BIG AL
If anything, I wish all of you B/O's a very big THANK YOU. Like Brooklyn67, Thurston..and all of the rest. I salute you!! ^_^
LOL!
But guys like Big Al, Thurston and myself... we'll never hit the big one.. we're just doomed to civil service and all the fame and glory that comes from it :-)
8.9 Million take home, eh? I'd have to drive a bus for 164 years just to make the gross. Kinda puts things in perspective huh..
{{sigh}} ..affixes badge... shuts off PC.. off to work..
I started giving them away to friends.. I only wear one. The first one I received working out of Manhattanville which is permanently glued to my badge holder. The rest are in a box.
Unlike those who hand out "business cards" with their already printed Name/Badge/DOB Phone Number, I never offer myself a commendation and usually refute anyone who is willing to call on my behalf. But the offer is appreciated nonetheless.
Think of it as "job security".
BIG AL
P.S. that marriage joke is old and played out now.
I don't even read his posts anymore.
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BIG AL
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Perhaps a good way to put them to use would be to run them as-is or rehab them and start a TA for a small or rural section that does not have (and sorely needs) a transit system. Now THAT would be a great way of giving back to society. And hey...if I have at least one to keep for myself, I'm happy. :)
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BIG AL
Does it pay to transfer one bus at a time. Will it be better to transfer several at once so the drivers can return all at once by bus or patrol car.
Does it ready pay to transfer buses 1 at a time. How does the driver return to his depot.
Please advise
Thank You
BIG AL
Thanks.
-AcelaExpress2005 - R143 #8265
Peace,
ANDEE
Wayne
My Uncle has some old bus pics (but won't let me use them - personal collection) of Flxible New Looks in Queens. He's got bus Flxible New Look #7548 on what looks like the Q17? He's got one of GMC RTS-04 #3605 on the Q5AB on Hillside Av and 168th Pl (layover before picking up passengers). If I can get them, I'll post them on here...PROMISE! However, don't hold your breathe though...LOL! Ah, the memories!
Those Flxibles are '75 53102-6-1. I don't remember 7548 being in Queens, but I certainly can't dispute it. I do remember seeing 7611 on the Q17 when it was new. Also - I remember well when JAM high 3500 and 3600 series '84 RTS were new. Back in those days there were some great buses roaming the streets.
Wayne
5000 Series TDH-5303AC Originally TA 8001-8202 OA 8301-8780
51/5200 T6H-5305A Originally TA 4300-4499, 8800-8929
53/54/5500 T6H-5309A/10A Originally TA 6000-6349, 6901-695X, OA 4500-4505, 4800-4919.
Wayne
I made an inquiry and was told:
Value MetroCard "private bus" to subway, your MC will get hit for another 50 cents.
Bus to bus transfers are free: This includes "private" to TA:
- MC peek or off-peek
- Cash peek or off-peek, i.e. the "blue" transfer.
Disclaimer: I'm NOT the spokesperson of my employeer, the MTA, TA, or nycDOT ... just speaking for myself.
The Hudson Pier Depot
Guided Tour
Friday June 20, 1:30 PM
Members $15, Non-Members $20
RESERVATIONS AND ADVANCE PAYMENT REQUIRED.
This 325 thousand plus square foot bus facility was built in 1952 as Pier 57 - a shipping pier -by the New York City Department of Marine Avaition. New York City Transit took over the building in 1971. The facility is now base to 10 local bus routes and 165 buses. We'll visit the shop floors where the fleet is maintained and serviced.
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The number to call for reservations or questions is : 718-694-5139 Tuesday - Friday 10 AM to 4 PM.
I remember these schedules from the 1970s and I lost them until a friend of mine gave them to me for my collection. I was so excited because these bring back some good memeories. For example, the Q17A (which is now the Q30) was okay Little Neck Bound but as the bus goes back southbound it does the following:
right on 64th Av
left on 175th St (Ryan JHS 216)
right on 67th Av
left on Fresh Meadows Lane and regular on Utopia Pkwy.
Man, we could use a bus on Fresh Meadows Lane...LOL! Ah, the memories!
I also have the Q1, Q3, Q4, Q4A, Q5, Q5A, Q5AB, Q5S (Rosedale Shuttle), Q5LS (Laurelton Shuttle via 225th St), and more! I do not have the Q2.
By the way, I got a few emails from folks looking for those Insiders Guides. Try the TA first, please. They will send them free of charge. They cost me money to send... I'll sned them to you if necsssary, but try calling customer service first.
Thanks.
Thank You
I'm sure Barry, David and the rest of those in "the know", as well as all operators here understand my post.
I was under the impression that the TA was waiting to take over the private lines and then merge the OA and TA lists
Thank You
I know that all of the 1996-1998 New Flyer D60HF Buses have been repainted (#1000 being a 1996 model and the rest are from 1997-1998). My question is this....are the 1999-2000 buses repainted yet? I know bus #5250 is andI also know that the NEW 2003 New Flyer D60HF buses are repainted because there numbers (in the back of the bus)are the same size as the repainted numbers on the 1996-1998 buses. For example, bus #1009 (back) is the same size as bus #5524 (back). So can someone let me know? Remember, I'm just keeping track...that's all. Thanks again in advance!
Man I never thought an Ex-Greenville bus could be soooo GOOD.
Tony M.
NJT Bus Operator
Meadowlands Garage
*Additional note for previous post. I saw the GMN New Look I mentioned before. I got a better look at it since i was actualy looking out for it this time. It looked like the windows have been sealed up a little bit. It reminded me of that Work bus for the Baltimore MTA, with some of the windows sealed up. Is this bus possibly the work bus that SEPTA used to keep at the Victory depot a very long time ago? It has an attractive new scheme if it is.
B1-#7521-Reman RTs
B64-#9301-NOVABUS
--AcelaExpress2005 - R143 #8265
B44 Limited - #8325
B65 Local - #4648
RTS 4621 B41 LTD
NF 826 B8
1)The bus rodeo winner showing off their skills
2)Benefits of CNG buses and low floor buses with one of each on display
3)Various models WMATA and or Baltimore MTA have
4)Vintage buses that WMATA, Baltimore and busfans have saved
5)How certain parts of the bus work (destination signs, lights, and other stuff)
6)Demonstators any of the transit companies are testing or just representative bus models from various bus manufacturers.
7)Possible other cities transit buses.
Anyone interested should write WMATA, I know I will when I send some suggestions their way.
Even though the NYC bus fest is not sponsored by NYCTA directly(correct me NYC busfans if I am wrong), this would be one way to gain ridership and it is something not only WMATA and Baltimore could do, it is something other TAs could do also.
Tell me what yall think about this idea.
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TOO BAD IT WAS CANCELLED THIS YEAR!
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I tried to catch the 2:00 bus this afternoon. I didn't see a bus stop at Tillary and Adams, but there was building construction in the vicinity, so I walked a block to Cadman Plaza East and, lo and behold, I found a bus stop signed for the B103 to Canarsie.
I got there at 1:50. I gave up at 2:15. Obviously I was waiting in the wrong place. Where does the bus actually stop? I asked a few NYCT B/O's but all they knew was what was on the sign.
Especially for routes on hour headways, it would be nice if the DOT were more careful with its signage.
Thanks for the info.
Why green, BTW? The map identifies it as a limited, and AFAIK my Fun Pass would have been accepted.
I'm having trouble connecting to commandbus.com, but I'd like to request that the webmaster update the schedules to accurately identifying the starting point and ask the DOT to take down the sign at CPE.
To start off I got 9772 on the A12 and took it to Addison Road, could have waited for the F14 to Capitol heights, but didn't. I got to Addison Road and had to wait for about 20 minutes for the F14 to Capitol Heights to come, but saw alot of The Buses vehicles most crap with the only redeemable ones being the SLFs and the Gillig Phantom.
One Chumpion had no markings on the right side after the door and I would say something about that, but I am going to leave that alone. Anyways, one of the new SLFs couldn't be programmed for the route 26, so it just said "SPECIAL" and had 26 written on a paper in the windshield. If anyone can progam a destination sign, THE BUS may need you. Also enroute to Addison Road I spotted 2051 with a non-working destination sign.
I got the F14 to Capitol Heights via Orion VI 2031. I saw 8875 deadheading to the Annex and 4250 leaving the Annex perhaps going to Deanwood to do a V8 or W4 run. After a while got Orion V 4296 on the 96 and took it to Union Station. The inside of this bus looked horrible, there was alot of graffiti, not a whole ton, but was noticeable, on the door and on some of the seats. At around the Benning Road station a group of three got on the bus and one person decided to go back up to the driver and try to I think get a transfer, which the driver denied. I not sure the real reason, but I think that guy had an expired flash pass and he and the driver got into it, with when all three leaving the bus, saying one after the other as they left the bus "HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO A BROTHER", with the driver saying as they passed by the open front door of the bus "YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO USE BROTHER THING WHEN YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT" or something along those lines.
Anyway I got to Union Station saw an umpha lumpha band, two trashy Orion IIs and some C40LFs, which one I caught that being 2404 on the D6 towards Farragut Square. After that I caught 2008 on the 38B towards Rosslyn, oh btw, saw 2396 doing charter service near Union station, near the Capitol signing "EB SPECIAL". At Rosslyn got Flxible B 35', on the 3B going towards East Falls Church. I wanted to ride ART to see what it was about, NOT IMPRESSED, they are sort of like a better version of THE BUS, only running on CNG, but same old crap. I got 7104, I think a Diamond T CAB(Crappy Ass Bus) on the 52 going towards Ballston. The bus I rode shook, and was bumpy and a bit of a rough ride. This bus looked like it had shag carpeting on the roof and in the front, odd for a bus, with the ground not being one of them. It did have decent ridership though with about eight people for the whole trip.
IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY GOT THEM
I got to Ballston and the first sighting was seeing 8821 parked outside of the Ballston Station. I also saw an ART minibus with bike rack that being 5213. In the distance I also saw what may be a startrans vanbus around the Arlington garage. Saw 3912 dead heading back to Arlington and some buses coming from Arlington to start routes at Ballston. And then came 4380(Royal), with I thought was a bike rack and when 2106 came up with one I then realized that it has finally happened, Royal is getting their bike racks. I think practically all of them have gotten them, when I go to work over the next couple of days, I be sure. I ate lunch, took a couple of pics of some buses, and then got Orion VI 2001 on the 38B, going towards Rosslyn. At Rosslyn saw a couple of Four Mile Run buses on some Arlington routes, being 9749 on the 4A and 4225 on the 15K. A 5A towards Dullus came up and about 15 people got on the bus, looks like this route is doing well. I got another 5A going towards L'Enfant Plaza, which happened to be 2019 another Orion VI.
As I got to L'Enfant Plaza, passed by a couple of PRTC RTSs, which I later got pics of as they passed by on 7th Street. I got Neoplan 5301 on the 70 going towards Silver Spring. Enroute another passenger got antsy with a bus driver, he had an expired transfer and he got into it with the bus driver,calling her names as he exited the bus(and we wonder why sometimes, bus drivers get attitudes sometimes).
As I got to Silver Spring, I saw a U of MD 40 Flxible, so I got of the bus early and tried to get a pic of it and I did, don't know how good it came out. Also got a pic of a 40 foot Orion V with the Conrad Johnson banner on it. Also passed 5305 with a bike rack. I got 9629(repowered) on the J4 going towards College Park. Overall the bus was quick with good acceleration, but slow going up hills though. The engine had a smooth ride and quieter than the 2001-02 Ride On Orion Vs with the same engine/tranny combo. I got to College Park and after a while saw an odd bus coming on the R12, which happened to be 8963, couldn't to get a block number to see if it had been transferred from Northern to Landover or just a loaner. About a couple of minutes later up came 2031 again on the F6 which was the one I needed to take to New Carrolton. When I got to New Carrolton and saw nothing but Orion VIs there, including mine. 2027, 45 and 93 were on layover and 2041 was about to go on an R12 run. I went to the other side to catch the F14 and saw a B31 to the Bowie Park and Ride, which is odd, in that WMATA never mentioned anything about a new bus route, it couldn't have been a B22 (one arrived about 10 minutes later), might have been a C28(usually that route is crowded to the hilt, but had about less than half of what that route usually carries), but not likely and the B29 only uses the 9830s, so this is a mystery. Anyway got 9426 home and that ended my trip.
Wayne
I was on Metro B 9397 this AM on the 1C. When it pulled up to my stop by my apt., it had a bike on it. The person took the bike off at Seven Corners. As we were heading there, the horn on the bus just went off randomly. The first time, it just kind of beeped, the second time, it started blaring and the driver looked like he was about to rip the steering wheel out of the column, he was slamming the wheel. I was trying not to laugh. That happened to me once at Shuttle UM. I was leaving the Student Union and this car was blocking the way, so I blew my horn and it got stuck. The only way to get it to stop was to unhook it.
We all know that the Neoplan AN-460 are fast, but a few days ago I was driving N/B on Georgia around 6 AM... I was a stop light next to 5308 and when the light changed I took off sort of quickly and after about 3 blocks I noticed the bouncing action of 5308 in my rear-view mirror right behind me at about 50 MPH. Yes - I know I was speeding, but at that time of the morning it's hard not to speed.
It's so funny how I still get excited about transit buses that are fast. See what happens when you grow up riding NYCTA/MABSTOA buses. They were great buses, but they were slow as heck and today's NYCTA buses are still pretty slow except a lucky few that seem to escape without getting governors set at ridiculously low speeds.
Wayne
Wayne
Yeah, both the horn problem on the bus today and my own personal experience made for good laughs. I think the thing about today that took me by suprise is how calm the driver was the whole way until that happened and the horn starts blaring and he's fighting with the wheel trying to stop it. If that thing couldn't get fixed, I would have had to exit because of the noise, and the inability to contain myself!
Glad you had fun drag racing the artic!
Wayne
If you really want one of the 8500's in FP, your almost guaranteed to get one if go to Myrltle/Wyckoff Avs. below the elevated tracks.
B13- RTS #8561
Q55- RTS #9587
BIG AL
Regards,
Mark Valera
www.transitalk.org
Later on it started to rain, and had my hood over my head. I watched some buses on Palmetto St.. I saw 8527 on the B52, and 8526 on the Q58. And of course, I always manage to see at least one sad sight when I'm there. I saw the 3997, I believe it was not in service. After smoking a cig., I took 9587 home. Other buses I saw on the Q55 were 4702, 8013, 9583, 9588, and 5065.
B13- RTS #8561
Q55- RTS #9587
--AcelaExpress2005 - R143 #8265
To answer your question, I saw 8520 at Forest Av./Putnam St. around 6:30 P.M.
My mind was completely made up when Flx Metro B 9276 came around the corner signed for the 2C. I had just seen that bus in the Arlington garage about an hour and a half before with a few other buses that hadn't been taken out for the PM rush. That was a nice ride, even though the transmission was very jerky and the bus itself was rather slow. Some little kid in front of me had some gum or something, and went to throw it under his seat and it landed on top of my shoe. I was like #%!%!#%!%, but it didn't stick. I got it off, then I kneed the back of his seat really hard to shake him up! LOL. I was a little ornary this afternoon after a long week at the office!!!
Did my shopping and got Orion V 4235 on the 23A back home. Now, I'm beat.
BIG AL
5/02/03
5233 had a loud muffler
4337 and John Deere engine 2464 doing charter at Federal Triangle and 4396 doing charter service at near the Bureau of Engraving, across the street from the Holocoust Museum.
2105 has a bike rack
3911 was in training, seeming to simulate a 25B run, at Landmark Mall, I think this bus is an Arlington bus, saw 3912 heading to Arlington yesterday.
B-12 route change effective May 18th,2003
Ocean Avenue bound buses will operate on Empire Blvd,then left on Albany Ave and then current route.
Since i read all the monthly MTA TA Committee reports when was this change submitted for approval?
There was nothing published about this?
THE MTA LIES AGAIN !!!!!!
Thank You
Also, even if this IS permanent, I'd hardly call this a "lie" on MTA's part...nobody said ANYTHING about it.
David
The change was indicated as a permanent change. Nothing on the poster indicated it was temporary
It seems ironic that nothing was published in the monthly TA Committee of the MTA board which is of public record.
How come nothing was submitted for approval. I have seen other similar changes posted and submitted to the Board.
By making this change it seems that the MTA doesn't give a damm about the residents of a senior citizen project who live on East New York Ave between Troy and Albany who now must walk to the corner. You are talking about eldery residents who before just had to walk across the street because the Westbound B-12 actually stopped in the middle of the block for them
LIEING Yes when you do things such as this that deceives the public.
I happen to know the State Controller and if he says that the MTA maintains two sets of books he means it.
The crediability of the MTA is disgusting. This action just shows the contempt to the riding public.
Thank You
PS-This opinion of the MTA does not reflect the hundreds and thousands of workers who give a damm. The opinion is about the MTA Chairman,Executive Director,Board members.TA President who do not give a damm!
A-The turn onto Scehnectady Av
B-Drivers normally miss 2 lights usually trying to go through the intersection of Troy & ENY due to traffic and 12's turning onto Troy heading e/b.
C-It eliminates 2 turns to reach Albany Av
Now routewise it makes sense BUT I don't think people will be happy with that. BTW, the stop that is in front of the senior center is heading e/b.
As I previously said, routing changes usually take place at the time a Pick takes effect. That last happened in Brooklyn on April 13 and won't happen again until the end of June. That makes the timing of the change rather strange, to my mind. That said, this change seems rather small and probably wouldn't result in new schedules being written. However, my guess is that either the change is construction-related or it is based on a traffic pattern change that NYCDOT made with little warning (certainly not enough to get the information to the Board). I'll attempt to find out tomorrow, and if I do I'll post whatever I find out here.
David
I have known that the TA does make route changes in a middle of a pick. As long as the schedule does not change you do not have to wait for a pick. Some examples
1-B-41 rerouted at E.71st St/Veterans Ave effective April 20th
2-Recent Bx-8 route change in the Bronx
3-East bound B-82 buses rerouted from Rockaway Pkway,Flatlands Ave to Glenwood Rd,E. 103rd Street
4-Back in 1972 both the B-6 and B-83 rerouted from Vermont Street to Pennsylvina Ave
Thank You
B12#4949
The new bus stops are up on: Schenectady Av/Empire and Troy Av/Empire. The old bus stops on Lefferts/Schenectady Avs and Troy/ENY Avs have been taken down and replaced with parking signs. However, the B12 buses are continuing their normal routing. I believe according to the original post, the change is supposed to take place on 5-18-03 which is a week and a half from now.
B12#8703
The ID # was 7563. I got my first look at the interior in regular service. Here goes:
1) Extremely similar to New Flyer C40LF, except the driver's front window is tilted in as on most if not all Orions, and. . .
2) Bus I guess is wide like an Orion; so the back has the four seats with that little engine piece in the middle.
3) Because the back wall is cushioned, the "Please no littering. . ." sign that is usually in the back above the back-center seat was taped on the right side window in the back. A similar sign "Notice" with the symbols of No eating, drinking or smoking was on the left side.
4) Still playing with the exterior back route sign. First it's in the bottom right corner, then the bottom middle, now the upper right hand corner like the MCIs.
5) The vents were at the top of the windows instead of above the lights as on New Flyers 857-989.
6) No sign of a Passenger Information System with automated announcements. I was expecting that, or at least if it wasn't working to see the screen there that would be used. Instead just the "Stop Request" sign where it hangs on New Flyer C40s. The font used was a little more interesting for this sign. It is in red, as on other Orions, except it was written across instead of the "Stop" being above the "Requested."
7) When someone rings the bell, instead of the bell ringing and the Stop Request sign lighting simultaneously, there is a momentary pause after the sign lights before you actually hear the bell (at least on this bus.) Strange.
8) An annoying beep can be heard when the front door is fully closed and the driver has hit the lock on the back door but people are still getting out of the back door. The beep lasts until the back door is fully closed. Kind of like an elevator door that has been forced to stay open for too long.
9) I remember hearing that the two pairs of seats in the back facing each other would be turned to face forward. Instead there were three seats on each side facing each other. The extra room I guess comes from the fact that the back door is smaller than that on the NFI C40 as on other Orions.
That's all for now.
--AcelaExpress2005 - R143 #8265
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
Bx24- White Plains Road(from Birchall Avenue/Bronx Park East/Sagamore Street), Boston Road (from White Plains Road), Boston Post Road(route will pass 2 streets named Pelham Parkway, on in the Bronx, the other in Pelham, few blocks from Bx16 terminal)
(if Mt Vernon NIMBYS can be convinced, if not just introduce LIMITED Bx39 service instead)
Bx37(private bus company non MTA) rush hours only - White Plains Road/West 1st Street LIMITED. From White Plains Road/Bronx River Avenue, Clasons Point to W 1st Gramatan Avenue Mt Vernon
making LIMITED stops between Randall Avenue and E 177 Street and between E 177 Street and E 241 Street
Bx9- Extension to Getty Square Yonkers weekdays only (alternating buses until 5:00, then all to Yonkers until 8:00)
And yes, it was a street fair on 63rd Drive that caused all of this confusion.
In regards to the Nova LFS... I think the fact that its plagued with design flaws, and poor quality control from the factory certainly rank it up there with worst bus ever made. If NovaBUS could actually work out some of its design flaws, and hire a Quality Control team that does thier job properly, they might actually produce a semi-decent bus. Prevost really needs to step in, and smack 'em around.
-Tyler-
You still gotta admit... 15 years in a an environment like NYC... not too shabby... My question is, why were they retired? Was it maintenance issues, or was it that low-floor buses, (or at least buses easier ADA accessibility) were taking thier place?
-Tyler-
#3 West End Jeff
1)The 1973 Flxible 111cd-051 - They were the WORST buses made for SEPTA.
2)The 1979 RTS made for WMATA - How they lasted 20 years, its anyone`s guess. They were in the shop more times than any other model.
3)1983 Neoplan AN440 made for WMATA - can you say spontaneous combustion buses. Also they were the crappiest looking buses in WMATA`s fleet.
4)Any bus Ride-On used before the TMC Citycruisers. School buses and mini-buses didn`t cut it.
5)NJT Eagles. Diesel fume specials! Ugliest buses ever! Who designed the seating on these buses?
We got a few of those Eagle 20's down here... Central Florida Transit, and Fleetwood Limousine/Bethany bought a bunch. Didn't last very long.
-Tyler-
Actually, these buses were about 21 before a major dent was put in the fleet. I believe even a few lasted until they were 22 or 23. Anyway, the engines probably sucked ass, but the buses were in service so long because they were durable. Something that can't be said for other manufactuers.
Wayne
Peace!
DaShawn
At SEPTA, the '73 Flxibles were a bunch of rattling, brakeless death traps. Virtually everything that could go wrong with these buses did go wrong, and combined with the non-existant maintenance SEPTA's CTD performed on these buses in the 70`s (the Red Arrow buses were better maintained), its no wonder that these buses were rushed to the scrap heap when the first group of Neoplans arrived. I was in an accident on one of them in the 70's. The bus slid on Victory Ave and hit a telephone pole. Also everytime these buses hit a bump or a pothole, everything either rattled or sometimes shook loose. The '74/75 Flxibles were a little better built, but after the experience with both groups of buses, SEPTA vowed NEVER to buy another Flxible again.
The main thing is they just need to replace Southern and do it quickly. Just of note, the Gilligs were also stored at Southern, and they have been retired for about 3 years now.
While others (in this list) are out of production as well as buses (not in this list) that most bus fans like the most, Gillig Phantom is the oldest Standard Floor bus still in production besides the two new models...Nova LFS and Orion VII that are listed above.
Now, does this implies something other than operator's point of view?...like industry trend, transit operations, budget...etc..you name it....:)
How about unclosed engine doors and bugs from LACMTA RTS, retirement of LACMTA Flxible 25XX-29XX at the age of 12, rebuilding of NJ Transit Flxible Metro B's, frame corrosion on pre 1995 D40LFs that many CDN transits own, New Flyer D40I (currently not in massive productions), SEPTA and LACMTA's withdrawl with Neoplan, OCTA's mechnical issues with NABI 40LFW LNG.....
Please be advice that those are facts, not my opinions of who is worst, nor I found any that is best.....
Respecting the Past - Celebrating the Present - Embracing the Future
I have also learnt that TTC proposed an 18-year requirement, which Orion garanteed when submitting bids. In a way, that is good because bus makers will make their buses to last longer, improve the overall quality and reduce downtime. On the other side, new buses will not arrive every 12 years, but 18 years. Is that a good indication? Sorry, I have no idea. For one who like that model, 18 years are sure best for one to enjoy. For one who doesn't like that model, 12 years are even long to wait......
And thank you for naming from Greater NY area, not to extending to everyone on this continent...:)
Respecting the Past - Celebrating the Present - Embracing the Future
If it is well-known, does that imply RTS hasn't been improving when TMC was making them?....I don't know if that applies to Nova RTS though....maybe someone can correct me on this...:P
Does anyone know the current condition of Boston's RTS?....
We're on TWO totally opposite spectrums here. On one end, you have a proven champion of reliability, the RTS with a 25 year history (3 of those a bit rocky).
Then you have Gillig. A bus that never really made a name for itself. A shoebox on wheels. An Orion wannabe. That says alot for something that was made before the famous Orion V. The only thing Gilligs are really famous for are being used in backwater towns on two route, 30 passenger lines and being the laughing stocks or scorn of bus fans and drivers alike.
And if you're going to pick something about the RTS to dislike, you're going to have to do ALOT better than engine doors.
As for same criteria...the one that I could think of is for a TA to buy buses from different manufacturers in the same year, same engine, same transmission, same drivers (hopefully no laid offs), similar routes, similar passengers, and similar transportation needs. Unfortunately, most TAs couldn't afford a multiple fleet. As a little note, in HK, KMB, the largest bus company in the city that owns around 4200 double decker buses compared to NYCMTA's 4600 buses, KMB purchased buses from Dennis (Now Transbus), Volvo, MAN, Neoplan within the last three years. They mostly put those Dennis on hilly routes while the other three on highway express and local routes to meet different needs from the passengers.
And Thanks again for reading my lengthy and poorly written story...:P
The Nova LFS has enough disadvantages on its own... it doesn't need a bad road to make it break down! :)
-Tyler-
Recently, the San Mateo Bridge has expanded from 4 lanes 2X2 with no shoulders to 6 lanes with shoulders and AC Transit introduced a new Line M to travel on that bridge. The highway itself is not that bad. People would refer the street outside the Hayward Plant as bad since there are constantly 18 wheelers on that 2 lane, 1X1, Clawitter Road without pedestrain path. That is an industrial area and Berkeley Farm's Factory is just right next to Gillig. There are also RR crossings on that road too with one abandoned just outside the gate of Gillig. By just comparing Orion in Mississauga and Gillig in Hayward, it is totally different. Mississauga is a quiet, rich suburban neighborhood with fewer cars and trucks.
Anyway, if Gilligs were made to fall apart within a few blocks, they wouldn't even made it to the door of AC Transit's Hayward Yard back in the 80s/90s...not to even mentioning about seeing them in the coast side of Atlantic Ocean.
If Gillig does fall apart 2 blocks from the plant, they sure ran out of business earlier in the 80s, not to mention about them being capable to show up on their own power in Rochester, Buffalo, Suffolk, New Orleans, many cities in Florida and perhaps Washington DC...Whereas now, it is still making buses that you think are crap...
If you want me to do A LOT better than engine doors....here are some that you facts might have to consider....These are questions I have without answers...
1. Why is RTS now out of production? What made Nova to make such a decision even with the massive orders from NYCMTA, NJ Transit, and Dallas Dart?
2. Why was the design sold from GM to TMC then to Nova if RTS is a Gold egg maker...
3. Why didn't SEPTA, Maryland MTA, WMATA, PAT, SF Muni, and MARTA have a major fleet of RTS like NY and NJ Transit?
4. Why didn't small-medium TAs buy them even RTS is proven hard and solid in large TAs? They could buy RTS and have them for 20 years in service so not to worry about replacement....
5. One would be reminded that transit agencies are not money making corporations....If a bus could be as cheap like Gillig (Note: Gillig is not cheap in every single order that it has), RTS can be the same too...Let me put it this way...if I'm making the RTS....I would sell the RTS to large TAs at a higher price tag with more options to choose and sell it as cheap as Gillig to small-medium TAs...Then Gillig or even Neoplan, New Flyer, Ikarus(NABI) should die forever and I will have their entire market knocking on my door to buy RTS. In reality....Gillig still survives in today's bus market.
6. Small and medium TAs do have crowded routes. Given that these TAs don't have many buses to play around, the chances and times of a Gillig to be operating from early in the morning to late night are no lesser than a typical bus in big cities.
7. Hm....if you don't mind to see a crowded Phantom, I would encourage you to go to the Bay Area, Minneapolis, Seattle, and Honolulu...Though I would doubt you will do so since you hate them so much >_<", I will still take this opportunity to present you a video from Honolulu. This is how a crowded Gillig Phantom #849 is serving its passengers at NIGHT~
http://gp.no-ip.com/849.mpg
And at last, I do respect your favorite bus and I agree to the fact that RTS is doing good in many major TAs. In my entire history of posts in nysubway.org, I have never denied that statement - RTS is a workhorse, nor have I said them suck, piece of shit, or crap.
PS. Here is the new data that I found from APTA statistics of 75 Largest bus systems (Ranked by Passenger Miles Traveled):
http://www.apta.com/research/stats/bus/75largest.cfm
There are at least 2 out of the largest 10 TAs who is now currently using Gillig Phantom....:)
Perhaps I don't know the full situation of the Baltimore MTA... but judging by what I read... I just don't get it...
They don't like the slim aisles... well, order a 102" wide bus instead of a 96" bus... If they were 102", order smaller seats. We have both 96" and 102", and while the aisle in the 96" bus is about only a foot wide, as small as they claim, the 102" bus is much, much wider, providing almost 18" of aisle space.
As for the windows... well... instead of ordering sealed windows, order openable windows. It's noted on the website that the MTA was slow to remedy the problem... didn't do anything until 4-5 years later.
By the way, we here at Disney have some 1979 & 1980 03's, and they seem to be fine buses to me. (The slopeback has been upgraded with a standard 04 cap) I drove one the other night, 2749 (Former Detroit Dept of Transportation/SEMTA #1518L), and it drove beautifully.
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The fact is that orders for the RTS were dwindling. Your typical RTS was a standard floor bus, with a rear wheelchair lift. Not a very popular configuration these days, with most TA's wanting low floors with front ramps to better meet ADA regulations. Although the RTS did have the front door lift option, it was expensive, and not really that great. Another guess of mine is that just like the Quality Control problems Nova has with the LFS, they started having with the RTS.
>2. Why was the design sold from GM to TMC then to Nova if RTS is a
>Gold egg maker...
This had more to do with business politics than the bus itself. GM wanted to get out of the bus business. Had nothing to do with the RTS or the Classic itself. Bought by TMC/MCI, and the RTS was moved from Pontiac Michigan to the TMC plant in Roswell, NM. If I recall the story correctly (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) TMC's parent corporation didn't want the RTS, and wanted to be an all motorcoach company... and therefore the RTS went up for sale again.
>3. Why didn't SEPTA, Maryland MTA, WMATA, PAT, SF Muni, and MARTA
>have a major fleet of RTS like NY and NJ Transit?
It's all about Lowest Bidder. The RTS wasn't always the lowest bidder... in fact, it was quite expensive. Besides, just because the RTS was a great bus, doesn't mean that it's for everyone.
>4. Why didn't small-medium TAs buy them even RTS is proven hard and
>solid in large TAs? They could buy RTS and have them for 20 years in
>service so not to worry about replacement....
The RTS was usually more expensive than some other bus models. When Disney was looking for a new bus, the LFS was about $100,000 cheaper than the RTS, which is ultimatly why we got them. (And in the end, we've sunk at least half that much into each bus getting it to run)
>5. One would be reminded that transit agencies are not money making
>corporations....If a bus could be as cheap like Gillig, RTS can be
>the same too...
I wouldn't say that... perhaps the RTS used more expensive, higher quality parts, thus making it have a higher price tag. It's like comparing a Hyundai to a Honda. The Hyundai may have a decent build quality and a low price, but the more expensive Honda will ultimatly be the higher quality vehicle, and get more sales.
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A good call on your part.
We have to remember a couple things with SEPTA: One, their entire Neoplan fleet (expect the artics) came from an eight year long string of purchases. When they stopped buying after the 1989 deliveries, it wasn't because they weren't happy with Neoplan, but it was simply because they didn't need any more buses. They didn't immediately switch to another supplier; in fact they went seven years before buying another bus! When it came time to replace the RTSs, Neoplan was no longer the "go to", so SEPTA went and put out a RFP just like any TA does for any order. It just happened that another company won the contract.
Two, the newest 40-foot Neoplan in the fleet is two years past due for retirement. If SEPTA really hated their Neoplans, they could have all been long gone by now. Rather, they are reliable and practical workhorses that have held their own with New York's RTSs and Washington's Flxibles.
LA has had a few distinct batches of Neoplans. The 3300-series "Olympic" Neoplans were delivered in 1984. A majority of them lasted 16-17 years, and while they didn't look so great cosmetically toward the end, they provided reliable service in a pretty tough environment. MTA's maintenance is so-so.
The newer Neoplans (seperate orders in 1995-97, 1998, 1999) have their critics, but they too have proven themselves. In fact, MTA wanted more of them, but they stopped buying them because they could not get enough at once. It had something to do with the Bus Riders Union Consent Decree, and Neoplan could not build as many buses as they wanted at one time so they had to go elsewhere. MTA took three separate orders in 1999: 6700-series Neoplans, 5000-series New Flyer C40s, the very first of the 7000-series NABIs.
So alas, Neoplans do seem to have problems "breaking in," but once they do, they almost always come to provide reliable service. And they seem to last long, too.
In fact, I was using this point, which is SEPTA and LACMTA's withdrawl of Neoplan, because I would like it to illustrate that no one meets every single customer's need, that's why every product has competitions even Microsoft leads the software industry. However, I haven't used SEPTA and LACMTA's withdrawl to say they are not good buses in SEPTA and LACMTA in my earlier post. That is why I was avoiding to use adjectives in all my posts because everyone's definition of good, bad, crap..etc is different.....
As for SEPTA, they didn't right away left Neoplan and went ahead for Low Floors. Instead there is a bunch of NABI 416 that came in 1996-97....did Neoplan submit bids in that order too?...Who else placed bids for that order?...
Actually, all but 2 of MTA's 2900s are still running, though they probably don't have much time left as they are 11 years old.
Second place for Pittsburgh in the worst bus catagory were the 1980 RTS buses we had here. Nothing but problems with them for years. They were so bad at first that they caused the delay of retirement of many older buses which were way beyond their useful life and held together with duct tape and prayers. The RTS's here had cracked engine cradles, cracked bulkheads, electrical problems, rusting of the so called stainless steel framework, frequently ran out of fuel halfway during their runs, had constant A/C failures which turned the RTS into a mobile sauna bath in the summer and more squeaks and rattles than you can imagine (and made the AMG window rattling seem quiet in comparison).
The RTS buses: what model and design: slant or square?
PAT's were slope backed 03's (T8H-203 & T7H203 with an 8V-71N) that were later converted to squareback. The A/C reliability improved a little after the conversion but still frequently failed more so than on other coaches from 78 on.
Cleveland also had 1979 T8H-203's that remained as a slope back. Those were even worse than the 1980's PAT had. Delivered in 1979, by 1981 many of the Cleveland RTS's were ready for the scrap heap with missing body panels, kneelers permanently stuck in the down position, cracked engine cradles, cracked bulkheads (which in some cases bulged the body out and blew off the body panels and pushed out and cracked the windows), total lack of A/C, interior ceiling panels missing or in the process of falling out during service, electrical problems (with some associated electrical fires), doors that constantly jammed. Many were rehabbed once the GCRTA figured out that you actually have to do maintenance on buses for them to stay reliable so in the mid to late 80's, many of the out of service 79's were rehabbed and put back in service. Some were out of service for quite awhile before being placed back in but many were also scrapped as soon as the legal time limit allowed them to be due to excessive warping of the structure due to bulkhead failures.
Those RTS's in Cleveland were the quickest deterioration of a bus I had ever witnessed but mostly due to absolutely no maintenance being done on them besides refueling and the occaisional tire change. The bulkhead and engine cradle issues though were strictly from poor designing and shouldn't have been kept in service in that condition by the GCRTA. All keeping them in service like that accomplished was quickening the demise of the series.
And before the retort from the various RTS fans out there, I don't hate the RTS. The 04 model on up were a decent coach and could stand up to much more abuse but those 03's were nothing but problems for systems that didn't have the time or money to constantly baby them on an almost daily basis. Far beyond teething problems when you consider engine cradles and bulkheads into the picture.
In my opinions, the current RTS that RTA is using is in pretty good shape.
Here are some of my shots I had from Cleveland...
Gillig Phantom
PS. To RDChilds, do you have a production list of Nova RTS?
Thanks in advance.
Where were you when I was trying to tell the board that the Flxible New Looks had a number of rusting problems? No one wanted to believe this, but here it is right here.
And to any smart alecs, yes, I am glossing over the fact that he made reference to a model of the RTS bus.
As for me, I'd think the 1983 RTS's were the worst.
When a bus is slow, particularly a heavy beast such as the RTS, other minor things are noticed as well. The odd noises a bus may make, how it looks, what panels may be loose today, etc. etc. I did it too. Usually, I considered the slowest buses, the most rugged looking of the fleet. The slow RTS seemed to always have the gray steel rims, a panel flapping in the wind, torn seats, roaring like a lion yet going nowhere, rattling away. Yet, there were the speed demons which were even worse. But hey, nothing is worse than a bus that can't get out of it's own way. And face it, the RTS was already a behemoth, so it looked even slower.
The 1983 RTS were good buses. Just had bad engines, and windows too I guess. Many RTS (and Flxibles for that matter) had some of those windows that just got so bad you couldn't see out of them. But in the end, those 1983 RTS did last 17 years. So, that's damn good an on par with the average RTS life span (17-20 years) in my opinion.
As for 1983's that had 6v92's, I could list some of those:
3017,3058,3065,3066,3069,3070,3076,3077,3078,3084,3085,3087[this was a fast bus],3091,3128,3162,3193,3194,3280,3282,3285,3313,3322,3324.
(Photo from this page.)
Those beasts were finally put out of their misery a year or two ago.
As for Flxible New Looks -- I never really felt the ones I drove (without power steering) were any harder to steer than anything else without power steering. Maybe my employer at the time took better care of keeping the steering mechanism properly maintained, and good air pressure in the tires....
I haven't had a minute's experience in our NABI buses...BUT, I am seeing rust spots on the INTERIOR (from seepage!!) and they are only 3-4 years old!! And they have been major headaches to the maintenance department, much of it due to the LNG fuel system.
The worst bus I've ever driven in my 30 years behind the wheel? I would say -- and it's not a transit bus -- Eagle 10's. I didn't like sitting "down in the hole" below the passenger compartment, where all the dirt, etc. would wind up in the bus. They bounced something awful. The big windshields invited all kinds of sun into the driver area; no amount of sun visors could keep you from getting sun blinded when heading towards the sun. The windows above the windshield always leaked so you needed an umbrella to drive in the rain. They did not corner well (due to the tag axle location). The doors never sealed shut so there was always wind noise. The baggage compartments had the worst flooring material (ribbed with sharp corners), so if you had to climb inside to rearrange luggage, you came out hurting.
As for comments made byothers about LACMTA retiring buses when only 12 years old -- that is the standard policy of the LACMTA, nothing to do with the quality of any particular bus. The Federal Transit Administration (formerly Urban Mass Transit Administration) set forth "standard" way back when that dictated that the "normal life" of a transit bus is 12 years....so they will fund replacememnts every 12 years. And some agencies will go for it. The fact that some buses have had longer PRODUCTION lives does NOT mean that they are better buses; it just means the manufacturer does not want to spend money on new designs. Sure, this means a lot more profit for a manufacturer, not having to have a product development department (look at In-N-Out Burger chain in California -- they haven't changed their products in over 50 years!!! One of the most profitable fast food ventures on the planet.)
Well, Metro-Houston doesn't leave much for any perspective bus buyer. When Metro was retiring buses en masse about two-four years ago, they used to put an ugly white coat of primer over the numbers and Metro logo and tri-color stipes, then proceed to strip the bus of it's GOOD tires, radio equipment, farebox, seats, panels, destination signs (some RTS sings are currently being used on Ikarus and Neoplan buses) and any other slightly useable piece of the bus. The hulk is then towed, or driven (yes driven) to the bus graveyard in East Houston where the engine is dismantled, windows broken, and the bus is generally dirtied and then auctioned off to a scrap dealer. Fortunately, my namesake wasn't stripped of anything but it's paint and is probably working at the Airport along with a few 85 Flxibles and a Dallas Neoplan and some other old RTS. Every RTS Houston had had over 1,000,000 miles on it. I could've bought one for $500, and that's one that worked.
Now, the Ikarus are being retired en masse, but Metro has let them keep their numbers and paint. I'm guessing this in case of a fleet crunch, but of course Metro has already taken seats, engine pieces, panels, windows, and steering wheels.
Also in the old bus yard is a motely crew of 1998 New Flyer D40lf's. They were retired after two years because Metro didn't want to buy CNG and LNG feuls anymore. Good job guys. The buses are slowly but surely being stripped, starting with tailights first. These buses cost $258,000 each. What a buy.
And, we also have a 1977 RTS-01 still in Metro paint, a 1979 Grumman 870 in Metro paint (fresh) with Aluminum Alcoa rims, a 1979 Eagle 05, a 1983 RTS-04, a 1985 Flxible and Eagle 10, and a 1992 Stewart and Stevenson Minibus, all in Metro paint. I'm guessing this is the historical fleet. There's also a decrepid 1961 GM New Look, which is opeartinal as it has been moved around quite a bit. It's in the pre 1982 Metro scheme. Must of been out of service for over 20 years.
1998 New Flyers are retired already?....Are they C40LF or D40LF?...
What is Metro buying and planning now as for new buses and new buses with alternate fuels?
Well, I don't know what they're planning to buy next, but it won't be alternative fueled. We did have a nice fleet of LNG buses, but they stopped putting LNG in them and started using regular diesel. They had dual fuel engines. We still have some of them.
2114-2116 (1983 RTS-04s) are gone.
2605 (1993 Ikarus) is gone, it burned up.
2770-2799 (1990 Mercedes) are gone.
3100-3112 (1990 Marco Polo) are gone.
3800-3849, 3900-3934 (1992-93 Ferroni Minibuses) are gone.
The Neoplan artics and Metroliners are still around along with the rest of the Ikarus buses.
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Your bus fare at work.
I recall from others that the Neoplan AN440-A had 16-17 yrs of service and 1982 GMC RTSII T70604 are still in service right now. Are those two an exception of retiring buses when only 12 yrs old?...
PS. I'll go for In-N-Out Burger on any day rather than Jack In The Box, Mcdonalds, and Burger King if they are right next to each other...
Their corporate jet crashed about 600 feet from my residence on 12/15/94, killing four of the five tope executives of the company. The one remaining executive, Mrs. Snyder, is now running the company -- and since she took over, she's been cheapening things up. The burgers don't taste as good in quality as they did years ago.
I never used to get heartburn from In-N-Out....can't go near them nowadays!
But I'll agree with you abotu staying away from the other places....
Try KING pins.....hehehehe.
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And if it wasn't for that awful motorhome-style afterthought of a destination sign area, I would also pick the Gillig Advantage....laugh if you will, but I like the fact that it uses regular 22.5-inch standard-profile tires.
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http://newflyer.com/flmo/flmopics/d35lfblacksburg.jpg
Enjoy!
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http://www.btransit.org/kids_stop/images/cb_bus_hotrod.jpg
http://www.btransit.org/kids_stop/images/cb_bus_monster.jpg
http://www.btransit.org/kids_stop/images/cb_bus_tie_dye.jpg
Enjoy!
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Not quite as pronounced of a slope back there, but Seattle (King County Metro) took delivery of a bunch of D60's a couple years or so ago (2500 series, maybe others) that have a sloped ass.
The New Flyers to which Steve Hoskins and I refer are in Seattle. They feature backs which are far more sloped than normal. They don't look too far off from what Flxible posted in that BT cartoon and they are faintly reminiscent of slantback RTSs.
http://www.busdude.com/MT/MT_2479_1.jpg
If you look away from the East Coast for ten seconds, you might find something interesting!
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www.railfanwindow.com
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http://www.btransit.org/kids_stop/images/cb_bus_regular.jpg
I'm not quite sure how to post photos in a thread as it has been a while, but enjoy the links!
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I recently rode HRT's Flxible Metro fleet at Virginia Beach; those have black trim with a large blue stripe, a la Baltimore. My only gripe was that everything behind the windows was stark white. :(
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IMO, I think it would look a little better if that line was black, and if that "rise" didn't seperate the back window so much. They should've made those back windows connected to the front windows, unfortunately the back window looks like a damn rectangle.
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I wasn't sure what time the 38B was due but I knew it ran every half hour. I did the voice activated Ride Guide and heard that there was a bus at 7:45PM leaving Farragut Square, but it was only 7:05. I called back and gave an earlier time and sure enough there is one due at 7:15. Board Orion VI 2004 headed home to Ballston and we are about to go onto the service road paralleling K St. at around 21st St. NW or somewhere around there. As we are maneuvering into the service road, this little car comes flying through the intersection as he was already in the service road and nearly ripped our bumper off. We finally make it in there and as we are approaching Washington Circle, these two kids, probably going to GW as they were of that age, park their Jetta illegaly and taking up half of the service lane. The bus driver opens his door and starts yelling at the kids to move their car and that they are blocking the way. The completely ignore him and walk into their apt. The driver at this point is hopping mad and gets out of his bus saying, "Where are the police, I need to find a police officer". Of course, now we're blocking the entire road so nobody can pass us. This went on for almost 5 minutes and the guy finally strolls back out of his apt. with his dog to walk!!! Now, the driver is even more furious and I really thought a fight was going to break out, but our driver was so professional in the way he handled it. Not one profanity came out of his mouth, not one gesture, just the point of telling this moron to move his car. The smartass kid finally puts Fido away and slowly makes his way to the car with the bus driver still yelling at him and said, "Move your car now, move it right now buddy, move it now!" As the jerk gets in his car, he opens up the sunroof and is waving at our driver.
When I got off at Ballston I told him that I hoped he didn't have anymore adventures tonight. He said to me, "You saw the whole thing?" I told him yes and said that he was very professional in handling it and that I was sorry he had to go through that with this jerk. We shook hands and he had to get ready for the return trip back as there was a long line of people waiting to get on and he was running a bit late. But, I had to say something in his favor as that whole incident was completely uncalled for. I told the driver, I would have pushed the car out of the way! He said he would have gone up on the curb, but with the cameras on the bus, he didn't want to take a chance and get into trouble.
I have also had other Ride-On drivers who are just great to be around. One would be greeting everyone as they got on and bidding farewell to each person that got off, no matter what door they used. Others also go the extra mile to be nicer to their passengers, no matter how hard the work is. It is too bad they all can't do that.
I take it since you say this surprise is only for me, it has to do with either the 27 or 37. Do I have to wait until late August to find out or will I get to know sooner? I take it it is not the 46 rumor since you would have then directed that towards Ray, I despise the 46.
-AcelaExpress2005 - R143 #8265
B44 Local - #5081
B26 Local - #8155
B65 Local - #920
--AcelaExpress2005 - R143 #8265
Peace,
Kevin
I also spotted 4552 on the Q55. I think that bus was dumped here because 4662 never made it to FP(it crashed two years ago). It's strange to see a 4500 lurking around here. Hopefully it will be the only one here, with no others following it.
--AcelaExpress2005 - R143 #8265
Started out by taking 881 on the B8, driver did good, took that to Flatbush Av where I wait a few minutes before the LTD comes, so I hop on 9402, we get bottlenecked going toward Church Av, then again until Parkside, moderate traffic so not much speed there. The LTD driver couldn't [well didn't] pass local 8323 which we would trail my ENTIRE trip on the 41 :-\. So during that trip the driver let people off at 3 *LOCAL* stops, why I don't know I think he didn't care or something. Anyway, got off at Atlantic Av went downstairs to catch the N or W [no R trains this weekend] and I just catch the W which was ready to leave. So I take it via 4 Av local to 36 St where Iwould get off to catch the shuttle bus.
I go outside and I let 9159 go b/c it got too crowded so I wait for 4978 to come and load passengers then we're off. The bus was kinda hot but the driver drove good and this bus was a GOOD bus [look out for this bus ENY Nova], nice accel + good driver = good result :-). We hit at least 30mph between every stop and then I got off at 95 St and I wait for the next bus to come 4715. So we depart and the bus has very bad acceleration so at 86 St we took some passengers and the bus got full quickly. So were going via 4 Av and some guy got frustrated b/c he thought the B/O was driving slow when in reality the bus was slow [now I see why DaRidge hates these buses ;-)]. So then we're moving smoothly and on the downhill in the 40's the bus hardly speeds up with an empty road ahead of us, go figure! We arrive at 36 St after 9151 catches up to us and how slow the bus went well we saw 8122 going the other way at 77 St [I'm heading north] and about 3 minutes later it reaches 36 St. Amazing right; and the funny thing was the horn of 4715 it sounded like a horn from a cartoon.
So I buy a Frosted Fudge Cake in the store and lo and behold a Orion VII is running on the shuttle bus! So I let 9159 go AGAIN but its for a good cause :-). So I hop on 7572 and the new smell is there it gets crowded and I hop on it. The B/O was kinda careful at some points seeing the bus was brand new so its a smooth ride to 95 St and 8532 catches up & both leaves together. So I wait until 9151 comes and the driver does pretty good although he could of went a little faster when we had open roads. So I arrive at 36 St for the 2nd time and I wait for the N, which is arriving by time I go downstairs and its running on the local track so I railfan on a R40 and I take it to Kings Highway where I will take the shuttle bus to 86 St and back. When I come up, I wait about 5 minutes before 7531 comes and very few people are on the shuttle; since its only 2 stops. Its a short ride to 86 St then I hop on 9295 on the return trip. The bus had some torn seats, some were flat as pancakes. ONLY TWO buses covered the route and its nothing spectacular, both drivers went rather slowly and took their time.
I arrive at Kings Hwy and I wait for the B82 to come so its a nice ride via Kings Highway until I reach my stop, E 16 St then I hop on a R68 Q and it goes very quickly until I reach Newkirk Av then I see a Orion VII on the B8 and I take it home.
Buses I saw on the N & R shuttles.
N-UP: 7531,9295
R-FB: 5086,5115,9393,9406,9412
FP: 4715,5060,8151,9151,9161
ENY: 4635,4642,4978,4987,8122
JG: 7572,8091,8531,8532,8546
NF 881 B8
RTS 9402 B41 LTD
R68A 5003 (W)
RTS 4978 R SHUTTLE
RTS 4715 R SHUTTLE
Orion VII 7572 R SHUTTLE
RTS 9151 R SHUTTLE
R40 4344 (N)
RTS 7531 N SHUTTLE
RTS 9295 N SHUTTLE
RTS 4954 B82
R68 2882 (Q)
Orion VII 7573 B8
BTW, how long will this shuttle be running? I might decide to take it soon.
I always wanted to drive for Liberty Lines, Red and Tan, NYCT, NJT, Academy, MSBA, et al. I'm kinda getting in on the ground floor driving my Ford Cutaway Diesel. One day I hope to drive a coach bus.
Well, not really. Metrobus fares range from 60 cents to about $2..Metrorail fares ranging from the cheapest short-distance $1.10 off-peak fare to the longer-distance $3.20 (I think) peak fare.
Correct me if I am wrong
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
BIG AL
Unfortunately, when Dad passed away, I was 17 and consumed with my new-found freedom as a licensed car owner. What's more, I sadly kept my bus interest in the closet since most people my age would think I was a nut for such a hobby, yet I still loved it secretly. Later on, I discovered the Internet, and opened my eyes to the fact that there are tons of people out there into buses, just like me. I then began to appreciate transit for its purpose, and not just for a joy ride.
Today, I ride transit on a regular basis as my main mode of transportation; I am active in assistance with bus roadeos and fellow riders, I still do the custom models, I have done graphic art projects for our local T/A, and am a curator/restoration specialist of a bus and trolley museum. My current project there is a 1976 Flxible New Look bus that was damaged by a flood. When I was 3 or 4, Dad rode that bus as a ridership census taker for our local T/A. One day, he handed me a pencil and pad so I could help, and that is how I learned to count and work with numbers....
Needless to say, buses have always been a part of my life.
I agree. Although, at first blush, moving the terminal while it has been in existence for such a short term sounds crazy, upon further reflection, this whole idea could be a big plus for making Atlantic City more attractive to visitors and, therefore, help the City's economy. I just hope that the article is correct in implying that the new bus terminal will not be smaller than the one to be changed to retail.
I used to be operatins manager for a local tour/charter/sightseeing operation here in southern California (we had about two dozen MCI's) and we also had the maintenance contract out here for Rotel Tours. They have approximately a dozen of these tour/sleeper buses in North America at any time -- the buses stay here due to licensing, etc. (They did get into some legal problems in 1989 -- running around with German plates, German drivers, no USA/Canada documentation, etc. but that all got straightened out.)
The buses usually hold 24 passengers plus a tour guide and driver. The rear half's right side opens up via a folding hatch and the bunks are crossways in the bus. (Looks like a coroner's office on wheels, bunks just big enough for a person!) They DO make stops at campgrounds for somewhat more roomy sleeping arrangements for their passengers.
Generally, the tours started out here, the passengers would fly from Germany to Los Angeles, and we'd pick them up with one of our MCI's while their bus was being prepared for their tours. They would go as far north as Alaska, then back down and travel around the USA for up to a month.
-Tyler-
BIG AL
Wayne
8226 M102
5188 M103
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
Watch your mouth! You do not know if Q5Merrick is available at the moment. That was a bold comment! Something serious could have happened to him and all you think about is BUSES!!!! Fresh Pond Buses! Big freakin deal! When Q5Merrick enters a post, he will do so on HIS time. Not your time! Calm down and relax and I'm sure he will post the correct roster. By you writing this statement...it was a waste of your time to write it and my and everyone elses time to read it! Think for a moment...think!
BIG AL
I know RTS_2150 would enjoy having many GM's & 1987/1988 TMC's ;-).
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#3986 on the B26 at Jay/Fulton...
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
Taken about a year ago on the Bx55 line, BEFORE moving to Fresh Puke, I mean, Fresh Pond (oh, THANKS a LOT, Gary {a.k.a. MCI #1979/R62A #1979}, for putting that in my head!)
How about THAT...
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
RTS #3987
You have to see it in person, it looks worse.
And if you want to see something really bad, you should've seen 4108. That was one of FP's worst originals.
In order of ugliness
2016
2128
2125
2101
2087
2182
2102
2117
2088
2165
But we did also have some beauties....
2025
1982
2154
2151
2167
2114
2116
2118
RTS #4886
Oh, and the 3986 can go to hell along with 3902 and 3997.
BIG AL
3902 Q54
3951 B20
Q55- RTS #4880(in 2002)
BIG AL
B13- RTS #9598(4379 was rejected)
Q55- RTS #5062(4665 was rejected)
The really sad looking buses with their scratched-up windows are 4414, 4416, and 4433. At least none of the FPs (maybe exc. 4380) has fogged-up lucite windows.
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As far as former KB buses go, my namesake would look odd today with a KB sticker on it.)
5244 B9 (Jackie Gleason w/Kingsbridge Stickers)
5096 B1 (Ulmer Park w/Gun Hill stickers)
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8703 B82
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B44 Local - #5105
BIG AL
BIG AL
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Q55- RTS #9163(saw it today)
BIG AL
That "South Bronx style" numberings started at Walnut Bus Depot on Walnut Av (which we all know what happened to that depot) and I do believe either OLD West Farms Depot or Coliseum Depot. I remember buses #1710, #1729, #1733 #2345, #2622, #3145, #3499 #3545? and #4787 had that style. Although, I saw bus #3499 which was the last I saw of the South Bronx Style numbers....before that was bus #4787 on the Bx19 (Walnut). Oh, buses #1710, #1729 and #1733 (all from Flushing now Casey Stengel) had the numbers wiped off and placed on top BUT you could still see the numbers on the left side...just faded.
1705 B41 Limited
4393 B83
BIG AL
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B44 Local - #4621
And now JG won't be needing these RTS's that were borrowed for past eight months. The Orion7's are slowly going to replace them.
Honestly, I hope the 8600's don't come to FP. I'd much rather see some of the Novas from Manhattan getting sent here.
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Please elaborate on this need for buses at Ulmer Park. How many runs or partial runs are not being covered because no bus is available?
David
B1-#9098-NOVABUS
B64-#9326-NOVABUS(repainted, yet the seats remain the same, go figure).
(For the record, the express bus requirement in Ulmer Park is also heavier in the morning rush than in the afternoon rush.)
David
I contacted NYCTA using the 800 number printed on timetables. It only took 2.5 months to get an answer but it finally came. The depot was able to identify the operator from the info I gave the agent (bus #, route #, day, time of day) and "appropriate action was taken" whatever that means. This will go into the operator's permanent file (sounds like high school when the guidance counselor spoke about each student's 'permanent file').
It takes a long time to get results, but if you're angry over how a transit personnel treated you, then calling the complaint department is the way to go.
It only takes a few poor drivers to ruin the reputation of the majority of good drivers.
Michael
Washington, DC
If only they could make their buses look a little better in Detroit; I was riding a beat-up, clapped-out 2002 RTS fleet that looked about 20 years old on the outside. No joke. But the insides were nice.
-F.
The actors include: B/O Smith, Depot Mgr. Ray Brown, and the B/O union rep.
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((((sound of chairs being moved))))
Depot mgr: "B/O Smith, the reason why I have called you in here is to discuss this complaint over here that the Authority received on you from a customer who was alighting from your bus. He claims that you sat your bus in the middle of the street and refused to open your doors, which caused him to miss his connecting bus. Can you please explain yourself."
B/O Smith: "Well sir, (clearing his throat) I do remember that day with the customer. Basically I observed an unsafe situation since my bus was in the street waiting for the bus in front of me to leave the stop. I also observed a banana peel laying in the street right next to my bus where we were standing."
Depot mgr: "Very well then. Thanks for your time Mr. Smith. And keep up the good work!"
B/O Smith: "Thank you Mr. Brown. Have a nice day."
Union Rep: "Ok, take it easy Ray".
((((sound of paper being crumpled and hitting the bottom of a round metal waste basket))))
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BIG AL
Well, that just about sums it up. (Loved the visual sound effects, Al. Very dramatic.. and realistic) LOL!!
In this situation, the B/O (BX27) stopped his bus in the middle of the street IN FRONT of the BX5. (In your hypothetical situation, my bus was behind the connecting bus, but don't let the facts get in the way.) There was plenty of room to pull to the curb and let passengers off to catch the BX5.
BIG AL
BIG AL
Come back to BusTalk and reset your settings. That should do it.
They operate 3 local routes in Winthrop that start and end at the MBTA's Orient Heights Blue Line Station in East Boston. (routes operated under contract to the MBTA). I believe I've seen some ex-NYCT buses used on these routes. I've also seen them used for a shuttle from the MBTA's Ruggles Station to Fenway Park (under contract to the Boston Red Sox). There's a twist, an ex-NYCT bus that once carried many a Yankee fan now carrying Red Sox fans!! If only the Sox fans knew. LOLOL
Mark
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
Mark
It's worse than that... some of them have a Red Sox insignia right on the bus.
Here is the info you are looking for:
PAUL REVERE TRANSPORTATION, Chelsea, MA
15 RTS Buses
1984-85 RTS: 3656, 3689, 3701, 3715, 3719, 3721, 3723, 3724, 3737, 3739, 3747, 4126, 4131, 4133, 4161
I thought I had the renumberings with me. I misplaced those but I hope this helps!
Oh, I got this from www.transitalk.org (just in case if you was wondering)
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B44 Limited #8022
It seems that with the B-24 not going to Kent Avenue any more subway passengers who got off from the J Line stop at Marcy Avenue will have no access to the Dominio Sugar Plant since no alternative will be available unless you walk 4 or 5 blocks from the train to the B-61
This information is being reported to the Straphangers Campaign for possible legal action
Thank You
Contrary to the Straphangers' beliefs, there is no need for a public hearing every time the MTA wants to wipe its collective butt.
Only the following types of actions trigger the public hearing process:
1. Increase or decrease in service span of 1 hour or more;
2. Increase or decrease in route length of 25% or more;
3. Increase or decrease in total trips of 25% or more;
4. Creating or discontinuing an entire route.
For all other changes (such as the B24/Q59 thing), only the normal community outreach is needed. Transit's staff meet with Community Boards and other interested parties, gather input, submit a final proposal to the Board, and implement.
It seems that when the BMT ended train service between Marcy Avenue and the Broadway Ferry(Kent Avenue) it was mandated that a connection be maintained between Marcy Avenue and Kent Avenue via an alternate way.
By discontinuing the B-24 then the TA is inviolation af an agreement that it inherited
Thank You
By whom and to whom was such mandate issued? Was such mandate issued in perpetuity? Was such mandate included in the enabling (state) legislation that created NYCT? Please provide documentation, including names, dates, and places.
Thank You
Thank You
Check the service span on the B-24 and the Q-59
Thank You
Trevor
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Regards,
Trevor Logan
NJT Nova #2615 @ Newport Centre Mall
NJT Nova #2640 @ Hoboken Terminal...
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
Tony M.
NJT Bus Operator.
Meadowlands Garage
So, the number of Novas that have the new signs are buses #2615, #2636 and #2640?
There is a good portion of them rehabbed already!
2609, 2615, 2620, 2636, 2652, and a good set of 2700s are done also.
Eventually the entire 1995-96 Nova batch will look like those!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Thanks for that answer! What about #2640? I saw a pic of that on BT after you posted your pics. Again, thanks for your response!
Thanks very much as well as a thanks again to Da Bus Ballatician!
Earlier today when I was walking to class, I passed by the Stamp Student Union and saw Orion V 9620 on the White Flint Sta. bound C8 with a side route number sign that said
"WHI"
Also, the rear route number sign said
"]]]"
2T Dunn Loring Sta/
2T Dunn Loring/
2T Station
I first noticed this on a 22B to Seven Corners:
22B Seven Corners/
22B Seven/
22B Corners
22B Seven
22B Corners
or
Seven
Corners
or
1C Fair Oaks
1C Mall (sometimes Hospital)
SHOW ME THE MONEY: FINANCING DC'S TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM
Wednesday, May 7, 7:00 pm until 8:30 pm
Martin Luther King Memorial Library, Auditorium, Room A5
901 G Street NW, Washington, DC
(at Gallery Place Metrorail Station)
A Public Meeting Hosted by the Citizens Advisory Committee to The
National Capital Region Transportation Planning Board (TPB), The
Committee of 100 on the Federal City, And the D.C. League of Women Voters
Moderated by Phil Mendelson, DC Councilmember and TPB Vice Chair, Jim
Graham, DC Councilmember and 2003 Chair of The Washington Metropolitan
Area Transit Authority (WMATA) and Dan Tangherlini, Director, District
Department of Transportation (DDOT)
Transportation funding is tight and transportation needs are many. Over
the next year, decision makers in the District government, on the Metro
board, and throughout the region will have to decide which transportation
needs can be funded within the region's financial constraints.
In the District of Columbia, we must rehabilitate Metrorail, Metrobus,
and our roads. Funding is also needed to make sure the regional
transportation system can handle potential large-scale emergencies. And
we cannot ignore the growing need for improved information and for new
and expanded transportation facilities and services in our communities.
Meanwhile, local and state budgets throughout the region are getting
squeezed, and federal funding is becoming more important than ever.
On May 7, 7:00-8:30 pm, at the Martin Luther King Central Library,
transportation decision makers will come together for a public meeting
to answer your questions about transportation needs in D.C. that should
and can be funded over the next 5-10 years.
The meeting will be co-hosted by three organizations: The Citizens
Advisory Committee (CAC) to the region's Transportation Planning Board
(TPB). The CAC is made up of citizens from across the metropolitan
region who represent diverse viewpoints on transportation policy. The
TPB itself is a body of elected and appointed officials who coordinate
transportation planning for the entire metropolitan Washington region.
The Committee of 100 is the oldest planning body and the oldest
citizens' forum on planning issues in the Nation's Capital. The D.C.
League of Women Voters is an organization that has long encouraged the
informed and active participation of citizens in government, including
transportation planning and policy making.
For more information, contact John Swanson at the Council of Governments at
jswanson@mwcog.org or 202/962-3295.
David
Last year when myself, Thurston, Heypaul and BMTman went to the Roadeo on the return from the NYC Model RR show in Kendall Park, NJ we also saw two subway cars on the property for terrorism training. Don't remember the #'s but know that they weren't R33/36 WF's. Also saw the bus that's ready to launch. They don't allow visitors to the property so you need a telephoto lens and a good motorcycle to get close.
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?img_3938.jpg
4x (40, 42, 44, etc.)= travels along north shore only.
5x = North-South route utilizes both north and south shore
6x = Victory Blvd as primary route
7x = travels along south shore
9x = Limited bus route, all types but the second digit is usually the same as the local bus route it shares with.
In Brooklyn route numbers appeared on roll signs beginning with PCC cars in 1936. The older trolleys never saw route numbers but when the buses replaced the trolleys route numbers, already assigned, appeared. All officially had a "B" prefix but often the "B" was omitted - e.g., 35-Church Avenue was officially B35 Church Ave.
In Queens it was similar - but the route number system was applied borough wide to all of the various private bus companies. Often same-company routes were clustered together - e.g., Q6 through Q11 are all Green Bus routes, for example. In 1947 when NYC took over North Shore bus to form today's Queens Division, the old route numbers remained. About twenty years ago "A" suffix numbers on key routes were eliminated for clarity - so the old Q17A became Q30; and Q44A became Q46, etc.
In The Bronx, there was one large private operator, Third Avenue Transit, that converted its routes to bus very quickly after WW II. Route numbers never appeared on trolleys, but did appear on buses. The lower route numbers normally applied to routes that were buses from the beginning and never were trolley routes originally, so that's why BX1/2 is the Grand Concourse route, BX11 is 170th Street, etc. Many Bronx route numbers changed during a wholesale renumbering about twenty years ago.
Staten Island, prior to the current logical system another poster described very well, used very low and very high numbers and nothing in between. R1 through R7, and then R101 through R114 consituted the basic Staten Island local routes prior to the express buses beginning in 1968.
Manhattan's system was the most jumbled because its two biggest private operators (5th Ave. and NYC Omnibus, which were really one company), both used unique numeric only route designators that had no "M" prefix and simply reflected the order of the route's introduction (or in the NYCO case, the order in which buses replaced the NY Railways trolleys in a massive 1935-36 conversion program). To add to the confusion many identically numbered routes operated on parallel avenues - thus Fifth and Madison Aves. each had unique #1 and #2 routes, and Fifth and Sixth Avenues each had unique #5 routes. The Surface Transportation Manhattan routes (formerly Third Avenue Transit) were numbered using "M" numbers after the routes converted from trolley to bus in 1947-48 - and these routes were numbered from M100 through M106. Today's M100, M101, and M104 are the same routes as the old Third Ave. trolleys, with changes as necessary due to one way avenues.
The NYCTA's old Manhattan Division routes, inherited from two small private companies in 1948, were numbered M1, M3, M7, M11, M13, and M15. These routes all operate today, in one case (M11) combined with another former 5th Ave. Coach route; but all except the M15 have different numbers today.
As Manhattan's principal avenues converted to one way traffic between 1948 and 1966, many routes were combined due to the elimination of one direction of travel on certain routes.
In the mid-1970's the Manhattan routes were renumbered to eliminate duplicative and even triplicate numbers, with a M prefix applied to all routes. And as mentioned in another post the crosstown routes were given numbers (up to 116th St.) corresponding to the street they traversed.
Here's the info about the renumbering of many Bronx routes back in the early 80's. I remember the TA said this was being done to eliminate confusion, but 'til this day I don't understand how it would reduced confusion.
OLD NEW
Bx3 Bx17 Transferred from KB to WAL
Bx4 Bx34 Transferred from COL to WAL
Bx6 Bx30 COL to WAL Extended from Boston/Corsa Av to Co-Op City
Bx7 COL - Discontinued
Bx9 Bx31 COL to WAL
Bx10 Bx7
Bx13 Bx22
Bx14 Combined with Bx16
Bx15 Bx28
Bx16 COL to KB Extended to Boston/Ropes Ave
Bx17 Bx26
Bx20 Bx9
Bx22 Bx14
Bx25 Bx32 WF to KB
Bx26 Bx21
Bx28 Bx39
Bx29 Bx15
Bx30 Bx19 OFS to WAL Combined with Bx31
Bx31 Bx19 Combined with Bx30
Bx34 Bx6 KB to AMS
Bx37 Bx13
Bx38 Bx3
Bx42 Bx4
Wayne
M22--same but modified
M21--same but modified
M13--now M8
M14--same
M26--now M23
M16--split to create M34
M106--now M42
M27--split to create M50
M28--now M57
M29--now M66
M30--split to create M72
M17--now M79
M18--now M86
M19--split to create M96, M19 renumbered to M106 in 1995
M20--now M116
For Queens, the 50's [54,55,56,58,59] were numbered that way to identify them as Brooklyn-Queens routes and the 70's [74,75,76,77,79] are identified as routes that don't run 7 days a week.
For Staten Island, Kool-D explained the structure for the routes when they were renumbered in the late 1980's [and still have the same structure to this day].
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As you said, there is no unique numbering system in Brooklyn, most of Queens and the Bronx.
The M14 East side is much different back then as it is now.
The M8 was the M13, same route (actually the old, old M8 was the Grand/Broome cross-town route. Was discontinued sometime in the late 80's)
For the Brooklyn/Queens routes, you left out the Q24 (Atlantic Ave/Broadway East) formerly the B22.
The B24 also does interboro travel but the route remains unchanged to this day (but NYCT will get a hold of that one, along with the Q59)
I also see something interesting in Brooklyn, notice 41, 43, 44, 46, 47, 48 and 49? These are long north-south routes, only the 42 and 45 deviate from that.
Old/current
B10/B15
B22/Q24
B53/Q54
B55/Q55
B56/Q56
B58/Q58
B59/Q59
Thank You
Q17A (now Q30) branched off old Q17 (which ran via Kissena, H Harding, and Utopia Parkway, not 188th St).
Q44A (now Q46) was originally a branch of the Q44 Main Street route and only went east to about 188th St. or so prior to WWII. When extended later it kept the old # for a long time.
Q12A (now Q79)originates in the same place as Q12.
Q3A (now Q83) was a branch of the Q3.
Q4A (now Q84) branches off the Q4.
Q5A (now Q85) branches off the Q5.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Q79 (and even the old Q12A) go from Little Neck Parkway near Jamaica Ave (Jericho Tpke) up to the area near the Little Neck LIRR station? I don't reacll the Q12 originating at either of those spots. As far as I know, the Q12 goes from Main Street-Flushing to Northern Boulevard at the Nassau County line.
Thank You
Suffolk County follows much the same model: the low-numbered main-line routes (S1, S20's) and feeder routes (e.g. 1A, 1B, 2A) are near the Nassau border, with numbers increasing eastward to the high-numbered main-line routes (S90's) and feeders (8A, 10's) at the eastern end. Also, in general, north-south main-line routes have odd numbers and east-west routes have even numbers. (BTW, for feeder routes, the letter suffix replaces the "S" prefix.)
Then you had the Q5a Laurelton Shuttle(Q5aLS-which died in the 80`s), and the Q5s which became the Q86 and then died in the 80`s. What was the purpose of these routes?
Then finally before all of the changes caused by the Parson-Archer opening, the TA merged the two Q5a, and Q5ab runs into the Q85. Why did they use the 80 series numbers in identifying these routes?
Since we are talking about good ol' days, I would like to talk about my days living in Queens from 1965-1997. My Uncle has some old pics of GMC RTS-04 buses from the Jamaica Depot when they were NEW! Although, I have begged him repeated to let me show them to you all...otherwise you guys would think that I'm lying. He told me, "NO! This is my collection". So, I'll describe what he has...ready?
Picture #1 - bus #3605 on the Q5AB picking up passengers on Hillside Av between 168th St and 168th Pl.
Picture #2 - bus #3578 on the Q4 on Hillside Av and 167th St
Picture #3 - (this is a good one) buses #3593, #3597, #3603, #3609, #3638, #3640 and #3642 in the Jamaica Depot facing Merrick....BRAND NEW!
However, as I write this.....I say to myself, "A picture is worth a thousand words!" I will do my best to post these pics on BusTalk. However, don't hold your breathe.
I will be very sad when those days come to a halt in the next few years, as they are already starting to in some cities. :(
-F.
The MC keeps a record of the last two uses, this is used mainly for the Transfer feature.
Besides, where would they place the buses? heh, imagine an Orion VII "Shitbox" on track 24, next to an R32 "Brightliner"...
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
All of them now lie at either Pitkin or Jamaica, I believe.
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
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R44 Local - #5114
It is NOT the Busfest. The Busfest is just a display of the historic fleet and some current models, usually held at the Transit Museum (but was at Cadman Plaza last year). The Roadeo is a competition for bus operators and maintainers sponsored by APTA; the best go on to a national Roadeo to compete with the best from other transit properties.
I would assume that they check security more early in the day, as I went with a group after lunch & we just drove in. We had railfan type hats & waved at security. I expect that you'll be able to walk over to the sea plane museum in one of the hangers ... it is quite interesting too.
Didn't find out if you had to show ID to ride the shuttle or if there was a charge.
FWIW, NJT usually runs their D4000s or CNG cruisers between Howell Garage and Howell P&R when NJT holds it's Bus Roadeo.
-Fred
Dave
6A RONKONKOMA RAILROAD
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I'm pretty sure Flushing Depot is a private piece of property unless someone may clarify for me. If anyone doesn't know, Flushing Depot is along Roosevelt Avenue, very much near the tunnel portal of the (7) heading toward or leaving Main Street Terminal. It seems the most of the depot consists of Access-A-Ride vehicles or look-a-likes of them.
David
You know, I know what you're talking about its inside a run down industrial yard with trucks and the last time I saw it, it had a blue AOL front ad and I'm still stumped about that too.
I am looking for some people to interview, and would love to chat with anyone on this list about why they are interested in subways or buses, how long have they been interested in them, what they find particularly interesting about them and any anecdotes they care to share.
Anyway, if you'd be willing to talk, I'm trying to wrap this up this week and would love to speak with you. Please feel free to email me individually at gfc2001@columbia.edu, or call me, if you wish, at 917-447-9965.
Again, I apologize if this message disturbed anyone. I thank everyone for their time and hope to talk to you soon.
Best regards,
Gaston F. Ceron
But anyway,after my brief tour of Gateway Center,I go back to the B13 bus stop to take it back toward the Mail Facility and lo and behold it was that same NIS bus,8007 that is there waiting to take me and the other passenger's there toward Williamsburg.Talk about your weird ironies.So I take that bus to the Mail Facility to wait for the next departing B15 or B20 and the first one that show's up is a FP B20 bus #9591 and took that to Pennsylvania Av where I caught an my first ever ride on an R142 5 train over the Livonia El and let me tell ya,it was SSSSWWWWEEEEEETTT! It made all the announcement's untill we got to Utica Av where I hoped on an R142 4 train.Saw a 2 train go by while I waited for that 4 train too.
All in all,I say it was a very interesting day. Comment's?Question's? Feel free to reply and I shall answer back if it is possible.
Also, for those who drive the mall is one of the most convenient ever built, as it has it's own access to the Belt Parkway right across the street.
Steer clear from it.
Now, if we could get a spur off the BMT Canarsie line or IRT New Lots Line down there....:)
Peace,
Kevin
Guess who's going there after class that day!
Peace,
Kevin
What for?
This morning I got on a Metro-B, in the 3140's with reulpohlstered seats. It used the new fabric design seen in rehabbed Flxible Metro D's. Too bad they couldn`t replace those SHITTY SCRATCHED-UP WINDOWS. What`s wrong with Washington Twp? Can`t those assholes put clear windows in their Flxibles? The windows on Washington Twp Flxibles are so badly scratched up (from the outside!) you cannot see out of them even on a bright sunny day! It's the only NJT garage with these f&*ked up windows in the system!
Also the ESPN radio ads are being applied to a lot of buses both North and South. I do not know why, South Jersey cannot get 1050am, its too close to KYW's frequency of 1060am. I wonder if these ads have appeared on Egg Harbor's buses, since it is NJT`s southernmost garage.
-F.
I was looking over the BusTalk archives and I noticed that there was talk of NEW bus routes along the Grand Central Pkwy, Midland Pkwy, etc.
I forgot who wrote it (might have been "NJT bus" or something like that) but there was a comment saying that it was a bad idea to put buses on the GCP. Wait a minute.....wasn't the Q44 on the GCP between 150th St to Main St by crossing over Parsons Blvd?
I'm not trying to start nothing but I do think it's a great idea to put a bus on the GCP. There are a lot of people who walk a great deal to get to either 164th St (Q65), Homelawn St/Utopia Pkwy (Q30, Q31) or 188th St (Q17, Q75), etc. It does not have to be a 24 hour service but it's interesting to mention. Hell, I grew up in Jmaaica Hills so I should know about walking to catch the nearest bus. DO you guys agree?
5511-5522, 5525-5526, 5532-5535, 5547-5548, 5550, 5553-5554 & 5557.
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Chapter 11 Choo Choo (Lyrics)
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Poor Onion...
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
-F.
-F.
C8LLEGE
C8ARK STA.
on its side destination sign.
Damn Vultron signs...these signs are rotting quicker than moldy fruit.
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Didn't have a paper sign or anything but I think it was on the even 30s.
9631 is still not repowered.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
If anyone ever read CARtoons Magazine, you'll know that it immediately reminded me of a George Trosley drawing. All you need to do is ink in a pic of Krass and Bernie tooling around in a hot rod at one end of the destination sign. :)
So what causes this with the signs anyway? Is it just a frozen "brain", or a keypad problem?
-F.
Due to the first problem I witnessed, I call it the "Goohound". :)
-F.
It's just crazy! And tonight, one bus came in with a stress crack just forward of the rear doors right up by the window. I doubt if this bus will go out tommorrow. But you know Suffolk if it got wheels it goes out regardless if the wheelchair lift works or it's the fuel cap is missing. It's getting bad out here!
I don't even think crime in NYC is up that high!
Regards,
Trevor
The sad thing is that paying riders suffer for the actions of people who would likely be non-revenue riders of WMATA Metrobus or Ride-On.
The paying public is sure paying for it. If they ever catch these kids, they should make the parents help pay for the damage too.
What if a light company or water company truck was pelted, and in response the city decided to shut of lights or water in that area? Would that be fair? What if it was YOUR area? The police need to go in and clean the area up and in the mean time buses need to keep on going thru, just be cautious.
As bus fans, sometimes I think people get a little to passionate about the hobby and let that override common sense and business sense.
The problem goes in so many directions. First those parents might see or even hear their children pelting buses with rocks and other stuff and just do nothing, if they aren't wrecking their stuff they don't care. On top of that some of these parents are the best role models and the kids follow what their parents do and act like they do.
And also working in retail, some parents discipline their kids and then some others let their kids do whatever they want. There have been times where me or one of my employees have had to tell children not to do things or wrect stuff, and the parents are just standing there doing nothing. The sad thing is if these cops do start arresting children or even scold them, the parents get on the police they get on WMATA for allowing this and would ditch WMATA(I am not saying them not riding WMATA is a bad thing). My rememdy is to put cameras on these buses that go on that road and other places where this occurs, have cops on the bus, when the bust goes down, GO AFTER THE PARENTS!!!!. Fine them to the point where they will get their act together and their little BEBE' KIDS act together. And if they don't have the money, have those parents pick up trash around metro stations, clean the buses and the insides of metro stations until the debt is repaid and have their picture taken and have those pics on all metrobuses and if any of the offenders come aboard, they won't be able to (this last one may go too far).
If noone does something, then this will cause a rock to hit a driver, forcing him or her to lose control of their bus, and maybe crashing into something injuring or killing someone. Or it might hit a passenger causing injury and if that happens the rider won't sue the kid they will sue WMATA.
I hope that metro police will do something, and I not going to depend on the DC police to do anything. If this was PG the police might go too far and have lawsuits up the ying yang, but it would do something. Let me comment PG's crime rate isn't nothing to write home about either, but some of that is all of the lawsuits going on and the police have to be easy.
Also 3942 and 3920 run from Four Mile Run, but were seen running on Southern routes. 3942 was on the W8 and I am not sure about 3920.
WOW! What a great bus! She's a 1999 New Flyer D60LF.........
She rides like a dream, takes potholes beautifully! The interior is pretty inviting, the seats are comfortable. The powertrain on this baby is a 8.5L Detroit Diesel Series 50 DDEC rated at 325 HP to a Allison World B500R Tranny.
MTA Research & Development was on board and I asked them a few questions, yes the bus will be here for 30 days and may be tested on other Quill lines besides the M23. If all goes will the MTA will order 20-50 of them. It's true that after 5769 arrives here that New Flyer will definately shut down thier High Floor Production Line.
Now The Photos..........
Enjoy!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
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Trevor Logan
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That's a nice looking bus, it's just too bad Brooklyn will never see anything like it, you Manhattan people are so lucky. I hope the TA orders them, that way NYC will have two types of Artics.
Although artics will never see the light of day in FP, there's still a chance of them appearing in Maspeth Depot.
As an aside, a large number of artics are currently being introduced in London, UK. These have very few problems with even the tightest streets in London; and not many years ago London Buses received a number of 40ft rigids for services in these areas- These were subsequently disposed of ASAP when it was realised they were to bulky for the road network........
Aa to eliminate the double parking problem. Simply install cameras on the front of buses to take pictures of doublrd parked cars, cars in bus lanes and cars blocking bus sttops empeading the bus access.
Bloomberg preposed this but AAA(automobile club of america) went nuts.
If you vilolate the law you should have to pay the concequences
What jurisdiction does AAA have over NYC traffic laws?
Carlton
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This would be perfect!
shoot...thanks for the clarification...disregard my last post...
I have a brother or sister (whatever it is), pic of 3064.
Here is 3063 in St. Paul, Minniesota
Gillig Phantom
Anyway, those are definitely nice looking buses, but I wonder how those seats will hold up under NYC conditions...
It'd be real cool to see those running around Philly, I liked the on ST D60LF I caught in Seattle.
Bill "Newkirk"
Carlton
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Try Minneapolis-St.Paul Metropolitan Transit Commission. St. Cloud is a far smaller city in Minnesota that has a little fleet of Gilligs.
The bus will do just fine in NYC!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
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Am I correct?
-F.
Chapter 11 Choo Choo (Lyrics)
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-F.
It's Minneapolis/St. Pauls'.
He will be at the bus roadeo selling bus photos so wise people shop with the best.
Sean in LA
I spent about an hour there Friday afternoon. I gave up when I saw fleet numbers repeating from both directions. (But if anyone wants a list of exactly which buses were running on the M23 at about 3pm on Friday, I can post my notes.) Hope you have better luck.
You were keeping a list? That sounds like terroristic activity, son. You're lucky no one reported you to the authorities.
-F.
-F.
"BM-11 BENSONHURST"
I guess that at one time Command was to take over the old Metro Apple Express routes but it never happened.
Thank You
And BTW, 441 is a Classic.
BM-10 Bay Ridge via 4th Avenue from 95th St to Manhattan (59th St/5th Ave)
BM-11 from 65th Street and Bay Parkway to Manhattan
BM-12 from Fort Hamilton Pkway/39th St to Manhattan
BM-15 from Ocean Pkway/Ave Z to Manhattan
They also operated the Penn Station/Grand Central Shuttle for Amtrak
and a Department of Labor Shuttle in downtown Brooklyn
I believe they also operated some rack track runs in Manhattan after Walters Transit went out of business. One of those routes were taken over from the Avenue B and East Broadway Transit Company
Metro Apple was originally part of the Red and Tan Bus Lines organiazation(same owners0 but were later sold to the Gibbons family who operated Erin Tours which operated some routes under State permit in the Rockaways,Marine Park, etc
Metro Apple ceased operations in the mid 1990's
If any route were to be taken over by the TA it would have been the BM-15 route. But because of budget restraints then they never took over the route
Hope this helps
Thank You
It was no where near any Command Bus Route.
What you may be thinking about was the routes that Erin Tours operated in Marine Park area. I believe that one of them later became the current Command BM-4 Gerrittsen Beach route.
Thank You
I do not recall how their routes were numbered
Sorry
Orion VII-saw #7564 and the B63 and #7570-nothing else new.
I believe the sticker on them were recently updated indicating the new fares.
I'd doubt those kind of fareboxes will be around for sometime. Maybe when we have a Smartcard system in place...
David
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Does anyone know what lines this 7017 gets assigned to??? Can anyone assign it to S79???
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David
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9705, 9707 and 2116 all had no bike racks. 2116 does have a camera on board and 9707 has the route # H4 stuck in the back route number sign.
When was the last time this bus was on that route, maybe about around a year ago.
First off I got The Bus you know what on the 21 to New Carrolton. From there I got 9702 on the F6 going towards College Park Station. From there I got 9713 on the C8 going towards Rockville. This bus rattled with the plexiglass sheild behind the back door rattling furiously along with alot of the bus.
I got to Rockville, stopped off at White Flint Mall looked around made some calls, went to the Arby's and waited for the 46 to Rockville station. And then it rained and rained and rained. Finally 5618 pulled up and got on it, luckily I was under a shelter so I didn't get that wet. At Rockville got Orion I 5526 on the 63 and took it to Shady Grove, where I got on a crowded 5586 on the 55 going towards Lakeforest Mall. Apparently they don't dust, because I felt some while holding onto the rail. Stopped in at Lakeforest bought some stuff and went out to catch a bus to Rockville and up came 5577 on the 55 going back to Rockville. I was going to get on the 49 to Glenmont at Rockville but that bus was more crowded than anything else, so I decided to take the back way and take the 46 to the C8. At that time seemed like a bad mistake at that time. I was trying to see if I could get 9652 and saw that bus on the route C7.
I got 5565 on the route 46 and then after a 30 minute wait got 9713 again, on the same route (C8) going to Glenmont. I waited and let a C7 leave (it was using 9628-not repowered) and was waiting for the next one when up came 9652, but on the Y7 going to Wheaton. So I decided to get that bus and take it to Wheaton and then take the C2 to College Park. The ride was smooth and nice and compared to the same engine tranny version on the Ride On and repowered ones, it was a little slower, but still accelerated fast and a little quieter than the newer ones. It sounds like a cross between 90% DD50/Voith tranny on the Flxible 9800s and 10% 6V92 Orion.
I got to Wheaton,went to Wheaton Mall got a shirt and went out to catch the C2 to College Park. At the time I was waiting with five people and I thought OK, it won't be crowded. In about a minute about 35 more people came up just as the driver came back to start his run(the bus was off and the driver was in the station), still got a seat. I took the bus to College Park and for some unknown reason, traffic on University Boulevard was more crowded than usual and I don't know the reason why. Anyway I got to the University of Maryland
and thought that the next F6 was coming in about 25 minutes, but up came a F6 about 5 minutes later, apperently running late, which happened to be 9365 and took it back to New Carrolton. At New Carrolton and just missed the 6:45 F14 home, but did get you know what on the 21(The Bus) and took that home. I have already posted some of my observations before and will post some others for part two.
Wayne
These might be loaners but saw two Gillig 30 footers running for Gaithersburg routes. One was running on the 47 and I forgot what the other one was running on but the one running on the 47 was 5356 and the other one was 5343.
Later that day saw 8789 heading from Montgomery maybe doing a Q2 run. Also saw 8710 a route I forgot and 8714 about to do a Q2 run.
I saw ex Landover 8819 heading from Montgomery, they may have 8818 also. 9374 had one bike on it at Glenmont, in which this girl took it off and I think put it on Ride On 5145 because that bus left with one on. At University Boulevard and New Hampshire Avenue I saw what may have been a C40LF on the K6, but the bus was to far for me to see.
Saw another oddity in seeing 2119 on the J4. This route usually see only Metro Bs and Orion 9600s(repowered and original powered). Last but not least saw what may have been an F6 double header leaving the College Park Station heading towards Silver Spring.
PS: Also saw JD2462 doing an 83 run heading towards Cherry Hill.
Can Ride-On send out non-lift buses on blocks that are susposed to have lifts?
---Choo Choo
#3 West End Jeff
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David
On the Express side more folks are using the new 7 day Express Bus Plus MC then the old 30 day version, but not by much. The cash customers have switched from a couple of tokens to value MCs.
Robert
The TA credits us for MC useage, B-U-T the Unlimiteds are discounted as are the value cards that YOU get the bonus free ride on. Plus they charge us a "dip" charge as a processing fee. Well, all the data is on their computer which saves nycDOT the cost to have a duplicate system of their own.
Thanks
Steve
B12#4978
I have a question so maybe you all can help me. Was GMC RTS-04 #4219 ever in service before being sold to a hospital? I remember seeing bus #4219 on the Bx24 in Fordhma Plaza around Spring of 1988 as I was visitng my Grandfather at the Veterans Hospital off Jerome Av (last stop of the Bx32 I believe back then). If that bus was in service, was that bus with the Kingsbridge Bus Depot? Also, why was it sold to a hospital...why not just let it cointinue in service? If it was NOT in service with MaBSTOA, then why number the bus #4219? Thanks in advance to everyone who answers.
Wayne
As for Disney... it's anyones guess where a bus will go. Since we don't have fixed routes, any bus can go anywhere. But you can always count on the crappiest RTS's being used for employee shuttles, and the sporty shorties (35 footers) being used as Fort Wilderness internals. Other than that, it's mostly a crapshoot as to who gets what and where.
-Tyler-
Those agencies that rotate the fleet daily have usually experienced drivers who are less attentive and will drive a bus until it's dangerously in need of service.
The Star-Ledger had an article back in the late 80s about Academy driver Peter Knize. He took so much pride in his job and his 1987 MCI MC9B that he had a license plate made, that he installed next to the front NJ plate, that read "This bus driven with pride by Peter Knize" - Knize went to several national roadeos for his driving prowess.
-F.
-F.
WMATA also has a tendency to run the same type of bus on each run but hardly ever the same bus each day but since WMATA is bigger, it is harder to do that each day.
During the summer, Gaithersburg does a bit more shuffling than usual I think but it is still limited.
It's nice to have the same bus, as you get to know its peculiarities. And, I keep my bus CLEAN in the driver area. Not to brag, but I probably have the cleanest windshield in the agency!!
I drive for a bus company in the UK and it is quite common for the same bus to be allocated to the same run day in, day out. For example, the buses with the best heaters are generally used on the 'late' duties, ie those which stay out until the early hours. Of our fleet of double deckers, the slowest are generally allocated to just a school trip in the morning and afternoon and little else, whilst the faster ones are allocated to 'normal' service all day. Apart from this, a couple of drivers have their 'own' buses - for no reason, just they like to be the only one to drive them!
At the end of the day, allocating the better buses to longer duties helps keep the driver happy. Keep the driver happy, and you help keep your passengers happy. So it's better all round, and is not difficult to do.
Thanks.
At just before 4pm this afternoon a livery cab jumped the sidewalk at the intersection of Fulton and Adams St.(aka Brooklyn Bridge Blvd). It ran down five or six people either walking by or eating at the tables of the Pizzeria that is right on the corner. I saw the bus driver being attended to by both EMS and NYPD personnel. His bus was a Newflyer #880.
I sincerely hope the driver -- and all concerned -- will make full recoveries.
Peace
David
Presently the base fare for a ride on either bus or train is $1.35 with a 25¢ transfer to a second line. During night hours (9:00 P.M. - 5:00 A.M.) the fare on buses (but not trains) is reduced to 75¢. In addition tokens are sold at the rate of 10 for $9.00.
The new proposed fare structure is to lower the base fare 10¢ to $1.25, which I am sure the MTA will spin as a fare reduction, but it will eliminate tokens, transfers and the night rate. Instead of transfers the MTA will sell day passes on the bus and at train stations for $3.00 allowing unlimited rides for the whole day. In addition there will be a $10.00 increase in monthly passes from $42.00 to $52.00. It is possible under one option that tokens will be retained, but at a rate of 10 for $11.00. It is also still up in the air whether discounted fares (senior, student, disabled) will be increased.
All of the present passes are sight passes. The LACMTA has been investigating a MetroCard like system, but there has been no announcement of implementation, and with the present budget crunch it will probably be put off to better times. [also posted on Sub Talk]
Tom
No zones, no transfers, Day Pass sold on all buses and at Light Rail and Subway ticket machines.
Here's what I spotted in both Nassau and Suffolk Counties on my trip:
Suffolk County:
Orion 05.503 #9911 - not in service going east on Sunrise Hwy (looks like it might become the S54 from Patchogue)
Orion 05.503 #9921 - 3B to Happauge Government Center (saw this one on the Service Rd of Westbound Sunrise Hwy)
***SPOTTED THESE BUSES AT THE EBA TRANSPORTATION DEPOT IN NORTH AMITYVILLE!***
Flxible Metro-D #9301
Flxible Metro-D #9303 (This one had it's exhaust pipe raised up....similiar to a Neoplan AN440A from LA)
Gillig Phantom 40TB102 #913
Gillig Phantom 40TB102 #915
Gillig Phantom 40TB102 #912
***ALL GILLIGS HAD A WRAP AD IN THE BACK***
Nassau County:
Orion 05.501 CNG #354? - N19 to Babylon (saw this crossing the Sunrise Hwy at Louden Av?)
Orion 05.501 CNG #377 - N54 to Amityville (saw this on the Sunrise Hwy going east)
Orion 05.501 CNG #341 - N54 to Amityville (saw this one waiting to turn onto the Sunrise Hwy out of the block that Seaford LIRR Station is on.)
Orion 05.501 CNG #104 - Not in service (came out of Freeport LIRR Station and used the Sunrise Hwy to head back to the Rockville Centre Bus Depot)
Orion 05.501 CNG #222 - N62 Freeport Loop (saw this on Guy Lombardo Av going towards Freeport LIRR Station)
Orion 05.501 CNG #221 - N62 Freeport Loop (saw this from the boat leaving the Freeport Docks. The bus was going back to Freeport LIRR Station)
Orion 05.501 Diesel #6xx - N40 or N41 to Hempstead/Mineola (saw this bus on Guy Lombardo Av about to make a right turn onto Sunrise Hwy east.)
Well, that's about it! If you would like, please e-mail me! I'm dying for some e-mails. My address is NYCTMCID4500@aol.com
Enjoy!
Need to do a cost/benefit study.
No guarantee that the MTA would buy the properties. The owners could sell them to some other type of buyer would might use the building as a warehouse or a car dealer who'd use it as a service facility.
What i speculate is going to happen is that the MTA will most likely condem the Green Line depot on Rockaway Blvd under eminent domain laws if the MTA and Green Line can not agree on the price.
The Green Line Rockaway Depot will be used until September when i believe the final reorganization will be complete.
The Triboro Coach facility status depends if the MTA can put the Triboro Coach routes and equipment into the city owned Queens Surfice facility.
The Jamaica Bus Lines garage also depends on what the MTA is planning to do with the current DOB Jamaica Bus Depot on South Rd. At one point the MTA was planning to build a new depot to replace the current facility near Kennedy Airport. After the completion of that depot the TA was planning to rebuild the current Jamaica Depot. However i understand that that idea has been cancelled and the TA was considering closing the current Jamaica Depot with the routes being split between Stengel and Queens Village.
The status will also be determined on the following
1-The May 15th vote to merge the OA and the TA
2-What division the current Green Lines and Command Bus lines routes will be assigned to. There is a union jurisiction problem that has to be worked out yet because they are ATU routes and even though Command is a Brooklyn company the Brooklyn Division is TWU. One possible solution is that since Jamaica Bus and Command Bus are basically the same size Command drivers will operate the Jamaica Bus Line routes(with the current Jamaica Bus Line drivers being mnerged with the Queens Surfice,Triboro Coach,Liberty Lines Express and NYBS staffers and the Command routes being operated by the Brooklyn Division TWU drivers.)
Baically its to early to tell
Thank You
David
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Anyways, I don't want the 5025-5054 here. I'm disapponted with the set FP has. However, I would love to see 9186-9228 make it here. If that happened, I would never complain again. Also, I would like 9606-9618 to come to FP. Give UP 5025-5074, that should help them out.
Next It isn't what you want in Fresh Pond okay. Some of you people on this board need a reality check. The depot is not your HELLO if 126 st depot get assigned to Fresh pond and you can't stop them. Again and again FRESH POND DEPOT IS NOT YOUR DEPOT. Your handle need to be change to fresh pond
BTW, my handle was meant to represent FP's area.
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Also, does anyone know what buses are strictly stored there? (I did not see an indoor area for painting though.)
At ~9:10, I arrived at Crystal City, just as my scheduled yellow line train arrived. Breda train, #s unrecorded because my notebook was more soaked than I was. Rode this to Mt. Vernon Sq, transferred to a Green Line Breda train, still drenched and numberless. Arrived at Greenbelt on time at 9:54.
When I met Chris and Ray, we got on B30 #4395, which left about 4 minutes down, causing us to miss our #17 connection at BWI Airport*
*We aren't sure if we missed it or if it was late but when 10:40 came and went, we decided to take light rail. 10:46 departure, car 5022.
This is all I remember from my notes, which I cannot currently find. I will return ASAP/asaifmn (as soon as I find my notes!) to continue the report.
Like I said, we got on light rail 5022, rode to Lexington Market.
From there, we got a #91 bus, Flxible Metro-B #9015...this bus is now the infamous origin of the 9015 curse -- it was either overheated or the engine was about to die for some other reason, but it was the slowest bus I have ever ridden. There was one relatively flat hill on a street that begins with G (forgot the name) where the bus slowed to no more than 5mph, its engine struggling.
Well, after that excruciatingly long ride, we arrived at (near) Rogers Avenue Metro and caught an M6, a much better ride on NABI #9841. That ride ended at Security Square Mall, where we took a lunch break and got the #20, NABI #9857. We rode this bus to Baltimore & Eutaw and transfered to a #10, Flxible Metro-C(?) #9201, that took us to Eastern Division.
At Eastern, we walked around the yard, taking pictures of the various buses, including two of the "C" suburban Flxibles and an 8500 bus, number unknown.
We walked back up to Eutaw and got a #10, Flxible Metro E #9427. The driver of this bus was FAST and took us around curves at ~45-50mph.
At Fayette & Eutaw, we were lucky enough to get Flxible Metro-E #9539 on the #27 -- I think this is one of those five Metro-E's believed to have DD60 engines, except from the sound of it I'd say it was a DD50 because it was similar to WMATA's E's that have DD50 engines and...Voith(?) transmissions.
The #27 took us to Cherry Hill Station, where we got southbound light rail #5052 to Patapsco. We were on the way to BWI Airport on #5052 when a #17, NABI #0080 pulled into Patapsco. We decided to get off the train and take this #17, which was driven by no other than Adam Paul of Baltimore Transit Archives, www.btco.net. However, when we got on, he got off and bid us farewell -- his shift was over.
The #17 was a good ride, nice and quiet because the Clever box was not working, just as it hadn't been on any of the buses we took that day. But then, when we got into "the industrial park", it kicked on and we got about a 20 minute ride with uncalibrated Clever announcements.
We arrived at BWI Business District at 17:25, where B30 #4392 was waiting for us. We rode this to Greenbelt, and then decided that since it was only about 18:00, we should probably keep tripping. So, we caught C2 #4004 to Langley Park, got Ride On #5723 from there to Silver Spring, where Chris and Ray went their separate ways and I got #5301 on the S4. This bus had the "touch bar" on the rear door as Orion VI #2000 does. I rode this to Federal Triangle, got 13A #20xx and rode to the Pentagon, where I got #42xx on the 9A.
This is Adam. Sorry for my abrupt departure - my "copilot" had been riding with me for over 3 hours, and she was dying to get off that bus, and get some food. Otherwise, I'd have had a chance to chitchat a bit.
A couple of quick tidbits...
The 91 runs up Garrison Boulevard, and nearly every 9000 runs excruciatingly slow. They need to retire the 9000s and keep the 8700s running. just my 2¢!
All the 9500s have the series 50 engine, it's the 9431-9435 set that have the 60s.
Regarding the lack of stop announcements on the early part of your ride on the 17, that's the fault of the Clever Programmer or the Scheduling Department. The only existing programmed trip pattern for the 17 line destined to Arundel Mills is for the Sunday morning service that originates Downtown and travels out the Parkway directly to the industrial area and then out to the Mall, so by using the only one that's available, it won't call out the stops until Corporate Blvd. and Aero Drive.
FYI Chris D., I am going back on 5/24 using my itinerary (http://astf.iwebland.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=6) if you are free then.
Wayne
So we're running express via 4 Av stop at 36 St and then we're off but now things get a little odd and weird. At first we do good but then red signals and a slow moving T/O operating a R40 plague our run and its getting myself, the C/R, the T/O and fellow passengers upset. At times we CRAWL through the express tracks and we keep STOPPING THEN GOING and this goes on for quite some time. Then as we get stuck between Union St and Pacific the C/R says “Thank you for riding the MTA” and I felt ‘insulted’ ;-), BTW 2 R‘s & 2 W‘s passed us. It takes 28 minutes to get from 36 to Pacific, unbelievable >:-0. I decide to ride the B65 but at the time I didn’t feel like waiting for the R or W to Court St since I got so frustrated with the N and missed the W anyway so I got off and walked through the 2/3 platform and got out the LIRR side so I don’t have to cross any streets. A timeline:
3:41-Left 95 St
3:45-Arrive at 59 St
3:50-Leave 59 St
3:54-Arrive 36 St
3:55-Leave 36 St
4:23-Arive at Pacific St
So I wait until the B41 comes so I hop on 4619 and the driver is aggressive since he went from the right lane to the left and turned before most of the cars J. So it’s a quick ride to Smith St where I go to catch the 65 but it just left so I have to run to Boerum Place & Fulton so I don’t miss it. I hop on 891 and then we’re off; this is my first time riding it. So at first it’s a slow ride since there’s a moderate amount of traffic via Atlantic & Dean St up to Flatbush Av. Then it gets pretty crowded on the bus and we still go rather quickly via Dean St then I decide to take the B15. If I caught a JFK bus then I would ride it but then I decided I wanted to ride the Rockaways buses so I caught a Postal Facility bus and I took it to ENY Av where the B12 is just arriving at Ralph Av. So I get on 8697 heading to Alabama Av and it’s a nice quick ride via ENY Av until I reach the last stop at Alabama and I go upstairs to wait for the J train.
I wait about 2 minutes then the J makes the turn from Broadway Junction and arrives at Alabama and I get the RF window. So the T/O is pretty aggressive and took about 20 minutes to go to Jamaica Center where I would go to catch the Q113 toward Far Rockaway. So as soon as I come out of the station, the Q113 is about to arrive at Parsons & Archer and I get 3862, ex QV bus 290. They should have LTD stop service on the 111 & 113, seriously, they could make the 113 a LTD on most hours it runs since ridership is moderate to heavy. For those who never rode this route, you don’t know what you’re missing out on ; so we go down via Brewer and 147 Av rather quickly although its accel wasn’t great, after 15mph its speedy. Then we go through Nassau and we fly down Rockaway Turnpike and some of the other streets it runs on until I finally reach my stop at Mott Av & Beach 20 St. Then I see the Q22 just leaving B 21 St so I have to run to the next stop which is at Cornaga Av but I make it & I got a Orion for the first time on the 22.
The bus looked good but the side windows were a bit foggy. So we have a pretty good crowd and we have good stretches of making no stops which in turn gives good speed and we’re doing good via Rockaway Beach Blvd until I reach B 116 St, where I get off to catch the Q35; so then I walk down 116th to Newport Av and the Orion on the 35 was waiting there. So the driver pulls up and I grab the front seat then we depart and we hardly make any stops via Newport Av then we make the other turns until we make the stop at Breezy Point. After that, we head towards Brooklyn and we go through the tolls then we do GREAT speed via Flatbush Av, going 60mph at its peak and we made every light except ONE; but that was the one before Ave V.
So then there’s a little gridlock at Avenue U and then we make some stops via Flatbush Av so we skip some where passengers might of wanted to get on it then at Av J, this dumbass car cuts off the bus and the bus nearly SLAMMED into it and the B/O had to grab this lady standing behind the line since the stop was so sudden, luckily we were leaving the bus stop had we went a little faster well a accident would have been likely. The driver says “I wish I hit him you know”, I think he was being sarcastic and joking but it shows how dangerous driving a bus is. Then we arrive at Nostrand Av and I wait for the B41 to come so 4625 comes and I take it to Foster Av and I wait for the B8 at Flatbush Av. So I wait 10 minutes until NF 947 comes and I take it home.
NF 895 B8
R46 5815 (R)
R40M 4475 (N)
RTS 4619 B41
NF 891 B65
RTS 5222 B15
RTS 8697 B12
R42 4875 (J)
JB RTS 3862 Q113
GB Orion 5536 Q22
GB Orion 5543 Q35
RTS 4625 B41
NF 947 B8
Something I like to do, but find uncomfortable when the elderly start coming onto the bus.
>>we make the stop at Breezy Point<<
That stop just before getting on to the bridge is actually considered "Roxbury", not Breezy Point. Breezy Point is a couple of miles west of there.
If I saw elderly citizens, I wouldn't have sat there but since the bus wasn't that crowded I was like why not :0).
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BTW, I have heard that Access-A-Ride (bus co. for the handicapped) will also have a Rodeo this summer at the same site.
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Ride-On's CNG facility is next to an interstate and a WMATA parking garage.
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Greenwood Cemetary is to the north of Gleason; to the east is the 36 St MOW yard. West and south of the depot are houses, and I'm sure their occupants would dispute this FACT. If population density was the deciding factor, then Hudson Pier and Stengel would be CNG.
More environmentally friendly to it's neighbors
No emissions on the street, no noise pollution, all the pollution control is done at the powerplant - no need to haul emission control stuff around, better acceleration - better torque, smoother running, no volatiles anywhere closer than the nearest car.
Lets see, once you put in the wires, and order the busses en masse you'd probably end up with quite a deal.
NY has all the raw materials to make such fuels. The NY TImes reported a few months back that NYC predouced enough waste cooking oil per to power all NY stated transit buses for two years. IF blended with ether and low sulfer sythetic or petrolium based deseil, biodesil does not require any mechanical engine modifications. In fact it has proven to improve engine performance in older engines by providing addtional lubrication
the high cost of biodesiel is based on creating the fuel from virgin plants. Virgin cooking oil cost nearly 5 times more money then the same amount of petrolium. using uswd oil not only reduces the cost but created a new local industry that creates jobs and generates tax revenue
Synthetic deseil is produced from old tires,garbage, suwasge sludge etc, thier are a few promising oost effective technologies that are curretly seeing thier first large schale feild test right now. The results from these test will be promising
http://baesystemscontrols.com/FactSheets/transit.pdf
RTS Deseil 3.5 MPG
NFI CNG - 3.4 MPG
Orion VII hybrid 5.3 MPG
"In chassis testing, the Orion VII Hybrid bus produced 97% less carbon monoxide, 95% fewer particulates (the black smoke commonly associated with diesel combustion), half the nitrogen oxide, and one-third fewer of the "greenhouse" gases believed to contribute to global warming. Hybrid bus fuel economy was significantly improved over that of a standard diesel bus as well"
In addition the hybrid drive bus gets nearly twice the fuel econmoy of the CNG bus and 25% better fuel econmoy the a deseil engine as tested by BAE on an Orion VII bus. I can not find the page that stated the exzct info on BAE site anymore
Combined with low sulfer gas and biodeseil mixture the bus is more environmently freindly .
I am an astmna sufferer and a big fan of CNG. Hybrid electric technology has surpassed CNG in my opiion as the best way to go. Add to the fact that new promising ways to turn waste items such as used cooking oil, old tiresd, sewafe slege and garbage intosysthetic deseil, Deseil technology is becoming more environmentally sound and a better choice.
http://www.baesystems.com/newsroom/2003/may/070503news1.htm
I posted on another post the MPG of Hybrid vs CNG vs Standard desiel but it compares three differen model buses not giving a true comaprison
But a diesel-electric hybrid will eventually have to emit some diesel exhaust at the site of the bus, and here the straight electric ETB and the Diesel Electric hybrid differ. An ETB will NEVER release ANY particulate matter as it goes down the street. Also electric motors are just better for accelerating busses out of stops, far better than a Diesel, which likes to run at constant speed.
At the same time there are routes on which ETBs are impractical, on any freeway express bus it will no doubt be impractical to try to electrify, and it is here that Hybrids could really be used, although perhaps Duo-mode busses like Seattle Metro's Bredas might be a better idea. Short routes with frequent stops should be considered for electrification, since the electric powerplants would take to the frequent pullouts required.
Really it'd be nice to see straight Diesels phased out from transit bus service, but thats rather unlikely to happen.
Just my .02 turkish lira.
As for maintance, The hybrid drive system has less mechanical parts, has no transmission and is projected to require LESS mainainace. Since the engine runs at one costant rpm, their is far less stres on the engine that conventional transmission driven buses.
The htbrid drives electrical and engine control computers are solid state thus are virtually maintance free.
As for the buses power the technology is still evolving, the batter packs and other equiptment is gettting lighter and more powerful. Plus the curb wait is reduced because the bus does not need to carry as much fuel to complete it's daily route
The new toyota secound genreation prius gasoline electric car is both larger, gets better fuel economy and is faster off the starting line and more power for highway pasing
If the ELB you are speaking of needs catanary trolly wires, that is far more expenseive to maintian and install then utilizing the far more effecive deseil elctric hybrid technology. Plus polution is create at the power plant level, with a large portion coming from coal fired plants.
Low sulfer fuel, syntheic deseil and biodeseil blends reduce much of the harmfull emmissions of deseil.
10 years ago my view was that deseil needed to go for health reasons. In light of the major improvements in technology my opinion has cahanges. Due the reasearch, your opinion will change also.
http://baesystemscontrols.com/FactSheets/transit.pdf
CNG is will only ignight and explode if it is in a very high concentration in the air.
CNG bus if it were to catch on fire would be less likly to cause a violent explosion then if deseil fuel would tank would catch fire.
Source Keyspan energies web site
An unbiased source, no doubt ;)
For CNG to burn it must be in concentrations of aboe 75% of the volume of air. to explode it must be also confined into an extremly confied space
Deseil on the other hand, will ignight and explode in much smaller quantities. Since deseil fuel has a higher energy component per unit. when ignighted it ignights much quicker. The energy density of deseil is whar makes it such and effecient fuel
The added dangers of cng arrise in the fact that it is not noticable as easily once released.
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Orion Is were produced from 1980 to early 1993 (and as early as 1977 if you count the similar TMC Citycruiser), so even the newest ones are starting to get old.
They were never that common in big cities. Buffalo and Indianapolis were probably the largest US systems to operate significant amounts of Orion 01s, though hundreds of small systems across the country had/have them - everywhere from Wenatchee, WA to Pocatello, ID to Lexington, KY to to Port Arthur, TX to Sarasota, FL to Port Huron, MI to Oneota, NY. And that's just to name a few.
They were offered in 30-, 35-, and 40-foot versions, with the 40-footers being the most rare.
RIPTA had a handful of 1980 Citycruisers.
Thanks for the info anyway, though.
Here's an Orion II for you:
Owned by the Washignton Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) Metrobus, Washington, DC
Carlton
Cleanairbus
Transit Is My Drug
CU Transit's Orion I's had front wheelchair lifts, A/C units, and an enlarged front destination sign (Scroll). I never got a chance to ride on those Orions, but I did ride on the Ithaca Transit Orion I's many times. I could be mistaken, but I beleive CU Transit ran 40 footers... It's been awhile, though.
About the time when I was there, they had just purchased a few 35 foot RTS's... nice buses... Now they have some Nova LFS's and some New Flyer low floors.
-Tyler-
The first RTS I ever rode:
http://members.aol.com/disneybusdriver/tcatrts.jpg
Here's one of CU Transit's Orion's on a lift... This was when they were converting the paint jobs over. The blue splots came first, the swoops later.
http://members.aol.com/disneybusdriver/shop.jpg
Now that I look at it, I guess maybe they were 35 footers... Hrmm *shrug*
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TCAT also now has a fake trolley (ugh!):
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And have you seen Academy's fancy new J4500? I've seen it every day on Battery Place. Is that thing in line-haul or doing charters? It has an updated paint scheme.
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The J is essentially the E's body on the D-series suspension. It was developed to be a lower-cost version of the E, and is mechanically easier to work on, thus its appeal for line service (Peter Pan, Adirondack, etc.), and its higher sales to charter operators (same basic looks of the E, but at a lower price).
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Although the E looks really nice with the frameless windows, the J still looks better... the rear end with the styled tail lights really makes the difference. Of course, one thing that might really help out (at least the ones I see)... The J is fairly brand new... so they won't be as beat up as some of the older E's...
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In the case of the E4500, I can't see how MCI would allow their J4500 have a nicer rear end than their flagship model, the E4500. So I assume they made some changes to it, besides just the frameless windows.
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From what I have seen from all the charter buses down at Disney, I haven't seen any real differences to the E4500's rear cap on the framed versus frameless models... The only difference I've noticed was the MCI logo.
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They started appearing sometime within the last year... Most of the E4500's that I see are framed, however... Not a lot of E4500's down here, actually...
The Prevost H3-45 is another one that offered frameless windows a few years back, I see many more of those. I wish VanHool would offer frameless windows, it'd go well with thier buses. Since ABC Bus is in the next town over, we have a lot of VanHool's in the area. See them most often.
-Tyler-
Yes, I've seen some of those...about an even mixture of framed and framless. The local charter companines where I lived growing up (and going to summer camp, etc) only had MCI's and Prevosts so of coursse the H3-45 was my favorite, it being the highest of the ground. Speaking of which, one charter company had a bus that said L.A.G. on it. That was the only manufacturer type reference I could ever find on it. Do you know what kind of bus this was? I'm going back quite a few year here, but it was around during the time of the early Le Mirage XL's and looked sort of like an H3-45. Late 1980's...
---Choo Choo
I don't know much about these buses, but I beleive they are "L.A.G. Panoramics"... There are a few down here, late 80's vintage... European buses... They remind me of a VanHool, but I'm not sure they are related. That's about all I know.
-Tyler-
Thanks! A quick google search found two links showing photos of L.A.G. Panoramics. Seems they come from Belgium.
---Choo Choo
Oh, yeah, I have seen them numerous times, I always seem to bump into them very often...they are used for charters, afaik, but I think I may have seen one on a commuter run from Wall Street one time after they cleared up ground zero, but idk...
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453 B9
454 B9
456 B63
457 B37
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http://talk.nycsubway.org/cgi-bin/bustalk.cgi?read=70097
That's where I am getting my information, from that and other posts about old buses and where they originated. For that, I thank the other bustalkers who provided me with the information.
Over here in good old England we enthusiasts have the 'luxury' of various books ['fleetbooks'] detailing the fleets of all bus operators in the U.K, complete with details of chassis, body, seating etc. Generally these run to about 100+ pages of A6 paper, some including photos.
I understand that there is nothing quite the same in the U.S, but could anyone out there please clarify just what is available - and how it can be obtained. Is there any similar data online?
Cheers,
Dale
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M23-#3064T-New Flyer D60LF
And for all those concerned, Orion V #413 is back in service on the M104 route. Saw it going toward 1st Av Friday AM at 11:00am
The Community name is still used on the new D4500's received from the State of NJ in the past few weeks (high 8700's).
Community Coach home page
I'll repeat: Community is a DIVISION of HTL, and their name is right there at the bottom of the CC webpage. If you're not sure what "division" means in the business world, it means you exist in name only, and the parent company owns and controls you. Just as with Leisure Line, Community is just a name - HTL calls the shots.
The PDF version can be had here.
Here is the official web site of "The Bus".
John
The Bus runs pure CRAP, and I use this term very loosely. I have heard their maintenance shoddy. The crap they have are Chumpions, Startrans oversized delivery vans with windows, and some rolling super van crap that can only hold a total of 24 people(note the bus has twenty four seats. Their only redeeming qualities are the fact they run Thomas SLFs, Thomas TL960s and Gilligs. Their hours are only 5am -7:30 pm Monday thru Friday, with no plans for weekend service or even service after 8pm. The better routes are the 20 and 21, they run the better stuff, though they have now been sneaking those delivery vans on that route ruining it.
I don't know who is worse, I haven't seen Community Coach, but THE BUS is by far the worse in the DC area, but I been hoping some day either WMATA takes over their routes(that won't happen anytime in the future, you have a better chance of seeing Flxible coming back), they get better crap, or they let me take it over(I have a management degree, need to put it to use).
Their drivers seem to be friendly though, and some of their routes do get decent ridership, when people actually know what route it is they are on as most of the buses are not programmed to display a route number or a destination.
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Robert
Hope this helps,
Brian
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David
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And it was pretty darn classy.
Peace,
ANDEE
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TDH-5303AC 5000 Series
T6H-5305A 5100/5200 Series
T6H-5309A/10A 5300/5400/5500 Series
GMC's "TDH" designation with 40-foot transit models only went up to 5304 and then they switched to the "T6H/T8H" in which the number indicated 6 or 8-cylinder engine.
Wayne
Example:
B8 VA HOSP 18 AVENUE Of course these colors are the bckground colors but you see what I'm saying.
Anyone know what that is, very new indeed.
Have not seen her again since
RTS 9409 B41 LTD
Orion VII 7575 B8
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-Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
Warren Woodberry, Jr. of The Daily News reports that "Transit Alliance", aka Green Bus; Triboro Coach & Jamaica Bus have secured the serviced of a Long Island realestate firm (Lighthouse Retail Partners LLC of Lynbrook) to put their property up for sale.
Jamie Van Bramer, a spokesman for the Transit Alliance said "Until we are provided with further details, we continue to operate under the assumption that the June 30th date that we have read in the newspaper is accurate, and therefore we are starting to move forward."
Disclaimer: I don't work for any of these companies, MTA, TA or nycDOT and am speaking just for my self.
While this is not a good sign for the Coopers, they will still own the properties as of 6/30.
Remember the state can take these properties via eminate domain laws. The coopers are trying to push up the selling price as far as possible.
If the MTA were smart they would revive some of the new depot lans they have shelved and not deal with these charaters at all, The property near JFK may have some nice value
Where are the buses and routes going?
For example, will the Q32 be based solely at Casey Stengle?
Okay, the Q32 is NOT going to be solely with Casey Stengel. It will be split by CS and MJQ. Also, MJQ will get the following routes:
M6, M8, M9, M14A and M14D, M16, M21, M22 and M34
Quill will drop the following:
M86, M96, and M102 to 100th St when it reopens
Manhattanville will get the M11 and/or M104 and give up the M101 and M103. Although, I've been told by my source at the DOB that the M101 OR M103 may stay at MV. I doubt it but with the MTA you never know.
Hope that helps!
David
These decisions are made by the Department of Buses with input from Operations Planning, and are made based on a great deal of analysis of current and projected fleet sizes vs. depot capacity. What seems to make sense to the casual observer might not make operational sense when all factors are weighed, or even if it does make sense, it might not be feasible given other circumstances that might not be evident to the casual observer.
David
David
It is too early to speculate what depots will get the equipment depending on when new CNG's arruve for West Farms and new articulated buses arrive for 100th Street
Thank You
When the MTA takes over the seven private bus lines will each company retain its name, buses, colors? Or will the change be outright with all buses painted like the rest of the NYC fleet? And what is the likelihood of service cuts on these lines?
Rich
If the MTA and the NYC Department of Transporation can work an agreement the MTA will take over the routes of the following companies as of July 1st,2003
They are : Command Bus Company Inc.
Green Bus Lines Inc.
Jamaica Buses Inc.
Liberty Lines Express Inc.
Queens Surfice Corporation
Triboro Coach Corporation
Basically the above companies will go out of the transporation business but Green Bus Lines, Jamaica Buses Inc. and Triboro Coach Corporation may still remain in business as a real estate company should the MTA not purchase their garages. They have been other posts about this the past few days including several by myself.
Queens Surfice Corporation and Command Bus Company Inc will most likely go out of business completely since these companied do not own their garages.
I do not know if Liberty Lines Express owns its own garage or not but the company will be out of the transporation business. Please note that Liberty Lines Express has a sister company Liberty Lines Transit which currently operates most of the Westchester County Bee Line system under contract will remain in business.
The last private company New York Bus Service Inc. has decicded to terminate their contract with the NYC Department of Transporation. They will continue to operate their lines until June 30th . New York Bus Service Inc. will remain in business and continue to operate its school bus service. They also own their own garage which they will need to operate their school buses.
Since the City of New York already owns all of the buses except for 28 buses that New York Bus Service Inc owns and still operates the buses will have the New York City Transit signs painted on. Will the buses be completely repainted depends on how long NYC Transit plans to keep them. Green,Command,Jamaica and Triboro are still operating 1985 GMC RTS's. All of the companies still operate 1988/89 MCI Classics.
They will most likely be service adjustments to bring these lines to guidelines that the MTA currently uses. Some consolidations and cuts will occur but then agin you might see improved service on some routes too.
I believe that the TA is currently working out these details and i speculate that if any changes are to be made will be done for the September 2003 pick.
Hope this helps you
Thank You
The article stated that the MTA is planning new depots for queens which could consolidate not jsu tthe privates but other MTA routes
I think the problem is that neither the City nor the TA is talking to anybody. I would guess the suits at the MTA are waiting for the budget to be resolved in Albany & then for instructions for George.
Disclaimer: I'm not involved in this process in any way, so I'm speaking just for myself, not my employeer, the MTA, TA, or nycDOT.
The ridership numbers do not look big, but anyone who rides these lines knows that the riders pore off the q express and fill two buses easily at one time with each ariving train, the perfect application for the artics
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The CNG tank if punctures may errupt into a fire but the deseil tank due to deseil higher energy content will preduce a much more ferosious explosion. Plus the CNG tank is not one large tank but rather a series of smaller tanks. IF one tank catches fire, it is not as big a deal then f one large deseil tank on the bus catches fire. The CNG tanks should be places under the bus just as the deseil tank. With proper ventalation shafts and the fact that it takes a rather large concentration of CNG to catch fire. It is safer. The requirement to put the tanks on top was written by politicians not scietists
CNG refiling requires more sensors and precsasuin due to the fact that it is less obvious when the fuel is leaking then deseil.
When the notion of hybrid electric, and cleandeseil came out 10 years ago, I thought that there is no way that it could be as clean as CNG
I was wrong, I admitt it. Sit in front of the NYP library on 42nd street. In the early 1990's the smoke was so thick that the air ws black and with my asthma it was hard to breath. today, with the CNG, and clean desil the air is clear. I ofen study on the steps
Hybrid technology that operates at the engines sweet spot for both effeciency and cleanliness. The emmissions are every bit as cleanas CNG at half the operating costs.
5 years ago I would have advocated buying only CNG buses, today hybrid drive technology is the better value. Add in the low sulfer and biodeseil and synthetic deseil from old tires. plastics and certain other wastes and hybrid deseil electric is the way to go until fuel cells are widely available.
The infrastucture investments already made for CNG are not wasted a they may be useful for the introduction of fuel cells. Currently we don't know what form the hydrogen for feul cells will come in. It is looking more and more that they will come up with some sort of liquid carrier for the hydrogen
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I think the rejection of the RTS hybrid had something to do with the mta decisions to go with low floors. I read an MTA planning board notes from a fre years ago which planned to repower some RTS's with hybrid drive
Keep in mind that the current order is the first productuin deployment of hybrid drive, The older orion VI were used to test the system in production with improvemnts made based on the real world test. I've read that the orion VI performed less the expectation n the fuel economy area for which the new orion VII is much improved. Orions problems with orion VII may be a blessing in disguis as it gave BAE more time to further improve the technology. BAE was not working with any other bus manufacturer thus were not able to deploy the hybrid drive system anywhere else
Deseil elctric is a better altrnative because it does not require major changes to depots plus hybrid drive buses get double the MPG vs CNG
CNG technology could be improved but thier is no pressure by TA's to do so
However, the hybrid bus is more expensive to buy than a comparable CNG bus and a diesel version is always the cheapest and there is limited availability of biodiesel and low sulfur diesel. A CNG bus is no more dangerous than a diesel version and, depending on the transit agency operating them, they are more flashy than their diesel sisters. Either one would be a welcome compliment to any transit agency's fleet. Despite their hefty price tag, you can't put a price on keeping our air clean.
As for CNG canisters rupturing when involved in an accident. They are just as likely to rupture in an accident as Deseil canosters. Since CNG canisters are ussually made of highe stregnth steal(becasue they are presurized) they are stronger and thus less likely to rupture. They are more valunerable on top of the bus then under the bus inside the streal fram where the deseil tanks are
I read the concern was if they ruptured the gas would rise and leak into the cabin roasting the cabin. Some well placed vents would solve the problem
As for the addtional costs of Hybrid electric. They will come down in time. the technology in buses(which is totaly different then the technlogy toyota uses for cars) is still concidered experimental in nature with the amount of energy savings getting better all the time.
Toyota doubled the power of it's hybrid system while increasinf fuel economy.
Low sulpher deseil will be widly available in a few years as it will be required by the federal govenment for all deseil vehicles. Low sulpher fuel which NYCT will be using in all of it's buses shortly cuttrntly costs more improving the ROI of buying hybrid electric technology.
Biodeseil is starting to gain traction as a partial alternative. As the business people start running the numbers, they will see it has merits. The nmbers work out better when you use wait cooking oils from such sources as resturants, food processors. In addtion with the huge grouth in popularity of soy protiens, the current waste product is soy oil which is purfect for biodeseil
A McDonalds franchise owner in CA is looking into starting a biodeseil fuel company collecting waste fryer and grill oil which he now pays to have cart away and reprosses the oil into biodeseil
A long island company called changing world technologies
As for CNG canisters rupturing when involved in an accident. They are just as likely to rupture in an accident as Deseil canosters. Since CNG canisters are ussually made of highe stregnth steal(becasue they are presurized) they are stronger and thus less likely to rupture. They are more valunerable on top of the bus then under the bus inside the streal fram where the deseil tanks are
I read the concern was if they ruptured the gas would rise and leak into the cabin roasting the cabin. Some well placed vents would solve the problem
As for the addtional costs of Hybrid electric. They will come down in time. the technology in buses(which is totaly different then the technlogy toyota uses for cars) is still concidered experimental in nature with the amount of energy savings getting better all the time. NYCT order is concidered the first commersial deployment of hybrid electric technology. The orion VI currently running were the prototypes to work out potential issues
Toyota doubled the power of it's hybrid system while increasin fuel economy and highway passing power. the same will occur for buses. Improved batteries have already allowed the system in the Orion VII to recapture more energy from the regenerative braking. These batteries are also lighter
Low sulpher deseil will be widly available in a few years as it will be required by the federal govenment for all deseil vehicles. Low sulpher fuel which NYCT will be using in all of it's buses shortly currently costs more improving the ROI of buying hybrid electric technology.
Biodeseil is starting to gain traction as a partial alternative. As the business people start running the numbers, they will see it has merits. The numbers work out better when you use wait cooking oils from such sources as resturants, food processors. In addtion with the huge grouth in popularity of soy protiens, the current waste product is soy oil which is purfect for biodeseil
Biodeseil from virgin sources will continue to be expensive until they generoctly engineer a plant that will preduce more oil per acre.
A McDonalds franchise owner in CA is looking into starting a biodeseil fuel company collecting waste fryer and grill oil which he now pays to have cart away and reprosses the oil into biodeseil
A long island company called changing world technologies is working with conagra foods to utilize waste from chickens to reprosess into sythetic deseil
With govenment now cracking down on the environmental aspects of agricultureal production it is forcing food companies to relook at the way they dispose of wastes. New technologies are converting these wastes into energy in an environmentally sound manner
Another potential source for biodeseil is sewage sludge. Thier a few companies working on technologies to preduce increased methan(CNG) hydrogen and convering the remaing sludge into systhetic deseil
Yet another trchnology being put into it's first full scale refinery creates dydnthetic deseil from plastic bottles.
Their are plenty of ideas that are fianlly recieving some funding by private industy in respoce to the low sulfer requirement and may create opurtuities for cities such as NYC which has huge waste streams monitize the waste creating new indudtries and helping the envirnmnet and reduce the the need for foreign oil.
Instead of waisting money drilling for oil in the artic natioanl reserve which will cost taxpayers billions in subsifies to build the pipeline and for which it is estimated to cost $12 a barrel to extract. If the govenment would funnel more money into these technologies, we could preduce more deseil fuel then all the oll in alaska plus reduce the cost to local cities for waste removal
Sorry for the lecture. Get more info on Biodeseil at http://www.biodiesel.org/
It is unfortunit that federal money is being focused on how to make boidesil into a farm subsidies bill rather then use waste oil which brings down the costs and makes it more economical
A:RB-Bech 98 & from RB-Howard Beach/JFK Sunday only 6am-6pm
L:Broadway Junction-Rockaway Pkwy
1:215-242 St
7:Willets Pt-Main St [I can imagine this one]
I'm gonna try to ride all 4 this weekend but not in the same day.
PORT AUTHORITY SETS MAY 21 ON SERVICE REDUCTION AND FARE INCREASE PROPOSALS
Pittsburgh, PA -
Port Authority will hold a public hearing on several service reduction and fare increase options on May 21 from noon to 8:00 p.m. in room 408 of the David L. Lawrence Convention Center in Downtown Pittsburgh.
Port Authority is presenting several service reduction and fare increase options for public consideration and comment, including:
Elimination of Sunday and holiday bus, rail, Monongahela incline and ACCESS services;
Drastic reductions in Saturday bus, rail, Monongahela incline and ACCESS services;
Weekday peak hour bus, rail, Monongahela incline and ACCESS service reductions;
Elimination of weekday bus, rail, Monongahela incline and ACCESS service after 9:00 p.m.;
Elimination of Saturday bus, rail, Monongahela incline and ACCESS service after 9:00 p.m.;
Elimination of special event shuttle services (Fourth of July, Regatta, Pittsburgh Steelers' and University of Pittsburgh football games, and other special events);
Increase in the base fare to $2 and proportionate increases in pre-paid passes and tickets.
All service reductions will be effective August 31, 2003 and any fare increase will be implemented in January 2004.
Port Authority is facing a $19 million deficit in its next fiscal year, beginning July 1, 2003, primarily due to years of stagnant and reduced state funding, which include a $5 million reduction in state funding in the current fiscal year and a 6 percent reduction in state funding in the next fiscal year, and a weakened economy.
Port Authority has been aggressively reducing administrative costs by implementing hiring, wage and salary freezes, laying off 85 employees, eliminating 33 administrative positions (10 percent of the administrative workforce), and reducing training, travel and marketing expenditures, among other actions.
"Although these actions are saving millions of dollars and we will continue to seek and implement additional expense reductions, they are not sufficient to eliminate the budget deficit"said Port Authority Chief Executive Officer Paul P. Skoutelas. ?Therefore, without increased state funding, Port Authority has no option but to consider raising fares and reducing service. We have done, and are continuing to do, everything we can to minimize the effects of these actions on our customers.?
Individuals wishing to testify at the hearing are encouraged to pre-register prior to the public hearing by calling (412) 566-5103 weekdays from 9 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., or the TTY number, (412) 231-7007, for the speech and hearing impaired. Oral testimony will be limited to three minutes per speaker. Persons who have not pre-registered can register at the hearing and will be called upon to speak as time slots become available.
Individuals wishing to testify in writing should address their comments to Port Authority Fare and Service Proposal, Heinz 57 Center, 345 Sixth Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15222-2527. Public comments are also being accepted at Port Authority?s Web site, www.RideGold.com. The deadline for receipt of written comments is 4:30 p.m. on May 28, 2003.
Information on the proposals soon will be available on Port Authority's Web site and at the Authority?s Downtown Service Center, 534 Smithfield Street, on buses and light rail vehicles, at Port Authority pass and ticket sales outlets and at all major schedule rack locations, including all downtown subway stations
Locally it's known as Port Autrocity Transit and/or Pretty Awful Transit. Then there's the new mottor of "Gold Standard" which brings up all kinds of possibilities.
I've been on some very crowded M98's.
-F.
Peace!
DaShawn
-F.
IINM, a Fishbowl artic wasn't possible without the Classic nose; the door was too narrow for the increased loading capacity an artic needs.
-F.
I don't think Flxible would have licensed it to GMC :)
The RTS artic is cool, but the New Look artic was quite ugly. I have seen Classic artics, and they are sharp as well.
If you want to see Classic artics, check out Canadian Transit fan sites. These type of buses are very rare, and are seen in Canada only.
Also, the New Look's front in that picture looks the same as an MCI Classic.
BIG AL
All in all, I fail to see why you loathe them so.
Service Interruptions
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DELAYS
None at his time.
DETOURS (See below for long term detours)
None at this time.
MISSED TRIPS
Route 42 @ 3:16 P.M. from Medical Center Metro to Glenmont Metro.
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---Choo Choo
Where did this drill take place? I want to say to the south of Seattle, maybe around the Duamish Basin, next to the I-5 - West Seattle Freeway interchange, but I could be wrong. I also saw several D60HF "Slopeback Flyers" pass on the Freeway behind them while they were doing it. Behind the site at one angle, from 'ground zero' back toward 970 you could see some busses, I couldn't tell if they were Motorcoaches or transit busses, let alone a model.
---Choo Choo
--Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
We are currently battling a copyright issue....so please do us that favor.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.org
--Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
Carlton
Cleanairbus
"Incognito"
Oh by the way, can you name the hit 80`s movie that had an opening scene with a lot of SEPTA buses and trains in action ?
Hint: one of the stars has a movie out now.
Can you name this flick?
The maroon stripe was added in 1971, but the 1972 Flxibles were painted in the scheme without the stripe. The Fishbowls had a wide stripe, but the Flxibles had a narrow stripe under the windows (as seen on historic bus 6569).
Starting in 1971, all rehabbed PCC's and Red Arrow trolleys got painted in the famous "Gulf Oil" scheme of orange, white and a blue stripe.
The interior of the buses were radically different. The '72 flxibles
had an array different seating types. The '73 Flxibles had red seats with blue inserts (exceptipn 6294-6313, 284-293 blue soft seaters). The '74/75 Flxibles had the yellow seats with brown inserts (see the interior of 6569). The interior colors of the '72 and '73 Flxibles were blue, but the '74/75 Flxibles were yellow (except 6314-6363, and 360-408 which had a blue interior and soft seats.)
All of that changed in 1977 when the first Red, Whit and Blue scheme came out. The red and blue stripe shrunk when the RTS arrived and stayed that way over the course of all the Neoplan deliveries (The exceptions were the original deliveries of the Kawasaki cars, the rehabbed PCC's, and the AM general TT's. The stripe shrunk as they were repainted in the 80`s). The present scheme arrived with the coming of the NABI's.
The maroon stripe was added in 1971, but the 1972 Flxibles were painted in the scheme without the stripe. The Fishbowls had a wide stripe, but the Flxibles had a narrow stripe under the windows (as seen on historic bus 6569).
Starting in 1971, all rehabbed PCC's and Red Arrow trolleys got painted in the famous "Gulf Oil" scheme of orange, white and a blue stripe.
The interior of the buses were radically different. The '72 flxibles
had an array different seating types. The '73 Flxibles had red seats with blue inserts (exceptipn 6294-6313, 284-293 blue soft seaters). The '74/75 Flxibles had the yellow seats with brown inserts (see the interior of 6569). The interior colors of the '72 and '73 Flxibles were blue, but the '74/75 Flxibles were yellow (except 6314-6363, and 360-408 which had a blue interior and soft seats.)
All of that changed in 1977 when the first Red, White and Blue scheme came out. The red and blue stripe shrunk when the RTS arrived and stayed that way over the course of all the Neoplan and Volvo deliveries (The exceptions were the original deliveries of the Kawasaki cars, the rehabbed PCC's, and the AM general TT's. The stripe shrunk as they were repainted in the 80`s). The present scheme arrived with the coming of the NABI's.
Congratulations to 1/c Ballston!
The opening sequence showed some New Look Flxibles and GM's, and some of the 8285-8434 Neoplans (the first batch of Neoplans), as well as some of the old "Almond Joys" MFSE Budd cars.
By covering the advertisement, and the paint scheme with the green tape, they can then take the footage, run it through the computer, and add whatever logos and advertisements they want.
I'd guess it was for a movie... I doubt a commercial would go through the trouble of all that...
Can I have a list of them, a complete list, from anyone who knows?
Thank you very much,
Incognito
30096 = 30 Feet Long by 96 Inches Wide
30102 = 30 Feet Long by 102 Inches Wide
35096 = 35 Feet Long by 96 Inches Wide
35102 = 35 Feet Long by 102 Inches Wide
40096 = 40 Feet Long by 96 Inches Wide
40102 = 40 Feet Long by 102 Inches Wide
The last two letters, separated by the slash designates engine and sometimes fuel used....
6-1 = Detroit Diesel 6V71 Engine
8-1 = Detroit Diesel 8V71 Engine
4D = Detroit Diesel Series 50 Engine
6T = Detroit Diesel Series 92 Engine (6V92)
6TL = Detroit Diesel Series 92 Engine with Trap Oxidizers
6N = Detroit Diesel Series 71, Specifically the 6L71N Engine
6C = Cummins L-10 (ISL) or M-11E (ISM) CELECT Engines
6C8 = Cummins C8.3 (ISC) Engine
6CG - Cummins C8.3 Nautral Gas Engine
6CTG = Cummins L-1O Liquified Natural Gas Engine
6M = Cummins M-11E (ISM) Engine SPECIFICALLY
The only ones I haven't been told about was the 6TS designation. The first number is the cylinder size of the engine.
Prior to this system Flxible used a similar system but instead of Bus Length and Width, it was Passenger Capacity and Width used on the third generation New Looks prior to 870/METRO production....
35096 = 35 Passengers, 96 Inch width (30 Foot Bus)
45096 = 45 Passengers, 96 Inch width (35 Foot Bus)
45102 = 45 Passengers, 102 Inch width (35 Foot Bus)
53096 = 53 Passengers, 96 Inch width (40 Foot Bus)
53102 = 53 Passengers, 103 Inch width (40 Foot Bus)
which was still flanked by the 6-1 or 8-1 markings (Example: 530096-8-1, would be a 40 Foot by 96 Inch New Look with a Detroit Diesel 8V71 Engine).
Got It? Good!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.org
Also, just to complicate things further for the engine classifications, I have seen a straight 4 designation and also a 4T. I always understood 4D to mean a DDC Series 50G natural gas engine.
Incognito
Incognito
Peace!
DaShawn
aka - Flxible METRO D#1975
BIG AL
As for the problems with Orion, this isn't affecting Manhattan's New Flyer Artic order, because they are still coming in.
BTW, you got to admit my Phat Farm sweat suit is awesome. :)
5070 was also on the Out of Service list and it's been like that for over a month.
BIG AL
Also the UTC roster is updated as of 5/12/03, and it says that 8531 is in FP. Is this a mistake? I haven't seen that bus around here.
BIG AL
BIG AL
AND
575 Orion VIIs < 1,000 that u mention, UNLESS you want to add in the fact that the TA planned to purchase 650 CNG buses within the next few years (thinking that they might be Orion VIIs, though hoping that it is NOT the case)... THEN, 575 Orion VIIs on order now + 650 CNGs = more than 1,000 buses...
Thank you
Incognito
This is a great thing!
--Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.org
MV is getting rid of their old buses, and I hope none of them get sent here. They can all go to KB.
And yes I'll prefer Triboro's and Green's pre-1990 buses over FP's anyday. BTW's GL's 654 is great, definitely one of the fastest buses they have, I hope it dosn't get scrapped.
Hehe, Tri-horror and spleen funny names :-D. Now Triboro [em, Tri-horror] takes the prize for the shittiest GM buses HANDS DOWN! You're right though, at least NYCT makes a attempt to do something about their buses.
Triboro's buses couldn't be any worse than the old garbage from GBL.
4307 Bx3
4517 Bx32
So stop you whining and shit and just get used to the shit u got before you regret riding them for one last time...OK????
Jeez...
Incognito
9134 Bx36
4612 Bx7
7551 Bx7
What in the f**k is you damn gripe about Kingsbridge? What is your gripe about that garage? There must be something...you always say "KB should get crappers" and not a garage like Gun Hill or MCH (and if you say MCH, I will kill you)...what is it with Kingsbridge that you have such contempt for? Did a KB operator harass you or something? U seem to flame KB for whatever reason, I mean so what if KB's maintenance isn't up to par with the rest of the Bronx Division? So what? They still have decent equipment...and what is it that you have with old buses? AT LEAST THEY RUN! At least they can pick up passengers and take them from point A to B and C in between....
Just do me a favor, do US a favor, stop ur bullshit and just talk REAL transit talk...like the Orion VII fiasco or something...go sniff an exhaust pipe and leave your rantings to yourself, OK...?
Incognito
If THAT'S the case, explain the fact that we received 1997-2000 artics and had brand-new 5200s running in the Bronx and all YOU Fresh Pond peole got were just 1996-1999 Novas?
And if ANYTHING, YOUR goddamn line doesn't deserve anything new esp. if you keep bitching about the stuff u DO have, at least you HAVE buses over there...be happy about that and move on...
3474 on the Q58; I can't wait!! :)
For what it's worth, I've only seen a new Orion once fleetingly, around lunchtime. I think it was 7565 resting curbside facing south on Boerum between Joralemon and Livingston. It could've been a 65 between runs- but doesn't the 65 lay up on northbound Smith between Livingston and Fulton? I imagine I'll be seeing more of them, what with the 37, 61, 65 and 75 all in the area.
Peace
David
BIG AL
If that's the case, what happens to the B51 when Gleason becomes all-CNG shortly?
LOL
Incognito
5425 Bx3
9134 Bx36
Adam
126th Street has gotten hand-me-downs more times than Kingsbridge...as a matter of fact, as "DHF60" and he will tell you...that garage seems to get more stuff that nobody else wants than new stuff, but with the artics coming in, that is slowly changing...
FP doesn't have enough room to add more routes anyway.
Thank You
David
Adam
As to lift-equipped buses, NYCT runs nothing BUT lift-equipped buses, irrespective of model.
David
David
The B11 (also from JG) runs underneath the Brighton Line at Ave J/East 16th st with a posted height restriction on the elevated structure at 10'10". The lower level of the Manhattan Bridge is much higher than that, 14'0" clearance at most.
Also the Manhattan Bridge have very important subway tracks at each end, the Queensboro bridge has only a portion of the Astoria line at the Queens side of the bridge.
Thank You
Incognito
It may take several postings because they are quite a few of them.
Please note: This is just a listing of what the committee proposes
B-1 will operate from Shore Road/Bay Ridge Ave to East 74th St/Ave X via current route to 13th Ave then via 13th Ave,60th St,New Utrecht Ave,65th Street,Avenue P,E.16th St then via current B-2 route to KIngs Plaza,then via current B-3 route to E.74th St. Note return via Ocean Ave between Ave R and Ave P
B-2 From Gerritsen Beach via current B-31 route to Ocean Ave/Quientin Road then via Ocean Ave,Kings Highway,Coney Island Ave,Ave X,25th Ace,Cropsey Ave,Bay Parkway and Belt Parkway (old K Mart Shopping Center) Return via Belt Pkway Service Rd,26th Ave,Cropsey Ave,25th Ave and above route to E.16th St then via current B-31
B-3 from 25th-Harway Ave to KIngs Plaza only via Ave U
B-4 from 3rd Ave/78th Street to Sheepeshead Bay Brighton Station via current route
B-5 from Stillwell Ave Station via Stillwell Ave,Neptune Ave,West 6th Street,Avenue Z, Ocean Ave,Knapp St,Gerrittsen Ave,Ave U to KIngs Plaza
B-6 will operate from Bay 38th Street to Seaview Ave/E.108th Street via current route to Flatlands Ave,E.80th St,Avenue L,E.105th St,Seaview Ave (See new B-81 route)
B-7 current route to be discontinued and replaced by B-16,B-47 and B-82 routes
B-8 No changes
More to follow later
Thank You
B-9 Will operate from Shore Rd/4th Ave via Shore Rd,Bay Ridge Ave then via current route to Flatbush Ave/Ave N then via B-41 route to E.71 St
B-10 will operate from 9th Ave/49th Street(Hospital) via B-11 route to Coney Island Ave then via current B-68 route to Stillwell Ave
(Note:The B-68 will be discontinued)
B-11 will be extended from Nostrand Ave Station to Ralph Ave/Ave K via Flatbush Ave,Ave J,Ralph Ave. Return via Ave K,Flatbush Ave and current route
B-12 Will operate from Kings County Hospital via Clarkson Ave,Rodgers Ave,Empire Blvd and then via current route to Sheridan Ave and extended to Cross Bay Blvd via Green Lines Q-7 route. Return via above route to Nostrand Ave then Winthrop St, New York Ave to Clarkson Ave
B-13 will operate via Cypress Ave
B-14 extend to Gateway Mall
B-15 No Changes
B-16 will operate from 4th Ave/86th St via 86th St,Ft Hamilton Pkway,36th/37th St,and current route to Ocean/Parkside Aves then via current B-12 route to Albany Ave then via Clarkson Ave,Rockaway Parkway, Lenox Rd and then via current B-7 route to Broadway
B-17 No changes
B-18 Restore and extend to Gateway Mall but no specific routing
B-19 will operate from Flatbush/Nostrand to JFK Airport via Nostrand/New York,Ave D,Albany Ave then via B-6 route to Rockaway Pkway,Foster Ave,Ave D,Linden Blvd to JFK Airport
B-20 reroute from Linden Blvd to Wortman Ave between Ashford Street and Crescent Street
B-21 will operate from 4 Ave/86 St to Kings Highway/Beverly Rd via 86 St,13 Ave/14th Ave,39 St,Corteylou Rd then via current B-23 to Flatbush Ave then via Beverly Rd,Nostrand/New York Aves Ave D then current B-8 route
B-22 New Limited Stop route from Bay Ridge to JFK Airport via Belt Pkway,Knapp St,Gerrittsen Ave,Ave U,Mill Ave,Ralph Ave,Flatlands Ave,E 80th St,Seaview Ave,Rkway Pkway,Belt Pkway to JFK
B-23 to be discontinued See B-21 and B-69
B-31 to be discontinues See B-2
B-41 East 71 Street to be discontinued except fro rush hours see B-9
B-42 reroute to Seaview Ave/E 108th St
B-43 terminate at Kings County Hospital
B-47 reroute to Kings Highway between Rockaway Parkway and Beverly Road
More later
Thank You
NOw this one is just STUPID! Why on earth would they try to elininate the B68, if anything bring the 10 back to run with the B15 and make that the JFK route to reduce confusion and should also be a limited [weekdays at least] and plus the B11 doens't need a extra route via 49/50 St.
B-16 will operate from 4th Ave/86th St via 86th St,Ft Hamilton Pkway,36th/37th St,and current route to Ocean/Parkside Aves then via current B-12 route to Albany Ave then via Clarkson Ave,Rockaway Parkway, Lenox Rd and then via current B-7 route to Broadway
I like the idea of having it run full length via Fort Hamilton Pkwy however its current terminal should remain at Prospect Park station.
B-19 will operate from Flatbush/Nostrand to JFK Airport via Nostrand/New York,Ave D,Albany Ave then via B-6 route to Rockaway Pkway,Foster Ave,Ave D,Linden Blvd to JFK Airport
Is it really sensible, I doubt it [see the B10].
B-42 reroute to Seaview Ave/E 108th St
This one isn't too bad although if they ever do that, they should continue going to the Canarise Pier, turn around via Rockaway Parkway then make a right on Seaview Av and head to East 108 that way you won't have complaints saying people were deprived of service there.
Thank You
B-44,B-45,B-46,B-48 and B-49 No Changes
B-50 new route from Utica Ave/Empire Blvd via Empire Blvd,Ocean Ave and via current B-49 route to Manhattan Beach
B-51,B-52,B-54,B-57 No changes
B-60 extend from Williams Ave to New Lots Ave via current B-6 route
B-61,B-63 No changes
B-64 To be discontinued See B-66
B-65 To replace old B-40 route from Ralph Ave to Pennsylvia Ave
More changes later
Where did these people come up with these foolish proposals from? Why would the B43 and B49 need a extra route on their lines, totally useless.
B-65 To replace old B-40 route from Ralph Ave to Pennsylvia Ave
This one is acceptable however the B45 might be a better choice since it could continue via St John's Place and via the old 40 route only it should run via Liberty Av heading WESTBOUND and let buses continue via the 12 EASTBOUND then run down Penn Av then go terminates at the Penn Av station on the 3.
B-66 will combine the B-64 and B-70 routes with minor changes from Stillwell Ave to 1st Ave/39th Street. Reroute to Ft Hamilton Pkway between 60th and 86th Street
B-67- current route to Church Ave/Mc Donald Ave then via Church Ave,Coney Island Ave to Kings Highway
B-68 To be discontinued and replaced by B-69,B-67 and new B-10
B-69 current route to Bartel Prichard Square then via current B-68 and B-23 routes to New Utrecht Ave/62nd Street
B-70 To be discontinued
B-71,B-74,B-75,B-77 No changes
B-81 New Limited Stop route between Kings Highway Brighton Station to Gateway Mall via current B-82 route
B-82 Extend from Canal/Cropsey to Stillwell Ave Terminal. Reroute via Kings Highway from Flatbush Ave to Ave H then via current B-6 route. Extend in Starrett City to Health club
B-86 new route from Shore Rd/86th Street to Kingsboro College via current B-1,B16 and B-64 routes
Q-7 to be discontined between Cross Bay Blvd and Euclid Ave See B-12
Q-8 Extend to Gateway Mall
Any comments
PS-They have some alternatives. Please advise if you wish to see them
Thank You
Yeah, can I see those alternatives, Barry? Thanks in advance!
1-Do not shorten the west end of the B-4 and B-9 routes. Instead operate the proposed B-86 along Shore Road to 4th Ave
2-Do not eliminate the B-7, Leave the B-82 on Flatlands Ave. Terminate the B-16 at Sutter Ave Station
3-Terminate the proposed B-1 at Kings Plaza and continue the B-3 route to E.74th St/Ave X
4-OPerate the proposed B-2 route along Ave U instead of Ave R
5-Terminate the proposed B-2 at 25th Ave and continue the B-3 to the Shopping Center
6-Leave the B-6 and B-60 routes unchanged
7-Do not route the B-9 to E.74th St/Ave X. Do not combine the current B-2 with the Bay Ridge Ave portion of the proposed B-1. INstead combine the Bay Ridge Ave portion of the B-1 with the current B-23 route. Terminate the B-69 at Church and McDonald Aves
8-Extend the B-36 from Noxtrand Ave to Kings Plaza via Avve U. Do not provide new service along Knapp St
9-Leave the current B-13 service as is but with additonal service and do not bring back the B-18 route
10-Extend the proposed B-10 or start the proposed B-5 at W.37th St along Brighton Beach Ave to Coney Island Ave to Ave Z to Kings Plaza
In a seperate post i will give you my comments
Thank You
I'm pretty mixed on this one here while it makes sense, only problem is that people wishing to go to Sunset Park from VA Hospital will have to use the B8 and then if people go on after the B66 then its a 2 fare ride [if they use a PPR card].
B-68 To be discontinued and replaced by B-69,B-67 and new B-10
NO WAY in hell is this ever going to happen, the senior citizens and many other folks will have a huge uproar on this one.
B-81 New Limited Stop route between Kings Highway Brighton Station to Gateway Mall via current B-82 route
I like this one however I think the B82 should be the LTD designation and bring back the B50 to run as the local since that route is a familiar one to long time riders going to/from Starrett City [and bus buffs as well]. Also, strucutre it like the Q20/Q44 to simplify matters. For their B82 proposal I think it makes no sense with putting it on the current B6 routing.
Wait a minute, you are going to post this and tell us that this OR at least some of this MIGHT happen in the future? I do not see this happening. The elimination of the B68 and the B7? Bring back the B5, B18 and B21? Extending the B11, B12 and B16? Ah, no!
Let me ask you this Barry, do you think this OR some of this will happened? Let's us know.
Thanks!
Ironiclly some of these proposed changes where first proposed 25 years ago.
Thank You
Do you know if the MTA is doing the same for Queens, Bronx, Manhattan and Staten Island? I live in Queens now so I was wondering. Thanks in advance and thanks for your input. Sorry if my previous message seemed a bit insulting.
Thank You
Will I get you in trouble by calling them?
1-There is no way that i will eliminate the B-7,B-23, and B-68 bus routes. Since these routes will not be eliminated then there is no need to extend the B-67 and B-69 bus routes.
2-I will also leave the B-6 and B-60 bus routes alone. The Committee has also listed this as an alternative.
3- I also will make no changes on the B-3,B-9(see my commnets below on a Shore Road bus),B-41 bus routes
4-I will also eliminate their proposed B-50 route. It is a duplicate of the B-41 and B-49 routes
5-I agree with their concept of a one seat ride along 86th Street. In 1995 prior to the cutbacks that took place that fall the TA proposed that an 86th Street route operate between 4th Ave and Mackeinzie Street alonmg the current B-1 and B-64 routes. It was never implemented and i recall Norm Silverman telling me that was a mistake he made by not implementing that change. However i agree with the Committees idea that the route should operate along Shore Road between 4th Ave and 86th Street replacing the current B-16 service.
If a one seat ride is implemented along 86th Street then the B-64 will replace the current B-1 service to Shore Road/Bay Ridge Ave.
In addition their proposed B-66 route is not needed as i will not make any changes on the current B-70 route.
6-I will revise the B-16 to operate as a north south route between 4th Ave/86th Street along 86th St,Ft Hamilton Pkway,Caton Ave,Ocean Ave,Empire Blvd to Utica Avenue. Then it will not be needed to change the current B-12 route. But i will adjust the B-43 to operate to Kings County Hospital southbound from Empire Blvd/Brooklyn Ave via Brooklyn ASve,Winthrop Street,Albany Ave,Clarkson Ave and stand at New York Ave. The B-43 will then operate via New York Ave,Winthrop St,Kingston Ave and its current route to Greenpoint
7- To replace the B-16 service on 13th/14th Ave i will create a new route from 19th St/Prospect Park West along 19th St,10th Ave,McDonald Ave,Caton Ave then along the current B-16 route to 13th Ave,86th St,14th Ave,Cropsey Ave to the VA Hospital. This route will return via Cropsey Ave,14th Ave,86th St,13thAve,14th Ave then along the current B-16 route to McDonald Ave then along McDonald Ave,20th St,7th Ave,19th St and terminal. In addition i will have this new route replace the current B-8 service between the VA Hospital and 95th St/4th Ave. By doing this it will help improve service reliability on the B-8 because its too long a route now
8-I like the idea of a Shore Road bus route between 4th Ave and Bay Ridge Ave. To extend the B-9 will make that route too long. I would operate a new rush hour route along Shore Road,Bay Ridge Ave,4th Ave,60th St,2nd Ave,58th St to the Bklyn Army Terminal Ferry. This new route will do the following
a)Provide Shore Road residents a one seat ride to the 59th Street N/R subway station where improved subway service to Manhattan will be availble as of next year
b) Provide a bus route to the NY Water Taxi Ferry service
c) Provide a bus route from the 59th StN/R Express subway stop for people who currently work at the Brooklyn Army Terminal Industrial Park
Hence a Shore Road bus route will have 3 potential feeders who will use this service
9-I will not cut back the B-4 servie in Bay Ridge but i agree with their idea to terminate the B-4 at the Sheepshead Bay Q Station. I would create a new route to replace the eastern part of the B-4 between KIngs Plaza and Coney Island Hospital which will operate basically via Ave U,Gerrittsen Ave,Knapp St,Emmons Ave(return via Shore Pkway Service Rd), Ocean Ave, Ave Z,E 16th St,Sheepshead Bay Rd,Emmons Ave,Neptune Ave,Ocean Pkway to Coney Island Hospital, It will retuurn via Ocean Pkway,Ave Z like the current B-36 and B-4 routes to Knapp St and as i outlined above. There will be slight duplication with the B-4 and B-36 routes but it will not be necessary to extend the B-36 to KIngs Plaza and i believe will improve service reliability on the B-4 route
10- I will not extend the B-11 to Ralph Ave but feel a new route be created via Ave K between the Flatbush Ave #2/5 Station to Georgetown is needed
11- There should be changes to the B-82 similar to the Q20/Q44 with the B-82 making limited stops and a new Kings Highway local bus operating between Flatbush Ave and Stillwell/Surf Ave via Kings Highway,Bay Pkway and Cropsey Aves between 6AM and 12AM with the B-82 making all stops between Canal Ave and Starrett City midnight hours
12- Improved Gateway Mall servie(Thats another story)
13- Leave the current B-13 bus alone(a CBT alternative)
14-Implement a Limited Stop service between Bay Ridge and JFK Airport . In the 1995 Southwest Brooklyn Service Study a similar item was also proposed but never implemented. The route will operate via 86th St,Ave U,Flatbush Ave,Utica Ave,Flatlands Ave,Fountain Ave,Stanley Ave,Elderts Lane,Linden Blvd to JFK
15-I will not make any changes to the B-31 and to the B-2 except combine it with the B-100 if the DOT routes are taken over by the MTA
Any commnets
Thank You
Well they could extend the B15 and B20, why not the B14 as well it would make sense.
This way, there is no loss of bus service along Empire Blvd if the B43 was to be extended down Brooklyn Aves to Kings County Hosptial.
B16#871
B43#911
Also, (after the DOT takeover), how about combining the B9 and Q35 (splitting it between Roxbury garage or FLA and JG)? The B9 at one time did run to the Rockaways, but not during my lifetime. (NOTE: I was born in 1981.)
Also, where would the new B50 run? (The old B50 was a nightmare line with unreliable service. Too bad UP cannot run the B82 anymore, it would really save the MTA money, even though for me buses would have to start at the wrong end.)
As for the Shore Road route, I thought that Command already had that! (Unfortunately, deadheading time is also an issue, as its depot is at Crescent Street.)
Open to suggestions
Adam
There is no way that the B-9 and Q-35 will ever be consolidated if and when the MTA takes over the DOT routes
The Q-35 purpose is to have a subway connection for people who live on the Belle Harbor section of Queens without having to take the A line.
The reason the B-82 is not in Ulmer Park is they have no room for it and this was told to me by higher ups in the Department of Buses
Command operated the Shore Rd until the end of May of 2002
Thank You
They thought about moving the B1 terminal from Kingsboro, are they on drugs?!
B-6 will operate from Bay 38th Street to Seaview Ave/E.108th Street via current route to Flatlands Ave,E.80th St,Avenue L,E.105th St,Seaview Ave (See new B-81 route)
Not smart shortening the 6 then people have to make a EXTRA transfer to get to the 3 train, costong them 1 fare and a transfer.
B-7 current route to be discontinued and replaced by B-16,B-47 and B-82 routes
They're trying so hard to eliminate the B7, they wanted to get rid of it for at least 12 years and each time it has FAILED.
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B44 Local - #4302
BIG AL
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Wayne
Kevin Barsky's pic of #100 at TransiTALK.org
Wayne
In general:
The 1st generation had a squeeze lever on the vertical portion
The 2nd generation had a little box at the base with a vinyl button
The 3rd generation had a plastic rocker lever
On the 4th version, it was downhill. All the hardware got cheap. The plastic rocker lever got more transluscent, the interior glass gasket went from rubber to some mesh and was not visible, the middle square window lost its open-ability, the Environmental Package crap was added to the sides of the back window, the luggage wracks on the SDM suburbans got tinnier, they were less likely to have manual trannies, and the interior engine sounds were different and noisier. The Canadian versions also got a wheelchair front door and the triangular window next the door was blanked over. Queens or Steinway transit had some.
Rockland Coaches (Trevor's employer) was very big on going to black rubber whenever they rehabbed an SDM5301 or 5302. They even went so far as to remove the center sliding windows and replace them with the black-rubbered fixed windows. Against the bright red paint, that looked pretty good - and since it was done as a rehab of an in-service unit and not a restoration, I never had any issues with it.
Wayne
Oh I dunno about that--those white on black signs with all caps were kinda boring, although I understand what you are saying from a historical perspective.
I've heard that they haven't made the grey gaskets for the fishbowls since the the change over by GM to black gaskets but haven't been able to confirm what was told to me.
I beleive the gray was true rubber as it dry rotted like old tires do and became rather brittle with age. The black was a neoprene material that stood up much better to the elements and remained pliable years after the installation. Although the black would still dry out some, it really never disinegrated like the gray did.
I do remember the black gasket would smudge the edge of the window.
What was the reason for the vinyl strip lining the standee windows on the inside ? I often saw it falling of after several years.
Tires aren't made of pure rubber -- as the window gaskets were -- that's why they are black. They contain many other materials besides rubber....neoprene being one of them.
I do agree, though, it does make the bus look totally different.
At least NYCT's 5301s have the correct taillights with the sculptured surrounds (yes, that's another shot at Corgi's fishbowl models).
That light green, though, was really, really tacky looking!!!
Wayne
Of course most of the TTC ones have no standee windows at all. They look really bland. The only ones that do are the few they got from Montreal.
The oval shape of the interior cut-outs for them are a throwback to the Old Looks. I wonder why the 2nd generation Fishbowls and beyond had mini dividers within each opening making each long oval window into 2 shorter windows ?
If you look at some later GMD fishbowls out of Canada, they even lost the "teardrop" front window on buses with wheelchair lifts int he front doors, as the extra weight of the wheelchair lifts would cause the sagging....making that teardrop window area solid metal gave the bus a tad more body strength. St. Louis retrofitted many of their GMD 5307's. San Diego's came with the windows, but they never bothers to retrofit theirs, and they lasted until two years ago!!
That first pillar was also pretty wide on the Classic, which to me is just Fishbowl series 5. Wonder how many operators would rehab a Fih to a Classic, much like the former Flxible ABR which placed a modified Metro body on either a Flx or GMC New Look chassis. I would guess a Fish-.Classic rebuild would be much easier since the body panels below the windows are essentially the same.
It was noisy, hot, and rode like crap. Everything in the bus vibrated. Couldn't wait to get off the thing.
I wonder why the standee window dividers were not made to line up with the regular windows like the earlier Fishbowl-Flxibles ? A 40' bus has 7 sections, a 35' bus had 6.
Steinway transit has them too without that triangular window. Do any survive ? I also saw in some magazine of that triangular window on the GMD's being very small. I would think the driver would lose right-side visibility toward the curb if it was omitted.
I have never ever seen this bus run before. Anyone know where they were used?
Their numbers were 101-112. They were divided between Bladensburg, Montgomery, and Four Mile Run, about 4 buses each in the 80`s. A couple of these buses went to Landover during the late 80`s until they were retired in the 90's.
Wayne
This batch of WMATA's may have replaced the several SDM-5303s they bought from Huntington Coach Corp that ran in LIRR's Road'n'rail service
One day, it ended up on a crowded R8 run to Fort Totten in the AM rush.
In the meantime, LIVE from The Keystone State, his close and personal confidant, I-80Martz, will be posting some of the same insightful and informative tidbits that you all have been so accustomed to seeing from Q5Merrick (he says 'hello' by the way). There will be no "I saw 8537 or was it 8637, it may have been 8507, but I'm 75% sure it was 8438" posts from I-80Martz. You will continue to receive REAL info courtesy of I-80Martz AND Q5Merrick.
So from the home of the slow, old and decrepit 96A3's (DaRidgewood thinks HE has it bad--try shelling out good money to ride a lousy A-series MCI), the super fast 102C3's, and the rest of the D, E and J series MCI's, this is I-80Martz signing off.
Peace
Also, 534 is in QV, not CS, having replaced 154, which went the other way.
In addition, if they are separating locals from suburbans, QV should read : ... 9250-1, 9252 ,9253-6, 9257, 9258-61...
And where is 4577, pray tell? Is it back at JAM, or is it in storage?
5188 is in MTV, not in Quill. I have personally seen this bus with MTV stickers.
Also, 5424 is in Gun Hill! Rode this bus on the Bx12!
If anyone else has any more corrections, thanks in advance.
4517 Bx32
534 Q31
9257 Q46 (with hard seats)
5188 M103
5424 Bx12
The Bx12 is at times SPLIT between GH and KB. More likely during the rush hours. You might have seen 1999-2000 New Flyer D60HF bus #5424 on a Bx12 run then went back to KB. I made that same mistake with buses from MCH on the M4 during the morning rush hour. Like at the time, I saw 1986 GMC RTS-06 bus #4435 on the M4 with MCH stickers and 1987 TMC RTS-06 bus #4760 on the M101 (Bus #4760 was with Amsterdam...so I'm really going old school).
Peace Everybody!
DaShawn
aka Flxible METRO D#1975
BIG AL
Also, Artics seem to age twice as fast as regular buses and once they are past 12, they seem like a liability to operate. How they make it to 18 years in some areas is amazing.
Wayne
What university are you attending?
If you look up georgetown U fule cell bus and wmata fuel cell bus you will get sll the infor you are looking for
Wayne
Wayne
I do not want to discredit the people of UTCNY who did a very nice job updating the bus roster. However, I have some questions:
1) Is 1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #8979 REALLY at Jamaica? I thought it was at MJQ?
2)Why does MJQ still have 1990 TMC RTS-06 buses #8206, #8212 and #8219? I thought those were shipped out?
3)DHF60 said that 15 1996 NovaBus RTS-06 buses left 126th St. I got the following: #9029, #9034, #9037-9039, #9042-9047, #9050 and #9186-9187. Is bus #9052 next? Why are buses #9037 and #9046 still listed at 126th St when they are at MJQ?
4)Did 2003 New Flyer D60HF bus #5525 go back to MJQ? When did 126th St receive buses #5555 and #5561?
5)Why are 1999 NovaBus RTS-06 buses #5025-5029 listed at 126th St. I thought they were at Manhattanville.
6)Finally as ENY Nova 5205 mentioned, 1986 GMC RTS-06 bus #4517 is at KB. Also, 1995 Orion 05.501 #534 is at QV and 1993 Orion 05.501 #154 is really back at CS?
Those are just some questions I have. Everything else is pretty simple to follow. Thanks to the people of UTCNY for updating this roster!
Oh BTW, 1986 GMC RTS-06 bus #4577 is at Jamaica. Saw it this morning.
Yes, #8979 is at MJQ, I have photo proof. I saw it on the M20 with MJQ stickers.
>>>3)DHF60 said that 15 1996 NovaBus RTS-06 buses left 126th St. I got the following: #9029, #9034, #9037-9039, #9042-9047, #9050 and #9186-9187. Is bus #9052 next? Why are buses #9037 and #9046 still listed at 126th St when they are at MJQ?<<<
#9052, I could have sworn that #9052 was a Jamaica unit...
>>>5)Why are 1999 NovaBus RTS-06 buses #5025-5029 listed at 126th St. I thought they were at Manhattanville.<<<
They are, AFAIK.
>>>6)Finally as ENY Nova 5205 mentioned, 1986 GMC RTS-06 bus #4517 is at KB. Also, 1995 Orion 05.501 #534 is at QV and 1993 Orion 05.501 #154 is really back at CS?<<<
#154 is at Stengel, #534 is at QV, and I believe #4517, 4520, and 4307 are at KB right now...
Thank you
Incognito
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B44 Limited - #8441
BTW, I saw a different roster yesterday (5/14 early morning).
Also 8980 is in MJQ too ;-)
#9052, I could have sworn that #9052 was a Jamaica unit...
Nope 9052 is in ENY, you mean 9053. 9051,9053-9056,9065,9070,9072 and 9073 are in JAM.
Downtown Brooklyn on Fulton St.
On B26
3997,4711,4725,4732 in the morning,4739,8009*,8014*,8134*,8561,9161,9163, & 9602.
On B38
4732 in the afternoon,5062,5068,8007*,8139*,8155**,8166**,8530,8534,9143,9150,9577, & 9594.
On B52
4664,4672,4683,4722,4727,4733,4738,5061,8006*,8161*,9146,9586, & 9603.
On B41
4618,8028*,8145*, & 8435.
NOTE: *=Nonpowered **=Repowered
Peace
David
Who was pushing? ;^)
Peace!
DaShawn
aka Flxible METRO D#1975
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Clarification: it is shown on the downtown Manhattan map, found here: http://mta.info/nyct/maps/mapdown.pdf
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B1-#7523-Reman RTS
B16-#7562-Orion VII
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1. I cant say that ive seen alot of busses outside of NYC, but after working in NJ for a few months in 2001-2002 and seeing alot of different buses at the PABT, I have never seen this "quality control bus" logo before. Is this just a NYCT thing? If so, we were allowed to paint on this bus? I thought we were borrowing it, do we have to remove it before we return it?
2. This bus has NY plates. Dont you have to register a vehicle to get plates? And dont you have to have the title to the vehicle to register the car? So if we registered it, we basically "own" it for a short amount of time, corect? Is this the way that we usually do tests from other transit companies, not the manufacturers themselves?
Thanks
The center wheel chamber is an obstacle to passengers, I hope no one stands in that spot.
Next, one has to climb onto the seats that are on top of this wheel chamber. Not everyone can do that, especially special needs individuals. D60LF's are not the way for NYCT. If you ask me, operations is looking for wayss to cut runs. No better way than by ordering more 60' buses.
Well, people with special needs can sit elsewhere, as noone is forcing them to sit there. Personally, i think Low Floors are a joke, but as for this bus, it's likely that the MTA will get the usual seating package if they decide to order the D60 LF.
Neoplan is the most flexible bus manufacturer out there. They have products that match the offerings of any other bus company.
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Adam
Adam
An old friend in LA, need to ask you a question about touching up a rub 8173 got on the roof.
S in LA
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This has gotten weird! I just checked the roster and it was May 14th, Now it's May 15th! Weird! Check it out!
Oh man I feel sick, I should've stay in bed(upset stomach).
I noticed that to on the UTCNY Bus Roster. Boy, that is a head scratcher!!!! The last time Jamaica had a 1984 GMC RTS-04 bus was back when they had buses #3576-3650 until about 1989.
And 4850 is in HP.
4635 B82
4850 M34
Adam
Adam
Thank God.
4567 Q5 old school
3303 B64 old school
B13- RTS #5057
Q55- RTS #9587
BIG AL
Okay, let's be reasonable here. Glenn was nice enough to post the roster up. Now we have an idea as to where the buses are at. Yes, there are some corrections but we just need to e-mail him and address it to him...that's all! Otherwise, Glenn will stop posting and we will have to wait for Q5Merrick to post or even waiting for Transitalk.org's roster to be updated.
If you guys help him out instead of blasting him on BT Im sure the roster will become more accurate. He relys on bus fans and people who work for the TA to get his info.
Question: When were the Bill Fareboxes eliminated on the Privates? I remember seeing the bills allowed in the early 90's on GBL.
Adam
Valley Metro was also a rarity among operators in that they also accepted credit cards for single rides, which I found quite handy on a few trips to Phoenix. However, they discontinued the practice of accepting credit cards on buses within the past year - don't know the reason why.
I remeber them on the privates.
Metrocards are sold at virtually any newstand. IF you know you are going to ride the bus buy a card and keep it in your wallet.
Why should the MTA go through the expense to install bill readers for less then 1% of the riding public.
It slows down the ride. Paying with multiple bills takes, on average, 6 to 9 seconds per passenger; paying with coins averages 2 to 4 seconds per passenger, even with a handful of quarters. (The Transportation Research Board published a paper in 1989 that details the effects of fare collection on bus dwell times in midtown Manhattan.)
It increases costs dramatically. Bills have a habit of jamming and ripping. As a result, farebox maintenance costs are much higher when bills are accepted - by a factor of 30 nationwide - than when bills are not accepted. Check out the Transit Cooperative Research Program (Report #12, I think) for further details.
Robert
If you use a MetroCard, you'll save 20%. Why pay $2.00 when $1.67 will suffice? You'll also get free transfers to the subway. Anyone can use a MetroCard, not just commuters.
Orion 7 seen on the following routes:
#7574-B68
#7562-B68
#7573-B8
B1-#4497-TMCRTS
B64-#4753-TMCRTS
It looks like the New flyers tougher somewhat cooler cousin
I took the B30 up to BWI Station, Orion V 4392, and got LRV 5939 to Pataspco, I was running a little late. I got there and hoping to get a Neoplan low floor, but 9428 came up(the Neoplans right now they seem to only run rush hour)so I took it on the 16 line(I think that is a first for me taking two buses on the same route different system), like the Flixble one better. The 16 also goes to Mondawmin so it was no waste. I got there hoping for the same thing again no Neoplan so I got Flxible C? 9249 on the 7 to downtown to eat and walk around. I then took the 1, that being Flxible B 8967 back to Mondawmin. I got to Mondawmin and saw about four Neoplan low floors, but none on the routes I wanted to ride on. They were all on the M routes, so I decided that I was going to ride one so I hopped on the subway and took it to Milford Mill. I got to Milford Mill hoping to get one and as I got out there was 0060, broken down being worked on by the technician, which he got to work and as 0249 pulled up, 0060 started to work, the sign said M3 Penn North, MY ROUTE. But it pulled off with no passengers and me and some other passengers got on new Neoplan 0249.
0249 has a pretty good acceleration and it fast, but doesn't have the acceleration as its WMATA 60' cousins or the C40LFs with C8.3 or the Orion VIs with the DD50 engines. I do like the interior, except for the gray seats those will get written to pieces, they should have gone with the vandal resistent cloth ones, WMATA got on the C40LFs. Anyway it has the stop announcement system with stop request built in, like the other Baltimore buses. I still hate the engine sounds too whiny, almost sounds like the DD50 engines on the 2002-03 Ride On Vs. It looks like there is even some seats that could fit me, cool.
Of course some jerk in an Astrovan(assholevan) cut the bus off, to make a right turn, and the bus was in motion, what jack asses. Getting back to the story, the bus's back door had problems, almost every passenger that got off or that was near the back door either had to push it in or pull it in to close it properly. Last but not least, the driver seemed to be getting use to driving this bus as she braked awkwardly and sometimes suddenly. People for the most part liked the bus, noone said nothing bad about it, only about the driver's driving.
I took the subway, this being an odd combination of lead car 199 and partner 110 (I think their partners are in for rehab). Speaking of door problems, we were delayed about 5 minutes because the doors jammed and the operator couldn't get the doors open. I took the train to Lexington Market, boarded the light rail, that being car 5008, and took it to back to BWI Airport hoping to catch the 6:10 B30 back to Greenbelt, which I barely made it, and it was 4391. Like the last afternoon B30 I took, this one was crowded. I got to Greenbelt, hoping to get the 15x back home. The 15x pulled somewhat up to the stop and then pulled off to drop off some passengers, then went over to layover. A passenger went from the booth to the layover area to get the bus and it pulled off !*@#$%^%@&?. I had to settle for the 16 and another slow but a little faster, with oversized delivery van 63042 to New Carrolton. I was just in time to catch the 7:45 F14 home that being 2058, with no bike rack but a camera. It was an ok trip overall, next time hoping to catch that oversized delivery van on the 8:05 21 to New Carrolton so every thing can run as planned.
Hey yall got to ride with Adam Paul, I have been up Baltimore and haven't ridden with him yet :(
Jason
And here they are...an Incognito presentation:
Hope you enjoyed this presentation!
Incognito
I think this bus got the orange Luminators around early 2003...and I believe #3039 will be the only one to have them...but since the DOT privates are threatened to be taken over by the MTA, the rest of the Orions might not even have them...but I could be wrong...
Incognito
BIG AL
BIG AL
I do have to hand it to Lynx... they run a very attractive fleet... It may be 90% Phantoms, but each bus is a different color, or has a different wrap on it. All very creative. Thier bus stops are attractive to the eye, and very colorful. They seem to take care of thier buses, as well. The interiors are nice... cushioned seats, talking bus... they put Disney buses to shame...
From thier website: ( www.golynx.com )
LYNX is responsible for providing residents and visitors in Orange, Osceola and Seminole Counties with safe, reliable, affordable public transportation.
Officially known as the Central Florida Regional Transportation Authority (CFRTA), LYNX has been recognized as the fastest growing transportation system in the United States. LYNX provides regularly scheduled bus service with colorful, comfortable buses; shuttle service to special events; commuter assistance with van pools and car pools; special door-to-door transportation for customers who cannot use regular bus service; and special fares for students, physically and mentally challenged customers and for people aged 65 and older.
The colorful LYNX fleet currently uses approximately 235 coaches and 70 vans to serve its customers and has successfully employed an aggressive marketing campaign to raise the visibility of the many services it provides in the region. Additionally, the CFRTA is in the midst of developing a long-range plan that examines enhanced bus and rail options for the region well into the next century. As a result of its innovative approaches to meeting mobility needs.
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Founded
Initially founded in May 1972 as the Orange-Seminole-Osceola Transportation Authority as has been doing business as “LYNX” since 1992. The agency became Central Florida Regional Transportation Authority in March 1994.
Areas Served
Orange, Seminole and Osceola Counties; an area of approximately 2,500 square miles with a resident population of more than 1.3 million people.
Fleet Size
More than 250 air-conditioned coaches.
Daily Service 61 routes called "Links" serve the tri-county area
Peak service is provided from 6:00 a.m.-9:00 a.m. and 3:30 p.m.-6:30 p.m.
Earliest service is 4:30 a.m.; last bus leaves downtown at 12:15 a.m.
Peak frequency is every 15 minutes on heavily used links while average frequency in urban area is every 30 minutes
Outlying areas receive hourly service
Services Fixed route bus service operates seven days a week and on holidays
LYMMO, free downtown Orlando circulator
LYNX CarPool and VanPool services
Door-to-door van paratransit service called ACCESS LYNX for medically qualified, physically challenged customers
Road Rangers roadside assistance program on I-4
Ridership
More than 70,000 rides provided each weekday.
Miles Traveled
More than 140 million passenger miles annually.
Fuel Used
LYNX uses nearly five million gallons per year.
Painted Buses
LYNX takes special pride in the bright colors used to paint its buses. The LYNX coaches are washed inside and out every day to be sure they remain a colorful addition to Central Florida’s scenery. The buses with commercial messages generate income for LYNX, supplementing the revenues generated by fares and other services.
BTW- If you check the MTA Web site under Service Changes it was updated on WEdnesday May 14th and it was deleted. I understand that this is very unusal since the web site service changes are updated on Fridays only
Thank You
A "school kid" wanted to impress his buddies and show how timid bus operators are. So this young man slapped an older driver (in his early 60's) as he attempted to get off the bus. He never made it off the bus. The operator gave him a different kind of ride.
I'm not sure how many of you realize this, but as operators of common carriers, we have the authority to physically remove you from the bus or train. Although no weapons may be used, nor blows struck, we are legally entitled and empowered to use minimal force to remove and/or detain passengers in certain circumstances. Factually speaking, the regulation still on the books cites "annoying" as a legitimate factor in removal of a passenger.
:o
In any event, the young man was charged with a Class D felony and sent appropriately through the system.
Adam
It's also to know that now T/O's, C/R's and B/O's get the same protection as everyone else. I respect you fine men and women, driving us all around the Big Apple! I commend you! ;-D
We had an incident several years ago where some hippie-type person got on the bus and took his shoes off, which smelled up the bus. The driver told him "Sir, you need to put your shoes on or get off the bus..it's against the law" (Yes, Virginia actually had this on the books at one time). The man got pissed and jumped off the bus.
And that racist cat deserves an assault...especially if he spouted the "N" word. That is FLAT out uncalled for. The T/O really did the right thing in that case.
-F.
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I'm sure glad that isn't the rule here. You can get on the 6-7:00 a.m. buses headed toward downtown and see at least half the seated passengers, and several of the standing passengers snoozing at one time or other during the hour long ride. In fact you can recognize the regular riders with the walkman buds in their ears, closed eyes, their belongings gathered on their laps with interlocked fingers, and the uncanny ability to open their eyes about 400 meters before the bus reaches their stop.
Tom
The man who did this was actually mentally retarded (no joke, he was a victim of a shooting accident that took part of his brain), but still, there was no excuse. You don't just raise your voice on the middle of a bus. It is not conducive to the safety and comfort of your fellow passengers.
Another incident was as follows; last year, our transit museum provided emergency service to a Charlie Daniels concert. The private charter service originally hired broke down, so we came in as volunteers (only the fuel costs were covered). A drunken man got on the bus, and was very mouthy; he complained about the charter breakdown and buses in general, much to the chagrin of all around him. Our president (and B/O at the time) said "Look, we are here to help you get there. You can either be quiet, or get off the bus." After that, our human brewery friend remained calm. Once again, mentally impaired (albeit for a little while), but no excuse.
On a funny side note, the bus we used was a restored 6V71-powered 1979 Grumman 870; as it slowly went uphill with standing room passengers, they all started to chant "I Think I Can, I Think I Can". Where this would normally be an annoyance, it was quite an amusing memory for our driver. :)
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Even if the bus is not owned by a governmental agency (such as a NYBS New Look, or an Atlantic Express driver on the X23 or X24 route), the same law applies, because NYBS and these Atlantic Express drivers are driving under a franchise granted by the NYC DOT. These amendments went into effect last November. (If there is a lawyer on this board, maybe they may be able to identify the exact area of the penal law that was amended to include the others.)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Whilst a variety of different screens are available, the most common one is the most secure example. Basically, the entire area between the driver is filled by a very tough perspex screen, which has only two openings; one a small, letter-box sized slot for money to pass through and the other a small circle for the passenger to take their ticket. Now it is uncommon for a new bus to enter service with no form of a barrier between the driver and passengers. In big cities such as London, Birmingham, Livepool and Glasgow (amongst others) all buses are fitted with the knife-proof perspex described above. As a result, attempted assaults on drivers are nearly zero. In fact, in many areas no bus would be taken on to service with no screen due to Union agreements. Drivers would be well within their rights to refuse to take a bus with no screen.
Perhaps this should be trialled in NYC and opinions sought from bus operators.
What does anybody else think?
This has been suggested many times before, but I would object to it both as a bus operator and a bus rider.
When driving, I actually like interacting with my passengers. I know that I'm in a sliver of a minority on that, but I think it's the most interesting part of the job. Even the annoying passengers make for good stories after the fact. I would almost certainly quit my job if I had to spend my whole shift boxed into a tiny little chamber.
More importantly, I think the effect on passengers would be tremendously negative. Seeing the driver shielded off like that would be terribly intimidating. Not only would passengers feel less safe (because the driver is isolated from them) but they would also be a lot more hesitant to ask a question or even give the driver a friendly "thank you."
I can't argue that boxing off drivers would reduce assaults against them, but I believe that it would be a gross overrecation to what few incidents occur. Some of San Francisco Muni's new buses have plexiglas sheilds, and I don't necessarily think that they have been a raging success in any sense.
I have seen these enclosed plexiglass driver's cabins in San Francisco, not only on new buses, but also as retrofits to older buses. In every case during daylight hours, the door to the cabin was open, leaving the driver accessible to passengers from midway between the waist and shoulders (in a seated position) on up. It is apparently up to the individual driver whether he wants to button up the cabin or not. On the LRVs, the operator still has to oversee the fare box when running in the street, but is seated in more of a sealed area. I saw no shields on either PCCs or Peter Witt streetcars.
Tom
I remember when I went to Ryan JHS, the bus driver took the ENTIRE bus to the 103rd Precinct! Yes, a right turn off 169th St and sat on 91st Av. Why? Well, let's just say that being in the back of the bus was not really the best place to be.That's not good...I thought but in this case I guess the driver could not wait until 91st Av to get into this fight. I'm friends with a lot of QV B/Os and I agree with Brooklyn67 as to what happened on the bus. It's a damn shame! I think we should ban those types of people from the buses. Then again, the MTA will be criticized again for segregation by who else...the Straphangers campaign!
Also, I remember one other event on the Q31 to Jamaica. I was coming from Bayside HS and the bus stopped on Utopia Pkwy and Horace Harding Expwy (Northside of the LIE at that gas station). What happened? A mother holding her baby gets on the bus. Students start making fun of her.....why? Well, women are not suppose to have "mustaches" right? This was basically a light skinned black woman with a very thin mustache...I mean you REALLY have to stare to see it. So, basically the B/O shuts the bus down and get this....Public Safety (well School Safety Patrol) from Francis Lewis HS is giving orders! The B/O is telling us that nobody gets off the bus until the PS gives orders....WHAT?! This was a bald headed white guy (bald on top with white hair on the sides..must be retired) as the B/O. What happened? The woman got off after listening to PS about the concern for her baby. I got off and waited for the Q30...screw that.
Q30 and Q31 are rough school routes.
-F.
-F.
And what's with the plastic handcuffs? Are you sure they are not a plastic shell or overlay over a metal frame? No way plastic could hold a criminal down long enough for booking. Metal is better!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
However, cost of living (and operation for the TA) is a factor, along with local or government funding, and of course demand. Our TA used to cover several out-of-town areas, and now barely covers small parts of our surrounding county or its seat. What's more, we have not had Sunday service in 25 years, and night service ended three years before that. And fares have increased periodically over the years.
Also, 1.50 sounds like about the norm; being from a smaller town (our fare is 1.25 all around), I have always expected that it would be higher in big cities due to the cost of living. With that logic in mind, 1.50 is just plain CHEAP for NYC...you have a lot more area up there than we do around here! And 2.00 sounds about right in that case. But if you're used to the latter, it is a bit of a hike for you, I suppose.
I paid 1.50 fare when I rode the HRT at Virginia Beach and felt that to be a bargain, considering the numerous areas they serve (pretty much the whole southeastern part of the state). Meanwhile, everyone back home thinks 1.25 is a ripoff. Then again, most of the locals don't support public transit, and those that do are usually low-income types or do not have a driver's license. It's give or take.
-F.
Come to think of it, in the back of the RTSs, NONE of the windows can open back there!
FOR THE PENNSYLVANIA BUSTALKERS only: I looked at pics of the remains of PAT Neoplan AN440LF 5019, and it is too bad that bus could not be saved, and is now dead after only a few months. Rest in peace, PAT Neoplan AN440LF 5019.
Wayne
If anything, I often encounter times when riding the Orions, the window I try to open is stuck. Not closed, but it gets stuck if you try and slide it open or try to close it. It really gets to me. The RTS' I ride (all the buses are on QS BTW) are non-problematic for me, though.
I find it very surprising that a new model like the Orions have such defective windows, unless vandals are up to trashing them already or the fact that the B/O has control over locking them in the first place (if anyone knows, please confirm this for me) My guess is that these Orions are unwanted. I really notice vandalism on the Q65 the most, with scratchiti most evident in the backside of the bus, even with black market graffiti on the seats back there. Truly despicable.
Because Transit ordered them that way.
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[....but all the privates' buses have all of their windows openable?]
Because NYCDOT ordered them that way.
David
Wayne
David
Wayne
Adam
Wayne
Robert
That was 1990-1991 TMC RTS-06 #8374 with the driver side sliding windows. Saw bus #8365 this morning so it is not that one. Another oddball buses are 1981 GMC RTS-04 #1316 and #1384...they had DDEC 6v92TA engines as well as 1983 GMC RTS-04 #3201 and #3208. I remember for a BRIEF time, 1981 GMC RTS-04 #2268 had an engine like the 1984-1985 GMC New Look "Blitz" buses. 1982 GMC RTS-04 #1726 (the "Flagship" as a B/O from Casey Stengel told me) had a 1986 type destination sign. Maybe that bus and 1986 GMC RTS-06 #4429 should switch, huh? Finally, I'm not sure but it could be 1982/1997-1998 GMC RTS-04 #7047 with a 1986 type destination sign and another bus from that series (#7038-7049) had a 1985 type destination sign. The rest had the normal signs that you see on the rest of the 7000s and 7500s.
7047 M31
3899: At one time the only bus with no seats except for the back. Pictures of the interior looked weird.
317: The only bus of its order (101-317) to be CNG and have a tank
8397: The only hybrid bus of its order (8001-8399)
8398-8399: The only 2 CNG buses of their order (same as above)
Now here are tricky ones:
When you look at the BACK of a New Flyer C40LF you see the black square with the MTA's logo and name, the ID # and the destination sign displaying the route. On the top right corner is the ID #. On the 1999 order, 800-856, the number was not completely in the upper right corner but it left an interval of black in the corner. This is very slight and requires a close look at both types to tell the difference. 801 however, left no interval. On the 857-989 order, they all had it opposite. No interval on these. Except for 866, which left an interval similar to 800, 802-856. Anyone else ever notice this? Look at pictures on the various websites at the backs. Compare a 1999 New Flyer to a 2000 New Flyer and the EXACT location of the ID # in the back and if it leaves a margin in the corner.
Same also on 7000 from FLA.
9351 Q46
Also, the 1993 Orions 101-317 have 5 seats across the back, while 400-610, 631-680, 6000-6349 have 4 seats (611-630 are suburbans and have 5 seats). I was wondering why they couldn't have the seats just raised a little more to have 5 seats on those instead of that thing in the rear.
9140-9149: FP's exclusive cummins Novas
9350 and 9351: These buses are hard-seaters, unlike the other 9300's in QV.
4901: The des. sign and interior are of a 1998 Nova
4854-4899: Started out with 2x2 seating.
8566: Same des. sign like the 8600's
Here's 2 from way back, Fishbowl era:
4300 (or was it 4301) only NYC 1970 bus with rear EIP devices.
649 had bottom rear door windows.
Also 4668 used to have no rear des. sign when it was in JG, but now it does.
With the 1987 TMC buses 4784 and 4785 had right side powered mirrors.
Going back to the old days... MABSTOA's T6H-5309A 4869 & 4870 had the backlit flourscent lighting (ad holder) instead of the single lighting going down the middle of the ceiling. 4871 had a slightly different version.
1981 RTS - MABSTOA's 2281-2300 had the DD 6V92TA engine.
1977 Flxible - 9155-9164 had the DD 8V71N engine.
Wayne
BIG AL
Wayne
Wayne
-Jay
Orion 259 Q44
Wayne
Adam
RTS 8385 (QV) - The numbers on the rear fleet number plate are way taller than usual.
Orion 305 (CS) - The fleet number on the interior front panel (above the Stop Requested sign) is handwritten in black marker.
Orion 6121 (CS) - The fleet number on the front of the bus looks like it was hand painted.
Oh yeah I know about that bus in particular LOL [the #'s almost look unreadable poor handwriting ;-)], I've seen buses that have no inside number at all.
Orion 583 has a mesh side instead of a solid one where the depot sticker is on the left side. Until recently, 9391 had a two tone M logo on the driver's side.
BIG AL
BIG AL
Thank you.
Lets just make that whole 300 some bus order all Hybrid!
David
I was in Queens on business. Here are my observations:
1990-1991 TMC RTS-06:
#8360 - Q30
#8365 - I'm not sure
#8382 - Q2
#8362 - Q36
#8395 - Q1
***ALL BUSES ARE REPOWERED***
1993 Orion 05.501:
#113 - Q76
#307 - Q76
***BOTH ARE REPOWERED***
1995 Orion 05.501:
#515 - Q2
#536 - Q27
#564 - Q76
#621 - Q1
#623 - Q30
#630 - Q30
1996 Orion 05.501:
#672 - Q44
#678 - I'm not sure
1996 NovaBus RTS-06:
#8945 - Q3
#9054 - Q17
#9251 - Q43
#9257 - Q88 (HARD SEATS in 2x2 form!)
1997-1998 NovaBus RTS-06:
#9358 - Q1
#9359 - Q30
#9362 - Q83 (to 114th Av/227th St - LTD??????? On a Saturday?)
#9540 - Q17
#9541 - Q3
#9553 - Q3
1998-1999 NovaBus RTS-06:
#4909 - I'm not sure
#4921 - Q31
#4944 - Q43
#5150 - Q4
#5158 - Q17
#5160 - Q4 (repainted - no ads)
Jamaica Bus Lines:
1994 TMC RTS-06 #3843 - Q110
MTA Long Island Bus:
1991 Orion 05.501:
#650 - N81
1996 Orion 05.501 CNG:
#147 - N22
#173 - N6
#203 - N6
#xxx - N22 (I forgot the number)
#216 - N24
2000 Orion 05.501 CNG:
#306 - N19
Suffolk Transit:
1990 Gillig Phantom 40TB102:
#910-915 (In the EBT yard on Sunrise Hwy/New Highway in North Lindenhurst)
1993 Flxible Metro-D:
#9301 (In the EBT yard on Sunrise Hwy/New Highway in North Lindenhurst)
1997 Gillig Phantom 30TB096:
#9723 - 6B to Ronkonkoma (on the LIE heading towards Ronkonkoma to begin its shift)
#9714 - 10A
NEW TRAFFIC LIGHTS:
(I mention this because it was been a while since I've been in some parts of Queens. If you live in these areas then just ignore this...this is just FYI)
- 188th St and 90th Av (Q2 and Q3 Jamaica bound)
- Jamaica Av and 190th St (Q110)
- Farmers Blvd and 111th Av (Q3, Q83 and X64)
- Murdock Av and about 196th St (Q83)
- Linden Blvd and 233rd St (Q4 and X64)
One more thing, the bus stop on Hillside Av between 186th St and 187th Pl has been split up. You have the Q17, Q36, Q43 and Q75 at one stop. The Q1, Q2, Q3, Q76 and Q77 at the corner of Hillside Av and 187th Pl. The last one is crossing 187th Pl on Hillside Av...that's where you pick up the Nassau Conuty buses.
The X32 is now available to the Q2 bus stop on Hillside Aat 179th St.
Enjoy!
LOL....you would think so with all these traffic lights now! LOL!
If anything, I've seen more traffic lights being erected, specially in Queens, due to worries of traffic-accidents to be.
On how many repowered buses is this a problem, and what can be done to fix it?
At a little past 6:30 the first of the buses began to roll up Sheriff Road, those being some of Bladensburg's CNGs included in that line up was JD2462(C40LF with a John Deere engine). A little later a whole ton more of Bladensburg's CNGs rolled up the hill along with some buses from Landover. A lot of these buses were sporting the driver's side near roof mounted flags and some had flags on the bike racks(they weren't going to be used today). Next up was more Landover buses and then some Annex/Southern buses. At around 7:30 am buses from Four Mile Run began to appear. After FMR, came Royal, which shocked me a little but realized they won't be going in and out of Royal, they will be spending most of their time in PG shuttling passengers to and fro AAFB. Included in FMR was 9830 Flxible D surburban. Next came Montgomery, and with that came 9621 a repowered 9600 and oddity 9349. Next came Arlington with another shocker, some 35 footers about eight of them. Also alot of unrepowered 9600s.
At about this time traffic came almost to a standstill with both directions of Sheriff Road being backed up with slow or no movement for about 30 minutes. Finally around about 9:30, traffic cleared up and that is when bus traffic curtailed. It would pick up again after about 2pm with traffic briefly being backed up. I think they reprogrammed the lights to alieve the traffic. The road going up to the stadium was blocked off so no traffic could go up there and forced some buses who went up their(some of these drivers apparently thought the route was the same as for the Redskin shuttles, they were wrong. Most of the buses were driving up and down Sheriff Road at either speed or a little slow, but in the afternoon, the buses sped up.
Buses that were not seen on sheriff road were the Neoplan artics, the Orion VIs, the 8700s, 8900s or 9800 series with transit seats, only 9830(FMR) and 9835(Landover) represented the 9800s. Also later seen was repowered 9600 series bus 9620(with surburban seating). Alot of Arlington's uprepowered Orions were there, included was 9605,06,12,14, 15, and 17. One last note 9204 seemed to have a horn problem, it went off with short honks every couple of seconds. Some of the above mention "Missing Buses In Service" may have been doing shuttle service at Branch Avenue.
MAN!!! Did I have fun bus watching today and you know what, tomorrow it is going to happen again from the same time frame, I could be too happy going to work Monday. I took tons O pix, which will take me months to be developed because I am on a tight budget and I took a lot of pics and will take more tomorrow bought ton's o film(Ames going out of business sale helped that cause). I am going off for now about to go to the movies and watch X2(and I don't mean the route that runs along Benning Road and H street, LOL!!!).
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I leave my house at 1:30pm so I start out by taking the F which was running express from 18 Av-Kings Highway heading towards Av X. So I ride that [on purpose] and I take it to Kings Hwy; in which it was a very fast ride where I will wait for the Manhattan-bound F. So about 2 minutes later my F comes and I take the R46 F towards Manhattan and we go through the stops very quickly [had a aggressive T/O] and then through Rutgers we go about 50mph then I get off at West 4 to wait for the A. So I wait a couple of minutes before a R44 A arrives on the express track so I hop on it and we go smoothly until we get held b/c of a red signal before 59 St/CC for about 5 minutes then we get moving again. Then we go express via CPW and its a good run then I get off at 168 St to catch the 1 which I would take to 215 St to catch the shuttle bus. The 1 takes a couple of minutes to com then a R62A comes I take it and its a quick ride and I saw the 207 St overhaul shops in the process.
So I'm at 215 and I wait a few minutes before a Artic with a broken destination sign; it was stuck with Bx1 destinations; but was a 1 train shuttle. So it gets pretty crowded on 5465 and then we're off towards 242 St. We do good at first getting through 225 St but then we get caught in traffic in the Bronx crossing the bridge and takes about 20 minutes to reach 242 St. Not too many shuttle buses were needed since the Bx7 & 9 runs via Broadway and I see a Bee Line Artic; 550 on the 2. Then I wait for the next bus to come which is 6034 and we wait a couple of minutes before we finally leave and via Broadway the same result caught in traffic mixed with the Bx9 and the Artic shuttle bus in front of us and we don't get much speed on this trip toward 215, so I decide to take only 1 round trip.
The buses I saw:
KB:1076,5465,8831,9657
GH:409,411,467,470,5272,5395,8046,9235
MCH:6003,6034,6039
I was thinking about walking around KB but my train was coming so I went upstairs and there was a big crowd with cramped space trying to get to the train. SO I get on a R62A and I head back down towards 168 St and the T/O goes type quickly down the line until I reach my stop, where I would transfer to the A. I go down and a R38 arives and we were forced to run local to 145 St then express down CPW, so I get the RF window and then were off. The train is a fast starter and we breeze through the local stops then we switch onto the express tracks and then after we bypass 135 and stop at 125, the CPW express begins. So were heading down towards 59 and we gain good speed going 38 mph at one point until the timers at around 86 St just kill the good run and we go no more than 25mph until we reach CC :-\. We stop then head towards 42 St and the T/O does great bypassing 50 St going hitting 43mph at its peak and pulls in the station at 35mph [WOW!]. So then I get off here to catch the 7, went down the passageway & I just missed a R62A and there was another one waiting at TS so I have to wait the 5 minutes until we leave. We go rather quickly through the local stops and the C/R repeatedly announces that there is no subway service towards Main St and the last stop is Willets Point. So about 25 minutes later we reach Willets Point and I see Casey Stengel depot on Roosevelt Av and there's a BIG crowd wanting to go to Main St so then I go downstairs to wait for the shuttle bus.
I go down and I see 4019 wearing the JAM stickers, I'm like WTF this bus was in Hudson Pier?! So guys, the head scratcher of 3469 MIGHT be solved and it may be in Queens after all :-0! Anyway I hop on it and its a good starter but the driver doesn't take advantage of a empty road via Roosevelt but does OK, then when we were officially in Flushing the traffic really builds up and the B/O lets the passengers out and I walk around the block to catch the 7 shuttle heading the opposite way. So I let 8386 go since it was packed and I board 9268 and I take it back to Willets Point. So I'm waiting and I'm thinking if I should ride the L shuttle and I decide that I will so I wait for 9265 and we don't leave for about 5 minutes due to the train crowd. When we leave, the routing was just weird, going on Roosevelt then going through a traverse road in Flushing Meadows Park [am I correct on the park name?] then we make a few turns and go on Roosevelt heading the right way. So we go abot 40-45mph on Roosevelt before we get caught in the swarm of traffic and it takes 10 minutes to get to Main St from College Point Blvd and furing that time some dumbass has the nerve to pass gas in the bus, people can be so nasty :-\. Then I get off and I decide to head towards Jamaica but which bus I would take I would have to think about that. Man, a Artic would of really came in hady for this one! Now imagine if the shuttle bus was from.... lets say Woodside, now THAT would of required at least 50 buses, 14 were used here alone that I saw.
The buses I saw on the 7 shuttle:
JA: 4019,9265,9268
QV: 8352,8377,8386,9373
CS: 154,270,283,570,648,6130,6132
I will make a second post on my long trip.
Does anyone have complete route desciptions for these and other subway bus shuttles -- I know there are about 4 inthe city ,,right now
thanks,in advance
steve
L towards RP:
On Fulton, L on Herkimer, R on ENY Av, L on Junius, L on New Lots, R on Hinsdale, R on Stanley/Farragut, L on E 105 St, R on Flatlands, R on Rockaway Pkwy, R on Glenwood, L on E 98 into the bus loading zone.
Towards B'way:
L on Rockaway Pkwy, L on Glenwood, L on E 105, R on Farrgut, L on Snediker, R on Atlantic, L on Pennsylvania, L on Jamaica, R on Broadway, L on Van Sinderen
1 towards 242:
On 215 St, R on Broadway, u turn on 242 to head back to 215
Towards 215:
On Broadway, straight down to 215, L on 215.
7 towards Main St:
On roadway at Shea Stadium, R on Roosevelt, R into traverse roads in the park does some turns then R on Roosevelt straight to Main
Towards Willets Point:
L on Main, L on 39 Av, L on Janet Pl, R on Roosevelt, R into a road off Roosevelt at Shea
About your note of having an Artic, isn't Queens slated to get them, or is that just a myth?
Thanks :-). I wasn't surprised at that myself however if you thought the Q48 would of saved you, you were wrong b/c that was just as packed, if not worse so walking was the best solution.
About your note of having an Artic, isn't Queens slated to get them, or is that just a myth?
I can't give a definite answer on that but it seems like more of CS's Orions are going to QV so you never know.
So I'm in Flushing and I just missed the Q44 so I see a Q25 stopping at 40 Av so I walk to it and as usual a moderate line of people waiting for the bus. So I hop on the Orion and the B/O was driving like he didn't know how to use the gas :-\ so we go no more than 20mph on my ENTIRE ride to Jamaica Av & 160 St and to make matters worse we made so many stops since people we're boarding & exiting. I thought about getting something to eat but the Q8 was coming so I said forget it let me kep my money, I see the bus and I hop on the RTS and we do good via Jamaica then after we make the turns to run via 101 Av its all good :-D. The Q8 driver at one point goes about 40mph on 101 Av and the driver didn't have to make too many stops since a good set of people were heading into Brooklyn. So we reach Euclid Av where I go downstairs to catch the A or C, whichever comes first.
So I wait a couple of minutes before a R44 A comes in and I hop on the express and I take it one stop to Broadway Jucntion where I get off to connect to the shuttle bus. So I exit B'way Junction and I see 9145 so I get on but realized there were no seats left but anyway I stay on it and its a good thing I did. We leave and we do the usual route of this L shuttle but this time we turned onto Futlon St then onto Penn Av and I'm like what is this???? Next thing I know, people are saying this is a express bus to RP and I was so happy that the express was rinning THIS TIME; last time the excuse was the weather. It does good speed but we stop in between twice with passengers saying that the B/O did NOT let people know it was heading straight to Rockaway Pkwy. So then we go about 45mph at one point via Flatlands then we go through where the B6, 42 nd 82 goes and lets riders off there.
So I go out but then I decide to go back inside the fare control and they were giving out transfer tickets; which was missing last time; so people don't have to pay at B'way. So I get on 4332 and it takes a couple of minutes before we leave. The driver was very good with the bus and was chatting with 2 passengers about the softseaters and the B/O says that she doesn't like to get those because she prefers the space in the aisles. At E 105 St, a rider tells her that the dest. sign says 911 CALL EMERGENCY so we stop and she resets the sign then we're off again. At New Lots Av, the B/O makes the light but then she tells one person that now you know where the stop is and he says there was no sign [which there was not] and then they start to exchange words, using profanity and such. Then he demands the badge # in which she doesn't show then they still argue with each other for another stop or two then he takes down the bus # and talks about how foreigners think they better than everybody [she is of West Indian descent, probably Jamaican and has a heavy accent]. Then she keeps driving until we arrive at Broadway Junction.
The buses I saw on the L shuttle:
ENY: 4633
FP: 4709, 9145
JG: 8551,8554,8562
UP: 4332,9099,9310
FB: 8410
So I swipe my unlimited and I go downstairs to the A/C platform and I wait for the C to come, letting a A go. So I hop on the R32 C and take it to Frankiln Av where I get off to catch the shuttle, which I caught a minute before it was scheduled to leave. I take that to Prospect Park where I get off to tak the Q to Newkirk then I wait a few minutes before I take the B8 and head home. WHEW, 7 hours of riding the system it takes a lot of energy I'll tell you that.
R46 6114 (F)
R46 6071 (F)
R44 5213 (A)
R62 2408 (1)
Artic 5465 1 SHUTTLE
Orion 6034 1 SHUTTLE
R62A 2208 (1)
R38 3995 (A)
R62A 1751 (7)
RTS 4019 7 SHUTTLE
RTS 9268 7 SHUTTLE
RTS 9265 7 SHUTTLE
QS Orion 441 Q25
GBL RTS 1154 Q8
R44 5478 (A)
RTS 9145 L SHUTTLE (exp)
RTS 4332 L SHUTTLE
R32 3872 (C)
R68 2920 Franklin
R68 2902 (Q)
NF 864 B8
NOTE: I'm riding the A and L shuttle buses tomorrow so if anyone wants to meet and ride along with me, respond to this post tonight or early tomorrow.
At Hempstead,I let the 3:37 N32 bus to Far Rock go cause I needed to use the bathroom and ultimately decided to take the 4:07 N31,letting the 3:57 N32 go as well.While waiting for the N31,I walked over to the train station and spotted an M-7 train that eventually left OOS.The only car number's that I was able to see were 7052-7054. Afterward's,I went back to where the N31/32 stop's and apparently for some reason the 3:57 N32 never showed up so everyone piled onto the N31 that I got on and off we wentThe bus # was 104.It was a nice ride but the bus got packed since the 32 didn't show up.I was hoping for a nice,almost empty ride but...oh well.
We arrive at Far Rock then I walked on over to the A train station and hopped on an R44 A train and took that to Jay St where I then went to Livingston Plz to pick up my work for next week which only see's me having 1 day as a reserve at ENY Depot.OHHHH! I hate being a reserve!It sucks!I prefer to be doing something rather than doing nothing at all!Anywho,after that,I walked over to Hoyt St and caught a 3 train with the WF window and took that to 96St where I took the 1 train home to 157St.
If anyone wishes,on Monday I'm gonna take a trip to Rockaway Mall using Lakeland bus route 80 to the mall then coming back to the city I'll be taking the MCM 10 bus to the Dover RR station then hoping on the NJT Middletown Line train that leaves Dover at 4:56pm.If you wish to tag along,meet me where the ticket window's are in the PA at 11:30AM so that we'll have plenty time to catch the 12Noon 80 bus. I hope someone decide's to come.I may go out on my own all the time but I'd like some company every once and awhile.
This is a very common problem at LI Bus. Happens way too often on the N20/21 as well out of Flushing, often my N21 will get loaded, because the Roslyn or Great Neck "short runs" dont show up.
Probably because as usual, the bus broke down.
There's a change now on this trip.I'll be taking this trip on Tuesday since it'll be more better that day.The NJT arrives at Penn Sta at 7:01PM,and I wanna get home before 8pm.So again,if anyone want's to come,let me know,respond here or email me and I'll see ya at the PA at 11:30AM or so.Tommorow I'll be taking a trip to Bergen and Paramus Park Mall's instead.The trip starts with the 178 bus from the GWB at 1:55pm.
There's a change now on this trip.I'll be taking this trip on Tuesday since it'll be more better that day.The NJT train arrives at Penn Sta at 7:01PM,and I wanna get home before 8pm.So again,if anyone want's to come,let me know,respond here or email me and I'll see ya at the PA at 11:30AM or so.Tommorow I'll be taking a trip to Bergen and Paramus Park Mall's instead.The trip starts with the 178 bus from the GWB at 1:55pm.
I assume that you meant NJT "Morristown Line" train since there is no NJT "Middletown" line. The "Southern Tier" or "Port Jervis" line goes to Middletown, New York. And the "North Jersey Coast Line" goes to Middletown, New Jersey.
Oh, and yes, I have heard of unsuspecting passengers taking a Coast Line train when they wanted Middletown, New York. And I assume it has happened the other way around, also. On a similar note, I have heard of passengers going to Annandale when they wanted to go to Allendale.
Whoa! First off, Bayside High School is my Alma Mater. So I got to defend it. How do you know it's Bayside? Think for a minute...Holy Cross (Q16, Q76), St. Francis Prep (Q76), IS 25 (Q28, Q76), and yes Flushing High School but also include John Bowne High School (Q20A, Q20B, Q44), and many more schools on CS routes. So, the point of this message is this...don't jump on Bayside High School until you have some REAL facts! If you do, I'll apologize on BT.
The other bus was a conventional transit bus to bring people from the parking lots to the main gates. Corgi's model DOES NOT HAVE folding back doors.
Wayne
QV: Bayside (Q31)
Francis Lewis (Q30,31,88)
Cardozo (Q30)
Van Buren (Q1,43,88)
Bowne (Q88)
Jamaica/Edison (Q30,31)
Hillcrest (Q43,83)
JAM: Francis Lewis (Q17)
Jamaica/Edison (virtually ALL routes)
Jackson (Q4,77)
Springfield Gardens (Q77,85)
FP: Newtown (Q58)
Cleveland (Q38,54,57)
ENY: Lane (Q56)
Richmond Hill (Q56)
That's not even taking into consideration DOT-franchised routes, private schools, junior highs and the other boroughs. So you can't just pigeonhole two high schools in one borough served by one depot's buses.
For the record, the rowdiest after-school kids I ever saw came from Staten Island's Saint Joseph By The Sea, in the 'peaceful' southwest corner. Along with smoking, drinking and scratchiti, they used penknives to carve up the 'vandal-proof' Kings' Plush seats on the S78's 1999 Orion. When we somehow reached Tottenville alive, the driver commented that he'd had an easier time with Brooklyn high school students when he used to drive out of ENY.
4658 B9
6290 S78
BIG AL
You're sure it was Midwood HS. I know the B9 passes behind E.R. Murrow HS in the Midwood section.(My alma mater) The B6 and B11 buses pass in front of Midwood HS.
B9#4644
B6#3698
B11#4617
All Old School
As for old school, I would count out 4644. It's back at JG. Too bad 4652 isnt around anymore (it just got towed to Nimco), because some schoolkids should have had to ride that bus.
Also, I can only imagine where the kids would have been rougher on the B6: in Bensonhurst or in East New York (specifically, I am talking about Lafayette H.S. and the school at Jerome Street and Cozine Avenue in East New York.) That is why I think (but it won't happen) that if the X27 can go back to Gleason, transfer over these buses to UP and JG (b/c it won't be RTS for much longer) and have them use these buses for the schoolkids:
3902, 3951, 3986, 3997, 4360, 4367, 4379-80, 4408, 4413-4, 4416-8, 4420-2, 4424-5, 4433, or any of the 45 King Specials in JAM (the 45xx ones, especially reconstituting 4567 just for them)! (Notice that I deliberately left out 3987, 4359, 4390, 4393, 4410-11, 4428, 4431, 4482, 4543, and 4552. These buses are too good looking or still have a lot of speed in them.
I'd like to see the shock of Bay Ridge schoolkids when they are forced to ride the 1985 and 1986 (Walnut oringinals, not the ex-Queens Village units now in UP) crappy buses. 4408 especially will have them saying What the ****! (Where's 4412 when you need it?)
Adam
4408 B8
4408 Bx17 (old school)
43
4644 Q56
4644 B9
Guess They Like THe Kids LoL!!
#9086 - B6 - LTd
#9090 - B6 - Local
-Jay
We weren't that bad back then - now I don't know.
Smoking was common on the buses, even back then, and also more problems came from S78's & S59's from Tottenville HS.
Yukon has old RTSs which I believe are supposed to be used on these routes. When I was there, the specials were usually 1981-1984 RTSs, with occasional 1981,1982,1985 Suburbans showing up on the S59.
I personally have had a lit match thrown at me whilst driving the bus; been spat at; been verbally abused countless times; and have had numerous objects thrown from the bus whilst it was in motion - including seats. Really the only way to stop this is for bus company management to meet with school supervision and sort something out this way, such as ID passes for the children or supervision of loading by teachers. Simply allowing the children to get on and do as they please is not good enough and is a recipe for trouble. The police are a good option (I have tried this myself) and generally do have a good effect.
But the best method of controlling the problem is to have 'bus monitors'. These are two, maybe three children (Preferably, the biggest) who, in return for free travel on the bus, are expected to keep the others under control and report any problems (and names) to the driver/school. This has been tried on one particularly problematic route and worked a treat - although, it is worth remembering that the 'bus monitors' have to be the biggest and hardest kids, ie those which any others would be frightened to mess with!
Ultimately, when it comes to it, it seems NORTHERN Queens people hate their buses the worse. Just look how they 'mark their territory' on those buses. Jamaica and QV, as I said before, have no problems. :-/
Please provide supporting evidence of this statement, such as daily operating statistics furnished by the Department of Buses...or stop saying such things if they cannot be backed up by facts.
David
Again, if there is proof of a bus shortage based on information provided by NYC Transit, please provide it.
David
David
David
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
This shot is rare because I was detoured around this lake that has a beautiful reflection. Seen this lake before and always wanted to pose a bus by it but could never do it since its not on the line.
Enjoy,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.org
Chapter 11 Choo Choo (Lyrics)
www.railfanwindow.com
Prime Example, yesterday for a 9 hour shift, I only had 18 passengers total and turned in a whopping $5.80! So that was one of the trips that I basically rode from end to end by myself!!!!
Trevor
I REALLY can't complain because I basically get to cruise around in a bus for 9 hours and get photo opportunities and such like those in the previous post. Thought it does get boring at times. But sometime friend will come and ride to keep me company!
OH and usually its a 35 foot bus, but I broke down earlier that day and picked a 40 footer just to be funny! The 94 line RARELY sees 40 Foot Action, so this makes this a double rare photo!
Regards,
Trevor
Thanks
On Saturday's,he does the TOR 94 route starting at 3:30PM from Spring Valley and Sunday's he does the TOR 59 starting from Nyack at 5PM. I know his schedule since he told me and I ride with him on a almost regular basis.The TOR 94 is the last bus route I've never been on that he drives so if he doesn't decide to do the TOR 91 and 92 on his next pick then I won't be such a almost regular traveling companion anymore unless I go when I got nothing else to do and don't feel like staying home.
I laugh at supervision, sometimes right in thier face!
Trevor
Wayne
It seems for a driver to stop there they must stop in a right turn only lane and then according to the traffic laws most make a right turn since its clearly marked with a right arrow.
If the police want any driver on the B-20 who stops there can get a ticket for failing to make the required right turn
Thank You
When NYCDOT installs a bus stop at a right-turn bay, it implicitly creates a "rider" exempting buses from the mandatory-right-turn regulation. Then again, you can always sue if you feel personally aggrieved.
Unless there's a green arrow there now?
I remember that turn well, living just 10 blocks from the intersection in Marine Park. Back in the 70's, my dad who drove the B5 at the time would make the turn with the B7. It was "cute" watching two fishbowls circle in the middle of Kings Highway.
Unless it specifally says except buses
Then the vehicle MUST make a right turn
My source is a New York City Police Captain who was a neighbor of mine at one time
Thank You
Bladensburg started things off again including JD2460 and 61, followed by two Northern artics 5205 and 5302. Neither were seen for the rest of the day. After more CNGs came some Royal came next then some Landover routes. And again more of Bladensburg's CNGs came and with those came 2463, leaving only 2464 not running the Fed Ex Field shuttles. More landover came in and then some four Mile Run including one Orion VI(2022), and then some more Royal buses. After them came alot of Royal and then Annex/Southern came. Last but not least Arlington came in, including 9607, 09, 16. All three are not repowered,which might mean none of Arlington's 9600s have gone in yet for repowering. Western did not send any buses and Northern didn't send any 40 footers for the second day of the shuttles. Another Neoplan artic showed up late in the day, but other than those two, the other being 5318 Neoplans really didn't show up much. More CNGs were running and less artics were running. Still was a good day.
Two more observations I saw Tuesday and today. Tuesday I saw a B30 bus on the F13 and it was standing room only followed by a Orion VI on the T18 with more standees on the bus. Today I saw 4309 on a 30 route, this is the first time I saw that bus in a while.
Saw Ride-On 5607 being towed on Friday (or was that thursday???)
Wayne
Suffolk Transit:
Orion V: 9919,9942.
HART:
502.
MTA-LIBUS:
Orion V-CNG:312(N79).
Then teh S1 showed up-absolutely my favorite, #9615. This is a complete rolling billboard and looks incredible. The Bus is a Gillig and currently operates out of the E.B.T. division in Lindenhurst. Im wondering, will more Suffolk buses get this wrap done and why doesnt NY get in done? The TA could make money from it. Im sorry i didn't have a camera with me, id lvoe to have had a picture of it. If anyone sees Gillig #9615, take the pic-its worth it.
Dave
D.
So I go downstairs at the Jay St station and after I go down to the platform the A is arriving in the station so I hop on the R44 A and the C/R announces that all trains are heading to Lefferts Blvd and you have to catch the shuttle bus to go to the Rockaways and JFK. So I'm enjoying the express ride via Fulton and then we go through the outdoor stops rather quickly until I got off at Rockaway Blvd to get the shuttle bus and in the process took a transfer ticket. I'm downstairs and I wait a few minutes before the B 98 bus arrives and I get on Orion 6136. Pretty good ride but the bus was steaming hot and was capped at 40mph, making a normally pleasant ride very uncomfortable :-\. So when we reach the Rockaways he lets the people off on Rockaway Freeway [a first for all the trips I ever took on this GO]. I cross the street, get a snack from the store then 2 buses drop off passengers but we have to wait almost 15 minutes for the next one to come.
So then 9536 finally comes and we get stuck with the train crowd & it is nearly a crush load in the bus then after all that we're off. A fast starter we hit 40mph on the bridge then after the tolls we go slow for a while but then the speed comes back but the bus is capped at 40mph; man too bad many of the Queens buses wouldn't be able to go over 50mph it made the A train shuttle bus more interesting but this is good. Anyway we're heading via Cross Bay and then out of nowhere 4900 comes and passes us over the bridge near 165 Av then we trail it the rest of the way we arrive at Rockaway Blvd. Then I decide to take a second roud trip so I cross Liberty Av and I catch 4934 and that gets pretty crowded and then we depart. Very good driver gaining speed whenever a open road was possible, then after 165 Av we go out about 45-50mph [not capped] and the driver was type aggressive :-). Then after I reach B 98 for the second time, I see 8360 so I run for it before it leaves and I take the front seat then we leave. This bus was the fastest repower I've EVER been on! This bus had awesome accel and we hit 55 mph at its peak on the trip until we reached RB.
The buses I saw on the A shuttle, Enjoy!
CS: 288, 456,565,578,634,641,6136
JA: 4555,4558,4568,5145,9536,9544,9563
QV: 525,532,4900,4927,4930,4934,4944,8352,8360,8361,9359,9363,9364
I go upstairs and the A is coming so it arrives I hop on the R44 and I'm heading towards Broadway Junction. The T/O is very aggressive and quick and on the express run from Euclid-B'way we probably hit 40mph and on the Liberty curve he took that at about 30mph then we arrive and I go outside to catch the L shuttle. I go and there's a big crowd and then 8112 shows up, loads the bus then we're off. We go smoothly but after leaving Livonia on Junius St there was a truck blocking most of the street and the B/O has to go on the sidewalk to go around and there was a bread truck on the left side and the driver maneuvered it perfectly :-D! Then we go through the rest of the ride and at RP, I walk to get onto 4634, so we wait a couple of minutes until the driver comes and we leave and during the trip the A/C comes on and to shock and amaze, it was WORKING! :-0 then we head up Snediker and we go through all the stops until reaching B'way and I get off to do another s/b trip so I see 9572 and I hop on it then we're off. We do good throughout then as we arrive at Rockaway Pkwy, he lets off at the B60 stop at Glenwood Rd on RP and then I decide to wait for the B60 which I will take to the B8 to head home.
The buses I saw on the L shuttle:
ENY: 4634,4948,8112
FP: 9140,9572
FB: 5115
JG: 8460,8558
UP: 4863,9087
So then I wait a few minutes until I see the B60 come so its a quick ride to Linden Blvd where I get off to catch the B8; two of them were leaving at the same time so myself and another person ran and luckily the driver of 916 let us in saving some time. So at first we do good but then we start to drag and the bus in front which was the late one was pulling away [fast]. So we go no more than 15-20mph between Remsen/Church and E 46/Av D and the bus in front, 818 was long gone. Then the B/O picks up the moderae speed again until I reach my stop and then I head home. Very good trip and I really enjoyed it.
NF 981 B8
RTS 8413 B41 LTD
R44 5397 (A)
Orion 6136 A SHUTTLE
RTS 9536 A SHUTTLE
RTS 4934 A SHUTTLE
RTS 8360 A SHUTTLE
R44 5248 (A)
RTS 8112 L SHUTTLE
RTS 4634 L SHUTTLE
RTS 9572 L SHUTTLE
RTS 4428 B60
NF 916 B8
To add to the A Shuttle, there were the following buses also:
664
4933
4019 (JAM bus now, no longer @ HP)
I had 5145 going to B 98 St. On Cross Bay, when we hit the long straight stretch without lights, the bus maxed out at a top speed of - 55 MPH. I saw the spedometer (was in front seat). I thought only the expresses were governed to 55 and locals to 40????
To add to the L Shuttle, also saw these buses:
4631
5111
5015
I rode the 1 shuttle from 215 - 242.
As we got off at 215, went downstairs and the bus pulled up. I was happy to see one of my favorites - and perhaps the best Low Floor buses - Orion VI 6358.
I rode that from 215-242 and then went in to dunkin Donuts for Coffee.
Here are all the buses I saw on this shuttle (this was around 12-1PM)
444, 6358, 5301, 8836, 6000, 6109, 5322, 9136, 8816, 466, 6113, 6011, 5459
Wow, Fort Totten to Foxchase via Crystal City, now that's a long route;-) (Note: rollsigns have been doctored by the photographer;-)
Anyone remember where the original 64 terminated? It now terminates at Ga. Ave- Petworth, but it used to terminate in downtown. I'm thinking Federal Triangle, but I could be wrong.
Also, anyone wanna try their luck at planning what roads this route will take to get from Fort Totten to Foxchase via Crystal City?
Bill "Newkirk"
David
9342 M98
5173 M98
Jamaica-#9250-#92xx.
Queens Villiage-#92xx-#92xx.
Yukon/Castleton-Orion v.
It does happen.
Hope It Help
#9090 - B6
#9299 - B74
Please provide the date of the memo and the name of the person who signed it. There are hard-seaters on the B1 seven days a week.
David
4331 B1
4331 Q46
9068 B1
9068 B82 (UP)
9068 B82 (ENY)
9068 Q56
-Jay
4497 Bx36 (very old school at Coliseum)
4497 X27
4497 B64
4497 B6
I need the history on early era RTA 197.
I have a print of it in the RTA yard painted up and carying a 3 piece headsign.
I have heard these were lease jobs of former LA(?) 4801's via f***face.
Advise.
Thanks,
S
Here are some pictures I took. Please excuse the quality of the shots... they were taken from inside my bus, through tinted windows.
Another note... for some reason, Disney has a toy version of the E4500... It's Matchbox scale, about $10 I think, and carries the Disney logo. Very detailed, right down to the MCI logo. Used to be available in black and red, I beleive Red is the color now.
Please send the corrections when you get a chance.
Thanks!
A Shuttle again from Rockaway Blvd to B 98 St or Howard Beach
L Shuttle again from Broadway Jxn to Rockaway Pkwy
N Shuttle from 86th St to Kings Hwy.
My guess is that JAM, QV, and CS will handle the A Shuttle. Anyone know how many buses are going to be used from each depot??
On the L, I guess, FB, FP, JG, UP will all have a part of it. Number of shuttle buses needed????
On the N, my guess UP will take that one, and how many buses again??
Interesting to note that this weekend the 7 Shuttle from Willets Point/Shea Stadium will be operated by LIRR, not buses. Why??
Also, any chances of seeing any of the Manhattan or SI Depots involved??? (ie 126th, HP, CAS, YUK???)
I saw 2 buses from 126 on the L shuttle on Saturday, 5038 & 7558 but no and seeing a SI bus is almost out of the question. Also there are 3 shuttle buses but in the late night only coming up next week:
1-Chambers-South Ferry
L-Myrtle-Lorimer St
Q-Brighton Beach-Prospect Park
For the N shuttle I rode it before and its only 2 buses, not much to see and is very short. On the A I counted about 30 buses and on the L about 10 although a few more could of been added. On the 7, I'm just as confused HOWEVER it is something not to miss and I expect many Bus & Subtalkers to ride the FREE shuttle LIRR train; the shuttle bus took about 10-12 minutes to go from A to B.
Anyway...here's the deal:
We want to plan a trip where we ride NYCT buses in every single borough of NYC, starting with Manhattan, ideally. Then we would hit The Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island, in that order, and eventually head back to Manhattan via the ferry (the ONLY time we will take a transportation medium OTHER THAN the bus. The trip is planned to start off at around 930am or 10am...
Here's the details and highlights of the trip plan:
M1 (or M102) to 125th Street (Ride a Mother Clara Hale Orion V on M1 or Quill D60HF on the M102)
Bx15 to The HUB-3rd Av/149th St (Ride an Amsterdam Orion V)
Bx55 to Fordham Plaza (Ride a Gun Hill D60HF, Limited-Stop service, artic action at Fordham Plaza)
Bx9 to West Farms Sq (Ride a Kingsbridge D60HF, view of West Farms garage)
Q44 to Main St-Flushing (Ride a Stengel Orion V, West Farms garage view, highway action, Flushing action)
Q58 to Ridgewood (Ride a Fresh Pond RTS, Woodhaven Blvd action, Fresh Pond avtion @ Ridgewood, pass by Fresh Pond depot)
B26 or B52 or B38 to Tompkins Av (Ride an Fresh Pond RTS)
B43 to Prospect Park (Ride a Gleason C40LF or Orion VII CNG or RTS)
B16 to Bay Ridge (same as above)
S79 to Staten Island Mall (Ride a Yukon Orion V or RTS, view of Yukon Depot)
S44 or S61 to St George Ferry Terminal (Ride a Yukon or Castleton Orion V or RTS on S61)
S.I. Ferry to South Ferry Terminal (ride a ferry boat)
Trip ends at Whitehall St...with possible D60HF sighting at South Ferry...
Again, like I said, plans are not definite, and the itinerary and it's details are subject to change at any time...
The fare, you ask? If you are interested in joining us, let's just say, bring an Unlimited-Ride MetroCard and some lunch money (just make sure no bullies try to steal it from you!) and you will be all-set...
For more details, e-mail Gary at q19a@aol.com and Incognito at tristate_transit@yahoo.com
Thank you very much for your time!
Incognito
B1-#3969-RTSII-04
B64-#7516-Reman RTS
Adam
(Sigh) Here we go again with that.
BIG AL
Thank You
Thanks in advance.
BUT...with 35mm SLR's, they do wonders, especiallyif you are interested in bus and train photography. With an adjustable polarizer, you can make the window glass glare all but disappear -- and make the skies deeper blue, make clouds stand out more.
I've used them for eons on my 35mm equipment....
D.
1) NJT 403 - 31xx Flxible Metro B - The usual crappy-windowed Flx that NJT runs. Didn't wast my time trying to see out the window, had to deal with thr ringing in my ears during the trip.
2) SEPTA R2 - Car 428 - basically an uneventful trip, except I saw NJT arrow pair 1386-87 at the Amtrak shops in Wilmington. Also saw another Jersey Arrow car at the Delaware Car Co. Got off at the Amtrak Station.
3) DART 6 - Bus 102 - Gillig Low Floor - These buses are really nice looking. I love the window arrangement, every window the same size regardless of the portion of the bus (low or high). Got on at the Amtrak Station, and got off at Rodney Sq.
4) DART 4 - Bus 533 - NABI low Floor. Boarded at Rodney Sq. This the first time I rode a NABI Low Floor. I hate the positioning of the rear door, I think it is too close to the front door. The engines sound like SEPTA's Flyers instead if their NABI's, I guess that is the generation of engines installed in these buses.
I rode to the Adams 4 plaza, then walked around the block, behind the shopping center is the DART garage. I got a good look at the buses, seeing mostly Gilligs and NABI's (the group of buses that replaced the most handsome buses in the DART fleet, the Flxible Metros). I went back to 4th st, and caught 533 on the return trip to Rodney Square.
5) Sat at Rodney Sq, and watched the various NABIs and Gilligs. The Standard floors are quite handsom too. they have the same engine sounds as the SEPTA Flyers as well. Then DART bus 103 on the 33 arrives. It's another Gillig Low Floor, and it filled up quickly with commuters. The trip goes on I-495 and 95. However, when the bus hit the highway it did more sitting than speeding. In fact, I-95 looks like a parking lot, with all of the traffic. It seems that we went 55 feet per hour, rather than 55 miles per hour. If finally got off I-95, went a short way on DE 1, to Christiana Mall. The first stop was the park and ride lot, where most of the passengers got off, then the bus went to the mall proper. I got off, and waited to ride back to Wilmington. While waiting, I saw a cutaway on the 63 line. The bus had a Twin-Vision sign.
6) DART 40 - Bus 529 - Back on the I-95 crawlway. The traffic moves even more slowly, but the backup is directed to the Delaware Memorial Bridge. After that exit, the bus seems to pick up speed on its way back to Wilmington's Rodney Sq.
7) DART 32 - Bus 922 - The old "City Circuit" line has become the "Wilmington Trolley" with the faux Chance Trolley buses.
8) SEPTA R2 - Car 159 - on the short ride to Chester.
9) SEPTA 109 - Bus 5403 - New Flyer Low floor.- Depressing trip through another ghastly town of Chester. Another faded city turned crime-ridden slum. Fortunately, I didn`t pass the site of the latest heart-breaking murder, thats on the 117 line.
10) SEPTA MFSE (Blue) line. Car 1127. These cars are only 4 years old, and they are beginning to look ragged. The scratchitti, those awful seat pads, and SEPTA's non commitment to constant cleaning makes these cars look worse than they should. I know they may have money problems, but it is no reason to let the equipment look like shit.
11) After getting a Whopper at Burger King at 8th and Market, I hopped on the 403 home. I got 3161, a Flx Metro with clear windows. What a way to end my day.
In DC:
Not much to mention, although I did see the New Flyer low floors and Neoplan artics. I saw my first suburban WMATA bus...it was chartered, though. I also saw a Metro E painted in the new scheme...speaking of the new scheme, will it be painted on all of the older buses like it was with SEPTA's Neoplans (the 3000 series)? It has been such a long time since the new scheme went into place, and yet I see quite a few buses in the old scheme. However, I saw more Ikarus American artics in the new scheme...they look nice in WMATA's new scheme...I think better than they did in the old one. How old is the new scheme, anyway?
In Virginia:
I saw this new bus company that operated for the city of East Falls...it was on the highway that the Orange line runs alone, and was a low floor...I think a Thomas SLF, but I'm not sure...what is the story of this company. Is it a system like the bus or more like Ride-On? Of course, I saw more metro buses, including a 35ft Flxible, painted in the new scheme. In Peak hours the route that served the hotel ran pretty often, and even had service at 4am (I wouldn't get into why I was awake at that time), but I don't know the route number.
In Baltimore:
Neoplans are an endangered species here! I saw NABI after NABI, and even soem Flxibles, but not one Neoplan. I saw one Flxy in the new scheme, which was pretty cool, and I saw one NABI with the number 0003- what an interesting number series. What I liked about the MTA's Flxibles is the LED tail lights. They certainly aren't as good as the original lights, but they are more spread out in the places where the old lights would have been, instead of bunched around in the bottom like the WMATA flxes.
The bus I rode around:
a prevost model
This is one of the newer series that you see on the road today. It's a nice bus but it's very tall! The AC by the windows was kinda annoying, but much better than the MCI ones...not as noticeably cold. It had a smooth ride as motor coaches do.
Speaking of this bus, we used it the entire weekend...there was another bus parked near it while we were at the museum...most of the members of the group thought that the other bus, an MCI classic style coach with silver siding along the bottom, was our bus, which has no silver siding! Argh, those ignorant "suburban folk" hehe.
You didn’t recall what make it was? Back on November of 1998 WMATA had a MCI model 102-DL3 demonstrator they were running on the J8 Lakeforest Bethesda express. The bus had North Dakota tag N269. On a later investigation the terminal supervisor told me that this bus MCI 102-DL3 is the first of 10 that WAMATA has purchased to use on some of its express runs.
John
Unfortunately I did not have my digital camera with me at that time. I would guess WMATAs staff photographer Phil Portlock took some pictures of the bus for WMATA image library.
One of these days I am going to get access to this library and scan a bunch of the slides in the collection.
John
When WMATA's buses go in for rehab, most of the ones were also painted or when they had major damage or major repair they were also painted in the new paint scheme. Some 87s, 89s, alot of the 88s, 93s, 94s were painted in the new paint scheme. All of the 96s, 97s, 98s, 4000 series Flxibles are in the new paint scheme. None of the 92s were painted in the new scheme and only the Flxible 30 footers that were in service for Ride On got the new paint scheme. Any metro B that is not in the paint scheme, will not get it since they are due for retirement over the next couple of years(DON'T BET ON IT THOUGH).
Hay! ! , I think the Maryland State flag on the rear quarters looks pretty classy.
John
John
The bus has marking that indicate it may have been used prior to scrapping as a mobil classroom for NYCT employees. Both doors were retro jobs and appear more modern than the rest of the bus. Also has A/C units on the roof. I was on a schedule and couldn't take the time to get a good look at it, but did spy the #: 92B0001
Can anyone ID the bus I saw?
I'm also surprised HP killed almost all of their 4100's(thank God they didn't get dumped here). If old RTS's have to get pushed out of Manhattan, don't send them near me.
It has 7534 as active, but the fate of that bus is unknown, so I will give Glenn that one.
As for the JAM issue, I would think that they may be short on buses, because each of these buses that have come in is a replacement for a scrapped bus. (3469 is 4567's replacement, and 4019 is 4592's replacement, or it seems it.) The amount of RTS buses has been 166 for some time, looking at the roster over the past year.
Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-An Orion V of unknown #, probably 4000-series, 7th & Pennsylvania, NW
-Flxible Metro-E #4020, 7th & Independence
Also, for those of you with discriminating eyes may have noticed the new mirrors that are being installed on Metrobuses. I do not have details on how these mirrors are being selected, I just know that they are new :p . I believe they are the same mirrors that the New Flyers came with originally, unless those were changed too.
Wayne
John
Regards,
Mark Valera
www.transitalk.org
I saw 1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #9257 with 2x2 seating on the Q88 last Saturday morning. So I guess they both got 2x2 seating, huh? What about bus #9252?
Vince
(NYCTMCID4500@aol.com)
Incognito
Regards,
Mark Valera
www.transitalk.org
9288 X27
9288 Q43
Peace
David
4786 B6 Limited
Where are they getting the seats from Retired buses?
My dining room windows face Ave U. I will keep a look out for conversions.
Facing AVE u is a pleasure as a bus fan. Not only does the B3 run on AVE bur it is a major route for buses deadheading to thier line such as B44, B49 and most Command Bus express lines.
I feel sorry for Command express bus riders as I saw a Comand GMC RTS heading to one of the express lines. I rode home on one of these on the BM4 last year, kets just say my insides felt like they were going to fall out driving through the battery tunnel at highway speed
Regards,
Mark Valera
www.transitalk.org
Meanwhile, I was standing across the street observing the whole mess. On that side, a local radio station was making fun of these people, complete with "EAT SPAM" signs and megaphones. Around the 12:00 hour, bus lines serving that stretch of road were suddenly getting held up by parading chicken lovers. The BOs patiently waited for them to get out of the way, and drove on. One route had to take a detour to avoid them; eventually, police ran them off the premises.
The KFC people were so grateful for the radio guys making fun of the protesters, they brought everyone two big buckets of chicken to devour, and plenty of free meal coupons. Meanwhile, I got some great pics of the bus holdup. Look for those soon.
-F.
Hey, how was that chicken? Bet it was great if it was Extra Crispy!
On that note, is anyone doing anything to preserve some of those cars, or are they all focused on putting chickens into Club Med?
Too bad that option is considered to be "cruel" ;-).
I am looking for historyon RTD 197-199 leased old looks.
Please advise if you hae the histories on them.
S in LA
Adam
4499 NIS (pulling out)
3469 NIS (pulling out)
4555 Q5
Orion V: 121,123,127,129,130,6332,6333,6335,6337,6338,6339,6340,6341,6342,6344,6345,6346,6347,6348,6349.
RTS:
3972*,4219*,8294,8295,8296,8297,8300*,8303,8305,8308,8309,8311,8315.
The Yukon Orion buses definately need new windows. Most of them are scratched, but what i don't get is if the windows being scratched are plastic, why doesn't Yukon replace them at night?
B68-#895-Flyer
B36-#4780-TMCRTS
B64-#9310-NOVABUS
S79-#6336-Orion V
S55-#125-Orion V
S61-#6329-Orion V
S53-#6145-Orion V
B63-#7573-Orion VII
*-buses not repowered.
BTW: You should have stop by on B82 because we been doing Ridecheck Survey today & thursday also i seen alot of 4300's, 4400's & 4600's in East New York Depot oh i forgot there are two scrap buses are #4430 & #4644 just left to scrap yard.
Peace
David
---Chapter 11 Choo Choo
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David
No offense
But what you do sounds terribly mind numbing and is exactly the task that computerized monitoring systems excell at.
One positive developemtn that will make automated bus monitoring easier to deploy in manhattan is that verizon is installing 802.11b wireless hotspots on top of most of it's phone booths in manhattan. Using these hotspots to transmit bus information and location just got alot easier for NYCT to deploy
David
Peace
David
---Chapter 11 Choo Choo
The current system reveals a one dementional point in time at a particular location. An automated system allows to collect more information that allows 3-dementiolal analysis over a period of time. It is this trend that reveals more accurate information
In better information I mean more information that will allow bettr models to be put together.
As for the cost. It is not as high as you may think. It is definatly kess then $6 million a year. Plus the straphangers campaign is getting on the MTA's back to provide next bus information system in place. The system i speak of is directly related to this system and would cost a small amount of money more then the genaric next bus system.
It is a different world technology wise the 10 years ago.
NYCT is not a jobs program. it is a transportation agency. It is your unions place to make it part of the agreement that current traffic checkers are gauarenteed a position at the MTA in some capasity. For most traffic checkers that means a big raise.
"If we used a comp to take care of the data,there would alway's be mistake"
Actually thier would be far less mistakes. A two traffic checkers watch are not syncronized, missed the train number or the copied the information into the database incorrectly
Human beings are prone to make errors on repetitve tasks, computerized systems are made for repetitive tasks.
"So in that situation all we can do is give an estimate of how many people there could be in a subway car or bus with the knowledge of the number of how many people can fit in each"
The sensors on the train or bus would also only give an estimate that is all that is needed.
The point you are missing is that under the current system you are randomly checking and doing surveys. under the automated system the system is ALYWAYS CHECKING DOING SURVEYS ETC. 100% of the time. In all locations at the same time.
Plus the same system will allow dispatcher the information to make real time decisions to reduce bus bunching.
It gives bus and train schedule planners more information in order to better schedule service.
Plus it could also be used to provide customer information on next train at bus stops and platforms, tell riders that the next train is a 4 car train that will be stoping at the front of the platform etc
Plus don't be fooled into thinking that manually taken data can not be manipulated from the time it is written down on paper to the time it is entered into the database. It happans especially when someone is accountable.
Also bus driver who are aware or tipped off where the traffic checkers are can manipulate thiere driving patterns to not to appear ahead of schedule
this happens daily on the B3 bensonhurst bound right before nostrand ave checkpoint. Driver who are ahead often make phantom stops to kill time.
The automated system would catch this and allow planners to rescedule the bus so that it is spaced better, eliminate the run etc. Since the system knows where each bus is at all time it keeps bus drivers on schedule. Metrocard inforamtion could be overlayed to create accurate ridership models as well. The possibilities are endless
Wireless technology has come light years ahead since the early 1990's. The MTA should give automated bus tracking a secound shot. It could be done with cheap off the shelf components
That's why most bus checks are of the "ride-check" variety, conducted on every trip over two days. The checker rides with the driver and records the time (as well as passengers getting on and off) at each stop. While the system is still not perfect, it's the best that can be done without automation.
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this happens daily on the B3 bensonhurst bound right before nostrand ave checkpoint.
As has been explained previously, that "checkpoint" is a dispatcher's post and the "checker" is a dispatcher. While checkers record data to be used in developing future schedules, dispatchers regulate the operation of current schedules.
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Driver[s] who are ahead often make phantom stops to kill time.
"Dragging the road" is a clear symptom of too much running time. Either the borough's Road Control office or the depot's union leadership should complain (not very likely, though) so that special attention can be paid to that segment of the route during the next full check.
Peace
David
BIG AL
B4-#9334-NOVABUS
Mark
-Jay
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Okay, here's the latest:
126th St Depot
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #9044, #9049 and #9190-9228
1999 NovaBus RTS-06 #5030-5054 (buses #5030 and #5045 are repainted)
Michael J. Quill Depot
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #8924, #8926, #8979-8980, #9029, #9037-9039, #9042-9043, #9045-9047, #9050 and #9186-9189
1999 NovaBus RTS-06 #5170 and #5172-5176
Manhattanville Depot
1996 NovaBus RTS-06 #8981-9028
1999 NovaBus RTS-06 #5025-5029, #5171 and #5177-5189
Hope that helps. Of course, this could change!
Mark
#9043- M50
#9047- M50
#9186- M50
Put #9099 On Lane #3
Yesterday while leaving a store reopening move in Waldorf, I saw a B30 bus that being 4393 on the C18, not many people on it though. Also I saw later going down Branch Avenue an Orion VI, I assume on another C18 run going towards Waldorf, couldn't get the route number, had a metro message on the destination sign.
Today deemed to be the oddest. First I saw a repowered 9600 leave from the Landover station, landover garage area, I assumed it was a deadheading from the landover garage going to probably going to Montgoemery. When I was close to it I saw what looked like people getting off of it and when I got up to it and saw the bus number and if it was on the A12, it was 9650 and it was on the A12 going towards Capital Plaza. Could this mean that some of the 96 series repowers be coming to landover or is this just a fluke, a loaner from Montgomery. Well later tonight I saw 8878 deadheading from downtown. What is strange about this is that this bus was from Landover and Landover doesn't have a route going downtown. I didn't get to see the run number as traffic backed up and I was in the lane that was moving so the bus quickly disappeared behind me. It might have been deadheading to the Annex or even southern. The other noteworthy observation was seeing 4309 on the 42 heading towards Metro Center. Haven't seen this bus for a while and for the past two out of three days have seen it.
I find I also have a tendency of seeing that bus many times over just a few days, then it dissappears, and then later, see it again often for a few days. Then the cycle repeats. At least Western Division isn't like Ride-On Gaithersburg Garage. You can get the same bus on each run every day for 4 months straight or sometimes even longer.
I've also seen a B30 bus on the C18. I had spotted it once on a Saturday back in the winter. I saw an Orion VI once too. I don't see the C18 very often, but when I do it's usually a Metro-D.
Wayne
Then he's still going no faster than 20mph so I get off at Delancey and I wait about 15 minutes for the B39 to come. I saw 5514 and 5547 running BTW. While waiting, I saw 2 girls, one looked FINE & the other girl that had a goatee, a 5 o'clock shadow and looked like a transexual and I was like OMG she [or he?] is hideous looking :-0. These other guys waiting for the M15 was making fun of him/her and I was like she's so damn scary. So then 5060 FINALLY shows up, loads up and then we're off. We turn on Delancey and pick up passengers at Essex then we're heading over the Willy-B and this ride seemed to go good until mysteriously the driver slows up and goes no more than 20mph, I'm saying to myself WTF and takes up both lanes in the process. We arrive at WBP and its the worst & slowest B39 ride ever in all the times I rode it over the years I mean geez she could of at LEAST kept up with the speed limit.
So then after I get off I go to the B44 lane where I wait for the B44 LTD and 9406 pulls in and I was ready to go in and the driver asked if my "legs were tired" I said no LOL so I waited outside for a few minutes then he let the few passengers that were out here then we depart WBP. We do good via Lee Av going at good speeds and on the Nostrand Av stretch north of Fulton we just blasted through the local stops then at Fulton St the train crowd got on the bus making it crowded then we get caught in a little gridlock around St Johns Place then on the dip towards Empire we went about 45mph on it and it was real cool :-D. Then we leave and the B/O is a aggressive driver honking at slow moving cars and such then when we arrive at Church Av, most of the passengers get off but a good set comes back on. Then in between Church and Av D he let a person with a baby off at Tilden Av then we resume again and a slow moving car hinders our speedbut then the B/O has a opening on the left lane, goes around it beating every light until I reach Newkirk to catch the B8. Saw cops on all 4 corners at Newkirk/Nostrand had to wait 15 minutes before the B8 comes so I hop on 816 and I take it home.
RTS 8683 B8
R40 4398 Q EXP
R142 6346 <5>
RTS 5038 M15
RTS 5060 B39
RTS 9406 B44 LTD
NF 816 B8
---Chapter 11 Choo Choo
In other News, all 78 1990-1991 Orion V diesels are listed as in service at Norman Levy Depot. (The 1990 coaches are not used and are kept in the shop yard fully operable). Three Gillic Phamptons are kept in the rear (engines and seats removed). One 1991 Orion V is equiped with the AVL bus tracking system.
So, on Dutch Broadway the N8 will run with the N1 on Elmont Rd? Or just follow the N2 to Green Acres. Can you give a description of the route in general? The N3 I assume will now be like the N26...a rush hour bus? Thanks for your information!
If I am reading the original post correctly, the new N8 will run on Dutch Broadway only on the westerly portion, i.e., that part that now runs between today's N2 and N3. Frankly, the suggested routing for the N8 seems silly in that the northern portion would duplicate the N25 and the southern portion would duplicate the N2. Bus sevice along Emerson Place, south of Franklin/Wheeler Avenues would be abandoned.
If the Dutch Broadway portion is correct, perhaps the N8 will actually be the reverse of the original post, following the current N2 route north of Dutch Broadway along Meachem Avenue and following the current N3 route south of Dutch Broadway, along Franklin Avenue and Emerson Place. This would make more sense, because the N25 covers Franklin Avenue north of Dutch Broadway and the current portion of the N2 south of Dutch Broadway is not heavily patronized.
I recollect a post about the N8 months back, but at that time it sounded like the N3 would merely be extended from Franklin Square to Hempstead. Guess we'll have to wait and see what the new N8 really is!
[If the Dutch Broadway portion is correct, perhaps the N8 will actually be the reverse of the original post, following the current N2 route north of Dutch Broadway along Meachem Avenue and following the current N3 route south of Dutch Broadway, along Franklin Avenue and Emerson Place. This would make more sense, because the N25 covers Franklin Avenue north of Dutch Broadway and the current portion of the N2 south of Dutch Broadway is not heavily patronized.
[I recollect a post about the N8 months back, but at that time it sounded like the N3 would merely be extended from Franklin Square to Hempstead. Guess we'll have to wait and see what the new N8 really is!]
I think that would make more sence to have one route between Hempstead and Green Acres Mall. But I'd Suggest that It run down Dutch Broadway, Down Elmont road, turn on Linden to join back up with the the N1 route. That way Dutch Broadway would be Serviced.
You think so? Im not sure becausr Roosevelt Field is closer to Hempstead, a quick ride on the N35 would be better than a trip on the "N8"
So will this route will go up Franklin ave and head over to Jamaica? Or will it basicly be the off peak N3?
I need route descriptions for all routes in Nassay Cty,,to list every street each routes utilizes,,in each directions,,INCLUDING Turnarounds /Short Turns
Thanks
Steve
FDNY
THis is the end my many attempts
to obtain this info --- I know there are LI Bus drivers on this site
I will pay for this info ,,after it is checked out ,,by me
I asked what will happen when Gleason becomes 100% CNG which i believe can happen this year
If that is the case and CNG's are banned from the B-51 i would like to speculate and say that the B-51 and B-65 bus routes will be transferred to East New York and that the B-45 will go to Gleason
Here are my reasons
1-Both the B-51 and B-65 share the same common Brooklyn terminal at Smith Street and Fulton Mall while the B-37 and B-45 share the same downtown Brooklyn terminal at Court and Livingston Street
2- With the TA increasing driver interlining more than ever it seems that such a switch will make sense.
Anyy comments
Thank You
Good point but why would ENY want the B65? Is it because the B65 ends near ENY?
1-It will even out the work load of both depots if the change is made
2-B-51 buses can pull out and run off in revenue service via the B-65 instead of operating light
3-The B-45 if sent to Gleason can pull out and run off in revenue service via the B-37
Thank You
-Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
B82 NovaBus #4963
B60 NovaBus #5212
The depot is just a building, and thus cannot want anything. If the Department of Buses wants to reassign a route, the route is reassigned.
-Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
I still like to know how this was put in the first place without higher ups being aware of it
Thank You
Interestingly enough, both Anthony Williams and the governor of VA whose name I can't recall at the moment (my mind just went blank) are out of town. Can't blame them considering we have Code Orange once every other month it seems...
Chuck Greene
Yes, I heard - It's on CNN. They said it's the Law School library.
Wayne
Chuck Greene
See my post of what I saw today, alot of weird stuff. I might have seen some buses Western got from Montgomery
463, 473, 543, 633, 668, and 6299 all having caught fire within the last year. Common theme here, and what can i serve with your fried onions (eh, orions)?
Adam
AM
9642 was on the D2 this morning, usually an awful looking Orion II usually does any D2 runs.
2421 was on the D5
8762 was on the 42
9308 was on the 13B
9745 and 9784 still have their flags from the AAFB shuttles as well as another Flxible Metro 4000 series (I don't know which one it was)
PM
2088 (ex southern, was at Landover last) on the 5A or B(FMR)
8818 (ex Landover, might have been at Montgomery) was seen on the D6
4002 used to be at Montgomery but was spotted on I street in downtown DC this afternoon, I couldn't see the route number as the route number destination sign in the rear wasn't working.
I am supposed to be going on a bus trip tomorrow and the way things are going their will be more surprises.
CNG on the D5 seems strange, it is a Western route and I am not aware of any split runs.
GUN HILL: Bx4,5,12,22,26,28,29,30,34,39,402 and Bx55
KB: Bx1/2,3,7,9,10,13,16,18,20,32,41 with one am x on each of the following lines: Bx28,39,402, and Bx55
MCH: M1,7,30,60,98,and Bx33
WEST FARMS: Bx6,8,11,14,15,17,19,21,27,31,35,and Bx36
100St: M101,02,03 and M86
MTV: M2,3,4,5,10,11,18,96,98,104,106
MJQ: M6,8,9,14,20,21,22,30,34,42,50,Q32
126ST: M15,31,35,57,66,72, and M116
Steve
From what i understand from my sources is that nothing is set yet and its depending on the status of the takeover of the private lines from the DOT
However 100th Street is suppose to be all articulated with the M 79,M86 ,M101,M102 and M103 routes only
Thank You
I guess not
--Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
-Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
B44 Limited NovaBus #9432
Oh well, I can't really hope for a company like New Flyer to deliver lemons. Well, at least you're driving something you like, and I don't have a problem with New Flyer products, just the boring engine/tranny combos they are putting out now.
Props to Ride-On for doing this.
-F.
We had an incident almost two years ago where a man stepped out in front of a bus (no. 0102) and was struck at an intersection, which left him bleeding and comatose for several months. Every day since, I always thought of that whenever I rode that bus or saw it ride by. But it was a brand new bus at the time, and guess which ones go out first? Two hours later, despite all the grief felt by passengers and drivers, 0102 was back in service, complete with a mended wiper arm. Meanwhile, the driver was relieved for the day (and the following week) due to grief and advisement of his superiors.
Since then, new memories have taken place inside that very coach; for one, my girlfriend and I shared one of our first bus rides together in it. Not long after, both of us got to drive 0102 at the conclusion of a roadeo...and it was the first time she ever drove a bus. What I used to refer to as the "Christine Bus" was no longer thought of that way. New memories can replace the bad ones at the front of the mind.
However, this is not to slight what happened to either victim, especially not Conrad Johnson. I am merely stating that buses can still be operable, despite what happens to those around it. If only people were as repairable as they are.
Sincerely,
Fred Donaher
-F.
They are parked in the old Sears parking lot adjacent to the Pico-Rimpau loop.
I had a small incident there last week when one of the LaFours security tried to grab my camera. He nearly went home in a cast.
Anyways if anyone is in the area and can get in would be cool to see what they look like.
They are some sort of 300's and the marker lights are the dead give away they are not RTD issue. Also they have black rear fins. I am thinking Community Transit or that-a-way material.
Also saw allot of "Dead" TMC's out today.
2257 running out of Div.3 with a 6 sticker still.
2259 D6 a true survivor.
Saw and photographed 2169 on the 426 last week working for 8.
Former 8'er now 6'er orig 7'er 2106 was out on the 20 last week.
Lots of oddball 2300's are turnign up at 3 as well as 10 and others.
The 4400 rehabs are now getting matched white bmpers as 4405 has, saw 4418 yesterday on the 201 orange headsign black bumper. Amazing that came back after years with ATE!
NABI's are going full blood Rapid in no real order, just random 7100's, 7300's and more are getting it.
The next shakeup will be insane, the runs are written by madmen, and the fare hike was approved Thursday.
Can you belive I printed up a roll of film shot in May 2000!
It was mostly of the roadeo but had some killer shots of 9016 at Division 1 in the dead lane area.
I never thought I would turn in a roll this late with shots of "Live" RTS. Even one had 2352 in ATE service.
Life in LA rolls along.
Sean
One photo came out of the Seattle M.A.N's casper, no big deal.
As stated when I got the photo of them from the street some hothead security guard flies out and tries to grab my camera.
I intercept his hand mid flight and ask to speak to the head cheese.
He tells me "Terror alert blahblahblah" so no point to press the issue.
This is run via Dean Carson the king shiester of TSI/CCW bus resale fame and they are very anti-busfan.
If I get any more info will post, just thought I would post so when it comes out you know its not the once NYCTA 8990 M.A.N artic demo.
Sean in LA
My girlfriend swore up and down it was a Fishbowl, so we argued mildly for five minutes as I explained that those were made by GM and not Flxible. Meanwhile, we ate dinner, which consisted of all the free food I got from KFC as a "Thank You" for making fun of all the protestors that were holding up their business (plus traffic and local bus service), claiming restaurants are cruel to chickens. :)
-F.
-F.
Opening scene is RTD Flxible 6270.
Midway thru the movie in the "Five Spot" diner bat wing GM TDh5303 RTD 5075 rolls by.
When the dog takes a dump its a batwing 6100 Flxible, same order as your 6270 just RTD added the wings to selected units after delivery.
Earlier Flxibles, and GM old looks can be heard in the background.
A brand new 1000 GMC T8H5307 can be seen in a background shot parked in front of the Asbury. I wonder if that building had a tie in tot he Asbury Rapid Transit outfit, the sign is styled very much like the ARTS emblem of old.
And yes it was a Santa Monica 4519 or 4521 at the very ending scene dummy painted for RTD, note the number duct taped over and "Operator carries no change" decal on the side. I would give organs to see photos of that bus.
I love this movie as I live about a mile from where it was filmed.
The Car Wash was knocked down in 1987 but most of the area remains the same.
Where the "Five Spot" diner was is now a Philipino video store, I went by there about a month ago and told them to look for the movie and see what it looked like.
Scenes with Danny DeVito (Shares my birthday) and others were chopped from this movie, I would love to see a restored extended footage version.
Also the soundtrack is one of the best of its time by the legendary band Rose Royce.
Its a great movie as it shows my area "How it was", now its little Central America, the Bog-6 market is still around and s a hilarious "Wanted" board with polaroids of past shoplifters.
Its quite a historic area and is only a shame he legendary Bullocks Wilshire sits sadly dormant from its past use.
Steve didnt you have a relitave who worked there?
Sean in LA
By earlier Flxibles, do you mean Old Looks or New Looks? If the latter, was the different sound due to pre-1967 T-Drive setup?
And yes, I figured a few Fishbowls were in the mix. The same held true with "Taxi Driver"; while a 7000-series (?) Flx rolled by, the Fishbowls of NYCTA were the most prevalent. Very popular buses!
-F.
RTD never ordered nameplates removed until 1989 when the "Two Stripe" paint scheme was introduced thus all repaints and in service buses lost thier respective emblems.
Ok now to the movies.
Myself and others have collected movies and TV shows just for the bus content.
I will rank them by city.
Los Angeles
Skyhiest 1975 TV Pilot later circulated as a TV movie, I have a rare copy. It was a prelude to C.H.i.P's but used LA Sheriff helicopters instead. Has a great story of a gold hiest invlving a former Key System/AC Transit old look doctored up as RTD, with the Riddler himslef Frank Gorshin as the driver. Was shot in Division 7 and shows all sorts of great buses from the time including the last two tone green 4801, Georgia Peach old looks, and lots of other cool stuff.
Car Wash 1976 movie already reviewed.
Rockfrod Files TV show had an episode guest starring Tom Sellick involving RTD buses.
The Couch Trip has allot of 1980's RTD buses used. Most were RTD hand picked oddballs like Grumman 7601 with sniper window at the rear, and GMC RTS 9110 with its short lived "Every other sliding window" setup.
Short Time movie with Dustin Hoffman he rides a Flxible (7245?) after a robbery.
"Wrongway" RARELY SEEN SCRTD driver training tape.
The story begins on a then new Flxible Metro 2517 where our charachter Wrongway is sitting, reading a Playboy amgazine, smoking, and spilling coffee everywhere.
The first passenger comes on and asks him a question, tells him his smoking is annoying her ashtma, and the fun begins. Passing up stops, leaving wheelchairs behind, and laughing at the passengers with a dirty grin keep the laughs rolling.
I am very fortunate to have an origonal and if anyone wants a aught get in touch with me, its the best of its kind.
I think the Simpsons stole this tape and used it for the "Larry the bus driver" segment. Wrongway "taps the sign" also, and was made in 1989.
It also features another less funny short thattakes place in a bank, but has lots of great RTD propaganda and bus footage.
I recently met the driver (Now supervisor) who played Wrongway, he was amazed that anyone knew what it was and how we loved it. It was considered a very serious tape when it was made.
San Francisco didnt have many bus themed movies but "The Laughing Policeman" is one of the best movies of the 1970's and features a story relating to a MUNI Mack.
The TV series "Streets of San Francisco" has allot as well.
OK now for New York movies. Heres my "Top Ten" list, I include backgrounds and subways on this roster. No sloppy remade movies either.
#1 Taking of Pelham 1-2-3 (Yes a predictable choice I know)
#2 Gloria (Orig version)
#3 Desperately Seeking Susan (I love when Madonna gets off the Liberty Lines MC9 #2041 and the scene of her changing in the Port Authority. HEYNOW!)
#4 The French Connection
#5 Ft.Apache the Bronx
#6 Badge 373
#7 Taxi Driver
#8 Shaft (Orig version)
#9 A Panic in needle Park
#10 A Dog Day Afternoon
What other ones can be added in to these lists?
Sean
Saw it recently on Bravo or AMC. It starred Raymond St. Jacques and Godrey Cambridge, with supporting roles by Redd Foxx, Lou Jacobi, Eugene Roche and other character actors. Saw an unabridged cut. Judy Pace with no clothes on is better than any bus you'll ever see.
Thanks, Hart.
I looked her up and have one question, did the scene you mentioned include a full "bus stop triangle" if you catch my drift.
I have to look for that movie.
I also forgot "Truck Turner" is a truly funky movie that has tons of LA bus stuff in it.
Sean in LA
1970/71 was the borderline for full bus stop trianle footage and photo in the US media so it may or may not.
Should look it up on mrskin.com for that matter.
Sean in LA
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The coach is alive and running well, with over one million miles on its chassis. It was supposedly featured in Bus World Magazine around the time of filming.
Fred Donaher
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Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
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I'm not sure of the livery, but it looks very much like what we have on our ex-Blacksburg (VA) 5303, which was originally from Richmond. It is white with matte black around the windows, along with a triple stripe design (silver inner, maroon outers) down ths sides.
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Also, "Trading Places" features a SEPTA Flxible New Look. And do I really need to mention "Speed"? :)
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Its a kickass movie if you like 50's and early 60's music as there is no dialouge track, much like an early silent film only a musical track.
Sean in LA
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Check online it isnt a hard one.
But certian other ones are "Out of Print" and sell high at retail shops.
Sean in LA
-Fred
This came via BK in VA, a good source of references to these.
You get to have so much stuff in your colelction you begin to forget! But most of my favs have been listed down these posts.
Sean in LA
A very realistic crash scene follows in which Roy Scheider convertiblizes a Pontiac Ventura by skidding it under a parked tractor trailer at the Route 100 Millwood exit off the (at that time) newly widened Northbound Taconic Parkway.
This is slightly unrealistic as no commercial trucks have ever been allowed on the Taconic. In addition, the Hudson River separates the Taconic and the Palisades Parkways and there is no place where one connects to the other.
Inspite of these minor points, the Seven Ups is an awesome movie and I highly recomend it.
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Sean in LA
She gets on a RTD 1000 series GMC T8H5307, and has a cool segment with interior sounds etc.
It also has a great nude scene with her, if you are so inclined. I think one of her few ever for that matter.
Also of note today when sorting bus photos I found two snaps I took of Dennis Hopper from my friend Phil's bus in Ocean Park, Ca one block away from where he blew up the Grumman in the early part of "Speed".
Cool dude, didnt even notice.
Unlike Alfose Pacino who cussed me out in Santa Monica.
The fun keeps on rolling.
Sean in LA
Speaking of that--I know the ill-fated Grumman was ex-SCRTD, do you know which one it was? (Hopefully not 7645, my first ever Grumman).
Also note they made phony bus stops and parody SMMBL bus schedules with the bogus "Santa Monica Intercity Bus Lines" logo instead of the SMMBL triangle.
When that bus company was still worth dealing with.
I saw SM new look 5170 out on a Line 4 tripper this afternoon.
Also note in later years some of the Speed fishbowls ended up wearing "Municipal" instead of "Intercity" lettering by its owner.
Not sure if any still exsist.
Sean in LA
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I beg to differ about the area remaining the same. The old Robert Taylor Car Wash was replaced by a mini mall with the key building being an Oriental fish store. Cal's Restaurant, across the street, where I used to eat after playing chess in MacArthur Park closed for lack of business and reopened as Al's with an Asian menu. The entire neighborhood has changed ethnically with hardly any original businesses remaining.
>>> Where the "Five Spot" diner was is now a Philipino video store <<<
Of course, the Five Spot was never a real diner. It was a vacant storefront with props put in it for shooting the movie.
>>> Its quite a historic area and is only a shame he legendary Bullocks Wilshire sits sadly dormant from its past use. <<<
You haven't been by lately I take it. For several years now, the old Bullocks has been part of Southwestern School of Law. It is used as the school's library, and extensive renovation of the interior, respecting its art deco origins was done. The interior is now quite beautiful, but not open to the general public.
Tom
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About halfway through the edited scenes of Jacked to Vegas rolled and lets say reaction was a tad meek.
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So absurd it was watchable.
Was funny as the dorkey white cop also layed a Memphis cop in one of my fav episodes of "Route 66".
The bus snips in the backgrounds, and the leading chick made the stupidity of the movie go by all the faster.
Sean in LA
I have had some insane and amazing experiances on these shoots one could never imagine.
From the early days of "Blade" to "The Italian Job" there have been some really interesting ones.
Lets see how many I can remember.
One if not my favs was in 1999 for the Counting Crows vid "Hanging Around" in Echo Park. Was just a great set and crew, the best moment was at night when some jackass sitting in 7728's drivers seat nearly ran the entire crew down when he released the parking brake.
"Italian Job" was fun especially in 2363 with the chopper hovering overhead about 10 feet from the buses roof. It was a very long shot to set up as the chopper had to lower down into the intersection at 7th & Flower scaring people in the hi-rises out of thier wits. Also had allot of funky extras.
I remember hanging in Hollywood with 1135, 2847 and other stuff. Of if those photos ever made it out...
One of the worst sets and crew was for that production from Spain at 2nd & San Pedro. No food, no set security, no restroom, restless homeless in the adjoining shantytowns. Remmeber "Gus the bus driver" and his collection of crap like the disco ball on the rear view mirror? I love the story of how they lost you in the chase car they were filming from some 20 miles away from where you were at 2am.
The one at LA City Hall with 2847 was cool when I got all the GSPD cop car pics. he night shot with 2847 is one of my best. You should post it.
About a year ago we did "Waiting for Ronald" aka "Waiting for Retard" was a funky no budget deal with 2847 in Brea, Ca. Best line was when he went to a pay phone and began to scream madly "HELLO JESUS?????" repeatedly.
I was also brought back to LA from San Fran after the 2700 shoot in SF for the Japenese music vid. The 2700 trip is one of the best ever, esp the "Fresno Stop".
Others come to mind with nearly all the fleet, but dont register as to names or dates right now.
I remember "Blade" quite well, amazed I made it home alive that night from skid row LA. The incident where the crackheaed emptied my used Coke can was putrid.
Its been interesting and I miss going along on them. At the meet today Andy Novak puched up your site and looks good.
Love seeing my work on there.
Whats up for the weekend?
Sean in LA
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This trip started once I got off Amtrak at 8:15 am.
1)N22 - 9394 - Got on my favorite Flxible models, the Metro B with the Cummins engine. Rode to 3rd and PA SE. Saw some of the extra security in place (extra cops).
2)34 - 2314 - Passed up a crowded 87xx Flxible for this CNG Flyer. As I wrote in my NYC Big Ride post, the CNG engines sound different than the Diesel ones. WMATA and NYCT engines in these Flyers sound the same. Got off at 7th and Constitution NW, then paitenly waited for the 70 bus. Passed up the NABI 5202 so I can ride the Neoplan.
3)70 - 5312 - Got my first ride of the new Neoplan artic. These buses are closer to the Bee-Line artics than the SEPTA artics. The series 60 engines are suited for these buses than the series 50 that are used in the SEPTA buses.
4)Z8 - 4362 - Short trip to Cityplace mall in Silver Spring for a bathroom break. When finished went out in a downpour to catch # 5) - F6 - 9729 - for the trip back to the Silver Spring Metro station.
6) Red Line - 1102 - Rode the original Rohr car to Gallery Place. For years ,I thought DC wall scawlers were quite inferior to the NYC and Philly scrawlers (Who is "Disco Dan"- how corny), but in recent years, they had caught up. I`m impressed.
7) Yellow Line - 4088 - If there is a "Code Orange" it wasn't all that evident. I heard an announcement, but saw not too many cops out there, but my observations were limited so I really cannot judge the quality and dquantity of the security on Metrorail. Got off at Crystal City. At Crystal city, I got to explore the various malls attached to the Metro stations. Went shopping at Safeway, Rite Aid, then went to the northern part of the Crystal City shops. If this was a sunny day, I wouldn't think of staying indoors.
8) Yellow Line - 4053 - Went 1 stop to Pentagon City. I needed a larger bag to carry my junk, and I didn`t want to pay a lot of cash. I went to Marshall's and got this cool-looking Speedo bag for 13 bucks. It can carry all of my crap. I`m happy now.
9) Blue Line - 1238 - Rohr car. Pentagon City to Rosslyn. Uneventful trip.
10) 3b - 5156 - Got out in the open (yuck!) and rode this baby Flxible with the Smartrip box to West Falls Church. I noticed that WMATA assigns Baby Flxes to this route, except for the 93xx I saw in Falls Church. At WFC, the 3B became the 3T.
11)28B - 2113 - My second Orion V. Got comfy in the back seat for the looong ride to Alexandria.
12)Yellow Line - 4032 - Short hop to Natinal Airport for another bathroom break. After doing my business, got a look at the TV monitors with the Weather Channel. Saw the forecast for the weekend, MORE F&*KING RAIN! When will this shit end?
13) Blue Line - 5018 - My first ride today on a CAF car. Funny, I thought they ran only on the Green Line. Rode from Nat. Airport to Metro Center. Sat in the seat behind the operator`s cab. Also noticed that the door chimes sound like the ones on PATH.
14) Red Line - 1241 - It`s 4 pm and the Metro is starting to get crowded. Rode from Metro Center to Bethesda.
15) J2 - 9349 - Rode the Metro B that looks like the Metro E. to Silver Spring.
16) F4 - 9769 - Rode the Metro D to Prince Georges Plaza. Noticed that the bus doesn`t use Toledo Terrace anymore. What gives?
17) Green Line - 5137 - Smells like a new car. But the 5 to 7 minute trip to Fort Totten took like 20 minutes. We sat at PGP for 5 minutes then spent more time inching its way to Fort Totten.
18) Red Line - 1059 - Rode to Glenmont. I LOVE GLENMONT! It has a KFC next to the station, and I love to eat there.. What convenience!
19) Red Line - 1273 - After a lovely chicken dinner, I hopped on to begin my leg back home to Filthydelphia. But when I got to Union Station, I had an extra hour and some to kill, so I did a little extra ride.
20) D6- 2386 - Rode from Union Station to Stadium Armory. I remember back in the day that this route was part of the 42 line.
21) Orange Line - 3080 - Noticed this train had a 4000 series and a 3000 series cars coupled together. I thought that WMATA kept their car series separate like NYCT.
22) Red Line - 3123 - my last train in DC. Made it back to Union Station with 10 minutes to spare. Caught the 9 pm train, and that`s another story.
So I didn`t let a few (ha!) raindrops ruin an otherwise beautiful trip. Now its time to take the red pill and get "Reloaded".
Other than the crappy weather, sounds like you had fun.
This tag "Disco Dan" has been around for years. I remember seeing some of his earlier work alone the B route Red line when I use to live in Sliver Spring back in the mid 1980s.
John
So far, I have barely gotten through a yard sale (tomorrow is our rain date, and guess what's in the forecast? :), have been forced to take a change of clothes every single day, white-knuckled a trip to have graphics printed for customers with my ONLY copies (I now keep spares at home), got stuck at work due to cancelled bus service, left a jacket somewhere in a haste to get around, gotten SPLASHED by passing cars every time wait for a bus, and now a local stadium concert that our bus museum is providing shuttles for has been moved inside a civic center, where I can NOT hear the music playing as I load passengers. And a lot of things are not getting done in the meantime. I am really glad I am not doing landscape work like I was this time last year; I would starve and live in a mission! Oh yes...did I mention that I live in a town where there are only five bus shelters, and one is restricted for city employee shuttles?
If Mother Nature keeps this up, there is no way she is getting re-elected. :(
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John
About riding in the rain, the RTS' Queen Surface are very leaky, especially near the edge seats. I notice the problem is where those oval-like holes are in the top are. Thank god the Orions are replacing them, but it seems they're not faring any better with the recent vandalism.
Good bye, my friend and good luck! We will ALL miss you!
-Adam
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Robert
Thank You
I started off by getting Flxible Metro B 9368 and took it to New Carrolton. On route to New Carrolton, I saw 4390 with its bike rack in use, also it is a B30 bus used on the F12. At New Carrolton saw 9650 about to do a T18 run. I also saw 9703 with the "J11-Greenbelt" in all its destination signs when it was supposed to be "T16-Greenbelt". I next got Flxible Metro D 9768 and took it to College Park. I then grabbed Orion V 4344 on the C8 and took that to White Flint. At White Oak the bus got packed with students, but it only lasted a couple of blocks. That is one of the few times that this route got crowded. As we left Glenmont(with the KFC next to it, lol), I spotted Ride On 5410 with what looked to be safety cone stuck in its middle mudguard. I think they lost it somewhere.
I got to White Flint and I was thinking to myself they should put a bus depot under the new conference center. I got 5563 Orion V and here is something that I have been seeing (more hearing) lately, the driver announcing stops, the major ones anyway. I was hoping to catch either 5547 and or 5801, well one out of two isn't bad. I got 5547 at Rockville on the 55 and took it to Lakeforest. I must go to the bathroom at the Government Center more often, things seem to happen. The last time I use their facilities I saw the demonstrator Orion VII. Maybe I should have gone again, I maybe could have gotten 5801. Leaving Rockville, I saw 9631 finishing up a T2 run. What is so odd about this one was that it was on an even 30's route just yesterday. At the intersection of Route 355 and Shady Grove Road, I saw 5616 broken down, its rear hatch was up with blinkers on.
After eating lunch, I got Orion V 5591 on the 55 back to Rockville, and if I saw 5801 at Shady Grove I would have gotten off and took, no matter where it went, but I didn't see it anywhere. I got off at Rockville, and waiting on both sides to see if 5801 would show up and after seeing almost every CNG bus enter service, I decided to get the 47 to Bethesda, which happened to be Orion I um, er, ah 55 something, I couldn't see the number as it wasn't on top of the bus or inside of the bus. I got to Bethesda, had to take a bathroom break, just missing Flxible B 8789 on the J4 and got later got repowered Orion V 9621.
SOMETHING ON THESE REPOWERS AREN'T WORKING AND IT AIN'T THE ENGINE
Starting with the bus I rode, the following repowers doesn't have its destination signs 9621, 9625, 9636. The bus I was on got cut off by a fruitcake who was trying to get into a thrift store(@#$%&?+!). The bus got back to College Park and I waited for the F6 back to New Carrolton, and waited, and waited. In the meantime, I saw a rarity, and that was a diesel on a Bladensburg route that being 8848. I thought the University of Maryland's commencement was done last Saturday, I saw Gillig 7101 and 7401 doing commencement shuttle service from College Park station. I waited and I waited still for the F6 to come. I also saw 2376 with it bike rack about to go into use on the 83. I waited and waited and....... up came 2045 Orion VI. I don't know if the schedule is done this way or it was stuck in traffic or what it took about 50 minutes to come, after I got off of the J4. I got to New Carrolton and passed up The Bus 63036 on the 21 that would have left 15 minutes earlier and gotten 8814(repainted and rehabbed with no bike rack and new mirror) on the F14 and took it home, or somewhere close to it.
The trip was ok, wish I could have gotten 5801 but it won't be going anywhere(hopefully not) soon, so I have plenty of opportunities to get that bus.
B1-#9333-NOVABUS
David
David
The Beach Shuttles will both discharge their passengers at West 10th Street from the subways
On the return trip they will pick up only at Surf Avenue and West 8th Street.
This was as per MTA release printed in local Brooklyn weekly papers that the Courier-Life Publications print
Thank You
oh BTW:
School's out for summer!
School's out forever!
School's been blown to pieces!
Freshman year at UMD is finally over.
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Wayne
I'm just curious...do the vans in Queens follow the Q4, Q5, Q42, Q83, Q84 and Q85 exactly? Or do they have their own routes? I know they start ON Parsons Blvd facing Jamaica Av but do they race down Archer Av to Merrick Blvd then branch off like the buses or they go their own way? DO they also duplicate (that's probably the better word) the Q111, Q112 and Q113 routes? I've seen them on Guy Brewer Blvd. Thanks in advance! Oh, I'm always with the Buses of New York City...for life!!!!! Never a van supporter!
P.S. Maybe BIG AL and Q5Merrick can shed some light on this since they know Jamaica very well.
Peace,
Kevin
---Chapter 11 Choo Choo
Do I insert the MetroCard before or after depositing the two quarters?
Example: You have 50 cents on the Metrocard, insert you metrocard then add $1.50 in coins to complete the fare.
Private bus lines deduct $1.50 local fare, but will deduct 50 cents more if you transfer to the subway or any NYCT blue stripe bus.
If you transfer to a City bus or the subway, you'll be able to make the transfer. However another 50 cents will be taken off as well. There is no additional charge if you transfer from a Queens Private Bus to another one.
There is also the cash fare. Peak hors a Queens Private bus is $1.50. However off-peak a Queens Private Bus is $1.00. Transfers to another Queens Private bus is free. No transfer is available to the subway. I don't know if you'd have to pay to transfer to a City Bus.
Anyone who wants to go, just...post here!
Anyone who wants to go, just...post here!
Q55- RTS #9590
B13- RTS #9180
we had a driver here onthe b3 who would leave the bus to get cofee
Peace
David
Let me just say that if he had not stopped, the bus would have smelled of musk, and the Queens Village maintenance staff would have needed to put on gas masks!
-Adam
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At the very least, the passing B/O should have let the passengers switch buses.
On this other route I had I went for about 4 hours without a layover point with facilities. I'd either have to stop outside an Embassy Suites on my deadhead from the school run to the downtown circulator or else wait until later at night when the route died to double park it outside some restaurants and go in and ask for the facilities. I was careful not to go to the same restaurant too often because there were only a few.
Since the area was slightly questionable I'd extend the lift slightly to keep the interlock engaged and then shut the thing off to make it such that the average idiot couldn't jump in and take off like that guy in Seattle a while back.
At Cambus in Iowa City, there were always places to stop on my routes so it was no big deal there. Now that I'm over the road, I'll pull into a rest area if necessary. I can stretch things out to the max because I know that in the end I can always pull off anywhere and use my own vehicle's restroom if it really comes down to it. The pax tend to understand I'm not a robot, and generally they want to stop more than I do.
Mike
Also, someone above noted that they are in agreement with the policy of bus operators using the restroom as long as they're 'not too late'. Get a grip pal, we're people.. and biological functions wait for no schedule. If my having to use the restroom interferes with your schedule, you're free to take the following bus, or just live with it as a part of life. "It" happens.
Adding upon that, and contrary to popular belief (within the employee ranks) there is _NO TIME LIMIT_ to a NYCT B/O "personal break".
I've taken restroom breaks on occasion. Some were emergencies, others were less than emergencies- but wouldn't want to test the waters down the line where I knew no facility was available. Once I'd even taken the bus out of service- mid route- and zipped through a few back streets to get to the depot.. Time was of the essence!
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B47#1251(old school)
B44#5124
B43#911
You are kidding about this question, right? You expect a bus driver to "hold it" until the end of the route? LOL! Okay, sure! Of course this happens. It happened to me years ago on the Q44A (Q46) to Lakeville Rd and 271st St. The driver had to use the phone then went to the bathroom.......it took him three minutes total.
Another driver on the Manhattan bound Q60 got off at Queens Plaza and went to get some coffee..again about three minutes. So, my point is yes! They can use the restroom as long as they are quick.
Vince
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I bet if you're ever a bus driver, your bus will be pretty fragrant.
He'd make a great TA manager or NYC mayor, however.
I bet if you're ever a bus driver, your bus will be pretty fragrant.
Here, we do have some long routes (don't even BEGIN to talk to me about deadheading after the driver's day is complete). What a fragrance that would be. Those routes are mainly in Staten Island (the 74 and the 78), the uptown/downtown routes in Manhattan (1-5,7,11,1xx routes), and the Q44 route which has a significant distance in TWO counties. If a driver has to drive the 78 in Staten Island and then has to deadhead, that is about 20 miles. I dont think the maintenance crew in CAS wants to smell that aroma, would you?
6290 S78
6156 S74
3474 M5
4145 M2
5189 M5
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I really think you're more of a troll than a particiant. And an obnoxious and pompous one at that.
If anything, I think automatically-driven buses are in order. Why not? I'm serious about this one...so has anyone ever heard in history of a concept of automatic buses. Has one ever been built yet?
Firstly, a number of towns or cities (eg Leeds, Ipswich) have explore the 'guided busway' concept. This consists of a dedicated 'busway' which has barriers preventing other vehicles from accessing it, which drop when a transponder-equipped bus approaches. The busway is slightly wider than the bus and has a high kerb on both sides. The bus is fitted with two horizontal guidewheels (about 6" diameter), one of which is attached to each side of the front axle and projects from behind the front wheel. These touch the raised kerbs and guide the bus through the busway, enabling it to stop very close to the kerb at bus stops. The driver need not touch the steering wheel whilst the bus is on the busway; he/she just controls acceleration and braking. Experienced drivers can enter the busway without slowing down to position the guidewheels correctly.
Second, and more relevant to your post, was the proposal for guided buses at the Millenium Dome (MD). The MD was a huge exhibit for the duration of 2000. As part of this, two bus routes were operated which were supposed to demonstrate all that was good with the UK bus industry at the time. These were operated by DAF SB220s, half of which were fuelled by CNG and operated by London Central buses. Anyway, part of one of the routes was intended to have a portion where wires were laid beneath the surface of the roadway, which transmitted signals to the buses as they passed over, which were to have been received by a transponderin the vehicle. These would then tell the on-board computer where to steer the bus! I.E the driver was not in control of the bus's direction at this point (although, I would think that there would have been a manual override).
I believe that only one section of one route had this facility fitted, which would have acted as a test-bed. It was intended to enable the bus to 'dock' much closer to bus stops compared to conventional operation. However, it was (unbelievably) decreed a RAILWAY by the powers that be, and as a result required approval by the Railways Inspectorate before it could operate. Owing to its unique nature, this resulted in all manner of difficulties and the project was abandoned. The routes have now ceased, the land occupied by the Millenium Dome is slated for house-building and the buses have moved on to pastures new.
Hope this is of interest to someone, even if it is not really relevant to NYC; perhaps one day, projects along these lines will appear there.
Tim
Bus operators are human beings, and the need for restroom calls can come unexpectedly just like anyone else. Bus operators are not robots/machines.
BIG AL
I might stop by FP on Wed., when I do my Hudson Pier observations.
-Jay
Wayne
Peace,
ANDEE
Well at least the mysterious 5th GEORGE bus (3955??) exists, it just isn't as operable as WMATA would like.
Is this the same as you are talkign about?
Sean in LA
I also saw two THE BUS observations, that were odd. To educate a little about THE BUS is that practically all of their routes can only use 30 foot or less vehicles, including the ones I saw 35 footers on. The first was on the route that runs in front of my house the 22 had a 35 foot Gillig, that being 62899. The other one was new route 27 where I saw 35 foot Thomas(or Orion now?) SLF 63057,the new one. These two routes don't have the patronage to warrant these buses. To my knowledge, only the 21, maybe 20 and one route that runs around Capitol Heights and that is it. The rest including the 15X which uses 63032 most of the time, another 35 foot SLF need only 30 foot buses or less. If the 22 is extended to New Carrolton, however, they might use 35 foot buses. One last note in that I have yet to see the Thomas high floors 62994 and up for a long while. I think these buses are now "THE BUS" history. They are 30 footers.
Also, I saw a 7800 bus, 7859 I believe, with a "new" number at the lower left of the bus, on the engine door. The top #s are still where they were.
-Mike
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-Adam
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Other cities that had them:
* Seattle (156)
* Houston (five short-lived demos)
* New Orleans (165)
* Charlotte (50)
* Minneapolis-St Paul (308)
* a small city in Iowa
Sorry, can't help with GBL.
Go to www.transitalk.org and go to fleet rosters. You'll see alot of bus rosters form all over the country. It's very helpful and gets updated by Trevor Logan...webmaster!
Vince
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Command-All routes operate ot of Starrett City garage
Triboro-All routes operate out of Jackson Hts
QSC-All routes operate out of Flushing garage
JBL-All routes operate out of Jamaica garage
Green Bus-Q21,22,22A,35 out of Arverne, the rest out of its main garage [South Jamaica I think]
If you want the rosters you have to go elsewhere.
Robert
7028 Q36
Okay, first the Casey Stengel Depot is going to get artics. They are getting 2003-2004 New Flyer D60HF #5742-5769 for the Q44 ONLY! Not the Q20A or the Q20B. Now, as for the Bx19...Mother Clara Hale is capable of handling artics (well as far as I know) but putting the buses on the Bx19 is not good. However, the Bx19 is going to West Farms which will be RTS and (god willing) Orion 07.501 CNG buses. Hope that helps!
Vince
(NYCTMCID4500@aol.com)
The problem with that is that CS's buses seem to have a bit of a problem catching fire. THREE buses caught fire last week (poster R 33 8840 mentioned 633 and 668, and a Q12 driver told me that another one beside those two (he did not yet know the number) also burned. Also, the deadheading is better with the Q17 being at JAM (its depot is just 4 blocks from the south terminal, and just 2 minutes away). The CS depot on the other hand is about 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile away. The key here is DEADHEADING TIME, more than anything else.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
As far as I am told, Mother Clara Hale Garage CANNOT handle artics...they had Gun Hill #5368 (or was it 5369) in that garage at one time, on a portable lift, but that garage couldn't handle a sizable fleet of them, maybe only ten to twenty, if they receive that one portable lift, as MCH has no room for more than one or two portable artic lifts...and if they have artics, only the Bx19 would have gotten them, due to their crush loadds at nearly every time of the day...
>>>However, the Bx19 is going to West Farms which will be RTS and (god willing) Orion 07.501 CNG buses. <<<
The Bx19 will be transferred to West Farms (UNLESS the DOB decides to keep it at Mother Clara Hale due to better deadheading times and its close proximity to the garage) and will most likely run 100% RTS, as having Orion 07.501 low-floors would not meet the capacity demands that the Bx19 needs without using artics, which West Farms is not going to receive.
BUT, let's wait and see...
9118 Bx36
5425 Bx3
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
That is for the most part correct what u said...it's the turns at certain areas along the Bx36 line, 174th and Vyse, and others, that it would be very difficult to negotiate, and yes, the Bx3 gets an articulated bus once in a while.
>>>(Also, is the Bx36 going to go to West Farms when it opens later this year?)<<<
As I am told, yes, the Bx36 will be transferred to West Farms...
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Incident #1:I was on a crowded bus with a standing load, we picked up this old lady with a shopping cart, one person offers his seat to her. She accepts the seat and sits down, then she turned to the passenger sitting besides her and bitches at him.
"Get out of that seat, i need to put my cart there, get out now!"
"go sit over there! hmph"
Incident #2, one week later: I was on a 30 foot gillig with a fairly small load, the same old lady was sitting in one of the three senior/disabled seats, with her cart taking up a second seat, and nobody sitting in the third seat. The bus picks up a school load of children and a boy tries to sit in the third unused senior priority seat. Surprise Surprise...
"You cannot sit there! This seat for senior only! Get out of this seat!"
Boy : "Ok ok, I'll move"
"You think you can sit anywhere eh? I take u to the department of human services, we see about that!"
Next stop, we pick up some few more kids and a girl tries to sit in the same unused third seat.
"You cannot sit there! Move out of that seat!"
And she did....
When the time came, she pulled the cord and requested to get off. When she did, she dragged her cart to the front of the bus and began climbing down the steps
Woman : "Kneel this bus, now!"
Driver : "I Cant"
Woman : "what do u mean u cannot, kneel it now!"
Driver : "I can't! it's an old bus!"
Woman : "Old bus, eh?"
Woman : "Do not touch my cart, i try to go down steps!"
Woman (to the rest of the bus) : "DO NOT TOUCH MY CART, U HEAR!"
Driver : "NOBODY GOING TO TOUCH YOUR CART! YOU BE QUIET! YOU DO NOT OWN THE BUS, JUST STAY OFF THE BUS NEXT TIME, NEVER RIDE THE BUS AGAIN! BE QUIET, OK!?"
Incident #3, tonight: So about now, I am fed up with this lady. I board a 9:17PM 46 at rockville station, along with a family of 7 who had a 2 year old child who had an inflatable toy hammer from the porta-carnival (the kind u see at coney island). When we boarded the bus, she was present (uh oh....), and there was only about 3 people on board. The 2 year old child accidentilly drops his inflatable toy hammer and it rolls within 2 feet of this lady's cart.
"Do not damage my cart, u stay away from my cart, u hear!?"
"Get it away from my cart!"
"Do you like if i damage YOU with my cart? huh?!" *she tilts her carts on two wheels and pretends to roll it towards the child in an assaulting kinda way..*
The mother bends over to pick up the dropped balloon toy, the old lady goes :
"Get away from my senior seat! this seat reserved for senior! you no senior!"
By then, I've finally had enough of her attitude and yelled out loud at her...
"NOBODY IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR SENIOR SEAT, OK?! YOU DID NOT PAY 3 FARES WHEN U BOARDED THE BUS, U CANNOT TAKE UP 3 SEATS FOR YOURSELF! NOBODY IS GOING TO HURT YOUR CART, THAT CHILD IS ONLY 2 YEARS OLD! YOU SHOULD BE QUIET AND STOP ACTING LIKE A GOD DAMN DICTATOR, U DO NOT OWN THE BUS!"
The driver turned around and asked "Whats going on??" The lady replied "They try to take my senior seat, this seat for me!" And the driver obviously ignored her and went back to his driving. Everybody started chuckling and when I got off, the family thanked me and I told them to watch out for her.
What would you do if you encounter this person or anybody else just as annoying? And to make matters worse, she spoke with a french accent the entire time (yes, it does make a difference).
"TIRED OF PEOPLE WITH AIDS ASKING YOU FOR MONEY? DON'T WORRY. AFTER AWHILE, THEY'LL GO AWAY."
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
NYC Transit goes the "priority" route. The first three seats on each side have stickers marked with something to the effect of, "Won't you please give these seats to the elderly or disabled?" - complete with a little heart relacing the "o" in "you." In other words, the seats are technically available to anybody, but passengers are asked to be kind to the elderly and disbled.
Otherwise, thanks to the prolonged time most NYCT back doors stay open (they don't close immediately once someone exits) someone can possibly sneak on without being seen, assuming the B/O's vision is too clouded.
By slipping in as others were exiting.
BTW, that happened on an M4 on 5th Avenue at 79th Street - and all of the fare evaders were wearing fur coats (some had blue wigs, too)!!
1st: Warning to passenger
2nd: Final warning
3rd: Police action and Ban fron bus travel.
I have seen these type of insidents on Red Line, 19, 24, 90 & 106 (Sun City To/From Mayo Clinic Scottsdale).
Man, that's a pretty big age difference!
In fact, it pains me how people seem to always expect a seat on the bus, when they always never do. (Always never do???) There's this REALLY loud lady I see every morning on the Q17. She waits at the Beech Ave. stop, and when the bus is coming, she THRUSTS her arm out in the street to signal the driver to stop. Now, this is going beyond just 'flagging' the driver....she's using her arm as a frickin' gate, like at a toll booth! And if the bus doesn't stop EXACTLY where she's standing, she runs to be the first person on. Now 9 out of 10 times, the bus is already packed with people standing, except no one's standing in the back. So when she's climbing up the steps, she greets the driver with a loud "HELLO!", pays, and then starts pushing her way into the back yelling, "EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!" Then when she realizes there're no more seats back there, she starts mumbling under her breath, clearly pissed that all the seats are being taken by Francis Lewis students, and if it weren't for us, she'd be able to sit down.
Heh...that reminds me of one morning when I had a surburban RTS on the Q17. I was sitting in the first seat behind the driver, and when we picked up that "loud" lady at Beech Ave., she sits down in the first seat by the door, right next to a woman with whom she was apparently friends with. The whole ride down Kissena and the Horace Harding, they were both chatting back and forth about how much they hate "these buses", and how they can't stand how many students are taking up all the seats. And she even kept turning to glare at me every so often, so I just reclined my seat and gave her my best "I'm relaxed and I'm really enjoying this ride" look.
In fact, most elderly people really seem to hate the surburban RTSs. We consistently picked up this old guy on Kissena Blvd. on the Q17 in the afternoons, and very often (since this was a school trip bus) we had a surburban RTS. And everytime this old guy got on, he would mutter under his breath about how he hated these buses, and then he'd go wobble into the middle and hold on for dear life. He didn't even have the smarts to take the empty seats that were right there! He would then get off about two stops later, curse at the driver, tell him that these buses should be destroyed and sent to the bottom of the ocean, and then wobble off somewhere. I swear, some people just have no manners at all.
Now, I'm going to bring the "yentas" into this. If you've rode the Q34 northbound out of Flushing, you know of them. Basically, a random person on the bus will say something about a topic, and then, like a chain, or a domino effect, every old lady nearby will join in as if it was their business to begin with. Or, if no one joins in at first, someone will go around and FORCE each person into the conversation! Like this one time, an Asian guy with his little kid were getting off the bus, and he was rolling his folded up shopping cart behind him, and accidentally rammed it into an old lady's leg as he was passing by. He continued off the bus without saying a word. The old lady in the meantime, was staring at him as he got off. Once he was off, she immediately turned to the nearest person in the next forward facing seat and snapped at that person, "Did you see that? Did you SEE that??? He just knocked it into me! He didn't even apologize!!" And then she turned to the next old person and said, "Did YOU see that too?? Unbelievable!!" Then ANOTHER old lady replied, "He probably didn't speak English anyway", to which about twelve other old ladies started nodding their heads in agreement simultaneously. It made me sick.
We started out at Pentagon and made our way to King Street.
Before I took this picture, I saw this Chevy S-10 pickup with its two tailpipes hanging and dragging on the road. Just as soon as I pointed at it and started laughing, a cop car turned on his lights and stopped him;-)
Hahahahahahaha, now that's ghetto Landmark Mall for ya;-) yeah, we stopped here for lunch, and I bought myself a one dollar articulated bus;-) Tristan give it back to me!!
Two shots of an Orion V Fairfax Connector. These I believe were rejects from WMATA's 42-43-4400 series order.
Breda car at Gallery Place on the Red Line.
Breda car at Greenbelt on Green Line.
Also, we had a run in with thugs and mopeds. If you want the story just tell me;-)
This I have to hear!!!
We were on the FC route 401 going to Westpark, and these thug-wannabes came on the bus. So the driver opened the door and the kids asked
"Is this the 705?"
"No this is the 401"
"Dammit, we've been waiting over two hours for the 705!"
"2 hours? The 705 doesn't run today!"
They got on the bus anyways.
So we are are then at Reston Town Center, and we are aboard a FC route 950 TMC RTS on layover, and we were sitting at the back of the bus, and these pack of like 4 authentic thugs comes to the back and sits with us. They're all loud and obnoxious and using profanity. One asks us me for a dollar and I say sorry. He says to me:
"Man look at your shoes. They're all shiny and shit, I know you got a dollar!"
So the three of us moves up to the middle of the bus to get away from these dopes. Then, while the bus is still on layover, these thugs step out of the bus and approach this guy with a leather jacket and asks him to take it off. I'm thinking that they want to rob him. Nah they just want to look at his jacket. So as we leave Reston Town Center and get into the Reston subcommunities, the authentic thugs started playing with some girls in the back calling them nappy headed and stuff while the wannabe thugs (I dont' know why they are on this bus too) start pulling the stop cord again and again. The bus driver kept warning them. Then some lady pulled the cord and the driver thought it was the wannnabe thugs. The authentic thugs got off and we were left with the "705 clique" thug wannabes. They start a conversation with Tristan and me about mopeds and how to make them faster. Then one of the thugs says something about how he can make the moped go really fast in neutral (Jaw drops here).
If you wree on the trip, please fill in any holes in the story that I left out.
Oh yea, the shiny shoes mean wealth bit. It really doesn't work for me because every time I take a bus trip people ask me for change, or for directions or for a certain bus route, and I would say I am not dressed to the nines there. Good comfortable sneaks, jeans and a shirt with pockets and away I go.
Ah no comment on the mopeds going fast in neutral. The wannabe thugs might want to keep off of the Juicy Juice for a while.
Unfortunately, the $$ store is out of artics -- I bought four of them hehe...stay tuned for my progress photos and such on the conversion from cheap asian plastic to WMATA-style NABI artic.
Promptly at 3:04, our route 109 bus to Franconia-Springfield arrived. We rode this out to Springfield Mall for about 20 minutes until the 401 arrived at 3:35, as scheduled. We arrived at Tysons-West*park (as Fairfax Connector refers to it as) just in time to see a 9600 on the 23A and a 4300-series on the 5A...as well as run into the aforementioned "thugs" inside the transit center, desperately searching for $1 for the vending machines. I must say that for a transit center with a waiting room and vending machines, West*park was squeaky clean.
Well, come 4:54, our 425 to West Falls Church arrives. It was a "rejected" WMATA 30' Orion V, which I didn't know existed but which was proven by the dashboard flipdot sign that Connector has not once used, and the WMATA-standard "against the law" sign. (As a side note, the "reject" 1997/1998 Orion Vs that Connector has also have WMATA's "I Need Your Help to Stay Clean" cartoon bus label...more evidence of the rejection theory). The ride was fairly brisk, and we arrived on time at 5:09, to see two RTSes departing, one on the 505 and the other on the 950, both routes we were considering taking out of West Falls. I didn't make a big deal of it because we weren't planning on that departure anyway, we were going for the 5:34 505 because I think the two buses were supposed to have departed before we arrived...but in any event, we had 26 minutes to mill around -- this time went surprisingly fast as we went to the WMATA side of West Falls Church and back. At 5:28, our 505 arrived -- a reject Orion V with Vultron signs -- apparently, North County/First Transit has not yet retrofitted their Orion Vs with the LED signs as South County/Yellow has. Well by this time, azn's and new look's transfers had run out, so I used my all day pass, Chris used my VRE ticket, and Ray used his VRE ticket that was left from our Baltimore trip. IRONICALLY, very strangely, the driver accepted Chris's VRE ticket but rejected Ray's -- I think he thought it was a farecard, because he said "that's what you use on the train, we don't take that"...the driver probably took Chris's because it was in a pass holder, but I dunno. Ray made a futile attempt to call Connector, who eventually said they don't accept VRE tickets...this after I fought with a driver on Thursday because Connector told me they did and the driver wouldn't accept it...that's another post...my theory on the matter is that many weekend employees don't know about VRE...but in any event...
We transferred immediately to the 950, finally the TMC RTS we had been hoping for all day...and somehow we just so happened to run into the aforementioned "fake thugs" who wanted to know about how to soup up mopeds...they somehow had room to comment on how long it took us to get there...at least we hadn't waited for two hours for a non-running bus...
The 950 was a decent ride, with the exception of the idiots on board. The only delay in our trip was when it departed Herndon-Monroe P&R 10 minutes late. We split once we arrived at West Falls Church -- I took the 26A (GEORGE) to a gas station and used the loo, then walked up Broad St. to Long John Silver's where I had dinner.
Riding the Red Line in the Adams Morgan - Dupont Circle area at 9pm on a Saturday night = Lots of hotties;-)
I still have rodeo pictures to get online and who knows how much other stuff, then I will be out of the area for about three weeks. And I still haven't sent the April 5 stuff to Dave.
And I see they got rid of the dashboard signs, unlike Connector..
www.regionaltransitservice.com
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
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I was om the ITalian Job shoot as well and it was one of the more interesting ones I have been involved with.
Although the tofu burgers from the snooty Fronch food service wing was rough.
Sean in LA
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/DSCF0001.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/DSCF0002.JPG
The 1st 3 shots where taken at 36 St and 6 Ave.
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/QM1ATMCRTS388.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/RTS388.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/RTS388a.jpg
This shot was taken at Union Turnpike and Main St
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/RTS388c.jpg
And here's a bonus shot. The inside pic of RTS #388 looking to the front.
http://www.geocities.com/derekinn1996/RTS388i.jpg
Eeeeeewwwwww!!
New York Bus Serivice took those 6 MCI Classics from Green Bus and Triboro and made them absolutey wonderful. Goes to show you what kinda of NYBS has! 1711-1716 run just as good and look just as good as the NYBS Originals.
As for the Fishbowls, those things RULE! They'll eat a new MCI D Series alive on the highway.
And NYBS Got ride of the Orion 05.501 Suburbans because the passengers didn't approve. The seats were crampy and windows were too clear for some liking. Unlike most properties, NYBS caters to thier customers which is great. If you keep the customers happy, you'll always have ridership!
Something tells me you aren't deep in the industry!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Bus Operator
Rockland Coaches/Rockland Transit (Coach USA)
Except that the signs are programed by DOT, not the companies. Every DOT-owned bus has all DOT readings, specifically to facilitate fleet reassignments.
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It probably would have been cheaper than dumping $50k (per bus?) into the equipment they received.
How much money they "dump" into the buses is irrelevant, since all of it gets charged back to DOT anyway.
Trevor
Did I ever send you my Big Train dates?
Looking forward to the trip on Saturday, at least up until we get back to Reisterstown at 2:30, where I'll have to split to get back to Arlington to meet friends for dinner.
Where was I oh yes I got off the LIRR shuttle train then I have to run for the Q44 which was at the Kissena Blvd light so I make it before it arrived. I hop on it then we go very smoothly on the route and didn't stop too many times but the funniest part is when the driver literally honked two cars out of bus stops at Jewel Av & around 50 Av LOL :-D. So she is rather aggressive going about 40 whenever she could then she beats every light after Union Tpke to catch the Queens Blvd light which dtakes a while to change in Main St's favor and makes a nice turn onto QB. So then she goes very good on that street then makes the Hillside light before the signal changes to red and its quick until I got off at Jamaica Av to catch the J, I was going to ride the Q54 but I didn't feel like it although 4728 had came and passed it :-P.
I go downstairs at Sutphin Blvd and the station is a decaying mess full of leaks and some garbage and I have to wait 8 minutes until the J comes so I get the RF window and I ride it all the way to Myrtle Av going through the Cypress Hills S-curve and Alabama turn in the process [subway fans, I saw a R143 on the M]. So I go downstairs and I wait for the B46 LTD and it takes about 10 minutes to come [I saw 8557 on the B54 while waiting] and the farebox was broken so everyone got a free ride. I noticed Malcolm X Blvd was repaved so its a smoother ride and we do good speed throughout the ride so we fly down Malcolm X and then we make the turn on Utica beat the Atlantic Av light and were doing wonderful via Utica Av. Then after Eastern Pkwy the ride became even quicker since too much people really weren't around today; still a good set of people and between Church and Ave D we go 40mph beating all lights until we reach Av D to catch the B8. I just missed a NF but a few minutes later another B8 comes and I take that home.
NF 813 B8
R68 2788 (Q)
R62A 2013 (3)
R36WF 9648 (7)
M-1 9720 (7) Shuttle
Orion 645 Q44
R42 4866 (J)
RTS 9435 B46 LTD
RTS 8524 B8
At Union Sq,I waited for the M14A,2 14D's coming first before the 14A,bus #8514 showed up.I rode that to GrandSt and Essex St where I got off and David,you were right,Seward HS is right there so that makes thing's for me easier.After that I walked up to Allen St where I let a few M15 buses go by before finally a new Artic bus,#5567, showed up.I got on it and the ride was nice but it didn't compare to my next ride.I got off at 23St-1Av and waited almost an hour untill I finally saw good ol 3064.It arrived at 4:23 and I took it to 8Av where I got off to eat at Boston Market.As mentioned in an earlier post,Clayton saw the bus at Chelsea Pier's at 4:48 so if I would've stayed on then we would've seen each other and not even know it since we've never met before.
After my dinner I took the train to get to Lex Av and 51St to hopefully get me my midnight snack at Cinnabon,turns out that I got jipped since it wasn't there.But it's alright.Afterward's I hoped on the train again and took it to Yankee Std and took the Bx6,bus #430,home.
As I've mentioned before this upcoming weekend I'm gonna take a major bus trip which includes the A train shuttle buses and if anyone want's to come,feel free to do so.Just let me know in advance.I'll be doing it on Sunday since I have to go to work on Saturday.
I had an Orion 1 BOTH days this weekend!
Trevor
The bad news: A total of 10 Novas are out of service and sitting at the vendors waiting for repairs, the highest number I have ever seen. 5070, the longest Nova out of service for almost 2 months now with a cracked chassis is still sitting at the vendor. With the current "Nova Shortage", management has asked me, (actually more or less told me) to stop assigning only the Novas after 6pm. Instead they want only 4700's and 5000's assigned. No 9000's at all. They don't want any 8000/8500's sent out either in the evening. Reason is as follows: My pooling only new buses causes the Novas to stay out late at night. Now with many at the vendor, the night cleaner assigned to the Novas parked under the "el" has hardly no buses to clean from 10am to about 12am, then gets backed up because the Novas are all coming in around the same time after midnight. So management wants the Novas to start coming in earlier, thus they want me to start sending out only the 4700's in the early evening with any of the few 5000's that happen to pop in.
(sigh) I believe this is the only depot in the system that would issue an order to send out old buses and keep the newer ones inside the house. Hopefully things will get better as more 8500 come in.
BIG AL
BIG AL
--Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
BIG AL
"You are never going to see those 8500's again"
Never see them again?? The B26 is about 4 blocks away from me and I see it in the morning when I go to the train station.
"I suggest you get a life and stop worrying about it"
The things I want to say on this comment, Im not going to say because I don't want a war to start like they do on SubTalk.
And what's with this talk about "give US back OUR 8500's"
Didn't you see the smily face at the end, it means "I WAS KIDDING"
BIG AL
"Also, I really didn't make out the smiley at the end of your comment"
It's kool, I was just making sure no one takes that seriously, that's why I posted the smiley face.
-Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
BIG AL
Don't forget how 3902 and 3951 were also revived, after suffering major engine problems at Kingsbridge, which if you ask me has very bad maintenance! (4200s, DaRidgewood?)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Excluding CAS, YUK, CS, MCH, and AMS, here's the 1999 order
QV(45)
JA(25)
MV(25)
MJQ(20), but they're getting Artics
126St.(30), also getting Artics
HP(15), but it still makes up a larger percentange than FP
GH(had 50), but got Artics instead
KB(had 45), same as GH
FLA(received 50)
UP(had 25 but went to FLA)
ENY(80 plus 45 from KB)
JG(had 20, but got NF's instead)
FP has the crappiest set. The 98'Novas are a different story though since only a few places got them. UP should have got 5055-5074 instead to match their small local fleet.
4900-4944: QV
4945-5024: ENY
5025-5054: 126
5055-5074: FP
5075-5124: GH
5125-5144: MV
5145-5169: JA
5170-5189: WS (West Side, renamed MJQ)
5190-5204: HP
5205-5249: KB
The KB & GH Novas got transferred due to the Artics arrival and read what DaRidge said. I think UP never got the Novas since the 1984's weren't retired yet and at the time they had many of Yukon's 9200's suburbans & there was nothing to scrap.
-Acela Express
Wayne
BIG AL
Why not have the cleaners assigned to clean all buses and have thier manager assign them where there is buses needed to be cleaned!!!
Very simple solution. Too simple for the MTA who majors is money wasting and ineffeciency
BIG AL
Assinging a cleaner to a sector where their may or may not be enough buses for him to clean is not effecient. Once a bus is cleaned, it should be checked off a list, and a marker should be placed on the near the door indicating it is clean.
From your dscription it appears that the TA employs too many clenaers and is not effeciently distributing the workload.
Sneding older buses out on route that require more maintance just to evenly distribute work among clenaers makes no sense. It is backwards thinking. Instead of devising a real solution to the problem, a stop gap solution is placed forth.
Sorry for the arguments all the time on proceedures. I did operaional audits at one time. The TA has a lot of work to do to improve the way it tracks, monitors and maintians it's buses. From an effeciency point of view. My freind father worked as a bus mechanic out in queens. TA supervision was so lax, he stole tools and a portable bus lift that he had on his driveway in bensonhurst
-Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
Mark
1996 Nova RTS's - 9044, 9049, 9197-9199, 9200-9228
1999 Nova RTS's - 5030-5054
The 2003 New Flyer D60HF fleet now stands at 30 and is comprised of the following buses; 5511-5522, 5525, 5526, 5532-5536, 5547, 5548, 5550, 5553, 5554, 5557, 5560-5563, 5567.
1996 RTS Reman # 7535 has had it's farebox removed and has OUT OF SERVICE written in chalk across it's front windshield. It appears as if the bus is toast and is Nimco bound.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
5 Av/Jackie Gleason [renamed June 1988]
FLU/Casey Stengel [renamed 1991?]
146/Mother Clara Hale [renamed December 1992]
WS/Michael J Quill [renamed January 2001]
You get what you pay for.
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Image URL: http://www.flatface.net/~tecsbrain/pics/FXCO-7914.jpg
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As previously mentioned but not photographed, their 1998 40' Orion Vs have WMATA's trademark "I NEED YOUR HELP TO STAY CLEAN" cartoon bus labels.
WMATA doesn't really do anything with Connector -- they use two contractors (South County = Yellow; North County = First) to provide service and the county controls the other stuff.
In regards to the error, it was just a case of case -- that is, in the URL I typed FXCO in all caps but when I named the image I did fxco all lowercase...my mistake! Problem solved
1. When was each route discontinued?
2. What was the route of each service?
3. What were ridership/service schedules like in their final days before the fateful hearings were held that decided their fate?
As always, thanks in advance.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Bx24-a part time route and I believe it supplemented the Bx10. It ran from somewhere around Kingsbridge Rd [I lost my Bronx map so I don't remember the exact southern terminal unfortunately] and terminated at 254 St. For the depot I really don't know COL? and was discontinued in 1993.
Both routes [along with the B30] I'm sure were cancelled due to low ridership but in the B19 case it might of been b/c of budget problems as well.
B5-ran from Canal Av to Kings Highway/Flatbush. Run by UP
B19-a dwontown Brooklyn bus loop basically. Run by 5 Av/JG
B30-ran from Kingsland Av to Queens. Run by FP
B33-ran from Hamilton Av to Prospect Park Station. Run by 5 Av/JG
B47(I)-ran from Prospect Park Station to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza. Run by ENY
B50-ran fron Coney Island Av to Starrett City. Run by ENY
B62-ran from Debevoise St [ran from Sands St part time] to Box St. Run by FP
M12-ran via Grand St crosstown. Cancelled
M103-ran via 59/60 St crosstown. Cancelled
Then you have the renumbered buses. I'll tell you what I know, others can help complete my list.
Old/current
B10/B15
B22/Q24
B53/Q54
B55/Q55
B56/Q56
B58/Q58
B59/Q59
M13/M8
M26/M23
M34 Created out of M16
M106/M42
M50 Created out of M27
M28/M57
M29/M66
M32/Q32
M72 Created out of M30
M17/M79
M18/M86
M96 Created out of M19
M19/M106
M20/M116
Q3A/Q83
Q4A/Q84
Q5A/Q85
Q44A/Q46
S3/S46
S7/S53
Thank You
IIRC the Q44B would have become Q71 if it hadn't been killed first.
Similarly, the B77S (Erie Basin Shuttle) would have become B76.
The Q 5 Shuttle became the Q-86 in Deecember 1988 when most of the Queens A routes were renumbered. The Q 86 was discontinued in July 1995
The Q5A Shuttle which operated via 225th Street was the shuttle that was discontinued
Thank You
Instead of applying for a new franchise for a route it was easier to amend a current franchise. That is the reason you had so many "A" routes. Because all of the bus lines were once privately operated even after the City took over the Brooklyn routes in 1940,Staten Island and North Shore(Queens)in 1947,East Side and Comphrensive (manhattan) in 1948 which make up the current TA routes and with the creation of MABSTOA in 1962 when Fifth Ave and Surfice Transit were taken over the process of operating a bus line did not change.
If anything it was good way to make the TA to change things especially after 1968 when the State was given control
Hope this helps
Thank You
B15 From Hanson Place/Flatbush via Manhattan Bridge to Canal St/Baxter St
B21 (From Kingsborough CC via old Shore Road loop through Coney Island Hospital and old B4 route to Knapp St) Discontinued and replaced by extended B4 (used to run only from Bay Ridge to Stillwell/86th st) and extended B1 to KCC. Discontinued in early 70's
Q86 Rosedale Shuttle
Q5AS Merrick Blvd shuttle
M12 Grand/Broome crosstown
B36S Seagate shuttle loop
B11 extended from 49th st/18th Ave to Rockaway Parkway station, then cut back to current terminus at Flatbush/Ave H
1-Discontinue the B-21 and replace it as follows
a)The B-1 route bewteen Mackeinzie Street/Oriental Blvd and Ocean Parkway/Neptune Ave
b)The B-36 route between Ocean Parkway/Neptune Avenue and Sheepshead Bay Brigthon Stattion
c)The B-4 route between Sheepshead Bay Station and Knapp St/Voohries Ave via the current B-4 routing. It was changed back to Emmons Ave in both directions in early 1979 due to community presure
d)Reroute the B-49 route from Ocean Ave/Ave Z to Sheepshead Bay Rd to Mackenzie Street
2-Discontinue the B-34 and replace it as follows
a)Extend the B-3 from 86th Street to Harway Ave via 25th Ave
b)Extend the B-1 from 25th Ave/86th Street to Shore Rd/Bay Ridge Ave
3-Modify the B-1 route between Ocean Parkway/Avenue X and Neptune Ave see item 1 A. Service was discontinued on Ave X between Ocean Parkway and E 13th/14th St and on E 13th/14th Sts between Ave X and Ave Z
4-Extend the B-4 from 25th/Stillwell Ave to Knapp St via Stillwell Ave,86th St, Shell Rd,Ave Z,Neptune Ave then via the B-36 route to Sheepshead Bay Station and the B-21 to Knapp St
5-Reroute the B-36 between Ocean Pkway/Neptune Ave and Sheepshead Bay Station via Ocean Pkway/Ave Z replacing the B-21 and along Mermaid Ave between Stillwell Ave and W.37th St. It was later returned back to Surf Ave
6-Extend the B-11 to Rockaway Pkway Station
7-Extend the B-50 from Rkway Pkway Station to Coney Island Ave
Hope this helps
Thank You
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B62#4015 old school
1-Merge the M-28 57th Street Crosstown with the M-103 59th Street Crosstown to create the current M-57 57th Street Crosstown
2-Create the current M-72 72nd Street Crosstown
3-Extend the M-31 from Lexington Avenue/59th Street to 11th Ave/54th Street
4-Reroute the M-5 from 57th Street to 59th Street between Columbus Circle and 5th/6th Avenues
5-Renumber the M-29 65th Street Crosstown as the M-66 and to eliminate service on 1st Ave,E.72nd St and York Ave between E.72nd St and E.68th Street
6-Discontinue the M-30 route completely.
Because of community outcry the TA made the following changes
1-It discontinued service on the M-30 between Columbus Circle and W.72nd St/Central Park West and operated the route rush hours only. After additional public outcry midday and Saturday service were restored until the September 1995 service changes when it was cut.
2-It created the M-58 York Ave/57th Street as an alternative to the M-30 from E.72nd St/York Ave to Columbus Circle. As Flatbush 41 pointed out the M-58 which was an OA route was later merged into the M-31
Hope this helps
Thank You
PS-The M-57 was an OA route to 1998 when it was transferred to the TA when Quill depot was opened. The reason that the M-57 was made a TA route was a satellite tracking program that was to be implemented along First and Second Avenue and 57th Street but the contractor was unable to complete it. I believe that a second contractor is attempting it now
Other related changes that also took place in the late 80's were (a) the rerouting of the SB M7 to Broadway between 65th and Columbus Circle, and (b) the elimination of the NB M104 6th Avenue variant. Did these take place on the same date as the 57th Street changes?
The route was as follows:
Northbound from Fordham Plaza via Fordham Road, Sedgwick Avenue, Bailey Avenue, 231st Street, then via Bx10 into Henry Hudson Parkway service road, into 253rd Street, Fieldston Road, to Mosholu Avenue.
Southbound from Mosholu Avenue & Fieldston Road via Mosholu Avenue, 254th Street, Riverdale Avenue, then the reverse of the above.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
the b33 operated from prospect park station to the end of hamilton ave-dont know the name of the block though.
what i remember the driver on the b33 telling me he was lucky if at least $20 worth of fares came up on both buses(but you were always guaranteed a rTS coach bus-always).
N/B- On Flatbush Av, R on Lincoln Rd, L on Ocean, R on Parkside, R on Prospect Park SW, L on Greenwood, R on Prospect Av, R on Hamilton and terminated at Coulmbia St. [damn I wish my 1988 map hadn't gotten so old and decomposed I could of said it for sure]
S/B On Hamilton, L on 19 St, L on 5 Av, R on Prospect Av, L on Greenwood Av, R on Prospect Park SW, around Park Circle, L on Parkside, L on Ocean terminated at Prospect Park.
BTW- I believe that the B-33 maintained 24 hour service until 1972 when it was cut back to rush hours only.
It was also proposed to extend the B-33 to Manhattan via the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel or downtown Brooklyn
Maybe the TA should look at this again
Thats my opinion
Thank You
My guess is that the bus was being towed to ADD in Bohemia and perhaps the tow operator knew he couldn't get there before closing time and parked it there until they open today.
ENY-8695,8699.
JG-8453,8675.
FP-8141,4736.
FLA-5101.
UP-4863.
Guess there are more than one garage doing this. But isn't it easier to operate Ulmer Park primarily on the F shuttle and split the work between FLA and Up on the Q shuttle? Seemed a bit silly to operate the FP buses. Sad to say, no orion 7 models from JG there and no 8500's from FP there.
F shuttle-5101-NOVABUS
Q Shuttle-4863-TMCRTS
4 buses waiting at voorhees ave exit of sheapshead bay Q atation, no passengers.
Can anyone tell me why this service was not cancelled or severly cut back due to the weather?
It's quite obviouse that thier was going to br very little demand for such a service this weekend.
Another example of how the TA waste's money
It is a bit of a treck from the main entrance. Voorhies ave exit is about 2 blocks south and 2 blocks west of the main entrance.
The main entrance is about at the 7 car marker on an 8 car r68 righton bound; while the voorhies ave exit is about 25 feet past the front of the train brighon bound.
This entrance operates boothless with HEET's only all weekend.
Peace
David
David
They should operate equiptment from the depot closes to the work.
It only makes sense from a costs point of view
David
The only exemption would be in areas serverd by different union reprensentation.
Do you realize how much money is wasted by that rule. Money that is coming out of your pocket in the form of ectra taxes.
David
Peace
David
The reason the last 200 got reject was due to lack of funds, in a nut shell.
NYC DOT, Coach USA/Northern District, Coach USA/Texas, Fairfax Connector, and a few Airports were some of the people who cashed on the "Wholesale" Orion 05.501s. Orion posted the buses up at a dirt cheap price to get them off the Oriskany Plant's lot.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I think when WMATA starts/finishes rehabbing those 42/4300s, they'll look like a whole new bus
"28B-TYSON'S CORNER CENTER"
and athe bottom sign would read
"VIA BAILEY'S CROSSROADS"
"NEXT STOP", "SKYLINE CITY MALL"
for example
Otherwise the 35 Vs that Mississauga have are not to their standard interior configuration.
Allen Dicion
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
From what I can recall these buses have the double stream rear doors, blue rubber floors, blue seats with cushions, tip in windows, dark tinted windows, wood grain interior trim, Luminator MegaMax destination sign and the DDC Series 50/Allison B400R combo.
Things that make it different UWE (used for outdoor storage) connectors installed, recently the fifth gear has been chopped off (don't know exactly why), as mentioned the windows are tinted and the upper portion tips in for ventilation, rear taillight configuration consists of the six LED's (four red and two white) on the engine cover and a high mounted red LED on the a/c cover.
In slight comparison to the WMATA Vs, there is no rear destination sign, no upper orange LEDs below the left and right rear marker lights, and no small window prior to the rear doors.
That's all I can recall for now,
Allen Dicion
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Allen Dicion
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Allen Dicion
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Wayne
I had heard in the past that some of the buses mistaken for WMATA rejected Orion V's are actually New Orleans rejected Orion V's. That may be one explanation for only 50 WMATA rejects - the others are New Orleans rejects. Unfortunately, I cannot verify that there were any New Orleans rejects, but it may be worth checking on.
COL/WAL:Bx5,6,11,13,15,17,19,33,35,40/42
KB:M100,Bx1,2,3,7,9,18,20,32,36,41,55
GH:Bx4,8,10,12,14,16,21,22,26,27,28,29,30,31,34,39
AMS:M79,104,116
MCH:M1,2,7,60
Wasn't the Bx12 split between Gun Hill and KB at one time or another?
-Stef
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Chapter 11 Choo Choo (Lyrics)
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---Chapter 11 Choo Choo
That's the air conditioner condenser housing.
What are "sauteed onions" in this context?
June 8 is a MOD trip. How long does the Roadeo go on for? I would consider coming over to the Roadeo after the MOD trip if it was still in full swing and if I was allowed to do so.
---Chapter 11 Choo Choo
Oh those are the Orions that had engine fires. MCI 1979 refers to them as Onions an its quite funny too :-).
The food was served under a tent. Myself, Thurston, Heypaul and BMTman attended the Roadeo after the NYC Model train show in Kendall Park, NJ.
The bus Roadeo went until about 3 or 3:30. By the time we got there the food was almost gone and BMTman finished off the remainder. It was late in the day so we just drove in without any ID. The aircraft hanger next to the roadeo was open and there was some interesting stuff in there, such as a de-activated NIKE warhead and other Cold War items.
If you're going by public transit you have to take the shuttle from Kings Plaza because the spot for the Roadeo is probably a mile or so off Flatbush Avenue. A long walk made even longer if you go done the wrong path and have to double back.
Their solution was to hang an 800 pound concrete weight under the front end of the bus!!
Ask Mr. "gmartic" about his cut down ex-ACT 4517 that is mssing the weight....
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They should have done that to lots of them and sold them to smaller systems. Too bad they didn't apply that paint scheme to the others when they had them. It can't be any newer than 1972 with none of the EIP crap coming out of the sides of the rear windows. This must have been one of the ones that had "Bus-O-Rama" things on the side without standee windows - you can still see some extra bolt holes on the sides of the roof.
MSBA did that to a 5301, but they left only windows along the side without the square window. They bus was not too road-worth. A quick acceleration would lift its front wheels of the ground momentarily.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Yes you can use a 5 Dollar Bill on the BXM4C. You can even use a 10 Dollar bill on the BXM4C as well and this did relly happin and I was shocked that they did take 10 Dollar bills after 2 people got on and the lady had a 10 Dollar Bill and she asked if the driver could she use it and get change and so the other rider that got on had to give the lady the $5 Bill and she put's in the 10 Dollar Bill. This happin before the BXM4C went to $7(Like about last year on a saturday around 3 PM(I forgot) going towards Manhattan)
Anyways, what is up with the destination sign? I have never seen the date and WASHINGTON, DC displayed like that on any destination sign? Can anybody shed some light on this?
A couple times I've seen them display some weird date like 05/05/97 11:59 AM -- I wonder how it changes, I can't imagine the whole thing scrolling to change one number...well @ 11:59 it'd be 4 numbers..
What's funny is how WMATA programmed their signs...the 54 to 14th & Colorado NW displays the destination on one "screen" so it looks like 5414TH&COLORAD
Another oddity I saw was on an H4 going to Brookland today..I actually saw it twice: H4 Brookland/H4 Stadium!!! Were they preparing for the "Washington Expos" stadium or what?!
Peace,
ANDEE
M100 Broadway-Kingsbridge (still basically unchanged today from its trolley days, although for many years after MABSTOA took over it ran beyond 230th Street into Riverdale.
M101 3rd-125th-Amsterdam, unchanged today except that it uses Lexington Ave. SB.
M102 125th Crosstown, effectively eliminated when buses took over in 1947 as the M100, M101, and BX29/now BX15 covered its route.
M103 59th Street Crosstown, eliminated about a dozen years ago when MABSTOA realigned the 57th Street crosstown services.
M105 10th Avenue, from 125th and Hudson River to 42nd and Hudson River via the M104 to 72nd Street and then via 10th Ave. and 42nd Street. This line was rerouted onto West End/11th Aves. below 72d after 10th Ave. became one way in 1948, and lasted until 1962 as a little used route cut back to 72d Street as its north terminal.
M106 42d Street crosstown, now the M42.
Third Avenue also operated all Bronx lines that became MABSTOA routes in 1962 (except the Q44 and QBX1, of course). Many of these were originally trolleys (converted to bus in 1941 and 1947-48); some were always bus routes.
Lifting the commercial vehicle ban at the Holland means all single-chassis trucks will be allowed in the tunnel.
Staten Island express bus riders will also benefit.
Modern buses, at a standard width of 102 inches, previously couldn't fit through the tunnel next to trucks. So with that obstacle eliminated, Molinaro said New York City Transit will eventually re-route the Downtown X17 and X19 buses through the Holland Tunnel.
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So this means now the Bayonne Bridge will be used to get to Holland Tunnel for X17 and X19???
The article can be found @ http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/base/news/1054043256181160.xml
I settled for a Q25 instead, the bus is not as crowded as the Q44 and after passing Holly Ave (the turnoff for the Q27), we made decent speed on Kissena, then Parsons Blvd. I noticed a new Pathmark on Kissena, near Jewel Ave, not as big as the one at Northern Blvd in Long Island City. We ended up without anything out of the ordinary at Jamaica Ave, I checked out the new movie theater (NICE PLACE TO TAKE A FAMILY THERE) there and did some window shopping. I walked east to the 165th st bus terminal, there were NO BUSES there, that's right NONE. I even looked at the GBL section at the back of the depot, nothing there either.
I walked back to Jamaica and at 6:15 PM caught the first (and IMO, the second best way to Brooklyn), Q54 towards Brooklyn. The B/O made good speed except for the two shopping districts on Metropolitan Ave, one in Forest Hills, the other in Middle Village. A posted height restriction was posted outside the Jackie Robinson Parkway, it was poorly positioned outside the parkway overpass and should've been posted at Park Lane South, because large trucks use this street. At Metropolitan Ave/BMT station in Middle Village, a small flag hangs proudly at the Brown brick tablet over the entrance. while on the bus, I was LUCKY to get a take-one for the B48 timetable, it's one of the buses I can take down towards Flatbush. I checked the Sunday timetable and the next bus that leaves Meeker/Gardner was at 6:50 with a 7:02 timepoint for Lorimer/Metropolitan, (I added 2 minutes for the Grand St stop I would get off.) We flew past Western Beef and a HUGE water puddle the bus hit that cascaded into a tide HIGHER than the window I looked out of.
I made it to the B48 stop at Grand/Lorimer before the 7:02 arrival and LOOK WHAT I HAD!!!! A real HAND-ME-DOWN, bus #3951 was on the B48 and the B/O told me that garbage buses #3995 and 41xx were BOTH on the B48 as well. And the streets were HORRIBLE, especially the start of Franklin Ave, after the Wallabout turn. I saw four B44 buses waiting for their turns to start at Flushing Ave, a block south of Wallabout.
I arrived at Franklin/Fulton and saw a newer B49 waiting to go, I left the B48, thanked the B/O and boarded the B49. The ride was good except a Russian woman got on at Flatbush Ave and was clearly lost. She spoke CONSTANTLY with the Russian Accent that she got one the B49 at Ave M/Ocean Ave and intended to go south. Instead she is on the N/B bus, gets off and changes for the S/B B49 (the bus I was on) and she kept asking (at least 3 times) the B/O if he will make the Avenue Z turn. God it was so funny to see that. I got off at Ocean/Foster and saw no New Flyers (for the B8) at a distance so I walked home. I took less than 2 hours from Jamaica to Flatbush, the timing was excellent despite the lousy weather.
Q25 (QS) 477 Orion
Q54 9167 RTS
B48 3951 HMD (for Hand-Me-Down)
B49 9419 RTS
On another ocassion, I took the M20 uptown, even though the sign read "Battery Park City via 7th Avenue." I told the operator the wrong sign was showing. He looked up at the sign selector, realized his error,said "thank you" and immediately changed it.
I don't know what's so difficult in checking the sign either before or during the run to ensure the correct destination is showing. Some passengers are tourists and "don't know the route."
Michael
Washington, DC
Peace
David
The wrong destination is fine for New Yorkers but for tourists, it can be frustrating. Guidebooks should include compasses.
Michael
Wash, DC
At Disney, you'd be surprised at how many people don't notice the detination sign at all... They just walk up to every bus asking "Do you go to _____?" Or worse yet, the ones that just hop on a bus, and just assume that I'm going to take them anywhere they want. One of the few good things about our Nova LFS is the HUUUUGE bright orange LED front destination sign. But yet, many folks still come up to me and ask where I'm going. *shrug* I just say "I go exactly where the bright orange sign says Im going." =)
-Tyler-
I remember we were trying to catch a bus from Downtown Disney to the Boardwalk just to do something different and from a distance I could see an RTS bus with the old green signs that aren't lit very well pull up. We were a ways away and I could tell from the side that it said "Boardwalk" because it looked like a long word on it. Pam and I started high tailing it and sure enough, it said "Boardwalk". She looked at me and asked how I could see that far away. I guess I'm just used to seeing those things. Here in DC, I just look at part of the destination usually, not even the route number, and I know I'm ok. Just one of those freak things I guess.
You are so right about the folks riding Disney Transport. They really looked out of place when I saw them too. Another funny story comes to mind. About 5 years ago I dated a young lady who grew up in rural Louisiana. I think she had been living in the DC since the late 80's. When I met her she was 27 and had never ridden a transit bus. She was quite used to riding Metrorail and she used to park at the Springfield-Franconia station and commute into DC via Metrorail. Well one day after work my car was being serviced and we took the bus after getting off the train. I remember making sure she had the exact change and then she asked me if she's supposed to give the money to the driver. After a good laugh... I explained that upon boarding the bus she'd see the farebox. Well that was her first and last time on a transit bus for a long time. Next she had moved into an apartment on Beaugard Street on Alexandria. So - I expained that since the 7X/7F stopped pretty much in front of her building she needed to ride it to the Pentagon and catch the train there. So - we went through the buying the flash pass and to actually show it to the B/O when boarding, and on the return trip looking for her bus stop since there's so many other routes that serve The Pentagon. I was glad I could help and I realized that this was another thing we take for granted. To me... even if I weren't a tranist buff... the fact that I grew up riding buses, subway, commuter rail etc... it's natural for me to think of things such as find out the routes I need to take, correct fare, fare cards, transfers etc. One time I also had taken her to NYC and she was really confused. Since we were only there for the weekend and I usually always have a MetroCard - I decided to use my card and swipe twice. I think this may have confused her especially the free bus/subway transfer:-).
Wayne
A few years ago, several friends came over and they wanted to go to Georgetown to check out some bars, so here we are, about 10 of us piling on the 38B to get down there. Between us and the other few people waiting to get on, probably the most amount of people to board that bus on a late Saturday night heading down there.
Its definitely second nature to me to just board a bus, no matter what city it is, and just go where I need to go. I do a lot of planning, probably too much, everytime I go to a new city and make sure I know exactly where I'm going. I don't like looking like a tourist when I go to a new city or one that I don't go to much.
I've done that... It's FUN!!! lol
-Adam
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Michael
Wash, DC
I can only offer information as it pertains to buses, and Queens in particular. In Queens, there is one road car (dispatcher) and one superintendent on duty during the hours of 10 PM and 6 AM. Should any incident require the assistance of supervision, the entire borough depends upon those two supervisors.
That said, since there is only one road car, and no fixed posts during these hours, there is no guarantee that buses will run on schecule.. or run at all. On one hand, operators working late nights into early mornings don't have to worry too much about supervision. On the other hand, supervision may just show up somewhere along your route. It's pot luck, really.
It is assumed that once a late night operator reports and pulls-out, that is the guarantee that the bus shows up. {cringe}
I understand there are relievers ready to go if someone doesn't show up, but still I have experiences of buses/trains just being missed without a trace, even towards the beginning of the line.
There aren't always "relievers" (let's call them "reports" for the sake of this discussion) at the ready. Especially late nights. As it stands now, Queens Village has no "hawk report", so if a bus driver doesn't show up for work, the crew dispatcher on duty at the time will attempt to cover the line in piece work or in full- whichever is possible at the moment. If it's possible at all. If there isn't an available driver to cover the route, the last resort is to "pull" a secondary hawk from a line with multiple runs. This could mean pulling the second hawk from the Q44 out of Stengel to cover another line, or the second hawk from the Q43 to place elsewhere, and so on. Unless that secondary hawk is already covering a run, which may be the case should a hawk driver go "sick off run".
Interestingly enough, the hawk dispatcher will watch each new pick as it progresses to see what operators pick each hawk. Should the hawk dispatcher feel that an unreliable operator (one who goes sick off run or shows up late or oversleeps frequently) has picked a hawk piece, the SLD may request to the AGM that there included a hawk report for the remainder of the pick to ensure service isn't interrupted. But this isn't always the case.
Also, if a bus/train breaks down along the way, is there one on hand to replace it necessarily?
There is always equipment that can be replaced. The problem is manpower. Sometimes there might not be anyone around at that hour to swap a bus. In cases such as breakdowns, the sole road truck in Queens, if it isn't already busy with another bus, will be immediately dispatched to the scene of the breakdown. Meanwhile, one of many options follow:
1- Have another bus operator pull out a bus and make the trip, if possible.
2- Have another bus operator pull out a bus to meet the disabled bus and swap it off to the current driver. This can only happen if the "swapper" is able to "sit with the bus" waiting for the road truck. If not, then-
3- Have a BMB/BMA from maintenance swap off the bus. If that's not an option,
4- Pull a secondary hawk from another line, but only from another line within the depot. If this isn't possible, service is lost until such time the bus or operator may be replaced.
And finally, how does this system the MTA NYCT uses differ from other transit systems?
Not a clue. Hope I've helped you with the above?
Regards,
Mark Valera
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The first observation seen was of B30 bus 4393 running with a light crowd. I then got into Baltimore and was in traffic for about 30 minutes just to get to northbound interstate 83. I saw a lot of PG County School buses, the short ones. In fact I saw more of PG's school buses than either baltimore school buses (one) and Neoplans (a big goose egg). I did see a whole ton of NABIs and Flxibles, with one NABI with a flashing 70 run number, and the question is, is there something to this or a machine malfunction? I also passed a Flxible that when it was slowing down the middle brakelights flickered as well as the side ones. All of those are replaced LED lights for the wrap around lights. That was it for the morning observs.
In the evening the same sightings, no Neoplans still alot of NABIs and Flxibles. I saw two more B30s coming in the opposite directions, with not too many people on board. My next major observation as I came into the New Carrolton Metro Station and saw 9644 repowered, not sure which route it was on.
The bad traffic you encountered in Baltimore today was not normal. There was a large motivational seminar (20,000 attendees) at the Mercantile Bank Arena. Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani was one of the keynote speakers.
John
The N20 was extended from Roslyn to Hicksville in September 1981; prior to this, the route ended at the Roslyn LIRR Station. This was, however, only a weekday route; Saturday and Sunday service was implemented in June 1984.
I remember the N5 from my days living on 169th St in Jamaica. The N4 and N5 would sit right on 168th Pl and begin service to Freeport and Hewlett. AH, the good ol' days! Thanks for your answers!
Vince
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If my recollections are accurate (I was just a kid then), ridership on the stretch from Hewlett to Oceanside made the JFK Flyer look like the M15.
CG
However, the NIMBYS got hot under the collar about having buses on their precious streets and in January 1977 the East Prospect / Union routing between Hewlett and East Rockaway was changed to operating on Rockaway Avenue, Broadway, East Rockaway Road and Atlantic Avenue.
Then, in June of 1977, service was eliminated between Hewlett / Grant Park and Oceanside due to lack of ridership. A tew terminal loop was established going via Rockaway Avenue, Broadway and Prospect Avenue.
The N6 existed even pre-MSBA, when it was a Bee Line route. Either you read the map wrong or the map was in error. The N6 has probably been one of the busiest routes of MSBA/LI Bus for many years.
:The Q66 only ran to Newtown Road,and I guessing the Q66 extended to 21 St Queensbridge starting in 1989. Am I correct?" Yes - due to the opening of the 63d St. Tunnel subway service in 1989.
"The QM1 Wall St back in 1980 and in the 1980's started at Union Turnpike and 188 St and all wall st buses only ran to/from 188 St and there was No Sunday service on 6 Ave. What lead to the QM1/QM1A getting trips to/from Glen Oaks and NST to wall st and QM1 extended to 64 Ave and 188 st? And what lead to the sunday servie on QM1A?"
Above were all improvements made to QS express buses as an inducement to attract more passengers. Formerly if one wanted to travel from Glen Oaks or NST to Wall Street it was necessary to transfer at 188th Street (at least it was a free transfer, in those pre-Metrocard days).
A few more would be posted tommorw.
The Q88 made the turn around as follows:
-down Union Tpke.
-right turn onto GCP service road.
-right in onto Sprignfield Blvd and regular to Elmhurst.
The X51 I do not know about
The Q3 was extended to JFK Airport on November 151987. I have the bus brochure in my shoebox with my 1980 Queens Bus Map and 1975 Queens Bus Map as well. Back then, the NYCTA would mail those updates to peoples houses/lobbies in the apartment buildings.
Hope that helps!
Vince
E-mail me at NYCTMCID4500@aol.com
Sorry
The trip is scheduled to be on July 16th 2003 and will start at 10am at Union Station in the front of the Station(I will get the street that is on later), but it will be at the D6 bus stop right in front of Union Station.
Starting at 10 am July 16th
10:00am D6 and arrive at Farragut Square at 10:24am
10:47am 38B and arrive at Rosslyn Station at 11:08am
11:15am 3B and arrive at East Falls Church Station at 11:38am
12:00pm GEORGE 26A and arrive at West Falls Church at 12:21pm
12:38pm 28B and arrive at Tyson's Corner One at 12:50pm
At Tyson's Corner one we will eat lunch and watch buses at the Tyson's
Corner bus terminal.
then 1:40pm Fairfax Connector 401 and arrive at Springfield Station at
2:47pm
3:00pm Fairfax Connector 204 and arrive at Van Dorn street Station at
3:50pm
4:09pm DASH AT7 and arrive at Lee Center 4:39pm
5:00pm DASH AT4 and arrive at the Pentagon 5:37pm
5:45pm 13B and arrive at 7th and Independence Avenue at 5:51pm
and finally the 70 (Neoplan artic) to Silver Spring as the last official route for the trip.
Even though the 70 will be the last route we will take I know that others who might come out of state might have to leave early, but for those who want to take the whole trip the 70 will be the last route taken. Also I will be taking an 8:19am F14 trip connecting with a 9:12 96 trip to get to Union station, if anyone wants to meet me on the enroute there.
Of course the itenrary might change with possible changes in time as the various transit agencies may change their times, routes or length of trip time, if that happens I will make that adjustment.
Also the date might change as my work might have a mandatory meeting and the same thing I will make that adjustment hopefully not(that is why I am planning my vacation during this week so, if a non-mandatory meeting happens I could still get out of it since I will be on vacation.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me.
Hope to see some of yall there
Wes Samuels
Wayne
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/story.asp?id=7DD7B8BC-D769-48CD-804A-A4E99477D424
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
To put in hours and hours for a massive update, just to have your site down is just unbelievable and unjust...
Peace,
Kevin
TransiTALK Co-Webmaster
Peace,
Kevin
Keep up the great work!
Well will return with a full blow too, not like before with a little by little.
Will Keep You Guys Posted!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK
-Acela LIRR Express M7 #7046
1998 NovaBus RTS-06 #5029 has been with the Manhattanville Depot for some time now. Like for the past month or so. Thanks for the update though! That's what counts!
Vince
E-mail NYCTMCID4500@aol.com
Peace
David
PS: Did you enjoy your day off?
Peace
David
Peace
David
-Jay
I wanted to say something to him, but did not want to start a fight, so I let it go. But it really ruined my morning; I cursed this guy under my breath all the way home. I'm not a violent person, but I REALLY wanted to punch this turkey in the face.
So what would anyone else here do if you caught this in your town?
-F.
As a result, our most recent order came with fiberglass seats and upholstered inserts. Many riders complain, but I find them more comfortable. Those who don't can thank their local vandals.
-F.
-F.
I know how you feel, I was on a 25J the other morning when a lady went into her purse, unwrapped an eyelash pencil, threw the wrapper on the floor, then put the pencil back in her purse. I leaned over on her to pick it up and told her "ma'am, please do not do this, we aren't riding a mobile trashcan"...
I have seen a couple blockheads do similar things. One day, a man was eating cashews, and pitching all the shells onto the floor of the bus. First of all, eating is not allowed, and what's more, TRASH.
Another man was spitting on the floor in the back one day...he looked to have had a facial tumor or something. Even so, it's no excuse!
-F.
I would guess that means Coach USA is now going to become First Transit, at least as far as ONE Bus, South Orange, and Trans-Hudson over in Jersey are concerned. I would also suspect that means Rockland will be under new management soon...
Wrong Answer. We are staying within Coach USA's arms!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Rockland Coach Operator
Regards,
Trevor
ARTIC FUN FACT: Tonight after pulling into the depot at the end of my run, I chatted with one of the mechanics who told me that during his familiarization training on the new artics one of the technicians from New Flyer told him that NYCT requires that each weld on the artic's frame be x-rayed to ensure it's integrity. NYCT is the only transit property buying buses from New Flyer that has this stringent requirement. With NYC's abundance of pothole laden streets I can understand why!
To get to my site just copy and paste this url:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BUS-O-RAMA
Thanks
Mark De Loatch
mdlbigcat@comcast.net
-F.
http://www.flatface.net/~tecsbrain/tsounds/052703-WMATA-70-5318.rm
FYI, I use RealMedia for all my sounds because the space savings is amazing -- this file is about 4 megs, while the same file in MP3 is 14 megs...with only 100 megs of space on this hosting account, those 10 megs make a lot of difference, and it means 3 recordings in the space of one. Despite this, some people won't download RealPlayer to listen to the media. I admit that RealONE kinda..sucks, but back versions of their "better" products are available. If you want to download a copy of an earlier version of RealPlayer, or if you want the sounds in an alternate format, please email me and I'll see what I can do.
BTW, don't some NYC subway cars sound that bad when braking?
San Francisco had this same probelm with thier 5305's that resulted in a retrofit.
Most of these agencies try to make Neoplan pay for the fix but is absurd inmy pinion, they only build the bus you want it. Its not thier fault your city streets are so rough or your mechanics are incompotent.
I am a staunch Neoplan supporter due to thier busfan friendly staff and sales reps.
Sean in LA
If WMATA's mechanics were incompetent, the CAFs wouldn't be on the rails because of the sticking doors and defective braking.
If you're gonna call someone's mechanics incompetent, make sure you know who you're talking about.
The trip began with me getting The Bus Thomas SLF on the 22 and immediately passed by Village in the Woods, now called Maple Ridge. I spent most of my good child years here. I then passed by my current home of almost 20 years. I then passed my nursery school, well I passed near it, it was in the back of an apartment complex the bus couldn't get to so it's the next best thing. I then passed by the site of the blue line extension and things are going seemly at planned. By the way the bus number was 63026.
At Addison Road where I quickly got Flxible E 4032 on the J12 and took that to Penn Marr. On route to Penn Marr, I passed by Maybury, an apartment complex we briefly lived with our cousins and after we left the one of the time we stopped talking to our cousins, I am not getting into that. I got to Penn Marr and waited for the V14 to come. Penn Marr was place where we went to and a couple of memories came to mind one was having my cousin's head going through a glass window with him and us going in an ambulance and me and my brother getting arrested as kids stealing bubble gum from a gum machine, and then getting our ass whooped by both our cousin and our mother. At this point it started to rain, and rain it did.
The V14 came around and it was Orion V 4269. I haven't been on this route in years and most of area hasn't changed since I left except for Hilltop Gardens(now Woodland Springs), where they remodeled the apartments and put a circle in complete with clock, a nice touch. I passed by the apartment building I lived as a young child and I had a window right on the V14/old V12 line(V12 ran there before the Addison Road Station opened). This will surprise people, there was a kid that lived in the same apartment complex named get this Franco Harris.
I then passed by one of the elementary schools I went to, Doswell Brooks and all I remember was their damn song about the school. As we got to Addison Road I saw 9660 repowered with top tailpipe(dammit).
It was still raining as I got to Deanwood and after a little wait I got the W4, Orion V 4204, enroute to connect to go to Eastover. I passed by first my first dwellings after being born that, on Benning Road can't remember much exept that we took alot of trips downtown on I believe was the old U2 or X2 one of those two routes. Here again we have a view of buses going by and the U2(or X2) as well as the W4 rolled by often. I then passed by the Annex which back then was Prince George's, and we did some shopping at the nearby shopping center. We then passed by Fairfax Village where a lot of transfers were done hear most being to the old H12 going to marlow Heights. I got to MLK Avenue where I caught A2 Flxible 9330 and took it to the Southern Avenue. From Southern Avenue I got 9772 on the P12 and took it to Eastover, another frequent past hangout and there I ate lunch and got some items on sale at CVS.
When I turned 30 two years ago, I wanted to ride Orion V 2171 since that was my birth date, but I didn't get around to it. I did go to a Caps game on my b-day and my friend and former g/f (yuck, well not at the time, but you catch my drift...) had a group of friends get together and had Happy Birthday Perry put up on the scoreboard at MCI during a Caps/Maple Leafs game.
I should do a nostalgia tour someday like that!
That was also cool what they did for you at the Capitals game, hopefully they won.
It started to clear up after about 2pm and I left home to finish my trip and got oversized delivery van on The Bus 21X, took it to New Carrolton and got another oversized delivery van, the first being 63054 and this one being 63043 on the 16 going to Greenbelt. I passed by my first middle school that being Charles Carroll. I remember many things about my days here but one memory I will share is the student that got run over by a school bus. The bus was just driving off and the student got caught under it. They were fine and actually returned to school a couple of days later. I got to Greenbelt and saw 9349 leaving on the C2. It did come back but at that time was now on Flxible B 8884 on the T17 going back to New Carrolton. There was this whiny kid and mother who kept threatening to whip him if he kept whining, he kept whining and whining. I passed by Robert Goddard Middle another middle school I went to tucked behind Duval high (I didn't go there) and a school bus yard. I do remember the first time the school district got buses powered by diesel and not gas and they were loud, I called them the "CHEMLAWN" buses(they reminded me of the old chemlawn trucks with the same engine). I got to New Carrolton and quickly got on Flxible Metro B 8785 on the F6. This trip was going past my high school(Parkdale) and as I passed by the school they were going to have their graduation TODAY at 5 pm, what a coincidence, my birthday, 30 years old and Parkdale's graduation is today at 5pm. We then were coming upon the college park station and in the road were three geese. I think one of them was trying to get the bus, I guess he and his friends wanted to go shopping at PG Plaza, lol. The driver got a bit nervous and quietly tried to shew them away. All I could say is that they weren't in a crosswalk and if they got hit, then goose dinners for the passengers. We passed by the U of MD and saw all of the buses parked in the yard. You know school is over when you see mostly all of the buses parked in the yard. The only bus that I saw in service was 4291 doing the College Park Metro Shuttle. I got to PG Plaza and caught the F8, again another Metro B 8877 and took it to PG Hospital. As the bus got to West Hyattsville I saw 4274 doing an F2 run and boy I think this bus was in an accident because the skirting was replaced and badly discolored on both sides. This would explain why we haven't see this bus in service anywhere for a while. Last but not least I got at PG Hospital and got 8880 on the A12 and past my last place I wanted to pass which was Kenmoor elementary which happened to be behind Kenmoor middle school, but anyway can't pick out any specific event so I won't. Overall what started out to be a dreary dredful day, turned out to be sunny and almost clear, hey one waslucky to get one out of two.
8750 was also spotted at Landover unsure of route
8761 was spotted at Greenbelt, again unsure of route
8714 was spotted at college Park about to do a J4 or C8 run, probably a J4
8973 was spotted laying over at New Carrolton
9349 was spotted on the C2 at Greenbelt(going to Greenbelt Center), at Beltway Plaza(going to Wheaton Station) and at PG Plaza (going back to Greenbelt center)
9644 was working the T16 with non working destination sign
9650 was working the T18
4269, 4204 and a Flxible I can't remember maybe 9727 have loud screeching brakes
-F.
Happy belated B-Day. Sounds like you had a good day on the buses. If I rode 5 Flxible Metros in one day - it's automatically a good day.
Wayne
Here's what I saw on the M14: 4850, 5191, 5194, 5195, 5200, 8208, 8229, 8253, 8480, 8505, 8512, 9493, 9498, 9499, 9504, 9509, 9510, 9514, 9533
Also, I seen some M9 buses: 8484, 4805, 8255.
I think HP riders have it good, much better than what you would see on any FP route. Anywayz, I got off the last stop of the M14, and walked towards HP depot. I did not see that many buses parked, or going in and out. Here's what I saw at HP:
4803, 4845, 8203, 8207, 8508, 9489, 9531
After seeing HP(and smoking a cig.), I walked towards 10th Av. to get the M11. As I was walking up 10th Av., I realized that the M23 wasn't too far, and most people here know that the D60LF lurks on it. The M23 was not part of the original trip I planned. When I got to 23rd St., since this wasn't suppose to be part of my trip, I was only going to wait for about 3 or 4 buses, then I would forget it. But, I got very lucky as the D60LF was the third bus that came, Sweet! So I took that to up to 5th Av., and I enjoyed every second of riding it. On the M23 I saw mostly 1000 series Artics(1024, 1034, 1036 to name a few), but I did see 5546 going the other way.
At 5Av., I was doing some observations before taking either the M2, M3, or M5. For the M6, I saw:
5204, 8482, 9496, 9500, 9526, 9527.
I did not write down to many MV buses, but here's what I saw:
4320(sad), 4797, 8993, 9009, 5029(yep, this was in 126 st.), 8262(I think), 8353
After my observations, I took 8761 for a short ride on the M3 to 14 st. From there, I took the (L) to Myrtle/Wyckoff, then I waited for the Q55. 4707 came first and it was crowded, so I rejected that(thank God), then 9181 came and I took that home.
BTW, for those who wanted to know when I saw D60LF 3064T, it was around 2:30 P.M. in the afternoon.
R42 #4606, (M) line
R143 #8230, (L) line
M14- RTS #9514
M23- D60LF #3064t
M3- RTS #8761
R143 #8218, (L) line
Q55- RTS #9181
-Jay
.....From there, I took the (L) to Myrtle/Wyckoff, then I waited for the Q55. 4707 came first and it was crowded, so I rejected that(thank God), then 9181 came and I took that home.
Oh boy *shaking my head*, you were going to reject 4707 if it had no passengers on board.
Actually I think its funny in a way, DaRidge gives a good laugh with his hatred for the older buses :-D. But I've told him it's just a bus and they'll be gone in a few years and then there will be NO Hand Me Down RTS's to rant about so he should enjoy it, I hope I get a chance to ride the shuttle bus this weekend on the A and get a GM :-). I see the hatred but on the B13 nah Ridge chill with that.
It's really DUMB to do that.And what's even sadder is,most of us have told him that a bus is a bus,so long as it get's you to where you're going,just take it and shut up but he refuses to listen. -shakes head- sad man,that's sad yo.
Actually I think its funny in a way, DaRidge gives a good laugh with his hatred for the older buses :-D. But I've told him it's just a bus and they'll be gone in a few years and then there will be NO Hand Me Down RTS's to rant about so he should enjoy it, I hope I get a chance to ride the shuttle bus this weekend on the A and get a GM :-). I see the hatred but on the B13 nah Ridge chill with that.
Well "you're" B8 was under 3 depots, and I think that alone is more interesting than everything in Ridgewood/Maspeth/Bushwick put together! But that will change once Maspeth Depot opens in the future. Looking at the same old FP buses is tiring, I'd trade places with anyone if I could.
565 QM1A
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I'll agree, I do like Manhattan's older buses(to a certain extent) a lot more than the ones from the Bx, and Brooklyn. In fact I rode 4832(ex-MJQ bus) on the Q58 today and it was in good shape.
B13- RTS #9171
Q58- RTS #4832
Also for some strange reason three of the four Landover repowers have their destination signs working all except for 9644 doing a T16 run. I saw 9625 on the J4 and its sign is still not working.
Be glad to send you a set for your collection.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK
Did they even operate for NYBS?
Sean in LA
Regards,
Mark Valera
www.transitalk.org
How come on most NYCT buses, when the front exterior destination sign changes, the dots change from left to right thereby changing the lettering from left to right with the route (ie B9, Q5) being left alone, but then on some occasional buses, the sign changes regularly, but on one of the signs the route is moved a couple of inches left or right. Is this confusing? Here's kind of what I mean:
Regular
B41 Kings Plaza
B41 via Flatbsh
Occasionally (with only little exaggeration)
B41 Kings Plaza
B41via Flatbsh
And that's how Flatbush is spelt on the signs by the way. I can understand if this is unclear. If further explanation is necessary, tell me and I will try again a little clearer.
Please excuse this but speaking of destination signs, I saw something in Suffolk. I saw Gillig Phantom 30TB96 #9714 had not the regular destination but the TIME! Yes, it said "00:39:45" I thought that was weird and interesting. I never saw anything like that in my life! Weird, huh? Have you guys seen that?
Vince,
NYCTMCID4500@aol.com
For our purposes here, let's call each batch of information you see at one time on the destination sign a "message". So, to use your example, "B41 KINGS PLAZA" would be one message, and what you see next, "B41 via FLATBSH", would be another message. The idea is to have the route number appear in exactly the same place in each message, to create the effect that only the destination and routing information is changing. However, when each message is programmed into the display, ALL information in each message is programmed in, including the route number. (As opposed to the route number only being programmed in once, and then the routing and destination info.) So, if the programmer goofs and programs the route number a bit more to the right in one particular message, then the route number will appear to move.
The same thing happens in one direction on the Q12. I can't imagine any real reason for anyone at MTA actually wanting it that way, so I'm assuming that it's just an error in programming the messages in.
First message: Q13 NORTHERN BL
Second message: BELL BLVD
Third message: to FT TOTTEN
The same was true of the destination signs on those ill-fated Grummans.
After a while (I don't remember how long), the signs were reprogrammed to show the route number in each message.
I might as well take this opportunity to copy the contents of a notebook I recently found lying around. It looks like these notes are from around 1983. I think I've divided the three styles correctly, but I'm not sure, and I'd welcome corrections. (In particular, would these models of bus have run on these routes in 1983?)
1981
M1 PARK AV SO
to 8 ST-4 AV
M1 MADISON AV to
147-AC POWELL
M2 5th AV
to 8 ST-4 AV
M3 5th AV
to 8 ST & 4 AV
via CONVENT AV
M3 5th AV
to 8 ST & 4 AV
via ST NICHOLAS
M22 MADISON ST
to WEST & VESEY
WORLD TRADE CTR
M22 MADISON ST
to GRAND ST &
FDR DR
1982
M27 49TH ST
TO BROADWAY
PORT AUTH TERM
1983
M8 TO GRAND ST-
FDR DR
M8 TO GRAND ST-
VARICK ST
M16 TO
34 ST-1 AV
M16 TO
WATERSIDE
M35 TO 125 ST-
LEXINGTON AV
M101 TO 193 ST-
AMSTERDAM AV
M101 TO 42 ST-
LEXINGTON AV
It reminds me why I love those early 90s Gultan-Luminator signs with the split panels. On those, the route number is programmed separately; it is in a larger font and it never disappears from its own panel. On the second panel appear the changing messages (route name, destination, via, p/r messages, etc). Such signs are seen on WMATA's 9300-series Flxibles and 9600-series Orions, for instance.
It should be noted, though, that these signs often display curious readings. Whether it's due to device malfunction or poor programming, strange results are fairly common:
Route number appearing twice:
51A 51A ARLINGTON HTS
Route not appearing on first panel and replaced with zeroes:
000 76 BEN FRANKLINE
No route number at all:
___ WESTHEIMER LTD
The destination spilling over onto the route number display (a very rare one, but I swear I've seen it):
SILV ER SPRING
And who can't love those WMATA specials with the punctuation marks:
-42. MT PLEASANT
I must agree, though, that it's really important to display the route number on every message. One of my transit systems does not do so, and also refuses to use prepositions in any message, so first we get the route number and name, and then a random smattering of other info:
10 CHENE
HAMTRAMCK
DOWNTOWN
70 70 MILESTONE
Q13 NORTHERN BL
BELL BLVD
FT TOTTEN
That was your example.
In 1996, it appeared again on SI but slightly reversed.
When the 1996 Orions 631-680 came in and went to YUK, I used to get them a lot in the morning on the S78 (when it was in YUK).
The S78's Tottenville destination sign was unique, and I don't remember how the St. George Ferry one went.
The Tottenville destination read the following:
First Message: TOTTENVILLE
Secnd Message: S78 via Hylan
That was the only one route I remember seeing like that.
For instance:
Q17 JAMAICA
Q17 ARCHER AV
Q17 FLUSHING
Q17 MAIN ST STA
Q44 LIMITED
Q44 BRONX ZOO/WEST FARMS SQ
Q44 via MAIN ST
Q16 FT TOTTEN
Q16 via UTOPIA
Regular
B41 Kings Plaza
B41 via Flatbsh
B41 LIMITED
The other one
B41 Kings Plz
B41 via Flatbsh
B41 LIMITED
on 5100-5124
B41 Kings Plaza
B41 via Flatbush
B41 LIMITED
I understand what you're saying, with some codes it takes up more space on a destination than others like the example provided.
-F.
I have also seen some of Academy's new buses from the State on Wall Street runs. Does anybody know on what legal basis Academy is able to operate 102 inch wide buses through the Holland Tunnel? I thought buses in the Holland had to be no wider than 96 inches.
Since then Lakeland, Academy, Suburban and NJT have been using 102" wide buses in the tunnel. They are however restricted to ONE LANE ONLY!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK
Here is my guess of the 3000`s that were sent down south:
3001, 3002, 3004, 3005, 3010, 3013, 3014.
Any buses I missed , please fill me in.
Thanks
Mark De Loatch
mdlbigcat@comcast.net
Trevor
Trevor
I've seen them ranging from 8827-8863 and 8924-8951, 8945-8951 have lavatories that I've seen so far. The buses I've seen from 8827-8836 & 8924-8951 had been 45 footers. The others have been 40 footers.
Community Coach just received more buses, 8774-8778 (which they will get up to 8786) has been spotted all white as 40 footers. At Rockland we got 45 footers 8524-8553 and is expecting 8554-8555 AND about 40 more 40 Footers any day now. Suburban has recieved 8806-8824 as 45 footers.
In the private numbers the buses left that hasn't arrived is:
8627-8702
8825-8826
8864-8923
8951-8960
Current Private Assignment is:
8401-8435 D4000 @ Decamp
8436-8450 D4500 @ Decamp
8451-8453 D4000 @ Carefree (ALL Have Lavatories and 8453 has TVs)
8454-8503 D4000 @ Rockland Coaches
8504-8513 D4000 @ Suburban
8514-8518 D4000 @ Community Coach
8519-8523 D4000 @ Olympia Trails
8524-8555 D4500 @ Rockland Coaches (Up to 8553 on the property as of today)
8556-8559 D4000 @ Trans Bridge
8560-8562 D4500 @ Trans Bridge
8563-8626 D4000 @ Academy
8703 D4000 @ Nate's Transportation
8704-8759 D4000 @ Lakeland
8760-8764 D4500 @ Lakeland
8765-8773 D4500 @ Community Coach
8774-8787 D4000 @ Community Coach (Up to 8778 on the property as of today)
8788-8801 D4500 @ Short Line
8802-8805 D4500 @ Liesure Line
8806-8824 D4500 @ Suburban
8827-8836 D4500 @ Academy
8853-8863 D4000 @ Academy
8924-8951 D4500 @ Academy (8945-8951 have lavatories)
Hope all this info helped you out!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK
So if you look at
Robert
On a related note, I know that all MC-9As operated by NJT were retired within the past few months; there may still be a handful of MC-9Bs at Egg Harbor, but I haven't been down that way in a long while.
IIRC, they have the Hoboken, Perth Amboy, Leonardo, Toms River Facilities. I know there is one more, but I can't think of the name.
Also Academy uses thier Body Rite Facility in Secaucus to house the buses from the Bergen County 700 Line Contract.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
I am quite sure that 8802-8805 have the Short Line decal near the Coach USA decal, just like 8788-8801. A year or two back, the Leisure Line commuter routes from Oakland were "turned over" to Short Line and at the same time, a number of Leisure Line buses were renumbered with the "70" Short Line prefix. Leisure Line became primarily a charter and Atlantic City operator, with no more commuter runs. I recollect that this happened at about the same time the "new" Leisure Line facility opened in Maywood or Rochelle Park, just off Route 17.
One of my closest buds who works for Liesure Lines, works Run 3 on that line.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.org
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Is thier any advantages of having the door. Sounds like reduced leg room for the operator
Does anybody know what buses are in which garage in NJT and even the privates? I know they cahnge but just give for right now. I heard that NEW buses are in Academy, Rockland Coaches and more. Also, which ones are 40 Foot and 45 Foot? Thanks in advance!
Ray
Robert
Peace,
ANDEE
BIG AL
Any buses removed from service are going into storage at this time.
Several sources have told me this.
Thank You
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BIG AL
If the city and MTA come to an agreement the takeover will be soon. I was told this by a person who is very high up in the DOB.
I was also told that the MTA will be taking over the routes of New York Bus Service regardless of what happens with the other DOT lines
Thank You
Not to worry, there's a PA trip planned later this summer...keep your eyes at btco.net for word of it.
Wayne
-F.
-F.
"2 down, 4 to go" is your hint as to why I can't make it.
Hopefully if I do get to meet you guys on a bus trip before the big kahuna in July, I would love to.
Who would ever think that with all of this rain that we got, that I would have to build an ark TO GET THROUGH MY OWN STORE!!!!!
Have fun on your trip anyway.
Wes Samuels(PISSED OFF STORE MANAGER)
The MTA site has 2 advisories for the L train.
One reads:
L Train - Trains run in 2 sections - Between 8Av and Bway Jxn & Bway Jxn and Rockaway Pkwy 10 PM Friday - 5AM Monday, 5/30-6/2
L Train - Shuttle Buses replace trains between Rockaway Pkwy and Bway Jxn, 8PM Friday - 5AM Monday, 5/30-6/2
Which advisory prevails???
Will there be shuttle buses this weekend and trains running at the same time??? - If so, waste of $$ for city, which should use the wasted $$ for keeping firehouses open.
Will there be shuttle buses this weekend and trains running at the same time??? - If so, waste of $$ for city, which should use the wasted $$ for keeping firehouses open.
Yes. And what does transit have to do with the fire department in this case?
-F.
Just a few months ago, our primary storage building flooded; the General and four others (including a 5303, a 35-foot Flxible New Look, a 1947 Mack, and a baby Fishbowl) sat under 4 feet of water before we had a chance to bail them out. They were all moved dry land at our main building off the flood plain, and we immediately removed all contaminated fuel and fluids to prevent inner rust.
Three months later, we decided to try starting the bus. After very little effort, 7535 fired right up for the first time in 16 years, and roared to life! It built air presssure just fine, so shortly after warmup, we tried to move it around. After much coaxing, its stubborn transmission went into gear, and it went rolling back and forth like it had never sat a day in its life. We then took it around the block to store it outside at another side of the building. (Not to worry, it's fenced in with barbed wire.)
The seats and Plexiglas windows are badly faded, and it needs cleaning. The outside was partially restored by the previous museum, so it looks cosmetically OK. This bus sounds like no other 6V71-powered vehicle I have ever heard...it has the straight roar of an early Fishbowl, with a slight whine not unlike a Grumman 870. Very interesting bus indeed. And it is one of only two AMGs from DC that are still known to exist.
Thought you guys would like to know! :)
Fred Donaher
Curator Of Buses
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
A Non-Profit Organization
www.commonwealthcoach.com
-F.
Mark
Well the dispatcher was reading the NY POST. 2 other transit employees(not bus drivers) were hanging out on the clock. Plus a fella in a white shirt who looked like a traffic checker was doodling on a pad
what a waste of money
(LED EVERYTHING, side turn signals, front lower corner turn signals, door illuminators, curb illuminators, all rear lights, including the reverse light, same seats on the NABIs, LED doorwell light, SAME OLD VULTRON SIGN!!!!)
I boarded ahead of chris and I presented my Student ID, the driver rejected my ID because it was after 7 PM (at least the driver knows the right rules) and i got off because i was too ghetto to pay one dollar to ride the bus. So chris hopped on and I got off, 10 seconds later, a 2001 Orion on the 59 (To Rockville) pulled up behind the Q2, I hopped on and used my 20 trip card to pay my fare and obtained an all day transfer, my 59 followed Chris's Q2 out of the station where we met face to face at a traffic light, when the light turned green, his Q2 turned right and my 59 turned left and we raced using our seperate routes to Rockville. Surprisingly, his Q2 got to Rockville first, and I arrived at Rockville about 10 minutes later. As we waited for a 46, an hispanic guy with no english approached us and asked for a cigarette, we gladly said no and he moved on. (This is the kind of person who looks like he does drugs and that crap). A 47 pulled in and Chris decided to take that, so he departed from me and took the 47 back to Montgomery Mall to retrieve his car.
In the meanwhile, I hopped on the 46 that came 10 minutes later, I went to sit in the back. The same drugged up hispanic guy got into a dispute with the driver about a transfer, the hispanic guy refused to pay the fare and sat down. Naturally, the driver threw the parking brakes and reported the guy to central, who sent a transit police over. We waited at rockville station for 10 minutes for the transit police as the hispanic guy sat down and refused to move. After 15 minutes he finally gave up and left the bus.
During that wait at Rockville station for the transit police, a 10 year old "Suburban thug" with a scooter kept on cussing shit about the hispanic guy who was holding up the bus and talking about how he'll "mess him up" During the wait, he saw one of his homies outside the bus and left via the rear door to talk to them (leaving his scooter on the bus) As he was outside talking to his homies, the hispanic guy gave up and left, and the driver started the pull away. The suburban thug kid started running after the bus when we started to pull away (LOL!) He DID make it back onboard. During the trip, he kept on begging to use my phone and how he had a whole ton of cash (remember he asked me for a dollar...) and he wont steal my phone. I just ignored him and he eventually shut up. I got off at my stop and went home :)
Pics of 4337 will be available when chris comes home, unfortunately, I did not manage to get any pics of 4337.
On the Q2 Ray mentioned, at the back of the bus were suburban thugs trying to use a Nextel Dirct Connect phone. They kept on trying but they couldn't get it to work:
"Hey how does this thing work?"
"Hello, hello?" one of them says as he pushes the button two use the two way radio feature. It never worked. Wow they were pathetic. And by the way, one of them was named "Sniggadoodle";-) No kidding. he yelled that out loud on the bus when he got on. BTW Ray, remember the thug in the white shirt that got off one of the CNG Orions? That was ol' Sniggadoodle;-)
Anyways, here is 4337. Sorry for the low resolution pics or bad angles.
Also, here are a few Ride-On pics worth noting:
This is courtesy of lax security at the Ride-On garage;-)
Here is a training but used by Ride-On, 5500 I believe. Note the extra mirrors.
'89 Gillig Phantom w/no bike rack....or rear window.
Nothing special, just thought the dark background was kinda cool.
Here's a first. I saw 4326 with a camera. That is the first non-2000 and up bus with a camera. I don't know if this bus was rehabbed or not, but when the rest of the 1998-99 buses are rehabbed, some might have cameras also.
Peace
David
I have anythign LA you could magine puls stuff nobody ever saw.
Please advise if interested.
Sean in LA
I first got Orion VI on the F14 going to Capitol Heights. Getting close to Cap Heights, I saw 8757(unrehabbed) deadheading to the Annex.
I next got 2348 on the U8 and took that to Minnesota Avenue. On Nannie Helen Burroghs Avenue, we were passed by in the opposite direction by 2427 which had an usual destination sign. The front sign read:"U+8=Capitol" then "U+8=Heights", couldn't see the side or back since it was coming from the opposite direction, nonetheless not a math problem we got in school. As I got to Minnisota Avenue, there was NABI 52XX about to do an X2, except for one problem, it wasn't going anywhere as it was being repaired. In it place was 40' Flxible Metro B 8847. This is the first time I have taken a 40' on the X2 since, getting Flxible new look 8209. I have always managed to get either a NABI or a MANN on the X2. I took that bus downtown and we caught up with NABI 5231, but passed us again for good when the bus got stuck behind an idling car that wouldn't move even though the bus was honking its horn. The bus had to back up to get around it. I got to H and 11th streets and got off the bus to walk down to catch the 13A to the Pentagon, which I found out I could have taken an S or 62,4 bus down to get that bus. I thought that bus left earlier than I assumed. I did see a lot of neoplans, but not on the 70. I saw 2 on the 54 and three on the S routes. I saw one on the 70s, as I was riding the 13A which was Orion VI 2081(the only bus with a camera in the rear of the bus on the outside). I took that to the Pentagon (with about 5 people) and barely made it, only to missed the connecting 306 to GMU. I wasn't sure if the 306 had a surcharge, since it takes the place of the 17A during non rush hour and the 17A has a 90 cent surcharge, it didn't. I later got another 306 which was WMATA reject 7864, enroute to George Mason University. This was sort of a continuation of my birthday bus trip from Wednesday. I past downtown where we used to go alot when I was little, passing by the old Woodies building, going to where I went to college, George Mason University, and passing my current place of employment. Little did I know the last one I would have to go there again later, as I will explain. In DC, I also spotted 4001 on the D6(most likely from Western) and 4231(FMR) on Southern P6. I got to GMU, and used the facilities and went to get the Green 2 Cue bus to intersect with the 1C. I got Cue 30' Gillig with M11 engine 817 on the Green Two route. Anyone who want to see an Orion with a single front door and pantograph back doors, see the Cue Orion Is. They also have a back window. The Gillig I rode has a voice announcement system, but it only announces major landmarks or major intersections. It also has an interesting stop announcement sound. It beeps, then chimes, when someone pulls the cord.
I was off of the Green Two, waiting for the 1C to come when disaster was about to hit. I got a call from my work saying that the back room was leaking and starting to flood. I got Orion V 2152 on the 1C and took it to seven corners. I got to 7 corners and the news got worse. I got another call saying the leak is worse and it is flooding the back room, wetting some shoe boxes. That is when I decided to go to work to see what was going on, and boy was I steamed, let me repeat that, BOY WAS I STEAMED!!!! The plans I have for this bus trip went to pot as I now instead of getting the 28B to go to King Street and try to get a DASH Orion I and then try to get a FFX connector 35'(never rode them), I took the 28B(Orion V 4323) and then got the 25B(Orion V 9615, unrepowered) to Landmark and went through a whole rigamorole getting this flood thing straight and to keep from exploding with anger. This had happened before, with a group of shoes ruined one time. I am not sure if any or how many shoes were ruined that will be determined Saturday, but I was mad and what made it worse, the mall didn't come when I called over and over again, and had to call our corporate maintenance to force them to come. They finally did, about two hours later. I got there at 4:30 pm, and left at about 6:30 pm. NOT TOO HAPPY!!!
I did get my Orion One ride in taking from Landmark DASH 25 on the AT7 going to King Street. I had to take metrorail, if I had any hope of getting home, so at King Street got lead car 4052 on the yellow line going towards L'Enfant Plaza. I then got( had to run for it) 4048(not sure of lead car), and got that to Suitland as I knew I would miss the F14. I got the P12, Flxible Metro D 9731 going towards Addison Road. As I got on the bus there were people moving away from a certain person, who was apperently homeless riding the bus. Anyway I sat in front of this person(**** I was too mad to give a ****), and he smelled real bad. Anyway I got to Addison Road and got Orion V 4266 on the A12 somewhere close to home. Some teenagers who were on the same bus as that man urged the bus driver to pull off as he approached the bus. Last but not least at Suitland I saw something that was a first, 4326 has a camera, the first bus that came before the 2000 buses with one. Also 2182 (earlier) and 2164(at the Suitland Station also) has one.
It was not as planned and I am pissed off still, but I did do something that I don't think I never did was to ride different generations and different Orion models. Wednesday Flxibles, today Orions.
SEPTA's ElDorados suck...of course all Eldos are crap because they are not transit buses!