They will get at least 10 Internationals to replace the remaining Fords (2021, 2023-2024 will be scrapped, if they haven't already; 2056-2057, 2060-2062, 2065, 2067, and 2069 will likely be transferred, either to Keystone or (god forbid) to Frontier).
Krapf's (204 and 207/Whirl) will be unaffected, as their buses (2058-2059, and 2063-2064, 2066, and 2068) will probably stay there, or
Krapf's will end up getting 6 Internationals and move their Fords to Frontier.
Either way, Frontier will get screwed over again unless Germantown sends the ElDorados there. I don't think I need to reiterate my position on Fords working on the 92/133 again...
Which bus depots have these problem?
Also which ones rarely have these problems?
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BTW, 5343 has a serious electrical problem. Perhaps if GH gave a flying f*ck, they would have noticed, or (gasp) cared.
MetroB
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One final thing, saw some Balt MTA action in seeing 9723 towed back to Montgomery, lol.
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To clarify this issue:
Fleet assignment decisions are made not at the depot level but by the Chief Maintenance Officer's staff (with whom Q5Merrick is in regular contact).
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BIG AL
Don't those meet 1996 standards?
BIG AL
Peace
David
-Adam
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Current fleet roster (including NJT-owned buses leased to private ops)
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22 1989 Flx Metro B transit (1700-1721)
5 1991 Flx Metro C CNG transit (0001-0005, originally 1722-1726 then NGV1-NGV5)
227 1994 Flx Metro D transit (1750-1975, 1976 is a maintenance trainer)
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total Flx transit: 254
175 1996 Nova RTS transit (2601-2775)
650 1999-2000 Nova RTS transit (1001-1576 with some gaps, 2501-2580)
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total RTS transit: 825
All the suburbans are Flx:
approx 285 Flx Metro B suburban (3000-3280, 3500-3605 - original order was 387; the worst 100 units were replaced by MCI D4000s in the big order)
91 Flx Metro D suburban (3700-3790)
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total Flx suburban: approx 345
Since Neoplan won the articulated bid, speculation is that they would be frontrunner to transit and suburban replacement, now that they have NJT's specs on hand. NJT would also be smart to do that because many parts would be interchangeable with the artics.
-F.
It still is! I was on New Jersey Flxible Metro-D 40102 #3742 (or was it #3772) on the NJ108 to Newark Penn Station.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW JERSEY!!!!!!
Peace!
DaShawn aka Flxible METROD #1975
By some chance, I hope the RTS and the Flixibles buses are introduced again if not NovaBUS, maybe another company.
MetroB
1500-1619, and 2000-2519 (with gaps in the numbering)
Did Flixible still make the 870 when they closed or they only made the Metros?
Do anyone else have any fond memories of riding those NJT Grumman/Flixible buses? What was the difference between the Grumman and the Flixible buses, or did they merge?
MetroB
The 870 was not in production very long. Flxible made it from 1978 to early 1982. Midway through '82, they updated the 870 to the Metro, and that was produced til the company shut down in 1996.
The company was always "Flxible" - Grumman Aerospace (who later merged with Northrop) was the parent company from 1978 to 1983, and chose to add their name to the operation. In fact, the 870 was designed when Flxible was still owned by Rohr Industries in the moid 70s. After the frame fiasco of the 870, Grumman chose to cut their losses and sold Flxible to General Automotive Corp, who eventually ran the company out of business by siphoning off their income and leaving no financial reserves for R&D, suppliers, and finally, payroll.
MetroB
1500-1619 were considered the best of the bunch and needed the least rehab. Some of them did indeed retain their NYCTA high-back seats, and all of them retained the orange emergency lights around the destination sign (NJT didn't use that feature). These were delivered in 1986. The 2000s began showing up a year later and were delivered through late 1988. Buses assigned to NJT Bus Operations received new 2+2 full-cushion seating, but those destined for private companies retained the NYCTA 2+1 hard blue seats.
MetroB
1300-1464 were Flxible Metros built after GAC bought Flx from Grumman. As far as how NJT ordered them, there were really just 2 differences: they had full cushioned seats with blue fabric, and they had the Metro "grille" between the headlights. Otherwise they were basically identical.
NJT used the standard-size Luminator flip-dot (not LCD or LED) destination sign on both the 1000-1270 870s and the 1300-1464 Metros. These same signs were also used on 1500-1619 amd were carried over from NYC. The 2000s that were destined for NJY Bus Ops used the 2-section Luminator flip-dot sign that NJT first used with the Volvos, and ordered with the 1989 Flx Metros (1700-1721, 3000-3280, 3500-3605). These signs had the larger three-digit route number area alongside the 15-character main sign. NJT started using the variable Luminator Max and MegaMax signs with the 1991 Flx Metro CNGs (1722-1726, now 0001-0005) as well as the 1994 Flx Metros, 1996 Nova RTSes, and the 1997-2000 MCI 102D3 CNGs - and used the LED versions of those signs with the 1999-2000 Nova RTSes and 2001-2003 MCI D4000/4500s.
The letter that appeared after "870" or "Metro" was actually an NJT order reference. "870 A" was the 1000-1270 order, A meaning the first order. 1300-1464 was Metro A. They used this with other manufacturers as well: 6100-6799 was MCI MC-9A, and 2601-2775 is considered RTS-06A. Each subsequent order of the same type was incremented the next letter. The ex-NYCT units were "870-B" because they were 870s and delivered after the 870-A, even though by year, they were older. Flxible caught on to this and **unofficially** referred to Metros with NJT's order letters. The anomaly is the "Metro E", since NJT only took 4 deliveries and stopped at D.
boit = not (and I type for a living... LOL)
"boit = not (and I type for a living... LOL"
It's alright, what do you do? Did you ever work for NJT?
MetroB
I'm a programmer for a market research company full time, and I work part time for a nationally known automotive industry firm on their internet message boards as a host/moderator, so I type all day.
"I'm a programmer for a market research company full time, and I work part time for a nationally known automotive industry firm on their internet message boards as a host/moderator,"
Cool! :)
MetroB
No, not the heavy stuff, but what appears to be a very light layer of it. All of QS' buses have it, both RTS' and Orions, but I can't speak for their MCI's since I haven't had the pleasure of riding one. Speaking of which, I can't recall in recent times riding a QS RTS with it's still red seats. Maybe Thurston can help?
So, why the padding? I'm not speaking only for QS by the way.
BIG AL
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BIG AL
8133 which has been down since March with engine problems, has finally been sent to Zeregra to be repowered. It's sister, 8167, also layed up since March, still sits in the back, minus some parts stripped from it.
Scrap news: 4659 appears to be heading for the scrap list. The bus has been out of service for a week with some kind of engine problem and now the farebox along with one of the windshields has been removed.
4676 was added to the scrap list today due to constant roadcalls. According to maintainence, it was costing more money every other day, literally, to keep the bus in service than it was making money!
Devil bus 4666 and 4718 are sitting in the back under the "el" stripped of nearly everything! I don't think I've ever seen buses stripped down as much in a regular depot. Anybody riding the train over head should find those buses a good photo opportunity.
4679 was also scrapped for reasons unknown.
The number of 4600's in service at Fresh Pond is now down to 8 consisting of 4681, 4683, 4684, 4686-87, 4695-96 and 4699.
Now for a real surprise. 8014 was also scrapped a few days ago! This bus was down for a month with a cracked bulkhead. I noticed a few small parts were disappearing off the bus here and there. The bus was officially put on the scrap list 3 days ago and has already been hauled off to the base shop, presumably to have the repowered engine removed.
With the Fresh Pond fleet at it's newest level now than it's ever been since I've been working in the depot, I have been able to amend my "no 4's after 6" policy to "no 4's after 5". Meaning the only time I send out a 4000 during the week is between 4 and 5 pm, when I have no choice. After that it's only 8500's and newer. (Even the low 8000's get put away) Even better news, on Saturday, I have enough good buses where I don't need to send out any 4000's period during my 4pm - 12am tour. DaRidgewood would be smiling from ear to ear if he were around here on the weekends.
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BIG AL
Time is running out for the city and the MTA to decide whether or not the MTA of New York City will take over seven of the city's private bus lines. The City Council's Transportation committee held a hearing this Friday to discuss concerns from the workers, owners, and commuters. NY1’s Natalia Perez filed the following story:
Hundreds of thousands of people ride the seven private bus lines in Queens every day.
On Friday, the employees and owners of those lines told a Council hearing that the city and MTA are leaving them in limbo while they decide whether to make the lines part of New York City transit.
Otherwise, the bus companies say they'll have to shut down at the end of December, since they are losing money and they haven't gotten all the financial support the city promised.
The companies also say the city and the MTA have left them totally out of the negotiations over whether the lines will become part of the Transportation Authority. Four lines: Jamaica Buses, Command Bus, Coach and Green Buses have filed suit.
The companies say they've had to cut service, and more cuts are on the way if the matter isn't settled soon.
Queens Councilman John Liu, who heads the Council's transportation committee, said it's time for an answer.
"We call upon the MTA to meet their legal mandate, to ensure that transportation is provided to all New Yorkers in our region,” Liu said.
Transit Worker Union employees are hoping an agreement is reached soon, they say not only for their sake, but for the sake of the hundreds of thousands of commuters that travel these buses each day."
“Riders are getting very frustrated between waiting periods, especially during the rush hour, where now we have overcrowded buses,” said Angelo Sinora, a driver for Triborough Coach.
“The breakdowns, repairs, it's very sad,” said Randy Carrington, another driver. “I hurt more than the passengers hurt, because I hate to have someone standing out there who's been standing 20, 30, 40 minutes for a bus."
And one driver pointed out that a couple of key parties to all of this were no-shows at the hearing.
“It's really a tragedy that no representatives are here from the MTA, or the city of New York, to give us an update on what's going on with the future of the bus service,” said Noel Acevedo of the Transit Workers Union.
NY1 contacted a spokesman for the MTA who said “We are in ongoing discussions with the city and we have informed the City Council that those talks are ongoing and that it would not be in the best interest of any party to have public airing of the issues.”
Still, many of the workers and owners of private bus lines, don't want discussions to be ongoing. They want the issue settled before December 31.
--Natalia Perez
Yep. That's the MTA we know and love.
At all times, unless otherwise instructed, there is a mechanical defect which would inhibit safe operation using such or during inclement (wet/snow) weather.
What is it's function?
To toss you through the windshield when I brake,, because as a NYCT employee, I cannot be left to trust my experiences and professionalism in safely stopping a bus under any circumstances...
When don't you use it?
I never use it, unless harassed via radio to use it. I then turn it on the next time I pass that particular SLD and shut it off once through his area.
Does it have to do with a amber bulb on the front left lower bulkhead of the bus?
It does.
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When functioning properly, they can be really nice. Our newest LFS retarders gradually come on, and provide adequate slowing power. The older ones kick in real hard, and jerk passengers.
Just wanted to point out something else, some transit buses are set up such that the retarder applies when the accelerator is released while others are set up so that the retarder won't apply until the brake pedal starts to be pushed. I've driven both setups. There are pluses and minuses to both ways of doing it, for example, you can't cover your brake while coasting through an intersection when the retarder starts to apply once your foot is off the accelerator. I suppose for those type of retarders the stopping distance could be shorter in a panic stop situation. It's all a matter of preference.
The Van Hools I was driving had an ideal setup I thought. The retarder would apply off the brake by default unless the override swith was on. I also had the ability to activate the retarder with a multi-position lever (for different levels of stopping power) and if the lever was left in one of the active positions the retarder would apply after releasing the accelerator. That way I could have the retarder off the accelerator while driving in town but turn it off if I wanted to coast. The operator has a lot of control over it. Sometimes I'd be cruising down the highway and take an exit ramp. I'd use the lever to activate the retarder to slow down, so my feet didn't move from the floor until I had to use the service brake to actually come to a complete stop at the very end of the ramp.
Mike
Meaning the driver don't have to press the brakes down as hard as with the retarder off. plus some retarders on our new flyers here at septa has such a high setting that all te b/o need to do is take his feet of the gas padel and the thing will stop rapaidly until it reach around 5-10mph when it cuts off during every downshift I beleave the retarder weakens slightly a bit.
October 10, 2003, 6:07 PM EDT
Anxieties over Queens bus service mounted Friday as hundreds of workers were notified they will lose their jobs New Year's Day, unless the city renews operating rights and subsidies for their private employers.
"We regret that the company may be forced to take such actions," Jerome Cooper, chairman of the board of four of the seven affected franchised companies, states in the form letter to 1,700 employees dated Thursday.
"If operating authority is not extended, all positions and jobs will be permanently eliminated on Jan. 1, 2004," Cooper wrote. He chairs Green Bus Lines, Triboro Coach Corp., Jamaica Buses Inc. and Command Bus Co.
Roger Toussaint, president of Transport Workers Union Local 100, which represents most of the employees, saw the warning as a ploy by management to spur the unions to help them pressure the city for renewed funding.
"They are threatening to force us out on the street, so that we carry their water," Toussaint said.
Jamie Van Bramer, spokesman for the companies, denied this was the goal of the warning letter and noted that those receiving the letters included many non-union employees.
"The issue," he said, "is that if in fact an MTA agreement is not in place by Jan. 1, and they don't extend the companies' operating authority, then we are out of business Jan. 1."
"It's a 60-day-notice issue," Van Bramer said. The letter cites such required notice under the federal Worker Adjustment Retraining Act of 1988.
The Bloomberg administration is pushing for the state's Metropolitan Transportation Authority to take over service on the private routes, and thus relieve city taxpayers of the need to subsidize these firms.
Those discussions are linked to the wider issue of what level of aid the state wishes to provide the city -- a battle now being fought in a separate lawsuit over a planned state debt bailout. Meanwhile, key operating contracts expire at the end of the year.
Citing pending litigation, Tom Cocola, a spokesman for the city Transportation Department, which oversees the franchise operations, said, "We have no comment. The negotiations are continuing with the MTA."
Cooper and other private bus executives testified on the heightening crisis Friday before the City Council Transportation Committee. "It is strange," Cooper said, that city officials seem to think the $200-million-plus service costs "will evaporate" if operations are turned over to the MTA.
Myra Burke, president of Queens Surface Corp., accused the city of making "secret plans" for the bus service, without engaging the companies in discussions toward a transition.
I doubt it will come to that anyway. I'm sure there are ongoing discussions behind closed doors. It's the MTA MO- say nothing until there's nothing left to say except "We did what was best for all involved".
Eventually, most likely eleventh-hout-MTA-style, buses will roll. Most likely, with blue stripes in the days to come following.
Who will drive these buses and would all privates' employees be immediately hired?
Where will the buses be stored and serviced, since all the depots are either privately or owned by the DOT.
This will not be an easy transition in a legal sense. If the takeover happens hopefully these issues are being worked out behind closed doors otherwise there is going to be one heck of a mess and a field day for the lawyers.
IMHO anyway. Knowing the MTA MO, that is.
1) If the private line drivers workers lose their jobs, the MTA can dispense with certain work rules and other procedures they would rather not maintain. It is unlikely that their pay scale would change, but the work rules could be modeled on Regional Bus and that would set up a 2005 showdown.
2) Legislation will have to be written and approved before the transfer can occur. Since the City Council showed little interest in the franchise system over the last 11 years, it is easy to deduce that they will not make the December 31 deadline. When the buses stop, they will HAVE to deal with the issue and legislation will be passed in 15-30 days.
3) Agendas are definitely being played out according to plan at this point. The franchise companies voluntarily locked themselves into an archaic contract to shield themselves from competition by other carriers. NYCDOT CAN punish the carriers for not meeting NYCDOT's schedule, but they won't do so because they know that people will yell and scream for MTA buses. A direct MTA takeover is governed by Section 13c rules, but not if the MTA resumes STOPPED service. The state would have to put in more money for overtime and integration costs from the takeover. Of course, you CAN'T say all of that publicly.
A possible scenario: All MTA bus operators are told to prepare to work overtime on January 1. The city franchise workers go out of service around midnight. Mayor Bloomberg declares a state of emergency and the franchise routes receive service by MTA buses under a temporary agreement with a duration of one week. The City Council races frantically to write legislation due to the skeletal service being provided in the first week. After Week 1, the private line workers are hired and the temporary agreement is extended another week. The MTA is deemed a city "contractor" and the city's fleet goes over as well as city-owned garages. By Week 3, the system is completely MTA's responsibility.
This is a likely scenario. Only disaster motivate us New Yorkers to move in a timely fashion.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
She's close. As with all things political in New York (especially since the MTA is a state animal), the decision has already been made - by the Three Guys In A Room In Albany. In this case, though, the Mayor might be allowed to stand outside the Room while the Three Guys exit through a side door.
"... "They are threatening to force us out on the street, so that we carry their water," Toussaint said ..."
Gee Roger, you are realy doing a great job of protecting that group of members with that remark .... NOT
Roger has said before that if they loose their jobs he make sure that the TA gives them a priority on being hired in the TA ... of course they'll start with zero seniority.
Come clean, CDTA..
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How come someone who's a busfan from Brooklyn(THe third best busplace in the city, behind Queens and Staten Island) have so many questions about a self proclaimed expert in New York City Transit and Travel who happens to have so many questions about NYCT and Travel?
Come clean, CDTA..
That ".." looks suspicious Brooklyn 67, or should I say CDTA!
Seriously, instead of posting your problems with another poster, just e-mail him/her about your problem, or better yet, killfile the person.
How come someone who's a busfan from Brooklyn(THe third best busplace in the city, behind Queens and Staten Island) have so many questions about a self proclaimed expert in New York City Transit and Travel who happens to have so many questions about NYCT and Travel?
Come clean, CDTA..
That ".." looks suspicious Brooklyn 67, or should I say CDTA!
Seriously, instead of posting your problems with another poster, just e-mail him/her about your problem, or better yet, killfile the person.
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For that reason alone, you can forget the C40LF coming to Manhattan, and besides they can't go to Manhattan anyway.
Fresh Pond? They just received some buses from Jackie Gleason, they needed a new fleet, that's the last depot that would have buses to spare, ENY doesn't have buses to spare either, they need those bueses for the lines they run, they are also getting incoming 8400s from Jackie Gleason.
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Being as I'm not that bus literate, why cant the C40lf's come to manhatthan?
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Reread my post, what you just said is irrelevant. WMATA has always tried to order equipment and design its garages so any bus or train can operate or be maintained from anywhere. There are exceptions of course. For example, Bladensburg is the only garage that can have CNG buses. Four Mile Run, Montgomery, Landover, Bladensburg, and Northern are the only garages that can have artics. But no bus garage is designed so that what is going on at West Farms will occur: A bus can not make it through the wash. The only cause for that that I can think of is bad planning.
Note that the above is why WMATA will most likely never order rail cars with a different exterior design than what they have now.
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Thanks for stopping in!
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You do realize he was trying to help, you don't have to be a ass about it.
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www.freewebs.com/tstanyc
It's a website about what improvements I want to make to the system by creating a second transit authority. Feel free to comment on it here. Remember though, it aint 100% complete, and probably never will be, cuz I'm always thinkin up new things and making changes to already posted routes.
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Can someone who knows please tell me!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
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Mark
-Adam
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There are several shots of Grumman 631 for your viewing pleasure.
PS/ you must join the group in order to get the pictures. It's instanteous, and you will ge access to the pics once you join.
Notes: Boy those buses leaving Roosevelt Field get packed on Saturday night. N24 #369 to Jamaica had no seats and 5 standees, perhaps they need to run more than once an hour at that time. The N15 to Long Beach I saw was also pretty full. The N22's at that time run only to Mineola. My N22 HICKSVILLE left RF with only a few seats. Now that I've had the chance to observe LIB at Roosevelt Field on a Saturday night, there's clearly need for more buses.
Some notes
Verry bad traffic on 2 Ave Today. It took almost 1/2 an Hour to go from 34 St to 23 St and I switch plans and I was going to the M14 but instead I took the M21. I did also saw an lady who got on 5666 at the same stop as I got on(34 St) gave a block ticket and when she got off at 25 St she got an Transfer. Also Park Ave South was closed down and I did not notice that until I rode 1008 and I saw a few M1's and a X27 Bus on 3 Ave. It was pretty strange to see O5's and D4500's on 3 Ave south of 23 St.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
1, I call myself the TRAVEL EXPERT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW TO TRAVEL
ANYWHERE IN THE CITY USING NYCT BUSES AND/OR SUBWAYS not depots and
other things
2, I never knew about this site until 2 weeks ago.In other
words i am new here
3, I thought i was the only person interested in the way the
NYCT runs buses until i came here
4,Whats wrong with hearing other peoples point of view about things?
Every one even myself has a opinion about things
5, Is being curious a crime?You tell me
Is asking questions a crime?
6, Who ever responed to him and said i was 11 they are wrong
Its no one's business how old i am
Also since i started posting i came up with good topics and questions
ALL IAM ASKING IS FOR U AND OTHERS THAT HAVE IN PROBLEM WITH ME IS TO SHOW SOME RESPECT. AND JUST SAY SORRY FOR WHAT YOU DID BECAUSE IT
WAS NOT RIGHT AT ALL
And to others I thank u for responding to my questions
Continue responding
Respectfully
NYCT TRAVEL EXPERT
BIG AL
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By the way, just because you can navigate through the 5 boroughs doesn't mean you're a NYCT TRAVEL EXPERT.
MetroB
Enjoy!
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
I don't recall ever hearing of one in a full-size transti bus...but then, ya never know.
It would look nice if that bus was restored in its original colors.
Also was it a "tranist" or a "suburban" configuration?
Serial #62006-11, fleet #7764-9 were purchased for Asbury Park-New York Transit in 1976. No fleet number is visible, and I didn't get inside the bus to see a serial number.
Nice shots. Too bad the bus is so close to the side of that building, otherwise we'd be able to look at the right side and determine whether it's a city or suburban version...
Looking at the fence I realized that the owner had a gate removed and replaced with continuous chain-linked fencing in front of the 'driveway' (that's how they must've gotten the bus in there in the first place).
http://photos.transitgallery.com/DC-Transit
The new pictures are in the new album, the firt one listed. After a week or so, all the pictures in the new album will be relocated to their respectful categories. Enjoy!
The S61,S62,S66,S67 all make the same exact stops between St George
Ferry and Victory Blvd/Jewett Av. Along with the s91,s92 making limited stops.
Let me tell u on Victory Blvd/Jewett almost 20 buses pass by there in
a hour during the rush hour
Are all of these bus routes necessary on Victory Blvd?Why or Why Not
Travel Expert. Travel Expert my ASS! If you are a travel expert...then I'm a transit expert!
Like I said a couple of times already I want to hear
other peoples opinion and point of view. Not hear some
other stupid s***
If u got something against me do not respond to my post.
U all are adults. I am not even 18 yet and u and these other
people are given me a hard time here.
Stick to my question
I want to hear other peoples opinion and point of view.
My opinion and point of view had been stated, to wit, you replied with subtle confirmation in-denial, the epitome of an oxymoron.
Nonetheless, I remain, you're fooling nobody other than yourself. CDTA by any other name would sound as ignornat.
Can't be CDTA. He hasn't said one thing about roll signs.
MetroB
The 67 is only a rush hour route so I think most customers on the bus are those along Watchogue.
Doesn't the 61 or the 62 not run in peak direction during the rush hour because of the abundance of the the other local and the 66, 67 running simultaneously. I forget if it's on the am, pm or both. If that's the case, then there's some answer to your question.
=)
But this is what I think should happen. It wouldn't be a bad idea
to run the 61 and 62 limited only between Victory Blvd/Jewett Av to
the ferry during the rush hours(in peak direction) and have the 66 and
67 take up the local service. And run the 66 and 67 more frequently.
Then the 91 and 92 wont be necessary because they run limited
between Jewett and the ferry.
Of course it is, YOU are the expert you know :-P.
Seriously though, they all branch off around Jewett Av and the S66 & S67 are weekday only routes and the 91/92 are LTD routes so in the weekdays its necessary. You could of simply referred to the SI bus map and see for yourself.
http://216.156.84.253/swingroom.jpg
http://216.156.84.253/swingroom2.jpg
Intersested in seeing more?
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
MetroB
During the summer months, we use the exterior sun deck for barbeques, relaxation and to hide from management. The deck is open and used 24/7 for employees who wish to smoke. Not shown in this photo is the exterior gymnasium and BBQ consoles. None of which are funded by taxpayer dollars. All items (including the televisions, CD and DVD players, 5.1 Surround System, all Pool and Ping Pong tables) are funded by employee donation/contribution.
There is a secondart swing room to the rear of this room. We usually eat our lunch "in the back". The back swing room includes a full kitchen, mens locker room, restrooms/showers, lunch tables, the surround system, and the entrance/exit to the exterior deck.
Other rooms include female locker room, female swing room, dispatcher swing room, and other various offices for management and union personnel.
MetroB
The swingroom usually has anywhere from 2 - 100, depending upon the time of day. Most of us report between 5AM and 6:30AM, so that's the time most of us would be there. Momentarily anwyay. For the average lunch break, you'll probably find a good 30 - 40 men and women there, but remember, breaks vary among runs. But there's always someone coming and going.
The occasiuon was the retirement of our former depot chair who served as shop steward in 12 of his 24 years of service to the Authority. He's now collecting his pension :-)
The "perks" as mentioned aren't really perks. None of the equipment you see is funded by taxpayer dollars. All of the items are purchased by employee contribution with the exception of one or two Employee Incentive Programs offered by the TA.
The reason Queens Village is nicknamed "The Country Club" is due to the deck you see above. That is, if you enjoy being a member of a country club that spews fuel fumes all day.. LOL
MetroB
The lot where the bus is resting is right behind the old, Pitkin Movie Theatre near Saratoga St.
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Or, rather, it is because those are the only buses where GBL seems to care about the lifts?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
GBL 1985 TMC RTS #649 Q21
D.Stefanson,
West Farms Kid II
N79 #311 - Farebox was stuck, wouldn't accept coins or Metrocards
Even with all that speed we were still late at the end. That's why they build big layovers in at each end, especially at Oxford Valley Mall.
Chuck Greene
MAN!!!! There has got to be a busfan at WMATA, we just need to find him or her.
We had a driver, who's name will remain unmentioned, who allowed some of us to reach our leg under the bar, and press down on the accelerator of our nearly fully loaded GM Old Look...man what a feeling!!!
He would let us do it only in one place. At the bottom of the steep hill on Springfield Blvd, heading from 73rd ave to 75th ave...He had to stop at the bottom to let kids off.. and when it was time to go, we would take turns on rotating days...our driver would alow us to 'floor' the pedal, and the bus would struggle it's way up that long straight hill, at the top of which we would turn it over to him.
Long before I ever drove a car...I felt the incredible feeling of power when a kid steps on an accelerator, but for us...it was a big ol' bus. I suppose he could have been in big trouble if anyone from the TA found out.. but no chance of that happening. He was an older man...long since retired..so no harm in telling this story, but it's something I will never forget..I did it several times..
Thanks driver.. thanks alot. We had a blast!
On one of my school runs, I let a kid run the farebox while I went to chat with one of the other drivers. All he had to do was hit a key when they showed their pass or presented a temporary ticket unless they paid a cash fare.
Mike
Yes Chris Rivera, I admit, WMATA is pathetic in this situation. Due to their refusal to operate weekday service, a number of other systems are forced to operate on limited or reduced schedules, inconveniencing many, myself being one of those who will be inconvienenced tomorrow to the point I will use my car.
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Wayne
When I commuted on the MBTA in Boston, it always drove me nuts that the T ran Saturday schedules on Columbus Day and Presidents Day. I usually had to work those days, and I lived on an weekdays-only extension of a bus route. It was only a 10-miunte walk to the regular termination point, but it was an annoyance - and I had it good. Many others further out in the suburbs had no service whatsoever. Plus, you had to put up with crowded subway trains on those days, especially in the afternoon rush hour. It was as if the MBTA administration decided that, 'Hey, since we don't have to work those days, I guess not too many others do either.' WRONG!
Jim D.
BIG AL
BIG AL
Can they get away with that?
What the MTA needs to do is what Bee-Line does: place stickers in each bus warning people of penalties that they face should they assault the bus operator (or other uniformed transit employee).
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Does anyone else kno and heard any other stories of NJT buses getting hijacked? I kno that now, NJT buses are tracked by the Control Center and are actually displayed on some sort of board where the dispatchers know exactly where every bus is. Did NJT always have this kind of tracking system? Does NYCT Command Center have something similar? Thanks!
MetroB
BIG AL
B60#8079
"Time to bury the Red Sox. Go Yankees!!! Best 2 out of 3."
BIG AL
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I saw a depot by I-95 when going to Connecticut. It was basically made up of Orion Vs and RTSs...it was half empty though. I think it was near the Bronx. What depot is this?
Also, I saw some buses with blue bottoms that kinda looked like either RTSs or MCI Classics. It was sharing a lot with some school buses. What depot/company is that for?
Also, I finally saw Queens Surface line buses for the very first time in real life! Pretty nifty CNGs...
Peace
David
Wayne
I took pics and I will have them posted here later
David
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
David
Yes, that should have been true, but since the truck had stairs coming out of the back of it, with people walking up and down, and also some people hanging around at the base of the stairs, I guess the B/O didn't want to get too close. I believe all activity was beyond the bus stop border. I should go and get a photo of this, but I don't know if I'm going back there this week.
We are the same in many ways. But I guess that's my problem. ;)
Chinatown Bus 3
Oren's Acela 0
Pictures courtesy of Ray.
Chuck Greene
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And why is it so god damn hard to make up time during the entire route activity without the computer spazzing out about speeding?
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Route 13 schedule
The 14 is a two hour route but within the 20 minute frame, you should be able to make it back to White Plains.
The 14 runs through WCMC and WCCC (Medical Center and Community College). Just like the buses running through Roosevelt Field and Nassau Community College, so you get the idea what the ride feels like the long N78/79 routes. You can take the 14 bus towards Croton-Harmon. But if you feel the ride (1 hour and 15 minutes just to get there, AND loops around Ossining for no reason) is too long and you may doubt getting back to White Plains for you bus back, I strongly suggest you find a good train from Croton-Harmon to Tarrytown and get your 13 bus there. NOTE: 13B buses along Benedict Ave DO NOT stop at Tarrytown RR station so be careful and check for the B symbol to make sure it is not there along the bus you most likely to connect at Tarrytown RR station.
My ADP bus from White Plains leaves at 4:35. The 14 gets it at 4:15. So, what I'm really asking is....does the 14 usually get delayed on a saturday afternoon/evening? What about the 13b?
I have no stats or experiences on Saturday afternoon travel on the 13 or 14 buses but the 14 has to loop aroung Ossining, go through the hospital and college before it runs down Elmsford. I think the 13/13B would be a better bet, the route is shorter and does not go through all the crazy stuff that the 14 bus does.
Notes:Coming back from visiting a friend in Woodmere I noticed LIRR trains stuck in the Lynbrook station. I heard later on the radio there were signal probs at Valley Stream. Lighter than avg ridership due to the holiday.
I have a picture of a cab area which is fitted with an anti-assault screen - anyone who ism interested, e-mail and I will let you have a copy of the .jpg file.
"Its time to bury the Red Sox. Go Yankees!!!!"
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Mark
Who is/was Michael J. Quill?
Is the $25,000 fined to individual workers, or the MTA?
Doesn't that law include the private bus lines? If so, How come they were allowed to strike last year? (or was that this year?)
I also get the feeling that California could care less since public transit mainly effects the poor and underemployed. The vast majority prefer to drive in gridlock and that includes even those who are struggling to make ends meet. I predict in 20 years, this same thing will happen again only it will cripple over 1 million commuters.
Michael J. Quill was the president of the Transport Workers' Union Local 100 in 1966 (and a former head of the international union) when he defied a judge's order not to strike, telling him to "drop dead in his robe" (even though Quill wound up dropping dead soon after the strike ended).
The $25,000 fine per worker per day is actually assessed on the union.
The private bus line workers are not municipal or state employees, and thus they are not covered or subject to the provisions of the Taylor Law.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
How many union reps are placed in a depot and what are their primary duties? Do they work well with the TA managers? If a union goes on strike, is a B/O within that union still allowed to work or does that B/O get penalized from his union? Isn't it possible for the TA to get a contract that has a "no stirke" claus if there is a disagreement between the two sides (I think NJT has an arrangement that pervents the union to go on strike)? Can a B/O work without a union? Are there any differences with NJ Transit? I am sorry there are numerous questions. I would like if you can answer the ones you know. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks!
MetroB
The MTA probably does not have to get the union's permission on such changes, and could not care less. However, it's funny that you brought it up, because of what has been posted here with respect to the Q44 (which CS, an ATU depot, may lose to West Farms, a TWU depot, if CS refuses to take the 28 artics scheduled to be delivered to it in early 2004).
Why does NYCT DOB have different unions?
This goes back to the 1960s, when MaBSTOA was formed when the employees of several private bus companies went on strike, including, but may not be limited to, Avenue A buses, Fifth Avenue Coach, and Surface Transit. The state took over the routes and formed the Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority as a separate division of the MTA, independent of NYCTA until 1984. (126 Street Depot at this time was designated a NYCTA Depot, while all other Manhattan and Bronx depots were designated MaBSTOA depots.) In terms of unions, the divisions are Brooklyn/126 Street (TWU), the MaBSTOA depots (TWU), Queens (ATU) and Staten Island (ATU). Staten Island and Queens have different unions.
Isn't it possible for the TA to get a contract that has a "no stirke" claus if there is a disagreement between the two sides...
Also, in New York State, it is illegal for a public service employee to go on strike. Period, thanks to the Taylor Law of 1967.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
Oh that's right he's up for re-election, so it time for ME, ME, ME, I, I, I did it :0(
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According to my sources in the TA no more service is being planned for Gateway Mall at this time.
The problem with the B-60 is that its too long a line and that many routes that intersect the B-60 also intersect the B-13 which serves Gateway Mall already
If the TA were to add service to Gateway Mall it needs a East/West route .
I would speculate and this is my own opinion i would make the East 80th Street branch of the B-17 be extended to Gateway Mall via Flatlands/Glenwood-Cozine and at the same time simplify the B-17 to operate from Eastern Pkway to Seaview-E.108th Street only.
Again its my opinion only
Thank You
Are you saying that you would extend the B17 portion that runs to the Rockaway Parkway station and make THAT an additional branch to Gateway???? Also, I'm assuming that the 17 branch that goes to East 80 St would still serve the subway station.
The B60 option is great IMO but the B82 could have worked if it had LTD stop service.
Barry, correct me if Im wrong.
I also go for the B82 to be extended across to Gateway.
BTW-To extend the B-60 will cause a problem as there is a sizeable ridership around the current B-60 route along East 108th Street,Stanley Avenue and Williams Avenue
Thank You
The B82 Would Be A Better Canidaet for a Extend To Gateway Mall Run Every Other 82 Teo Gateway Way OR Make Limted Service TO Gateway Mall
#8677 - B4
#9101 - B6
B82#4408
Forget the B-82 its too long already
Thats my opinion
Thank You
If all goes well, groundbreaking will occur sometime next year.
P. S.
How the hell are you?
Anyhow, the homes to be built in Gateway will be row houses that will be physically smaller than current Nehemiah (in terms of width of the buildings). I assume these will be two story dwellings. Also, the plot of land (front lawns and backyards) will be smaller than the same type structures already in use in ENY.
By the way, check out my earlier post titled "PHOTOS, PHOTOS". I think you might enjoy.
Let me know what you think.
BIG AL
There are disputed reports on how many customers were in the bus. The WABC News story tells us initially that the bus was empty, except of course, the operator.
"The bus proceeded to take down a poll, some wires and eventually crossed the street and struck the marquee of a building. "
Nice to know that WABC uses spellcheck :)
Who was the bus "polling" anyway? :D
I hope the B/O is OK and hopes for a quick recovery.
BIG AL
That is until sooner or later, they will get caught and pay the price for their felonous actions.
Still, it's a very funny and lighthearted statement.
1990 TMC RTS-06 #8381 (The ODD ball)
1993 Orion 05.501 #173-316
1994 Orion 05.501 CNG #317
1994 Orion 05.501 #400-401
1995 Orion 05.501 #402-580
1995 Orion 05.501 CNG #581-610
1996 Orion 05.501 #631-680
1997 New Flyer D60HF #1000-1109
1999 Orion 05.501 #6000-6001 (I know these two have their side destination sign on the bottom)
Thanks to anyone OR everyone in advance for their answers!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Mayor Bloomberg's office and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority are examining the potential transfer of Green Bus, Triboro Coach, Jamaica Buses, Command Bus, New York Bus, Queens Surface and Liberty Lines to the city transit system. However, say private bus line owners, that has been happening without their input.
Last month, the owners filed a $10 million lawsuit claiming the city is not honoring an agreement to properly subsidize the private lines. They further charged that the city is trying to drive them out of business.
If the city does not reauthorize their contracts when they expire Dec. 31, the private bus line operators warn, their buses will not roll Jan. 1 because their workers will be out of jobs. By law, layoff notices must go out to employees 60 days in advance.
"They must act immediately to renew my operating authority and operating contracts or my company will be forced to cease operations at the end of this year," Myra Burke, owner of Queens Surface Corp., said at a City Hall hearing Friday.
Officials of the MTA and the mayor's Office of Operations were not at the hearing.
"The city is in the midst of very sensitive and complex negotiations with the MTA over the takeover of the private bus lines," explained mayoral spokesman Jordan Barowitz. "Testifying before the Council could seriously jeopardize the $100 million-a-year deal and cause great inconvenience for the riding public."
Waiting on gov?
TWU Local 100 President Roger Toussaint said that neither the MTA nor the city will reveal its intentions for the routes, even as his members worry about supporting their families if no agreement is reached.
Toussaint said he believes the MTA may be waiting for Gov. Pataki to give the go-ahead to take over the lines, but noted that the agency would have to scramble to come up with the necessary cash to do so.
Officials have estimated it would take incalculable millions to upgrade aging private fleets and bus depots in order to get the lines up to city standards. The city spends between $98 million and $120 million annually to subsidize the operations.
Councilman John Liu (D-Queens), chairman of the Transportation Committee, said it "appears clear" that the MTA will not be able to take over the routes by Jan. 1. He said the Council will work to take action to make sure there is no disruption in bus service.
Originally published on October 13, 2003
I can assure you the city will come up with the 100 million somewhere as the alternative is to buy new buses while absorbing all those pension plans and salaries! As for inforcing these local bus companies to purchase new vehicles, you can toss that out the window.
Don't worry folks. Nothing is going to change. The buses are not going anywhere.
Who are you, Bob Dole?
B64-#4452-TMCRTS
B68-#7642-Orion VII
B1-#4458-TMCRTS
B64-#9334-NOVABUS
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Robert
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BIG AL
Hey, make 'em an offer ;^)
Tony Autorino of Double A Transport of Rocky Hill, CT has been a tremendous help by taking another Old Look and the New Look to his facility.
It was with his help that the remaing New Looks were started up and moved to their current location on the property.
If you have a buyer, approach the Board of Directors, one of whom is Bus-Talker "Thurston", about selling the buses. Its the BOD's call in any event.
nOTES:
N22 ride was fast in both directions, despite 284 bein a little doggish. The NJT Flxibles do seem a little sluggish, the engine on 3741 shook and was quite loud at idle. 3732 was quite sluggish.
TransitDC...Representing DC Area Transit and Beyond.
I rarely make an appearance here, as I spend my time over at Subtalk, but I want to share this photo of an East Broad top Transit bus. It has made an appearance nearly every fall at the East Broad Top Fall Event.
Info posted next to the bus said that it was a 1935 GM bus with a Buick engine.
MetroB
Least we forget, it wasn't that long ago that LI Bus was 50% supported by Nassau County & acted independant of the MTA ... that was good for Nassau County residents. Now it's a MTA property to do with as they please thanks to the past two County Exec. Remember that at election time !
Yep, THANKS to them I get to use Metrocard on LIBus! I can use my unlimited 30 day Metrocard, to ride LIBus, as well as NYCT Bus and subway! $70 flat monthly fee to travel in 6 Counties! And before I started using unlimited cards, I had free transfers to and from LIB with my pay per ride card! Back in the MSBA days it was $2 to get on the bus from Queens. When it became part of MTA it went down to $1.50, and if I came out the subway or off a NYCT bus it was FREE.
Speaking of which, What led them do the decision to have the MTA take over? Who was against and for it? WHat were the arguements? What were county residents and riders opinion on it?
He's looking at the first Tuesday in Nov. coming & his wanting to get re-elected (he also thought he was Governor material). So, thinking that if he could sell the Nassau County hospital & get the MTA to pay his share of LI Bus support he would dodge the bullet again, he went for it.
The Democrats won in a big way that year, even after some of his Republican friends in Albany bailed out LI Bus.
Tom Suozzi, the current Democrate in the chair has just sent out new tax bills showing a big increase AND he says he can't provide a nickle in support to LI Bus ... so here we go again :-(
Interesting Observation. I notice this similar treatment with NJ Transit's "perferred treatment" with the Hudson Bergen Lightrail. It goes to show you folks that if LI had a Lightrail or Trolley system, things would be alot different. Rail tends to get more subsidation than buses overall.
I happen to think LI bus riders are in for the shock of their lives when the service cuts do happen. I don't think the bus service is going away but you just might end up with basically weekday commuter lines.
You better think about getting those bicycles ready.
www.freewebs.com/tstanyc
www.freewebs.com/tstanyc
Click on trolley/bus/light rail and you'll find it in there.
I dont think it will be THAT serious. Alot of people still use the bus on the weekends.
Well look how much their fare went up, compared to bus fares.
More Trouble Ahead
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
My guess is forward facing seats all the way to the rear door on the right side???
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
There are 20 forward facing seats before the rear door area. Then there are 3 seats aisle facing on each side (left sides are handicap ones). Then there is the rear door, and opposite the door is another 3 seat aisle facing for handicaps. Now normally is 8 forward facing seats (2 rows of 2 on each side) then the rear row of 5 seats.
We know it's not forward facing seats all the way on the right side to the rear door, and it's not the seats in the rear row of the bus.
Another guess - maybe DOT style seating with aisle facing seats behind the rear door on both the right and left without any forward facing seats??
Let me know.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Especially the windows, why did they have to be boxy and rectangular, taking away some of its potential of being a nice looking bus. Its very narrow, the STOP REQUEST sign is inferior, barely visiible and the ring is so low. The O5's were a success [minus the fires]. I hope they do away with Orion for good and go somewhere else. Its not a bad bus but could of been a whole lot better and yes they did show bad taste.
Especially the windows, why did they have to be boxy and rectangular, taking away some of its potential of being a nice looking bus. Its very narrow, the STOP REQUEST sign is inferior, barely visiible and the ring is so low. The O5's were a success [minus the fires]. I hope they do away with Orion for good and go somewhere else. Its not a bad bus but could of been a whole lot better and yes they did show bad taste.
K.Usagi,
West Farms Kid II
O7 #7643 Bx6
Yes and no.
Yes, it is the only transit bus model still being produced today with squared windows, but no, it isn't the first to have squared windows. If you recall, the NovaBUS LFS (a ripoff of a Berkhof low-floor design) had squared windows when introduced around 1996. NovaBUS modified the design recently to a more rounded window design and that's what they have been producing ever since about 2000.
Also, even though this is not a heavy-duty low-floor bus, the Champion Solo (The model used as a Port Authority Airport Shuttle at LaGuardia Airport and as an Employee Shuttle at JFK) has squared windows, though I don't know of the Solo is produced anymore...
The Thomas SLF is also in production with squared windows, ever since its conception, ripped off from the Dennis Dart model in Europe...
There are others...any takers?
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
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Incognito is neutral and I just sign my posts with The West Farms Kid on BT and The White Plains Kid on ST, it's easier (though more typing) than one handle that's suited for one board but not the other...
But, thanks for the idea...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
There are 56 Neoplan DKs and 111 Neoplan EBs remaining on the active roster (pending confirmation of additional Neos pulled out of service). That's 167 buses that are not accessible.
The 28 Internationals that will arrive in December will be one-for-one replacements of the Fords, which are already accessible;
The 18 PCC-II cars slated to be put into service in April 2002 should take at least 15-20 more Neos out of service.
There are 100 New Flyer diesels and at least 10 hybrids (with the possibility of up to 20 more). That's at least 110, and possibly 130 more Neos that will be pulled.
That probably means at least 10-15 more Neos would have to be retired unless an option order is executed. SEPTA does have three 1-year options for an additional 20 buses per year. If SEPTA executes an option for FY 2004, then the DKs and EBs will be retired by the end of next year. Otherwise, who knows...
Other than the 23, what other routes are the Neoplans found on?
Thank you.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
I don't know if this still happens, but artics also run on Saturdays...I know the first L trip from the mall is an artic bus.
The last time I was in Philly (Friday of Memorial Day weekend) all I saw operating on the "L" were Nabi's. When did they start operating the artics on the "L"?
I honestly can't say when the L started operating artics, since I only started taking the L a little more than 2 years ago since I moved up here. Artics have been running on the route for a while, years even, but they are hard to find. The artic runs (at least during the weekdays) probably stem from a 22, 55, or 6 run I guess, I have no idea it that is true or not. The funny thing about the L and NABIs is the detour on Stenton Ave, which is very narrow. So narrow that if a car is on the yellow line, the mirror probably would hit a pole (that happened once...I think the mark is still there on the pole...the mirror hit the glass on the door, shattering it.)
In general, though, they show up pretty much anywhere.
In addition to the 23, the best chance of seeing a Neo are on the "trackless" routes - 29 and 79 in South Philly, and the 59, 66, and 75 in the Northeast - and on the 61. You can also see them at Norristown, though it's fairly hit and miss on what routes they'll show up on (the most common ones, though, are the 93 and 96).
The trackless trolleys to my knowledge are almost exclusively Neo, as well as rt 5.
It used to be that the 3, 5, and 25 were all Neo lines; there've been more Flyers showing up on the 25 in recent months.
Further up in the Northeast, the 70 bus used to be a Neo stronghold, mostly with 8700s, 8800s, and an occasional 3100s. Now, the only Neos left at Comly are the 3100 non-accessible EBs, some of which used to be at Frankford and Southern (the 3400s at Comly were moved to Southern this past fall). As such, except for school trippers, the 70 is now a Flyer/NABI line.
Speaking of bus changes, the 95's "4 o'clock Neo" went back to a cutaway run again, but I was VERY surprised to see a NEW FLYER on the 4;40 run as well as one of the early morning runs. I haven't seen that since the New Flyers first came to Frontier's Depot.
Speaking of the 25, I haven't really seen them that much, but my impression was that it was dominated by NABIs basically, and I think the schedule portrays a New Flyer on it, although nowadays the bus on the cover doesn't say much anymore.
So, Comly only has the 3100 Neoplans now? So, is it essentially dominated by 5500 series NEw Flyers, and NABIs?
How about the AMGs? They're are quiet, efficient, fast, environmentally friendly, and in better shape than the DKs (not that that's saying much), yet SEPTA is content to let them die an ignominious death.
Hell I really could care less about some Neo-junk diesel bus, the fact that those junkers are roaming the streets while SEPTA kills the ETBs and then promotes the 'Clean Air Solution' merely under scores their complete inability to run a transit system. The DE40LFs should be a replacement for the Neoplan DKs, not the AMGs, by all rights we should be attempting to do a piggyback order of AN440LF ETBs with Boston, it'd save on the engineering and other fixed costs.
My guess with the Tracklesses is that SEPTA will promote them as "Clean Air Solution" and make themselves look good for "reintroducing" the trackless trolley mode of transit (kinda like they are doing for the 15)
The DE40LFs are the replacement for some of the DKs, they aren't techinically replacing the AMGs. We should be getting those AN440 trackless LFs. My guess is that maybe, if things work out, we'll be getting those in a few years, according to the SEPTA report. They recieved specific funds to purchase new trackless trolley coaches.
Anyway, SEPTA's trackless system is pathetic anyway. I didn't even know they existed AT ALL until I was about 10 or 11, and I was a regular user of transit. I had to go all the way to FRANKFORD just to see trackless wires. I find it funny that you can be an avid rider of SEPTA and not know of their existance at all.
The DE40lf is good accorded but not would consider to be an not so good replacement for the trackless trollerys since they don't generate emissions. DE40lf can move around way easycompare to a TT's but still it use diesel which general emissions down the line. Now if SEPTA can replace it's current bus fleet with them that would be consider an good improvement considering the fact SEPTA buses uses mainly diesel.
Now about the DK's so the DK are start to get in the same condition at the 86-88xx neoplans were like before they retaired from septa last year ah? Well the DK's-EB have had a lot of years in them. I am so shock that SEPTA keeped the DK's this long i thorugh once the 56xx flyers arrive, most of the dk's will allget retired. Turns out that SEPTA has more plans for them for another year or so. I don't think all of the non-w/c buses would be retired next year through maybe the year after next. And i guess once they will cancal out i supposed a few EI-EZ buses the ones in the worst of conditions would retired as well. But the EZ's still have a good while left in them.
Chuck Greene
The artics have this very intresting whistling sound...I heard an RTS at the Philly airport, I think it was a Nova, that had a similar sound but without the high whistle.
Chuck Greene
Mark
Joe Butler
Here the Port Authortiy uses many Low-Floors probably from NABI. At one time they used RTS slope-backs and one of them was living out its life as a parking lot shuttle bus at Belmont Raceway for Jet-Away Transport.
If you want some pictures of the bus in its PA livery e-mail me privately and put Slope Back in the subject line.
SEPTA:
Neoplan AN440
Neoplan AN460 [when R1 is bused]
NABI
Eldorado
New Flyer
Phil Airport Shuttles and Rental Car Companies.
GM RTS
NOVA RTS
NOVA LFS
Gillig Phantom
Gillig Advantage Low-Floor
Eldorado Transmark
Neoplan Low Floor
I thought Avis retired their GM RTSs with the Gillig Adavantages.
National Car rental uses the transmarks.
http://www.metro-magazine.com/t_featpick.cfm?id=90506196
This listing doesn't show the commercial firms, i.e. Greyhound, USA Coach, etc., but they do publich those numbers.
MetroB
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
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B12#8455
"Lets Go Yankees. The nails are in the coffin. Bury the Red Sox."
"Special shoutout to the Cubs fan who forced a game 7."
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
BE AWARE OF EXTENSIVE DELAYS ON ALL SI EXPRESS BUSES AND THE S53 and S79 BUSES TO/FROM BROOKLYN.
1. Take the 99S form Port Authority.
2. Tell the driver to leave you at the Bayonne Bridge entrance
3. Walk over the Bridge into Staten Island
4. Home Sweet Home.
We had a power dip at school today. Also, I heard over the bus radio that one of the school buses was stuck on a residential island cuz a tree had fallen onto the only road off the island. Kinda funny if u think about it.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Free shuttle buses will be leaving from Greenwich St and Battery Place (by Battery Park, north side) that will take you to the St. George Ferry terminal in Staten Island.
OR
Take R train to 86th st in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn and transfer for free shuttle buses to the ferry terminal. There is also increased service on the S53 and S79 routes to Staten Island, you can use these buses from the same 86th st subway stop.
X17-NYCT
X22-NYCT
X23-Atlantic Express
X24-Atlantic Express
X30-NYCT
X31-NYCT
ferry service is suspended in both ways. Take R to 85th st and shuttle buses available to SI from 86th and 4th av.
A co-worker of mine already left the office since the lines for those buses will be incredible.
I mentioned another alternative of taking the 99S at the Port Authority into Bayonne. Walk over the Bayonne Bridge and the Bus stop is just across the street.
God Bless those people on the boat. Also the rescues crews.
The ferry pilot, responsible for docking the vessel, fled the scene immediately after the crash, went to his Staten Island home and attempted suicide by slitting his wrists and shooting himself with a pellet gun, a police official told The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity. The pilot was rushed to the same hospital as many of the victims and underwent surgery.
BTW, the Captain is alive. He tried to slit his wrists and shot himself with a BB gun
And for us busfans this does have something to do with buses.
Every one that knows Staten Island knows that the St George ferry
terminal is the nerve that keeps Staten Island moving. Even for the
subway fans(SIR).
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Your right it shouldn't be the case.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
"we need Rail because if something goes wrong on the ferry for some reason, atleast they have a fast alternative"
Seems to me that other than yesterday, it's highly unusual for the ferry to suffer any delays whatsoever. The reality is that as much as I like rail transit, the ferry has never suffered anything near the delays that the subway system has.
As for a "fast alternative," how much time would we really save if a rail connection were built from SI to the 4th Avenue line? The R train from 86th street to Whitehall probably takes an easy 35 minutes (best case.) During rush hour with back ups at Dekalb, it could take quite a bit longer. Crossing the harbor would easilly take another 10 minutes.
The ferry takes 20-25 minutes from St. George to Whitehall. Exactly what are we improving if we do away with the ferry and throw everyone onto an already crowded 4th Avenue line?
I still think however SI deserves a few commuter rail lines off the island. Hoboken, some place in southern NJ(like pricenton), Jamaica, and MAYBE some place in Manhattan.
I think a very long time ago they tried building a subway line
to Staten Island from Brooklyn but they stopped it for som reason
But it they we're to extend the R line to Staten Island from 86 st
where will it stop on Staten Island?
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
FYI: The R44 can not go 70 MPH anymore, I believe it has been modified and its maximum speed is that of the other NYC subway cars.
Actually I do believe they can reach that speed because the R46, R68/A can go about 60 mph in that tunnel between queens and manhattan on the N, R & W Lines (I forget the name, lol), so maybe the R44s have that potential.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
"That tunnel" is the 60th Street tube, just go look at a subway map to figure that out. I doubt the R44s (or any NYC subway car) has the potential to go that fast without the help of a long, fairly steep downgrade.
Comments please.
There were plans to build a subway via 59 Street on the R line or an IND line via Ft. Hamilton Pkwy in the 1920's and 30's. Someone can come up with plans about those lines. They've been posted in here.
1. Cross Harbor Tunnel from Bay Ridge to ST. GEORGE, not NJ. This would allow for passenger service from St George terminal to Bay Ridge, ENY, and Jamaica. A new rail line on the Gowanus ROW(tunnel the gowanus expressway) from Bay Ridge to just north of Red Hook, then via the new east river tunnel to downtown.
2. Bayonne Bridge rail. The bridge was built to carry trains too. Run trains under HBLR( there was originally a cut below it that they filled in) to Hoboken
3. AK lift bridge. Run trains from St. George terminal on North Shore line, over the bridge and into NJ. Run a line to somewhere in NJ, and maybe one to midtown.
The tunnel would be 2 tracks with two options when entering SI:
1. The first station Being St. George for connection to busses and SIRT, with the Line continuing along the refurbished north shore line to the Port Richmond Bus terminal.
or
2. The line terminating at St. George. (using SIRT's Platforms) With Transfer to a new SIRT island Platform station. The original platforms are moved further back from the Ferry Terminal, with the SIRT station depressed between, with walkways crossing over to the terminal (similar to the walkways over the Lex line at union square). And steps/ramps/elevators. half way in to go down to the Island Platform. The SIRT Will now run from Port Richmond Bus terminal, to its current end at Tottenville.
While this should be on Subtalk, I think the W, NOT the Q would make more sense don't you think?
Any comments or other ideas?
Michael
Wash, DC
My plan had the buses going to Brooklyn, not Manhattan. Having the buses go to Manhattan would mean the buses would never make it back for second trips. One way to ensure the best service (educated guess here, I don't know SI travel patters at all) would be to have one half to two thirds of the buses during morning rush hour operate in the peak direction only (to Brooklyn) then deadhead back to their SI terminal and do another trip to Brooklyn and so on. Obviously, they would do the reverse in the afternoon and evening.
I wonder if the NYCTA can add trains to the R or at least run short turns to Whitehall, as someone else on SubTalk suggested. Keep in mind that the other Brooklyn to Manhattan lines will be able to absorb some of the additional ridership since many SI Ferry passengers do not immediately get on the N or R at Whitehall once they get off the ferry.
Wayne
There doesn't seem to be a decision about service for tomorrow morning yet. If there is one, no one has posted it.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Also saw an MCI from UP loaded with passengers transporting to SI.
Also saw an Orion 7 and C40LFs from JG going over the bridge with passengers.
I think there even was RTSs from UP, but not too sure.
The shuttles in NYC from downtown used buses (MCIs) pulled from X1 and X10 runs, as well as the 3XX Misc runs. They were signed as SUBWAY SHUTTLE and were taking people to Victory and Bay, where they could get the train or transfer to most of the local buses.
Absolutely a total tragedy. I'm pretty sure there was a SI Ferry that crashed into a seawall in a fog and never got to the Whitehall terminal.
Michael
Washington, DC
Its better to just run shuttle buses from the 59 St station for that matter [less congestion there than 86 and more better to handle the lines of buses] to St. George and as you said these R trains start from Whitehall but would have to run VERY frequently. People who need the S53 & S79 could go straight to 86 St and go along their way. The Brooklyn depots [and 126] would have to take part no doubt but what about CAS & YUK, could they join in on the operation w/o using too many spares? As someone said previously, this would most likely be a citywide effort.
BTW, how was it handled yesterday?
Don't worry. A way will be found to ensure that only City residents pay for Nassau's bus service.
Notes:Some of the numbers are from memory, as the sheet of paper I was logging the buses on blew away.
First I saw what appeared to be an ex-JFK shuttle bus, number 104 going down Jericho turnpike east in Carle Place. Guess they are starting to scrap buses in anticipation of the airtrain.
Was riding #284 back when I saw a roach crawling around one of the seats. Guess all the newspaper and food wrappers aint too good either. Now I know what those roach traps on the floor are for!
Also saw some tree branches down, amazingly no power outages seen.
All buses today were on time, despite the bad weather.
Posted on:10/15/03 10:23 PM
NYC TRANSIT SERVICE
DUE TO STATEN ISLAND FERRY SUSPENSION
While the Staten Island Ferry remains suspended, NYC Transit will continue to provide a Free Shuttle Bus between the 86th Street/4th Avenue Station in Bay Ridge and the St. George Ferry Terminal on Staten Island. In addition, there will also be additional S79 and S53 buses to take passengers between Bay Ridge and Staten Island.
The Staten Island Railroad will operate Shuttle service from the Stapleton and Clifton Stations to St. George. In addition, Staten Island Railroad will operate along its normal route from St. George to Tottenville.
Orion V CNG #314 in Glen Cove
Orion V diesel 618 in Glen Cove. Latest word is these are going to be retired real soon and replaced by buses in the 400 series (by more Orion V CNG's I assume)
An evening N35 run down through Westbury
Orion V CNG #314 in Glen Cove
Orion V diesel 618 in Glen Cove. Latest word is these are going to be retired real soon and replaced by buses in the 400 series (by more Orion V CNG's I assume)
An evening N35 run down through Westbury
In California.... we dont have very much full size ferry use and I find it fascinating as they are just as much of the transportation system as buses, Taxis and light rail. It seems that if this huge piece of equipment went into the pier at full speed... it sure held up very well. As you dont hear about many ferry accidents in the USA... I am sure they will have investigators from the FTA and also the manufacturer to make sure this doesnt happen again. Our hearts are out to the people affected with this tragedy.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
Michael
Washington, DC
As for the SI Ferries...
The three Kennedy class boats are 1965 vintage (American Legion II, Gov. Herbert H. Lehman, John F. Kennedy) The were built somewhere down in Texas or Louisiana.
The two Babrberi class boats are 1981-2, built right on Staten Island from what I understand
The Austen and Noble, built in the mid-1980's, came from Derecktor Shipyard in Rhode Island.
And the newest three are being made in Manitowoc, Wisconsin.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
But now that you mention....there are some larger ferries in our state. GGT has the three large ones plus a smaller one (the smaller one was a Catalina boat originally) and then there is the Catalina fleets. None of these are as big as the large SI ferry boats, though. And then there's the outfit out of Vallejo that runs to SF, they have a couple of these high-speed boats (similar to the WSF "Snohomish") that kick up one hell of a rooster tail behind them at speed.
There are numerous little ferries all through Oregon from what I've seen on maps...never did venture off I-5 to check them out, but I'd guess they are very small from their locations.
But, the real big guys out here are definitely Seattle and British Columbia....
The two Babrberi class boats are 1981-2, built right on Staten Island from what I understand
The Austen and Noble, built in the mid-1980's, came from Derecktor Shipyard in Rhode Island.
And the newest three are being made in Manitowoc, Wisconsin
The last ferries for the SI run built on SI were the MERRILL class of 1950-51. They were also the last boats built by Bethlehem Steel at the Staten Island plant.
The KENNEDY class was built in Orange, Tx.
The BARBERI and NEWHOUSE were built in Louisiana by Equitable Shipyards.
There are a few carriers, notably NY Waterway.
2. Are the ferries run by NYMTA/NJT and do they use operators in the same sense as the buses?
The SI ferry is run by the DOT and the MTA & NJT doesn't have anything to do with water service AFAIK.
4. What years are these ferries?
On the SI ferry, all of them are at least 20 years old.
NY Waterway
NY water taxi
Fast Ferry(is this still running?)
SI Ferry(NYCDOT)
Circle Line
and there may be one or 2 more that I'm forgetting
NY waterway is by far the biggest company.
There also used to be Fox Navigation, but Idk if they're still running.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW JERSEY!!!!!!
Only the DC Bustalkers will get it;-)
Welcome to Bustalk MW, I'm surprised it took you this long to come on over here from BTCO. You know me on there as my alter ego Perry. : )
or rideonrules;-) man is he gonna be irked;-)
The route with the most trippers is the 73 - Bellfort Crosstown, with 4 school trippers all leaving at the same time, two minutes after a regular trip. I'm going to have to check that out. Must be alot of hoodrats on those buses.
How does NYC operate trippers? Do they start in front of the school, are along the route. Do they use the oldest buses? Ours don't because we only have a handful of buses purchased before 1992. I think the oldest bus in the fleet is 2469, a 1990 Ikarus. Most of them use 3300 series New Flyers or 1993 Ikarus dual fuel buses from what I've seen.
Anymore info on school trippers would be appreciated. I'm just bored.
Q58 to Junction Blvd uses mostly 1995 O5 Buses
Q88 to Woodhaven Blvd uses eather a 1995 O5 Suburbans or 1999 Nova RTS's
Also theres 2 school trippers that start at Melbrone and 147 on the Q20 and those trippers normally uses 1993 O5 Suburbans. Also there's an Q74 that starts at 147 St and it's normally a 1995 O5's
Those trips operate out of Casey Stengel Depot, which is all Orion V (for local service).
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Q88 to Woodhaven Blvd uses eather a 1995 O5 Suburbans or 1999 Nova RTS's
Q88 is at Queens Village, which has both RTS's and Orion V's.
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Also theres 2 school trippers that start at Melbrone and 147 on the Q20 and those trippers normally uses 1993 O5 Suburbans. Also there's an Q74 that starts at 147 St and it's normally a 1995 O5's
The Melbourne Avenue trips serve Townsend Harris High School. For some reason, suburbans have a way of showing up there.
Maybe it's because they almost always show up on the Q74, which also serves that school.
NYC Transit used to operate school specials. In 1989, UMTA (now the FTA) ruled that the specials were not permissible because...
(1) they were reserved for students, and thus discriminated against non-students;
(2) buses reserved for children had to be painted "school-bus" yellow;
(3) reserving for one particular rider group constituted chartering, which public agencies are not permitted to do if a private carrier is capable of providing comparable equipment and service.
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The route with the most trippers is the 73 - Bellfort Crosstown, with 4 school trippers all leaving at the same time, two minutes after a regular trip. I'm going to have to check that out.
The NYC school with the most trippers is Tottenville High School on Staten Island, with (last time I checked) 77 trips spread out over three dismissals.
In contrast, the entire borough of Manhattan has fewer than 10 trippers, due to high population density as well as frequent "line" bus service and/or subway service near each school.
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How does NYC operate trippers? Do they start in front of the school, are along the route.
If the school happens to be along the route, the trip can just start there and go. If a school is within one-half mile of a route, Transit may legally start an off-line trip at the school; the trip will then join the route and make all regular stops.
One school even has "combination" trippers: some buses at Tottenville High School leave on route S56, travel two or three miles, then become S74's and continue a few more miles.
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Do they use the oldest buses?
A tripper will generally use whatever is available (other than the over-the-road express coaches), especially if it's immediately preceded or followed by a "regular" trip.
Ulmer Park:
B1,B6,B36,B74.
Jackie Gleason:
B9,B16,B35,B63.
East New York:
unknown.
Flatbush:
B41,B44,B46,B47,B49.
basically, i dont beleive they put older buses on the trips. They put whatever they have in the garage. Personally, i remember when Ulmer Park still had the 5500's Blitz, and they handled a bulk of the school trippers.
B1-#4787-TMCRTS
B64-#8676-TMC
Jackie Gleason:
B8, B37, B67, B69, not B35
East New York:
B7, B12, B25, B60, B82
Flatbush:
B31
Fresh Pond:
B13, B38, B48, Q54, Q58
David
In '68 we started riding the 'Fishbowls'...GM and Flixible.
I loved riding the NYCT buses to school and always thought the Varsity Transit buses were small potatoes in comparison.
I recently posted..last Sunday, about our driver who let us step on the accelerator going up a long steep hill, and what delicious albiet illegal fun that was!
They always ran on regular route signs or special routes(ie 4xx were school trips) The bus stops all had the route numbers and on the afternoon trip they all line up surrounding the building and pass all the stops of people wanting to get on the trippers.
David
David
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Route 0n and 0s(Central HS To Central Station Or Dunlap Avenue), Route 10s (Camelback HS To Central Station), 17e and 17w (Trevor Brown HS & Carl Hayden HS To Central Avenue Or Desert Sky Mall) & Route 50e (Alhambra HS To Central Avenue).
Route #10 trippers always had an MANN (70xx) Artic for It's 4 PM school Tripers and 6 Regular Trips.
Route #17 Pm Trippers Originate At Trevor Brown HS (Student (6-18 or School ID)Bordings Only) and Run Dropoff Only N on 75th Avenue, E on Indian School Road then S on 67th Avenue then Resuming Full Local Service (All Passengers) Eastbound On McDowell Road To Central Avenue.
Notes: Nothin but doggy Cummins buses today. Most of em were slow too, I'd say about 0-30mph in 25 seconds. Bus #104 on the N32 was the worst of em all, could barely get above 30mph. And it stalled out in the middle of a turn in Lynbrook, fortunately started right back up again.
I tell ya that N32 gets packed, SRO most of time between Lynbrook and the Peninsula.
BTW, a word of advise: when you first mention MTA in something like a handbill/flyer/leaflet you might want to spell out the initials so that those not familiar with them will know what org. you are referring to. Sorry, but Nassau County has alot of senior citizens and they might not pick up on the 'MTA' reference without spelling it out first.
The way I see though, is that something does come of it. Poor maintenance, and over time, the end of several services. I've printed out a lot of them, and will be passing them out on my trip tomarrow.
The million dollar question is: How do you get the city to put back the 100 million dollars?
SOLUTION #1 Force Tom to caugh up the money
Lets face it, Toms' not going to buy those old, bankrupted bus lines unless he gets MORE than 100 million. Trying to get Tom to put up the money won't work.
SOLUTION #2 Have the city withdraw it's demand on the private lines to buy new buses
While this is a temporary solution, it won't be enough. These lines still want the 100 million dollars or they're out of business.
SOLUTION #3 Use some of the 9/11 money or about 500 million.
This will enable the private lines enough time to double the fare so in five years, they can buy brand new buses
SOLUTION #4 Borrow the money and put tolls on the East River Bridges to pay the loans back.
This is one of my best solutions but there may not be enough time
SOLUTION #5 Double the Muni-Meter rates and parking fines to pay $100 million
Another great solution but there may not be eough time. I'm on a roll folks.
SOLUTION #6 Raise Property taxes on LI residents.
Look. If these people wanted to live 50 miles from the city, they are going to have to pay for it. The days of living tens of miles from the city and having cheap public transport are over
SOLUTION #7 Raise the fare on the LI Railroad to pay for the 100 million.
Sorry folks. These are desparate times which call for desparate measure.
SOLUTION #8 Raise the Metrocard to $2.50 a ride
I'm against this one but folks on this board weren't effected one way or another.
SOLUTION #9 Start a community bicycle program.
Don't laugh. I've seen this done in some towns in Europe. They place free bicycles all over town and it's free for anyone who wants to use one.
SOLUTION #10 Do nothing.
I think this is the solution most likely to happen. Seriously. The LI bus will become commuter lines similar to NJ Transit rail. Some of the money will appear on the table during the 12th hour but you can bet it will be a fraction of $100 million.
SOLUTION #1 Force Tom to caugh up the money
Lets face it, Toms' not going to buy those old, bankrupted bus lines unless he gets MORE than 100 million. Trying to get Tom to put up the money won't work.
SOLUTION #2 Have the city withdraw it's demand on the private lines to buy new buses
While this is a temporary solution, it won't be enough. These lines still want the 100 million dollars or they're out of business.
SOLUTION #3 Use some of the 9/11 money or about 500 million.
This will enable the private lines enough time to double the fare so in five years, they can buy brand new buses
SOLUTION #4 Borrow the money and put tolls on the East River Bridges to pay the loans back.
This is one of my best solutions but there may not be enough time
SOLUTION #5 Double the Muni-Meter rates and parking fines to pay $100 million
Another great solution but there may not be eough time. I'm on a roll folks.
Wait a minute, are you talking about Long Island Bus? Or are you talking about the private NYC bus companies? NYC and Nassau finance issues are not joint.
SOLUTION #6 Raise Property taxes on LI residents.
Look. If these people wanted to live 50 miles from the city, they are going to have to pay for it. The days of living tens of miles from the city and having cheap public transport are over
Thats rediculous, the property taxes are ALREADY high enough. Not only that, property taxes have JUST been raised, AND Nassau residents have been getting an ADDITIONAL increase in taxes from the re-assessment! Also, to be technical, a very small percentage (if any at all) of Nassau County, which is what LIBus Serves, is 50 miles from the city. The most used bus routes are within 10 miles of the City limits(Queens).
SOLUTION #7 Raise the fare on the LI Railroad to pay for the 100 million.
Sorry folks. These are desparate times which call for desparate measure.
The fare is high enough and has just been raised.
SOLUTION #8 Raise the Metrocard to $2.50 a ride
I'm against this one but folks on this board weren't effected one way or another.
Folks on this board weren't effected one way or another?
I wouldn't care if they kept the unlimited rides at $70. Otherwise i WOULD care.
SOLUTION #9 Start a community bicycle program.
Don't laugh. I've seen this done in some towns in Europe. They place free bicycles all over town and it's free for anyone who wants to use one.
How do they keep track of bikes?
When most people ride the bus, its distances they wouldn't want to ride on a bike.
SOLUTION #10 Do nothing.
I think this is the solution most likely to happen. Seriously. The LI bus will become commuter lines similar to NJ Transit rail. Some of the money will appear on the table during the 12th hour but you can bet it will be a fraction of $100 million.
Commuter lines? Thats what the LIRR is.
I agree that property taxes are ALREADY high enough. I also know they were already raised and re-assessments are going up everywhere as property values are going through the roof. Since Washinton abondoned the cities, the burden of financing local govenment has been placed on the homeowner.
Regardless. Your options are more expensive if you:
1. Drive to work
2. Move to Brooklyn/Manhattan/Jersey/Staten Island
3. Move within walking distance of the railroad
Look. There is no more money. Where's Tom going to get the cash for new buses and those hefty union contracts? He is under NO obligation to buy out those bankrupt bus lines so whatever money is dropped on the table during negotiations will not be enough.
I gave some options but I haven't seen anyone place theirs?
Is crap like this going on near where you are?
On weekends, it's torture. Buses take sometimes up to 30 minutes to arrive, but even then, it may be longer. Though I have to give some credit that the buses are usually not crowded. The biggest issue I find though is bus bunching. Whenever I'm waiting for a bus at Main Street, the same thing happens every time. The line I'm at builds up considerably, I wait for a long time, usually 15 minutes and two buses arrive at the same time. What I find at fault here is why does this always happen? I'm guessing is that there is ZERO coordination whatsoever between the drivers and they, in fact, refuse it. What's even more aggravating is that crowded bus hangs around while the other speeds away.
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I also thought the rear areas configuration was interesting. Are all the RTS's like that?
BIG AL
B1-#9319-NOVABUS
8014, 8075, 8098, 8099, 8167, 8316, 8397(7)
Big Al, please don't tell me Fresh Pond is going start another shortage, losing buses without replacements. Last time it went down to 235 buses, which later brought in those damn KB hand-downs to stop the shortage.
Now I'm not saying another shortage is likely to happen, but that's two 1990 RTS's down in one month! And did they fix Flushing Av yet? The B57 might be the reason for killing the 8014, 3900's(heh heh heh), and 4600's/4700's.
Also about getting rid of 4683 and 4684 to UP(hey, you UP guys don't get mad, you got our 9176-9185). I see nothing wrong, but even after the 8500's and 9400's, FP still needs enough 4700's for service. I don't mind the 87'RTS now since they are no longer dominent in FP now (the 98'RTS are:) ), but they're still needed.
And about 8167, was is that the only bus that with the different wiring? Were there any other buses that had problems when being repowered?
Damn, I haven't made a post this long in awhile. I usually type about one or 2 sentences.
-Jay
(DaLaziGamer@aol.com)
BIG AL
BIG AL
I find this hilarious as about three years ago, when they were scrapping the 1982 RTS suburban coaches, they sent PA1767 to ENY to have it's bulkhead fixed. Also, I'd like to know what exactly is a bulkhead.
B1-#4779-TMC
B64-#9094-NOVABUS
2)The black trim looked like it was painted by hand. It wasn't completely straight, especially by the back "hump" behind the windows.
Sigh, it's funny. I had all these bus models you can't get anymore, like an MC9 and trailways eagle and SEPTA Flxible, and now they are all in horrible condition (the MC9 is in pieces...I was very little when I got it back then)
I wish they modeled the Neoplans or NABI's at least since I've never been on a SEPTA flexible(which doesn't exist).
-F.
I really wish that they did model a SEPTA Neoplan, I would've bought one years ago. I remember seeing a model of a SEPTA Neo so many years ago, it was under a christmas tree in what I guess was the transit museum, but I never saw it again...
Anyway, you know SEPTA and modelling. They have RTSs in the new SEPTA livery, and have all of the MCI models in the SEPTA paint scheme, apparently representing 6001, and SEPTA's not even getting MCIs!
-F.
Speaking of spare parts, did you ever hear of Road Champs putting white wheels on the buses before the silver ones on more recent models?
I haev replaced a few wheel sets myself, using HO scale wheels from either Athearn or A-Line (both California-based model railroad manufacturers.)
We have to track down those neoplan models. I saw a septa neoplan 'fridge magnet on ebay recently, so i guess there's stuff somewhere.
I haven't seen the RTS magnet or the NABI magnet for a while, though.
MetroB
-F.
MetroB
You can tell the Market Frankford Line and get off at 13th or 11th, or get off at Suburban STation on Regional rail and walk through City Hall.
MetroB
-F.
Sellers screen name is "Almondjoy618". If you do a seller search under that name you'll come to the items.
Disclaimer: I am not "Almondjoy618" nor affiliated in any way with him/her.
-F.
-F.
Road Champs has been out of business for some timenow. They were sold from the owners in Caldwell, NJ to a bunch of people in Malibu, California....and then production stopped altogether about four years ago.
There have NOT been any new runs of their stuff since.
They do NOT have a web site.
1990-1991 TMC RTS-06
8000-8001, 8005-8006, 8012, 8015-8017, 8021, 8024, 8026, 8032, 8035-8036, 8038-8046, 8048-8050, 8052, 8054-8057, 8059, 8062, 8066, 8069-8074, 8076-8087, 8090-8091, 8093-8097, 8099-8101, 8106, 8109-8112, 8115-8117, 8120-8121, 8123, 8125-8127, 8130-8132, 8135-8136, 8139-8142, 8146, 8148, 8150, 8152, 8154-8157, 8159-8160, 8162, 8164-8166, 8168-8172, 8174-8176, 8180-8191, 8194-8195, 8197, 8199, 8205, 8212, 8214, 8216-8218, 8220, 8222, 8229, 8232, 8237-8240, 8242, 8244-8247, 8249-8250, 8252-8253, 8256, 8258-8262, 8264, 8266, 8269, 8275-8276, 8281, 8283, 8286, 8290-8291, 8293, 8295-8297, 8299, 8301, 8303-8305, 8307-8312, 8314-8315, 8317, 8319-8322, 8324, 8326-8327, 8330-8331, 8336, 8340, 8343, 8345-8346, 8349-8350, 8352, 8355-8358, 8360, 8362-8365, 8367, 8370-8373, 8375, 8377-8396
1993 TMC RTS-06
8401-8564
1993 Orion 05.501
101, 105, 107, 109-120, 122-125, 127-128, 131-137, 140-174, 177, 179-194, 196-211, 213-221, 223-230, 232, 234-246, 248-266, 268-274, *276-309, 312-313, 315-316
* - Buses #291-294 were already came with the DD 50 Series Engines.
I have not begun to do the Orion 05.501 CNGs yet. If there are ANY corrections, please let me know. I'll be posting the REPAINTED 1999 NovaBus RTS-06 buses since they are the last to receive it. Also, I'll be posting the buses with their side destination signs raised!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
1990 TMC #8072, #8081 are NOT repowered as of yet...
1990 TMC #8068, 8201, 8205, 8210-8211, and 8294 ARE repowered...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
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Now to the 1990/1991 NON-Repowers that I know of:
8002-8004,8007-8009,8011,8013,8014,8018,8019,8022-8025,8028-8031,8037,8049,8051,8067,8068,8072,8088,8089,8090,8092,8093,8102-8105,8107,8108,8113,8115,8118,8122,8124,8128,8129,8132,8134,8142-8145,8149-8151,8153,8161-8163,8165,8167,8169,8173,8177,8208-8211,8234,8268,8283,8285,8289,8294,8302,8306,8313,8318,8323,8325,8326,8328,8329,8331-8333,8335,8339,8341-8344,8347-8351,8353,8361,8364,8369,8370,8385
BIG AL
Included are:
SF Muni Custom PCC (Landor Scheme) Corgi PCC
SF Muni Custom T8H5305A original colors Corgi
Riverside Transit Agency (California (Custom Corgi TDH5304
Long Island Rail Road Corgi GM fishbowl suburban
Modified Golden Gate Transit GM fishbowl suburban
Easy way to see all of thse? Go to seller sjh50.
Thanks!!
1999 NovaBUS RTS-06
4902, 4905, 4919, 4926-4927, 4935, 4939, 4946-4947, 4949-4950, 4952-4954, 4959-4963, 4965-4966, 4971, 4978, 4986, 4988-4989, 4991, 4993, 4995, 4998, 5005, 5015, 5023-5025, 5034, 5039, 5045, 5056-5062, 5065-5067, 5073, 5113-5114, 5120, 5125-5127, 5130, 5133-5134, 5139, 5143, 5145-5146, 5150, 5155, 5160, 5164, 5168-5169, 5177, 5184, 5190, 5196, 5203, 5216-5217, 5226, 5231, 5235, 5242-5243, 5245, 5249
1999 Orion 05.501
6010, 6015, 6035, 6044, 6049, 6075, 6077, 6101, 6120, 6136, 6181, 6334, 6348
1999-2000 New Flyer D60HF "Galaxy" Articulated
5250
I noticed that some 1998 NovaBus RTS-06 #9386, #9412 and #9425 from Flatbush as well as #9511 from Manhattanville are not repainted...however I could be wrong so PLEASE correct me on this list. I'll post the buses that have their side destination signs raised!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Thank you.
Atlanta BusTalkers???? Also - Does CCT still have their Metros? I recall seeing a few 35-foot Metro-B w/Cummins L-10.
Wayne
Considering that the New Flyer D40(HF)s at MARTA are now 13, the Flxibles that came before them probably are gone. And if not all of them, at least the vast majority of them. I do know this: more recently, the remaining Flxibles were assigned to routes south of I-20. There might still be a very few hanging around, but MARTA's last Flxibles arrived in 1988, so it doesn't look good.
I'd venture to say that the recent/current Orion VII order (2101-2230) is intended to wipe out the last of the Flxibles. And if they're receiving them as slowly as MTA is, then it might still be a while!
Incidentally, I can't stand MARTA's fleet numbering.
Whoa, are you telling me that MARTA is also getting rid of the 1700s and 1800s? If that's the case, it's a good thing that I took these.
New York City Express Buses that have been converted to local buses
1993 Orion 05.501
146, 165
1995 Orion 05.501
1996 NovaBus RTS-06
9251-9252, 9254-9259, 9264, 9273, 9284
New York City Express Buses that have their side destination signs raised
1993 TMC RTS-06
8401-8566
1993 Orion 05.501
1994 TMC RTS-06
8600-8607, 8609-8690, 8692-8703
1995-1996 NovaBus RTS-06
8782, 8915, 8928, 8967, 8981, 9062, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9221, 9223
1997-1998 NovaBus RTS-06
1999 NovaBus RTS-06
4965-4987
Again, please post ANY corrections and....ENJOY!!!!! I can't wait to hear the responses!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
So, answer my crazy question, all you guys who would know.. maybe it's the newer buses, I don't know, I don't live in NYC any longer.
Which is the fastest ever? I drive race cars, so speed is somewhat of an obsession.
*By the way, in one of my INTERCITY MOTORCOACH books, the ACF BRILL is remembered as being loved by it's drivers back in the 50's because of it's speed.
Wayne
Mark
Thanks to all who responded. Sorry, I have nothing to offer in terms of the modern era in NYC Transit, I haven't used it in years, but I have very clear and fond memories of the 50's and 60's buses and trains. This great website/message board is a source of nostalgia for me.
The best routes to ride them on are the M98 along Harlem River Drive and whenever there is the GO on the Far Rockaway "A" train and riding the buses across the Jamaica Bay.
21 BRIGGS CHENEY
21 BURTONSVILLE
40 WHITE FLINT
40 GLENMONT
The 81 seems to be gone.
When I was taking pictures of the "21 to Burtonsville", someone actually came up to the bus and tried to get on.
Also, what kinda screwy block number is 38PM?
You mean to tell me you've never looked at a First Transit bus block sign? And no, I didn't pull the number 38 out of the blue.
1. Mineola to Hempstead
2. Hempstead to Roosevelt Field
3. Roosevelt Field to either Mineola or Hicksville.
4. one or to marches on the south shore
Notes:destination sign was out on 142 and had to use paper signs. Also LI Bus is asking people to participate in a survey, they were out in Mineola. The survey will be a phone call, and I will definately be participating.
If the picture doesn't come out, go to washingtonpost.com and click the Metro section and look for the DC Sniper photo gallery.
anyone have the times in both directions
SO NONE IS NOT THE CORRECT ANSWER(unless they changed the trips in the past few months)
After thats done, I boarded the 10:20 MARC Penn Line train, lead by GP40D #63 and I rode in Mefersa coach #7706. The ride was good but the seats were TERRIBLY unconfortable and along the way, we found a body on the tracks.
Afterwards, we proceeded on to Penn Station, where I took this picture of my ride up there.
Then, I rode LRV #5047 down to Baltimore Street/Convention center. While waiting 30 splendid minutes for a 20 bus, I helped myself to this unusual photographic opportunity.
After my 20 finally arrived (NABI #0072), I rode her to Baltimore Travel Plaza where I wish to eat since I haven't eaten the entire day. I helped myself to possibly the only A&W restaurant on the east coast and ate while watching Peter Pan and Greyhound buses move back and forth before my eyes ;-)
Afterwards, I rode the 20 to Eastern ave (same bus, 0072). There, I got a picture of Eastern division.
I then took the route 23 with bus #9904 to Howard Street. A tourist comes up to me and asks me how to get to BWI airport, since the light rail suspension and the shuttle service is so complicated and she has a tough time understanding, I decided to come along with her and guide her to her destination. We boarded LRV #5047 (again), which we rode to Convention Centre station. Then we took shuttle Flxible #8727 to Patapsco where I showed her the appropriate LRV to board that will bring her to BWI and I wished her a good journey.
I boarded shuttle Flxible #8611 which I rode back to Camden Yards.
I then boarded LRV #5047 (AGAIN!) and rode that up to Baltimore Street. Then I took the 20 (NABI 99xx) and rode it one stop eastward to Charles St. There, I went underground and entered the Boopway. I took the first Owings Mill-bound boopway to Reisterstown Plaza and getting a nice view of the BoopWay facility (I have this feeling they store the Rehabbed MTA cars most visible to the subway line to intimidate transit fans) I also got a load of some 20 second frequency.
I boarded the next boopway and rode it one stop down to Rogers Ave, Where I got a better view of the MTA Facility.
And this spectacular pose.
Ready to take the next Boopway back into Downtown, I get a BIG surprise booping it's way into the station.
Yep! Thats right, a Rehabbed MTA Subway Car.
Ohh what a beauty and such an improvement. (good job, MTA!)
I rode her back to Lexington Market where I came up from under ground and rode the 23 (87xx) one street east to Howard St. After being attracted and tempted by the sight of a sexy Neoplan AN440LF, I couldn't help but ride one on the 20 (02xx) one stop west, where I got off and walked back east to Howard St. Then I boarded LRV #5047 (yet AGAIN!) and rode her down to Camden Yards, hoping to take the MARC 5:15 Camden line back to Union Station. After being disgusted by the sights of a consist consisting of all Mafersa cars, I hopped back on LRV #5024 and rode her up to Penn Station in hopes of finding a Kawasaki on the 5:25 Penn Line down to DC. My hopes came true, the 5:25 Penn Line to DC had 4 Kawasakis and 2 Mafersas, naturally, I rode in the Kawasaki ;-)
*Drools*
Well anyways, I rode that thing of Beauty down to Union Station, spotting 2 MARC HHP8s going northbound on the Penn Line (pulling a consist of 8 cars each!)
After Arriving at Union Station, I helped myself to the scent of Diesel Fumes and MARC layups.
Oooooo
Ahhhhh *mops up my drool* Alright, Enough waterworks.
From there, I took Red Line Breda #30xx to Silver Spring, Ride On route 5 Orion V #5708 to white flint, and then route 46 Orion V 5561 to my home stop. I got home at 8:15, that is my story ;-)
You can see all of these photos and MANY more that I haven't posted on this post at http://photos.transitgallery.com/DC-Transit , look in Album: Baltimore Excursion:10/17/03.
Enjoy!
I need to take another trip up to Baltimore and ride around. I saw one of those rehabbed subway cars about 3 years ago in the rail yard. I arranged an analyst field trip where we rode the MARC up to Camden and they picked us up in a van and we toured Bush Division, the LR operations center and the subway rail yard where there was a rehabbed car sitting there and they let us get on and look around. I was pretty much the only one in the group really interested. We did get a chance to go into this big room that had all these electronic relay gadgets. That was pretty cool. It sounded like being in a room full of clocks, "tick tock tick tock"
Actually, Wednesday I'm going up to Baltimore to get our marriage license, but I don't think I'm going to have much time to do any riding of transit vehicles. If I have my way, we'll park at Cromwell and take the LR but have to transfer to those shuttles where I think at that point, we wont need our license as Pam will kill me for doing this knowing that we had to switch to a shuttle.
Man I need to get up to B-more soon, I haven't been up there in ages. Did get another ride on the DASH's Orion Ones, as well as some pics. In fact I have ridden more Orion Ones for DASH in the last two months than the years when they were in service since they were delivered, kind of odd.
On a bus related note, you can see a wide variety of DART buses pass by - Gillig low floors and high floors, NABI low floors and high floors, and some Ford/HellDorado cutaways (used by Krapf's on the 60-series lines; yes, this is the same Krapf's from suburban Philly, but they operate under the name Gregg's). Occasionally, you can see a MCI pull into the mall on the inter-county service between Wilmington and Dover.
There's another one at Broad-Girard (I think it's a Checkers, don't hold me to it); come April, you'll be able to see not only buses along Broad St, but the new (actually rehabbed) PCC-II trolleys along Girard Av.
The third one that I know of is deep in North Philly at 22 St/Dauphin. I think the 7 and 39 go by Dauphin, while the 33 heads up and down 22 St. You can see the artics along 22 St (on the 33) and a mix of Southern New Flyers working the 7 (with an occasional 3300 or NABI tossed in) and Midvale buses - anything from ElDorados to Neos to an occasional NABI or New Flyer can cover the 39; there haven't been too many ElDos on the 39 in recent months, but you may still occasionally see one or two.
BTW, do Ride-On and MontCo Public Schools share a garage at Shady Grove, or are they separate facilities?
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Bx2 LIMITED(after local finishes its Sunday trips to/from 231st Street) Sunday 10:30am - 4:30pm
Bx12 LIMITED - Weekdays 6:00am - 9:00pm Saturday 7:00am - 8:00pm Sunday 8:00am -7:00pm
Bx41 LIMITED...Weekdays 6:00am-7:00pm
Bx55 LIMITED To Gun Hill Road Weekdays 4:30am-10:00pm, to Fordham Plaza 10:10pm-1:30am
Weekends to Gun Hill Road 8:00am-8:30pm, to Fordham Plaza 8:40pm-1:00am, 4:30am-7:50am
Bx55 buses may alternate between Fordham Plaza and Gun Hill Road until 5:30pm, when all buses would go to Gun Hill Road until the cut back time.
also Bx25 should run in both directions during rush hours to from Fordham/192 with the Bx28(saves time over Bx26 trip) while Bx26 still goes to W 205th Street(aka Bronx Science Blvd)
I think the Bx25 should run in both directions too.
For the Bx19, Limited stops should be at GC, Morris, The Hub, Prospect, and then on Southern Boulevard, at Longwood, 163, Westchester Avenue, Jennings, Louis Nine, Boston Road, Tremont Avenue, 180 Street, and all stops to Bronx Park.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Mark
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MetroB
But that being said, that is NOT what 'R142/143' is referring to. Its a current rumor that's getting louder and louder. I'll give you a hint. Just think about where the depot is located and it would be helpful to recall the original name of Michael J. Quill Depot.
Mark
MetroB
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#8672 - B6
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Sorry I didn't catch the bus number. :-(
7634-Bx6
K.Usagi,
West Farms Kid II
It was Number 7634.
Is that one of the brand new busses?
It sure didn't sound new. The bus sounded like it had a cold. When it started out of the bus stop, you could here it give off a raspy growl. :-)
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"Created by the Public Transportation Act of 1979, NJ TRANSIT was established to "acquire, operate and contract for transportation service in the public interest."
In 1980, NJ TRANSIT purchased Transport of New Jersey, the State's largest private bus company at that time. Between 1981-85, the services of several other bus companies were incorporated into NJ TRANSIT Bus Operations, Inc. On January 1, 1983, a second subsidiary, NJ TRANSIT Rail Operations, Inc. was launched to assume operations of commuter rail in the State after Congress ordered Consolidated Rail Corporation (Conrail) to cease its passenger operations. A third subsidiary, NJ TRANSIT Mercer, Inc., was established in 1984 when the agency assumed operation of bus service in the Trenton/Mercer County area. In 1992, following a full reorganization, all three subsidiaries were unified and operations were significantly streamlined."
But I don't know the answers to your other questions.
MetroB
Dec 3 1903 - Public Service Corporation (better known as Public Service Electric & Gas) entered the transportation industry by supplying power to Newark-area trolley lines
1907 - PS formed a subsidiary, Public Service Railway Company, to buy and operate trolley lines throughout NJ
c1925 - PS formed Public Service Transportation Company to operate buses where trolley service was not viable
c1928 - PSRC and PSTC were merged into Public Service Cooridinated Transport
c1945 - Public Service Interstate Transportation was formed to operate bus routes to NYC and Philadelphia; it was later merged into PSCT
1971 - PSCT was renamed (not taken over by) Transport of New Jersey
1974 - TNJ creates subsidiary Maplewood Equipment Company, which purchases 4 smaller NJ operators (Orange & Black, Intercity Lines, Northeast Coach, and Warwick Stages)
1979 - New Jersey Transit Corporation is formed bny the state to purchase and/or operate necessary transit services in NJ
Oct 15 1980 - NJT and PSE&G close on the sale of TNJ and MEC to the state.
Jul 1 1982 - TNJ and MEC are merged and renamed NJ Transit Bus Operations, Inc., the named used today.
On the Oct 15 1980 date, there were no service or route changes made from TNJ/MEC. The first reorganization was June 27 1981 when the Newark-area routes were thoroughly overhauled. Subsequent overhauls were made in Bergen, Hudson, Passaic, Union/Middlesex, Monmouth, and Mercer counties - one or two areas per year. In addition there were several route renumbering operations and privatization contracts created to make a more uniform system.
There never was the actual name "Public Service New Jersey." For a brief period in the 1940s and 50s, the words NEW JERSEY appeared around the ring-and-triangle logo on the sides of equipment. Incidentally, PSE&G used the same ring-and-triangle logo with one difference - there was a small lightning bolt inside the triangle to signify the utility operation instead of the transportation opereration. In 1973, PSE&G switched to a "sun" logo, and 1974, the TNJ "invisible N" logo was developed, retiring the ring and triangle.
S42 FERRY TERMINAL
S42 CLYDE PL
S42 HAVENWOOD RD
S44 FERRY TERMINAL
S44 YUKON AV
S46 FERRY TERMINAL
S46 SOUTH AV
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S76 FERRY TERMINAL
S76 DELWIT AV
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S78 MAIN ST
S79 MARSH AV
S79 FOURTH AV
S84 FERRY TERMINAL
S84 MAIN ST
S86 FERRY TERMINAL
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B8 MARINE AV
B9 AVENUE U
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B11 58 ST
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B12 OCEAN AV
B13 METROPOLITAN AV
B13 GATEWAY DR
B14 LINDEN BL
B14 UTICA AV
B15 BROADWAY
B15 KENNEDY AIRPORT
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B16 MARINE AV
B17 UTICA AV
B17 SEAVIEW AV
B17 80 ST
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B20 POSTAL FACILLITY RD
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B23 NEW UTRECHT AV
B24 MANHATTEN AV
B24 BROADWAY
B25 BROADWAY
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B26 WYCKOFF AV
B26 TILLARY ST
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B31 QUENTIN RD
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B35 FIRST AV
B36 GRAVESEND NECK RD
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B37 COURT ST
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B39 ALLEN ST
B39 BROADWAY
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B41 AVENUE U
B41 VETERANS AV
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B42 CANARSIE PIER LP
B43 BOX ST
B43 LINCOLN RD
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B45 COURT ST
B46 BROADWAY
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B47 AVENUE U
B48 GARDNER AV
B48 LINCOLN RD
B49 FULTON ST
B49 MACKENZIE ST
B51 BEEKMAN ST
B51 FULTON ST
B52 PALMETTO ST
B52 TILLARY ST
B54 WYCKOFF AV
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B57 BOERUM PL
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B63 SHORE RD
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B64 SURF AV
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B65 FULTON ST
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B70 POLY PL
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B71 VAN BRUNT ST
B74 SURF AV
B74 NEPTUNE AV
B75 SANDS ST
B75 EIGHTH AV
B77 FIFTH AV
B77 VAN BRUNT ST
B82 SEAVIEW AV
B82 STILLWELL AV
B83 FULTON ST
B83 SEAVIEW AV
M1 147 ST
M1 LAFAYETTE ST
M1 WHITEHALL ST
M2 AUDUBON AV
M2 LAFAYETTE ST
M3 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
M3 BROADWAY
M4 CABRINI BL
M4 SEVENTH AV
M5 BROADWAY
M5 HOUSTON ST
M6 SIXTH AV
M6 WHITEHALL ST
M7 147 ST
M7 UNIVERSITY PL
M8 AVENUE D
M8 CHRISTOPHER ST
M9 FOURTH AV
M9 LIBERTY ST
M10 159 ST
M10 31 ST
M11 RIVERSIDE DR
M11 BETHUNE ST
M14 WEST ST
M14 CHERRY ST
M14 COLUMBIA ST
M15 126 ST
M15 WHITEHALL ST
M15 PARK PL
M16 FIRST AV
M16 42 ST
M18 AUDUBON AV
M18 FIFTH AV
M20 BROADWAY
M20 LIBERTY ST
M21 FIRST AV
M21 HUDSON ST
M22 CHERRY ST
M22 VESEY ST
M22 SAINT JAMES PL
M23 AVENUE C
M23 22 ST
M50 FIRST AV
M50 42 ST
M57 YORK AV
M57 BROADWAY
M60 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
M60 BROADWAY
M66 YORK AV
M66 66 ST
M72 YORK AV
M72 FREEDOM PL
M79 YORK AV
M79 RIVERSIDE DR
M86 YORK AV
M86 BROADWAY
M96 FIRST AV
M96 BROADWAY
M98 CABRINI BL
M98 LEXINGTON AV
M100 BROADWAY
M100 THIRD AV
M101 190 ST
M101 THIRD AV
M102 147 ST
M102 THIRD AV
M103 LEXINGTON AV
M103 BEEKMAN ST
M104 AMSTERDAM AV
M104 FIRST AV
M106 FIRST AV
M106 BROADWAY
M116 PLEASANT AV
M116 BROADWAY
BX1 RIVERDALE AV
BX1 LINCOLN AV
BX2 FORT INDEPENDENCE ST
BX2 LINCOLN AV
BX3 BROADWAY
BX3 WADSWORTH AV
BX4 LANE AV
BX4 BERGEN AV
BX5 WESTCHESTER AV
BX5 SHORE RD
BX5 PARK DR
BX6 HALLECK ST
BX6 RIVERSIDE DR
BX7 RIVERDALE AV
BX7 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX8 WHITE PLAINS RD
BX8 TIERNEY PL
BX9 BROADWAY
BX9 BOSTON RD
BX10 RIVERDALE AV
BX10 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX11 WESTCHESTER AV
BX11 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX12 BROADWAY
BX12 BAY PLAZA BL
BX12 PARK DR
BX13 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX13 RIVER AV
BX13 ELTON AV
BX14 AMPERE AV
BX14 HUGH GRANT CR
BX15 FORDHAM RD
BX15 BROADWAY
BX16 ROPES AV
BX16 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX17 FORDHAM RD
BX17 WALNUT AV
BX18 MORRIS AV
BX18 SEDGWICK AV
BX19 FORDHAM RD
BX19 RIVERSIDE DR
BX20 246 ST
BX20 BROADWAY
BX21 LANE AV
BX21 LINCOLN AV
BX22 ZEREGA AV
BX22 BOSTON RD
BX22 VALENTINE AV
BX22 PAUL AV
BX25 ERSKINE PL
BX25 PAUL AV
BX26 ERSKINE PL
BX26 PAUL AV
BX27 CORNELL AV
BX27 WESTCHESTER AV
BX27 SOUTHERN BL
BX28 ERSKINE PL
BX28 VALENTINE AV
BX29 BARTOW AV
BX29 ROCHELLE ST
BX30 ERSKINE PL
BX30 ROCHAMBEAU AV
BX31 WEBSTER AV
BX31 WESTCHESTER AV
BX32 WEBB AV
BX32 LINCOLN AV
BX33 LOCUST AV
BX33 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX34 KATONAH AV
BX34 FORDHAM RD
BX35 HOE AV
BX35 BROADWAY
BX36 RANDALL AV
BX36 BROADWAY
BX39 GUN HILL RD
BX39 CORNELL AV
BX40 PENNYFIELD AV
BX40 SEDGWICK AV
BX41 CRANFORD AV
BX41 WILLIS AV
BX42 BALCOM AV
BX42 SEDGWICK AV
BX55 149 ST
BX55 FORHAM RD
BX55 WHITE PLAINS RD
Q1 165 ST
Q1 BRADDOCK AV
Q1 SPRINGFIELD BL
Q2 HEMPSTEAD AV
Q2 165 ST
Q3 165 ST
Q3 KENNEDY AIRPORT
Q4 LINDEN BL
Q4 PARSONS BL
Q5 PARSONS BL
Q5 GREEN ACRES RD
Q5 BROOKVILLE BL
Q12 GLENWOOD ST
Q12 MAIN ST
Q13 TOTTEN AV
Q13 MAIN ST
Q14 CLINTONVILLE ST
Q14 MAIN ST
Q15 POWELLS COVE BL
Q15 MAIN ST
Q16 TOTTEN AV
Q16 MAIN ST
Q17 MAIN ST
Q17 165 ST
Q20 MERRICK BL
Q20 COLLEGE POINT BL
Q24 165 ST
Q24 PATCHEN AV
Q26 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q26 MAIN ST
Q27 JAMAICA AV
Q27 MAIN ST
Q28 BELL BL
Q28 MAIN ST
Q30 NASSAU BL
Q30 SUTPHIN BL
Q30 MERRICK BL
Q31 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q31 SUTPHIN BL
Q32 NORTHERN BL
Q32 SEVENTH AV
Q36 JAMAICA AV
Q36 165 ST
Q42 PARSONS BL
Q42 SAYRES AV
Q43 HILLSIDE AV
Q43 SUTPHIN BL
Q44 MERRICK BL
Q44 BOSTON RD
Q46 LAKEVILLE RD
Q46 QUEENS BL
Q48 MAIN ST
Q48 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
Q54 JAMAICA AV
Q54 BROADWAY
Q55 HILLSIDE AV
Q55 WYCKOFF AV
Q56 JAMAICA AV
Q56 VAN SINDEREN AV
Q58 MAIN ST
Q58 PALMETTO ST
Q59 JUNCTION BL
Q59 KENT AV
Q74 MELBOURNE AV
Q74 QUEENS BL
Q75 CLOVERDALE BL
Q75 165 ST
Q76 132 ST
Q76 165 ST
Q77 165 ST
Q77 145 RD
Q79 249 ST
Q79 JAMAICA AV
Q83 JAMAICA AV
Q83 HILLSIDE AV
Q84 130 AV
Q84 PARSONS BL
Q85 PARSONS BL
Q85 GREEN ACRES RD
Q88 JAMAICA AV
Q88 QUEENS BL
N1 ROCKAWAY AV
N1 ELMONT RD
N1 165 ST
N2 GREEN ACRES RD
N2 COVERT AV
N2 165 ST
N3 GREEN ACRES RD
N3 FRANKLIN AV
N3 165 ST
N4 HENRY ST
N4 PARSONS BL
N6 JACKSON ST
N6 165 ST
N8 GREEN ACRES RD
N8 FRANKLIN AV
N14 DEMOTT AV
N14 MERRICK RD
N15 ZECKENDORF BL
N15 CENTER ST
N16 FOXHURST AV
N16 STEWART AV
N17 CENTRE AV
N17 JACKSON ST
N19 MAIN ST
N19 RAILROAD AV
N20 NEWBRIDGE RD
N20 MAIN ST
N21 BRIDGE ST
N21 MAIN ST
N22 165 ST
N22 JERUSALEM AV
N22 ZECKENDORF BL
N23 ORCHARD BEACH RD
N23 OLD COUNTRY RD
N24 MERRICK AV
N24 165 ST
N25 MIDDLE NECK RD
N25 LANGDON PL
N26 COMMUNITY DR
N26 165 ST
N27 BRIDGE ST
N27 JACKSON ST
N28 SHORE RD
N28 LINCOLN AV
N31 JACKSON ST
N31 SEAGIRT BL
N32 JACKSON ST
N32 SEAGIRT BL
N33 CENTER ST
N33 MOTT AV
N35 ROCKLAND ST
N35 WASHINGTON ST
N36 HENRY ST
N36 BROADWAY
N37 JACKSON ST
N37 ATLANTIC AV
N40 THIRD AV
N40 HENRY ST
N41 THIRD AV
N41 HENRY ST
N43 ZECKENDORF BL
N43 HENRY ST
N45 SELFRIDGE AV
N45 CENTRE AV
N46 MERRICK RD
N46 JACKSON ST
N47 JERUSALEM AV
N47 JACKSON ST
N48 JACKSON ST
N48 BROADWAY
N49 JACKSON ST
N49 BROADWAY
N50 NEWBRIDGE RD
N50 CENTRE AV
N51 SELFRIDGE AV
N51 HEWLETT AV
N52 WILLIAM ST
N52 HEWLETT AV
N53 PARK AV
N53 HEWLETT AV
N54 JACKSON ST
N54 OAK ST
N55 JACKSON ST
N55 LOUDEN AV
N57 PARK PL
N57 MIDDLE NECK RD
N58 KINGS POINT RD
N58 PARK PL
N62 HENRY ST
N62 HOWARD AV
N65 MAIN ST
N65 MERRICK AV
N66 MAIN ST
N66 EMROY RD
N67 STEWART AV
N67 PRINCE AV
N70 JACKSON ST
N70 PINELAWN RD
N71 JACKSON ST
N71 CARMANS RD
N72 JACKSON ST
N72 RAILROAD AV
N73 BARCLAY ST
N73 MERRICK RD
N74 BARCLAY ST
N74 MERRICK RD
N78 THIRD AV
N78 NEWTOWN RD
N79 THIRD AV
N79 PLAINVIEW RD
N80 JOHN ST
N80 CARMANS RD
N81 JOHN ST
N81 CARMANS RD
N93 STEWART AV
N93 GLENN CURTISS BL
N94 NEWBRIDGE RD
N94 PIQUETS LN
N95 PINELAWN RD
N95 SECATOGUE AV
X1 SEVENTH AV
X1 ARTHUR KILL RD
X2 THIRD AV
X2 EBBITTS ST
X2 PARK AV
X2 TYSENS LN
X3 VESEY ST
X3 EBBITTS ST
X3 TYSENS LN
X4 VESEY ST
X4 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 THIRD AV
X5 PARK AV
X6 SEVENTH AV
X6 ARTHUR KILL RD
X7 SEVENTH AV
X7 RICHMOND AV
X8 PEARL ST
X8 RICHMOND AV
X9 SEVENTH AV
X9 EBBITTS ST
X9 TYSENS LN
X10 THIRD AV
X10 JEWETT AV
X11 BROADWAY
X11 WILD AV
X12 11 AV
X12 SOUTH AV
X13 JEWETT AV
X13 RECTOR ST
X13 WHITEHALL ST
X14 11 AV
X14 JEWETT AV
X15 RICHMOND AV
X15 RECTOR ST
X15 WHITEHALL ST
X16 BROADWAY
X16 POST AV
X17 THIRD AV
X17 WOODROW RD
X18 TARGEE ST
X18 RECTOR ST
X18 SCHOOL RD
X18 WHITEHALL ST
X19 BROADWAY
X19 WOODROW RD
X20 RECTOR ST
X20 WHITEHALL ST
X20 FINGERBOARD RD
X20 SAND LN
X22 PAGE AV
X22 THIRD AV
X22 PARK AV
X25 PARK AV
X25 VESEY ST
X26 34 ST
X26 VESEY ST
X27 MADISON AV
X27 MARINE AV
X28 MADISON AV
X28 SURF AV
X29 MADISON AV
X29 STILLWELL AV
X30 11 AV
X30 CLOVE RD
X31 ARTHUR KILL RD
X31 THIRD AV
X31 PARK AV
X32 PARK AV
X32 165 ST
X51 165 ST
X51 34 ST
X37 MADISON AV
X37 MARINE AV
X38 MADISON AV
X38 SURF AV
X63 FIRST AV
X63 253 ST
X64 FIRST AV
X64 LINDEN BL
X68 FIRST AV
X68 HILLSIDE AV
X90 VESEY ST
X90 92 ST
You must be really bored.
Bx36 should run every 30-40 minutes at NITE, 50 minute headways SUCK
Bx39 should run every 50-60 minutes at Night, Bx5 should run every 40 minutes at night, Bx17 and Bx33 should get their night service back, Bx3, Bx11, and Bx13 should also get their NITE service back, all Washington Heights, George Washington Bridge buses should run 24/7 like before(Bx35 and Bx36 still run at NITE)
Bx55 should run to Yankee Stadium again during certain times of the year
Bx8 needs increased service, on weekends, it runs worse than the Bx14(which should also be changed so that the route can be better, but I will leave that for another time)
at least the Bx18 is still here, the MTA wanted to cut that and screw residents of the Bronx as usual
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MetroB
M15LTD-#5670-New Flyer Articulated(LED)
BX15-#8047-TMC(repowered)
BX21-#8048-TMC(Repowered)
Q44LTD-#310-Orion V-repowered
Q65-#310-TMC
I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume there is a rule stating drivers may not use cell phones while driving. I was on the Ride-On 46 yesterday when the driver got a call on her cell phone. Needless to say, she waited until we got to Medical Center to find out who was calling.
David
It's rare enough to catch buses on one trip with consecutive numbers, and it's rare enough to catch buses on one trip from two different companies with the same number. To do both on the same trip is a real longshot!
I, too, have now and then seen two buses on the same route, one behind the other, with consecutive numbers.....but it doesn't happen all that often. However, what I was talking about is RIDING two buses in a row with consecutive numbers. That would usually mean two different routes, often two different depots, and it will happen far less often than two buses with consecutive numbers, one behind the other on the same route.
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Now the bus log:
N22 284
N27 206 (man what a dog!)
N27 175 (10 min late)
N22 630
Notes: N27 HEMPSTEAD at 4:04pm was running 10 minutes late and had no seats after Roslyn. And they plan on reducing service on that route?
TRIBORO COACH
2050
654
3058
2078
2142
M4#9000
Q32#628
Also. The driver said they dont serve intra-long island passengers? Can someone please show me where the hell on the schedule it says that!?
He said b/c they don't do intra-island service and that I was supposed to tell him. When I called trailways, they said the dispatcher had told him he had to go to mineola. Now, no where on the schedule does it say that mineola, hempstead, and babylon are discharge only stops on eastbound runs, and pick up only stops on north/westbound runs. Also, I've ridden, Peter Pan, Greyhound and Concord Trailways(Peter Pan and Concord Trailways, just like Adirondack trailways, are part of the trailways company) numerous times, and never once have I had to tell a driver, I want to get off at so and so location.
I thought something was wrong when we took Hempstead TPKE, and that was confirmed when I saw the sign, West Hempstead, on the side of the road, which signalled that we were entering West Hempstead. I knew this wasn't right b/c on the schedule, mineola was BEFORE Hempstead. When I asked the driver to take me to Hempstead, the SOB told me to walk! I told him I had a connection in 30 minutes there and that the conection was the last bus of the day, he told me tough!
I will ask for a refund in a way that will sound like they dont have any choice but to give me one.
BTW, the nonconfrontational method got me a pass good between any two stations from Metro-North customer service recently. (I complained about a crew.) I decided to use it to go to New Haven. Going up the [rookie] trainman asked me, "Is this round-trip, Sir?" I said, "Yes it is!" HeHe. So he returned it to me and I used it to come back. ;-D
FYI, the complaint had to do with an extensive delay in service, and passengers being directed to the 125th St station to get trains instead of at GCT. When our train showed up there on Tk 1, instead of Tk 4 as had been announced, we fought our way over only to find the car doors were already closed. Despite people pounding on the sides of the cars -- and despite supervision holding them on the platform for 2 or 3 minutes -- the crew wouldn't reopen. Meantime, as I pointed out to Customer Service, a New Haven Line train arrived and the crew got out on the platform to urge riders to move all the way into the cars and allow as many people to board as possible. I thought they did a textbook job on how to load a train during an emergency situation. I told Customer Service, "I only wish the crew on my train had done the same." The serv rep agreed and...thus the pass!
Michael
Washington, DC
Hey NIMBY, it's been 7 weeks and counting! So let me ask you, wha' happened?
NIMBY it's been about 7 and a half weeks, so please...!!! What hap-pen-ed??? C'mon, man!!!
I'm still deciding on whether to go further with this or just give up.
Just for curiosity sake, you should find out why they don't offer 'intra-island' service, especially if no sensible alternate exists.
I think they really should open their services to intra-island transit. These are great routes with lots of potential(even though the ADP route is serviceable by LIRR/LIB)
Actually I have thought about shooting over to White Plains after work and grabbing a bus to Mineola to watch the evening rush at the LIRR station there. (A favorite spot.) I'd get there a lot quicker than if I took Metro-North to GCT and then went to Hunterspoint or Penn Station and got the LIRR. I think I would, anyway.
For some pathetic reason the asshole driver went from Queens Village to Hempstead. Also, my trip wasn't considered intra-island.
I say take ADP. Just when you get on, tell the driver you're getting off at mineola. It's a pretty cool ride overall.
Transit DC...Representing DC Area Transit and Beyond.
Ice Cream trucks=Orion IIs, all they need is a bell
ODVs(Oversized delivery vans)=Startrans one doors, take away the windons, destination signs and wheelchair lifts and paint the UPS logo on it and you get the picture
CAGVs(Crappy Ass Gas Vehicles)= The Goshen gas powered vehicles, just don't fit one more than what is allowed on these things or else, SNAP!, CRACKLE!, POP!, and that is not your cereal you are eating on one of these things either.
Mutated Mommy Mobiles=This is a new one to describe the Freightliner one door type buses that run for Omnilink(see them on groups at transittalk, under WMATA world tour to see what I am talking about type buses that looks like there was an accident, with some mutagen, a Chrsyler minivan and the Freightliner name tag.
Bread trucks=Those Diamond one door buses that run for Arlington Transit. New Look Terrapin should have a pic of one on his website in case one doesn't know what one looks like.
Chumpions=Champion transit type buses, that should have been driven off a cliff, when they were made.
Helldorados=Those cutaways that are put on truck chasis, but might include the transit ones, but myself put it more towards the truck buses.
The sad thing is that half of these types of buses run for P.G.'s THE BUS. Yall all know why I am the grumpiest, most evil, depressed person of the face of the earth, ooops other than the Chicago fan who caught that ball to cost the Cubs a chance at the World Series. BTW I overstated, I am just grumpy.
Ice Cream trucks=Orion IIs, all they need is a bell
ODVs(Oversized delivery vans)=Startrans one doors, take away the windons, destination signs and wheelchair lifts and paint the UPS logo on it and you get the picture
CAGVs(Crappy Ass Gas Vehicles)= The Goshen gas powered vehicles, just don't fit one more than what is allowed on these things or else, SNAP!, CRACKLE!, POP!, and that is not your cereal you are eating on one of these things either.
Hey Wes, don't forget the Montgomery County sister of the CAGV, the Startrans cutaway, which was requested by none other than earth loving hippies:
But hey, at least ours has working destination signs:-P
Mutated Mommy Mobiles=This is a new one to describe the Freightliner one door type buses that run for Omnilink(see them on groups at transittalk, under WMATA world tour to see what I am talking about type buses that looks like there was an accident, with some mutagen, a Chrsyler minivan and the Freightliner name tag.
Bread trucks=Those Diamond one door buses that run for Arlington Transit. New Look Terrapin should have a pic of one on his website in case one doesn't know what one looks like.
Chumpions=Champion transit type buses, that should have been driven off a cliff, when they were made.
Notice the destination sign. That is the default setting:-P
Helldorados=Those cutaways that are put on truck chasis, but might include the transit ones, but myself put it more towards the truck buses.
In addition, there are a couple of cutaways. Sadly, those are probably the best looking buses in the ART fleet. Thanks to the people moaning and groaning about the WMATA buses rumbling through their streets, these POS buses are all over the place. Is it really THAT bad to have your house crumble in when an Orion V passes by? LOL. Whatever, I'm leaving this tree hugging Arlington neighborhood in April anyway and moving to the automobile choked area of Vienna. : )
It is sad to say too but yea, those cutaways look better than the crap they have now. The SLFs keep THE BUS from really looking like crap, also with the Gilligs and the TL960s. One day Ride On will come to repossess those Gilligs and THE BUS will go down another 1000 notches on the bus respectability scale.
.............
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BTW, I don't think it's fair to call those ART buses "bread trucks." It's an insult to the bread delivery drivers out there. Now if you want to compare a transit vehicle to a bread truck, just remember the old Atlantic City Jitneys before the AC Jitney Assoc (with help from NJT as part of an agreement to allow ACJA to take over the casino shuttles from Egg Harbor garage). Now those were bread trucks...
MetroB
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Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
About the parking lot plan, it was shot down due to at least 2 factors:
1) The fact the the streets adjacent to the parking lot are incredibly narrow, having buses pull in and pull out of the Terminal all the time would create massive delays. I can attest to the traffic problems that Flushing sees during weekday rush hour. This will simply worsen it.
2) I remember that some of the businesses brought up that since the bus stops would be consolidated in one area, it would detract from business. I think their reasoning is a fallacy, but it's all perspective.
Even if this plan were to go through, if any attempt were made to either widen the streets or demolish adjacent buildings to accommodate traffic, it would never go through the NIMBY's and possibly John Liu.
Realistically, all of Flushing's bus routes need to be dealt with properly, I estimate within the next decade. As Queens and the rest of NYC continue to increase in population dramatically, these routes need to be placed in an area where they have no negative effect on the pedestrian and perhaps motor traffic in downtown Flushing. Not one day passes when I see the dozens of commuters pour into the sidewalks and create such a hassle. Of course, this issue needs to be tackled in a variety of directions. I believe John Liu is pushing for a law that would prohibit unlicensed street vendors from selling merchandise on the sidewalk if it imposes on anything. I personally hope it gets passed.
-CPCTC
I believe the owner is trying to get name-brand stores to come in, like a Barnes & Noble. I hope he succeeds. The last thing we need is another greengrocer.
IINM, the ceiling is too low to accommodate buses.
Why should Limited service on Staten Island be discontinued?
David
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
BIG AL
"CDTA" sees that Limiteds are running on Staten Island, and without ever having ridden one (or even ever having been ON Staten Island for all we know) decides that Limiteds should NOT be running on Staten Island simply because they run along the same streets as their local counterparts.
Do I have that right?
David
Do I have that right?"
Sounds Just about right.
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I know that some of the communications systems and frequencies have changed since I left NYC a few years back....but I had a blast listening to the Command Center, buses, trains, and the Transit Police. School buses and private coach companies too. Not to mention, police, fire, ems, and aircraft communications! (Never, ever did I hear communications like I heard on 9/11 from my work location in Westchester...)
If you know nothing about scanners, don't be intimidated, it's not terribly difficult, or expensive...and you don't necessarily need an outdoor antenna.
Here's some basic 'getting started' info:
You can find excellent scanners at Radio Shack, plus they have basic antennas if you can put one outside, and the 'Police Call' frequency books (there are many websites on line that have the frequencies for free...). You need not spend a bundle on a scanner, and the built in whip antenna will do in many cases, or just a small external antenna. Go to the Radio Shack website..it's all there. There are other excellent brands of scanners, Uniden, Cobra, etc.. just shop around on line if you want. I use a Radio Shack 2024.
(Guys....Christmas is just around the corner, perfect timing to leave those Radio Shack flyers around...a little asterisk by the scanners...little hints to the right people..)
Seriously, scanner listening is a great hobby, I have fun with it for many years, and continue to monitor many key local frequencies here in my upstate location...
You know, in this uncertain world, the ability to hear more than what the media tells you is invaluable, and besides...it's fun to watch the transit system...but to hear it in action adds another dimension.
Are many of you already listening in on scanners? Maybe you can tell us about some of your experiences..
If you want more info, or need to ask some tech questions, or just need some advice, just e mail me.
Michael
Washington, DC
CDTA is the reason why people should go to private school.
See here
His school grades must be terrible. I bet his grammar, syntax, and spelling are also terrible in school as I can't imagine he would spell well in school and terribly here. Maybe his parents think there's no violence on subtalk so it's better than watching TV.
Michael
Washington, DC
Net Nanny?
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Like me...I'm starting to believe they are the same, but I can't prove it, so hey.
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Corrections: How are we the same, what did I do? I do not understand, I am from upstate and 11 so it (or I) can't be. i don't even know that person.
Dude, you seriously should consider suing your school for educational neglect!
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BIG AL
Robert
Cheers,
Peter McLaughlin
http://busdrawings.barp.ca
Wayne
There was once an X Files epsiode that was supposed to be a shot in Washington, but in the far backround there was a trolleybus passing by in its British Columbia livery. And to my knowledge Washington never had a trolleybus in service for any of its pre-WMATA succesors.
I'm not sure it was a good idea to put out a movie like this. We lived through it in real time and are still scarred from it. Now its time to watch those two slimeballs have their day in court.
You know who had the best performance in that movie? That fluffy white cat! LOL. It was the only thing not needing much acting ability.
Speaking of buses in movies, I wonder what became of that NABI I saw getting prepped for some movie a few months ago?
That bus should win a Raspby award for worst bus imitation in a movie. Anything made by Chumpion, Blue Bird, Frieghtliner, Diamond Coach, Goshen and any cutaway should win awards for the worst real life imitation of a bus period. I also include the Orion II.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Also, in case you didn't see my post, the 27 was alive on Friday:
You gotta let it go!
Somehow I can't imagine NYCTA putting racks on the buses but I wonder if NJT might do it some day. Can a over the road bus handle a bike rack?
1. Sick passengers - If a sick passenger sits next to you, make sure you move to another seat.
2. Clean window - You always want a clear view
San Diego Transit (black window trim, red stripe, and blue stripe below the red stripe)
Metropolitan Transit System (same as San Diego Transit, but no window trim)
National City Transit (light blue stripe, blue stripe)
Chula Vista Transit (yellow stripe, blue stripe)
The Breeze (green all over)
I took pictures of most of the models of buses I saw, and this is what I got, including specs on engines and transmissions. If any of the California bustalkers can make any corrections, and can tell me what year the buses were built, thanks.
Breeze: 11xx buses, D40LFs (DD series 50/Allison B500, TwinVision signs)
Chula Vista: 17xx, C40LF (Cummins C Gas Plus/Allison B500, TwinVision signs)
Metropolitan Transit System: C40HFs (some 20xxs, 21xx, Detroit Diesel CNG series 50, Allison B500, Luminator)), upper 20xxs I could not identify in Flyer livery (roll signs), 26xx buses (C40LFs, Cummins C Gas Plus/Allison B500, TwinVision)
San Diego Transit: 11xx (D60HFs, Detroit Diesel series 50, Allison B500), 12xx (Gillig Phantoms 40' 102'', 1991 buses, Cummins L10 CELECT, Voith?, Luminator signs, all suburban seats), 13xxs (C40LF, Detroit Diesel CNG series 50, Allison B500), 15xx (C40LFs-standee windows, Cummins C Gas Plus/Allison B500), 16xx (C40LFs, same specs as the 15xxs exc. no standee windows), 18xx (C40LFs, TwinVision, some with gold signs, otherwise same specs as the 16xx buses), 19xx (D60LF, Detroit Diesel series 50, Allison B500)
National City Transit: 60xx buses (same specs as the Breeze buses)
I also got to ride some buses of the San Diego Transit on Saturday. I began by taking the trolley from the Fashion Valley Transit Center (instead of waiting for the 6 bus; that will be on SubTalk) to Old Town. There, I waited for the Route 34 bus to take me to Mission Beach, and got on a C40LF (was I shocked when I found out it was a Cummins-powered one)! I took it to Mission Beach, but since it was a cloudy day, I stopped in at a Jack in the Box, and then got back on the Route 34 bus (this time a Gillig Phantom) and took it up to University of California-San Diego. Up the hills near UCSD, the bus had to climb some hills. (This route is busy with students from UCSD on the weekend, especially near the north end.) The Gillig went OOS at UCSD-Thornton Hospital, and I took a C40LF back to downtown San Diego. There, I waited for the Route 20 bus back to my hotel at Town and Country Resort and Convention Center, at the Fashion Valley Transit Center.
Some strange observations about the C40LF buses:
1) These buses have 23 suburban soft blue seats in the front and 15 padded hard seats in the back.
2) Except for the 13xx buses, these are Cummins powered. Has anyone here ridden or driven a Cummins-powered New Flyer before?
Also of note, my very first Gillig ride was not too bad also.
1613 Route 34 C40LF N/B
1238 Route 34 Gillig Phantom N/B
1834 Route 34 C40LF S/B
1614 Route 20 Express N/B
See SubTalk for my other observations.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Thanks for your report. It's always refreshing to read thoughtful material here about systems other than MTA or LI Bus.
Having had experience with transit in San Diego County, maybe I can fill in some holes. First, you're right that they're "all MTS buses." MTS is the regional planning and coordinating authority, but they don't operate anything directly. They do manage all the route numbers for the region's systems, and those numbers generally break down as follows:
1-299: San Diego Transit
300-499: North County Transit District
600-699: National City Transit
700-799: Chula Vista Transit
800-899: County Transit System
900-999: Privately Operated routes running under the MTS brand name
Here are some other numbering keys:
- NCTD, which kind of does its own thing, renumbered its Oceanside-to-UTC route from 301 to 101. With a number like that, one would expect it to be a San Diego Transit route. Also, NCTD only recently began using numbers in the 400s.
- Not sure why there are no 500-series routes anywhere
- For all systems, any route ending with a zero is an express route.
- San Diego and MTS are sickly obsessed with privatization*. Many (if not most) of the routes in the 900s were once operated by San Diego Transit; their current number is just their old San Diego Transit number prefixed by a 9.
- One operational mystery remains: some San Diego Transit routes are operated with MTS buses. These seem like the "routes in transition" that are on their way to becoming 900s. Even more strange, some of these buses have all the MTS schemes and colors, but are marked "San Diego Transit". Odd.
* probably explains why they have the highest fares and the lowest-paid drivers in the country, not to mention so-so bus service
As for the fleets, San Diego Transit is the largest. Last time I was there, it was mostly Gillig Phantoms and still a few 1981 GM New Looks! As you note, it has become a fleet dominated by New Flyers (typical of a system involved with ATC/Vancom). They also had 25 - 1989 American Ikarus 416s, numbered 201-225.
- You claim that all of their Phantoms have suburban seating; are you sure you're not confusing the 1200s and the 300s? In 1991, they took delivery of 112 40x102 Phantoms: 80 transits (1201-1280) and 32 suburbans (301-332). Unless they reseated some, all of the 1200s should be transit, keeping in mind that no San Diego bus has the hard plastic seats that NYC bus fans know as transit spec. Also, I was certain that those Phantoms had Detroit Diesel engines. They could have been repowered, though.
- The 1100-series artics are 1993 New Flyer D60s. 1101-1145 are transit spec and 1146-1150 are suburban spec, commonly used on Route 20. They have 6V92TAs definitely, not Series 50.
- The 1300-series contains only four buses. They are probably about 1995 vintage, and were the test fleet for low-floor CNG.
- San Diego Transit has 29 New Flyer C40HF buses numbered 1401-1429.
- The 1500-series is the first quantity order of low-floor CNGs, arrving in about 1999. The 1600s and 1800s are newer. What do you mean "standee windows"? I've never heard that term in describing anything other than a New Look.
- There are only 9 D60LF low-floor artics, 1901-1909.
NCTD, err, Breeze, is probably the next largest fleet in the area, with about 160 buses. They have:
- 35-foot Flxibles from the mid-1980s, many rebuilt to Metro-D standards and still going strong. Numbered in the 500s.
- 40-foot Flxibles, possibly a few in the 700s (1980-1991) still hanging around, but plenty of newer ones (1992-93) numbered 900-930.
- 1000-series New Flyer D40LFs. These are 1997-98 models with DDC engines, only 16 of 'em 1001-1016.
- 1100-series New Flyer D40LFs. These are 2000 models with Cummins engines, 1101-1153.
Chula Vista Transit and National City Transit have newer MTS-purchased C40LFs, with fleet numbers that reflect their route numbers (CVT buses in the 7000s, NCT buses in the 6000s). CVT once had a very bizzare fleet of non-air conditioned Orion Is plus a few Phantoms, and NCT had 35-foot Flxibles.
The MTS-marked buses can be hard to track. I think they're all New Flyers (save for a handful of El Dorados for Route 992): they have some 1995-96 C40HFs in the 2000 and 2100 series, and as you mention, newer C40LFs in the 2600s. As I mentioned above, some of these buses have operated on San Diego Transit routes, but they are really intended for the 900-series routes.
Another system, County Transit System, operates in the Santee-El Cajon area and to points east. They run some local routes using assorted Gillig buses, and maybe still a few Orion Is. I'm not sure what their newer fleet consists of.
Hope this is useful!
I saw New Flyer artics on routes 7 and 20.
As far as standee windows go, I mean the type of windows that open only on the top, similar to the passenger windows in subway cars. The 1200 series Gilligs also had this feature.
Also, one other thing I forgot to mention before: What is with their odd fare system? I always thought that NYCT has the highest fares for local service, but San Diego charges $2.25 for some local routes. (They do have a 1-day pass for $4.50 and a two day pass for $9.00, and I used the latter, albeit I did not ride the Coaster.)
I see that MTS really loves Cummins/Allison in their buses. (The Allison transmission makes me like the Cummins CNG engine a bit more than usual, because its hum drowns out the high pitched Cummins engine. The 1200s may have been repowered, but they did not sound like the typical 6v92TA engine. Rather, they sounded like the 600 series Orions at LI Bus, and considering how so many buses at MTS are Cummins-powered, that was my thought.)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Unfortunately, the last of the 1981 GMD New Looks has beenout of service for two years now. Bus 916 was the last one running, and now resides at the Pacific Bus Museum in northern California. It was given a complete repaint inside and out by the folks at San Diego Trolley (yes, that's what I said, SD Trolley!!!) as their System Safety Administrator was very instrumental in having the bus donated to the PBM (he did ALL the work to make it happen!!)
The 200-series Ikarus buses have disappeared (no great loss...)
And ALL of SDT's Gilligs have detroit Diesel engines. SDT does NOT like Cummins engines. (I know their chief of maintenance...wanna hear someone cuss? Mention Cummins. His theory is...if a Detroit breaks, you replace the part that broke, put new oil in the engine, and put it back on the road next morning. If a Cummins breaks, find a whole new engine...)
There were 500 series routes at one time; I think they tried the same thing that was tried at SCRTD years ago -- some sort of subscription commuter service. But Ihaven't seen the 500 series used in SD County in ages...like 20 years?
Those buses on "MTS" routes marked "San Diego Transit" are operated by SDT -- but it is a separate division that bids on contracted routes just as ATC/Vanocm does. They are NOT regular SDT operators, they are a separate entity, paid lower, lousy benefits, etc.
As for suburban seating, hey, we dealing with comments from a New Yorker. Any time they see cushions on a seat, they think that's a suburban seat. Hate to say it, but outside of New York, transit riders ARE a bit more civilized and get cushions instead of hard seats. Just because theire is a cushion, does not make it a suburban.
Of the 1901-1909 series, there are only eight. The 1904 is permanently out of service. Really strange accident, somehow the tranny and driveshaft came up through the rear end of the bus and destroyed it. (And 1125, 1138, 1147 are crispy critters all off the roster too.)
Couty Transit System in Santee/El Bajon now also has some of the C40LF's purchased as part of that big MTS/NCT/CVT order. They still operate the Orion 01.502's and Gillig 35-footers. They are operated by Laidlaw in El Cajon.
MTS is the agency which oversees everything in San Diego; San Diego Transit is the major operator which is basically city of San Diego but they do a lot of runs to outlying area. Many of the red/white/blue MTS buses are contractor-operators; ATC-Vancom is a big player here, but San Diego Transit actually is one of the contractors -- but the operators THEY supply are not from their regular pool; they are a separate, lower-paid division. (Soudns confusing, I know...)
As for which buses are spec'ed as others....the C40LF's run by MTS (ATC/Vancom and contract SDT), plus National City, Chula Vista, and East San Diego County (out in El Cajon/Santee/etc.) were all one big order. The regular SDT and NCTD buses are their own separate orders.
I, myself, have driven a Cummins powered New Flyer. Our 1990 D40HF's came with L10's but were re-engined with M11's at Cummins' expense (as the L10's were pieces of crap, overheated, etc.) and I've driven them with the M11 many times too. We don't have any at the division I now work out of, only RTS's and D40LF's and D60LF's.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Notes: All buses were on time. Even the N20 which is usually late on Sundays. N20 #321 gave a fun fast run. On those empty stretches of 25a and rt107 I think we were doing 55-60mph! Also gave out more flyers at Roosevelt Field, and put them in the bus shelters. And then put up the flyers at the Hicksville bus shelters and handed them out.
Thats where the bad luck began, but not for me. Enter N22 #183. Some poor old lady got ripped off by the farebox! It took her Metrocard (with $21 on it) and it didnt pop back up! Apparently the Metrocard got sucked in where the transfers were. Anyway the woman was quite upset, and at first, the operator offered no assistance. I told the woman the operator can open that plastic transfer box, but at first the operator didnt know how. He finally figured it out en route, and the woman put all the metrocards she found in the bin into the farebox. Most were empty, but one had a READ ERROR. Since all the other had no value, it sounds like her Metrocard got damaged. Now she'll have to deal with getting her money back from the MTA. I remember when it happened to me a few years ago, and getting my money, and my new card (I use an RFM) took forever.
Strange, That has happened to me before to. On one bus I swipeed/dipped the card several times and it said Read Error. I thought the farebox was broken the driver let me go. WHen I got on the subway the card worked perfectly fine. Then when I transfered to another bus it said Read Error and the driver didnt care about anything I had to say (I had a reciept and everything), he wanted me off the bus before he took off.
So I had to go back in the subway to buy a new monthly and mail in the card that had a read error (it was slightly bent).
Also I usually tell the customers, when you buy that card, put a mark on it...ladies use some lipstick or men a red sharpie, just so you know which card is THE right one if we have to search for it in the card bin AND the right one to use when you have a pocket full of "dead MetroCards". I cannot understand people who hold up the line, with a "playing deck" of Metrocards and we have to sit there and hear, "Boop", "Boop, "Boop"
Also not all the time the card bin is filled with used transfers. Sometime customers with the "dead Metrocards" will slide them into the slot once they find the right card with their fare on it. So you will get a mixed pile of cards in the bin.
Transit DC...Representing DC Area Transit and Beyond.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Also make sure at Huntington, when you are transfering to the diesel, walk all the way up to the shelter on the eastern end of the platform since for some reason, all eastbound trains pull up to the eastern end of the platform.
CG
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Actually, the Q27 is staying at CS.
The southern terminal of the Q27 will be in the vicinity of Springfield Blvd & 120th Avenue. Depending on the time of day, some short trips will start/end at Queens Village LIRR, or at Springfield & Horace Harding, or at the Queensborough Community College "Transit Center."
Q83 will still go to 227th Street, but the current Queens Village LIRR trips will become short trips to/from Springfield & Murdock.
BIG AL
That's the best turn around point for the NEW Q27! The Q83 would end at Springfield and Colfax St! However, I was thinking the Q27 would do this:
right on Francis Lewis Blvd
rest in front of the JAMAICA bound Q77 bus stop on Francis Lewis Blvd off Springfield Blvd
bare right onto Nashville Blvd
right turn on 118th Av
left on Springfield Blvd and up to Flushing
That would also extend LIMTED service to Queens Village Station, right? Oh and BIG AL...Q83 does not go to JAMAICA Station. You meant Queens Village, right? LOL!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
BIG AL
BIG AL
This was suggested by DOB and an elected official. It made sense, and has been discussed with other community people.
Mark
BIG AL
Q27#4901????
"Q27 4901?"
Casey Stengel will operate the Q27. It would be the first time EVER that a CS bus will travel down that far south in Queens!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Q83#4902
The Q83 has THREE terminals:
Jamaica Av/Queens Village LIRR Station
114th Av/227th St
Springfield Blvd/Colfax St (rarely used in MY opinion)
The Q83 ends at 114th Av and then goes back to Jamaica!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
When will this change take place? Yes, there is a NEW traffic light over there and a turn off lane for the traffic! They really did that area up REAL nicely!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
O.Zamora,
The Manhattanville Hill Billy
Nah, my computer is messed up so that's why you haven't seen me online as much.
What a mess that will be at Jay Street, I may go and check that side out on Saturday night, keep in touch.
O.Zamora,
West Farms Kid II
Now on the other hand, I think that if the TA is going to have express buses, they should run between ENY to Jay St. stopping at Hoyt-Schermerhorn ONLY. Since this is not the case and it is going to stop at Utica and Nostrand, then I agree with you, it should run along Fulton St.
And I rode that Q shuttle once,it wasnt that bad.Although it was from Prospect Pk.Maybe it was at the Atlantic Av end that was crazy which of course is to be expected because as usual,people are stupid.
From Atlantic Av they were a bunch of animals on that Q shuttle bus :-\.
You want BARBARIC AMINALS? Try getting onto a bus during the 8/15 blackout. Buses as you know were in scare supply and I walked from lower Manhattan to Bartel Pritchard Sqaure just to avoid the ZOO at the 41 bus terminal at Cadman Plaza. I figured the B68 would not be affect, save for the delays from traffic. The whole first stop was wall to wall people talking about the Great Blackout of 2003. Two buses pulled into the drop-off only stop across the street, by the park. I stood there in laugher as these knuckleheads were wasting their energy chasing for a bus that is not allowed for pick-ups there. The bus takes off around the circle and PUSHING, FIGHTING AND SHOVING JUST FOR F**KIN SEATS. Then with each stop more people jammed the rear exit door, preventing it to close properly.
Know what I said when that happens? I told them to "GET YOU A** OFF THE m-fING BUS OR I WILL THROW YOU OUT". They all complied and waited for an empty bus.
O.Zamora,
The Manhattanville Hill Billy
BIG AL
This message was also posted on Subtalk in case bustalkers don't read subtalk.
It was fun hearing an operator's view of things, especially on a route operating through Midtown Manhattan which has to be World-Class bad traffic.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Mark
I wait about 20 minutes for it (not bad on a Sunday) and I get on 5509. We go down Rockaway Beach Blvd and we get a couple of people by B95 and the little kids were pretty loud :-\. We run down Cross Bay Blvd with an open road at 60mph then the crowd with the kids got off in the 160's and I overhear the B/O talking to someone about the takeover. Later on we get more people board by 157 Av then its smooth sailing to Liberty Av to catch the A. I get on the R44 and its a quick express ride to Hoyt-Schermerhorn and I catch the B41 LTD so I take the front seat and this guy was very good with 5082 going 45mph down Flatbush Av and I see the shuttle buses on the Q. So its a quick ride and the bus isn't too crowded and by Ditmas Av, it seemed like 5079 had broke down but we go to my stop, Foster Av then I took NF 808 and finished my trip.
NF 919 B68
RTS 4786 B6
GBL Orion 5533 Q35
GBL Orion 5509 Q21
R44 5439 (A)
RTS 5082 B41 LTD
NF 808 B8
When we got there, we did the smart thing and got off I-66 in Vienna and took the Orange Line in to avoid traffic. We rode to the Smithsonian station in car no. 3159 and walked up to Independence Ave. The first thing I saw rolling down the street was WMATA Orion V no. 2207. Surprisingly enough, I learned that Baltimore MTA also makes stops there as well, but saw none of their buses.
I quickly learned a big lesson about DC: Sunday night is the WORST time to go there for bus riding. We learned from the locals that very few buses run on that day, and that they pretty much shut down at Midnight. However, I did get to see some in action, and we took in the Washington Monument lit up inthe night while we were there.
After waiting a good 20 minutes at 14th and Independence and getting discouraged by WMATA's automated system (what a waste of a Roam call), we finally gave up and rode a cab into Chinatown. Quick lesson no. 2: A cab costs approximately a bus fare per block. Oh, if only I knew the schedules!
After desparately seeking food at many places, including McDonald's and Hooters (yes, my girlfriend was that hungry!), we learned that most everything was shut down by 11PM (lesson no. 3 dutrifully noted). We ate at a nice Chinese restaurant on "H" Street, where I found that the CNG-powered New Flyers are in great abundance, and they sound SWEET! Also, on the way there, I screamed in delight to see Flxible no. 8843 going down "H". That 6V92 sound really made my night!
More on my adventure later.
-F.
-F.
MD has bad Sunday service? I agree with the F1, 2, but i know the K6 must be a heavy player, and the Z8, as well as Ride-On to Langly Park except the 18 and maybe the 17.
Buses are plentiful in MD, at least in the Silver Spring area.
-F.
P.S.: Can't wait to check out the MTA Flxibles. Do they go through DC, or do they use NABIs for that run?
Actually, if the N7 were eliminated, while driving outbound on River Road during rush hour, I would only need to see the bus number to know which division it was running from. The route and block info would be obsolete since the only bus there were the T2. But of course, I would never want a route eliminated/retained for my own personal interests.
-F.
-Fred
About the time I saw 2317, I stood under a bus stop and asked what looked to be a security guard when the next bus would come along. As I approached, he backed away frantically like I was going to attack him or something. His hostile reply was, "How would I know when the bus comes by"? Hel-LO...you're under a BUS STOP, genius, so if you DON'T know, then you are loitering. What a piece of $#!+ that guy was. Another lesson learned: Don't ask a stranger about buses.
After all the fun of trying to catch a bus at almost Midnight on a Sunday, we took a cab to 12th and F Street and got back on the Orange Line to Vienna, this time on Breda car no. 1146. One more lesson learned here: Cab fare is apporoximately one bus fare per block. OUCH!!! More incentive to plan my trip and get in touch with DC busfans on when and where to go on the Metrobus system.
-F.
-F.
-F.
-F.
Hope you can join us.
Wayne
-F.
-F.
Maybe I should do what a friend of mine from Queens used to do...simply walk the person into the liquor store and buy them a bottle of Hooch. After all, that's what they really wanted, right? Why not alleviate the middle man? Or do they really have needs?
-F.
-F.
-F.
-F.
Sorry I won't be there, I guess we will meet some other time.
Metro announces track work scheduled for this weekend
As part of its ongoing program to improve customer service and continue the repair and rehabilitation of the 27-year-old Metrorail system, Metro will conduct two separate rehabilitation projects this weekend on the Orange, Blue, and Yellow lines. During this work period, customers' trips may take longer than usual on the affected line. Please note the following track work scheduled for this weekend:
• Orange Line - between East Falls Church and West Falls Church. This work will start on Friday, October 31, at 10 p.m., and continue through Sunday, November 2, at midnight.
• Yellow/Blue Line - between Braddock Road and Pentagon City. This work will occur from 10 p.m. to closing (3 a.m.) on Friday, October 31, and Saturday, November 1.
To perform this work, Metro must single-track trains - operate trains traveling in opposite directions alternately on the same track.
On the Orange Line between East Falls Church and West Falls Church, Metro personnel will perform routine track maintenance. On this segment, customers may experience a delay of five minutes and should allow more time for their trip.
On the Blue and Yellow Line, trains from Braddock Road to the Pentagon City Metrorail station will share the same track while construction crews continue installing extended canopies over the platform at the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport station. On this segment, customers may experience a delay of up to 10 minutes and, therefore, should allow more time for their trip because of this necessary work. For more information on traveling by Metrorail or Metrobus, customers may call (202) 637-7000, TTY at (202) 638-3780, or visit Metro's Web site at www.metroopensdoors.com.
-Fred
If anyone is up to it I could do a weekday bus trip in January, I will have two weeks of vacation to use and that month is more boring than waiting a real new bus to appear at THE BUS's garage, hehehe.
I know I will plan my vacation for the first week after the week of New Year's Day and one a couple of weeks later. I am looking at a Friday Jan 9th or Wednesday Jan 7th.
Besides, I think Silver Spring could use them too, service can become very dense here, especially by the Silver Spring Metro and also with the 02 Orion Vs spewing so much smoke!
Also, why aren't there any CNG New Flyers at Silver Spring Metro? Why can't Montgomery Depot get any low floors?
Wayne
The SEPTA equivalent would be putting an ElDorado on the El Shuttle; I wouldn't put it past them, though...
-F.
Wayne
I never seen a suburban before.
Peace
David
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/crime/ny-lifata203502118oct20,0,787643.story?coll=ny-licrime-headlines
CG
What an asshole! This idiot should definately be thrown in jail!
1990-1991 TMC RTS-06
8000-8001, 8005-8006, 8010, 8012, 8014-8017, 8020-8021, 8024, 8026-8027, 8032-8036, 8038-8050, 8052-8066, 8068-8071, 8073-8074, 8076-8087, 8090-8091, 8093-8101, 8106, 8109-8112, 8115-8117, 8119-8121, 8123, 8125-8127, 8130-8133, 8135-8142, 8146-8148, 8150, 8152, 8154-8160, 8162, 8164-8166, 8168-8172, 8174-8176, 8178-8202, 8204-8207, 8210-8230, 8232-8233, 8235-8267, 8269-8284, 8286, 8287-8288, 8290-8301, 8303-8305, 8307-8312, 8314-8315, 8317, 8319-8322, 8324, 8326-8327, 8330-8332, 8334, 8336-8338, 8340, 8343, 8345-8346, 8349-8350, 8352, 8354-8363, 8365-8369, 8371-8373, 8375-8396
1993 TMC RTS-06
8401-8564
1993 Orion 05.501, 1994 Orion 05.501 and Orion 05.501 CNG
101, 105, 107, 109-120, 122-125, 127-128, 131-137, 140-230, *232-309, 311-317
* - Buses #291-294 were already came with the DD 50 Series Engines.
ENJOY!!!! Later I'll post the REVISED repaints!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
8024,8090,8093,8115,8132,8142,8150,8154,8162,8165,8169,8326,8331,8332,8343,8349,8350 are NON-repowers.
Pics of interest include an MCI driving through the lot with its signs displaying "CALL 911", and Orions 400 and 401 next to each other, BOTH with burns in the rear!
Click the button below, and then quickly register if it asks you. (It's totally free, and then you can upload an unlimited number of pictures also!)
Although I think there's a link to click on to display an index of the photos.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
As I stood next to the bus, it sounded like something was leaking too.
It was #356. Anyone know what happened?
Hey, does anybody remember when there were only 5 routes serving Gaithersburg back then?
However, the question must be asked, aren't these "tripper" buses supposed to be available to all, not just those at the school served? I tell you, I don't think this practice of denying service is anything close to kosher.
"In 1989, UMTA (now the FTA) ruled that the specials were not permissible because...
(1) they were reserved for students, and thus discriminated against non-students;
(2) buses reserved for children had to be painted "school-bus" yellow;
(3) reserving for one particular rider group constituted chartering, which public agencies are not permitted to do if a private carrier is capable of providing comparable equipment and service."
That's basically what these drivers on the Q17 were doing, and to answer my question as to this practice being kosher, the answer is a resounding
NO!
Usually, after we left the school, all the drivers would change their signs to "Not In Service" or "Next Bus Please", and then never pick anybody up. If nobody rang to get off, we would just fly down Kissena toward Flushing. I loved getting to Flushing from Utopia Pkwy. in 10 minutes because we would never stop. When somebody rang to get off, and there were people waiting at that stop, the driver would stop just beyond the bus stop, or at the next block, to let the kid off. I used to love the special service we got, especially when the drivers always got surburbans for us. Then he would wisk by the all the stops, and watch with glee as the people we passed shouted and waived their arms in disgust. =)
Also speaking of getting buses, I would like the Green Buses to get the PA's Low Floor New Flyers when the Airtrain begins operation.
Speaking of concept, that was common practice with the Green Bus Lines in the early 1980s. The Green Bus would borrow or lease buses from any company they could get them from. While waiting for the Q22, I didn't know if I was going to get a Flxible new look no a/c from Triboro Coach (800s), a 35 ft Flxible new look non a/c from CDTA via Queens Surface; Command Bus New look 5303's; Command Bus New look 5305 or 06s; Jamaica Buses Flxible new look a/c; Triboro Coach new look 5303s; Jamaica Buses New look 5306, 07, 09; and Jamaica Buses '79 RTSs.
Lo and behold, the most unforgettable equipment that the Green Buses borrowed was used on their school trippers-YELLOW SCHOOL BUSES, which we fondly referred to as the cheese bus. You see, back in the day, the students were issued bus passes just for use on the Green Line Bus route that you took to/from school. You would have to show the pass and pay a nickel. Well, the Green Buses took these yellow buses, stenciled "Green Bus Lines" on the sides with green paint and actually had the nerve to install a farebox on the bus. Now that's something I will never forget. I'm just sorry I was too young to have a camera to take a picture of this.
Also, you just reminded me of something. Up until two years ago, and even today in some cases, the Green Bus lines would treat the Rockaway Division (Q21, Q21A, Q22, Q22A and Q35) like an entirely different company. Whenever the Green Bus Lines received new buses, Rockaway would never see them.
For example, when GBL received their '79 RTS's, those buses did not see service on the Rockaway routes until 1989; when they received the Grumman 870s in 1980, the Rockaway routes didn't start seeing them until 1982 on a VERY limited basis-only two of them (from the QM16 and QM17) would run, weekday midday only. The Grummans didn't start running in Rockaway on a regular basis until 1985. Those 1994 TMCs didn't see service out here until 2000. In fact, the only reason I think they (along with the Orions) started seeing them in Rockaway is because there was a big stink about the awful fumes from the buses (mostly the RTSs) at the Rockaway Garage and the fact that GBL closed down some of the Jamaica Depot back in 2001 supposedly for CNG facility installation (don't know what is going on with that) and half of the buses normally stored in Jamaica were stored in Rockaway.
As a matter of fact, even today, you will never see the MCI Classics operating in regular service on Rockaway routes. Anyone don't believe me, stand out here and wait for one.
I really hope one day that the Classics make a run down there but its chances are slim to none :-(.
I'll tell what they wouldn't operate in Rockaway-the 900 series Old Looks, yes OLD LOOKS that they operated straight into the '80s.
Now that old equipment I would not have mind having in the Rockaways. LOL.
Peace,
Kevin
Mark
orion V;579,581,589,590,592.
Gillig:530.(Missing Front piece and farebox).
From Roosevelt Field,took the N24 to Mineola to the L.I.R.R. home. Here are some things i noticed:
1-all LIBUS routes i were on were ON TIME!!
2-the driver on the Q22 does not believe a takeover will occur on 1/1/04-if it did, would there be drivers learning the route(TA drivers)-he also said that Green hired 100 new drivers-go figured.
3-Orion V #658 and #663 are parked at RVC depot. I was able to walk to the back to see them.
4-also, here is what runs out of RVC:N1,N2,N3,N4,N8,N14,N16,N17,N19,N25,N31/N32,N36,N37,N62.
B100-#364-GMCRTSII-04
Q35-#284-GMCRTSII-04
Q22-#245-GMCRTSII-04
N33-#242-orion V-CNG
N15-#394-Orion V-CNG
N16-#214-Orion V-CNG
N27-#185-Orion V-CNG
N24-#135-Orion V-CNG
one side note, #395 was the highest i saw for LIBUS, currently assigned to the N49 route.
BIG AL
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The driver of the car hit by the bus had to be cut from the car with the "jaws of life" and was taken away on a stretcher -- condition unknown. Injuries to the passengers on the bus (about 10-20 passengers) appeared to be mild -- if any. The driver was up and walking around.
Damage to the bus did not appear to be extensive -- a cracked windshield was all that was visible in the dark.
CG
BIG AL
Changed trains at Huntington, seeing early AM MU's prepare for the rush
I was looking at this scene for over an hour waiting for the S58
Once on the bus, we headed through Centereach and Coram on Middle Country Rd (aka the Queens Blvd of Suffolk)
Look at those LIPA transmission lines, they belong in the midwest somewhere
Luxury "communities" are popping up toward Middle Island
Through the isolated pine barrens
The houses of another new luxury development in the distance, ruining this open space
Taking a transit bus through open farmland, we are in the country now!
And then Tanger at last
Couldn't find the bus yard by there. I went back a different way, those photos following
New PJ yard
I have to say Rocky Point has alot of stores in it. The area's worth a visit. Pretty weird when Rocky Point can have more things to do that the Glen Cove area! :-0
But Rocky Point has no LIRR service. There is an RR ROW that is marked by LIPA power lines. So extension is easily possible. But for now the last picture is the end of the line for PJ trains.
Ray
aka SUFFOLK Kid!
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
You shouldn't be wasting away your life, standing at bus stops for over an hour. That is a$$inine.
Over my lifetime, I've wasted thousands of hours at bus stops. If you don't have a car, you're basically at the mercy of a bus schedule.
During the summer I waited for a bus at Newark Grand Central to take me to the Woodbridge mall. That Sudday, I waited over an hour for that bus to arrive. There were plenty of people with me and many more were waiting even longer for the Great Adventure bus to arrive.
Since I rediscovered the bicycle, I hardly ever take a bus anymore. It's the best thing that's happend to me in years. The only thing I regret is that I didn't discover it sooner. The bicycle provides me with personal bus service 24/7 every where I go. Not a day goes by that I don't use the bicycle to ride me to the Hudson Bergen Light Rail. When I go home to see the family, head off for work or explore the MTA, I use my bicycle. I ride every day of the year.
I can relate to your observation of Rocky Point because this past Sunday we went apple picking in Wading River- actually on Fresh Pond Avenue in Calverton, which the map indicates you rode the S62 back on. To do so we took the LIE to the Floyd north to 25A east. On return I took 25A west all the way to Mount Sinai, then south on CR83 to the LIE in order to get the great view from Bald Hill.
The whole 25A corridor east of Port Jeff has changed dramatically from the early seventies when we'd go to Wildwood Park for my brother's annual SUNY Stony Brook picnic. Back then, it was a narrow two-lane road bordered by woods with the occasional custard stand and kerosene/firewood purveyor. Today, the 'Bypass' is an unending succession of strip malls and larger shopping centers anchored by the likes of Waldbaums, Kohls, Target and Walmart.
This heavy development prevailed all the way east of the Floyd terminus. The only difference between this and older stretches of suburban sprawl (such as NY25 from Lake Grove through Coram) was 25A had been widened and even had several miles of metal lamp posts! The whole ambience reminded me a lot of Suffolk's South Shore, especially along Sunrise Highway- but without the freeway.
Obviously there has been huge growth in central Suffolk's north shore to justify this kind of sprawl. Miller Place, Mount Sinai, Sound Beach, Rocky Point and Shoreham, through which 25A runs, are basically older communities that developed with the LIRR- which was cut back to Port Jeff from Wading River in the thirties. I have a Hagstrom atlas from the sixties that shows those areas looking just as they do today. Seems that the big growth since then must've taken place further south, such as along 25 east of Coram and 112 south of Port Jeff. Wading River seemed to have some new luxury townhouse developments (There's never new housing built for anybody but the rich, is there?!) and a very new-looking strip mall. East of the 25A-Sound Avenue split seems very rural, at least till the outskirts of Riverhead- which is starting to resemble a small upstate city: old, somewhat rundown downtown surrounded by heavy suburban sprawl and office parks.
In any event, there's obviously no shortage of peaceful farmscapes judging from your pictures. The buses you rode must've been able to acquire very good speed.
Everything is becomming a suburb now and it's really pissing me off. LIRR really needs to extend the Port Jeff line back to the way it originally was.
That's sort of a statement on both sides of the fence. I'd like to see them reuse the old Wading River branch too.....but if suburbia pisses you off, the only reason the extension would be needed would be because of the suburbian overtake of the the area. The reason the service ended originally was because it sort of was in the middle of no where when it closed. I hate suburband sprawl too, but you can't have it both ways. Just look what the Tanger Outlet is starting to do to Riverhead. Applebees, Starbucks, ugh. Within 10 years, you wont recognize the place.
After I finish exploring the MTA system, I'll be using buses with my folding bike to reach the country side. The good thing about a folding bike is you can take it inside a bus providing it's covered. If the LIRR is less than 15 miles from where the bus ride ends, I can ride to the rail road instead of having to wait for another bus. With my handheld GPS, (Global Positioning System)I can't get lost anymore!
I really think if you're going to explore the country side using buses, you really need to buy one of these things. This way you can set up a way point at the bus stop so if you get lost, the GPS will point you to the exact location of the stop! It really gives you the freedom to walk ANYWHERE you want to for miles without the fear of getting lost. I use mine everytime I explore the MTA system with my bicycle.
I've haven't been in Queens in over 20 years. I took a trip last Saturday to the last stop of the F Train and road back to the Brooklyn Bridge on my bicycle. I was never lost since I set up the GPS to point me in the direction of the bridge. Let me tell you. Those ten miles went so fast, I was saddened when it was over.
Well some of the photos were "photoshopped" to improve quality. Well the S58 goes through alot of areas, most of the farms were between Calverton and Riverhead.
You can find out about Suffolk county bus routes here
http://www.sct-bus.org
The S58 and all routes in Suffolk county are operated by Suffolk Transit. They do not use Metrocards but have cheaper fares than MTA ($1.50 regular, transfer 25c, reduced fare 50c!). The transfers are magnetic strip cards like those on MTA, and their farebox does accept dollar bills (unlike MTA).
Well I wasnt far from the LIRR Greenport branch, which runs not to far from the LIE out to Riverhead. However with only 3 or 4 trains a day out there, its better to take the bus.
The mainline(Greenport line) really has crappy service east of KO. They should put in a few more trains to atleast Riverhead.
B1-#9314-NOVABUS
There are still farms in Nassau County? I agree with your premise though. Suffolk is fast starting to look like Nassau. The final holdout of farms in Western Suffolk in Huntington and Melville just gave out this year. It won't be long and Mid and Eastern suffolk will also be a sea of subdivisions and shopping centers. Ugh.
Basking Ridge is accessible by NJ Transit Gladstone Line trains, which run in both directions all day long (not 24 hrs, though), 7 days a week. Sometimes midday service is provided by shuttle buses between Summit and Gladstone if there is track work being done.
First,
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #8963 and #8970 have there side destination signs raised! Also, I saw the Q17 LIMTED on 1999 NovaBus RTS-06 #5149 at 188th St and Union Tpke.
Second,
1999 Orion 05.501 #6122 and #6133 have been repainted because there numbers on the back of the bus are SMALLER than they orginally were. Now, I was in Flushing and is it me or were those traffic lights on Union St between 37th Av and 39th Av suppose to be painted brown like the rest of the traffic lights? Also, since when did they put TWO turning signals at Northern Blvd and Parsons Blvd? Also, this is NEW to me but they got a NEW light on Northern Blvd and 163rd St...about time!
Third,
1996-1998 GMC RTS-04 Remanufactured #7036-7037 must have had there engines retuned because they sound faster especially #7037 with a FRESH COAT of paint and was on the Q88.
Fourth,
Queensborough Community College must be like a BUS TERMINAL to the Q27! There was a bus in the NEW bus parking lot at Queensborough every 2 minutes. I think some Q27 begin there too because I saw a bus sitting on 56th Av however, I'm not sure where it went.
and finally, Fifth....
Q5Merrick and BIG AL please respond to this....I saw MCI D4501 #2853 on Merrick Blvd passing by the Jamaica Bus Terminal with it's destinaiton sign reading, "X63...23rd St-1st Av...EXPRESS" I guess it was going to the depot. Then as I was on 161st St waiting to make a left onto Hillside Av, I saw MCI D4501 #2868 reading, "X64...23rd St-1 Av...EXPRESS" WHAT? Then it must be using Hillside Av to Merrick Blvd to the depot. Then the shocker, I saw MCI D4501 #2872 on Parsons Blvd at 84th Av in Jamaica Hills! This bus was travelling south on Parsons Blvd...again going to the depot BUT the sing was reading, "EXPRESS". My Dad could not believe it because he did not think that was an MTA-NYCT bus to begin with. So, I had to "teach" him...LOL! I thought the express buses went down Van Wyck Expwy to Liberty Av. I guess there was traffic on the Van Wyck Expwy.
NOTE: 1990-1991 TMC RTS-06 #8359-8360, #8384 and I believe #8388 were repowered. 1995 Orion 05.501 #628 was on the Q27. I spotted it on Kissena Blvd as it turned of Main St heading towards Queens Village.
Oh, remember I posted the subject about the "Flushing Bus Terminal"? Well, I can't see an underground bus terminal BUT I can see Caldor's! Oh yeah, I was shopping there and I even checked out Flushing. Caldor's would be the spot. Maybe shut down 39th Av OR Roosevelt Av and turn it into Fulton Mall of Flushing! Let me know what you think!
ENJOY!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-libus1022,0,3257373.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
Which bus depot is the largest and which depot is the smallest?
I heard a while ago that Queens Village depot can house all of its
buses inside of the depot? Is this true?
What bus depot had the first orions?
Amsterdam Depot -- 77,700 square feet
Gun Hill Depot -- 292,000 square feet
Kingsbridge Depot -- 426,000 square feet
Mother Clara Hale Depot -- 125,690 square feet
West Farms Depot -- Unknown at this time
Brooklyn Division
East New York Depot -- 111,600 square feet
Flatbush Depot -- 140,000 square feet
Fresh Pond Depot -- 126,000 square feet (Transportation), 140,000 square feet (Maintenance)
Jackie Gleason Depot -- 262,632 square feet
Ulmer Park Depot -- 118,800 square feet
Manhattan Division
126th Street Depot -- 191,400 square feet
Hudson Pier -- 328,300 square feet
Manhattanville Depot -- 340,000 square feet
Michael J. Quill Depot -- 645,000 square feet
Queens Division
Casey Stengel Depot -- 70,940 square feet (Maintenance), 24,290 square feet (Transportation)
Jamaica Depot -- 91,520 square feet
Queens Village Depot -- 202,178 square feet
Staten Island Division
Castleton Depot -- 126,00 square feet
Yukon Depot -- 244,000 sqare feet
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Spotted today, around 6pm...
The back of the bus said "Velguzti" or something like that, and had some weird logo on it. Is this some sort of Mexican or Italian imported ice-cream truck/bread truck/delivery wagon???? BTW, it operates for EXPRESS SERVICE (Operated by Spanish Transportation) running from NYC to Paterson and Passaic.
Anyone? Comments?
DC Bustalkers: you have NOT seen an ice cream truck or ODV/CAGV like this, or have you???
UH OH! Theyre trying to compete with the Chinatown Bus!;-)
Also, in case you haven't noticed, the demographics of the China Bus patrons and the Acela passengers are about as diametrically opposed as you could get. I have spent some time in Chinatown recently, and have watched the China Buses load and unload, their ridership seems to be mostly working class and students, as well as some older folks. At the same time I have also spent many hours at 30th St station, eating and talking to a friend that works there, the passengers getting on and off the Acela are overwhelmingly business types, on expense accounts, who don't want to mess with airport security, and who wouldn't subject themselves to the indiginity of a bus trip.
Really, given this observation, I don't think the Acela and Chinabus affect each other that much. Chinabus's ridership cannot afford Acela, while Acela's ridership likely does not even consider the Chinabus in their travel options, since it doesn't appear on their companies travel agent's list. Even if it did, it'd be lumped in with Greyhound and Peter Pan, and from my observations at the Bus Terminal here in town, there ain't a lot of business travellers there either!
Now if you want to consider Regionals and Clockers versus Chinabus, then you might have a more fair comparison, at least based on the demographic of the ridership. However, as always remember that Amtrak has to pay 100% of the maitenance on their tracks, so all operating profit is sucked up by that, along with other things they are subjected to. The Chinabus on the other hand recieves massive subsidies from the US government through our funding of the bloated interstate highway system, they must damage the highway, especially if they cruise along at 90, and that damage accumulates, which leads to expensive rebuilding projects. If you think that the pittance toll that they pay covers the cost of those repaving efforts, think again.
If only Amtrak and the FRA recieved the kind of subsidies we gave to the highways, we'd have HSR everywhere, with electrified commuter trains for every city of over 500,000 inhabitants!
The discount applies to any Amtrak train (as far as I know) but I only take the time to acquire it for Acela Express trips.
I've taken a Chinatown Bus to Philly before...
Or like between the B41 and the dollar vans along Flatbush Avenue.
Incognito
The ORIGINAL West Farms Kid
Wayne
BTW, don't let anybody at SEPTA get a look at this bus; they might try to replace the Fords with them. As much as I can't wait to see the Fords pulled from service - and whacked with a sledgehammer - that bus looks even worse than anything I can recall seeing.
Photo taken from Veguzti website...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
And there was much rejoycing...
YAY!
On a more serious note, re. the "Urbano" model bus shown on the web site: it looks like they took the Optima low floor (nee Chance Opus) and made it uglier, if that's possible.
Don't worry DC Bustalkers, even if PG County had even the slightest idea about getting this montrosity, they'd have to get a Buy America waiver from the FTA. Somehow, I think the FTA would take one look at this bus and probably die laughing...
"Oh well Dan time to get more startrans ODVs. Hey if we buy them with UPS we'll get them even cheaper".
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Mark
Nassau Bus Cuts Off for Now
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By Errol A. Cockfield, Jr.
Staff Writer
October 22, 2003, 4:48 PM EDT
Nassau County and Long Island Bus officials have reached an agreement that will prevent cuts to service routes at least through the first half of next year, although the possibility of cuts in the latter part of 2004 still loom.
County Executive Thomas Suozzi included a $4.8 million cut to Nassau's Long Island Bus subsidy in his 2004 budget proposal that would have reduced 28 weekday routes and eliminated another seven.
This week however, officials learned of savings they had not anticipated, and under a proposal by legislative Democrats they have decided to direct $2.4 million of that new money to stave off the bus reductions. But that money--half of the proposed cut--will only ensure the same level of service through June, officials said.
Both sides have agreed to return to the negotiating table next spring to work out a deal that would protect bus routes through the latter part of the year. In the interim, Deputy County Executive Helena Williams said the county has urged Long Island Bus officials to find more savings in their own budget.
"One of the things they're going to look at is fuel prices and how they purchase fuel," Williams said.
Tom Kelly, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the agency that runs Long Island Bus, said MTA officials had hoped for an agreement that would completely avert any future cuts, but "a month ago it didn't seem like we would be able to reach this."
The savings that made the agreement possible emerged after Gov. George Pataki approved changes to the state's Medicaid program that will save Nassau $15.3 million. The county plans to use that money to pay down its debt and the lower debt payments will save Nassau $3 million each year.
The bus cut had been the major point of contention between the county executive and his fellow Democrats who control the legislature by a 10-9 margin.
Copyright (c) 2003, Newsday, Inc.
So they got the money by cutting Medicaid 15.3 million. Unbelievable... The bus problem was financed on the backs of the poor.
Well you got to keep your buses but this is only a temporary solution to an on-going problem. Didn't I say the money would be found on the 12th hour? I still believe the cuts in service are still coming. Hold on!
Notes: Both N27's were PACKED, with only a few available seats. Also saw 636 NOT IN SERVICE again later on in Greenvale heading north.
636 still runs like a charm though. Good ol 6V92TA beats that Cummins garbage anyday!
Please refrain from using that word until you know what a stuffed bus looks like.
Example of this: Any late BX12
It's a seat handle!!
Robert
Please Post route ideas Here?
(Includes Current Routes operated/Managed BY NYCT, MABSTOA, NYCDOT & MSBA/MTA Long Island Bus)
Route X: From Hempstead Transportation Center West On Hempstead Turnpike/Avenue Then West On Jamaica Avenue Terminating At Broadway Junction/East New York.
Route Z: From Babalon West On Sunrise Highway (With Loop Thru Sunrise Mall) then West On Conduit Avenue and/or Blvd to Atlantic Avenue then west to Broadway Junction/East New York Terminal.
1. The headways don't match (30 minutes on Q79; 60 minutes on N2);
2. The Village of Floral Park has already gone on record opposing any buses on its streets. Apparently the rather specious fears are based on both safety ("bus drivers will target our children") and security ("thieves will ride the bus to rob our homes").
I think the N79 and N1 would be a better match. Straight up Plainfield and left on Carnation or Tulip to Little Neck Parkway.
I get the feeling this is why the Q79 was never extended to the Floral Park LIRR Station which is,as I found out last night,is on the dest. codes and I have visual proof.Now if only I could learn how to upload pics to my comp with my camera.....
O.Zamora,
Lord Kingsbridge
What bout the N24?
GRRR AHHH!!!! I HATE NIMBY's!!!!
What evidence is there that the formation of the "regional bus company" would:
A. Lead to merging of routes between NYC Transit and LI Bus, and
B. Lead to THESE PARTICULAR routings?
David
N31 from Lynbrook only to all of current Q22 to Breezy Point. N32 will continue to serve between Hempstead and Far Rock.
N21 from Glen Cove goes all the way to Laguardia Airport, replacing Q48 service. Late evenings service between Flushing and LGA only.
extend Q36 to Roosevelt Field, replacing N24.
When one looks at route modifications, this is the criteria they should use:
1) Will it cost more to operate than now? If it does, you better have some sort of idea how ridership is going to look. Extending a bus to somewhere that has lots of people doesn't mean you get lots of people.
2) How many more pieces of equipment? If the route change needs no new equipment and little to no new personnel, a transit agency may try it just to see if it works. If it needs lots of equipment and new facilities that they can't afford, it won't even get off of the ground.
3) Running time. Longer running time means longer headways or more equipment. Either way, somebody pays. Make sure that extra running time generates a farebox recovery ratio higher than what the route previously had. Longer running times can also lead to reliability problems, as more protect buses would be needed overall.
4) Use your connections. People can transfer to a route. If 5 people per day transfer from the N20 to the Q48, there is NO need for airport service. Direct service is usually provided in VERY HIGH transfer markets to streamline and/or improve service.
Some of you seem to generally want to suggest good routes. I'm sure others like David will add to or correct me on this list. It is simply not enough to make one bus socialize with another at terminals. If a route does not have a clear function, it should die.
Queens routes should not stop at the border but continue a few miles in, just like many other routes in the city. Many Queens routes go into Brooklyn and vice-versa.
Its actually 10 mins from Central Ave(N1) to 5 corners in Lynbrook. They also need more than one bus from Queens that goes to Green Acres. The N15 connection is in Rockville Centre. That is a long extention into Nassau.
Also, when I said to Whitestone, I mean possibly via the Whitestone Expressway or a service road, maybe to College Point(the N20)
This is all pretty crazy, right?-0
The N6, N22, and N24 should get artics, and during rush hours, the N22A should be the local to Mineola, with the N22 and the Q43 being combined to be a super limited route, limited stops only from 179 Street to Mineola. What REALLY would help though is an area where fare is collected first, so that passengers can line up and board the bus. (Think Orchard Beach.)
You are right though about some routes. The N20/21 should NOT be combined with the Q12. Similarly, the N4 and the Q5 would not make sense.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Also, what do you think about my idea for a route down 107 and one down 106?(the one that goes down 107 would also terminate at the ferry Terminal in Glen Cove, ya know, the casino ferry).
Back on topic, if MTA Bus is created, Nassau becomes the sixth borough of service, and maybe a third depot will be created. More importantly, NO MORE CUMMINS! (The buses may be repowered to meet NYCT DD/Allison specs (except for 10 buses in FP with Cummins ISM/Allison and 50 buses in Flatbush with DD/ZF Ecomat.) More so, maybe their buses may last longer, maybe as long as 20 years. Also, a bus shortage may be alleviated, even just a bit, by returning 579-599 back to service, since they all have fareboxes still in them.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
MetroB
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By changing the current express route I mean:
Have the current QM16 and QM17 operate non stop to/from Manhattan to/from Broad Channel. Currently, the buses make all stops along Cross Bay Blvd\Woodhaven Blvd to Rego Park. Why do this? You have the QM15 that runs that same route and furthermore there are several QM15 runs. There is only 1 QM16 run and 2 QM17 runs.
By new routes I mean:
Currently there is no express service to Wall St. from Far Rockaway. We could use one. However there is an express service from Rockaway Park to Wall St. operated by Horizon Tours which also go to Midtown.
Hudson Pier and Amsterdam is closed down.
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Notes: Nothin but 100 series Cummins, how boring! Well the N20 going to Hicksville was running quite late, I'd say about 20 min behind schedule (was supposed to be 4:27pm@Greenvale). After CW Post we were SRO with 15 standees all the way to Hicksville. Then the N22 left Hicksville about 10 min late and boy we were really packed this time. Almost 20 standees out of Hicksville. In New Cassel the bus scheduled to leave after us (5:40pm) passed us, mostly empty. It too was a Cummins #159 so I didnt miss out on breaking the Cummins streak. It didnt get too far ahead, but still, when a bus is very late its almost always better to wait for the next one. Next time the 5:20pm is late I'll take the 5:40pm. Shame on me! Gotta practice what I preach!
"Ladies and gentleman there is another train behind us. Please dont try to squeeze onto this one"
But at QSC my boss said: "... she is not prepared to stop service at the end of the year, although she also is dissatisfied with the city's funding."
There is also a new handbill issued by Roger Toussaint complaining about one of "his" people who spoke in support of continued service without HIS permission. I know this guy, he's NOT a company man, and Roger knows him too. The real problem is that he's running for office ... shame on you Roger.
If she wants more money from DOT, all she needs to do increase her own salary. DOT is contractually obligated to cover all company expenses - and politically obligated to not ask too many questions.
MTA
8659 Quill
657 Stengel
539 Stengel
267 Stengel -- Back seats all the way across-But HOTTER THAN HELL!
687 Stengel
8228 Quill ---- Beat up inside -- BUT A REAL FAST BUS!!!
Triboro Coach
3038
3002
687 -- As Bad As it Gets!
3015
Monday: saw 8958(r) on the A12(pm), 8789(n/r) on the T18?
Wednesday: 8771(n/r) on a 30s and 8910 on either the T18 or the 84
Thursday: 8785(rehabbed) on the T18
There was another bus running on a Landover route but can't remember which one.
The Y line of course is first since it's my home route. It's suppose to be ALL Articulateds Monday-Friday. But of course you will see (especially in the evenings) your 40 footers and even an occasional Orion V suburban. NOT SUPRISED!! Now were waiting for a bread truck or even 3900 to show up on it!!
Next is the "NEXT BUS" Buses that are suppose to be on the 38B. Of course you will look at the NEXT BUS sign and it will tell you the next bus is in 86 minutes though it runs every 30 minutes during off peak. Reason being 2 out of the 3 buses don't have the "NEXT BUS" technology on this route.
And now the new "Pike Ride" which just started. I think we have seen those buses on almost every possible VA and now DC route that 4 Mile division operates. It's sad that they can't assign these certain buses to where they belong. For us at Ride On, You don't see our route 28 "Van Go" painted shuttle bus riding around on routes it does'nt belong nor the route 92 trolleys.
Yes, those Pike Ride buses are all over the place, except on the routes designated as "Pike Ride". Why bother designating these things if they aren't going to use them? Its just a promotional ploy anyway, so to the paying customer, who cares if there is a yellow banner on the bus or not as long as it shows up.
I would like to know what gives with many of the WMATA destination signs falling into the "Baltimore MTA effect". So many of them are illegible lately, or have the complete wrong destination on them. I know the 24P has pulled up reading 17H Burke or something like that, or it has a paper sign in the window with something that is impossible to read scribbled on it.
I'm becoming very disappointed in the way WMATA has been run lately. Unfortunately, this is a sign of things to come if they stand by their claim that if they don't get $1.5 billion, there will be more problems. More than this? My car is in great running condition.
Damn, its been like 3 months since they started the 100% artics rule on the Y line. What gives?
What I find unfair is that the 5A doesn't have designated buses..I've seen it take off from Rosslyn stuffed with people and luggage running with an Orion VI
Ride On does put buses where they belong but Fairfax Connector should have bought 35 footers instead of 40 footers as many times, I have been on virtually empty 40 footers on many of the Fairfax Connector routes North and South. THE BUS does this too putting buses where they shouldn't be(yea like that was a surprise).
I already warned the guy that this coming haircut is "the" one. Hopefully, he wont have an 'oops' and all of a sudden I have a mohawk. I've been given orders too about the length of my hair. : ) I used this very last cut as a guide to see how it looked a week after I had it, two weeks, etc. Good thing that's really the only thing I'm worried about. My gift to Pam is going to be a straight jacket the way she's feeling right now! LOL
FWIW, NYCT's Orions don't seem as bad (like on the M1 or -- formerly -- on the M104), must have a different diesel or gear ratio. Anybody else notice this?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
The ones on the M1 are mainly 1993 Orions but when they ran on the M104 out of AMS, they had 1995 & 1999 Orions so there is most likely a slight change in the specs.
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Ray
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Patkylekenny
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What would happen if PG County decided to start a rail service? Oh No, PG The Train?!?!?! OH THE HUMANITY!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Notes:Its fall days like these when I get a chance I exercise my butt off! The N22 was at 6:45am, had a nice run to Jamaica with #303. Nice and fast, plus some nice cute commuters. :-)
Back to buses, took a 171 bus from GWB to Riverside Square in Hackensack. Nice cozy little mall. And the bus stop is right in front of Bloomingdale's. Not something you'd expect in an upscale mall. Saw quite a few "baby" RTS's on the route there. Then WALKED up to Van Saun park, took some pics of the beautiful fall foliage there. Then walked some more, up and over to Paramus Park mall. Took a wee bit longer than I thought. Its about an hour walk from Van Saun.
Paramus Park is like a nicer version of the Broadway mall. Then I boarded the 758 down to Garden State Plaza. Was a TMC RTS, the Cummins engine was loud but fast. Also the buses on these routes use fareboxes, unlike the Flxible Metros I always get on the 171. I was talking to the driver about the differences between buses. Unfortunately when I got off some passengers laughed at me because of all the Bustalk. Anyway after a few hours of rest (oh my aching feet and empty stomach). Got another Flx goin back to GWB. Shook alot at idle, just like the one I had going from GWB. Those Cummins are loud, but at NJT theirs are fast.
And you knew I had to leave you with another LI Bus mechanical problem. Got to Jamaica and I made a bus that was supposed to leave 5 min earlier. After I got on a soon found out why. Upon #206 pulling out of 179st the bus engine was at full throttle but we were hardly moving. Around 188st the driver pulled over and shut down the engine, and started it back up. It was still slow going, but at least this time we were going over 10mph. The engine struggled along the whole way, I dont think we got over 30mph. By the time it got to Westbury it was almost 20 min late.
Queens Surfice operates some super express service from 6th Ave making one pickup and then going direct to Queens
Thank You
QSC has a collection of local routes that serve the northern half of Queens, roughly encompassing a triangle from Long Island City to College Point to Jamaica. It also runs a number of express routes from Northeast Queens to Manhattan. Finally it also has a route from Flushing to Co-Op City that also serves as a feeder from the #6 IRT to Co-Op City.
Its website is www.qsbus.com
QSC is owned by the Burke Family.
The other two private companies subsidized by the NYCDOT are New York Bus Service, located in the Bronx on I-95 is owned by Robert Arigoni (sp?) and Liberty Lines Express, located in Westchester, whose ownership I do not know.
M8 Grand Street Crosstown (since discontinued but partly incorporated into the M14A route).
M9 Ave. B (still operated by MABSTOA).
FYI, Fifth Ave. Coach operated most Manhattan routes. Surface Transit operated the following Manhattan routes - M100, M101, M104, M106 (now M42 xtown), and M103 (since abandoned, but was 59th St. Xtown). Surface Transit operated all Bronx routes, including the many the enter upper Manhattan.
Surface Transit also operated many Southern Westchester routes that continued in their hands for many years after 1962 but today are part of the Westchester Bee Line system.
BTW, the New York bus industry corporate history is pretty complex, but there's a really good history on this site with full details and a route history. F'rinstance, Surface Transportation was actually the bus subsidiary of Third Avenue Railways, later acquired by 5th Avenue Coach. Then there was New York Omnibus Corp...........
http://www.mta.info/libus/pdf/n45.pdf
The 9:00 from Bellmore arrives Roosevelt Field at 9:38. The first bus from R.F. is at 10:55. Perhaps it does a run on another line before going back to the 45.
CG
Can you imagine the Q31 from JAMAICA Depot going to Bayside? On a side note, the Q27 will be LIMITED all the way to Cambria Heights! It will also be operated by Casey Stengel.
Enjoy!
Ray
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NO nonsense messages, please.
BTW, Ray, next time you say suff that you heard from me or other peopla, why don't you ask and try to confirm and see if it's ok to post it here, because posting some shit that you shouldn't say on here could get someone in trouble and cause other people to lose trust for someone or even you...so watch what you say here...you never know who might see it and might not speak to you again...
Again, watch what you post, and don't put out rumors you know aren't true or can get someone in trouble...
Incognito
The ORIGINAL West Farms Kid
As yet i have not seen it in the libary where i read it each month
Thany You
David
More specifically, they don't need to be in the Board Agenda, because changing depots doesn't impact the service itself.
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Prior to 1974, Queens Division was comprised of only 2 depots (JAM and Flushing). If things don't improve for Jamaica, then QV and CS will eventually take us back to those days.
Mark
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MetroB
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1-Extend the M-18 from 5th Ave/110th Street to E 106th St/FDR Drive via 5th Ave,E.106th St and stand at FDR Dr. Return via FDR Dr ,E 105th St,1st Ave,E 106th St,E 110th St and current route
This extenstion will provide a one seat ride from East Harlem to Upper Manhattan
2-Extend the M-11 from Abingdon Square to Spring/Washington Street via Bethune St, Washington St and Spring St Return via Spring St,Hudson St,8th Ave,W 14th St,9th Ave and current route. This extenstion will provide service in the Greenwich Village area and allow M-11 passengers to connect to the M-8 and M-21
3-Extend the M-21 in both directions. Uptown to 1st Ave/E 34th St for connection to the M-34 as well as the M-16.
Downtown from Spring/Washington Street to Lower Battery Park City via Houston Street, West Street and the current M-20 route from Chambers St. Return via the current M-20 route to Harrison St then West St,
Spring St and current route
4-Extend the M-9 from Lower Battery Park City to Upper Battery Park City via the M-20 and M-22 routings
Any comments
Thank You
Also since i dont know service down there that well is there a way i can know but a fast way or tell me the easiest way you know?
The M-9 goes to South Ferry as it currently runs via Water Street and the M-10 does terminate at Penn Station for several years after the route was divided into 2 lins
Thank You
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Problem with running the M11 on Washington Street is that it is very narrow and congested. Bus stop locations would also be a problem due to trucks serving businesses in the area.
A route from 125th Street/Amsterdam - South Ferry
Northbound - VIA 10TH AVENUE
Southbound - VIA FDR DRIVE/VIA 5TH AVENUE(Rush Hours Only)
Every 10 minutes - Rush Hours
Every 30 minutes - Off Peak
Every 50 minutes - Late Night
Every 110 minutes - 1200AM-300AM
Operate 500am - 300am
Route will be known as M12 Manhattan Circulator Express
What do you think of weekend service?
And late-night service that operates every 110 minutes (1 hour 50 minutes)??? That would not be worth operating.
David
David
David
Scan of the ride guide brochure linked in this page
Looks obscure enough to run over there...
a)more ODVs
b)CAGVs
c)Thomas SLFs
d)Buses like the SLF, (El Dorados, Blue Birds-to some Blue Bums)
e)Truck buses(ala Corridor Transit, Howard Transit, First Transit(Ride On)
f)A real bus(NABI, Neoplan, Gillig, Orion)
By the way f is not an answer, I just put it there to shock the DC busfans : )
That's true, but the N20/21 is 3 blocks away from the LIRR at Murray Hill, Broadway, Auburndale and Bayside, while it's right on top of the LIRR at Great Neck. Schedule makers probably didn't deem it necessary to state a connection at those stations because most people wouldn't consider something 3 blocks away a "connection". Also, if they did make a note of those "connections", many people wouldn't know where it was, because it's actually 3 blocks away.
Robert
www.regionaltransitservice.com
Also, the system there is called SunBus.
In Palm Springs, SunBus is the brand name for the transit services operated by SunLine.
The ol' truck-buses came second-hand from OCTA in 1999 or so. SunLine kicked them into service on a weird, expensive-to-ride route between Palm Springs and closer-in Riverside County (some counties in California are gigantic.)
SunLine itself has grown well beyond a transit provider, and is today a leading name in alternate fuel applications. Of course, they test a lot of this in transit service. While CNG-powered Orion Vs are the mainstay of their bus fleet, they have had a lot of experimental vehicles in and out since 1994, when they began their alternate fuels program.
As for the transit end, I'd really like to see Route 111 improved to 15-minute service. I'd be very impressed if there's anyone here who could talk SunBus with me...
I have 2 crappy SunBus pictures on my website.
Yes, line 111 is the main route of the SunBus system. It runs primarily on Palm Canyon Road, which is California route 111, hence the numbering of the route. Starts north of Palm Springs near the road that leads to the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway and goes all the way to Indio via Palm Springs, Cathedral City and Palm Desert (and maybe 1 or 2 other communities I have forgotten)
Before the CNG Orion Vs arrived, SunBus had somewhat of an ecclectic (sp?) fleet: second-hand Flxible New Looks and Grummans from Orange County, also some Gillig Phantoms (some which may have been purchased new).
www.regionaltransitservice.com
-F.
I believe Walt Disney World in Florida had a few of the superbuses, but I don't think they lasted very long in the fleet there.
Anyway, the one I rode was one of OCTA's original order. OCTA sold those to RTA in favor of some newer models.
-F.
-F.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
-F.
SmartMover-Great idea, VA shot it in the foot from the time service began in 1999. If VDOT allowed the buses to use the shoulders in Virginia, this route would probably be more appealing to its potential rider base and worth saving. My understanding is that the Free Wheeling Days helped the 14C and 14D gain alot of Lakeforest to Rock Spring/Montgomery Mall passengers, proven by the number of short turns at Rock Spring. Perhaps if the Tysons service is cut, the Lakeforest to Rock Spring service will be operated by the 991 or renamed to a Maryland route number (perhaps C14 or D14 but those are already in use).
B11-The question about this route is how many of its passengers are going to Rosslyn and how many are people who would be on an even 30 or Ride-On 42 bus if the B11 had not shown up first? If this route is in fact taking people to Rosslyn or taking people from the Wisconsin Avenue corridor into Maryland to Bethesda and NIH, then this route has a basis on which it could try to grasp onto life for a little while longer. Ways to improve the B11 could be eliminating or reducing the amount of Ride-On 42 service during rush hours, creating a limited bus (one of the even 30s or the B11) along Wisconsin Avenue, creating bi-directional rush hour service, or creating midday service. But if this route is just picking up passengers because it shows up before the bus they planned to take did, I would suggest we send the B11 to join the 27 in bus route heaven.
C18-Unfortunately, I do not know much about this route. Thus, I have no commentary. You are now invited to read about the G1, which is directly below this text.
G1-Who is so lazy they can't walk to their car? The Greenbelt parking lot can't be so large that these people can't walk to their car. If they really can't walk, they should apply for handicapped tags and then use the handicapped spaces. More could be added if the need arose. But a bus to take you to your car? This isn't BWI or Dulles Airport where the parking lots are miles from the terminal. Also, how many Metro passengers come with multiple suitcases or so much stuff they can't manage taking it to their car on their own? This route has a defense even worse than that of the 27.
N7-The route that will never die. I don't think this route is going anywhere. Its riders are of the type who can and will push their politicians to retain this route. The funding will come from somewhere. If a surcharge needs to be paid to keep the route, its passengers will probably pay it. The one thing that might help this route is moving the terminal to the corner of River Road and Burdette Road or rerouting it up Seven Locks Road and Democracy Boulevard to Montgomery Mall. I never see many people on the N7 when it comes off the Beltway.
N11/N13-A vital link between Maryland and Virginia until a rail line is built across the Wilson Bridge. This route makes sense and probably should be run like the SmartMover buses are, in the shoulders when there is heavy traffic. That might give the route the boost it needs to keep it alive. Without question, running it all day 5 days a week was stupid. But the rush hour service is needed and probably worth keeping.
So, my suggestion for which routes should be kept (a high number means it is a better candidate for elimination):
1. SmartMover
2. N7
3. N11/N13
4. B11
5. C18
6. G1
I would be interested in the thoughts/comments of others.
Branch to Alexandria:
Green to L'Enfant
Yellow to King
Bethesda to Tysons:
Red to Metro Center
Orange to ?
Bus to Tysons
Lakeforest to Tysons:
Get in car
Montgomery Village Avenue to 270
270 S to outer loop of beltway
495 into VA
Take exit for VA 7 west to Leesburg
I think there should be something from PG County to VA. The old P13 probably did ok running from Oxon Hill to Pentagon.
The B11, what a waste. I agree that they need to do something to speed that thing up to make it somewhat useful, but if anyone can't take a 30 bus to G'Town and then catch the 38B, then I don't know what they did before the B11. The could always create a new 30's line, such as a 31 and run it to Rosslyn or something, but that whole B11 thing is stupid.
G1, well, the Greenbelt lot is big, but I agree that a shuttle just for that is probably pretty useless. If anything there should just be more metro patrols there to ensure the safety of those parking there.
The Smart Mover should definitely be kept. I think having something running from Lakeforest to Montgomery Mall/Rock Spring is good and something that runs from Bethesda to Tysons is fine. Just have a 14A and a 14C, or something to that nature. Or, have another J route take over the 14C/D. Call it the J7.
I've never been on the C18, either. Kind of a strange route, probably useless.
Other routes I'd say could go: Y8, Q2, Z8, just kidding. Really, what I could also see going are the 24M/P, the 22 line being cut back somewhat and the 5B eventually being cut and taken over completely by the 5A.
2)The N7 is like Freddy Kreuger it will never die the riders who ride it are a small group but vocal. Of course one way to kill that route is to put Orion IIs on it, that will scare them from that route forever : )
3)N11, N13 in one word, P13. It had more ridership than the N11 and 13. I would rename the route N11, N15 and have the N15 go from Branch Avenue to the Pentagon and to Pentagon City. I would also add some local routes crossing the Wilson Bridge towards places like the Pentagon, Pentagon City, Old Town Alexandria, Potomac Yards, Landmark Mall(hey we could use the business), Springfield Mall/Springfield station. That might work better than the N11,13, this route really doesn't go anywhere and really doesn't have the ability to get the ridership as a PG to Pentagon, or to the other places I mentioned would have. I would also throw in Crystal City as a possible place where it could get decent ridership.
4)B11 just plain discontinue and the G1 I have seen not one person board that bus, hell until someone mentioned it I didn't even know it had a route number. It also has got to be the most boring route in WMATA history and I am pretty sure it is among the most hated among Landover drivers.
5)C18 honestly I have not seen many people on this route, they should discontinue that route and maybe replace it with a vanbus shuttle to operate along 301 and the St. Charles Town Center.
Another route that should be discontinued should be the 13. It is useless and really the only time where you see people on it is during rush hour. I think if you extend either the 52, 70 or S2/4 to the Pentagon, they would probably have more patronage than the regular 13 route.
Honestly, my guess is 3900 goes back to wheverever the lowest 3900s are once the Grosvenor garage is finished.
Smart Mover: 14 - Need a beltway alternative from Montgomery County to N. Virginia. I rode this line, and its better than sitting and driving on that parking lot called the Beltway.
C18 - If you want better ridership, run this line local between Branch Av and Clinton, get rid of THE BUS route that parallels it, run reverse commute trips during rush hours, extend the operating hours to midnight, and run this line on Sundays.
N11/13 - Keep this route as is. But sometimes, the Yellow line-transfer to Green Line to Branch Ave can take almost as much time as the bus during rush hour.
Northern VA, it's a nice place to drive, but I wouldn't want to take a bus there.
A plus for Ride-On, the order of the points of interest on the front of the route 9 schedule have been changed from past editions. I personally approve of this rearragement, maybe some of you can figure out why.
Michael
Washington, DC
Notes: Just went to Walt Whitman mall today, crummy weather for anything else. We had a real fast op on 382, was a fun ride. Pretty fast going back too. Light ridership today, probably due to the weather. At least I didnt have to ride any Cummins today!
Damnnnnnn!!!! ;-D
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I have a little something for everybody. Please take time to look at them and let me know how you feel. As time progresses, I will be adding more pictures so bear with me.
Below are some samples.
Thank you.
QUEENS SURFACE
431 - Qrion CNG Transit
Triboro Coach
3055 - Orion CNG - Suburban
Ray
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Bx36#7646
I hope this helps.
Mark
David
JD
2. Extend the Bx20(during middays and rush hours) to 263rd Street -Riverdale Avenue
3. Cut the Bx7 back from 168th Street, to 231st Street Broadway (connect to (1) (9))
4. Extend the new Bx7 route to Yonkers(connect to Metro North)
This will allow the Bx20 to run on Sundays again as well and give it more use
Also, Bx20 customers have the Bx10 on Sundays to serve their area. And such a short route (Bx7) would make it useless, and give it the slow death that eventually killed the Bx24 in the mid-1990s.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
O.Zamora,
Lord Kingsbridge
unfortunately, any combining of Muldy Lane trips will make the cuttent Bx16 stop in Mt Vernon(and one in the Bronx) lose service, and people by Pitman and Sandford Blvd(6th St) would have to walk up to 5th St and Nereid(238th St) to get a bus, these people may complain about the loss of service, so some Bx16 buses(or another bus) would have to short turn there on weekdays, or give them the Bx34 (24/7 service as a makeup)
Secondly, I cannot answer this for myself, but how light or heavy is the ridership on Bee Line Route 8 between Getty Square and Tuckahoe (so that the W8 could possibly be axed?) As it is, the turnaround for the W8, Bx7, and Bx10 is rather odd. (Buses have to U-turn in the middle of Riverdale Avenue at the county line.)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
The point is that the MTA can go whereever they please. However, they won't force themselves on anyone. Paperwork is second to demand and politics.
The W54 was almost eliminated, but survived because the Bx16, Bx34 didn't go into Mount Vernon
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
O.Zamora
The 100St Flyer
5. 7000
Also, the bus with a 1996 interior that is a 1998 (actually 1997) bus is 9351. Someone can help me with the rest. While on this subject, there is only one bus left with the South Bronx numbering on her rear. What is it?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Ray
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
What New Flyer has a 1991 Luminator sing inside of the bus? HINT: It is NOT a D60HF.
Guess which Fresh Pond bus(a Nova) has blue numbers like the older buses with the white front interior. And Big Al, don't give away the answer yet.
BIG AL
Ray
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Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
MetroB
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
B45#4214 LTD
You mean like those horrible 4200's that were dumped in FP? JA, should get some newer buses eventually though, give them 9229-9249.
BLX loves you.
BIG AL
BIG AL
BIG AL
On a similar note, I think the terms "Jerked Jam" and Jam Jerked" need to have their radios and fareboxes removed, decals and markings scraped orf and sent to NIMCO for shredding. Too much mileage for one thing, and the sexual undertones alone are enough to put these puppies to sleep.
Jamaica Buses, Inc.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
Peace,
Kevin
Again, NO NONSENCE to be posted about this message.
2) The Staten Island depots are both bursting at the seams. Shuffling routes between the two is not easily as explained as other areas because of that reason.
Jason
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Again, NO NONSENCE to be posted about this message.
Poor grammar too, he left out the word is to be posted about...
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
At least I was.
Peace
David
Notes:
*198 stalled out as we just started moving in the left lane turning onto Endo Blvd from Stewart avenue. Driver tried at least 10 times to get it restarted, but it would just keep turning without the engine going on. Got on the radio we had to wait 25 min for a truck. Because we were stuck in the middle of the road no one could get off the bus. Repair truck shows up and manages to get it restarted. Stalls once, but the 2nd try works. After that we were instructed to remain in service, and make the regular route (I got off at Roosevelt Field). Of course by the time we got running again the next bus was already following us. Cummins strikes again! Whats weird is the HVAC goes on while the bus turns over. On a hot or cold day you could just keep you finger on the start button to get air!
Later in the day in Greenvale I observed the 2:25pm N27 out of Glen Cove running very late, passing by at 3:40pm. I have a feeling that disabled bus I saw at Jericho Turnpike by Jay Ct had something to do with it ('nother Cummins) The 3:25pm was just a few minutes behind it.
And the 5:20pm #172 N22, which always runs late, didnt show up in Hicksville until 5:35pm. I got on the next bus #151 (5:40pm), which came before #172 left. We passed #172 right before the parkway overpass and left it in the dust. Thats why it always pays to wait for the 2nd bus if its scheduled to arrive in 5-10 min, when the leader is behind schedule.
Of course we had some rough weather here, had some heavy downpours around 4pm and an intense rainsquall as I was getting off the N20 in Hicksville. That big LIRR overpass offered little protection from the horizontal rain!
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I have a Corgi Old Look in the Surface Transportation Company livery. The route sign says M104 with Grand Central as the destination. Don't know the accuracy of the route.
Perhaps check http://www.nycsubway.org/bus/busroutes.html on this site. It may have some more info for you
ST also operated the entire Bronx bus network, including numerous routes that connect the Bronx to upper Manhattan beginning at 125th Street all the way to 207th Street. These routes are now all MABSTOA and many have been renumbered or modified.
Finally ST owned Westchester Street Transportation, which operated buses in Southern Westchester from hubs in New Rochelle and White Plains. These routes are part of today's Bee Line operation.
The M104 Broadway route with Grand Central as a destination is accurate because a few M104s short turned at GCT - most continued east to First Ave. Amazingly today's M104 is not changed much from years ago except for the NB operation on 8th Ave. from 42nd St. to Columbus Circle.
Now unto Westchester County...
Westchester Street Transportation Co.was set up by TARS on November 11, 1936. It continued to operate as TARS/Surface Transportation unit until Fifth Avenue Coach took over. It operated a wide variety of buses, i.e. Fageol, Studebaker, Six-Wheel, White, Twin, GM TDH 3610 and Mack C-37GT.
In 1957, WST acquired 4 ex-Fifth Avenue GM TD 4506s. When Fifth Avenue and Surface Transit went on strike in 1962, Fifth Avenue Coach sent 87 GM buses, mostly TDH 4509s, TD 4506, TD 4507, and TD 5401(This was the unique #2500, this bus was destroyed in a garage fire in 1968) All these buses remained in Fifth Avenue's green and cream scheme. Some were letered "Go The Motor Coach Way"
In 1969, Liberty Coaches purchased all of WST's White Plains Division.
WST operated approximately 16 routes covering New Rochelle, Mt.Vernon, Pelham, Mamaroneck, Tuckahoe, and White Plains.
One unusual feature was that WST did not have numbers for their routes but rather leters.
Plus I seem to recall the Surface Transportation Macks that WST used were painted red below the windows, cream along the windows but with deep blue roofs. Maybe not.
Finally, I vividly recall WST 2500. It was B-I-G! The wide front door had a railing separating boarding passengers from those getting off. I guess so riders could get on and off at the same time. I used to see it on the White Plains-Yonkers route, today's W5 and back then the...J?. In the old WST days that route used to turn in White Plains at Broadway and Main, a little traffic circle where Club Transportation 20s and 21s also turned. There would be many more Club buses there than those of WST (usually just one). The latter used to look kinda like a party crasher.
The eight routes and buses, the non Macks (sold to north Jersey operators), were divided between Liberty Coaches, Club Transportation, Westchester Street Transportation.
The only thing I can remember about Yonkers Transit was reading about them in an article I found somewhere...I guess in the Herald Statesman. I never saw Yonkers Transit in person, at least not that I can remember (I grew up in White Plains). Pictured in the article was (I think) a new GM Fishbowl (did they have any?) and maybe a Mack (probably when new). And was Yonkers Transit a family-owned operation?
A Secondary Routing plan would be, Right on Mill Road, and Right on Peninsula Blvd to Rockaway Tpke, Right towards shopping area, and I gues Turn around in parking lot.
O.Zamora
The Manhattanville Hill Billy
I'm not sure how much of a help a line that basically runs once every 45 minutes would be!
A historical note - when MSBA took over the private lines in the 70's, the N3 ran between Franklin Square and Hempstead. Interestingly, the headway was about every 45 minutes back then. I forget when the N3 was cut back from Hemptsead to Franklin Square, its original northerly terminus, but don't think the Hempstead service lasted too long.
Also, the timetable advertises that is serves Franklin General Hospital. When I was driving on the eastbound Southern State Service Road between Corona and Franklin Avenues a few weeks back, I didn't see the bus stop sign that had been put up when N8 service first began. Does the N8 still stop somewhere in the vicinity of Franklin General Hospital? If southbound buses no longer stop where the bus stop sign used to be, I believe the next marked bus stop is at Dutch Broadway and Meachem Avenue, a long distance away from Franklin General. My suggestion, in any event, would be to re-route the N8 to stop at the bus stop in front of Franklin General. That stop along the service road made very little sense for a number of reasons.
That was probally the N17
I did see an N8 heading south on Corona across the SSP last week -- don't know if the destination was Franklin Square or Green Acres, though.
CG
Q24 - I think the Q24 should end at Hillside Av and 168th St. From there, pick up passengers at the OLD Q4 bus stop.
Q26 - I think the Q26 should be extended further in to Fresh Meadows like 64th Av and 188th St. A right on Francis Lewis Blvd, right on Horace Harding Expwy and a left on 188th St and goaround the circle to come back.
Q30 LIMITED!!!!! Enough said! I would have the LIMITED service run from Union Tpke to Springfield Blvd
Q54 and Q56 - I think the Q54 and Q56 should end at Hillside Av and 170th St. This way they can get there bus down the block on 171st St. That's my opinion!
More Later!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Not bad but might not be necessary. Also does it really have sufficient service to do so?
Q54 and Q56 - I think the Q54 and Q56 should end at Hillside Av and 170th St. This way they can get there bus down the block on 171st St. That's my opinion!
The Q54 & 56 plan doesn't sound that bad but why not let it go to 169 St to serve as a feeder to the F train?
I also think the Q5, 46 & 85 should have bi-directional LTD stop service in the PM rush.
1-Extend the Q-27 from Queens Village LIRR Station to 120th Ave via Springfield Blvd to Francis Lewis Blvd(left) to 120th Ave(Right) to Springfield BLvd(right) and stand at Francis Lewis Blvd. Return via Springfield Blvd and regular route at Jamaica Ave
2-The Q-83 will operate from Hillside Ave to 227th St/113th Drive
only
No mention of short turn Q-83 or if the Q-27 will operate 24 hours a day south of Horace Harding Blvd/Springfield Blvd current terminal between approx 1:30AM and 4:30AM
3-Reroute Limited Stop service on Q-4,Q-5 and Q-85 via Liberty Ave and 160th Street AM Peak Rush
4-Implement Reverse Peak Q-4 Limited Stop service to Linden Blvd AM Peak Rush
All changes to start January 2004
Thank You
The Q27 "hawk" will continue to run only between Flushing and Springfield & Horace Harding.
The Q83 short trips aren't mentioned because short trips that run during the "long" service span don't require Board approval.
This will now require a public hearing since they will have a service reduction
Thank You
Here's the post
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=85429
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But from this picture of the rear, it appears there is no engine in the back!
With me eyes all I saw were disconnected hoses in that opening.
From the rear yard, a Gillig Phanton still remains on the property
Now for the remaining pics (diesel Orion V pulling out in first shot)
I still wonder whats going on with the 500 series Orion V's though, they're sitting all around the property. And they all still have fareboxes in them, but look "Cannibalized" for parts. What a shame, they all ran pretty damn good. Better than that Cummins garbage.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
(and u didn't bother to notify me ;-) )
Wait, what was I thinking? They're still waiting for the next generation of CAGVs to come out before they make a new bus purchase...
SEPTA needs "competition"...people don't know anything better than SEPTA, and it's so sad...
Hell no, he'll run them down with the bus :-)
with
the bus :-)
And after Trevor is through with the egg throwers, THE EGGS WILL BE MADE AS PART OF:
PANCAKES
Have you ever ridden on Trevor's bus?
Also, I don't think you should be posting about Trevor anymore...
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Does anyone have the EXACT Routing of this and any other Brooklyn , Queens Shuttles
Thanks
Steve
FDNY
BTW, its only on Saturday this weekend, then from 12:01am Sat-5am Mon the next two weekends.
I'd imagine the choices look something like this:
Low Sulfer Diesel
Compressed Natural Gas
Diesel-Electric Hybrid
CNG-Electric Hybrid
Electric Trolleybus
Diesel-ETB duomode
CNG-ETB Duomode
Gas Turbine-Electric Hybrid
Steam Vapor Turbine-Electric Hybrid
Fuel Cell
Fuel Cell-ETB Duomode
Me? I'm sure the AIM Subchatters could attest to my preference Electic Trolleybus. It's only propulsion source listed there that doesn't produce any exhaust at all, it also produces a very light bus with a very responsive powerplant, since with an electric motor power comes instantaneously, not once the engine is spun up. A trolleybus requires no fuel other than what it gets through the wires, is extremely low maitenance, and also has superior hill climbing ability when compared to other busses, thanks to the electric motors. Just about the only drawback to the electric trolleybus is the neccesity of installing infrastructure, which would have been a much easier sell back in the day when ETBs were replacing streetcars and the infrastructure was largely there in the form of poles, substations, and even some wire used to run the trolleys.
However, I do recognize that ETB would not be a solution to every transit provider's needs, for one ETB really is only more efficient on very local routes where it's superior acceleration and lack of particulate matter at low RPMs can be accentuated. Also the need for infrastructure to run the busses means that it'd most likely work better in an urban setting. For other transit providers with more express-type runs, such as NJT, Ride-On, and OCTA, I'd prefer Diesel-Electric Hybrid or Fuel Cell busses. Fuel Cell technology seems to be creeping along, but it's still pretty immature technologically, so Diesel Electric Hybrid it is. Of the choices above, outside ETB and Fuel Cell, Hybrid technology is the only one to drastically reduce both the emmissions of particulate matter and greenhouse gasses. Also it requires no installed infrastructure, which keeps with the image most people have of busses as just large cars. I would like to see Diesel Hybrid technology progress to the point where the diesel motor would be little more than a generator for recharging, while the batteries do all the heavy exertion stuff. Listening to SEPTA's DE40LF, it sounds to me like the Diesel engine kicks in too quickly, which leads me to belive that the battery loses it's charge too fast. If battery technology could progress to the point where they could get the bus up to 45mph from a standing start, at which point the diesel could take over for either keeping speed or running up to whatever higher speed may be required, then Hybrid technology could come of age.
Oh well, I've tossed in my two cents, anyone else?
-F.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Tempe's Flash Neighborhood Shuttles and Phoenix Copper Square DASH Have 19 Passenger All Electric Buses (With Mile Long Ext. Cords for a Quick Charge)
Diesel Is used in Valley Metro GM RTS4, TMC RTS6, MANN ARTICS, New Flyer LF40 and the New LF60 Artics comming soon.
Yes, I do belive my words were "I'd imagine the choices look something like this:". I did not purport to put together a complete list of alternative fuel sources, merely a couple of options.
I'm not even sure if that's possible, at least on a theoretical level, I could include nearly every source power I can think of, and then somebody will say "What about rubberband power?" or "What about pedal power," and then I'm back at square one.
I probably should remember methanol, since I was in Seattle when it was tried, and remember one of my parents commenting on how the exhaust smelled different.
But oh well...
My first choice would be hardcore Diesel.
Diesel engines are thermally less efficient than electric motors, they're noisy, heavy engines that vibrate the heck out of the frame. Diesel engines load slow and accelerate worse, they're least efficient at low RPMs when designed for automotive type-conditions. This is of course compared to the electric powerplant, which loads instantly, and which delivers power in that same instant, all without the need for the powerplant to come up to speed. DC and 3-phase AC electric engines also have incredible torque, this is nothing new, the Pacific Northwest mainline railroad electrifications of the 1910s by the GN and Milwaukee railroad specifically used three wire 6000VAC 3phase and 3000VDC catenary respectively to take advantage of this. Since modern frequency control electronics allow us to have superior control over the AC induction motor, we can have all the advantages of a high torque engine with all the high end speed. This allows them to out-accelerate a diesel bus, or to have superior hill climbing ability.
An ETB is also bound to be lighter than a diesel bus, especially with the current round of EPA regs restricting the emissions diesel powered vehicles can give off. Unfortunately those are biased against the particulate side of the emissions, ignoring the greenhouse gas the CNG, and the assorted invisible shit that automobiles give off, however it means more weight for the diesel busses in the form of EGR, particulate traps, and whatever else the EPA decides to saddle diesel busses with. ETB leaves the pollution control equipment back at the powerplant, where it belongs, which means that the pollution control equipment is in a more stable, better maintained environment where it can do it's job, as opposed to strapping it to the bus, where it'd be subject to the elements, acceleration forces, and the whims of a spotty maitenance staff at a TA running on a shoestring budget (witness SEPTA's brand new D40LFs, and the 7 year old NABIs, both of which will smoke on occasion). Of course a lighter bus means that less power will be needed to accelerate that bus at the same rate as a heavier bus, or that that lighter bus can accelerate faster, given a higher power powerplant.
Certainly ETB at least sends the message that the TA is doing their best to prevent pollution, and that any pollution which results from their transit is the fault of the power generator and not the TA. This 'pass the buck' issue alone could be worth millions in legal issues if people actually start suing over Diesel and CNG exhaust causing cancer or asthma. The TA can say, 'who me, give you cancer? hell no, it was the evil power company, go sue them' and since the TA has made such a massive investment in their infrastructure to prevent just such an occurance, no sane lawyer would persue it, sure most TA's generally settle, however, perhaps if the TA were in such a defensible position as this, it'd be apt to fight back in court. If TAs simply go on using straight up diesel and act as if nothing is wrong, then they are leaving themselves open to a massive lawsuit for something along the lines of gross negligence.
It's astounding that big oil ever talked nearly every TA into abandoning the quiet, clean and efficient ETB. Even more astounding is the fact that this abandonment largely occured at the height of the nuclear craze of the 1950s and 60s, when by 1980 we were going to get more than 60% of this country's power needs with nuclear power and the Three Mile Island disaster wasn't even thought of yet, plus nobody'd heard of the SL-1 or Fermi reactor meltdowns that had happened at that time. Since diesel busses can't exactly take advantage of the power generated by a nuclear reactor it would seem logical that the cities that had ETB, and got a percentage, no matter how small, from a nuclear plant, would tout their ETB's as being powered by the atom, or some other marketing ploy. Apparantly big oil somehow found a way to quash that, and make sure that more and more infrastructure was torn up and replaced with an inferior transit system, just so they could move a few more million barrels of oil. It's amazing the amount of pull money can buy in this country.
However, you have to consider that really you're balancing years of particulate and greenhouse gas emmissions against the loss of service for 1 to 2 days in a blackout that strikes once a decade at most. Certainly such a trade off is more than worthwhile. There will always be some diesel, CNG, or Diesel-Hybrid busses around that can run in the event, to run a transit system with only ETB vehicles would be nearly as stupid as running an all-diesel system. Those busses can pick up for the ETB vehicles when the power goes out, admittedly it'd be crowded, but since people would most likely be just going straight home to huddle around a lantern ro candle as opposed to making multiple trips, it'd certainly be bearable.
Also, CNG is perhaps the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against us. CNG is in no way better for the environment than a regular diesel bus. It may not produce any particulate matter, so it looks cleaner, however CNG produces more NOx, CO2 and CO pollution than diesel. It only looks cleaner, it's still spewing forth tons of greenhouse gas per mile.
So why not diesel hybrids? Surely they're a proven technology, and they've got a significant advantage in terms of emissions over Diesel and CNG busses. So why not those?
I'm not even sure if that's possible, at least on a theoretical level, I could include nearly every source power I can think of, and then somebody will say "What about rubberband power?" or "What about pedal power," and then I'm back at square one.
However, capital costs can be covered by the feds, at least partially, and a small scale project like electrifying a previously diesel route could very well garner 80/20 fed/local funding, thereby making it more attractive to the small town. It's operational costs that TA's care about, for that's where the fare goes. And in that respect, the systems in operation (Boston, Dayton, Philly, San Fran, and Seattle) run the gamut from the ETBs being radically cheaper than the diesel busses to operate, to the ETBs being more expensive than the diesels to operate. Unfortunately I'm working off old data, from 1996, but in that year Dayton's trolley's were 20 cents more expensive to operate per passenger mile ($1.090 Diesel vs. $1.232 ETB), San Fran's Trolley Bus was 20 cents cheaper to operate ($0.649 Diesel vs. $0.628 ETB), Philadelphia just about was dead tied, with the ETB just a penny cheaper per passenger-mile ($0.746 Diesel vs $0.737 ETB), Boston set an example, with ETB beating Diesel out by some 17 or so ($0.611 Diesel vs.$0.586 ETB). Sadly Seattle did the opposite with their ETB network costing them almost 50 cents more per passenger mile than their Diesel bus network ($0.454 Diesel vs. $0.915 ETB), however I'd like to look at that again, because IIRC that was when the 36 was extended, which could have lead to higher figures for the ETB, also it's unclear as to where the Breda Duomode busses fall, whether they are counted as Diesels or ETB.
So ETB isn't really all that more expensive to maintain, in fact if you take the standard deviation of these figures, you'd see that ETB comes out merely 10 cents or so more expensive than Diesel busses. Also it's important to remember that ETB delivers superior accleration, superior hill-climbing ability, and all this without any pollution at the site. Also ETBs are very thermally efficient, with electric motors now capable of converting as much as 80 percent of the power they recieve into tractive effort. In addition, at least in the case of Vancouver's Translink, they use less energy per mile than diesel busses, 9.84 MJ/km for ETB versus 24.1 MJ/km for Diesel. And yes, in Vancouver the ETBs travel slower than the diesels on average, this is mostly due to the network design, the diesels, which accelerate like crap run more limited runs, with fewer stops, while the ETBs do not suffer from getting stuck in the hole while their engine spins up, are able to stop more often, providing better service. It also should be noted that Translink is using 1982 and 83 Flyer trolley coaches, which means they're celebrating their 20th birthday this year, and their retirement is at least 5 years away, you'd be hard pressed to find Diesel busses lasting 25-30 years in one job with their original powerplant and all.
Finally, here's my references:
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/t2000bc/learning/etb/
http://www.publicpurpose.com/ut-us96-im$pm.htm
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/t2000bc/learning/vancouver/operating_stats.html
Actually modern ETBs can blaze a trail quite well, at least for a little while. The Skodas that Dayton RTA and San Fransisco Muni got both have batteries on board that allow them to make short off-wire excursions, such as a 1-2 block outage due to street work. I think Boston's new Skoda-Neoplan ETBs are similarly equipped, but Seattle's rebuilt AMG-Gilligs roofs are curiously sparse, so unless they packed it under the floor, I don't think those have battery backup. VanHool's AG300T rigid has a 67hp backup diesel engine for off-wire moves, I'm not sure about the artic version, but I'd imagine theres something similar there.
To see what I'm talking about go to this page, which has videos of the trolleys running off wire for a streets project in Dayton:
http://daytontrolleys.homeip.net/movies/movies.html
This is the beginning of the end...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
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The Jackie Gleason/Flatbush Kid
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Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
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BIG AL
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BIG AL
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BIG AL
B1#8448
From Potomac Community Center
Normal to Seven Locks Road
R on Seven Locks
L on Democracy
L on Westlake
R on Tuckerman
Normal to Grosvenor
Reverse for outbound trips.
I found out about the closure from WTOP's Lisa Baden.
This afternoon, they had a 99 Gillig on block E5 and one of the hammerhead Orion Is on block K3 covering the 37.
I could start a list of stupid things I saw drivers doing this morning but I won't bore you with that...
Also, the stop at Bethesda Pool has a discontinued sticker. Did someone want to get rid of the 27 really really badly?
I'm coping as you may be able to tell. You have ensured that I get my exercise walking home every day, I can thank you for that.
8782, 8791, 8798, 8915, 8928, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8981, 8988, 8991, 9031, 9040, 9062, 9089, 9101, 9113-9114, 9118, 9176-9185, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223, 9243
Enjoy! Please add on to the list!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
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8782, 8791, 8798, 8900, 8911, 8915, 8928, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8981, 8988, 8991, 9031, 9040, 9062, 9089, 9101, 9113-9114, 9118, 9176-9185, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223, 9237, 9243
Please continue to add on to this roster!!!
Enjoy!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Peace
David
Thanks again!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
10/28/03
N35 #309
N15 #209
Kinda Ironic I get 2 buses yesterday with the last 2 numbers being 09 and today I ride 209 again, twice! Sure have been seeing alot of you, 209!
Actually, Perris is in Riverside County. The actual name of the place is the Orange Empire Railway museum. I've never been there, but I have been in the general vicinity, especially on the 215 freeway.
Basically they have a lot of railroad stuff and some trolley and PCC stuff. The website made no reference to buses and has no equipment roster on it.
Didn't know about Bus-Talk back then and never thought to take a picture of it.
The bus hasn't been there for several years.
Wonder what happened to it. If I pass by and the yard is open, I'll stop in and inquire.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd have to say that ridership on the 316/LUCY may justify the use of the Internationals; it's been a long time since I've been up to Willow Grove, but I think they can get away with moving the ElDos from Germantown to Frontier and use the Internationals.
And, no, the Fords aren't being junked yet. I'm still seeing them on the 92 every day. Yet, the 304, which has a similar ridership level to the 92/133, has apparently been getting ElDos assigned there (and you can't tell me that politics have nothing to do with it, either).
It's also odd that 4555 and 4556 are now at Frontier, since I thought runs were being eliminated, thus freeing buses up for Red Arrow. Problem is, buses during the evening rush have been leaving the depot late because of a chronic bus shortage (I believe it's now down to 126 buses, with the moving of 4555 and 4556).
Runs being eliminated at Frontier? On what routes? I know that the frequencies for the conshey trips on the 95 was reduced from 3 times per half hour to every 15 minutes. It would be nice if ridership could be boosted a bit on routes like the 96 and 98, and especially the 99!
I think the Dorados are back from the shops, because the 95 is chock full of Dorados now, and I haven't really seen any NABIs on that route, and I've been seeing a couple of Neos on it, as well as New Flyers, probably due to the fact that the 97 is now a bicycle route (ha!).
Maybe the internationals would be good for the privates since it would be more consistent with the rest of their fleets. I know that Krapfs runs tons of cutaways, and Keystone (?) as well. I'm not sure what Germantown runs, I know they used to run the Chestnut Hill Trolley.
The last time I was at Willow Grove a saw a few Breeze vans, but I saw a Dorado on the 310 as well. Of course, that was last summer too. The 80 must be helping out with ridership anyway.
They also leased 3 Maryland Transit Administration Baby Flxs (8752-8754) for the 310. The last time I was at Willow Grove, I noticed that the 310 still used Dorados, but the 311 used the Fords. I don't know how much of an impact the 80 had on the 310/311, but I'd suspect it certainly helped.
Runs being eliminated at Frontier? On what routes? I know that the frequencies for the conshey trips on the 95 was reduced from 3 times per half hour to every 15 minutes. It would be nice if ridership could be boosted a bit on routes like the 96 and 98, and especially the 99!
The Royersford-Pottstown service on the 99 was eliminated, as was the entire 203 route and the "double section" AM peak bus on the 201 (it now only requires a single bus instead of two). The Gulph Mills-Conshohocken trips were reduced last year to match P&W timetables, and that came after much complaining to the powers that be at 1234 Market. Mid-day service on the 128 was also reduced somewhat. The 95 was cut back from 2 peak hour trips between Penn Square and Plymouth Meeting to an hourly trip.
I think the Dorados are back from the shops, because the 95 is chock full of Dorados now, and I haven't really seen any NABIs on that route, and I've been seeing a couple of Neos on it, as well as New Flyers, probably due to the fact that the 97 is now a bicycle route (ha!).
That doesn't explain how I saw 3326 (6019 block) and 3374 (6020 block) working on the 92 last night. The buses passed each other at Phoenixville Pk and Boot Rd. I don't recall seeing back to back 40-ft buses on the 92 since before the Fords arrived back in 1998 (after the 1300s were shifted to Red Arrow yet before the Fords arrived, the 92 always saw either 8800s or low 3200s).
Maybe the internationals would be good for the privates since it would be more consistent with the rest of their fleets. I know that Krapfs runs tons of cutaways, and Keystone (?) as well. I'm not sure what Germantown runs, I know they used to run the Chestnut Hill Trolley.
Germantown had several Fords for use on the Cornwells Heights parking lot shuttle, the 310/311, and the Phlash service (since discontinued).
Krapf's had several more Fords than what it had now; at the start of the year, they had 9: 2 for use on the 207/Whirl and the remaining 7 for use on the 204 and 208. When the 208 was eliminated, at least three Fords were moved to Germantown.
Keystone has 6 older Fords; I would expect that they'd either get 1999 Fords or the Internationals. None of their destination signs are functioning.
Let's see how this inconveniences me.
1) No alternative for a school bus ride unless I want to either leave 20 minutes earlier or automatically be late and deal with the most obnoxious people at the office.
2) In subzero temperatures, I get to go on a half an hour walk to the mall just so I can catch the 4:24 bus so I can get to my violin lesson on time by catching the bus that won't get caught in traffic (this is on the L).
3) No 2:45 bus...I'll admit that one should go, but hey, I get to wait extra time at the mall waiting for the next 95 to show up...so much for a quick cashing of my pay check before doing anything else, especially going to work.
Here's what irks me even more... NO NOTICES! as much as SEPTA would like to believe this, people do take the 95 between Penn Squre and the Mall. In fact, a good portion of ridership lies in that area, and hey, theres enough service for at least some half hourly service! Now, many people will miss not one, but two L connections (the 4:35 would never make the 4:44 L at the mall, and of course they'll miss the 4:24 bus). Then, it's probably at least a 50 minute walk (at my pace, which is fast) to the mall from Northtowne Plaza (which I walk home from, and it takes me a half an hour to walk home from there (at Dekalb). All those poor people who work there... who wait for their bus to show up and it doesn't...it's just like the L and the fact that the bridge was finished and L buses don't detour anymore, but nothing on the website...
SEPTA can't possibly save THAT much money by shortening a few runs per day just a mile or so...sigh, it's just enough to inconvenient...that's what makes me so irritated. Plus, the 95 has been growing, getting better and better, and now they immensely hurt it. Whatever happened to viewing the future! What's so wrong with filling it with Dorados...don't they burn less fuel or something? Must 40ft buses ALWAYS be filled?! ARGH!
An Angry SEPTA patron.
Sigh, crappy NABIs like 5040, cut back service.
Also, a gripe that is now important...bus dirvers need to know how to sign. You can't be going to Penn Square and have your bus signed as Plymouth Meeting Mall. There is confusiion for you!
Sigh, I knew something like this would happen...
BIG AL
The school bus schedule was recently changed to come 15 minutes earlier than the old time.
I expected the driver to come at the new time on Monday...he didn't.
I tried again Tuesday...he didn't, so I just guessed he wasn't going to start using the new time for some reason, however...
Wednesday, he decided to come at the new time, so unfortunately, I missed it. Also, a girl who came to her stop at 7:00 (that's 8 minutes before the bus comes) missed it as well, so, yeah...
I learned that my school bus transportation is about as unreliable if not more than a SEPTA Frontier route, and if it weren't for the fact there is no "Penn Square Short Turn", I'd probably just get extra tokens and take that to school daily. (I was previously late 3 times because the school bus came very late)
They also leased 3 Maryland Transit Administration Baby Flxs (8752-8754) for the 310. The last time I was at Willow Grove, I noticed that the 310 still used Dorados, but the 311 used the Fords. I don't know how much of an impact the 80 had on the 310/311, but I'd suspect it certainly helped.
Runs being eliminated at Frontier? On what routes? I know that the frequencies for the conshey trips on the 95 was reduced from 3 times per half hour to every 15 minutes. It would be nice if ridership could be boosted a bit on routes like the 96 and 98, and especially the 99!
The Royersford-Pottstown service on the 99 was eliminated, as was the entire 203 route and the "double section" AM peak bus on the 201 (it now only requires a single bus instead of two). The Gulph Mills-Conshohocken trips were reduced last year to match P&W timetables, and that came after much complaining to the powers that be at 1234 Market. Mid-day service on the 128 was also reduced somewhat. The 95 was cut back from 2 peak hour trips between Penn Square and Plymouth Meeting to an hourly trip.
I think the Dorados are back from the shops, because the 95 is chock full of Dorados now, and I haven't really seen any NABIs on that route, and I've been seeing a couple of Neos on it, as well as New Flyers, probably due to the fact that the 97 is now a bicycle route (ha!).
That doesn't explain how I saw 3326 (6019 block) and 3374 (6020 block) working on the 92 last night. The buses passed each other at Phoenixville Pk and Boot Rd. I don't recall seeing back to back 40-ft buses on the 92 since before the Fords arrived back in 1998 (after the 1300s were shifted to Red Arrow yet before the Fords arrived, the 92 always saw either 8800s or low 3200s).
Maybe the internationals would be good for the privates since it would be more consistent with the rest of their fleets. I know that Krapfs runs tons of cutaways, and Keystone (?) as well. I'm not sure what Germantown runs, I know they used to run the Chestnut Hill Trolley.
Germantown had several Fords for use on the Cornwells Heights parking lot shuttle, the 310/311, and the Phlash service (since discontinued). The 2056-2062 series were initially used on the 316/LUCY service before the Dorados arrived two years ago.
Krapf's had several more Fords than what it had now; at the start of the year, they had 9: 2 for use on the 207/Whirl and the remaining 7 for use on the 204 and 208. When the 208 was eliminated, at least three Fords were moved to Germantown.
Keystone has 6 older Fords; I would expect that they'd either get 1999 Fords or the Internationals. None of their destination signs are functioning.
The Ford fleet and when they were purchased and why (as best as I can recall):
2001-2004 (originally 201-204) (1996) 310/Horsham Breeze (I have never been able to confirm if there ever was a bus #203 (or #2003)
2005-2009 Never used as best as I can tell
2010-2018 (1997) 310/Horsham Breeze; 311/Commonwealth Breeze; Cornwells Hts shuttle
2019-2028 (1998) Krapf's for use on former 202 (West Chester - Wilmington) and 314 (initial operator); Germantown for use on 310, 311, and Phlash (to supplement City of Philadelphia owned junkers); Krapf's operated buses used on 314 later transferred to Keystone
2029-2051 (1998) Frontier (to replace transferred 1300-series Neoplan AN-435 buses, which were moved primarily to Red Arrow in exchange (I think) for some 8700s as well), mainly on the 92, 95, and Lower Bucks routes; initially, a few were also sent to Red Arrow for use on the 107 and 111 (I have some pics of Fords at 69 St somewhere; I don't know if they're online or not) and later the (at the time) new 305 route
2052-2055 (1999) Lion Tours for use on former 301/Bethayres - Newtown Grant and 302/Fox Chase-Southampton; these lines replaced the Comly operated Fox Chase/Newtown shuttle. Service ended two years later due to (1) horrible ridership and (2) an arbitrator's ruling that prevents SEPTA from contracting out existing work; once 301 and 302 were eliminated (the 302 was simply added on to the 24; parts of the 301 were merged into the present-day 130); moved to Frontier
2056-2062 (1999) Germantown for the 316/LUCY service; later mixed as follows - 2056-2057 to Phlash, 2058-2059 to Krapf's for 207/Whirl, 2060-2062 to 311
2063-2069 (1999) Krapf's for 204 and 208; 2065, 2067, and 2069 believed to be at Germantown to replace 1996-97 Fords after 208 was eliminated earlier this year. Although this batch was purchased for the 204/208, they occasionally saw service on the 314 when Krapf's still had the contract for the line.
The 4 DART buses were 447-450, and were used exclusively on the 310. They also leased 3 Maryland Transit Administration Baby Flxs (8752-8754) for the 310. The last time I was at Willow Grove, I noticed that the 310 still used Dorados, but the 311 used the Fords (I don't recall ever hearing about a Dorado on the 311). I don't know how much of an impact the 80 had on the 310/311, but I'd suspect it certainly helped.
Runs being eliminated at Frontier? On what routes? I know that the frequencies for the conshey trips on the 95 was reduced from 3 times per half hour to every 15 minutes. It would be nice if ridership could be boosted a bit on routes like the 96 and 98, and especially the 99!
The Royersford-Pottstown service on the 99 was eliminated, as was the entire 203 route and the "double section" AM peak bus on the 201 (it now only requires a single bus instead of two). The Gulph Mills-Conshohocken trips were reduced last year to match P&W timetables, and that came after much complaining to the powers that be at 1234 Market regarding streamlining the schedule (P&W headways were previously 12 minutes, hence the odd scheduling then; P&W trains now run 15 minutes during peak hours). Mid-day service on the 128 was also reduced somewhat. The 95 was cut back from 2 peak hour trips between Penn Square and Plymouth Meeting to an hourly trip.
I think the Dorados are back from the shops, because the 95 is chock full of Dorados now, and I haven't really seen any NABIs on that route, and I've been seeing a couple of Neos on it, as well as New Flyers, probably due to the fact that the 97 is now a bicycle route (ha!).
That doesn't explain how I saw 3326 (6019 block) and 3374 (6020 block) working on the 92 last night (not that I'm complaining =P ). The buses passed each other at Phoenixville Pk and Boot Rd. I don't recall seeing back to back 40-ft buses on the 92 since before the Fords arrived back in 1998 (after the 1300s were shifted to Red Arrow yet before the Fords arrived, the 92 always saw either 8800s or low 3200s).
Maybe the internationals would be good for the privates since it would be more consistent with the rest of their fleets. I know that Krapfs runs tons of cutaways, and Keystone (?) as well. I'm not sure what Germantown runs, I know they used to run the Chestnut Hill Trolley.
Germantown had several Fords for use on the Cornwells Heights parking lot shuttle, the 310/311, and the Phlash service (since discontinued). The 2056-2062 series were initially used on the 316/LUCY service before the Dorados arrived two years ago.
Krapf's had several more Fords than what it had now; at the start of the year, they had 9: 2 for use on the 207/Whirl and the remaining 7 for use on the 204 and 208. When the 208 was eliminated, at least three Fords were moved to Germantown.
Keystone has 6 older Fords; I would expect that they'd either get 1999 Fords or the Internationals. None of their destination signs are functioning.
On a related note:
SEPTA's Now Infamous Ford fleet
When they were purchased and why (as best as I can recall):
2001-2004 (originally 201-204) (1996) 310/Horsham Breeze (I have never been able to confirm if there ever was a bus #203 (or #2003); these buses were built with stop cords
2005-2009 Numbers were never used as best as I can tell, save for 2006, now at Keystone (and still in Breeze Livery)
2010-2018 (1997) 310/Horsham Breeze; 311/Commonwealth Breeze; Cornwells Hts shuttle
2019-2028 (1998) Krapf's for use on former 202 (West Chester - Wilmington) and 314 (initial operator); Germantown for use on 310, 311, and Phlash (to supplement City of Philadelphia owned junkers); Krapf's operated buses used on 314 later transferred to Keystone
2029-2051 (1998) Frontier (to replace transferred 1300-series Neoplan AN-435 buses, which were moved primarily to Red Arrow in exchange (I think) for some 8700s as well), mainly on the 92, 95, and Lower Bucks routes; initially, a few were also sent to Red Arrow for use on the 107 and 111 (I have some pics of Fords at 69 St somewhere; I don't know if they're online or not) and later the (at the time) new 305 route; 2042 and 2047 were retrofit with stop cords; either 2043 or 2047 (or possibly both) had interior car card holders
2052-2055 (1999) Lion Tours for use on former 301/Bethayres - Newtown Grant and 302/Fox Chase-Southampton; these lines replaced the Comly operated Fox Chase/Newtown shuttle. Service ended two years later due to (1) horrible ridership and (2) an arbitrator's ruling that prevents SEPTA from contracting out existing work; once 301 and 302 were eliminated (the 302 was simply added on to the 24; parts of the 301 were merged into the present-day 130); moved to Frontier
2056-2062 (1999) Germantown for the 316/LUCY service; later moved as follows after Dorados arrived:
2056-2057 to Phlash, 2058-2059 to Krapf's for 207/Whirl, 2060-2062 to 311
2063-2069 (1999) Krapf's for 204 and 208; 2065, 2067, and 2069 believed to be at Germantown to replace 1996-97 Fords after 208 was eliminated earlier this year. Although this batch was purchased for the 204/208, they occasionally saw service on the 314 when Krapf's still had the contract for the line.
I'm sure there are corrections, but I think that's how the order panned out...
Please continue to add on to this roster!!!
Enjoy!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Manhattanville: 8782, 8791, 8798
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8909, 8911, 8914-8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9057, 9062
Jamaica: 8939, 8963, 8967, 8970, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9089, 9100-9101, 9176-9185
West Farms: 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9237, 9243, 9246, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Peace
David
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8909, 8911, 8914-8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9057, 9062
Jamaica: 8939, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9089, 9100-9101, 9105, 9176-9185
West Farms: 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Big Josh
Manhattanville: 8782, 8791, 8798
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9057, 9062
Jamaica: 8939, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9089, 9100-9101, 9105, 9176-9185
West Farms: 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Manhattanville: 8782, 8791, 8798
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9089, 9100-9101, 9105, 9176-9185
West Farms: 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
East New York: 8900, 8906, 8908-8909, 8911, 8915, 8917, 8920-8921, 8927-8928, 9030-9031, 9040, 9060, 9062, 9068
Jamaica: 8939, 8963, 8967, 8970, 8972, 9054, 9065, 9070
Micheal J. Quill: 8981, 8988, 8991, 9201, 9207, 9211, 9218, 9221, 9223
Ulmer Park: 9089, 9100-9101, 9105, 9176-9185
West Farms: 9111, 9113-9114, 9118
Gun Hill: 9229-9230, 9235-9237, 9243, 9246-9247, 9249
Enjoy!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Mystery Bus #2 (Banning, CA)
Mike
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
The first bus is NOT a Gillig Phantom. That's not the style of the back of a Gillig Phantom, although there are some similarities. I think that is an older model Dorado, I don't know what model it is, though, but the tiny wheels are like the Dorados. However, now that I think about it, it just might be a Blue Bird bus, one of the models of the "New Blue Bird". I know that one of their models kinda looks like a Gillig Phantom.
The second bus is a dead giveaway for me, that's a CNG-powered ElDorado National Transmark RE.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
http://www.cleanairbus.tk
What I didn't know was that Blue Bird made it. BB made the other "big buses" that Beaumont Transit runs, so I guess that'd make a bit of sense.
Then again, how useful would the LED sign be with only three continuous loop routes?
Beaumont Bus Information
I wish that PG's THE BUS would consider replacing their entire fleet (except the SLFs and the Gilligs and MAYBE the big tomases...however, they need to do something about the outward opening doors...slide glide please!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
JAMAICA
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
Thank you for any info.
BIG AL
BIG AL
BIG AL
Peace
David
First, I recently saw #4841 and 4849 in West Farms territory, 4849 was on the Bx19 two days ago, and #4841 on the Bx15 today.
Second, I just got a report from a friend of mine that TMC #4805 on the Q32 got rear-ended by a truck on the Queensboro Bridge, and is as of 3:11PM 10/30/2003, STILL on the bridge. The rear bumber has come off, and it is as of this post still sitting there...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Not too long ago, I used to take an express bus into the city. Let me tell you first hand, it would take close to 20 or 30 minutes just to get into the Lincoln from about 2 miles out. But, If we were stuck behind a pack of other buses and trucks, it would take another 20 minutes just to get through the tunnel!
The article states this plan will ease traffic congestion. I like to know for who? Once the motorists find out the Lincoln tunnel moved all the buses into their own tunnel, expect to see alot more cars trying to take advantage of this new efficiency.
All in all. The motorists won again.
http://1010wins.com/siteSearch/local_story_302152053.html
Wayne
I totally agree. Cars acclerate much better than a bus or a truck and are the real winners in this plan. When you stick several cars and a bus together, the cars are the ones that lose out since the bus acclerates much slower and slows them down. Yet, the bus actually benefits from this exchange since the cars ahead move faster giving the bus more travel time.
The situation is completely different when you have 5 buses back to back. Now you have several heavy vehicles that acclerate very poorly so travel time between the bus is less so they practically crawl across the tunnel at slow speeds. Then you throw in an 18 wheel truck into this mix with a loaded cab and we are talking about a very slow commute into Manhattan.
All in all. The motorists won again.
Once motorists find out about this, they will crowd the Lincoln Tunnel, and make it even more advantageous to use a NJT (or NJT contract) bus or jitney van, because they have their own dedicated lane coming down the helix during the rush. True, buses do accelerate more slowly, but cars will choke up their lanes.
IMO, motorists can chalk up a win for now, but get back to me in a few months and we will see the real winners.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
B1-#9341-NOVABUS
B64-#9087-NOVABUS
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
B1-#9084-NOVABUS
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Anyone know what Karl is up to these days?
Note: All numbers are rough estimates, especially concerning how many people were on that 42.
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I still like my 34 idea but I already know its current status. You need not remind me.
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