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Now, it's the N23 rush hour service. I'm glad they've got the new route, but the bus stops are pissin me off. I don't know about the projects area, but from what I see, it seems there's only 2 new stops on this new route, aside from the Bayles Av stop. This is just plain stupidity. I thought it would be stops at:
Harbor Rd/Mill Pond Rd/Pleasant Av.
Harbor Rd/Valley Rd(Texaco Station)
Harbor Rd/Charles Av(the projects)
Port Washington BLVD/Sandy Hollow Rd.
Port Washington BLVD/Longview Rd
Port Washington BLVD/Main St.
Bayles Av/LIRR Port Washington
Bayles Av/Vanderventer Av.
Vanderventer Av/Port Washington BLVD
Instead, they just put 2 stops at the projects, and another at the train station. Oh wait, I forgot, they put a new one on Shore Rd, guess where...AT ROMANTICO's!!!!!!!!!! They couldn't go a lil further and put it at Delco Plaza!? ARGH!
Just wondering, if I suggest these stops, will they even consider takin me seriously?
New Stop locations!(in order from train station)
Bayles Av./LIRR Port Washington
Port Washington BLVD and Eastern Crest at St. Peters church
Port Washington BLVD and Sandy Hollow Rd/Harbor Road(Harbor Acres, not the one the bus goes down)
Port Washington BLVD and Harbor Road
Harbor Rd. and Charles Av.
Harbor Rd at Cow Bay
Shore Rd at Romantico's
Robert
David
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
David
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Anybody know why detours like these, or simplified versions of them, aren't posted on the MTA web site? The "subway advisories" section lists service diversions but the "bus advisories" section typically only lists upcoming permanent route changes.
B7, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 25, 35, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 65, 69, & 71 Lines.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
B41#9455
The Coalition of Regular Ride-On Route 27 Riders has met and has decided that its member is not greedy and wishes not to hog all the route discontinuation gripes. So that everyone else can take part in the fun of having their 27 routes being discontinued, the Coalition proposes the complete elimination of the following routes effective Sunday, September 7, 2003:
Ride-On Route 127, service to be replaced by routes 133 and 136, Silver Spring stop will be eliminated
NYCTA Route M27, service to be replaced by routes M33 and M36 the stop at 5th Avenue will be eliminated in both directions
NYCTA Route Bx27, service to be replaced by routes Bx33 and Bx36, randomly selected stops will be eliminated
NYCTA Route Q27, service to be replaced by routes Q33 and Q36 with all stops on Rocky Hill Road eliminated
LIB Route N27, service to be replaced by routes N33, and N36 except at randomly selected stops which will be eliminated
MBTA Route 27, service to be replaced by routes 33 and 36, selected stops will be eliminated
MUNI Route 27, service to be replaced by routes 33 and 36, selected stops will be eliminated
MARTA Route 27, service to be replaced by routes 33 and 36, randomly selected stops will be eliminated
Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority Route 27, service to be replaced by routes 33 and 36, randomly selected stops will be eliminated
WMATA route B27, service to be replaced by routes B33, B36, T2, and Ride-On 23, randomly selected stops will be eliminated
If a BusTalker or SubTalker uses any of the routes to be discontinued on a regular or semi-regular basis, his or her stop will be among those eliminated without replacement service.
The entire Coalition of Regular Ride-On Route 27 Riders has agreed to sign the petition. We encourage everyone else to do so. Please add your name by responding to this post.
Sincerely,
The Coalition of Regular Ride-On Route 27 Riders
;-)
You joining us on Friday?
Hmm…does this mean that NJT’s route 27 shall be discontinued, replaced by new routes 33 (Irvington-Forest Hill) and 36 (Lincoln Park-Bloomfield), with stops at Broad/Market plus alternate service to the Delawanna section of Clifton discontinued…?
1) What kind of ridership are these routes seeing?
2) Will the jitneys push out the Boulevard East route? The schedule is unusually thin for such a busy street.
3) Will the WTC PATH service end the Hoboken-Lower Manhattan route? There may be a role for it despite PATH's presence and I'd like to see it stick around.
I will be wearing white shorts, and my railfan trip traditional 3 train shirt. I will also be carrying a camera in a small black case.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
I agree with you that rollsigns were much easier to read in daylight, simply by virtue of being actual type instead of a low-resolution pixel approximation, but I guess that physicality is also a disadvantage when it comes to using equipment in diverse applications.
I also think that the new LED signs are the best of both worlds -- self-illuminated, so not subject to being washed out by the lightsource like flipdots or rollsigns at night; higher-resolution than earlier electronic displays, so more legible; and of course easily reprogrammed.
C
That is a new bus from Nova, has been in service for over 3 years now!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Then You Have.....
1989 Flxible Model 40096-6T Suburban "METRO B"......#3001-3280 (Scattered)
1989 Flxible Model 40102-6T Suburban "METRO B"......#3500-3605 (Scattered)
1989 Flxible Model 40102-6T Transit "METRO B".......#1700-1721
1991 Flxible Model 40102-6C CNG Transit "METRO C"...#0001-0005 (NGV1-NGV5)
1993 Flxible Model 40102-6C8 Suburban "METRO D".....#3700
1994 Flxible Model 40102-6C8 Suburban "METRO D".....#3701-3791
1994 Flxible Model 40102-6C8 Transit "METRO D"......#1750-1965 & 1976
1994 Flxible Model 40102-4D Transit "METRO D".......#1966-1975
Hope This Helps You Out!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Any idea how many of the 1989's are still running?
Laddie
MikeS
Robert
The one I have expires on 12/30/2004 and if I still had the other one, I would had due for a new one this year
With the way some people handle their cards I am suprised they get a month out of one.
As Allan said, the expiration date relates to the life expectancy of the mag strip on the card. That's why a lot of folks who have the Transit Chek Premium can't wait for their new card after a year. Just takes one turnstile or farebox with a messed up read/write head to ruin you day.
...which is why TCP is dumb.
Print an expiration date on the back and NYCT can purge the records of that 32-cent card in three years or less. (The card retains its value for a full year after the expiration date, BTW; it just can't be used to actually pay a fare. PPR cards can be traded in at any booth; unlimiteds have to be mailed in for refunds.)
This new Metro Card expires August 31, 2004 (exactly one year after my previous one expired), and it has a Chase Equity Loan advertisement on the back.
BTW, if a card is expired, or is within a month of expiration, you can also take it to an MVM for the trade-in. Just ask to add money to the card and it will offer to trade it in. Newer cards can't be traded in at MVM's anymore.
Peace,
ANDEE
SEPTA and KC Metro of Seattle have either just retired, or are due to retire their nearly identical AM General 10240Ts which were purchased in either 1978 (KC Metro) or 1979 (SEPTA). With some 23-25 years of service under their belts, they certainly must be older than 95% of all diesel transit busses out there. Dayton just sold off their slightly younger Flyers, San Fransisco did the same, with both of them getting the debatible Skoda ETBs, which had teething issues like the New Tech subway cars in NYC, but are gradually gaining acceptance. Boston is of course also eliminating their Flyers, also around 20 years old, however they went to Neoplan for their replacements and Neoplan botched it, 'forgetting' to put the left side doors on.
I guess there is a lesson to be had here, Trolleybus may have higher capitol costs on a per-body basis (which would drop if only TAs would start ordering ETB en masse), however you get almost double the life out of them. The initial purchase cost can't be much more than 1.5 times the cost of a Diesel, so if you can get almost double the life out of them, even a slightly higher maitenance cost will still bring you out ahead, and all with quieter, more environmentally friendly and more efficient vehicles supplying your transit. I'd be willing to bet that the total maitenance costs of a well-built ETB network with modern equipment and overhead that was kept in a 'state of good repair' would be, if anything, less than a similarly sized diesel network. Sure the overhead maitenance costs adds some ROW maitenance cost, but the trolleys themselves are largely easy to maintain, and with nice rotary motion electric motors are easier on their bodies than a heavy diesel engine that's constantly vibrating. Also you save on diesel (electricity is much cheaper on a per watt basis), diesel reengines, and such, all for a 10 year investment.
Of course I guess the oldest busses in regular transit service with a major TA could be Seattle's Gillig Trolleybusses with AM General insides. If it counts that a diesel that get's a new engine, the very heart of the beast as it were, then why can't it count if the AMG's insides happen to get a new body? After all, it's still the same engine and all!
So we're up to nearly 30 years and counting on the Seattle AMGs, may they have many a good day zooming around the Emerald City in their new coats powered by the mighty Columbia without a hint of pollution!
Of course there is the non-problem of overhead wiring. I do not understand NIMBYs, they complain about the 'Ugly' overhead wiring that an ETB network would complain about and then BS stuff about possible EMFs from the 600VDC wires, all the while they have an equally ugly wire carrying 1500VAC three times closer to their house. I guess so long as the wire keeps homer on the TV and the oscar meyers in the fridge cold, it's cool, but try to improve the transportation network by upgrading the infrastructure and it's suddenly a threat to their home's value. Heck I'd kill to have an ETB line running right in front of my house, it'd be all the transit, all the access, with virtually none of the noise and just 4 more wires, you'd think the NIMBYs would see that. Oh well, NIMBYs are beyond any attempt to fathom.
I think you might be a bit confused, I'm not sure, but anyway. Seattle's Gillig Trolleys have no diesel in them, they are straight trolleybuses in the tradition of Marmon-Herrington, Pullman-Standard, and AM General. Seattle does have DuoBuses capable of both diesel and electric movement in the form of the Breda DuoBuses for use in the Bus Tunnel under 3rd ave in Downtown Seattle. Sadly, thanks to unSound Transit's complete lack of imagination in the planning of their Glorified Trolley Transit system 'Central Link' the wires that the Bredas used will be torn down and replaced by LRT catenary, and the Bredas replaced by either New Flyer DE60LFs or some to be determined Gillig Hybrid Artic. The Bredas will have their diesels removed and will either replace or supplement the MAN ETBs that Seattle has been running for years.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
That should shut you up for awhile. If you have any additional questions, go to the Strappies website. They can be of more help to you
1) I don't know. I have no idea what the word fuled means.
2)I have no concept what the Manhattan depots were like 30 years ago. Not many people on this board do.
3)Enough to get you where you want to go. Other than that, none of your business. Why does an 11 year old need to know that anyway?
4) I gave you that answer already. Like Mike said, go back to the post I made when you first started bothering us with your nonsense and re-read it.
5) When they need to be.
BIG AL
Why would you, an innocent eleven-year-old boy, even care? I mean, of all the things to ask. -_-
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Peace
David
Aaaaaaaaaaa! Just Joshing Ya! Though I'd give my own shot @ some Photoshoping!
Below is the two original photos used!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Coach USA/Rockland Coaches Operator
Trevor
The fake photo has such great quality, I wouldn't of known it was fake if you wouldn't of saidn anything.
Anyway, I picked up a few schedules and noticed that on the Y7,8,9 schedule, they spell Forest Glen "Forrest Glen" and in a major way to cut back costs, the 70, 71, 73 line only operates Monday-Friday. I was wondering why it was so thin until I opened it up and saw no Saturday/Sunday schedules in there. Hey, way to go! Idiots. God only knows what other proofreading errors there are, but I don't have enough time to go through all of them, or care, but those were the glaring ones I noticed in the half dozen I picked up.
I'm sure you really wanted to hear that you just didn't pick up all the schedules.
P.S. If anyone finds mistakes on a Ride-On schedule numbered 60 or below, do not come and blame me ;-)
This is Fun!!!!! But this is it for the night! Graphics Editing is really hard and much patience needed if you are going for realism. I have a whole new respect for Graphic Artist!
Orignal Photos....
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Rockland Coaches Operator
Robert
Let's see who comes in first, You, or Gillig Phantom?
Wayne
“Aznboy” mentioned BRT, but any kind of bus can be a component of that. This Civis bus thingy is actually part of Las Vegas’ BRT service on LV Boulevard, and to be sure the resemblance to an LRV is not coincidental—indeed, it harks back to the first GMC and Mack buses that imitated the PCC car’s exterior.
The system and the buses, however, seem to incur additional expense, what with the optical-guidance system that permits the driver to actually let go of the steering wheel (the bus will follow the optical strips embedded in the roadway) plus the addition of TVMs (the LRT-system imitation extends as far as using POP—note the sliding-door style) plus customized “platforms” (the optical-guidance system also helps the bus stop within one inch of said platforms, permitting LRT-like wheelchair access on the low-floor bus).
The buses are made by Irisbus, a consortium that includes Renault/Iveco. They are available in diesel-electric (same as railroad locomotives, diesel motors generate electricity for electric traction motors) and trackless-trolley format; not sure about dual-mode, but it may be available.
B103-#4926-TMC
Anyways, I brought my camera with me today and decided to get some pics. Amazingly, no Gilligs were to be spotted today; only Thomas TL-960's and Flx Metro-B's. Anyways, I have uploaded my full collection of Shuttle-UM pics. Enjoy!
Transit DC
I smell a rant coming soon from yours truly.
I think all the 1997 Orion V's out of Arlington have the new destination signs. I was on 4214 with it and have seen just about all the others with them too. I wonder which division is next?
It seems like the merry-go-round of buses continues. I forgot to grab the schedule at the front of 9760 today when I got off. The schedules were in green, which signifies a DC route. There was a whole stack of them in the rack too.
MetroB
What Madison Avenue operated depends on the time period. Before any MCIs were in the NJT fleet, Madison had a lot more routes. Since MCIs could nit fit inside the building, routes were transferred to other garages as they came into the fleet. When MadAve closed, they were running the 160, 171, and 175, with trippers on 163/164 and 190.
MetroB
When did Fifth Ave Coach have a garage on 102nd and Madison and what lines operated from it?
I recall
132nd Street
146th Street
100th Street
54th Street
12th Street
Jackson Heights
Thank You
C
THis is from official material
Bronx Division
West Farms
Bx6,Bx8 Bx11,Bx13,Bx14 15 17 19 21 27 31 35 36
Gun Hill
Bx1,4, 5 8 9 12 16 22 25 26 28 29 30 34 36 39 40 42 55
Kingsbridge
Bx 1 2 3 7 9 10 13 16 18 20 28 32 39 41 42
M100
Mother Clara Hale
Bx33
M1 7 30 60 98
MSH Lenx Av Shuttle
Manhattan Division
100th street
M79 86 101 102 103
126th Street
M15 31 35 57 66 72 116
Manhattanville
M2 3 4 5 10 11 18 96 98 101 104 106
Michael J Quill
M6 8 9 14 16 20 21 22 23
x26 M27 30
M34 42 50 79
Q32
M 86
X92 (90)
Brooklyn Division
East New York
B7 12 14 15 17 20 25 42 45
B51 60 82 83
Q24
Q56
Jackie Gleason
B8 9 11 16 23 35 37 43 61 63 65 67 68 69 70 71 75 77
Flatbush
B2 B6 31 39 41 44 46 47 49
Fresh Pond
B13 20 24 26 38 39 47 52 54 57
Q54 55 58 59
Ulmer Park
B1 b3 b4 B6 B9
B36
X25 X27 X28 X29
X37 X38
B64 B68 B74
Queens Division
Casey Stengel
Q12 13 14 15 16 20A 20B 26 27 28
Q32
X32
X51
Q44 48 58 Q74 Q76
Jamaica
Q3 q4 5 17 42
Q77 Q84 Q85
X63 X64
Queens village
Q1 Q2 Q30 31
X32
Q36 43 46
X68
Q75 79 83 Q88
Staten Island
Division
Castleton
X10 11 12 13 14 16 18 20 30 X42
S40 42 S44 46 48 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 59
S60 62 66 67 74 76 78
S81 84 86 90 92 93 94 96 98
Yukon
X1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 15 17 19 22 31
S55 56 59 s61 74 78 79 91
Notes
Sept 7 to 8
Bx3 to KIngsbridge
BX6 to West Farms
Bx8 to West Farms
Bx11 to West Farms
Bx13 to West Farms and Kiingsbridge
Bx14 to West Farms
Bx15 to West Farms
Bx17 to West Farms
Bx19 to West Farms
Bx21 to west farms
Bx27 to West Farms
Bx31 to West Farms
Bx35 to West Farms
Bx36 to west Farms and GUn Hill
M6 to Quill
M8 to Quill
M9 to Quill
M10 to Manhattanville
M11 to MH
M14AD to Quill
M16/34 to Quill
M21 to Quill
M60 to Clara Hale
M72 to 126 st
M79 to 100 st and Quill
M86 to Quill and 100 st
M96 to Manhattanville
m98 to Clara Hale and Manhattanville
M100 to Kingsbridge
M101 to 100 st and Manhattanville
M102 to 100 st
M103 to 100 st
M104 to Manhattanville
M106 to Manhattanville
B51 to east new york
Q32 to Quill and Casey Stengle
S86 NEW ROUTE
X32 to QV and Casey Stengel
X92 trips extended over temporary X90 to Battery Park City
to be labeled the X90 at QUILL
Effective June 30 2003
This is all from MTA Sources---
Steve
8/7/03
I went through the archives and pulled this up from the topic "NYC TA Routes,Depots,Divisions Effective Sept 7,2003"
I hope this helps.
MetroB
MetroB
This one is worth a good discussion.
There is an inherent risk that her symptoms could reoccur while she is behind the wheel. That is probably what the MTA Risk Management people are holding to as a justification for not hiring her back. Unlike a subway train with the deadman's feature there is nothing to stop a bus in motion should the drive be unable to steer or operate the brake/gas pedals (except maybe a crash).
In my opinion (humble or otherwise) I vote with the TA on this one.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/114229p-103098c.html
Bus driver with MS sues
She wants back behind TA wheel
By JOHN MARZULLI
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
A former city bus driver is suing the Transit Authority for taking her off the road because she has multiple sclerosis.
Deborah Bynum contends the TA discriminated against her because of her illness when it demoted her from a driver making $21.37 an hour to a $13.29-an-hour security guard.
Bynum, 38, developed the neurological disease after she was hired in 1997. Her symptoms included difficulty gripping the steering wheel tightly, according to court records.
She was taken off the road in 1999 and demoted in 2000. The disease is now in remission.
Brooklyn Federal Judge Edward Korman rejected yesterday the TA's motion to throw out the suit.
While the TA's doctors said it was too risky to allow a driver with MS behind the wheel of a 19-ton bus, other doctors who examined Bynum disagreed.
"It can hardly be disputed that a bus accident in New York City could potentially cause tremendous harm," Korman wrote in his decision.
But he added: "The [TA] physicians ignored persuasive and impartial medical expert evidence of Bynum's condition by relying on medical standards that automatically disqualify anyone ever having had MS from operating a bus."
Korman noted that none of the TA doctors who examined Bynum was a neurologist, and the specialists she consulted all concluded her condition would not interfere with driving a bus.
Without case-by-case assessments, the TA's policy amounted to a "blanket rejection of all individuals with this disability," Korman said.
"We are pleased the judge is allowing the case to go forward," Bynum's lawyer John Moehringer said.
TA spokesman Paul Fleuranges said the agency's lawyers are reviewing the decision.
Bynum's symptoms included "difficulty gripping the wheel tightly," "numbness in her feet, knee, thigh" and "urinary and bowel discomfort," according to court records.
She was treated with steroids and no longer has the symptoms. An independent doctor, Stephen Gilbert, who examined Bynum said there was no way to predict whether or when she would suffer another attack, court records say.
"It makes no sense not to allow her to drive while awaiting an attack which may never occur," Gilbert said, according to the documents.
Bynum filed the suit in 2001, seeking unspecified monetary damages, back pay and reinstatement as a bus driver.
Robert
I've been trying to figure out how to tell NYCT's 102DL3's from their D4500's without resorting to memorizing the bus numbers. Then I noticed that some of the buses have LED tail lights and others have regular bulb tail lights. So, are the LED tail lights on the D4500's and the regular bulbs on the 102DL3's? Or no? Thanks.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
David
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
He walks over to the other LIRR stop on Main St and Herbert Av to get those people waiten there. Brings them back, and we leave about 2 min late. Go to Vanderventer, turn left, go to Port BLVD, turn left, then down to Harbor Rd. On the way to Harbor Rd., I noticed 2 new stops, one at St. Peters, and another at Sandy Hollow Rd with a sign that said N57(D'OH!). I was about to ask the driver to let me off, but he said he needed me to show him the rest of the new route(he didn't know any of it, as LIB had just informed them of the change that morning).
Went to Harbor Rd., turned left, and stopped at the stop. Went to Charles av and stopped. Lots of people off at both stops. Continued and passed the Cow Bay stop, as no one was gettin on or off. Went to Shore Rd, turned right, and I got off at the new Romantico's stop.
List of bus stop locations in route order from PW station to Shore Rd:
Bus from mineola comes down Port Washington BLVD, turns left onto Main St., then goes to Bayles and turns left
Bayles Av/LIRR Port Washington
Continues to Vanderventer Av and turns left. Continues to Port Washington BLVD and turns left.
Port Washington BLVD/Campus Dr.
Continues past Main st. on Port Washington BLVD
Port Washington BLVD/Eastern Crest/St. Peters
Port Washington BLVD/Harbor Road(Harbor Acres)/Sandy Hollow Rd.
Bus continues to Harbor Rd(NOT Harbor Acres) and turns left
Port Washington BLVD/Harbor Rd.
Harbor Rd/Charles Av.
Harbor Rd/Cow Bay
Continues onto Mill Pond Rd, then to Shore Rd, turns right onto Shore Rd.
Shore Rd/Romantico's
From there, all normal stops between Channel Dr and Manorhaven terminus
Buses to Mineola, all same stops in different order until Main St. From Main St to Mineola:
Main St/Port Washington BLVD
Bayles Av/LIRR Port Washington
Vanderventer Av/Port Washington BLVD
Then on to Mineola terminal
TIPS:
For now, you MUST signal the drivers at all new stops, as the drivers may not yet know all the new stop locations. Also, when wishing to get off the bus, you must point out the stop location(Except the Charles Av. Stop). This is especially important at the following stops:
Port Washington BLVD/Eastern Crest/St. Peters
Port Washington BLVD/Harbor Rd(Harbor Acres)/Sandy Hollow Rd
Harbor Rd/Cow Bay
This is only until the drivers become familiar with the new route and stop locations.
THIS ROUTE APPLIES TO THE FOLLOWING BUSES ONLY:
6:30AM, 7:49AM, and 8:28AM(time of departure from Manorhaven) TO MINEOLA
4:25PM, 5:28PM, and 6:28PM(time of departure from Mineola) TO MANORHAVEN
For those using LIRR Port Washington:
For all buses except those using the new route, you must get on at the Main st/Herbert Av/LIRR Port Washington bus stop. For those THAT ARE USING the new route, you must use the new bus stop on Bayles Av.(I'll be typing a flyer and posting it at the bus stop tomarrow morning using times of departure from the train station, I hope, if not, then this weekend)
Also, buses using the new route WILL NOT stop at Harbor Rd./Shore Rd stop.
All in all, I love this new route, GO LIB!!!!!
One possibility is that the engines have been derated to reduce smoke emissions, which can be a problem on engines that are well worn, particularly ones which are having to work hard propelling an a/c artic around. This will lead to them being very sluggish.
MetroB
Of course I doubt LIB will take any action. They still let "Johnny Boy" out on the road. I tell ya some of these LIB drivers wouldnt last one day in NYCT. Most though are very good. But the bad ones should not be operating buses.
Indeed, you definitely should complain about the driver missing those four stops and for his erratic behavior and chronic lateness. This guy sounds like he's under the influence of either drugs or God knows what.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
OmniTrans in san bernardino, ca has 23 of these L10G orion 5's
kinda slow
the Neoplans can fly though
www.regionaltransitservice.com
22 more trips to go...
Need More info, just scroll down the subtalk index, if you have it set to at least 2 days there should be like 4 notices between Subtalk and Bustalk!
Well, September 7th is four days away. Buses will fly (to other depots I mean) and buses will die (scrap). This is an exciting time for us BUS fans and we shall see some drastic changes as we head into this weekend! This should be fun!
Trevor posted a New Flyer D60HF from the Green Bus Lines. I did not know GBL got artics? It would be nice to see them on the Q11, Q21, Q22, and Q60. When will GBL see some NEW buses? Please, do not rely on that MTA take over until it's official!
Finally, I have contacted my local Congressman of Long Island about the Transportation issues on Long Island......if I get my way, there will be a HUGE shake up with Suffolk Transit on the Island!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Well, September 7th is four days away. Buses will fly (to other depots I mean) and buses will die (scrap). This is an exciting time for us BUS fans and we shall see some drastic changes as we head into this weekend! This should be fun!
Trevor posted a New Flyer D60HF from the Green Bus Lines. I did not know GBL got artics? It would be nice to see them on the Q11, Q21, Q22, and Q60. When will GBL see some NEW buses? Please, do not rely on that MTA take over until it's official! Oh, I knew it was only a joke!
Finally, I have contacted my local Congressman of Long Island about the Transportation issues on Long Island......if I get my way, there will be a HUGE shake up with Suffolk Transit on the Island!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
That is my rant, I know noone else gives a damn about it but I had to get it off my chest.
Now, your neck of the woods seems to have always gotten the short end of the stick. I don't get it. Its the same with retail and its bias towards providing anything decent shopping wise. It has such an image, a lot overhyped by the media, that it has caused a downward spiral in public transportation, schools, stores, the police, everything. Its sad. That county has such potential, yet its basically the garbage can of the DC area.
S42 FERRY TERMINAL
S42 CLYDE PL
S42 HAVENWOOD RD
S44 FERRY TERMINAL
S44 YUKON AV
S46 FERRY TERMINAL
S46 SOUTH AV
S48 FERRY TERMINAL
S48 HOLLAND AV
S51 FERRY TERMINAL
S51 RICHMOND RD
S51 MIDLAND AV
S52 FERRY TERMINAL
S52 MASON AV
S53 PORT RICHMOND AV
S53 FOURTH AV
S54 BROADWAY
S54 RICHMOND AV
S55 RING RD
S55 EYLANDT ST
S56 RING RD
S56 EYLANDT ST
S57 PORT RICHMOND AV
S57 EBBITTS ST
S59 PORT RICHMOND AV
S59 HYLAN BL
S59 MAIN ST
S60 VICTORY BL
S60 ARLO RD
S60 RENWICK AV
S61 FERRY TERMINAL
S61 YUKON AV
S62 FERRY TERMINAL
S62 WILD AV
S66 FERRY TERMINAL
S66 PORT RICHMOND AV
S67 FERRY TERMINAL
S67 PORT RICHMOND AV
S74 FERRY TERMINAL
S74 MAIN ST
S76 FERRY TERMINAL
S76 DELWIT AV
S78 FERRY TERMINAL
S78 MAIN ST
S79 MARSH AV
S79 FOURTH AV
S84 FERRY TERMINAL
S84 MAIN ST
S91 FERRY TERMINAL
S91 YUKON AV
S92 FERRY TERMINAL
S92 WILD AV
S94 FERRY TERMINAL
S94 YUKON AV
S96 FERRY TERMINAL
S96 SOUTH AV
S98 FERRY TERMINAL
S98 HOLLAND AV
B1 MACKAY PL
B1 MACKENZIE ST
B2 AVENUE U
B2 QUENTIN RD
B3 AVENUE X
B3 HARWAY AV
B4 KNAPP ST
B4 NARROWS AV
B6 CROPSEY AV
B6 NEW LOTS AV
B6 GLENWOOD RD
B7 BROADWAY
B7 FLATBUSH AV
B7 QUENTIN RD
B8 ROCKAWAY AV
B8 MARINE AV
B9 AVENUE U
B9 MACKAY PL
B11 FLATBUSH AV
B11 58 ST
B12 SHERIDAN AV
B12 OCEAN AV
B13 METROPOLITAN AV
B13 GATEWAY DR
B14 LINDEN BL
B14 UTICA AV
B15 BROADWAY
B15 KENNEDY AIRPORT
B16 LINCOLN RD
B16 MARINE AV
B17 UTICA AV
B17 SEAVIEW AV
B17 80 ST
B20 FAIRVIEW AV
B20 POSTAL FACILLITY RD
B23 FLATBUSH AV
B23 NEW UTRECHT AV
B24 MANHATTEN AV
B24 BROADWAY
B25 BROADWAY
B25 FURMAN ST
B26 WYCKOFF AV
B26 TILLARY ST
B31 LOIS AV
B31 QUENTIN RD
B35 ROCKAWAY AV
B35 FIRST AV
B36 GRAVESEND NECK RD
B36 SURF AV
B37 COURT ST
B37 SHORE RD
B38 METROPOLITAN AV
B38 TILLARY ST
B39 ALLEN ST
B39 BROADWAY
B41 TILLARY ST
B41 AVENUE U
B41 VETERANS AV
B42 GLENWOOD RD
B42 CANARSIE PIER LP
B43 BOX ST
B43 LINCOLN RD
B44 BROADWAY
B44 KNAPP ST
B45 RALPH AV
B45 COURT ST
B46 BROADWAY
B46 AVENUE U
B47 FLUSHING AV
B47 AVENUE U
B48 GARDNER AV
B48 LINCOLN RD
B49 FULTON ST
B49 MACKENZIE ST
B51 BEEKMAN ST
B51 FULTON ST
B52 PALMETTO ST
B52 TILLARY ST
B54 WYCKOFF AV
B54 TILLARY ST
B57 GRAND AV
B57 BOERUM PL
B60 BROADWAY
B60 FLATLANDS AV
B61 JACKSON AV
B61 VAN DYKE ST
B63 COLUMBIA ST
B63 SHORE RD
B64 FOURTH AV
B64 SURF AV
B65 RALPH AV
B65 FULTON ST
B67 SANDS ST
B67 CORTELYOU RD
B68 BARTEL PRITCHARD SQ
B68 SURF AV
B69 JAY ST
B69 TENTH AV
B70 FIRST AV
B70 POLY PL
B71 STERLING PL
B71 VAN BRUNT ST
B74 SURF AV
B74 NEPTUNE AV
B75 SANDS ST
B75 EIGHTH AV
B77 FIFTH AV
B77 VAN BRUNT ST
B82 SEAVIEW AV
B82 CANAL AV
B83 FULTON ST
B83 SEAVIEW AV
M1 147 ST
M1 LAFAYETTE ST
M1 WHITEHALL ST
M2 AUDUBON AV
M2 LAFAYETTE ST
M3 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
M3 BROADWAY
M4 CABRINI BL
M4 SEVENTH AV
M5 BROADWAY
M5 HOUSTON ST
M6 SIXTH AV
M6 WHITEHALL ST
M7 147 ST
M7 UNIVERSITY PL
M8 AVENUE D
M8 CHRISTOPHER ST
M9 FOURTH AV
M9 LIBERTY ST
M10 159 ST
M10 31 ST
M11 RIVERSIDE DR
M11 BETHUNE ST
M14 WEST ST
M14 CHERRY ST
M14 COLUMBIA ST
M15 126 ST
M15 WHITEHALL ST
M15 PARK PL
M16 FIRST AV
M16 42 ST
M18 AUDUBON AV
M18 FIFTH AV
M20 BROADWAY
M20 LIBERTY ST
M21 FIRST AV
M21 HUDSON ST
M22 CHERRY ST
M22 VESEY ST
M22 SAINT JAMES PL
M23 AVENUE C
M23 22 ST
M50 FIRST AV
M50 42 ST
M57 YORK AV
M57 BROADWAY
M60 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
M60 BROADWAY
M66 YORK AV
M66 66 ST
M72 YORK AV
M72 FREEDOM PL
M79 YORK AV
M79 RIVERSIDE DR
M86 YORK AV
M86 BROADWAY
M96 FIRST AV
M96 BROADWAY
M98 CABRINI BL
M98 LEXINGTON AV
M100 BROADWAY
M100 THIRD AV
M101 190 ST
M101 THIRD AV
M102 147 ST
M102 THIRD AV
M103 LEXINGTON AV
M103 BEEKMAN ST
M104 AMSTERDAM AV
M104 FIRST AV
M106 FIRST AV
M106 BROADWAY
M116 PLEASANT AV
M116 BROADWAY
BX1 RIVERDALE AV
BX1 LINCOLN AV
BX2 FORT INDEPENDENCE ST
BX2 LINCOLN AV
BX3 BROADWAY
BX3 WADSWORTH AV
BX4 LANE AV
BX4 BERGEN AV
BX5 WESTCHESTER AV
BX5 SHORE RD
BX5 PARK DR
BX6 HALLECK ST
BX6 RIVERSIDE DR
BX7 RIVERDALE AV
BX7 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX8 WHITE PLAINS RD
BX8 TIERNEY PL
BX9 BROADWAY
BX9 BOSTON RD
BX10 RIVERDALE AV
BX10 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX11 WESTCHESTER AV
BX11 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX12 BROADWAY
BX12 BAY PLAZA BL
BX12 PARK DR
BX13 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX13 RIVER AV
BX13 ELTON AV
BX14 AMPERE AV
BX14 HUGH GRANT CR
BX15 FORDHAM RD
BX15 BROADWAY
BX16 ROPES AV
BX16 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX17 FORDHAM RD
BX17 WALNUT AV
BX18 MORRIS AV
BX18 SEDGWICK AV
BX19 FORDHAM RD
BX19 RIVERSIDE DR
BX20 246 ST
BX20 BROADWAY
BX21 LANE AV
BX21 LINCOLN AV
BX22 ZEREGA AV
BX22 BOSTON RD
BX22 VALENTINE AV
BX22 PAUL AV
BX25 ERSKINE PL
BX25 PAUL AV
BX26 ERSKINE PL
BX26 PAUL AV
BX27 CORNELL AV
BX27 WESTCHESTER AV
BX27 SOUTHERN BL
BX28 ERSKINE PL
BX28 VALENTINE AV
BX29 BARTOW AV
BX29 ROCHELLE ST
BX30 ERSKINE PL
BX30 ROCHAMBEAU AV
BX31 WEBSTER AV
BX31 WESTCHESTER AV
BX32 WEBB AV
BX32 LINCOLN AV
BX33 LOCUST AV
BX33 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX34 KATONAH AV
BX34 FORDHAM RD
BX35 HOE AV
BX35 BROADWAY
BX36 RANDALL AV
BX36 BROADWAY
BX39 GUN HILL RD
BX39 CORNELL AV
BX40 PENNYFIELD AV
BX40 SEDGWICK AV
BX41 CRANFORD AV
BX41 WILLIS AV
BX42 BALCOM AV
BX42 SEDGWICK AV
BX55 149 ST
BX55 FORHAM RD
BX55 WHITE PLAINS RD
Q1 165 ST
Q1 BRADDOCK AV
Q1 SPRINGFIELD BL
Q2 HEMPSTEAD AV
Q2 165 ST
Q3 165 ST
Q3 KENNEDY AIRPORT
Q4 LINDEN BL
Q4 PARSONS BL
Q5 PARSONS BL
Q5 GREEN ACRES RD
Q5 BROOKVILLE BL
Q12 GLENWOOD ST
Q12 MAIN ST
Q13 TOTTEN AV
Q13 MAIN ST
Q14 CLINTONVILLE ST
Q14 MAIN ST
Q15 POWELLS COVE BL
Q15 MAIN ST
Q16 TOTTEN AV
Q16 MAIN ST
Q17 MAIN ST
Q17 165 ST
Q20 MERRICK BL
Q20 COLLEGE POINT BL
Q24 165 ST
Q24 PATCHEN AV
Q26 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q26 MAIN ST
Q27 JAMAICA AV
Q27 MAIN ST
Q28 BELL BL
Q28 MAIN ST
Q30 NASSAU BL
Q30 SUTPHIN BL
Q30 MERRICK BL
Q31 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q31 SUTPHIN BL
Q32 NORTHERN BL
Q32 SEVENTH AV
Q36 JAMAICA AV
Q36 165 ST
Q42 PARSONS BL
Q42 SAYRES AV
Q43 HILLSIDE AV
Q43 SUTPHIN BL
Q44 MERRICK BL
Q44 BOSTON RD
Q46 LAKEVILLE RD
Q46 QUEENS BL
Q48 MAIN ST
Q48 KENNEDY AIRPORT
Q54 JAMAICA AV
Q54 BROADWAY
Q55 HILLSIDE AV
Q55 WYCKOFF AV
Q56 JAMAICA AV
Q56 VAN SINDEREN AV
Q58 MAIN ST
Q58 PALMETTO ST
Q59 JUNCTION BL
Q59 KENT AV
Q74 MELBOURNE AV
Q74 QUEENS BL
Q75 CLOVERDALE BL
Q75 165 ST
Q76 132 ST
Q76 165 ST
Q77 165 ST
Q77 145 RD
Q79 249 ST
Q79 JAMAICA AV
Q83 JAMAICA AV
Q83 HILLSIDE AV
Q84 130 AV
Q84 PARSONS BL
Q85 PARSONS BL
Q85 GREEN ACRES RD
Q88 JAMAICA AV
Q88 QUEENS BL
N1 ROCKAWAY AV
N1 ELMONT RD
N1 165 ST
N2 GREEN ACRES RD
N2 COVERT AV
N2 165 ST
N3 GREEN ACRES RD
N3 FRANKLIN AV
N3 165 ST
N4 HENRY ST
N4 PARSONS BL
N6 JACKSON ST
N6 165 ST
N8 GREEN ACRES RD
N8 FRANKLIN AV
N14 DEMOTT AV
N14 MERRICK RD
N15 ZECKENDORF BL
N15 CENTER ST
N16 FOXHURST AV
N16 STEWART AV
N17 CENTRE AV
N17 JACKSON ST
N19 MAIN ST
N19 RAILROAD AV
N20 NEWBRIDGE RD
N20 MAIN ST
N21 BRIDGE ST
N21 MAIN ST
N22 165 ST
N22 JERUSALEM AV
N22 ZECKENDORF AV
N23 ORCHARD BEACH RD
N23 OLD COUNTRY RD
N24 MERRICK AV
N24 165 ST
N25 MIDDLE NECK RD
N25 LANGDON PL
N26 COMMUNITY DR
N26 165 ST
N27 BRIDGE ST
N27 JACKSON ST
N28 SHORE RD
N28 LINCOLN AV
N31 JACKSON ST
N31 SEAGIRT BL
N32 JACKSON ST
N32 SEAGIRT BL
N33 CENTER ST
N33 MOTT AV
N35 ROCKLAND ST
N35 WASHINGTON ST
N36 HENRY ST
N36 BROADWAY
N37 JACKSON ST
N37 ATLANTIC AV
N40 THIRD AV
N40 HENRY ST
N41 THIRD AV
N41 HENRY ST
N43 ZECKENDORF BL
N43 HENRY ST
N45 SELFRIDGE AV
N45 CENTRE AV
N46 MERRICK RD
N46 JACKSON ST
N47 JERUSALEM AV
N47 JACKSON ST
N48 JACKSON ST
N48 BROADWAY
N49 JACKSON ST
N49 BROADWAY
N50 NEWBRIDGE RD
N50 CENTRE AV
N51 SELFRIDGE AV
N51 HEWLETT AV
N52 WILLIAM ST
N52 HEWLETT AV
N53 PARK AV
N53 HEWLETT AV
N54 JACKSON ST
N54 OAK ST
N55 JACKSON ST
N55 LOUDEN AV
N57 PARK PL
N57 MIDDLE NECK RD
N58 KINGS POINT RD
N58 PARK PL
N62 HENRY ST
N62 HOWARD AV
N65 MAIN ST
N65 MERRICK AV
N66 MAIN ST
N66 EMROY RD
N67 STEWART AV
N67 PRINCE AV
N70 JACKSON ST
N70 PINELAWN RD
N71 JACKSON ST
N71 CARMANS RD
N72 JACKSON ST
N72 RAILROAD AV
N73 BARCLAY ST
N73 MERRICK RD
N74 BARCLAY ST
N74 MERRICK RD
N78 THIRD AV
N78 NEWTOWN RD
N79 THIRD AV
N79 PLAINVIEW RD
N80 JOHN ST
N80 CARMANS RD
N81 JOHN ST
N81 CARMANS RD
N93 STEWART AV
N93 GLENN CURTISS BL
N94 NEWBRIDGE RD
N94 PIQUETS LN
N95 PINELAWN RD
N95 SECATOGUE AV
X1 SEVENTH AV
X1 ARTHUR KILL RD
X2 THIRD AV
X2 EBBITTS ST
X2 PARK AV
X2 TYSENS LN
X3 VESEY ST
X3 EBBITTS ST
X3 TYSENS LN
X4 VESEY ST
X4 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 THIRD AV
X5 PARK AV
X6 SEVENTH AV
X6 ARTHUR KILL RD
X7 SEVENTH AV
X7 RICHMOND AV
X8 PEARL ST
X8 RICHMOND AV
X9 SEVENTH AV
X9 EBBITTS ST
X9 TYSENS LN
X10 THIRD AV
X10 JEWETT AV
X11 BROADWAY
X11 WILD AV
X12 11 AV
X12 SOUTH AV
X13 JEWETT AV
X13 RECTOR ST
X13 WHITEHALL ST
X14 11 AV
X14 JEWETT AV
X15 RICHMOND AV
X15 RECTOR ST
X15 WHITEHALL ST
X16 BROADWAY
X16 POST AV
X17 THIRD AV
X17 WOODROW RD
X18 TARGEE ST
X18 RECTOR ST
X18 SCHOOL RD
X18 WHITEHALL ST
X19 BROADWAY
X19 WOODROW RD
X20 RECTOR ST
X20 WHITEHALL ST
X20 FINGERBOARD RD
X20 SAND LN
X22 PAGE AV
X22 THIRD AV
X22 PARK AV
X25 PARK AV
X25 VESEY ST
X26 34 ST
X26 VESEY ST
X27 MADISON AV
X27 MARINE AV
X28 MADISON AV
X28 SURF AV
X29 MADISON AV
X29 STILLWELL AV
X30 11 AV
X30 CLOVE RD
X31 ARTHUR KILL RD
X31 THIRD AV
X31 PARK AV
X32 PARK AV
X32 165 ST
X51 165 ST
X51 34 ST
X37 MADISON AV
X37 MARINE AV
X38 MADISON AV
X38 SURF AV
X63 FIRST AV
X63 253 ST
X64 FIRST AV
X64 LINDEN BL
X68 FIRST AV
X68 HILLSIDE AV
X90 VESEY ST
X90 92 ST
Definately going:
WMATAGMOAGH
rideonrules
New Look Terrapin
Possibly going:
aznboy4305
Ballston/1C
Heard rumors about coming but not totally sure what you are doing:
Planes, trains, automobiles, and buses
Please let me know if you plan on coming but if you aren't there on time, you will be waiting a very long time for the next bus.
Joe Butler
Joe Butler
http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=6293
STUTTGART (Reuters) -- DaimlerChrysler AG said Monday that it expected its sales, revenues and profits from buses to rise this year, helped by a gradual stabilization in the market and cost cuts.
"We expect an improvement in unit sales, revenues and profits," Wolfgang Diez, head of the company's bus activities, which include the Mercedes-Benz, Setra and Orion brands, told a news conference.
He said he expected this year's unit sales and revenues to be about 10 percent higher than last year's, and profits to grow more due to the effects of cost cuts. In 2002, DaimlerChrysler produced 25,100 buses and it has a global market share of about 14 percent. The business had revenues of about $3.3 billion last year. Amid weak demand for buses and trucks, DaimlerChrysler had first-half bus sales of about 12,000 units and revenues totaled $1.5 billion, up about 6 percent from a year ago.
Dont’t know how Mercedes’ heavier buses are, but all I know is that the City Imp jitneys that they sold to Ireland that were used for inner-city operation fell apart in less than ten years—utter junk.
How come GMC and Mack aren’t in the bus business anymore? Certainly their buses outlasted any other ones on rubber. Ironic that the companies that started the bus revolution, so to speak, are well out of it…
I believe you can thank former GM CEO Roger Smith for the company's exit from the bus business. During the 1980's, Smith was fascinated with the idea of transforming GM into a space-age conglomerate with the purchase of unrelated businesses such as Ross Perot's EDS and Hughes Electronics. The bus business was sold to TMC, and locomotive arm EMD was also put on the block. GM later decided against selling EMD after Smith was forced out, and has since devoted a serious amount of time and money into revitalizing this division. Makes you wonder what might have happened if they never sold the bus business.
Jim D.
With their financial resources and research and development they will blow the competition away.
I see the current bus builders building themselves right out of business. My experience is with the NABI's in Miami. These buses are not built with the same quality that GM, Mack, ACF, etc. built their buses.
And this copncept of low floors... it is very ridiculous!
Each buses looses at least 6 to 10 seats over the front wheel wells.
And don't get me started on the yellow stanchions, like they use in Europe!...
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Wayne
You being a Yankees fan, well, enjoy the run while you can because its coming to an end very soon! My dad is a Yankee fan, too, for some unexplained reason, but luckily I didn't inherit those genes! : )
Because of Pam or just because being a Yankees fan outside of NY isn't the best idea?
The Originals....
All Original Photos By Me.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Again, extremely good job! Keep it up!
Jim D.
Trevor
Trevor
What do you make of this?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
MetroB
All maintenance work will be done indoors, though.
If they REALLY didn't want 100 St to be rebuilt, then they could of protested [probably to no avail anyway]. The people should of complained when it was open prior to 1998; as the situation with Walnut seeing that a good # of Bronx residents had asthma, that was a big factor in closing it down plus they wanted to sell the property. It was in a pretty desolate are you know.......
Regards,
Trevor Logan
2. Only in America......are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink.
3. Only in America......do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front.
4. Only in America......do people order double cheeseburgers, large fries, and a diet coke.
5. Only in America.......do banks leave both doors open and then chain the pens to the counter!
6. Only in America........do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the driveway and put our useless junk in the garage.
7. Only in America......do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place.
8. Only in America......do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight.
9. Only in America......do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.
10. Only in America......do they have drive-up ATM machines with Braille lettering.
_________________
EVER WONDER
Why the sun lightens our hair, but darkens our skin?
Why women can't put on mascara with their mouth closed?
Why don't you ever see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery"?
Why is "abbreviated" such a long word?
Why is it that doctors call what they do "practice"?
Why is it that to stop Windows 98, you have to click on "Start"?
Why is lemon juice made with artificial flavor, and dishwashing liquid made with real lemons?
Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker?
Why is the time of day with the slowest traffic called rush hour?
Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?
When dog food is new and improved tasting, who tests it?
Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?
Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injections?
You know that indestructible black box that is used on airplanes? Why don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff?!
Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?
Why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together?
If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?
If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the terminal?
Here's one.....
"Ever wonder why Kamakazi Pilots where helmets?"
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
We drive on parkways and park in driveways!
Wayne
Originals....
Enjoy!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Trevor
c
Yeah, for that first few months to a year they are. After a tour of duty on some heavy lines, they fall apart like a tender cooked pork chop.
Ozzy Zamora
MTA MABSTOA TC
Ultimate fan of Miami Dade Transit and Neoplan
ORION (except the II and III) RULES TOO!!
Jim D.
Just so that this post is not another futile attempt at something, I've made this same comment on QS's web site.
Where are the routes transferred to?
For example, the Q32?
Peace
David
Don't forget MDT, M101 will be combined with M102/M103 with 164 Runs on the weekday, 134 runs on saturday & 104 runs on sunday.
Peace
David
Can you name them and the company that they came from
Thank You
I'd say 126 Street (Manhattan, NYCTA), 146th Street (Hale) and Jamaica.
Part of me thinks ENY should be in there too, but I'm not sure.
Don't know the companies other than FACO.
Wayne
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Fresh Pond Depot was buit in the late 1950's by the New York City Transit Authority.
It was opened in July of 1960.
The original Fresh Pond was indeed a Trolley Barn that was acquired by the City when the Brooklyn Manhattan Transit Company was taken ove in 1940.
Thank You
Mother Hale was indeed Fifth Ave Coach
Can anyone guess the other two companies?
Hint one was a division of Fifth Ave Coach.
East New York is not correct because it was rebuilt in the late 1940's by the Board of Transportation
Thank You
132 Street
76th Street & Northern Blvd. (Queens - routes 15 & 16)
88th Street - closed in 1921
102 Street - sold in 1958
149 Street & 2nd Ave. - 1925-1928 for routes 12 & 14 operating in the Bronx)
1480 Madison Ave - sold in 1958
10 E. 102 Street - sold in 1960
New York City Omnibus had the following depots:
12 Street -
route 12 Spring & Delancy
route 13 8th Street crosstown
route 14 14 street crosstown
54 street depot
route 5 6 Avenue
route 6 Broadway
route 8 7 Avenue
route 15 23 Street Crosstown
route 16 34 Street Crosstown
route 21 Avenue C & Houston Street
100 Street depot:
routes 1/2 Madison Avenue
route 11 9 & Amsterdam Avenues
route 17 79 street crosstown
route 18 86 Street Crosstown
route 19 96 Street Crosstown
route 20 116 Street Crosstown
146 Stret Depot:
routes 3/4 Lexington Avenue
route 7 Broadway-Columbus-Lenox
route 10 8 Avenue
route TB Triboro Bridge
Surface Transit had the following depots:
Second Avenue & 126 Street (taken over by the TA in 1962-only TA depot in Manhattan)
Amsterdam
Kingsbridge
Coliseum
West Farms
Fifth Avenue routes 12 and 14 became Surface Transit routes 1 and 2.
B3-#4869-TMC
Q35-#619-GMCRTSII-04
Q53-#3003-Orion V-CNG
Q60-#5513-orion V
Robert
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
I need a verification ---
I know that there have been issues regarding archer av and Jamaica av,,,regarding EB and WB directional routings!!
please confirm---Jamaica Av is a Westbound Street and Archer Av is an eastbound street to Jamaica Terminal
thanks,much
steve
FDNY
Both Jamaica and Archer are two-way streets. Some routes use one, some use the other, and some use both as a one-way pair...
Archer (both directions): Q4, Q5, Q20A/B, Q42, Q44, Q83, Q84, Q85, Q111, Q112, Q113, N4
Jamaica (both directions): Q54, Q56, Q110
Archer EB, Jamaica WB: Q6, Q8, Q9, Q24, Q30, Q31, Q41
BTW, I'm ignoring any route that uses either street for only one block.
Are the LIRR Terminal (station)
and turnaround streets used as of this date ??
(via Queens Blvd,Jamaica Av,Van Wck Northbound Service Road ,Hillside Av,Queens Blvd)
the same for 57 Av/56 Av trips via Queens Blvd Manhattan bound,,90 st ,56 Av ,Queens blvd Jamaica Bound
thanks,much
steve
FDNY
What are you talking about? What's happening? Why is the Q60 ending early?
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
As far as I know,,there is the 33 st/queens blvd turnaround,,only ,,can someone confirm this
Okay, I know it's not as emotional as the end of Ride-On's 27 bus, but still, I had to pass that along...
This afternoon saw three Neoplan artics parked at Federal Triangle, in a row, I have never seen that before. They must be getting ready for the shuttles. Next was seeing the Madden Cruiser on M Street?(not sure, was near the Ritz Carlton in downtown DC). Later saw 5211 and 5240 parked outside of a McDonalds on Landover Road, getting their grubb on. 4260 might be the next one to get retrofitted with new LED signs, the back rear route number sign has been taken out. Also saw the first new retrofitted 1999 Orion V with the new LED signs other than 4309 and 4200 as 4381 passed in front of my house doing a shuttle run about 30 minutes ago. Also 8743 was running on the 84 and 8751 on the F12. And last but not least more Flxibles visiting Landover as 4103 was on the T18 and 4104 was on the A15. They won't be there for long. That is it for now.
Channel 4 was showing some of the shuttles and I saw a Neo along with a couple of NABI's. The only Flxible I could actually see the number was 9207.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
MetroB
MetroB
However.. "Traffic Checkers" as "supervisors"? LOL! What are they supervising, their pens?
In any event, most supervisory positions are obtained by promotion from within, unless you know someone "downtown". Then, unkie Charles might get you some cushy Supt position. But you've been warned. DOB doesn't supply knee pads.
Open wide!
MetroB
The last two Queens Division General Managers, Transportation were,
1- Attorney
2- Maintenence Supervisor
The highest title one can have within a borough and neither of them drove a bus in passenger serivce nor provided public transportation to anyone. One of them never drove a bus at all. The other repaired them, way back when they were sheet metal and glass.
The former upset his superior, so a 'lateral move' had to be made!
The current clown sits in front of video cameras all day watching movies of Queens Village depot. Just don't bother him with trivial transit issues. He knows nothing about transportation. It doesn't matter if we have enough buses to make pull-out. It doesn't matter that the buses aren't repaired as well as they could be. What matters you say? That the B/O have proper bus shoes and fitted tucked shirts!
Who needs an uncle in the carpet business? Got an uncle in the TA business? You're all set!
Sounds a little better than NYCDOT. At NYCDOT, their job is to keep transportation in a time warp (i.e. screw everybody that didn't get in before 1989) until someone at the City Council finds out that CNG buses that go nowhere pollute more than diesel buses that do.
Read today's Advance (www.silive.com) story about the ferries. Seems that someone brought home $2 million which NYCDOT doesn't yet know how to spend...oops! We aren't supposed to know such info.
MetroB
That applies to most organizations outside of transit too.
JD
MetroB
MetroB
I'm very interested too! Please e-mail me the information, please? Thanks in advance!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
MetroB
Any good supervisor comes from within, as learning the system and procedures is best learned 'hands-on'. If you're looking for suggestions, take the entry level position and work your way up. That is, if you plan to be of any kind of value to the department, and not some scab manager placed by a friend into a title which wouldn't offer you any respect from your peers or subordinates. Positions obtained this was usually don't last very long anyway. These folks are usually replaced with employees from within who can offer more in the way of thinking, planning and past practice from their field experience than from a book.
Again, I'm curious as to why you would seek a job title which you know nothing about.
MetroB
MetroB
What the hell?
Oh let me just stay out of this topic.
BIG AL
Definately coming:
WMATAGMOAGH
New Look Terrapin
Possibly coming:
Aznboy4305
WES
Ballston/1C
Rideonrules
Would come if he were in DC area tomorrow:
Chapter 11 Choo Choo
Not sure at all:
Planes, trains, automobiles, and buses
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Just 11 trips left...
Long live Ride-On Route 27
BTW
GO TERPS!!!
Hmmmmm....I guess what I saw on Thursday wasn't for driving all the way down to Talahassee. But still, it's a damn good way to get yourself shuttled to an airport;-)
Hopefully, they show up for the Florida State game. That was awful what they did against Northern Illinois.
Enjoy!
Originals...
Regards,
Trevor Logan
I'm not perfect, I'm still a novice!
Trevor
First, the bus needs the signature LI Bus four-panel door.
Second, those buildings in the background are obviously imported from the Bronx.
-Off note: I noticed that some of the buses still had "JACK KENT COOK STADIUM" still programed into their destination signs.
Enjoy,
Trevor
Robert
HVAC systems were secondary as far as the rear windows was concerned - they can be placed anywhere on the bus. When the PS/TNJ fishbowls were rebuilt in the 70s, the AC equipment was mounted under the floor just behind the front axle - same place as GMC used on its intercity coaches. It wasn't clearance because the current roof-mounbted units are MUCH higher than the factory AC condenser of a GMC Fishbowl (which added just 1.25 inches). In fact, the Flxible 870/Metro and an air-conditioned Fishbowl had the same overall height. Center-roof air units on today's buses add as much as a foot to the height.
C
They're used mainly on shuttle runs in the Hyde Park neighborhood, under contract with the University of Chicago.
C
Also noticed some buses still had "JACK KENT COOK STADIUM" in the destination signs.
Good. I'm glad some operators would rather refer to the Redskins stadium by it's old (and proper) name...
I don't think they will reprogram the signs to read FEDEX FIELD, but the new buses purchased will have FEDEX FIELD programmed in.
David
The bus has a base color of white.
The doors on the bus open and close, open and close, open and close. The doors on the bus open and close, all day long.......
Robert
to here.
Sorry for wasting space.
S42 FERRY TERMINAL
S42 CLYDE PL
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S44 YUKON AV
S46 FERRY TERMINAL
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Q48 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
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N48 BROADWAY
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N53 PARK AV
N53 HEWLETT AV
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N62 HENRY ST
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N70 PINELAWN RD
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N80 JOHN ST
N80 CARMANS RD
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N93 STEWART AV
N93 GLENN CURTISS BL
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X3 EBBITTS ST
X3 TYSENS LN
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X4 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 THIRD AV
X5 PARK AV
X6 SEVENTH AV
X6 ARTHUR KILL RD
X7 SEVENTH AV
X7 RICHMOND AV
X8 PEARL ST
X8 RICHMOND AV
X9 SEVENTH AV
X9 EBBITTS ST
X9 TYSENS LN
X10 THIRD AV
X10 JEWETT AV
X11 BROADWAY
X11 WILD AV
X12 11 AV
X12 SOUTH AV
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X13 WHITEHALL ST
X14 11 AV
X14 JEWETT AV
X15 RICHMOND AV
X15 RECTOR ST
X15 WHITEHALL ST
X16 BROADWAY
X16 POST AV
X17 THIRD AV
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X18 TARGEE ST
X18 RECTOR ST
X18 SCHOOL RD
X18 WHITEHALL ST
X19 BROADWAY
X19 WOODROW RD
X20 RECTOR ST
X20 WHITEHALL ST
X20 FINGERBOARD RD
X20 SAND LN
X22 PAGE AV
X22 THIRD AV
X22 PARK AV
X25 PARK AV
X25 VESEY ST
X26 34 ST
X26 VESEY ST
X27 MADISON AV
X27 MARINE AV
X28 MADISON AV
X28 SURF AV
X29 MADISON AV
X29 STILLWELL AV
X30 11 AV
X30 CLOVE RD
X31 ARTHUR KILL RD
X31 THIRD AV
X31 PARK AV
X32 PARK AV
X32 165 ST
X51 165 ST
X51 34 ST
X37 MADISON AV
X37 MARINE AV
X38 MADISON AV
X38 SURF AV
X63 FIRST AV
X63 253 ST
X64 FIRST AV
X64 LINDEN BL
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X68 HILLSIDE AV
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X90 92 ST
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Incognito
-Ronnie
Started out at 2:50pm by taking B8 866 to Flatbush Av to transfer to the B41 LTD. I let local 9397 go then I see the LTD right behind it so I get on 8031 and were off. All is well during the trip and between Empire Blvd and GAP we go 35mph before running into some traffic and all the time we might of saved was lost now as a result :-\. Missed 3-4 lights before we finally proceeded north and its a good run to Nevins/Livingston to catch the 7 Av or Lexington Av trains. I miss BOTH the 3 and the 4 so I have to wait then another 4 train approaches and I get a 1100s R142. A nice run on the Lexington Av express and I take it to Grand Central/42 St to catch the M104 to head uptown. So I go up and I see 6107 but I let it go since it was too crowded so I see all of the local and express buses and I see the MCI Classics from NYBS [Im gonna miss the scheme :-(]. I see two M42s go by before the next M104, 423 arrived at 4:21pm {KEEP AN EYE ON THIS TIME!} We remained on 42 S for about 15 minutes picking up and discharging the pax then we run up via 8 Av, had a W/C by W 46 St and its not too bad in the beginning. We continue then head north on Broadway and all is well until 66 St when we start t have a crowd once again. Proceeding north the W/C gets off at W 82 St and at the VERY next stop at W 84 a 2nd W/C gets on the bus and the bus continues to fill up as we go along making the stops so at 86 St it was 5:09pm. More people get on (Artics would really be of great help!) and making every stop along the way, making it very time consuming.
The traffic flow was good on Broadway but the constant stopping made the trip look endless and that wasnt a problem until reaching West 120 St where the traffic starts to build up. Takes what 20 minutes to reach 125 St/Broadway so its 5:45pm & I had enough and I walk down 125 St to Amsterdam Av to avoid more possible tie ups and I walk to Amsterdam Av to catch the M100. IT TAKES AN ASTOUNDING 84 MINUTES to get from 42/Lexington to 125/Bway! So 6106 comes up right away and I get on and its a C-O-L-D bus. It was pretty crowded and we pass by the Amsterdam depot at 129 St and I see what would be the final pull ins/pull outs for AMS :-((. The end of the line for AMS is near. Got a seat by 135 St and we head north via Amsterdam and some traffic at a few intersections to 155 St where I get off to catch the Bx6. I see 3 buses go towards 158 St but waited 20 minutes before 435 finally arrives and there was a whole crowd of people waiting for it and all the seats were gone by time I got on. Takes 10 minutes just to travel 2 bus stops to St Nicholas Av and 155 St was a mess to begin with :-\. Takes about 15 minutes just to reach the Macombs Dam bridge then we arrive at Yankee stadium at around 7:15pm. The bus gets pretty crowded and we see two Bx6s behind us so then we travel via East 163 St and I take it to 3 Avenue to get off and get the Bx15. A VERY SLOW ride and this timeline basically sums it up on the Bx6 ride along with a few observations.
Observations:
# of M2s heading towards 168 St: 4
# of Bx6s heading towards 158 St: 14
Timeline:
6:11: Arrived at 155 St
6:31: Bx6 435 comes
6:32: Depart Amsterdam Av
6:43: Arrive St Nick Av
6:46: Depart St Nick Av
7:01: Arrived at Macombs Dam bridge
7:07: Arrived in Bronx
7:09: Made 1st stop in Bronx
7:27: Arrived at 3 Av
I just missed 433 on the Bx15 and then a few minutes later I see two Bx55s in a row [nothing new there] but I decide to pass them up and wait. Heading in the opposite direction I saw three Bx15s in a row 441, 6085 & 6096. Had to wait 13 minutes and then I see two 15s arrive at the same time, 430 & 437 and I decide to go for the 1st bus which is 430. A cool bus and its a average run while we stay close to the other bus and then by 138 St we have some resistance. We make the turn onto the bridge and we miss 2 lights before were able to ride across the bridge to Manhattan at 2 Av. I continue the ride to Lexington Av where I get off to catch the 4 train to start heading home. Well I have to say that it was a memorable trip seeing that MAS will be closing for good this weekend although we had some slow ups, especially on the M104. I go down then a R62 4 train is arriving on the platform and we run down Lexington Av via express and its a speedy run [with some door holding in between] and we barreled through the Joralemon tube into Brooklyn. I got off at Atlantic Av to catch the Q and I run downstairs to see the arriving Q local so I get on it, take it to my stop Newkirk Av then I hop on a O7 B8 and I take it home. This trip took 6 hours to complete, way too long if you ask me but nonetheless I enjoyed the trip!
NF 866 B8
RTS 8031 B41 LTD
R142 1127 (4)
Orion 423 M104
Orion 6106 M100
Orion 435 Bx6
Orion 430 Bx15
R62 1488 (4)
R68 2884 (Q)
Orion VII 7577 B8
PH #2
SO LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR STOP ASKING THE SAME DAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. I HAVE YOU IN MY KILLFILE BY I SEE YOU USE BOTH CTDA AND cdta SO I GUESS THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO GET AROUD BENNING ANNOYINY TO MOST EVERONE HERE ONE ON THE BOARD.
ROBERT
Robert
Robert
Peace,
Kevin
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Peace,
Kevin
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Peace,
Kevin
To quote Dana Carvey doing Johnny Carson on the old 'Saturday Night Live' shows ...
"Weird, wild stuff!"
JD
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Have fun! And make sure your jaw doesn't drop TOO far to the ground...
Incognito
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
They may be punkass buses to you, and I understand that on a number of levels, but just because they are Orion VII photos, doesn't mean you gotta call my photos punkass...
Now, that's just wrong...
I think my photos are damn good...
Incognito
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Incognito
You may have missed a post or two, i don't know...but the latest is that the C40LFs are enroute back to Gleason...
Incognito...
Many new buses today appear to have the same kind of mega-sized exhaust pipe protruding from the roof. The new Neoplan buses in Boston (both MBTA and Paul Revere Trans.) have a similar-sized pipe.
JD
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
And now I am hearing that those C40LFs are not in West Farms anymore...I hear they are back in Brooklyn.
Incognito
Peace,
Kevin
Peace,
Kevin
Since West Farms has opened, I have noticed a fleet change on the Bx 21 line that runs to Westchester Square via Morris Park Ave.
While the depot was being built, the line ran mostly Orions that had Clara Hale stickers on them. On occassion, one or two low floor hybrids would be thrown in also.
Now, a good many RTS's are running on the line.
Q26-#112-Orion V
Q12-#544-Orion V
Q25-#347-TMC
Q48-#550-Orion V
Q19B-#3016-Orion V CNG
Q32-#6136-Orion V
BM3-#4970-Orion V CNG
S42 FERRY TERMINAL
S42 CLYDE PL
S42 HAVENWOOD RD
S44 FERRY TERMINAL
S44 YUKON AV
S46 FERRY TERMINAL
S46 SOUTH AV
S48 FERRY TERMINAL
S48 HOLLAND AV
S51 FERRY TERMINAL
S51 RICHMOND RD
S51 MIDLAND AV
S52 FERRY TERMINAL
S52 MASON AV
S53 PORT RICHMOND AV
S53 FOURTH AV
S54 BROADWAY
S54 RICHMOND AV
S55 RING RD
S55 EYLANDT ST
S56 RING RD
S56 EYLANDT ST
S57 PORT RICHMOND AV
S57 EBBITTS ST
S59 PORT RICHMOND AV
S59 HYLAN BL
S59 MAIN ST
S60 VICTORY BL
S60 ARLO RD
S60 RENWICK AV
S61 FERRY TERMINAL
S61 YUKON AV
S62 FERRY TERMINAL
S62 WILD AV
S66 FERRY TERMINAL
S66 PORT RICHMOND AV
S67 FERRY TERMINAL
S67 PORT RICHMOND AV
S74 FERRY TERMINAL
S74 MAIN ST
S76 FERRY TERMINAL
S76 DELWIT AV
S78 FERRY TERMINAL
S78 MAIN ST
S79 MARSH AV
S79 FOURTH AV
S84 FERRY TERMINAL
S84 MAIN ST
S91 FERRY TERMINAL
S91 YUKON AV
S92 FERRY TERMINAL
S92 WILD AV
S94 FERRY TERMINAL
S94 YUKON AV
S96 FERRY TERMINAL
S96 SOUTH AV
S98 FERRY TERMINAL
S98 HOLLAND AV
B1 MACKAY PL
B1 MACKENZIE ST
B2 AVENUE U
B2 QUENTIN RD
B3 AVENUE X
B3 HARWAY AV
B4 KNAPP ST
B4 NARROWS AV
B6 CROPSEY AV
B6 NEW LOTS AV
B6 GLENWOOD RD
B7 BROADWAY
B7 FLATBUSH AV
B7 QUENTIN RD
B8 ROCKAWAY AV
B8 MARINE AV
B9 AVENUE U
B9 MACKAY PL
B11 FLATBUSH AV
B11 58 ST
B12 SHERIDAN AV
B12 OCEAN AV
B13 METROPOLITAN AV
B13 GATEWAY DR
B14 LINDEN BL
B14 UTICA AV
B15 BROADWAY
B15 KENNEDY AIRPORT
B16 LINCOLN RD
B16 MARINE AV
B17 UTICA AV
B17 SEAVIEW AV
B17 80 ST
B20 FAIRVIEW AV
B20 POSTAL FACILLITY RD
B23 FLATBUSH AV
B23 NEW UTRECHT AV
B24 MANHATTEN AV
B24 BROADWAY
B25 BROADWAY
B25 FURMAN ST
B26 WYCKOFF AV
B26 TILLARY ST
B31 LOIS AV
B31 QUENTIN RD
B35 ROCKAWAY AV
B35 FIRST AV
B36 GRAVESEND NECK RD
B36 SURF AV
B37 COURT ST
B37 SHORE RD
B38 METROPOLITAN AV
B38 TILLARY ST
B39 ALLEN ST
B39 BROADWAY
B41 TILLARY ST
B41 AVENUE U
B41 VETERANS AV
B42 GLENWOOD RD
B42 CANARSIE PIER LP
B43 BOX ST
B43 LINCOLN RD
B44 BROADWAY
B44 KNAPP ST
B45 RALPH AV
B45 COURT ST
B46 BROADWAY
B46 AVENUE U
B47 FLUSHING AV
B47 AVENUE U
B48 GARDNER AV
B48 LINCOLN RD
B49 FULTON ST
B49 MACKENZIE ST
B51 BEEKMAN ST
B51 FULTON ST
B52 PALMETTO ST
B52 TILLARY ST
B54 WYCKOFF AV
B54 TILLARY ST
B57 GRAND AV
B57 BOERUM PL
B60 BROADWAY
B60 FLATLANDS AV
B61 JACKSON AV
B61 VAN DYKE ST
B63 COLUMBIA ST
B63 SHORE RD
B64 FOURTH AV
B64 SURF AV
B65 RALPH AV
B65 FULTON ST
B67 SANDS ST
B67 CORTELYOU RD
B68 BARTEL PRITCHARD SQ
B68 SURF AV
B69 JAY ST
B69 TENTH AV
B70 FIRST AV
B70 POLY PL
B71 STERLING PL
B71 VAN BRUNT ST
B74 SURF AV
B74 NEPTUNE AV
B75 SANDS ST
B75 EIGHTH AV
B77 FIFTH AV
B77 VAN BRUNT ST
B82 SEAVIEW AV
B82 CANAL AV
B83 FULTON ST
B83 SEAVIEW AV
M1 147 ST
M1 LAFAYETTE ST
M1 WHITEHALL ST
M2 AUDUBON AV
M2 LAFAYETTE ST
M3 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
M3 BROADWAY
M4 CABRINI BL
M4 SEVENTH AV
M5 BROADWAY
M5 HOUSTON ST
M6 SIXTH AV
M6 WHITEHALL ST
M7 147 ST
M7 UNIVERSITY PL
M8 AVENUE D
M8 CHRISTOPHER ST
M9 FOURTH AV
M9 LIBERTY ST
M10 159 ST
M10 31 ST
M11 RIVERSIDE DR
M11 BETHUNE ST
M14 WEST ST
M14 CHERRY ST
M14 COLUMBIA ST
M15 126 ST
M15 WHITEHALL ST
M15 PARK PL
M16 FIRST AV
M16 42 ST
M18 AUDUBON AV
M18 FIFTH AV
M20 BROADWAY
M20 LIBERTY ST
M21 FIRST AV
M21 HUDSON ST
M22 CHERRY ST
M22 VESEY ST
M22 SAINT JAMES PL
M23 AVENUE C
M23 22 ST
M50 FIRST AV
M50 42 ST
M57 YORK AV
M57 BROADWAY
M60 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
M60 BROADWAY
M66 YORK AV
M66 66 ST
M72 YORK AV
M72 FREEDOM PL
M79 YORK AV
M79 RIVERSIDE DR
M86 YORK AV
M86 BROADWAY
M96 FIRST AV
M96 BROADWAY
M98 CABRINI BL
M98 LEXINGTON AV
M100 BROADWAY
M100 THIRD AV
M101 190 ST
M101 THIRD AV
M102 147 ST
M102 THIRD AV
M103 LEXINGTON AV
M103 BEEKMAN ST
M104 AMSTERDAM AV
M104 FIRST AV
M106 FIRST AV
M106 BROADWAY
M116 PLEASANT AV
M116 BROADWAY
BX1 RIVERDALE AV
BX1 LINCOLN AV
BX2 FORT INDEPENDENCE ST
BX2 LINCOLN AV
BX3 BROADWAY
BX3 WADSWORTH AV
BX4 LANE AV
BX4 BERGEN AV
BX5 WESTCHESTER AV
BX5 SHORE RD
BX5 PARK DR
BX6 HALLECK ST
BX6 RIVERSIDE DR
BX7 RIVERDALE AV
BX7 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX8 WHITE PLAINS RD
BX8 TIERNEY PL
BX9 BROADWAY
BX9 BOSTON RD
BX10 RIVERDALE AV
BX10 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX11 WESTCHESTER AV
BX11 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX12 BROADWAY
BX12 BAY PLAZA BL
BX12 PARK DR
BX13 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX13 RIVER AV
BX13 ELTON AV
BX14 AMPERE AV
BX14 HUGH GRANT CR
BX15 FORDHAM RD
BX15 BROADWAY
BX16 ROPES AV
BX16 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX17 FORDHAM RD
BX17 WALNUT AV
BX18 MORRIS AV
BX18 SEDGWICK AV
BX19 FORDHAM RD
BX19 RIVERSIDE DR
BX20 246 ST
BX20 BROADWAY
BX21 LANE AV
BX21 LINCOLN AV
BX22 ZEREGA AV
BX22 BOSTON RD
BX22 VALENTINE AV
BX22 PAUL AV
BX25 ERSKINE PL
BX25 PAUL AV
BX26 ERSKINE PL
BX26 PAUL AV
BX27 CORNELL AV
BX27 WESTCHESTER AV
BX27 SOUTHERN BL
BX28 ERSKINE PL
BX28 VALENTINE AV
BX29 BARTOW AV
BX29 ROCHELLE ST
BX30 ERSKINE PL
BX30 ROCHAMBEAU AV
BX31 WEBSTER AV
BX31 WESTCHESTER AV
BX32 WEBB AV
BX32 LINCOLN AV
BX33 LOCUST AV
BX33 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX34 KATONAH AV
BX34 FORDHAM RD
BX35 HOE AV
BX35 BROADWAY
BX36 RANDALL AV
BX36 BROADWAY
BX39 GUN HILL RD
BX39 CORNELL AV
BX40 PENNYFIELD AV
BX40 SEDGWICK AV
BX41 CRANFORD AV
BX41 WILLIS AV
BX42 BALCOM AV
BX42 SEDGWICK AV
BX55 149 ST
BX55 FORHAM RD
BX55 WHITE PLAINS RD
Q1 165 ST
Q1 BRADDOCK AV
Q1 SPRINGFIELD BL
Q2 HEMPSTEAD AV
Q2 165 ST
Q3 165 ST
Q3 KENNEDY AIRPORT
Q4 LINDEN BL
Q4 PARSONS BL
Q5 PARSONS BL
Q5 GREEN ACRES RD
Q5 BROOKVILLE BL
Q12 GLENWOOD ST
Q12 MAIN ST
Q13 TOTTEN AV
Q13 MAIN ST
Q14 CLINTONVILLE ST
Q14 MAIN ST
Q15 POWELLS COVE BL
Q15 MAIN ST
Q16 TOTTEN AV
Q16 MAIN ST
Q17 MAIN ST
Q17 165 ST
Q20 MERRICK BL
Q20 COLLEGE POINT BL
Q24 165 ST
Q24 PATCHEN AV
Q26 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q26 MAIN ST
Q27 JAMAICA AV
Q27 MAIN ST
Q28 BELL BL
Q28 MAIN ST
Q30 NASSAU BL
Q30 SUTPHIN BL
Q30 MERRICK BL
Q31 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q31 SUTPHIN BL
Q32 NORTHERN BL
Q32 SEVENTH AV
Q36 JAMAICA AV
Q36 165 ST
Q42 PARSONS BL
Q42 SAYRES AV
Q43 HILLSIDE AV
Q43 SUTPHIN BL
Q44 MERRICK BL
Q44 BOSTON RD
Q46 LAKEVILLE RD
Q46 QUEENS BL
Q48 MAIN ST
Q48 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
Q54 JAMAICA AV
Q54 BROADWAY
Q55 HILLSIDE AV
Q55 WYCKOFF AV
Q56 JAMAICA AV
Q56 VAN SINDEREN AV
Q58 MAIN ST
Q58 PALMETTO ST
Q59 JUNCTION BL
Q59 KENT AV
Q74 MELBOURNE AV
Q74 QUEENS BL
Q75 CLOVERDALE BL
Q75 165 ST
Q76 132 ST
Q76 165 ST
Q77 165 ST
Q77 145 RD
Q79 249 ST
Q79 JAMAICA AV
Q83 JAMAICA AV
Q83 HILLSIDE AV
Q84 130 AV
Q84 PARSONS BL
Q85 PARSONS BL
Q85 GREEN ACRES RD
Q88 JAMAICA AV
Q88 QUEENS BL
N1 ROCKAWAY AV
N1 ELMONT RD
N1 165 ST
N2 GREEN ACRES RD
N2 COVERT AV
N2 165 ST
N3 GREEN ACRES RD
N3 FRANKLIN AV
N3 165 ST
N4 HENRY ST
N4 PARSONS BL
N6 JACKSON ST
N6 165 ST
N8 GREEN ACRES RD
N8 FRANKLIN AV
N14 DEMOTT AV
N14 MERRICK RD
N15 ZECKENDORF BL
N15 CENTER ST
N16 FOXHURST AV
N16 STEWART AV
N17 CENTRE AV
N17 JACKSON ST
N19 MAIN ST
N19 RAILROAD AV
N20 NEWBRIDGE RD
N20 MAIN ST
N21 BRIDGE ST
N21 MAIN ST
N22 165 ST
N22 JERUSALEM AV
N22 ZECKENDORF AV
N23 ORCHARD BEACH RD
N23 OLD COUNTRY RD
N24 MERRICK AV
N24 165 ST
N25 MIDDLE NECK RD
N25 LANGDON PL
N26 COMMUNITY DR
N26 165 ST
N27 BRIDGE ST
N27 JACKSON ST
N28 SHORE RD
N28 LINCOLN AV
N31 JACKSON ST
N31 SEAGIRT BL
N32 JACKSON ST
N32 SEAGIRT BL
N33 CENTER ST
N33 MOTT AV
N35 ROCKLAND ST
N35 WASHINGTON ST
N36 HENRY ST
N36 BROADWAY
N37 JACKSON ST
N37 ATLANTIC AV
N40 THIRD AV
N40 HENRY ST
N41 THIRD AV
N41 HENRY ST
N43 ZECKENDORF BL
N43 HENRY ST
N45 SELFRIDGE AV
N45 CENTRE AV
N46 MERRICK RD
N46 JACKSON ST
N47 JERUSALEM AV
N47 JACKSON ST
N48 JACKSON ST
N48 BROADWAY
N49 JACKSON ST
N49 BROADWAY
N50 NEWBRIDGE RD
N50 CENTRE AV
N51 SELFRIDGE AV
N51 HEWLETT AV
N52 WILLIAM ST
N52 HEWLETT AV
N53 PARK AV
N53 HEWLETT AV
N54 JACKSON ST
N54 OAK ST
N55 JACKSON ST
N55 LOUDEN AV
N57 PARK PL
N57 MIDDLE NECK RD
N58 KINGS POINT RD
N58 PARK PL
N62 HENRY ST
N62 HOWARD AV
N65 MAIN ST
N65 MERRICK AV
N66 MAIN ST
N66 EMROY RD
N67 STEWART AV
N67 PRINCE AV
N70 JACKSON ST
N70 PINELAWN RD
N71 JACKSON ST
N71 CARMANS RD
N72 JACKSON ST
N72 RAILROAD AV
N73 BARCLAY ST
N73 MERRICK RD
N74 BARCLAY ST
N74 MERRICK RD
N78 THIRD AV
N78 NEWTOWN RD
N79 THIRD AV
N79 PLAINVIEW RD
N80 JOHN ST
N80 CARMANS RD
N81 JOHN ST
N81 CARMANS RD
N93 STEWART AV
N93 GLENN CURTISS BL
N94 NEWBRIDGE RD
N94 PIQUETS LN
N95 PINELAWN RD
N95 SECATOGUE AV
X1 SEVENTH AV
X1 ARTHUR KILL RD
X2 THIRD AV
X2 EBBITTS ST
X2 PARK AV
X2 TYSENS LN
X3 VESEY ST
X3 EBBITTS ST
X3 TYSENS LN
X4 VESEY ST
X4 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 THIRD AV
X5 PARK AV
X6 SEVENTH AV
X6 ARTHUR KILL RD
X7 SEVENTH AV
X7 RICHMOND AV
X8 PEARL ST
X8 RICHMOND AV
X9 SEVENTH AV
X9 EBBITTS ST
X9 TYSENS LN
X10 THIRD AV
X10 JEWETT AV
X11 BROADWAY
X11 WILD AV
X12 11 AV
X12 SOUTH AV
X13 JEWETT AV
X13 RECTOR ST
X13 WHITEHALL ST
X14 11 AV
X14 JEWETT AV
X15 RICHMOND AV
X15 RECTOR ST
X15 WHITEHALL ST
X16 BROADWAY
X16 POST AV
X17 THIRD AV
X17 WOODROW RD
X18 TARGEE ST
X18 RECTOR ST
X18 SCHOOL RD
X18 WHITEHALL ST
X19 BROADWAY
X19 WOODROW RD
X20 RECTOR ST
X20 WHITEHALL ST
X20 FINGERBOARD RD
X20 SAND LN
X22 PAGE AV
X22 THIRD AV
X22 PARK AV
X25 PARK AV
X25 VESEY ST
X26 34 ST
X26 VESEY ST
X27 MADISON AV
X27 MARINE AV
X28 MADISON AV
X28 SURF AV
X29 MADISON AV
X29 STILLWELL AV
X30 11 AV
X30 CLOVE RD
X31 ARTHUR KILL RD
X31 THIRD AV
X31 PARK AV
X32 PARK AV
X32 165 ST
X51 165 ST
X51 34 ST
X37 MADISON AV
X37 MARINE AV
X38 MADISON AV
X38 SURF AV
X63 FIRST AV
X63 253 ST
X64 FIRST AV
X64 LINDEN BL
X68 FIRST AV
X68 HILLSIDE AV
X90 VESEY ST
X90 92 ST
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Chuck Greene
The following bus depots within NYC have CNG facilities:
Command
Queens Surface
Jackie Gleason
Zerega
The following bus depots within NYC have HEV facilities:
Manhattanville
If those statement are correct, why would C40LFs be parked at West Farms?
David
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STATEN ISLAND
R1,R2,R3,R4,R5,R6,R6S,R7,R8X,R9X,R10X,R11X,R13X,R14X,R17X,
R101,R102,R103,R103S,R104,R106,R107,R108,R109,R110,R111,
R112,R113,R115,R117,
BROOKLYN
B1,B2,B3,B4,B5,B6,B7,B8,B9,B10,B11,B12,B13,B14,B15,B16,
B17,B18,B19,B20,B21,B22,B23,B24,B25,B26,B27X,B28X,B29X,
B30,B31,B33,B34,B36,B37,B38,B39,B40,B41,B42,B44,B45,B46,
B47,B48,B49,B50,B52,B53,B54,B55,B56,B57,B58,B59,B60,B61,
B62,B63,B64,B65,B67,B68,B69,B70,B71,B74,B75,B77,B78,B83,
B88
MANHATTEN
M1,M2,M3,M4,M5,M6,M7,M10,M11,M12,M13,M14,M15,M16,M17,M18,
M19,M20,M21,M22,M23X,M26,M27,M28,M29,M30,M31,M32,M34,M35,
M41,M100,M101,M102,M103,M104,M106
THE BRONX
BX1,BX2,BX3,BX4,BX5,BX6,BX7,BX8,BX9,BX10,BX11,BX12,BX13,
BX14,BX15,BX16,BX17,BX18,BX19,BX20,BX21,BX22,BX23,BX24,
BX25,BX26,BX27,BX28,BX29,BX30,BX31,BX32,BX33,BX34,BX35,
BX36,BX37,BX38,BX40,BX41,BX42,BX49,BX52,BX54,BX55
QUEENS
Q1,Q2,Q3,Q3A,Q4,Q4A,Q5,Q5S,Q5A,Q5AB,Q5AS,Q12,Q12A,Q13,Q14,
Q15,Q16,Q17,Q17A,Q18X,Q20X,Q24X,Q26,Q27,Q28,Q31,Q36,Q42,
Q43,Q44,Q44A,Q44B,Q44FS,Q44VP,Q48,Q75,Q76,Q77,Q88,Q89
NASSAU COUNTY
N1,N2,N3,N4,N5,N6,N14,N15,N16,N16A,N19,N21,N22,N22A,N22B,
N23,N24,N25,N32C,N32W,N33,N36,N37,N38A,N38B,N39C,N39D,N40,
N40B,N45,N51,N51A,N51B,N52,N52B,N53,N57,N57A,N57B,N58,N62,
N72,N72B,N72C,N72G,N73,N77,N79,N79A,N80,N80A,N82
David
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
This weekend, Amsterdam and Hudson Pier close; while 100th St. and West Farms (former Coliseum site) open; with wholesale assigmment changes at all MABSTOA garages.
correct me if im wrong, but this message board is not only about NYC buses.
so youre letting everyone know to not abbreviate because u dont like it when people confuse you ... and u dont wanna educate yourself about the other GBLs, MTAs, NJTs, etc etc etc.
eh
I see you STILL DON'T GET IT :-\. All we are saying is tht if you're referring to the LA bus system, we're suggesting you use LAMTA since when we say "MTA", we think of NYC buses.
During my brief bus-driving career in the 1980's, I once had a bus fan take a picture of my RTS. Of course, once I saw him I slowed the bus down so he could get a good picture and gave him a wave.
JD
JD
mellow out doode, u aint the only MTA fan in Los Angeles on bustalk
mellow out doode, i aint the only MTA fan in Los Angeles on bustalk
and whoever gets scared oh well
Well, it is only a matter of time. No sign of the hybrids when I last visited Oriskany in July, though.
Jim D.
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since you're going on and on and on about me confusing u and everybody else on this board , why dont u & everybody else try using NYCMTA and then I will use LACMTA.
such a crybaby
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nobody doesnt care if you're confused or not. I can go all day long by referring to LAMTA, Houston MTA, Baltimore, etc as MTA if i want to ... in fact, yeah thats what I should do right now. If you dont like the pics, then dont waste your time by responding ... cuz this aint limited to NYCMTA only.
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PS Look at the other responses to you
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=85765
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=85769
And your saying it's only me who feels this way?
why u still going on and on about this shit? u must be stupider than I thought
"I too thought it was the Orion 7 Hybrid, lol, and I agree it should be LA MTA."
And it seem like I was whinning because you started to get your fucking attitude when I asked you something as simple as adding two letters......Is adding LA that hard? That's all the fuck I asked!
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Im going to say this one more time and Im through.
If im confusing you or anybody else, So What. Get used to it !
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heres a Twinkie on the 445
Don't have AIM, eh? Download it free @ www.aim.com!
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Me too. I'd love to have one to use to drive all my friends around in.
I really don't get tiny busses, on one hand their small capacity means that a dozen riders on one route won't make them feel the bus is completely empty. However, on the otherhand you're strictly restricted to that small capacity, which means that the number of passengers per operator will always be low. Also if a given route is exclusively based on the smaller busses, such as say, LUCY, then that bus route will be at risk of dangerous overcrowding at certain times of the day. This is especially the true in the case of the LUCY busses, whose nearly explicit purpose is to get UPenn Faculty and Students to and from 30th St station. In the mornings and evenings these busses are absolutely packed, people coming out the doors. They may not be able to run any more busses due to a limited number of busses allocated to them, and thus they are stuck into this massive overcrowding followed by nearly empty runs off of rush hour. This is an even greater disparity than most routes, which at least see some ridership off peak. Lucy would be far better served by a pool of SEPTA vehicles operating on it when there is demand, with two eldorados for off-peak service.
A few years ago, the 751 had alternate routings mid-route (one via Teaneck, the other via Bogota) - the 755 was created to cover the Bogota portion and it now runs as the 751-755.
Back in the beginning of the year, the 751/755 was extended past Bergen Mall to the University of Southern Paramus and last week, was rerouted to serve the new IKEA in Paramus.
Jim D.
The line was actually past that green garbage can before the bus pulled up. Bus 3026 was full and had to leave the remaining people at the stop
That bus was the 5pm bus and it was running very late. Fortunately the 5:30pm bus arrived right on time. No air conditioning! I joked around with another passenger how I felt "right at home" with Triboro since its kinda unreliable like LIB. But it filled up pretty quickly, and we were SRO by the time we left the Rockaways. Saw awhole bunch of Triboro buses laid up on a nearby street, you'd think they'd send some extra's in service! All buses seen were Orion V CNG's.
Fortunately there wasnt too much traffic but we bypassed 63rd Dr and went straight up Woodhaven to Queens Blvd. Actually I think that should be the routing, saves about 10-15 minutes.
Got off at Grand and took the subway from there back to Flushing.
OTOH, there were no problems with the N21 buses today.
Whoever plans on having the Q53 make stops between Rego Park and Broad Channel better add tons more service!
That bus was the 5pm bus and it was running very late. Fortunately the 5:30pm bus arrived right on time. No air conditioning! I joked around with another passenger how I felt "right at home" with Triboro since its kinda unreliable like LIB. But it filled up pretty quickly, and we were SRO by the time we left the Rockaways. Saw awhole bunch of Triboro buses laid up on a nearby street, you'd think they'd send some extra's in service! All buses seen were Orion V CNG's.
Fortunately there wasnt too much traffic but we bypassed 63rd Dr and went straight up Woodhaven to Queens Blvd. Actually I think that should be the routing, saves about 10-15 minutes.
Got off at Grand and took the subway from there back to Flushing.
OTOH, there were no problems with the N21 buses today.
Whoever plans on having the Q53 make stops between Rego Park and Broad Channel better add tons more service!
Yes, I must agree, very often, even in the early rush like the 6:40 and 7AM buses, Broad Channel passengers can't get on. Usually, as long as the lights aren't messed up, a packed to the brim bus goes from the toll plaza at the southern point of Broad Channel to the light on 63rd Drive by the LIRR ROW without stopping once. I've never heard of it just shortcutting along Woodhaven though, though that would be interesting since Queens Center is my stop. From what I've seen though, the Q53 follows its schedule fairly well (on rush hours anyway). The problem is, of course, the schedule is terrible.
As far as I know of, Triboro Coach is better then LIBus and Green Lines!! :)
Started out at 6:45pm by taking the B8; O7 7569 to Newkirk Av station, rode the Q train to Avenue J where I transfer to the B6 to head east. I see 7518 heading in the opposite direction and it sound almost exactly like a 1991 non repowered engine. Anyway I see 7523 at the bus stop so I get on and its slow at first but on Bedford Av we go 35mph until we get caught by a red light by Brooklyn college. Empty going into Nostrand Av and then thats when the people really come on but not as crowded as in the rush hours. We hit 35-40mph on Avenue H up to Utica Av and a few people get off but not too much. We continue along our route and I see 9182 heading in the opposite direction then I get off at Rockaway Parkway to ride the L shuttle bus but as it turns out, it was cancelled :-\. I see L trains on the tracks at RP so I automatically knew that was the case and from peoples reactions they looked very surprised. I just missed the B42 so I wait inside the train station until the next one arrives at 8:10pm.
While waiting I saw 9185 parked at the bus stop. I see 8919 arrive inside the roadway next to the station [on time] and its pretty hot and the windows were open. A slow but cool ride via Rockaway Parkway and I go to Seaview Av to transfer to the B17. As soon as I cross the street I see the bus arriving and I get 8899, take the front seat and then were off. So as we head up via Remsen the bus gradually gets crowded and at Flatlands Av we had a good crowd. We continue to take in more people and I just missed a O7 B8 heading west so I decide to stay on until Church Av and I missed another B8, 8564 so I was telling myself Im screwed and the B35 didnt bail me out neither b/c I would miss four, thats right 4 New Flyers in a row [this is 8:30pm BTW]. No B47 from what I see so it seemed hopeless but then to my shock, a 3rd B8 was arriving on Church Av 5 minutes later so I go across Remsen Av and 5236 on the B17 heading south was packed. So I get on 4645, the B/O is average then slows up at times but I was enjoying the nice weather then I got off and headed home. I MAY take a trip to the Bronx tomorrow to ride some of the West Farms buses and then ride the new M101 LTD weekend service.
Orion VII 7569 B8
R68 2808 (Q)
RTS 7523 B6
RTS 8919 B42
RTS 8899 B17
RTS 4645 B8
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Met up with Chris around 11:50 and we were going to head into DC around Union Station. We were going to take one of the C buses to Langley Park and go from there. The C2, Repowered 9629 and C4, 4373 pulled in at the same time. We decided for the C4, but both buses played leapfrog along University Blvd. until we got off at Langley Park. Both buses were pretty full. Walked up to New Hampshire Avenue and had to wait awhile for a K6. We saw a bunch of Ride Ons on the 15, 16 and 17 while we were waiting. Finally, 2136 pulled up and we took that to Fort Totten. Walked to the 80 stop where New Flyer 2365 pulled up a few minutes later. That driver was flying! We made an intersting left turn from Michigan Avenue onto North Capital Street. Apparently, this driver didn't have to follow the rules of the road because instead of waiting to turn left in the left turn only lane like everyone else was, we stayed in the through lane and cut everyone off and made the left. When we got off near Union Station, I was about to go down the stairs to get from the back of the bus to the back door when the driver slammed the brakes on and I almost took a header. Chris held on for dear life and I grabbed hold of the bars.
Along the way, we saw 8766 running on one of the 90 lines down Florida Avenue. Its unusual to see such an old bus running on a Saturday. The 96 was using a variety of buses from 8900 to 9815, which was tagged all over the outside back.
After lunch, we took 2384 on the D6 to Farragut Square and were going to take the 38B to Ballston, drop off something at my apt. then head down to Landmark. The 3:45 38B never showed and then I got a phone call that ended the fun. Unfortunately, Pam called me that her brother and his girlfriend were mugged and slashed by these two punks that had box cutters where they live in L.A and had some money that we sent that we had earmarked for our wedding, but I agreed to send them to help them out of a finanical bind stolen. I had to cut our trip short and took the Metro to Pentagon City to calm Pam down since she was hysterical at work. Life goes on though.
I'm looking forward to taking another busfan trip in the near future. Thanks to Chris for being understanding that I had to bolt so quickly. Hopefully, he had fun the rest of the afternoon.
Saw 4309 at Friendship heights............LOL
I at least hope you went over to the old 27 stop and paused for a moment of silence out of respect for such a great Ride-On route.
We did have a lot of fun, though. It was kind of a free for all with no actual plans of what routes we were riding. We had been thinking of going to Landmark to see if you were there, but due to the 38B not showing and me having to leave, that didn't happen.
Question: Do they still use the 1993 Orions for some express buses like the X13, 18 & 20? Thanks in advance.
Incognito
My commute in both the morning and afternoon was not out of the ordinary. 5615 was on the 37 where it belongs in the morning. I also then found out Patricia isn't driving my run next pick (Chris, if you find out what she is doing, let me know, it be greatly appreciated). In the afternoon, the 38 was late getting into White Flint because of traffic on Montrose and we got passed by an 81. Took the Red Line and got to Friendship Heights just after the bus that does 2 of the 3 afternoon 27s from Friendship Heights came off the 29. In case any of you were wondering, that is how I found out the bus number before riding. I walked home, dropped off my stuff, changed, and then got ready for the funeral.
I walked to Friendship Heights and got there just minutes before 5173 came off the last full southbound 27 run. I photographed the bus as it entered the station and then went to buy a bottle of water from the store near the even 30 stop. I then went to the 27 stop to wait for the trip and people to show up. At 5:50 WES showed up but no one else showed up before 6 when the bus left. There were 4 people on board at this point: WES, myself, and two of the ladies who rode on Thursday and didn't realize yesterday was the last run (one told me as she got on the bus yesterday "I thought you said yesterday was the last day"), and this "character" WES refered to in a post last night. More on him in a moment.
We left on time and I was talking with WES and one of the ladies when this guy, in the back of the bus, just loudly jumps in the conversation as I explained the service change to this rather clueless lady. He announces that today was the last day (as if we had no idea) and then started on how the 33 was being extended. Needless to say, in a matter of moments, he realized I knew far more than he did. We went along Willard Avenue and River Road and then turned on to Little Falls Parkway. I pointed out the now eliminated stops (but they are still standing) as we went by. We then went up Arlington Road on the part to be served by the 36. We let off one lady at the Citgo station and then slowly went up Arlington Road to Bethesda. There we let off the other lady and the guy wihtout mentioning BusTalk; we decided he wasn't exactly the type we would want to invite to join the board. The funniest thing was he said he was going to go ride the 32 out to Woodrock to try it out although I don't know if he understood my warning not to do it, since there is no return service! We then picked up two people at Bethesda who seemed to be regular riders and proceeded on.
I pointed out the RedBox at McDonald's to WES as we went by it. When did they put in the one at White Flint? Anyway, I told WES to hold on for the speed bumps and the El Dorado, a not so great combination. But our driver went very slowly so it was not too bad. We let off the two passengers in East Bethesda without ever talking to them, and then it was just WES, the driver, and I all the way to Medical Center. We arrived at Medical Center a few minutes late, but the driver left up the 27 MEDICAL CENTER sign just long enough for me to get a picture. He then loaded up for a 30 trip to Bethesda and left. WES and I talked for a bit while I waited for a Bethesda bound bus. Eventually Orion I 5541 pulled up on the 42. For some reason, no J2s or J3s came because what I wanted to do was take that or the 34 (which I knew wouldn't come) to Bethesda and then walk home from there. The 42 actually had 7 people on it as we went down Woodmont Avenue (I saw another today from my bike which had more people on it than I normally see). I took that to my street and walked home. WES went and took the Metro back to Addison Road and then I assume he took the F14. He mentioned taking other buses earlier in the day but he can elaborate on that on his own.
For those of you who missed out, I am afraid you will be waiting a long time for the next 27 bus. Sorry.
And now the 27 drives off into the Ride-On history books...
Pictues to come soon.
Joe Butler
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
~Words of a teenage Basman - SEPTA may be horrible, but it's still my home system...
(I like Ride-On much more than SEPTA, though- Orions rule!)
Ray
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
BIG AL
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
BIG AL
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
BIG AL
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
BIG AL
The two-tone blue started in, I think, late 1971.
The blue with white top started in early 1979.
Now for some ancient history:
Before the fishbowls in 1959, the old looks were either dark green bottom. with a silver or jade green top. Almost all had the jade green, but a few silver ones were still floating around.
Jim D.
Wayne
On a separate note, the FTC still has along way to go! The Bridge St. "head-house" is being rebuilt and the multi-level parking garage
hasn't even been started! There is fencing and dirt along Frankford Av., from Bridge St. to Pratt St. Looks like late 2004 and everything will be done. I really like the flow of the buses around the new terminal, though. It's a big improvement.
Chuck Greene
Also, I have found Martz to Scranton, then Capitol to Elmira.
Any of these routes better? There's only a few minutes to switch in Binghamton(15-20 min), is that enough time? They're all the same price. Also, if there is anything else, like, a direct or a one transfer only bus from Danbury, Ct to Elmira, Ny, please tell me.
Ithaca has a single bus station, so you can take whichever bus best meets your schedule and wallet.
If you go through Ithaca, an option that might save a few dollars is to take one of Chemung County Transit's regional commuter routes, with fares of $4 or less. Unfortunately, the maps aren't very detailed, so it's hard to tell where exactly the buses stop in Ithaca, but you could call and ask. ShortLine buses will drop you off in a few spots on the Cornell campus, if that helps. After you call, post again with a list of Ithaca stops and I'll try to direct you to the easiest transfer. (Will you have a lot of luggage?)
That must be because of the transfers. But the actual time spent on the bus is shorter, right? Or no?
Option 1: on the bus for 5 hr 15 min
Martz to Scranton
Capitol to Elmira
Option 2: on the bus for 4 hr 55 min
Greyhand and Shortline via Binghamton
Option 1: on the bus for 5 hr 15 min
Martz to Scranton
Capitol to Elmira
Option 2: on the bus for 4 hr 55 min
Greyhound and Shortline via Binghamton
You're right - the original Orion I's and TMC Citycruisers were 30-footers, and the design was later stretched to produce the 35-foot, 36-foot and 40-foot versions. To me, it's still weird to see a 40-foot Orion I.
Interestingly, the Gillig Phantom represents another 'stretched' design - the original version was a 35-footer, and it was 'shrunk' and 'stretched' a few years later to produce the 30-foot and 40-foot models.
Jim D.
Chuck Greene
Another group of "Baby" SEPTA buses were the 1153-1156 GM Fishbowls, built in 1969. These buses also were based a Luzerne. They just "disappeared" in the late 70's, or early 80's. I always wondered what were their fate. Did SEPTA sell them at the time?, I never seen them past 1975.
According to 'The Bus World Encyclopedia of Buses', there were 510 of the 29-foot 'baby New Look' buses built between 1969 and 1974.
Jim D.
David
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
I wouldn't say that they are greedy, they DO need them ;-). Kingsbridge recieved 8867-8878 [then some buses up to 8898; all of them may have been transferred by now] in return for those Artics. Now the 1996's are being transferred for what it looks like the 1993 Orions. I too wonder whether the Bx5 & 39 for example really needs a 100% Artic fleet....
Bx5 and Bx39 can get packed, and they should also run 24/7
Q:Didn't the Bx5 used ot have late night service btw Story Av/WPR & West Farms Rd?
Peace
David
I've been pondering and here are some routes that should be considered for artics. Maybe when the NYCDOT is taken over by the MTA, it could happen.....who knows!!!!
This is my opinion:
Q7, Q10, Q11 (I'm not sure about Howard Beach), Q19, Q21, Q22, Q25, Q34 (maybe), Q53 (maybe if they get artic suburbans), Q60 (DEFINITELY!!!), Q65, Q66, Q110, Q111 and Q113!
What do you guys think?
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
You could run a Ford Focus on the Q34 and still have plenty of standing room.
Heh.
In the afternoon: I'm at Times Square heading back to the station, and I notice the following buses on the M104 and M6: 5188, 8792, and 8801 on the M104, and 9038 on the M6, wearing MJQ decals. I think then that the major transfers have begun, with routes like the M6, M8, and M14 moving up to MJQ and the M104 to MV.
Early evening: I'm moseying around WF and see that its nearly fully operational, with a lot of buses from GH (mainly repowers and a few 9200s) and AMS (400s and 6000s) on the lanes. The sidewalk was still blocked, so I couldn't get a closer look. But I figure that, for all intents and purposes, this is proof that AMS's operating days are numbered.
Question: Can I expect to see an RTS on the M100 tomorrow morning?
Haven't seen anything from 100th Street on the M86 yet:
Wait a minute. Do you see what I see? Get this, cdta: the city is now assigning lighting fixtures to depots! How do you think the depots schedule which lighting fixtures go out first? Are there any quality control streetlights?
Peace
David
NO O6's ON THIS LINE!! M104 IS BAD AS IT IS!! :)
TODAY was a journey. I sptted out my window various Bx19 buses (#449, 6076, 8035, etc...) and walked over to 3rd Ave/149th St and back to see what was there and to get the Sunday paper. My friend and I walked up to Hunts Point from 149th St, meeting up with a dispatcher there. We sat for about a half hour watching the buses go by. On the Bx19 there was buses like #9131, 8035, 8055, 426, 457, 6057, 6058, 6103, 6104, etc... On the Bx6, we spotted 6078, 6082, 9113, and a few others.
After the little hangout, we then took the Bx19 (1999 Orion V #6057) up to 174th St and proceeded up Boston Road to East Tremont Avenue. Along the way, we spotted two 1999 Orion Vs on the Bx11 line. Walking up Boston Road, we spotted a repainted Nova on the Bx21 (#9129) and two Orion Vs on the Bx36. Walked over to the West Farms garage to give my friend a close-up look at the garage. We spotted a host of buses here this time, including the following: #406, 408, 409, 442, 6069, 6100, 4451, 4453, 4609, 8080, 8089, 8069, 7544, 7550, 7542, 7559, 6075, 6085, 449, 8195, 8197, and the three Orion VII CNGs: 7562, 7564, and the third one I found out was #7575, all along the northern wall of the garage. We then got something to eat and before getting on the bus again, we spotted a host of Orion Vs on the Bx36, such as #423, 6076, and 6092. There were a small number of RTS's on that line and the Bx21.
We then rode the Bx21 bus (1999 Orion V #6067) down Boston Road, my friend getting off at 149th St, and myself staying on until 128th St. Missed #441 on the Bx15, but then caught #9114 on the Bx15 down to 125th St/Amsterdam Av. On the way, spotted the following: D60HF #5640 in the 128th St lot with a few Remans and 563x-series artics; Orion Vs on the M60 for the first time EVER...including 6017, 6031, and 6036; #5555 on the M103, a few artics on the M101, including #1017, 1021, 5546, and 5580; #9512 and some other MV Novas on the M11; #8801 and a number of MV Novas on the M104, #8777 on the M10, and a bunch of 8800s and 9600s on the M100 for the first time in years, including #8862, 8865, and 9685.
After this whole charade, I jumped on #5580 on the M101 and proceeded down to the new 100th St garage to view the action there...as one would think, there was some arti bunching on Lexington Av near 99th St and 124th St, looked down 3rd Avenue and saw some artic bunching at around 103-106th Sts, and then proceeded down to 96th St to see some MV action on the M96 and for some artic action on 2nd and 3rd Avs. The M15 was like half-and-half; RTS and articulateds. I spotted 8486 and 8469 on the M15, along with a few 5600-series artics.
Went over to 1st Avenue to ride the first bus uptown, which was 8469, which was then bypassed by #5631 (DRAT!) and surpassed all the way up to 125th St, where my bus caught up with it. Got off and tried to catch #8081 on the Bx15, but the driver just looked and then drove off! Even when his bus wasn't crowded and there was a WC (wheelchair) passenger coming. After that bus left, two Bx15s had come, the first one an Orion (#6099?) and the second one an RTS (#8180). Jumped on #8180, since the Orion was picking up the WC. Rode up to 3rd Av/149th to anticipate a ride on an RTS on the Bx19. WISH GRANTED! Though it was a repowered RTS, it was still acceptable on an otherwise Orion line. #8082 was my bus, i think. but I rode it home, and was contempt with it. Three RTS's in a row on formerly non-RTS routes (M15, Bx15, Bx19) was a charm.
AND THUS CONCLUDES MY WEEKEND!
AND HERE ARE THE PICS (click on the thumbnails to view full image):
ENJOY!!!
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Incognito
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Incognito
Q17 Bus Stop at Main St
Q17 Bus Stop at Union Turnpike
Q17 Route Map
Started out at 1pm by taking the Q train from my stop, rode a R40 slant on the weekend to Atlantic Av to get off and catch the 4 train. 4 trains were running on the local track to/from Atlantic Av in both directions due to platform work in the express platform. So I see it and I just made it so I hop into the R62 and ride it via Lexington Av express [and it was fast!] to 59 St to transfer to the buses; where the adventure begins. So its 1:50 & theres a notice at the 60 St stop saying buses wont stop there so as a precaution, I walk back to the 58 St stop but there is NONE so I have to walk back to 55 St :-\. About 10 minutes later I finally see a M103; and its a Artic 8-). I get on 1014 and we pull out and at the next stop we get a W/C and then we find out that theres a street fair on 3 Av from 66-86 St so we were getting detoured. A alert cop saw the bus and let us go to E 67 St and make the left there (we SAVED some time there) and we ran via Park Av nonstop to 86 St and 3 Av and I see that the M79 and M86 is still Artic routes and BOTH are in Quill. We resume the regular route and I see a couple of NYBS Classics on the express routes and I see the brand new 100 St building and its looking good! The 101 passes us at 103 St so I was hoping the B/O would catch up to it at E 106 St and sure enough we did and I get on 5547 and we make LTD stops on 3 Av and on 125 St we didnt make too many stops and saw RTSs on the Bx15 for the first time in a while and Orions on the M60 (as it would be the case for some other routes or having Orions on some. So then we turn onto Amsterdam Av and I see the Amsterdam bus depot is SHUT DOWN, GATES COVERING THE FORMER ENTRANCES/EXITS :-( Got off at 145 St to transfer to the Bx19.
I wait a few minutes until 440 arrives so then it gets filled up as we move east but I get a seat so its all good. As we continue the bus would get filled up, nearly crush loaded and new depot, same problems; Im speaking of bunching in this case. We head over the 145 St bridge and its a nice stretch running on 149 St after departing Grand Concourse until 3 Av where we get even more passengers then a few stops later we got a W/C and the lift gets stuck for a couple of minutes and I notice that its pretty rusty where the flap is. Then when thats done, we head up via Southern and I see many buses [mainly 1991 TMCs & Orion Vs]. I get off at 167 St to catch the Bx11 but I just missed that along with the Bx35 so I was bus spotting and I see the Bx27 is also part of WF now but the rest of the routes and buses Ill save for later. At first I thought the 35 was in GH completely but then riding the 35; after there was no 11 and didnt feel like waiting; I see former AMS bus 429 heading in the opposite direction so I knew that was in WF too. Felt kind of odd having a O5 but hey I certainly enjoyed all of the new changes :-D. At the GW Bridge it was slow going into Manhattan as usual and it took 11 minutes to cross the bridge and then it was a pure mess on 181 St and there was a street festival north of 181 on St. Nick Av. We finally reach Wadsworth Av at 4:46pm and I walk around the area to find a place to eat some food but the lines were WAY TOO LONG at Burger King and McDonalds so I said forget it and bought some snacks instead. So now I wait for the 11 to head back to the Bronx but then all of a sudden it seemed to pull a disappearing act and it was over 20 minutes and that shit got me real frustrated! >:-0 NO 11 came in over 30 minutes now and there were numerous Bx3s and a few 36s but there was no way I was taking that. So I take a RT on the 35 by getting on 8039 at 5:22pm and the traffic is bad and by Amsterdam Av its a bottleneck and I see two M101 Artics heading south. We run over the bridge and its a fast starter and was jam packed until Webster Av where people started to get off as we went along East 168/169 Sts and I get off at Boston Rd to get the Bx21.
I wait a few minutes until 8056 come in the stop then its a very quick ride via Boston Rd and at E Tremont Av this stupid ass bus in the front makes us miss two lights and I see the Q44 and I was hoping I wouldnt miss it. So there was a crowd so I was safe and I hop on 279 and the climate inside was good and noticed a Traffic Checker was on board. Passed by the new West Farms depot and its dominated by 1991 TMCs, 1995 Orion Vs and noticed 1996 Novas there as well but no sign of the C40LFs (as people have seen near the depot). Its standing room only and I see the Bx4 is still running Artics so it remained in GH, along with the Bx5 when I saw it back by WF Rd. had a W/C [the 3rd one in my bus trip] and thats all done, we resume our trip via the Cross Bronx Expwy. So then we stopped at Lafayette Av then we headed over the Whitestone bridge and we remained at 30mph for about 2/5 of the trip over the crossing until we finally hit 40-45mph for the rest of it and just missed the 14 Av light :-P. We begin the LTD portion now after 14/Parsons and its pretty quick and all is well until arriving at Main St station where a good portion of the crowd got off and there was another 44 in front of us, 304. I observed the Q17 bus stop and it already has the Q17 LTD so its getting ready for its first trips tomorrow! Its a nice ride on the 44 via Main St and later on we bypass Q20A 300, and would also bypass 304 from time to time. So anyway our bus gets pretty empty and we make the run down Queens Blvd then onto Hillside then a right onto Sutphin Blvd and got off at Jamaica Av to get the J train. Went downstairs and noticed that the E was only running to Union Turnpike and a shuttle was running from Union-Jamaica Center. So a R42 J rolls in and its a pretty quick ride on the Jamaica el with no problems and I decide to get off at Alabama Av for the B12 rather than take the B46 LTD at Marcy. 7:40pm & I sit on the bench in front of the 12 stop and the Alabama 12, 4987 parks in the area then a Sheridan 12, 4969 approaches the stop and theres a crowd; which I really didnt know was even there until the bus pulled up :-0. A pretty slow ride and then we miss a few lights that we should of made along the way then by Albany Av 4987 caught up and we wouldnt catch up to it :-\.
The B/O MISSED the light at Nostrand, one he should of made very easily and I get off at Bedford Av and I see the B49 coming so Im on a cold 5107 take it to Foster Av where the B8 is across the street then I get off and take 876 home. Whew, 8 hours of traveling really takes a lot of energy; and now the observations!
NOTE: THERE IS NO WEST FARMS DEPOT STICKER YET!!!!!!
Well heres what the picks most likely are (including what Ive seen):
100:M101/102/103
MJQ: M6,8,9,14,16,20,21,22,23,27,34,42,50,72,79,86,106
MCH:M1,7,30,60,98
MV:M2,3,4,5,10,11,18,96,104
WF: Bx6,8,11,14,15,17,19,21,27,31,33,35,36
KB: M100,Bx1,2,3,7,9,10,13,16,18,20,32,41
GH:Bx4,5,12,22,25/26,28,29,30,34,39,40/42,55
126:M15,31,35,57,66,116
The grocery list of buses I saw [pretty funny eh ;-)] ENJOY!
100: 1006,1013,1014,1021,1027,5543,5546,5547,5562,5571,5572,5575
MJQ: 1052,1060,8652
MCH:225,6031,6040,6043,6044,6046,6047
MV: 5177,5182,8767,9631,9634,9641,9648
WF:415,418,423,426,429,431,440,442,445,457,458,460,462,464,465,6057,6062,6071,6073,6074,6080,6081,6086,6088,6090,6091,6096,6099,6100,6101,6103,6111,6115,6116,6117
KB:1078,1103,5448,5473,5498,5505,8810-8813,8815,8826,8843,8849,8854,8865,8866,8870,8873,8884,8930,9118,9123,9133,9656,9667,9668,9672,9673,9674,9681,9685,9686
GH: 410, 5250,5274,5300,5316,5320,5399,5424,8039,8043,8055,8056,8071,8078,8083,8172,8176,8183,8185,8194,8196,8197
*=The buses in green indicate that those too are in West Farms now.
R40 4434 (Q)
R62 1391 (4)
NF Artic 1014 M103
NF Artic 5547 M101 LTD
Orion 440 Bx19
Orion 410 Bx35
RTS 8039 Bx35
RTS 8056 Bx21
Orion 279 Q44
R42 4841 (J)
RTS 4969 B12
RTS 5107 B49
NF 876 B8
Also, can I presume that 8930, 8937, 9111-9139, 402-403, 405-424, 426-451, and all Bronx Division 1990 RTS buses?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Yes, all of those are there as you mentioned. Also you have 457-470 which is also in West Farms now. ALL of the 1995 Orions and 1991 TMC's from GH are also gone although the 8200's from HP are probably there now along with the 100/200's from MCH.
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Transit photography is easy when you're the driver isn't it? We had the same style of mirrors on our '89 Gilligs at Des Moines.
-Mike
http://www.mike-stephenson.org/buses/
What are you implying? Oh you mean I was with the driver and I know the driver so he can pose the bus for me. Yeah, that rules. Thanks Trevor!!!
Thanks for looking at my photos and replying so quickly.
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The Rockland Coaches/Red & Tan Fleet Roster:
1988 MCI 96-A3 Cruiser: #1151, 1153, 1158, 1160-1161
2001 MCI D4000 "Jersey" Cruiser IV: #8454-8503
2003 MCI D4500 "Jersey" Cruiser V: #8524-8553
2003 MCI D4000 "Jersey" Cruiser IV: #8554-8555, 8781-8784, 8787, 8836-8845, 8877-8889
Transport of Rockland Roster:
1988 Orion 01.508: #RC112-RC115
1988 MCI 96-A2 Cruiser: #RC116-RC#124 (Operated by Short Line)
1995 Gillig Phantom 35': #RC130-RC135
1995 Gillig Phantom 40': #RC136-RC137
1997 MCI 102-DLW3SS Cruiser: #RC140-RC144 (Operated by Short Line)
1998 Gillig Phantom 40': #RC150-RC154
1998 Gillig Phantom 35': #RC155-RC165
Out of Service Buses:
8840 (Fire), 8879 (Accident), RC137 (Fire), RC153 (Accident)
Notes:
RC155-RC156 are operated by Short Line due to the fact that Short Line has two runs on the 93 Line. The Operated by Short Line MCI Cruisers are those used on the Tappan Zee Express Lines TZX1, TZX2 and TZX5.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Rockland Coaches Operator
5/5A Bruckner Blvd
7 Boston Road
8 Williamsbridge Road
9 Eastchester Road
12 Fordham-City Island
13 Castle Hill
14 Edenwald Avenue
15 Gun Hill Road
15A Hillside Homes
16 Webster Avenue
17 Allerton Avenue
18 Macomb's Road
22 Country Club
23 Crosby-Layton
40 Tremont Avenue
49 Highbridge
Amsterdam Depot
30 149 Street Crosstown
100 Broadway-Kingsbridge
104 Broadway
12 Street Depot
12 Spring & Delancy Streets
14A 14 Street Crosstown via Avenue A
14D 14 Street Crosstown via Avenue D
More to Follow
Wayne
7 now the Bx21, or the Bx30?
9 now the Bx31?
13 now the Bx22?
15 now the Bx28?
16 now the Bx41?
17 now the Bx26/25?
22 now the Bx14?
23 merged with the 8 to form the current day Bx8?
30 now the Bx19?
100 now the M100 and the Bx7?
Also, is the 14 now the Bx16, or discontinued? And also, when were the 5A, 12, and 49 discontinued? Thanks in advance.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
OLD NEW
Bx3 Bx17 - South term extended from 138/Jackson to 132/Walnut
Bx4 Bx34
Bx6 Bx30 - North term extended from Boston/Corsa to Co-Op City
Bx7 Discontinued
Bx9 Bx31
Bx10 Bx7
Bx13 Bx22
Bx14 Bx16 Merged with old Bx16
Bx15 Bx28
Bx17 Bx26
Bx20 Bx9
Bx22 Bx14
Bx24 Discontinued
Bx25 Bx32
Bx26 Bx21
Bx28 Bx39
Bx29 Bx15
Bx30 Bx19 Old Bx30/Bx31 combined
Bx31 Bx19 Old Bx30/Bx31 combined
Bx32 Discontinued
Bx34 Bx6
Bx37 Bx13
Bx38 Bx3
Bx42 Bx4
Bx54 Discontinued
At this time many of these routes also switched depots. This is also when the old West Farms closed and Walnut became a regular depot.
* - Not to be confused with the newly opened West Farms (constructed on the site of the old Coliseum) The old West Farms depot is actually located at Boston Road at 175th Street.
Wayne
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Wayne
Wayne
BIG AL
Don't worry about the NY-centric MTA-Nazis around here, they're just cranky, winter is coming. Just think of the misery we'll all be in in January when it's friggin 20 degrees with only a coating of snow (the worst kind, no fun, yet it still will make your feet freeze) and you're out on the left coast where it's 65 and beautiful. Heck even in the summer LA's got NY beat, it may be 10-20 degrees hotter, but it's a dry heat, none of this Humidity BS.
On the subject of the confusion, is anyone really all that inconvenienced by having to click on a post not knowing the exact system the post refers to? Sure this NYCsubway.org, but to declare that NYCTA will be the one and only MTA that does not have to have the NY added is purely insane! Nothing like putting off people from other cities (the exact thing bustalk needs, let's get people from Mississauga, St Louis and other places in here talking about busses).
To complain about confusion over the system talked about in the post featuring a picture of a bus of said system is so utterly moronic as to border on a symptom of mental deficiency. Were you unclear as to whether the big yellow and white Neoplan 40 footer under the palm trees was NY or not? Theres a friggin picture for chrissakes, how much clearer can you get? Were you somehow inconvenienanced by having to open the post and look at some truely well done bus shots? And who cares if you were confused while the picture was downloading or Aiyee (or if you're smart, Opera) was opening the post? The point is that now you are no longer confused by the ambiguity of the thread title, unless you don't recognize the scheme the bus is in, in which case, ask, nicely, what it is.
Now in the case of a post such as CCLocal's post (sorry for picking on you CC, it was just what was closest) at the top of this thread, is the perfect example of one that needs clarifying with NY, LA, Houston, Baltimore or whatever. Not only is the system completely ambiguous, but there is no concrete verifier to eliminate the confusion, such as a picture. The entire subject is abstract, left up to the reader to interpret as they may. Should the next poster (let's call him Sam from Houston) be from Houston he or she might easily assume this refers to their system, which may be nice enough to offer depot tours to busfans (and soon to be railfans) who show up at the depot gates and find the supervisor, so long as they sign in to say they were there, there is no issue. If Sam from Houston responds that yes, the MTA does offer depot tours as outlined above, CCLocal is liable to get himself in a world of legal trouble when he goes wandering into Jackie Gleason looking for the supervisor. In such a case the poster, no matter if they're refering to NYMTA, LAMTA, HMTA, BMTA, or whomever, would be doing a disservice to the entire bustalk community, especially those people from outside the NYC area not affected by the whims of the MTA, if they did not supply something to verify the system they were refering to.
Don't worry about the NY-centric MTA-Nazis around here, they're just cranky, winter is coming. Just think of the misery we'll all be in in January when it's friggin 20 degrees with only a coating of snow (the worst kind, no fun, yet it still will make your feet freeze) and you're out on the left coast where it's 65 and beautiful. Heck even in the summer LA's got NY beat, it may be 10-20 degrees hotter, but it's a dry heat, none of this Humidity BS.
On the subject of the confusion, is anyone really all that inconvenienced by having to click on a post not knowing the exact system the post refers to? Sure this NYCsubway.org, but to declare that NYCTA will be the one and only MTA that does not have to have the NY added is purely insane! Nothing like putting off people from other cities (the exact thing bustalk needs, let's get people from Mississauga, St Louis, Fresno, Calgary, Scranton, Raleigh-Durham and other places in here talking about busses).
To complain about confusion over the system talked about in the post featuring a picture of a bus of said system is so utterly moronic as to border on a symptom of mental deficiency. Were you unclear as to whether the big yellow and white Neoplan 40 footer under the palm trees was NY or not? Theres a friggin picture for chrissakes, how much clearer can you get? Were you somehow inconvenienanced by having to open the post and look at some truely well done bus shots? And who cares if you were confused while the picture was downloading or Aiyee (or if you're smart, Opera) was opening the post? The point is that now you are no longer confused by the ambiguity of the thread title, unless you don't recognize the scheme the bus is in, in which case, ask, nicely, what it is.
Now in the case of a post such as CCLocal's post (sorry for picking on you CC, it was just what was closest) at the top of this thread, is the perfect example of one that needs clarifying with NY, LA, Houston, Baltimore or whatever. Not only is the system completely ambiguous, but there is no concrete verifier to eliminate the confusion, such as a picture. The entire subject is abstract, left up to the reader to interpret as they may. Should the next poster (let's call him Sam from Houston) be from Houston he or she might easily assume this refers to their system, which may be nice enough to offer depot tours to busfans (and soon to be railfans) who show up at the depot gates and find the supervisor, so long as they sign in to say they were there, there is no issue. If Sam from Houston responds that yes, the MTA does offer depot tours as outlined above, CCLocal is liable to get himself in a world of legal trouble when he goes wandering into Jackie Gleason looking for the supervisor. In such a case the poster, no matter if they're refering to NYMTA, LAMTA, HMTA, BMTA, or whomever, would be doing a disservice to the entire bustalk community, especially those people from outside the NYC area not affected by the whims of the MTA, if they did not supply something to verify the system they were refering to.
What do you think?
SEPTA
WMATA
*MUNI
Baltimore MTA
NJT
Westchester BeeLine
Boston (MBTA):
60-foot CNG artics now arriving
Trackless trolleys due to arrive later this year
'Dual mode' diesel-trackless buses due to arrive in 2004
40-foot diesel buses due to arrive 2004-05
35-foot diesel buses due to arrive 2004-05
Boston (Paul Revere Transportation):
40-foot diesel buses for MASCO shuttle service
Jim D.
Jim D.
Here are a couple pictures of those from my website:
The Massport buses have underfloor tanks.
JD
I think only Orion would have the CNG tanks installed on the roof...
Roof-mounted tanks are the rule ... NovaBus, New Flyer and NABI CNG buses also typically feature roof-mounted tanks.
Also, the new Neoplan artics in Boston have roof-mounted tanks.
Jim D.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The housing is over both sections. There is a sort of flexible coupling that can be seen right over the articulation - I'm assuming that the tanks are over the front section, and the coupling carries the fuel lines to the engine in the rear section.
JD
Perhaps, but Command and Triboro in the NYC area and Centro in Syracuse (among others) have standard high-floor Nova RTS buses with roof-mounted CNG tanks.
Jim D.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
NEOPLANS 4EVR!
Chuck Greene
Neoplan can spec one that way! Problem is, the NABI artics have a harder time turning than the Neo/New Flyer artics.
What year are MUNI's AN460s? Yeah, the DD50s are huge, so the seats have to be higher. This is the case on SEPTA's New Flyers as well, I'm not sure about the NABIs though. It's also the reason WMATA's Orions don't have that middle seat, I believe, and the same way with the Ride-On Orions, at least the ones with DD50s (not the M11s).
I'm not sure what the ISM is, it is the former M11? I rode a WMATA Neoplan once on the 71, but I don't quite remember the idling sound...I think it was kinda similiar to the SEPTA Neo artics because of the little "pitched sound".
For the look of MUNI's artics, it's a shame they look that way. I mean, they are basically silver buses, right? A lot of paint must've gone into that, and I think they are newer than SEPTA's artics, but only slightly older than WMATAs...it's hard to tell, since MUNI only recently started using digital signs, right?
I notice the idling sound when I was doing some recording. Basically, it is not easily heard as I put my mic near the holes in the gap between the back seat and the rear wall. As for the pitch sound, I think SEPTA 7154 had the loudest sound?....
Also the Q32 was the M32, same line.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The Q44B was part of a family of routes created by the old North Shore Bus Company as part of a "franchise-piggyback" scheme. Basically, North Shore and other companies would create a totally new route but call it a branch of an existing route in order to avoid going through the whole franchise review process. Hence routes like the Q44A and Q44B, which were completely unrelated to the Q44.
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[If it's still running, what's its route number now?]
The Q44B was killed during the late 1980's. If it had survived, it would have become the Q71.
I would never board one of those vans, chiefly because I doubt that they have adequate insurance. If you suffered an injury in one of these vans, good luck finding someone who will pay your bills.
Jim D.
I was listening on CBS radio this morning about how exhaust from the diesel engines is causing ashma in that area. I did a search on the net and found out an activist group that is doing something about it instead of sitting still.
http://www.weact.org/pressadvisories/2003_Aug_27.html
And you guys are still against the second avenue Light rail?
Here's the trivial question for today.
1. How many TONS of exhaust does a light rail dump into the community?
a. 2 tons
b. 1 ton
c. None.
Answer. NONE.
It won't happen becuase it makes too much sense. It's easier to dump these problems on the Harlem comunity. You do know why right?
There has been opposition to this line of reasoning posted on this board some weeks ago. Basically having to do with accusations that people were complaining too much, that the depots used to be trolley depots, and other things of such nature.
Personally, I do think that six in one neighborhood is too much. But I also think that take away the race factor, this would be a classic NIMBY situation. Why? Well, when word got out a couple of years ago that the MTA was making extensive purchases of diesel powered buses, there was opposition downtown just to the very idea. Seeing that, and taking a wild guess as to the situation in and around QV depot (which was once a bakery), I'd say that Harlem's predicament is more of circumstance and bad planning than anything else.
Case in point: as of yesterday, when HP closed (and for good reason), nearly all of lower Manhattan's routes are now MJQ's responibility. That includes five crosstown lines (and their auxillaries,) the M6, the M20, and the M22. Routes that are geographically closer to MJQ, like the M31, M57, and M66, are stuck up at 126th, of which more than half of its operations are dedicated solely towards the M15, which at last check was one of the busiest runs on this continent! And as such, ought to be a subway (Hello? SAS anyone?)
This goes along with other things that could make some of Harlem's other depots redundant, particularly AMS (all of its buses getting moved up to WF), MCH (don't know how other than its getting low floor hybrids), and KB (Bronx division, and is really more a part of Inwood/NW Bronx than anywhere else.)
That's my 5 cents on the issue.
If NYCT were to close some of its depots without replacing them, NYCT would have to reduce bus service. Then you'd come right back here and complain that the buses are too crowded.
This is not going to be an issue that will be resolved easily or anytime within this decade. But it could get more vociferous.
David
Where have you been? The "new" 100th Street Depot has been under re-construction for several years, and Amsterdam has just closed.
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[I guess they don't care since it's a poor minority community and we wouldn't want to put this station on the westside where the rich folks live.]
Thing 1. Check your history. That site was a depot over 100 years ago, when the area was wealthy white suburban farmland! Ditto for Amsterdam, which started operation in 1882.
Thing 2. Check more of your history. There are fewer buses in 100th Street now than before the old building closed for reconstruction.
Thing 3. Contact the professional NIMBY's and have them tell you about the clean diesel fuel technology which reduces toxic particulate emissions by over 95%. They won't, of course, because htat information doesn't agree with their agenda.
Thing 4. Contact the professional NIMBY's and have them produce research that finds BOTH a causal relationship between bus emissions and athsma AND the absence of a causal relationship between auto emissions and athsma. They will reluctantly admit that no such research exists.
Thing 5. What other location do you suggest? Specifically, what other site in upper Manhattan, zoned for manufacturing, is BOTH large enough AND available for immediate occupancy? Please be specific, with costs for acquisition and conversion to bus operation.
I'm sure if the population in Harlem were white and affluent, the problems of zoning, costs and conversions would dissapear in a New York minute.
The fact is nothing is going to happen. Thousands of minorities will die from ashma and not a thing will be done about it. It's important to keep these bus stations up there with all those toxic fumes. The people there are black and hispanic and putting these buses in a white neighborhood would quite frankly, cause too much suffering. We don't want to see white people suffering now do we? It's better that blacks have to suffer since they have medicade right?
FOLKS! Zoning is nothing more than a piece of paper. Money is nothing more than paper. We are talking life and death here. Our nation is spending billions fighting a war overseas but we can't build a bus depot? COME ON!
I lived next to a bus depot and can tell you first hand the breathing problems (ashma) which afficted my entire family. The only way I excaped this problem was to move. I certainly don't need a study to prove what that station was doing to our overall health.
Are you expecting the community in Harlem to come up with a study to prove the dangers of these stations? You're joking right? A study like this would get tossed out in court the first day it's presented. Furthermore, I'm sure the MTA would come out with some study saying that bus exhaust is actually good for black children. Yes folks. Bus exhaust is loaded with minerals needed for healthy growth.
In the Bronx and parts of Manhattan (as well as the rest of the city) there are a number of industrial development parks slated for future development. Bathgate, Zerega, and College Point are examples. Nearly all of these parks, especially the three mentioned, are now built up, the last two of which are in areas where there are persons of color. One, Zerega, has one of two MTA CMFs for buses (the other being at ENY slated to move over to Maspeth as soon as its done.) I'm too young to know what the situation was that led to their being set aside, outside of being a lure for light-to-heavy industries for NYC economic development. My guess was that: a) it came out of NYC's fiscal crisis, and b) there wasn't much of a fight put up by politicos in these areas to get these industrial parks - even though then it may have been demonstrated that poor health care and high emissions in sone of these areas were driving up rates of respiratory illness. My point is that there was, and still is, a serious disconnect along the line of City government, the community, and politicians, and people are realizing too late that there's a price to pay.
Back on topic, the MTA, in a bid seemingly to save dollars (and maybe pocket some change) is looking into cheap areas to place its facilities. Case in point is the Greyhound garage that is now MJQ, the bakery that is now QV, and Zerega CMF (and probably Maspeth CMF as well.) As bureaucratic as it is, health and asthma rates are probably the least of its concerns. And as the recent fare increase episode demonstrated, it is almost free to do whatever it wants save for the input of the governor (who himself does not give two cents about downstate, much more than Harlem/Washington Heights.) Meanwhile, except for WE ACT, Nos Quedamos (a Bronx group who, like WE ACT, had attempted some time ago to keep Coliseum/WF closed and get I-895 torn up) and otehr community groups, there has not been much said from many of the politicos on this issue (as least that I heard.) In fact, some have even endorsed the development of such industries in their neighborhoods in the hopes that money can finally be pumped in.
Well, as one who was in City Planning for many years, let me give you a little history. All of the city's industrial areas were industrial areas at a time when virtually everyone living around them was what we would not call "white." (Back then, Italians and Jews weren't considered quite as "white" as some others). The difference -- back then there was a lot more industry. We went from 750,000 manufacturing production jobs in 1954 to 150,000 today.
Subsequently, whites began moving to the suburbs, and what we would now call non-whites moved in. Much of the industry moved out at about the same time. Moreover, many of the bus depots were in these industrial areas since back in the day. They replaced trolley car barns in the same area. So the industry wasn't put in non-white areas. Non-whites moved in to neighborhoods with industry, much of which subsequently left
(My guess was that: a) it came out of NYC's fiscal crisis, and b) there wasn't much of a fight put up by politicos in these areas to get these industrial parks.)
Oh, there was a fight, but it was to GET the industrial parks NOT to get rid of them. A substantial share of the non-whites who arrived on in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s ended up on welfare. Many people believe that the loss of manufacturing was the reason, because manufacturing provided union jobs for those who hadn't been to college. And many people blamed the reuse of land for other things, like housing, offices, and stores, for the loss of manufacturing. To stop this, the local politicos insisted that the land be set aside for industry. Hence the industrial parks. When that didnt' work, it's been a hell of a fight to get them to change the policy. Look at the fight to get a supermarket and some stores in the "mid-Bronx industrial park."
(Even though then it may have been demonstrated that poor health care and high emissions in sone of these areas were driving up rates of respiratory illness. My point is that there was, and still is, a serious disconnect along the line of City government, the community, and politicians, and people are realizing too late that there's a price to pay.)
The price is exaggerated, but it is interesting how people turn against industry whenever some actually wants to locate there -- but are in favor of industry when none is showing up because they don't want anything else either.
Anyway, they did a comprehensive study of asthma cases by location. They found concentrations anywhere there were poor people, including places with NO industry and NO highways (another suspect) like Bed-Stuy. Why? I don't know. I do know there is a lot less industry making a lot less pollution than even 30 years ago, and there seems to be more asthma even so. I've heard it said that less housekeeping is the cause -- more dust, more dirt, more roaches. And I've heard it said that more housekeeping is the cause -- people were exposed to more in the past, so they didn't get these severe reactions.
Bottom line, I think the depots are getting a bad rap from folks who are mistaken, and those who like to make noise.
Just curious - did you live there before a transit maintenance facility was established next door? Or was the transit facility already there when your family moved in?
JD
The FACT is that NYCT's latest diesel buses (and those that are being retrofitted with the latest technology) put out but a small fraction of the pollutants the ones they replaced did, especially when low-sulphur fuel is used (as is now standard, at an additional operating cost). Another FACT is that CNG buses put out pollutants also -- some in lower concentrations than diesel buses, others in HIGHER concentrations! Yet another FACT is that CNG requires its own infrastructure at a high cost, and the buses cost more to fuel and maintain at many properties. It should also be noted that those who have lobbied against diesel buses appear to be doing so in favor of CNG AND NOTHING BUT CNG (no hybrid diesel-electric, no fuel cells, no straight electric...)! Are these people being paid off by some natural gas lobby? Makes one wonder...
Even leaving the rhetoric about diesel vs. CNG vs. other technologies aside, there are sound business reasons for having the garages where they are. For one, many of the busiest Manhattan routes are north/south, and the passenger flow is southward in the morning and northward in the afternoon. Does it make sense to put a bus garage near Peter Cooper Village (in the E. 20s) when buses heading southward from their northern terminals in the morning already are comfortably loaded or beyond by 125th Street? For another (and this was touched on by the person to whom I am responding as well as the person to whom he responded), land is much less available and much more expensive below 96th Street than above it. Ever wonder why the depots are where they are? They're there because for the most part they're either the same buildings that were trolley barns 100+ years ago, or on-site replacements for the original (trolley barn) buildings! Usually, once a decision is made that a depot is needed, a site is selected based on the land already being in public hands, or on it being a site that's not desirable to private industry. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the socioeconomic and/or racial status of the inhabitants of the neighborhood.
By the way, NYCT wants to build a bus garage in Maspeth. Any objections?
David
As I pointed out in my other post, the objections to bus depots have both a timing problem (the depots were in the neighborhood before the current residents or those of their particular group) and a "control group" problem. The rate of asthma is as high in poor neighborhoods without industry, bus depots, highways, or other likely suspects.
(The FACT is that NYCT's latest diesel buses (and those that are being retrofitted with the latest technology) put out but a small fraction of the pollutants the ones they replaced did, especially when low-sulphur fuel is used (as is now standard, at an additional operating cost).)
Here, I think you have to give the protesters their due. By raising the issue, they forced a response, and the result is a cleaner ride for everyone. Thus far, the MTA has separated the reasonable from the unreasonable objections, and steered a good course. Perhaps if the protects hadn't come, the MTA would have done the easy thing -- same old dirty engines and same old fuel.
I think the diesel engine is responsible for the "low class" image of bus transportation, which is all public transportation in most places. The new hybrids, and eventually fuel cells, may end up justifying their higher costs on the revenue side. In fact, shouldn't a hybrid last longer, since the diesel engine runs at a steady pace and the actual power comes from simpler, more durable electric motors?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
2) We can put a depot in Long Island City to serve Manhattan needs, but how do we get those buses over the bridge reliably? I'm sure that leaving an extra 20-30 minutes early will be billed to the taxpayer. Not to mention that Harlem gets very good bus service in comparison with many areas of the city.
3) CNG emits finer particulate matter than diesel, allowing its pollutants to make it farther through your system. It is a start, but CNG is by no means a panacea. The best fix is a wireless electric bus with swap out battery packs to increase range. Since it has been said that the average bus travels 190-220 miles a day, at least one swap would be needed per bus. Aren't we dealing with 3,800+ peak buses?
Of course, we can raise the fare to $2.50 or $3 to complete the program quickly.
132 Street Depot
3 Fifth & Convent/St. Nicholas
4 Fifth & Fort Washington Avenues
5 Fifth Avenue & Riverside Drive
11 Ninth & Amsterdam Avenues
54 Street Depot
6 Broadway
13 8th Street Crosstown
15 Jackson Heights
15 23 Street Crosstown
16 Elmhurts Crosstown (Queens)
16 34 Street Crosstown
20 57 Street Crosstown
21 Houston and Avenue C
103 59 Street Crosstown
106 42 Street Crosstown
Note that MaBSTOA grouped former Fifth Avenue, New York City Omnibus, and Surface Transit routes together in the depots.
Bx36#6076
Brooklyn: Later LTD service on the B6 and B46. Extension of the B82 to CI.
Manhattan: Closing of HP depot and opening of 100st depot. Some routes getting different fleet of buses. All day LTD service on M101.
Bronx: Closing of Amsterdam and Opening of West Farms depots. Some routes getting different fleet of buses.
Queens: Q17 LTD service.
SI: New S86 LTD service.
Feel free to add on any new info that you may have.
The B13 was not "created", the route was modified as an extenstion to the Graham Ave/BMT subway station and replaced the western leg of the old B18 route. Also the B13 runs on Bushwick Ave, the old B18 did not.
Did you know that the B47 was actually used previously; as the southern portion of the current B43 bus route to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza? The northern portion of the B43 (along Graham and Manhattan Aves) was assigned to a now defunct bus route, the B62. So the B47 and B62 were merged into one single bus route, the B47 (funny how the B47 and B48 parallel each other throughout 90% of the routing.)
See above ;-D and I think he knows about the old B47. Ah, the old B47 I only rode it one time back in 1994. It was a cool route but it made sense to combine it with the B62.
Believe it or Not category: The B40 actually had 3 minute headways during AM rush back in the late 80's. The old B47 had 4-5 minute headways during the same period. Interesting.
Whoa, so what on earth went wrong there especially on the B40!
Thanks for your insights.
The B54 running to Jay St again (I know it started yesterday but its the first weekday)
The B51 runs out of ENY now.
Bx33 runs on Walnut Ave, instead of Locust Ave
Q4, Q5, Q85: Earlier start time for AM inbound LTD Service
Q79: Later bus added from Floral Park
M60: One trip added, now last weekday bus from LGA leaves at 2:05 AM
Q26: Reduced AM trip (starts at 5:30 AM instead of 5 AM weekdays, still no weekend service.)
Still, Happy Birthday B47.
As you said, at least its not a long term move unlike what the Brooklyn depots; which had to deal with junk RTS's for quite some time, especially Fresh Pond. I know its pure sadness just looking at them and their condition (the 47/4800's), makes ya want to cry eh ;-D.
Well, that's my rant/comment on this;-)
I missed the era of extravagantly painted New Looks and such (my new look experience were the WMATA Flxible New Looks back in the day when Flxible Metros were the new buses). I did catch SEPTA with the grey stripe on their buses, although I guess that wasn't much, but better than the high stripe and all white scheme (the Neoplans in the old scheme had a silvery tint, did you ever notice that?).
How would it be illegal to take photographs of anything from public property? It is public property!!!!!!!!
I would love to get some shots...and not have to risk a police altercation.
How can you guarantee at any time or place that the police will not question you? They are the police!!!!!!
Summary: You can take any photos you want from public property where there are no signs saying otherwise. A cop can and may stop you at any time in your life, so make sure you are always wearing your adult security diapers. NOW GET OUT THERE AND TAKE SOME BUS PHOTOS ALREADY!!! ENOUGH TALK!!! LET'S SEE SOME RESULTS!!!!
My experience has been that you occasionally get questioned by befuddled passers-by (who have no idea why anyone would want to take a picture of a bus) or by transit employees who are paranoid. Don't be confrontational, but know that if bus drivers or inspectors try to tell you that you cannot take photographs on a public street, they are full of it.
Jim D.
Wayne
Today I saw 4051 on the F1(more loaners to Landover $#*&@). I also saw 9602 repowered rolling up R. I. Avenue towards Maryland, not sure if this was on a route or not. In the afternoon saw what looked to be 4330 heading down Shirley Highway and also 8826(Southern) on an N route. On Eye street I don't know what was happening on K Street, but the 80 was rerouted to Eye Street and the G8 which turns down 18th Street, kept going straight on Eye street. Other than traffic lights being off in downtown and traffic problems, everything else was normal.
Yes, I also see many of the 43/4400 w/suburban seating on the B11. Lately the B11 has been a mixed bag. I usually drive N/B on Wisconsin on my way home - and between Wisconsin and passing Silver Spring station... I get to see plenty of action.
Wayne
Wayne
DON'T SIT IN THE BACK OF 9412!
B1-#8681-TMC
B64-#9103-NOVABUS
Peace,
Kevin
Hopefully, UP will not see the 42xx buses on its streets soon, and just the Walnut original 44xx buses. (Any word on the status of 4437, 4439-4441, 4444-4446, and 4450 would be greatly appreciated.)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I was talking with my driver of the B64 today about the junk at Ulmer Park, and he said he had 4497. His blood must have boiled when I told him (and I have seen photos to this effect, but I don't remember the website) that 4497 while at Coliseum Depot, caught fire and was on the scrap line at Coliseum.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
David
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!?!?!!
Peace
David
Peace
David
BTW: Don't ask "WHY POST RUMOR" & just keep it to your self.
I smell a ATU-TWU battle brewing!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Why would Stengel NOT want any artics?
Does that mean Stengel WANTS to lose the Q44?
BIG AL
Oh well, guess everybody can't win.
Send an IM to TicoCG47, and if you don't have AIM, you can go to, obviously enough(!), http://www.AIM.com.
-Ronnie
I agree, RTS buses do look good with the black rear bumper. Problem is, then you have to paint the front bumper black to match, and that just looks terrible (check out RIPTA in Providence for example). That front bumper is way too big to be painted black.
Jim D.
100 Street Depot
6 72 Street Crosstown
17 79 Street Crosstown
18 86 Street Crosstown
19 96 Street Crosstown
101 Third-Lexington & Amsterdam Avenues
101A Third-Lexington & Lenox Avenues
107 106 Street Crosstown
146 Street Depot
1 Fourth & Madison Avenues
2A Fifth-Madison & Seventh Avenues
7 Broadway-Columbus & Lenox Avenues
10 Eighth Avenue
20 116 Street Crosstown
TB Triborough Bridge
When did the M17 move to 54th Street?
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/SeptaE60LF7401Red_Blue.txt
Nice pic. However I preferred to see a Neoplan Artic.
M1 Madison-Chambers
M3 49 and 50 Streets Crosstown
M7 65 Street Crosstown
M11 York Avenue
M12 86 Street Crosstown
M13 First Avenue
M14 First & Second Avenues
M15 Second Avenue
The M1, M3, & M7 originally operated by Comprehensive Omnibus. The M11, M12, M13, M14, M15 originally operated by East Side Omnibus. Both taken over by the city in 1948.
Comprehensve and East Side operated the services using mostly Mack buses with wide front doors. They did obtain six GM TD-4506 in 1946, fleet numbers701-703 and 320-322.
Im on street level now and I see LTD 9557 and a whole line of people waiting for the local since it was obvious that they didnt understand what Limited stop service means :-\. Seriously, there should have been a timetable printed up already but they should LOOK AT THE DAMN GUIDE A RIDE! >:-0 Because of the incompetence of the people on line I missed a empty bus then 2 locals came up and as expected those buses were filled up (the logic is nowhere to be found). Then 4594 the next LTD rolls into the stop and the B/O has to say making limited stops to practically every passenger who boarded and then we had about 20 people then we leave Main at 8pm. Went to Kissena Blvd and two people boarded then we start our LTD trip. People who were at local stops couldnt think of why such a empty 17 was passing them; no hint as of yet; and its bi directional so it was a real challenge to get it through their heads. They should consider 2 way LTD service for the Q27 as well since it was PACKED front to back towards Main. B/O has to explain to 2 people that one their stop is not LTD but lets them slide since it was new but then we roll down HH Expwy then onto 188 St and finally onto Hillside where I got off at 179 St to get the F. Definitely worth the ride, yall should try it whenever you could. Went downstairs caught the next departing F and a smooth ride up to 71 Av then we rumble down the QB express and I take the R46 to 34 St to get the Q as my last leg of the trip. So a Q local comes up a couple of minutes later and went via Broadway express, Manhattan Bridge and Brighton local then I caught the B8 and thats the end of my ride.
Orion 589 B8
RTS 8413 B41 LTD
R142 6643 (2)
R142 7177 (4)
R62A 2142 <7>
RTS 4594 Q17 LTD
R46 5690 (F)
R68 2850 (Q)
NF 945 B8
Q17 JAMAICA
Q17 ARCHER AV
Q17 LIMITED
A few drivers also had the orange/purple LTD signs too on the windshield.
As we left, he announced "Next stop Horace Harding" to the surprise of many, since the next Limited stop is Holly Avenue, not Horace Harding Boulevard. So many people became incensed that he decided to make all stops.
It appears that many of the buses are NOT programmed to display "Limited", and that not all drivers have been properly trained.
What excuse is there, especially in a new service where there's bound to be confusion among the riders, for sending a bus out as a Limited without a single Limited sign?
What excuse is there for sending out a driver on a Limited run without his being properly trained about the correct stops?
(My return trip was more successful; the driver had the windshield Limited sign (but not the electric one) and knew and announced the correct stops.)
The B/O I had made 1 non LTD stop only because it was the first day. That's some next shit though, all of the people jammed onto local buses.
It appears that many of the buses are NOT programmed to display "Limited", and that not all drivers have been properly trained.
All of the buses I saw DID in fact have Limited destinations.
What excuse is there, especially in a new service where there's bound to be confusion among the riders, for sending a bus out as a Limited without a single Limited sign?
It does take time to reprogram the signs you know but they could have printed a timetable of the Q17.
Clue: Neither begin on Little Neck Parkway.
Only Ave. B and East Broadway, Surface Transit, East Side Omnibus and Comprehensive in Manhattan had a letter prefix, "M"
(Not to mention the private operators in Queens that had the "Q" prefix. As well as the TA routes in Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island)
When the TA took over East Side and Comprehensive in 1948 they kept the letter prefix.
Letter prefixes were not added to all routes till about the late 1970s or 1980s.
Where are the 94's and 95's from Hudson?
Also does Quill still have its Orions now?
And Quill's buses are NOT worse than Hudson's...at least Quill seems to take the initiative to repaint and wash their buses more often than the garage sinking by the pier...
Incognito
No better than anything from Hudson.
The artics are still coming in, so there's still a lot of fleet changes that are going to happen.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The "Garbage" has always been reliable and dependent equipment compared to alot of the real "Garbage" that Hudson Pier has seen in it's days. The 34xx, 35xx and 36xx's were in horrible shape when we got them. 126th Street has very very good equipment as a whole, and you are right, if the 84 & 85xx's are so bad there are plenty of garages that would take them with open arms.
Peace!
DaShawn aka Flxible METRO D#1975
What NYCT bus route has the MOST number of buses assigned?
Both questions cover the number of buses assigned to the route(s) during rush hour.
Even if all the buses from X1/9 run as one route (impossible, X1/9,6,7 serves West Midtown; X2,5 serves East Midtown, X3,4, and 8 only go to Lower Manhattan), all the buses put together will not equal the M101/102/103 family or the M15 (all branches).
The last two mornings i had to wait 10/15 minuates for a bus(the headway is suppose to be 3 minuates)as the bus are now packed before they reach my stop.
I understand that they are only 8 buses in the morning when they use to be 11
What the heck is going on here?
Thank You
The B42 bus schedule is effective this month and indicates a 3 to 5 minute waiting time in the AM rush. So that is a cut in service.
Robert
B1-#9335-NOVABUS
B64-#8689-TMC
B1-#9325-NOVABUS
B1-#4861-TMCRTS
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Chuck Greene
Jim D.
I have started to list items on eBay, beginning with a couple custom painted 1/50 scale Corgi GM New Look "Fishbowls".
First one is an SCRTD (Los Angeles) unit, representing one of the 1974 T8H5307A's, 3256:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3550759466
The other one just listed is also SCRTD, one of their 3000-series S8M5303A suburbans:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3550756057
Sorry I don't have direct links, just cut and paste to your browser and they should go through.
Now....I am NOT making any more custom buses. I am NOT going to publish a list of what is available as I might keep some of it, depends on how sentimental I get about some of the models. :-)
San Francisco Muni T8H5305 (appeared as the a1modelbuses group
header photo for awhile:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3550785239
SCRTD (Los Angeles) New Look Suburban:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3550756057
SCRTD (Los Angeles) New Look Transit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3550759466
SCRTD (Los Angeles) TDM4515 Suburban:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3550782085
Now if a private individual were to buy a bus and run his own fan trips... ;)
Peace,
ANDEE
How many union reps are placed in a depot and what are their primary duties? Do they work well with the TA managers? If a union goes on strike, is a B/O within that union still allowed to work or does that B/O get penalized from his union? Isn't it possible for the TA to get a contract that has a "no stirke" claus if there is a disagreement between the two sides (I think NJT has an arrangement that pervents the union to go on strike)? Can a B/O work without a union? Are there any differences with NJ Transit? I am sorry there are numerous questions. I would like if you can answer the ones you know. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks!
MetroB
MetroB
MetroB
#1023 - M101 - LTD
#5559 - M103
Robert
MetroB
MetroB
Chris G, you did not chop down the route 27 bus stops like you should have!;-)
Whoa, maybe you should see a specialist? And maybe you shouldn't be doing things that excite you like taking photos and ducking from cops?
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
Don't give in to paranoia! And don't give up on the hobbies which bring you relaxation - we all need a little R&R these days.
Jim D.
4337(temporary though)-the only orion v that has been rehabbed, more to follow, so this oddity won't last long
9221-as sightings tell the only 9200 series in a new paint scheme
8715-about 95% of the bus is in the old paint scheme except for one part of the rear doors that is in the new paint scheme.
9368-most of this bus is in the old paint scheme, but has the engine hood in the new paint scheme, have a pic of that.
9766-the opposite of 9368 in that it is in the new paint scheme, but the rear engine hood is in the old(don't have a pic of this one)
Taken off of the oddity list:
8953, the back is now painted like of the rest of the rehabbed, and painted Flxibles.
9659 and 9660-repowered, exhaust at top like the other 9600s
9652- I think I saw this one repowered today on the A12($@&%$+). I am glad I rode this one before WMATA nopowered it.
One more added to the oddity list- 9738. Probably one of the only 9700s rehabbed with its dual exhaust pipes.
5212 has the HUGE Metrobus symbol on the sides.
9349 and I forgot the other has the Flxible-E back.
and I know theres more but it's too early in the morning
4294 seems to be the only '98 Orion V that has Alcoa wheels.
Wayne
Wayne
Transit DC
I can identify the buses run by DC Transit in some of the photos, but some of the other buses are from TA's I cannot remember or know. Does anyone know what they are?
It seems that many of the Flxibles are from the late 70's. I know the last of them had DD 6-cylinder engies which would make them 53096-6-1. If any had 8-cylinders (like the suburbans) they would be 53096-8-1. The last Flxible photo (lower right side) is one from the early 70's. These had issues in that the piant usually came off in patches on the roof. NYCTA Flxibles (111C-D51) like this also suffered from the same problem. Also that last Flxible (can't make out the number) is one of the 6800 series WMATA buses that were on loan to NYCTA in the early 80's. The photo actually shows one in service on Staten Island (look at the street sign) - also NYCTA added fleet numbers (red decal on windshield) since they already had buses numbered in the 6500-6800 range.
Great pics. Thanks for sharing!
Wayne
8000-8144 1976 53096-8-1
8200-8327 1977 53096-6-1
8400-8661 1978 53096-6-1 with wheelchair lift
5051-5070 1978 35096-6-1 with wheelchair lift
101-112 1978 53096-8-1 Suburban
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~ckder/WMATAOld/WMATA6872-1869atBay&Victory1-17-81DG.jpg
Isn't this one on Staten Island?
Thanks Chris D for the memories.
-F.
-F.
I can understand the M57 line starting to use artics. Even though it isn't a 24 hour line it gets crowded during rush hour. So far I haven't seen any on the M31, the other crosstown line on 57th Street that's even busier than the M57, since it's also a north-south line on York Avenue.
I don't see why the M116 should be the latest crosstown line to get artics. It's not as busy as the M14, M42 or the M96 (all 24 hour lines). I also don't understand why the Bronx seems to be close to 50% artics while Queens and Staten Island have no artics at all. For that matter, I don't understand why so many Brooklyn lines have no-step buses while only a few are operating in Manhattan and I haven't seen any in the other boroughs.
In Manhattan these lines are now all or mostly artics...
M15
M23
M79
M86
M102
M116
No-step buses are seen occasionally on...
M2
M5
M7
Gregg
nh153@mail.com
Peace
David
Peace
David
Wayne
(Incidentally, why does everyone here seem to think that crowded routes should necessarily get artics? No, crowded routes should get more service, which can come either via larger vehicles or via more frequent vehicles. Generally, the latter option is preferable for the passengers, since it keeps dwell times manageable. When a route gets artics, its schedule is adjusted, so the benefit of larger buses is offset by longer waits.)
Most of the low floor buses are housed at Jackie Gleason Depot in Brooklyn, which is why they're so easy to find there. There are only a few in Manhattan to begin with, housed at Manhattanville and Hale. They seem to show up pretty much arbitrarily on the routes served by those depots.
All of this will make much more sense if you think in terms of depots rather than routes or boroughs.
And I realize that artics and no-step buses are used on routes based on which depot they're assigned to. But the question is how are those assignments made? And why not order only no-step buses from now on?
It seems to me that the M104 is FILLED with senior citizens. I suppose if you're in better shape, you'd probably just take the #1 train. But if steps are difficult for you, and you're retired anyway, you take the bus. So why not put no-step buses in the 126 St. Depot and use them on the M104 line? M104s are always being slowed down by passengers having to climb those three big steps. And it takes a few seconds for the driver to raise or lower the bus for an elderly rider.
I rode the crosstown buses (M18/86 and M17/79) every day in the 80's and early 90's. They were more crowded but they moved much, much faster.
Assignments are made largely by the facilities available in each depot. For instance, some depots have enough space to house artics; others don't.
Low-floor buses are low-capacity buses. That's why you don't see them everywhere. You make an interesting point about the M104 (which, BTW, is now based out of Manhattanville, which has a few low-floors; until a week ago, it was based out of Amsterdam, which didn't) -- but, on the flip side, the M104 is often very crowded, and very crowded routes don't get along well with low-floor buses.
I do think the low-floors should be steered toward airport routes wherever possible. The M60 now comes out of Hale, which has a few low-floors (the same ones you've seen on the M7).
Wayne
BusTalk field trip please? I don't want to go alone. It would be boring alone.
-F.
1. Carry a large whiteboard and dry-erase marker. When you get to the stop, write the route you want on the whiteboard. (for example, write "Q20B" if you want that route, etc. The only problems with that are: (a) lack of visibility at night, and (b) lack ov visibility caused by buses or other obstructions.
2. At the bus stop, have a row of buttons attached to the bus stop sign. There are two variations to this:
A. The button press causes a neon or LED sign to light up the route requested. The sign would be at least fifteen feet over the bus stop, or hang over the street from a pole.
B. The button press causes a radio signal carrying an announcement to go to buses driving along the selected route, and all routes that stop at that bus stop. The signal would be picked up by the buses and relayed to the drivers. For example, if someone wants a B41 Limited to Kings Plaza, and the appropriate button is pressed, the announcement would say, "B41 Kings Plaza Limited, Pickup request at Church Avenue." If the driver finds no one at the stop, then the driver can assume that the person found another bus and can drive on if no one inside wants to stop there.
What do you think?
Great idea, but potential problems:
1)It may take too long for the driver to see if he needs to stop at the location.
2) passengers may not understand
3) passenger may be late
4) sign may not work
5) costly maintainance and may cost a good piece of change to change it if a route is rerouted.
2 and 3 are just passenger ignorance, though. Question, how would the sign be disabled? Something in the buses? A remote?
I was thinking something on the buses. Like a transponder that broadcasts the sign code in use to the bus stop signs, and, when the bus passes, the sign is deactivated.
Wayne
Bus Hailing Guide: A pocket-sized book of large size and Braille Sun Tran route numbers that lets the bus operator know which bus the passenger wishes to board. This system works well for people with vision or physical disabilities.
Photo of book available on website in accessability section
On routes that have different destinations, like the B41, L/ would be used to indicate Limiteds to a different destination, like Bergen Beach.
If a route has two variations called A and B, and the customer doesn't mind whether A or B stops first, the A/B part can be omitted.
The braille would have a brief explanation of the code.
OTOH, I don't like the suggestion of waving a flashlight -- it's certainly not a fair expectation that everyone who might want to ride a bus at night is equipped with a flashlight. It's the driver's responsibility to make sure that he doesn't pass someone who's waiting at a bus stop for his bus; if that means slowing down to take a better look because visibility isn't great (either because it's dark or because another bus is in the way), then so be it.
I know it's still early - but I am interested in what has moved and what has gone where, etc.
Here is a link to why this is so.
http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/archives/2003/09/02/news11.html
should be:
Here is a link to why they only have one and only one of these buses and the story behind it
Hmmmm.....they use joke-ass mini buses, and they can't run a route that doesn't shadow WMATA routes, but they can provide delivery, errr, passenger service to the new IKEA?
By the way, nice pic and great looking bus. The way the football team has been playing lately they more need an Orion II, oddly enough the ODV is too good for them.
I nominate that for BusTalk's Quote of The Year 2003;-)
Heh, it follows the C2...how convenient if I ever missed a C2 bus!
Knowing a little about the motorcoach industry, my guess is that the real reason they won't use the university's buses is more POLITICAL in nature. Football aside, I'm sure that the other sports teams and activity groups will be able to put the coaches to good use.
Anyway, those buses look DAMN nice. Although if I were a taxpayer in Maryland, I'd be a little pissed off. I don't see any reason why the new motorcoaches had to be the top-of-the-line Setras. There are cheaper options available for sure.
Mike
-F.
Now what's an Allegheney artic doing on a Midvale route, especially a route with regular sized [40 ft] buses?
Peace
David
See this post
Incidentally, I am Curator of the museum that houses a preserved example of each; I recently helped restore the Flxible version to its original Pentran (Hampton, VA) colors. The 5303 is originally from Richmond, and we will do the same for it sometime down the road. At present, I am doing a total restoration there of a 35' Flx New Look that I grew up riding here in Roanoke. It was the very coach that got me into buses...and later inspired my BusTalk handle. :-)
-F.
www.commonwealthcoach.com
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The Grumman 870's that the DOT gave to JBL ran for about 20 years with proper maintenance.
When I last visited the DOT yard on Flatlands Avenue on 8/23/00 (3 years ago) there were 14 JBL 870's there waiting for new owners.
It appears that many of the buses are NOT programmed to display "Limited", and that not all drivers have been properly trained.
What excuse is there, especially in a new service where there's bound to be confusion among the riders, for sending a bus out as a Limited without a single Limited sign?
What excuse is there for sending out a driver on a Limited run without his being properly trained about the correct stops?
(My return trip was more successful; the driver had the windshield Limited sign (but not the electric one) and knew and announced the correct stops.)
Wayne
Obviously, this driver wasn't fully informed as to the outline of service. Give it time - the kinks will be worked out.
If this was a Limited, Could be the same case as I said above but skipping Holly Ave ONLY.
If this was a limited and skip Holly Ave and it was at his falt, The driver must not know the stops too well. I know the drivers get a memo when new routes comes up, Telling the Drivers the stops,the routeing,the signs,and the sign codes. This driver must had not read the memo
As far as I know,all of the buses should be programmed with the Q17 Limited signs already.So in your case,the bus was local and was running late as hell.And one more thing,the Q17 comes out of Jamaica Depot which is no stranger to Limited buses since the Q4,5,and 85 are limited buses during the rush hours.So that driver did everything correctly.It's you that doesn't properly understand the scenario's a BO must go through.I hope now you do.
if the bus stop sign said Q17Ltd, it was a stop fro both limited and local stops: simple, except sometimes NB and SB stops can be at a different street.
The bus was probably just too crowded as is common with many lines out of Flushing during pm rush.
SEPTA District Listings: These listings are based if I ran the SEPTA assignments. Compare with the current roster, and you decide which is better.
September 10th, 2003
ALLEGHENY (5xxx) 109 Diesel Buses
2601 Allegheny Av (Between 26 & 27 Sts)
Tioga (North Philadelphia)
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 9 (500x), 27 (505x), 33 (515x), 48 (540x), 54* (550x), 60 (530x), 65* (520x)
1984/2002 Neoplan BM (4): 9711, 9721-9723
1996 NABI (10): 5154, 5156-5164
1999 Neoplan OQ (8): 7101-7108
2000 Neoplan OQ (87): 7109-7195
CALLOWHILL (9xxx) 188 Diesel Buses
Callowhill St between 58 & 59 Sts
West Philadelphia
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 1* (900x), 15 (902x), 21/42 (910x), 30 (916x), 31 (920x), 31S (922x), 38 (925x), 40 (930x), 43 (940x), 44/121 (967x), 46 (945x), 52 (950x), 64* (955x), 65* (960x), G* (970x), Market-Frankford Blue OWL* (990x)
1984/2002 Neoplan BP (2): 1406, 1425
1986 Neoplan DK (3): 3058, 3068, 3082 Scrap: 3045, 3122
1987 Neoplan EB (33): 3153-3155, 3193, 3200, 3203-3204, 3209, 3216-3219, 3222, 3224, 3230-3231, 3233-3245, 3247-3248, 3250-3251 Scrap: 3246
1996 NABI (88): 5001-5058, 5249-5278
2001 Eldorado National (2): 4535, 4548
2001 New Flyer D40LF (60): 5411-5470
CURRENT FULL WRAPS: 5022 (Dockside Apartments), 5028, 5055 (National Constitution Center; partial street-side), 5273 (Tastycake).
COMLY (1xxx) 200 Diesel Buses
Oxford Circle (Northeast Philadelphia)
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 1* (105x), 14/20 (110x), 19/67 (120x), 24 (125x), 28 (130x), 58 (135x), 70* (140x), 84 (150x), R* (155x)
1984/2002 Neoplan BM (7): 9612, 9701, 9704, 9709, 9714-9715, 9718
1985/2002 Neoplan CD (13): 9741, 9744, 9746-9747, 9760, 9767, 9772, 9775, 9780, 9803, 9807, 9809, 9813
1986 Neoplan DK (0): Scrap: 3073-3075, 3111-3116
1987 Neoplan EB (25): 3136-3138, 3156, 3160-3165, 3167, 3170-3182, 3232 Scrap: 3157, 3166, 3169
1988 Neoplan EI (2): 3282-3283
1989 Neoplan EZ (16): 3397, 3400-3412, 3414-3415**
1996 NABI (92): 5059-5133, 5293-5295, 5351-5364
2002 New Flyer D40LF (45): 5541-5585
ELMWOOD (LIGHT RAIL ONLY, 8xxx) 8 PCC Cars, 112 LRVs; 120 Total
Island & Elmwood Avs
Southwest Philadelphia
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 10# (805x), 11# (810x), 13# (815x), 34# (820x), 36# (825x)
1947-48 PCC Car (8/): 2728, 2732, 2785, 2799, 2160, 2168, 2187, 2194 Scrap: 2181
1981 Kawasaki LRV (112): 9000-9111
FRANKFORD (2xxx) 162 Diesel Buses
Bridge& Pratt Sts (Frankford Terminal)
Frankford (Northeast Philadelphia)
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 3* (220x), 5 (225x), 8 (230x), 25* (217x), 26* (222x), 59 (200x), 66 (205x), 73 (245x), 75 (210x), 88 (250x), J* (255x), K* (260x), Market-Frankford Blue OWL* (270x)
1984/2002 Neoplan BM (16): 9603, 9654-9655, 9667, 9673-9674, 9685, 9698-9700, 9705-9706, 9710, 9717, 9720, 9724
1985/2002 Neoplan CD (31): 9733, 9735, 9759, 9763, 9766, 9785-9786, 9788-9789, 9795-9798, 9804, 9811-9812, 9824, 9829-9830, 9833-9836, 9839, 9843-9845, 9855, 9861-9863
1986 Neoplan DK (0): Scrap: 3065
1987 Neoplan EB (17): 3132, 3135, 3139-3152, 3158
1988 Neoplan EI (9): 3252-3253, 3266-3272
1989 Neoplan EZ (20): 3398-3399, 3416-3423, 3425-3434
1996 NABI (29): 5279-5292, 5336-5350
2002 New Flyer D40LF (40): 5501-5540
CURRENT FULL WRAPS: 3428 (Jefferson Health Systems, partial street-side).
MIDVALE (3xxx) 341 Diesel Buses
4401 Wissahickon Av
Nicetown-Tioga
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 2* (340x), 3* (343x), 6 (398x), 7* (345x), 18 (300x), 22 (320x), 23* (310x), 26* (305x), 32 (313x), 35 (357x), 39 (395x), 47* (330x), 53 (349x), 54* (377x), 55 (350x), 56 (360x), 57* (390x), 61 (370x), 70* (365x), 77 (367x), 80 (369x), 89 (342x), C* (390x), H/XH (325x), J* (385x), K* (386x), L (335x), R* (315x), Broad Street Orange OWL* (395x)
1984/2002 Neoplan BM (16): 9602, 9606, 9616-9617, 9622, 9624, 9633, 9637-9638, 9644-9646, 9650, 9656, 9658, 9664
1984/2001-02 Volvo B-10M Artic (17): 7801-7802, 7804-7807, 7811-7812, 7817, 7820, 7823, 7829-7830, 7835, 7847, 7849-7850
1985/2002 Neoplan CD (18): 9737, 9742, 9748-9749, 9752, 9756, 9782, 9827, 9852, 9858-9859, 9865, 9868-9873, 9875
1986 Neoplan DK (40): 3000, 3003, 3011-3013, 3015, 3018, 3025, 3028, 3030, 3032, 3034-3035, 3039, 3046, 3051, 3054, 3063, 3081, 3083-3084, 3086, 3089-3090, 3092, 3095-3096, 3098-3100, 3103-3104, 3106-3110, 3130-3131
1988-90 Flxible (Ex-DART) (25): 3501-3525
1988 Neoplan EI (27): 3284-3290, 3294-3313
1996 NABI (80): 5165-5193, 5195-5197, 5199-5213, 5215-5236, 5238-5248
2000 Neoplan OQ (60): 7196-7255
2001 ElDorado National (12): 4559-4570
2003 New Flyer D40LF (46): 5667-5712
CURRENT FULL WRAPS: 3063 (Sept. 11th Memorial), 5172 (Tastycake).
SOUTHERN (7xxx) 66 ETBs, 191 Diesel Buses
Johnston St between 19 & 20 Sts
South Philadelphia
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 2* (710x), 7* (720x), 12 (725x), 17 (730x), 23* (705x), 25* (715x), 29 (750x), 37 (735x), 47* (790x), 47m (799x), 57* (745x), 63 (739x), 64* (740x), 68 (785x), 79^ (760x), 108* (700x), C* (755x), G* (765x), Broad Street Orange OWL* (795x)
1979 AM General 10240-T ETB (66): 810-830, 832-834, 836-838, 842, 845-846, 848-850, 853, 857-858, 861, 863-864, 866-867, 871, 874, 876, 878-880, 882, 884-888, 890- 892, 895-899, 902-903, 905, 908-909
1984/2002 Neoplan BP (7): 1401-1404, 1408, 1418, 1421
1987 Neoplan EB (36): 3183-3192, 3194-3199, 3201-3202, 3205-3208, 3210-3215, 3220-3221, 3223, 3225-3229
1988 Neoplan EI (30): 3256-3259, 3330-3342, 3344-3356
1989 Neoplan EZ (10): 3372-3373, 3384-3389, 3413, 3435
1996 NABI (29): 5198, 5214, 5237, 5375-5400
2001 New Flyer D40LF (30): 5471-5500
2002 New Flyer D40LF (5): 5596-5600
2002 New Flyer DE40LF (2): 5601H-5602H
2003 New Flyer D40LF (44): 5613-5656
CURRENT FULL WRAPS: 5396 (City of Philadelphia, Streets Department/Recycling), 5628 (KYW News Radio 1060 BIG BLUE BUS****).
****: 5628 is used for KYW's Free Ride Tuesday pormotion and is rotated to other depots as needed. It may be used on other routes duing the rest of the week.
VICTORY/RED ARROW (BUS AND LIGHT RAIL, 4xxx)
Victory Ave 29 LRVs, 26 HRVs, 161Diesel Buses
Upper Darby Twp, Delaware Co
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 100# (400x), 101#/102# (410x), 103 (420x), 104 (421x), 105 (430x), 106 (433x), 107 (434x), 108* (435x), 109 (440x), 110 (443x), 111 (445x), 112 (447x), 113 (450x), 114 (454x), 115 (456x), 116 (458x), 117/119 (460x), 118* (463x), 120 (465x), 122 (467x), 123 (468x), 124/125* (470x), 305 (480x)
1981 Kawasaki LRV (29): 100-128
1984/2001 Neoplan BP (2): 1420, 1422
1986 Neoplan DK (0): Scrap: 3060, 3062, 3121, 3125, 3127
1988 Neoplan EI (11): 3260-3265, 3291-3293, 3343, 3371
1989 Neoplan EZ (56): 3375-3383, 3390-3394, 3436-3466, 3468-3473, 3475-3479
1994 ABB N-5 Norristown Cars (26): 130-155
1996 NABI (50): 5296-5335, 5365-5374
2001 ElDorado National (22): 4534, 4536-4547, 4549-4557
2001 New Flyer D40LF (10): 5401-5410***
2002 New Flyer D40LF (10): 5586-5595
CURRENT FULL WRAPS: 3379, 3391, 3439 (Ross Stores, partial street-side), 5325 (Philadelphia Phillies, partial street-side).
FRONTIER (6xxx) 122 Diesel Buses
Alan Wood Rd, north of Ridge Pk
Plymouth Twp, Montgomery Co
ROUTES ASSIGNED: 91 (600x), 92/133 (601x), 93 (603x), 94 (605x), 95### (607x), 96 (608x), 97### (610x), 98 (612x), 99 (614x), 118* (616x), 124/125* (617x), 127 (620x), 128 (622x), 129 (623x), 130 (625x), 131 (626x), 201 (627x), 203 (630x), 206 (632x), 304 (633x)
1984/2002 Neoplan BP (2): 1415, 1417
1986 Neoplan DK (0): Scrap: 3002, 3008, 3016, 3055, 3072, 3077, 3097, 3118
1988 Neoplan EI (40): 3254-3255, 3273-3281, 3314-3318, 3320-3329, 3357-3370
1989 Neoplan EZ (15): 3374, 3395-3396, 3480-3491
1996 NABI (20): 5134-5153
1999 Ford Cutaway Minibus (Breeze IVA) (4): 2052-2055
2001 ElDorado National (31): 4514-4533, 4570-4580
2003 New Flyer D40LF (10): 5657-5666
###: Most 95 runs are cross routed with the 97. A 95 run with a 607x block is most likely a short turn between Gulph Mills P&W and Conshahocken Railroad Station.
CURRENT FULL WRAPS: 3487, 3488 (TH Properties), 5140 (Philadelphia Phillies, partial street-side).
Just like everything on SEPTA, this roster is SUBJECT TO CHANGE without notice.
Neoplans in bold type have surburban specification soft seats.
*: Route split with another depot.
**: #3414 was retrofitted with a DD50 engine and Alison B5000 transmission in 1994, and seats 38.
***: New Flyer 5401, the prototype for SEPTA's order, was built in 2000; have been sent back to factory for retrofit work.
****: Diesel-electric hybirds, testing underway, remainder due in Spring 2003.
Midvale 5194 is expected to be out of service for at least 5 months due to fire damage.
Totals: Volvo B-10M: 17 Neoplan BM: 24 Neoplan BM Suburban: 20 Neoplan BP: 13 Neoplan CD: 48 Neoplan CD Suburban: 14 Neoplan DK: 41 Neoplan DK Suburban: 2 Neoplan EB: 98 Neoplan EB Suburban: 13 Flxible: 25 Neoplan EI: 104 Neoplan EI Suburban: 15 Neoplan EZ: 89 Neoplan EZ Suburban: 28 NABI 416: 398 Breeze: 34 Neoplan OQ: 155 Eldorado National: 80 New Flyer D40LF: 300 New Flyer DE40LF: 2 Total: 1518
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* Note: If a (A) appears next to a route that means that this route sees occasional articulated service.
September 11, 2003
NEVER FORGET 9-11-01
1996 New Flyer D60HF "Galaxy Articulated #1001 @ Park Row on the M103.
TA Queens Division
CASEY STENGEL DEPOT
123-53 Willets Point Boulevard, Flushing NY, 11368
Routes: Q12, Q13, Q14, Q15, Q16, Q26, Q27, Q28, Q32 (w/MJQ), Q44/20, Q48, Q74, Q76, X32 (w/QV), X51
Number of Buses: 232
2000 NF D45SHF: 996-998. (3X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2897-2907. (11X)
1993 Orion V: 101-119, 122, 138, 144, 146, 154, 227-232, 256-316. (91)
1994 Orion V: 400-401. (2)
1995 Orion V: 404, 425, 452-456, 535-542, 544-580. (53)
1996 Orion V: 631-680. (50)
1999 Orion V: 6120-6141. (22)
Stengel Out of Service: 541, 542, 996.
JAMAICA DEPOT
165-18 South Road, Jamaica NY, 11436
Routes: Q3, Q4, Q5, Q17, Q42, Q77, Q84, Q85, X63, X64
Number of Buses: 193
2002 MCID4500: 2850-2878. (29)
1984-85 GMC RTS: 3469, 4019. (2)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4333-PA4336, PA4340, PA4344, 4345-4347, 4352, 4484, 4499, 4555, 4558-4561, 4564, 4568-4571, 4575-4577, 4579-4582, 4584, 4585, 4587, 4589, 4590, 4594. (35)
1996 Nova RTS: 8939-8978, 9051, 9053-9056, 9065, 9070, 9072-9073, 9262-9269, 9278-9281, 9285, 9291, 9345-9349. (68)
1998 Nova RTS: 9535-9568. (34)
1999 Nova RTS: 5145-5169. (25)
Jamaica Out of Service: 4554 (Scrap), 4595 (Scrap).
Museum: 1059 (1961 GMC TDH-5301)
QUEENS VILLAGE DEPOT
222-22 97 Avenue, Queens Village NY, 11429
Routes: Q1, Q2, Q30, Q31, Q36, Q43, Q46, Q75, Q79, Q83, Q88, X32 (w/CS), X68
Number of Buses: 243
2002 MCI D4500: 2879-2896. (18X)
1995 Orion V: 505-534, 611-630. (50)
1990 TMC RTS: 8352, 8355-8396. (43)
1996 GMC RTS Reman: 7001-7016, 7018-7031, 7033-7037. (35)
1996 Nova RTS: 9250-9251, 9252, 9253, 9254-9255, 9256, 9257-9258, 9259-9261, 9286-9290, 9292-9294. (20)
1998 Nova RTS: 9350-9381. (32)
1999 Nova RTS: 4900-4944. (45)
Village Out of Service: 510, 4429 (Scrap), 4501 (Scrap), 7004, 7021, 7032 (Scrap), 8360.
Museum: 3100 (1956 GMC), 100 (1959 GMC TDH-5301), 5117 (1964 Flxible), 4727 (1970 Flxible)
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2003 New Flyer D60HF "Galaxy" Articulated #5583 on Lex Ave @ 102nd St on the M102
TA Brooklyn Division
EAST NEW YORK DEPOT
1 Jamaica Avenue, Brooklyn NY 11206
Routes: B7, B12, B14, B15, B17, B20 (w/FP), B25, B42, B45, B51, B60, B82, B83, Q24, Q56
Number of Buses: 281
1986 GMC RTS: 4359, 4360, 4393, 4394, 4408, 4410, 4411, 4413, 4414, 4417, 4418, 4420, 4421, 4422, 4424, 4425, 4428, 4430, 4431, 4543. (21)
1987 TMC RTS: 4629, 4631-4635, 4637, 4638, 4641, 4642, 4872. (11)
1990 TMC RTS: 8090-8097, 8100-8129, 8340-8350. (49)
1994 TMC RTS: 8690-8703. (14)
1996 Nova RTS: 8899-8923, 8925, 8927-8929, 8931-8936, 8938, 9030-9033, 9035, 9036, 9040-9041, 9052, 9057-9064, 9066-9069, 9071, 9074-9076. (62)
1999 Nova RTS: 4945-5024, 5205-5249. (125)
East NY Out of Service: 4416 (Scrap), 8923(Accident).
NYPD Service: PA1712, 3922.
Museum: 313 (1917 Double Decker)
Training: 4949
FLATBUSH DEPOT
4901 Fillmore Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11234
Routes: B2, B31, B41, B44, B46, B47, B49
Number of Buses: 279
1985 GMC RTS: 4214, 4215. (2)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4301, PA4302, 4437, 4439, 4440, 4441, 4444, 4446, 4450, 4464. (10)
1987 TMC RTS: 4600, 4602, 4604, 4614, 4616, 4618-4628, 4654-4657. (20)
1990 TMC RTS: 8018-8032, 8045, 8066, 8073-8074, 8088, 8130, 8137-8138, 8140, 8142-8146, 8148-8150, 8154, 8156, 8159, 8162-8165, 8317-8339. (62)
1993 TMC RTS: 8401-8439, 8441, 8443-8444, 8447-8448. (44)
1997 GMC RTS Reman: 7000, 7500-7510. (12)
1998 Nova RTS: 9382-9458. (77)
1999 Nova RTS: 5075-5124. (50)
Flatbush Out of Service: 4469 (Scrap), 4602, 4627, 8143 (Engine).
Training: 5080, 5084, 8026, 8324, 8337
FRESH POND DEPOT
6699 Fresh Pond Road, Ridgewood, NY 11385
Routes: B13, B20 (w/ENY), B24, B26, B38, B39, B48, B52, B54, B57, Q54, Q55, Q58, Q59
Number of Buses: 253
1986 GMC RTS: 4380, 4390, 4552. (3)
1987 TMC RTS: 4659, 4663, 4665, 4666, 4669, 4672-4674, 4676-4679, 4681, 4683, 4684, 4686, 4688, 4695, 4696, 4701, 4702, 4704-4710, 4712-4714, 4716-4725, 4728, 4729, 4731-4734, 4736-4740, 4745-4749, 4833, 4890. (59)
1990 TMC RTS: 8000-8017, 8131-8136, 8139, 8141, 8147, 8151-8153, 8155, 8157-8158, 8160-8161, 8166-8171. (41)
1993 TMC RTS: 8520-8522, 8526-8531, 8534-8539, 8541, 8549, 8553, 8555-8558, 8560-8561, 8563, 8566. (26)
1996 Nova RTS: 9140-9175. (36)
1998 Nova RTS: 9459-9487, 9569-9605. (66)
1999 Nova RTS: 5055-5074. (20)
Pond Out of Service: 4382 (Stored), 4698 (Scrap), 4715.
NYC Mobile Bus Command Center: 4149 (1985 RTS-04)
Training: 8131, 8141, 8169, 9591.
JACKIE GLEASON DEPOT
871 5th Avenue, Brooklyn NY, 11232
Routes: B8, B9, B11, B16, B23, B35, B37, B43, B61, B63, B65, B67, B68, B69, B70, B71, B75, B77
Number of Buses: 332
1999 NF C40LF: 800-856. (57)
2000 NF C40LF: 857-989. (133)
1994 Orion V CNG: 317. (1)
1995 Orion V CNG: 581-610. (30)
2002 Orion VII CNG: 7560, 7563, 7565-7566, 7568-7623, 7625-7629. (65)
1987 TMC RTS: 4646-4651, 4658, 4660, 4664, 4667, 4668, 4671, 4682, 4693-4694, 4699. (16)
1993 TMC RTS: 8449, 8450, 8453, 8455-8457, 8460, 8518, 8519, 8523-8525, 8532, 8533, 8540, 8542-8548, 8550-8552, 8554, 8559, 8562, 8564, 8565. (30)
Gleason Out of Service: 908, 909, 965, 7560 (@ Orion)
MetroCARD Sales Buses: 1291, PA2504 (2-1981 GMC RTS-04)
Training: 949, 8518, 8519.
Hospital Audiences Buses: PA1848, 4219.
Museum: 1201(1981 GMC RTS-04), 2969/4789 (1948 GMC), 3758 (1963 GMC TDH-5303), 5227/4401 (1970 GMC T6H-5305A), 6259 (1956 Mack), 8466 (1966 GMC TDH-5303), 8928 (1968 GMC T6H-5305A).
ULMER PARK DEPOT
2449 Harway Avenues, Brooklyn NY, 11214
Routes: B1, B3, B4, B6, X25, X27/37, X28/38, X29, B36, B64, B74, F Train Shuttle
Number of Buses: 286
2000 MCI D4500: 2755-2804. (50X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2165-2209. (45X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2908-2924. (17X)
1985 GMC RTS: 3962, 3969, 3970. (3)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4330-PA4332, 4452, 4458, 4468, 4497. (7)
1987 TMC RTS: 4742, 4756, 4759, 4760, 4762, 4764, 4767, 4769, 4771, 4772, 4774, 4775, 4777-4783, 4785-4787, 4789, 4790, 4792, 4854, 4855, 4857-4863, 4865-4867, 4869, 4871, 4874. (41)
1994 TMC RTS: 8671-8689. (19)
1996-98 GMC RTS Reman: 7017, 7512, 7513, 7516, 7518-7526, 7528, 7531-7534. (18)
1996 Nova RTS: 9077-9110, 9176-9185, 9295-9341. (91)
Ulmer Park Out of Service: 2185 (WTC Damage), 2763 (Accident), 4758 (Scrap), 4791 (Scrap), 4768 (Scrap), 4868 (Scrap), 9317.
Training: 8678, 8679, 9100, 9302.
Museum: 236 (1980 Grumman 870)
BUSES STORED IN BROOKLYN
CARLTON YARD
Carlton Avenue & Atlantic Avenue, Brooklyn
40 Buses
Orions: 473.
RTS: 3918, 3986, 3995, 4045, 4116, 4141, 4217, PA4300, PA4307, PA4327, 4379, 4433, 4445, 4478, 4479, 4483, 4537, 4605, 4680, 4703, 4711, 4730, 4765, 4794, 4812, 4815, 7511, 7514, 7515, 7517, 7527, 7529, 7535, 7541, 7555, 8206, 8223, 8226, 8273.
MCI: 1908, 1936, 2100, 2139, 2161.
CROSSTOWN STORAGE YARD
Commercial & Box Streets, Brooklyn
26 Buses
RTS: 3503, 3529 (Scrap), 3893, 3907, 3920, 4045, 4115, 4163, 4165, 4198, 4218, PA4308, PA4309, PA4319, PA4320, PA4324, PA4325, 4362, 4461, 4508, 4538, 4548, 4811, 4813, 4873, 4877, 4883, 4886.
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2003 New Flyer D60HF "Galaxy" Articulated #5601 on Layover @ Park Row from the M15.
TA Staten Island Division
CASTLETON DEPOT
1390 Castleton Avenue, Staten Island, NY, 10310
Routes: S40/90, S42, S44/94, S46/96, S48/98, S51/81, S52, S53/93, S54, S57, S59, S60, S62/92, S66/67, S74, S76, S78, X10/11, X12/42, X13, X14, X16, X18, X20, X30
Number of Buses: 344
1993 Orion V: 129-132, 134, 137, 139, 162, 165, 166-172. (16)
1995 Orion V: 471-472, 474-504. (33)
1999 Orion V: 6142-6326. (185)
1998 MCI 102DL3: 1990-1997, 1999-2039. (49X)
1999 MCI 102DL3: 2040-2074. (35X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2825-2849. (25X)
Castleton Out of Service: 168, 2014 (Accident), 6204, 6291.
NYPD Service: 3307 (1986 GMC-RTS 06 #4505)
YUKON DEPOT
40 Yukon Avenue, Staten Island NY, 10314
Routes: S55/56, S61/91, S79, X1-9, X15, X17/19, X21/22, X31
Number of Buses: 365
1993 Orion V: 121, 123-128. (7)
1999 Orion V: 6327-6349. (23)
1998 MCI 102DL3: 1860-1989. (130X)
1999 MCI 102DL3: 2075-2139. (65X)
2000 MCI D4500: 2705-2754. (50X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2140-2164. (25X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2805-2824. (20X)
1985 GMC RTS: 3901, 3949, 3960, 4129. (4)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4342. (1)
1987 TMC RTS: 4643-4645, 4741-4744, 4753-4755, 4893-4897. (14)
1990 TMC RTS: 8293-8315. (23)
Yukon Out of Service: 124, 1908, 1936, 2100, 2139, 2161, 3972 (Scrap) 6343 (Accident).
Training: 8299, 8300.
Museum: 2151 (1962 GMC TDH-5301), 7340 (1973 Flxible)
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1999 Nova RTS Model T80-206 #5225 rounding The Greenspring Loop @ Park Row on the B51.
TA Manhattan Division
126 STREET DEPOT
2460 2nd Avenue, New York, NY 10035
Standard Routes: M31, M57 (A), M66, M116 (A)
Articulated Routes: M15, M35
Number of Buses: 213
1987 TMC RTS: 4795, 4797, 4798, 4799, 4801, 4802, 4803, 4805, 4806, 4809, 4810, 4814, 4817-4819, 4821, 4822, 4825, 4826, 4829, 4835, 4841, 4842, 4844, 4845, 4848-4851, 4878. (28)
1990 RTS: 8173, 8212-8220, 8222, 8225, 8227, 8229, 8232-8233, 8236-8242, 8244-8247, 8249, 8255, 8257, 8285, 8288-8289, 8351, 8353-8354. (43)
1993 TMC RTS: 8440, 8442, 8445, 8446, 8451, 8452, 8454, 8458-8459, 8461-8517. (66)
1996-98 GMC RTS Reman: 7038-7049, 7536-7540, 7542-7545, 7547-7550, 7553-7554, 7557-7559. (29)
2002 NF D60HF: 5594-5640. (47)
126th Out of Service: 7546 (Scrap).
Training: 8454, 8458.
1996 Nova RTS Model T80-206 #9139 on a Yard Move @ West Farms Depot.
OA Manhattan Division
100th STREET DEPOT
Lexington Avenue & East 100th Street, New York, NY 10036
Artic Routes: M101, M102, M103
Number of Buses: 97
1997 NF D60HF: 1000-1028. (29)
2002 NF D60HF: 5526-5593. (68)
100th Out of Service: None.
Training: 1025.
666 West 133rd Street, New York, NY 10027
Routes: M2, M3, M4, M5, M10, M11, M18, M104
Number of Buses: 266
1998 Orion VI HEV: 6350-6353. (4)
1999 Orion VI HEV: 6359. (1)
1990 TMC RTS: 8250, 8252-8253, 8256, 8258-8261, 8263-8264, 8266, 8269, 8270, 8272, 8275, 8276, 8282-8284, 8286, 8290-8292. (23)
1995 Nova RTS: 8750-8751. (2)
1996 Nova RTS: 8752-8806. (55)
1998 Nova RTS: 9488-9534, 9606-9654. (96)
1999 Nova RTS: 5025-5054, 5125-5144, 5170-5204. (85)
Manhattanville Out of Service: 4486 (Stored), 4494 (Stored), 4509 (Stored).
Museum: 1000/8602 (1966 Blitz GMC TDH-5303), 7144 (1956 GMC), 9098(1956 GMC).
Training: 5134, 8800, 9488, 9618.
MICHAEL J. QUILL DEPOT
525 11th Avenue, New York, NY 10036
Standard Routes: M6, M8, M9, M14, M16/34, M20, M21, M22, M27/50, M30, M42, M72, M96/106, M98, Q32 (w/CS), X26, X90/92
Artic Routes: M23, M79, M86
Number of Buses: 311
1997 NF D60HF: 1029-1069. (41)
1998 NF D60HF: 1070-1071. (2)
1999 NF D60HF: 5407, 5509. (2)
2002 NF D60HF: 5511-5525. (15)
1993 Orion V: 120, 133, 135-136, 140-143, 145, 147-153, 155-161, 163-164. (25)
1990 TMC RTS: 8178-8179, 8191, 8198, 8200, 8202-8204, 8207-8209, 8221, 8224, 8228, 8230-8231, 8234-8235, 8243, 8251, 8254, 8262, 8265, 8267-8268, 8271, 8274, 8277-8281, 8287. (33)
1994 TMC RTS: 8600-8670. (71)
1996 Nova RTS: 8924, 8926, 8979-9029, 9034, 9037-9039, 9042-9050, 9186-9228, 9270-9272, 9273, 9274-9277, 9282-9284, 9342-9344. (108, 14X)
Quill Out of Service: None.
Training: 1056, 8600, 8601, 8643, 8662.
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1999 Orion 05.501 #6068 @ Charlotte & Seabury Pl on the Bx11.
OA Bronx Division
GUN HILL DEPOT
1910 Bartow Avenue, Bronx NY, 10469
Standard Routes: BX25/26, BX28 (A), BX29, BX30, BX34
Artic Routes: BX4, BX5, BX12, BX22, BX39, BX40/42, BX55
Number of Buses: 257
1999 NF D60HF: 5250-5406, 5408-5424. (174)
1993 Orion V: 173-213. (41)
1984-85 GMC RTS: 3474, 3965. (2)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4326, 4367, 4399, 4400, 4402, 4449, 4510. (7)
1990 TMC RTS: 8049. (1)
1996 Nova RTS: 8888-8898, 9229-9249. (32)
Gun Hill Out of Service: 3906 (Stored), 4145 (Stored), 8052 (Stored), 8065 (Stored), 8077 (Stored), 8079 (Stored).
Museum: 2124 (1938 Yellow Coach Double Decker)
Training: PA2342 (1981 GMC RTS-04), 5250, 8342.
KINGSBRIDGE DEPOT
4065 10th Avenue, New York NY, 10034
Standard Routes: BX3 (A), BX7, BX10, BX13, BX16, BX18, BX20, BX32, M100
Artic Routes: BX1, BX2, BX9, BX41
Number of Buses: 2531998 D60HF: 1072-1109. (38)
1999 D60HF: 5425-5508. (84)
1987 RTS: 4611, 4612, 4615, 4843, 4853. (5)
1996 RTS: 8807-8887. (81)
1998 RTS: 9655-9699. (45)
Kingsbridge Out of Service: 3562 (Scrap), 4404 (Scrap), 4517 (Scrap), 5492(Accident).
Training: 8854-8856, 9655
MOTHER CLARA HALE DEPOT
721 Lenox Avenue, New York NY, 10039
Routes: M1, M7, M60, BX33
Number of Buses: 96
1993 Orion V: 214-226, 233-255. (36)
1999 Orion V: 6000-6053. (54)
1999 Orion VI HEV: 6354. (1)
2000 Orion VI HEV: 6355-6358. (4)
2002 Orion VII HEV: 6365. (1)
Training: 240, 250, 6010, 6028.
WEST FARMS DEPOT
E.177th St & Devoe Ave, Bronx NY
Routes: BX6, BX8, BX11, BX14, BX15, BX17, BX19, BX21, BX27, BX31, BX35, BX36
Number of Buses: 240
1995 Orion V: 402-403, 405-424, 426-451, 457-470. (62)
1999 Orion V: 6054-6119. (66)
2003 Orion VII CNG: 7562, 7564, 7567. (3)
1986 GMC RTS: 4451, 4453, 4520. (3)
1987 TMC RTS: 4609. (1)
1990 TMC RTS: 8033-8036, 8038-8044, 8046-8048, 8050-8051, 8053-8064, 8067-8072, 8076, 8078, 8080-8089, 8172, 8174-8177, 8180-8190, 8192-8197, 8199, 8201, 8205, 8210-8211. (72)
1996 Nova RTS: 8930, 8937, 9111-9139. (31)
1997 GMC RTS Reman: 7551-7552. (2)
Training: 461, 6070, 8034 (used for driver training)
1999 Orion 05.501 #6119 crossing the 174th Street Bridge on the Bx36.
Roster By M. Holmes
Photos & Post by Trevor Logan.
Enjoy!
Except you didn't put the surburban buses in bold-type. This is fine for the MCIs, but with many surburban Orions and RTS's being converted to hard-seaters, it'll be nice to know which ones are still soft-seaters.
Thanks to Trevor, as always!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BTW: Great Pictures & let me know when your new TransiTALK go back on again also i will send you more bus pictures & you going to love the pictures.
Peace
David
Mark
BIG AL
Peace,
Kevin
--AE2005
MetroB
Peace,
Kevin
MetroB
Playing with the sign, were we? :)
JD
BTW, I see you like the UTC roster. Where do you think he gets a lot of his info from. I'll give you three guesses.
3972 isnt scrapped. it in the shop lanes with a defect sign on the front saying it needs compressor work. farebox, radio still intact.
and if u wanna check your questionable rts sighting, i will glady show you where there anytime you wanna come to yukon, would be my pleasure. i also have yukon pics, if i knew how to attach them i would, anyone interested, please email me for them. thank you
Mark
1990 TMC RTS - add 8037,8049,8077,8079
8088 still at Flatbush.
1997 GMC RTS Remans - add 7537,7539,7542,7543,7544,7549,7550,7554,7559
2003 Orion VII CNG - add 7575
7567 is not at WF.
Here's some photos taken by Operator David Delgado from West Farms:
Taken at GWB.
Taken at WF depot.
Taken at WF Depot.
Peace,
Kevin
Peace,
Kevin
#s
8001-8013
8100-8109
8121-8202
(all GM TDH 5303 with ac and billboard signs)
9110-9129
(Flxible model 53102-6-1
...and if you came back 2 years later, in 1982, you would be seeing...
#s
381-392
(Grumman model 53102-6-1 [870])
1283-1287
PA1560-PA1608
(GM model T8H-204)
PA1659-PA1703
(GM model T8J-204)
PA1-PA5
PA92-PA96
(Grumman model 53102-6-1 [870]
Line 497 used to travel from Wilshire Bl-Western Ave in Koreatown all the way to Montclair. Making stops along Wilshire Blvd, Hope St, Spring St. Also serving the El Monte Busway and travelling along the 10 frwy ... with stops at Asuza Blvd, Puente Blvd, Via Verde, Fairplex Dr, and Montclair
Foothill Line 699 makes the same stops....but with a few modifications. This line starts at 9th-Figueroa ( near Staples Ctr )
travels via Figueroa, Flower, 1st, Spring, and Aliso Streets. In addition, it serves the Union Station Gateway Ctr ( as seen in the pic below ). Then makes stops along the El Monte Busway and discharge stops at the following locations
-Puente Bl
-Asuza Bl
-Lakes Park/Ride Lot
-via Verde
-Fairplex
-Montclair Transcenter
Line 497 used to travel from Wilshire Bl-Western Ave in Koreatown all the way to Montclair. Making stops along Wilshire Blvd, Hope St, Spring St. Also serving the El Monte Busway and travelling along the 10 frwy ... with stops at Asuza Blvd, Puente Blvd, Via Verde, Fairplex Dr, and Montclair
Foothill Line 699 makes the same stops....but with a few modifications. This line starts at 9th-Figueroa ( near Staples Ctr )
travels via Figueroa, Flower, 1st, Spring, and Aliso Streets. In addition, it serves the Union Station Gateway Ctr ( as seen in the pic below ). Then makes stops along the El Monte Busway and discharge stops at the following locations
-Puente Bl
-Asuza Bl
-Lakes Park/Ride Lot
-via Verde
-Fairplex
-Montclair Transcenter
Anyways Montebello Line 50 operates from Downtown Los Angeles to Adelfa-Santa Gertrudes in the city of La Mirada, which is located in southeast Los Angeles county.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
This was at 2nd Av and E 57th St on the M15 BEFORE being taken out of 126th St Depot and placed into the Manhattanville Depot....memories before the artics!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
B1-#8687-TMC
B64-#9295-NOVABUS
Take Park Slope. Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Avenues are two-way, but 8th Avenue and Prospect Park West are paired. The result? Poor service and low ridership on the B69 and B75 buses, and traffic jams on Union Street as those going northbound on 8th Avenue try to get back to Grand Army Plaza.
I say make 8th Avenue and Prospect Park West two-way. Prospect Park Southwest, on our side of the park, is already two-way.
This would enable some bus changes.
The B75 could take Prospect Park West northbound and southbound between Windsor Terrace and 9th Street, eliminating the need to go down 15th Street.
The B68, which has frequent service, could be extended up Prospect Park West to Grand Army Plaza. This would allow riders in the B68 corridor to get to the bandsell on the west side of the park, the library, and the Brooklyn Museum. It would also allow a direct transfer to the even-more-frequent B41 for a ride Downtown. In effect, the B68, the B35, and the B41, all of which run frequently even on Sunday, would form a triangle. Since the ride of Prospect Park West would be faster than the crawl down 15th Street, up 8th Avenue, and over on Union, this wouldn't require too many more buses.
The B67 on 7th Avenue could be diverted along Union Street to Grand Army Plaza, and then north on Vanderbelt on the route of the B69. Those seeking to go along Flatbush Avenue could also transfer to the B41 to Downtown. As it is, the B67 and B41 duplicate each other.
Therefore, the low ridership, low service B69 could be eliminated. All existing bus stops could be served (save that those on 8th Avenue would instead by on Prospect Park West, and with more service than before.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Nope, that's the point. The buses in both directions would be on Prospect Park West (where the trolley used to run), not 8th Avenue.
By the way, my child goes to St. Saviour. We walk, but others double park and block the bus. You see a lot less double parking on 6th Avenue, a street as narrow as 8th and two-way. Why? Because on a one way street everyone will try to squeeze into one lane to get around a double-parker, but on a two-way street they can't, so they'll demand that the double parker move.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Ever tried to drive, or ride the B6/B11, on Avenue J between Coney and the Q train? The double parkers don't care if they're forcing buses into oncoming traffic.
I ride the B69 at times and yes I agree that the double parking on 8 Av can be a nuisance BUT I think converting 8 Av to 2 way would not improve anything. It may help 7 Av a bit but then it would only get just like it then seeing 8 Av is mostly residental, they would block all efforts to do so. And double parking on two way streets is very common, see the B35 on Church Av east of E 18 St or Flatbush Av (which is two lanes in each direction for most of the roadway) on the B41.
Wayne
Over a decade ago, 13th Ave in Brooklyn was a two way street. The main bus line, the B16 was the laughingstock of being caught up in delays from double parkers taking up one lane each way. Politicians and the city DOT decided to make 13th Ave one-way southbound and 14th Ave would remain one-way northbound. So the N/B B16 was shifted to 14th Ave from 57th st to 37th st and it has resulted in improved traffic patterns and fewer delays.
The classic case of not canning one-way streets was all north-south streets, except Broadway south of Columbus Circle and 7th Ave were two-way streets. During the 50's and ending with the 1966 transit strike, which culminated in 5th Ave and Madison Ave becoming one-way streets, it improved traffic patterns.
The 3rd Ave and Willis Ave bridges in Upper Manhattan also used to be bi-directional bridges. Evidence of Willis Ave as a two-way traffic bridge can be found at the Bronx side of the Bridge near the entrance to the Major Deegan Expressway.
When I left there, I went to our daily maintenance facility. This is where the buses go for the nightly work, fueling, washing, quick maintenance, etc. I saw a Broward County Transit Gillig Advantage there. Took a quick look at this bus as well. Didn't get a chance to step in it, like the Orion, but I liked this bus better. Seemed a bit more inviting on the inside. However, the one thing I disliked about this bus was the passenger windows. The lower deck people have a window level with thier head... too high. The rear deck people have a window level with thier thigh... too low. *shrug*
Now I'm just waiting to see if a NABI or New Flyer shows up. We had an Invero last year, haven't seen a D40LF yet, though. There has also been some talk about a bus from China?
Oh well... I still like that VanHool...
-Tyler-
Disney Transport
"...........Gilligs are medium duty busses that belong at airports.........."
Nonsence, I think you or anyone else would enjoy driving a Gillig Low Floor and working its controls. If I hit the lotto I'm going to get a 29 foot Low Floor as my personal auto. The Low Floor is such a far cry from the Phantom (a more utilitarian bus) it's hard to believe they are from the same manufacturer. For comfort and ease of operation, I prefered the Low Floor to the D60HF and the Orion V anyway.
Mike
-F.
That's a GREAT price for a Road Champs Flxible; it has always been my favorite model of all time. In fact, I just spent 9/11 finishing up a Grumman 870 conversion of one in period NYCTA colors; it is fleet no. 711 and has the BX40 on its route signs. It took a lot of work, but it was worth it to see it finally done!
-F.
Other neat things they have done include the Road Champions muscle car series...my favorite was the 1969 Dodge Super Bee. However, the hood was incorrect; those had a fiberglass lift-off hood, but the model has a hinged version. Oh well.
-F.
Isn't 3474 also still around?
Sure. *Grabs box of sugar, and an x-acto knife* Back in a giffy!
Needless to say, these didn't last long; the stops washed off the curb in about 6 months, and if the grass grew over your stop, you were screwed. Thankfully, we eventually got actual signs with our TA's new logo; recently, they were upgraded to include their website info (www.valleymetro.com).
-F.
CLOSED:
Hudson Pier:M6,8,9,11,14,16,21,22,34,Q32(split with CS)
Amsterdam:M100,104,Bx6,15
Current MaBSTOA assignments
126 St:M15,31,35,57,66,116 ---> This is a TA depot
100 St:M101,102,103 ---> This just reopened
West Farms:Bx6,8,11,14,15,17,19,21,27,31,35,36 ---> New
Kingsbridge:M100,Bx1,2,3,7,9,10,13,16,18,20,32,41
Mother Clara Hale:M1,7,60,Bx33
Michael J. Quill:M6,8,9,14,16,21,22,23,27,30,42,50,72,79,86,98,106,Q32(split with CS)
Gun Hill:Bx4,5,12,22,25,26,28,29,30,34,39,40,42,55
Manhattanville:M2,3,4,5,10,11,18,96,104
First off, for those who have waited long enough to see photographs of GRTC Flxible Metros (in the purple-black stripes), I will have them online by sometime next week. I'll notify ya'll of the website I'm gonna post them on when I finish uploading.
Second, the GRTC has purchased new buses, 1 new Gillig Phantom (Bus 801) and 3 Blue Bird Xcel 102's (Buses 1201-1203). I have been able to spot bus 801 on several local routes (such as the 4P,6,and 63), but I haven't ridden it as of yet (and when I do, I'll be able to do a little sound recordin as well). As for them 1200's, those buses are STRICTLY RESERVED for the express routes (26-29, 64-66, 81-82, and 95). I have pictures of them and will post them at the same time I post the Metros. Also, I have planned to do a sound recordin of them (and it might be today). As for powertrains, Bus 801 is in question (the engine is what I'm tryin to figure out, but it DOES have a Voith 864.3 transmission). The Blue Bird's ,however, have the Cummins ISC/Allison B400R powertrain.
And finally, the GRTC has added 2 additional routes to their service, Route 65 (StonyPoint Fashion Park Express) and Route 82 (Winterpock Express). Route 65 is GRTC's first and only express route that runs during off-peak hours and weekends. HOWEVER, the frequency of this route is very low (about 70-75 minutes). The good thing about this route is that 90% of it is HIGHWAY (Runs on the Downtown Expressway, then Powhite Parkway, then Chippenham Parkway to StonyPoint Fashion Park). As for the 82, this route also does some highway work, but it travels along Hull Street Road (into Chesterfield County) and terminates at some hardware store that's OUT THEEEERRRRRRRRRRE.
This has been my once every now-and-then GRTC Update.
Adios,
Montigue Magruder
And what's this about XCel 102s? Sure, they pretty much look like Gilligs, but will they hold up to Richmond usage? We just received 10 new Gilligs in Roanoke two years ago that came with Voith 864.3s and Cummins ISLs; the latter is probably what is powering 801.
On another note, we have a 5303 that came from Virginia Transit Co. (later GRTC) in our fleet of preserved buses at CC&T (www.commonwealthcoach.com) that we plan to restore to original livery. It runs, but needs a lot of mechanical work to be legal.
Thanks for the good word about Richmond!
Sincerely,
Fred Donaher
Not for long. Very few 100's are still running and the 300's days are numbered.
-F.
Transport Workers Union Local 100 leaders representing drivers and mechanics on private lines in the borough say unhappy riders should phone the mayor's office at (212) 788-3000, or the city hotline number, 311, to complain about lousy service.
The union officials warn that now that school is open and the commuting population is swelled by hundreds who have returned from summer vacation, buses will be more full, will make fewer stops and will take longer at each stop they do make.
"Today I was about five minutes late" for work, said Dicha C., 40, a legal translator who boarded a Q10 bus on her way home to Kew Gardens yesterday. "I know it's probably the company's fault. I know it's not the drivers."
"The Q41, the Q8, they're really bad. They've been really crowded lately," said Marcelo Miranda, 19, a student at the School for Visual Arts, who complained he is often late to work or getting home from his security guard job in Manhattan.
Union members leafletting Queens riders yesterday charged that there are fewer Queens Surface, Triboro Coach and Jamaica Bus vehicles in service because these operators do not repair the buses quickly enough.
"We want people to realize it's not the drivers out there on their coffee breaks," said TWU local representative Neil Winberry,. "This has been ...going on for months. They knew it was coming."
Winberry said the union believes the city's desire to take over the private lines for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority could be to blame. He said that as a result, the operators cut back on their runs over the summer and have not restored them.
Annual subsidies
The city wants to end the $100million in annual subsidies it gives the bus operators - including New York Bus, Command Bus and Liberty Lines - and create a more regional and, they say, improved private bus system.
However, bus operators say they have been kept in the dark about specifics of the city's plan, and local politicians question whether the proposal would secure workers' jobs.
The union-distributed leaflets also urge dissatisfied commuters to also complain to city Transportation Commissioner Iris Weinshall.
"We haven't received a serious amount of calls to 311, but then again the process has just started with them distributing flyers," said DOT spokesman Tom Cocola.
A City Council hearing on Queens bus service is scheduled to be held at City Hall on Sept.25.
Originally published on September 12, 2003
Another note...I saw Midvale 3300 on the H putting out a HUGE CLOUD OF SMOKE as it crawled up the hill on Mount Pleasant Ave. Unfortunately, I was on the opposite side of the street, where the exhaust pipe points. Fortunately, the bus stopped when it get to me, so I didn't have to walk in the cloud.
Bottom Line: Midvale needs to shape up. Olney Terminal is sickening when you have to wait an hour for your bus, and the shape of the bus I rode is attrocious! I bet Luzerne was better than this.
I seriously doubt GMC would be making them again, though; General Motors sold its bus interest in the 1980s for a reason. They were more focused on cars, and felt that the transit coach business was simply unprofitable. With that in mind, there is no WAY whey would spend millions in retooling just to make more buses, no matter how popular they are to us or the TAs.
If someone was serious about remanufacturing Fishbowls, I would say probably you could expect it from MCI; after all, they are the big wheelers of the American bus industry and still own the tooling to the Classic, which stemmed from the original Fishbowl design. Otherwise, perhaps an upstart manufacturer either here or in another country like Mexico could always go for broke on such a venture. Look at China; they are still making Flx Metros that are loosely based on the original 870 design from the now-defunct Flxible.
-F.
NovaBus owns the tooling for the Classic as far as I know, not MCI.
Wayne
I think a bigger problem is the lack of a wheelchair lift. That's why they were retired in 1995, after all.
Hmm, I like the idea already :-P How about articulated low-floor Fishbowls too? Double-decker Fishbowls…the possibilities are endless. How about a Fishbowl LRT too, in honor of how the GMC buses stuck it to the PCC car…?? :-P
Aside from MCI Cruisers, yes, NYCT. The RTS and D60HF are out of production; what does that leave for new bus orders?
Orion V diesel buses are definitely still available.
Other high-floor buses that 'may' still be offered are the NABI 416, the Neoplan AN440 and the Gillig Phantom.
Jim D.
It can be done - the MBTA in Boston retrofitted front-door wheelchair lifts onto five AM General buses in the late 1970's and 15 GM-Canada New Look buses in the early 1980's. I'm not sure how well they worked, because none of those lifts saw much service after the T received its lift-equipped Flyer D901's in 1982.
Jim D.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Welcome aboard. It's always good to have another BusTalker. I'm sure you'll find that we have a nice little family here.
Wayne
Are you in Phoenix Metro Or Tucson Metro?
I'm In The Phoenix Metro (Avondale)
Do a search of BIG AL's posts from earlier this year - I remember he had one that described how NYCT buses are assigned.
JD
Once MTA bus is created, we'll see. As for NYCT to LIBUS, no.
My knowledge of the CDTA is limited. I know they bought GMC New Looks in the 1960's, Flxible New Look and AM General buses in the 1970's, and then Orion I's in the 1980's.
I don't know anything about their route structure, so I can't help you there. Maybe you can check the local libraries or used book stores to see if any old bus maps are available.
Jim D.
JD
Address is:
http://web.utk.edu/~gallant/gmcbuses2.html
Enjoy!
JD
Jason
Womder if the new Neoplan artiocs are causing this move... artics are used on the 13, 39, and 78 from Big Tree.
Am I correct for the reasoning for closing Big Tree would be for the facility is old and not as spacious as the other garges in the area.
MetroB
Jason
MetroB
They ran from PABT to EWR for quite a few years. Far cheaper than the Olympia Trails competing service…and the Olympia Trails replacement service when they sold it off…
NJT also ran routes 303 from GWB Bus Station to EWR and 304 from Saddle Brook to EWR…during the 1980s. The 303 ended up as a Penn Station/Broad Street Station shuttle route within Newark City, a supplement to the late route 302 Airlink before the EWR train station opened…
MetroB
MetroB
NJ Transit did not originally run the Airlink (Newark Penn-EWR) bus. This run was originally that of a private operator that used jitneys and did not bear the number 302. The operator’s name escapes me at the moment—so many of them have come and gone between the 80s and 90s.
BTW - Do you know where I can get my hands on old NJT bus schedules, like from the 80's?
I'd LOVE to if I possibly could.
Thanks.
MetroB
Jason
http://www.redandtan.com/schedules/WkSI_Hob.htm
Now, in response to that crack about me going back to sleep, as far as I am concerned, I'm sure you know where you could go.
Enjoy.
Send an IM to ticocg47 for an invite, if I'm not there, Fishbowl8v71 will be glad to get you in as well.
Get aim at www.aim.com
One observation from yesterday was seeing the only bus without a flag was 8880, which was running on the A12.
Wayne
More WMATA fare news coming to a tv or newspaper, or internet sight near you.
Now in order to save the 14, N11-13, and other routes, WMATA should raise the fare to $1.50. I think the gov't workers could afford the 30 cent increase,[it's better than the 40 cent jump in Philly, or the 50 cent jump in NYC], and apply the money to offset subsidies.
Really, WMATA riders CAN afford to put more money in the fare box.
MetroB
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Production started in 1977. The first RTS buses had teething problems. These were models 01 and 03. They looked slightly different than the RTS buses of today. The RTS-01 had a different front bumper than all of the subsequent models and both the 01 and 03 models had a sloping rear. Very sleek, but not practical as it caused numerous problems with the engine and A/C.
The RTS-04 was introduced in 1980. The slope was gone and the workhorse we know today was born. Little has changed on the RTS from that time. On some of the later TMC and Nova models, the pork chop panels dissapeared, and there was an ugly RTS-08 produced. But overall, the RTS is a great success story.
Personally, I think it's the last great bus ever built. In fact, it's the greatest in my opinion. Everyone goes on and on about how the GM New Looks could last 20 plus years, but, the New Looks never had strict EPA and ADA laws to contend with. Add that to the Govt funding new bus purchases every 12 years and it's truly amazing that so many RTS live past 15 and even 20 years.
Anyone who denies the RTS is a workhorse is foolish. That's just the way it is. They may not be the best to drive, but they certainly are the best built. If not for all of these rules and regulations affecting the transit industry today, the RTS buses most definately would have outlived their New Look ancestors almost two fold.
They are just damn good buses.
________
"-O--O-"
I think of RTS as the FIRST great bus, not the last. For 50 years, buses have been the mode of no choice for people with no choice. People preferred trolleys, but GM ripped them out. I think a lot of it has to do with the diesel engine. Until the RTS came along, I could never ride a transit bus (or in a car behind a transit bus) without feeling sick.
The RTS was the first bus I could ride, and things have been getting better ever since. Add on signal priority and a few other BRT benefits, and I think the best years of bus transit are in the future, not the past.
Yes, the RTS had some issues... the drivers area wasn't very ergonomic. The lift was in the rear. Push-open doors weren't flush with the bus. Not always the fastest bus in the fleet.
But overall, the bus was designed and built to be like a ROCK. I'm sure had ADA regulations and other factors not come to play, the RTS would still be popular today, and would have the same life span as the Fishbowl.
>If NovaBus cut costs and came out with a chaeper bus, would there be more RTS buses rolling.
I've never been on a true Nova RTS, but I do drive thier LFS. It's a shoddy, cheaply built piece of crap. The bus could have potential, had NovaBUS not been so cheap with it. Cheap parts, shoddy workmanship, and ZERO quality control. If they still built the RTS, and tried to do this as well, we'd have GMC RTS's that would be running while the Nova RTS's got parked.
From what I'm to understand, the RTS was typically not the lowest bidder by far. It was not a cheap bus. But of course, it was also rock solid, durable, and stood the test of time. Well worth the money.
I disagree - the Neoplan lowfloor is not the best looking bus, but it much more handsome than the Nova LFS. Those Nova buses just look weird - maybe it's the shorter distance between the axles.
JD
In any event, it's a moot point. Nova likely discontinued the RTS because a.) It's expensive to build and most buses are sold through low-bid contracts; b) The high-floor market is drying up; and c) It competed with their LFS model.
Don't forget also that Volvo now has an ownership stake in Nova - I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to quit making the RTS and stop selling the LFS in the U.S. is part of a strategy to eventually introduce a new bus model in America based on the Volvo buses sold in Europe.
Jim D.
The RTS was so strong because of how it was made. Unlike typical buses that are riveted or bonded pasnels to a skeletal frame (or in the case of the Flxible 870/Metro, entire sides bonded at the vorners of the body), the RTS was made of 5-foot stainless steel modules that were circumferentially welded. This created a solid tube-like structure from end to end. This gave it a full unitized body structure, much like many cars today. The suspension and powertrain were mounted to two steel subframes that extended from the axle module to its respective end. The paintable paneling was then attached to this "tube" structure.
Because you now had a stainless steel welded tube as the basic body, you didn't suffer the creaks and groans at the usual panel separation points, and while the extra weight of the stainless steel didn't help with fiuel mileage, it did keep the bus very stable. If you remember the original "Beverly Hills Cop" movie, when Eddie Murphy is hanging off the back of the cigarette semi as it sped through Detroit, there's one point where an RTS does a 180-degree skid, and barely lifts a tire doing it.
MetroB
I've been gathering info (sales brochures, specs, operating manuals) since the RTS was introduced in 1977. I thought GMC (as usual) was way ahead of its time in the RTS design, and 26 years of production seems to back that up.
The rear lift really had nothing to do with the price of the RTS - if you ordered the WFD (Wide Front Door or 08 model), you got the exact same lift as the rear door unit. The RTS was discontinued mostly because Nova didn't have the same level of build quality as GMC and TMC. Nova made numerous detail changes to the RTS (even to the stainless steel modules) that made the bus more complicated to build. So even though they were getting large orders like NYCT, NJ Transit, and Dallas DART, these RTSes didn't have the same integrity as their predecesors. When you get a reputation for building "on the cheap," people stay away.
As far as the bidding procedure, TAs generally create a list of specifications that are the featires they want in their next new bus. Manufacturers who feel they can meet those specs submit proposals to the TA outlining what they can do and what they would offer in compromise or negotiation for items they can't do. Final specs are then created by the TA and offered to the manufacturers who submitted proposals for a bid price. Federally funded TAs previously were required to accept the lowest price (except NYCT because of its size), but all TAs can now either take the low bid or negotiate a bid if they feel a higher-priced company offers a superior product.
Some item that certain TAs always request:
- NYCT always requires the front amber warning lights flanking the destination sign.
- NJT since 1996 has required the small round taillight pattern on all buses regardless of manufacturer.
- PAT in Pittsburgh requires a driver-controlled rear door instead of the push-type because their operation allows passengers to ENTER the bus at the back door.
These specs sound minor, but they actually prevent some manufacturers from even bothering to send bids.
MetroB
Also, did Nova kill the RTS because so few TA's ordered them in recent years?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
After the NJT and Dallas orders were completed, Nova received very few orders for the RTS. A few dozen here, a few dozen there from smaller TAs... that does not keep a production plant in operation - remember, GMC shut the line down several times in the mid 80s before they sold the RTS to MCI/TMC.
David
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
David
It all seems to have started on 9/9, with 4890 and 4891 being transferred over to E.N.Y. depot. Then today, 9/12, both 4669 and 4674 were transferred over to E.N.Y as well.
Yesterday, on 9/11, 4663 and 4672 were transferred over to Ulmer Park. It seems now they are receiving more junk to balance out the 10 9100's sent over from F.P. last month. I was told more 4600's will be heading over there as well.
Also , on 9/11 and 9/12, a total of 14 8500's rained into Fresh Pond from Gleason, bringing the total number of 8500's to 40. The incoming transferee's were: 8518, 8523, 8524, 8532, 8543, 8546, 8547, 8550, 8552, 8554, 8559, 8562, 8564 and 8565. Only 9 more 8500's remain at Gleason to be transferred over. I'm wondering if the few 8400's they have will be sent over as well.
Today I was told to place 4380, 4390 and 4552 on the hold line. They are being transferred over to Yukon on 9/14 and will not see any more Fresh Pond service after 9/12.
Right now the mission for Fresh Pond seems to be to get rid of all the remaining 4600's A.S.A.P. for some reason or another. Their number is dwindling rapidly and should be totally gone within another week or two. I'll keep posting the changes as they happen. I'm starting to get the feeling NYCT waits for Mark to post his roster on B/T to go ahead and make a bunch of major bus moves to throw everybody here into a tizzy.
BIG AL
--AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Oh well...
Mark
Here is what I currently have for FP's dreaded 1987 RTS's:
4659, 4665, 4666, 4676-4679, 4681, 4683, 4684, 4686, 4688, 4695, 4696, 4699, 4701, 4702, 4704-4710, 4712-4714, 4716-4725, 4728, 4729, 4731-4734, 4736-4740, 4745-4749, 4833. (54)
Let me know how close/far off I am, because I have you guys with a total of 258 buses which is WAY over what FP usually has.
Mark
Some more tidbits: 4676 might be down and out with a bad engine. It's been out of service now for a few days listed as "dead motor". It's not on the scrap list, so I'll let you now what happens with it.
4740 has been scrapped now for the last couple of weeks. It's engine blew over a month ago and the bus was already stripped and hauled off to Nimco or wherever it went.
Today, Saturday, the only move occured when the final 9100 out of the batch of 10 to Ulmer Park was shipped over there. 9177 has been out at the vendor and recently arrived back. It transferred over today. Other than that, it was a pretty quiet day in the Pond.
Tomorrow, Yukon will be recieving the 3 gifts from us I already mentioned in my main post.
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
This is Fresh Pond's payback for being dump with crap from other depots. Now its Fresh Pond's turn, and I won't feel bad for the other depots that get our 4600/4700.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
B1-#9102-NOVABUS
B64-#9096-NOVABUS
BIG AL
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
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As a rule, I don’t generally DL too many PDF maps just to save on hard disk space, but here’s your e-mail address for any volunteers…
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updated last week.
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Again, I aplologize.
P.S. There were a couple of interesting pictures on the Mr. Softee website, don't you think?
But those Helm's Bakery trucks were very, very unique.
Blitz 5227
GM 100
Grumman 236
GM 2969
Old Look 3100
Double decker 303
Mack 6259
This is to inform you that photos of the GRTC are now POSTED AND READY FOR VIEWING!!!
Please go to the following website to view them:
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Please note that TransitGallery isn't my website, I just post pictures there.
If anyone wishes to use these photos for any website, you may do so, but please (and I seriously mean PLEASE) give proper credits.
Of course, my name is Montigue "Barbeque" Magruder.
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Reguards,
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Go to galleries, then click on "Miami 1980", and check out the Flxible and GM BATWINGS!!!!!!! Hot, Hot, Hot!!!!!!!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The White Plains Loops (A, B, C, D, E, F, H) are focused on the employment centers away from the White Plains CBD, venturing several miles out to serve various office campuses along Westchester Avenue. (There's also a Loop G from North White Plains to the County Medical Center, and a Loop T from the Tarrytown station to offices along Route 119.)
BTW, the last time I was in White Plains, Loop E ran with full-size buses.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
I believe that the B-42 is shorter than the B-74
Thank You
In NY (my home city) there is the Q74 from Kew Gardens subway station to Queens College, maybe about two miles, primarily to provide service to the College and feeder service to the subway.
In SF, which I have visited many times, there is Muni's #39 Coit Tower route, which serves a specific destination that is also located atop a steep hill.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
I only know of a few short routes off-hand, like the S42 between St. George and New Brighton, the B42 between Rockaway Parkway and Canarsie Pier, the M35 from upper Harlem to Ward’s/Randall’s Islands…over across the Hudson, there is the independent Willow/Clinton shuttle in Hoboken, but apart from that, most routes around NYC and surrounding areas aren’t that short…
The East River. If it went across the Hudson, it'd be in New Jersey. Then it'd REALLY be lost! :-)
http://www.dpwt.com/TransSvcDiv/routelist/routes/map93.htm
1) Any takers?
2) I nominate the B6
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Incognito
time
m101 local
x1 express
Longest Green Lines Route(Both Roteing and time wise): Q60
Longest Jamaica Buses Route(Routeing wise): Q113
Longest Jamaica Buses Route(Time wise): QM21
Longest MTA Long Island Bus Route(Roteing wise): N19
Longest MTA Long Island Bus Route(Time wise): N22
Don't know about the others right now
Also, are you just comparing local buses? Because if you are including express buses (you indicated QM1A) then how on earth could the routing of a local bus (Q60, Q113) be longer than an express bus (QM17, QM21) when the express bus travels through two boroughs as compared to the local buses you indicated only travels through 1 borough?
The Q60 Travels from Queens to Manhattan and the Q113 Travels via Nassau County
The Q60, and Q44 are pretty long.
The M1 to South Ferry is long.
The B41 to Kings Plaza is long
The Bx12 is long, even longer when it goes to Orchard Beach.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
True but since the South Ferry portion is part time then the M3 or M101 would be the longest routes of Manhattan.
In the Bronx, I'm not sure, I'll say the Bx12
The Bx1 is longer than the Bx12 I'm sure. The Bx41 is also a frontrunner to be #1 in distance for the Bronx but it was shortened to 148 St that's why I include the 1.
The Bx12 goes on a straight line. The Bx40/42 instead angles toward a Southeastern direction making the route longer than it really is. At the Manhattan end, the B12 goes over a bridge and ends a few blocks away while the 40/42 may still be in the Bronx, but it zig-zags at the Sedgwick section of the route.
The B44 is a close call and it might be longer than the B15 but it's a tough call.
For all-local service, it's gotta be NJT #313 and #315. Both run from Cape May to Philadelphia (90 miles or so), with flag-stops along the way.
As part of route restructuring in the Norristown area back in 1999 or 2000, the 98 was split - the portion between Oaks and Norristown was partially absorbed by a re-routed 99 and new route 131; the Norristown-Willow Grove portion remained the 98.
AFA present operations go, I'd have to guess that the 1 between Academy Rd/Red Lion Rd and 54 St/City Av would be longest in mileage, but it operates as a limited stop between Hunting Park/Wissahickon (Venango Loop) and Roosevelt Blvd/Pratt St (though some trips run limited stops from Cottman Av); some peak hour trips operate as far as Southampton Rd to Byberry Industrial Park, but start as Wissahickon Transfer Center. The 55 between Olney and Doylestown may be the longest in the City Division; I won't hazard a guess on the suburbs just yet...
September Bus Schedule Changes
Nothing else
steve
FDNY
MaBSTOA Bronx: Bx18
MaBSTOA Manhattan: M35
NYCTA Queens: Q74
NYCTA Brooklyn: B42, B74
NYCTA Staten Island: S42, S60
NYCDOT: Q22A, Q69 (I think this one is discontinued)
Now, for some short routes in other places:
Bee-Line: #23 (From Getty Square to Warburton Ave, not too far from the Liberty Lines Express garage and the Welfare Center; btw, this route is dubbed the Welfare Shuttle)
NJ Transit: #305 (The Liberty State Park shuttle)
Any more?
Incognito
Is this the one you mean?
MetroB
The “old-look” buses were bad imitations of the PCC car’s look, the streetcar itself having a nice rounded front and rear by contrast (or two fronts in the case of double-end PCCs). The Nova’s look seems to be restoring at least one aspect of that, plus adding proper front-end aerodynamics…
I don't think it matters when your average speed is something like 20 mph. Rounding the front or back of a transit bus is wasted headroom, in my opinion.
Mike
I agree - that slanted front is the biggest flaw in the RTS design. It's no surprise that the later 'WFD' redesign used a less-severe slant to gain extra space in the front for the wheelchair lift.
Jim D.
Took the 4 to 138th, inheriting a huge crowd from a 6 going out of service at 125th. Many signs and personnel at 138th were directing people to the buses, which were lined up on the west side of the Concourse north of 138th. It seemed like mostly Novas from Kingsbridge, Manhattanville and ENY(!), with a few '93 Orion from either Hale or Amsterdam. There were even some '93 and '94 RTS from Gleason and Ulmer Park respectively. Dispatchers were clearly indicating which buses were local and express. Wishing the express, I just missed a '93 Gleason, but got 8903 out of ENY (I think?).
We headed out 138th, which enabled me to see that neighborhood on the surface for the first time. Someone rang the bell for Brook Avenue, and the driver let him off and others on. Same thing at Cypress. We made the left on Bruckner, then beared left on Southern instead of continuing straight on Bruckner to much passenger protest. The driver then announced we were going local. Thanks loads.
He then passed 143rd, despite people having rang the bell. He turned right on 144th (!), let them out, then was forced to turn right (south) back down Bruckner. After some coaching from the audience, he turned right (north) back up Southern. In the meantime, several buses that had been behind us at the Concourse passed us. I even noticed a bus passing by overhead on the expressway with what looked like people inside. That could've only been a super express to Parkchester: up the expressway to White Plains Road, then to Westchester and Grant Circle. Seems they should've just had the express do that in the first place, like they had successfully with the 2/5.
We took on people at 149th, Leggett(!) and Longwood, and let people off at another intermediate street- which shows you how utterly confused the driver was. It was getting late and rainy, and I figured we'd continue to run local to Parkchester via very crowded, el pillar-laden Westchester Avenue, so I bailed at Hunts Point. A lot of other very angry people did to get the BX5.
I then got a BX6 to Yankee Stadium. This was also new territory for me, and a very interesting, hilly ride. A pleasant surprise was going through the tunnel under the Concourse instead of the usual painfully slow wait at the service road lights. A sign at 161st & Morris had the 6 and 13. Wasn't the 13 cut back from Washington to River Avenue some time ago?
This was my first time in the Bronx since the big depot realignment, and I got to see RTS (mostly 1990-'91) on unfamiliar routes BX6, 15 and 19- even though the '99 Orion I rode on the 6 was obviously still out of Hale or Amsterdam. There was a Manhattan bus map behind the driver.
Apparently, they don't brief drivers very well for these subway shuttles, because I've ridden others on which the passengers had to give the drivers directions. Some years ago, an F bus shuttle between Coney and Kings made it all the way to Emmons & Bedford before we set the driver straight. Many drivers concede they're never even given written instructions. One driver on a Rockaway shuttle didn't have THAT, just a folding street map like you used to get in gas stations with the (incorrect) route traced in magic marker.
If I weren't going to the Transit Museum tomorrow, I would run up to Parkchester to see if it's any smoother sailing downtown. Somehow I doubt it.
For one thing, I don't know why that 6 train went out of service at 125th. All 6 trains were supposed to run up the Jerome line, running in service to Woodlawn. (Perhaps the 6 wasn't out of service but the C/R announced that your 5 would be leaving first, so everyone rushed across to save a few minutes.)
A few passengers on my express bus (out of Flatbush) wanted local stops, but the driver announced that he was going express to Hunts Point. We ran up the Bruckner service road to Tiffany (yes, that Tiffany) and lost a lot of time getting over to Hunts Point and back. At the Hunts Point Drawbridge, our driver, still on the service road, stopped for a minute, apparently confused, but he found his way to Parkchester with little difficulty. The ride back was much faster, since we just stopped at Hunts Point on the Bruckner, although I would have preferred if expresses in both directions bypassed HP.
Incidentally, you saw Amsterdam decals (as did I), but Amsterdam is no more. I assume the new West Farms decal hasn't been applied yet to many buses.
The former KB & GH buses there also have toehir old decals on the buses. Its real funny how they still haven't came up with a design :-\.
I also saw a bus with an Amsterdam decal on the Q44. It's not just West Farms, apparently.
JD
The buses with batwings were:
(all GM's were TDH-5303 models)
MaBSTOA
#3472
#s 5516-5525
(these two groups had the green standee windows under the wings)
#s 6701-6900
#s 8301-8780 (these also had ac)
# 7753 (Flxible model 53102-6-1; also had ac)
# 631 (Grumman "870" model 53102-6-1)
NYCTA
#s 8001-8202 (these also had ac)
#s 8829-8878 (these also had ac)
I've heard that at least one RTS was equipped with wings as an experiment but did not last long.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Batwings really didn't add much in terms of height because the signs extended down over the standee windows. When the ADBs were introduced, that was no longer possible because now the main windows went to standee height and were top-hinged for emergency exits. The one NYCT Flx 870 that was "winged" had signs that were only half the vertical height of the New Look signs because of this.
Regards,
Mark Valera
www.transitalk.org
Does anyone remember this? Any info will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
(The only info I have is an ad clipping from a magazine or newspaper. It has no date
Peace,
ANDEE
Either that is a really funny joke, or it makes so much sense.
Or as Qtraindash7 would say, not running!
MetroB
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The best pics of all is when you go and see for yourself ;-)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Any help would be appreciated.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
MetroB
So Lincoln shows the yellow milkshake sign (inside joke) and it was so funny LOL. Anyway we see 2 or 3 O5s in a row on the B65 and we see 9144 on the B57 then we left at 1:15pm. So we took a ride to NJ [Lincolns hair got caught in the door ;-D] first then we hopped onto R&T MCI 1156 and he had to do a release so we were on that and THIS IS A BUS! :-D We run on 2 way streets dominated with wooded areas (with some shops). Bus had the old, nostalgic smell and we had a classic coach bus so when all of that is done we make our way onto the Garden State Parkway and we go 74mph on the 2 lane highway and then all of a sudden we get a scare when we hear some beeping and then we realized that the engine temp went up to 220! and we feared the worst so Trevor pulled into a pit stop but then everything was ok so we continue the trip to Spring Valley and then we arrive and have to make a bus change. So then we see a Gillig and the front sign is not working so its a paper sign all the way :-\. He pulls into the lane doors already opened and the reactions was priceless!
We switch up on RC161 to do our trip o the 94 and as from what Ozzy and Trevor have told me beforehand, very few people got on the bus. We get on the Gillig, it has the same engine and transmission as a C40LF and of course we were going at high speed at many moments and when it got above 50mph it sounded like a 1999 Nova [this has a DD50]. So then there was this lady who had remained on the bus and she looked kind of lost or something. So then Trevor pulls the brake and asks her where she is going & she tells us she was going to Hayes Hospital so then he explains to her that his run doesnt go there anymore and we had to backtrack all the way back to the hospital to be nice so she wouldnt be stranded. Went back let her go then we were alone and then you know the familiar result, sharp turns, high speed and loads of talking shit with each other. So we do one round trip so far and no one gets on completing the RT then its around 4:30pm and we stop over at a 7 Eleven got us some food and while we were there Ozzy makes a sandwich melt since he kept it in the microwave too long & like of it evaporated. He got a new one and followed the directions this time then we head back to the bus and our ride continues on the 94 and we did our route and did some next shit..so then we make our way to a college and picked up 2 students that were heading home and the bus had the lights out and it was cloudy. As usual these people in the burbs drive the same, UNDER the speed limit. Anyway we roll along the streets and we hit 55-60mph along the way and that engine was screaming alright! One of the passengers got off and we pick up a few along the ay then the last person to go was one of the students then once again it was back to you know what! Then we complete part of the second RT and were heading back towards the terminal and he makes the Gillig dance and then we roll down empty streets and we clocked in at 68mph as our top speed for the day and boy my first ride on a Gillig is certainly memorable! :-D
We decide to get daring and sit in the backseats and at times all of us would experience his driving from the back and it was worse than being in the front and Shawn really leaned when he made a sweet 360 in this lot with the doors open where it was the last stop for us and BOOM made a sudden stop! We were chillin in the bus for a minute then we go about our way to complete the second roundtrip and the ridership was at 0 so the fun continued then we rumble down an open road, getting the few green lights that were on the road and went 65mph and it sounded just like a Nova and we made some real sharp turns along the way to get ready to do our 3rd round trip. So then were y ourselves for a good portion so far then a Mexican family boards our bus and the lights were out so then the traffic was getting more infrequent which led to having more open roads and he took full advantage of it!. We go down this hill at 68mph and they were with us for most of the way until they got off at their stop and we made our way back to Spring Valley to take a connecting bus to PABT to make our way home. We get on MCI 8877 on the 11A and the B/O is very good along the way, especially via the NJ Turnpike but I wont jump ahead just yet. We get about 20 passengers along the way the majority heading to the PABT and is pretty comparable to Trevor (minus the crazy turns & dancing). Then this guy tried to board the bus with a $50 bill and the driver tells him he wont change it so he was stuck :-P. We went on Route 4 and made a couple of stops, turned on Grand then made our way to the NJ Turnpike and onto the Lincoln Tunnel and the tunnel was a breeze into the city then we got off bought some food inside the PABT then we go along our separate ways. So its 9:35 & I go to the Q at Times Sq but then I remembered that it was running local on Broadway and through the tunnel so I go to the 7 Av line and I run for the train and I get on a R62 3. Felt a little strange but was a fast ride on the 7 Av express and rode it to Atlantic Av where I get off to catch the Q and the R68 Q was arriving so I get on that then I take the B8 home, concluding my trip at 10:15pm.
R46 5983 (F)
R&T MCI 1156 OOS
TOR Gillig RC161 #94
R&T MCI 8877 #11A
R62 1400 (3)
R68 2879 (Q)
NF 933 B8
What do those buses use for power? Sounds like something a Cummins would do.
"boards our bus and the lights were out so then the traffic was getting more infrequent "
Power outage? We got some nasty brief downpours here, perhaps that was the cause of the outage? I remember when a thunderstorm knocked out all the lights on 25a between Shelter Rock Rd and the Locusts, and we flew down the road. Sure makes you wonder why the lights are even needed. :-0
Trevor
At least we suburban drivers follow the rules of the road more so than in the city and trust me, we do go above the speed limit plenty!
RESPECT THE TOYOTA SIENNA, VOLVO S80, AND VOLVO 940!!!
;-)
Wayne
-Larry
Some were painted overall yellow with black stripes on the front and labeled "Snow Fighter" or "Snow Bus".
He used to take me to work with him betwwen the ages of 9/13 years old. (it was a lot more friendly organization in those days)
I remmember "THE SNOWFIGHTERS" vividly. They were usually OOS
Mack C-49s with the floor cut out, painted yellow, and an auger added, to spread the salt.
Peace,
ANDEE
Peace,
ANDEE
It's a pleasure to be amongst those who care to remember the nostalgia of the NYCTA.. nowliving upstate, folks like that are hard to find. As a JHS student in Eastern Queens, we used to ride the 'Old Look'GM's to school in about '67, followed by 'New Look' and Flxibles..even though they were slower, and didn't ride as smoothly, I loved the 'Old Look' GM's best (especially on a freezing cold mornig, when they were so warm inside!). My buddies and I often befriended the drivers, and had loads of questions for them. Most of them were great guys and excellent drivers, too. Truthfully, I hated to get off the bus and go to class!
I wonder how many of you were as crazy about those buses of the 50's and 60's as I was?
Thanks again.. this was fun...talk to you again sometime.
Does anyone know if there were modern day 'Snow Fighter' buses, or is the TA using trucks? Were the 'Old Look' the last of the breed? I never saw anything more modern...(I think most of the questions are out of my system now..at least for this topic!)
BIG AL
* Notes: If a (A) appears next to a route that means that this route sees occasional articulated service. Bold Font means that this is an Soft Seat Coach.
September 14th, 2003
2002 MCI D4500 Cruiser #2912 on Broadway @ Park Row on the X25.
TA Queens Division
CASEY STENGEL DEPOT
123-53 Willets Point Boulevard, Flushing NY, 11368
Routes: Q12, Q13, Q14, Q15, Q16, Q26, Q27, Q28, Q32 (w/MJQ), Q44/20, Q48, Q74, Q76, X32 (w/QV), X51
Number of Buses: 232 (218 Orion, 11 MCI, 3 New Flyer)
2000 NF D45SHF: 996-998. (3X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2897-2907. (11X)
1993 Orion V: 101-119, 122, 138, 144, 146, 154, 227-232, 256-316. (91)
1994 Orion V: 400-401. (2)
1995 Orion V: 404, 425, 452-456, 535-542, 544-580. (53)
1996 Orion V: 631-680. (50)
1999 Orion V: 6120-6141. (22)
Stengel Out of Service: 541, 542.
JAMAICA DEPOT
165-18 South Road, Jamaica NY, 11436
Routes: Q3, Q4, Q5, Q17, Q42, Q77, Q84, Q85, X63, X64
Number of Buses: 192 (29 MCI, 163 RTS)
2002 MCI D4500: 2850-2878. (29)
1984-85 GM RTS: 3469, 4019. (2)
1986 GM RTS: PA4333-PA4336, PA4340, PA4344, 4345-4347, 4352, 4484, 4499, 4555, 4558-4561, 4564, 4568-4571, 4575-4577, 4579-4582, 4584, 4585, 4589, 4590, 4594. (34)
1996 Nova RTS: 8939-8978, 9051, 9053-9056, 9065, 9070, 9072-9073, 9262-9269, 9278-9281, 9285, 9291, 9345-9349. (68)
1998 Nova RTS: 9535-9568. (34)
1999 Nova RTS: 5145-5169. (25)
Jamaica Out of Service: None.
Museum: 1059 (1961 GMC)
QUEENS VILLAGE DEPOT
222-22 97 Avenue, Queens Village NY, 11429
Routes: Q1, Q2, Q30, Q31, Q36, Q43, Q46, Q75, Q79, Q83, Q88, X32(w/CS), X68
Number of Buses: 244 (18 MCI, 50 Orion, 176 RTS)
2002 MCI D4500: 2879-2896. (18X)
1995 Orion V: 505-534, 611-630. (30, 20X)
1990 TMC RTS: 8352, 8355-8396. (43)
1996 GM RTS Reman: 7001-7016, 7018-7037. (36)
1996 Nova RTS: 9250-9251, 9252, 9253, 9254-9255, 9256, 9257-9258, 9259-9261, 9286-9290, 9292-9294. (20)
1998 Nova RTS: 9350-9381. (32)
1999 Nova RTS: 4900-4944. (45)
Village Out of Service: 510, 4429 (Scrap), 4501 (Scrap), 7004, 7021, 8360.
Museum: 3100 (1956 GMC), 100 (1959 GMC), 5117 (1964 Flxible), 4727(1970 Flxible)
2003 New Flyer D60HF "Galaxy" Articulated #5545 on Lexington Ave @ 101st St Entering the 100th Street Depot.
TA Brooklyn Division
EAST NEW YORK DEPOT
1 Jamaica Avenue, Brooklyn NY 11206
Routes: B7, B12, B14, B15, B17, B20 (w/FP), B25, B42, B45, B51, B60, B82, B83, Q24, Q56
Number of Buses: 285 (All RTS)
1986 GM RTS: 4359, 4360, 4393, 4394, 4408, 4410, 4411, 4413, 4414, 4417, 4418, 4420, 4421, 4422, 4424, 4425, 4428, 4430, 4431, 4543. (21)
1987 TMC RTS: 4629, 4631-4635, 4637, 4638, 4641-4642, 4669, 4674, 4872, 4890-4891. (16)
1990 TMC RTS: 8090-8097, 8100-8129, 8340-8350. (49)
1994 TMC RTS: 8690-8703. (14)
1996 Nova RTS: 8899-8923, 8925, 8927-8929, 8931-8936, 8938, 9030-9033, 9035, 9036, 9040-9041, 9052, 9057-9064, 9066-9069, 9071, 9074-9076. (62)
1999 Nova RTS: 4945-5024, 5205-5249. (125)
ENY Out of Service: 4416 (Scrap), 8923 (Accident).
NYPD Service: PA1712, 3922.
Museum: 303 (1917 Double Decker)
Training: 4949
FLATBUSH DEPOT
4901 Fillmore Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11234
Routes: B2, B31, B41, B44, B46, B47, B49
Number of Buses: 279 (All RTS)
1985 GM RTS: 4214, 4215. (2)
1986 GM RTS: PA4301, PA4302, 4437, 4439, 4440, 4441, 4444, 4446, 4450, 4464. (10)
1987 TMC RTS: 4600, 4602, 4604, 4614, 4616, 4618-4628, 4654-4657. (20)
1990 TMC RTS: 8018-8032, 8045, 8066, 8073-8074, 8088, 8130, 8137-8138, 8140, 8142-8146, 8148-8150, 8154, 8156, 8159, 8162-8165, 8317-8339. (62)
1993 TMC RTS: 8401-8439, 8441, 8443-8444, 8447-8448. (44)
1997 GM RTS Reman: 7000, 7500-7510. (12)
1998 Nova RTS: 9382-9458. (77)
1999 Nova RTS: 5075-5124. (50)
Flatbush Out of Service: 4469 (Scrap), 4602, 4627, 8143 (Engine).
Training: 5080, 5084, 8026, 8324, 8337
FRESH POND DEPOT
6699 Fresh Pond Road, Ridgewood, NY 11385
Routes: B13, B20 (w/ENY), B24, B26, B38, B39, B48, B52, B54, B57, Q54, Q55, Q58, Q59
Number of Buses: 256 (All RTS)
1987 TMC RTS: 4659, 4666, 4676-4679, 4681, 4683, 4684, 4686, 4688, 4695, 4696, 4699, 4701, 4702, 4704-4710, 4712-4714, 4716-4725, 4728, 4729, 4731-4734, 4736-4739, 4745-4749, 4833. (52)
1990 TMC RTS: 8000-8017, 8131-8136, 8139, 8141, 8147, 8151-8153, 8155, 8157-8158, 8160-8161, 8166-8171. (41)
1993 TMC RTS: 8518, 8520-8524, 8526-8532, 8534-8539, 8541, 8543, 8546-8547, 8549-8550, 8552-8566. (41)
1996 Nova RTS: 9140-9175. (36)
1998 Nova RTS: 9459-9487, 9569-9605. (66)
1999 Nova TS: 5055-5074. (20)
Pond Out of Service: 4715 (Stored).
NYC Mobile Bus Command Center: 4149 (1985 RTS-04)
Training: 8131, 8141, 8169, 9591.
JACKIE GLEASON DEPOT
871 5th Avenue, Brooklyn NY, 11232
Routes: B8, B9, B11, B16, B23, B35, B37, B43, B61, B63, B65, B67, B68, B69, B70, B71, B75, B77
Number of Buses: 322 (190 New Flyer, 96 Orion, 35 RTS)
1999 NF C40LF: 800-856. (57)
2000 NF C40LF: 857-989. (133)
1994 Orion V CNG: 317. (1)
1995 Orion V CNG: 581-610. (30)
2002 Orion VII CNG: 7560, 7563, 7565-7574, 7576-7623, 7625-7629. (65)
1987 TMC RTS: 4643-4651, 4658, 4660, 4664, 4667, 4668, 4671, 4673, 4682, 4693-4694. (19)
1993 TMC RTS: 8449, 8450, 8453, 8455-8457, 8460, 8519, 8525, 8533, 8540, 8542, 8544, 8545, 8548, 8551. (16)
Gleason Out of Service: 908, 909, 965, 7560 (@ Orion)
Metrocard Sales Service: 1291, PA2504 (Two 1981 GM RTS-04)
Training: 949, 8518, 8519.
Museum: 1201 (1981 GMC RTS), 2969/4789 (1948 GMC), 3758 (1963 GMC), 5227/4401 (1970 GMC), 6259 (1956 Mack), 8466 (1966 GMC), 8928 (1968 GMC).
Hospital Audiences Service: PA1848, 4219
ULMER PARK DEPOT
2449 Harway Avenues, Brooklyn NY, 11214
Routes: B1, B3, B4, B6, X25, X27/37, X28/38, X29, B36, B64, B74, F Train Shuttle
Number of Buses: 293 (112 MCI, 181 RTS)
2000 MCI D4500: 2755-2804. (50X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2165-2209. (45X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2908-2924. (17X)
1985 GM RTS: 3962, 3969, 3970. (3)
1986 GM RTS: PA4330-PA4332, 4452, 4458, 4468, 4497. (7)
1987 TMC RTS: 4663, 4672, 4756, 4759, 4760, 4762, 4764, 4665, 4767, 4769, 4771, 4772, 4774, 4775, 4777-4783, 4785-4787, 4789, 4790, 4792, 4854, 4855, 4857-4863, 4865-4867, 4869, 4871, 4874. (42)
1994 TMC RTS: 8671-8689. (20)
1996-98 GM RTS Reman: 7512, 7513, 7516, 7518-7526, 7528, 7531-7534. (18)
1996 Nova RTS: 9077-9110, 9176-9185, 9295-9341. (91)
Ulmer Out of Service: 2185 (WTC Damage) 2763 (Accident), 4768 (Scrap), 9317.
Training: 8678, 8679, 9100, 9302.
Museum: 236 (1980 Grumman)
BUSES STORED IN BROOKLYN
CARLTON YARD
Carlton Avenue & Atlantic Avenue, Brooklyn
40 Buses
RTS & Orions: 473, 3918, 3986, 3995, 4045, 4116, 4141, 4217, PA4300, PA4307, PA4327, 4379, 4433, 4445, 4478, 4479, 4483, 4537, 4605, 4680, 4703, 4711, 4730, 4765, 4794, 4812, 4815, 7511, 7514, 7515, 7517, 7527, 7529, 7535, 7541, 7555, 8206, 8223, 8226, 8273.
MCI: 1908, 1936, 2100, 2139, 2161.
CROSSTOWN STORAGE YARD
Commercial & Box Streets, Brooklyn
26 Buses
RTS & Orions: 3503, 3529 (Scrap), 3893, 3907, 3920, 4115, 4145, 4163, 4165, 4198, 4218, PA4308, PA4309, PA4319, PA4320, PA4324, PA4325, 4362, 4461, 4508, 4538, 4548, 4811, 4813, 4873, 4877, 4883, 4886.
1994 NovaBUS RTS Model T80-206 #9029 on Church Street by Ground Zero on the M6.
TA Staten Island Division
CASTLETON DEPOT
1390 Castleton Avenue, Staten Island, NY, 10310
Routes: S40/90, S42, S44/94, S46/96, S48/98, S51/81, S52, S53/93, S54, S57, S59, S60, S62/92, S66/67, S74, S76, S78, X10/11, X12/42, X13, X14, X16, X18, X20, X30
Number of Buses: 344 (235 Orion, 109 MCI)
1993 Orion V: 129-132, 134, 137, 139, 162, 165, 166-172. (16X)
1995 Orion V: 471-472, 474-504. (33)
1999 Orion V: 6142-6326. (185)
1998 MCI 102DL3: 1990-1997, 1999-2039. (49X)
1999 MCI 102DL3: 2040-2074. (35X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2825-2849. (25X)
Castle Out of Service: 168, 2014 (Accident), 6204, 6291.
NYPD Service: 3307 (1986 GMC-RTS 06 #4505, Stored @ Pouch Terminal)
YUKON DEPOT
40 Yukon Avenue, Staten Island NY, 10314
Routes: S55/56, S61/91, S79, X1-9, X15, X17/19, X21/22, X31
Number of Buses: 366 (290 MCI, 30 Orion, 46 RTS)
1993 Orion V: 121, 123-128. (7X)
1999 Orion V: 6327-6349. (23)
1998 MCI 102DL3: 1860-1989. (130X)
1999 MCI 102DL3: 2075-2139. (65X)
2000 MCI D4500: 2705-2754. (50X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2140-2164. (25X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2805-2824. (20X)
1985 GM RTS: 3901, 3949, 3960, 3972, 4129. (5)
1986 GM RTS: PA4342, 4380, 4390, 4552. (4)
1987 TMC RTS: 4741, 4742, 4743, 4744, 4753, 4754, 4755, 4893-4897. (11)
1990 TMC RTS: 8293-8315. (23)
1996 GM RTS Reman: 7017. (1)
Yukon Out of Service: 1908, 1936, 2100, 2139, 2161 (To MCI), 3972.
Training: 8299, 8300.
Museum: 2151 (1962 GMC), 7340 (1973 Flxible)
1995 Orion 05.501 #466 on Southern Boulevard on the Bx19.
TA Manhattan Division
126 STREET DEPOT 2460 2nd Avenue, New York, NY 10035
Standard Routes: M31, M57 (A), M66, M116 (A)
Artic Routes: M15, M35
Number of Buses: 206 (159 RTS, 47 New Flyer)
1987 TMC RTS: 4795, 4797, 4798, 4799, 4801, 4802, 4803, 4805, 4806, 4809, 4810, 4814, 4817-4819, 4821, 4822, 4825, 4826, 4829, 4835, 4841, 4842, 4844, 4845, 4848-4851, 4878. (28)
1990 TMC RTS: 8173, 8212-8220, 8222, 8225, 8227, 8229, 8232-8233, 8236-8242, 8244-8247, 8249, 8255, 8257, 8285, 8288-8289, 8351, 8353-8354. (43)
1993 TMC RTS: 8440, 8442, 8445, 8446, 8451, 8452, 8454, 8458-8459, 8461-8517. (66)
1996-98 GM RTS Reman: 7038-7049, 7536, 7538, 7540, 7545, 7547, 7548, 7552, 7553, 7557, 7558. (22)
2002 NF D60HF: 5594-5640. (47)
126th Out of Service: 7546 (Scrap).
Training: 8454, 8458
1999 Orion 05.501 #6100 on Claremont Parkway exiting Crotona Park on the Bx11.
OA Manhattan Division
100th STREET DEPOT
1552 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10036
Artic Routes: M101-103
Number of Buses: 97 (All New Flyer)
1997 NF D60HF: 1000-1028. (29)
2002 NF D60HF: 5526-5593. (68)
Out of Service: None.
Training: 1025.
MANHATTANVILLE DEPOT
666 West 133rd Street, New York, NY 10027
Routes: M2, M3, M4, M5, M10, M11, M18, M104
Number of Buses: 266 (261 RTS, 5 Orion)
1998 Orion VI HEV: 6350-6353. (4)
2000 Orion VI HEV: 6359. (1)
1990 TMC RTS: 8250, 8252-8253, 8256, 8258-8261, 8263-8264, 8266, 8269, 8270, 8272, 8275, 8276, 8282-8284, 8286, 8290-8292. (23)
1995 Nova RTS: 8750-8751. (2)
1996 Nova RTS: 8752-8806. (55)
1998 Nova RTS: 9488-9534, 9606-9654. (96)
1999 Nova RTS: 5025-5054, 5125-5144, 5170-5204. (85)
Manhattanville Out of Service: 4486 (Storage), 4494 (Storage), 4509 (Storage).
Museum: 1000/8602 (1966 Blitz/GMC), 7144 (1956 GMC), 9098 (1956 GMC).
Training: 5134, 8800, 9488, 9618.
MICHAEL J. QUILL DEPOT
525 11th Avenue, New York, NY 10036
Standard Routes: M6, M8, M9, M14, M16/34, M20, M21, M22, M27/50, M30, M42, M72, M96/106, M98, Q32 (w/CS), X26, X90/92
Artic Routes: M23, M79, M86
Number of Buses: 311 (216 RTS, 60 New Flyer, 25 Orion)
1997 NF D60HF: 1029-1069. (41)
1998 NF D60HF: 1070-1071. (2)
1999 NF D60HF: 5407, 5509. (2)
2002 NF D60HF: 5511-5525. (15)
1993 Orion V: 120, 133, 135-136, 140-143, 145, 147-153, 155-161, 163-164. (25X)
1990 TMC RTS: 8178-8179, 8191, 8198, 8200, 8202-8204, 8207-8209, 8221, 8224, 8228, 8230-8231, 8234-8235, 8243, 8251, 8254, 8262, 8265, 8267-8268, 8271, 8274, 8277-8281, 8287. (33)
1994 TMC RTS: 8600-8670. (71)
1996 Nova RTS: 8924, 8926, 8979-9029, 9034, 9037-9039, 9042-9050, 9186-9228, 9270-9272, 9273, 9274-9277, 9282-9284, 9342-9344. (108, 14X)
Quill Out of Service: None.
Training: 1056, 8600, 8601, 8643, 8662.
1990-91 TMC RTS Model T80-206 #8050 on Southern Boulevard on the Bx19.
OA Bronx Division
GUN HILL DEPOT
1910 Bartow Avenue, Bronx NY, 10469
Standard Routes: BX25/26, BX28 (A), BX29, BX30, BX34
Artic Routes: BX4, BX5, BX12, BX22, BX39, BX40/42
Number of Buses: 256 (174 New Flyer, 40 Orion, 41 RTS)
1999 NF D60HF: 5250-5406, 5408-5424. (174)
1993 Orion V: 173-212. (40)
1984-85 GM RTS: 3474, 3965. (2)
1986 GM RTS: PA4326, 4367, 4399, 4400, 4402, 4510. (6)
1990 TMC RTS: 8049. (1)
1996 TMC RTS: 8888-8898, 9229-9249. (32)
Gun Hill Out of Service: 3906 (Stored), 4145 (Stored), 8052 (Stored), 8065 (Stored).
Museum: 2124 (1938 Yellow Coach Double Decker)
Training: PA2342 (1981 GMC RTS), 5250, 8342.
KINGSBRIDGE DEPOT
4065 10th Avenue, New York NY, 10034
Standard Routes: BX3 (A), BX7, BX10, BX13, BX16, BX18, BX20, BX32, M100
Artic Routes: BX1, BX2, BX9, BX41
Number of Buses: 253 (131 RTS, 122 New Flyer)
1998 NF D60HF: 1072-1109. (38)
1999 NF D60HF: 5425-5508. (84)
1986 GM RTS: 4449. (1)
1987 TMC RTS: 4611, 4612, 4843, 4853. (4)
1996 Nova RTS: 8807-8887. (81)
1998 Nova RTS: 9655-9699. (45)
Bridge Out of Service: 3562 (Scrap), 4404 (Scrap), 4517 (Scrap), 4615 (Scrap), 5492 (Accident).
Training: 8854-8856, 9655.
MOTHER CLARA HALE DEPOT
721 Lenox Avenue, New York NY, 10039
Routes: M1, M7, M60, BX33
Number of Buses: 97 (91 Orion V, 5 Orion VI, 1 Orion VII)
1993 Orion V: 213-226, 233-255. (37)
1999 Orion V: 6000-6053. (54)
1999 Orion VI HEV: 6354. (1)
2000 Orion VI HEV: 6355-6358. (4)
2002 Orion VII HEV: 6365. (1)
Hale Out of Service: None.
Training: 240, 250, 6010, 6028.
WEST FARMS DEPOT
1100 E.177th St, Bronx NY
Routes: BX6, BX8, BX11, BX14, BX15, BX17, BX19, BX21, BX27, BX31, BX35, BX36
Number of Buses: 248 (128 Orion V, 3 Orion VII CNG, 117 RTS)
1995 Orion V: 402-403, 405-424, 426-451, 457-470. (62)
1999 Orion V: 6054-6119. (66)
2002 Orion VII: 7562, 7564, 7575. (3)
1986 GM RTS: 4451, 4453. (2)
1987 TMC RTS: 4609. (1)
1990 TMC RTS: 8033-8036, 8038-8044, 8046-8048, 8050-8051, 8053-8064, 8067-8072, 8076-8087, 8089, 8172, 8174-8177, 8180-8190, 8192-8197, 8199, 8201, 8205, 8210-8211. (72)
1996 Nova RTS: 8930, 8937, 9111-9139. (31)
1997 GM RTS Reman: 7537, 7539, 7542-7544, 7549-7551, 7554, 7559. (10)
Farms Out of Service: 4520 (Scrap).
Training: 461, 6070, 8034.
Roster by TransiTALK Member Mark H.
Photos & Post by TransiTALK Member Trevor L.
Enjoy!
If so, what depot will they be assigned to & when will they start arriving.
I cant believe he contributed something. :) Way to go!
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Kevin
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David
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Kevin
BIG AL
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David
However, the name of the depot is "Queens Village" - 2 separate words. Not "Queensvillage" or "Queensville" (as your supervisors have indicated numerous times on their portable marking board). You'd think that OP could get the name of the depot right.
Mark
As for the name of the bus stop, I think it's Fred. ;-)
In Flushing, I believe the Q27 begins its run on Main Street, southbound, between 39th Avenue and Roosevelt Avenue, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
The Q27 starts just behind it, in front of some music store (I think it's called "Coconuts").
B15,B24,B39,B43,B48,B57,B61 & Q59.
Any comments, please post them.
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
The first one is #509, a 35-foot AM General bus. The photo is a broadside view of the left side of the bus as it makes a right-hand turn, so the destination sign can't be seen. The bus is under some highway ramps, not too far from the state capitol area.
The second photo is #435, a 35-foot Flxible bus. The front destination sign reads '8-KENWOOD-MT. HOPE' and the bus is on Green St. near Plum St.
The third photo is #536, a 40-foot AM General. The front sign is '55 ALBANY' and bus is in downtown Albany just down the street from the State Capitol building.
All three buses have a white paint scheme with unpainted aluminum sides, a yellow band circling around the windshield, a thin blue band going all the way around the bus just above the aluminum, and a wide blue band coming diagonally down from the roof at the front of the bus and joining the thin blue band down along the sides. All three have the modern CDTA logo on the side of the bus, but #536 has a funky-looking older CDTA logo on the front.
I plan to get a slide scanner some day, so I'll be sure to post these photos when I do, as well as some more recent CDTA photos I took on a trip to Albany, Schenectady and Troy back in July 1999.
One more thing. This board is not only a place to ask questions, but also can be an excellent place to see what is going on in other cities. You can help us out here by posting your observations about what you see going on at CDTA. Next time you have a chance, write down some bus numbers that you see and the routes the buses are running on and post that information here. For example, I'm sure there are some folks here (myself included) who are interested in knowing if CDTA still has Orion I buses in service, or what routes the 35-foot NABI buses operate on, etc. Writing down bus numbers is how I got my start as a bus fan, probably when I was around your age.
Jim D.
I think what your friend at the CDTA meant to say about #630 is that it was the first Orion I 40-footer built. The information I have about Orion production shows that 630 to 657 were built in June 1984, and that CDTA actually received a batch of 36-footers from Orion earlier that year (numbers 700 to 776). Buses 360 to 369 were built in April 1991 - I'm surprised that only two are left.
By the way, if you go to the 'Northeast Bus and Rail Gallery' website, there is a CDTA roster that shows all of the buses the agency has operated since the beginning - the link to the rosters page is at - http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/nebuses/rosters/ - it also shows where CDTA sold some of it's old GMC and Flxible New Look buses to. You'll see that some of the GMC's were sold to Crystal Transport and Sea Shore Bus. Both of those compnaies operated in the Boston area where I'm from, and I have pictures of some of those buses in the mid to late 1980's after they were repainted into their new paint schemes.
As I mentioned before, when I get a scanner, I'll post some CDTA photos. My 1999 photos were taken on a Saturday visit and are mostly Orion VI's and Nova LFS's, but I did catch a few Orion I's out that day.
How am i now with this posting?
You're doing better. The best thing to do is not to ask too many questions, and to keep sharing the bus information that you have, even if it's just occasional CDTA observations. Let us know if any new buses show up, or if CDTA publishes a new map (some of us here collect bus maps). Also remember that some of your questions may not be answered simply because people don't know the answers. That's why it helps to search the internet using Google or another search engine, and to do some old-fashioned research at the library.
Jim D.
For CDTA and NFTA in Buffalo, I received the maps in the mail after sending a nicely-worded e-mail request to their customer service departments.
Jim D.
JD
2. Where does the bus go to turn around at the last stop?
2. The Bus turns on what is called streets.
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Several routes have "loop privileges," under which passengers are permitted to stay aboard during the layover.
David
IIRC, such privileges include (but aren't limited to):
- M9, M20 at South End Avenue & Albany Street
- M34, M42 at Javits Center
- M116 at E. 120th Street & Paladino Avenue
- Bx14 at Ampere Avenue & Research Avenue
- Bx18 at River Park Towers
- Q3, Q10, B15 at JFK Airport (Terminal 4)
- Q33 at LaGuardia Airport (Central Terminal Building)
- Q74 at Kissena Blvd & Melbourne Avenue
- QM1, QM1A, QM2, QM2A, QM4 at Sixth Avenue & East 35th/36th Streets (non-AM-peak Manhattan-bound trips lay over before returning to Queens, usually on a different route)
On my one B15 ride from JFK, we sat at Terminal 4 for about 15 minutes -- the headway indicated on the map for that time of day. If the layover time and the headway are approximately equal, why not have one B/O relieve the next B/O at Terminal 4 without keeping the passengers hostage? (If I had known I'd have to sit on the bus for 15 minutes two stops after I got on, I would have jumped ahead on a PA shuttle bus.)
Because the trip from Woodhull Hospital takes at least 90 minutes.
On my one B15 ride from JFK, we sat at Terminal 4 for about 15 minutes -- the headway indicated on the map for that time of day. If the layover time and the headway are approximately equal, why not have one B/O relieve the next B/O at Terminal 4 without keeping the passengers hostage?
The usual practice on the B15, Q3, and Q10 is to let passengers switch buses if one arrives at the layover before its leader has departed.
I asked why the bus has a layover, not why the bus operator has a layover. You didn't answer my question. Having B/O's trade buses would make life easier for the passengers and would reduce service requirements by one bus.
B17#8700
Also, has anyone mentioned the F shuttle bus?
Other cities have lots of loops. Most of the Champaign-Urbana Mass Transit District's routes are loops. The 22 Illini is a complicated mess that runs along one particular block three times in one loop (twice in one direction and once in the other). The 23 Shuttle West has a rush-hour-only counterpart, the 23 Shuttle East, which follows a similar route in the opposite direction. (The routes were even more similar until a few years ago, when the 23 Shuttle West was moved from Springfield to Green in response to the new 26 Pack.)
Yes but on some routes, passengers are aloowed to stay on. On the 2nd question, well what do buses run on?
David
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Thanks in advnace.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Well, my trip to Baltimore was EXCELLENT!!! Let's start in New York first!
NEW YORK CITY & LONG ISLAND:
As I was on the LIE going westbound, I noticed a tow truck towing Triboro Coach GMC RTS-04 #661 eastbound to I guess exit 64 (Route 112 to either Coram or Medford).
In the Bronx, I saw the NEW West Farms Bus Depot!!!!! Beautiful!!!! It's a big depot. On the north side of the Cross Bronx Expwy is the depot and on the south side is the parking lot of the employees....I guess there are buses underneath the expressway.
NEW JERSEY:
Well, we came across the GWB (George Washington Bridge if you forgot), I saw a lot of NJ Transit bus routes like the NJ161, NJ139, NJ320 but mostly Not Ins Service buses. Oh, I saw Greyhound MCI 102-DL3 #6157 on the NJ Turnpike and why did I single out this bus....the sound was on www.transitalk.org and I forgot that person who recorded it...sorry!
DELAWARE:
A brief stay in Delaware BUT as the rain got heavier, we spent a long time in Delaware than I thought...LOL! Anyways, I observed something that I have not seen with my OWN eyes.....NABIs!!!!! For you Delaware (DART) guys, I spotted DART NABI 416.08 #558 on the D42 bus route (I have respect for the TAs so I put a "D" in front of the route..it's really #42). This bus was on the NJ Turnpike going express from the I-295/I-95/I-495 and State Rd 141 merge. In the opposite direction, I saw DART NABI 416.08 buses #518?, #531 and #554 (I believe they were deadheading back to the start of that D42 route? When I first saw that NABI, I thought it was a Gillig Phantom Low Floor...LOL! I'm also not sure what engine they had.
BALTIMORE:
Finally, hear we are! I saw my FIRST Baltimore NABI on I-95/I-495 and I believe it was on the Ba120 bus route (I did not get the number)to Camden Yards because I saw another NABI (I think it was #9965) on the Ba120 as I was coming home today. I saw my first Neoplan USA AN440LF #0270n on the Ba27 bus route. My hotel was on Falls Rd about two minutes from Northern Pkwy. I post the buses that I saw. I also got some pics but you know how you are going to a wedding and your mother takes a lot of pics and she runs out of film....then sees you with YOUR camera? Well, I'll put it to you this way...at least I got FOUR pics! Yeah, my mother took it. Well, it was either give her the camera or walk home to Long Island, New York (I thought about it but...no).
Okay, now for you Baltimore fans.....does the MTA Baltimore have a bus map? I asked TWO bus drivers (one on the Ba3 and the other on Ba10 which I was at the Baltimore Harbor on Pratt St) and when I asked them they both said, "who?" I said, "A bus map?" They said, "No" Now, I asked them at different times but no bus maps? Is that for real?
Well, that's my trip...I'll post the pics when I can. Here's what I saw:
NEW YORK CITY & LONG ISLAND:
Triboro Coach GMC RTS-04 #661 (Towed)
NYCT TMC RTS-06 #8356 on the Q30 to Jamaica
QSC Orion 05.501 CNG #509 on the Clearview Expwy (Not In Service)
NYCT Orion 05.501 #565 on the Q44 to the Bronx Zoo
NEW JERSEY:
NJ Transit MCI D4000 #8073 or #8973 on the NJ161
NJ Transit MCI 102DL3WSSS CNG, D4000 and D4500 #7034, #8234, #8245 - ALL Not In Service
NJ Transit MCI D4500 #8261 on the NJ139
Delaware I already mentioned and.....
BALTIMORE:
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #xxxx on I-95/I-495
MTA Baltimore Flxible Metro-B #xxxx (It was dark so I could not get the number)
MTA Baltimore Neoplan USA AN440LF #0270n on the Ba27 with a THICK DD60 Series engine on Falls Rd
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #9739 on the BaM2 (I was on Reistertown Rd for the wedding. I also saw...
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #9750 on the BaM2
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #9947 on the BaM2
I GOT PICS ON REISTERTOWN RD ONLY! None of Downtown Baltimore...I know, my mother!
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #9931 on the Ba44 on Northern Pkwy
MTA Baltimore Neoplan USA AN440LF #0266n on the Ba91 on Northern Pkwy
At the Baltimore Harbor:
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #00xx on the Ba31
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #99665 on the Ba3 (That B/O I asked for the map)
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #9853 on the Ba10 to Sparrow Point (The other B/O I asked for the map)
MTA Baltimore Flxible Metro-B #8852 (I'm not sure of the route. It was either Ba7, Ba10 or Ba19 on Lombard St? Baltimore fans, please back me up on that)
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #9825 on the Ba? (The route number was not visible)
MTA Baltimore NABI 416.08 #9922 on the Ba31....I think?
Today, as I was leaving on Falls Rd, I saw MTA Baltimore Flxible Metro-D #9428 on the Ba27. Man, I love those NABIs and Flxibles with the Cummins Engines!!!!!
Well, I'm done...enjoy and please make the corrections and comments!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY, NEW JERSEY, DELAWARE and BALTIMORE!!!
And MTA does have bus maps but they are not widely distributed. Cheapskates.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
I like the NABIs and Flxibles they have there. It's a pretty cool TA! I wish NYC had NABIs and Flxibles but I'm not going there!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
There is a surprise they didn't have bus maps, I believe they do. How many buses did you see with panels missing. That is previllent(sp?) in Baltimore, especially with certain garages.
The Cummins engines are cool, but might be surprised to know that there are some Flxibles with DD60 engines and they also have some 87 series with old school L10 engines.
That's right, if you have AIM or a compatible proggy, shoot an instant message to Chap11ChooChoo. I will then invite you into the chat. However, if you don't know what AIM is, don't have it, or don't know where to get it, you must be living under a rock, and I just can't help you. Me telling you would be:
Nothing except their additional legroom over the Orion I and if you really don't want to be somewhere on time, they can help your cause.
You are spoiled with your fast Orions, hehe.
Started out at 2:15pm by taking the B8 to the train station to catch the Q train. A few minutes go by and the GO that was supposed to have the n/b platform of Newkirk Av closed for the weekend was closed so that was good 8-). A R68 comes in, pretty hot in the car and we make a battery run to Church Av then we made all stops to Atlantic Av where I got off to catch the 2 or 3 since I had to make a stopover at Fulton Mall so I get a 3 train and rode it to Hoyt St, stopped over for a minute then got on a B38 to Borough Hall to transfer to the 4 and I saw 8563 on the B38. Waited and I saw a 1200s R142 heading in the opposite direction then my 4 came up and I got a upper 1100s consist so I chill inside the car, ride it via Lexington Av express and its a speedy ride and I see some variety on the 6 since the GO has them going to Woodlawn so it used 4 train equipment mainly. I got off at 125 around 3:40pm and I was trying to get the 6 across the platform but it got the preference and I missed it :-\ so then I listen to this guy playing the guitar (sounded good) and I saw someone get a few pics of the 1100s 142 that was leaving; a Sub/Bustalker maybe? Anyway the next 6 train comes 10 minutes later and I go one stop north to 138 St/GC :-P to ride the shuttle bus.
So I go to the surface and it is a zoo out there and boy was it a long day for the dispatchers (and B/Os). So there is a line of buses waiting to get the passengers where they need to go so I have to let the 1st express go, 254 since people swarmed the bus then I decide to ride the local first to see some more buses. I get on 5413 the A/C is very good and all of the seats are taken before we depart about 3 minutes later and this bus has HORRIBLE acceleration. We travel via 138 St at first then we make all stops to Parkchester and its slow going alright >:-0. We run on Bruckner Blvd to Southern Blvd & a slow bus and some traffic via Southern adds up to a very long ride. As we go along I see express bus 9105 catch up to us then it bounced and I endure the slow ride via Westchester Av to Parkchester. It starts drizzling but only for a brief time upon arrival and the trip took 40-45 minutes so in my head Im like to the hell with the local lol and I go around the circle and I get 5586 as a express J. The female B/O looked kind of good and I sit in the single seat and its ICE C-O-L-D in the bus, we get the signal to go non stop to 138 so turn onto WP Road then head onto the Bruckner. We go on the expressway and saw 5634 looking fresh and exited at Hunts Point to run via the side road and she does very good with the Artic and I saw 5413 on the expressway and I got pretty upset but I was enjoying the ride and it left us in the dust. So bypassing Brook Av there was a big crowd and they were throwing up middle fingers and shouting [TOO BAD!]. We arrive at 138 and the Artic that ran on the expressway & it is just in front of us so I go across and I hop on 421.
A express and we wait a few minutes and the bus is basically filled up so we depart and go on the Bruckner and we stay on the boulevard the whole time and the B/O goes 40mph and we have a open road and the back window flew open a few times so then I see that the red handle was down so I closed it but it would fly open again so I hold it with my hands to avoid a possible accident or such. Then at the light signal at WP Rd and Bruckner this guy has the balls to jump out of the window and we were all in SHOCK! This guy makes a few jokes and we go along our way to Parkchester and for a second after I get off I thought that CS was also in the mix seeing 643 but it was a Q44. I see 9486 and I hope that it would have been a express but was local so I wait and I see a 100 St Artic and a non repower Quill bus so it was a tough choice to make L. I already had two Artics so I wait for the RTS and I hop on the bus then we go down to the expressway and we go 45-50mph along the way and I really like the sound when they get up there :-D. We remain on the Bruckner expressway for the whole time making it even more interesting as a final trip then exited at 3 Av to turn onto Lincoln Av then onto 138 and we beat 5582; the express in front of us. I enter the train and I see a R142A 4 train & I see that they these 4 trains are only going to Brooklyn Bridge so apparently 4s were split while all 6s went to Woodlawn but had ran on a reduced headway. I got off at 125 St and I dont know what I wanted to do, I admit :-P. I see 1027 on the M101 LTD heading north and I see 1015 heading south so I run for it and these other people are right there and the B/O saw us YET he still pulled out and I miss it, damn bitch :-\. I walk back and I see 2 more 101s but I was thinking that it would drag on so I get on 448 on the Bx15 and I ride across 125 to Powell Blvd and I hoped that the M2 LTD didnt end.
I saw the schedule and the last bus left at 5:36 and I missed it by hour and 9627 pulls into the stop and its a quiet & quick ride down 5 Av and Powell Blvd and on Museum Mile/5 Av we see the tourist bus making stops along the way and we stay close to a M1,3 & 4 and I was going to get off at 96 St but the traffic was congested so that was out and I go south via 5 Av and I thought about getting off at 65 St but no bus, so I stay and got off at 42 St to get the M42 or 104. Im waiting and I see the tourists and two MCI Classics running on NYBS routes and I wished I had a camera since I could got some great shots. I saw 8653 and I travel on the M42 across to 2 Av then I saw a M15 to Houston turn on 42 St and I was like WTF is this but then I see what looks like a festival around the 30s. Its 7:10 now & waited 15 minutes so I said forget this shit I went back to 7 Av on the 42 and then I take the 2 to Borough Hall then I wait for the B41 LTD and its very mellow. I let the local go and the Limited comes a few minutes later and I got 8159 and it was pretty empty on the bus and on Livingston and on the GAP-Empire stretch we go 40mph and it was a red light so that was ruined. I would take it to Foster Av and I see the connecting B8 at the corner so I hop on 810 then I go home.
Heres all the buses I saw. Enjoy!
UP: 9081,9105
FP: 9155,9466,9486
FB: 9412,9424,9432
ENY: 5237,8914
JG: 8450,8457
MJQ: 8209,8268,8633,8647,9024
100: 5582,5586,5587
126: 5634,8238,8481,8508
WF: 412,421,6063,6119,8041,8072
GH: 5255,5257,5266,5284,5343,5353,5360,5413,9229,9240
KB:1079,1091,5450,5458,5480,5482,5505
MCH: 189,245,254
MV: 5135,5195,8767,9502,9510,9525
NF 962 B8
R68 2854 (Q)
R142 1171 (4)
R142 7105 (6)
NF Artic 5413 SHUTTLE (LOCAL)
NF Artic 5586 SHUTTLE
Orion 421 SHUTTLE
RTS 8268 SHUTTLE
R142A 7674 (4)
Orion 448 Bx15
RTS 9627 M2
RTS 8653 M42
RTS 8648 M42
R142 6575 (2)
RTS 8159 B41 LTD
NF 810 B8
Chapter 11 Choo Choo
G1Ravage
Eventual QV routes that ran out of Jamaica were the 1, 2, 3A (currently 83), 36, 43 and 75. The 12A (currently 79), 17A (30), 31 and 44A (46) ran out of Flushing. The Q88 was born along with QV.
Half the 1966 Flxibles, 5646-5700, were moved from FLU to QV, so they continued to operate on those routes uninterrupted- but with the roll signs changed from early sixties block letters to early seventies ultracryptic MTA printing- as seen above. It WAS very strange to see those Flxibles, long associated with Flushing, running on Hillside Avenue and pulling out of 165th Terminal.
QV took 1962 Fishbowls 2091-2175 and '70 Flshbowls 4392-4441 from Jamaica. I don't know where their '73 Flxibles 7155-7174 came from- maybe Flushing? Jamaica kept their 1963-'64 3900-series 'bowls, the only ones in Queens.
Getting back on topic, there was a LOT of interesting new bus stuff in the museum. The CNG demonstrator bored me- I've seen that kind of thing many times in science museums- but did you check out those borough route maps from the sixties and seventies? It looked like there were a lot of new old photos as well. I'll have to go back by myself and really take everything in.
On the plus side, I had some fun on the surface messing with the roll sign on GMC Fishbowl #100. The full roll sign was there, so I kept changing it, and then my dad, who was watching from outside, would scream what it said, and then I'd change it again. Pretty neat. It's interesting how many variations of routes there are.
*coughQ5ABcough*
If anyone else wants to see full rollsigns from the outside, it'd be easier to bring a video camera and tape the rollsign runningt from beginning to end.
First, I caught her on static display:
more pics
And here is the info about her:
And then I photographed her speeding off into the night. What an awesome display!
This is one of my favorite bus photos I have taken (though I know technically it could have been a better photo, I just really like the bus's pose).
many more pics and one more pic
Peace
David
The TM is good. I kinda ran around to see a bit of everything, I will go again soon to read all of the text.
The one thing I didn't like about the 870 was that tiny flip-dot destination sign. The 870 was also available with really huge roll signs, and I remember wishing that NYCTA had ordered them that way instead.
Yeah that was an early Luminator sign, SCRTD had those on their Grummans, was kinda annoying. OTOH, Santa Monica Municipal Bus Lines had the giant signs, you could see those from a mile away! :)
Only thing, at that time, the older NYCTA/MaBSTOA buses had those red and blue roll signs, not sure if Grumman was willing to make those, plus electronic signs gave more flexibility anyway.
JD
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Does anything seem out of place here?
I'll bet you've never seen these two buses in the same photo before:
L to R: Barry, Chapter 11 Choo Choo, and David J. Greenberger
Kids these days.
The good news is that a bus company in Canada bought them all & plans to do the structural work that nycDOT couldn't see their way clear to do, SO they will soon be happily out and about again.
For those that may want the coach numbers, e-mail me privately.
Are the remaining 31 Classics all in service?
Jim D.
Peace,
Kevin
Look in the bottom to see what I mean
Drogin Bus route 10 also accepted the Bus Card IIRC, prior to Red & Tan‘s current operation. Lots of private operators that did not operate NJT routes under contract also accept/accepted the bus card. Nothing new—this goes back more than two decades.
I got on 1178 on the Q10 signed up to Rockaway Blvd via Lefferts Blvd and I was to take it to Austin St near the Kew Gardens LIRR Station. There was 6 People on it. So the bus left normally from the 1st stop(Kew Gardens Road and 80 Road) by turning left at 80 Road and then we where trying to turn onto Austin but the bus stopped and something was beeping, So the driver tryed a few times to turn onto Austin but failed on all trys. So the driver gave up and we went down this following routeing.
Straight down 80 Road
Left Park Lane South
Contune Straight and becomes Beverly Road
Left Audley St
Right Grenfell St
Right Lefferts Blvd
Normal Route
On the Detour. Driver let 2 People off at Park Lane South and Beverly Road and I got off at Grenfell St before turning onto Lefferts(At the traffic light).
WHAT A DETOUR!!
Beverly Road,Audley St,and Grenfell St are pretty narrow streets that buses can't handle(And it's 2 ways also) and we went through w/o any problems. Beverly Road have verry small curves(About 3 of them) and did fine. This was once in a blue moon thing
Is this the only arctic with a Orange LCD? I've never seen any other ones, only Orion V's with the LCD fronts.
And whats the difference between a 05.501 and a 05.504?
.003?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Peace,
Kevin
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Peace,
Kevin
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And the B51 can come back to JG!!! MUHAHAHAHHAHA!!
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Trevor
ok, enough from me tonight...more another day...
Incognito
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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B1-#9331-NOVABUS
B64-#4775-TMC
Peace,
Kevin
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT SAID????
Unfortunately, they won't let me put an apostrophe before that s.
*slinks off and crawls under desk*
4679 has been put on the scrap list today 9/15 for unknown reasons.
4676 is o/o/s listed as S/A dead motor. Don't know what the outcome will be for that one.
Yesterday, as already stated, 4380, 4390 and 4552 were transferred to Yukon. 4833 is the only bus left out of the group of 10 Mabstoa buses which were transferred over at the same time. It is one of the best 4000's F.P. has and wouldn't surprise me if it were the last to go.
Fresh Pond no longer wears the crown for having 4000's in it's fleet. The total number of 1987 RTS's in Fresh Pond is now down to 51 meaning FP now has less pre-1990 buses than Ulmer Park. And that is not counting the 7500's in U.P.
No bus moves today in F.P. what-so-ever.
BIG AL
Anyone from the inside know something about this.
Robert
Tony M.
Meadowlands Garage.
Robert
MetroB
There was MAJOR traffic on the Schuylkill, and we went a completely different way through back roads like Conshohocken State Rd and Manyunk Rd (?). The 121 generally followed this route...its a beautiful routing. Here's the thing though...low ridership, and it's no wonder when you keep passing mansions all over the place. Then it ended in Gladwyn...what's in Gladwyne?
My proposal...extend it! Take it to Conshohocken, or at least that area! An alternative to the R6 and it will link people in this area to the City Ave shops. Plus, it's an alternative to the 27, which runs on Ridge Pike and that road has tons of traffic during rush hour. Of course, the 121 could still basically be a rush hour route...it's just a shame that a beautiful route like that could be eliminated. Also, Frontier can help out by providing Dorados for service (when more New Flyers come in).
What do you think?
Meanwhile, the bus stop at Little Falls and Dorset still stands...
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Also, between yesterday and today I've seen THREE Q44's in which the sign read "Q44 SUTPHIN BL". No limited message.....just Q44 SUTPHIN BL. What's up with THAT???
Peace,
Kevin
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Peace,
Kevin
Murray Av
Franklin Av
Main St
Right onto Main st and stops at Port Washington Sta. On school days, and weekdays during the summer, buses run:
Right onto Port Washington BLVD and stops at Maple Av. Left onto Campus with the following stops:
Campus Dr/Port Washington BLVD
Campus Dr/Weber Middle School
Campus Dr/Schreiber High School
Exits the high school via the back way. Continues down through the parking lot, and left towards the chain/monfort alley(only people in town know these spots), and then enter on St Johns Pl. Stops at corner of St Johns Pl and Orchard Farm Rd, then turns left. Stops at Beacon Hill rd, turns left, left onto Port Washington BLVD, right onto Main st(stops at corner), then heads back to Great Neck.
On weekdays NOT between 7:00am and 7:00pm, and on weekends, buses do not make school stops. Instead, from the Port Washington Sta:
continues on Main st, across Port Washington BLVD and stops at corner. Continues into parking lot, turns around, and heads back to Great Neck, first stop is at Port Washington BLVD/Main St(same as N23 stop).
This would help commuters using the Great Neck, Manhasset, and Port Washington Stations, and students at the Middle school and High school.
What about the route I thought up, ya think it'd work?
Yes, 5227.
-F.
Go north, young man ... to Toronto and other Canadian operators who still run New Looks every day!
God, I feel old! I rode on everything from 1961 New Looks in Boston to some of the last ones built in the mid-1980's for Toronto. Not to mention Flxibles and AM Generals.
Jim D.
Jim D.
You don't have to go that far north, just go to the Bronx!
True. But any bus fan should find an excuse to go to Toronto and see the last of the great transit systems that still relies on GM New Looks for heavy-duty service seven days a week.
Jim D.
Wayne
I am far from the most qualified person to even discuss this, but I think that 5227 (GM-Blitz rehab, originally a 66-67 TDH 5303) was the last to see service, and I think it was February 1996. That's all I know. I hope others can fill in the holes.
Wayne
Jim D.
BIG AL
I used to ride 5007, or 5008 every few days on the uptown M15 Limited for a few weeks during 1994 because I knew their days were numbered. They still had good speed, especially for 28 year old buses. They were also in immaculate shape.
Were the Fishbowls any better or worse handling in slippery weather than an RTS?
Did the 8V71 powered Fishbowls (I know these were outside of the NYCTA and MABSTOA fleets) have perceptibly more power than the 6V71s?
Anyone on this board ever drive a manual transmission (SDM or TDM) Fishbowl? And if so, did you have to double clutch or were the gears synchromesh?
Did the Blitz rebuilds retain the VS2 transmission or did they go to a three or more speed automatic?
Also these are hosted on MSN groups at the "Philadelphia Transit Vehicles" you may or may not need to be a member of the group to see the photos. If you can't see them send an Email off to Daryl, the manager of the group, I'm sure he'll be happy to have you. I apologize it's not in a more accessible medium, but my 100megs of FTP space Drexel has is currently OOS (typical!).
They are in the regular scheme, right? i couldn't see the pics, and I can't go to MSN groups due to restrictions on this computer (stupid high school). My computer malfunctioned, hehe.
Oh yeah, Go Red Sox!
I am going to the O's game tomorrow and I will most definately be rooting against the opposition, will you?
I am picturing the news filming you blowing in the wind like a windsock hanging on to the stop for dear life. LOL. Hopefully, your reinforcement works, otherwise, your stop might be embedded in someone's lawn.
I was a busy weekend and didn't get a chance to ride any buses in NYC, but it's always good to be at home.
...Assuming the bus stop is still standing or if the pole and the sign are within the general vicinity of the bus stop;-)
Peace,
Kevin
So now we have RTS's and Orion VIIs with the same numbers.
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it should read
yo the Orion 7 is type hot, but like you said when its not crowded. THey need to send bus #7560 back to the bronx. Thats my favorite O7 series. sadly its assigned to BK. O well its all good.
Peace,
Kevin
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
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Peace,
Kevin
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#8689 - B1
#9177 - B6
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
This time, however, the Stop Requested announcement was warped, as you can kinda hear in this clip:
http://busstalker.tecsbrain.org/sounds/WMATA/WMATAHalloweenStopRequested.rm
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/transportation/nyc-bus0917,0,185396.story?coll=nyc-manheadlines-trans
Money Concerns Stall Bus Plan
By Joshua Robin
Staff Writer
September 16, 2003, 5:53 PM EDT
Plans to improve bus service in Queens by transferring control of seven private lines from the city to the MTA are stalled over money concerns, top transit officials said Tuesday.
After failing to reach a June deadline, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority has found that taking over the private lines might cost far more than the $100 million the bus lines receive from the city.
MTA officials looking into the plan found buying new equipment and developing a depot might cost an additional $100 million, prompting MTA executive director Katherine Lapp to conclude Tuesday that she didn't know if the deal would work by a new December deadline.
"We have no exact plans at the moment," Lapp said, testifying before a state Assembly committee that oversees the MTA. "There was never an assumption that we would take over at a loss."
The lines serve mostly riders in southeast Queens.
The cash-strapped city is banking on transferring control of the lines to the MTA, giving riders better service while jettisoning a $100 million annual burden. But the MTA, itself facing financial problems, refuses to accept the added burden especially drivers' pensions without major help.
A City Hall spokesman did not return a call for comment.
Lapp's comments did not surprise riders on the Q37 line in Kew Gardens, run by Green Bus Lines.
"It's a joke," Joanne Nutter, a medical secretary from Richmond Hill, said of the negotiations. She said buses were continually crowded and late, and provided less than stellar service. "The whole thing is the biggest joke that ever was," she said.
There was also a recent Daily News article that had a different spin on this, i.e. "The City wants to end the $100 million in annual subsidies it gives the bus operators - including New York Bus, Command and Liberty Lines - and create a more regional and, they say, improved private bus system." (this quote is from a TWU Local 100 hand bill, so some poetic licence may have occured).
This puts the TWU in a ticklish sitation. The city can withdraw the subsidies, the privates would go broke, the city would take back the buses, the MTA would lease them and start providing service as best it can while recovering the system. Some some drivers from the privates woudl be hired, but otherwise service would be cut across the city to support Queens until service could be rebuilt with new depots and new hires.
Under this scenario, no pensions need be funded, easing the takeover. Those who work or worked for the privates would end up in ERISA, with a loss in their pension payments. The TWU can't want that. Then again, isn't there a feud between the branch of the TWU that represents the privates and the branch that represents the NYCT, or something? I thought I remember something about that.
Re, the pensions, I don't know that this is such a big "underfunded" problem. I'm of the belief that the "owners" have been matching what the emplouyees have been putting in. Personally mine isn't underfunded, but I have a management plan which is a little different.
Money is THE issue, but I don't feel it has much to do with the employees, i.e. the TA knows that day one they are going to have to make a BIG bus purchase because of all the miles on what the "privates" are driving around with. Also the privates still have a bunch of non-ADA complient buses in their fleets, e.g. MCI Classics, & RTS without wheelchair lifts.
None of this is new money, it's just a question of who will have to pay for it, and how. As for the depots, I can't see the city forcing the MTA to take on a liability.
(Re, the pensions, I don't know that this is such a big "underfunded" problem. I'm of the belief that the "owners" have been matching what the emplouyees have been putting in.)
Just about everyone cut their pension contributions in the boom to make themsevles look better. I'd be surprised if the privates did not.
(The TA knows that day one they are going to have to make a BIG bus purchase because of all the miles on what the "privates" are driving around with. Also the privates still have a bunch of non-ADA complient buses in their fleets, e.g. MCI Classics, & RTS without wheelchair lifts.)
Maybe, but the privates are a minnow compared with the NYCT whale. The one thing you might get is a longer replacement cycle for a while, but you are talking about -- what -- 1,000 to 1,500 buses for the privates, compared with 4,500.
"... you are talking about -- what -- 1,000 to 1,500 buses for the privates, compared with 4,500 ..."
You are in the ball park.
Basically, the companies want to keep getting their guaranteed profits, the City wants to stop guaranteeing the companies' profits, the unions want job protection at all costs, and the passengers just want semi-decent service.
Oy!
From NY1
Riders Still Waiting For MTA To Take Over Private Bus Lines
SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2003
The mayor raised their hopes more than a year ago, but bus riders are still waiting for the MTA to start running a handful of private bus lines. NY1 transit reporter Bobby Cuza has the story.
Substandard service, overcrowding, and aging buses all that was supposed to change when the city's seven private bus lines were taken over by the MTA.
But after more than a year of negotiations with the city, the proposed MTA takeover still hasn't gotten off the drawing board.
"These buses are the pits," said a bus rider. Ive waited a half-hour, 45 minutes to an hour sometimes for another bus, then two or three or four will come. And it's really very bad. Something should be done. We call up and they tell us the MTA is promising buses, but nothing has come of it."
Deadlines to reach a deal on the issue have come and gone. At one point, officials hoped to have an agreement by April 1. When that didn't happen, they pushed it back to June 30. Now, it's mid-September and there still no deal in sight.
At an oversight hearing Tuesday, MTA officials faced questions from state legislators but gave no indication the takeover will happen anytime soon.
"I'd rather not characterize a timeline," said MTA Chairman Peter Kalikow. Were just working as expeditiously as possible."
At issue? Money, of course. Mayor Michael Bloomberg wants to unload $100 million in annual subsidies the city pays the bus companies. But the MTA doesn't want to get stuck picking up the tab.
"The MTA cannot take on any further financial burdens," said MTA Executive Director Katherin Lapp.
And the price tag for the MTA could go even higher. Once pensions and capital improvements like buying new buses are taken into the account, a takeover could cost into the hundreds of millions.
"The city, the governor and the MTA have to come up with a plan, bring the public into the process," said Assemblyman Richard Brodsky, and let us know what it's going to cost, and who's going to pay for it."
But some rider advocates are preaching patience.
"Is it bad that this is in suspended animation" said Gene Russianoff of the Straphanger's Campaign. do, because I think in the long-term interest of the riding public is that the deal that gets cut for an MTA takeover of the private bus lines be a good one, not a rush job."
In the meantime, riders will just have to wait.
--Bobby Cuza
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
What is needed is more competition.
Years ago there was only one NJ Transit bus line that ran down Bergenline Avenue in Union City, NJ. This bus would run one every hour and was crowded to the max. You were better off driving or walking down Bergenline avenue as the bus service by NJ transit as abysimal. The city passed a law that allowed smaller Jitney vans to ride down the same crowded avenue.
It worked.
Today, you can catch a Jitney van 5 - 7 minutes every day of the year. On weekends the time maybe less than that. These vans pass through four zones (Jersey City, West New York, Union City, North Bergen, FortLee) for as little as $1.00 to as high as $2.50. This is like traveling from cannal street street all the way to 186th street for $2.50 dollars! It's quite a bargin if you ask me.
Sure there is a compromise. The vans maybe hot or non-aircondioned and the drivers may be illegal allians. Furthermore, it may not be as clean or professional looking as an MTA bus.
I can assure there, the majority of commuters currently using these Private lines (ex. Green Line) would more than welcome a Jitney van going into Manhattan instead of waiting an hour for a crowded bus. It's unfortunate that more cities and towns do not think of bringing in these private Jitney lines and instead choose to subsidize underfunded and poorly equipted bus companies. These vans provide a great service to the community while providing employment for thousands of drivers.
To my knowledge, these Jitney vans are not subsidized by the state of New Jersey. By adding the Jetney vans and keeping the private bus lines (Green line) for those with special needs, Queens and the Bronx could have an effective transportation service envied by other communities.
The City's Transportation Department is still in charge, so if the service has gotten bad they aren't doing their job (at this Depot the buses look good, go out clean & the drivers have a decent attitude).
Overcrowding: The privates either provide the require "service level", i.e. number of buses each Am and PM or they take a big financial hit, so they are providing the quantity of buses specified by the City !
Aged fleet ... it is only going to get worse :-(
Disclaimer: I don't work for the MTA, TA, or nycDOT and am speaking for myself.
Yes, but that "big financial hit" (a penalty imposed by DOT for lousy service) becomes an expense to the company, and thus is reimbursed by DOT. Why does DOT impose penalties only to pay them back?
Why not? What can DOT do to prevent it? The companies own enough members of the City Council to get their way on any issue - just look at what happened to the "competitive bidding" requirement that was written into the 1992 City Charter.
Same routing if you get hit with dirty bus (they do inspections). Over a certain limit it cost you money.
Also NYS, not a group with in the company like the TA, does safety inspection to the fleet. They always find little items, but if a pattern shows up, they can keep the whole fleet off the streets.
The way the City & "privates" do it is different then the TA in many ways. At the TA these things effect the big bus division's bosses salary, at the privates it can have a more severe impact.
Disclaimer: I'm not implying that the TA doesn't do a pritty good job of keeping their fleet safe & clean.
Basically, the companies want to keep getting their guaranteed profits, the City wants to stop guaranteeing the companies' profits, the unions want job protection at all costs, and the passengers just want semi-decent service.
Oy!
With ample time on my hands this morning, I decided to use 3 buses to get into Queens instead of the subway. I took the B2 to the Q35 to the Q53.
On the B2, the message was Student OK as usual. This was my first fare paid, technically. On the Q35, (it was within minutes, let alone 2 hours), the machine ate up my card for several seconds then the message was 1 Xfer OK but before I turned to go to my seat it flashed a second message right after it: Student OK. Had it accepted the card twice and taken off another fare? The bus ID # was 1172.
I wasn't worried about losing this fare as I had a Pay-Per-Ride Metrocard on me if I got stuck, but I was still curious. On the Q53, the message was 1 Xfer OK. So I figured yes the Q35 had taken a second fare off and the Q53 took the transfer. So I guess stuff like this happens every now and then, but wait. . .
Later today, I got on the subway, figuring this was my last free ride. The message on the turnstile was "GO" "1 RIDE LEFT!" What??? Where did I get that ride from? So let's say the Q35 DIDN'T take off another fare, then why did the Q53 say 1 XFER OK??? I'm confused, but even though I don't need to commute for the rest of the day, I might hail a bus while I'm walking around and take it two stops just to see if another fare is accepted. Also, I feel like doing the same thing tomorrow, as Bus # 1172 is almost always the Q35 I end up with in the morning. Same driver too. Maybe I'll ask him to keep an eye out for how the machine responds to my card.
Signing off. . .Confused.
New Flyer #857, check the back of your card. If it has no stripe across the top, it is a 3-trip card. If it does, it is a 4-trip card.
Also, off the topic of this post, but on topic for BusTalk: There is probably a reason why some buses are making their UP debuts at age 17: They don't want to give XHS students new buses, just the old (mostly MaBSTOA) junk! (4330-4332 are Kingsbridge originals, 4452 and 4458 are Walnut originals, 4468 and 4497 are Coliseum originals, 4756, 4759-60, 4762, 4764, 4767-9, 4771-2, 4774-5, 4777-83, 4785-7, 4789-90, and 4792 are Amsterdam originals.)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
What with some of the things *some* students do to Busses, I can't say that I blame them.
Peace,
ANDEE
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
This time, I got the numbers:
BUS #: 555
ROUTE #: Q65
RUN #: 1002
Thurston?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
NYCT does it all the time, with its 192 suburbans [101 RTS and 91 Orions], and so do the other privates. So long as a Classic (exc. at GBL, which has local non wheelchair access Classic buses with transit seating) does not end up on a local line, what is the big deal?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Jimmy
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
BTW, here's another pic that I took today and found interesting...
#8083 on the Bx55...a West Farms bus on that lines, must be a tripper of some sort...
Enjoy!
Incognito
1) Jackie Gleason can't handle more buses at this time because of the RTS that are still there.
2) West Farms doesn't have enough bues to accomadate those routes.
3) The drivers are being trained on the O7s.
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David
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David
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David
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David
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Anyway, upon their opening, WF was supposed to receive five O7's from JG so that their new CNG fueling station can be tested and their maintenance personnel can get used to fueling and repair procedures, etc. However, since Brooklyn is currently suffering from a bus shortage, JG was only able to send three--7562, 7564 and 7575. To make up the difference, two O7's were delivered directly to WF instead of JG. As you probably know JG either received or is about to receive 7631, 7632, 7637 and 7639, so it is obvious that 7634 and 7636 are on loan to WF. When WF's group of O7's come in (starting with 7685, I think), you will likely see your beloved ugly ducklings come home.
I hope this help you.
Mark
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
MetroB
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MetroB
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MetroB
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MetroB
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
MetroB
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Carlton
Cleanairbus
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Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
ARE U FOR REAL???
Looks like I got something to do tomorrow after school...
Incognito
Waited at the stop, saw it come around the corner, right on time. No suprise it was on time though, it was Kevin driving, one of the better and nicer drivers on the route. Had a nice chat with him on the way to my stop. That new bus stop cuts out half of my walk, thank G-d!!!! Also, whenever I have first period off, I sleep late, then take that bus to school. It's really working out to be a great thing. They just need one more bus in each direction on the new route and then things will be absolutely perfect! G-d bless the new N23!!!!!!
B1-#4866-TMC
B64-#7524-REMAN RTS
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Is this a strange new thing with fareboxes as they get old or something?
MetroB
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
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Wayne
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
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I've heard similar stories about problems with later-production Nova RTS buses. Poor build quality, perhaps?
JD
except for UMD >:-0
Wayne
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Way to go. It loos good especially all of those special Ride-On buses that we don't get to ride in lower county.
Wayne
Heres my album : http://photos.transitgallery.com/Ride-On
Enjoy, everyone!
Transit DC Annex
http://photos.transitgallery.com/DC-Transit
WMATA began service at 8am this morning with trains running every 12-15 minutes and buses running on a Sunday schedule
Baltimore MTA will begin service at noon today
Fairfax Connector and PRTC will not run today
Ride on is undecided on whether to run today
Cue will start at noon today with limited service a possibility
I think ART is not running today also
MARC & VRE will not have service today
DASH & THE BUS I have no word on, but,
If it is necessary to deliver packages today, THE BUS will run today
DASH probably will not run today, for the fear of any flying dirt or branches rendering their buses useless and having them parked for months on end to get their pristiness back.
Oddly enough, during the big rains of last Friday, the three DASH Orion ones I was on, not one leaked at all, sometimes OC is good, sometimes. ; D
Wayne
Most likely service will return to normal Saturday and to full service Monday.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(nynova5205@aol.com)
NYCTA employees may not transfer to LIB or NYCDOT. One must resign the current position and accept employment as a new hiree elsewhere.
The local unions have nothing to do with it - we work for an agency/entity, not a union.
The question is, could all the buses move to Fulton Street today? Based on the schedule, I find the number of buses going through at peak hour to be:
Fulton: B38:15, B52: 10, B 25: 8 and B26 8. Total of 41.
Livingston: B41:30, B37:5, B45:8, B67:7. Total of 50.
Would it not be possible to run 91 buses an hour, or one every 40 seconds, on Fulton?
Didn't think of that.
(If you put everything on Fulton Mall, the B37, 41, 45, and 67 would have to continue up Flatbush Ave and make a left on Fulton Mall, which would extend route time.)
It's only one block.
I had another thought. The problem could be dwell time as the buses load going outbound in the afternoon. For example, at some of the busier stops it could take a while to load up the B41.
This could be counteracted by installing Curibita Brazil-style pay ahead of time stations on the south side of Fulton. From, say, 11 am to 9 pm these could be manned to discourage fare beating. This would allow rapid loading in the front and rear of the bus, cutting dwell time to perhaps 15 seconds if the lift doesn't have to be used. That would cut the route time, by a lot.
True. Buses get bogged down on the Fulton Mall due to the city's long-standing policy of not enforcing the bus-only regulation. Thus, the B37 was rerouted away from the Fulton Mall to speed it up (and I think the B25, B26, B38, and B52 should also be rerouted for the same reason)!
The 91 buses might back up of people take a long time getting on and off. But if you build a three or four manned Bus Rapid Transit - style "statons" on the south side of the street, where people board outbound, you could have them pay in advance and board through both the front and back door, you solve that problem.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
MetroB
It now takes up to 15 minuates to board a bus instead of the old 3 to 6 minuates
Since the line now has only 8 buses (all runs) instead of the old 10 buses(7 runs and 3 extras)
What is the happening here? Is Operations Planning sleeping on this one
BTW-the extras have been eliminated since the new pick has started
Thank You
Jimmy
You could just go to PABT and get a NJT 319 Line(PABT-AC)
Jimmy
I can't even think what will happen if the B-42 had artics
Thank You
In any case, the B42 was traffic-checked in the AM rush right after school opened. I don't know the results, but if any changes are necessary they will be made.
David
The bottom line is simple. Prior to the change they were 10 buses in the AN rush and now that they are 8 buses only. I was told that they believed by having buses dead head from the station they could maintain Rkway Pkway Station bound service with 2 fewer buses.
Guess what it is not working. Regardless if a bus is in service or running light it basically still takes the same amount of time to get down to the other end because of the congestion between Glenwood Road and Flatlands Ave which in additon to the B-42 has 2 B-17 buses as well as the B-6,B-82 and the B-60
Operations Planning goofed on this one
Thank You
David
7 Runs 1 to 7 with Run 8 relieveing Run 1 at 7:35AM
3 extras Total of 10 buses
Total runs on the B-42 last pick were 14 runs
Current pick
8 Runs till 7:45 and Run 9 starts then
Total 8 buses before 7:45 and 9 buses after 7:45 leaving Rockaway Parkway Station towards Canarsie Pier
No Extras. Total runs on the B-42 are now 15 runs
Hence between 7:00AM and 8 :00AM they are only 8 buses when under the old pick they were 10 buses hence the trouble because they are two short during the heavy ridership period towards the station. It seems that they are no problems after 8:00AM.
Hope this clears up everything
Thank You
David
Jimmy
B1-#4497-TMC
B3-#9182-NOVABUS
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
I have great news on 716. Here's my story
Yesterday PM I was on 8372 on the Q46 and as it was about to turn, I saw an YELLOW MCI CLASSIC AT THE Q10 LAYOVER ON KG ROAD!!!
The answer did not came until this afternoon at around 2:25 PM,I was on the school bus comming home and I saw that YELLOW MCI CLASSIC AGAIN!!. This time it was running the Q60!. My bus went by it and I got the #. And the # was..... 716!!! And I got an better look at it and it was an ad for Nextel!! Finally the wrap ad has change!
Nextel...Done
* R5 Paoli-Thorndale was delayed up to an hour due to downed trees near Merion; R6 Cynwyd service was suspended due to poor weather conditions along that line, passengers were told to take the R5 to Overbrook, then transfer to buses.
* 104 trips to/from West Chester were delayed due to a major accident at West Chester Pike and PA 352 (Chester Rd) in Westtown. Some 119 trips were also delayed about 10 minutes. On the 104, a protect bus had to cover the 4:35pm departure to West Chester because it was stuck in the stalled traffic along PA 3 eastbound.
Other than that, there have been no major problems so far, though we're hoping that there are no major incidents similar to the Ft Washington bridge washout (aka "Fort Wash-Out") from 2 years ago.
Most buses are running on or close to schedule; one of the 104 buses ran on-time (4299 block; 10:05 from West Chester to 69 St), but the other one was about 15 minutes late getting into Newtown Sq (4241 block - which is notoriously late even in good weather; 10:12 from 69 St to West Chester).
The P&W (Route 100/Norristown High Speed Line) is running a bus bridge on the entire route (according to KYW 1060); a SEPTA employee told me they were running buses to Bryn Mawr, though that probably changed.
It's going to be an ugly night.
Local bus service and the Metro Subway are slated to resume operations at around 12 noon tomorrow (Friday); Light Rail service is set to resume on Saturday at 8:00am.
Any suggestions as to what the problem might be?
-F.
Maybe he means walk it with a leash?
-F.
-F.
This Flxible's starting problem could be the starter switch on the dashboard, the actual starter in the engine bay, and/or any points between. The only way to trace this problem is to get a full service manual with wiring diagrams and trace every component and wire of the electrical system related to the starter. If the engine starts properly from the switches in the engine bay without problem, you've got a LOT of wiring to look at.
A submerged bus is defintely not the best one to restore unless it's the ONLY one of its kind left, and there are certainly plenty of 1976-era Flxes out there - NJDOT bought 866 of them alone.
-F.
-F.
-F.
-F.
Incognito
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Got into work, had two sales, power went out, had problems closing my gate, got gate closed, left mall, and
Seeing not one bus on the road, is just about the oddest, omnimus thing I have ever seen. Downtown DC looked like a ghost town, only one or two cars, and one or two people. Even during the snowstorm, buses were on the road till about 4pm.
Glad you're doing well and I hope our other busfans from DC and the whole East Coast are doing well.
BTW: Chris D. has been out of power since 5 PM yesterday.
I was at Nicole's house since yesterday. She never did lose power. I came home at about 12:30 PM to find that we had no power which is pretty rare for my building. However, just as I was about to leave the power came back on and what do I do first???? You got it... turn on my computer. I hope everyone else is OK. I'm just going to relax and enjoy the four day weekend.
Wayne
6 To BKLYN BRIDGE
6 LEXINGTON AV LOCAL
6 BROOKLYN EXPRESS
The next one was:
4 TO CROWN HEIGHTS-UTICA
4 BRONX EXPRESS
4 LEXINGTON AV EXP
4 BROOKLYN EXPRESS
After that..
5 TO EASTCHESTER DYRE
5 BRONX EXPRESS
5 LEXINGTON AV EXP
5 BROOKLYN EXPRESS
after that...
6 TO PARKCHESTER
6 BRONX LOCAL
6 LEXINGTON AV EXP
6 LEXINGTON AV LOCAL
6 BRONX EXPRESS.
that's all of them.
Q3 FARMERS BL | JAMAICA - 165 ST TERM
Q4 Limited | Hillside Avenue - 169 St Subway
Q5 Francis Lewis Boulevard | 148 Av - 257 St
I took the Q53 to the Q35 to the B100 home today. Lots of interesting sightings. First, that GBL MCI #716-nice wrap-doesn't cover up the windows. Only saw the driver side and back. Looks really good.
The main things was the Q53, which is normally dominated by Orion V was dominated by TMC buses, which included #2828,#2139 and #2820. My bus was supposed to be #1183-but the motor never started.
The driver at Tribor told me two things worth of intrest:
First-DOT HAS ORDERED 400 new buses. Mostly clean air buses-scheduled to either arrive Christmas or 2004.
Second-Triboro is being audit and checked out. Why? Seems that they fibbed on the books. Apparently, triboro was supposed to remove the RTS buses(#600's and #700's) from service based on age. When they did their books, they posted that they did remove them from service when in fact, they still are in service. Triboro is also losing it's garage by the end of the year when the lease is up. The driver said they would move to the Rockawas but i can't see that happening? Any honest information would be well worth it.
B1-#9295-NOVABUS
Q53-#3014-Orion V-CNG(THE ONLY ORION V ON THE LINE)
Q35-#286-GMCRTSII-04
B100-#4928-TMC
Also if the TCC depot is a CNG facility, who other than a bus company is going to lease it. If TCC vacates the premises then the landlord might have an unrentable property on his hands and secondly where would TCC's CNG fleet be refueled on a steady basis?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
I think this is a good way to increase service on the Q53, Put buses deadheading to Jackson Heights and to the rockaways to cover the Q53 line
To answer your first question:
How do we QS will be glad to give up these routes I am sure of all except the Q65A. also are you sure QS will accept these routes with a dwindling equipment replacement going on. Those MCI classic are being phased out currently someone had pointed out that 400 new buses are on order, I dont know if this was meant for Triboro or all Queens Privates which is good since GBL and JB need to replace those aging RTS'. It does need investigation on what Triboro or DOT will do with this if they are going to turn these routes over to TA or have QS and Green take these routes. Why Green they are also a Cooper company which can make them responsible for covering these routes.
TO answer your second question, maybe fresh pond for Q67,Q39,Q38,Q18,Q45 use other routes to combine since there is no depot in the Astoria/Woodside area.
Hope this helps,
JONN
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
The only Cooper owned bus line that has a city owned depot is command Bus
Hope this helps
Thank You
That makes no sense whatsoever. That would reduce the size of Triboro's fleet by 35%; they wouldn't meet their peak service requirement. I think your driver was a bit confused...
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
N72-#379-Orion V-CNG
N15-#349-Orion V-CNG
Beginning 9 AM today, Ride On ran 'limited service' on 70% of their weekday routes. Both operators and dispatchers have been informing people that the 'limited service' means that the busses run on NO schedule, the only bus that is guaranteed to be on time will be the last trip of every route. Before then, the bus will show up whenever it shows up. Today I saw 26's running back to back in the same direction. Also, I think Ride On has put some of their administrative people to do some driving. I was riding a 26 where the driver made a wrong turn in the congressional neighborhood and did not know where to go. I have directed school bus drivers before but NEVER in my life have I directed a TRANSIT bus driver.
Whats up?
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
My two cents...
Incognito
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Mark
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LI Bus President Neil Yellin said that the bus company may need to hold public hearings as it considers possible reductions in service. Yellin said cutbacks may be necessary in the wake of Nassau County executive Thomas Suozzi's proposed county budget that trims $4.8 million from its bus subsidy. The executive's proposed budget has yet to be considered by the Legislature.
MTA spokesman Tom Kelly said no hearings have been scheduled or details regarding cuts decided.
"This is very, very early and very, very preliminary," Kelly said.
LI Bus posted a record ridership of 31.3 million in 2002. The bus company's total projected budget is $100.1 million for 2004.
This year the county's subsidy totaled more than $8 million. The county is proposing $3.5 million for LI Bus in 2004. "Long Island Bus and Able-ride are essential services and the level of service should not need to be cut," said Arda Nazerian, Suozzi's chief of staff. "It should be funded by the MTA which is certainly able to do so and we need our state legislators to help us with the process."
The county's subsidy to LI Bus has dwindled over the years as the state has kicked in more and more funding for the bus company. But Tom Dunham, an aide to Sen. Dean Skelos (R-Rockville Centre), who is a member of the MTA Capital Review Board and helped secure funding for LI Bus in past years, said the state can't pick up the difference this time. "Quite frankly there is no more money from the state," Dunham said. "The state can't cover the county's obligations. To cut five million from this vital service is shocking."
While the LIRR's budget figures for 2004 don't call for service cuts, the railroad's $1,097.1 million spending plan doesn't include any additional services either despite an average 25 percent fare increase instituted earlier this year.
Ridership for 2004 is forecasted to increase by 1.5 percent over this year to 81.7 million riders. Total expenses are $48.1 million higher than the current budget reflecting the introduction of the new fleet of M7 cars. Revenues are expected to reach $459.2 million.
Ridership has been dropping since 2000 when it peaked at 85.3 million.
"It's a combination of the job market and the impact of the fare increase," said Sheila Keller, LIRR executive director of management and budget.
LIRR fares rose an average of 25 percent earlier this year while bus and subway fares jumped from $1.50 to $2. LIRR officials said service cuts were unlikely but expenses are escalating including a $30 million rise in pension costs. Railroad officials hope to trim some costs by holding down overtime. Acting President James Dermody said that plans for next year to add service to the Ronkokoma line will likely be postponed.
"It's a very aggressive budget and it is going to take a lot of work," Dermody said.
But some riders' advocacy groups see the financial plans as "gloomy." The budgets are expected to go before the full MTA Board in December.
"It's very depressing," said Beverly Dolinsky, executive director of the LIRR Commuter's Council. "There are so many increasing costs. I don't know where they are going to get the money from."
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OK, so they raise fares to "keep the level of service" and now they propose cuts. ANOTHER LIE!
I'd like to see the whole MTA board hung.
LI Bus is bad enough, you cant cut any service. Imagine the N20 or N21 running every 2 hours! Alot of ppl will be left at the stop. And I remember the last time, planned on canning the N19,73,74,78,79,80,and 81 routes entirely! People will not be able to get to work!
Meanwhile start writing the MTA, Pataki, Nassau county and the news. I have already flooded the MTA and Nassau county government with email protesting the cuts.
If there's any message the MTA is saying to people who work or live in Nassau county, its to "GET A CAR AND A DRIVER LICENSE!".
Of course, my PERSONAL feeling is that any city or county that does not want to fund buses should have zero say in how they are run. So let's pass the Regional Bus act, where NYC and Long Island cannot interfere with ANY mass transport service witihin their jurisdiction. Then we'll see how long they continue to cut.
Just another example of how poorly our state is run. The Governor and State Legislature mandate increased spending on pensions and Medicaid, and get political credit, while passing the bill to local government. So now that everyone understands that the MTA is a state agency, local governments try to get out paying into it, since Pataki will get the blame for the service cuts. All these pols have the same game plan -- divert money from the special interests that support them from the rest of us, and make it look like someone else is to blame. If you know enough, it makes you sick.
Also, LIRR does not drop prices for reverse commute like the MNRR does on their lines with special tickets to Westchester from Bronx.
If the LIRR lowered fares specifically to get to key points like Hempstead or Great Neck, Those LI buses that duplicate these services would be less useful like the N6 or N20/21.
One resolution would be to extend certain TA Queens routes further past the border.
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Mark
BIG AL
Or it could have been cleverly, um, edited. I saw RTS #433 riding around Brooklyn on Saturday.
Orion V Suburban 132 was riding around for a while with the number 321 in the front.
Recently, I saw a S53 going over the VZ Bridge, and the number on the back panel said 6235. I think it had to be 6325, which CAS does have, but I really doubt it could be 6235. As far as i remember, Cas has 6142-6326 or 6328.
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BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Queens Division continues to get reamed.
Mark
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
Maybe it still has the outer light above the rear door that goes on when it opens and closes, as the rest of the buses had, but then they were removed????
Peace,
Kevin
BIG AL
Vents in the rear upper panel on both sides?
BIG AL
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
MetroB
MetroB
MetroB
This year sucked, though.
BIG AL
In one way it was much better than the traditional BusFest: it was on two days, not just one. Not everyone can make it on a Saturday.
I was at the last 2 of them:
June 22, 2002
September 13, 2003
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
BIG AL
Michael
Washington, DC
JD
Whoops - I meant 'box' instead of 'bos'.
JD
S42 FERRY TERMINAL
S42 CLYDE PL
S42 HAVENWOOD RD
S44 FERRY TERMINAL
S44 YUKON AV
S46 FERRY TERMINAL
S46 SOUTH AV
S48 FERRY TERMINAL
S48 HOLLAND AV
S51 FERRY TERMINAL
S51 RICHMOND RD
S51 MIDLAND AV
S52 FERRY TERMINAL
S52 MASON AV
S53 PORT RICHMOND AV
S53 FOURTH AV
S54 BROADWAY
S54 RICHMOND AV
S55 RING RD
S55 EYLANDT ST
S56 RING RD
S56 EYLANDT ST
S57 PORT RICHMOND AV
S57 EBBITTS ST
S59 PORT RICHMOND AV
S59 HYLAN BL
S59 MAIN ST
S60 VICTORY BL
S60 ARLO RD
S60 RENWICK AV
S61 FERRY TERMINAL
S61 YUKON AV
S62 FERRY TERMINAL
S62 WILD AV
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"Owned by: The Port Authority of NY & NJ
OPERATED BY: NJ TRANSIT BUS OPERATIONS, INC"
I gues that means it was oned by the Port Authority, but I thought that NJT recieved these buses first from NYCT. I also noticed some old GMC RTS buses have PA in front of their fleet numbers, why? Thanks.
MetroB
Purchased by: THE PORT AUTHORITY OF NY & NJ
Leased to: New Jersey Transit Corporation
Operated by: N. J. Transit Bus Operations, Inc.
The 1981 Flx 870s were delivered with
"Operated by: Transport of New Jersey"
as the third line since the name was still in effect at that time. When TNJ became NJTBO, the decals were changed. Companies that received new buses direct from NJT had their legal names in the "Operated by:" area.
The PANYNJ supplied a lot of money to both NJT and NYCT in the 80s to purchase buses. The reason why not all NJT buses of any given purchase were not all PA-owned is because oif the PA's territorial restriuctions. PA buses were not allowed to be used outside of a 75-mile radius of New York City - depending on who you asked, the focal point was either Times Square, the World Trade Center, or the Statue of Liberty. This meant that NJT buses destined for south Jersey had to be funded by USDOT.
The NJT orders funded in whole or part by the PA were:
- 271 1981 Grumman Flxible 870
- 700 1982-84 MCI MC-9
- 165 1983 Flxible Metro
- 110 1986 Volvo B-10M (only order 100% PA-owned)
- 620 1980 Grumman Flxible 870 (ex NYCT, delivered 1986-88)
- 415 1987 MCI MC-9
The PA money was considered to be "local share" money that could be matched by USDOT for additional capital funds.
Trivia: the first 100 of the 1981 870s had a half-size "PA" in front of the nuymber. All subsequent buses had the letters the same height as the numbers, as did those first 100 when they went for their mid-life overhaul and repaint. The PA was also supposed to pay for all the TNJ-owned buses when NJ Transit purchased Transport of New Jersey and Maplewood Equipment Company from PSE&G. Most of the TNJ and all of the MEC buses were already owned by NJDOT, but the remainder needed to be purchased - the PA board oted down that funding, and the purchase of TNJ/MEC was held up for nearly a year until USDOT came up with the money necessary.
MetroB
MetroB
I recall also seeing an MSBA Grumman 870 in Flushing back in the 1980's with a 'PA' prefix and the special lettering.
Jim D.
Does anyone have the description of the current order with Orion? I am interested in finding out exactly how many buses are on order, what model they are and what the powertrain is?
Any help is appreciated.
Mike Vainchtein
Toronto
http://members.rogers.com/transitstop/index.html
Mike's Transit Stop
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I was referring to NYMTA. I know some of them are CNG and others are HEV, but not sure how many of each and whether they are Orion VI's or VII's?
6365-6429 (65) MCH HEV
6430-6494 (65) QV
6495-6559 (65) FP
6560-6624 (65) ENY
6625-6689 (65) To Be Announced
7560-7684 (125) Jackie Gleason - Orion 07.501
7685-7809 (125) West Farms - Orion 07.501
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Have any come in already? If so, what have been the experience with them so far?
We (here in Toronto) have started to receive our order for 100 Orion VII (only about 10 in service so far). But we have another 120 coming next year and mst likely 250 more in 2005.
And what's this about 15 free buses? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Just because Orion was almost two years late on delivery? (We were supposed to have gotten all of our Orion VIIs already...even though we added on a number of buses to the order...
Incognito
This is Orion VII HEV that is lurking around, I have no Idea where it currently stands. Last Seen on some Gun Hill Route.
Here is the Orion VII CNG Version #7566 on the B77 route in Red Hook, Brooklyn.
Want more photos? Click here!
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Just to name a few...
Incognito
If that's what I think it means, are you saying it blew up?
Oh, my, we can't have buses running arounf blowing up like that..
Incognito
At the following links you can find 2 pics of a London Invero I took in July:
from the front
from the back
Burlington Invero Gallery
MARTA Orion VII Diesel
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Incognito
There's a date/time LED display inside the bus. Is this in an MTA-NYC bus? Do all of them have it? Do they have automated announcements (Kinda like GBL 5501, the JFK Airport buses, MTA-LIB 100-300's O5's, RiversideTA NABI's, etc.)?
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
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BIG AL
These buses have not been assigned as yet because its a good 18 months away before they are scheduled to start delivery
Thank You
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Effective January the M-15 service will be reduced because of the line being converted to articulated
Is somebody in Operations Planning out of their mind?
Even though seating capacity will be increased by 35% this line will be a disaster because it will take twice as long to get on and off the buses
The best way to improve the M-15 is to convert the line to artics and leave the schedule the way it is.
BTW- Headways show an increase of 1 minuate average. It does not show how many runs are being cut
Thank You
But will this increase travel time from Point A till Point B since they are less buses on a line.
So what's the logic for cutting the amount of buses when a line is converted from standard to articulated buses
If my trip took 30 minuates before it seems that trip will now take longer
Can you advise ?
Thank You
# of busses decrease = # of passengers increase = Increase dwell time at major stops = longer running time.
To elaborate, lets say you ride on the M15 everyday from 34 street to City Hall, your bus comes every 5 minutes, and the dwell time is about 30 seconds since the bulk of the connecting M34 passengers took the bus before, so the remaining few people are waiting for the second bus. You get on the RTS, and it takes you about 30 minutes to get to City Hall.
Now, lets say they decrease service: Youre waiting for a M15 to city hall, a RTS pulls up behind you, and people who want to go down Second Avenue goes to the bus shelter (These are the people who refuse to take the subway btw). Your Articulate comes in. Now, youre former 30 second dwell time has been increased to 2 minutes because of the people who are slow walkers, those who dont know if the bus is a M15 or a B15, and obnoxious school kids. Now the dwell time at every bus stop (exept yours) is 1 minute. 1 minute for every bus stop, your total travel time one way is now roughly 40 minutes(assuming you take the limited).
David
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B17 UTICA AV
B17 SEAVIEW AV
B17 80 ST
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B20 POSTAL FACILLITY RD
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B23 NEW UTRECHT AV
B24 MANHATTEN AV
B24 BROADWAY
B25 BROADWAY
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B41 VETERANS AV
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B45 COURT ST
B46 BROADWAY
B46 AVENUE U
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B47 AVENUE U
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B51 FULTON ST
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B52 TILLARY ST
B54 WYCKOFF AV
B54 TILLARY ST
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B57 BOERUM PL
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B63 SHORE RD
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B64 SURF AV
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B65 FULTON ST
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B67 CORTELYOU RD
B68 BARTEL PRITCHARD SQ
B68 SURF AV
B69 JAY ST
B69 TENTH AV
B70 FIRST AV
B70 POLY PL
B71 STERLING PL
B71 VAN BRUNT ST
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B74 NEPTUNE AV
B75 SANDS ST
B75 EIGHTH AV
B77 FIFTH AV
B77 VAN BRUNT ST
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B82 STILLWELL AV
B83 FULTON ST
B83 SEAVIEW AV
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M1 LAFAYETTE ST
M1 WHITEHALL ST
M2 AUDUBON AV
M2 LAFAYETTE ST
M3 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
M3 BROADWAY
M4 CABRINI BL
M4 SEVENTH AV
M5 BROADWAY
M5 HOUSTON ST
M6 SIXTH AV
M6 WHITEHALL ST
M7 147 ST
M7 UNIVERSITY PL
M8 AVENUE D
M8 CHRISTOPHER ST
M9 FOURTH AV
M9 LIBERTY ST
M10 159 ST
M10 31 ST
M11 RIVERSIDE DR
M11 BETHUNE ST
M14 WEST ST
M14 CHERRY ST
M14 COLUMBIA ST
M15 126 ST
M15 WHITEHALL ST
M15 PARK PL
M16 FIRST AV
M16 42 ST
M18 AUDUBON AV
M18 FIFTH AV
M20 BROADWAY
M20 LIBERTY ST
M21 FIRST AV
M21 HUDSON ST
M22 CHERRY ST
M22 VESEY ST
M22 SAINT JAMES PL
M23 AVENUE C
M23 22 ST
M50 FIRST AV
M50 42 ST
M57 YORK AV
M57 BROADWAY
M60 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
M60 BROADWAY
M66 YORK AV
M66 66 ST
M72 YORK AV
M72 FREEDOM PL
M79 YORK AV
M79 RIVERSIDE DR
M86 YORK AV
M86 BROADWAY
M96 FIRST AV
M96 BROADWAY
M98 CABRINI BL
M98 LEXINGTON AV
M100 BROADWAY
M100 THIRD AV
M101 190 ST
M101 THIRD AV
M102 147 ST
M102 THIRD AV
M103 LEXINGTON AV
M103 BEEKMAN ST
M104 AMSTERDAM AV
M104 FIRST AV
M106 FIRST AV
M106 BROADWAY
M116 PLEASANT AV
M116 BROADWAY
BX1 RIVERDALE AV
BX1 LINCOLN AV
BX2 FORT INDEPENDENCE ST
BX2 LINCOLN AV
BX3 BROADWAY
BX3 WADSWORTH AV
BX4 LANE AV
BX4 BERGEN AV
BX5 WESTCHESTER AV
BX5 SHORE RD
BX5 PARK DR
BX6 HALLECK ST
BX6 RIVERSIDE DR
BX7 RIVERDALE AV
BX7 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX8 WHITE PLAINS RD
BX8 TIERNEY PL
BX9 BROADWAY
BX9 BOSTON RD
BX10 RIVERDALE AV
BX10 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX11 WESTCHESTER AV
BX11 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX12 BROADWAY
BX12 BAY PLAZA BL
BX12 PARK DR
BX13 FORT WASHINGTON AV
BX13 RIVER AV
BX13 ELTON AV
BX14 AMPERE AV
BX14 HUGH GRANT CR
BX15 FORDHAM RD
BX15 BROADWAY
BX16 ROPES AV
BX16 BAINBRIDGE AV
BX17 FORDHAM RD
BX17 WALNUT AV
BX18 MORRIS AV
BX18 SEDGWICK AV
BX19 FORDHAM RD
BX19 RIVERSIDE DR
BX20 246 ST
BX20 BROADWAY
BX21 LANE AV
BX21 LINCOLN AV
BX22 ZEREGA AV
BX22 BOSTON RD
BX22 VALENTINE AV
BX22 PAUL AV
BX25 ERSKINE PL
BX25 PAUL AV
BX26 ERSKINE PL
BX26 PAUL AV
BX27 CORNELL AV
BX27 WESTCHESTER AV
BX27 SOUTHERN BL
BX28 ERSKINE PL
BX28 VALENTINE AV
BX29 BARTOW AV
BX29 ROCHELLE ST
BX30 ERSKINE PL
BX30 ROCHAMBEAU AV
BX31 WEBSTER AV
BX31 WESTCHESTER AV
BX32 WEBB AV
BX32 LINCOLN AV
BX33 LOCUST AV
BX33 SAINT NICHOLAS AV
BX34 KATONAH AV
BX34 FORDHAM RD
BX35 HOE AV
BX35 BROADWAY
BX36 RANDALL AV
BX36 BROADWAY
BX39 GUN HILL RD
BX39 CORNELL AV
BX40 PENNYFIELD AV
BX40 SEDGWICK AV
BX41 CRANFORD AV
BX41 WILLIS AV
BX42 BALCOM AV
BX42 SEDGWICK AV
BX55 149 ST
BX55 FORHAM RD
BX55 WHITE PLAINS RD
Q1 165 ST
Q1 BRADDOCK AV
Q1 SPRINGFIELD BL
Q2 HEMPSTEAD AV
Q2 165 ST
Q3 165 ST
Q3 KENNEDY AIRPORT
Q4 LINDEN BL
Q4 PARSONS BL
Q5 PARSONS BL
Q5 GREEN ACRES RD
Q5 BROOKVILLE BL
Q12 GLENWOOD ST
Q12 MAIN ST
Q13 TOTTEN AV
Q13 MAIN ST
Q14 CLINTONVILLE ST
Q14 MAIN ST
Q15 POWELLS COVE BL
Q15 MAIN ST
Q16 TOTTEN AV
Q16 MAIN ST
Q17 MAIN ST
Q17 165 ST
Q20 MERRICK BL
Q20 COLLEGE POINT BL
Q24 165 ST
Q24 PATCHEN AV
Q26 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q26 MAIN ST
Q27 JAMAICA AV
Q27 MAIN ST
Q28 BELL BL
Q28 MAIN ST
Q30 NASSAU BL
Q30 SUTPHIN BL
Q30 MERRICK BL
Q31 FRANCIS LEWIS BL
Q31 SUTPHIN BL
Q32 NORTHERN BL
Q32 SEVENTH AV
Q36 JAMAICA AV
Q36 165 ST
Q42 PARSONS BL
Q42 SAYRES AV
Q43 HILLSIDE AV
Q43 SUTPHIN BL
Q44 MERRICK BL
Q44 BOSTON RD
Q46 LAKEVILLE RD
Q46 QUEENS BL
Q48 MAIN ST
Q48 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT
Q54 JAMAICA AV
Q54 BROADWAY
Q55 HILLSIDE AV
Q55 WYCKOFF AV
Q56 JAMAICA AV
Q56 VAN SINDEREN AV
Q58 MAIN ST
Q58 PALMETTO ST
Q59 JUNCTION BL
Q59 KENT AV
Q74 MELBOURNE AV
Q74 QUEENS BL
Q75 CLOVERDALE BL
Q75 165 ST
Q76 132 ST
Q76 165 ST
Q77 165 ST
Q77 145 RD
Q79 249 ST
Q79 JAMAICA AV
Q83 JAMAICA AV
Q83 HILLSIDE AV
Q84 130 AV
Q84 PARSONS BL
Q85 PARSONS BL
Q85 GREEN ACRES RD
Q88 JAMAICA AV
Q88 QUEENS BL
N1 ROCKAWAY AV
N1 ELMONT RD
N1 165 ST
N2 GREEN ACRES RD
N2 COVERT AV
N2 165 ST
N3 GREEN ACRES RD
N3 FRANKLIN AV
N3 165 ST
N4 HENRY ST
N4 PARSONS BL
N6 JACKSON ST
N6 165 ST
N8 GREEN ACRES RD
N8 FRANKLIN AV
N14 DEMOTT AV
N14 MERRICK RD
N15 ZECKENDORF BL
N15 CENTER ST
N16 FOXHURST AV
N16 STEWART AV
N17 CENTRE AV
N17 JACKSON ST
N19 MAIN ST
N19 RAILROAD AV
N20 NEWBRIDGE RD
N20 MAIN ST
N21 BRIDGE ST
N21 MAIN ST
N22 165 ST
N22 JERUSALEM AV
N22 ZECKENDORF AV
N23 ORCHARD BEACH RD
N23 OLD COUNTRY RD
N24 MERRICK AV
N24 165 ST
N25 MIDDLE NECK RD
N25 LANGDON PL
N26 COMMUNITY DR
N26 165 ST
N27 BRIDGE ST
N27 JACKSON ST
N28 SHORE RD
N28 LINCOLN AV
N31 JACKSON ST
N31 SEAGIRT BL
N32 JACKSON ST
N32 SEAGIRT BL
N33 CENTER ST
N33 MOTT AV
N35 ROCKLAND ST
N35 WASHINGTON ST
N36 HENRY ST
N36 BROADWAY
N37 JACKSON ST
N37 ATLANTIC AV
N40 THIRD AV
N40 HENRY ST
N41 THIRD AV
N41 HENRY ST
N43 ZECKENDORF BL
N43 HENRY ST
N45 SELFRIDGE AV
N45 CENTRE AV
N46 MERRICK RD
N46 JACKSON ST
N47 JERUSALEM AV
N47 JACKSON ST
N48 JACKSON ST
N48 BROADWAY
N49 JACKSON ST
N49 BROADWAY
N50 NEWBRIDGE RD
N50 CENTRE AV
N51 SELFRIDGE AV
N51 HEWLETT AV
N52 WILLIAM ST
N52 HEWLETT AV
N53 PARK AV
N53 HEWLETT AV
N54 JACKSON ST
N54 OAK ST
N55 JACKSON ST
N55 LOUDEN AV
N57 PARK PL
N57 MIDDLE NECK RD
N58 KINGS POINT RD
N58 PARK PL
N62 HENRY ST
N62 HOWARD AV
N65 MAIN ST
N65 MERRICK AV
N66 MAIN ST
N66 EMROY RD
N67 STEWART AV
N67 PRINCE AV
N70 JACKSON ST
N70 PINELAWN RD
N71 JACKSON ST
N71 CARMANS RD
N72 JACKSON ST
N72 RAILROAD AV
N73 BARCLAY ST
N73 MERRICK RD
N74 BARCLAY ST
N74 MERRICK RD
N78 THIRD AV
N78 NEWTOWN RD
N79 THIRD AV
N79 PLAINVIEW RD
N80 JOHN ST
N80 CARMANS RD
N81 JOHN ST
N81 CARMANS RD
N93 STEWART AV
N93 GLENN CURTISS BL
N94 NEWBRIDGE RD
N94 PIQUETS LN
N95 PINELAWN RD
N95 SECATOGUE AV
X1 SEVENTH AV
X1 ARTHUR KILL RD
X2 THIRD AV
X2 EBBITTS ST
X2 PARK AV
X2 TYSENS LN
X3 VESEY ST
X3 EBBITTS ST
X3 TYSENS LN
X4 VESEY ST
X4 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 ARTHUR KILL RD
X5 THIRD AV
X5 PARK AV
X6 SEVENTH AV
X6 ARTHUR KILL RD
X7 SEVENTH AV
X7 RICHMOND AV
X8 PEARL ST
X8 RICHMOND AV
X9 SEVENTH AV
X9 EBBITTS ST
X9 TYSENS LN
X10 THIRD AV
X10 JEWETT AV
X11 BROADWAY
X11 WILD AV
X12 11 AV
X12 SOUTH AV
X13 JEWETT AV
X13 RECTOR ST
X13 WHITEHALL ST
X14 11 AV
X14 JEWETT AV
X15 RICHMOND AV
X15 RECTOR ST
X15 WHITEHALL ST
X16 BROADWAY
X16 POST AV
X17 THIRD AV
X17 WOODROW RD
X18 TARGEE ST
X18 RECTOR ST
X18 SCHOOL RD
X18 WHITEHALL ST
X19 BROADWAY
X19 WOODROW RD
X20 RECTOR ST
X20 WHITEHALL ST
X20 FINGERBOARD RD
X20 SAND LN
X22 PAGE AV
X22 THIRD AV
X22 PARK AV
X25 PARK AV
X25 VESEY ST
X26 34 ST
X26 VESEY ST
X27 MADISON AV
X27 MARINE AV
X28 MADISON AV
X28 SURF AV
X29 MADISON AV
X29 STILLWELL AV
X30 11 AV
X30 CLOVE RD
X31 ARTHUR KILL RD
X31 THIRD AV
X31 PARK AV
X32 PARK AV
X32 165 ST
X51 165 ST
X51 34 ST
X37 MADISON AV
X37 MARINE AV
X38 MADISON AV
X38 SURF AV
X63 FIRST AV
X63 253 ST
X64 FIRST AV
X64 LINDEN BL
X68 FIRST AV
X68 HILLSIDE AV
X90 VESEY ST
X90 92 ST
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Only movie bus 4199 (formerly 1648) has the PA sticker.
Four of them are still in the storage yard; I don't know if they're still in use or not. As of 9/14, one 4400 (along with a RIPTA 1990 TMC) was still in the scrap lot, and everything else had been hauled away. I doubt they're buying more, but you never know.
Somewhere in the ever-growing "to be scanned" pile...
http://www.king-long.com/english/products/citybus/profile.htm
The only thing I did like about the bus was the mirrors. They were like Setra's coach mirrors, with the high mount front bumper mirror. That would help us out a lot when pulling out of a sawtooth with a bus in front of us.
Jebus! If that's the case, throw a pencil at it and lets watch it explode! Haha!
BTW - Do you know where I can get my hands on old NJT bus schedules, like from the 80's?
I'd LOVE to if I possibly could.
Thanks
The 304 actually started in Ridgewood, not Saddle Brook. I still have the NJT advertisement for it. It started at Linwood Avenue and NJ 17, stopped at the Howard Johnson's in Paramus on 17, then the Saddle Brook Marriott and Hackensack Bus Terminal. The 303 stopped in Fort Lee and at Glenpointe in Teaneck. ShortLine handled points north of Ridgewood along 17, and the two operators cross-promoted these services. The reason behind the 303/304 was simple: these were the boom days of PeoplEXPRESS Airlines, and NJT saw the routes as a way to get those travelers from Bergen County to EWR. The 303/304 didn;t last a year. Despite the low fares ($5 from GWB, $4 from Bergen County), ridership was still too low to offset the cost of operating the bus - by the way, NJT used GMC decks exclusively on this route that dated from the late 60s-early 70s - they were literally pulled from the mothballs just for this run.
The 300 originally started as the TNJ 107A shortly after the new terminals at EWR first opened in 1973. NJT renumbered it to 300 in the early 80s after the TNJ takeover.
I do have a large selection of 80s-era NJT scheds; I'll go through them and decide which ones I'm willing to part with - more info later.
MetroB
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4210 09/20/2003 23A
4288 09/20/2003 10B
4381 09/20/2003 2B
4384 09/18/2003 25B
4385 09/18/2003 25B
It at first appeared that Arlington division was selected to do these installations, but I think the 23A runs out of Four Mile and the 10B out of Royal except when Orion VIs run from Four Mile. It is definitely a Northern VA thing, because 4309 got its start here at Royal division.
Fairfax Connector South (Yellow/Connex) made the same modification to their 1998 Orion Vs starting a year ago but Fairfax Connector North (First) has not yet done so as of I guess July.
Wayne
I thought it was 4289 and still might very well might be along with 4288. I saw one of them in at FMR with the orange signs.
What are your fave speils?
By the way, at http://www.johnvillanueva.com/sites/r-142sounds.html , one can hear the "3" Train announcement (under "This is a Harlem bound 3 Train") This site is a godsend to someone who goes away to school in PA!
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It's funny because she sounds kinda drunk doing it.
All time fave:
" THis is a Brooklyn College, Flatbush avenue bound, 5 express train. The next. Stop is. NEWkirk avenue"
BIG AL
Robert
Robert
BIG AL
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NEWTON AV: Newton Av just past the I-676 underpass
WASHINGTON TWP: NJ 42 (Black Horse Pike) in Sicklerville
HAMILTON: At the Hamilton Rail Station
EGG HARBOR TWP: Don't know the exact location...
I think the South Jersey Body Shop is at Washington Twp, but don't quote me on it...
About one week after the roster was posted, I saw 996 on Northern Blvd. heading eastbound toward the start of the X51 route.
http://www.iowaworkforce.org/access
Now that bus looks suspiciously like a KC Metro Gillig Phantom, but it could be that Iowa has a similarly colored transit system running lookalike Gilligs.
BUT...
Courtesy Busdude.com
This shot of Breda DuoBus 5101 (the only Breda to have it's diesel removed to become a true ETB, so far) on route 7 at 4th and Jackson operating as a pure trolleybus. It shows an unmistakably KC Metro bus (for one nobody else ever had Bredas) at the same location as above. Specifically notice the poles for the trolley overhead, the bus stop sign and the one-time watertower support on the building behind the bus. Just the only thing missing from the picture is the numberboards on the Gillig, which either could have been easily photoshopped (or heck, MsPaint-ed) out, or at some point KC Metro ran the Gilligs without the massive number of numberboards. Also missing is the overhead for the trolleybusses, but that too could be easily photoshopped, or just lost by a small exposure problem.
Now I have a question (actually a few), does Iowa currently lack ADA-compatible wheelchair lift equipped busses? Why on earth would they need to resort to pictures of a system well outside their area? Also, why didn't they at least credit the photographer or even the system that the picture came from, instead of pawning it off as one of their own?
Oh well, just found this slightly amusing...
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As for bids for future contracts, I wouldn't know what to say.
Seattle's picky about buses they purchase, as a result of the Breda debacle.
I doubt that there will ever be another neoplan purchased in the state of Washington. WA is a Gillig/New Flyer/Orion state.
CT has 6 tired and worn out 1990 Neoplan AN460's, that mostly see service only during commute hours. These are the only Neoplans in the Pacific NW.
Brian Bradford
bn897@scn.org
member BFT Citizens Advisory Committee
--What I say are my own words, not those of any organizations I belong to.--
Taking the SEPTA approach to the issue are we BASMAN? The MAN Artics happen to be ETBs, so unless you wannna go get specially made electrics like Boston did, going with Neoplan would mean the dieselification of several KC Metro Routes that pretty much require ETBs. The hills in Seattle are pretty severe (Seattle was the most recent city to abandon it's Cable Cars, leaving on SF with them), and diesels would just grind away where the electrics are able to zip up and down them, dieselizing the ETB routes on Capitol Hill and Queen Anne Hill would just lead to a lot of noise, smoke and slower speeds.
Since Seattle has a bus which works well in the electric mode, comes ready built with poles and all, why not just chuck the diesel and go with the mode that works? They've got 236 or so Bredas, which is more than enough to replace the MAN. Heck, if all the Bredas become ETBs KC Metro could have such a windfall of ETBs that they could concievably add several routes to their ETB network and still have enough ETBs to go around. I'd suggest the 24, it's already an Artic route (or at least it was the last time I was out there), and Magnolia is a place with just a few hills. Also I'd like to ride an ETB out to my childhood home and Discovery Park when I'm out there. : )
I just happen to be born in Seattle, and I grew up with the MAN SG-220s and SG-310s on what is now the 24 to Magnolia, cept I want to say it was the 28 back then, and that they ran on the street behind us, 28th. I still try to keep up with the happenings in KC Metro and other transit properties in the Pacific Northwest, but I'm only marginally successful at that. Heck, the only way I stumbled across that 'Iowa' picture is because a person from Rochester claimed it was an Iowan bus operator in a chat.
It's too bad that the Bredas can't be rebuilt with Detroit Diesel or Cat engines, and the Bus Tunnel run with both ETB and LRT operations, it's completely possible. Also the DE60LFs that KC Metro seems to be looking at for the tunnel will eventually have to run their diesels in the tunnel, no way that the battery will hold out for the mile and half full of starts and stops, how do they plan on venting this exhaust?
However, I'll be somewhat relieved to see the Bredas hang around a few years, even if it is at the cost of the MAN SGT-310s, for some reason I've always liked the look of the Bredas. I'll have to go see if I can find my old paper model I got when we rode one of the inagural busses.
Mike
Des Moines, IA
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First of all, none of the routes that operate in or around Penn Station uses the Artics.
The best thing to do is after arriving to Penn Station, you could either walk or take the eastbound M16 or M34 on 34th St 4 blocks to Lexington Ave. where the M101, M102, and M103 operates. If I'm not mistaking, they are 100% artics. They also run quite frequently.
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Guaranteed on the M23, M79, M86, M101, M102, and M103, any time of day or night.
Likely on the M15.
Possible on the M31, M35, M57, and M116.
Next to impossible on any other Manhattan route.
Penn Station is half a mile from 23rd Street, where you'll find the M23. Walk or ride down there and you'll see plenty.
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NYC Transit's first order of Flxibles was from 1964 and its last order was from 1977-78.
NYCT hasn't had roll signs since 5227 was retired in 1995. Odds are they were thrown out as the buses they were on were retired. 5227 is in the Transit Museum's collection. Last I saw, it was being stored at Jackie Gleason Depot, but the museum buses move around from time to time as storage needs dictate.
The NYC Transit Police Department had a 1973 GMC, numbered 3000. It was retired several years ago. When NYCT began retiring its rebuilt New Looks, the Police Department got a few -- as far as I know, they're all gone. LI Bus also got a few, and those are definitely gone.
David
Opportunity to find out
(I intentionally missed the drift...)
Peace
David
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8502-9922
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8540-630 699 9923
8550- 2077 2077
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Jim D.
So he wants to play the game of "Ghetto Wong Chong" Chinatown buses...;-)
When I get my power back, somebody's gonna feel the wrath of Chinatown bus revenge, muahahahahahahahahah!
;-)
At 2:25 this morning. Needless to say, my whole weekend went to waste and I had alot of stuff to do that just won't get done when it needs to be. In other words, no ridiculing me about the 27 this week...
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Check out this thread to see pictures of some of us BusTalkers changing the roll sign on that bus:
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=86241
Copy and paste that link into your address bar.
http://photos.transitgallery.com/DC-Transit
WMATA was having great ridership on subway and rail, until SEPT 11. Then that event happened and everything went wrong. But to make a long story short WMATA's insurance went up as a result of trains and buses being a target, more than ever. Before September 11th, there was less of a chance that a bus or train being blown up, but now there is more of a chance for that to happen. Now WMATA was planning to order 250 CNG buses for FMR, but due to decreased ridership and escalating costs due to insurance and other factors, that order was cut down to 160 or even if it is still going to proceed, and there is still no word on the CNG facility at FMR. There has been to my knowledge or seeing any construction at FMR on that facility yet(but it doesn't mean that it is being or about to be built). Now if September 11th didn't happen, most likely that second CNG facility would have been built with the bus order going through and maybe being delivered by now and remember this order was supposed to be in by now, but right now it maybe 2004 before it comes in if it does at all.
How do we QS will be glad to give up these routes I am sure of all except the Q65A. also are you sure QS will accept these routes with a dwindling equipment replacement going on. Those MCI classic are being phased out currently someone had pointed out that 400 new buses are on order, I dont know if this was meant for Triboro or all Queens Privates which is good since GBL and JB need to replace those aging RTS'. It does need investigation on what Triboro or DOT will do with this if they are going to turn these routes over to TA or have QS and Green take these routes. Why Green they are also a Cooper company which can make them responsible for covering these routes.
TO answer your second question, maybe fresh pond for Q67,Q39,Q38,Q18,Q45 use other routes to combine since there is no depot in the Astoria/Woodside area.
Hope this helps,
JONN
One funny story from the Isabel aftermath and this is why you watch the news. I was heading to Beltway Plaza to pick up my tux for my cousin's wedding, and low and behold there was a person waiting to catch the F12. Two problems there. One all WMATA buses was running on a Saturday schedule and Two the F12 only runs on weekdays. Isn't this reminisent of something, LOL!!!!
Wayne
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Very Simple...
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Transit DC...Representing DC Area Transit And Beyond.
BTW, Don't forget to check out my DC Transit Gallery at http://photos.transitgallery.com/DC-Transit
I assume other bus services are on schedule with detours and delays
I drove out River Road this morning. The light at Burning Tree and Nevis was out causing a delay that spilled onto the Beltway and went up the hill towards Bradley Boulevard, it probably went all the way to Potomac Village. I saw one outbound T2 (9706) but no inbounds. But to give you an idea of how this one dark light can mess up bus service, there was N7 (9258) at the light when I got there and the next bus was waiting to exit onto River Road from the beltway. I am sure those two buses will still be the regular distance apart once they get out of that mess. But traffic overall was surprisingly light on both River Road and Bradley Boulevard.
Be safe driving out there and have a great day!
HP and Amsterdam closed on 9/8, West Farms and 100th Street opened. The Q32 is now split between MJQ and CS.
Since MJQ took over th e Hudson Pier Lines(b/c Hudson Pier closed down on 9/7) I have saw totally diffent buses.
BTW I did see Nova RTS 9273(Ex Suburban) on saturday running the M14 line 2 times(At around 2 PM going to Chelisa Piers and again at 6 PM going to Lower East Side)
Incognito
-Fred
I recall seeing an ex-Pottstown Flxible 30-ft New Look at this site a few years ago. Last year, there was a 35-ft RTS, possibly used by DART First State on its Sussex County routes (there were no markings on the bus, but it had a "208 REHOBOTH BEACH" sign up). I don't know if this is a bus sales company or not, but if anyone in Philadelphia has a chance to see these buses, the lot is west of Springfield Mall approaching I-476.
These were not in OmniRide livery for very long. I remember seeing them in an orange scheme that I do not recall at the old Pentagon Transit Center.
FWIW, those are the buses that I saw yesterday. I never knew that OmniRide once had MCI Classics...
I totally forgot that the X32 is now shared with Stengel. My bad.
Peace
David
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Reason I'm asking is that I once posted here from one of the computers at my school, but now whenever I come here from the school, it automatically says I'm G1Ravage. If anybody else at my school happens to find this board, they can post under my name. Which is very possible because all of the computers at my school are connected, so now www.nycsubway.org is in the history of every single computer. I tried deleting it, but I couldn't.
So....help!
Oh wait...I don't think there's a toolbar in the browser window. I'll check tomorrow.
Still looking for a way to log out, though.
After doing some more exploring through the computer system, I realized that you can only view your OWN history when logged on. So there shouldn't be any problems.
MetroB
MetroB
Started at Fordham plaza and as soon as I exited the RR station, my Bx9 artic pulled up and I boarded it for the first leg of the trip. The artic was not bad but the acceleration is not as good as the Orions. Still the ride was smooth as I got off at East 180th st for the Q44. A bit of a wait a on Q44 was OOS and then another pulled up. The B/O announced, as well as the sign side, that he is going to Flushing only (must be his last trip then he goes back to Stengel). I finally got my chance to see the newly opened West Farms depot. Very nice job NYCT oversaw, wonder what the upcoming Maspeth depot will look like. We did good speed on the I95 service road and on the Whitestone Bridge to the 14th Ave exit. I got off at the "last stop" on Roosevelt Ave, near the #7 station entrance. Sorry no redbirds, the next train was on middle track, I had ample time to go to the RF window. Time of departure was about 9:05, we had to wait until another train arrived, was taken OOS and fumigated before returning to Corona Yard. After that OOS train left, we took off. The lights of Shea Stadium were still on, but the MUTTS lost again earlier, another lost season for them. (Yes I am a NY Yankee fan, so I had to rub it in.). Got off at 74th st for the transfer to the IND downstairs, both express platforms were out and all E and F trains were running local. Took that to 63rd Drive and had to make a stopover there before I could go home. Upon leaving, a cop was stationed there and he stopped a bodybuilder with a empty bottle he was throwing away, but he had little recourse because he had already threw the bottle out. But he sure was a minor pain as you will see on the next leg of my trip. Oh wow, it's 10 PM, do you know where this Subtalker/Bustalker is? Yes it was THAT late but my goal was to be home in Brooklyn by 11:30. I waited for the final Q53 express and I should've known better, the bodybuilder at 63rd Drive got on the bus too. He took the rear seats, I took my customarily front right seat to enjoy the ride. The operator went very fast, there was some traffic on Woodhaven but very little after entering Cross Bay Blvd. The Cross Bay bridge over the Belt Parkway was under reconstuction and we curved around it, no problem. During the entire ride from Rego Park to the Rockaways, the man in the back seat was talking loud to someone else and cursing very frequently, I played no mind. At Broad Channel, there was A BIG RAW SEWAGE STINK before the Cross Bay/Vets. Memorial Bridge. I couldn't take that, and I had to say something. As we were on the bridge span, I saw a rare R38 train going N/B (I counted the sets of lights as cars and knew it was 10), PLUS a Rocakaway shuttle (four long cars, so that was it). The shuttle train caught up to us after passing Beach 98th st station and arrived about the same time as us on Beach 116th st. I got off and walked up to the Q35, knew it was close to 11 PM departure so I would at least make it back to Brooklyn by 11:15. I got some ice cream at Baskin Robbins and the Q35 showed up from behind the diner and took off very slowly. A man was talking to the B/O about physics and this slowed the bus a but, but I was the only other passenger until Brooklyn. I arrived at the Flatbush junction and the B41 was behind that so I hopped onto it to Foster Ave and walked home. I finally arrived home at nearly Midnight after 17 hours riding the trains, trolleys and buses, it was a great day.
Bx9 NF D60HF Artic 5433
Q44 Orion V 6127
7 R62A 2019
E R32 3867
Q53 (Triboro) RTS/T.M.C. 2808
Q35 (GBL) Orion 5517
B41 RTS T.M.C. 8333
and THIS...
New Flyer D60HF Articulated #5259 on the Bx8 school tripper...this was taken around 3pm...it reached Crosby/Baisley Avs at 3:01pm...the trip before it was a school tripper that reached that stop at 2:57pm...Later I will find out what times they leave Tierney Place bound for Westchester Square...
Right now, I'm just posting this just for the hell of it...what do you guys think?
Incognito
Is that in the 229th St/Needham Av area? If so, doesn't the Bx31 have school trippers from there?
Incognito
Second question-used to have trippers for Bx16 and Bx31. Not to sure what they are doing now.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Gee, wish i had written these things down...
Inconito
Maybe you aren't interested in seeing as though how some streets are continually used as unofficial names(like 7th Avenue usage in Harlem, and stores on Bedford Park Boulevard that use E.200 ST at their addresses, and other oddities)
Of course in some cases the DOT responds (6th Avenue - Avenue of the Americas) in other cases 69th Street - Bay Ridge Avenue they do not
When the strike occured at FACC and STS in 1962 the city had to step in via "condemnation" proceeds to get the buses and routes back up and running under newly formed MABSTOA. I would assume that the city would have repainted the red and cream into the green ASAP.
I don't know when they were last pulled but I do remember standing on the corner of 14th St and First Avenue around 1966 and seeing the Ave. B and East Bway bus company using suburban editions of the Macks on their run to Yonkers Raceway.
The NYCTA Mack C-49s series 6000-6317 were retired in 1971 with the arrival of the T6H 5305A series 4300-4499.
Note: some might have worked in some routes past the dates given but for short a period of time and in minor roles.
At that time, they were painted green and cream and I believe they were under MABSTOA - but may have been under NYCTA.
The majority of the red and cream Macks were 35' C45 coaches of 1948 vintage that ran for Surface Transit on the M100, M101, M103 (the since vanished 59th Xtown), M104, and M106 (now M42). These buses lasted about a year into the MABSTOA era and were retired in 1963 with the arrival of the 3300-3500 series GM 5301s. A smaller group of newer 40' C49 coaches lasted, as another poster noted, till about 1966.
The TA also operated Macks (1950 vintage C50s)in Manhattan from 1950 to 1957 on the M15 and the M3 (49/50 Crosstown) routes. These buses went to Staten Island in 1957 in exchange for 4000 series GM 5101s and a new group of 7000 series GM 5104s. They were all retired around 1960. This group of Macks were a unique, patented design with extra large doors and offset seats designed for quick conversion to an ambulance in case of a military attack.
And to conclude...Jamaica Buses in Queens also had a small group of C45s, almost identical in style and paint scheme to the Surface Transit C45s.
Due to my moving back to New York City, I will be off line for about a week at the most.
If you REALLY need me, my two way will be on forwarding my IM's to my cell phone.
drivin genuis is the screen name for AOL, AIM and CompuServe users!
Though I will Not be able to reply, if it is THAT urgent, leave a number and I'll get back at you ASAP!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Transit DC...Representing DC Area Transit and Beyond.
a) What is the correct model name of the 22xx Gilligs?
b) Who is the maker of their LRT cars? How old are cars 104-5 and 122-127?
If those are the low-floor buses, then I believe they are known as the Gillig Advantage T-40.
b) Who is the maker of their LRT cars? How old are cars 104-5 and 122-127?
All of the NFTA Metro cars were built by Tokyu Car of Japan in the early 1980's.
JD
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Bus number- 5280
The third set of missing seats were located over the third axle, right side, behind the back doors. I couldn't get a pic of that set, since space is fairly restricted in the horribly designed rearmost section of the bus. The seat mounting hardware that attatches to the wheelwell was still there.
MetroRail is on time, MetroBus may have some detours
VRE Manassas Line experiencing delays of at least 30 minutes due to a slow order related to flash flood warnings
VRE Fredricksburg Line experiencing delays due to a signal problem (according to WTOP's Lisa Baden)
MARC Frederick service cancelled, passengers may take 991 bus from Monocacy
MARC Brunswick Line experiencing major delays
MARC Camden Line late (according to WTOP's Lisa Baden)
Ride-On buses are delayed due to rain, routes 1, 2, 20, 22, and 32 are on detours
No word on the other bus systems but they are most likely delayed but running
Tom's got a financial problem, so by shifting the cost to the MTA he'll also shift the blame if they dare to reduce or otherwise change service.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Routes that would be Eliminated on weekends
(N2- Green Acres-Floral Park Hempstead-Jamaica Eliminate)
(N19 Babylon-Freeport Eliminate)
Leave the N19 Alone!!
(N33 Long Beach-Far Rockaway Eliminate)
They need weekend service for the people going to the beaches down in Long Beach
(N36 Lynbrook-Freeport Eliminate)
(N45 Bellmore-Roosevelt Field Eliminate)
Never see anybody rideing the N45 to RF
(N51 Roosevelt Field Merrick Eliminate)
(N73 Wantagh- Hicksville Eliminate)
(N80/N81 Hicksville-Sunrise Mall Eliminate)
David
Why? So city residents can bail out Nassau County - AGAIN??
MTA's role (through Long Island Bus) is merely that of a contract carrier whose client (the County) simply refuses to pay. Why is that the city's fault?
Yes, but (I ask again) why should NYC residents be required to pay everyone else's bills? What do we owe Nassau?
The MTA/TA has been taking actions to consolidate, i.e. reduce some of the redundant functions at LI Bus, but they had every right to assume that Nassau County would continue to contribute SOME level of support.
LIB is a public transport agency, not a jobs protection program. Its sole reason for being is to transport people, subject in part to budgetary realities.
Point of grammar: Paintings are hung. Catenary wire is hung. People are hanged (at least when being executed).
JACK POT! That's exactly what was going through my mind as I read the article. Folks. It looks like those living in Nassau County have just seen their transportation costs go way up since they will now HAVE have to purchase automobiles. No one wants to subsidize public transport in this country. Not the MTA. Not the private bus companies. Not the city of New York. Not even Washington.
Why do you think I'm an advacate of Light-rails and trolley systems? For the simple reason that Bus lines get discontinued once ridership falls or costs go up. Not so with a Light-rail which is permanent.
The only way you're going to get more transit is to do what Union City/West New York did long ago. Allow private Jitney vans to take over these routes. Sure you might have to learn some spanish and they might not be as clean as the Green Line but what other choice do you have? As for those with special needs (Wheelchairs), I'm sorry to say buy they are out of luck.
More people driving=more fuel consumption=more money spent on fuel. Get more people using public transit=less money spent on fuel.
Raise the gas prices and get people off the roads!
Yes, the (light rail) trolley cars of Brooklyn are still rolling down Church Avenue and McDonald Avenue as we speak, huh? ;-)
The nearest TA bus route to where I live is the Q46. Thus, I consider QV to be my "home" depot. (No hardware jokes, please! lol)
When I was a kid, I lived in The Bronx, right near the old Bx20 route, which is now the Bx9. Thus, at that time, KB was my "home" depot.
When the 64xx fishbowls came out in 1965 (I think), 6401-6525 were assigned to KB. That sequence includes the entire set of numbers (6430-6494) of the HEVs that are going to QV. So, I will have had that number set, 6430-6494, delivered new to my current "home" depot twice.
Anybody else out there ever have this happen? What numbers, what depot(s), and what years?
Orion V:6327,6328,6329,6330,6332,6333,6338,6339,6341,6344,6346,6347.
TMC RTS:8308.
The following are the RTS buses i saw going into Yukon depot:
RTS: 3901,3949,4743,4744,4754,4755,4894,4987,7017 ;-),8297,8302,8306,8312 and 8315.
Orion V:124,125,128,6331,6335,6336,6347,6349.
See what i mean? #4743 and #4744 were assigned to FP while #4754 and #4755 were ex Ulmer Park buses. #7017 was pulling into the garage-so i know it was running.
B1-#9185-NOVABUS
B64-#9334-NOVABUS
S79-#8304-TMCRTS
Around 7 AM I would see like 3 Q20 Buses signed up as a bus to Reeves Ave. Then around 2:30-3 PM in the afternoon, I see Q20's signed up as a bus to Flushing Main St Station. The strangest thing I saw was 114 turning from MELBRONE ONTO MAIN ST SIGNED UP AS A Q20 WITH PEOPLE ON IT!!!
Somebody please explain this to me
Between 6:50AM and 8:30AM, there are several supplemental Q20 short trips from Flushing to Reeves Avenue to accommodate student arrivals at John Bowne High School. Some of those buses then deadhead back to Flushing for a second trip, but most return in service to help out with the morning subway commute.
The PM bus you saw was one of the two supplemental trips from Townsend Harris High School (Melbourne & 149th Street) to Flushing.
Back to your subject - I grew up in Manhattan and LI in the 1950s and distinctly remember Mack buses in Manhattan (Surface Transit reds, NYCTA green, and 5th Ave. Coach Route #15 green/tan), the Bronx (Surface Transit reds), Brooklyn/Staten Island (NYCTA green), and Queens (Brooklyn Division NYCTA routes and Jamaica Buses). On Long Island Bee Line and Hempstead Bus had Macks.
Outside of this area, I traveled to Buffalo NY quite often, and the NFT Transit System was a Mack-dominated fleet until the early 1960s. And San Francisco MUNI had a large fleet of 450 C49s from 1955; some lasted until the mid-1970s.
1)Southern: Buses in crappy condition, runs through some of the worst parts of DC, plus having juvenile delinquents throwing rocks at buses doesn't help either.
2)Landover: The buses are in pretty good shape but they just keep taking out buses, sometimes in my opinion for no reason, and the last group of buses they took out might have left them with a shortage. I have reported over the last two months how other garages have sent buses to Landover to cover their routes.
3)Montgomery: Same for Landover though their buses aren't being taken away as much as Landover, but still alot.
4)Northern: They don't hardly take away buses there but the insides of the buses are in REALLY bad shape, as some of us saw on the Bustalk trip last July.
On the other hand some of the better garages overall are in Virginia, while they get the newer buses the MD and Southern garages get some of the crap they don't want, even though MD is more pro-transit than VA is(Fairfax County doesn't even have a garage, and on top of that has replaced tons of WMATA service with FFX Connector). I would guess alot of the WMATA big wigs must live in VA, and alot of the bus drivers live in MD(I can attest to that).
I agree Fairfax County is a joke. They are more interested in roads than building a good transit system. I look at Springfield and the routes that run from it and think, if that was Ride On or Montgomery County there would be buses running from Springfield to Burke, GMU Fairfax City, Lorton, Kingstowne and other southern fairfax County destinations more often with some seven days a week.
In addition, if I'm correct, the 81, 82, and 8600 Flxibles sran out their last days in VA back in the early 90`s.
The Neoplans might have been in better shape, if they did run in VA, the DC streets back then bascially lead to the premature death of them, though I still think those buses if rebuilt could have lasted a while longer, maybe up to today, they just really sat at the Annex for about 5 years. Los Angeles had the same problem with their Neos and they rebuilt theirs with some still running today( I think).
#1 Washington Street Local From 19th Avenue East To College Ave/6th Street Tempe
#51 51st Avenue Local From Roosevelt Street North To Thunderbird Road
#371 Grand Avenue Limted
From 83rd Av/Peoria to Central Station Peak Direction Only (Downtown/SE Bound am and Reverse pm)
The #371 Has no local or off peak/weekend service.
Are there any routes simular that are limted or limted peak hour/direction only? (Routes Like NYCDOT Q22a don't qualify)
The best examples at NYCT are...
* Bx55 - all Limited all the time.
* M98 - all trips Limited on 3rd/Lex, local in Washington Heights
* Q43 - all peak-hour/peak-direction trips Limited between Springfield Blvd and 169th Street
* Q44 - all trips Limited in Queens, local in Bronx (but only 6am-10pm)
* S81, S84, S86, S90, S91, S92, S94, S96, S98 - peak-hour/peak-direction Limited variants of local routes
Among NYCDOT's routes, there's the B103 (Canarsie-Downtown Brooklyn), Q53 (woodside-Rockaway Park), and Q101R (Rikers Island Limited), which are hybrid limited-express routes.
Then Westchester County DOT has Line 21, a limited-stop variant of Line 20 from White Plains to the Bedford Park Blvd subway stations.
As for other agencies, try Los Angeles County MTA's "MetroRapid" bus routes 711, 720, 745, 750, 754, 761. They're all-limited-all-the-time, and the buses are equipped with transponders for traffic signal prioritization.
From NY Newsday
By Joshua Robin
STAFF WRITER
September 24, 2003
Upset by the city's effort to turn over their publicly subsidized routes to the MTA, four private bus companies in Queens threatened to announce cuts today in bus service used by thousands of riders.
The potentially large-scale disruption was mentioned in a terse news release from the companies announcing a 12:30 p.m. conference today, with no specifics.
According to the release, the announcement will coincide with the filing of a lawsuit in federal court against the city. The companies are upset that they were cut out of the city's negotiations with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which they say would result in the destruction of their city-subsidized franchises.
A spokesman for Green Bus, Triboro Coach, Jamaica Buses and Command Bus declined to comment.
The Bloomberg administration is pursuing an MTA takeover of all private bus lines subsidized by the city, which a City Hall spokesman said would not only reduce city's expense of subsidizing the lines, but "increase the level of service for the riding public."
Asked about the city's plans, should the companies make good on their threat to change service, the spokesman Jordan Barowitz said: "That's why we're trying to get a takeover by the MTA."
The city pays $100 million a year to seven lines. The negotiations have not produced results because the MTA is reluctant to assume any new initiatives without proper compensation.
Tom Cocola, a spokesman for the Department of Transportation, said the agency would review any filed lawsuit. He also said the department was not aware of any planned service reductions.
Copyright 2003, Newsday, Inc.
Why aren't QSC, NYBS and LL joining in the suit ?
Food for thought.
If you ask me, they already happened. Q53 for example is still on summer schedule this far into September, running buses only ever 20-25 minutes during the rush hour, instead of the usual 10-15.
THREATENING cuts in bus service?
If you ask me, they already happened. Q53 for example is still on summer schedule this far into September, running buses only ever 20-25 minutes during the rush hour, instead of the usual 10-15.
Also understand that one of the TV channels interviewed Local 100 Mike Curran ... he's a QSC operator & union leader.
I knew two & quessed at two more.
Hint: Jamaica = one; Triboro = Two; Green = One; Lawyer = One
Jerry Cooper, chairman of the Transit Alliance, an umbrella organization for the four companies, and executives for the lines are expected to speak on the suit today at 12:30 p.m.
The mayor's office and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority missed on June 30 a self-imposed deadline to come to an agreement to take over the lines.
The Transit Alliance maintains that neither the city nor the MTA has communicated anything about 2 plans for the lines to alliance members.
At a state Assembly hearing in June at Queens Borough Hall, legislators peppered MTA and city officials with questions about the terms and financing of the takeover but got few answers.
The city wants to end its annual $100 million in subsidies to the city's seven private operators, which include New York Bus, Queens Surface and Liberty Lines. The private operators run 1,300 buses and carry 114 million passengers a year in Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx and Manhattan.
Meeting city standards
Costs are estimated to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars to bring the operators' aging bus fleets and facilities up to standards city bus operations are required to meet.
A city takeover would accomplish the shared vision of Gov. Pataki and MTA chairman Peter Kalikow for an improved, more regional transit system.
But drivers and mechanics for the operators fear their pensions and job security would be at risk under a city takeover.
The City Council Transportation Committee will hold a hearing on Queens bus service tomorrow.
Originally published on September 24, 2003
Costs are estimated to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars to bring the operators' aging bus fleets and facilities up to standards city bus operations are required to meet.
If I were speaking for the private operators, I'd would loudly and repeatedly tell the media and the politicians that the DOT provides the buses, not the operators, and that the city is responsible for the aging, run-down fleet.
JD
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
I'm not going to apologize for the maintenance (or shameful lack thereof) of the operators in question ... but isn't it also true that TCC and GBL have significant numbers of RTS buses in their fleets dating back to the mid-1980's? 15 to 20 years of hard service on NYC streets is going to take its toll sooner or later - NYCDOT should have replaced those older RTS's by now.
JD
Green - 93 of 192 buses (48 percent)
Jamaica - 60 of 96 buses (63 percent)
Triboro - 96 of 151 buses (64 percent)
Queens Surface - 0 of 200 buses (0 percent)
I didn't calculate the comparable number for NYCT, but I believe it's fair to say that the percentage is far lower. Without having detailed data to look at, I suspect that the average pre-1988 GBL/JBL/TCC city bus sees a greater number of service hours in a given time period than their NYCT counterparts. This has to factor into the picture somewhere.
Jim D.
Jamaica Buses know how to matain buses just as good as Liberty Lines and NYBS
The bus companies are suing the city because the MTA won't buy them out and they all want to get out of the business after the governer cut their subsidies. It's a sad joke.
How in the world did it get this way?
If I were the private bus companies and the city stopped providing the subsidies, I would do the following.
1. Cut service drastically
2. Raise fares by $1.50
3. Start a massive campaign (flyers, posters, inserts) blaming the govenor on WHY the fare had to go up and service. This campaign should be relentless up to the night of the election. Folks. You have to get govenor out of office ASAP. This isn't a joke anymore.
I can assure you if they happened, you would get action!
If he stays in office, you may have no other choice but to drive.
Quite frankly. This is what happens when you move far away from the city thinking you can excape into the suberbs. Now you're about to be punished big time.
<<<You can bet your life Gov. Pataki and Peter kalikow are part of this improved, regional transit system. Folks. The city is in need of money and transit is about to get hit big time. Pataki is behind the loss of subsidation that will take thousands of buses off the street.
If you voted for Pataki, you have my condolences.
I don't think that is exactly correct.
First these companies are private corporations, so they can't operate at a deficit like the government does, would you ?
So if you income is cut how due you make ends meet ? If you can reasonable expect the this to be short term (i.e. just a delay in the income) then you could take out a loan, but if not then you have to reduce cost ... simple ... Management #101 !
The City, Mayor Mike, wants out of the bus business, so he's turning up the heat by putting the squeeze on the private bus companies. I think it's dirty pool since they are not the cause of the problem.
Disclaimer: As you might expect this issue is right in my back yard, but I'm not involved in it officially, so I'm just speaking for myself, not my employeer.
Private Bus Lines Threaten Service Cuts In Queens
SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2003
Upset about being excluded from talks about a public takeover of their routes, four private bus companies in Queens are reportedly filing a lawsuit and threatening service cuts.
Triboro Coach, Command Bus, Green Bus and Jamaica Buses plan to file a lawsuit Wednesday and announce possible service cuts, which have not been specified, according to Newsday.
Seven private companies transport nearly 200,000 commuters in city neighborhoods underserved by public buses and subways, mostly is southeast Queens. But the city is in the process of negotiating for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to take over their routes.
The city hopes the MTA can serve the areas more cheaply than the $100 million in subsidies paid yearly to the private companies.
As for your SEPTA driver, people do make mistakes.
I still see a few Bx41 buses on weekdays displaying this and the bus schedule had 1 or 2 runs mentioning going to 136 St, but I think there could be more.
Doesn't this seem unfair to riders who ride TA buses.
They have to pay 2.00 one way and 1.00 with the transfer.
On QSC and may other companies the fare is 1.00 and that includes a free transfer. So it is only .50 per ride.
Also, with metrocard, riders must pay the peak fare. Is there a way to reconfig the farebox so that only 1.00 can be paid during off-peak hours? Doesn't see fair.
I would say yes. When I go to 164 St and Union Turnpike, Most of the time I would take Q60 3 Stops to 78 Ave then get the Q46 to 164
I asume you ment that whenever you use your MC the farebox will charge you $1.50, i.e. the "off-peek" fare has always been if you pay cash. BTW, The Express fare went up from $3.50 to $4.00.
It was $3
The off-peak discount applies on all NYCDOT local routes, and it was Rudy Giuliani's gift to Queens (as a way of buying his second term).
Fares for all NYCDOT Lines are like this
Regular Fare
1.50 Peak $1 Off Peak
MetroCard would take off $1.50 at all times. Unlimited MC's can be used for no charge.
Bus to Bus Transfers are free. Paying with coins, Ask for the paper MC Transfer. Paying with MetroCard, The Transfer would be encorded to the card. Both would get you onto other NYCDOT and MTA Buses for no extra charge.
Bus to Subway Transfers are MC Only and when you swipe the MC with the Transfer from the NYCDOT Bus, It would take out extra 50 Cents with the Transfer.
Reduced Fare(65+,People with a Disability,and RFM users)
75 Cents Peak 50 Cents Off Peak
MetroCard would take off 75 Cents at all times. Unlimited MC's can be used for no charge.
Bus to Bus Transfers are free. Paying with coins, Ask for the paper MC Transfer. Paying with MetroCard, The Transfer would be encorded to the card. Both would get you onto other NYCDOT and MTA Buses for no extra charge.
Bus to Subway Transfers are MC Only and when you swipe the MC with the Transfer from the NYCDOT Bus, It would take out extra 25 Cents with the Transfer.
Enjoy
In Queens, we have no such facilities. The facility I've displayed is the best we have to offer in the way of any type of "official restroom", barring the NYC Subway System and other various paid-establishments throughout the city. This particular facility is located in the Jamaica 165th Street Bus Terminal at 89th Avenue and Merrick Blvd where many NYCT, GBL and LIB routes terminate.
But you're right - some of the writings can be funny. Just as long as they're not about you.. LOL
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JD
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ANDEE
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(The HSBC taxi is a restored 1981(?) Checker, currently in use as an HSBC advertising gimmick in Manhattan. Any HSBC accountholder can ride free anywhere within Manhattan. I once found it parked outside my apartment building, which happens to be near an HSBC bank, when I needed to go uptown, so I hitched a ride, and had a nice chat with the driver.)
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Uhhh, what?? LOL I hope this is still a work in progress!
Hopefully all DC busfans have newschannel 8.
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-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Peace
David
September 25, 2003 -- Four private companies vowed yesterday to cut bus service because the city has gone out of its way to "financially strangle" them.
Green Bus, Triboro Coach, Jamaica Buses and Command Bus filed a lawsuit in Brooklyn federal court accusing the city of failing to upgrade aging city-owned buses and refusing to reimburse them for repairs.
The companies, which receive $100 million a year in subsidies from the city, said they would yank more than 60 buses from service next month because they are low on cash.
The suit comes as City Hall is trying to unload control of the private lines to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority so the cash-strapped city would no longer have to subsidize them. Clemente Lisi
Queens Bus Companies Threaten Service Cuts
By Joshua Robin
Staff Writer
September 24, 2003, 5:57 PM EDT
Four private bus operators in Queens on Wednesday warned they would reduce service and threatened to shut down entirely Jan. 1 unless the city gives them more money.
"We'd love to stay in business and serve our riders," said Stan Brettschneider, president of Green Bus Lines. "But we can't responsibly meet the public need and demand for service."
The city-subsidized companies, which also include Command Bus, Triboro Coach and Jamaica Buses, have already started planning modest service reductions on routes in Queens and Brooklyn.
The companies filed a federal lawsuit yesterday against the city Department of Transportation, arguing that antiquated funding formulas have "increasingly failed to meet the actual costs of providing the transportation services required by the City."
It asks for more than $10 million in damages to cover past and future operating expenses.
The announcements come ahead of a Dec. 31 expiration date in the companies' contracts with the city and as City Hall negotiates an MTA takeover of the city's seven private routes.
Some municipal officials believe the companies' stern language might be the beginning of a crisis that forces the MTA to take over the bus service. The city annually subsidizes a total seven private bus service carrying 400,000 daily riders for about $100 million.
At the same time, the dispute could be used by the city or state as a bargaining chip in separate talks over ways to reduce the city's debt.
Up to now, the city has found it difficult to get the Pataki administration, which controls the MTA, to take over the routes. The city's subsidies, along with pensions for the companies' employees, add up to big costs at a time when the MTA appears to be just above water.
It was too early to tell, in any case, whether riders should begin to make alternate transit plans anytime soon.
The companies would not say how much more money it's looking for from the city, and city officials did not appear in any rush to make contingency plans for the four lines' 250,000 daily riders.
"We believe having the MTA take over the private bus lines will result in better service and greater value for New York taxpayers," mayoral spokesman Jordan Barowitz said. "The city gives the private bus companies more than $100 million a year in subsidies. The allegations in their lawsuit are scurrilous and without merit."
For now, executives hinted at ominous changes ahead, such as possibly not running any buses if their contract is not renewed satisfactorily. The contract expires Dec. 31.
"This would just be the beginning," Brettschneider said. "We're at the crossroads now where decisions have to be made." Executives said the city's funding is adjusted each year by the consumer price index but does not take into account the soaring cost of repairs, parts and fuel.
"We take our money and we pour it back into operations," said Green Bus executive Jerome Cooper, chairman of an alliance of the four companies, at a news conference at Queens Borough Hall.
Department of Transportation records show that the salaries of high-level bus company executives range as high as $158,000, which was Cooper's earnings in 2001. Some executives receive stock options and bonuses, one official said.
The head of the NYC Transit bus division, with six times as many buses as all four companies' fleets combined, earns $170,000 a year.
A spokesman for the lines said salaries are not excessive and represent a small fraction of public subsidies.
Staff writer Dan Janison contributed to this story.
Anyways, I'd rather see the pole suffer a horrible, painful death in Oren's presence. Scrapping the pole will deprive Oren of any suffering;-) Like I have said before, burning it and whacking it and throwing it is much more fun.
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Shortline to Poughkeepsie, Middletown, Elmira, and Ithaca(All NY)
Adirondack Trailways to Albany and Kingtston(Both NY)
Greyhound to Newark, Laurel Hill(both NJ), and Springfield(Ma)
Where else do the buses go? I'm talkin buses that go with no transfer involved.
3 to Albany
1 to Springfield, MA
2 to Washington DC
3 to Port Authority
All of these may actually go further than listed above.
CG
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
22-year-old buses going to scrap...at least they have done their time...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Ahhhhh, ok...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Your artic updates are always on time as usual--much appreciate.
Mark
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
They made their bed......
LI Bus has MetroCards and has at least 1 24/7 bus
Westchester Bee Line doesn't seem to have any 24/7 buses(unless I missed something, and tell me if there IS a 24/7 bus) and doesn't take MetroCards.
Westchester Bee Line however doesn't seem to be cutting any more service at the moment, while LI Bus is
As for Bee-Line, the closest thing to full time is the 20, and that does not run between 12 am and 5 am.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Since I ride Bee-Line more often than LI Bus, I consider the service more reliable. But it's annoying when the bus fareboxes are not retrofitted with the current Metrocard fareboxes.
There are more bus lines in Westchester that start before 6 AM than on LI Bus, Routes 1, 2, 4, 7, 20, 40, 42 and BxM4C all start before 5:30 AM while Routes 5, 6, 14, and others start before 6 AM.
Many buses are still running after 10 PM, these are 1T, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 13, 14, 20, 25, 40, 42, 60 and BxM4C.
I only took the Bee Line, and then only back in the early 1980s before we got our first car. Since I'm from Yonkers originally, we had to take the F to the A to the 1 at 168th to the Bee Line at 242nd to visit my granparents. One set was at the end of the #2. For the other set, in southeast Yonkers, any bus up Broadway would do, followed by a long walk up Van Cortlandt Park Avenue. When we got off the bus, we had a long walk, and in Terrace City that walk was up hill!
Back in the early 1980s, the Bee Line could take dollars and NYCT did not. I was grateful for that.
Back in my childhood, I remember going to New York City with my Mom on the New York Central, then taking a bus up Nodine Hill. I wonder if that bus is still there. I was born at Yonkers General, and my Mom's doctor was over there on Ashburton. She'd take me on the Ashburton Avenue bus to get there -- the diesel fumes were awful, and it was always jam packed. But she'd take my by an old Polish bakery to buy a treat on the way home. I guess this was before the Bee Line. What was it in the mid-to-late 1960s, Yonkers City buses?
Example, Bee Line route 60 is referred to as W60 at the bus stops(NYC at least), The Bronx bus map calls them BL-60 (they used to also say W60)
OTOH Bee-Line has quite a lot of limited and express bus routes.
3 Yonkers-White Plains-Purchase express
11 White Plains-Ossining-Croton
17 Peekskill-White Plains express
21 Bedford Park-White Plains limited
27 White Plains-Skyline Drive
41 Bronx-White Plains-Westchester Cty Medical Center
62 Bronx-Purchase-White Plains
77 White Plains-Brewester-Kent express
BxM4C White Plains-Manhattan express
Also, for the LIE, I think the maglev would be better. Something like this:
*Mac Arthur Airport
*Ronkonkoma Station
(from here down is via LIE)
*Exit 58 Park N Ride(Nichol's Road)
*Exit 56 Park N Ride(Wheeler Road)
*Exit 54 Park N Ride(Wicks Road/Suffolk Community College)
Exit 50(Bagatelle Road/Five Towns College)
*Exit 49 Park N Ride(Rte 110)
*Exit 45(Woodbury Road)
*Exit 41(Rte 106/107)
Exit 39(Glen Cove Road)
*Exit 33(Community Drive)
*Exit 27(Francis Lewis BLVD)
*Exit 24(Kissena BLVD)
*Exit 20/19(Queens BLVD/Woodhaven BLVD)
Grand Av
Long Island City
(Via 42nd St)
2nd Av
*Grand Central Terminal
6th Av/Times Square
*Port Authority Bus Terminal
(Via 8th Av)
*Penn Station
(Via 34th St)
Jacob Javits Center
(Via West Side Highway)
*Downtown Transit Center(Fulton St)
*=express only stops.
I guess feeder buses could be used, and maybe a few also using the LIE. Those buses would go either over the Queensboro bridge to loop midtown, and exit Manhatten via the Midtown Tunnel. Also using the LIE would be downtown express buses. They would take the LIE to the BQE, then the Manhatten Bridge to Downtown
The busses are newer and Westchester Country has greater Control on the bus services and their importance to the areas to which they run. They run to key areas, such as White Plains, New Rochelle, Downtown Yonkers, Mount Vernon, Rye, and Tarrytown, where there are usually 5-10 other bus routes to transfer too at 1 certain spot. The malls are well served. They also go the MNRR stations really well. All in all, Bee Line doesn't run 24/7 because there is simply no demand, as there is in Nassau County.
Always a big fan of Bee-Line for the right reasons, if only they could make two bus routes (2 and 20) operate 24/7 it would be better. But ridership does not justify that move.
That's because Westchester County is willing to actually pay its contract carriers (Liberty Lines, PTLA, etc.), while Nassau County has never been willing to pay its contract carrier (L.I.Bus).
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Peace,
ANDEE
If you waited a double headway for a bus and complained to the driver that your scheduled bus was missing, and he told you it was in the depot airing out, would that be acceptable?
What don't you whine about?
Suozzi further highlighted that the County is phasing in a new policy that police vehicles will be paid for from operating budgets, instead of borrowing the money and thereby increasing the County's debt. "Police vehicles have a useful life of three years or less. The funds for these vehicles should be paid for out of operating costs and not borrowed for, as the County has in the past," explained Suozzi.
"The cost of repairing the aging fleet is more costly than replacement. This large purchase will invigorate new life into our patrol fleet. The Police Department has been operating 180 police cars with over 100,000 miles on them. These 180 cars represent half of the entire marked patrol fleet," said Commissioner Lawrence. "This will be a big boost to our officers on patrol," continued Lawrence.
Today members of the legislature will be asked to approve $4.6 million of surplus funds for 181 vehicles. This is in addition to 39 cars already approved in the 2003 budget.
The funds for the new cars will come from a surplus confirmed by the County Comptroller.
"Our fleet experiences a high level of everyday wear and tear since our patrol cars are out in traffic and on our roads twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week," said Commissioner Lawrence.
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Too bad all that money couldn't have gone to the LIB subsidy instead.
I read that the subsidy was 21 million in 1999, now that's dwindled to less than 5 million. Man talk about a county that could care less about its bus system!
Also, like taxis the police cars may run 24/7, accumulating a lot of mileage in a few years. If there is an emergency, you want the cop to get to the scene, not breakdown enroute.
In addition the police union is very politically connected and the lawmakers take notice.
And the people who makes the 2 Hybrid Cars out there(Toyota Pruis and Honda Civic Hybrid) are Japanese car makers and they have plants here in the US so unlike other American Car Complanys(Like Ford,GM,Chevy,ETC) are takeing it out to other places while the European Car Makers(SAAB,Volvo,ETC) and Japanese Car Makers(Toyota,Honda,ETC) are going into the US.
The reason why most car complanys in the USA are moveing out of the USA is because of cheaper labor costs in most other parts of the world. Also these people don't get great benefits like here in the US.
I heard about Car Plants in Mexico(VolksWagon,GM,ETC) gives it's workers at most $2 a Day and almost no benefits at all!! :O
Can anyone confirm whether these were Darts or Valiants? Also, are there any restored or otherwise examples still in existence? Please let me know. I am especially intrigued as I just happen to be restoring a 1975 Dart Custom at the moment. Thanks for any input!
-Fred
Brian you have my number, call me!
Regards,
T
I will let Mark know, and he will have to post the roster on this board until TransiTALK is back up later on in October.
As a warning to everyone, very careful what is post here because no matter what you job is, it may affect it. I'm lucky to still have my job but because of this I will be making a MAJOR career change because it has made things at work VERY hard.
If anyone here needs to make contact with me, you can catch me at the SubChat Board from time to time, IM me at AOL Screen-name "drivin genuis" or e-mail me @ drivingenuis@aol.com. I will let someone know when TransiTALK is back up so they can post it here.
My livelihood is a lot more important than this board, as this is a hard decision to make.
Good Bless Everyone here, and for those that knew, My move was sucessful back to the city.
Peace & Blessings,
Trevor Logan
MetroB
Trevor, good luck. And take care. God bless.
Trevor, don't let the actions of a few spoil the fruits of your labor. You know you're a quality employee, a good man, and have the work ethic to back it up. Good luck back in the city, and hopefully you'll still be safely piloting a bus full of passengers who will see right away that you're far from the average bus operator.
{shrug}
Best of luck to you.. I hope these people appreciate you, your efforts and the position you voluntarily placed yourself in for their benefit.
I've been posting on these boards for years now, and have trusted only two "Busfans" with my identity. Both are regulars here, one an employee. The other, a dynamite guy who's rode my bus on many occasions.
I'm content with my position :-)
Anyhow.. best wishes.
Jim D.
That sucks! I mean you was nice about sharing all of this USEFUL information and yet somebody feels the need to screw your ass!!!! I agree, your life is MUCH more important than this. In my opinion, BusTalk has gone form most of the time USEFUL info to USELESS information! Good luck to you Trevor and you know I got your back 110% on this!!!!
Ray
RESPECT TREVOR LOGAN especially for all he has done for us!!!
I hope everything works out well for you, Trevor. Sincere best wishes.
G1RD
any opinions?
The S47 to Fire Island Ferry!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF LONG ISLAND!!!!!
SAVE LIB!!!!
He may just open both up to the lowest bidder.
You mean that Nassau County is losing population that fast? No sir, I believe that you are mistaken. Any loss of bus service means a forced shift to automobiles, and then things will get as bad as Midtown Manhattan during rush-hour (or worse)…
The only time that bus service is lost is when a lot of empty trips run. LI Bus will prevail, you can rest assured of that.
If you depend on them WRITE/CALL/FAX your assembly person !
1. Buy a car - Do what tens of thousands of LI residents have done and spend 15 - 40 percent of your income on transportation costs. Don't forget to start saving for car repairs, tolls, parking fees, tickets, gas, registration fees and a new vehicle after 5 years.
2. Move closer to the city - A novel idea. You may have to move closer to the Long Island Railroad or back to Brooklyn. The days of living 100 miles away from the city and expecting good public transportation are now over. How about Jersey City?
3. Bicycle - Don't laugh. I use a bicycle every day to work with public transportation and save plenty of money. With a bicycle, bus service that would have been too far away to walk every day are now within minutes.
4. Sneakers - Don't laugh. What ever happened to walking? Have we gotton too lazy to walk anymore? Seriously. I remember growing up with my parents (who didn't own a car) and we walked everywhere. You may also lose a few unnecessary pounds and improve your health in the long run.
Thats my prime reason for not getting another car. People don't seem to understand the logic though. "But at least you'll have a car" They really don't get it, Id rather not be broke just to have a car.
2. Move closer to the city - A novel idea. You may have to move closer to the Long Island Railroad or back to Brooklyn. The days of living 100 miles away from the city and expecting good public transportation are now over. How about Jersey City?
Good thing I already do. If they recuced N6 service I could walk to Queens if I had to due to typical overcrowding. Although I don't really like NYC SNAIL buses.
3. Bicycle - Don't laugh. I use a bicycle every day to work with public transportation and save plenty of money. With a bicycle, bus service that would have been too far away to walk every day are now within minutes.
There was a time where I rode my bike EVERYday EVERYwhere. Then I had the car in the driveway registered and insured, it just became easier and quicker to drive. Since I dont have my wallet draining vehicle anymore I use the bus.
4. Sneakers - Don't laugh. What ever happened to walking? Have we gotton too lazy to walk anymore? Seriously. I remember growing up with my parents (who didn't own a car) and we walked everywhere. You may also lose a few unnecessary pounds and improve your health in the long run.
Very true, but since I use 30 Unlimited Metrocards I simply get on the bus instead of walking(long distances to places along a bus route).
Thanks!
-F.
-F.
BIG AL
This morning, the crowd waiting to board a B1 at Brighton Beach was huge, and the rear door was locked, so when another bus pulled up behind it, I hopped on. The B/O complained to me (what on earth gave him the idea I had any interest in this stuff?) that there was lots of room in the back of the first bus. I commented that the rear door was locked, but he seemed confused when I suggested the rear door is supposed to be used for loading at Brighton Beach. (Both of these buses were those hideous UP suburbans, which have no business being run on a route like the B1. Who keeps sending them there? It's no wonder that they don't fill up in back; without rear door boarding, it's nearly impossible to get to the back once a few people stop in the front.)
So, what's the deal? Is rear door boarding permitted at the two subway stations or not? If it is, perhaps it's time for a bulletin to go out to the B/O's on the B1 and B49. If it isn't, it should be -- nearly everyone at those stops has a free transfer, anyway.
Incidentally, on my ride home in the afternoon, the B/O refused to allow me to dip my MetroCard. This was at the Kingsborough end of the line, where nobody has a transfer and quite a few passengers aren't bound for the subway or for other buses. Nobody was boarding through the rear door.
While I'm asking these questions, here are two more:
First, why do the B1 and B49 terminate a good two blocks or so from the Kingsborough gate? I assure you, those crowds on the buses aren't bound for Mackenzie Street itself. There's a perfectly good traffic circle right by the main campus building, and buses would probably fit. Moving the terminal onto campus would save five minutes for, oh, about 10,000 people daily (my estimate, based on an enrollment of 17,000), in each direction. If buses couldn't fit there, another option would be to enter campus via Oriental Boulevard, loop around campus, and exit onto Shore Boulevard. If neither of these is a realistic option, at the very least the turnaround loop should be moved closer to the gate.
Second, the press release claims that some buses are "running a continuous loop from Sheepshead Bay and Brighton Beach." I haven't noticed any such buses. Where are they? Given how many people are traveling between the two subway stations and Kingsborough, there should be very frequent service running nonstop, fare-free, from each of the Q stations to Kingsborough and back in peak periods. In addition to giving Kingsborough students and staff better service, this would allow other B1 and B49 passengers to escape the mad rush that they shouldn't have to put up with. If artics ever make it to Brooklyn, these express loops would be the perfect place for them.
As to the rear door situation, the Dispatchers have been told to allow loading via the rear door at Brighton Beach and Sheepshead Bay during the AM rush. The supposition is that nearly everyone, if not everyone, boarding at these locations has already paid a fare on the subway.
As far as where the B1 and B49 routes terminate, Mackenzie Loop is designed as a terminal. Terminating inside the college campus would require the college's permission, which so far has not been given. By the way, there's major construction going on inside the campus (a new building is being constructed), so this might not be the right time to move the terminal location anyway.
And with respect to closed-door service between the subway and the college, that would be against federal law (which is why there are no more "school specials" -- buses must be made available to anybody who wants to ride them and stop at any designated stop along the route). However, if one looks at the B1 and B49 routes between the subway and the college, one will see that there are very few boardings/alightings between those two locations (AT the subway, yes; AT the college, yes; in-between, no). Most of these buses are, de facto, running non-stop anyway, simply because nobody wants to get off or on at the intermediate stops.
The issue of soft-seaters running on the B1 route has been discussed here before, and no amount of discussing it HERE is going to change anything.
David
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Convent Avenue is a public street, maintained by NYCDOT and thus open to everybody without any need for an easement.
The Kingsborough Community College roadways are CUNY property under CUNY control, so nobody uses them without CUNY approval (which NYCT has never been given). By constrast, officials at Queensborough CC actually requested bus service, signed a written easement agreement, and spent CUNY funds to accommodate the buses. The same thing would need to happen at KCC before the B1 and B49 could pass through the gate.
David
There is short service in the morning from Sheepshead Bay on the B49 and Ocean Parkway on the B1 to Kingsborough College. In the afternoon, there is short service from the college to Ocean Parkway (there is enough full-route service on the B49 that short service is not needed).
Why Ocean Parkway and not Brighton Beach? (Is it just a question of where the bus can turn?)
Northbound in the afternoon, I haven't seen any buses signed for Ocean Parkway. There are lots signed for 25th Avenue, but that's a good distance away. Perhaps the idea is to connect to all four subway lines, but IINM the Q is by far the biggest transfer point, so IMO there should be more service to Brighton Beach than to the other three.
As to the rear door situation, the Dispatchers have been told to allow loading via the rear door at Brighton Beach and Sheepshead Bay during the AM rush. The supposition is that nearly everyone, if not everyone, boarding at these locations has already paid a fare on the subway.
Agreed. So if there is no dispatcher present, is the B/O supposed to permit rear door boarding on his own? If so, perhaps they should be reminded.
As far as where the B1 and B49 routes terminate, Mackenzie Loop is designed as a terminal. Terminating inside the college campus would require the college's permission, which so far has not been given.
Of course. Has the college been asked for permission? Who normally initiates these requests, NYCT or the college?
By the way, there's major construction going on inside the campus (a new building is being constructed), so this might not be the right time to move the terminal location anyway.
The major construction is basically finished. According to an email I got last week, the Academic Village is scheduled to open for classes on (IIRC) October 7.
And with respect to closed-door service between the subway and the college, that would be against federal law (which is why there are no more "school specials" -- buses must be made available to anybody who wants to ride them and stop at any designated stop along the route).
Woah. This is a surprise. Perhaps I'm preaching to the choir, but I'm just combining two ideas that are already implemented all over the place: limited-stop service and short-turn service. Is the M15 Limited a violation of federal law? It doesn't stop at every designated stop along the route, and many M15 buses don't cover the entire M15 route. I'm just suggesting that there be a B1 Limited that has only two stops and happens to also short-turn at Brighton Beach.
As for making them available to anybody who wants to ride them, of course they'd be available to anybody who wants to ride them. If they were restricted to students, I'd have to wait for the next bus! (I'm faculty.) The buses would be available to anyone traveling between Brighton Beach and Mackenzie Street for any reason -- students and faculty heading to school, business employees heading to work, Manhattan Beach residents going to the subway, busfans going for a spin, whatever, whoever.
If this is a violation of federal law, then the federal law is severly misguided.
However, if one looks at the B1 and B49 routes between the subway and the college, one will see that there are very few boardings/alightings between those two locations (AT the subway, yes; AT the college, yes; in-between, no). Most of these buses are, de facto, running non-stop anyway, simply because nobody wants to get off or on at the intermediate stops.
Unfortunately, that's not true. People do need to get on and off at intermediate stops. The buses are so crowded that those who need to get on have to wait a while for a bus to stop (one of my students was late to my class on Thursday because my bus, and presumably many others, zipped right past her at Corbin Place). My B1 this morning made three or four intermediate stops for people to get off. As for the B49, there's a large intermediate school on Emmons Avenue, where the bus invariably stops for a while -- and then it can't fit into the left turn lane, so it has to make an illegal left turn from the through lane.
Offering non-stop service between the subway stations and KCC would benefit everybody. The masses traveling all the way would have quick service and would have a fighting chance at getting a seat; with most through passengers on the express buses, local passengers would be better served because the buses that are supposed to stop for them actually would.
Also, I think the schedules need to be adjusted. This morning, while waiting ten minutes for the B1, I was studying the posted schedule. There's a lot of supplemental service between 8 and 9, but none between 7 and 8. If that's the case, it needs to be remedied -- there is a substantial rush before 8:00 classes. (Normally I get to Brighton Beach at 7:30, when the rush is well under way. Today I though I beat the rush by catching an earlier train, and I thought I might even get a seat, but I had to wait so long for the bus that it was as jammed as ever.)
The issue of soft-seaters running on the B1 route has been discussed here before, and no amount of discussing it HERE is going to change anything.
I'm not very familiar with the other UP routes. Do they all get as crowded as the B1? If not, then whoever assigns the buses each day could be instructed to reserve the soft-seaters for the routes that don't get crowded, no?
Ocean Parkway short-turns in the afternoon: They're there -- just get out and look a little earlier. The buses going to 25th Avenue (and 13th Avenue) are for the huge dismissal at/around 2:50 PM. Before that, there are a series of Ocean Parkway short-turns, starting around noon.
Short-turn yet Limited service: Every stop in the bus system is used by somebody at some time. However, I stand by my previous statement that there is LITTLE demand at the stops on the B1 between the Brighton Beach station and the college. There is some (as David Greenberger said) at the Emmons Avenue-E. 15th Street B49 stop for a short time as students/faculty head to Bay Academy. Additionally, Limiteds usually travel the full length of a route, or at least close to the full length of a route. What is being advocated HERE is an exclusive-use shuttle, and that is illegal (not counting bus shuttles that run INSTEAD of shut-down subway service).
Guide-A-Ride ("schedule") shows no short service before 8 AM: Look at the date on the Guide-A-Ride. I'll bet it's 6/29/03. That was the SUMMER Guide-A-Ride, which (when traffic counts were done at Brighton Beach station earlier this month) had not yet been replaced, and I'll bet it still hasn't.
Do buses on other Ulmer Park routes get as crowded as those on the B1?: The various routes have differing service levels for different total ridership in a given time period, but on average each VEHICLE should be carrying roughly the same number of riders.
As I said, traffic counts were recently done on the B1 at Brighton Beach station in the morning (and Avenue X station as well). They were also done on the same day from noon until everybody from the 2:45/2:50 break was served. Based on the information received, improvements will be made. Some improvements in dispatching in the afternoon should already be noticeable.
NYCT will no doubt be meeting with Kingsborough staff shortly. David G.'s comments will not be ignored.
David
I teach until 2:50, so I'm a part of that huge dismissal, unless I stick around later -- that's why I never see the Ocean Parkway buses. (But couldn't/shouldn't there still be some Ocean Parkway turns as part of that huge dismissal? A lot of folks are still only going to Brighton Beach, and turning some buses at OP would allow the same number of buses to serve more people.)
I'm not advocating an exclusive-use shuttle. Anyone who wishes to ride it may ride it, just like any other NYCT bus. It just so happens that a lot of people need to travel between the subway stations and the KCC campus at certain times of day, and segregating those people from the other riders of the B1 and B49 is in the best interest of all riders. Based on what you've written, I don't see how it's illegal. (It would be illegal if only KCC students were permitted to ride the bus, but it would also be silly, and I'm not advocating anything like that.) I haven't seen the precise wording of the federal law, but if they agree that this sort of service would be useful, NYCT planners might want to have a chat with NYCT lawyers (if they haven't done so already) to determine if this really fits into the federal prohibition. If it would help the legal issue, add a stop at West End and Oriental (where the B1 and B49 meet) and ask NYCDOT to install standard pink "Limited" signs at the three limited stops. Many M15 Limiteds short-turn; true, they do cover most of the full M15 route, but does the federal law really care about such a detail?
It hadn't occurred to me that I might have been looking at an old schedule. I'll check the date the next time I'm waiting there.
It seems to me that the relevant measure for whether soft-seaters should be avoided on some routes is not average loading but peak loading. The B1 gets very heavy peak crowds. If all other UP routes get similarly heavy peak crowds, then there's nothing we can do until the buses are reseated or transferred. But my impression is that most other UP routes don't have heavy peak crowds, so I'd suggest that the soft-seaters should be used on those other routes as much as possible.
I'm glad NYCT is looking to make improvements. I will inform the board when I notice changes; please keep us informed with updates at the NYCT end.
I'm intimately familiar with the B1 and B49 near Kingsborough College. I'm firmly convinced that there is no need for a "Limited" type service on either route, and that there is little demand for service to or from the stops between Sheepshead Bay/Brighton Beach and the college. Some, yes; much, no.
As to "average" vs. "peak," the averages I was referring to were during the peak hours :-) Yes, B1 buses are often filled to bursting when they leave Brighton Beach -- IF A TRAIN HAS DROPPED PEOPLE OFF. Between trains, I have seen buses (usually, but not always, short-turns) with single-digit loads. If a bus is lightly loaded and it is early or even on-time, the Dispatcher can and often will hold it for a few minutes in the hopes that a train will come in and the bus will fill up. By the way, the Dispatcher post at Brighton Beach & Coney Island Avenues is a full-time post, while the post at the Sheepshead Bay station is an "extra" that is covered pretty regularly.
David
Makes sense. Brighton Beach traffic being what it is, it often takes a good five minutes or more just to get that last block or two to the subway at CIA, and I can imagine it isn't much better the rest of the way to OP. (A strictly enforced bus lane would be nice, but even I, a greater proponent of bus lanes than most, admit that they would be impractical on Brighton Beach Avenue.)
I'm intimately familiar with the B1 and B49 near Kingsborough College. I'm firmly convinced that there is no need for a "Limited" type service on either route, and that there is little demand for service to or from the stops between Sheepshead Bay/Brighton Beach and the college. Some, yes; much, no.
Yes, you obviously are much more familiar with them than I am. I hope you are not offended if I continue to disagree with your conclusion, based on my limited observations and my (relatively) limited understanding of how all this stuff works.
As to "average" vs. "peak," the averages I was referring to were during the peak hours :-) Yes, B1 buses are often filled to bursting when they leave Brighton Beach -- IF A TRAIN HAS DROPPED PEOPLE OFF. Between trains, I have seen buses (usually, but not always, short-turns) with single-digit loads. If a bus is lightly loaded and it is early or even on-time, the Dispatcher can and often will hold it for a few minutes in the hopes that a train will come in and the bus will fill up.
Interesting. Might it be possible to better coordinate bus departures with train arrivals? For instance, could each short-turn be scheduled to depart a fixed number of minutes after each Q train arrival, with buses specifically held for late train arrivals, even if the bus would end up a few minutes late? If a Q train is running more than a few minutes late, Stillwell Tower could inform the dispatchers at SB and BB.
Speaking of nearly-empty buses, I often see them in the afternoon rush. Apparently the dispatcher will often send out buses with only a few passengers, or even on occasion with no passengers at all, while in the meantime one or two other buses are becoming sardine cans. I could see something like that happening once in a while to keep at least a few buses on schedule, but if it happens almost every day, doesn't that point to a possible error in the schedules? (I see the same thing on the M86 at Broadway, although there the problem is the extensive dwell time rather than crowding.)
By the way, the Dispatcher post at Brighton Beach & Coney Island Avenues is a full-time post, while the post at the Sheepshead Bay station is an "extra" that is covered pretty regularly.
Do you know where the dispatcher at BB is usually stationed? I've only noticed him once. This morning I specifically looked for him, but I didn't see him. (The one at SB stands right at the bus stop pole. Oh, hold it, that might be the dispatcher for the B4 -- does one person cover both routes?)
I did check the Guide-a-Ride this morning at Brighton Beach. You're right, it dates from June.
Incidentally, for Q passengers bound for KCC, is there a general preference of B1 vs. B49?
Thanks again.
As for the afternoon rush, I assume that what's being discussed here is the 2:50 dismissal. The Dispatcher might send some buses out empty because the ones that he sends out full are too full to pick up passengers (yes, they should stop and offer waiting passengers the option of boarding, but in practice they don't always do that). This way, the people farther down the line have a fighting chance of getting where they're going. (I'm just speculating here, by the way -- an educated guess.)
The Dispatcher at the Brighton Beach station stands on the southwest corner of Brighton Beach and Coney Island Avenues, in the B1 bus stop (though he'll move around as necessary -- he's also watching the B68 route, which stops behind the B1). It's by a bank. The Dispatcher at Sheepshead Bay is on E. 16th Street at Sheepshead Bay Road, alongside Morris Discount. The stop is shared with the B4 route.
The preference of Q passengers at the college seems to be for the B1, but again that's just an educated guess.
David
My impression is that there's a slight preference for the B1 over the B49. After a bit of experimentation, that's my preference as well. Southbound at 7:30, the B1 seems to have somewhat shorter headways than the B49 (although it's hard to tell, since both are somewhat erratic and the Guide-a-Ride is outdated), and the B49 makes that annoying stop on Emmons. Northbound, I'd rather wait for the train to depart while seated at BB than wait for the train to arrive while standing at SB (and as winter approaches I'm sure I'll feel even more strongly). But it's good to have the B49 as an alternate option.
Oh, one last question. (Okay, I lied above.) Has there ever been any serious thought of building a subway line to KCC? Based on an enrollment of 17,000, my very rough estimate is that a station at KCC would see at least 1.5 million annual fare registrations -- not half bad, even by NYC standards. An intermediate station at Emmons could serve the Sheepshead Bay community. Rather than having Brighton expresses terminate at Brighton Beach (while locals continue to Stillwell), they could branch off the line just south of Sheepshead Bay. Nights and weekends, when ridership to KCC would be low anyway, the branch would be served by a shuttle, and the Brighton local would follow the same route at all times. Cost is the obvious sticking point, and the Sheepshead Bay and Manhattan Beach communities would probably object strongly to a new elevated line, so the line would have to tunnel beneath Sheepshead Bay (the bay, that is). But on the flip side, the cost of operating the B1 and B49 would be reduced substantially. (Even many people who now take the B1 or B49 past the subway would take the new line to Sheepshead Bay and transfer there.) A dream, I'm sure, but I'm just curious if it's ever been pursued.
A subway would no doubt be horrifically expensive to construct, even assuming that support could be garnered for one in the neighborhoods under which it would pass (extremely unlikely even if most of the structure were underwater). Buses are capable of serving the college, as they have for years. We're generally talking about volumes of hundreds of people an hour here, folks, not thousands, even at the peak.
David
(So the "T" buildings themselves were once military barracks? That would explain why, except for the colorful benches in the lounges, they appear to date from well before the 70's. Temporary, shmemporary. I just wish they'd fix the two leaks in my classroom.)
David
I'm asking about a special case where dispatchers are specifically instructed to allow passengers to board through the rear door. If the dispatcher, for whatever reason, doesn't explicitly tell passengers to use the rear door, is rear door boarding still permitted? (An analogous case would be fare-free subway shuttle buses. As long as the rear door is unlocked, I'll pull it open and board through the back if there's a line at the front door. Speeds up the boarding process and increases my chances of getting a seat.)
David
Seems silly to me. I think I will continue to ignore it as I see fit and risk the summons. (One of my coworkers has warned me that such summonses have indeed been issued in the past.)
Besides, I ride the B, not the Q.
David
I seem to remember rear door boarding at 63rd/QB outbound, and at Rockaway Playland inbound, if you had a ticket. The dispatcher would punch it. If you didn't have a ticket you got on in the front.
Can anyone confirm this ?
B1-#9320-NOVABUS
To use a subway analogy -- we don't often see R-46's on the E. They do show up on occasion, and they could show up more often, but for whatever reason, it was decided that the E should run exculsively R-32's. Why couldn't it be similarly decided that the B1 should run exclusively hard-seaters? An occasional soft-seater might show up once in a while, due to a mistake or an emergency, but in general the soft-seaters would be used only on other UP routes.
BIG AL
Person Boards the Bus: "Is this the 101 to East 6th Street"
WHO HASN'T HEARD SOMETHING LIKE THIS!?
It annoys the crap out of me! I give bus operators credit, they have to have patience to listen to that question 100 times a day! Bravo!
My pet-peeve (an understatement) is kind of specific to my system. We don't collect fares, so we unload and load by the front and back doors. Some passengers insist on always using the back door to get on and to get off. To deboard, fine. But when I pull the front door up to three inches from your feet and you march to the back door, aaarrrrrrgh! I understand if there are 50 people at the stop, but when you're the only one, for crying out f$&%ing loud, save us all some time and get on by the door I "aim" at you - THE FRONT!
I left someone behind today because of this. I was the second bus stopped at one bus stop. Some girl went for the first bus and realized that it wasn't the right one. As I'm getting ready to swing away from the curb, I wait with my front door open because I notice her eyeing my front destination sign and my side sign next the front door. When she sees that she wants my bus, she slowly saunters toward the back door - which I had long since closed. Forget it. I had a full seated load and I was not in the mood to piss away time because some anti-social passenger didn't want to risk being greeted by a friendly driver (I probably don't sound so friendly by now!) After I left the curb, I immediately got caught at a red light (serves me right) so she comes running out into traffic, banging at the back door for me to let her on. She pounded a few times before she ran to the front door, and then the light turned green and I left her in my dust. he he he.
Props to anyone who actually read that. In reality, I enjoy 98% of bus driving. I just needed to vent a little about my pet-peeve.
1. We collect fares on buses in the UK and are responsible for giving change. So when pulling up to pick up, how about the person (who has been standing waiting) who has not bothered to get their money/pass out of their wallet and then makes you wait whilst they do so, despite having had plenty of time to do this whilst they waited for the bus.
2. Even worse than #1, the person who has no money ready and than proceeds to tender a 10 bill for a 1.25 fare, despite the sound of coins in their wallet (or sometimes, visible in their hand!) indicating they have the right change. In this case, I find the best course of action is to give eighteen pound coins, seven ten pence coins and five one pence coins as change. Maybe they will think twice before doing that shit again.
3. Students who seem to think they have a god-given right to get on the bus without either showing a pass or paying the fare. When challenged, they then make out that you are being unnecessarily harsh on them! Needless to say, in these cases, if they have no pass or no money, they have a day off from college. Best of all are the ones who then show last year's pass, thinking the BO will not realise - this then results in confiscation of the offending pass, payment of the fare by the miscreant student - and a 10 reward for myself for handing in an out-of-date pass!
I could go on, but I bet you get the picture.........
Incognito
Yet EVERY day we would have stupid kids walk right onto the bus, and ask the driver, "Is this the 17?" That driver would always point to the Q88 in front of him and say, "No, that is," and the kid would run to that bus to get on.
The light had turned red at Randall so the truck started slowing down and she was gonna go around me to cut the truck off at the junction and beat the light. So I started slowing down with the truck trapping her behind the both of us. When the light changed, I eased off the line with the truck so she couldn't come around and beat us to the merge. That's one time when a pet peeve turned into sweet revenge.
(By the way for those who are interested, MTA does respond to my complaints saying they will give more attention to the particular line and the particular time period of the report to see to it that buses are more evenly spaced. Interpret that as you will.)
What's the point of leaving early anyway? You're just taking a few minutes of your rest period and moving them over to the other end.
And the Q10A goes to the airport -- although it's obviously geared to airport employees, I'm sure some passengers have missed flights because the posted bus schedule was wrong.
I've been on buses (especially the :25 and :35 departures) that leave on the 2's instead of the 5's. (i.e. :22 and :32.) That can be annoying sometimes. This one time, someone from my physics class, connecting from the Q37, ran up to a bus I was on (that had left at 7:32, instead of 7:35. At this point, it was on the Union Turnpike overpass). The driver, of course, didn't open up. The bus was not at the stop. Needless to say, he was late.
Is that really a concern though? You're not waiting for that bus.
NOTHING in sight coming your way.NOTHING! You wait....and wait.....and wait.........and wait........FINALLY, after a LENGTHY wait, you rejoice when you FINALLY spot a bus approaching...you get your fare ready, eager to board...but, guess what? The destination sign reads what already is engraved in your mind....."NOT IN SERVICE/NO PASSENGERS"......then you again wait...and wait.....and wait.......any day now....any day now....8-
I agree with this assessment. Sometimes I think the buses that I ride (Mostly QS and some NYCT these days) go Not In Service on an arbitrary basis, but I'm just paranoid...unless BK67 is out to get me. :) What I find even more problematic is the constant crowding, the refusal of passengers to move to the back (resulting in having to push aside fat asses {excuse my foul language}) and of course, the bus bunching.
Peace,
ANDEE
COOPER ROUTES WOULD BE MTA ROUTES ANY IDEAS ON HOW OPERATIONS PLANNING WOULD PUT THIER TAKEOVER INTO ACTION?
FOR EXAMPLE; Q18 REMAINS INTO MTA NUMBERING SYSTEM ADJUST ROUTE TO MAKE UNINTERRUPTED ROUTE THROUGH 69TH STREET FROM GRAND AVE TO BROADWAY/69 ST TO BROADWAY 54 ST ELIMINATING BUS SERVICE FROM 58 ST WHICH IS A SMALL STREET ANYWAY AND WOULD SERVICE THE 69TH STREET STOP RESULT IN LOSS OF SERVICE TO LIRR/WOODSIDE STATION #7 STATION HOW COULD THIS BE RECTIFIED?
JONN
The MTA has made plans for the takeover of some of the franchisees. They will not officially release them or even acknowledge that they exist because it would undermine their call for a subsidy transfer. Rest assured that if the MTA got the money tomorrow, they would probably commence a gradual acquisition of routes on January 1.
Frankly, I think that it's about time that someone spoke up. The carriers are being asked to provide services with less support than before. However, a bus crisis will yield some immediate improvements and I'd do the same thing. NYCDOT is in a straitjacket and I'm sure that this works within their plans too. Now the City Council HAS to address the issue...or else.
Can't the privates just start taking buses as collateral for non-payment of repairs? If I have to pay out of my pocket for excessive repairs and I'm not getting reimbursed as I should, those buses become mine.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
What's up with the caps?
Anyway, they should do away with useless and infrequent routes like the Q19,21,67,103 and lots of combinations like the Q21/41, Q22/22A, and Q19B/29 (those are some examples).
Robert
Robert
I would be surprised to see Howell switch 45-footers for 40-footers, given the passenger loads on the 139. If I remember correctly, Academy inherited some of the 139 runs from Suburban/Coach USA. Perhaps the buses in the 49XX range are Academy buses, as all MCI D4000's are in the 7XXX and 8XXX range.
[As far as I know Howell only had D4500's and the older CNG 45ft buses left.]
Just for clarification, the older CNG buses (70XX) are 40-footers.
Robert
You can see the assignment list as of this summer at Dave Mackey's NJT site - here's a direct link to the MCI roster:
NJT MCI Roster
Transit DC...Representing DC Area Transit and Beyond.
May you all be inscribed in the Book of Life for the upcoming year.
Wayne
MetroB
Wayne
Wayne
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
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However, the ABS system is not necessary for normal operation, hence will never be repaired unless a scheduled overhaul includes that particular system.
The ABS lamp is lit on just about every Nova at Queens Village.
The ABS light on our Nova LFS's indicate one of two things. Either a malfunction in the ABS, or a problem with the rear axle. In most cases, when the ABS light comes on, it means that the rear axle is about to go out.
With a standard floor bus, a problem with ABS might not be such a big deal. However, with a low floor bus, it becomes slightly more important. For example, most low-floor buses use low profile tires, with low profile brakes. While these smaller brakes can stop the bus, they tend to heat up very quickly. This is of course why a retarder comes in very handy. Down here in Florida, the roads get slick when it rains. I've had times when my retarder actually started to lock my wheels, and the ABS kicked in to help me keep control of my bus. Without the ABS, the only way to stop my wheels from locking would be to use the accelerator, which defeats the goal of stopping.
On retrospect, the retarder on that particular bus was on the strong side. Perhaps if the retarder was adjusted properly, my wheels might not have locked. *shrug*
-Tyler-
There also could be some Nylon in there, ABS-Nylon mixtures are common, since ABS can be a high-friction material, and Nylon, while very low friction, can be too soft for some things. Generally ABS plastics are used in cases for consumer electronics, like phone, CD player, PDAs and such, even if something looks chromed or such, there's a good chance that it's just a pretty weak coating, and that if you scratch it you'll see ABS. My Motorola V120E even says, "PC-ABS" on the inside of the battery case. Nylon on the other hand is used in applications that require two objects to rub up against each other without the benefit of washers, ball bearings, or other friction reducing aides. In fact, many 'plastic' washers are nylon, as are many low temperature ball-bearings (not the kind that'd be found in a subway wheel bearing, or a car engine). If you've ever taken apart a computer before, or at least seen one open, the cooling fans are usually either nylon or a mostly nylon mixture with ABS.
Hope we all learned something. Just think you just got like 90% of one of my Intro to the Art of Engineering classes, I may have left out Lexan and Thermoset plastics, but at the rates I'm getting raped for college tuition, that one-hour lecture cost 55 bucks. So go to the ballgame (In Joe Bruno park of course, danny) or have a good dinner out on the money I just saved for you when you go to college!
:)
If you ever come down to the Transit Museum in Brooklyn, you can sit in the "cockpit" of an RTS and a fishbowl, and play with all the buttons you want.
Except the ones on the Luminator. =(
I think that the TA should invest in Neoplan Artics, rather than having every artic be a New Flyer (a previous post with a fake picture of a remixed NJT Neo w/ MTA Livery convinced me) but I don't think Neoplan has an option of air-assist rear doors...
Otherwise, NABI buses are so stylish and they would look good with the Blue Stripe of the MTA with Black window and door borders. A 416 (like SEPTA's) would be great, or the 436 Artic (like WMATA), or even better, a 40LFW (like LAMTA) would be THE BEST.
Wouldn't you agree? Or do you think there could be other candidates?
As for NABI 436s, NOOOO! They would be just like a regular 40 foot bus with their front section. The New Flyers and Neoplans are probably 32-28 splits. (However, what engine do the 436s at WMATA and Maryland MTA have: series 50, series 60, or ISM?)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
A few comments...
1)The 2003 D60HFs we have are Detroit Diesel series 50, not 60...although I wish they did have 60s in them...
2)The WMATA and Baltimore MTA Neoplans have Cummins M11s in their NABI 436s.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
-F.
The driver's compartment, to me, felt VERY awkward. You have to sit with your legs more out front then under you as on other makes. In other words, put the seat back farther from the steering column. And then the door control is so far you have to lean forward to use it at every bus stop. And on the low floors, it is VERY easy to fall out of the compartment when standing up to leave it...there simply isn't enough step area. It's a BIG step, about 10" from the floor, unlike the NFI's which have a small step halfway.
Believe me, they are NOT anything like a Flxible Metro in any way. I'd take one of those any day (I have driven them...870's and Metro's...)
NEOPLAN 4EVR!
-F.
What a photo of a bygone era that was..in more ways than one.
-F.
I believe the Baltimore Neos have air-assist rear doors (I'm guessing you mean passenger operated rear doors), but don't hold me to it (then again, you'd have to define "air-assist rear doors" to me, because we may be thinking of different things)
Have a clear picture now?
As to the original point of my post, I'm almost certain that Baltimore's Neo low floors have air assist doors.
Air assist doors were part of SEPTA's Neoplan 40-ft fleet when originally delivered; these were actually bars rather than a touch-tape that is common today, and often were a pain in the ass to open (I think it was the same thing with the early generation RTS buses). They were gradually converted to operator controlled doors during the most recent VOH of the Neos, at least with the 3000-series.
A handful of 8700s from Red Arrow (and possibly a couple 8800s at Frontier) still had the air assist doors, even until their retirement (though I don't know for certain if they were removed once they were transferred to Comly towards the end of their run).
FWIW, the 3000-series Flxibles at NJ Transit have air-assist doors, while the 1700-series Metro Ds are operator controlled.
Well ok.For those who say that then I got one suggestion for them,go ride NJT and Westchester Bee-Line.Plenty of Flx's there to go around and Bee Line has the better Flx's too.
BIG AL
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BIG AL
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BIG AL
Anyways, I was riding the Circuit (and also went out to Old Town Alexandria) tonight, and not only did I see tons and tons of drunk students, but boy, them women;-)
Girls sitting on each other's laps on Gilligs, girls passed out on the seats, girls wearing skimpy outfits.....
Also, the Circuit that came around at about 12:50 AM appeared to not have its lights on as it approached the Stamp Student Union, which was where I was standing.
It turns out the bus was so jam packed with wasted drunks and wasted drunk hotties that I could not see the interior lights of the bus;-)
Oh yeah, I also have many night shots of Shuttle-UM (and OC DASH) from the excursion. Enjoy!
Transit DC...Representing DC Area Transit and Beyond
I stopped driving the Cirucuit midway through one semester because I was tired of driving through the frat parties where the bus would get pelted with beer caps and I had to drive super slow so I didn't flatten anybody. The Circuits, or Circus as I called it, was ok during the week, but I refused to drive them on the weekends after that episode.
By the way, Tuesday nights are the best times to drive or ride as usually the sorority girls ride them to go to their rushes.
CIRCUS
DRUNK TANK
;-)
But sorority girls riding a Gillig for rushes? How large is the UM campus? (Disclaimer: I was never in a frat or sorority during my undergraduate college years, which ended upon my graduation in May.)
-Adam Moreira
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
The one hottie that passed out on the bus was like a sneeze away from yacking all over the Gillig floor. The bus driver pulled our Gillig out of Service in front of the Engineering Building and had another Gillig put into service behind right behind him take over his passengers. He drove her and her not-so-wasted friend back to LaPlata Hall.
It would be funny driving these kids around. First, I'd see them sober as we'd go out to Route 1, then several hours later, they're all waiting to go back to the dorms. The whole busload once sang Kenny Rogers "The Gambler". They kept a pretty good beat the whole time. There were always a nice array of hotties that road those things. : )
That is exactly what our driver did before he drove the passed out hottie back to her dorm.
I have a few DASH Orion I promotional magnets available if you are interested, along with some Gillig Phantom and SEPTA Neoplan-shaped magnets. Thanks again for sharing the photos; you did a great job!
-F.
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=87458
David
BIG AL
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
That's not correct - a few of us are interested about bus systems outside of the metro NY/NJ area.
That said, Danny - I think you should be able to figure out by now that the fans here don't have any knowledge of historic Albany bus routes. You may want to look in other directions - for example, the Motor Bus Society publishes a magazine several times a year about historic bus operations. Maybe they've done an article about the Albany area. Their website is at
http://www.motorbussociety.org/
Jim D.
Anyone know how much it cost to build the Transcenter? Including redoing the streets and area?
Buses do start and end at the TransCenter, but that's off-street car parking (i.e. a garage) above the buses.
If I was president of the MTA I would install these bus terminals at 165 Street, Jamaica Parsons Archers (above Parsons Blvd and above the LIRR Tracks) and at several other points in the city where 7-15 bus lines terminate or join up.
They work best with the buses at street level and the parking above. It would be great at 165th Street, but it's privately owned. At Parsons, it would have been better to excavate the LIRR embankment - compare with the bus terminal in Stamford, which is at street level under the Metro-North station.
Not also to mention Flushing.
A TransCenter-like development would be a great replacement for that monstrously ugly Municipal Parking Lot. There could even be offices and/or apartments above the parking levels.
What do you think of the concept? Is it feasible?
A transcenter in Flushing is a great idea, but aside from the Borough President, there is zero support for the concept in the area or region.
Then again. Traffic flow in Flushing being as bad as it is (like cold molasses at times), Main Street (Sanford Av to Northern Blvd) and Roosevelt Avenue (Union St to Prince St) would need to be bus-only streets, like Fulton Street in Downtown Brooklyn. Ample parking could be provided above the terminal. And, access to the subway and railroad would be provided fairly easily.
[How many bus lines total going there, including the inter-city and casino buses]
I don't know about the inter-city and casino buses, but I can give you a list of bus routes that run in DT Flushing.
Terminal Routes - 15:
Q12, Q13, Q14, Q15, Q16, Q17, Q26, Q27, Q28, Q48, Q58, Q66, QBx1, N20, N21
Thru Routes - 5
Q20A/B*, Q25*, Q34, Q65, X32
*: These routes have short runs that terminate at Main & Roosevelt.
When I recomended Caldor, I meant using the property, not the building itself, lol, although, that would be pretty interesting.
Hmmm, 27 bus bays? Probably need 2 levels for the buses, and then a third level for bus parking. As far as car parking goes...eh, IDK. I guess you could put say...a few hundread spots on the 3rd and/or 4 th levels. An overhead walkway from the Bus terminal and parking lot to the LIRR platform would be very useful. We would also need an underground passage to the 7 line.
1)Keep the thru buses on Main St [Q20, 25/34, 44, 65 and X32]
2)Re-route the Q14, 17, 27, 66, and QBx1 onto Union St where the bus entrance to the Terminal would be (at Union and Roosevelt).
3)Re-route the Q58 onto College Pt. Blvd to Roosevelt Ave, then turn on to Roosevelt Ave to Union St term entrance (joining the Q48 to the Union St entrance).
4)All of the other buses [Q12, 13, 15, 16, 26, 28, and N20, 21] would use the Union St entrance to the terminal.
5)The Terminal would have 17 loading bays in a U shape configuration with a direct entrance to the Main St [7] station, and entrance to the LIRR station. A head house would face Main St where people could go downstairs to the Subway or Buses, or upstairs to the LIRR and street level entrances to the Shopping/Office complex.
If the buses have to layover, then a lot would be built where they would layover. However, it would be prudent to schedule the buses in a way in which there would be little or no layover time at the terminal.
What do you think of that idea and visualization?
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Thru buses, Casino buses, and inter-city buses on the ground level of the terminal, Terminating buses on the 2nd level, bus/car parking on the third level, and then more car parking on the 4th level. That means
14 bays on the ground level
13 or 14 bays on the 2nd level
IMO, the municipal parking deck would have been an ideal location for a bus terminal, even if it isn't immediately adjacent to the subway terminal; in fact, when the garage was proposed in 1952, it was supposed to contain a bus terminal. I've recently heard that the City wants to sell the property for retail, most likely with subsurface parking levels. Buses stay on the streets :(.
I though there were a lot more lines than 7, like the following:
1W, 3, 5, 6, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20/21, 40/41, 60/62, 63, 84, CT Transit Route I, OWL, TZX just for starters.
You have Bee-Line, CT Transit (Stamford I-Bus), Rockland (Tappan Zee Express), Orange-Westchester Link (I think this is ShortLine/CUSA service to Orange County), Leprechaun Lines (to Poughkeepsie/Dutchess County), Greyhound, and 1 or 2 of the Trailways operations (I think it's Pine Hill and/or Adirondack, but don't quote me on it).
It's been a few years since I've been to the "other" Westchester (at least to me), but I think those are the carriers who operate there.
We Brooklynites are not lazy people. However, seriously, while the low floors in Brooklyn (all ungoverned because they are CNG) do ride like cars, many of the curbs here are low with the street. Thus, what would be a 3 inch climb is more a 12 inch one.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
To most of us, the 4 inches may not make much of a difference, but to many, it's a HUGE difference.
I like how the kneel works on the LFS, though. When you flip the switch for the kneel to come back up, you don't have to hold it. You just press it up, and the kneel comes up all the way, and releases the interlock. Even if the bus isn't able to come up all the way, it releases the interlock, and finishes coming up as the bus starts to move. I wish it were that way on our RTS's.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
If they are hardly ever used, then they tend to jam in the down position. Then you have to shut the bus off and wait a minute or so for it to s-l-o-w-l-y raise back up.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
But our D60LF's DO get stuck....
I actually just quickly snap the knob to Clearance and then back to Run quickly enough so that the engine doesnt stall, but the sensor gets reset. The bus then comes up as I pull away from the stop.
But you have fairly smooth roads....out here in california, the roads are falling apart and until the air has fully rechagred int he suspension, it's hard on the hemorrhoids.
We have some rocky roads, I assure you. However, it typically only takes 10 seconds before the suspension rises back to normal.
Or did NJT and coach USA just not order one?
www.regionaltransitservice.com
Yes, Chicago still runs their ex-Seattle MAN Artics in the yellow and brown colors. They are just now recieving their new NABI artics, I have yet to see one though.
Mike
Hey, some of Saturday and Sunday I'm gonna be in town, Sunday I'll most likely be wandering the city on my own. What routes do I need to visit to see the MANs, Artic and Americanas? Do they run through the loop? I'm also planning on traveling out to Howard (the lack of purple line service makes that a bit iffy), some of the way down the Green Line, and maybe as far as Comisky (or whatever the heck it's called) on the Red Line.
Also are any NABI Artics out wandering the system?
Thanks in advance.
Another possibility: Supplemental service this Saturday along Addison Street for Game 4 of the Cubs-Braves playoff series. (Yeah, it's gonna happen!) Wrigley Field is normally a 20-25 minute trip on the Red Line north from the Loop.
As for the MAN Americanas, I'm afraid you're out of luck. About 40 of the original 361-bus order are still running after 18 years --- but never on weekends. The only place to see them would be at rest in the North Side yard where they're all assigned. (The North Park Depot --- outside storage).
Re: The new NABI Artics. Only a handful have been delivered --- maybe a half dozen(?). They operate mainly on Route 14 between the Loop (again, along Michigan Avenue) and the Southeast Side.
Hope this helps, WD. Enjoy your time in Chicago.
The whole series remained nearly intact until 2000. Bit by bit, they dropped off the roster as the Nova LFs arrived. Despite the black louvred panels in place of rear windows, the CTA's Americanas were never air conditioned. The '80s were a lean decade for transit in Chicago so everything was done on the cheap.
Americanas did run in Charlotte, the home of MAN's U.S. assembly plant. (It closed in 1988). Other cities with Americanas in their bus fleets include(d) New Orleans, Minneapolis-St.Paul, and Seattle.
I have pictures of some CTA buses on my web page as well:
http://www.mike-stephenson.org/buses/
I went to the Empire State Building last night and here's what i observed:
MTA New York City Transit:
1990 TMC RTS-06 #8231 - NIS (unrepowered)
1990 TMC RTS-06 #8250 - M3
1990 TMC RTS-06 #8253 - M2
1990 TMC RTS-06 #8286 - M3
1990 TMC RTS-06 #8178 - M16 (unrepowered) It might have been #8173 but I'm sure it was #8178!
1994 TMC RTS-06 #8603 - M16
1994 TMC RTS-06 #8610 - M16
1994 TMC RTS-06 #8639 - M6* (* - Two pics of this bus! The ONLY bus pics out of the WHOLE night!!! I'm pissed because my camera would not work!)
1994 TMC RTS-06 #8646 - NIS (Could have been #8616 but I'm not sure)
1994 TMC RTS-06 #8653 - M6
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #8803 - M3
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #9201 - M21
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #9211 - M21
1997 NovaBus RTS-06 #9582 - B39 (I don't understand why the bus had to take up BOTH lanes on the outer roadway on the Williamsburg Bridge!)
1998 NovaBus RTS-06 #5042 - M2
1998 NovaBus RTS-06 #5048 - M2
1993 Orion 05.501 #229 - Q32
1998 MCI 102-DL3WSSS #1862 - X17
1999 MCI 102-DL3WSSS #2027 - X10
2000 MCI D4500 #2749 - X1
2001 MCI D4501 #2829 - X10
Queens Surface Corporation:
1998 Orion 05.501 CNG #528 - NIS (will become the QM1A)
1998 Orion 05.501 CNG #571 - NIS (will become the QM1A)
1999 Orion 05.501 CNG #496 - NIS (will become the QM1A)
Command Bus Company:
1988 MCI Classic Suburban TC-40102A #421 - ?
1988 MCI Classic Suburban TC-40102A #443 - ?
Bee-Line Buses of Westchester County:
1986 MCI 102A3 #923 - BxM4C (That's obvious!)
Enjoy!
Ray
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Robert
Robert
Robert
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Why he posts only on Friday and Saturday, I have speculated, but will not say why on a public forum.
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
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BIG AL
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In the 80's I used to listen to the communications in Queens, on VHF Low. The buses came in clearly but the dispatcher was almost unintelligable most of the time..due to poor audio. Depending on the dispatcher, it was usually an exercise in frustration! Anyone remember this? What is the current system, direct or repeater? I no longer live in NYC so I can't hear it.
I also remember stickers on the entrance to the buses that said the radios were sponsored by CITIBANK.
Dash 80
Well there you have it. Is it feasible? Would NYCT ever consider it? I'd be interested in the board's opinions.
Wayne
I think it can be a temporary and cheaper solution for the SAS problem, which has been talked about for over 70 years (since 1929, the line was planned)...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
The problem is that the limiting factor in the building of the SAS isn't the laying of the rails, the placement of stations or electrical substations, it's the boring itself that takes so long. That's why a Second Ave Subway would work so well, the 1.5 mile Seattle Center Monorail was built in 1962 in just 6 months, that's a rate of 3 miles per year. And if you want a more modern example, the Las Vegas 3.9 mile initial operating section will go from ground breaking in 2001 to first train in 2004 if all goes according to plan, which it should, they're ahead of schedule. That's 1.3 miles per year, if the 8.5 Second Ave Monorail were to be built at that rate, it'd be done by Summer of 2014, and if we managed to really zoom along at the rate Alweg did back in 1962, it'd be done by Spring of 2007.
And I'd be willing to bet that an all electric monorail system would be considerably cheaper than a submerged-bus.
Not really. The big costs it digging the hole around all the utilities, especially whre the stations are.
What would be faster and cheaper (but NOT fast and cheap) would be making, say, 3rd Avenue two way and just for buses and emergency vehicles (trucks and deliveries at night), and digging underpasses at all the major cross streets (42nd, 34th, 23rd, etc.) The BRT street would have signal priority over all the narrow streets, as it does today, but it would also have signal priority over the major cross streets, since through traffic could go under.
That means taking a street away from cars, trucks and everything else, however. And it still wouldn't be as fast as a subway, nor offer as good a set of connections to the existing subway system. On the other hand, it could be used by local buses, express buses, and the special BRT buses on a subway-like route, all at the same time.
One of the reasons seattle went for the bus tunnel was that they don't have a very large Central Business District, also they have virtually no preexsisting fixed guideway public transit and no commuter rail, all public transit-taking workers come in via bus. NYC has both of these, and a very large CBD (to say the least).
Even a double articulated bus, on the order of 90 feet long wouldn't have the capacity to compete with a Heavy Rail Transit SAS. NYCTA would certainly lose some of their renowned cost effectiveness by having to pay many more operators than if they ran subway trains to cover the SAS, even with the two operators required per train.
Now a monorail above Second Ave could be operating by 2007, carry near-subway crowds, be OPTO, and still operate above the SAS once it is in operation. It also could then feed as one of the north-south feeders for the Manhattan Monorail system, with lines on 11th ave, 2nd Ave, 110th St, 96th st, possibly 79th, 59th or 57th, possibly 42nd, 34th, 23rd, and Houston St. Payment would be via metrocard with free transfer to all subway stations encountered via enclosed staircases, elevators and escalators similar to Chicago's El-Subway transfers.
Now if only there weren't the stupid NY'ers who are anti-el train!
For those not familiar with the Bridge-Pratt area (AFA I'm concerned, it's still Frankford Terminal or Bridge-Pratt to me, but that's another story), Frankford bus garage is due north of the El tracks and is part of the Frankford Terminal complex.
It's also much better than the previous pre-construction set-up, which for those who may not recall, had most of the bus berths lined up at an angle underneath the El facing Frankford Av.
#3 West End Jeff
#3 West End Jeff
BIG AL
I know that QV is short on buses now, but JAM also?
-Adam
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-Adam
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Mark
Man, those "Bon Jour" ads are a favorite on the New York City Buses! I remember back in the 80's, the MaBSTOA buses had them like #2605, #2609, #2688 and a few others! Man, those are memories!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Q53-#2804-TMCRTS
Q35-#5539-Orion V
B100-#4903-TMCRTS-CNG
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
I get on repainted 5092 and it was a slow starter but after 20-25mph it really runs 8-). By Myrtle Av we got a real crowd and as usual the people hog the front of the bus and some dumbass asked if the bus was going to Lorimer and the damn sign said "L LORIMER ST", a bright green LED in the evening time, sadness :-\. The bus doesn't get empty afterwards and we catch up to the bus in front of us, 4963 and I saw a couple of surprises along the way like 7046 & 8353; both of 126. I get off at Lroimer and walk back to complete the round trip and I let 4851 & 9443 go since the people swarmed those buses :-0. I wait for 7519 and it has good A/C. A good ride and running via Johnson Av we go 40-45mph along thta stretch but we catch up to 4851 by Jefferson; which was a real slow junker ad got stuck behind it the rest of the way. So I take the A to Nostrand, wait for the C to Franklin Av, the FS then the Q train home.
The buses I saw. Enjoy!
ENY:4410,4963,5219,5220,8110,8116,8345,8899,8901,8929,9076
UP:4468,4774,7519,7526,9085,9097,9100,9110,9295,9307,9312,9314,9330
FB:5077,5082,5092,5096,5107,8411,9385,9395,9413,9428,9443,9445
JG:4643,4647,4648,4660,4693,8450,8453,8457,8525,8540,8542,8544
FP:4705,4736,8538,8560,8562,8565,9150,9154,9474,9593,9599,9600
126:4821,4851,7038,7046,8214,8237,8247,8353,8467,8499
NF 891 B8
RTS 5078 B41 LTD
R38 3965 (A)
RTS 5082 L SHUTTLE
RTS 8899 L SHUTTLE
RTS 5092 L SHUTTLE
RTS 7519 L SHUTTLE
R44 5265 (A)
R32 3835 (C)
R68 2918 Franklin Shuttle
R68 2740 (Q)
Never in your life roll through my area again, lol...Im kidding around.
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http://216.156.84.253/terminal.html
BIG AL
.... bring nose plugs, dark sunglasses and insecticide :-)
I keep thinking back to posts about the Hudson junk - and I still maintain Hudson was pretty good - certainly Quill is no better anyway.
PN
Jason
I'd leave the rest alone. Some routes that were listed, such as the N4,N6,N15 run full most of the time. While you do see some N15's leaving Roosevelt Field nearby empty, by the time they get to Hempstead they are quite full. And during weekdays you are always getting 10-20 people getting on at the stop near social services.
The N16 Silver Lake segment does seem kinda useless, I never see anyone stay on past Rockville Centre. Eliminating the N26 is just crazy, those buses get packed. Eliminating the N23 on Sundays is equally insane, this leaves Port Washington without any bus service on Sundays.
The N19 is a faily busy route, I think they are nuts trying to reduce service on that as well, and eliminating weekend service is just insane. Same goes for the N25, which gets heavy ridership on weekdays and weekends. The N79 is also a key route that should not be touched at all. Like yesterday (Saturday) we were packed on Old Country rd in Plainview.
I'd rather see them do away with the N73/74 and the N80/81 completely than cut service on key routes. Here's my list of key routes that should not be touched:
N4,N6,N15,N19,N20,N21,N22,N23,N24,N25,N27,N31/32,N40/41,N54/55,N70/71/72,N79
If they plan on cutting service they better get traffic checkers out there (dont they get farebox ridership data as well?)and only cut routes/runs with less than 10 people on them.
As for the rest of the routes, I don't think any weekend service should be elminated, just made more convinient. I think we need to have a hub bus, but something that actually circles the entire hub, not that lil piece of crap line that doesn't do anything. First, I say conduct a daily study of each route for one month each. Then figure out what needs to be done with them.
Hey! My mother rides that bus. Although, she reports that she is usually alone or at most 1 or 2 other riders.
N17 exists for a few reasons. It usually drops off about 5-10 people at Mercy Hospital (which otherwise has no service) and picks up a similar number. It also provides added rush hour service along Franklin Ave in Hempstead and for some A.M. commuter traffic going to the Rockville Centre LIRR.
Both of the above would be on my list of cuts as well, though. Sorry Mom.
CG
Most bus routes don't carry very well along EVERY segment of the route. However, that does not tell the story on usage. Killing the N1, N2, and N3 adds pressure on the N6 on Hempstead Turnpike. Run more N6s, you say? Well, RUSH HOUR cuts save more money than off-peak cuts because they don't have to keep equipment or personnel on hand for it. That means that although it costs more to run the N1 all day than to cut it back permanently, that bus runs all day and serves more people than an rush hour only N6.
It's not how many people are on each bus. It's the number of people moved per day RELATIVE to the resources required to move them. Perhaps LI Bus should put out ridership info for all of their lines and operating costs as well.
What is the N27 to you John -- it's like a drug. You moved away, yet you still go back. We can't help you if you're not willing to help yourself...
As far as the waiting room goes, I think this needs to be fixed. I like the idea of it, and it's nice and big too. Yet, there could be improvements. If Greyhound and the other inter-city carriers use the bays at the terminal like I propose they do, I think they should have ticket offices inside the waiting room. Also, a few LIB info/Metrocard windows would be nice too. Also, maybe have something like an arrival/departure board and announcements. Maybe even a few TV's with the news, weahther, and maybe some sports stuff. Also, a bigger snack stand needs to be put in. Maybe something with sandwhiches, drinks, ya kno, kinda like a deli.
And if at all possible, a tunnel from the waiting room to the train station waiting room, that way you don't have to cross the street.
Also, now that I know the reason for the wierd setup of what bus route goes where, how about this:
The bus bays(docks)(not the route) are numbered in numerical order, right? So have a board with a note. like,
N27 Glen Cove..............................................Dock 9
N40 Mineola................................................Dock 10
N41 Mineola................................................Dock 11
N40 Freeport...............................................Dock 12
N41 Freeport...............................................Dock 13
yada yada yada
Greyhound NYC, Phildaelphia, Baltimore, Washington DC......Dock 21
Greyhound points East......................................Dock 22
Shortline Binghamton.......................................Dock 23
Ya get the idea. Also, announcements I think are a good idea, and can be used to warn people when buses are late and just how late they are, so those who have the option can choose another bus route.
Anyone?
Also, Greyhound doesn't have a full time ticket agent at Hempstead. If I'm not mistaken, they just sell tickets from a travel agency and/or newsstand and stop the busses in front of the store. (The Queens Village stop is one of those Te-Amo tobacco/newsstands). The storeowner gets a commission on the ticket and maybe some sales of snacks and magazines and Greyhound gets a rider. The storeowner probably has a number of casino busses also stop in front of his store with the same type of deal. He does the marketing in exchange for a commission and the bus line gets a passenger.
CG
As far as announcements go, maybe just for the inter-city buses, and maybe to announce cancellations on LIB. Also, I know the schedules are available at HTC, but I think something more, in-tact would be nice. I like that idea of LED signs over each bus bay sign for each bus route, but I also think a large one inside the waiting room, along with intercity bus listings, with every route would be good.
And about the number of inter-city departures, 21!!!(East and West):
ADP 7:20am-Albany, Ny
GLI 8:05am-Washington, D.C.
HTL 8:07am-Monticello, Ny
GLI 9:25am-New York City(Port Authority)
ADP 10:35am-Albany, Ny
GLI 11:30am-Islip, Li
HTL 12:00pm-Patchogue, Li
GLI 12:01pm-Springfield, Ma(Friday's only)
HTL 12:17pm-Monticello, Ny
GLI 1:30pm-Washington, D.C.
ADP 2:15pm-Freeport, Li
ADP 3:40pm-Albany, Ny
HTL 4:12pm-Monticello, Ny
GLI 4:30pm-New York City(Port Authority)
HTL 4:55pm-Patchogue, Li
ADP 6:05pm-Babylon, Li
GLI 6:50pm-Islip, Li
HTL 8:05pm-Patchogue, Li
ADP 8:50pm-Islip, Li
GLI 9:30pm-Islip, Li
ADP 9:40pm-Babylon, Li
All with intermidiate stops(Except Freeport buses). I think that is enough to justify 2 or 3 bus bays in the transit center. Also, a ticket office from 7:00am to 10:00 pm would be perfect for the intercity bus lines.
I think you're overestimating the ridership. How many people are really boarding at Hempstead for those eastbound runs? Who's going to take Greyhound from Hempstead to Freeport/Massapequa/Babylon or Islip when you can take LIB or LIRR and it would be faster and less expensive.
With the time schedule you listed, I don't see why you'd ever need more than 2 bays.
Nassau county runs from HTC are only $3.00 and are MUCH faster than LIB or the RR.
HTC to Suffolk County is anywhere from $7.50 to $10.00. Much more expensive, yet, much faster. Also, I've seen about 10-15 people gettin on the buses before, and I bet if more people knew about it, then more people would ride it. Bringing the buses to the transit center building will allow the people to realize that these services exist.
I guess 2 bays would work fine, but I think if they would want to increase service, a 3rd one would be nice. Seriously, 3 bus companies, I think each should get its own bay.
As far as the ticket office/waiting room goes, I still stick with my 7:00am-10:00pm operation.
Maybe CNG, but that's just about the same damn thing.
And these days we're taking back what is ours. :-)
There are second-hand Classics and New Looks running all over the place in Ontario. For example four classics in YRT (York Region Transit), also new looks and classics in Brantford. Utah New Looks also ran in Toronto for as few months in 1998.
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MetroB
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From Downtown Bklyn,I took the R train to 86St to catch the S79 and as usual I was expecting a O5 since that's what I had always gotten before but instead,I got my first ever RTS ride in SI on former FP bus 4380 which of course still had FP stickers on it and no YUK stickers.Took it to SI Mall then hung around there for a couple of hours and decided to take the S61 to St.George.
Since I didn't feel like walking to Merry Mount St to get it,I opted to take the first bus that came that would take me to Yukon Depot and what d'ya know,it was another RTS on the S79,8303.By now I was so deep in shock that I was EXPECTING a O5 on the 61.But lo and behold my last bus ride in SI was ANOTHER RTS!!! this time 4741,another ex FP bus.
This was a first,my entire SI trip that consisted of RTS'!After that I took the ferry then the M6 to 42St on bus #8653 and did other stuff that I won't mention here at all.
Overall it was very exciting,wish I had a camera to take pictures but I dont but I promise I'll get one.I am planning a formal SI bus trip if anyone wishes to come.Date,time and meeting place TBD.
Ozzy Zamora
NYCT MABSTOA Traffic Checker
Ultimate fan of Miami Dade Transit
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Cool!
At this rate, ALL ex-express buses will be converted by this time next year.....we hope!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
-Adam
(adam.moreira99@stjohns.edu)
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
.....And on your next trip you could sit next to a fat, smelly guy who makes noises and just got out of prison.
It's a crap shoot.
Mike
On the other hand, the Chinese coaches offer me a $15 ticket one way from DC to NY, nice drivers who are busfan friendly (though limited english), early arrivals with late departures (all 4 of my trips departed late for some reason, and arrived ontime or early.), a new Vanhool C2045, onboard entertainment, 90 mph weaving-through-traffic type of driving, and a lack of cruise control use.
Oh and that Fat smelly guy? There was none. All my chinabus trips had only 25 people or so, so I had a whole aisle all to my self which I could lie down across 2 seats and get some sleep. The Majority of the people who ride the china buses are college students and chinese shoppers. My greyhound ride, however, was PACKED full of rude people. I remember my last ride on Greyhound I couldn't even recline my seat because the bitch behind me told me not to, and there was a fat guy sitting next to me, taking up my kneeroom.
Go Figure.
http://www.cnn.com/US/Newsbriefs/9511/11-24/
http://www.robsherman.com/information/liberalnews/2001/0704.htm
Now tell me whats safer? A fully awake and aware driving weaving at 90 mph or a driver driving asleep at 65 mph?
Neither one of your two choices is particularly safe.
I've been a Greyhound buff for quite a few years. In fact my first post at BusTalk over 4 years ago was about Greyhound. I cofounded a Yahoo group for people who have an interest in Greyhound. I have my own issues with Greyhound and a small number of their drivers.
I was surprised in this thread that you brought up the issue of drivers for the Chinatown bus companies weaving and driving at 90 mph. I hope you are just exaggerating. I hope you are not suggesting that this is true of a large number of drivers. I realize that the fast aggressive driving might make for a more exciting ride for some buffs, but a bus driver weaving and speeding as you described, should lose his/her license.
You linked to an article about a Greyhound crash in which many people were injured and some died. It is true that over the years there have been some horrible crashes, some of which were caused by drivers who were fatigued.
Unfortunately, there was a horrible bus crash earlier this year involving a bus carrying many people from Chinatown to Atlantic City. Several people were killed.
Riding Greyhound has its problems. There are some drivers who have an attitude. There are passengers who are difficult. But Greyhound does transport millions of people to their destinations safely.
The Chinatown bus companies have challenged Greyhound and Peter Pan with their low fares. Their service has caught on, forcing Greyhound/Peter Pan to drop their own fares.
I just hope that the average driver with these new companies does not weave and speed at 90 mph. They would be doing their passengers, who put their lives in their hands, a true disservice.
Sorry for the disorganizatin of this response, but heres a link that you might find interesting. Quite interesting to know how much these chinese companys will fight to gain ridership ;-)
http://www.nydailynews.com/06-16-2003/news/story/92827p-84289c.html
The Chinese bus companies originally catered to the Chinese residents in Boston, New York, Philly and Washington, offering them a low cost method of travel. Then college students and other people became aware of the low fares and began using these bus lines. As more people started using them, the trend began to register on Greyhound/Peter Pan's radar screens.
I was amused by one of Greyhound's attempts to crack the Chinatown market. They took one of their buses and put it in a very attractive bus wrap, marked "Chinatown Bus Service" (I think those were the words) with a lot of nice graphics. They used it to shuttle passengers between a pick up point a little north of Canal on Lafayette Street, where they would pick up people and take them to the Port Authority, where they would transfer to regular Boston coaches.
I thought that was a joke for many reasons.
Their pickup point was several blocks from where the Chinese bus companies operate. I think you had to purchase a ticket, at some travel agency up on the 5th floor in a building on Canal Street.
I think they made about 4 round trips from Lafayette to the Port every day. This operation added about an hour and a half to the trip to Boston.
I wonder if it was all for show, as I don't think they really served too many people.
Greyhound/Peter Pan have continued to lower their fares. I would guess that they are really trying to win back the mainstream riders that they lost.
I've heard that another advantage of travelling with the companies originating in Chinatown is that there is little in the way of checking people's identity and bags. I'm not suggesting that people are carrying anything illegal. It's more that many of the Chinese people who were the original riders of these buses do not speak English too well. Some people might not have the kind of id that Greyhound often needs to see to issue a ticket. So for them, these local bus companies were a real blessing.
I have read some of the stories like the one you linked to. Here, too, I hope that the intrigues between the companies and "organized crime" are not the general rule.
I have been down to Chinatown a couple of times and was fascinated with the large number of places that sold tickets and with the dispatchers who "hustled" people on the street, asking them where they were going.
I've read that at certain times, when there are a lot of people travelling, that the buses get sold out. Are some of the companies selling tickets on line?
Frankly, as I am rushing toward senility and old age, drivers hotrodding makes me very uncomfortable.
About 2 years ago I was going to Boston on Greyhound, and the driver was really speeding and weaving, so that he would be able to sneak in another rest stop, where I think he got a cut from the people who ran the restaurant. He was barrelling in the left lane, and got into a jam because the lane ended, and ended up bringing the bus to a dead stop in the left lane. I'm not the type who drops a "dime" (or quarter) on someone, but I was really furious with that prick for endangering my life. So honestly I am not comforted by the fact that the drivers average only 80. I wonder if they get nailed for speeding much? I know that "weaving" is a moving violation in many states.
I've read that at some times when there is not many riders, that smaller vans are used.
Oddly enough, on Wednesday, a new luxury bus service started between New York and Boston, that seeks to attract business travellers who would either use Amtrak or the airlines. Has anyone talked about that here?
Mark
What REALLY gets me thinking is how these little Chinese Bus Companys can afford such nice and loaded brand new Vanhool C2045s when they charge only $10 and $15 one way, or has the organized crime gone to the CEO of Vanhool ;-)
I hear a lot of how spectacular Greyhound service is on the Boston-NY runs but I've never rode it myself so I cannot give a comment on it. But I can tell you that Greyhound DC to NY runs SUCK, drivers are awful, slow cruising in the rightmost lane, late departure, late arrival, and expensive. (well, not anymore.)
On my most recent ride with the chinatown bus, we DID get pulled over. Not for speeding/reckless driving, but for picking up a late passenger at a red light. The officer witnessed this, pulled us over, and went ballistic on our driver. While the officer took all the paperwork and went back to his police car to check it out, he instructed our bus driver to park the bus at a MTA bus stop and wait for further instructions, staying with the bus, which we did. While we were sitting there waiting for the officer, a SECOND police car spotted us resting at the MTA bus stop and wanted to ticket the driver for idling at an MTA bus stop and idling. The second officer asked for the driver's paperwork, which the first officer had at the moment. So as you can imagine, we got into DEEP sh*t. 45 minutes later, everything was solved and the conflicts have been figured out. The officer did a quick inspection on our bus and let us go, wishing us a good trip. So we left NYC 50 minutes behind schedule, at 7:00 PM. We arrived in DC at 10 PM, ON TIME.
Speaking of which, these chinese buses provide EXCELLENT customer service. On my ride from DC to NY, the driver pulled over on the shoulder of the BW parkway and I watched as 2 people ran out of a car parked in the shoulder and hopped on our bus. We proceeded. On another trip, we left chinatown on time, when we reached Broadway, the driver got a call on his cell phone, pulled over, and parked. He ran out of the bus and disappeared. 15 minutes later, he came back, with a late passenger who missed the bus in the first place. Finally, on my last trip from NY to DC, as we were rolling down the BW parkway approaching DC, the driver pulled over at certain exits to let passengers off at exits where it is more convenient for them to get home, instead of coming home all the way from DC. Excellent customer service that Greyhound wouldn't dare offer.
Certain companys do use cutaways for trips with fewer riderships, but those companys only run routes from NY to Boston. My morning trips from DC to NY had barely 15 people and we had a full 40 foot bus.
And that new luxury bus, I would LOVE to ride it. $68 to ride an executive coach sounds really nice, compared to Amtrak at least. I would definately give it a try. Anyone has pics of their coaches?
Well heres a picture of the bus that I got the last time I rode the chinese coach.
http://photos.transitgallery.com/album20/aaa?full=1
Enjoy!
Dragon Clips? what are those?
"I'm fed up with... late departures"
Then you said, "early arrivals with late departures," So which is it? Late departures good or bad? IMO, they're good. And either way, every time I ride greyhound NYC-Boston, we are always atleast 15 min(the most recent trip an hour) early and leave at the earliest 30 min late, so I ask you, where is the problem?
"...$50 tickets, 60 mph driving with cruise control, and drowsy drivers."
NYC-Boston is only $40 RT!!!!!!! 60 MPH? I don't think you can make it from NYC to Boston with 2 15 min stops in 3 hrs. And never once have I had a drowsey driver. My only complaint is that yes, SOMETIMES the drivers are a little rude.
It has occured to you that mls515 was responding to Chap11's first post, not ray's post pointing out the wonders of the Chinabus system. Really the context of the two posts doesn't fit, it would seem that mls515 was responding to Chap11's post, about having a pleasant Running Mutt ride.
It's also worth noting that it's likely that the Chinabus does not run to Scranton. I don't actually know, but it seems unlikely that they would run their busses on such a small-market route. They seem to prefer leaching off larger markets, draining potential ridership from Amtrak, the air shuttles, Greyhound, and through-commuter service.
>>Flying is too expensive
Not all the time. The reason I took Greyhound in the first place is that I delivered a Winnebago RV to Atlanta. After I dropped the thing off at the dealer, I called my brother-in-law and he got me a one-way Atlanta - Chicago Midway for $115.50 on Delta.com. Not bad for buying only four hours before flying! Then I took Greyhound to Ames after a couple nights of kickin' it in Chicago, went out for pizza and beer and then drove my car from there home to Des Moines.
Greyhound is a last resort. I wish there was an alternative. I've bought air tickets to go to Chicago in the $100 - $200 range before. I'd pay $100 to take a modern motorcoach there and back if the schedule were right.
Mike
1. Really low fares, even cheaper than LIRR at some points
2. Always early
3. You don't have to transfer to go cross country or short distances, only a few routes require a transfer(like Hempstead to White Plains).
4. They go to a lot of places not served by other modes of transportation.
When I was in NY last March I took the bus up to Boston to party for a night up there. My friend suggested the Chinatown bus but I was pressed for time. I took New Jersey Transit to the Port Authority Terminal, went to the info window and then to the nearest ticket window of an appropriate company. I ended up on Bonanza Bus Lines (Coach USA) and was very happy with that trip.
Mike
Also, you can't make a judgement on something as a whole when you've only experienced a part.
Good experiences:
1. Always leave at the earliest 20 min late
2. Always arrive atleast 15 min early
3. Always stop at Roy Rogers
4. Drivers know where they're going(except for one time)
5. Comfortable seats
6. Everybody(or atleast the majority) sleeps
7. Drivers are so so when it comes to attitudes
8. Since I was young at the time and was travelling alone(well, with my little brother), the driver made sure we were picked up by people we knew when we got to the stop. How's that for actually giving a damn?
9. REALLY LOW PRICES!!!
Bad experiences:
1. Door wouldn't close at the Roy Rogers(Damn newer buses).
2. No TV(Peter Pan does however)
3. And my most recent trip, our cheap ass Vermont Transit bus kept jumping around, and they had to do a bus swap at Boston(I was getting off there anyway, so it didn't bother me none)
4. Our Peter Pan bus once broke down(not like I haven't experienced this with LIB or a family road trip), thank you shitty engines.
Overall, GREYHOUND RULES!!!
I'm hazarding a guess that bus was powered by Cummins.
Those Cummins L10G's sure do suck. Always breakin down. Hope LI Bus learned its lesson never to get Cummins again. Now if we can get those L10G's repowered.....
Good Experiences:
1.EXCELLENT customer service, they are patient for late passengers, take requested stops anywhere along the route, etc.
2.Dirt cheap (well not dirt), $10-$15 one way, $30 round trip
3.NICE buses, Dina Marcopolos, Vanhool C2045s, Prevost H3-45s.
4.Busfan friendly drivers, my driver posed the bus for to take pictures of, and he told me a few things about it.
5.Always leave on time (except when we would get pulled over to picking up a late passenger at a red light)
6.Always arrive early (even when we departed 50 minutes late due to pulled over)
7.Drivers know the route by heart, they drive back and forth on the exact same route twice a day. So they know where all the nooks and crannies(potholes and such) are.
8.Comfortable seats
9.CLEAN buses
10.Trash bags attached to every other aisle armrest (feel free to eat!)
11.Drivers are incredibly nice, lets everyone board without checking tickets, and then collects tickets during our rest break.
12.Empty buses in the AM, i get 4 whole aisles all to myself. (PM buses are rather full)
13.SKILLFUL driving, 80 mph weaving past traffic and shooting past traffic. It's so fun watching us shoot by Greyhound and Peter Pan buses ;-)
14. FREE BOTTLED WATER!
And so much more I can't remember...
Bad Experiences:
1. Drivers have limited english
2. Some buses were second handed
3. The "Bus Terminal" is a foldaway table on a sidewalk
4. Seats on the secondhanded Prevost were awful (ex-Pacific Western)
5. Bad relations with cops
6. Behind the scene buswar
1-to Bay Ridge-Shore Road.
2 of them to 13th Avenue-86th Street.
2 of them to 25th Avenue-86th Street.
1 to Ocean Parkway.
You can basically see these 5 heading to Kingsborough out of service on a normal school day.
B1-#4869-TMCRTS
B64-#4857-TMCRTS
There are many more than 6 buses leaving Kingsborough around the same time in the 3:00 area. The "line" trips are the ONLY ones that go to Shore Road. The "spotted" trips (the ones that are there specifically to serve the school break) go to 25th Avenue or 13th Avenue. None are scheduled to turn at Ocean Parkway, though two buses are scheduled to deadhead from 25th Avenue to Lincoln HS for "spotted" trips there at 3:50, and the Dispatcher at Kingsborough might tell one or both to put up an Ocean Parkway sign and deadhead from there to ensure that those Lincoln trips are made (it's a major dismissal).
David
David
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
The website for COLTS is here.