Back around 1987 I embarked on a project to document the Manhattan routes and route signs, as well as a very approximate depot-by-depot roster. I recently found the incomplete results of this project. (In case anyone wants to date things more precisely, the "roster" -- really just a list of numerical ranges and vague descriptions -- goes through the 1987-88 RTS, but the route info, which I think is a bit older, includes such routes as the M13, M18, M19, M26, M28, and M103. I also made some updates; for instance, there's a large blob of white out on my M3 page that can only be the Convent Avenue variant before it was eliminated.) For each route, I basically created my own strip map in the basic style of the Guide-a-Rides, recorded both the flip-dot (RTS) sign reading and the New Look rollsign reading, and copied the "approximate waiting time between buses" off the then-current bus map. I only completed the M1-M7, M11 (southbound only), and M79 (eastbound only, and I clearly did this one later than the others).
Would anyone be interested any of this stuff?
Let me try that last sentence again:
Would anyone be interested in seeing any of this stuff?
Much better.
David, please count me in.
Anything in particular, or should I go ahead and transcribe just about everything? (I'd be glad to, but you'll have to give me some time.)
I want to see everything too!
Ray
I was assigned this repowered RTS yesterday and had it for the entire day. It ran very well and has been retrofitted with a retarder that is the best I've ever used. You just barely touch the brake pedal and the retarder begins to decelerate the bus immediately. Even while coasting you could feel the retarder holding the bus back. My only gripe with the bus is that the interior wasn't refurbished but remained in it's original and somewhat shabby condition. This was in stark contrast to it's bright shiny new paint job. If you're going to go through the time and expense to install a new engine and repaint the exterior then wouldn't it make sense to refurbish the interior thus producing a bus that is in like new condition?
I agree; that sounds a bit ghetto to leave the interior that way. Otherwise, it sounds like a great refurbished bus!
-F.
Perhaps it was, and this is what the ridership has done to it.
-Hank
The public does abuse bus interiors but in this case it's not their fault. Bus #8242 has just recently returned from being repowered and was just placed in passenger service.
Anyone know where to find a Greyhound lock?
what's a greyhound lock?
Companion to a Greyhound Bagel and Cream Cheese. (Just something to whet BMTman's appetite)
I think Heypaul would find it more pleasing then the BMTman, although he's having Slant 40 withdrawls since his removal from Canarsie.
Mr t__:^)
While they may not be officially called Greyhound locks, i distinctly recall about 2 years ago when i was a Greyhound driver that drivers could place a lock some sort of a bolt and lock contraption to keep from hitting that door release plunge on the outside front of the MC12s.
On a night run to Richmond, pulling into Baltimore Travel Plaza, I noticed i was not getting the "STOP LIGHT" indication on the tell tale panel. Of course the lights and the inidcation worked fine when u had the bus in park. Since the geniuses at 29th/30th street decided not to fuel this bus before i took it out, i was forced to throw everyone off the bus at BTP to bring the bus around to fuel it. While i was there, i asked a truck driver who was fueling to stand behind the bus to see if my brake lights worked (my tail lights were working. The brake lights were not working.
So i went back up to park the bus in the dock, went inside and called dallas (ah, the memories). While i was on the phone on hold forever as usual, i asked the ticket lady what was up up with the 10 or so buses parked in the lot just north of the building. She said they were probably reserved for morning schedules out of downtown baltimore. She suggested that i check them out and if one was open to take it and she would deal with that driver later.
All 10 of these buses had the lock on the door plunger! Most had notes written on ticket envelopes in the windshields indicating 'reserved for schedule ____".
After much bantering i just took the bus down to richmond, pouting on the hazard lights whenever i had to slow down.
Not my choice, but i really didnt care at that point.
And after all that, i had to sleep in the richmond dorm (i called them jailcells).
Greyhound never heard of locks. They leave their buses unlocked everywhere. They don't even need an ignition key.
A Greyhound lock is a piece of metal that curls in between the door and the body panel with a small metal piece protruding so that a padlock could be placed on the door. Once there, the door would not budge unless you had the tools to remove said door.
Any news on the reversed X12 status and the status of Staten Island-Bayonne service? Something tells me there's more going on than what meets the eye or ear.
I have no clue right now but I was always wondering why the Bayonne Bridge was never used - have the buses run via NJ and the Holland Tunnel to Manhattan. (at least for expresses)
I have no clue right now but I was always wondering why the Bayonne Bridge was never used - have the buses run via NJ and the Holland Tunnel to Manhattan. (at least for expresses)
Sounds like a good idea, except that the TA's MCI buses can't use the Holland Tunnel because of width restrictions (the D4500s are 102" wide, while the maximum width allowed in the Holland is 96"). However, if they wanted to, the TA could route some express routes via the Bayonne Bridge and the Lincoln Tunnel via the Newark Bay Extension of the NJ Turnpike.
I live not too far from Pennsylvania Ave in ENY, Bklyn. I noticed about 10-12 years ago the street was renamed Granville Payne Ave. Who is Granville Payne?
Any help would be appreciated.......
I've been wondering the same thing myself. While we're at it, who were Mother Gaston and Thomas S. Boyland, and why did Hopkinson Avenue get DEMOTED to Thomas S. Boyaland Street when the others became boulevards?
I believe T.S.Boyland was/is a political figure in the area. I read somewhere that his family still lives in the Bed Stuy/Ocean Hill area.
What's wrong with this photo?
1. There's a paper on the Windsheld between the Wipers.
2. The headsign say's "RAIL SHUTTLE". It's was to say "R5 AMBLER" or "R5 GLENSIDE".
3. Between the words "SEPTA" there's 2 FUNNY Looking S. One on each side.
Whats wrong with this photo?
src="http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/septabus/images/eldorado/4532.jpg">
1. It's on 96(Witch would see ElDorados on Sundays on some trips).
2. A ODD Looking 96 Bus stop sign next to the ElDorado.
3. Looks like a bridge in the background witch is unknown.
Those 2 Photos where took by ctrabs74.
I am so sorry about the other photo did not came up. I try again. 2nd try.
Better!
no try agian olny angelfire appear.
test
According to the server's directory map, you need to re-upload that photo (doesn't appear to exist) - other pics in that directory are ok.
Can't remote-link ANYTHING from Angelfire. Will show up in the post only if in the cache of the viewer. No apostrophe is 'says'; unless it belongs to someone named Say. The correct 'witch' is 'which'.
-Hank
idk why the Angelfire comes up. BUT I think I should give the links to the website instead. Here are the links to the photos.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/septabus/images/eldorado/4532.jpg
And
http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/septabus/images/nabi/5196.jpg
You should also make those into clickable links. a href="http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/septabus/images/nabi/5196.jpg". Enclose the link, add the text, and add a '/a'
-Hank
5196
No, then the same Angelfire graphic would appear again.
angerfire links + imgs is not compatible with bustalk.you the picture or link in cache.
i have a website at this link
i have a website at this link here.
i came into the city this morning on a greyhound bus right before the end of the rush hour... the bus went in the special reverse bus lanes through the tunnel... for the hell of me, i don't remember passing through an ezpass toll gate... maybe i missed something because it was at the end of a 25 hour ride...
also coming down the corkscrew into the tunnel, the mirrors on the right side come real close to some signs on the right...
also coming out of the tunnel on the new york side, the greyhound had to cross across about 4 or 5 lanes of traffic to get to make the right at 40th street to enter the port... i could see where that could really tie things up...
When the morning rush hour buses come down the Express Bus Lane (XBL), and come around the candy-cane U to the toll plaza, it doesn't go through the tolls itself, next time you ride, ride the front seat, as you approach the tolls, look above there is something right at the toll plaza that looks like a video camera hanging from the side of the plaza awning, That is the EZ-Pass reader for the morning inbound XBL buses. These are also along the Garden State Parkway.
They are called High Speed Readers, I once worked at EZ-Pass headquarters and right before I quit they were just prepping to implement these devices along parts of the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
thanks trevor... i didn't know about the high speed readers...
do you know if mirrors getting hit is a common problem going through the tunnel??... it seems very close at times... paul
It's a regular thing, I've blinged a few myself, its easy to do. You can estimate all you want, it will happen!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
trevor... do drivers carry a spare mirror?? or are the buses equipped with a spare??... if a bus loses the whole right hand side mirrors, can it be driven?? what happens?? thanks...
If we loose a mirror in the tunnel that's it, we are "assed out" until we call control center. Usually there is a NJT maintenance truck on the NYC side in our Galvin Lot (NJT Lot next to the Mercedes Dealership on 40th), so they keep stuff like that in the truck. If on the Jersey side, call control center and usually the Weehawken Lot (NJT Lot just outside the Tunnel) has a truck there with x amount of supplies. If not Weehawken responding, its the Meadowlands Garage.
Regards,
T. Logan
www.transitalk.com
I've seen on the traffic reports that some of the inbound buses to NY indeed bypass the toll booths. I used to ride the 11A from upstate NY to the PAT. The driver always had to stop for the toll inbound. Most of the time he was in the right lane to go into the terminal, but it was a hard right to get on the ramp. God help the driver if he was in the wrong lane. But if the NJT has a reverse bus lane, it's news to me.
That is all.
-Hank
Point yourselves in the general direction of:
http://www.mindspring.com/~nixon1/maps/. Bear in mind that these are 150k+ scans. There are four pages (the map is rather small and I can see it having been extremely useless), and the map doesn't show anything other than the routes and the streets they run on. There are also service descriptions. Don't forget to scroll vertically and horizontally!
-Hank
Atlantic Express Transportation Group.Inc
7 North Street
Staten Island NY 10302
718 442 7000
X23 Starts on Luten and Amboy,goes down Luten ,Makes a right turn on Hylan.Makes a right turn on Sequine,stops at Sequine and Oswald,Continues on Sequine and makes a right turn onto Amboy .
Makes a left turn onto Foster continuing onFoster stops at Foster /Albourne,Drumgoole Ramona,Woodrow..
Makes a right turn onto Woodrow,and stops at Woodrow /Huguenot/.Delmar Arden .Oak ,Arthur Kill ,makes a left on to AKR to Arden Av,then turning onto the West Shore Expressway
Manhattan routing is pretty much 34 st ,Madison to 59 st
Returning via 5 av and 34 st,into NJ
Stops to Manhattan
on 34 at 9,,8,7,6,5,
on Madison at 37,40,43,47,51,55 and 59
Stops to Staten Island
on 5 av at 59,55,51,47,43,40,37
on 34 st at 5,6,7,8 9
Starts on Hylan and Keegans ,,runs along ,Hylan ,and stops at Great Kills,Nelson,Armstrong,Richmond,Arden,
Makes a right turn onto Arden and stops at Shirley ,Koch,Oakdale,Amboy,Pompey,Annadale,Drumgoole,Sinclaire,Woodrow
Makes a left turn onto Woodrow,and stops at Holcombe,Ballard,Hugeuenot ,
Makes a right turn onto Huguenot ,and stops at Avon Green ,Sussex Green ,and West shore Expressway
the x23 and the X24 material came from Official Documents ===NOTE
It's Seguine Ave (easy mistake with most fonts), and it has to make a left from Foster onto Woodrow to get to Huguenot. It has to take Arthur Kill Rd to Huguenot Ave to get on 440 north. It makes NO stops between Arden Ave & Oak Lane and Oak Lane & Arthur Kill Rd? Those are long stretches. Until it goes past Arden Ave on Woodrow Rd, it's basically the route of the s56.
-Hank
The material came from Atlantic Exp documents--Hank!!!
Thank you
Steve
Doesn't matter where it came from. The turn is wrong, and the streetname incorrect.
-Hank
Doesn't matter where it came from. The turn is NOT wrong, and the streetname incorrect.
Hank has some trouble with right and left.
-Hank
SEGUINE - Not seQuine
please dont correct my spelling or typing,,I post the info for YOUR enjoyment,,and education---I am a college graduate
Steve
FDNY
So just because your a college graduate that makes you all high and mighty, and immune from corrections.
Sorry, people make mistakes, and if you don't want to be corrected, then keep your mouth shut, because you will ALWAYS make mistakes.
So will I, so will we all.
Contact me off the bus talk
Steve
Please don't take offense, FDNY. In most cases, you can understand what the person means even when they misspell and there I would agree with you. In this situation, it would have been a little more difficult because some streets on Staten Island are spelled pretty closely and would require having a map in front of you to catch it.
Please continue to post any information you think would be useful to us. I think that I am informed, but sometimes I miss an important piece of news and you usually have access to news that I may not be able to get easily. I can tell that I am not the only one that appreciates your info.
Please understand that everything I post ,comes from OFFICIAL sources ,only --be it the Q27 LTD from QV or wrong turns\\==this includes Atlantic Express and very very soon,,Academy Buses and Rutgers U.
I enjoy sharing NEW material with all of you ,the once month NYCT Agendas are an example of this
I wasn't calling you on a spelling error. I was mentioning the name of the street has a G, not a Q. In MANY fonts, a lowercase g and lowercase q are identical. In a word, it's not a big deal, because you'll usually know that there is no such word as 'qreat' But it makes a major difference in a street name. Think 'Hyland Blvd'.
-Hank
Please do not ask me for Codes--I do not give that material out !!
Format
will be
Existing
Revised
Depots
Comments
M34 EAST SIDE
1 AV
CROSSTOWN
M34 EAST SIDE
F D R DR
CROSSTOWN
HUDSON DEPOT
NO COMMENT
BX10 NORWOOD
206 ST
BX10 NORWOOD
205 ST STA
KINGSBRIDGE DEPOT
NONE
BX16 NORWOOD
206 ST
BX16 NORWOD
205 ST STA
GUN HILL AND KINGSBRIDGE DEPOTS
NONE
BX28 NORWOOD
206 ST
BX28 NORWOOD
205 ST STA
VIA GUNHILL
GH AND KB DEPOTS
BX30 NORWOOD
206 ST
BX30 NORWOOD
205 ST STA
GH AND KB DEPOT
B1 MANHATN BCH
KINGSBORO COMM COLL
B1 MANHATN BCH
ORIENTAL BL
ULMER PARK DEPOT
----------------------------------
Q27 LIMITED
QUEENS VIL
JAMAICA AV
QV DEPOT
NEW READING
Q27 LIMITED
FLUSHING
MAIN ST STA
QV DEPOT
NEW READING
S81 LIMITED
GRANT CITY
CAST AND YUK DEPOT
NEW READING
-------------------------------------
X86 RANDALL IS
KB GH HALE,HUD,AMS,126,QUILL,MAN,JAM,QV STENGL FP ENY DEPOTS
DELETE
X86 W HARLEM
BWAY=145 ST
#1 TRAIN
SAME DEPOTS
DELETE READING
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QUEENS VILLAGE
LIRR SHUTTLE
QV AND JAMA
DELETE THIS READING
----------------------------
JAMAICA STATION
LIRR SHUTTLE
SAME
DELETE THIS READING
--------------------------
QUEENS VILLAGE
via HSF & HOLLIS
LIRR SHUTTLE
QV AND JAM
DELETE THIS READING
=-==========================
HSF ONLY
LIRR SHUTTLE
QV AND JAM
DELETE THIS READING
============================
SHUTTLE TO DEKALK AV STA
BKLYN
GLEASON DEPOT
NEW READING
SHUTTLE TO
GRAND ST
MANHATTAN
GLEASON DEPOT
NEW READING
------------------------------
X22 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA MADISON AV
CAS AND YUK
NEW READING
X22 TOTTENVILLE
VIA ROSSVIL
VIA AMBOY
CAS AND YUK
NEW READING
-----------------------------
X31 EAST MIDTOWN
VIA NEW JERSEY
X31 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA MADISON AV
CAS AND YUKON DEPOT
-----------------------
X82 RANDALL IS
KB GH HALE,HUD,AMS,126,QUILL,MAN,JAM QV STENGL,FP AND ENY
DELTE THIS READING
X82 INWOOD
DYCKMAN ST
SAME DEPOTS
DELETE THIS READING
X85 RANDALL IS
SAME DEPOTS
DELETE THIS READING
X85 G W BRIDGE
A TRAIN
DAME DEPOT
DELETE THIS READING
---------------------------------
X12 W MIDTOWN
VIA CHRCH
VIA MADISON
X12 WEST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA CHURCH AV
VIA MADISON AV
CAS AND YUK ,,
X14 WEST MIDTOWN
VIA WATER
VIA F D R DR
X14 WEST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA WATER ST
VIA F D R DR
CAS AND YUK
X17 E MIDTOWN
VIA CHRCH
VIA MADISN
X17 EAST MDITOWN
57 ST
VIA CHYRCH ST
VIA MADISON AV
CAS AND YUK DEPOT
X17 EAST MIDTOWN
VIA NEW JERSEY
X17 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA MADISON AV
CAS YUK DEPOTS
X19 DOWNTOWN
VIA CHRCH
X19 DOWNTOWN
WORTH ST
VIA CHURCH ST
CAST YUK DEPOTS
===================================
X21 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA MADISON AV
CAST YUKON DEPOTS
NEW READINGS
X21 PLEASNT PLAINS
VIA ROSSVIL
VIA BLOOMINGDALE
CAST AND YUK DEPOT
NEW READING
------------------------------------
S92 LIMITED
SI COLLEGE
VIA VICTORY
S92 LIMITED
CANTRBURY AV
VIA VICTORY
CAST AND YUK DEPOTS
S93 BAY RIDGE
86 ST STA
VIA VICTORY
VIA CLOVE
CAST AND YUKK DEPOT
NEW READINGS
S93 WILLOWBROOK
CANTRBURY AV
VIA CLOVE
VIA VICTORY
CAST AND YUK
NEW READINGS
X1 WEST MIDTOWN
VIA CHRCH ST
VIA 6 AV
X1 WEST MIDTOWN
CNTRL PK S
VIA CHRCH ST
VIA 6 AV
CAST AND YUK
X2 EAST MIDTOWN
VIA F D R DR
VIA MADISN
X2 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA F D R DR
VIA MADISON
CAST AND YUK
X3 DOWNTOWN
VIA CHRCH ST
X3 DOWNTOWN
VESEY ST
VIA CHURCH
VIA MURRAY
CAS AND YUK
X4 DOWNTOWN
VIA CHRCH ST
X4 DOWNTOWN
CESEY ST
VIA CHURCH
VIA MURRAY
CAST AND YUK
--------------------------------------
X5 EAST MIDTOWN
VIA F D R DR
VIA MADISN
X5 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA F D R DR
VIA MADISON
X6 WEST MIDTOWN
VIA WEST ST
VIA 6 AV
X6 WEST MIDTOWN
CNTRL PK S
VIA WEST ST
VIA 6 AV
X7 WEST MIDTOWN
VIA WEST ST
VIA 6 AV
X7 WEST MIDTOWN
CNTRL PK S
VIA WEST ST
VIA 6 AV
X8 DOWNTOWN
VIA WATER ST
X8 DOWNTOWN
FRANKFRT ST
VIA WATER ST
X9 WEST MIDTOWN
VIA WEST ST
VIA 6 AV
X9 WEST MIDTOWN
CNTRL PK S
VIA WEST ST
VIA 6 AV
X10 EAST MIDTOWN
VIA CHRUCH ST
VIA MADISN
X10 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA CHURCH ST
VIA MADISON AV
X10 SI COLL
X10 WILLOWBROOK
CANTRBURY AV
Is the s93 a limited version of the s53?
From FDNY:
Q27 LIMITED
QUEENS VIL
JAMAICA AV
QV DEPOT
NEW READING
Q27 LIMITED
FLUSHING
MAIN ST STA
QV DEPOT
NEW READING
- - - - -
Shouldn't the Q27 readings be for CS depot?
Unless the Q31 or Q46(formerly known as the Q44A)is being sent back to CS(More logical to send the 31 to CS actually)
I have a question:
Those depots that you put two in one line is that the way the reading is going to come out?
The reading is illustrated as written on the ppwk
As far as depots on one line---that was done for brevity ,only
QV-JA
or
QV
JA
no difference
OK Few comments
1. X82,85,86 Not being deleted from CAS and YUK??? - They are still on the Orions as my friend put them on last night.
2. LIRR is on SI buses too - not being Deleted from CAS and YUK?
3. X3/4 - VESEY Street????? ---- WTF --- VESEY is so packed already from all the buses that run down it already from QSC, Triboro, MTA (QM1, QM11, QM24, M9, M22, X15, X18, X20, X25, X90)
The X3/4 terminate now at Park Place I think - which is much better b/c of less traffic.
I wanted to have the X15/18/20 routed up there for the loop, then right onto Broadway, and then Left around the City Hall Park and back to regular route.
As far as I know, Queens Village isn't operating Q27 Limited service. Why does your material indicate it's out of QV?
Regarding the LIRR Shuttle signs, the codes don't work on most buses as it is.
I *still* haven't found the codes for "Coastal Storm Warning" and the like.
Coastal Storm
Evacuation Route
Code 9201
From http://www.geocities.com/NYCTBusMan2000/
It works on the 6XXX Orions and MCIs
I saw this bus on the B3 this morning. Orignally, i know the bus was refurbished with express seats and occasionally was on the express route,then got moved to local routes-then to Flatbush. I guess ULP is really short buses. Whats the update on those 9300's and 9400's from FLA-when are they going to UP?
UP has been running 9000 series soft seaters on the b3 all week
.........Fresh Pond misses you!
from Staten Island to Manhattn
From Amboy rd and Bedell St via Amboy Road,Bloomingdale Rd,Woodrow Road,Rossville Av,AK Rd,West Shore Expressway SI Xwy,Goethels Bridge
New Jersey Tpke Buses only lanes,to Bus Lanes,Lincoln tunnel to sign 36 st and South Dyer Av,,34 st,Madison Av,East 57 st,to Stand by 57 and 3 av
Manhattan to Staten Island
from East 57 and Park av via E 57 ,Lexington Av,23 St,Avenue C,East 18 st,to FDR SOuth Battery Park Underpass,West St,Brooklyn Tunnel ,Gowanus Expw,VZ Bridge,SIE ,West Shore Expwy ,AKRd ,Rossville Av,Woodrow Rd,Bloomingdale Rd,Amboy Rd to Stand
Last stop in NYC is Avenue C ,near side of 23 street
There are Pull outs to 57 st and to Amboy and Bedell
There are Run offs from Amboy and Bedell
and East 57 and 3 Av
There are Pulls in and Pull outs from Quill Depot
from East 57
to East 57 and Lexington
I found maps at work and are selling them here for any fan at BUSTALK that wants them. They are Manhattan and Queens Maps from 1993. The Queens map list a route called the Q86 route and pre-limited trips on the Q44 and when the Q20 ran from Flushing up to 14 Av.
The Manhattan Map also dated from 1993 lists the changes that occured on routes on 8th St(M13 on map-now the M8),96th St(M19 on the map-now the M96), the old M58 route(57th St-8th Av to 72nd St-York Ave) and the old M31 route(59th St-Lexington Av to 91st St-York Av). The map also lists the route of the X25,X90 and X92 route.
Best offer and the maps are yours. Email me at pingu45@aol.com if interested in these maps.
The Q86 was known as the Q5S(Rosedale Shuttle )until the day the Archer Ave Extension was opened.
What happened to the Q5AS and the Q44B?
The Q5AS was eliminated out right and the Q44B was renumbered the Q71 but was eliminated instead.
Staten Island to Manhattan
from Hylan Blvd and Craig Av,via Hylan Blvd,Craig Av,Amboy Road,Blooingdale Rd,Woodrow Rd,Rossville Av,AKRoad,West Shore ,SI ,Goethels Road,New Jersey Toke ,Buses Only,,Exclusive Bus Lanes, Lincoln Tunnel ,36 st and South Signage,Dyre Av,34 St,Madison Av,East 57 to stand at 3 Av
Manhattan to Staten Island
from 57 st and Park av
via 57 St ,Lexington Av,,23 st,Avenuye C,,east 18 st, FDR drive,Battery Park underpass ,West St,Brooklyn tunnel ,Gowanus Expressway ,VZ Bridge,,SIE,West Shore Expressway ,AKRD,Rossville Road,Woodrow Rd,Bloomingdale Rd,Amboy Rd,Craig Av,to Stop at Hylan Blvd
Last Stop in NYC is Av C,,near side of 23 st
There are pulls outs from Yukon Depot to Craig Av and to 57 S
There are run offs to Yukon Depot from Amboy and Craig and from East 57 and 3 Av
There are pullins from Quill Depot
from East 57 st and to 57 and Lexington
So evening runs run via Brooklyn? I don't know how wise that would be because Atlantic runs both ways via New Jersey. There isn't supposed to be competition between the two, but Bloomingdale to Foster is not that long of a walk.
from Flatbush and Dekalb via far side of Dekalb Av info L I U on Flatbush Av ,Flatbush Av,Manhatan Bridge,Bowery,Grand St,Chrystie St,to Stand
at Far side of Grand St (layover)
From Chystie St far side of Grand Av,via Chrystie st,Hester Street,Bowery ,Manattan Bridge,Flatbush Av,to drop off stop on Flatbush Av far side of Dekalb Av (no layover)
Turnaround via Lafeyette Av,Ashland Place,Fulton St,,Flatbush Av,to stand on Flatbush far side of Dekalb IFO LIU
Run to Flatbush and Dekalb via 36 st,,5 av,9 st,3 Av,Flatbush Av,to stand on far side of Dekalb ifo LIU
Run off rtips from Flatbush and dekalb via Flatbush ,3 Avenue,9 st,5 Av,36 st to the JACKIE GLEASON DEPOT
BRIDGE CLOSURE
BATTERY TUNNEL
to Grand St
via Flatbush Av,,,Tillary St,,Cadman Plaza West ,Court St,,Hamilton Av in to Tunnel ,,to Trinity Place,,bear irght
Trinity Place,Vessey St,Park Row,Chatham Square, Bowery,Grand St,,Chrystie St ,to stand
Return from Grand St
via Chrysite St,Hester St ,Bowery ,Chatham Square,,Park Row,Broadway ,,Battery Place,West St,Batery tunnel,,Hamilton Av,Smith St,,Jay St,Tillary St,,Right onto Flatbush Av,and regular
WILLIAMSBURG BRIDGE
VIA FLATBUSH AV,Tillary St,,Park Av,Classon Av, Kent Av, Broadway ,Haveymeyer st,Borinquen Pl,Bridge.Allen St,,Grand St,,Chrystie St,,far end of Grand St Stand
return via Chrystie St,,Hester St,,Bowery ,Delancey St,BRIDGE...Roebling St,,Broadway Exit,Broadway ,Kent Av,Williamsburg St West ,Park Avenue,Tillary St,,Left onto Flatbush av
Interesting, I didn't know that the path to/from the depot was predetermined for you.
a common practice with NYCT
Hi.
The The SEPTA Bus Photo and SEPTA Message Broad is now open. I put up some photos up and also a Message Broad on the site also. SO please join and post photos on there. And Messages too! Here's the URL to the site.
http://communities.msn.com/TheSEPTABusPhotosandSEPTAMessageBroad/
Hey, it's "Board", not "Broad". What the hell is a message broad, anyway? Well, anyway, next time, check the spelling. Well, your site is ok, fine. How about bustalkers choosing between your SEPTA site and MY site with 100+ photos, about 1/3 of them copntributed from Trevor, the rest from ME!!!!!!!!!! Oh, that'd be a fun day in the yard...
My Transit Page has ten members and has ten or more albums. I have a SEPTA Neoplan artic photo on my site. You might wanna check it out...
Well, the URL for the site is...
http://communities.msn.com/mytransitpage
New Photos in the following albums:
Transit MTA NYCT
NJ Transit
SEPTA Transit
CT Transit
MTA Long Island Bus/LIRR
Westchester County Bee Line
Long Distance Buses
Gray Line
NJ Private Operators
Private Operators of MD, VA
There is also a message board and an events list.
The site has been running since 2000 and has grown ever since.
Ten members, and possibly more if you guys check it out!
Thanks,
CWMTA
i have acouple of photos to post they.like the septa new flyer interior#5401 .
MESSAGE BROAD????
Who's this bitch and where can I meet her?
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
(All in good fun)
Opps my bad!
Today at Friendship Heights I saw Ride-On unit 015101, the first of their new order. It's an odd bus: it's got an International 3400 medium-duty truck cab and chassis with a shuttle-bus-type body on steroids mounted. The end result is a vehicle much bigger than the flimsy Ford van-based cutaways -- it's got the floor height, door openings, and ceiling height of a full-sized bus, but the appearance of a cutaway.
Does anyone know anything about these units? They seem like the passenger compartment would be slightly larger than that of an Orion II. This is the first I've seen -- it also has a slightly modified paint scheme incorporating black accents.
Chris
I saw #5503 the other day. The orange LED signs were MISSING!
I saw #5502 yesterday. It now has orange LED signs on the front, side, and BACK!
Yea, I live in the rockaways. Its normal
Will these bus routes show up on the bus map?
Ray
Yes. The NYCDOT replied in writing to potential applicants that they would ask the MTA to put them on the map. They probably will, considering that NYCDOT refers to the Atlantics as X23 and X24 instead of AE1 and AE2 as Atlantic did in the beginning.
Shouldn't it follow the convention used for the other "privates" and be called the SJM1 and SJM2 (or SBM, but I heard they go through Jersey)?
'SM' would follow better. THey don't make stops in Jersey or Brooklyn.
-Hank
Does the BQM1 make stops in Queens?
When did the TA start letting buses run via the NJTP from Mahatton the SI. I saw this about three week ago and forgot to ask.
Robert
Probably when they figured out that trying to run over the Gowanus Expressway to Manhattan was taking too long (as in longer than the ferry trip to Whitehall), which should have been only a few years ago (after the highway was rated one of the ten worst in the US).
Spoke to a driver this afternoon on the B-82 Kings Highway/Flatlands Avenue route.
He told me that the Brooklyn System Pick has been posted.
No changes on depot assignments.
He told me that in East New York most routes have had service added.
Thank You
Here's Proof!
To Me.....That Chinese Shit Doesn't Count!
The ONLY TRUE Flxibles were built in Delaware, OH! Nothing More, Nothing Less!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
don't forget Loudonville!
Damn right; Loudonville is where my favorite buses of all time, the New Looks, were built.
-F.
Reminds me of the simpsons episode with the chinese diswasher detergent...Mr. Sparkles looked like Homer, but was a combination of two products that looked like his head...
Ya they produce them there though I'd be carefull taking photo's there since the police there are nasty.
Anyway I was on one of mine cities ex Quebec GM Classics and as I look at who produced the seats, and guess who it was : Flxible made seats for Canadian Classics in Montreal.
No way! Really? That's interesting! Actually, they also made parts such as oil filters; our Gilligs here in Roanoke had Flxible filters on their 6v92s for years.
-F.
LOL!!! In the opinion of a true Simpsons fan, that is a GREAT comparo. I saw pictures of these Chinese Flxes that looked basically like the US version, but after a closer look at the site...what the hell is up with that back end? It has WAY longer overhang. Some of those other non-Metro "Flxibles" on there are just plain weird-looking, but that RTS-style thing at the top is interesting.
-F.
Yeah, but at least if you buy a certain number of Chinese Flixbles, they throw in a free 2-liter bottle of soda and extra white rice.
Everybody's Got Jokes! Don't forget they'll also throw in a plate of General Tso's Chicken once you hit the 20 bus marker!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Ah, damn Trevor...I just made a crack about General Tso. I should have read your post first so I wouldn't feel like a hack. For everyone who read my post, I meant to say Kung Pao Flx. There, I'm original again with my own ideas....whew! LOL.
-F.
-F.
LOL...in that case, I'll take a General Tso's Flxible...it's lunchtime, and I'm hungry as HELL right now!
-F.
P.S.: The frames there are made of fortune cookies; if they crack, you get good karma and it's not Grumman's fault...LOL.
I'm not amused.
Damn a Flx made in China? It must fall apart soon as it leaves the factory, just like everything else made in China LOL! However Chinese food is great.
Sheeeeeeit! Chinese Food is the Bomb-Diggity. I must eat chinese food like 4 times a week!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Lucky you. Send me some...maybe I can trade you a Flx model for it...LOL. Oh yes, and seal it tight with Overnight delivery...I refuse to eat stale Tso's.
-F.
Actually, I'm not sure about the build quality of these buses, but hopefully it is good if they are using the name so heavily. Maybe they will make a model of them as well? If so, I will be the first to restyle it into an American version. Believe me on that.
-F.
P.S.: You made me hungry for Chinese again; you must be getting kickback from our local restaurants...LOL.
Oh come on, it was a joke. I have been a Flx fan since birth!
-F.
All in all my LI Bus ride to Jones Beach today went very well. Got the 9:32am N21 out of Glen Cove, get off in Roslyn and a minute later an N20 pulls in (it was running late so I made the connection). I got to Hicksville at 10:20am and made the 10:30am JB50 to Jones Beach. I never took the JB50 before. The ride to the beach was quick, though we picked up alot of teenagers along the way. By Wantagh it was packed and SRO. Those teens were kinda loud, but they didn't litter like the migrants on the N21 route. The 300 series Orion did well along Wantagh parkway. It was a nice ride. I got to the main bus stop at 11:15am. After enjoying the nice cool sea breeze while the rest of ya were in the low 90s today I took the 2:30pm JB50 back to Hicksville. This was even more packed, with kids sitting on the rear steps. The driver had to ask them to move several times. Going back was 155, a Cummins and the pick-up on the parkway wasn't as good but still not terrible. The ride to Hicksville took 45 minutes. Even though it was packed, the ride was more enjoyable than here in the Northland, there wasn't much traffic and there's no hills. The JB62 to Freeport does run more often and less crowded, but I'd rather avoid the Freeport area if I have to. The JB50 should run more often though, since the buses were packed. I was suprised at just how many teens from Hicksville, Levittown, and Wantagh ride the bus. The teens here on the north shore all have cars, you rarely see teens ride the bus, only migrants. Guess everybody is to stuck up here on the north shore to ride the bus.
Appropriately riding the N21 home later on, I found an italian ice cup on my seat, luckily the strawberry ice did not get on my pants!
For those who do not know, the JB50 runs down Newbridge Road, N.Jerusalem Rd, Wantagh avenue, and Wantagh parkway. My old and always hometown.
Starting this Weekend and the next 3 Weekends after this Weekend. MFL would run Buses from 15 St to 69 St. The buses would run every 5-15 Minutes. Also Route 101 would run buses from Smedley park to Bowling Green would run buses.
Is there a stop on the 101 called Smedley Park? And if 101 have to run buses on Sunday. What buses would be use and from what Depot?
Also did SEPTA told every T/O's,B/O's,and Cashers about the Fare changes and DayPass Changes?
i have to side red arrow
Is there a stop on the 101 called Smedley Park? And if 101 have to run buses on Sunday. What buses would be use and from what Depot?
[I don't know of a stop called Smedley Park, but I can probably guess that ElDorados from Red Arrow will be used for the shuttle.]
Also did SEPTA told every T/O's,B/O's,and Cashers about the Fare changes and DayPass Changes?
[Fare bulletins to all employees were issued prior to the fare increase, so I would have to say that all operators know about the changes.]
there probady not enough eldorado's to go around to cover serivice on the 101
Hardly EVER Red Arrow uses ElDorados on Sundays. And 101 runs every hour on Sundays. I think the 110 runs ElDorados on Sundays.
yea.
btw i will add the new flyer pic
Yea what? The 110 do run ElDorados on Sundays?
Taday i seen buses from southern,frankford,and callowhill.om the evel
Is their a reason that the Q10a Only operates one way & 6 Am Rush Hour Trips from Kew Gardens/Forest Hills To Jfk Airport? Are there any other one way only lines?
Yes there are! The QM15, QM16, QM17, QM18 and the QM23
It an express bus to JFK!
Ray
actually, the 16 does i am trip+1 Pm trip. The 17 does 2 each way
Why is Q69 Free, and does the Hunters Point Ferry still operate.
I think the route was eliminated now that the Hunters Point Ferry was eliminated.
Why was it free? I was only a short shuttle bus from the ferry to the LIRR entry. It was free like the NY Waterways busses in Manhattan.
The Q69 sailed into the sunset along with the ferry.
Why was it free, because nycDOT said so ... I think it was part of the City's effort to try & stimulate another form of mass transit to get folks out of their cars. Installing bike racks was another (QSC still has 10 buses so equiped).
Mr t__:^)
450-459 have the bike racks in the front. Rode 451 last week on the Q25 and she had it.
#451 Q25
The buses with bike racks (450-459)are usually found on the QBx-1, especially the trips that go over the Whitestone Bridge.
Today, saw 8502 in service from Hudson.
Interesting to note that the HUDSON decal was in it proper place in the rear left, BUT ANOTHER one was placed under the MTA New York City Bus logo - on the white paint right above the front part of the left front wheel.
Now this reminded me of something. When I was younger and living in Brooklyn, used to take the bus every day for almost 2 years after my family had been in a car accident.
I distinctly remember a shield shaped emblem being below the driver's window on New Looks. Does anyone have any information on this?
I know what you are talking about. It kinda looks like a FDNY shield.
Ray
If memory serves, it indicated that the bus had a radio that the Operator could use to summon help if asked to do so by someone on the street.
David
It was 'Civilian Radio' something or other.
-Hank
It was aprogrom sponsered by Citibank, IIRC. Cabs had it too.
Peace,
ANDEE
Here's a pic of a bus with said logo
Peace,
ANDEE
'Civilian Radio Motor Patrol'!
I'm 99% sure!
-Hank!
I remember that decal. I know it was red, white and blue and yellow cabs had them too. There was an advertisement at the time also show both a yellow cab and a bus (fleet number no visible) and both drivers were using their radios.
Wayne
Is anyone else getting the SirCam virus in their email from the above address?
-Hank
no
A couple of my users got it last week. It's a nasty worm virus. Norton (Symantec) has a fix tool on their site that works. When I ran it the first time - it did find the virus, however I had to run the fix tool in safe mode to successfully remove SirCam. Both PC's were running Win '98SE.
Wayne
This Luke and I'm posting this message to ask if any fellow bus fans want to meet me in New York ? I already got a transit trip planned with fans in Los Angeles and San Jose.
The reason I'm asking aswell is I won't be able to return on Saturday on time for the GO Charter :(
If you like to meet me please contact me at: tl9@hotmail.com .
I'm going to bring Chicago Flyer and Flxible photo's, Ontario New Looks and lots more good photo's to shown anyone who would be interested in meeting me.
I going to be around on August 17, 18 (Phily),20, 21, Sept 1 & 2.
Luke
Subject say it all. The bus still had a Flatbush Sticker on it, when was it moved.
Robert
On Sunday, I was on a Peter Pan bus returning back from Boston, when along 9 Av in the 50s (I think it was 53 St, but I don't recall exactly), I spotted 1826 operating on the M-11. I was surprised to see a 1982 RTS still in local service (though I think 1826 is an express bus).
BTW, for those interested, I spotted a couple of Peter Pan J4500s heading north on I-95 in Connecticut, but I didn't get a chance to get the fleet numbers.
Aha, that bus has been tossed down to many depots, it's last residence I believe was Quill, where it was doing X90 and 92 runs...
I thought MTA-NYCT #1826 retire few months ago & was storage at Crosstown Storage Yard back in Feb or March. #1826 did ran Express on X90/92 at MJQ Depot for while before went to Hudson Pier Depot.
Peace
David Justiniano
Caught #8455 on the B16 today with FLA Stickers and saw #8457 on the B69 route on Thursday. I know both buses are FLatbush. Did Flatbush give up these buses to JG becasue they got the 5000's from ULP. If so, why arent the 9300's going to Ulmer Park as expected?
Nope. I spotted it on 9 Av at 53 St last Sunday. I double checked my notes, and I am positive it was 1826.
I was on bus 1751 on the Q46 today. Her a/c was pumping and was a great ride going up to Springfield Blvd. I didn't want to get off the bus I was that comfy. Next bus I got was 284 which had no number in the front-she just came back from being o/s. This bus sounds like a 200 6100 and a 500 all in 1. It was struggling to pick up speed down Springfield. Even took a detour-right on 93 Ave left on 217 St left on Jamaica Ave and left us off where Q36 leaves and picks up. Got my lunch and was time to head back. Got repowered 304 Q27 which was much better and faster than 284. However the a/c was not that great on her. Also she has her original numbers on the inside panel. 628 was right in front of me. I knew it was going to the Q75 so I took 304 to 73 Ave and got 628 which was a bit of a rough riding-especially in the rear axle. Still the seats made the bus comfy.
Then it was time to get the Q46 to get to work-had bus 8359 which had no pickup whatsoever. No wonder why the 8300s are getting repowered. 8376 was sluggish on the Pike today too.
If there are more Suburbans around-I'll let you know tonight.
PS LIRR Shuttle 619 630 4597 and 4598.
#1751 Q46 Keep rollin rollin rollin
#628 Q75
#304 Q27
Saw #233 broke down with "tinker truck" on scene near Hillside and NHP road in New Hyde Park. And #320 ran out of gas in Great Neck.
The buses do not like the north shore.
But the bus I rode on the N25, #125 ran fine and the A/C was cold, about 66 degrees.
I seem to remember some time back (between 1995 and 1997) having to deal with some ticket nonsense at Baltimore's Travel East Plaza. The people at the ticket window would insist on placing some sort of numbered sticker on your bus ticket which dealt with the order in which people boarded certain schedules (e.g. "#5" would mean if there are 10 people waiting to board the same bus, you'd be 5th in line). This was a big headache for somebody having to travel back to CT who had never heard of such a policy. About the only thing close to this would be when a Concord Trailways employee marks a ticket for the weekend travelers heading from Portland, ME to Boston's South Station (since they occasionally need to pull up a second bus). Has anybody else put up with this? I'd love to know! :<
I remember a couple of years ago, when I had to take Martz Trailways from New York to Scranton, I went through the same thing, although the sticker number didn't neccesarily indicate boarding number like you described it.
Now that UP depot has the MCI's, i see some of the Express Novas in local service. Does anyone know which lines most of them would be on?
On Friday 8/3/2001 while i was doing operation planning on B44 & i saw few Express Novas Buses ran on B3, B4 & B36 local.
Peace
David Justiniano
Last Sunday, I rode the Q-35 from Nostrand/Flatbush Ave to Rockaway Park. Rode bus# 637.
How old is this bus, I heard it was ex-Command Bus Corp.
Bill "Newkirk"
Green has several 1986/87 RTS buses from Command. I'm sure someone has the old/new numbers. The ex-Commandos are readily identifiable by the fact that they are 96" wide, as opposed to 102".
Jamaica Buses' 571-584 are also ex-Commands--yes they, too, are 96" wide.
Mark
Last night there was a shooting on a Greyhound Bus pulling into the Port Authority. The Daily News wants people to think the shooting took place inside the building. It seems like the whole event took place as the bus was pulling into the gate.
Does anyone know how Greyhound handles saftey? Trains have conductors that are in charge of things. The bus driver has to drive the bus.
What are the policies if something happens on one of those buses?
http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-08-04/News_and_Views/Crime_File/a-120690.asp
Greyhound don't know what saftey means. They dont even have radios on their buses. During a breakdown the driver has to hike to the nearest payphone.
1. do anybody here have any pictures of the neoplan #3414.
Hello everyone; just got back from the Virginia State Roadeo. This year was a special treat as it was hosted at Blacksburg Transit; both 35 and 40ft. New Flyer LFs were used. It was hot as the dickens outside but lots of fun; the food was great, and it was a real experience. I pulled double duty at the Right Turn and Serpentine; watching two buses go around the cones at the same time was a real challenge, but I pulled it off!
I also got to drive one of the 40' LFs this afternoon; usually when I drive a bus (i.e. a Gillig or Flx) and leave in my car, it feels like I am driving a Viper even when I am in a four-door sedan; everything feels low to the ground and I can feel the road in a very grippy fashion. Strangely enough, for the first time in my life it didn't feel that way today. There must be something carlike about those New Flyers!
-F.
As of Saturday 2 hybrids were parked in the body repair bay, 6354 and 6356 from Manhattanville. Perhaps these are the first two to be tested at the depot. I know future plans call for hybrids to be assigned to Clara Hale as reported to me by a Superintendent from maintainence.
Buses #6354-6356 (that does include 6355) are at MCH. These three buses are slated to hit the M1 and M7 lines Monday morning. This was handed down to me by Operations. This is in prep for the Orion 07.501 (VII) Hybrid order which will be placed into MCH service upon delivery. Eventually 6350-6353 and 6357-6364 (Yes the RTS Hybrids) will join the MCH fleet. Manhattanville will become a CNG operation and Mother Clara will be the Hybrid Operation.
There is NO slated Orion VIIs for Queens Village service for those who had that information.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Trevor Logan writes:
{snip}
"There is NO slated Orion VIIs for Queens Village service for those who had that information."
Personally, I would tend to take the word of the Queens Division General Mamager over another of your memo's, Trevor.
What about one of the high-ups in Operations planning at Livingston?
Decisions about bus assignments are made by the Department of Buses.
David
Which is exactly where I got that info saying, NO HYBRIDS AT QV. SO HA!
All my info comes from DOB.....Any questions??????
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Trevor writes:
"Which is exactly where I got that info saying, NO HYBRIDS AT QV. SO HA!"
"So ha"? That's pretty childish behavior, Trevor. I seriously doubt that you had a discussion with him anyway.
There is no competition on who has better information. I've seen a few posts from you in the past that were in error. As I said, personally, I would listen to the words of the QDGM, rather than your memo. There was nothing in that statement personally against you, but rather I question your source. You take things too personally.
In any event, it is possible that NYCT has changed their agenda. I'll inquire about the status of Hybrids next time I see him. Until then, I'm satisfied that QV will receive the HE buses in the near future, regardless of your post.
"All my info comes from DOB.....Any questions??????"
Well no. My questions are directed to the NYCTA Queens General Manager. Thanks anyway, though.
I wouldn't be so confident about "No Orion VII's at QV".
Mark
Well I just heard something like 65 of them, BUT NOT in the first order which is what everyone is thinking. MCH will have the first batch.
Trevor
You've made it sound like QV isn't getting any at all. Both you and I know that is not true. A total of 60 Hybrids are slated for "The Ville". Work has not yet begun to prep QV for hybrids, so MV will retain their remaining Orion VI's (6350-6353, 6357-6359).
Mark
Mothers Hale's hybrids are at the depot but are not on the road as of yet. There's the matter of training the operators on this equipment, wheelchair lifts, tie downs, etc.
They are still sitting at the body repair bay.
Ah, ok, cool, I'm guessing like when Manhattanville got the Hybrids, a select few will be qualified on the buses first (mostly seniority people).
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
6360 spotted on m5 yesterday. i believe that route comes out of mch.
The M5 is a Manhattanville route.
Thank You
Actually I was an operator in MTV in 1998 when the hybrids first arrived training was strictly on a volunteer basis. After several months however it was mandatory to get qualified because many operators were refusing to take the bus at relief points. I never had the luck of operating a hybrid because at the time there was only two or three.
On a side note, the three Orions that were loaners at Mother Hale were returned yesterday to Amsterdam depot. I think the numbers were 441, 447 and 47 something.
Probably 470
Ray
TransiTALK 2nd Annual Field Trip
Manhattanville Bus Depot
Tour the Manhattanville Bus Depot in the Manhattan Division and possibly learn about the Hybrid Systems currently being pushed in the MTA. There will be a lunch stop, and the second half will include a photo session along the Bronx-end of the (1) Line.
If you are interested or want to RSVP for a spot, e-mail tlogan@transitalk.com.
Trip Cost: Your MetroCard (Get a Fun Pass)
Date: August 11th, 2001
Meeting Time: 9am
Meeting Place: Northbound 72nd Street Subway Platform (1 Train), Front End
Trip Goodies: So far we have gotten 6360 reserved for the tour. So those that haven't seen this beauty of a Hybrid. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE!
Lunch Stop will be at a dinner up at Van Cortlandt, There is also a Pizza shop there for those that aren't in the dinner mood!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Ops Diner!
Trevor
trevor... it's a good thing you corrected the spelling... i was getting ready to flame you...
hope you all have fun on the trip... paul
Don't feel bad, in Pennsylvania where I currently live, whole sections
of the state think the proper spelling is "dinor"!
Ok - Few items.
1. The 20 MCIs slated to come for the end of the year, will they be numbered 2805-2824? or 2210-2229? Or a completey different number pattern?
BTW - I personally think the 2705-2804 should be re-numbered 2140-2239 and 2140-2209 be re-numbered 2240-2309. Concerning RTS 2270 - STILL at YUK - leave it as 2270 But start using the PA2270 again.
2. With rumors of 350+ more MCIs to come (with 20 for November), what would be the placement?
I think the Queens division might get 150 for the X51,63,64,68, and X32 (make this a direct connection to Manhattan).
Brooklyn (UP) get 50 More to replace the NOVAs
Manhattan (Quill) get 50 for X90/92 as they have like 15 Novas and 15 Remans right now.
SI get the remaining 80. - for CAS to replace the Orions.
Now what to do with the Suburban Coaches (Orion and RTS)? I say keep them for the LIMITEDs.
3. If Queens gets MCIs for X51 - wouldn't there be a height problem for the Queensboro Bridge?????
Well, the MTA is expecting 356 new buses and I don't know there numbers BUT Queens will definitely get some MCI buses. All Queens express routes will get them and there is no height restriction on the QB bridge because I've seen these types of buses on the lower level of the bridge from Manhattan to Queens. The majority will go to Staten Island for the NEW X21 and X22 bus routes and the Yukon Depot will become the first ever MTA NYCT Express Bus Depot!!! Right now, the S55, S56, S61, S79 and S91 are the only local routes from Yukon. Quill may not get them, Ulmer Park might get a few more but Queens and Staten Island will get some. I think out of 356, 300 may go to Staten Island. Queens would get 30 (10 for QV, Jam and CS) I do not think CS will get MCI's for some reason. And maybe 26 more for Ulmer Park.
Ray
Ok - If SI was to get 300, YUK would have almost 500-600 of them and where would they be kept???
First of all, Yukon would not get ALL 300 of them. Probably, 150-200 to Yukon and the rest to Castleton. Second of all, those Orions at Yukon would go to Castleton. Maybe I'm wrong BUT I'm thinking about the NEW X21 and X22.
Ray
I understand that with the transfer of the Orions and RTSs - but YUK already has almost 250 MCIs, CAS has almost 100 - if YUK becomes all Express - then the transfer of approx 100 MCIs from CAS and additional 300 - Close to 600 MCIs.
With the existing routes, and the new X21/22, there will be a lot of extra buses - UNLESS more routes are planned.
Also, in response to the QB Bridge - the X51 I rode went on the outer upper roadway, and I forget how high the clearance was when we went under an overpass.
They do that because:
1. The consturction at the Skillman Av Bridge.
2. Super Express service
3. I was on the X68 from Manhattan and I used the lower level ALL the time. I was buses 1761, 1762 and even 1767.
Ray
No, no, no. Castleton will still operate express bus service. X10, X11, X12, X13, X14, X16, X18 and X20. They will operate those routes. Maybe Yukon may get the X10 since they have the X1 and X17 which also runs on the weekends.
Ray
Remember the extra parcel of land in Charleston? Expect that to be a holding lot for most of the X21 and X22 equipment, with major servicing done at Yukon. They are sure running out of space around the mall.
I have some room in my apartment of course i would have to move out my wife and two children but no problem i will git the two floors out to make room for 20 MCI's sorry just kidding.
What parcel? THe land isn't even GRADED.
-Hank
Well I was driving around Tottenville over the weekend and I came across a former factory site - it's right behind the Lucent Facility off of Page avenue - would be perfect for a depot/storage lot - The SIRT is right adjacent to the property and the Atlantic or Nassau Stop is there too.
If this, along with Charleston, 4 Depots - more storage - more routes - 350+ MCIs
That IS the Lucent site. It's also potentially a superfund site, since it was previously a smelter. It's still privately owned. It's also extremely out of the way for express buses, since there are only 4 routes (2 currently) that come within 2 miles of it.
-Hank
The 350 additional MCIs are only a rumor. The only order on the books is for 20 (as mentioned in "EnginMA6903"'s post), and I have heard no talk (outside of this board) of more.
David
I'm sure the Transit Authority will take into account your wishes on their fleet numbering requirements.As for 350 more x-buses: Not a chance. There aren't that many Nova and Orion coaches left, and they won't be increasing the service that much.
-Hank
actually nyct did plan to buy 356 mci buses in 2002-2003. this is/was documented on their website in the capital plan. whether they will still do this is unknown. if so most of these would go to queens. as far as storage nyct will again use the arthur kill road turnaround as of 8/27/01. until the 20 mci buses arrive expect the rest of the orion coaches to be reactivated. as of today 126, 129 and 142 sit idle at yukon with 132 recently back from edgewater.
Read it again: that was 104 buses in 2000 (which seem to have come in) and 252 in 2003.
David
Saw this one this morning at South Ferry.
It has been repainted - with the rear doors being white.
However, has some interesting stickers.
It has the OLD sticker for the fare being $1.50 on the Outside as well as the BLUE Metrocard logo.
Any reason why?
Hello to all.
I need to know some info about the QBx1 bus between Pelham Bay Park and Flushing. I will be doing this trip on a weekday. If anyone knows this info, please e-mail me using the link above or post on BusTalk.
1. Who operates the route? Does it accept MetroCard Gold? What is the operator's website (if not the MTA)?
2. Where can I obtain a schedule? How often do buses run?
3. Where does this bus pick up passengers in the Bronx for Queens? Where does it let them off once in Flushing?
Okay, calm down. The QBX1 is operated by the Queens Surface Corporation (Orange buses). The first stop is on Main St between Roosevelt Av and 39th Av (right behind the Q66---another Queens Surface bus). QBx1 bus run about every 15-20 minutes BUT keep in mind that they travel across the Whitestone Bridge so that means traffic! They accept Metrocards because the other bus lines besides the MTA do as well. I was on the Q25 bus (another Queens Surface bus) and they accepted my gold STUDENT metrocard. However, if you bring a bike---it will probably cost more. The schedules should be on the buses. The first/last stop in the Bronx is in Co-op City. This should help.
Ray
Bicycles are ONLY accepted from the last stop in Queens to the first stop in Manhattan or vice-versa, at least the map says so.
It costs no more to take a bike.
If riding from Pelham Bay Park, BE CAREFUL, some busses run through Co-op City. There are three bus stops at Amendola Plaza (under the 6 terminal) stand near the one marked for Flushing.
I forgot this:
www.qsbus.com
Hi
If you need routing info ,of any kind,,please contact me
Steve
914 329 7489
Question #3 - Answer.
The QBx1 operates like any other local route. I think Pelham Bay is probably one of the best places to catch it. The QBx1 interescts many Bronx bus routes on it's way to Flushing. In Flushing it discharges at Main Street and 39th Ave.
Wayne
Hello, BusTalkers. Allow me to visit you from SubTalk and let you know that I have just posted some photos on my homepage from a trip I took to Boston and the Seashore Trolley Museum, which includes a couple of shots of the buses they have at STM. You'll have to help me out with these bus models, 'cause I have no idea what I'm looking at here! :O)
Go to Keystone Pete's Trolley Photos and follow the links, or view them right here:
"Fish Bowl"? and ?? behind it...
Trackless Trolley
Cheers, all!
Sure thing; the yellow bus is a Boston "T" GM Fishbowl (BTW, I will be doing models of this one in both Corgi and 1:64 scale soon if anyone is interested), and the one beside it is a GM Old Look. The green one below looks like a Mack but I am not sure. Hope that helps!
-F.
P.S.: Here are some more great museum bus photos at Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum:
www.arcticboy.com/buses/savebus.html
The green one below looks like a Mack but I am not sure.
It's a Marmon Harrington trackless.
Where at SLTM were they ? When I was there last Labor Day weekend they had Boston MTA Fishbowl 6169( usually driven by Todd Glickman ) and an old NJ Public Service old look K-514(IIRC),
For more information contact Todd Glickman at radio88 @ radio88.net.
He is an active contributor to Sub-Talk. I think he'll answer you.
I was thinking that maybe we could makes BusTalk a bit more interesting. How about a Pop Quiz to test your knowledge. Now, there are no prizes but everyone who plays is a winner. Now, it's just an idea, if you guys do not like this then no problem BUT I'll post some hard questions if you guys agree. Here's a question:
In Queens, this bus route was so nice-------they named it 5 times for 5 different routes. Name that bus route in Queens.
HINT: The last route out of five was discontinued in 1997.
The only one I could think of is the Q5 and all of it's variants as well as Q44.
Wayne
Q44: Q44, Q44A, Q44B, Q44FS, Q44VP.
Q44 is still running today on Main St ever since who knows when Q44 started. Q44A is now Q46. Q44VP stoped running by 1990 I think. Q44FS became Q20 then now it's Q20A and Q20B. And Q44B was Q74.
Q44VP stoped running by 1990 I think. Q44FS became Q20 then now it's Q20A and Q20B. And Q44B was Q74.
WRONG. Q44VP became the Q74, the Q44B was eliminated.
The 44 has ben operating since around 1939-1940. The VP (now the 74), used to run all the way to the bronx or at ;east main and roosevelt at one time. I will have to dig out my copy of Motor Coach Age from whatever year that was. It was then cut back to Jewel avenue, then extended to the college as it is now. I think it used to hang a right at reeves and only in about the last 20 years or so has it used horace harding.
I beleive the 44B was to be numbered the 71 if it had survived until the renumbering blitz.
Just to add about the Q44, it had once been operated by the North Shore Bus Company prior to the city taking over the route along with many of the other northeast Queens routes.
[In Queens, this bus route was so nice-------they named it 5 times for 5 different routes. Name that bus route in Queens.]
I think that's the Q5 "family" of routes...
Q5 - Merrick Blvd
Q5A (now part of Q85)- Merrick/Conduit
Q5AB (now part of Q85) - Merrick/Bedell
Q5AS (long gone) - the old Laurelton Shuttle
Q5S (later Q86, now gone) - the old Rosedale LIRR shuttle
BTW, the suffixes were a classic way of "piggybacking" - starting a totally new route as a "branch" of an existing route to avoid seeking a new franchise.
This could be a tie. Looks like both the Q44 and the Q5 each had 5 different routes with the same name 5 times.
And the tiebreaker goes -- Q5. Because there's no 5 in Q44.
Michael
Wait! "Q" is the 17th letter of the alphabet. 17+4+4=........25.
25 is 5 five times!
OK, so I'm stretching it a bit but what a coincidence.
In the same lot where I saw the ex PA shuttle bus with the WLIR call letters, I also saw two slopeback RTS buses. They were in plain white livery, no plates, but they did have American Airlines lettering on the back of one of them. Maybe they were used as courtesy buses or some kind of employee shuttle. I don't know. They seem to be roadworthy.
You didn't say where this was....Was it the back lot at Belmont?
No, this was somewhere in West Babylon near the Harran depot.
i was riding on a bus out of the port authority this morning around 8 am... things were slow going through the tunnel and down right slow heading toward the turnpike entrance... the inbound express bus lane was in operation... what seemed to be backing things up was a long line of njt buses leaving the parkway right near the turnpike entrance... i've seen this before and i assume the buses were going out of service into a nearby parking area...
i was just wondering whether it usually back-ups bad around 8:15- 8:30??
I noticed that "TA control numbers" are in the windshield below the right windshield wiper. I understand the concept of block number. In Washington, DC the block number is four letters and/or numbers. The first character is a letter representing the bus's division. The next three characters are the primary route number (there is interlining) and the sequence of the bus in the block, e.g. first, second, third, etc. This is helpful to traffic checkers because some routes, e.g. Wisconsin Avenue, are served by two divisons, Western and Southeastern.
There's no division indicator in NY's block number. Does this mean there isn't interlining and that only one garage services a particular route so that block 02 on the M11 route means it could only be one garage. (M11 could be serviced by more than one depot.)
I look forward to the responses.
Michael
Longing to retire to New York
[There's no division indicator in NY's block number. Does this mean there isn't interlining and that only one garage services a particular route so that block 02 on the M11 route means it could only be one garage. (M11 could be serviced by more than one depot.)]
On NYC Transit's buses, that's a "run" number (specifying the driver) rather than a block number (specifying the block of trips).
On dual-depot routes, one of the depots is considered "primary" (runs numbered 001-099) and the other is "secondary" (runs numbered 101-199). For example, route Q32 has about 45 runs and is operated by Casey Stengel Depot (001 thru 024) and Hudson Pier Depot (101 thru 121).
Yes, there IS interlining, usually in the form of a run on one route making an isolated trip on another route (e.g. several M104 runs return northbound as M101 instead of deadheading). In Brooklyn, some interlined runs include a first half on one route and a second half on another. If you see TWO X27s, and both are marked as run 10, one of them is run 10 on some other route.
Complicating matters even further, but ONLY in the Queens and Staten Island Divisions, are the "Miscellaneous" runs, which are defined as interlined runs of either type mentioned above. (For example, suppose that an isolated Q5 trip is added to a run on the Q42. That run is no longer assigned to the Q42; it becomes Miscellaneous and is numbered in the 300's.)
Miscellanoeous runs run rmapant in SI. Like 200 misc runs between the 2 depots. Any body have exact misc #'s for s SI?
Name the private bus companies that operated in Nassau County prior to the creation of MSBA. For extra credit, name the routes they operated. (Since some of the routes are gone, use the current LI BUS routes).
Michael
I can think of a couple:
Hempstead Bus Company
Jeruslam Bus Lines (Company)
Rockville Centre Bus Lines
Mid-Island Transit
Hicksville Bus Lines
That's about it!
Ray
Also - Bee Line Bus
Hendrickson Bus (thanx to Joe Saitta's post # 36074)
I think Joe Saitta should be the judge in the event of a tie.
I forgot about the Bee Line's
Thanks for reminding me.
Ray
I never heard of Hicksville Bus Lines. I wonder if the writer is thinking of another company.
You're missing two major companies. I'll give you the routes, you give me the names.
Company #1
Today's N70,71,72 Hempstead-Levittown-Bablyon
N73,N74 Hicksville-Wantagh
Company#2
Today's N21 Flushing to Hicksville
Michael
Company #1 - Massapequa Bus lines or Wantagh Bus Lines?
Company #2 - North Shore Bus libes?
Ray
And the correct answers are
Company #1
STAGE COACH LINES (Also operated Wantagh-Jones Beach)
Company #2
I'm probably mispelling it
Shenck,Schenck, or Schenk
A true test would be to line up the companies with the current routes
on the LI Bus Map.
As a start:
Bee Line: N1, N2, N3
Hempstead: N40, N41, N45 (They ran more routes. I don't have the
map in front of me)
Jerusalem Avenue: N54, N55 (Also ran a Massepequa Park Loop) and
Roosevelt Field to Jones Beach via Merrick Road)
Mid-Island Transit: N80, N81 (Also Hicksville to Jones Beach via Hicksville Road and Massapequa RR Station) Also Hicksville to Walt Whitman Shopping Center via Old Country Road or Syosset
Rockville Centre Line: Hempstead to Rockville Centre
Schenk (or however you spell it) Flushing to Hicksville
That's all I can remember now.
P.S. I forgot the name of the Suffolk County bus company that operated Patchogue to Freeport via Merrick Road
I only moved to Suffolk County in 1976 so I'm not too sure on the answer but here are some possiblities that I recall.
1 - Louis Fuocco Bus Lines (hope I got the spelling correct )- had a route in the Patchogue area before the formation of Suffolk Transit.
2 - Babylon Transit - I seem to remember that they are/were tied into Intercounty Motor Coach (an A.C. and Charter operator)
If these are the company - hopefully they will jog your memory.
Where or where is Joe Saitta when you need him ??????
At a airshow in cape cod a SUV was going at 300mph then it crashed but the driver of the SUV survived.
WOW! How did that person Survived?
He just walked out of the SUV!
Hmm...it's good they survived but let's file them under the "More Money Than Brains" section. On that note, how about a jet-powered bus? With the larger size there may a better chance of stability, particularly if an airfoil is applied...
-F.
Good morning
I know there are a few MTA or NYCT people here,,can anyone assist me in obtaining an UPDATED Sign Listing
.
I did see the Site from the fellow BusMan,or Shaun----his site is obsolete--(Example no Q20A Q20B)
Thank you
Steve
another example is the Bx25---Missing
I have written to the person who created the site,,3 times,,,and he has ignored my assistance.
---I am trying to help him !!!!
Steve
914 329 7489
i noted 20a and 20b also and told him - no answer
20a 20b BX25,,i am updating the list
http://community-1.webtv.net/SMOKIECAT/
I am revising it ,,to Sept 2001
--also,,i am leaving out the codes,,
His material is from 98/99 only
I have already changed it to reflect January 2000
There are numerous changes with the bx5 bx12 also
I have written to him ,,,three times,,to offer assistance or help ,,he has failed to answer me ,totally
Congradulations to M4, Gotham Bus Co. and Wayne Johnson on the correct answer. It's the Q5. I forgot about the Q44 BUT noQ44 route was discontinued in 1997. The Q5s (Q86) was the last route of the Q5 family to retire. The Q44B was to be the Q71 but was dicontinued in 1990? (Somebody confirm that). Thank you to ALL the people for playing. I assumed that you guys like this. Again, if you guys want me to stop----please say so BUT say it nicely!
Anyways, if you guys enjoyed that then here's the next question:
The Bx21 terminates at Mott Haven and E 138th St in the Bronx. Back in 1975 until about 1985 the Bx21 use to terminate someplace else. Where was that termination?
HINT: It was in Queens! (Can't tell you where or the question is worthless).
[The Bx21 terminates at Mott Haven and E 138th St in the Bronx. Back in 1975 until about 1985 the Bx21 use to terminate someplace else. Where was that termination?
HINT: It was in Queens! (Can't tell you where or the question is worthless).]
AHA!! This one digs up the OLD Bx21, which was discontinued some time prior to the mass renumbering of February 1984. It started its life as part of the New York Omnibus Company's "TB" route, which was eventually split into three branches:
- Bx21 from Jackson Avenue & 138th Street in the Bronx to 24th Avenue & 37th Street in Astoria;
- M34 from 125th & Lexington to Wards/Randalls Islands;
- M35 from 125th & Lexington to 24th Avenue & 37th Street in Astoria, directly.
At one point (maybe the same time the Bx21 was killed?), the M34 and M35 were combined into a single route from Lex to Astoria via Wards/Randalls Island.
Basically, the old M34 is the current M35, and the old M35 (extended at both ends) is the current M60.
BTW, a silly question: Why would two routes have ended at 24th Avenue & 37th Street? It has nothing to offer except a small triangular park and some houses (who owners kept removing the "Bus Stop" sign in order to park their cars).
Ah! You got the right answer and some. Congradulations!!
You are two for two! Next question will be posted later.
Ray
24 av - 37 street queens
Congradulations! You and Gotham Bus Co. got the right answer. Another quiz on the way this afternoon.
Ray
I saw an interesting sight last night, on both the X90/92 out of Quill.
TMC RTS 8209 was on X90, with P/R EXPRESS and X90 Yorkville
TMC RTS 8229 was on X92, with P/R EXPRESS and X92.
Regular hard seaters.
If Quill is having problems, send them the 3800s from Edgewater that are sitting there, until it's SCRAP time.
1.Are they repowered?
2.What's P/R mean?
Ray
No not repowered.
They are local hard seaters.
P/R is the Public Relations sign, which in this case was EXPRESS
Thank you.
Ray
Thats funny running hard seaters in express service. On the B3 it seems half the busses running are nova soft seaters
Anyone know why Quill used these 2? Did something Happen?
Maybe they did a switcheroo. They had an Express Bus that broke down and they swapped for a local which was the only bus available in the yard at that time. Also may be the fact that it makes only 1 trip up and goes back to the yard. Only other reason would be that the driver requested the bus.
#8229 X90
They did that at Queens Village a few times. On the X68, I remember seeing two locals at different days. One was bus 8370 around 1996 and the other was 9354 around 1999.
Ray
Maybe no soft seaters had working air conditioning.
Passed by South Ferry last night on X15, and saw the line for the car boat of the SI Ferry.
Interesting in that I saw a TNT Transportation (Vanhool I think) waiting with people aboard the bus to get on the car boat.
Is this allowed?
Why doesn't the MTA do this?
Yes, it is allowed. TNT is running one bus. MTA would be running several buses and the timing is about the same.
Yesterday, on NPR I heard a discussion of public transportation which included mention of a Brazilian demonstration project using buses to do the job of light rail. I did not catch the name of the city involved, but it is in the Southern part of Brazil.
Here are some of the interesting facts that were stated.
The buses run on a dedicated busway, with some control over traffic signals where there are crossing streets. There are limited stops.
The buses load at platforms which are the height of the floor of the bus to speed entry and exit. All fare control is on the platforms so the operator does not have to check fares.
The buses are 80' long double articulated coaches made by Volvo. They have at least four double wide doors along the length of the bus, and had what was described as "subway seating." I assumed they meant perimeter seating. The capacity of each coach is 275 passengers, but it was stated that in United States it would probably be lower, presumably because we would not pack people in so tightly.
Because the bus operator was not involved with fares, when he pulled into a station he would open all the doors and passengers could enter and exit from any door. That and having the platforms level with bus floor greatly decreased the time spent at stops.
I am not sure what the power plant is. There was discussion of electromagnetic induction from a source below the busway, but I am not sure whether that is what is being used, or was a possible future source of power.
It was stated that performance was almost as good as a light rail line with far lower capital costs.
Has anyone else heard of this?
Tom
Wasn't there an experiment with this a few years ago in NYC with a Bus Shelter and fares paid already. I think I may have an article on this home.
You're correct. About 5 years ago down at South Ferry a Bus Station was erected and a Brazilian built bus ran as a shuttle around the financial district. I believe the drivers were MTA but I don't know what depot they came out of.
It's Curitiba; the buses are diesel powered, so they were probably discussing a possible future improvement. Interestingly enough, even with a fleet of 2,000 diesel buses and one of the highest rates of private auto ownership in Brazil, Curitiba's air is among the cleanest in Brazil. Farebox recovery is almost 100%.
New York's experiment was largely based on Curitiba, but that's all I know about it.
Ah yes. This is the much-famed Bus Rapid Transit system in Curitiba, Paraná, Brzail, a city of about 2 million people 100-150 miles SW of Rio de Janeiro.
Curitiba's system is excellent for that city, but now, all too many US cities are looking to directly transplant the Curitiba design onto their own streetscapes. Currently, where I live, there is a serious plan to establish eleven BRT routes using all the features seen in the Curitiba system.
BRT is becoming so popular because it is somewhat more flexible than Light Rail or Heavy Rail and is considerably less expensive to construct.
The basic elements of the Curitiba system include:
* Reserved Lanes for buses which are set between general traffic lanes of regular city streets
* Platform Boarding Tubes which sport platforms level with the entry level of the buses
* Prepaid Fares meaning that all fare collection is handled upon entering the boarding tube
* Signal Prioritization set to work with the buses
* Special Buses which are bi-articulated and have five doors on each side which align with the platforms
* Frequent Service usually no less frequent than every three minutes
Of course, there are many ways to vary this system.
I think that the Curitiba concept is excellent, but it has attracted a lot of fanfare by people who only look at half the picture. For instance, there are only five or six BRT corridors in all of Curitiba. Outside of those, there is extensive use of more traditional express and local buses. Furthermore, all of the high-density corridors raditate outward from the central city, a major no-no in present-day American transit planning (in all but a very few cities.) I could go on about this. People here in Detroit think that a few BRT routes will be the panacea to cure all of our many transit woes. Don't even get me started...
The history behind Curitiba's BRT system is particularly interesting. In the early 1970s, Curitiba was growing rapidly, but not nearly as rapidly as its auto use was growing. The government was all set to start construction on a new freeway, which would have, in American fashion, obliterated several neighborhoods in the city. On the night before the first demolitions were to start, the mayor of Curitiba organized his communities to stage somewhat of a sit-in in their neighborhoods. This prevented construction of the freeways, and a few years later, the money was reallocated to construct the BRT system.
Today, although Curitiba boasts one of the highest automobile ownership rates in South America, the transit system enjoys an unprecedented 65-70 percent market share for travel around the city. The BRT system is not at all a demo project in Curitiba; it is a vital part of the transit system and it attracts transportaion scholars from around the world.
I have to go now, but please post any more questions regarding Curitiba and/or Bus Rapid Transit here; I shall try to answer all of them...
>>> Curitiba's system is excellent for that city, but now, all too many US cities are looking to directly transplant the Curitiba design onto their own streetscapes <<<
Thanks for the information. It allowed me to search the web for more information. Among the things I found was this rather more critical evaluation by a pro light rail group.
Tom
Yes. The city is....Curitiba.
I wanted to know if I could chat with you guys via AOL Instant Messager (if you guys have it). This way I do not have to worry about waiting for a response. Most of you have my e-mail address. It's RAY1121MTA@aol.com. Put me on your buddy list. I'll put you guys on mine BUT I need your screen names to do so. This way we can chat about the buses of New York City. I'll understand if you guys decline.
Ray
AOL IM NAMES. I don't know if i can be much help to your questions, but My Dad is a B/O for Queens Village Depot. If u wanna im me i have several names
A 8AV FULTON EXP
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I DO HAVE MORE BUT THEY ARE FOR AVOIDING CERTAIN PEOPLE SO I DON'T WANNA GET CRAZY HERE. IM ME ANYTIME I AM ON
These are AOL screen names?
Ray
If you have none then it's okay. I do not need other screen names from your friends. Thanks anyway.
Ray
PATKYLEKENNY
This is an AOL screen name? Just making sure.
Ray
ntwrkguy2000
Yes it's AIM/AOL.
Thank you, I put you on my list! I'll be in touch.
Ray
Everyone, I would like to thank you for your screen names. Someone told me to just click on the screename and type there name onto my list. At first I said sure BUT I figured to keep myself a good person and ask everyone who has an AOL screen name if I could put them on my list. A few said yes but I do not want to scare anyone. Everybody knows Raymond-----hell everybody loves Raymond! (I know--corny) Anyways, thanks again to all. If you want me to contact you by IM then just let me know.
Ray
P.S. Does anybody know what depot the B99 will come from? I know the B45 from East New York, B65 and B71 from Jackie Gleason. This is in relation to the Manhattan Bridge construction.
Go ahead IM if u want,The more fellow BTer's the better.Plus about blocking u this morming when u IM'ed me I was caught off guard.
From my trip to Baltimore......
Enjoy!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Trevor, very nice photos; I like the looks of the NABIs at Baltimore as they remind me of the Flx Metros. Speaking of which, I am now doing some killer models of those in MTA colors if you are interested.
-Fred Donaher
Star City Customs
Very nice photos. What I found very interesting was the run number in the lower right windshield, which is L.E.D. also. If NYCT buses had those type of run numbers, which would work with the fareboxes like the destination signs, that would make life so much easier for both the bus operators and dispatchers.
BIG AL
Very true; that is a great location for a sign. We used to have analog roll-up versions at Valley Metro, complete with schedule holders on the back; in fact, two were recently unearthed there and have been installed in our museum buses to further their original appearance. What a find!
Fred Donaher
Curator
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
Any info on what buses are running the Shuttle for the Derailed SIRT? - The RTSs from YUK (the former storage ones, Orion V Suburbans? MCIs? [that would be really nice, but highly unlikely])
does anyone know the routing of the shuttles
no artics on the BX31 and alot on the BX26 and 28 whats up with that
Bx31 NEEDS Articulateds!! I rode Bx31 Yesterday and got a Nova 88xx from Gun Hill and it was carrying about 55 People(I think). I did saw a Articulated 10 Minutes after I got off the Bx31. And the Articulated was from Kingsbridge!! It was New Flyer #1105 on Bx31 and it was carrying 25 People on broad!! Next time. Have that Articulated when I was on a Bus that was with 55 People. and have the Nova that I got on at the time when I saw the Articulated on Bx31.
Do anybody know if some Bx31 runs are from Kingsbridge besides Gun Hill Runs?
Well, I think not. Maybe #1105 moved to GH, like #1108-1109. Or maybe KB does some runs for GH routes. There were times when I saw KB artics on the Bx28 and Bx39 occasionally. BTW, there was an artic on the Bx3 Thursday.
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
i saw kingbride 1072,1101 5488 and 5503 on the BX31
some of the artics may be getting a 3-year mini-overhaul.
i think at 5 and 10 years it's a general overhaul
it went to the golf coarse right next to gunhill and lots of kingsbride artics like 5472 on bx12 and so was5441
it went to the golf coarse right next to gunhill and lots of kingsbride artics like 5472 on bx12 and so was5441
on the Bx31 was it 5285 there was on two artics on there 5389 and the bx26 does not need artics
Anyone know of a site for old Surface Transportation System bus photos?.maybe from the 30's 40's and 50's. Thanks...
I'm just a hoping and a prayin' that NABI gets the contract even though people are claiming that New Flyer has it hands down.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Chicago is also getting these Nabi's in 2003 . There going to replace ex Seattle Artics.
Luke
Rode one of the CAT's NABI 436's while on vacation In vegas last month and I was quite impressed with it.
Rode one of the CAT's NABI 436's while on vacation In Las Vegas last month and I was quite impressed with it handling and speedwise.
David are you a Traffic Checker/Operation Planning for MTA???? Well send me your Email so we can talk about that.
Peace
David Justiniano
I am a manager for NYC Transit.
David
......what are the anticipated/planned/fantasy route assignments to KB, GH and Coliseum when it comes time to take care of that as well as what happens with Amsterdam closing?
BTW, passed coliseum last week, only looks half done if that.
good question
What the flying ---- was the purpose of posting this?
Yes, please!
Ray
This Sunday I would be going to Phily for the day. So I got some Questions.
1. Would 27 would go into Metroplex Center going Northbound?
2. Do ElDorados run on 110 on Sundays?
3. Are there any No W/C lift Neoplans on W/C Lines still?
4. How many New Flyer D40LF's are in service?
5. Is there a chance to get a ElDorado on 97?
6. Have R7 and 101 EVER have Service Replace by Bus before? And what Depot would do those routes?
7. Have a NABI ever ran on 35,39,77,and 89?
Thanks! :)
I know Phily has one D40 LF ..Does anyone know on which routes she runs on or is she used on Saturday's ?
I heard the trolly buses are off the road, is this true ?
Also on what routes do NABI'S run on ?
Luke
1.The only d40lf is in canada.
2.fulse
3.any city route.
1. Would 27 would go into Metroplex Center going Northbound?
Yes. The 27 serves Metroplex center in both directions seven days a week.
2. Do ElDorados run on 110 on Sundays?
I haven't seen an ElDorado on a Sunday 110 trip. I wouldn't rule it out, but I wouldn't count on seeing any either as some trips carry too many passengers to justify a 30 ft bus.
3. Are there any No W/C lift Neoplans on W/C Lines still?
Not recently. Perhaps an occasional non-w/c bus may show up on the 32 or 61, but with the completion of the shuttle buses between Jenkintown and Ambler, the w/c equipped buses are back where they belong.
4. How many New Flyer D40LF's are in service?
None. The first one isn't due on SEPTA property until the latter part of this year.
5. Is there a chance to get a ElDorado on 97?
Most - if not all - 97 trips use ElDorados. Occasionally a 40 ft bus may slip in, but the 97 is almost all ElDorados.
6. Have R7 and 101 EVER have Service Replace by Bus before? And what Depot would do those routes?
I don't know about the R7 - I'm sure it has, but I don't recall the last time that's happened. Usually, most Regional Rail shuttle bus services would operate from city garages, but I don't know exact details.
I can say that when the R1 Airport line used shuttle buses, the buses came from Southern. When the R5 Jenkintown-Ambler shuttle was in effect, the buses were from Allegheny, Midvale, and Comly (Comly was weekdays only).
The 101 usually runs shuttles between Bowling Green and Downtown Media when a street festival takes place on State St. When the 101 runs shuttle buses, the buses would be assigned out of Red Arrow.
7. Have a NABI ever ran on 35,39,77,and 89?
I've only seen a NABI on the 77, never on any of the other routes.
7.One time when nabis came out there being used them on every route.
I was lucky today as I didn't get stuck at all. The ride on the 8:29am N21 to Flushing went well. After a 10 minute delay due to road work on N.BLvd in Little Neck (rush hour, why?) this was the fastest N21 ride ever. We made every light on Northern Blvd between Douglaston Pkwy and the turn onto Roosevelt avenue. It only took 6 minutes to get from Douglaston to the eastern edge of Flushing. Even though it was getting hot the engine was pretty quick, we were FLYING through Bayside. Man all the drivers should drive like that. And no dropoffs until Flushing. That probably helped make our excellent time.
I think anybody who wants to get off elsewhere in Queens besides FLushing should have to transfer to the Q12. I went to Garden State PLaza today. The GWB bus terminal was hot, there was no A/C!!
My NJT ride went well on the 171. I had Flxible's both ways. The 6V-92 engine was quick and the A/C was good.
Going back the driver was going very fast along route 4, must've been near 60mph. I was amazed at how well the NJT buses were performing with the extreme 95-=100 degree heat today. They had great pickup and I didn't see any breakdowns. Later after getting off an LIRR train in Great NecK i I saw 333 pulling in and discharging passengers onto 178. It was on the N21 to Flushing. Apparently the bus was overheating and had to go OOS.
I knew once the day got started LI Bus would start having problems. It's probably gonna be a rough ride on LI Bus the next few days with the severe heat straining the buses.
Could be worse they still could be running the 870's and Metro A's(and I am not knocking Flxibles either,it just in MSBA's case that the A/C never worked in the summer and they had solid windows.)
How could the N21 turn onto Roosevelt Av when it turns onto Sanford Av according to the Queens Bus Map and MTA LI Bus Map?
Ray
A BIG WHOOPS!! That is Sanford avenue, my mistake!!
Photo I took Tuesday morning at a fire in Brooklyn is 1/2 page in today's NY Daily News. Page 22 of the Racing Final; QLI and KSI editions.
Oh, and their web site has a story and photo of the SIR R44 on two tracks at the same time.
http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-08-08/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-121085.asp
-Hank
only 2 artics on the BX31 as of 11:20 and they are 5390 and 5305
Last night while flipping through channels, I caught a few seconds of "Gilmore Girls" on WB (Warner Brothers). In one scene, Rory (Alexis Blidel) gets off a bus with the CT Transit logo. Boy did I spot this fake a mile away. The street set is obviously in Califonia and the bus didn't have anyhthing close to the familliar green, yellow and white scheme you get here in New Britain and greater Hartford. I think the show is set in Fairfield County, but not in Stamford where there is a CT Transit division. Hmmmm! :>
I was reading in the paper about some woman who was complaining about the express buses on the X27, 28 & 29. She's saying they have no rear door, she has to enter sideways, the aisles are too narrow, etc. What bus is she talking about anyway? I'm assuming she was talking about the MCI's but I don't think they are used on the Manhattan to Bklyn runs. Can anyone comment on this?
Yes.
Ulmer Park - Brooklyn Division - operates X25,27,28,29.
They have approximately 90 MCIs. In the morning, they are mostly on the X27,28 with maybe some on the X29. The X29 will have Novas also in the morning.
In the afternoon, all but one run (on the X29) should be the MCIs.
Yes, the aisle is narrow, but the seats are wider than any other previous express bus.
And there are more of them. I suggest she diet if she can't get on the bus without turning sideways.
-Hank
I believe the MCI's would be more suited for the Manhattan to Staten Island runs where comfort is more of a issue, but I'm not a TA B/O.
Maybe she would like it better if the TA operated low floor soft seaters on the express routes.
A bus operator's opinion of the passenger seats on the bus matters NOTHING. It's the passengers, stupid! First they complain the seats are too small and that there aren't enough of them. So they buy bigger buses, with more and larger seats. Now the problem is that there's no back door and aisle is too narrow for their fat asses.
The reasoning behind the missing back door is that X-bus runs don't have passengers getting on and off at the same time. And the complainers likely don't use the back door when it's there anyway.
-Hank
Maybe if she walked to work in this heat today, she would make enough of her own gravy where she would be able to get on an MCI tomorrow.
She also complained that the buses don't kneel. In fact, the buses are equipped with kneelers, but, of course, it's up to the Bus Operators to activate them.
David
So I guess you read the same letter. And you're right about the kneeling subject.
Speaking of kneelers, what's the procedure - does the doors have to be closed - the other morning it was tried on the X15 but didn't work.
I believe the steps are like this (as relayed to me by an UP driver):
1 - engage the parking brake and put the coach in neutral.
2 - kneel the coach down
3 - press the brake and hold it down (similar to the rear door interlock)
4 - kneel the coach up
5 - press the brake and hold it down again.
6 - place the coach in gear and release the parking brake.
Again, this is what I heard, so don't hold me to it, as I only ride buses (albeit a lot).
The Proper Procedure on the Kneeler is:
1) Pull Up To Stop
2) Open Front Door
3) Activate Kneeler, at this time the brake interlock is automatically activated.
4) Allow Passenger to Board
5) Deactivate Kneeler, wait for "sneezing" sound of the interlock release
6) Close Door
7) Take Off!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
On the RTS that I was training on, there is a switch on the left control panel. You open the forward door, flick the switch to down, and she'll drop down. The scary part is when you flick the switch to up, you pray the bus will come back up.
Charlie Bailey of the Motor Bus Society reports 8202, 8203, and 8204 have been delivered. I imagine NJT will go over these with a fine tooth comb to make sure the previous qulaity issues have been addressed.
What problems did NJT have with them anyway? Were they drivetrain related? Please elaborate.
Reported problems were with brakes, electrical, HVAC, seats, and tires/suspension (tires wearing out too quickly). The powertrain, Detroit Series 60 and Allison B500R, has been pretty solid.
Usually, I would expect these problems if a manufacturer comes out with a brand new model of bus. I'm assuming they are purchasing the current high floor model, the D4000, I think. But thanks for explaining it to me.
Yes, NJT is purchasing the D4000 and D4500, including an NJT-only 96-inch D4000, but NJT requested several new technologies and NJT-specific equipment, which account for much of the problems. Such items include:
- Meritor Q-Plus brakes - this is their first major use in a motorcoach
- a new multiplex electrical system for MCI
- a redesigned dashboard just for NJT
There are also the custom LED taillights, the new front door with extra glass, and the use of electric wipers instead of the normal air wipers.
A 96 inch D4000? It would be interesting to see how many skilled NJT bus operators can get a bus of that length into the PABT. Space is tight on the ramps for even the 40 footers. I've never heard of electric wipers, but they must be better than the air ones.
Um....You're One Backwards Person.
The Standard 102" Wide D4000 and D4500 Cruisers are wider than the existing MC-9A and MC-9B Cruiser Fleet. The 96" Wide D4000 Cruiser will be EASIER to navigate because of its thinner body! The D4000/96 Cruiser will be the first of its kind. Again another NJT Transit special innovation here!
A 96" Long Bus is not a bus, that is a bike!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Sheesh Trevor, I don't claim to be an expert on MCI buses!
Oh I wasn't being like serious, believe it or not I was kinda smiling while typing me reply. The Backwards Person comment was all in fun!
I'm not the hard rock, evil intimadating person that my post comes across as sometimes. SMILE!!!!!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
I sure hope so. I take things seriously. And once again, I don't know everything about MCI's. Asking questions on BT, stupid or not, is helping me to learn about them. Apology accepted.
Here's a helpful guide to the "letter series" MCI model names:
Old designations:
- first numbers represent coach width in inches, either 96 or 102
- next letter is the body/chassis series - A,B,C,D,E,G
- if an "L" appears after the series, it refers to "long" or 45 foot body; otherwise 40 foot (or G series 41 foot)
- last number is number of axles, 2 or 3
example: 96B3 would be a 96-inch wide, B-series body with 3 axles
new designations:
- letter represent body/chassis series - D,E,F,G,J
- next 2 digits represent length in feet
- last 2 digits represent "edition" - all models start as 00, first redesign would be 01, etc.
example: E4500 means E-series body, 45 feet, original edition under new model designation.
Hope that helps
Does anybody know which garage the D4500 will be assigned to?
Tone
Howell and Wayne, as of last report
Michael J. Quill depot operates articulateds on the M23, M79 & M86 routes. Being crosstown routes, I figure that no more than 30 peak hour buses are required to provide full service on all 3 lines. Taking into account that a spare factor is required, but why does Quill depot have 72 Artics assigned. Why so many? Overkill? Why so many spares? Are these buses mechanical lemons that more than half are out of service at any one time?
Because when the Hudson depot closes, the Quill depot will operate the M14 (the NEXT articulated route). Yes, all THREE routes of the M14!
Ray
The Hudson depot is being closed?? When and why?
The pier is crumbling, the closure will happen when 100th Street opens.
Thank you, American Pig!!!!
Ray
Thanks for the answer. Here's another question. Remember the ninth ave depot at 54th Street that they tore down a couple of years ago? Did NYCT build another one somewhere else?
When 54th Street Depot was closed it was replaced by Manhattanville Depot. Manhattanville replaced the old 132nd Street which was condemed as being unsafe in the late spring of 1986. The notice was given on Thursday and the depot was closed that Saturday. The runs were moved to other garages and the depot was not replaced.
BTW when 54 th Street Depot was closed the MTA tried to sell the property and was unable to do so at the price they wanted so they ended up building a new command center for the Department of Subways.
Thank You
IIRC wasn't the 54th Street Depot originally owned by Fifth Avenue Coach. I remember FACC having a depot somewhere on the west side in the 50's.
I recall reading that Madison Square Garden #3 (at 50th and 8th) was built on an old trolley depot closed in the 1920s.
What was this old trolley depot?
54th St. Depot was an old NY Railways trolley barn that became a bus depot for successor NYC Omnibus around 1935. NYC Omnibus was indeed a Fifth Ave. Coach property, and in the mid-1950's the two companies merged and all buses were lettered "Fifth Avenue Coach Lines." IIRC the following lines ran out of 54th St.
5 Sixth Ave. (NB part of today's M6)
6 Broadway (SB part of today's M6)
8/9 7th Ave. (SB part of today's M10 below 59th St)
11 9th/Columbus/10th/Amsterdam (M11 today)
and maybe 16 34th St Crosstown (today's M34).
Thanx for the reply....Didn't think my friend Al(zeimher) was visiting me yet.
Wonder how much FACC got for the property on condenmation and then invested in the stock market.
It was nailed by the SEC for illegal investment practices in the late 60s.
Then it became the South Bay Corporation, what happened to them?
Dunno, I try to check it out on an investment website. I think that they were privately held and therefore not necessarily required to furnish the SEC with statements. Wonder how they picked the name South Bay?
2 more lines ran out of FFS as well,the 15(then M32 now Q32)and the 16(later known as the Q89)
The 15(M then Q 32) and the 16(Q89) did not run out of 54th Street when the routes were operated by 5th Avenue Coach. At that time they had a small depot in Jackson Heights on Northen Blvd approx one block away from the last stop. It continued until MABSTOA was formed and approx a year later the depot was closed and the routes were transferrd to 54th Street.
Thank You
Ok,I thought you were talking about more presently before the 32 was x-fered to HP/CS
Which routes ran out of 132nd? (I don't think buses sported depot stickers yet.)
I miss 54th. I rode the M17/79 every day for a few years and I enjoyed the 1982 RTSs and Flx New Looks we were treated to. When 54th closed the M79 was transferred to Amsterdam, at which point my entire commute (M104 to M79) came out of the same tiny depot. I didn't mind that, either, since the 5200-series was (and remains to this day) my favorite bunch of buses. Then I was off to college, and by the time I got back Amsterdam had given up all of its variety and was running nothing but shoeboxes on wheels. I must say, although Amsterdam has served me well, I look forward to the day it closes.
I think the M2, M3, M4, M5, M10 and maybe the M11 with a split with Hudson. I could be wrong!
Ray
Thanks pal. I'm all straightened out now.
[I figure that no more than 30 peak hour buses are required to provide full service on all 3 lines]
I suspect this is not true. Looking at the M23 timetable, service in the AM and PM rush hours is every 4-7 minutes. The PM trips are scheduled to run about 30-34 minutes in each direction. If you add about 10 minutes layover at each end and assume a 5 minute headway, they probably need around 18 buses just on the M23. If the situation is similar on the M79 and M86, 72 artics for about 54 runs is not that far off the mark.
Talking to an express bus operator out of YUK, he says they will pick and start the pick before Labor Day so they can pick the two new south shore express routes.
Anyone know when the pick is and when that new pick wills start?
This screws vacation schedules if you ask me, switching before labor day.
My friend who used to work at Burger King and now drives from CAS, told me that this new pick will last until at least January 2002. (IIRC)
What is IIRC? I've seen it used in a few messages but can't figure out what it means.
Michael
also of note an injunction against atlantic express forbidding them to start south shore service was sought yesterday. i have not heard the results. the city council cotends giuliani is skirting franchise regulations. they have already installed metrocard farerboxes on their 20 2001 non wheelchair accessible van hools.
NON Wheelchair-accessible? I hope they have a couple accessibles floating around or that could possibly be a contract violation
that is one reason for the lawsuit.
IIRC=
If
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Peace,
ANDEE
The vacations are all figured out already at the beginning of the year.
The X21 and X22 will start on August 27. Therefore, the start of the pick will be in the next two weeks.
This is my first posting on BUSTALK. I thought I would post what happened here because it is bus-related.
I go for my nightly bike ride tonight as usual up to Queens (I live in Brookyln). Heading home I rode on Union Turnpike to get to Myrtle Ave and then to Cypress Hills St to go home. Anyway as an Avid cyclist I know that the less headwind/drag there is the faster you go. I have a NASTY habit of tailing large moving objects on my bike Esp. NYC buses. Lucky for me there was a Ridgewood bound Q55 bus (#8014) heading in my directon. I catch up to it by Forest Park Drive and Myrtle Ave. The guy drops off a passenger and waits by the light. I get right behind his back bumber (I NEVER grab on to anything) and wait for him to gas it. Well he did alright lol. I was able to match his speed and stay less than 2.5 feet from his bumper. He pulled me along nice and quick along Myrtle Ave and for the most part the driver was doing most of the work. So I (We rather) made it to Cooper Ave in 1/3 of the time it usually takes me. We must have gone around 35-40 MPH on MYRTLE. I wasnt watching my speedometer.
So I make it to Cypress Hills St and Cooper in Queens. And look what I see: A B13 (#4889 I think) Waiting at the light to make the turn to up the hill (My lucky night lol). Going uphill was a different story because he honked his horn at me and gassed it up that hill (And for those of you who know that Hill/Cemetery that divides that part of Brooklyn And Queens. Its one NASTY hill). He passed me but I managed to catch up to him at the light for the Interboro (I still call it that I know I know Its the Jackie Robinson). As usual I managed to get behind his bumper and follow him downhill on Cypress Hills St toward Jamaica Ave. My Speedometer hit 40+ MPH down that stretch as I was behind him. Then I passed him because he was slowing down for the turn to Jamaica. I sure as hell wasnt, I was going so fast that my messenger bag was catching air. For a few moments I had a spoiler on my bike lol.
For those of you who arent too familiar with Areodynamics (I used to fly Planes in School). The closer you stay behind a moving object the less drag there is on you. Less Drag = More Speed. Indy Cars, Stock Cars and everything else of the sort follow those same rules, well they try to. I guess I thought Id post this message because I thought it was kinda fun. So if any of you NYC bus drivers see someone passing you on a bike in the left lane....It might be me.
So feel free to let me know what you all think. Feel free to drop me an E-Mail
Anthony
What the hell? You mean you keep the same speed as the buses? Without holding on to anything, you could keep the same speed as the buses? Interesting! Nice story though! Welcome to BusTalk!
Ray
most bikers pass nyct buses. thats how slow they go thanks to speed governors.
so you try to tell me that the buses only go 40mph.
40 your lucky if the locals go that fast.
How did it feel sucking in all that exhaust? 8014 & 4889 have their exhaust pipes recessed underneath the bumper. Also, you're lucky the bus didn't make a panic stop with you just behind it. Average reaction time is 3/4 of a second, which means you could have gotten into a nasty accident. I hope to drive a bus someday, so please don't what you do a habit. Driving a 40 foot RTS with HUGE blind spots and limited rear visibility is not easy.
First of all I was able to keep up with the 1st bus because I know how to switch gears on a bike real good. I can pick up 2 MPH for every second passed when accelerating (I know I spelled that one wrong). And besides I was right behind him so I was being pulled by his draft as well.
As for the panic stop thing. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME!!! I have an excellent reaction time and I can tell when the driver will brake because I listen for changes in the Engine while its running. What do you think will take longer to stop..a Heavy NYC bus going 40 or a 150 lb guy with a aluminum mountain bike doing the same speed with tight brakes??
Any bus drivers out there want to have me tailing them ????? LOL
Anthony
I can't speak for other RTS drivers, but I wouldn't want a biker tailgating me out of sight of my mirrors. Do what you want pal.
Today I took a little trip to our Acceptance Lot. Here is what was there....
D4000 Cruiser:
8522, 8523 from the Rockland Order
8709 from the Suburban Order
D4500 Cruiser:
8202-8204 for NJT.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Cool deal; let's hope MCI reintroduces the Flx Metros and starts lining THOSE up in your Acceptance Lot!
-F.
Yeah - I'm right along with ya.
Wayne
Ahh, now I have a fleet number to repaint my Corgi MCI model, set aside just for this purpose, although refinishing the door and taillight areas to make them flat will be a pain in the butt.
Last night, Fox 5 did a story on the heat wave and the effect on transit commuters, saying how hot stations in the Subway are - except artificially cooled GCT on 4/5/6 - and then went to NJT saying that the A/C on the MCI 9A-9Bs suck - according to passengers - and that many do not work.
Now I never have ridden one of these buses for NJT - except the Academy leased ones on a charter trip once - so I can't comment on the validity, so I'll leave it up to people that ride NJT and these buses and their drivers, like Trevor.
True there is some dead MCI MC-9A Cruisers for HVAC, but the MCI MC-9B Cruisers I have encounted have always been frost boxes. And as for the new D4000 Cruisers, Forget About It, those are Meat Lockers.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
It's on a Friday, the worst day of the week for me, and I'm already planning an unrelated (to transit) trip to North Jersey around that time, plus Hoboken Fest is a few weeks later.
Take pictures, please...I don't know what local TV news's plans are.
I'm organizing a "Field Trip" there Thursday the 23rd ... see the Up Coming Events section of this site for more detail.
Mr t__:^)
Last night I was watching this movie called Claudine. One of the first scenes is Claudine getting on NYCT Fishbowl batwinged 8436. She was in the more attractive two tone blue livery. The movie took place sometime in the 70s, so I saw a few. The sign said 100/Riverdale city line. But she lived somewhere way uptown. I think the Bx3 goes to the city line. Kinda reminded me of my last Fishbowl ride, NYCT 4478 of of ENY years ago.
That was a good movie - wish I had known it was on. What channel??? The old Bx4 (now Bx34) went to the City Line, but the old Bx3 (now Bx17) operated between Fordham Plaza and 138th Street-Jackson Ave.
Wayne
It came on the Fox Movie Channel Wednesday night. It was also the unedited version! I totally forgot what buses go up Riverdale Ave to the border. The TA must have changed route numbers since I was there last.
Unedited? Like how unedited was it? What was shown? Also, how often is the bus in there?
-F.
For those of us that have girlfriends, there was a scene with Claudine and Rupert (James Earl Jones) in bed. He got up because he heard the mouse trap go off and he was nude, but his manhood wasn't shown. I never saw that scene on broadcast tv. You also heard the S word in the first few scenes.
Ok, OK...the "S" word was said and the voice of Darth Vader shows off his hoo-ha. Gotcha. Sounds like an interesting movie overall!
-F.
They didn't actually show his manhood, it was cleverly blocked by something in the foreground. I don't know if you were kidding, but I thought it was a great movie.
Oh yeah...like they did in Austin Powers. That was clever too. Yeah, I've gotta see this movie. It sounds hilarious!
-F.
Didnt the M100 go to Riverdale until about 10-15 years ago when they cut it back to 220 and Bway and replaced it with the Bx20?
Yes, it did. However, it wasn't cut back until the late 90's.
Wayne
My 1989 map has the M100 terminating at 207th Street.
1989??? Hmm - I thought it was later, but I could very well be wrong.
Wayne
No, I'm pretty sure it was in the late 80's.
The M-100 was cut back to 207-Isham St around 1988..The Bx-7 was extended to 168th St the same time and the Bx-20 was created to continue the M-100 route from 207-Isham to 263rd St.
Actually, when Claudine got off the bus, she was somewhere way uptown, around Edgecomb Ave, if there is such a street. It seemed to be the last stop because everyone got off when the bus entered a loop.
Yes there is a street in Upper Harlem known as Edgecomb Avenue. As the name implies, it runs North/South. I think if you cross the bridge just north of Yankee Stadium, and continue west you will cross Edgecomb Avenue
When I was watching the movie, the street where Claudine lived looked like it was north/south, but I didn't see an actual street sign.
I have no idea my friend. I'm not as well versed in Bronx routes like I used to be.
Wow...that must have been quite the flashback for you. I'll never forget one of the last times I rode our Flxible New Looks here in Roanoke; it was back in high school, right before I got my license. A girl I knew from school got on and asked me if I wanted to watch her do a "sexy dance" around the rear standee pole; I obliged, and what a sight it was! :)
I really wish I would have rode the old Flxes more often as they would not be retired for another two years, but there were two big factors; for one, I was pissed that our TA was getting rid of them (and raising fares to accomodate the funding for the Gilligs that would replace them), and for another, I was freshly licensed to drive and that was a big thing for me; I felt like I could go anywhere and didn't really need to ride the bus anymore, now that the glory days of bus riding would soon be gone.
However, almost a decade later, I actually keep the car parked somedays and ride the bus to avoid traffic, save wear and tear on my car, and....by golly, for the fun of bus riding! As time passed, I guess you can say I became a lot more "flxible" to our newer buses. LOL :)
-F.
Great story. I was surprised that day to actually get NYCT Fishbowl 4478 running as the B12 in Brooklyn. This one had the batwings. (huge signs on both sides near the roof) I thought I was kinda odd for it to be assigned to the ENY depot. I usually see them in Manhattan. I guess at the time NYCT were demoting them to the outer boros to free up space at the Manhattan depots for new equipment. But I can't confirm it. Anyway, it was good to see one.
4478 had batwings? You must be mistakened with the number. None of the 4400's had batwings. Maybe it was 8878? Also, buses with batwings were regularly found in all 5 boroughs.
Just saw American Pie 2 and there was a scene that was supposed to be in NYC and here comes a Flx Metro all white with a blue stripe around it masquerading as a NYCT bus. You couldn't really see any route number, but it was coming right near the camera. I was paying more attention to the woman than the bus, but I could see that it was trying to be a NYC type bus.
Hot chicks and Flxes? OOOOOOH....it's the movie "Pecker" all over again! Ok, I've GOT to go see "American Pie 2" now.
Just curious...does the guy repeat the famous "scalding scene" from the first movie or is there something even more off the wall?
-F.
Oh, there's some good scenes this time around. It sure lives up to the R rating!! : )
I saw something like that in a commercial. The bus was a Flx 870. She was painted in NYCT livery, but she didn't look right. I thought the paint job was a little unusual. Also, I saw a NYCT spec RTS that apparently is a movie prop. Judging by the newer non tinted windows, (I could only see half the left side) I'd say she's at least a 4500 series and above.
I wonder why they are non-tinted these days? That seems like a step backward. Anyone know what's up with that?
-F.
I remember when NYCTA went to the light tint with the 1983 GM RTS and I heard it was a safety issue as well as complaints that it was difficult so outside at night with dark tint.
Wayne
Hmm...makes sense. I always liked the tinted glass as it gives ADBs a sleeker look. Then again, so do the smooth side windows on a Grumman 870, but on a hot day when the A/C is down you really start to wish it was a Flx Metro.
We have a sliding Metro-type rear quarter window on our restored Grumman that was retrofitted while it was still in service with Valley Metro; while not original to the bus, it does aid passenger comfort during summer excursions, as do the retrofitted Transpec roof vents.
Fred Donaher
Curator of Buses
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
Since I used to ride the bus late at night, it really was hard to see out of those tinted windows.
IIRC the bus shown on the closing credits of Welcome Back Kotter had Bus-O-Rama signs. IIRC itis # 8854
That's right; I always stick around for the closing credits on account of that very scene. Also, people really seemed to like Dodge Darts in Brooklyn as there were plenty of late-model versions seen in that closing credit sequence.
Another note; in the final seasons of "Kotter" an 8800-series Fishbowl is seen coming towards the camera under a bridge during opening credits.
-F.
I think that bus might have been a 6000 series fishbowl rather than an 8800 series because it didn't have any batwings. The bridge that was referred to is the elevated train line.
More namely the West End Line.
What does IIRC mean?
IIRC= If I Remember Correctly.
No way pal. The bus ran by my house one day, and I remember the number clearly. I even kept a list of every single NYCT bus that I ever rode, and 4478 was the last non reman Fishbowl that I rode. Yes, she had the batwings. That I remember clearly.
OK, that's an odd one to me. I wonder if any other odd ones like that had batwings. I know of 7753 (only Flx New Look) and 631 (only Grumman). Also, were there any other buses out of ENY with wings?
IIRC didn't those hi 4400 transits end up at FP in the early 80's cause I remember getting 4460 and 4482 on the 58 a few times.
WHAT?!? A GRUMMAN WITH BATWINGS??? You've got to be KIDDING me! Does anyone have pics? I've GOTTA see this to believe it...what a stretch!
-F.
I'll try to dig up an old copy of Bus World and scan a photo of Grumman 870 #631. I thought it looked horrible and I hoped the experiment would be unsuccessful. Unfortuantely, I guess that issue is moot being that they all went away - thanks to the foolish NYCTA.
Wayne
Wow...I just saw photos. That thing looks strange as hell! Also, I didn't know the 600s had blue wheels.
-F.
All of NYCTA/MABSTOA's Grumman 870's were delivered from the factory with the blue wheens. It didn't take but a year or so and they got on a kick and painted them white.
If anyone sees "American Pie 2", pay attention to the scene where "Nalia" is in New York, and making a phone call on a corner Pay-Phone, and in the Background, you'll see a Grumman Flexible in the current NYCTA Paint scheme ...........
Wow...a Grumman in current NYCTA colors? I wonder if it's a painted one or if they might have used one of the canceled 1996 Flx Metro 1900 series that is currently a demo at Detroit Diesel? Sure it's not a Metro? I've gotta see this!
-Fred
I think it was a Flxible Metro as it had the vents in the front, but they were painted white. I was going back and forth watching the girl, watching the bus, watching the girl, watching the bus. The girl won.
LOL...I don't blame you there. What is the name of the actress? Also, sounds like it is a Metro after all. How frequently is it seen in the movie?
-F.
I can't remember her name. She isn't the same actress that was in the first one, I don't think. That bus was only in that one scene when she was on the phone in what was supposed to be NYC.
Hmm...sounds like a winner. Two of my favorite things to look at; hot chicks and buses. I'm there!
-F.
Hmm..I'll have to remember that the next time someone custom orders a model of a NYCTA Grumman...the option of blue wheels as delivered or white wheels. Thanks!
BTW, the model is in the authentic 1980 NYC paint scheme with dark blue striping and skirt panels, complete with smooth roof and Grumman emblems, and looks NOTHING like the Road Champs attempt at this scheme. I will try to post photos ASAP.
Fred Donaher
Star City Customs
there is a picture of it in a early edition of a bus world magazine. it was tried briefly in manhattan
That is just flat out funky. I mean, they look period correct but WOW they look different on a Grumman bus. Did they light up as well? Now that could have looked really good at night.
-F.
I don't think they lit up at night -- I did see 631 on a few occasions in 1981, including nighttime, and I don't remember any lighting like the big Batwings on the fishbowls.
Ah, poop. Lighted Bus-O-Ramas would have looked cool. Now that I think of it, the batwings make a Grumman look almost European.
-F.
O agree with that, they look a lot like all those Belgian and Dutch PCC cars with the phony batwings on them.
Yeah, they do. Like a Hong Kong bus or something out of Europe. It's an interesting sight!
-F.
I sent ya a trio of photos of MABSTOA 631 by e-mail....enjoy!!
Thanks for the photos; the second one is a great shot. WOW that just boggles my mind!
-F.
Hey, you're not gonna share them with the rest of the class?
I'd be happy to...you just have to e-mail me with a request and I will send a shot via return mail. I don't know who wants them and who doesn't. But I'm always willing to share.
That was the only Fishbowl that I saw out of ENY with wings. I moved to Queens a few days later so I couldn't investigate any further.
Wow! I know a bunch of the 8800 series had Bus-O-Ramas but I was sure that none of the 4300-4400 series 5305A's had them.
Wayne
That's what confuses me also. I never saw or heard about any 4000's having Busoramas. 11a is certain that the number was 4478. Perhaps it was retrofitted. A few questions: did 4478 have standee windows noticable from inside? Were the 3 marker lights on the front roof or were there any emergency lights next to the front destination sign? This raises another question, the busorama would have to be installed on top of the roof marker light in the mid section of the bus.
marker light in the mid section of the bus.> You're right about that. I'm sure if I saw it I coould identify as an imposter or not.
Wayne
In Queens, the Q6, Q8, Q9, Q9A and the Q41 terminate at the Jamaica Bus Terminal. Where did they use to terminate?
HINT: Remember, the Q6 and the Q9 had TWO brief terminations before and after they terminated at the Terminal. One termination is at there old spot before the terminal and the OTHER spot. This was for the Q6 and Q9 ONLY.
Ray
I believe that Green Line buses use to terminate at 165th Street and Archer Avenue prior to being extended to 165th Street Bus Terminal
The Q6 and Q9 i believe also had an additonal terminal at the Stuphin Blvd-Hillside Ave Station.
Thank You
Okay, well it was not at the Supthin Blvd Station (more like the Supreme Court to them) but you are correct. Congradulations. This question is now dead. It's too late for anyone else to answer!
Ray
Actually the Q40 (and still does) terminated at Sutphin Blvd. near the courthouse. The Q6, Q8, Q9 & Q41 all terminated at Archer Ave & Guy Brewer Blvd (formerly New York Blvd). At this time Archer was a one way street.
Wayne
In 1980's? That was 1989-April of 1991 when they did that.
Ray
Yes, this was in the 80's. Their entention to 165th Street-Terminal was part of the huge Jamaica thing - when the Archer Ave IND extention opened and TA and MSBA bus routes that terminated at 169th Street-Hillside Ave were rerouted to Parsons-Archer Ave station.
Wayne
But Archer Av was a two-way street until the DOT changed Jamaica and Archer Avs into one way streets back in 1989-April of 91. Right?
Ray
I don't remember because around 1989-91 I rarely travelled in that area. However, I believe a portion of Archer was one-way and most of it was two-way. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain about the Q6,Q8,Q9 and Q41 terminal before they were extended to 165th St-Terminal. In the early 80's I used to ride GBL buses often with a friend who knew a bunch of the drivers.
Wayne
Of course, only some of us real old timers would answer the question about where they used to terminate with: "At the old Jamaica Bus Terminal that used to be located on the north side of Archer Avenue, just east of New York Blvd. (now Guy Brewer)." I think that terminal was closed because the old Gertz store built a parking garage on that spot - I think the garage is still there. The terminal may have had a name, but I can't think of it now. All of the Green Bus Lines routes that now go to 165th Street Terminal used to use this old terminal, along with the Schenck Transportation routes from Nassau County (today's N22 and N24; don't think the N26 existed then). I forget when that terminal closed, but it was probably in the 1970's.
I just found out that CT Transit is purchasing 36 New Flyer D40LF buses. Judging by the current ConnDOT roster, it looks as though the first batch of D40LFs (101-126) will be heading to Stamford, replacing the Scanias - or at the very least, they might go to Hartford, which would possibly send some Classics to Stamford; I don't know where 127-136 would be assigned.
I knew that CT Transit had ordered New Flyer Low Floor Buses to replace the Scanias in Stamford - they should be arriving around October. I don't know where those beyond the Scania replacements may be headed. While CT Transit past history would suggest all 36 would stay in Stamford, it is possible some of the excess would go to both New Haven and Hartford to give those cities some low floor buses. Of course, all three CT Transit Divisions already have some of the 1999 El Dorado low floor buses. Also, as I posted recently, CT Transit is supposed to get two hybrid electric low floor buses around June 2002. I believe one will be a New Flyer while the other will be an Orion VII.
Do you when the first Classics will retire ? and which division ?
Does anyone know if New London CT division has a system map ? or a website or a phone number to contact them ?
thanks
I would guess that the first batch of CT Transit Classics would be retired in about 2-3 years, consistent with the next bus order from ConnDOT.
CT Transit's original 1990 Classics are in both Hartford (9001-9088) and New Haven (9101-9144), so those are likely to be the first replaced. (In addition, there are another 6 or so in Meriden and Waterbury operated by Northeast Transportation that were part of the same order - 9091-9096 I believe.) They seem to be in very good shape, but will probably be retired purely because of their age.
I don't know if SEAT, which operates the public buses in New London and Norwich, CT, has its own web site, but there is helpful information at:
http://www.geocities.com/Kenyon_Karl/CT-SEAT/index.htm
I guess CT Transit might be able to make some money if they retire those 1990 Classics....That is if they sell them back to Canada.Detroit has already taken it's GM Classics off the road but put them in storage. If Detroit was smart they could have made money.
Oh does anyone know when the first Classics will retire from the New York DOT lines ? 2003 ?
Might be the end of this yr beginning of next.GBL is suppose to receive 140 Orion V's to replace its 1985 GM RTS-04's and 1986 RTS-06's and maybe its 89 Classics as well.
The MCI's won't retire when the GBL Orions (CNG) buses come.
Ray
I thought so,those buses are only 12 yrs old and being that they are the true heir appearent to a fishbowl they have at least 3 to 8 yrs left(15 to 18 if rebuilt).
OH MY GOD!! I SAW A PHOTO OF A SOUND TRANSIT C40LF INTEROR PHOTO AND THE SEATS ARE HIGH BACK SEATS!! I NEVER SAW A LOW FLOOR BUS WITH HIGH BACK SEATS BEFORE!!
Here is the photos!
Uh, I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at, but I do believe that the Jackie Gleason buses are C40LF's...C=CNG 40=40 feet LF=Low Floor...Sad to see that you haven't ridden on a C40LF out of JG before!!!!
wow
wow << lowercase letters denoting the overflowing enthusiasm
This is what the TA should be getting for these people in Brooklyn who are whining about the MCI's;NFI C40LF's in suburban configuration like above.Then watch them complain about being SRO in to the city.
Sound Transit has those high-back seats because these buses are used on commuter runs of up to 60 miles ONE WAY. They aren't for your basic, stop every two blocks city service. Those services are done by Seattle Metro, Pierce Transit, etc. Sound Transit is also the operator of the heavy reail commuter trains between Tacoma and Seattle, known as the "Sounder" with a paint scheme that matches the buses. (The buses are operated jointly by Seattle Metro and Pierce Transit "under contract" to Sound Transit...Puget Sound Regional Transportation Authority.
First of all, Sound Transit does not operate any C40LFs; their only low floors are D60LF articulated units.
Second, a low floor bus with high-back suburban seats is just a slightly off-the-beaten-path combination of otherwise commonplace features. Get used to it; there are probably a lot more configurations out there which you have not seen.
I'm not so amazed.
Okay, I MUST be missing something! I do not see any pictures on MY computer. I got two boxes with red "X" in each of them.
Ray
So how did all the buses fare in this triple digit weather? I was lucky again and had no breakdowns on LI Bus, however I saw 139 broke down at the top of the hill in Roslyn, and I've been seeing the MTA LI Bus tow trucks around alot. After all in this hot weather it's amazing there haven't been more breakdowns. The A/C on the diesel Orions and the Cummins buses is abit weak, but all I care about is that it works period!
Come to Phoenix, Ride Valley Metro Bewtween April and October where its over 100 F everyday. The buses (Nambi LF, Newflyer LF, RTS, El Dorado & MAN Artics) Run well with 80 F A/C on every bus.
Today at Mother Hale we had 15 out of services for the day and MTV had over 25.
Arrived @ work last night only to find that 35% of the fleet was down. We ended having to borrow buses from Meadowlands, Howell, Oradell and Market Street.
The Guest buses were Nova #1311 & Flxible Metro B #3111 from Market Street; Flxible Metro B #3047, #3545, #3276 from Meadowlands; MCI MC-9B Cruiser #5165 from Howell; MCI D4000 Cruiser #7617 from Oradell (Which Was MY Toy For The Night).
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Were there any serious or significant service disruptions caused by this?
Also, what bus route do you operate?
If you ever transfer to Orange, be sure to pick the #92 and you'll eventually come across me!
All in all I would say the City is doing pritty well with the Orions.
Many of our drivers get folks asking them to turn down the A/C because the bus is too cold. I'm not saying that breakdowns aren't happening, but compared to a few years ago when all we had was an old RTS fleet we're doing OK for such a hot week.
Mr t__:^)
Quite a few SEPTA buses in the suburban divisions were out of service. I don't have exact numbers, but I can say that several Frontier (96 and 128) and Red Arrow (105, 113, 117/119, and 123) experienced major delays due to overheated buses.
I also noticed a few more ElDorados on the 92/133 over the past two days (204 block - 10:20am from West Chester to 2:20pm) has had an ElDorado for example). Usually, I only see 1, maybe 2, during the week, with a few more put into service on Saturdays. I don't think the cutaways held up too well compared to the other buses.
Regional rail was a disaster. Several lines on the former Reading Main Line (Market East to Glenside) - the R1 Glenside/Airport, R2 Warminster, R3 West Trenton/Elwyn, and R5 Lansdale/Paoli branches were delayed between 15-30 minutes due to wire problems; the R6 Norristown operated shuttle buses between Norristown TC (DeKalb St) and Norristown/Elm St due to downed wires; a few hundred passengers were stranded and forced to walk on the tracks to Overbrook Station after an R5 Express train to Paoli/Thorndale just east of Overbrook broke down.
I neglected to add that part of the problem is that SEPTA only has about 7-8 tow trucks for the entire system. The tow truck fleet at SEPTA is much older than the buses, if you can believe it. The "newest" tow truck is a early 1980's vintage Ford 9000. Most of SEPTA's tow truck fleet consists of late 1970's/early 1980's Autocars (which doesn't even exist anymore; it eventually evolved into Volvo/White/GMC or some configuration). Frontier doesn't even have their own tow trucks, they rely on a private contractor from the Plymouth Meeting area (which doesn't do much good when you have a broken down bus in West Chester or Morrisville).
There are a few maintenance trucks (I've only seen 2, maybe 3) which are used system-wide.
Interesting ARTICLE . It's all about the journey.
Peace,
ANDEE
Wednesday - saw QSC RTS 303 on the QM1A.
Thursday - saw COMMAND RTS 380 on the BM2 to Canarsie - with real old looking roll signs on the side and none on the front.
Are they having any problems?
Also, saw 7044 on the X90. It had it's rear destination sign removed and now there's a black panel of wood or something covering the hole in the fiberglass. Why?
I have noticed this on many MCI D4500s (and the older ones DL45 whatever) that when the bell is rung, it may sometimes ring again and again and again, which is annoying (the people are not ringing it more than once, it's doing it itself.)
Also, sometimes after it is rung, it will hum a ringing bell sound until the driver opens the door.
Are there any other companies experiencing this?
Ok - question on the run numbers on the Expresses.
Is the X1-9 share run numbers b/c I see an X3 signed as run 127 - when I know that theren't are that many runs on the X3? Is this the same with any buses that share the same timetables?
Also, saw run 340 from CAS exiting the tunnel, and then in the tunnel, saw run 340 from YUK. I know that YUK and CAS share the express runs on some routes, so why would there be 2 runs 340???
the answer is yes and castleton and yukon both have corresponding miscellaneous runs.are you taking next b/o test.
The reason I'm asking is b/c sometimes a CAS misc will show up on the X3, etc, and if it has run #340, as in this case, and there's another run 340, say on the X15, how do you distinguish the 2?
I had thought that for the misc runs, they are assigned together to both depots for the Expresses, and never thought there could be 2 express runs 340.
Is the X1-9 share run numbers b/c I see an X3 signed as run 127 - when I know that theren't are that many runs on the X3? Is this the same with any buses that share the same timetables?]
Yes, there are NO runs on the X2, X3, X4, etc. per se; the runs are assigned to the entire X1 "family" of routes. Run 127 happens to do that particular X3 trip. (Compare with other combined schedules, such as Bx1/2, M27/50, Q44/20, S55/56.)
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[Also, saw run 340 from CAS exiting the tunnel, and then in the tunnel, saw run 340 from YUK. I know that YUK and CAS share the express runs on some routes, so why would there be 2 runs 340???]
Miscellaneous runs are merely runs which do work on multiple routes; they may include local ad/or express routes.
Also, the miscellaneous run numbers in each depot are independent of the other depots, so there are FIVE 301's (YU, CA, CS, JA, QV), five 302's, and so forth.
For those who haven't heard, the NYCTA DOB has added 2 stops to the Q46 Limited beginning Sunday, September 9, 2001.
Eastbound (towards 260th Street / LIJ Hosp): 150th St and 164th Street.
Westbound (towards Kew Gardens) 150th St and 164th Street.
The westbound stop at 150th Street has been officially placed into the schedule padprint and face sheet, whereas before it was an add-on stop.
Fall Pick - Queens Division
The 2001 Fall Pick was posted Monday, August 6th in the 3 Queens NYCTA depots. Picking will begin the following Monday, August 13th and run in seniority order until Friday, August 24th.
The pick will take effect on Sunday, September 9th, 2001.
Retiree Rally - Monday, September 10th
Bernie Fezza has organized a rally for retirees regarding Variable Supplement. The rally will be held on September 10th, 2001, before all NYC mayoral candidates in Staten Island, New York. The bus (or buses) are scheduled to depart Queens Village Depot at 4:30PM. Please contact Bernie Fezza at (516) 795-6047 for questions and confirmation details.
*Only NYCTA ATU Retirees, please!
if you have more details email me or post
as hanley never publicizez these things.
Larry is busy these days with the Staten Island bus issue, I'm sure. For more information, please call Bernie Fezza at the above telephone number. As I understand it, he is organizing the rally and can help you with the details. I have no other information than what's been posted.
If you'd care, you can email me at the above address and I'll keep you in mind for future events via email.
When Kingsbridge Depot closed for renovation (when was this?), what depot replaced it during that time?
The closing the old Kingsbridge depot coincided with the opening of the newly constructed Gun Hill depot around 1989. All of KB buses were sent to Gun Hill. The old KB was demolished and the new KB which includes an extra building for storage was built. When KB closed many of it's routes operated out of COL.
Wayne
When KB reopened, what was closed for reconstruction? Coliseum?
This part gets kind of fuzzy, but when the new KB opened... buses from Walnut went to KB. I think this is the time that Walnut closed, but reopened a bit later when Coliseum closed. Walnut closed for good in the late 90's.
Wayne
Wayne,
Prior to the opening of Gun Hill Depot the Bronx had 3 depots
1-Kingsbridge
2-Walnut
3-Coliseum
Gun Hill Depot replaced the original Kingsbridge which was closed for reconstruction
When the new Kingsbridge reopened it replaced Walnut which had an abestos problem.
When Walnut reopened it replaced Coliseum which closed for reconstruction. The original plan was for Kingsbridge to replace Coliseum which was to be rebuilt. When Coliseum was rebuilt Walnut would have been turned into a Maintance facility.
What happened was Rupert Murdoch wanted the Walnut property for a new printing plant for the New York Post and the state said OK. It then forced the MTA to close Walnut creating the current storage problem in the Bronx in 1998. It then also forced the MTA to build the new Zerega Avenue Facility which was built rather fast under MTA standards.
Hope this helps
Thank You
Where is the Zerega Avenue Maintenance Facility?
This I assume replaces East New York? What will they do with the CMF in East New York Depot?
near the throgs neck bridge in that area it is the white building
ummm that would be the whitestone bridge
The Zerega Maintenance Facility is at Zerega Av and Homer St. I walked up there myself. To get there, take the Bx5 to Castle Hill Av/Lafayette Av, then walk east toward Zerega and go south until you see the gigantic white building.
The Maspeth Facility, I think is supposed to replace the East New York CMF.
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
I guess the CMF facility will become more depot space for the buses. Believe me if you travel around ENY depot late evening/night, you'll see that they need extra space.
I remember in the 1960s, buses DIDN'T have power steering. The first break through was power-assisted steering and now power steering. What is the difference between power-assisted and power steering?
Today, a driver can turn a bus with one finger. That couldn't be done 30 years ago.
Michael
Yeah, really....GM old looks took three men and a little boy to turn around a corner!!!!
They used to call it ARMstrong power steering.
Peace,
ANDEE
Sounds like our 1976 Flx New Looks here. That was about the only gripe with them in later years; the drivers at Valley Metro were fast becoming used to the cushy 79 Grummans, which were the first transits in Roanoke to feature power steering. In fact, our first Roadeo used not Grummans-but Flxes without p/s--to test the drivers' skills! From what I understand, one of the guys at VM has an old video of the first roadeo and I would love to see it.
In addition to a Valley Metro 35' Flx, our museum also has a PenTran 76 Flx New Look sans power steering. Apparently it was never an option on this model? If anyone knows otherwise, please inform me right away. I do know that PenTran retrofitted power steering on their 1977 New Looks.
-Fred Donaher
Curator
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
www.arcticboy.com/buses/savebus.html
I know in cars power assisted steering is preferred. Most cars have power assisted steering which gives you the aid of power and lets the driver still have a feeling of being connected with the road. Steering has a firm feeling to it. Power steering makes the steering so light that you can turn the wheel with a finger very easily.
Wayne
Just saw a promo featuring a story about the safety of NYCT's buses on WABC News, Channel 7 at 5PM today.
The report will be broadcast Monday morning during the 5AM newscast.
5AM??
I guess it's nothing real juicy and newsworthy otherwise it would be on at 11PM.
Good point. Or, maybe they want an early rising audience who travel via bus more frequently, or longer distances?
Let me know if you see the story. I'll be driving a bus at 5AM :-)
Just out of curiosity Brooklyn67,
does run 2 on the 46 always pull out to Kew Gardens on the first half?
I would assume run 1 runs off from KG also?
I saw what i assumed to be run 2 on saturday AM about 445 on the GCP westbound when i got off at 168 st.
Unless it's changed, run 2 (from memory) reports at 3:54AM, pulls out at 4:02, runs onto LIJ and leaves at 4:21 in service towards Kew Gardens. You probably saw 2/46 deadheading to KG because the operator didn't show up or was too late to make the trip, so a reserve operator, who pulled out late, was trying to make the trip from KG which leaves at 4:51. Best I can do :-)
When it was closed, did another D. Poe replace it?
Crosstown closed as an operating depot in 1981 (it's still active as a paint shop, or at least was until very recently) and was not replaced by another facility.
David
With the Manhattan Bridge problems with the subway, if the situation ended up that for an extended period of time the Manhattan Bridge were to be totally closed to trains, the following is what is planned to occur. This is under MTA plan TSM-C, the NYC subway the way it is now with no further construction but the bridge is totally closed. This is quoted from the site http://members.aol.com/bdmnqr2/erc.html
". . .a highlight of TSM-C is the extensive supplemental bus service over the Manhattan Bridge ond Battery Tunnel. (Original plans called for Brooklyn Bridge, but they couldn't get over the weight restrictions on the bridge, so then they proposed Bus/HOV only lanes on the Manhattan Bridge
The B-45 (8 peak hour trips both ways) and B-67 (5 trips) would be extended from their present routes on Livingston St. over the Manhattan Bridge to a "Downtown Loop" (probably the present route of the B-51, which would be eliminated) to City Hall.
A new "B-99" from both Atlantic Terminal and Empire Blvd via Flatbush Ave. (12 peak hour trips both ways each) would also run over the bridge to City Hall.
the B-71 would be extended from Union St. through the Battery Tunnel and West or Church streets to "Lower Manhattan"
A new bus storage facility of about 19,440 feet would be required. Two potential locations were identified: a large block of cleared property between Delancey and Broome Sts. in the Seward Park Urban Renewal Area Extension (owned by the city), and two plots beneath the ramps of the Williamsburg Bridge, on opposite sides of Columbia Street."
If in 2004 the bridge isn't repaired, this may actually happen, who knows?
Is this info from the MTA website? Please specify...
This info came from a website published by a member of SubTalk. I believe I gave the link.
We got hit with a nasty thunderstorm from 2:30-3pm, lots of lightning rain and wind. The lights flickered alot but I never lost power, but alot of places on the north shore of Nassau did. After the storm was over I walked on over to Glen Cove avenue to catch the N27 bus to Greenvale. To my suprisde it came straight up Glen Cove avenue, but was delayed by a defective traffic light and cars kept stopping not realizing the light was malfunctioning. It was a diesel Orion, 598 and it had ice cold A/C. The driver said that LIRR crossing gates were stuck in the down position and could not go down Sea Cliff ave and Glen street.
There were defective TSL's all over the place. After eating in Greenvale I took an N20 for a real slow ride to Manhasset. I thought I'd have time for the bookstore, but it took 40 minutes to get from Greenvale to Plandome road. Wires were down blocking a W/B lane.
So I decided to get off and take an N21 back home. I waited at Plandome road about 1 hour, there was terrible eastbound traffic, all the lights were timed wrong so that when one turned green the next one turned red, much worse than usual. Would've been better if the power just stayed out!! That back-up from the bad lights must've been all the way into Great Neck. N.Blvd is just getting to be a parking loy and IMO much worse than the LIE.
The N21 did come an hour late and he has to do another run out of Glen Cove an hour late. And the W/B buses getting the delays and bunched, many were SRO out of Plandome Rd.
The traffic problem here on the north shore is getting really, really bad.
Would the route operate entirely via 14th Avenue, or would it turn onto 86th, then 13th?
SAME AS THE B1
While travelling today on New Hyde Park Road (during the torrential downpour), I saw an N25 in passenger service enter the parking lot area of Lake Success Quad. Is this normal service to the facility? Or was the driver doing someone a favor by pulling into the complex so the passenger wouldn't get soaked in the rain?
If recall correctly am and pm rush hr trips on the N25 it does that.
If recall correctly am and pm rush hr trips on the N25 run thru the quad.
Riding the X15 tonight, saw Nova 9096(or 9086) with UP decals heading to Brooklyn via the LL of the VZ bridge. Any idea why this was in SI?
Most likely a training bus returning home.
BIG AL
For those that have ridden MCIs know that the normal sound of the MTA MCIs stop request bell is a chime. Sometimes the chime will hum or chime again and again and again.
Tonight, had bus 1986 on the X15. The bell made a completely different sound. The only way I can describe it is that it is a chirp that sounds like the chirp feature on my Motorola Pager. (For those that have this feature on a Motorola pager, listen to it and that's what i'm talking about.)
Is the MTA changing the bells from the chime that hums or rings over and over again to this chirping one?
Personally, I miss the ding or dink of the Fishbowls and the older Orions and RTSs.
I have seen pics on this site for the NYCT Inspection car. This yellow car looks like it is an old GM OLD LOOK or MACK that had its bottom cut off and placed on a flat subway car. Is this correct?
It's been discussed here before. The car incorporates the top of a GMC "Old Look" bus.
David
Today 6356 was put out for one round trip on the M7's (6 Run). I believe this may have been the first trip for a hybrid out of Mother Hale. About 10 operators so far have received training on the equipment.
Well, so much for 8033 & 8034. I noticed I haven't seen them now for about a month. I figured that maybe I was just missing them since there were only two. I just came back from vacation and still haven't seen them all week. So today I asked some of the maintenance employees about them and sure enough they have been shipped back out. 4132 got the big hee-hoe also. The problem is nobody seems to know where they went and I couldn't find a foreman around to ask. One maintenance employee told me that both 8033 & 8034 were giving us nothing but problems so they could have been transferred to one of the major CMF's for extensive work.(repowering maybe?) But 4132 which came in with them left also and that bus didn't give us any problems, nor as you guys know, will it be repowered. Somebody posted last week that 8034 was on the shuttle, but both 1990 TMC's got the boot before that, so I don't see how that is possible. I'll try to find out some juice next week and keep you guys posted as where they wound up, or maybe they went back to Gun Hill?
BIG AL
According to the bus rosters, they went back to GunHill Depot. Why 4132 went back up to GH is a mystery. I guess TMC buses don't fare well with Jamaica Depot as they got rid of 4873, 4875-4880 to Flatbush and now 8033 and 8034 to GH.
I never saw these buses during their visit to Jamaica Depot-same went for 4132. All 8000s will get repowered so I assume that's where 8033 and 8034 are now.
#8977 Q17
MTA-NYCT #8033 & #8034 been back from Jamacia Depot to Gun Hill Depot over a month now.
Peace
David Justiniano
Well, I guess those rumors about more 8000 series TMC's coming to Jamaica from Gun Hill have been put to rest.
Speaking of being put to rest, that fate could be in store now for bus 4349. While operating on the Q42 Thursday, the operator was pulling out of the bus stop and was hit by a student driver in a driver training school car. The lower left side panels were torn off and it looks like part of the chassis was bent. The bus has been parked on the defect line and not been touched since. No word on what happened to the car that struck the bus. Once again I'll let you guys know on what happens with 4349's fate.
BIG AL
I had to go to E. Orange to enlist for a summit. The PATH sprint was envigorating as usual. Then came the fun: tyring to figure out which bus gets me to Central Av. (E. Orange) from Newark Penn. The lady at the info desk wasn't much help (she kept giving me the wrong routes and schedules), and I couldn't find much at the NJ Transit customer service desk either. I wound up going to the bus drivers themselves. The driver for the #5 Kinney told me to take the #44 Tremont to Central, then transfer to the #24, both of which were contracted lines to Coach USA/ONE Bus Inc. (why?)
After seeing the schedule for the #44 Tremont (30 min. headways), I asked another driver about the #24. He said that I could get it from Broad and Market, only a few blocks away. By then it was 12:25, and the next Orange - bound #24 was at :31. So I hit the ground running.
I get on ahead of a big crowd at Broad and Market. The seats on the RTS coach (3107#) were more like express seats rather than NYCT locals. The ride was nice, and the Cummins engine on that bus (as well as the one I took back, also in the 31070 series) was both quick and quiet, in contrast to the noisy sounding DD series 50 on #9484 on the Bx 8.
At this point, I came to this conclusion: Cummins powered RTSs are better high speed performers, while DD powered RTSs are low-end champs.
I noticed the same thing when I ride on 9140-9149 out of FP.The Cummins powered buses have better speed and a smoother ride
Then what's wrong with the Orion Cummins (NYC)? A DD can kick the pants off of a Cummins Orion.
Maybe it's because Orions aren't very good buses. I used to like Orions, but not that much anymore. And some people think they can beat an RTS but I beg to differ. An RTS gives a smoother sturdier ride, and sound much better with most buses engines (6V-92, Series 50 and Cummins). Plus I think RTS's are faster.
RTSes are definitely quieter with any engine. I think a lot of it has to do with thicker walls and soundproofing. However, I always preferred a bus that makes a louder engine sound; I like to hear what's going on back there.
-F.
Actually, I'd have to say that honor goes to your favorite bus, the Flxible. The Flxs we had were VERY quite on the insode. Combine that with a smooth ride (when the road was in good condition) and it seemed as if you were flying! Of course, on the outside the some Flxs were VERY loud including the 870s. But those were equipped with 8v71 engines. The Flx Metro As we had were pretty quiet, but some were equipped with a very loud engine. It sounded like an Eagle 10 at idle and when it pulled off, but then it would start to make this VERY LOUD sound like air rushing out of the exhuast pipe at 500mph. It was loud, these buses could be heard before they were seen. Some RTS also had this engine as well. Perhaps a Flx fan can provide some insight on this.
The Flxibles that had this engine were.....
2201
2211
2216
2221
2233
2246
2247
2311
2350
2353
Hmm...yeah, our Grumman 870 (1979) at the museum is pretty vocal in the engine department, which I like. Meanwhile, the Flx Metro "B"s at Blacksburg Transit (1987; still in use, BTW :) with the same 6v71/Allison V730 setup is more muffled; in fact, the transmission is heard a lot more in those. Once again, it must have something to do with soundproofing as the design progressed.
-F.
Sounds like the noise is caused by a restriction or a leak in the exhaust system before the silencer. I experienced the same thing with ST Gillig 9601. Even with the silencer, I always thought the 71 engine was loud.
Are you referring to the Orions with a C8.3 engine (290-series) or the CNG Orions with the L10 engine (581-610)?
Yeah Cummins do well in those RTS's. I never rode one but when one went by me on the Q58 in Flushing I noticed it was queiter and it flew down the street.
I sure wish we had the same luck with our Cummins at LI Bus. Well actually the Cummins powered CNG Orions we have at LIB idle ALOT smoother than the new 300s with the Series 50G. The 300s do seem quite noisy with the A/C on, much worse than the Cummins.
But our Cummins have trouble on hills and overheat. But perhaps that's just a LI Bus maintainance problem. Or Cummins and Orions don't mix as some people have pointed out. Orions aren't very good buses to begin with.
I wish LI Bus got RTS's instead of those crappy Orions, with Cummins engines just like NJT. I rode on one of the RTS's with the Cummins engine at NJT and it was fast, and the A/C was much better than the Flxibles with the 6V-92.
I always liked the 6v92s. Does the engine really make a difference with the A/C? Also, the fact that some run Freon and some have R134a may be a factor. At what point was Freon phased out in transit buses for the latter?
-F.
[The seats on the RTS coach (3107#) were more like express seats rather than NYCT locals]
They are not high-back seats, but regular cushioned transit seats. Of course, much better than the plastic seats in NYC. Both NJ RTS orders have the same seating whether the bus in in service for NJ Transit or contracted out to one of the private operators. The NJ Transit Flxible buses that were ex-NYC Grummans generally also had cushioned transit seats, although the Flxibles that went to the privates often had blue plastic seats like in NYC. The last NJ Transit Flxible transit buses (1750-19xx) also have cushioned seating, although my personal experience is that those cushioned seats often seem to have deflated somewhat.
Having been fortunate enough to ride many transit systems throughout the U.S., I find it interesting how some cities are able to use and maintain very comfortable cushioned seating while other cities wouldn't dare try a cushioned seat in one of their city buses.
A lot of that has to do with increased vandalism, especially in larger cities. In fact, even here in tranquil Roanoke, Virginia, vandalism on transit buses has increased horrendously over the past few years, even to a point where Valley Metro had to place public notices of the situation on every bus last summer. Graffiti plagues the back of many buses; even worse, some jerks have even taken the liberty of slashing through the seats and removing large chunks of foam. And even worse, the maintenance staff has to take time out of their busy day to reupholster every single coach when it happens!
Roanoke has run buses with cushioned seats for years, but unfortunately due to the damages of late, they will have to go with hard seats on their new bus order. This is sad as we live in an area where transit is mostly shunned by bureaucrats who are exclusively stuck up their cars' butts, and the actual ridership makes up only 2% of the entire metropolitan area. As a result, buses only run on the hour (on the half hour during peak service) with no nightly or Saturday service due to the fact that not enough people support it (and these are the same morons who claim that bus service sucks; maybe if they rode it more often, that might change!). Even worse, the people who DO rely on Valley Metro for getting around sure as hell don't show appreciation when they desecrate the service by ripping up the insides of the bus!
Hardened seats, while necessary, could possibly dwindle an already low ridership even further due to discomfort (After all, this is the South, where in the general public, comfort takes priority over all). Personally, I prefer the softer seats, but the fabric-lined seats coming in the fall aren't that bad. In fact, nearby Blacksburg has always had hard seats (college town, go figure, probably for the same reason). Their older Flx Metros and RTSes (my personal favorites), otherwise good-looking buses, have tan and brown plastic hard seats that pretty much make you feel like you're sitting in a Waffle House. However, their New Flyer LFs have nice, maroon and grey pattern cloth-covered hard seats that are actually somewhat comfortable, making them more appealing to the rider. Who knows, perhaps the new seats won't be that bad after all. However, vandalism is what brought them to us. Hope that answers your question.
-F.
The Cummins ISC (8.3 liter six cylinder) and Detroit Diesel 50 (8.5 liter four cylinder) are very comparable engines. What makes the difference is the rest of the powertrain. NJT uses a well-geared ZF automatic, that provides much better multiplication in the low end, and gets the bus off to a much faster start. One of the downsides of the V730 series Allison automatics was they had very closely spaced gear ratios, and all were pretty high.
NJT began using cloth cushioned seats on their transit buses with the 1983 Flxible Metro order (1300-1464), and have used them ever since. It's a public relations tool to NJT; comfortable seating regardless of the trip you take, and of course, the cloth doesn't get as hot or as cold as vinyl or hard plastic in summer and winter.
By the way, the 24 and 44 routes are NOT owned or contracted by NJT. They are fully independent routes owned by ONE Bus. This was a very unique "trade" in the Newark area, and was made in December of 1986 (I still have the original article from the Star-Ledger that outlined the deal). ONE Bus bought out almost all of the small operators in the Newark area, then agreed to drop the 16 Clinton, 18 North Newark, and 50 First Street in Elizabeth, in exchange for full rights to the 24 Orange-Newark-Elizabeth and 44 Tremont. NJT monitored ONE for 6 months, then turned over full ownership authority. Part of the sale included permission for ONE Bus to use the NJT tri-stripe as their paint scheme, and they must match NJT fares and accept all NJT transfers and passes at all times. In fact, when NJT applied for fare increases, it was listed as a dual application for NJT and ONE Bus. (Obviously, NJT hasn't changed its fares in over 10 years.) When Coach USA bought ONE Bus, the buses were repainted in CU stripes, and a "3" was added to the front of the NJT fleet numbe
The thing I found interesting was that while NJT still charges $1 base fare, ONE Inc. charges $1.50 base, with increases of 20 cents per zone. Now, you said the fares had to match. Do they still? Or was there some underhanded deal cut?
Possibly that stipulation either ran out, or was eliminated when Coach USA bought ONE a few years ago.
You are correct and thank you for that information about the transmission issue. ZF and Voith transmissions have shown up in buses just for that reason and also because of fuel effeciency. The ZF's and Voith's when coupled to a Detroit Diesel Series 50 or Cummins C or M series the fuel effeciency will increase compared to a Allison VR730 series.
Peace!
DaShawn Pretlow
www.transitworld.org
Cummins may be a faster and quieter engine, but are not as great quality wise. If you go down to Cummins in Newark, you will see why. You will see a whole lot of NJT owned buses over there. Detroits have a whole lot more quality than Cummins. Thats my personal opinion. At the same time Cummins engines have tendencies to overheat often. Cummins did have a recall on some of the engines on the 1999-2000 Novas.
Overheating is a matter of the vehicle manufacturer, not the engine manufacturer, because Cummins doesn't supply the radiator.
I own a Cummins - the B5.9 in my Dodge Ram pickup. To Dodge's credit, they use the same radiator with the Cummins as they use for the V10, which has 4 more cylinders and 33% more displacement. In this week's heatwave, temps well over 100, in stop-and-go driving with Max AC cranked, my temperature gauge NEVER cleared 180 degrees.
Wow...what a neat truck! I LOVE those Dodge Rams. I'll bet that thing is like driving your own private paradise. Hopefully the new 2002 styling won't hurt sales; personally I prefer the current bodystyle.
-F.
Well I know generally Detroit Diesel is the more reliable product, I'm not gonna argue with that. But the Series 50 which is their newest product used in most buses is kinda rough, especially in the Orions. It is only 4 cyl. Why only 4 cyl? Most bus engines are 6 cyl.
The 6V-92 seems quieter and smoother than the series 50 IMO.
The Series 50 is only 4 cylinders because it's simply 2/3ds of s Series 60. Detroit Diesel simply took the 12.7 liter Series 60, cut off 2 cylinders, and presto, 8.5 liter 4 cylinder.
Why didn't MTA put a Series 60 in the buses instead of the Series 50?
To save fuel and please the E-freaks, and sacrifice performance?
Because a Series 60 in an RTS is overkill.
David
Then what about on a D60HF? Considering that the Series 50 on that bus has to do a LOT of work.
This is just for comparison, The Series 50's on the Neoplan AN-460 don't seem like they are overworked, I don't know how they are on hills though. Neoplan does offer the Series 60 on it though.
This is true; you'd think a 4-cyl. would only be practical in a smaller bus. It always amazes people when I tell them that a 40-foot bus passing by is only powered by a four-banger. You'd expect at least six! However, a friend always reminds me that those our four VERY BIG cylinder walls that produce a massive amount of torque. So what. They STILL sound like freaking lawnmowers. Give me a 71 or 92 Series over that crap any day. They sound more like a real bus.
-F.
The series 50 seems like a rough engine. I liked it at first, but Cummins are smoother. The series 50 is 4 cylinders, which doesn't help matters. I wonder what the series 60 sounds like.
Probably smoother. The car my dad has came with a 2.2L 4cyl engine, and it knocks and bangs like crazy. I heard that the 3.0L V6 version is smoother. Therefore, I'm beginning to wonder if the crudeness (or otherwise) of such a small engine accounts for its roughness.
Very well so. Your comparision sounds like my argument between the Series 50 and the 6v92. I assume by displacement that those are Chrysler engines? I used to have a Dodge Lancer with the 2.2 four-banger; it was very slow, buzzy, and thrashy. The 3.3L V6 in my Dodge Intrepid, in contrast, is very quiet, responsive and smooth, almost like a V8. And DAMN it sounds good when you mash on the gas a little! Maybe that's why I keep getting these stupid tickets...that never happened in the Lancer. Oh well, maybe I should stick a Series 50...er, 2.2 in it...that will solve the problem.
-F.
When I said 2.2L 4 cyl and 3.0 L V6, I meant the Camry. Although the comparison still oculd apply to other cars.
Oh, I see; that's ironic as both displacements are found in Chrysler products as well, the first a 4 cyl, and the latter a Six. Is that the same for the Camry, I assume?
-F.
Yep.
Our new Gilligs are coming with Cummins ISD engines; they are 6 cyl. powerplants and are supposedly powerful. Anyone know more about these engines and how well they hold up?
-F.
I always wondered that same question about the Series 60. Also, I recall the later 1997-99 Gilligs of Grand Rapids, MI, to be quieter and smoother than our Series 50 1994 models here in Roanoke. I wonder if the Rapid was running Cummins engines?
-F.
Hmm...I wonder how that applies to Gilligs. Our 1994 models have the Series 50 (four-cylinder), while the 2001 models arriving this fall will have a six-cylinder Cummins engine (I believe it's called the IST?). It sounds to be a powerhouse but we'll have to wait and see.
-F.
NJ TRANSIT's website shows, on its holiday services page, a #304 Pathmark Shuttle. What is this route, where does it operate? There is no mention of it on NJT's regular bus schedule page.
Where can I obtain nyc bus maps from the 70's and 80's?
On ebay. Enter "bus map" in the search line.
OK, this one was a blast! A group of 18 or so met up this morning (Trevor, me, Mark-N-Ride, DaShawn, KayBee, and other assorted people) at 9AM, we all got on a R142 2 train at 72nd street and took it to Pelham Parkway just because it was a new train. That was a nice ride, then we got a Bx12 bus to take us to 207th street, where we met up with two other people (Charon and Frankie) at the downtown 1 platform and we boarded the 1 train. We got off at 137th street, and walked to manhattanville. We all knew that 6360 was reserved for us, and low and behold on 133rd street, you could see it parked outside! The cameras went crazy and the mouths were wide open, both drooling and yelling. We walked to the entrance on 12th ave, and the two people that hooked us up with the trip got a hold of the guide, we all got vests and we boarded 6360. Damn that thing is fast! It has such a smooth ride! All of us were not expecting this, but the bus was headed to Quill! Down Broadway we went to 110 or so where we switched to West End Avenue, which became 11th at 59th, and took that down to the depot. Let me tell you this, that was fun just riding it! Now we entered the depot, toured the place in the bus, and went up to the roof where we switched the destination signs like crazy (Tevi...) and got pics, then we boarded an artic, toured the depot in that, and it pulled out onto the highway, where we took it to 57th street, and went to 11th and went back down, where we went back to the depot's roof. We boarded 6360 and took it back to MHV, 41st to 10th, Amsterdam to 73rd, broadway up...MHV tour, where we went through the bus wash, got a pen, a MHV cap, a wheelchair key retractable key-chain, and a depot sticker (which added to the Quill one we got). So I won't go into the details of the tour, because I can't remember every detail, one of the other people that attended the trip I'm sure would be glad to add. We split from MHV and most of us went to McDonalds, ate, and went to the 1, where the rest of the group went to the uptown platform of 96st, took a R142 up to wakefield, they are still there now I believe, while I took the 1 to 86 and walked home. Overall Rating: 10+
Fun fun fun!!!
Any other people that were there are asked to contribute shiat that I missed.
I'm not responsible for grammatical or spelling errors, blame my spelling monkey that is on my shoulder!
I arrived home about 45 minutes ago. It was nice meeting you guys again. That was my first time on 6360 and it did not dissapoint. I had a lot of fun. My "friend" had a good time as well. After McDonalds, the two trip orientators, another guy from the group, my friend and I jumped on the Bx15 across 125St. My friend and I got off at St.Nick and caught a R38 "A" express train down to ENY. That R38 ride was a great one. Im sure Trevor and others will have more to say and the pics to show........
M60#6360Mike
M79#1049Mike
M103#6353Mike
I find it amazing that people were drooling over an RTS bus after the flack they get around here sometimes. But then why should I? It IS an RTS after all.
Well, I stayed with Trevor and Kevin Barsky and some others.
We rode an R62A on the 1 line. We were about to wait for a northbound R142, but got a southbound one instead.
Rode in car #6625. We were going to get off at Fulton to grab a #4 up to Bklyn Bridge and catch an R142A #6. Instead, we went to Borough Hall to catch the #4 train, rode #1438 (oh, BTW, 1431-1434/1438 was connected to #1586-1590, a five-car Yankees set) to Brooklyn Bridge and hopped on R142A car #7290. Took that to Pelham Bay Park. We saw 11 trainsets total in service on the #6 line.
I went back down the 6 line while Trevor, Kevin, and the rest of the crrew went to take an NYBS MCI Classic down to Manhattan.
FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN! We had a BALL!!!!!!!
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
The 2nd Annual TransiTALK trip was a great sucess. Thank You To All That Attended. We shared a great ride, great laughs. We must do it again! A Special Thank You goes out to Mike Glicken, John Pappas, The Manhattanville & Quill Maintenance Staff.
Group Photos
Again, Thank You To All That Attended. Those that didn't attend REALLY missed out!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
I agree! Great trip! Great day!
Where are you trevor?
ANd I am RELLY Think that the Ornage Things the people was wearing MADE them look like they work for the TA!! LOL!
Either that or they were doing community service...LOL! Bad boys, bad boys...whatcha gonna do...whatcha gonna do when they come for you....
-F.
Trevor, what are those roof-mounted appendages on the RTS? A/C, I assume? They look really neat on the bus, and kudos to the builder for installing them towards the back. Kind of gives the bus a retro New Look/Bus-O-Rama feel. A real "Forward" look. I like it.
-F.
Those are the generator(battery) housings.
Battery housings? Is that some kind of experimental hybrid bus? How many more of them are in service? I've so many RTS buses, but never one like that.
At the moment, only one (6360). There are four more (6361-6364) scheduled to be built and delivered.
I sure did. Next time please consider arranging it for a Sunday. (I can't guarantee that I can make it on a random Sunday, but I can guarantee that I can't make it ever on a Saturday.)
I must say... it was fun snorting a 10 oz. can of apple juice in 5 seconds... then gently placing my used vodka... um... juice bottle outside the train.
I thought buses weren't allowed on West End north of 72nd except where the crosstowns turn (107th to 106th, 97th to 96th, 87th to 86th, formerly 81st to 79th).
cross post from subtalk
per official Station Division Bulletin SD289-01 second addendum
a second shuttle bus starts 8-13-01. Runs from DeKalb to Grand Street. Hours are 6am- 930 pm daily and all weekend from
6am Friday to 6am Monday.
Bus Stops: Flatbush and DeKalb and Chrystie and Grand.
**no route info was given**
I posted the Dekalb Shuttle Route Info
My Philly Trip is now eather Next Saturday or The Saturday after Next Saturday b/c. The weather for This Sunday for NYC Calls for RAIN! And in Phily. They getting ALOT Of RAIN AND THUNDER! So the Philly trip date have been move b/c due to those Reasons!
I have a 1998 LI Bus map which lists a JB (Jones Beach) 24. I checked the MTA web page. Today, there's NO JB24. Does anybody have any information on what the JB 24 was?
Michael
P.S. JB24 is listed on the map but NOTHING on the reverse side that describes each route. HMMM!!
JB24 was a summer-time only run from Jamaica to Jones Beach. The only time I saw a schedule was about 15 years ago and it only had one or two trips per day in each direction. I believe it followed the route of the N24 through Queens and western Nassau.
A few years back, LI Bus cut back their Jones Beach service to just the routes from Freeport and Hicksville/Wantagh.
CG
Thanks for the info. According to the map, JB24 ran down the Wantagh Parkway instead of the Meadowbrook. Since the bus was coming from Jamaica, it seems strange the trip would be lengthened instead of taking the shortest route. I guess the MTA wanted to give the passengers the most for their money. LOL
Michael
Saw her running tonight on the Q41 Howard Bch bound at Jamaica and Parsons .Looked real sharp ,guess GBL is installing them in sequential order.
You're probably right. GBL seems to be installing them in sequential order. And at the fast rate they are being installed, they should all be completed in about 20 years.
BIG AL
You're joking, right?
DOT should just make an NJT - like super order of RTS - 06 to finish off the GMCs (still hanging in there for GBL, Triboro, and Jamaica), and order those new signs with them. I'll take about five years, but hopefully it will be worth it.
My guess is that the new signs will be on the 140 that is coming in and that only 719-722 and the 95 TMC RTS-06's will keep the original luminators.
Correction,I mean the 93/94 TMC RTS-06's
Add buses 5502 5504 and 5506 to that list. Saw these 3 today on the Q60. I assume all of the GBL 5500 Orions are getting the Orange Signs-about time GBL did something.
I wonder if the 1100 TMC's will get the Orange signs too? Saw 1167 with a broken sign today on the Q60.
#1167 Q60
#5504 Q60
I don't think they will unless they are going to change 719-722 from the green Luminator to orange as well(actually it would be nice to see them fit them on the Classics(like what MSBA did with its Gillags and Orion V 581-599)
Add 5508 to the list, too. Saw it on the Queensboro Bridge (Q60).
Are you sure the orange signs are from Luminator? I thought they were from Ballios, but I could be wrong. (Then again, I haven't been into GBL territory in a long while.) In any case, they'd be a major improvement over those hideous Vultron signs.
They are Luminator,I had 5501 last week and it had a Luminator ODK
Thanks for clarifying, as I had no idea that Luminator came out with such a product. In any case, I think the Luminator LED signs - at least from a viewing standpoint - are far superior to the Twin Vision and Ballios LED signs.
Is it my "WebTV" or is there a problem here? I see no messages. Anyone?
I think their was a problem again,was getting site not responding message the whole morning and not just on BT or ST either.
Ive never seen this before. WHATS GOING ON???? Where are all the postings?
I have SUBTALK - its OK
BUSTALK - I have posts up to 8/4/01 17:15 - then ones today saying no messages.
I thought they were moved to the archives. So I checked the archives. They're NOT their either. I wonder where they went.
Michael
Looks like a CGI database crash. I'm sure the files are backed-up on tape. I recall this happened here last year also. After some time, the posts were re-installed manually. Anyone else recall the occurance?
Anyway, glad to see BusTalk back up and running smoothly :-)
Caught #8455 on the B16 today with FLA Stickers and saw #8457 on the B69 route on Thursday. I know both buses are FLatbush. Did Flatbush give up these buses to JG becasue they got the 5000's from ULP. If so, why arent the 9300's going to Ulmer Park as expected?
On Mill Avenue and Avenue T, there are 2 new bus stops signs. Both for the B100 in either direction. They have Guide a Ride boxes there, but no schedule. As far as i know, there is NO stop like this along any Command Bus route. Is this a fluke, or is there to be Guide-A-Ride posted along all the route of the b100?
well...maybe the mta is taking over that route
MTA (whether through NYC Transit or otherwise) is not taking over the B100.
David
well. The DOT does.
It actually means one of two things, since NYCT is NOT getting the B100 (and that's a fact):
1. DOT is experimenting with Guide-A-Ride-type schedule information; or
2. Somebody made a mistake.
My vote goes to #2, but maybe someone with a little more insight into DOT's operations can tell us for sure.
David
Several years ago there were Guide-A-Rides for the Q10 (Green Bus) on Lefferts Blvd. at Liberty Ave. IDK if they are still there.
Those were also posted at Leff. and Hillside Aves. and close to Met Ave. some years ago.
I saw a few on Liberty Avenue for the Q112 route.
its still there. there was alos one for the Q112 on Liberty Avenue and Lefferts Boulevard as well.
I don't understand something. An article in the newspaper says they are putting up new Bus shelters in brooklyn as needed. That's all well in good, but what about customers waiting for express buses along Broadway in Manhattan? Doesnt those customers expect shelters too?
Someone posted on TRANSITALK's message board that UP is CLOSING???? Any validity?
None whatsoever.
David
Hello David,
Do you have any information on the future of Jamaica Depot, such as geographic relocation or rehabilitation timeframe? The rumor-mill is abundant again...
Thank you
Sorry...haven't heard anything lately about the future of Jamaica Depot. The MTA Capital Program has $5 million in 2004 for design work on a rehabilitation.
David
Thank you, David
Saw this bus on Skillman Ave and 53 St with a Not in Service sign in the front and about 3 passengers on board. 3 minutes later, I saw a Q32 going along Roosevelt towards Penn Station. Anybody know why 8474 was on Skillman Ave with pasengers on it?
#8474 Q32
Its possible that the driver may have forgotten to change the sign. Or some drivers who are close to ending their line put that sign on early or possible that the bus could just be dead heading to the end of the line. But, I think its probably a driver's error or even if the sign doesnt work.
I bump into this photo of a Articulated ETB Bus and it's something I NEVER SAW Bafore!! Here's the photo that I saw.
it apparently looks like a light rail car that has been converted to a paggenger bus with wheels.
If the poster read the information shown on the web site the photo came from, they would know it's for a movie. Specifically, The Hunted, scheduled for 2002 release, starring Tommy Lee Jones.
-Hank
It's a pair of Portland (Tri-Met) Crown-Ikarus 286 artic buses to which fake LRV ends and fake trolley poles/pantographs were grafted for movie filming.
I picked up today at Babbages Software a Transit Operations Simulator "Traffic Giant" by Macmillian Software Copyright 2001.
It allows for operation And/Or Ownership of Bus, Subway, Light Rail/Tram & Commuter Rail Lines. I have not yet played it, but if you have played it please post comments here.
More Info available at
www.macmilliansoftware.com
www.trafficgiant.com
Looks like we lost some messages. I restored what I could.
For messages posted while the database was screwed up, you'll see weird stuff (like messages with incorrect "headers"). Sorry.
Where are the Long Beach Trip Photos?
There in Dave's hands with my write up.
Although mine are gone ... were on the first 1/2 of a roll of film that the 2nd was wedding photos of my son's bride to be getting ready at my house ... got a little crazy & the roll vanished.
Mr t__:^)
Ever since I can remember, the buses came with painted wheels, until the 400-680s Orions and then the Novas (not the 4900s +). These buses have chrome wheels.
Why all of a sudden change the wheels to chrome? I personally like them better.
But something weird.
Why mix and match the wheels.
Point in case - 9332 - has chrome front wheels and then painted white rear ones. Also, some of the buses that had chrome wheels in the beginning now have painted ones and vice versa.
According to the MTA, the chrome wheels are not suitable for NYC streets. It's better for LIBus and NJTransit because they travel a longer distance. NYC buses keep stopping and starting and it takes a toll on the tires themselves. That's why the are switching the wheels from chrome to white painted wheels.
Ray
I believe you mean Alcoa aluminum wheels? Those are frequently installed on newer buses (and retrofitted onto older ones) to cut down on weight, reduce heat and wear on brake pads, and give the bus a better look as painted wheels get nasty and chip over time.
I, for one, think older buses look better with painted white wheels (i.e. Flx New Look, Metro, RTS), while newer buses from Gillig, New Flyer, and the like benefit in looks from Alcoas. Each bus just seems to fit with the prescribed wheels better than with a crossover. For example, most TAs order Gilligs with painted wheels and they look like crap. California, on the other hand, order their Flx New Looks in the 1970s with Alcoas, and they just don't look right. And much to my horror, our Flx New Look at the museum is being restored with non-original Alcoas. Yeech.
-F.
I noticed something today as I was on a MCI right behind a Command Classic 439. Where the engine compartment is and opens up, the split that has the hinges had some room to see in. It appears that these buses have circle brake lights underneath as I saw a brake light on while he was braked. Why double lights?
I always thought they were there as additional brake/hazards in the event that a bus broke down on the street and the engine door was opened.
Wayne
NYCT has announced the new S93 route, a limited service to run from 86th St. & 4th Ave. in Bay Ridge to the College of
Staten Island Victory Blvd. entrance. Service starts on 8/27/01.
From the S.I. Advance -
http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/997711201153650.xml
I thought service would be more frequent --- only 3 AM trips and 3 PM trips.
I posted this from the Agenda
What are the readings?
This service is not listed in the new Brooklyn bus map for August 2001.
I saw this Geico commerical that has a piggybank walking down the street. As it does, a Flxible Metro-D runs off the street and onto the sidewalk. Now, this bus was white with a blue stripe (similar to the MTA NYCT buses). It had a symbol on the front like it said "MTA" in the blue circle but I could not see it because the bus was far away from the camera. Anyway, this bus could have been what the MTA ordered before Flxible shut down. The order was suppose to be 50 Metro-D buses with the DD50 engine and no box on top like what the NJTransit buses have (1750-1976). They would have been numbered 1900-1949 BUT since Flxible closed, the MTA got Orion buses 631-680 in 1996. Staten Island would have gotten the Flxibles and then transferred to Casey Stengel. I thought I share this with you guys.
Ray
Georgetown Shuttle Service
Beginning September 4th!
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The Georgetown Metro Connection serves all Metrobus stops in Georgetown, and operates express service between Georgetown and Foggy Bottom-GWU, Rosslyn and Dupont Circle Metro stations.
Route 1, the Wisconsin Avenue Line, travels between Georgetown and Foggy Bottom-GWU metro station via Wisconsin Avenue NW, the Georgetown Waterfront and K Street NW.
Route 2, the M Street Line, travels between Rosslyn Metro station, Georgetown and Dupont Circle Metro station via the Key Bridge, M Street, Pennsylvania Avenue, L Street and New Hampshire Avenue NW.
Buses leave every day, every 10 minutes
Monday-Thursday: 7 a.m. – midnight Friday: 7 a.m. – 2 a.m.
Saturday: 8 a.m. – 2 a.m. Sunday: 8 a.m. – midnight
Fares are inexpensive
$0.50 one way $0.25 with a Metrorail transfer
Wow! Thanks for this info; I feel that I have fallen behind the goings on at WMATA.
A few questions:
1. Will these two new routes affect current Metrobus service in Georgetown? I am especially concerned about the continued existence of the 38B, and I hope that these new routes do not give WMATA an excuse to reduce service on the 30-32-34-35-36 line.
2. Do these routes have 'official numbers'? "Route 1" and "Route 2" are not exactly the kinds of route designations I have come to expect from WMATA.
3. Are the DC-funded 3700-series Orion IIs game for these routes? I would think that this is a service targeted at tourists, yuppies, and other people who do not necessarily rely on transit. If that is the case, WMATA would be wise to use a more attractive type of vehicle on these routes.
4. Is there some sort of special joint funding arrangement for these routes? What inspired these routes? Why now when people have been complaining about lack of transit in Georgetown for decades.
Thanks. Any other insight is appreciated.
¡Viva WMATA!
4.
Prehaps no more game than the 35'Gillags.
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My inquiry was regarding the fact that the 3700-series Orion II, uh, buses, were purchased with special funds directly from the District of Columbia and thus are marked to be used on DC routes. I am wondering if the Orion IIs were purchased for specific routes which DC wants to fund, or if it is OK to use them on any route within the District.
I am not sure that the Gilligs (5080-5099, which are 30 feet in length) are under the same funding/operating arrangement. Let me know if this is the case...
If you check the MTA Web site they have posted under service advisories the new X-21 and X-22 express routes
Thank You
court case involving the awarding of south shore routes is due to be heard this thursday. judge may issue an injunction and this could affect these lines. hanley vs atlantic express now has the entire city council on hanleys side and from last weeks si advance the judge may be leaning the same way.
I hope that Hanley wins.
For public transportation in the city, I personally think the MTA should be doing it. I think Atlantic Express should remain doing what they do - CHARTER, and personal runs, like the Showplace special.
Hanley is making quite a mess. The terms of the deal stated that the MTA and Atlantic Express needed to start at the same time. If Atlantic can't start their permanent routes, an extension will probably be made for the temporary routes.
Oops, that right. BOTH temporary routes run on top of the X21 and X22 services and the original deal stated that none of the private routes should overlap the X21 and X22. That means that Hanley and the City Council may now have contributed to the compromised performance of the X21 and X22.
For the record, I am not a fan of Atlantic Express. I would personally like to run those buses myself, but maybe next time:)
It just seems that these politicians and Hanley don't understand what this could do with the commutes of around 2,000 people, which should be everybody's priority but they don't seem to show up in these conversations.
I don't expect it to affect the NYCT routes. The lawsuit is only seeking to block the private carrier.
-Hank
Today on neoplan 3127 that bus was the slowest and blow out a lot a smoke.
On what route was #3127 was on?
106
Supposedly, according to a driver i was talking to on the B64,Ulmer Park is supposed to be getting the 9300's and maybe the 9400's from Flatbush within a month or so. I don't understand why they are waiting so long. Rumor from the driver is that these buses are to replace the 4700's or 4800's that will leave. Any info on this?
B1-#9295
B64-#7515
Read previous posts on this issue. Apparently the TA is doing a swap bet FLA and UP. FLA'a 9300s and 9400-9432(?) for UP's 5075-5099. The word is that the TA wants all of the buses with ZF Ecomats together, like when they were at GH.
Actually, in terms of which 9400s Flatbush has, they have buses #9400-9444, not 9400-9432. I went down there and saw the depot one day.
CWalNYC
Actually FLA have 9382-9439. They originally had 9382-9443 but 9440-9443 is at ENY for some strange reason.
Besides, they only need to give up 25 buses. (9382-9406?????)
B2#9401Mike
B31#9415Mike
B41#5089MikeLimited
B44#5093MikeLimited
B46#5099MikeLimited
B49#9432Mike
B78#8444Mike
I thought ULP was losing their 4700's or 4800's. If they do, then FLA would have to give up #9382-#9439.
But then what would FLA have to replace those buses? I think FLA needs much those buses more than ULP do....
ULP is currently putting the 9300's express buses on their local routes. they are currently getting scrattchi on them. Imagine what these buses will look like once school begins.
9307-B64
I got a Question. Is it possable to get a ElDorado on 105 on a Saturday? And how often a ElDorado runs on 106?
Here in Phoenix bus routes are On the Major Streets and go from End to End (E To W Or N to S).
But Would this work for some NYC Streets For Example
Broadway From Battery Park To Bronx/Westchester County Line
Joe Dimaggio Hwy/Canal Street East to M-Bridge and South On Flatbush Avenue To Kings Plaza
Atlantic Avenue/Columbia Street Brooklyn East on atlantic Ave/94th Avenue To 165th St Terminal Jamaica
Joe Dimaggio Hwy/Spring St East to Bowery then South to Delancey St Then East Over Williamsburg Bridge cont on Broadway To Broadway JCT Then East On Jamaica Ave To Little Neck Pky/Jericho Tpk
There may be other Long Streets In The City that a Single Bus route may be usefull. or would a single route be useless in NYC.
A single route along major roads would be useful, but not possible.
Bus bunching, scheduling, TRAFFIC...
and they'd have to have locals, limiteds, and super-limiteds (expresses for a buck fifty.)
Plus, can you convince B/Os to spend possibly an 1:30 dring along one street from one end of the city to the next?
I don't see the point (except as an exercise in the hypothetical). Most long trips are by subway (certainly anyone going from Broadway in the Bronx more than a mile or two into Manhattan would take the subway), and predominant travel patterns often involve turns.
Manhattan's crosstown routes (with some exceptions) do basically run from one end to the other of a single street, with adjustments at either end to turn and, if relevant, in the middle to reach the Central Park transverse.
The only route that those this is the Q60 (Queens Bl.) all the way.
Other routes include the S78 (Hylan Boulevard, a very long distance)S62/92 (Victory Boulevard), M15 (1st and 2nd Avenues), M11 (Columbus/9th Avenues), B44 (Nostrand Avenue) and Bx1 (Grand Concourse). There are no doubt others, but I don't think the streets are as long end-to-end as the ones noted above (and the Q60 - Queens Blvd.).
Utica Avenue/Malcolm X Blvd: B46.
And not anymore, but before: M10: 8th Avenue-CPW-Douglass Blvd.
Oh, and Richmond Road/Arthur Kill Road on the S74.
the only others i know of are
b3-Ave U
B41-Flatbush Ave
B68-Coney Island Avenue
B44-Nostrand Av
B46-Utica Av
B25-Fulton Street
b3-Ave U
Bergen Avenue and East 74th Street
B41-Flatbush Ave
This one is totally not a whole street route. There's Avenue V to the Marine Parkway Bridge and Livingston Street to the Manhattan Bridge.
If you ignore the fact that north of Fulton, it's really "Flatbush Avenue Extension," it still wouldn't work.
B68-Coney Island Avenue
B44-Nostrand Av
B46-Utica Av
B25-Fulton Street
Totally not a whole street route. That street under the J/Z between Jamaica Avenue/East New York Avenue and Crescent Street is Fulton Street, but no B25 there.
How about the B-17 Remsen Avenue route which operates from one end of Remsen Avenue at Utica Ave to Seaview Avenue on the other end
Thank You
Good one!!! How the hell I let the B17 slip me by.....
B17#5221Mike
Not entirely. It could continue across 59th and 60th Streets to West End Avenue, but it doesn't (nor should it).
The only buses in Bklyn I can think of doing this is:
B6:Bay Parkway
B8:18Av
B15:New Lots Av
B25:Fulton St
B35:Church Av
B37:3Av
B38:Dekalb Av
B44:Nostrand Av
B46:Utica Av/Malcolm X Blvd
B60:Rockaway/Wilson Av
B68:Coney Island Av
B69:Vanderbilt Av
I think I got them all in Bklyn.
(There are also honorable mentions)
B6:Bay Parkway
What about between Ocean Parkway and Avenue J?
B8:18Av
What about between Cropsey Avenue and the Belt Parkway?
B15:New Lots Av
B25:Fulton St
B35:Church Av
B37:3Av
B38:Dekalb Av
B44:Nostrand Av
B46:Utica Av/Malcolm X Blvd
B60:Rockaway/Wilson Av
B68:Coney Island Av
What about between Brighton Beach Avenue and Riegelmann Boardwalk East?
B69:Vanderbilt Av
Also the B13 on Crescent Street.
I guess I should mention the B24 on Greenpoint Avenue. While it's short in Brooklyn, it is long enough if you include the Queens section.
I forgot about the B13. If you going to make a case for the B6,8,and 68 then the B15 should fit the bill as New Lots Ave continue for another two short blocks after the B15 goes onto Dumont.
Minor correction:
B15: Marcus Garvey Blvd/Lewis/Hegeman/New Lots Aves.
B35:Church/Hegeman Aves
B43: Tompkins/Throop/Graham Aves
Honorable mention: B63 5Av
I think I got it all.
Nope I havent. B1 and B49: Oriental Blvd.
Oriental Blvd aint so long.
I might as well add B100: Fillmore Avenue and B1: Brighton Beach Avenue
And why is the B63 only an honorable mention? Doesn't it run the whole way down 5th?
If the B33 was still around, then we could mention it. It ran the entire length of Hamilton and Prospect Avenues.
B63 does go down the whole length of 5Av. The B49 for Rogers Ave.
Also,
B67 runs the whole length of 7th Av.
M31 runs the whole length of York Av.
Bx15 runs the entire length of 125th St.
Bx12 runs entire length of both Pelham Pkwy and Fordham Rd.
S78 runs entire length of Hylan Blvd.
S74 runs entire length of Arthur Kill Rd.
Q44 and Q20A/B run entire length of Main St.
There are others, but I won't say nothing else.
CWalnYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
Also,
I forgot one...
M11 runs entire length of Columbus Av
And 9th
Although there's the 9th Avenue in Inwood, so...
I won't pick nits about blocks anymore, but:
B67 runs the whole length of 7th Av.
7th Avenue is split apart by Green Wood Cemetery. The longer part is on the other side, and it isn't even served by busses for the most part.
I should also mention:
The S78 skips a curvy part of Hylan by using the cutoff that is Steuben Street.
The S74 also runs along the whole length of Richmond Road and Targee Street.
M2 serves the entire length of Adam Clayton Powell Jr. Boulevard (okay, that's a stretch).
M6 serves the entire length of 6th Avenue.
M23 serves the entire length of 23rd Street (eastbound, I think).
M34 serves the entire length of 34th Street.
M42 serves the entire length of 42nd Street.
M79 serves the entire length of 79th Street, unless the FDR Drive entrance stub counts.
There are many others if you're willing to count the short streets, like the M1 on Park Avenue South, the M2 on Adam Clayton Powell Jr. Boulevard, the M3 and M4 on Central Park North, the M5 on Central Park South, the M8 on Christopher Street, the M9 on Essex Street, the M10 on Central Park West, and the M20 on Hudson Street and 7th Avenue South.
The M14A and M22 on Jackson Street if you ignore the FDR stub.
The M14A and D on their respective avenues.
M9 Ave B., M9 Essex Ave.(both directions, not just southbound), M14A Essex, M15 Allen St.
M14A Essex
No. Essex doesn't end on Grand.
Yes it does. South of Grand (contrary to popular belief, the dividing line is Grand, not E. B'Way), it's Rutgers St.
Nope -- unless NYCDOT, Hagstrom, and Essex Street Pickles are all wrong.
AH! I should have remembered Essex Street Pickles!
Sorry all, my mistake.
Thank you.
The dividing line is neither Grand nor East Broadway, it's Division.
M9 Ave B., M9 Essex St.(both directions, not just southbound), M14A Essex, M15 Allen St.
B26: Halsey Street
B57: Flushing Avenue
My thoughts for this is for convience of those passengers who will not ride the subway/El or for those persons with disablitys unable to climb the steps into the subway/EL.
There already are many bus routes, some quite popular (like the M104 and the M101/M102/M103), that spend much of their routes duplicating subway service.
No bus route (other than a bus substitute for suspended subway service) duplicates a subway line from beginning to end, though. There's really no point. The specific route traversed by the subway line is already available to most (granted, not all) passengers; why not offer some sort of variation on it for bus passengers?
Yes, there are some who cannot ride the subway, but there aren't enough of them to warrant their own bus routes.
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There was an article in the Business section of todays Newsday about Picture Cars company. The article is on page C-15 and goes on to detail how the owner rents and "decorates" the fleet of vehicle to meet the needs of movie and tv directors.
The article goes on to say that the company is located at 75 Huntington Street in the Red Hook Section of Brooklyn. One of the pictures shows the owner and the much discussed (here on Bus-Talk) bus PA 4199 is in the background. If you look through the bus there is another RTS either 2-3 spots away or it is a bus on a regular route.
The website is --- www.picturecarseast.com.
They have an extensive collection of vehicles from which you can do a search. I think that they own most of their stuff and also will broker vehicles for you if they know about them.
I also suspect that there is a picturecars west--but I didn't check it out.
Happy seaching.
Pleaase note---I am not connected with them in any way, just a bus-talker who is passing along some information.
That bus you saw in the Picturecars East article and numbered PA4199, is really ex-Castleton PA1648--a 1981 GMC-RTS 04.
Mark
I just saw a commercial on channel 7 about not scratching bus windows.
There was rap music and some ballet dancers (that's compatible) in front of an RTS bus. The camera lens was scratched and during the course of the commercial become less scratched as it was wiped off.
I can understand having commercial (even though I don't think it will help), but this goes down in the "I'd rather watch a test pattern" category.
They already tried this with subway trains a few years ago (if you watch Transit Transit News.) As you can testify to, that didn't work either.
The only thing that will prevent vandals from desecrrating our buses and subways is to send the bastards over to Singapore and release them to the brutal canings they deserve. Oh yes, and then force them to ride around in ice cream trucks, tinny music blasting, in the cold of winter, in front of a trigger-happy drug alley in the middle of the ghetto. That'll teach them for sure.
-F.
Why do the Manhattan crosstowns systematically avoid Riverside Drive? Until the M17 became the M79 in the late 80's, the southernmost crosstown to reach Riverside was the Bx15, which really stops underneath Riverside, not on it.
It would be pretty easy to fix this. Here are some possible routings:
M72: Can't extend, but the M5 takes care of this.
M86: West on 86th, north on West End, west on 87th, south on Riverside, east on 86th. In other words, shift the loop one block west.
M96/106: Three options. First option: West on 96th, north on West End, west on 97th, south on Riverside, east on 95th, north on West End, east on 96th. Second option: West on 96th, enter northbound Henry Hudson Parkway, loop to southbound HHP, loop back to northbound HHP, exit at 96th, east on 96th. Third option: West on 96th, enter northbound HHP, loop to southbound HHP, loop back to northbound HHP, exit at 95th, east on 95th, north on West End, east on 96th. The third option sure is strange but it's the most flexible of the bunch, allowing passengers to reach both 96th below the viaduct and Riverside (and the M5) on the viaduct. Both westbound and eastbound passengers would be allowed to ride through the loop. (Yes, all NYCT buses have permits for the HHP, and the interchange is basically two turnoffs on the NB side with turnarounds to and from the SB side, so the move is simpler than it may sound.)
M116: West on 106th, north on Broadway, west on 107th, south on Riverside, east on 106th.
All but the last eliminates those annoying left turns off of Broadway.
I know how the others turn around now, but how does the M20 M116 turn around?
There's a bus loop or something at the intersection of W. 106th & Broadway that the M116 uses.
The bus goes over the GW bridge into Jersey and turns around before the toll plaza.
Michael
Yeah, okay I'll buy that one. Lol!
Ray
Right on Broadway, left on 107th, immediate left again on West End (almost a u-turn), left on 106th. The same as the M96/106, M86, and old M17, except that Broadway meets West End at 107th.
I don't see how anyone could think it goes over the George Washington Bridge, which is about four miles away. (My second time riding the M98 I thought we were about to cross the bridge, but there's a last second turnoff into the bus station.)
Hardly anyone uses the M79 to Riverside.
And hardly anyone uses the other crosstowns to West End, but that's only because nearly everyone wants to go to Broadway. Even if not a single passenger wanted to go to Riverside, I think it would still be worth it just to eliminate those awful left turns off of Broadway. There's also the transfer to the underused M5; that might draw a few passengers.
[M116: West on 106th, north on Broadway, west on 107th, south on Riverside, east on 106th.]
Um... That routing is physically impossible (which you would know if you'd ever been there). West 106th and 107th Streets don't actually intersect RSD; they meet only the service road, which is 15 feet wide and about 10 feet above the main drive.
The M116 COULD do the following: 106th, right Broadway, left 110th, left Riverside Drive (main roadway), left 108th, right Broadway, left 106th. However, the NIMBYs will scream until the cows come home. Besides, there's already a "walking transfer" privilege - from Broadway, just walk along that last block of 106th (where I grew up) and down a flight of steps to the M5.
Duh. Of course. I've certainly been there before (I live a mile away) but I guess I'm getting forgetful.
If the buses can fit, send them on 106th to the RSD service road to 108th to Broadway to 106th, or on 106th to West End to 105th to the RSD service road to 106th.
I cannot understand the objection to buses running on an existing street. They're really not all that noisy and they might come in handy at times.
Yes, there's a walking transfer, but I thought the point of riding the bus was to minimize walking. Why should I have to walk to the M5 when the bus could take me (nearly) all the way there?
(How long is the block from West End to Riverside on 106th? The length varies widely from block to block.)
[If the buses can fit, send them on 106th to the RSD service road to 108th to Broadway to 106th, or on 106th to West End to 105th to the RSD service road to 106th.]
The buses cannot fit. The right turn into 105th is very tight for anything larger than a station wagon; the turn from 105th (30 feet wide and parked on both sides) into the RSD service road(15 feet wide) is impossible for a bus (40 feet long). Even the turn from 106th into the service road is very difficul - during my 28 years on that block, I helped LOTS of misguided bus and truck drivers back up to West End Avenue.
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[I cannot understand the objection to buses running on an existing street. They're really not all that noisy and they might come in handy at times.
Yes, there's a walking transfer, but I thought the point of riding the bus was to minimize walking. Why should I have to walk to the M5 when the bus could take me (nearly) all the way there?]
Legally, Transit may run a bus on any street (that can physically accommodate a bus) within the 12-county MTA district. At the same time, extending a route for the sole purpose of extending it is fiscally irresponsible (especially if there's no current or latent demand), and introducing dangerous and difficult maneuvers would serve only to expose Transit to innecessary liability. (DISCLAIMER: These opinions are mine alone, and not those of Transit or my former neighbors on 106th Street.)
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[(How long is the block from West End to Riverside on 106th? The length varies widely from block to block.)]
That block is about 500 feet long (about two "short" blocks or two-thirds of a traditional "avenue" block.)
If they can't fit, then forget it. Those service roads are quite narrow in places.
I still think crosstowns should go all the way across, barring difficult maneuvers as here.
Okay, next question. Why the traditional left turn off Broadway? That's one of the more annoying streets for even a car to turn off of, and it can't be any easier in a bus. Wouldn't it be easier to go left-right-right-right or even left-left-left-right than the current right-left-left-left? The M116 makes some sense as it is. The M96/106 wouldn't be able to do l-r-r-r without diverting to 93rd Street, but l-l-l-r would do fine. The M86 should use 85th instead of 87th, and it would have made sense for the old M17 to come east on 78th. Incidentally, before the block of 81st between Amsterdam and Columbus was reversed, did westbound buses ever not bother going down to 79th from Columbus to Broadway when 81st ran straight through?
[Incidentally, before the block of 81st between Amsterdam and Columbus was reversed, did westbound buses ever not bother going down to 79th from Columbus to Broadway when 81st ran straight through?]
I have a 1946 Manhattan Bus/Trolley Map that shows the New York Omnibus Company's #17 route (today's M79) as follows:
Westbound out of Central Park via 81st, left Columbus, right 79th, right Broadway, left 81st, left West End, to 79th.
Eastbound via 79th, left Amsterdam, right 82nd, right Columbus, left 81st, into Central Park.
I know that was the route. Except for the reroute from 82nd to 81st when that one block of 81st was flipped eastbound (around the early 70's, I'd guess -- anybody know for sure?), that same route was used until the M79 replaced the M17 in the late 80's.
I always found it strange -- yes, even though it's the 79th Street crosstown -- that westbound buses ran two blocks south from 81st at Columbus only to turn back off of 79th back to 81st at Broadway. I know nothing of the sort was on the official schedule, but did any buses in fact simply go straight across 81st from CPW to WEA to save a few minutes? (I'm looking for anecdotes here, not maps.) Now such a move would be impossible, since 81st is eastbound from Amsterdam to Columbus -- and it would also be pointless, since the M79 doesn't turn via 81st anyway.
[Why do the Manhattan crosstowns systematically avoid Riverside Drive? Until the M17 became the M79 in the late 80's, the southernmost crosstown to reach Riverside was the Bx15, which really stops underneath Riverside, not on it.]
In the case of the M116 (formerly M20), the geometry of Riverside Drive itself gets in the way - a narrow service road about one flight above the main roadway.
The former M19 (now M96/106), M18 (M86), and M17 (M79) probably avoided RSD due to NIMBYism and/or conflicts between the New York Omnibus Corp. (crosstowns) and the Fifth Avenue Coach Corp. (M5).
In fact, it wasn't until no more than 12 years ago that "walking transfer" privileges were created between the M5 and the crosstown routes (including the Bx15 via a stairway from the viaduct).
Riverside Drive residents do not like the buses going through their neighborhoods. When I was a operator in Amsterdam we were forbidden from using Riverside Drive to deadhead between the depot and 79St (M79). Operators who did it anyway were usually reported by residents on riverside drive who would catch the bus number.
[Operators who did it anyway were usually reported by residents on riverside drive who would catch the bus number.]
How would the residents know the bus they saw was not an M5? I doubt if they were bus fans!
Well, for one thing, the deadheads wouldn't have an M5 sign up.
And apparently they're not bus fans, if they were, would they be trying to get buses OFF their streets? ;)
Lousy NIMBY's.
I see artics on Riverside Drive all the time. Are the NIMBYs north of 79th louder than the ones south of it? (Amsterdam, where you went, is north of 79th; Quill, where the artics go, is south.)
4448, Stengel's only RTS, has been parked next to the burn-victim Orion for two or three weeks (at least during rush hours; I think it hasn't moved). Anyone know if it's out of service permanently?
4448 is there in any case of a Broke down bus,Short of Buses,things like that.
NYCT #4448 been out of service over a months now & i don't think that bus is not going out on the road again & look to me like #4448 is done. BTW One of the Gen. Supervise told me & the drivers that Casey Stengel Depot really need more buses because next months they will adding more service Peace
Peace
David Justiniano
Yesterday at Veterans Stadium (before "Turf-gate", which almost sounds like a page out of SEPTA's book of dirty tricks), while buying tickets for the Phillies/D-Backs game, I spotted two of Academy's new D4000s (leased by NJ Transit), 8607 and 8608. Interestingly enough, the headsign on 8607 read "Willingboro Plz via Westhampton". I didn't realize that Academy could use it's NJT-leased buses for out-of-state charters. I recall a few months ago when the issue of CUSA/Rockland seeing their new MCIs delayed after some dispute over using the new buses on Tappan Zee Express service, so I found this spotting particularly interesting.
[I didn't realize that Academy could use it's NJT-leased buses for out-of-state charters.]
DeCamp frequently uses its new D4000's in charter service, although most of the times I've spotted them doing that is on weekends. I don't know the precise rules in NJ, but I've been told that charter work with state-provided buses is OK as long as you have sufficient buses to provide scheduled service.
The specific wording is, federally funded buses supplied to otherwise independent operating companies cannot be chartered during standard weekday rush hours.
When the Port Authority was paying for buses in the 80s, their charter rule was, PA-owned buses could not be chartered outside of a 75 mile radius of New York City (the PA's legal maximum authority) unleas previously approved.
Well then, I guess Academy might have some problems by using 8607 & 8608, since I think those buses were probably there to take the Phillies (oops, I mean the National League East-leading Phillies) to the airport to catch their charter plane. And this was around 3-4 pm on a Tuesday afternoon, so that's gotta be pretty close to rush hour, right?
3 pm should be ok... IIRC, the Fed defines PM rush as 4:30 to 7. Doesn't take that long to go from the Vet to Philly International, so Academy could get them back in line service by 4:30.
When I was in Boy Scouts years ago, I rode one of the 5200s MCIs leased by NJT to Academy to Summer Camp, which was in Ten Mile River, NY. - Charter Run
I saw that the L.I.R.R. are using shuttle buses to help commuters between Hicksville and other points east of the accident. They apparently are using school buses and i did see a Long Island Bus. Is suffolk and HART helping as well?
On Fox 5 10 PM News last night. It showed:
2 Harrman MCI 102A3's.
2 School Buses.
And a LI Bus 1991 Orion5.
And it could be possable that Suffolk Transit and HART is doing the SHUTTLE.
I have never seen HART used as shuttles. They only have 16 buses in the fleet and most are 35-footers. Also have never seen Suffolk Transit equipment. Could be that the buses are not allowed to do charter service just like the NYCDOT buses operated by the privates.
also caught sight of a Gillig bus doing the shuttle on the news. did not catch the number though. Does LI bus still have Gilligs in garage?
Urgh, school buses. Those things are death draps for adults.
Channel 7 followed commuters on the Huntington line today. The story was on the Channel 7 11 o'clock news. Anyway at Hicksville station were SEVERAL LI Bus Gillig Phantoms. And the news boarded #544. It definately looked cramped, and the driver wasn't familiar with the route plan and how to get to Huntington station. Needless to say LIRR riders used to their comfortable LIRR ride looked unhappy. Well at least they didn't have to ride a school bus (even though Gilligs suck they are still a notch above school buses).
I posted awhile ago I saw several Gilligs at the LI Bus Garden City depot. This is the first time I've seen them IN SERVICE since then.
I never see them in regular service but I guess they are used for special runs.
As long as MSBA is not considering to throw them back into regular service.I'd rather see them get some more NYCTA equipment as they have done in the past.
I thought the LI Gilligs were retired? I guess not if they are back in service. I just saw some photos today of our new Gilligs going down the assembly line; the first one was completed, looking good, and should arrive here later this week. Basically it looks the same as the 1988 models it will replace but with minor safety and appearance improvements.
-F.
I suspect the LI Bus Gilligs are retired from active service, but some are held in a reserve fleet for emergencies like LIRR shuttle needs.
True; KAT in Charleston, WV still has 3 Flx Metro 30-footers for the same purpose.
-F.
This is correct. About 20 are kept as the reserve fleet for emergencies. However, a rumor has it that consideration is being given to assigning them all to N20/21/27 seervice, so QTraindash7 will have more negative things to post.
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Do you have the photos of the Gillig that Valley Metro is getting?
I don't have them at the moment but Valley Metro does; I'll see if I can't send some soon. The buses look basically the same but with various upgrades in lighting and destination signs, including new rear signs (a first for VM) and LED lighting, along with possible door and lift changes. All in all, the buses look good.
-F.
Oh yes, and the first bus should arrive in the next week. I may be able to take photos of it at that time.
-F.
Urgh, school buses. Those things are death draps for adults.
If by adults you mean all living creatures, then yes, you are right.
They are also dangerous for children, but since they are smaller, it isn't as cramped. School buses are death traps, and should be banished forever. Children deserve the same comforts and safety as other bus riders.
Whoa whoa whoa. Hold on just a second. I hate school buses just as much as the next transit bus fan. I think they are unsightly, uncomfortable, and certainly seem unsafe. The fact is, however, that school buses are statistically, far and away, the safest mode of road-based ground transportation in existance. They are designed in such a way that in the event of an accident, passengers will be seated snugly in seats and not move that much at all. The thinking behind it is like eggs in a carton. The school bus industry is watched very closely by the federal government. School bus manufacturers would not dare skimp on safety; the government would shut them down.
Transit buses are near the top of the list of safe road vehicles, but school buses are very, very safe. I'm sorry it has to be that way.
You are 100% right. School buses may not be the most, er, visually pleasing buses on the road, but there is no disputing the extremely high safety standards adhered to by their manufacturers.
Having said all that, you may want to check out Thomas' website and see their latest school bus models. One of them has a gorgeous windshield that rivals most modern transit buses.
Do you realized that a most school buses are really just box trucks painted yellow with seats installed?
-Hank
I think the Saf T Liner windsheild is a bit loud for a school bus, i like the older designs better.
Well I still think they are unsafe. I remember seeing reports on the news about the poor chassis design. Also when school buses get into accidents there is quite extensive damage to the bus. In many cases of higher speed collisions, the body gets ripped off the chassis fairly easily. Transit buses are constructed differently, definately alot more sturdy than school buses.
Certain transit buses that are made by school bus manufacturers, like Gillig and Thomas, are basically retrofitted school buses which explains their poor ride and construction.
You're good at stating your opinions, but can you state facts. On average, school buses can last twice as long as your average transit bus. Basically that's 20-24 years. And, if they are so unsafe as you say, why has the design been the industry standard for more than 70 years? You may not like school buses, but don't pass off your opinions about them as fact.
On average, school buses can last twice as long as your average transit bus. Basically that's 20-24 years.
That's highly variable by region. Here in Michigan, school buses are supposed to be pulled after ten years of service. Some districts hold on to odd buses from a larger order until they reach maybe 12 years old, but it would be almost unheard of in Michigan to see a fully active school bus older than 15 years.
The classic Crown school buses from the 50s and 60s still seen in California and some western states are the exception. Those were constructed exceptionally well and continue to be rock solid vehicles. I could be wrong, but I tend to think that there are not very many school buses from the 70s and early 80s still around anywhere.
...but don't pass off your opinions about them as fact.
I'm glad to hear you say that, 4054. ;)
Oh, come to Houston and you'll see plenty. Half of my districts fleet is comprised of buses from the early eighties. My district only has about 250 buses though. But, the neighboring HISD has about 500 buses that are built from the late 70s to early 80s. Also, we just got rid of our last 1974 Wayne Conventional buses last year at the ripe old age of 27.
I know that my school district just replaced most of its old buses, I'm not even sure how old they were, but they were really old, probably from the 70's and 80s. They still even have some of the old models around in regular service today.
Anyone that has ever ridden on a school bus knows that the ride is very harsh because it's based on a truck chassis. I wish the manufacturers would offer a air ride suspension as an option at least. Safe as they may be, I like buses on a pusher chassis better.
Their engines make as much noise as a truck, whereas a transit bus is much smoother sounding.
I wonder what kind of emmissions control those manure trucks have.
The worst thing of all is that most school busses are not air-conditioned.
Quite a fitting vehicle to deliver young, curious children for modification into drones at the cerebral laundromat.
The fumes in school buses made me sick when I went to school.
Actually, you get more fumes from a transit bus. Most school buses are/were powered by propane or gasoline. It's only recently that districts have been buying the diesel powered buses in mass amounts.
Not true. Diesel-powered school buses in large numbers have been common for quite some time.
Perhaps where you live, but not in Texas.
Due to this emissions law thing made in 1988, the school buses have more emission control. But at least at my old school district, the buses really let out a lot of smoke.
No wonder why all of you hate gillig. They used to make school buses!
Gillig used to make everything that ran on the street except for trucks. I really think that the Phantom could've made an awesome school bus though.
Then you might like what Krapf's does from time to time with it's Coatesville to West Chester run (probably the most unreliable bus line in the entire Philadelphia area).
When their two main buses - 1998 Thomas TL960 #9810 & 9811 - are out of service, which happens quite often, a variety bus buses are put into service. I had heard a rumor that Krapf's new TL960 - #2110 - was out of service due to a fire, so that bus won't be used for a while. In the past, I've seen:
GMC RTS #7901 (yes, a 1979 RTS, which was originally a GM demo bus - this bus was recently put back into service after being out of service for nearly 3 months due to an accident);
MCI 102A3 #8703 & 8706;
MCI 102B3 #9003;
Blue Bird 35-ft Q-Bus #9604 & 9703;
Champion/Navistar cutaways #9813 & 9929; and when all else fails...
Navistar/Amtran rear engine school buses. (Krapf's also happens to be one of the larger school bus operators in Pa.)
Yes, school buses on a transit route.
What is a Gillig?
A large ugly piece of crap that thinks it's a bus.
Peace,
ANDEE
NEW Brooklyn and Manhattan Bus Maps are available for viewing and download (requires Adobe Acrobat).
Highlights are the new routing of the B70 in Brooklyn, via 92nd Street and Command Bus local routes (B103).
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/maps/busbkln.pdf
Enjoy!
You can also download the back now. That is a great idea.
Another good idea would be to put both sides in the same pdf file, like on subway and bus schedules.
Yes, to save on the HD for future reference.
There are some errors on the map, the B16 is shown to terminate on Marine Avenue, when it terminates at Shore Road and 4th Avenue. The Northbound B70 travels via Fort Hamilton Parkway between 86th Street and 78th Street, not 7th Avenue, and a few others.
The new Manhattan map does not include the two Grand Street shuttle buses. (I assume the same goes for the Brooklyn map but I haven't confirmed it.)
When did the X90 stop running to 110th/5th?
When did the M19 106th Street branch (M106 as of 1996) start using Madison and 5th instead of Lexington and 3rd?
The change was made in September 1995 when the TA cut bus service due to cut in state and city aid. Most of the changes were service reductions but they did make some route changes at the same time
Thank You
What were some of the service cuts and other changes made at that time?
IMO, the current M106 arrangement is better. More of 106th Street is served and Mount Sinai Hospital gets additional (convenient) service.
In Bklyn: The main ones were the B47/62=B43. B5/50=B82.
Also the B30 was eliminated.
Saw Grumman/Flxible 418 this morning signed on a roll sign with Express Bus, with a pipe out of the back of this bus, in the Jamaica bus scheme of maroon and beige - on the Gowanus Hump by the smokestacks heading towards 39th Street. What's up with this?
Ooh....very nice! Get some photos if you can. I'll bet it's still a good looking bus!
-F.
what do u mean by a pipe coming out of the back of the bus, was i service or not?
I wonder if it is now running for Private Transportation, Inc. or some other Orthodox Jewish bus company.
IIRC the B110 runs on the BQE/Gowanus for part of its run from Boro Park to Williamsburg (Steve--Mr. FDNY can you confirm?)
There have been previous postings regarding another orhodox operator that runs buses into Manhattan, to WTC and the Diamond District.
FROM WHAT I KOW I BELIEVE PRIVATE HAS 407 AND 416 I HAVEN'T SEEN 418 THERE THOUGH.
TONE
Since we mention Grumman sightings...
Saw a Grumman Flxible (I think it was 870) on 57st between 5th and 6th Avenue. It had logo's for "COACH USA" and stopped at the bus stop at 57th and 6th going towards 11th avenue.
I was so stunned I didn't even jot the bus # down. I think it was 4031. I know it had all red lights (no "yellow" directional signal lights) and a poopload of black smoke out the exhaust.
flx7595
That Flx was probably Red & Tan 4351, they are the ones who operate the N Y Water way run in NYC now. They run a couple Flx's out there even the ex NJT ones too. Keep your eyes out for them.
Tone
From the sounds of the smoke and the lights, it sounds like a Grumman to the tee. Most likely it is a NJ Transit unit under the Coach USA program. IIRC, basically NJT pays about 1% of their revenues in order to carry the CUSA name on their buses in order to get discounts on parts and other services, not unlike Abbott Lines here in Roanoke. Some of their buses read "ABBOTT TRAILWAYS" for the same reason.
-F.
If any one want to apply for NYCT/MaBSTOA Traffic Checker Operation??? Go pick up the Application Form at 370 Jay Street,at the Information Center Lobby & 1250 Broadway 11th Floor, Employment Center. It will last until August 28, 2001 & the written test is on October 20, 2001. Starting Salary is $11.8325 an hours & you get 3 weeks training.
Peace
David Justiniano
what are the qualifications?
There is no Qualifications. BTW you can pick up the Application Form from 9am to 3pm at 1250 Broadway 11th Floor or 370 Jay St (Information Center Lobby).
Peace
David Justiniano
I suggest that NOBODY from this bbs apply! Because then we will have to endure more useless postings about 4488!!
And whats this crap about TCO/OP at the end of our names???
Awww... come on now! Give him a break. He's proud to be a NYCTA employee. He'll learn soon enough... LOL!
Anyway, as far as the job itself is concerned, let's just say there are better NYCT positions around. But if you want to get your feet wet (sometimes literally), this might be an opportunity for those fans who yearn for the NYCTA experience. Probably a good idea for those of you in school, who can work in the evening hours.
Don't you ever have a TCO/OP with you while you was a B/O Mr MaBSTOA????????????????????????
Peace
David Justiniano
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Read my lip TCO/OP mean Traffic Checker Operation/Operation Planning. That why i made it short on my Handle. Any Queation.
Peace
David Justiniano
Actually I have! In fact I even sometimes get a checker with me on my post at 146 St and Lenox Av. and in general checkers are like everyone else in transit, just trying to get through the day and pay the bills.
However one time I had a real LOSER of a checker with me on the M79's 4 years ago. He was assigned with me for the whole day, and all he did was trying to talk to my female customers on the bus. Not such a big sin but this guy was about 400 pounds and UGLY!
I had to tell him to chill out with the lady talk because I wasn't getting into no trouble cause of him.
Otherwise I have met really nice checkers and work well with them. Its just none of them put TCO/OP at the end of their names!
I posted this on Sunday but it got deleted somehow. Saw 8474 on Skillman Ave and 53 St with a Not In Service sign on her but it had 3 passengers on board. 2-3 minutes later, I saw another bus with passengers on it on Roosevelt Ave and 56 St going towards Penn Station. My question was what was up with 8474 on Skillman Ave?
#8474 Q32
Possible training bus????
Possibly laying up
Saw this bus yesterday laying over at 15 St and 10 Ave with all of its windows open. A dispatcher was the only person on board. Could it perhaps be on a layover or a standby? Those 1982 RTS Suburbans keep rollin rollin rollin.
#1826 M11
PS 3483 3489 4548 4553 4155 8492 9498 were in the front of Hudson Pier depot yesterday as I saw those on my walk on West St. Is that where they keep the defunct buses?
Don't know. I saw 3481 in service today by CPS 6th Av. Had the "Old School" numbering on the back (upper part of air conditioning unit) - and newer numbering everywhere else.
Flx7595
1826 was probably the 'parlor bus' for the relief point there
DO NOT PAY ANY ATENION TO MY WRITING OF THE WEB SIT I PUT UP ON 1 OF
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BY.AT AKA.FF
This Screen Name, D4000 Cruiser will be laid out to pasture within the week. Stay Tuned for the new Screen Name/Handle as it will be something to Stand Out!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Huh huh you said "laid".
Whats up D4000? When you coming by to Mother Hale to get some pics of the Hybrids?
I may drop by there on next tuesday!Let me know what you are doing via e-mail!
no7220onthe6@aol.com or tlogan@transitalk.com
Trevor
How do I change my handle?
Here is some full info on these Routes:
X21 Pleasant Point to Midtown Manhattan
Peak Period, Peak Direction ONLY: 6:20AM to 7:40AM Manhattan Bound and 4:05PM to 7PM SI Bound
Manhattan Bound will run (Starting @ Amboy Rod & Bedall St) via Amboy Road, Bloomingdale Road, Woodrow Road, Rossville Avenue, Arthur Kill Road, Westshore Expressway, Goethals Bridge, NJ Turnpike, Dyre Avenue, 34th Street, Madison Avenue, 57th Street (Terminating at 57th & 3rd)
SI Bound will run (Starting @ 57th & Park) via 57th Street, Lexington Avenue, 23rd Street, Avenue C, FDR Drive, West Street, Battery Tunnel, Gowanus Expressway, Verrezano Bridge, SI Expressway, Westshore Expressway, Arthur Kill Road, Rossville Avenue, Woodrow Road, Bloomingdale Road, Amboy Road (Terminating at Amboy & Bedall).
Sign Code 7220: X22 EAST MIDTOWN-57 ST, X21 via NEW JERSEY, X21 via MADISON AV
Sign Code 7220: X21 PLEASANT PLAINS, X21 via ROSSVIL, X21 via BLOOMINGDALE
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X22 Tottenville to Midtown Manhattan
Peak Period, Peak Direction ONLY: 5:30AM to 9AM Manhattan Bound and 3:20PM to 7:45PM SI Bound
Manhattan Bound will run (Starting @ Hylan & Craig) via Craig Avenue, Amboy Road, Bloomingdale Road, Woodrow Road, Rossville Avenue, Arthur Kill Road, Westshore Expressway, Goethals Bridge, NJ Turnpike, Dyre Avenue, 34th Street, Madison Avenue, 57th Street (Terminating at 57th & 3rd)
SI Bound will run (Starting @ 57th & Park) via 57th Street, Lexington Avenue, 23rd Street, Avenue C, FDR Drive, West Street, Battery Tunnel, Gowanus Expressway, Verrezano Bridge, SI Expressway, Westshore Expressway, Arthur Kill Road, Rossville Avenue, Woodrow Road, Bloomingdale Road, Amboy Road, Craig Avenue (Terminating at Craig & Hylan).
Sign Code 7210: X22 EAST MIDTOWN-57 ST, X22 via NEW JERSEY, X22 via MADISON AV
Sign Code 7221: X22 TOTTENVILLE, X22 via ROSSVIL, X22 via AMBOY
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X30 Sunnyside to Midtown Manhattan
Peak Period, Peak Direction ONLY: 6:30AM to 7:30AM Manhattan Bound and 4:30PM to 5:30PM SI Bound
Manhattan Bound will run (Starting @ Clove & Victory) via Victory Boulevard, Forest Avenue, Goethals Road North, SI Expressway, Goethols Bridge, NJ Turnpike, Dyre Avenue, 42nd Street, Madison Avenue, 57th Street (Terminating at 57th & 11th)
SI Bound will run (Starting @ 57th & 11th) via 57th Street, 5th Avenue, 42nd Street, Dyre Avenue, Turnpike, Goethals Bridge, SI Expressway, Gulf Avenue, Forest Avenue, Victory Boulevard (Terminating at Victory & Clove).
Sign Code UNAVAILABLE
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Hope This Information Helps You All Out!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
7210
X22 EAST MIDTOWN-57 ST, X21 via NEW JERSEY, X21 via MADISON AV
7211
X21 PLEASANT PLAINS, X21 via ROSSVIL, X21 via BLOOMINGDALE
7220
X22 EAST MIDTOWN-57 ST, X22 via NEW JERSEY, X22 via MADISON
7221
X22 TOTTENVILLE, X22 via ROSSVIL, X22 via AMBOY
Sorry About That
Trevor Logan
Hi Trevor,,where did you get this info,,my material came from the official documents
What is the X30 Trevor??
My information came official documents also, dated August 13th, 2001!
How recent is yours?
Regards,
Trevor Logan
The X30 is the replacement for one of the Academy Routes that they abruptly discontinued!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
The X21 & X22 Will Start Monday, August 27th, 2001! The X30 is set for sometime in September!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
I don't understand the reference to "Academy Cowards" in the subject line.
Academy Cowards, was stating that Academy basically pulled the service with little or no warning leaving people in dust. You don't do that to a passenger base!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
They've done it before. They never had a contract; they ran the buses initially on the basis of parasiting the TA routes. Eventually, they started asking their customers where they would LIKE to get on the buses; then changed their routes accordingly. During the summer, or during holiday weeks, they would pul buses off the commuter runs to make (more profitable) charter runs to Atlantic City, Great Adventure and the like. This was a major complaint about their existing service. When the subsidy contract was issued, they said the hell with it, and stopped all service.
-Hank
The Manhattan street is DYER Ave.
The x22 in its current form is useless. Neither bus goes downtown, but they duplicate each other on Staten Island. One of the routes should use Foster Rd to get from Amboy to Woodrow, and whichever one that is should go down Huguenot Ave to the West Shore. The Tottenville route should start at Hylan Blvd and Page Ave, and go south to Craig Ave from there (gotta check, but they SHOULD use Main St, but it may be one-way in the wrong direction) Judging by these descriptions, one of these routes is designed to fail.
Alternately, BOTH routes should use Foster to go from Amboy to Woodrow-more potential passengers.
-Hank
Well cry to the TA, this is finalized plan set to start August 27th. The X30 will begin in September.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Re-powered 8170 spotted in the Fresh Pond Maintance Facility early this morning. Look for 8171 to be next. This bus has been o/s for quite some time parked in a corner where the M train comes down to grade leaving Fresh Pond Road station.
Expect all buses (8000-8017 and 8100's) to get repowered.
Ray
The 8000's-8300's look funny with a Pipe sticking out the back.
Robert
Here is Massachusettes Bay Transit Authority's New Equipment Orders:
15 New Flyer C40LF CNG Low Floor Buses (Due Late 2001)
28 Neoplan Low Floor Trackless Trolleys (Due 2003-2004)
44 Neoplan Low Floor CNG Articulated Buses (Due 2003-2004)
32 Neoplan Low Floor Dual-Mode Articulatd Buses (Diesel-Eletric) (Due 2003-2004)
2 H.R. Ross/Volvo Experiemental Electric Induction Buses (Due Date N/A)
124 NABI 40LFW CNG Low Floor Buses (Due 2003 - 1st Protoype in 2002)
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Order Explinations:
The New Flyer C40LF Buses are your basic CNG Low Floor Bus by NFI, something similar to the MTA-NYCT's order. The NABI 40LFW BUses are your other basic CNG Low Floor Bus by NABI, something similar to the LACMTA order.
The Neoplan Order is a totally different story. The Neoplan models on order by the MBTA are nothing compared to what is sold by Neoplan USA. The Neoplan models on order for the MBTA are totally Neoplan Germany models (Model Examples: Basle & Lausanne Switzerland). The dual mode buses will carry Daimler-Benz diesel engines. The Trackless Trolleys will have A.C. Motors by Kiepe Elektrik (No Error in Spelling). The CNG Artics are costing over $600,000 per unit, The Dual Mode Artics are costing $1.65 million per unit, and the Trackless Trolleys are costing over $800,000 per unit.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
All these buses, and no Orions or Novas??
The (T) already has 400 or so Novas (well, 265 plus the 135 from TMC), so getting more Novas didn't make sense.
The (T) purchased two Orion VI diesel-electric hybrid buses. They will not accept an order from Orion again, because these VIs break down frequently and run as fast as a snail. They should have gotten Orion Vs, but they wanted to test diesel-electric technology...they learned that CNG propulsion was just as good.
BTW, Providence just received 20 Orion Vs. I'm planning to go down there during my vacation to "see how they run."
..I am an Ex-New Yorker living in Providence and have watched the ongoing conversion of our bus fleet . I have not seen the 20 Orions--could you be referring to the 15 new Gillig Phantoms that just went into service?
Along with new RTS's in our new sleek RIPTA paint scheme , the best surprise for me was seeing about 25 ex New York City surplus RTS 4000 series rebuilds working around the Providence area--good shape except for some scratchitti.
some great informative postings guys.......many thanks!
Hey; long time, no post :)!
No Gilligs in RIPTA; those are Orions (#01xx). BTW, I used to see a lot of the ex-NYC buses on weekends, but they now seem to be relegated to rush hours only since the Orions and 2000 RTSes came in.
I have some RIPTA Orion photos here (scroll to the bottom).
That's pathetic. They might as well have bought MCI Cruisers. Those buses better be no less than perfect for all of that money.
Hey...you might have a point there.
I can see MCI Cruisers on the Route 500 Riverside (that's off of the Mass Pike) and the Route 505 Central Sq Waltham, but not the 501 Brighton, 502 Copley, and 504 Watertown.
(And yes, I agree that the two Orion VI orders they had were two too much.)
What is electric induction?
Induction is a method of transfering energy over short distances without physically connecting the contacts.
I've seen technical specs for this sort of thing; they bury the supply side about 2" under the surface, and the vehicle using the power has a set of skids under it that remain about 6" above the road surface.
That's a simple explanation; to truly understand it, you need a degree in electrical engineering.
GM uses an induction system for the charging process of their EV1.
-Hank
Hey, Y'all!
Just in case y'all aren't tired of seeing 6360 photos, here are some you might enjoy, the majority from the Transitalk 2nd Annual field trip! (Most of the photos are by me, CWalNYC!)
Here's the link to the NovaBUS RTS-06 HEV Photo Gallery by me, CWalNYC a.k.a. CWMTA
Anyone who is a fan of the RTS, a fan of the diesel RTS, anyone who still has never seen the RTS hybrid before, and almost everyone here on BusTalk should see what's here! You might also want to check out how well the other photo albums are doing!
ENJOY!
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
The X30 becomes the first MTA express bus to travel to Manhattan via New Jersey in BOTH directions. Through the Lincoln Tunnel and onto the Gothals Bridge on Staten Island and Dyer Av to 42nd St in Manhattan. First time for everything.
Ray
Where's this X30 coming from? The X30 used to be the experimental Foster Road bus that got slaughtered by Academy in just three months because it ran through Brooklyn.
Is there something that I am missing?
From Sunnyside to Manhattan (11th Av and 57th St)
Ray
Hmmm, funny how this route appears almost one week after putting in a call saying that a private company was interested in doing this.
Hmmm, funny how this route appears three weeks after a dispatcher sees us testing a similar route. One particular bus driver on the X13 and S48 saw us three times.
Once again, proof that the threat of private competition is a big piece of making MTA MOVE.
Best wishes to those planning and/or working on this route. I am happy to see that my behind-the-scenes effort was not in vain. Now the people of the North Shore will get faster travel times.
Would you guys mind if I inform the people on the SILive website?
Inform them and tell them that the info came from Trevor Logan which is where MTA got his info from
Here is the Original post URL that his info came from:
Click Here
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Mission complete. Thank you.
Please specify which Sunnyside it is-Sunnyside is a section in Queens also. Thank you.
#8005 B24
Yes, this bus will travel from Queens to Manhattan via New Jersey, that makes sense.
Thanks for the on-line rubbish.
Thanks for the on-line rubbish.
You're welcome. I like to keep my number one fan satisfied.
i havent heard anything about such a route and i work for nyct.
BTW who proposed this route any how.
Thank You
I collect transit badges. Does anyone have any information of any shows coming up in the near future? Thanks!
There will be the tremendous railroadiana show at Gaithersburg, MD Sunday November 4.
There's also a show calendar at
www.classicrail.com/rrevents.html
Michael
Hello, there. I understand that this service began operating on 8/13. Does anyone know which depot(s) it operates from?
Hudson Depot
Ray
The DeKalb Ave/Grand Street Shuttle is operating from Jackie Gleason Depot.
The Canal Street/Grand Street Shuttle is operating from Hudson Depot
Thank You
Now that the X21, X22, and X30 are on the board...
Anyone have any routes that they would like to see the MTA operate, but they have not been willing to, on Staten Island?
I'm happy about the X30 (the latest addition), but let's use the momentum from the publicity over this whole Staten Island issue to get other things implemented while the window is still cracked.
Here's the plan. Let's pool some money together, run against the S59 and continue on until the light rail in Bayonne. Once they extend the S59 to the light rail, move those buses to run against X1/X10/X17, except extend it to Newark or JFK Airport.
Then we would have two firsts, an MTA route via NJ in two directions and Staten Island's first mass transit connection to the airports.
Impossible, due to the corruption prevalent in the Academy pullout and due to the mess that would be created by reviving the Ny/NJ rivalry, only this time it would be NY on NJ turf.
The Transit Authority will never do this for the following reason:
Its not in New York City. The Transit Authorities position is to provide service within the 5 boroughs of New York. Even through the TA has some limited bus service in Nassau County it basically serves City Residents who would end up walking from the City line to their destinations in Nassau County.
It is really the job of NJ Transit to provide service from Staten Island to points in New Jersey. The best that the TA should do is to provide transfer arrangements similar to DOT buses that now exist in Queens and Brooklyn.
For the last 12 years the TA wanted to extend the Bx 34 bus route into Mt Vernon. It never was able to do so.
To extend TA service into New Jersey is just not in the cards.
Thank You
so who is to provide the service. nj transit is willing to foot the bill for nyct expenses. this is just an excuse to give it away to some private company.
What about NJ Transit. It really is in their domain as they already provide service from points in New Jersey to New York City such as a bus from the PA Bus Terminal in midtown to Newark Airport.
It really is a shame that NJ Transit does not provide that service unless there is no market for such service.
Any way it is not the job of the MTA
Thank You
For their residents, not out of the sheer goodness of their heart (except 196/197, which originates some trips in NY to Midtown). But I guess we aren't there yet.
Amazing, isn't it? PA's paying the whole bill and NYCT still refuses to do it. Imagine, NJT enters New York, Pennsylvania, and Delaware to provide transit service for their residents, but NYCT won't go 10 minutes into unfamiliar terrirtory for Staten Island residents.
Half of the cars in the Bayonne lot have NY plates. Metro-North runs excursion services to Massachusetts WITHOUT any money from them. And to cross a bridge is SO difficult.
It's time for a regional transportation agency.
Metro-North runs excursion services to Massachusetts WITHOUT any money from them. And to cross a bridge is SO difficult.
Are you referring to the bus service connecting the Harlem Line at Wassaic with Great Barrington? The MTA may advertise - if not support - that service, but IIRC, that's operated by a private carrier.
In all due respect let the Port Authority do it. It was created as a Bi-State Agency for such matters.
I am not defending the MTA but it really is not their job to provide this service. Even though the MTA is a state agency the New York City Transit Authority is a city agency that was leased to the State. It really is not their job to provide inter state transit service.
Let NJ Transit or the Port Authoerity run such a service and the TA should provide connections and transfers within the City.
Thank You
Hey - maybe if NYCT had some of the PA1200s and other PA funded buses - maybe the PA would make NYCT do it
Yesterday, I saw two different buses on two different lines in Virginia with the same problem: both Flxible Metro 4065 and 9778 had "9A Pentagon" stuck on them. And in both cases, the "9A" was cut in half. I first thought that maybe since they weren't originally VA buses that maybe they are having problems programming, but I would think you could program any bus to say any route in the system.
Since I've been taking the bus all this week because my car was in an accident, I've been able to pay more attention to this mundane stuff. I also saw Orion V 3941 with the metrobus sign on the side replaced by "TAGS" which is a Springfield Circulator route. I had only seen that on 3900 in the past.
For whatever reason, I had a dream that 9489 (why this bus I dont know) had its sign replaced with the Balios Orange signs. I think I need to watch what I eat before bed from now on!!
Well, the Ballios signs would be a major improvement over those piece of crap Vultron signs on the 3900-4xxx Orions, now wouldn't they?
Here's hoping that WMATA gets a clue and replaces those signs when it comes time to overhaul those buses.
I think they'd look pretty sharp with the Balios signs. The ones in the 39-44xx Orions are already hard to read during the day and night. I was on I think it was 4225 not too long ago at night and you couldn't even tell the sign worked, but when it got to the stop, you could barely make out what it said. The light bulb underneath was fine, but the text was awful.
That's nothing! Walking from Union Station this morning, I saw a D8 (I'll have to start remembering the bus number) that had
"D8 Out of Service." Since D8 goes to the Washington Hospital Center, maybe the surgeons were going to fix the sign.
Michael
LOL, yeah, I've seen that happen on a couple of routes. Saw that on a 1B a while back.
The best ones are when you have to buy a vowel to guess where its going as the bus pulls up saying nothing but, "*******" or some other jibberish.
What's even worse is when the route # and destination don't correspond. Who do you believe?
Today at lunch I saw an artic right in front of a Orion going north on 7th Street at Gallery Place. The artic's sign read "7th & Maine" while the Orion had "Silver Spring Station" which was the correct sign.
It seems some drivers don't check the destination code before leaving the terminal. At times, I wonder if they check if they put their pants on before coming to work. If the pants had a code, probably not, LOL.
Michael
Sometimes this occurs because of a signboard malfunction, however. Most drivers will then rip up an advertisement from inside the bus and write the route number on the back.
What gets on my nerves, though, is when drivers -- by accident or negligence -- activate the "EMERGENCY / CALL POLICE" signboard. I've seen this at least twice in the past month, neither -- AFAIK -- for a hostage situation or event of similar gravitas that would warrant such a sign. Those should be reserved for actual emergencies -- otherwise, when there is one, it will be ignored!
C
Yeah, I've seen them do that too and write the route number down. It was just so bizarre to see the same mistake, which I've never seen before, on two different buses on the same day no less.
I know there was a fairly serious accident several months ago when that Emergency sign was on the bus and somehow it ended up running into a couple of the police cars that were investigating this. It turns out the driver had inadvertantly had the emergency sign on, so all this happened for nothing.
In other WMATA news, I see that they are using the Arlington Division, which is normally a M-F garage, to run weekend service. I was on 2158 and 2161 on the 1C and 1F today which I used to only see during the week. I saw various others throughout the day yesterday and today as well.
I remember on an Orion V in White Oak a while back it had "K6 Fort Totten" on the destionation sign and "Z8" in the number box (I think the front sign may have been blank, I'm not sure). The funny thing was that both the K6 and Z8 served White Oak, so no one really knew whether it was a Z8 or a K6, until the driver said it was a K6. The thing that makes this worse is that it was a new Orion (at the time), so these problems really shouldn't be occuring already. Apparently, WMATA might either have bad maintanance or programing skills on the signs, or that they are buying really bad signs. It's interesting, though, while the Metrorail seems to be WMATA's number one priority.
Last week - I saw a Metro E on the F6 displaying "F6F6".
Wayne
This just brought up a question I had to ask.
With their new buses, why has the NYCMTA chosen the Luminator FlipLEDs over the Ballios signs?
MTA Chairman Peter Kalikow has proposed that the Metro Card be expanded to the PATH System. I suggest that it go even further and that NJ Transit be included to make a regional transit card.
When I started to work in lower Manhattan I wrote TA President Lawrence Reuter and proposed that a an Wall Street Express Bus Service be started to/from Penn Station similar to the x-25 Grand Centrel-Wall Street Express. He liked the idea and nothing ever came of it. It is possible that their would not be enough ridership from LIRR passengers for such service. But if NJ TRansit passengers can utilize a Uni-ticket then maybe such a route can be started. This service would not require any additonal buses as the equipment to be used will be express buses that are deadheading to or from their respective depots such as on the X-25. A regional tranit hook up can make such a service viable. This concept could work here as well as the proposed Staten Island/New Jersey routes to the Bergen Light Rail and Newark Airport.
Maybe its time that someone look in to this
Thank You
Already under way.
It would operate similar to EX Pass - you would swipe a Regional Fare Card at the farebox or turnstile, and the appropriate agency would deduct their fare from your account. NJT and MTA-NY are already working on a proporsal, the PA would follow.
An example trip would be, get on a local NJT bus, swipe your card, driver punches in the zone charge on the register. Get to the NJT train station, insert your card in a TVM, and get a train ticket. Get to a PATH station, swipe your card at the turnstile, then grab a subway or NYCT bus and swipe the same card there. When you get your farecard statement, you can track your trip, showing the NJT bus fare, the NJT train fare, the PATH fare, and the NYCT fare in succession.
Who would ride an express bus from Penn Station to Wall Street when the 2 and 3 trains already get there in half the time for half the price? I can't imagine it would be very popular.
The X25 exists primarily for Metro-North customers. I don't think it does THAT well, but it does well enough to still be there.
You could make the same argument about the X25 and the 4/5, but the X25 has plenty of ridership.
Then again, the X25 does take the FDR, and I'd imagine the Penn-Wall would take streets.
The X25 probably does as well as it does because of the severe overcrowding on the 4 and 5 trains. The crowding situation is not quite as bad on the 2 and 3 trains, so I suspect an express bus from Penn Station would not do as well as the X25.
There are also alternates to the 2/3 to get downtown: the E to WTC, the A/C to Chambers and Broadway-Nassau, the 1/9 to Cortlandt, Rector, and South Ferry, and the N/R to City Hall, Cortlandt, Rector, and Whitehall.
How do actual X25 running times compare to those on the 4/5? Perhaps more importantly, which is more reliable?
For an express bus, it's usually pretty good, except the fill-in drivers don't realize that there are stops south of 42nd street on the bus, in which case, you're screwed (if you get on south of 42nd). Although, the regular drivers usually let you on at a few unofficial popular stops, which is very helpful.
There is a new bus cruising the express routes of Queens Surface today.
- Anyone else see it ?
- Do you know what it is ?
Get your cameras ready because it will be gone before you know it.
Mr t__:^)
Is it an MCI D4500 demo?
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
It's #1 & titled "MCI Commuter Demo", we added Queens Surface Corp.
Saw her going out just before 6:50 AM ... sorry don't know what route she's on.
Mr t__:^)
#1 was spotted this morning on the QM2A. Her riders looked very happy and comfortable. Of note is that the wheelchair accessibility door is similar to the NJT style where it looks like the door slides out and along the side of the coach.
So they assigned it to Clearview (QM-2A).
Wheel Chair Lift - Saw them doing a demo on it for a bunch of our drivers last week. It's a big sucker ... we put two of the biggest guys on it & it didn't care. It comes out of a hole on the side (near the two lights). The seats inside fold up, then you can push them back out of the way. The bus can take two wheel chairs at a time, one on each side of the isle.
Heard today that after us this bus is going upstate, so no chance of us getting a extension on the lease.
Mr t__:^)
Big change from the first two TA orders. Those buses have large swing-out doors for the lift. I guess someone suddenly realized there may not be enough clearance near the top of the bus to open that door.
-Hank
The Bus that QSC is holding down at a demo, has been at Baltimore MTA (While there was stickered up for NYBS), WMATA Metrobus and a few others,
Below is a pic of the "now" QSC MCI Demo @ the BMTA:
ENJOY!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
That's the one, looks rather nice.
She still in realy good shape inside & out for all the folks that have been playing with it.
Thanks for sharing the photos !
Mr t__:^)
Wow..so WMATA may be getting some D4000s? That would be interesting as they don't have any OTRs at the moment. Yeah, demos really get around...after being all over Virginia when it left Valley Metro, I found out that our Thomas SLF 200 demo made it all the way up to Toronto later that month. Bet it's really worn out now!
-F.
Is it a MCI D4501 Demo???? I saw a D4501 Demo when entering the Battery Tunnel tonight. It was on Greenwich Street.
It looked in all respects like a NYCT MCI - just not painted - had electronic destination sign in front and rear.
Also, had wording on the side painted on that said
MCI COMMUTER DEMO
Saw this Friday on the LIE. An MCI-Cruiser type, with Queens Surface lettering. Route sign said 'QM1A', but the destination stuff was too small to be legible (I was on the westbound service road at Woodhaven Blvd, the bus was on the eastbound road)
-Hank
Good eyes Hank ... yes we updated the Destination Sign module to show our routes ... had to drill 5 more holes in the floor so our farebox would fit ... anyone know how you get under the floor in the front (I do ... it's very interesting).
Mr t__:^)
You need to read the 'how to remove the bumper' section of the owners manual.
-Hank
Hank knows ... the bumper flips down via a lever inside a small door.
Mr t__:^)
is this bus to replace the MCI's for QSC? And if so, how soon before these buses get to Command,NYBS,or Liberty?
This is a TEST only a T-E-S-T.
nycDOT is still committed to a CNG only fleet, but is willing to evulate other options, particularly since NYTC is going that way.
There will probaly be another bus or two from other mfg. that we are asked to evulate for nycDOT.
So stay tuned to this Bat Channel for the possibility of something else strange on QSC routes. Meanwhile enjoy a ride on the MCI Cruiser if you can ... she went out this AM at 6:50 again.
Mr t__:^)
Is QSC or DOT considering artrics.
Been there, done that, years ago.
Don't know that they have given it any thought recently.
Mr t__:^)
RE: The artic demo from back in the day that you're referring to...
Would that happen to be the Crown Ikarus 286 (built as the Orion III in Canada)? I saw a picture of that bus on a web site which said it was photographed in College Point, Queens.
I forgot to add this in my original posting...
While the NYC DOT (for whom the demo was apparently intended for) rejected that bus, the Capital District TA in Albany (yes, Albany) bought 8 of these buses in 1983 - 800-807. Other cities that bought the 286 include Louisville, Jacksonville, Portland, Or., Milwaukee, San Mateo County, Cal. (SAMTrans), Santa Clara County (San Jose), Honolulu, and Houston. From what I understand, a few 286s are still active in Portland, Oregon. The demo bus pictured eventually went to Milwaukee for parts, never to see another mile of revenue service again.
Only 246 of these buses were built for US manufacturers between 1980-1983. Between 1985-1989, a similar number of Orion III artics (258) were built, almost exclusively for OC Transpo (Ottawa) and Toronto (only 90), however the demo bus went to St. Catharine's Transit (Ont.) in 1984.
They're still running in Champaign-Urbana, IL -- or at least they were as of December 2000. (I moved out in January and they only run when school is in session.)
They should have been pulled from service years ago. If appearances count for anything, they are not safe.
That was back in 1982 ... long before my time here.
Mr t__:^)
Majestically parked on the QSC property is a sole MCI D4500 cruiser. It's almost assertive amongst the MCI Classics in the lot!
Does this signal the beginning of the end of the Classics?
Last night I made an interesting pair of bus sightings; on SCTV, a "Starsky annd Hutch" feminist spinoff was shown, complete with a bright blue Dodge Monaco undercover cop car with roof-mounted red light for the ladies in action. As an added treat, a red and tan Fishbowl passes by in an alley. My guess is that if the sketch was filmed in the States it was either a Red and Tan or Jamaica Lines; most likely it was filmed in Canada and was from one of their TAs.
Also, at the opening of "The Jamie Foxx Show", an RTS in an interesting stripe scheme (I believe it was purple/magenta and orange?) whizzes by in the opening credits.
Keep 'em coming!
-Fred Donaher
Coach Potato
Purple Magenta and Orange? If I'm not mistaken, that would be NJT.
Nonono....these were across the bus, below the windows, not diagonal up to the roof. I'm not sure what livery that is though.
-F.
A red and tan fishbowl in Canada would be operated by the TTC in Toronto.If I remember correctly their scheme was that before changing to the red and black it uses now.
That's what I figured; the episode was from 1984 of that sounds correct for those colors.
-F.
An MTA bus coming off the Triboro Bridge, a bus that was headed somewhere to be repainted. The MTA logos, the bus number, some of the blue paint, taken off. It was unknown what number it was until I looked at the windshield from the Astoria Blvd (N)(W) station platform; 8543! (Or was it 8453?) Either way, what was that RTS doing near the Triboro Br. and the Grand Central Pkwy? Isn't it going to like ENY or is it going to Casey Stengel for the repaint job??? What the deal with dat?
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
Possiblily a M60 Deading to LGA.
Possiblily a M60 Deading to LGA.
An MTA bus? some paint taken off? NO NUMBERS? OUT OF SERVICE? how can that be an M60 bus? No passengers on the bus? Y'gotta be kidding me! It's heading somewhere to be repowered, but where? And why was it on the Triboro?
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
hybridbus@aol.com (Screen Name: Hybridbus)
Anyone know why Atlantic Express registers some buses in New Jersey? Is there someting funny about this?
Atlantic Express has a facility in Hopelawn, NJ. That is the reason why. But, I don't recall of coaches being at that garage. I havent been around there lately, so who knows. I do know that school buses reside there.
Jason
Having worked all summer in DOWNTOWN Manhattan, I have seen many X90/92s. These lines desperately need MCIs or more runs more frequently. These buses are almost always packed.
I've been thinking about this.
The MCI holds 57 if I am not mistaken. The Articulated in its present form in NYC holds approximately 62.
If some of the seats were rearranged on the ARTICs, wouldn't they be able to carry more people?
Here's my alignment:
Left Side Aisle Right Side
3 Seats Parallel 3 Seats Parallel to Wall due to Wheel Hump
3 Seats Parallel 3 Seats Parallel - (for W/C access - folding seats.)
5 Forward Seats 2x2 5 Forward Seats 2x2
2 Parallel Accordion 2 Parallel Accordion
3 Forward Seats 2x2 3 Forward Seats 2x2
1 Forward Seats 2x2 Rear Door - No wider than ones like on Fishbowls
3 Forward Seats 2x2 3 Forward Seats 2x2
...........Back Row 5 Seats Across...............
That is 67 seats. - Would be more if not had to take into account W/C lift at front door and wider aisle up front for W/C and the folding Parallel wall seats for W/Cs.
I know NJT has the Volvos - Some Express. Which hold more there in the current setup? - MCIs or Artics? (Trevor and any other NJT Employees, please comment.)
Would NYC have use for them????
The NJT Volvo suburbans are configured for 67, or 61 with 2 wheelchairs. The Volvo transits seat 65 in a tighter seat pitch, plus there's the additional exit door.
The issue isn't so much that a D4500 has 57 seats, it's the length involved. A 45 foot coach takes up less road space than a 60 foot artic, no matter how you slice it. To make a total comparison, less take 180 feet of bus - 4 MCI D4500s vs 3 artics. The MCIs will seat 228 people (all forward facing, no wheelwells), the 3 artics will seat just 201 (with about 18 people per bus riding sidesaddle).
The MCI holds 57 if I am not mistaken. The Articulated in its present form in NYC holds approximately 62.
Seated, perhaps. Total artic capacity, sitting and standing, is well over 100.
All of the TA's local-style (hard-seated) buses could be modified to have more seats, but total capacity would drop, as would maneuverability. It would be a mistake. Personally, I would have preferred longitudinal seating throughout.
there is this site, www.collect-corner.net/custom_made_buses.htm and you can get them to make any kind of bus as long as you send pictures. Anyway, has anyone used this? if so, how good are their models, you know, the customized ones?
I don't know, but I'd be interested in finding out. I'd be wary, however: they haven't posted any pictures of their MODELS on the site -- only of actual buses. Sounds dodgy.
Chris
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. There was this one picture of an RTS model, but it doesn't look good at all. If that's what all of the buses are like, then I wouldn't want to spend my money to get one. They also sell MCIs and New Looks, but I think they were made by other companies.
I bought one of these buses that was on this site. I ordered it a Batwinged fishbowl I ordered it and it took a very long time to be delivered. The guys name is Glen Katz is who the person I dealt with he will custom make a bus for you but from a Pre-made model repaint it and add what ever advertisment you want but you have to describe in detail what you want. He made me a Fishbowl with Batwings on it the bus was a original,Liberty bus company.. He is Legit but you will wait along time and he is not good with E-mail unless you keep up with the progress with the model that he is suppose to be making for you.I was constantly E-mailing him,I had his address and i looked it up in the Phone book to see if such a person lived at this address and he was there and i called him and he sounded a little shoken up and suprised.I asked were the model was and he said it would be ready shortly and went to his house to pick it up the bus looked good pretty satisfied.I took the chance with him because he is not know as registered with the internet as a dealer hope this helps.
well... there WAS a post on this... but id like to know which routes they've often seen suburban coaches in brooklyn, etc... also, what happened to the suburban orions in staten island?
For SI - some of the Orions are back in service out of Castleton since CAS transferred some of the MCIs back to YUK for the South Shore Services. From what I understand, the rest of the Orions will be back soon - mostly to CAS. YUK has like 5 of them but are hardly used, if used at all. The rest of them are at Edgewater, alond with like 16 GMC RTSs, 1745, and some high 3800s. Also remember - Orions 611-630 were transferred to Queens, as well as 101-119, and one or 2 more, so take that into account.
Queens will use the Orions on local routes because they need to, so maybe you can check out Queens too. I have had Orion Suburbans on the Q32 in Manhattan.
Thier has been nova 9300 suburbans running on the B3 iT SEEMS LIKE THIER ARE MORE SUBURBANS RUNNING THAN HARD SEATERS
I know that. thanks anyway. But---any other routes?
Let's see...
Bronx: none
Manhattan: M30 (Nova 9200s from Quill), M6 (operates #1826), M15 (3893 in 126th)
Queens: Q12, Q15, Q32, Q75(from CS, I have seen some on those lines), Q43, Q46, Q88 (From QV; I have seen one on the Q43, the others I was told about)
Brooklyn: B3, B4, B64, B74 (From UP) from what I hear
Staten Island: (IDK)
The M15 line has some high 3800s, like 3893 I saw once at City Hall.
Is 3828 @ MV a hard seater or still a soft-seater?
CWalNYC
carlwal@hotmail.com
For 1826, all Hudson lines are available for that, not just the M6. I've ridden it on the M14, also.
I rode 3828 on the M4 on Thursday and she has local seats like the 3900s on her. Surprised to see that.
102 was on the Q32 on Friday.
#102 Q32
#3828 M4
3895 was also made a hard seater when returned to work in Manhattan. 3893 is still soft seater as well as 1826
yukon currently has the following orion suburbans,126,129,132,133,136,137,139-143.expect these all to return to service on 8/27/01 although they may go to castleton in exchange for several mci buses.
okay, but will they return to express service, or local service?
Ulmer Park lost #5075-#5099 and sent them to Flatbush. They also lost #8340-#8350 when they went to East New York. As a result, 35 buses were lost and something was needed to replace them. With MCI buses currently operating on the X25,X27,X28,and X29 route, Ulmer Park is running the 9200's and 9300's express on the B1,B3,B4,B64 and B74 route. Supposedly, Ulmer Park is to get the 9300's from FLA by September.
UP is also running nova soft seaters on the B36
115-119 were in CAS and were transfered to CS. 101-114 have been in CS for quite some time now. Also don't forget about 138 she's a YUK reject still in CS for some strange reason.
#138 Q32
Well this is a bus version of the "blind T/O" thread on Subtalk. Today, as usual on Saturdays there is this bus operator who always misses stops. It happens almost every other time somebody rings the bell, he just passes this stop. It has happened to me several times at my bus stop. People have to yell sometimes for the guy to hear "stop".
Well it happened today to me again. The driver does stop, but does not open the back door. I scream "back door" he starts to go. Then I yell stop. Then everybody in the bus yells he finally stops and opens the back door. This guy drives like this all the time. He is an old wild grey haired guy who is a senior driver. Now I didn't want to get him in trouble but I really don't think this guy should be driving a bus. He also goes through red lights on numerous occasions.
This has gone on for too long he should be reported. Today he was driving 358 on the 4:57pm N21 out of Flushing.
Well it happened today to me again. The driver does stop, but does not open the back door. I scream "back door" he starts to go. Then I yell stop. Then everybody in the bus yells he finally stops and opens the back door. This guy drives like this all the time. He is an old wild grey haired guy who is a senior driver. Now I didn't want to get him in trouble but I really don't think this guy should be driving a bus. He also goes through red lights on numerous occasions.
You're stupid to do that. Call and bitch. Do it today, before someone is killed.
-Hank
Well LI Bus offices are closed on weekends I think but he will be reported this week. I think they have a number I can call for service complaints though I usually go down there and report them in person.
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Why is there no B66, B73 or B76?
Why is there no M24, M25 or M33 and why M60 for the LGA Route and M98 for the Limited to Fort Tryon?
Am I crazy for thinking too much about this?
Read the above message.
This is the last repost I'll try, since there were no responses.
And why is the M98 a Limited-stop bus that feels like an Express bus, why isn't it an Express bus instead of a local bus?
Cleanairbus
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Nobody's gonna pay 3 bucks for that ride.
Just a silly thought, fantasy or bad dream.
An MCI painted with the orange and blue stripe with a MTA Long Island Bus marking on it. Maybe a nightmare ?
Bill "Newkirk"
I think it would look nice. I think they have a nice livery. Apparently the LIRR had there own buses at one time because there is a New Look model painted in an orange and black scheme on a website. I have an RTS in a red & blue striping. If it were orange and blue I think it would've looked even sharper.
About 15 years ago, i remember having a suffolk county system map. Anyone know if they still put one out and where to snag a copy (i.e. mailing address)?
Same for NJT except i have never seen a NJT map b4.
Finally my suggestion to the County Executive's office was listened to and the website now has a picture of a Suffolk Transit bus in the new livery.
the site address is http://129.49.33.85.
You can get route and schedule info there.....Don't know if they still print system wide maps and schedules.
Check out the new Brooklyn Bus Map posted at http://www.mnr.org/nyct/maps.
It has the new Manhattan Bridge subway routes, but it still shows the line running across the Manhattan Bridge to Grand Street where the S stops. The weirder part is they put in a new circle for the Q, Q and between the N/R and 6 stations, but no new line for it! Apparently there's a station but no tracks.
The new Manhattan map doesn't have this error.
@ PLEASE NOTE !~! a los angeles editorial from KNX NEWS RADIO 1070 AM ON THE RADIO DIAL 24/7 news etc...
The MTA is trying to find a route into the digital world and one of its most important steps may be a fare card. For years,
bus drivers and train security have had to wait while passengers fumble for change or illegible fare passes, often leading to
delays, arguments and lost revenue for the transportation authority. It is estimated unpaid fares cost the MTA $5 million per
year.
On the table right now is an idea called a smart card. It would contain a computer chip which would activate a fare counter
on all MTA transit including buses and trains.
KNX believes the idea sounds promising.
.......??????????????????????????....................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A passenger could walk on the train or bus and the card would automatically trip the fare counter. You wouldn't even have
to take it out of your wallet or purse. It would mean quicker boarding, less hassle for the bus and train operators and far
more convenience for the riders. The card would be loaded electronically with a certain amount of fares and when they ran
out, the card would deactivate. It is already being used as security devices in private industry, and at least four major cities
are using it on their transit systems.
@ COMMENT { hope they dont use the same system they use in atlanta !! } BUMMER !!
KNX urges the MTA to consider a pilot project with the smart cards. Put them into play for a year and see if they make a
difference and become popular with riders. It could be another way to make those bus and train rides a lot faster.
( I do not know folks if i like this ) ............................not,....... lol !!!!
Wow, this is a miracle, first post by Salaam here that isn't about redbirds...I'm in complete shock! :-)
Clayton
Chicago & Washington have them, so LA isn't breaking any new ground here ... I'll bet the public likes them.
Mr t__:^)
My apologies to the Bustalk board for this letter directed at a single person, I will avoid this in the future. MTA1765, you im'd me a couple of times but I didn't respond. This is b/c of computer problems I have been having. I tried to contact you by e-mail, but it keeps coming up "no such address". Please send me an email at nfi857@aol.com and tell me if you have an AOL address I could contact you with. Thanks.
Well, John, you sure didn’t waste any time posting this one..... If you took the 4:57pm out of Flushing, it got you to your home in Sea Cliff about an hour later, and then you “dashed” to your computer to write your posting, which came onto BusTalk about 6:15pm. Very efficient.
Let’s analyze your posting from my viewpoint, that of a LI Bus Operator for almost 17 years, and one who drove the N20/21 for most of them..
John: “There is this bus operator who always misses stops.” If this were true, no one would be aboard the bus, since he always misses stops. How can an operator have anyone on board if he does that?
John: “It happens almost every other time somebody rings the bell, he just passes this stop.”
If this were true, many others would have complained, since you state that about half the requested stops are missed. But it seems to happen only to you. Have you ever thought you might be causing the problem? First, are you ringing the bell a few hundred feet before you wish to leave? This 40,000-pound plus vehicle needs at least a few hundred feet to stop, and the actual stopping distance depends on weather and road conditions. If you are ringing the bell too close to your intended stop, and not giving the bus operator adequate time to stop safely, then, yes, he will proceed to the next stop. So would I, and most other bus operators. No bus operator is going to stop a bus quickly and risk passengers falling down, especially senior citizens, many of whom continually play “musical chairs” while the bus is in motion.
John: “The driver does stop, but does not open the back door. I scream "back door" he starts to go.” In my opinion, you may be also causing this problem. You appear to be so anxious to leave the bus (and perhaps board another so you can complain about that one), that you may be in the stepwell or leaning against the doors, preventing it from opening. Since it hasn’t opened, as you’ve prevented it from doing so, the driver assumes no one is leaving and takes off. It is very difficult for the driver to hear any shouting from the rear, as his attention is focused on driving safely. Once he has left the stop, regulations state that he may not stop to discharge passengers again until the next stop. Suggestion: after the bus has stopped, wait until the green light above the door is illuminated, then push the doors to exit. If you follow this method, your problems should cease.
John: “This guy drives like this all the time.” Really? Drives like what? Please explain. Who are you to judge this man’s driving ability? Do you have a bus operator’s license, are you a bus instructor, or have you ever driven any motorized vehicle? Are you with him for his entire shift? Every day? Even when he does extra work? Wow! Remember, you got home on time safely to post your message on BusTalk.
John: “He is an old wild grey haired guy who is a senior driver.” How do you know he is old? Have you seen his bus operator’s license, or perhaps been invited to one of his birthday parties? Just because he has grey hair does not mean he is old - whatever you consider old. My beautiful Mom’s hair turned to gorgeous silver when she was about 35. Did that make her old? I’m 59 years old, and have been blessed with a full head of natural brown hair (no coloring, at least yet!). In your opinion, am I old? And would you hesitate to board my bus if my hair were grey? Remember, our bus operators are well-trained and under continuous supervision. Safety is our number one concern, and it’s drilled into us on a daily basis. Wild? Define that. In my opinion, “wild” quite readily defines your continued ranting and raving. If you’re not satisfied with the service (remember, we strive to please but also realize not all passengers will be satisfied), you have alternatives: take an earlier or later bus; use, if possible, the Long Island Railroad; hitch a ride; call for a taxi; walk; ask a friend for a ride; ride a bicycle; or stay at home and watch television. Senior driver? How do you know this? Have you checked his personnel record? Because he has grey hair? He could very well be a relatively new driver starting a second career. LI Bus hires their operators for their professionalism and ability to safely maneuver their vehicle; no points are lost if they have grey hair. He may very well be a senior driver but that should give you more confidence in riding with him because he has successfully piloted the bus safely for all of those years, otherwise he would no longer be employed by LI Bus.
John: “I really don't think this guy should be driving a bus. “ Again, who are you to determine this? Do you have a bus operator’s license? Do you have the qualifications necessary to judge anyone’s driving skills? Have you been hired to judge the ability of bus operators? You may state your opinion but that is all; you are in no way a judge of anyone or their ability to do their job.
John: “He also goes through red lights on numerous occasions. “ Unfortunately, all bus operators do this from time-to-time. However, there are times it may be necessary to do so to prevent passenger falldowns (again, especially senior citizens) by stopping the bus too quickly. If a traffic signal is malfunctioning, and changing from green to red without the normal timing, yes, one will run a red light. But you do not have the right to judge this; you re not piloting the bus and you are completely unaware of all traffic conditions present and necessary to make any driving decision. LI Bus has safely delivered you to and from your home for quite some time. Never once, in reading your posts, have I ever seen a compliment either to LI Bus or its drivers. If we’re that bad, remember the alternatives I’ve suggested above. You do not have, in my opinion, absolutely any idea of what it takes to provide transportation services. Your only viewpoint is from that of a passenger. If you were working for a transportation company, you might realize how complex providing public transportation really is.
My post has been long. But for years I’ve read your continuing barrage of complaints, many, in my opinion, very petty and perhaps unnecessary, and felt it was time to respond. Comments and criticisms are good where valid, but many times compliments are also in order.
A few suggestions. In my opinion, you need to relax and lighten up a bit. After your next “wild” journey to Flushing, which may have caused you severe bodily tension, why not visit one of the many licensed massage parlors and take advantage of their services? A nice back rub is so relaxing. Then on your return trip, you may actually enjoy the journey.
The lines you ride and complain about most frequently are the N20, 21 and 27. In some of your previous posts you stated your desire to meet a nice woman. You are very aware that many attractive women ride these same routes. Why not try to start a conversation with them (but please don’t start it by complaining; this turns any woman off). Perhaps you might meet a nice woman, and click with her. During the evening, take a course at your local high school or borrow tapes from the library (both are free) on conversational Spanish. This will vastly increase your chances of meeting a nice woman, since it appears a good portion of the female passengers are of Spanish heritage. Remember, life is not only LI Bus and complaints.....
Joe, I agree with EVERYTHING you said wholeheartedly. There's all too many posts from many posters here criticizing every damned little thing a bus operator does...with no thought as to the REAL reasoning behind things that happen on board buses. Personally, I think most of the posts are a bunch of KIDS who have NO idea of what it REALLY is about to be a bus operator. I've said it before, and I'll say it again (for the benefit of those who haven't seen me post it before...THERE'S A LOT MORE TO BEING A BUS OPERATOR THAN JUST SITTING UP THERE SITTING ON OUR ASSES AIMING THE BUS DOWN THE ROAD!!! The biggest problem is dealing with people on and off the bus who think they know everything about bus operations!!
I've been a bus operator myself for twenty-eight (28) years. And everything you said in your post is 100% true.
Oh, and by the way...I am 50 years old...and have had grey hair since I was 23!!!! It seems to run in the male side of my family -- but everyone that's kicked the bucket did so with a full head of grey hair!
Have a safe day out there!!
So you expected to die at 23? Glad you got past THAT barrier.
-Hank :)
It must be doubly frustating to Joe Saitta and every other B/O to read the daily rants of someone who admittly does not work due to a disability
It seems that John does nothing but ride around on public transit all day, while living on the public dole ( SSI perhaps ), which OUR TAX MONIES PAY FOR. He seemingly has no concept of what it is like to be an employee. He doesn't understand that sometimes an employee would like to make a complaint or have better equipment. However many of us have families to feed, mortgages to pay and generally do not have the financial independence to tell a boss where to go.
Hey John, why not go to CDT or some other bus driving school and see what its like to have to drive a bus and put up with passengers like you.
I don't know anybody in this discussion. I take exception to Hart Bus's comments about Qtraindash7 living on the public dole because of a disability.
I work for the federal government in Washington. In 1996, the country experienced the famous government shut down. I was furloughed for three weeks. Even though I eventually I got paid for the 3 weeks, I finally felt what it was like to be on welfare -- and didn't like it. I preferred to be working.
Without knowing Qtraindash7's situation, I doubt that he wanted his disability. As for possibly collecting Social Security Supplemental Income (SSI), ALL of us should be grateful to live in a country that does its best (not perfectly!) to take care of the disadvantaged and elderly.
Michael
Washington, DC
Thank God somebody here has some common sense. I don't chose to be on medication, afraid of stress, and have to take yet more fiber medication due to a painful IBS.
What is IBS?
Irritable Bowel Syndrone. Usually brought on by anxiety and stuff.
I got diagnosed with IBS last year when I had frequent stomach cramps and nausea. With medication and staying away from stress symptoms are now rare.
It's also brought on by being a bus operator and listening to all the crap dished out by passengers during a daily work shift.
You'd be surprised how many bus operatorsDO have some degree of IBS...along with ulcers, headaches, etc.
Yeah it is a very stressful job. Everytime I get a bus with no A/C the first thing I think about is the B/O having to drive it and sweat all day. Most passengers complain alot to the driver. It is especially annoying when you have pax that get on board with no change and you'd be suprised how many LIB riders still think the buses take dollar bills. I think while subway train operators have a tough job being a bus driver is harder, because you have to drive the bus, take fares, open and close doors and deal with difficult passengers.
Of course some routes are more enjoyable than others. But the routes that go into Queens, the N4,N6,20,21,22,and 24 all get crowded and aren't fun to drive.
Most of the problems at LI Bus are with the management, and the drivers have to put up with the same garbage riders do.
And the traffic can stress anyone out. I get stressed from it riding, and the drivers have to deal with it all day!
So I'm sorry if I offended any B/O's out there, I really want to be friends with you all.
I would've figured the number one health issue with bus drivers to be inflamed 'roids.
-Hank
I thought the #1 problem would be bad backs, especially in the days
before power assisted and power steering.
P.S. I changed the subject because of I'm tired of seeing "QDASHTRAIN7
.. ENOUGH ALREADY.
Funny you should mention that.
I drove GM old looks, GM new looks, Flxibles....all without power steering. Some even had four-speed stick shift transmissions with one hell of a clutch pedal to press (double-clutching, at that!!)
We also had just the basic driver seat...one that would go up and down maybe two or three notches, forward and backward the same. And the backpiece would tilt two or three notches.
And I NEVER heard of so many back and neck injuries in those days as I do now, with all the supposedly comfortable seats, power steering, automatic transmissions, etc. I never once had an injury myself, until recent years when the F***ing power steering locked up turning into a depot in one of those piece of sh!t Gillig Phantoms. That got me three months off work, one surgery, weekly disability of $490.17 (more than my net after taxes when working!!), and a $3,700 settlement from the company. All the $$$ couldn't ease the pain, and my left shoulder still to this day is in pain frequently. (yeah, yeah, I know...switch hands!!)
Honestly, I think what happens, nowadays with all the appliances to make the driver's physical efforts easier is that when something does go wrong, the body gets hurt more easily as it is what could be considered "out of shape". Turning all those non-powere-steering assisted corners, the non-fancy seats, all built up our bodies in the "good old days" (hah!!)
I hear those Gilligs are real hard on the operators. They don't look comfortable at all. I sure hope we don't see any more of those rolling garbage cans anymore.
EXTREMELY unplesant.
-Hank
While no one wishes any illnesses on you John, your constant bitching about every bus you ride on is getting tiresome to read. My point was that you should try to look at things from someone else's perspective.
You constantly make comments about drivers' techniques and problems, without ever having been a driver yourself.. How can you criticize a person without ever having walked a mile in his/her shoes????
You never seem to praise any drivers. Stop taking out your life's frustrations on the B/O's and LI Bus.
Thank you for this post; it is most appreciated and right on the mark.
I've had many good bus rides. Some of the best are in the morning, when even though there's traffic the drivers know how to make time very well. Another word of praise for LI Bus drivers is the do an excellent job keeping the bus moving, and staying on time despite traffic conditions. The 8:29am N21 to Flushing which I take sometimes always works out well usually, because there are less stops even though it is AM rush most N20/21 riders reverse commute. As a result we can make good time, and we skip Great Neck RR.
These semi-express runs are great, I wish they'd have some of them in the PM as well.
Also whenever I ride LI Bus on the south shore it always works out pretty well. Well I will admit when I post about LI Bus it's usually negative. But this is a common behavior, it is said then most people who go out and vote are angry and have complaints, while people that are pleased with their government stay home.
I will try to be more balanced about LI Bus. And since I won't be riding N20/21 as much most of the other routes I enjoy.
If I did drive a LI Bus the N20/21 would be my last choice. Mostly because it's a long route, with lots of traffic and riders and windy roads, so it's also harder to drive. Also since traffic delays drivers on the N20/21 they lose breaks which are too short. Alot of drivers only have 5 or 10 minutes between when they arrive and depart, that is not fair.
Drivers may have 5 or 10 minutes 'recovery' time at the end of the line. It essentially is not considered break time for the B/O. It's TA time that - if you are late - will help you get back on schedule for the return trip.
A Dispatcher may let you go if you are down 8 and have 12 minutes recovery time at the end depending on if the rest of the line is in a shambles.
I also had a favorite driver on the N21 a year ago, she was always friendly and patient and drove very well. She had been driving the route for 8 years I think, but she wanted a change because the traffic and other stuff was getting on her nerves.
I wonder do drivers on certain routes get paid more than others? Like would an N20/21 driver make more than one on the N27?
I don't know the answer, but I would guess "no." Pay is probably based on number of hours on duty (not just behind the wheel) and may include
special pay, e.g. weekends or nights. I remember many, many years ago there was a night differential for NYCTA routes. I don't know today.
I remember a driver in Washington once told me that certain lines paid more because the number hours worked was based on the length of the line. For example, the Friendship Heights line is a real long one. A trip can take up to 1:30. A weekly job may be 50 hours. Other jobs may be 40 hours or 45 hours.
Michael
P.S. I've removed Qtraindash7's name from the title. I think he has
enough notoriety for now.
So I don't know if there'd be any incentive for me if I was a B/O at LI Bus to drive a long route like the N20/21.
But I imagine drivers get paid extra to work Sundays (I think it's the law to get more pay on Sundays).
Also do you have to be a senior operator to operate bus replacement services for LIRR and the subway? Sure wouldn't mind getting an LIRR job for the Port Jefferson branch, most of that goes through really nice areas. LI Bus always uses the diesel buses for LIRR runs because they are longer than traditional routes and diesels have more capacity (well not sure on that one but a driver told me a diesel can go longer between refuels). The only time I saw CNG Orions in service on LIRR buses was when there was no LIRR service on the Port Washington branch on the weekend due to track work.
I'm going to guess that the answer to your questions is SENIORITY.
Those with the most service pick what they consider the more desirable runs. If they want money (a lot of OT), they probably will pick a long route. If they want scenery or less headaches, they will pick another line. And some can pick extra board. They sit at the depot and fill in for drivers who are late to work, sick, or on vacation. I'll also guess that some work "gap" service. If service is backed up on some line, they may be dispatched to "protect" the schedule of the bus or buses that are late.
I'm sure it's a very difficult job. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that very few people will give the bus a break and let them into traffic.
Note: I might have confused some with my previous message. I meant that the wage for a B/O is probably the same regardless of route driven. However, some routes pay more because of more time on the job.
Michael
Long Island Bus uses Part timers at a lower rate of pay on the following routes
N 90 Hempstead/Nassau Hub
N 91 JFK Flyer
N 94 Woodbury Shuttle
N 95 Farmingdale Shuttele
Nassau Hub Routes
In the event that these runs are not covered Full time drivers will be used at their standard pay scale
Thank You
What is the Nassau Hub Route?
Michael
The Nassau Hub route opeartes from Rooservelt Field to Fortunoff in Westbury which is now a big shopping mall.
Thank You
Are those runs where new operators start?
Hey bus drivers work hard. Most LI Bus operators do a good job. But this guy does not. I think being a LI Bus operator is a very hard job, putting up with the terrible traffic, passengers that don't understand english or dazed, and buses that break down.
I can even understand why some go through red lights, since all the lights on the north shore are out to stop you.
I report one bad driver and get ridiculed. Everybody has complaints. Personally LIRR commuters complaints are mostly bullsh**. They have it much better than LI Bus riders. It's all relative. And don't ever discount mental illness. I would think most people on here would be smart enough to think of it as disabling, but as usual most people only consider what is seen a disability, I really thought some of us on here were smarter than that.
"It seems that John does nothing but ride around on public transit all day, while living on the public dole ( SSI perhaps ), which OUR TAX MONIES PAY FOR. He seemingly has no concept of what it is like to be an employee. "
Well I don't have any food stores by me, so most of my trips are to the supermarket. I have to go several times a week. (we all have to eat)No I can't buy everything in CVS like most other Sea Cliff ites do.
I'm sure you wouldn't mind having to endure anxiety attacks and getting stomach cramps from stress like I do. After all according to you mental illness isn't disabling in any way.
I'm glad I'm gonna be moving outta this dead end town in Mid-September. I will be within walking distance of a laundry, supermarket, chinese food, an actual shopping center and an LIRR station. With easier trips not involving the bus for errands, I can concentrate on employment. But whatever I do, and I want to work, cannot be too stressful or time consuming or my stomach is going to cramp up again.
I've met both you guys, and just let me say that you're being a little to hard on John. He does seem to concentrat on the bad vs. the good about his LI Bus rides. Maybe he could think of a way to be more constructive about what he sees. Maybe he can learn from input such as Joe's that he's missunderstanding why the bus didn't stop for him or the door didn't open. I remember the recent ride with John to Long Beach ... he made a comment about the noise the bus was making, I was enjoying the ride despite the noise. On that day John & I rode the system from 3:15 to long after dark.
I come here to learn & find out "how are we doing".
BTW, it would appear that QSC isn't doing too bad.
P.S. Before you start writing, understand that I'm just an employee who works in the basement ... no corner office for this guy.
Mr t__:^)
As a NYCTA bus operator, with a year participating in this forum, and a few months participating in another forum in which "Qtraindash" also contributes, here are my observations:
Qtrain, you, because you participate in so many transit-related discussion forums, are privy to certain aspects and information about our job that the average "general-riding-public Joe" might not be. You have available to you, a forum, full of employees of every level of every local-area transit system, yet you never question policy, or ask "Why does this happen?". You simply complain about every aspect of your daily commute, without question or regard for those who serve you.
If you would use this forum to your benefit, and question things that don't make sense, it might serve you better than a simple venting outlet. Of course "Straphangers" uses and promotes their forum as such, but BusTalk is different in that this isn't a "complaint forum", but an area in which to exchange information and learn from one another. I suggest that your future messages inquire as to why certain problems exist during your daily commute, pay close unbiased attention to the replies, and interact accordingly, using the information offered and obtained to better your commute, rather than to simply complain about it.
It's called understanding and knowledge, and it's a powerful tool.
I, as an operator, fully understand the frustrations one faces using public transportation, especially when one solely depends upon it. On-the-other-hand, you must also understand the multitude of regulations (some assinine) we as operators, must comply with daily. Most of us, if I may speak for the B/O's out here, do care about their job, and simply want to get through the day safely, without incident, and get home to their families. I certainly do. The same is probably true for everyone here.
But that's here, on BusTalk.
On Straphangers, you're encouraged to "expose ruthless transit employees" because that's how an advocacy group gains attention.
Anyway, I'm not going to comment specifically on your "problem driver" aspect because I wasn't there to witness the ride. I don't know about MSBA policy, but here at the NYCTA, we undergo eyesight and hearing exams bi-annually. If his hearing was that bad, that he couldn't hear the bell, he'd not be driving a bus.
As far as your employment status is concerned, I'm sure you noticed that there was a post here, and at Straphangers, regarding a NYCTA Traffic Checker opportunity. Since there are no pre-qualifications, and the NYCTA/MaBSTOA is an EOE and ADA compliant organization, an inside position awaits you, paying $12/hr, at 1250 Broadway, should you desire. You would have benefit of an entry-level position, and first-hand education regarding the job we do. Plus, as an added incentive, you're afforded a free employee transit pass (which many MSBA operators accept- shhhhhh!).
Some thoughtful comments that are right on, in my view.
This site has tought me a lot and I keep learning every day thanks to the unselfish free exchanges that occur.
Thanks Dave, Mr t__:^)
Well I have alot to say in response to your posting.
"If this were true, many others would have complained, since you state that about half the requested stops are missed. But it seems to happen only to you. "
Most people are migrants and are simply too stupid or in a daze to complain. Several other passengers were getting off at my stop, including an old lady who was pretty pissed about it and complained to me. It has been mentioned before about buses without A/C and other things, the riders (mostly migrants) simply don't care. When the roof vent is open and it starts pouring, do they close it? No. I have to close it. When the back door gets stuck do any of them close it? No, I get up and close it. Why? Because I could wait 2 minutes for them to do it while everyone else gets delayed but I chose to get everybody moving.
"If you are ringing the bell too close to your intended stop, and not giving the bus operator adequate time to stop safely, then, yes, he will proceed to the next stop. "
I ring the bell immediately after the stop before mine, so the driver has plenty of time to respond.
".” In my opinion, you may be also causing this problem. You appear to be so anxious to leave the bus (and perhaps board another so you can complain about that one), that you may be in the stepwell or leaning against the doors, preventing it from opening."
I always wait until the lights come on and do not open the door before then.
"Safety is our number one concern, and it’s drilled into us on a daily basis. Wild? Define that. In my opinion, “wild” quite readily defines your continued ranting and raving. If you’re not satisfied with the service (remember, we strive to please but also realize not all passengers will be satisfied), you have alternatives: take an earlier or later bus; use, if possible, the Long Island Railroad; hitch a ride; call for a taxi; walk; ask a friend for a ride; ride a bicycle; or stay at home and watch television. Senior driver? How do you know this?"
I have spoken to the driver several times in the past (not complaining, just friendly chatter) and he's been driving since when LIB got the Grummans.
"Again, who are you to determine this? Do you have a bus operator’s license? Do you have the qualifications necessary to judge anyone’s driving skills? Have you been hired to judge the ability of bus operators? "
When I driver misses 50% of the stops there's no other explanation, this guy shouldn't be on the road.
"But for years I’ve read your continuing barrage of complaints, many, in my opinion, very petty and perhaps unnecessary, and felt it was time to respond"
I don't think all of them are petty. If no A/C, 45 minute late buses, and drivers who keep missing stops are petty complaints then I guess there's nothing wrong with running school buses on transit routes.
I already understand why N20/21 buses run late, because of the terrible traffic on the north shore, LI Bus can't help that. But when there's no A/C and all the windows are locked shut, and when a bus driver keeps missing stops I think it's something to be reported.
I resent you attacking my bus riding methods. I always follow the rules, and give the drivers alot of time to agnowledge my stop request. I always exit the rear door properly (unlike the migrants) and never eat or drink on the bus (again migrants drink all the time, often they are drunk with hard liquor).
And most drivers don't enforce the no eating/drinking rules, the result is empty glass bottles rolling around and litter all over the floor. As far as safety being LI Bus #1 concern, there's nothing unsafe about locked windows, there's nothing unsafe about leaky diesel buses, and there's nothing unsafe about skipping stops and going through red traffic lights. And I am talking about going through lights that turned red for quite sometime, not just turned red. Not to mention that many buses have standees in both front and rear doorwells. The only time I saw this enforced was on the JB50.
Well I'm gonna be moving soon near an LIRR station so I won't be riding the N20/21 that much anymore, taking the LIRR from an OB branch station to Mineola for LI Bus, where the LI Bus routes are much better. Again I re-iterate that most LI Bus drivers are excellent, friendly, and hard working. Most of the problems I deal with are NOT the bus drivers fault.
But last Saturday's driver was an exception, and with many passengers while not vocally complaining looking quite annoyed.
Many LI Bus routes are quite pleasant to ride, particularly the N79, the N73/74, N22A and N15. The traffic situation on Northern (25A) is a main cause of the N20/21 problems. The lights are timed to cause delays instead of moving traffic. That is a NYDOT problem, and not under LI Bus's control.
The N70/71/72 along Hempstead turnpike are pretty packed but move along much better than the N20/21, because the traffic lights move traffic along better. 25A is a state road like Hempstead Tpke (Rt.24) and Jericho Tpke (Rt25) but why are the traffic lights so messed up on 25A? Lemme dare a guess, NIMBY's don't want people speeding. I guess an hour ride from Glen Cove to Great Neck isn't too bad sitting up high in a luxury SUV sipping Starbucks.
It's usually impossible to time traffic signals on two-way streets to keep traffic moving in both directions.
On one-way streets (that don't intersect other streets with progressive signals), the signals should be timed so that traffic moving at the speed limit will receive continuous greens. (All one-way Manhattan avenues are set up like this.) Any other arrangement will encourage speeding, since drivers will speed in attempt to catch the next light.
Of course, each time a bus stops, it loses the green phase. I don't know how often LI Bus stops, but this is why NYCT buses, even on the Manhattan avenues, hit so many red lights.
Well it does depend on how many stops we make. Sometimes when we have fewer stops along Northern Blvd we make time. Other times we don't.
I do believe the lights on N.Blvd are set to slow the speeds down as many of the communities it runs through are kinda NIMBY'ish. When King Kullen proposed a bright, new 24 hour supermarket in Manhasset you can guess what happened.
As far as technology goes, I heard about something that buses could use that keeps lights green when buses are present. Some fire departments already use this technology.
QTrain,
One of these days, you may very well fly forward while standing on a bus because the b/o stops short for something.
That something may be that he is a BusTalk reader.
In the course of a day in Sept 1999, i had a guy grab my shoulder while mosey-ing down Ocean Avenue on the B49, had to have 6 WOMEN removed from the bus for a stupid argument about religious beliefs, and put up with Hurricane Floyd. And then take 2 hours to get home from Flatbush to Queens.
Your bus operator is like a box of chocolates. You never know who you're gonna get or who you are going to annoy on this board. A B/O on this board could probably pick you out in a minute.
So just keep it to yourself. You know how many 1000's of people get annoyed at public transit per day? You just have an outlet for it(this board) that 99.9% of the others don't. But it's pretty fair to say 100% of us don't want to hear(see) it.
Well I guess the same could be said for the poster of the "Blind T/O" report on Subtalk, because that T/O may read Subtalk.
It seems like a double standard that others can report bad bus or train operators but when I do it I get bashed. It's the double standard I've been living with my whole life.
Next time I'll just be quiet and only talk about good things. Talk about totalatarianism.
Q --
Everyone who reads these boards regularly knows that you vent your frustrations with public transit here frequently. Anyone who isn't interested has long since stopped reading your posts.
The issue isn't reporting bad drivers, the issue is who you report them to. When you have a problem with the performance of a specific driver, that issue should be treated as a serious issue between you and Long Island Bus, and then between LI Bus and their driver.
By saying that your problem was with the driver on the 3:00 N38 out of Sea Cliff, bus number 1234 you've identified a specific person, ridiculed their performance publicly and not offered them a chance to respond with their own interpretation of events. While that driver may not read this board, some of his fellow drivers or other passengers might. There is an appropriate avenue for complaints, and public ridicule isn't it.
On a further note, when you say that "Most people are migrants and are simply too stupid...", you don't make many friends. My mother rides LI Bus everywhere she goes. I happen to think she's quite intelligent. I'd venture to say that nearly all of the posters here have relatives and certainly ancestors who are or were "migrants", and that we're actually quite proud of them. Hurling insults at entire groups of people is no way to win friends.
CG
Bravo Charles G
OK, you're right I won't publicly report specific drivers anymore, it is a matter that should be dealt with LI Bus.
I have nothing against immigrants. I only judge by personality and behavior. A good deal of LI Bus riders, migrants and non migrants have bad habits such as littering and pushing. There's also alot of nice riders out there as well.
I don't think there is anyone here that would argue that a B/O's job isn't an easy one. Management expects a lot & I think by and large the B/O's mostly try to do their best.
At this depot I run into a lot of them in the course of a day and they seem with a few exceptions to be a content lot (notice I didn't say happy, yet many are that too). What goes a long way to making this posible is supportive management & a bus that works.
Mr t__:^)
As someone who has been a NYCT bus operator for the past 12.5 years, I want to take this opportunity to thank my good friend Joe Saitta from articulating so beautifully a point of view that I've been stating...as well as sometimes screaming...for more than 12 years.
I would like to add this one additional point:
The relationship between bus drivers and bus passengers would be so much more mutually productive and pleasurable if more and more passengers would think of us as their allies...and not their enemies.
I've changed the title because I'm tired of seeing QDASHTRAIN in the subject line.
I'm sure operations would improve if passengers would to the back of the bus and clear space at the front for boarding passengers. Passengers nor operators have control over traffic and traffic lights -- but they certainly have control over creating space on the bus.
Michael
I always move to the back of a crowded bus. Most people do not follow that rule especially on the N20/21, making it difficult for the operator and delaying the bus (since boarding and departing take longer).
Using the rear door is encouraged, since it improves passenger flow. When people exit the front it delays people from getting on. Only place this is not done is at Hempstead Transit center where passengers depart from the front door.
Actually I believe the automated announcement system LI Bus uses on all it's CNG buses has an announcement which says "If the bus has standing room only please move toward the rear".
If one comes on with 6 metrocards only to dip the first 5 and find value on the 6th, please throw away the first 5. It does nobody any good. You delayed the bus and if you stuff those empty metrocards back in your pocket and try to magically squeeze some value out of them later when you board another bus (kinda like you thinking they gained interest while they were in your pocket), you are delaying that second bus too.
This happens several times a day.
And sometimes you see the same people doing it too. Everyday.
I remember riding a B6 on my one of my nostalgia trips. The driver stopped the bus at a stop and asked a woman if she was going to pay the fare. She said she did a few stops ago and the B/O said she didn't as the farebox rejected her card. We sat somewhere on Bay Parkway until she got off the bus.
Michael
On Friday August 17 I was on 34th street (Manhattan) and I saw a Grumman heading eastbound (I was able to take a picture) .
Does anyone know how many Grummans/Flxibles they run and where do they start and end ?
Also they were running a Orion V and Coach USA Flxible.
the grummans are 4350 and 4352. i suspect they are former njt/nyct buses. they often run on 57 st. this service is provided as a connection to their west side ferry so when you disembark you are expected to board the boat.
Actually those are not former NYCTA/or NJT buses they were bought second hand from an unknown location. I believe 2098 too is also seen on that NY Waterway route as well as a couple of Orions. This route is being run by Red and Tan, a Coach USA division. I sometimes also see some ex NJT 870b's at the airport running around there now and then I seen 2261 and 2244 there.
Tone
4350 and 4352 are 1981 Grummans. Formerly numbered 350 and 352. They came from Rutgers University. HAML aka Suburban. 2097 is a 1982 Grumman, and 2098 is a 1987 Flxible Metro-A.
Jay
Well 2097 is srapped, it no longer sees service on any route for RT. But thanks for the info on 4350 & 4352.
2097 was scrapped but is now back in service.
Thank GOD! I hate to see a good Grumman go to waste.
-F.
Sounds like the same formula Blacksburg Transit (Virginia Tech's TA, which is very similar to Rutgers' system) used when they acquired four 1976 Flxible New Looks from PenTran; simply extending the numbers already on the bus. 612, 621, 637, and 639 became 3612, 3621, 3637, and 3639. We are now in the process of restoring 621 to its original 76 PenTran colors and hope it turns out well.
-Fred Donaher
Curator
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
Also, some former GLTC (Lynchburg, VA) 1975 Flx New Looks later went on to Rutgers; any idea where they are now?
Of course if you can get the VIN's, they appear on NYS registrations in the window(don't know about NJ) you can check the original delivery date and who the initial operator was through www.omot.org
You've got it; OMOT is an excellent site. When I was in Ohio last summer, I had the pleasure of touring their facilities and riding their preserved 1959 CTS Fishbowl around the Cleveland area. Being curator of a similar museum in Virginia I felt right at home. What an experience. To Norm, Laddie, and rest of the OMOT gang, I wish you the best and hope you are all doing well.
Sincerely,
Fred Donaher
Curator
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
Not in New Jersey. However, within the past year or so, the VIN numbers have appeared on Massachusetts inspection stickers, which is great news for those of you out there who track the Peter Pan VINs...
R&T also uses one of the former DECAMP Flxible METRO B Suburbans on this route as well. Saw one at the garage with the NY Waterway Sticker plastered onto the front of the Destination sign glass. It think the number is 3198 but I can't truly recall, saw this about 2 weeks ago.
Peace!
DaShawn
www.transitworld.org
I too have finally seen those DECAMP Flxible METRO B Suburbans buses in serivce on the Central Avenue Line in Jersey City. It is cool to finally see those buses in service.
Tone
on eBay; item numbers:
1179880093 - 1975 MSBA Map (first one issued)
1179890585 - 1978 MSBA Interim Map
1179895574 - Early 1940s New York City Omnibus Corporation Map
1179903177 - MaBSTOA Schedule for Bx1 (first ones issued)
1179906819 - MaBSTOA Schedule for Bx7 (first ones issued)
1179920474 - Chicago Motor Coach - Operator's Rules & Regulations 1946
1179928893 - Chicago Gray Line 1934 World's Fair Brochure.
I heard a stereotype that all SEPTA bus drivers are basically mean. Well, not the one that I'm about to talk about.
This lady (on the 27 today) was nice enough to help a lady board the bus. Anyway, that's the nice thing. But, on another note, she was able to handle this lady who was complaining about the bus having to take a detour on Ridge Pike in a fairly polite way, and this other lady wanted to get off at a place that wasn't a designated bus stop, but we passed that place since we were on the detour.
Anyway, about the buses. The neoplan articulateds (this was my first ride on one of them that was of decent length, the first time i rode one I barely spent 5 minutes on it). anyway, they are really bouncy, and underpowered, I remember the driver having to step on the gas peddle several times to get it to move. Oh well, they still look nice. I hate the stainless steel seats, though, they are so hard and uncomfortable in my opinion. I prefer the plastic seats of the Eldorados and the ones on the Neoplan transit buses (3000 series with the tiniest bit of padding).
Maybe it's time to actually shed some good news about GBL! It looks like their destination sign replacement project is moving quicker than we thought. Spotted this morning was 5511 with a nice bright orange destination sign. It has been said that the ODK is by Luminator, but are the signs also by Luminator? Sorry if this sounds a bit elemenatry, but ODK's & destination signs aren't my forte.
Thanks
Saw 5503 on the QM15 on Friday and she had her sign replaced too. I thought that they would keep the original Orange sign but they replaced it. Also saw 5512 on the Q60 yesterday shining bright.
Glad to see GBL is improving the signs on their Orions.
#5512 Q60
#5503 QM15
I have a 1998 LI Bus Map. While checking the MTA web site, I noticed that there are maps for the 5 boroughs, LIRR, Metro-North, and Bridges and Tunnels, but NONE for LI Bus.
Does anybody know why LI BUS doesn't have a map on the website?
Michael
Now Living in Washington, DC, but can remember when Jerusalem Avenue Bus Lines went to Verity Plaza in Seaford.
I think its because LI Bus is actually owned by Nassau County and is operated by the MTA pursuant to a contract. I guess that after Mondello, Gulotta and the rest of the Nassau County Republicans put all their political patronage cronies in no show jobs there isn't any money left to run a bus system, let alone pay the MTA to carry the system map on their website.
But they keep bus schedules on the website.
Why would a map be any different?
Using that same logic, there would be NO need to put the NYCTA bus and subway maps on the website because you can get schedules.
The map tells you which schedule(s)you need. For me, a pictorial description of the route tells me more than a word description of the route. Also, sometimes there are mistakes in the word descriptions.
Look at the description for N45 "Hempstead, Roosevelt Field, Nassau Community College, Westbury." WRONG! That's the description for N35.
Transit services are supposed to be customer friendly and it makes NO sense not to have the LI Bus map on the system.
Why are you complaining to me of all posters?
I'm not complaining to you. You responded to my post and wrote that the LI Bus map shouldn't be posted to the web site because schedules are available. Now I'm responding to you, but disagree.
Michael
Thankful in Washington he still has his 1998 LI Bus map
You responded to my post and wrote that the LI Bus map shouldn't be posted to the web site because schedules are available. Now I'm responding to you, but disagree.
I urge you to reread my post correctly.
I went back to your message and discovered I DID READ IT CORRECTLY.
You wrote that it wasn't necessary to put the map on the website since individual schedules had maps.
I repeat what I wrote. To see the big picture, you need a map.
I just saved you the trouble of going back to read my message.
Don't thank me. You're welcome.
I went back to your message and discovered I DID READ IT CORRECTLY.
I'd like to see your definition of "correctly"
You wrote that it wasn't necessary to put the map on the website since individual schedules had maps.
Quote me saying this and I'll buy you a year's worth of unlimited Metrocards.
I just saved you the trouble of going back to read my message.
Don't thank me. You're welcome.
Thank you, for what? Misunderstanding me and then claiming more than once that you were correct. Sorry, but I know better than you about what I write. I've went back up YET AGAIN to make sure there were no typoes or anything, and there weren't.
Since you don't live in New York, we'll have to reconsider the prize, but that won't really be necessary.
Posted by M4 on Mon Aug 20 10:15:14 2001
I have a 1998 LI Bus Map. While checking the MTA web site, I noticed that there are maps for the 5 boroughs, LIRR, Metro-North, and Bridges and Tunnels, but NONE for LI Bus. Does anybody know why LI BUS doesn't have a map on the website? Michael
Posted by American Pig on Tue Aug 21 05:24:58 2001
But they keep bus schedules on the website. Why would a map be any different?
One can easily identify the question by M4, which asked "why LIB doesn't have a map on their website", to your contribution offering that since "they keep schedules on the website, why would a map be any different". American Pig, your reply clearly offers that a map isn't a necessary feature, since a schedule is offered as a subsitiute.
Also, M4 wasn't complaining to you. Rather, he is discussing his opinion with you, in direct response to your reply to his post. That's what we do here in usenet, or in this particular case, a BBS; discuss opinions.
Personally, it's my opinion that your arrogance and sheer negativity to most of the contributors here only proves you, what is called in usenet, a troll. Stop trolling this board and grow up. Take into consideration that there are people here, other than yourself, who do enjoy this forum and use it for the purpose intended; discussing bus related topics without the need to flame others or attempt to make someone look foolish.
If you're looking for attention, or perpetual arguments, please take your ignorant and selfish agenda elsewhere.
Thank you.
One can easily identify the question by M4, which asked "why LIB doesn't have a map on their website", to your contribution offering that since "they keep schedules on the website, why would a map be any different". American Pig, your reply clearly offers that a map isn't a necessary feature, since a schedule is offered as a subsitiute.
It implies no such thing, as my original response which you are quoting was NOT to M4, but rather to Hart Bus. You should read his post before trying to figure out what I was trying to say. That's the whole point of responding.
Also, M4 wasn't complaining to you. Rather, he is discussing his opinion with you, in direct response to your reply to his post. That's what we do here in usenet, or in this particular case, a BBS; discuss opinions.
That's my problem. Why should he complain to me of all people?
person 1: I believe that the map should be posted on the website.
person 2: No, the map should be posted on the website.
Personally, it's my opinion that your arrogance and sheer negativity to most of the contributors here only proves you, what is called in usenet, a troll.
I don't care about your opinion. You shouldn't bother contributing in this discussion. What are you trying to do? Join M4 in his campaign to prove that somehow, he knows what I was trying to better than I do?
Stop trolling this board and grow up.
Can't win on the merits of your posts, and instead you insult a person and bring their age into the discussion. Hmm, how MATURE.
Take into consideration that there are people here, other than yourself, who do enjoy this forum and use it for the purpose intended;
And what purpose is this, failing to see what is responded to, and then trying to prove to someone that they said something else? Really, if you had any brains whatsoever, you'd realize right away that I was countering M4 for his interpretation of my message. I resent people trying to tell me what I REALLY think, and then calling me a troll for it.
People are called trolls for many reasons, mostly you resent me only because I don't agree with you. Maybe when you get out in life you'll realize that not everybody agrees with you all the time. Then you can stop preaching about how we should all be friends.
I don't know what your problem is, wrongly calling people trolls. You should be familiar with your own species.
discussing bus related topics without the need to flame others or attempt to make someone look foolish.
Well, I flame others when they flame me. My discussion with M4 didn't degrade to insults until you decided to put in your two cents.
I wrote:
One can easily identify the question by M4, which asked "why LIB doesn't have a map on their website", to your contribution offering that since "they keep schedules on the website, why would a map be any different". American Pig, your reply clearly offers that a map isn't a necessary feature, since a schedule is offered as a subsitiute.
American Pig replied:
It implies no such thing, as my original response which you are quoting was NOT to M4, but rather to Hart Bus. You should read his post before trying to figure out what I was trying to say. That's the whole point of responding.
We shouldn't need to "figure out" what you were "trying to say". If you're not capable of expressing yourself clearly using written text, that's not the problem of the rest of the contributors of this forum, it's yours :-)
In any event, it is exactly what you implied!
I wrote:
Also, M4 wasn't complaining to you. Rather, he is discussing his opinion with you, in direct response to your reply to his post. That's what we do here in usenet, or in this particular case, a BBS; discuss opinions.
American Pig replied:
That's my problem. Why should he complain to me of all people?
person 1: I believe that the map should be posted on the website. person 2: No, the map should be posted on the website.
Apparently you haven't been paying attention. He wasn't "complaining". He was sharing his opinion. For detailed differences between complaining and sharing an opinion, please read the rest of your latest contribution.
I wrote:
Personally, it's my opinion that your arrogance and sheer negativity to most of the contributors here only proves you, what is called in usenet, a troll.
American Pig replied:
I don't care about your opinion.
Well if that was true, you wouldn't have felt the need to reply so aggressively, or at all! You do care about my opinion, as you further make mention below:
You shouldn't bother contributing in this discussion. What are you trying to do? Join M4 in his campaign to prove that somehow, he knows what I was trying to better than I do?
Joining a discussion is what discussion boards are for, American Pig. I'm not trying to "do" anything other than offer my own observation, and add my own personal input to the discussion. The only "campaign" that exists to prove you less knowledgable than M4 lives in your own mind, and quite probably, should remain there :-)
I wrote:
Stop trolling this board and grow up.
American Pig replied:
Can't win on the merits of your posts, and instead you insult a person and bring their age into the discussion. Hmm, how MATURE.
Win? I didn't realize this was a contest. As far as my "insulting" you, what gives you benefit of insulting others without recourse? Lastly, regarding your actual age, I have no idea how old you are, sir, but your actions speak volumes for your maturity level. One should be able to accept criticizm when one so freely offers the same :-)
I wrote:
Take into consideration that there are people here, other than yourself, who do enjoy this forum and use it for the purpose intended;
American Pig replied:
And what purpose is this, failing to see what is responded to, and then trying to prove to someone that they said something else? Really, if you had any brains whatsoever, you'd realize right away that I was countering M4 for his interpretation of my message. I resent people trying to tell me what I REALLY think, and then calling me a troll for it.
I, nor anyone else "failed to see" anything. As I've said, if you aren't able to express yourself clearly in usenet, perhaps you should refrain from participating in such. This way, nobody would be calling you a troll for making apparent and obvious troll posts!
People are called trolls for many reasons, mostly you resent me only because I don't agree with you.
Sir, I do not, nor have I ever, "resented you". I don't even know you. I only know what you display on this board, and that is sheer arrogance and negativity towards people who disagree with you. If you feel that you're resented by those who participate here, you might want to pursue professional help which would release you of such fantasy.
Maybe when you get out in life you'll realize that not everybody agrees with you all the time. Then you can stop preaching about how we should all be friends.
I don't recall preaching anything, let alone state that anyone should "all be friends". But if it helps you any, you're right, maybe when I grow up and get out in life, I'll understand :-)
I don't know what your problem is, wrongly calling people trolls. You should be familiar with your own species.
This is quite a rebuttal from someone who "doesn't care" about my, or anyone elses, opinions :-)
In any event, you're a troll.
Before I was snipped, I continued:
discussing bus related topics without the need to flame others or attempt to make someone look foolish.
American Pig replied:
Well, I flame others when they flame me.
So now you are a troll? LOL!
My discussion with M4 didn't degrade to insults until you decided to put in your two cents.
Maybe that's your problem, sir. You don't realize when you insult someone until you yourself are insulted. I'll have you know, I received email from 4 participants regarding you and this topic, all in full support of my message. Apparently you have a problem, sir. Not many others here care for your brand of "discussion".
At any rate, I'm done wasting my time with you. Respond if you like, but rest assured it will be ignored.
Good day :-)
At any rate, I'm done wasting my time with you. Respond if you like, but rest assured it will be ignored.
Thank you, I have problems avoiding responses to my posts and would love the last word, especially if it keeps me from having to read your self-righteous garbage.
Hey Mr American Pig,,learn to calm down and grow up ,,if you feel the need to insult others or have negetive comments about threads from others,maybe it is time to leave this group and form your own group!!!
You seem very unhappy here ,buddy!!!!
I congratulate you (really), in that you're not like those four dumbasses who complain about me to Brooklyn67 by e-mail and instead do so in person, I appreciate it.
In any case, I intend to leave Bustalk. Since it's obvious that nobody here wants me, I don't need to stay here.
I've left Bustalk before, and managed to stay away for long periods of time. I'm sure that will be good for all of you people.
He said that there are schedules, to disprove the comment made by Hart Bus that it was political prejudice. If there are schedules, why not a bus map. That's what I read into the thread. Try again.
I haven't seen an updated LI Bus map in at least 3 years. Could the reason that there is none on the web site be that they simply haven't drawn one in years.
CG
Regardless of the map's age, it should be displayed on the web.
Agreed.
Since I know there is at least ONE LI BUS member on this list, perhaps
somebody can answer my question.
Each private bus company (prior to LI Bus) had their own seniority
list. What happened when MSBA was formed? How were the seniority lists
combined? Were they combined? For example, could a former Mid-Island operator start driving on a Hempstead Bus line or where the drivers
restricted to the routes of their former companies?
If a Mid-Island operator had 17 years of service and a Stage Coach operator had 17 years of service, what happened if the seniority lists
were combined.
As an aside, IIRC, when Amtrak was formed and operating divisions formed, the seniority was based on the percentage of mileage each former railroad was of the total. For example, Zone 5 covered Washington to Pittsburgh, Salisbury, and Southern Pines. Since Southern accounted for the smalles percentage (I think it was 30%), a Seaboard engineer got a higher roster number than a Southern engineer
with the SAME number of years of service. I pass on the actual
technicalities.
Michael
Living in Washington hoping to retire to New York
The original title isn't descriptive of the discussion so I'm changing it to a more meaningful title. The thread deals with seniority lists from the private bus companies to MSBA.
NYCT is slowly waking up to S.I. North Shore commuter's transit needs.
From the 08/20/2001 S.I. Advance-
http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/998316002279203.xml
It should have been fully awake a long time ago, since the North Shore has long been forced to use the ferry by way of the buses that go to St. George Terminal, whereas the rest of the island has the option of bus/train/ferry or express buses to Manhattan (or, if they have money and time, the Verrazano or Goethals Bridges.)
Sorry to be so damn arrogant....BUT!!!
Again I gave you info, CORRECT INFO and I was doubted. By NOW YOU SHOULD KNOW, I don't post unless I hear its the dammit truth!
Now I will be reserved once again!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
LOL!
You made me look professional. You beat the papers by almost a week.
Dan said official, IT was in a newspaper where most of the world gets their 'official' information, not on this board like some of us.
And your first line said it all ,"sorry to be so dam narrogant".
maybe Dan just overlooked you original, "official" post.
UGH! no sense of humor on this board!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
Too many arrogant folks.
-Hank :p
More info tomorrow,,including
Destination signs and routings,stops,,etc
If you would refer to D4000 Cruiser's Post, its there!
http://bustalk.nycsubway.org/cgi-bin/bustalk.cgi?read=36678
With new express lines starting very soon, does anybody know if NYCT is planning to hire more dispatchers from their current list, and if so, how many?
BIG AL
Today I saw Artic 5439 with a Kingsbridge sticker on the Bx 15 southbound. Is this new because I don't ride the Bx15
Interesting. Especially since the Bx15 is now an AMS route.
Wayne
what ams mean thank you
Amsterdam (depot)
That is new. AMS is closer to the southern terminus of the Bx 15 than KB is to the northern one.
They must be testing the D60 out on the Bx 15, since ridership is as heavy as it is on is LTD sister (Bx 55). Along with the possibility that Bx 15 operations may be moved back to the Bronx with the conversion of AMS to a repair shop.
Probably the dispatcher at Fordham Plaza kidnapped a BX 55 to help out with service on the BX 15 if the line was really bad.
bx15 strech bus what the maybe it was coinsidence
bx15 strech bus what the maybe it was coinsidence or maybe it was a bet and swithed routes did and did you see a orion on bx55
Perhaps a spare bus from Fordham Plaza to replace a defect and not miss a trip.
I dont nuderstand how Yukon and Castleton can care about the condition of the MCI buses while the Orion buses used for local service looked scatched up beyond belief. Even more so are the Orion V from Yukon (#6326-#6349). You figure that because NO local lines operate out of Yukon at night, they could at least update the windows. I though the windows were made with a plastic covering that can be removed. I guess Staten Island does not care about its local riders. If they did, YUKON would not have #2270 in service.(RTS-1981 model)
One thing about LI Bus, there is little if any scratchitti. Usually when I window is scratched it is replaced immediately.
SI's Orions are scratched up, but they still run pretty good.
It's the riders, stupid.
-Hank
I know i am probably being a pest about this, but does anyone know the update of the ho scale GMC New look buses and when the model will be avaible?
http://www.trans-authority.com is the place for the answer. Not here.
Steve please recheck the address. I've tried twice and AOL gives an error message that the address doesn't exist.
Thanx
The address is www.transauthority.com Note NO DASH in the address
Sorry, didn't have my glasses on, and added a dash in there where there shouldn't have been.
That's the company that's supposed to be making them, but they aren't saying a thing about them.
Patience.
At this point I would look it up in Revelations; hopefully soon though. I look forward to what APM does with this model and whether it will have batwings.
-F.
I seriously doubt it would have batwings. That's okay, I have a few spare sets from Pirate Models T8H5307A kits.
I am developing batwings for Corgi Fishbowls; later I plan to do the same for the smaller scale New Look buses. If anyone is interested, stuff the ballots and I will get cracking. Thanks!
-Fred Donaher
Star City Customs
As I have privately e-mailed you recently, you've got a customer here.
Hart Bus
Awesome! That's good enough for me; the mold is made and hopefully I will be making batwings soon; I'll keep everyone posted.
-Fred Donaher
Star City Customs
THEY'RE A COMIN'...........
RUN!!!!!!!
Just a update!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
LOL! That reminds me; Valley Metro has pics from Gillig of their new Phantoms going down the assembly line. Basically they look the same as the 1988 models they are about to replace with just a few more bells and whistles and a new Cummins powerplant. The first, no. 0101, should be arriving soon. We are also getting some Thomas SLF 235s as well.
-F.
...in fact, the CNG demo in in town right now as we speak. It's dark green all over. It looks nice.
Sorry, Trevor!
:-)
Well, hey, it's growing on me, whaddaya want?
Hey, Bingham C50! Nice chatting with ya today! You're right, South Ferry is a great spot for photo shooting! Hope we can do it again sometime! I wil pass by JG depot sometime, just to look at it. A green demo...huh!
BTW, Trevor, GIVE HUGH A CALL, WILL YA? WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE TIME! AT LEAST LEAVE A MESSAGE!
Cleanairbus
carlwal@hotmail.com
hybridbus@aol.com
Hey, what's up, Bingham C50! Nice chatting with ya today! You're right, South Ferry is a great spot for photo shooting! Hope we can do it again sometime! I wil pass by JG depot sometime, just to look at it. A green demo...huh!
BTW, Trevor, GIVE HUGH A CALL, WILL YA? WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE TIME! AT LEAST LEAVE A MESSAGE!
Cleanairbus
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Dark green, eh? Wonder how that looks...are there pics of it available? If it's still in NYC, shoot it!
-F.
Gee, D4000. I wish I could. But, um, they're slated to run out of the two depots whose buses I most freqently encounter: COL and MCH.
Pray for me.
What are the work schedules for a B/O. Ignoring screwy hours, I'm talking about straight vs. split shifts.
Straight shift: continuously on duty except for relief break
Split shift: come to work for the AM rush, released from depot for 4 or 5 hours, then come back to work. To work 8 hours, shifts might be
5-9 AM and 4- 8 PM.
What are your preferences?
This brings up a question of mine...
I know of a regular run that's 6-10AM, 3hr relief, then 1-5:30. Would this be considered out of the ordinary?
Absolutely normal. If the "swing" (or as you call it relief), is longer than 3 hours, you are paid your normal hourly rate of pay. The run above is known as a "swing run."
And what if the relief is less than 3 hours? What is the significance of 3 hours.
How about a Q50 bus from Far Rockaway to Breezy Point. That would be the first MTA bus route to run in the Rockaways. (not including the B9 & B46 special service to Jacob Riis Park)
Never will happen because Green Bus Lines has a similar route the Q-22.
Thank You
How about combining the B64 & 74 and renumbering it B66???
Actually the TA at one time did consider this but it never happened.
If any chnages will happen the B-64 will be restructed with the B-1 to form a 86th Street one seat ride and the second route (most likely the B-64) will replace the current B-1 service to Shore Rd/Bay Ridge Ave.
If any changes were to be made to the B-74 it will be to extend the route to Manhattan Beach to create a one seat ride between Sea Gate/Coney Island,Brighton Beach and Manhattan Beach something which now requires at least one or two changes
Thank You
And how about combining the B25 & 83 and renumbering it B73???
Doubt it will happen the route will be much too long and really will not be manageable. Look at the problems the TA has with the B-82
Thank You
http://workhealth.org/whatsnew/whnewrap/sftransport.html
Rather than include this link in the "Q thread", I thought it appropriate to move away from that particular subject line. This link is provided to better help those understand the stressful job that is operating a city bus.
And this line says it all:
"Unfortunately, passengers and drivers may take out their frustration on each other, instead of directing these urgent concerns towards those who are in a position to implement the needed changes."
Excellent analysis, but the conclusion seems a bit off. The authors appear to be stating that a lack of funding is the cause, and the solutions all require more spending.
On Tue Aug 21 18:25:06 2001, in response to Study: Driving a city bus, posted by Brooklyn67, RIPTA42HopeTunnel wrote:
And this line says it all:
"Unfortunately, passengers and drivers may take out their frustration on each other, instead of directing these urgent concerns towards those who are in a position to implement the needed changes."
Excellent analysis, but the conclusion seems a bit off. The authors appear to be stating that a lack of funding is the cause, and the solutions all require more spending.
I agree, however I submitted the study as a "general overview" of the many facets of professional transportation city driving that bus operators face daily, which might not be recognized by the average passenger going about their daily commute.
I'd love a NYCTA update.
A very interesting and insightful article. Mass transit is underfunded compared to roads, and it sresses both passengers and employees.
I take specific comment on trip time.
On the N20/21 just around 30 minutes is allowed between Flushing and Great Neck RR. And just 20 is allowed between Great Neck and Roslyn. This is clearly not enough time to make the trip, especially during rush hours and with all the people. And when people are standing you have to drive slower because of the safety of the people standing.
All it takes is a traffic jam, a wheelchair passenger, or a variety of other things to run late.
The N20/21 runs late alot because not enough time is allowed into the schedule. This is true with many bus routes as the article stated.
And with regards to the restroom situation. LI Bus drivers used to use the restroom at the Roosevelt Diner, but that has closed and become some upscale asian eatery, I think they have to go in McDonald's or something.
That's part of the reason the N20/21 is so damn difficult on the drivers. At the Jamaica bus terminal, as well as in Hempstead B/O's have a break room and restrooms. But in Flushing that doesn't exist. Flushing really needs a bus terminal for all the buses. I think they should get rid of the parking garage in back of 38th and build a bus terminal that both riders and drivers can enjoy. But no, once again the city accomadates the CARS over public transit.
I think they tried that in the 70's. It was planned and everything, then the city went bankrupt.
The NYCTA bus drivers have a break/bathroom in Flushing, it inside the Main St subway station. I havent seen any LI Bus drivers using it.
In the 1940's wasn't there some sort of off-street bus terminal east of Gertz in Flushing? When Stern's moved in, there was still a basement public lavatory.
I think you are right. But for whatever reason a new one wasn't built. Considering Flushing is such a busy place they should have a bus terminal. It can be a bit confusing to find bus stops in Flushing because there is no terminal, plus it seems like the stops change every year or so (except for LI Bus, which has always been near Union and Roosevelt since I can remember).
I would plan to tear down that parking garage between 138th and Union (north of 39th ave), and put a brand new bus terminal in, complete with passageway to the 7. There are too many people driving cars into Flushing. It's stupid considering mass transit is pretty good in the area. Also the LIRR station could use better access.
It boggles the mind why all these people drive to Flushing with so many bus routes, subway and LIRR access. I guess it's a matter of snobish "pride".
It may not be snobbishness as you call it, but rather people not wanting to be subject to the vagaries of mass transiy, which you have enumerated in the past.
Some people want the convenience of getting in their car and going home. The thinking is "why wait for the next bus (15-30minutes) and endure numerous stops if I can get into my car and be home in 15 minutes, especially in inclement weather.
[I would plan to tear down that parking garage between 138th and Union (north of 39th ave), and put a brand new bus terminal in, complete with passageway to the 7.]
Join the bandwagon - there's been tons of talk (and nothing else) about such things for the last 30-40 years.
My own pipe-dream calls for a mixed-use develpment on that site:
* Parking below street level;
* A (well-ventilated) bus terminal at street level, with a weather-protected connection to the Main Street Station;
* A few floors of offices and/or retail;
* A few floors of apartments.
Such a project would mitigate congestion by moving bus layovers and parking off the street; create housing and jobs; and generate MILLIONS of dollars in property tax revenues for the city (assuming private ownership).
So what is keeping this plan from becoming reality? NIMBY's?
Car friendly politicians? Probably both. :-(
Neither. It is almost certainly money.
Why would car-friendly politicians be against a building with an underground parking garage?
[So what is keeping this plan from becoming reality? NIMBY's?
Car friendly politicians? Probably both.]
Two things...
1. Money. The city doesn't have enough on hand, and a private developer would probably want a sweetheart tax break which the city can ill afford.
2. Lack of political will. Remember that politicians live only for the next election, so they'd want to support only those projects that can benefit them immediately. My Flushing Bus Terminal concept would take a while to build, so its supporters would be blamed for a large construction site AND a temporary but VERY large drop in the area's total parking capacity, while their successors (assuming term limits) would get credit for a wonderful new facility.
After reading that article, bus driving seems horrible now. But is it really as bad as they make it seem?
"After reading that article, bus driving seems horrible now. But is it really as bad as they make it seem?"
Remember, they weren't actually in passenger sevice. They hadn't witnessed all that goes along with in-service revenue trips, such as passenger complaints (bus late, bus early, bus slow, bus fast, but hot, bus cold, etc), farebeats (no change, empty metrocard, bent metrocard, etc), rowdy school kids (yelling, fighting, smoking, vandalizing, etc), people on cell-phones too busy talking to realize they missed their stop only to blame the driver for "not stopping", families feasting on board (discarding their half-eaten meals on the bus floor), filthy people leaving trash on the bus (including but not limited to newspapers, cups, cans, metrocards, personal mail, lotto tickets, religious paraphanalia, used tissues stuffed in the seat sidewall, etc), those who refuse to use the rear door to exit, those who wait until the bus is 5 feet from the stop before signaling, those who get on a bus without asking if they're on the right bus, those who shove directions scribbled on paper in the drivers face while he drives, those who carry large items onto the bus and sit in the first seat blocking entry, those who stand in the stepwells, etc.
They also didn't include possible discipline a driver may face for rule violations. I'm not saying that drivers shouldn't be penalized for certain rule infractions, but if you only knew ALL the assinine rules we have, you'd understand. Here at the NYCTA, every accident that involves movement can be prevented by the bus operator. A preventable accident can lead to discipline.
There's more to driving a bus than just driving a bus.
What do you think of the job?
I have been watching the board for a while now and I understand that NJT is buying the 96inch D4000s for the Holland Tunnel Routes. As far as I know, they are not in yet. I also have heard that there is a 96 inch with restriction for buses in the Holland Tunnel.
I sometimes have to drive to work instead of taking public transit and have noticed several things in the Holland tunnel. First I saw a MTA MCI Express bus in there....yes I kid you not...passengers and everything. I heard that the SI Expressway was majorily messed up that day. I also have seen Coach USA Downtowner-WTC D4000s #s 85-- in the mornings and this evening I saw a Union Hill RD Academy D4000 numbered 84--.
I dont remember the exact numbers and would not post them if I did for other reasons. If what I think is correct, these buses are 102 inches wide. As far as I have seen, the buses have fit in ok and have had no problems. My question is why does NJT have to go out of there way to get custom made 96/D4000 MCIs if the regular D4000s fit in the tunnel. Is it a waste of money or is there something that I am not seeing?
Well why does Radio Shack ask for your phone number when you buy batteries . . .?
*I don't know* :-/
Next time Radio Shack asks for your phone number when you are buying batteries, tell them it's none of their business. They have no right to ask you that, especially when you are paying cash. They still have to continue the transaction without your information. The reason they ask you for your name, phone number and address is so that they can send you junk mail and possibly give you telemarketing phone calls, and sell your info to other companies so they can do the same.
BIG AL
You watch Seinfeld? If so, you'd probably recognize the 'Radio Shack' line.
I would give them the following number:
382-5633
But this is a family site, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it.
Also 382-5968.
I feel sorry for people who live in the HUckleberry 2 exchange.
The PA experimented with allowing 102-inchers some years back - Trans Bridge Lines of Pennsylvania was one of the participants - and while they do "fit", there is ZERO room for error. Even a minor steering correction will take the mirrors off. NJT is ordering the 96-inch D4000s just as a matter of safety for the passengers and drivers of themselves, Suburban, and Academy. NJT will also order a handful of 96-inch suburbans for the 120 Bayonne-Wall Street.
Hmm...that explains why everything was a tight squeeze for me when driving in Blacksburg and a yet breeze in Roanoke. The first city's TA has 102" buses, the latter 96". What a difference six inches of width makes!
-F.
OK...I'm confused. How did the original post evolve into the whole thing about Radio Shack wanting your phone number? What does that have to do with the price of cheese in France? There's something I'm just not getting here. Please explain!
-F.
It was a spin-off on a Seinfeld episode when Jerry (or Elaine?) asked a question with no real answer and Kramer answered with said Radio Shack line.
Oh, I see; gotcha. Thanks!
-Fred
Just to let let all you 4448 fans to know, Casey Stengel's only RTS is now at Jamaica depot, with parts being taken off of it. Looks like she was scrapped but since C.S. depot has no use for the parts, sending her to Jamaica was about the only option. What suprised me though was the farebox and radio are still inside, but they will probably disappear very soon.
BIG AL
For the past two days I've read over and over again "QDASHTRAIN7 and Route N21." Their have been, IMHO, personal attacks on those with disabilities, other countries (migrants), and insensitivity to the rigors of safely operating a bus on time.
There definitely has been wide ranging opinions, and I respect that, regardless if I agree or not. Repeating "QDASHTRAIN7" in the subject line makes QDASHTRAIN7 the subject. I'm not sure John wanted or wants
to be the subject of the posts.
Furthermore, now that tempers have cooled, I'm sure some posters regret some of the harsh comments they wrote.
I'd appreciate it (and I bet a lot of bus talkers would also appreciate it) that if you are going to respond to a previous QDASHTRAIN7 post, PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT TITLE. Otherwise, I'm going to ask the moderator to change the page's name from Bus Talk to QDASHTRAIN7 talk.
Michael
Washington, DC
and happy to be here, away from a lot of anger
Thank you, finally somebody is saying something about this! I agree Mike!
Ray
right now its 5362,5355,5400,5293,5340 new rcorod for mourning oh yeah and artics from kingsbride 5491, and another
Who died that they are in mourning?
-Hank
Hank, cut the shit with the spelling, I'm sorry everyone is not as smart as you...
Hey, cut the shit with the complaining. Anyone who can spell 'mourning' knows how to spell 'morning'. I'm sorry you lack the intelligence to see that.
-Hank
people do make mistakes {Mr.teacher!}shit, cant even make a mistake
I suggest you pay more attention to your 'Mr.teacher', then.
-Hank
Should've changed the subject title too.
Hah, so obviously, both you and I, Hank, are dumb! Ooooo yeah, Duff Man is thrusting in the direction of stupidity (Hank's house in SI)...
I suggest you make a serious attempt at growing up.
-Hank
You know I thought I was arrogant, BUT that shit takes the cake. Anyone who calls me arrogant from this point forward has no clue what arrogance is until they read these post in this thread before this one!
Point proven.
Abercrombie & Fitch Boi...? I don't think I want to say anything.
If he misspelled it as 'morming', 'moening', 'mirning', or any other odd spelling, I probably wouldn't have said a word. And I
haven't said anything on any other of a number of typos and misspellings. But with homonyms it's an easy thing to take the statement in the written context.
Like 'sight' and 'site'. You can see a site, and you can see the sights, and you can look at websites; you can site a building, and you can cite a judicial decision. Mix those up, and you change the meaning of the sentences they're used in.
-Hank
That's all well and good and I believe that most of the people here understand that. HOWEVER, it's not necessary to nit-pick at everyones faults in spelling, grammar and so forth.
I don't think you'd be in the best mood if someone nit-picked at something you did or said. At some point we are all guilty of nit-picking, however, you continually do it. Once in a blue is cool, but it seems like every other of your post is a complaint or a correction on ones spelling.
Also, Do you have a issue with my handle?
A&F Boi
As I said, I wasn't nitpicking. The intent was to make a joke of it.
I think your handle is both advertising for a lousy clothier (too expensive for what you get) and just plain old funky.
-Hank
Oh yeah sure, Trevor is getting paid to change his handle to A&F Boi...you have to be real intelligent to believe that one...Maybe he likes the clothing. I like Unionbay and Billabong...he likes A&F, btw keep your hate opinions to yourself, we are only allowed to fight about Redbirds, and railfan windows. That is all that you will hear from me to you. THIS ENDS IT ALL!
He asked why I didn't like his handle. I explained it. I never said or suggested he was getting paid for it (although it would be cool if one COULD get paid for it...) I don't particularly care to wear clothing that advertises the company that sells it, especially when comparable clothing without unpaid advertising of identical quality can be had for le$$. (For that matter, why the hell would someone pay $325 for a Jeff Gordon jacket that has Dupont, GM, and many other assorted logos on it?)
I suggest you go see Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Pay very special attention to the 'after-ending'. That is if you can convince your parents to allow you to attend an R-rated movie.
I hope you are successful in ending it all. I will watch the papers.
-Hank
I'm taking this to email...Bye!
Well if your jokes wasn't so dammit assine, we wouldn't be here now would we!
A&F Boi
And to my boy, Flxible Metro D #1975, sorry for not changing the name settings! My Fault :o)
A&F Boi
umm..morning?
new record now its 5362,5355,5400,5278,5340,5293 my fault morning okay
Hi, this might be off topic, but... why can one not access ALL posts consecutively concerning a given thread? In many cases, there may be, say 20 posts, but after,say, one or two, it reads NO RESPONSES, whereby one is forced to backtrack to the First in Thread and click each response individually. Can't they all be "hooked up" in succession, somehow?
I think the reason it happens is based on how you respond.
Person B's response to A's message appears belows A's message. If person C responds to B's message, C's message appears belows B. But if D responds to A's message, it appears under A's message, not C's.
There ISN'T any sequential listing. It's based on who's message you respond to.
I think I have it right.
Michael
Washington, DC
Yes, it's a threaded listing, and if working as you describe, is doing exactly what it is supposed to do.
-Hank
Why not just have a sequential listing of All responses to a topic,REGARDLESS of whether D is responding to A, B, C, or all the above?
I'm not the moderator of the list but I can understand the current format. If you look at the main screen, some responses are indented and some aren't.
The problem with the sequential listings is you can't tell who is
responding to who. You would read a few messages and then "Where does this fit in?"
Michael
Less confused in Washington, DC now that he understands how
this works.
When growing up on the Island, I'd collect bus schedules and try to block the buses. (Back then I didn't know that's what I was doing.) For those not familiar with the terminology, I was trying to figure out how many buses were needed to run the scheduled trips on a route.
I came across certain situations where buses seemed to have very long layovers. I discovered that buses disappeared from and appeared onto the route. A good example is LI Bus schedules for routes N46 and 50.
N50 leaves Hicksville at :34 and arrives Bellmore at :00.
N50 leaves Bellmore at :50 and arrives Hicksville at :16
At first glance it seems strange that for a trip that lasts 26 minutes, there would be a layover of 50 minutes at Bellmore.
N46 leaves Hempstead at :03 and arrives Bellmore at :40
N46 leaves Bellmore at :10 and arrives Hempstead at:47
It seems there really is 10 minutes layover. N50 arrives at :00 and leaves as N46 at :10 to Hempstead. The N50 bus has INTERLINED with the
N46 and in the other direction the N46 bus has INTERLINED with the N50 bus.
Can the LI Bus operators on this list tell me how much interlining there is at A) Hempstead B)Hicksville?
Can the NYCTA operators on this list tell me how much interlining is done at Williamsburg Plaza (Marcy Street) and Kings Plaza?
Thank you
Michael
Living in Washington, DC
Remembering riding the brown Jerusalem Avenue buses (numbers 72-81) between Seaford and Hempstead.
Michael,
The N-46 and N-50 are considered one table. A run can operate as follows Begin in Hempstead as N-46 and do one trip to Bellmore. He leaves Bellmore as a N-50 and does a round trip to Hicksville. He then returns to Hempstead as a N-46. LI Bus those these split trips on the following runs N31/32,N40/41,N73/74,N80/N81,N48/49,N70/71/72. In additon many routes have a trip on a different route. Run 3604 on the N-36 does a round trip on the N-25.
Basically New York City Transit has not done this split trips in the past but are beginning to do it now. Staten Island and Queens have these runs already. In Brooklyn the B-39 all night service is provided by the B-46(Flatbush Depot) and the Q-54 (Fresh Pond Depot) hawks. The B-39 has no hawk at this time. Some East New York Depot routes have some split line work on the B-25 and B-83 and B-42 and other lines which i do not have the specifics. In Ulmer Park some express runs operate on 2 lines(I believe an x-29 run does some x-27 trips). In Flatbush some B-44 runs do some peak hour B-6 trips even though the B-6 is an Ulmer Park run.
Hope this helps
Thank You
Thank you for the information. What do you mean N46 and N50 are considered one table?
I don't consider N31/32, N40/41, N73/74, N80/N81, N48/49 interlining as they have the same destination at both ends. N73/74 both begin in Hicksville and end in Wantagh. The only difference is that N73 takes a circuitous route through Levittown. (I'm still trying to figure it out. Tried to drive it two years ago at my Xth year MacArthur HS reunion and couldn't.)
Based on you answer, it seems there is very little interlining at Hempstead and Hicksville. A line might cross over to its "sister" line going to the same destination.
I would consider 81 interlining with N55 or N71 at Sunrise Mall.
BTW, where is (or are) the LI Bus depots? Are they the former private company depots? (I know the Jerusalem Avenue depot on Jerusalem Avenue near Merrick Avenue is gone.)
Michael
It means that the N46/N50 is considered one table or one line for the operators similar to the N-4
There is no N-46 table or N-50 table
Re:depots The main depot is at Mitchel Field and is offically called Norman J. Levy Depot.
Rockville Center Depot is the former Bee Line garage but was totally rebuilt approx 10 years ago. A small office building was retained and is part of the current depot
Thank You
The largest depot is on Commercial avenue in East Garden City. It was the first to get CNG, and operates full time. The Rockville Centre depot near the LIRR used to be all diesel until last year I think, when they finally got the CNG fueling put in. I think this depot only operates on weekdays. Before they got the CNG over at RVC that's where all the diesel Orions in the 500s and 600s were. I think they were swapped for CNG's from Mitchell Field (I dunno the numbers).
I remember how good thise diesel Orions ran when they got their weekend "rest" but now they have the wear and tear of all the other buses. The 600s still perform pretty well though. Gotta luv that 6V-92 engine! :-)
I'm not sure but I think Mitchell Field got there larger share of the new 300 series Orions, because it's a larger depot. If anyone has an up to date roster I'd like to see it.
On Staten Island, this was done at one time on the s78/79 when both routes ran to the Ferry, and is currently done on the s55/56 (but does it count?). Leaves the SI Mall as a s55, has no layover at Tottenville HS and changes to a s56 to return to the mall; then leaves the mall as a s56, reverses course. I'm sure there are some x-bus runs that do this, but I can't think of any other routes that might do this, not counting the limiteds.
-Hank
Re: The X27/29
While the X27 and X29 are not interlined with eachother, they are both interlined with the X25. Most runs on the X25 also do a run on the X27 or X29. One or two X25 runs do actually come out of Quill. Also, some X90/92 afternoon runs are interlined with the M30.
Sort of...
There are no X25 runs. All X25 work is done by runs on the X27, X28, and X29 routes. All X27, X28, and X29 runs are worked by Bus Operators from Ulmer Park Depot. 20 Ulmer Park buses are parked on the roof of Michael J. Quill Depot after their AM work is done. Some of those buses do X25 work in the morning and/or the evening.
David
Some N21's to Flushing go in as N27's. The 3:37pm N27 out of Hempstead does an N21 run to Flushing after a short layover in Glen Cove. I don't know if goes back as an N27, I doubt it since it does the 6:54pm out of Flushing and gets to Glen Cove later. I'm not sure but I think that run has two Flushing trips. I think he does a return trip to Flushing and is the last N21 to Glen Cove.
Usually there are 300s on that run, but it was a Cummins bus this time.
From the look or these busses they look like they are orion 5 busses , but what is theire official name
what were those old busses that ran on the M 86, and M7 called (they have not been in service for 7 years)
The only articulated buses that NYCTA runs are New Flyer D60/high floors. I think they had a demonstration artic sometime in the early 80's, but no regular orders until the D60's.
They are on the M86 but not M7.
I meant the old busses wit h rear windows, and cords for requested stops
Oh, wait, you mean the GM Fishbowls and Flxible New Looks, right?
maybe. I dont know what they were called they also had rollsigns
From the look or these busses they look like they are orion 5 busses , but what is theire official name
You wouldn't happen to be referring to the Orion 6 low floor buses, would you?
My fav Classic bus type:
Am General 51 Passenger (1972-1975 Retired In Phoenix 1997)
My fav Current bus type (TIE):
GM RTS 04 & TMC RTS 06 44/45 Passenger (1980-1989 Retirment In Phoenix 1999-2005)
New Flyer LF40 37/40 Passenger (1998-2000 Retirement In Phoenix 2002 -2010)
What are your fav Buses Past and Present?
I live in Washington, DC. WMATA bought a lot of AMG (American Motors General). What a colossal mistake. The buses couldn't climb hills and the A/C had to be cut out to get any power.
IIRC, Washington got the first set of buses AMG ever made. Clearly, WMATA should have passed and let the honor of owning the first fleet of AMG's to some other city.
Michael
Michael, that is correct; WMATA got the initial AMG batch in 1974. We have one partially restored and preserved in our fleet...35-footer no. 7535.
Fred Donaher
Curator
Commonwealth Coach and Trolley Museum
www.arcticboy.com/buses/savebus.html
My favorite buses of all time are the Flxible New Looks; I grew up on these and I LOVE their styling. My other favorite is the Grumman 870 for the same reasons. My newer favorite is the Flx Metro, even though they are no longer made. :(
As far as currently produced buses go, don't laugh, but I lean towards the Gillig Phantom. As far as styling, my faves are the RTS (it is the sleekest new transit bus made) and the New Flyer Invero as it has retro cues.
-F.
Valley Metro is retiring all of the diesel bus fleet (RTS, Flyer & MAN artic) for alt fuel Lowfloor 40 & 45 Foot NAMBI (I hate the Nambis Here in Metro Phoenix they only sit 21 (All Isle Facing Seats). MAN Artics will be gone in January (6 are left, they scrap eachother for parts.) Can anyone send Low Floor Alt Fuel artics to Phoenix For Free?
My favorites
1 - Grumman 870/Flxible Metro - IMHO easily the best looking buses ever built
2 - last generation GM new looks
3 - Eagle 05
and the MCI's D4000 get honorable mention.
Wayne
Amen to that; I LOVE the sleek lines of the 870/Metro! I'll drink to that anyday.
-F.
Past, although not that far past: Orion I
Present: Neoplan AN440 with ZF transmission and 6v92TA engine, and the new SEPTA articulateds
El Dorado Transmark REs (note that these are SEPTA buses)
My favorites:
Flxible New Look (WMATA 8594-8603 specifially that had the electronic signs)
Flxible Metro-D with the roof mounted A/C
Orion V (2100-22xx WMATA series)
Orion VI little by little
Once again, I'll drink to that on the Flxes. The Orion Vs have also grown on me as they kind of remind me of the latter, especially the inside of the WMATA versions.
-F.
Yeah, the newer Orion V's feel different for whatever reason than the 4200-44xx Orion V's and are a million times better than the 9601-9660 Orion V's. I kept getting stuck riding 9608 and 9617 the past several days and those buses just felt cheap compared to the 2100 series. Of course riding on Flx Metro-B 9492 was a nice treat tonight.
You lucky dog! I wish I could have rode a Flx Metro around town tonight. Oh well, there's always the Grumman at our museum. BTW, I am now offering custom WMATA models complete with destination signs; 1C/Ballston is my initial offering (I thought of you on that one).
Yeah, I like the newer Orions as well; in fact, we had no 2164 and 3900 down from WMATA last year as demos. I rode 3900 and the ride was quiet and smooth; in fact, I almost wished that Valley Metro would have gotten some of them for their next round.
-Fred
Very cool!! Thanks! 2164 is used in No. Va a lot on the Arlington division routes. I saw 3900 the other day on the 1E from Seven Corners Shopping Center to Ballston.
That's cool; it's nice to know where they are running. Are the Flx Metros still on the runs between the Smithsonian and MD?
-Fred
Hmmm, Smithsonian to MD? Is that the N7 from Federal Triangle to Montgmery Mall? They do use Flx Metros on them when I do see it. I've seen a lot of Metro-E's and sometimes the 9200 series B's. Orion is dominating so many of the routes now, that is more of a rarity to see regular Flxible runs on any route these days. They are scattered all over the place.
I see; but are Flxibles still seen as often in DC? I hope so as they are my favorites. I'll have to go up to DC soon to ride them.
-F.
Well it does seem that the older Orion CNG's we have (100-245, 270-287) seem to have a smoother ride and don't feel as "cheap" as the new 300s. I think the newer Orions are lighter and more cheaply built.
Also being lighter those new Orions sway alot more. Or is it just my imagination?
I'm not a big fan of Orions anyway, my favorite buses are the RTS design.
My Best Overall Is A RTS. Speed Is Excellent (70mph Express Runs) and 75F A/C (4430 A/C On 365 Days)
My four all-time favorites (don't laugh or boo or hiss...):
1)Flxible METRO (D and E series mostly)
2)NovaBUS RTS-06
3)Orion V
4)MCI D4500 Cruiser
The NABI 416.08 gets honorable mention.
My Favorite low-floors:
Orion VI (why, IDK)
New Flyer C40LF
NABI 416LF
My Favortie OTRs:
1)MCI D4500
2)MCI "Renaissance" E4500s(Is that their technical name?)
3)Vanhool C2045
Cleanairbus
carlwal@hotmail.com
hybridbus@aol.com
My favorite buses are:
1) Flxible 870 a & b
2) Flxible Metro A
3) Flxible Metro B
4) MCI D4000
5) Flxible Metro D
Tone
Very choice favorites; I'll drink to those!
-Fred
No boos here; those sound similar to my favorites per category.
-F.
I know many disagree but RTS's seem to have better A/C. The one I rode on the Canal-Grand shuttle a week ago was ice cold. It looked fairly new, with felt seats and a Series 50 engine.
Yes there is another odd bus on the property. Took some photos of it this AM. When I finish the roll I'll scan them & get Gary or Trevor to post them. I'm also going to try & get someone to make the wheel chair lift come out on the MCI Cruiser & take some photos of that.
Meanwhile, can anyone out there ID the bus ?
Hints:
- It's set up for express service
- Not mfg by MCI
- Single front door w/wheel chair lift
- But only 43 seats (now that ought to give it away)
First person to ID the bus gets a 50 cent tour of a local bus depot.
Gave one yesterday to a BusTalker who claimed the tour with his rain check, he won the prize some time ago.
BTW, It's not clear if she'll be found on the streets ... one inside source says no, another says maybe. But in any case she won't be here much longer.
Mr t__:^)
OK...I'm betting this is an RTS Wide Front Door. Any takers?
Either that or they've started making MCI Classics again with a front W/C.
How about a Viking over the road coach
Thank You
At first, I thought it might be an Orion V Suburban, similar to the 5 ex-NY Bus Service demos now in service for Green Bus Lines (at least I think it's Green) or the buses OmniRide in Virginia recently bought (I'm sure the DC area posters will know what I'm talking about). When you said 43 seats, though, I figured that might not be the case, as the rear seats of an Orion V generally only have 2 seats on each side with a gap in the middle.
The only other guess I could make would be the RTS WFD, but I'm still leaning toward the Orion V Suburban.
Thurston, if you can get pics of the MCI Cruiser and email them to me, I'd be happy to post them. Is the MCI in QSC Colors or is it similar to the pics that Trevor has? BTW Trev: Like the photos. Again, you did a great job. I see it has no number on it.
What line(s) does it run on and at what times? Is it leaving QSC property anytime soon?
About strange bus 2-I would guess a C40LF Model similar to what JG has.
#823 B61
#1 QM1A
Orion V-one door model-like GBL Orion V models #719-#722(ex New York Bus service)
Maybe a FLXIBLE?
If its the same bus that visited Liberty Lines Express this week then its the NOVA RTS-08 WFD. It has a gray wrap on it and says RTS EXPRESS on the sides of it.
Peace,
Kevin
Here are two photos I took at Liberty Lines Express Garage this week.
View 1
View 2
Enjoy,
Kevin Barsky
Nice photos Kevin - thanks. The color scheme seems to make the flat front design of that model much more acceptable, although I admit I am one of the RTS fans who likes the flat front design.
Very nice lookin' bus!
this bus is cool. tell me NYC is getting it as well. I've been on this model in Chicago(minus the window)-it's so cool. please please please say yes
Humm!! Could it be a 1 Door Nova RTS?
OK, Kevin shows a photo of it (but has won before), Mark just turned in a rain-check for his prize, so Ctrabs comes next the closest.
Please email me & we'll try to make arangement with me.
Thanks to all who played. I took some photos of the MCI with the wheel cair lift out & will provide them to Gary or Treveor for posting.
Mr t__:^)
How about anybody that guess for the 1 Door Nova RTS?
Sorry, one winner per contest & you need to have the correct answer, but I will give you a Bronx cheer for coming close !
Better luck next time.
BTW, The MCI Commuter Demo is still in service at QSC. She'll be taking folks for a ride thru Wednesday. Thursday is her travel day out-of-town.
Mr t__:^)
Hope NYCT adopts that paint scheme...odd to see fireballs on a vehicle that usually has a top speed of 40mph.
-Hank
LOL ... I thought you were out of town, hope you didn't bring your laptop with you.
Mr t__:^)
Wish I could be, but no; work intrudes. This is what happens when you set a date, then change jobs. Traditionally, this is the time of year when the company releases the full version-ups of all our major products (ie, we go from 1.0 to 2.0, instead of 1.0 to 1.1) For our software to be compatible with WinXP, we need to complete serious testing.
-Hank
I keep hearing and seen for myself the troubles of maintaining the B82 line. Isnt the B6 just as long or even longer than the B82? How's does it compare to the B82 as far as service and reliabilty?
B6#9091MikeLimited
B82#5006Mike
When I come to NY to dance tango over three day holiday weekends, I return to Brooklyn and ride the subway and buses. (I dream of retiring to New York. I'm sure a look at the "Times" real estate pages will snap me to reality. LOL) I made a few trips on B83, B82, and B6. IMHO, the situation (not problem) is that the B82 goes to Starrett City. When I rode the B82, especially eastbound, there were a lot of seniors on the bus.
Also, the headway on the B6 is about one half of the B82 (the last time I checked the schedule.) B6 has some buses that turn at the Carnarsie subway station to help maintain the short headway. B82 doesn't have a turnback. I'm not sure what can be done about the B82.
Michael
Michael,Having grown up in Canarsie and still own propoerty in the area I return to the area frequently. Ridership on the B-6 has shown extenstive growth due to the establishment of free transfers between subway and buses via Metro Card. B-6 passengers have a choice between the L Line at Rockaway Parkway and the #2 or #5(rush hours) at the Nostrand/Flatbush Ave Junction. The B-82 really only has the L Line at Rockaway Parkway. True the B-82 connects with the Brighton Line(now Q Lines) it is a much longer ride to and from Manhattan.
In addition the B-6 always had trips that begin at Rockaway Parkway while the B-82 all trips begin in Starrett City. Also in my opinion the B-82 is a much longer ride than the B-6
Hope this will help you
Thank You
the B6 constanly gets more runs added to it. I know that FLA does 4 or 5 extra runs between Rockaway Parkway Station to Flatbush-Nostrand in the AM hours. Wish the B82 could operate extra between Starret City and Rockaway Parkway Station as well
I read on the official MTA web page (service advisories-Brooklyn) that the B7 was extended July 1 to the Kings Highway Station on weekends and goes as far west as Coney Island Avenue. However, the schedule hasn't been updated on the web, a real sign of intelligence!!
The extended B7 should draw some of the traffic off the B82 and improve B82's performance.
Michael
Living in Washington, dreaming of moving back to New York
Michael,
The B-7 extenstion which has been around for approx 18 years on weekdays to E.16th St only really does not effect the B-82. while it duplicates the B-82 between Coney Island and Flatbush Aves the frequency of the B-7 really makes no dent in the B-82 service. If anything it will complicate it because of additonal traffic. The B-7 extenstion only provides the B-7 passenger a one seat ride to the KIngs Highway Shopping District between Ocean and Coney Island Aves. This ridership has developed because of the MetroCard bus/subway transfer.
The B-82 has its own problems:
1-Route is too long
2-Believe it or not people still refer to the B-5 in the old B-5 area and this change was made almost 6 years already. I even saw a TA release for a Shuttle Bus to replace the N Line subway with a B-5 reference.
3-It is in the wrong depot. It should be in Flatbush which is right in the middle or split between East New York and Ulmer Park. At times the wrong part of the line has too much service and parts not enough service. This is because the route is in East New York which is at the east end of the route while the heaviest ridership is at the west and central part of the line. If there is a delay at one end buses are short turned before it reaches the western part of the route and this causes delays at that end.
Thank You
I guess I can agree with point #3. More people in Starrett City take the B83 than the B82 because of the more subway options:
B83: A,C,J,L,Z(rush hours) 3,4 2,5(rush hours)
B82: L
Maybe there could be short runs betweeen CI Ave and Rock Pkwy like the B6. The farthest west I rode the B82 is to CI Ave so I cant comment on the situation between CI Ave and Gravesend. How is the B82 after CI Ave heading towards Gravesend?
B6#4869MikeLimited
B82#8345Mike
B83#4945Mike
The B7 extension was designed, in part, to insure reliable service along Kings Highway between E. 16th Street and Coney Island Avenue in the event of a disruption of B82 service, so that people boarding in the B7/B82 corridor (west of Flatbush Avenue) would be able to get to the B68 route.
Whether the B82 route is too long is a matter for debate. However, there are other routes (including the B6) that are longer.
As for which route "should" house the B82, those decisions are made by the Department of Buses based on various factors, including but not limited to operating costs and depot capacity. It should be remembered that the flow of passengers on this line (at least on weekdays) is primarily westward (coming out of Starrett City) in the morning and eastward in the afternoon, and (contrary to what was stated in the post I'm responding to) riding east of Coney Island Avenue is higher than riding west of that street for most of the operating day.
David
RARELY, but still significantly, the B82 has a short-turn. On some Guide-a-Rides if you're headed for Starret it'll say 1-2 buses a day are turned back at Flatbush where the B7 turns at night. When going to Bensonhurst, some turn at Coney Isl where the B7 turns during the day.
i rode the B82 last night (run #036-#8678)-this bus was crowded at midnight from Bensonhurst. We even picked up a wheelchair on this trip. Any one who thinks that the B82 doesnt get crowded past Coney Island Avenue are wrong-especially during weekdays when schools are open. The B82 is Steps crowded from Coney Island Avenue on to Bay Parkway. They should resplit the route again.
Just like its predecessors the B5/50.
B82 was good when ENY and ULP were both doing the routes. Ulmer Park had 17-20 runs(labeled 101-120) and ENY had about 20 or so. Ulmer Park should have had this route COMPLETLY.
B64-#9305
"Ulmer Park should have had this route COMPLETLY."
Okay, the way it was is the B6 and B82 were both based out of BOTH East New York and Ulmer. They were shared. I don't know how long ago, but the B82 went completely to ENY and the B6 went completely to UP. Are you saying UP should have ALL B6s and B82s. Or should the B6 go to ENY, which isn't a good idea b/c of its shorturn at Rock Pkwy station.
the b6 was ALWAYS a Ulmer Park route. only 4 or 5 runs comes from Flatbush in the AM hours. The split depots on the b82 occured becasue a bulk of the runs were actually old B5 runs(on Kings Highway it was the b5 and the b50 before the slpit). Ulmer Park had about 17-20 runs and ENY had 20-25 runs. ENY took over the route eventually,though i dont know why.
to simplify probably
Hello everyone; just wanted to let you know I may be placing another custom WMATA Flx Metro model on eBay soon. Other Flxibles I may do in the near future include Cleveland RTA, Baltimore MTA, NYCTA/MABSTOA (Grumman), and others. If there is one you would like to see done, let me know and I'm willing to tackle it!
-Fred Donaher
Star City Customs
CAN YOU MAKE A FLX METRO WITH THE LIBERTY LINES BEE LINE COLORS????
You bet I could! E-mail me and let's talk turkey.
-F.
Bronx Division
is
Amsterdam
Gun Hill
Kingsbridge
Mother Clara Hale
Manhattan Division
is
126 st
Hudson Depot
Manhattanville
Michael J Quill
Brooklyn Division
is
E N Y
Flatbush
Fresh Pond
Jackie Gleason
Ulmer Park
Queens Division
is
Casey Stengl
Jamaiaca Depot
Queens Village
Staten Island Division
is
Castleton
Yukon
Bx42 now Split Depot Operation ---King and Gun Hill
M106 now split Depot Operation --Quill and Manhatt
X21 New Route Pleasent Plains==East Midtown Express
YUKON
X22 New Route Tottenville-East Midtown Express
YUKON
X30 New Route Sunnyside--Manhattan Express
CASTLETON
X81 New Route Bay Street Limited
CASTLETON
S93 New Route Brooklyn--Willowbrook LTD
CASTLETON
BRONX DIVISION
AMSTERDAM DEPOT
BX3,Bx6,BX13,BX15 M100 M101 M104
GUN HILL DEPOT
BX1,4,5,8,9,12,14,16,17,22,25.26,27,28,29,30,31,34
Bx 36 39 40 42
KINGSBRIDGE DEPOT
BX 1,2,3,7,9 ,10 11,13,16,18,20,28,31,32,35,36,39
bx 41 ,42,55
MOTHER CLARA HALE DEPOT
Bx19 21 33
M1,7,30,98,SH ( Lenox Av Shuttle)
MANHATTAN DIVISION
126 st DEPOT
M15,31,35,57,66,116
MANHATTANVILLE DEPOT
M 2 3 4 5,18,60 96 101 103 106
HUDSON DEPOT
M 6 8 9 ,11,14 16 21,22,34,
Q32
CANAL ST SHUTTLE
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MICHAEL J QUILL DEPOT
M 10 20 23 27 30 42 50 72 79 86 96 98 102 106
X90 X92
BROOKLYN DIIVISION
EAST NEW YORK DEPOT
B 7 8 12 14 15 17 20 25 40 42 45 60 82 83
Q 24 Q56
JACKIE GLEASON DEPOT
B 9 ,11,16 23 35 37 43,51 61 63 65 67 69 68
B 70 71 74 77
DEKALB St SHUTTLE
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FLATBUSH DEPOT
B 2 6 31 39 41 44 46 49 78
FRESH POND DEPOT
B13 18 20 24 26 38 39 48 52 54 57
Q 54 55 58 59
ULMER PARK DEPOT
B 1 3 4 6
X 25 27 28 29
B 36 68 74
QUEENS DIVISION
CASEY STENGEL DEPOT
Q 12 13 14 15 16 20a 20b 26 27 28 32 44 48
x51
q58 74 76
JAMAICA DEPOT
Q 3 4 5 17 42 63 64 88 84 85
QUEENS VILLAGE DEPOT
Q 1 2 30 31 32 36 43 46
X68
Q 75 79 83 88
STATEN ISLAND DIVISON
CASTLETON DEPOT
X 2 10 11 12 13 14 16 18 20 30
S 40 42 44 46 48 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 59 60 62
S 66 67 74 76 78
S 81 90 92 93 94 96 98
YUKON DEPOT
x 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 15 17 18 21 22 31
s 54 55 56 59 61 74 76 78 79
S 91
I hate to be a Hank, but you didn't put the X80 in the Castleton list...Thanks for the info!
Hi
There is no X80 in Staten Island
The S 81 is included in the listing for September 2001`
You said the X81 express something....Whatever doesn't matter!
jeez clayton it's a typo
Pot, Kettle, Black.
Peckerhead.
-Hank
The B68 is out of Jackie Gleason, Not Ulmer Park.i
It was a typo,,yuo can see the B68 at JG,
should have read B64...After working 3 days of 16 hr shift,,the vision goes fast!!!
Steve
NYC Fire Dept
True!!!
You meant the B75 is out of JG Depot, not the B74 right?
B74#9093Mike
B75#911Mike
Like i said,,when you work long hours ,like I do ,,you become a poor typist
I am trying to share my stuff with all of you
Steve
Like i said,,when you work long hours ,like I do ,,you become a poor typist
I am trying to share my stuff with all of you
The B74 from UP and the B75 is from JG
Steve
Cool - There seems to be a bunch of Bronx routes that will be split between two depots.
Wayne
this is cool does that mean that artics are going to be combined bewteen KB and GH more artics on 28 and 31
The Bx3 is out of KB not Amst., and the Bx36 is also out of KB, not GH.
These routes are split depot operated
Not for nothing Guy, but I work out of Gun Hill, and the ONLY X's that we operate are with in our own Routes, and we also don't have any split routes and BTW, the Bx1 is also out of KB.
Bx1 King and GH
Bx 3 king and Ams
Bx 9 King and GH
Bx13 King and Ams
Bx16 GH and King
Bx28 GH and King
Bx31 GH and King
Bx36 King and GH
Bx39 GH and King
Bx42 GH and King
M30 Quill and Hale
M96 Quill and Manhattanvill
M98 Quill and Hale
M101 Manhattan and Ams
M106 Quil and Manhattanville
The ONLY split route (if you want to call it that) out of GH is the BX12 with additional runs from KB due to the Beach service (ONLY on the weekends), and some X's during the morning rush. and that's it. There will be shifting of routes once Colusium and 100 street open up.
like the bx31 hey buster whats up with runs from kingsbride in the morning oh yeah since you work at Gh put alot of artics on the bx31
Well, Like I said the KB runs are X's for the AM rush, and I understand that artics on the Bx26, and Bx28 are there for nothing more than a lack of buses.
B70 is out of JG? And when does the S93 go into effect and what is its route pattern? I've heard of it, but not too much.
Sorry, I thought B70 was really out of UP. My mistake, but please explain the S93 someone?
The S93 will operate from 86th Street-4th Avenue to the College of Staten Island in Willowbrook. It will operate NON_=-STOP between 92nd Street-Fort Hamilton Parkway to Clove Road-Tioga Street-then limited stops on Victord Boulevard-Jewett Avenue then all stops to the college.
there are 3 am and 3 pm trips:
AM-6:55,7:55,8:55
pM-3:55,4:55,5:55
If anyone needs routing materials for the new routes,,I have EVERYTHING you need
Steve
Updated August 27 2001
x21 northbound
x21 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA MADISON AV
X21 southbound
x21 PLEASNT PLAINS
VIA ROSSVIL
VIA BLOOMINGDALE
x22 northbound
X22 EAST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA MADISON AV
X22 southbound
x22 TOTTENVILLE
VIA ROSSVIL
VIA AMBOY
Updated Sept 10,2001
X30 northbound
x30 WEST MIDTOWN
57 ST
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA MADISON AVENUE
X30 southbound
X30 SUNNYSIDE
VIA NEW JERSEY
VIA FOREST AVENUE
UPDATED aUGUST 13 ,2001
DEKALB SHUTTLE
Manhattan Bound
SHUTTLE TO
GRAND ST
MANHATTAN
DEKALB SHUTTLE
Brooklyn Bound
SHUTTLE TO
DEKALB AV STA
BKLYN
I have an idea: A BusTalk scale to rate buses.
Each of the following characteristics would be rated 1 to 10, and those ten scores would add up to the bus' total score. I propose this ten-point check of each type of bus:
0 * ACCESSIBILITY (eg width of aisle, placement of doors, interior mobility, etc)
1 * AVAILABILITY OF BASIC OPTIONS (eg door configurations, a/c mount, etc)
2 * VERSATILITY (eg appropriate vehicle to use on different types of routes)
3 * MAINTENACE based on experience from various TAs
4 * RELIABILITY based on experience from various TAs
5 * AFTERMARKET SUPPORT from manufacturer/suppliers
6 * DRIVER COMFORT
7 * PASSENGER COMFORT
8 * AESTHETICS/ATTENTION TO DESIGN
9 * (Help me out here! I cannot come up with a tenth item!)
plus bonus points for:
A * EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE WITH ALTERNATE FUELS (+4 points)
B * AT LEAST THREE SEPARATE ORDERS (one order + two repeat orders not options) BY ANY OF TOP TEN TAs (+5 points)
Now of course, some of these categories are highly subject to opinion, but I think this scale might be a good way to see how the many types of transit buses out there stack up.
I will start:
RTS
CATEGORY / SCORE
0 / 5
1 / 8
2 / 9
3 / 7
4 / 9
5 / 4
6 / 4
7 / 6
8 / 9
9 / ..
A / +0
B / +5
TOTAL 66 (out of 90, right now)
Tell me what you think of this scale... Am I an idiot, or do I have a good idea that we can all refine and use as a standard?
9) Durability - based on number of fleet defects/problems as opposed to regular maintenance.
10) Longevity - based on number of years in regular service.
murf....................
Wait, can everyone give their opinions on what should be rated 1-10 in each category or is it going to be something where only one opinion matters and it speaks for the rest of us? (If you can't understand the question, you can e-mail me and I can further explain what I am asking for...)
Cleanairbus
carlwal@2hotmail.com
hybridbus@aol.com
Okay, New Flyer Artics, I pick these b/c they are mediocre on my mental list so I'm not biased
0) 10/10
1) 9/10
2) 2/10
3) 6/10
4) 4/10
5) 8/10
6) 5/10
7) 9/10
8) 5/10
9) Let's say: "Positive effect on traffic?": 4/10
Total) 62/100?
Great news, folks; I have just listed more custom Flx Metro models on eBay. My familiar WMATA offering is on there, along with Cleveland RTA and Baltimore MTA. Also, I may have a Bee Line version in the works; in other news, I have been commissioned to do a Suffolk Transit 30-footer in September, along with a regular 40 ft. version in the newer WMATA colors and a NYCTA Grumman 870. Later on, I may offer a model of MABSTOA Grumman no. 631, complete with batwings (yes, you heard me right). Just wanted to keep everyone posted!
-Fred Donaher
Star City Customs
http://community-1.webtv.net/SMOKIECAT
I am looking for an updated listing of the NYC DOT routes
Thanks
Steve
I can send you a Current Valley Metro Headsign List (August 13 2001) Its In MS Excell 2000 Windows format.
What does it contain ??
Steve
A List of All Valley Metro Bus Routes with Destation Signs.
I am looking for the NYC DOT Companies and routes,can you assist me
Steve
Does anybody know the address for the Bus History Association?
While I was watching the news, I saw a good shot of a NYCT MCI parked at the curb at 42nd St/2nd Av. She looked like a 45 footer, but I didn't get the number. This one didn't have an electronic destination sign for whatever odd reason. Made me think about that lady who was complaining about them a few weeks ago. Yeah, the entrance may be a little narrow, but most suburban commuter buses have dual opening doors anyway. Looked very well maintained.
Today I have seen the most remarkable bus ever made, I saw MCI d4500 number 8202, she was long and beautiful, the new paint scheme on her was awesome. She is at the Meadowlands Garage.
Tone
Well, in an earlier post, I had said that I had a dream that I saw a Balios orange sign on a bus for whatever demented reason. But, tonight, this time for real, in Old Town Alexandria, on King Street, WMATA Orion V 4309 on the 28B comes right past me with that bright orange destination sign. It looked very sharp. My jaw almost dropped when I saw it and I had to be slick not to gawk too much with my girlfriend with me and all. Seeing it at night made it look so much better than the green signs. I'm not sure if that was just an experimental bus or if this is going to begin to appear. This could take care of the problems they are having with those awful destination signs on the 4200-44xx Orions.
Well, GBL is placing the Orange signs on all of it's Orion V's. Saw 5511 on the Q10 and 5512 on the Q37 tonight.
So far buses that I've seen with the new signs are:
5501-5506, 5508, 5510-5512.
#5501 Q60
#5511 Q11
#5508 Q41
I would love to see the WMATA fleet with these signs instead of those hard to read Vultron ones that are on the 1997 Orions.
add #5515 to that list. i passed by the Green Bus Lines garage yestrday and talked to a dispatcher who was very excited about the fact that the Orion V are getting new signs. Also saw MCI #716-the wrap job looks great ;-)
I saw one yesterday on Woodhaven Blvd & the LIE. All the signs said NOT IN SERVICE, including the one in the back.
Add #5507 and #5517 to the list of buses that have the Babilos Sign.
I hopeing the 7xx Orion's are getting the Babilos sign as well.
I guess somebody at WMATA has been lurking around this board and noticing the comments, eh? =)
LOL, yah, I better make sure I say all positive things about them or else....!
TransiTALK Field Trip, "NOW" Public Service (NJT) GMC Fishbowl
This field trip is being operated with a Public Service (Now NJ Transit) Fishbowl. We will run over Westchester County Bee-Line System routes with a "possible" stop at a Bee-Line or Liberty Lines Facility.
First Come, First Serve. Seats will fill up fast!
Trip Cost: $20
Date: September 1st, 2001
Meeting Time: 9am
Meeting Place: 9th Avenue, Between 41st & 40th Street (Behind PA Bus Term)
YOU MAY PAY ON THE DAY OF THE TRIP
email for info: tlogan@transitalk.com
A&F Boi
I hope it's one of those with a stick. But, thinking back - very few of them had automatic transmissions.
Wayne
I was watching a special on construction of the United Nations Building and the program showed old footage of the neighborhood around what would become UN Plaza.
I don't remember when the UN was built but it was late enough that 42 Street had buses, not trolleys. At E. 42 St. and First Avenue, I saw two buses in a row make the U-turn to go from eastbound to westbound service. Remember there was no upper and lower level of First Avenue then so the intersection was quite broad. The buses (perhaps an M104 and and M106, which is what the M42 was called in those days) had no trouble making the U-turn without backing up, provided the driver began by making a slight southbound turn, then make his northbound U-turn.
I guess the one-block park just east of First Avenue that today's M42s and M104s use to turn around (and idle between runs) wasn't there? Maybe the park was built when the UN was built. The TV special said several blocks of warehouses, industrial buildings and houses had to be torn down.
Craig
~
I haven't ridden the M42 or M104 from the first stop for ages (ten years or so), but do they still turn right from 41st Street into the right section of 1st Avenue (east, not west, of the tunnel), thereby making for an unnecessarily difficult (and probably illegal) left turn onto 42nd Street?
The turn is illegal for all vehicles except buses. Once the bus enters the intersection and turns left the operator waits for the crosstown light to change to green.
But wouldn't it be easier and faster to make a wide right turn off of 41st -- to the left of the tunnel -- and then make a no-frills left turn onto 42nd?
I think the tunnel begins just before 41st Street so a bus can't get to the left lane of First Avenue from East 41st Street. The bus has to go up the right lane ramp to 42nd Street and make the otherwise illegal left turn. It really isn't dangerous. I think the no left turn rule is just to keep too many vehicles from stacking up over the tunnel waiting for the light to turn.
Craig
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Technically a vehicle can go across 1Av. on 41 St. to the right side of the tunnel (right lane ramp) to 42 St. However this is very dangerous because of the 1Av. traffic racing up 1Av. and a very bad blind spot due to the Con Edison building. When I worked this post last summer there were occassions I permitted 104's and 42's to do this if traffic was very bad on the left ramp going to 42 St. But I would cross ahead of the bus and wave him on from the tunnel island. Many times traffic in the area gets bad due to many police closures for dignataries and presidential visits tot he UN.
I don't understand. Traffic on 1st Avenue is stopped at a red light. How is it dangerous to turn from 41st Street onto any part of 1st Avenue?
Or are you referring to the left turn onto 42nd Street? Yes, I agree, it's dangerous (remember, it's not like any old left turn off a two-way street since traffic on the left is coming from behind) and it causes delays.
I do believe that 41st Street isn't blocked by the tunnel entrance. Yet every bus I've ridden from that stop has gone to the right of the tunnel. Is my experience atypical?
There is no red light at 41 St and 1av. This is the entrance to the tunnel. Four lanes-Left lane ramps up to 42 St. this is the lane you must use to make a left(westerly) turn onto 42 St. Two center lanes go down to 1av. tunnel and right lane ramps up to 42 St. illegal to make a left (westerly) turn onto 42 St. from this lane except for BUSES.
Hope this makes it clear enough! Your next best bet is to take a M27/50, M42, or M104 to last stop to check it out yourself!
Are you sure there's no signal at the corner of 41st and 1st?
Incidentally, four lanes run into the tunnel.
Your right about the 4 lanes into the tunnel!
No light at 41 St. There is a light at 40 St however.
Im very sure, I stood at the corner of 41 and 1av all last summer, July and August. Good post but at night it gets a little boring and LOTS of rats to watch!
Okay, I'll take your word for it, since I haven't been at that bus stop since 1992. I'm still surprised. Why would there be no light there?
There's really no crosstown traffic there, only 41 St coming from the FDR drive, and you can't go across because of Tudor City being on the west side of 1Av. By making all traffic turn right onto the ramp leading up to 42 St. a stop sign suffices.
As you can tell, my memory is a bit rusty. I didn't realize 41st Street was blocked by Tudor City. I'll have to go there and check it out myself.
NYCDOT might as well install a signal. As long as it's timed properly (i.e., it turns red precisely six seconds after the light at 40th turns red and it turns green precisely six seconds after the light at 40th turns green), it would have no effect on through traffic, but it would allow buses (and anyone else bound for 42nd Street) to safely and easily turn past the underpass entrance.
Passed by the Arthur Kill Annex on Richmond Ave and Arthur Kill Rd. today and saw a bunch of MCIs stored there. I haven't seen them stored there for a long time, since YUK transferred the Orions to CAS. What's going on? More buses at YUK? The Orions are back?
I was at St Johns the other day. I used to ride both the Q30 and Q31. QV would avoid putting Orions on those because of all the skool kids. Believe it or not i saw a 600 series on the Q31 to jamaica friday night!! I am surprised they would have that on the Q31 with all the bayside brats! And some headz from Cardozo coming from the Q27. I should know i graduated from there in june
You're on my stomping grounds E to Jamaica Center. That's now a norm to see an Orion on the Q31. In fact, I've seen Orions on the Q2, Q30, Q43, Q46, Q75 and Q79. The Q30 is a far worse line running Orions than the Q31. I see that the Novas are strictly for the Express Routes. I only see the Orion Suburbans on Local lines.
I was around there yesterday and I saw 617 Q46, 1751 at 180 St and Hillside Ave, 1767 Q2 and 3824 Q75.
QV is so short of buses. I see more of the older buses on the road than the newer buses. 8300s are getting repowered, 9300s repainted and 3 year upgrades and the 4900s are constantly breaking down.
So the older buses and coaches will be around QV for quite some time until the 8300s and 9300s come back from the repowering and upgrading.
#8386 Q46
#628 Q75
#9374 Q88
#4919 Q43
At Queens Village, the Orion coaches are considered available to use on any bus line, local or express, as evident by your findings, and the multitude of 'sightings' on BusTalk in recent months.
So far, the 9200 RTS express fleet has been used solely on the X68 (which would lead one to believe that customer complaints about the Orion buses had something to do with this decision) and possibly the extra pieces on the X32, although not being an express operator, I cannot say for certain.
Strange, from what I'm hearing, the MTA is having the same reliability problems with those 4900s that NJT is having with its most recent RTS order. Wonder what was going on with Nova in '99?
Anyway, QV is going to contine having this "bus shortage" until the batch of "montrosities" (i.e. Orion VIIs) get here, that order forcing out buses from GH and MCH. Then, you have HP and AMS closing, which may make some extra buses available. Then, there's NFs D60HFs coming (late), an order of about 150 - 200 buses, which will cause RTS at MJQ and 126 to get evicted.
Relax QV, help is on the way.
Can't wait for our new buses to arrive. Since all the 3200's have been scrapped, there's no tellin' what gems we'll be receiving from our MaBSTOA step-sister....
How about the 3400s and 4xxxs from Hudson?
How about the 3400s and 4xxxs from Hudson?
Almost feels like Christmas Day in Queens again...
Hope we get the rest of those really awesome 41xx buses!! I'm hanging 40' stockings on tracks 22, 23, and 24.....
Oh joy!!!!
Almost feels like Christmas Day in Queens again...
Christmas day in Village, Queens
MaBSTOA's sendin' chicken and collard greens...
(sorry, weird mood today :))
QV should've got 3918 3936 3942 4088 4145 and 4202 from FP. FP doesn't have any more use for them. QV needs buses desperately and junky buses like those would do for the time being.
Also Stengel is short on buses from what I hear-especially with the 2 bus fires that they recently had with 543 and 667.
#4198 Q46
#282 Q27
I think 3918 is coming back to service at FP. The others are gone for good. Once school reopens, additional buses are required. FP has a few high 4800's with soft seats running (previously Flatbush) and has a few 3990 series buses which were not good enough for ENY, but are good enough for FP. Fresh Pond will be glad to run a bus into the ground if some other depot is unable to. All they gotta do is to give 'em a couple of stints on the B57. I'll guarantee this: old buses that retire from FP have NO suspension!
SI has some 3900s
Saw 3920 and today saw 3944 on the S79
I saw 4881, an Express Coach, on the B24 today with FP Decals along with 4890.
I wonder if FP has all of the 4800s that were in FLA (4873, 4875-4881, 4884-4886)? I saw an updated roster that 3918 3936 3942 4088 and 4145 are still at FP. 4202 was scrapped.
#4881 B24
i know that ULP has 4497(saw it on the b1 today). I thought FLA send all their express buses back to ULP. Any word on those pesky 9300's that are supposed to go from FLA to UP?
FP has 4880-81 and 4884. Two other soft seat 4800s (4886-87?) went to Manhattanville.
Mark
Where's 4873-4879?
#4876 X64
I think the artics that MJQ is getting is for the M23,79,86 which are already artic routes. The artics that 126 is getting is for the M15 buses so the only place RTS will come from is 126St Depot.
M15#7547MikeLimited
M23#1012Mike
M79#1023Mike
M86#1034Mike
MJQ, as of this current date will not receive any of the 140 option order D60HF "Galaxy" Articulateds from New Flyer. At this current point, the new 100th Street will be the recipient of some of this option order along with the current requirment of artics for the M79 and M86 from MJQ. The other portion will be for the 126th Street (which knowing the TA could easily be changed for somewhere else).
Now, I have heard that certain persons in the TA are pushing for Soft Seat articulated buses in the next order or so, It IS NOT set in stone, but it is a idea that is currently on the table for discussion.
Regards,
A&F Boi
You may never know what MTA is going to do next! Could CS start getting Articulateds a Year Early? Could Happin.
........caught fire on Union Street and Willets Point Blvd on Saturday afternoon. Engine door looked to be burned away, most of the a/c area above that was significantly charred.
Just another fire to chalk up with the Orions. How many has NYCT had? I think they have had like 10 Orion fires, plus one at LIB also caught fire awhile ago (I think it was 202).
Orions overheat more than other buses because the engine compartment sucks. It provides less fresh air to the engine, has poor design and does a lousy job at keeping noise level down inside the bus.
Why oh why didn't NYCT just stick with RTS. And Stengal used to be one of the best depots, until they got those damn Orions.
Back in 1997 Suburban (Coach USA) bought 8 new Orions for Rutgers Bus System numbered 400-408. Needless to say two out of the 8 caught fire in Spring 1997. Made headlines in the campus papers. After the first one burned, the Orions were taken out of service for a week. After the second one caught fire, the remaining six were removed from service. They were very nice buses...looked nicer than the RTS but buses that tend to catch on fire are a problem no matter how they look and run. The next year 20 brand new NovaBuses were added.
[After the second one caught fire, the remaining six were removed from service.]
I believe Red & Tan in Jersey City has some Orions in the 400 series (possibly now 2400's). They are usually used in Newark Airport service. Could these be the six Orions that were withdrawn from Rutgers service? If not, what happened to the Suburban Orions?
As an aside, I think at least some of the 20 Nova RTS's in the 600 series you refer to are now running for Arrow Lines in Foxwood shuttle service, following Suburban/HML's loss of the Rutgers contract to Academy.
That was weird cuz I just went to Foxwoods and could have sworn that one of the shuttle buses said New Brunswick, NJ on the side but I was not sure. I did hear of the recent loss of the Rutgers contract to Academy.
The ironic thing is that I now go to NYU for grad school and am pretty sure one of the NYU RTS buses is from the 600 Rutgers series. The bus was dressed for NYU but still had a red stripe on top of the windows. I also saw the same card holder that Suburban used to put the route letter in ie. EE, A, L. It is numbered 306-- but I can't remember the exact number. I guess with Coach USA, these buses are winding up everywhere.
Those fires were determined to have been casued by an electrical short, created by chafed wiring in an over-tight harness. Manufactufacturers defect.
Speaking of, my parents car was recalled. Why? Because the lettering on the airbag safety stickers is TOO SMALL!
-Hank
I guess she'll be sitting right next to 543 at CS. 543 has been at CS for a while and she was charred. I wonder if the same thing happened to 667?
#4448 Q32-wish she was still at CS with a few more added.
I wonder if David Gunn were still here if he would pull them all from service like he did to the Grummans?
To all the people whom I deal with on AOL (My Screename being No7220onthe6), I will currently be using my alter ego screen name "Metro D 3700" for appoximately two week.
Please take note!
A&F Boi!
Gotcha; I wondered what happened there. A&F, eh? Interesting.
-F.
Two ironies with your new handle:
1) Abercrombie and Fitch is constantly mentioned in M*A*S*H, one of my favorite shows of all time. This of course was back in the days of the Korean War, WAY before A&F's name became a cul-de-sac pop culture favorite, part of a catchy Top 40 tune, and the main focal point of tight tank tops worn by every other hot chick at the mall.
2) One of my friends who drives for Valley Metro is named Jay Abercrombie; in fact, after being stuck in Gilligs all day he longs to drive one of our museum Flxes, especially the Grumman.
Very interesting name choice!
-F.
>>> Abercrombie and Fitch is constantly mentioned in M*A*S*H, one of my favorite shows of all time. This of course was back in the days of the Korean War <<<
Abercrombie and Fitch was the Tiffany's of sporting goods for many years, frequently mentioned in New Yorker cartoons. M*A*S*H, although set in the Korean war was actually a product of the the ‘70s and was not really historically accurate, reflecting Vietnam era values instead of the early ‘50s. It probably did more to popularize the name Abercrombie and Fitch as a pop culture thing than anything else.
Tom
I can see that; M*A*S*H did tend to have a 60s and 70s feel, especially when Hawkeye reflected on the Korean War...he seemed to do so in a Vietnam style. Overall, it was a great show, no matter what period it reflected.
I never realized that A&F was popuarized by that show so much as it has been in the past two years by their clothing as worn by younger people. Maybe Trevor is onto something with this new handle for BusTalk....
-F.
Abercrombie & Fitch is like my top store out of 4 stores that I consistanly shop at. Which is A&F, Gap, Old Navy and Stucture. This is the reason why I picked A&F Boi as my new handle. On to something?, I'm always onto something :o)
A&F Boi
On TO something, or ON something, Trevor?
-Hank :p
You know I really don't appreciate that comment whether you were joking or not, you were fucking outta line for that shit. Pissed? YOU BET!
T.
Just replying to your own in-joke:
On to something?, I'm always onto something :o)
-Hank
Fuck that shit. You took it too far, "ON Something!" I didn't say anything close to that. That as if you are implying a drug use!
I think you need to re-evaluate what you said becuase that shit was clean out of line! You can attempt to argue me down on that shit but as far as I am concerned, This post is done with!
T.
Yes, it IS as if I am implying drug use. Sue me if you don't have a sense of humor. The way some of your posts come out (REALLY enthusiastic) helped me along.
I don't know you well enough to say you DO or DON'T. I would presume that you, like myself and probably 99% of those here fit the latter. It was a one-liner that you failed to see humor in.
And you're right. I AM clean out of line. :p
-Hank (Bonus points are located below...)
"Go to the mirror, boy...go to the mirror, BOY!"
I can't belive it's trevor logan.
I can't believe it's not butter, but after Trevor explained the reason behind the new handle, it's like butta. Very slick!
-F.
Careful! You might get sued. A CT soy product manufacturer was just sued for using the line "I can't believe it's not Chicken!" to sell his products. (His company makes meat-flavored vegetarian products)
-Hank
I wasn't talking about food products.
No, you weren't. But the message still applies. If you started selling, say, plastic tires, and tried to use "I can't believe it's not rubber!" as an advertising tag, you'd be digging yourself the same hole. Likewise, you may run into trouble if you started a 'BusTalk' that was about electricity.
-Hank
All along it was trevor logan. I didn't know he would have a handle with that name.
Yeah..I thought for Trevor it would be a "thugged out" or "Bad M.F." type handle, but it makes sense. Good choice overall.
-F.
True, but we're not starting a business with the term; we're just playing with it loosely. For instance, if I say that "some TAs are a lot more Flxible than others", MCI won't beat my door down with burning crosses because the old tooling is in their name.
However, we had an interesting situation here with the town's only strip club. When it opened it was called "HOOTERS OF ROANOKE", but the Hooters restaurant chain found out quick and threatened to sue. For a long time, the sign read "_______ OF ROANOKE" then the name was later changed to "Juicie's Exotic Cabaret". Now that's where one can run into trouble, so I can see your point there.
Ironically, not long after, an actual Hooter's restaurant opened up across town, much to the delight of locals.
The Hooters on Staten Island closed down a few months back. Sad, really. The franchisee was failing (spent to much of the promo budget during football season) and the corporate took over. They raised the prices, stopped some of the customer-freindly policies (every 4th pitcher of beer on the house!) and people stopped coming in.
It doesn't matter WHAT you're trying to do with it, if you try to use some elses trademarked terms to sell it. Parody is an exception, which is how Weird Al and MAD Magazine get away with it.
BTW, anyone notice that MAD now carries advertisements? For the longest time, they were so pure...
-Hank
No, I never noticed; then again, I haven't picked up a copy of MAD lately. Then again, I am not surprised; everyone is trying to make money nowadays in order to survive. That's why you see all these wrapped buses running around on routes; while it may be tacky and take away from the styling of the coach (especially a Flx), TAs rent that large, "empty" space for a good price in order to keep their buses running. Same with MAD Magazine. It's a question of survival, not purity (and with their twisted brand of humor which I love to a fault, I use that term loosely).
The MAD situation reminds me of Archie Comics; back when I was a kid they had a whole cartoon feature about how annoying it was to turn a page and find ads when the comic was at a huge suspense point. For example, if Jughead was about to ride a shkateboard off a cliff and Betty and Veronica are fearing for his life, a big huge fake ad for a 10-speed is on the next page. It was a brilliant gag that proved a point; Archie Comics were true value for the money, yet free of all the hoo-ha of Madison Avenue (which, ironically, is where the comics were published in Mamaroneck, IIRC).
A few months later, every other damned page--much to my chagrin--was full of ads. Funny how money turns things around. Back then, I was a 10-year-old kid who thought ads were stupid and ruined a comic book. Later I felt the same way about wrapped buses. Gaudy. Tacky. Bleech. But later on I realized that these were effective tools to keep each in existence. And now I respect them.
So remember, the next time Alfred E. Neuman pisses you off with a full-pager right in the middle of that Sopranos parody, just remember it's better than no magazine at all, and support the product if you can. You and all the other consumers who do so just might make a difference. Call me grossly capitalist, but it's true. Sometimes it's all about the Benjamins.
-F.
Ah, it's all good. It's not like we're plugging butter here. Oh, that sounded sick...let me rephrase that.
DANG!!
Why there where sue for useing "I can't believe it's not Chicken!"?
Now that's STUPID!
"I can't believe it's not BusTalk!"
Because another manufacturer had built a reputation for his product (and properly trademarked its name) as "I can't Believe it's not Butter!" Thus, a food product sold under a similar name could be argued as trademark infringement.
Similarly, you couldn't have named a bus manufacturer 'Flixible' because it would be too similar to an existing product.
-Hank
Hmm....sounds good. I'm still waiting to see Wal-Mart Wally and Target Tommy show up on BusTalk...LOL! We all know you're up to something; you just wouldn't be Trevor Logan if you weren't! :)
-F.
hey Trev,DIDNT know you were into the ''preppie look''.What happened to your ''THUGGED OUT''style?
I was never into the "thugged" look, I'm into the Preppie Boy thing!!!
T.
You mean the Zack Morris look? LOL!
#951 Amtrak AEM-7
Yes, that exactly!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
There ya go, Zack. Just don't SCREECH the tires in the parking lot with that nice NJT Flx Metro...LOL!
-F.
Oh MAN what a flashback...LOL! I used to watch that show; in fact, it was Tiffany Amber-Theissen's move to 90210 that actually made me start watching that show later on...and drooling uncontrollably. She is just flat out HOT!!! Very good looking...kinda like a Flx Metro of actresses. I'd explain that one but just don't have the time. :)
-F.
You scare me. Get out of your house more, or at least start using the 'net for its intended purpose, distributing porn to the masses!
I can't believe you just made a FAVORABLE comparison of a hot actress to a city bus.
-Hank
LOL...that was exactly my point! I said that deliberately to grab your attention. On that note, yeah...you're right. I do need to get out more. On the other hand, getting out gets me into trouble, so maybe I'm doing the right thing here. Who knows. :)
-F.
hey trev, just kiddin'. enjoy your day
That's the way to go, says the former hippie lookig dude who is sitting here replying to this message with short hair, wearing a polo shirt and sporting a Virginia Tech Gator Bowl baseball cap, with a late model Dodge Intrepid parked outside. Not too long ago, I had long hair halfway down my back and wore holey tie-dyes with bell bottoms and combat boots, tooling around in an old Dodge Dart with Jerry Garcia stickers all over it.
Trust me, preppy is the way to go, especially where I'm writing from; while I have yet to see how it helps me out with the ladies, it keeps the local establishment off my back. You wouldn't believe how many times the county mounties used to pull me over and search my car for drugs back in the day!
-F.
As opposed to the baggie jeans and oversized tee[or]sweatshrit/hoodie, Timberlands/Nike's and a Yankee cap? Not to mention the the giant SUV parked outside.[dont forget the cellphone]
Oh GOD yes...if that isn't a cop magnet, what is? I used to have a delivery job in the ghetto and that was QUITE commonplace....that and the toothless jerks with the $40K Lexus with gold rims parked out front that wouldn't tip you a dime in the pouring rain. I hope they rot in purgatory.
-F.
Well I see my self as the Abercrombie & Fitch Tee wearing, Gap Khaki Men Capri carting, Old Navy Visor cap carrying, Sketcher Laceless Sneaker sporting Type. With my Flxible METRO parked out front! And I always have my cell phone!
Nothing makes me happier than dressing like a Preppie GAP Poster boy (except a good dammit Flxible METRO Or MCI Cruiser ride)!
"I wanna be like Trevor" and here is how, take your whole paycheck and shop at the following stores
Abercrombie & Fitch
Old Navy
GAP
Banana Republic
Structures
Aeropostale
H&M
Sketchers
Regards,
Trevor Logan
LOL...very nice!
-F.
I have my share of 'thugg' gear. BUT i'm very neat with it.My pants NEVER HANG OFF MY BUTT!!![LOL] The phone is a must and everything must be spotless.
Rocawear,Perry Elise,Fubu,Tommy boy,a little Gap,LEVI[THE BEST FOR SURE]etc.....
You neglect to mention the waistband of those jeans is located about midway between the knees and the ass.
-Hank
On that note, how in the world do thugs get away from the cops? Talk about wearing an anchor. Bet those Public Enemy-style wall clock necklaces of the early 90s didn't help much either.
-F.
Simple. The ones who DRESS as if they were the thugs their idols present to them via the media usually aren't really thugs. Real thugs wouldn't dress that way because, as you pointed out, they can't run from the cops very well.
-Hank
That makes perfect sense. A true "thug" per se would naturally fly low on the radar. I think we are mainly talking about the kids out there with baggy jeans and such who think they are badass or put up a front as if they are. Not to say all wearers of that cloth are this way, but there are a choice few who claim to be just to look good, as it were. It's all in the mind, I suppose.
A true thugg would not wear bring himself or herself out in the open unless they were extremly stupid[in which most cases they are for being that way in the first place] most just like the clothing[myself being one of them] but i dress with style!!!!
This is very true; like I said, true thugs fly low on the radar it they are smart. People are quick to judge by what you wear, but I say do what makes you feel comfortable to express yourself.
Look at Klinger in M*A*S*H; he expressed himself quite well there for his purpose, although nobody in the show really bought it, save for the occasional C.O. passing through who actually thought he was nuts. At any rate, he seemed comfortable with what he wore, no matter how outlandish it was.
-F.
It's actually more popularized these days by their just barely above the level of kiddie-porn advertising magazines.
Sort of like Benneton was with all those colorful condoms.
-Hank
Really? Now THAT gives a whole new meaning to the "united colors" slogan! Ah yes...the united colors of Bent-a-ton. LOL!!!
-F.
Benneton has taken a lot of heat for their ad campaigns, which were purposely designed to ruffle feathers. Got their name in the news, and people wondering what they were trying to sell.
-Hank
Hmm...sounds like they are really pushing the envelope. Are they TAKING heat or IN heat? LOL!
-F.
Depends on if the ads featured animals or not...
-Hank :p
LOL! One time a local realtor magazine showed a picture of a really nice house for sale...only trouble was, the main focal point was that outside the house there were two dogs in heat! Something tells me either the photographer or the copy editor had a really twisted mind.
-F.
Lots of folk have twisted minds, ESPECIALLY newspaper folks. How else do you get such brilliant headlines as 'Piazza lead Fish Fry' or two different stories with headlines that make a joke, such as the recent 'Women hold back sex for water' followed by 'Man cuts off testicle in protest'? (both Reuters in the last week)
-Hank
I have a whole book of these from "Humor In The Headlines" by Earle Tempel, published in 1969. Other books by Tempel:
"Press Boners" (I think that's what Paul Reuben got put away for..LOL)
"More Press Boners"
Here are some from the book:
Pueblo Chieftain (CO): WOMEN INFORMED OF NEED FOR NEW SUPPORT OF CHEST
Tupelo Daily Journal (MS): LIONS TO SELL CIRCUS TICKETS
Boise Statesman (ID): GREENLEAF SUNNNY SEWERS CLUB ELECTS LEADER
Sacramento Union (CA): FISH BITES OFF MAN'S HAND, ASKS $7,086
And then there's some ads sent in to Jay Leno back in the Eighties:
"Regular Pantyhose OR The GE Miser 3-Way"
"Cracklin' Oak Brain"
More stuff to Jay:
"Autos Crash At Church And State St."
"Celebrity Rear-Ended By Probe"
If you want to read more, please e-mail me so as not to cause problems here as this is non-bus related material. Enjoy!
-F.
Leno gets just a fraction of what really goes out. And even less of those get aired. Allegedly, all of them make it into his books.
-Hank
That's true; it's the way show business goes. Trust me, I was a DJ with my own show on late-night radio for three years and interned with an old buddy before that; each of us had comedy-oriented shows. I helped him gather ideas for his show; while most of the material was funny, I'd say only one out of ten of the bits I helped him write actually made it onto his show.
Sometimes it was discouraging but that's just how it is...especially when material comes from the audience rather than from the inside. The headline bit on Leno is more like viewer roulette than anything; my Dad sent him several articles during 1988 and not one of them made it onto the Tonight Show. That's just the breaks!
-F.
I know there's a store name Abercrombie & Fitch in Rossvelt Field Mall in Garden City,New York. THat's the only one that I know of.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU! A&F IS ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!!
T.
Try looking in other malls. They're all over, turning out clones.
-Hank
I think I should go check Queens Center Mall to see if they have that store.
I find them in most Simon(TM) Malls
There is none at Newport Center,only Eddie Bauer (which is in every mall except the ones in the city).
Dude, it's all over the place! It's a chain; we are getting one here in Roanoke soon. It should be neat!
-F.
Took a week trip to New Orleans. Their bus system, the Regional Transit Authority, RTA, is WORSE than New York's.
How?
Well, let's start with an orientation. The buses were all Orions. There were three "categories," the 94xxx, the 97xxx, and the 98xxx. Some of the 98s were 25 feet long instead of 40. I managed to get on one.
Okay, regularity. Terrible. Waiting for route 11, clocked 25 minutes around noon and then from 1-2 o'clock clocked 13, 8, 2, 7 minute intervals. The buses aren't any good for the environment. No CNG or HEV or anything. The traffic has nothing to do with the irregularity of the buses. Except for a few short blocks on four or five of the routes, there is no traffic and speed limits are high. Also, where there is heavy traffic in the city area, the buses are given THEIR OWN LANES closed off to cars. And no cars were breaking the law. But I did see 6 buses go the other way on this street before mine came.
Cleanliness. No cleaner than New York's buses. The same.
Crowdedness. The strong point. From my personal experience, you have a 60-65% chance of getting a seat on the rush and almost 100% other times. This excludes the events of Mardi Gras or a big thing happening at the Louisiana Superdome.
Fare control. Never have I seen such a disaster. Fare is 1.25 for a local bus, if you take two buses it costs an extra .25 to transfer. If you take the Riverfront Street car it is 1.50 plus the additional .25 if you want to transfer. Express buses are 1.50 making it 1.75 for the transfer. An express bus is like a limited bus here in New York, not something that goes through multiple districts without stopping. They accept dollar bills. The machine doesn't count the money half the time so you can put in a five if you show the driver. There's no change, so the five is only good when travelling in large groups. Then you got people who don't understand where the bills go and where the coins go. And then, if you want an unlimited pass for the day you buy it ON THE BUS!!! So you got people holding up the run so the driver can punch a hole in a ticket.
Straphangers should take a trip down there and then they'd pick on NY less probably.
[Some of the 98s were 25 feet long instead of 40.]
I don't believe Orion makes a 25 foot Orion V, so I suspect these buses are 30 footers (unless they are Orion II's).
I haven't been to New Orleans in over 8 years, but I recollect that the bus system was not all that bad. Some routes had poor headways, so timetables are needed, but many routes had frequent service. There was more variety of equipment back then - I recollect some 40 foot MAN's (fairly rare to see in the U.S.), RTS's and, I believe, some Flxibles. Of course, the St. Charles Streetcar is a great ride!
St. Charles Streetcar was the best part. About the Orions they probably were 30 feet long I couldn't tell.
94000-series RTA buses are New Flyer D40s, not Orion Vs. They do look somewhat similar. Also, does RTA still have their very first batch of Orions hanging around? These are 1990 model Orion Vs numbered somewhere in the 100s.
I do not consider New York's bus system to be bad at all. Perhaps quirky, but not bad. We have to realize that as transit enthusiasts, it can infuriate us to see something that most other passengers would not even notice. Like a boring fleet and lack of alternate fuel vehicles bothers me, but most people just don't care.
RTA in New Orleans sounds like many (if not most) large US transit systems outside of the East Coast.
I will agree, though, that they need new fareboxes. I believe they have the Duncan first generation electronic boxes, which are total pieces of crap. (Duncan is a leading name in parking meters.)
Thanks, I was wondering why the label of Orion was in the front of the 94000s
I was wondering why the label of Orion WASN'T in the front of the 94xxx.
Wait, I remember climbing down stairs on the 94xxx. It had to be D40HF, no?
Yes, that's what I said. New Flyer D40. Before 1999, standard floor New Flyer buses had no letters after the length, so it would technically be inaccurate to call a 1994 standard floor New Flyer a D40HF.
I believe RTA's 1994 New Flyers are numbered 94001-94073. To my knowledge, no time within the last 10-15 years have there been four-digit fleet numbers in NO. Their Flx 870s, RTS-03s, MANs, and first Orions all had three-digit numbers, and the New Flyers and newer Orion Vs have five-digit year numbers. (for some reason, I suspect that the 94000s, for a brief period, were four digit 9401-9473, but I am not sure about this...)
Newsday article:
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/ny-nybus252337556aug25.story?coll=ny%2Dnynews%2Dprint
Buses which were stored there no more: sightings of 4880/81 reported to me and I personally saw 4884 (FLAT sticker) on the Q58 Saturday nite. We check the storage lot this week to see if any buses are still in there.
Where is Maspeth Storage Yard?
IS that yard still slated to be a depot or is the deopot going to be in a separate location?
How do I get to the yard by bus and/or train?
Cleanairbus
carlwal@hotmail.com
hybridbus@aol.com
Grand Ave. near 49th Place and the Grand Ave. swing bridge. The Q59 TA bus passes the place. The yard will become the building which will handle around 200 buses and also be a CMF facility. AT least that is the current plan. All Dept. of Buses plans change daily.
I know NYC buses are supposed to have the driver announce the stops over the PA for the ADA compliance. However, twice I have heard external announcements that repeat over and over when the bus has its doors open.
One time had X1 (MCI) - and when driver pulled in and opened the door, The announcement came on on the outside speaker in his voice "X1 Staten Island, Eltingville, via Hylan Blvd."
Another time on the M15 (5507 Articulated) - said "M15. LOCAL. 125th Street."
How do the operators do this?
I was once waiting for a bus on Madison Avenue at a rogue bus stop -- you know, one of those shelters that somehow get plunked down nowhere near an actual bus stop. The driver of a passing bus said something to me over the external PA, but I couldn't make out what he said since (a) the bus was moving and (b) I was in too much shock over my discovery that buses had external speakers to actually pay attention to the announcement's content. Whatever he said, he waited for me to run to the actual (shelterless) bus stop on the next block.
In response to EnIgMa6903:
The operator was using the "Speak Easy" hands-free announcement system, where a recorded message of up to 30-seconds will play every time the front doors are opened through the external bus speakers. You can identify a bus which has the Speak Easy system installed via rectangle-shaped control box mounted on the drivers-side windshield support bracket just under the sun visor adjustment control knob. You'll notice 3 silver metallic buttons. They read "Rec" "Radio" and "Mute". You record a message by pressing the Rec button. You end your recording by pressing the same. The Mute button will deactivate the system. The Radio button will allow hands-free communication between the bus operator and console dispatch.
In response to David J. Greenberger:
You were subject to the normal public-address system installed on every bus. All NYCTA buses have a switch which will allow the bus operator to shut off the interior speakers and activate the exterior speakers to communicate with people outside the bus. Of course, the level of communication depends upon the quality of the speaker on that particular bus. Some "echo", while others sound rather "tinny". The operator, depending upon the version of public address system installed, may use the radio handset or gooseneck michrophone with foot-pedal to communicate over the PA system, regardless of speaker configuration.
HTH
You were subject to the normal public-address system installed on every bus. All NYCTA buses have a switch which will allow the bus operator to shut off the interior speakers and activate the exterior speakers to communicate with people outside the bus. Of course, the level of communication depends upon the quality of the speaker on that particular bus. Some "echo", while others sound rather "tinny". The operator, depending upon the version of public address system installed, may use the radio handset or gooseneck michrophone with foot-pedal to communicate over the PA system, regardless of speaker configuration.
In your experience, how often are the external speakers typically used? I've only heard them that one time.
In your experience, how often are the external speakers typically used? I've only heard them that one time.
Not very often, David. The idea here is to have available easy communication when necessary. Situations such as an over-crowded bus, where we couldn't safely board more passengers, and use the external speakers to inform the people that we're not stopping and to wait for the next bus. This is helpful to those who might be visually-impaired and acnnot clearly see the 'Next Bus Please' sign, but although helpful in some respects, may seem antagonsitic in others. Personally, I rarely use the external speaker system (unless cracking a joke to a NYCTA SLD standing in the cold lol ;-)
I have used the Speak Easy with no success. Along with bright blue 'LOCAL' signage in the front window, I'll record an announcement such as, "This is the Q46 making ALL LOCAL STOPS TO KEW GARDENS" (pause) LOCAL STOPS (repeat message), which is repeated in succession three times as soon as I open the front doors, to wit, the first person boards and asks, "local or express'.......
:P
>>> I'll record an announcement such as, "This is the Q46 making ALL LOCAL STOPS TO
KEW GARDENS" (pause) LOCAL STOPS (repeat message) <<<
In Los Angeles I recently rode on a bus that had automated announcements of each stop before we stopped (i.e. "Approaching 1st Street") inside the bus, and externally at each stop the Route Number, name, and destination were stated. The announcements were not in the driver's voice, but some pre-programmed voice. The internal announcements remained correct even if we did not stop at a particular bus stop. At one point the driver was instructed by a supervisor to take a short cut to fill in further along the route. When that happened, the internal stop announcements were wrong, and the driver had to cycle through them to get to the right one. Presumably the messages about approaching stops must check the milage since the last stop, possibly with the milage corrected each time the front door is opened to prevent a buildup of errors.
Tom
Long Island Bus uses this system. I don't recall the exact name of the system, but it's been discussed here before, as well as in news:nyc.transit I believe, as you stated, it's a pre-programmed announcement system recorded on a tape and governed by mileage. A bypass feature is included to set the tape to the correct location, should a detour or delay present itself.
I think it's by Clever Devices.
That sounds familiar. You're probably right.
Today rode 2021 out of CAS on the X10. First - A/C was weak - not until after on the bus for a while did it start to feel comfortable. Second - one of the windows - like the 4th from the back left side - was broken - cracked like a bullet hit it or a rock was thrown into it. The window was intact, but had the fracture marks visible. Also, bus extremely empty - no more than 25 customers.
Why would someone assign this bus - ON A SUNDAY - when there are plenty to choose from - with the A/C and the window?
Concerning the passengers - why not run the Orions on the X10 Middays Sundays - since there is no way that the MCIs will really be full? Put more use on the Orions.
Also, was in Brooklyn - saw one Nova 93xx on the B4 and one 93xx on the B64. It's Sunday - less runs usually - they still need to run the Suburbans? I understand during the week - but Sunday?
As long as the bus window wasn't rough to the touch (from the inside), the NYCTA will place the bus in-service, and repair it on a weekday when maintenance personnel are abundant. This is assuming the operator did indeed "pre trip" his bus, and inform the Yard SLD of the problem. It's also possible that he wasn't aware of the broken window because he hadn't inspected the bus prior to pull-out. Did you make mention of the broken window to the operator? If so, what was his response? If not, why not?
As far as assigning buses on Sunday: Most senior yard pieces are off weekends. There might have been a newly appointed SLD working the yard that day (a Surface Line Dispatcher that's just recently been promoted, who is most probably on the 'extra list') who isn't fully aware of all the details concerning the yard. Or, there could have been some type of depot work preventing access to certain tracks of buses, unless deemed absolutely necessary (such as an emergency subway shuttle).
Today, it's safe to say, that weekend bus assignments are a lot like a box of chocolates :-)
Let's give the operator the benefit of the doubt! Maybe the window broke after the bus left the depot. Do you know? I don't either!
That's why I asked if it was brought to the attention of the driver.
Anyway, if that was the case (happening after pull-out), there would have been a vandalism investigation, and the bus would have most-likely been taken out of service. I'm willing to believe that what I said previously was the case- the operator missed the window during his pre-trip, or didn't pre-trip the bus at all.
I do not know if this was or has been discussed before.
If you use a METROCARD on the Expresses - you get a transfer encoded. This transfer is good for locals and subways, but I have to question to other Expresses. I used Metrocard once from a downtown express (X15 - which runs by my house) and used it again when transferring to the X1 to continue to Midtown at the first stop in Manhattan. It took another $3.00 off - and the ride on the X15 to downtown from my house only takes approx 45 minutes - within the 2 hours alotted. Why does this do this?
Also, if someone pays in coins, why has the TA not issued paper transfers to Express customers like they used to? I see no point in that.
Also, why won't the transfers from any local bus be able to be used on the Subways? If you buy a single ride from a MVM, it's a piece of paper like a bus transfer. Why?
I believe that free transfers between express buses are allowed via using the $120 monthly express bus Metrocard. Using this card, free transfers are also allowed between other local buses and the subway. (My reference is the original employee-issued "Metrocard Guidebook" which is so old, it notes differences bewteen Metrocard Gold and Metrocard Blue ;-)
I'll check a more recent publication LOL!
As far as paying in coins- the TA wants your money up-front by purchasing Metrocard. This enables them to cash-in on money unused to date (including interest).
Subway to Bus transfers are only available via Metrocard (barring subway shuttle GO or block tickets, etc.).
[If you use a METROCARD on the Expresses - you get a transfer encoded. This transfer is good for locals and subways, but ... to other Expresses ?]
Yes it should work ... but not a three legged Transfer, i.e. you get O-N-E free transfer. So between express buses does work, why it didn't work for your example we would have to consult the God of Transfers, i.e. someone in the TA made up the rules for which lines have a transfer privlage to which lines. Basically if you on a N-S line you can transfer E-W or on a E-W you can transfer N-S.
[if someone pays in coins, why has the TA not issued paper transfers to Express customers]
Express buses cary Transfers in their fareboxes, at least the "privates" do, so just ask for a paper transfer. It's good for a transfer to a Express or Local bus, i.e. not the subway.
[If you buy a single ride from a MVM, it's a piece of paper like a bus transfer. Why?]
I guess the Gods of MetroCard Design in their infinite wisdom figured if they put the "Single Ride MetroCard" on paper folks would know that it wasn't good for as long as a regular MC ... maybe if they put it on toilet paper folks would have know it was good for only 2 hours ????
Seriously, read the fine print ... if you use it FIRST on a bus you CAN get a BLUE transfer, but if you use it first on the subway you get NOTHING more for your $1.50.
Tommorow we will discuss unlimited MCs are discover why some die at midnight while one is good until 3 AM.
Mr t__:^)
Approx 3 years ago I used a regular Metro Card on the BM-1 Command Express route from Brooklyn. The regular express bus fare at that time was deducted from the card. I got off that bus along 23rd Street in Manhattan, got on a Pelham Bay Express New York Bus Service vehicle, dipped the card, and it read that it was a free transfer, nothing more deducted.
Yep. Made a trip like that with a computer monitor from Staten Island via the x1 and the BxM1. Paid fare on the x1, free transfer to the BxM1.
-Hank
NYCT express bus fareboxes are loaded with transfers, but the button to issue transfers is locked out when we log on and set the box up for our trip.
So on a NYCT bus if you pay cash and want a Transfer (to another Express or Local bus) you can't get one? That's not very nice !
Mr t__:^)
That's the way its been since metro card started. They want the money up front.Also if you don't have the full fare on your card you lose the free trans.
Am surprised no one made a stink about this.
Mr t__:^)
Yesterday I along with some other Bus-Talkers and many Sub-Talkers took part in the March of Dimes fundraiser.
The starting point and planned finishing point was the Chambers St. stop of the J,M,&Z. Although I haven't checked Sub-Talk yet you can probably find a post there as to why we never made it back to Chambers Street.
In the course of the day I passed by 4 Depots.
1 - Queens Village. Had a lot of RTS's parked near the LIRR but nothing out of the ordinary.
2 - East New York. They now have an auxillary parking lot on the North Side of Atlantic Avenue, directly across from the LIRR East New York Station. It is a newly paved and striped lot. Although I couldn't get a good look at the buses, they were all RTS's and all had advertisments and numbers on them. Not buses waiting to be scrapped.
3 - Fresh Pond. Could not see very much from the train.
4 - Jackie Gleason. There were 3 CNG's parked in the back of the lot. Near them was an RTS that looked like it was damaged in a crash. Although I was at least 75 yards away, I could see that the bus had no windshield. Couldn't see a number.
1 - Queens Village. Had a lot of RTS's parked near the LIRR but nothing out of the ordinary.
Are you referring to the actual Queens Village LIRR Station, or the lot and adjacent depot area behind the LIRR tracks?
The area behind the tracks where the Belmont Spur cuts off from the mainline.
That JG bus you saw was 4662. The driver of that bus was killed on Thanksgiving Day'99 while operating the B63 route.
I had that thought on the way home, remembering that the tragedy occured in that part of Brooklyn. I thought but wasn't totally sure if it was two years ago or more.
Anyway, may the driver rest in peace and the Lord bring comfort to his family.
I was walking down Las Vegas Boulevard the other day and spotted a southbound bus on the 301 route. After displaying the normal message southbound buses on route 301 show, I saw this:
[BUS]|BUS FULL
[BUS] is a picture of the front of a bus.
And sure enough, the bus was full.
The rear sign was alternating between BUS and FULL.
Isn't that nice?
That -is- a useful message. Most TAs, including NYCT (I'm nearly sure) have similar PR messages programmed into their sign systems.
I'd say that the reason that such messages do not pop up more frequently (especially on busy systems like NYCT) is that it's rare that a bus travel a long portion of its route without a few people getting off, thereby making room for a few more passengers. Also, on busy transit systems, standing loads are commonplace, so maybe bus operators do not think it all that noteworthy when the bus is beyond SRO. That, and maybe B/Os just forget to use the sign!
That -is- a useful message. Most TAs, including NYCT (I'm nearly sure) have similar PR messages programmed into their sign systems.
The NYCTA has no similar signage. We have 'Not In Service' 'Next Bus Please' and 'See Sign Below'. We do not have available to us any signage that would reflect passenger capacity. Sounds like a good idea, though. There are plenty of 'open' PR slots available for programming.
For a full up-to-date list of NYCTA PR signs, see FDNY's website located at http://community.webtv.net/SMOKIECAT.
NJT and many of the private commuter companies have "Standing Only" as a PR code. Rockland Coaches uses it frequently.
On some routes, drivers use the "headlight system":
- no headlights, plenty of seats
- low-beam headlights, limited seating
- high-beam headlights, standing only
At the NYCTA, we are required to have the headlights on at all times, be it day or night, so we couldn't use that system, but it sounds like a good idea.
My experience with NJT buses is that the most frequently used system is the bus driver telling the passengers trying to get on that there are no seats left. I don't recollect seeing any NJT buses using the "Standing Only" code.
Isn't it illegal to use high beams when other traffic is present? It's certainly most rude, especially at night.
It's not a problem during the day at all.
I don't think the system is used at night, the first option would be dangerous.
It's not a problem during the day at all.
I do think it is still illegal.
I don't think the system is used at night, the first option would be dangerous.
I suppose so. Then again, there are so many street lights in NYC that it's easy to accidentally drive at night without headlights. I once drove with only my parking lights (illegal at all times of day, IINM) for about 15 miles; I only noticed when I reached a dim section of the LIE. (So that's why the guy behind me on the Queensboro Bridge was flashing his brights at me!)
High beams are illegal when used in such a way to disturb traffic. But because this system has been used for so many years on quite a few troutes, I think the local police use it to identify buses as well.
I tried to look it up but I didn't find any mention of high beams, or of headlights in cars at all. I did find this regarding headlights in buses:
S 1223. Lights on vehicles used for transportation of passengers.
Unless otherwise governed by the provisions of this chapter, every vehicle used for the transportation of ten or more passengers upon the public highways, such as for picnics, hayrides and sleigh rides, shall, during the period from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise, display at least two lighted lamps on the front, one on each side, having light sources of equal power, which shall be visible for a distance of at least five hundred feet ahead of the vehicle and which shall project either white or yellow light, and at least two lighted lamps on the rear, one on each side, having light sources of equal power, which shall be visible for a distance of at least five hundred feet behind the vehicle and which shall project red light.
(From the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law, Article 33)
I have only one question. What's a hayride?
I have only one question. What's a hayride?
Never attended 'summer camp', did you? A hayride is either:
A truck, loaded with bails of hay (hopefully clean ;-), that transports passengers (mostly kids, although an adult has been seen on hayrides now and again) on a given course, tossing the passengers around in the cargo area (always an open cargo area) all in the name of 'country fun'!
Or
A horse-drawn open carriage filled with hay as indicated above.
It appears, then, that New York State law does not require that you use headlights on your bus, even at night, unless there is hay on board.
What about "every vehicle used for the transportation of ten or more passengers upon the public highways?" The hey ride was only an example.
Yes, yes, I know.
Kind of a strange example, though, is it not?
Unpopular bus routes (with or without hay) can keep their headlights off at night according to state law. Is that better?
I still don't get it.
What part of the law you cited allows a bus not to use headlights at night?
There isn't. Any vechicle, car, bus, truck, whatever, in New York state, must have lights on from .5 hr past sunset to .5 hr before sunrise.
Cite?
That's what I always thought but I couldn't find it in the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
I found it in the good ol' DMV Rules & Regulations study handbook, don't know where you can find it online.
I know what it says there. That's a handbook, not a code of law. The actual code of law is here.
The law I cited only applies to vehicles carrying ten or more passengers. It does not apply to unpopular bus routes (or to just about any car).
Right, I didn't realize that, sorry.
I do think it is still illegal.
I don't think it is. The problem with high beams is not that they are that bright, but that they are an island of brightness in a sea of darkness. This is not a problem during the day. DRLs are essentially high beams, and using lights during the day increases visibility and safety, and low-beams are invisible during the day.
>>> DRLs are essentially high beams, <<<
But the light emitted is far less than full power.
Tom
>>> I once drove with only my parking lights (illegal at all times of day <<<
In the ‘40s and ‘50s, driving with parking lights only in Manhattan was the norm. The same was true in Paris and other big cities in France in the ‘60s. When did it change in NYC?
Tom
For the 301 that sounds normal if its a NFI D40HF,you never see that sign on the NFI D60HF or NABI 436's
Well, it surely wasn't an articulated.
I'm running for MTA president (fake race) on the Straphangers Campaign Site. I was wondering about your ideas for bus lines if you were able to do something. We all have ideas, dreams, and the imagination. So what would you do for the bus system if you were the MTA president?
If I were president of NYCTA, I would beg and PLEAD MCI to dust off the Flxible Metro tooling and reintroduce it to the transit market, then order a whole slew of them to grace the streets of NYC. To me, that would be a major improvement to the looks of the bus system.
-F.
Oh-oh! Here we go again!
Visiting Straphangers again, eh?
:-)
No, worse. The arguement over Flxibles running in NYC streets.
Oops.... LOL!
(ignore last message.... had one-day setting and didn't see the original message)
There is nothing wrong with Flxibles running the streets of NYC. In fact, this time around they would most likely be called MCIs....right, Trevor? :)
-F.
I'd do pretty much the same thing I'd do for subways: Subtalk 256287
On Saturday I saw one of these guys. It was behind me - but I think it was a 35 footer - not sure. The Gillig that I saw was numbered 7601. You'd think they'd be better off using the UMTA style fleet numbering.
Wayne
Wow! I'm going to have to go over there and check that out. I wonder if they are replacing some of the 1987 Flx Metros then? In the past few years they had purchased Thomas 40 footers to replace 1979 and 1980 Thomas Saf-T-Liners. Those were the hardest things to drive in the world. I used to dread getting one on my route. The Flxibles were a dream to drive. Hopefully, they get rid of those Blue Birds too. That was the only bus I had an accident in, so it became a curse for me.
I was guessing that the Blue Birds might be leaving. I hate to see any Flxible Metro removed from service. I'm very curious about the engine. I passed it very quickly, but the engine sounded similar the one Ride-On uses in the 35 foot Gilligs from Gaithersburg depot. Doesn't sound like anything from Detriot Diesel or Cummins. Caterpillar????
Wayne
Its been 7 years since I've worked with them, so there probably aren't any people still there that I know that could give me some good info. At least I hope not since everyone except the GM and the maintenance manager were students!
I sure wont be sad to see those Blue Birds out of there. They were the worst things in the world to drive. Those and that stupid trolley they had, too. I never took a charter that required driving that monstrosity.
Blacksburg Transit is very similar in structure to Shuttle UM; it started out with Bluebirds during its inception in 1983...six 30-foot models, to be exact. I never was a fan of them; how they served all of the Virginia Tech campus I will never know. Fortunately, their service expanded rapidly, and in 1986 they began to receive Flxible Metro "B" 35 and 40-footers...their first real transit buses, which are still in use there today. The Birds have long since been replaced with New Flyer LFs; soon to go this fall are their 1989 RTSes, to be replaced by the same. The Metros, however, will stay in service for at least the next few years. :)
-F.
I'll drink to that. SAVE THE FLXIBLES!!!
-F.
I hope they aren't getting rid of the Flxes; I'd like to go there and ride them one good time before the Gilligs take over.
-F.
If you do want to ride, the one bus route that is open to the public is the one that runs from the Collge Park Metro on the Green Line to the campus. All others require a student ID to board, but they most always use a Flx on the CP Metro run.
Wonderful! How much longer will the Flxes stay in service? I may plan to work that in with a trip to DC at some point. I'm also itching to ride the WMATA Flxes again.
-F.
I'd think that some of the Flx's will be around for awhile. The 86's and 87's may only be around for a short time, but they also have several from 1991 that should hang around for a bit. The 40' Flx was so easy to drive, better than a car.
Plenty of WMATA Flx's around. I saw a couple recently that I haven't seen in ages. I don't know where they were hiding.
I guess a lot of campuses and small cities took advantage of how cheap Blue Birds are. The tail swing on those things were a nightmare.
That's good to hear; I hope to get there to ride them soon. THanks for the info!
-Fred
Does anyone know if the TA plans to use numbers 1-99 again. I remember riding PA1, the Grumman on the then M29 now the M66 from Licoln Center over to First Ave. Any thoughts and comments would be appreciated
I must be REALLY old....I remember TA buses starting at #1 -- but they were GM Fishbowls!!!!
Yes, the first TA order of fishbowls way back when (1959 or thereabouts) was buses 1-190. Bus #100 is in the Museum fleet and many people mistakenly believe it was the first bus in the order.
They could,it took them almost 10yrs to reintoduce 3 digit #'s back into the mix
Saw it on Q44 LTD today. The headsign on #522 is like the Headsign on Green Lines #5501-#5507 and #5517. So i guessing MTA is trying that sign out and hopeing there would put those signs on their buses. I relly like those signs. You could see them a bit better in the sunlight and it's bright at night.
Q44 Orion5 #522
The TA has had this sign on this bus for quite a long time - perhaps a year. It is highly visible from a great distance, and certainly a vast improvement. But, to this day, nothing has yet to replace cloth or mylar roll signs for clarity and the ability to put more information and color on the signs.
The sign is NEW! The last time I saw it. It was the Headsign like Green Lines #5503 before getting replace what it have now.
The NEW sign's that are on #522 now and being put on Green Lines Orion's are NOT made by Babilos. The one #522 had before and #5503 was made by Babilos.
Only been trying that one out for like 2 years now
I have fround photos of the Orion7 at this website. It looks NICE! Just can't wait to ride one when it come's to NYC!
http://users6.cgiforme.com/cptdb/messages/467.html
Here's anouther one with the Orion7. The first one is the DEMO Orion7. This one is the MTA Orion7.(Also have the Translink Orion5 Suburban with it.)
http://users6.cgiforme.com/cptdb/messages/456.html
nice bus-but looks small
Don't be so quick to judge a book by its' cover! The Orions' track record around here isn't all that great.
I saw it on the QM2A at about 7:30 PM on 6th ave in Manhattan today. I apologize if this has been asked / mentioned before, I checked the last two weeks of posts and only saw about 4 with the subject of MCI and 0 with Queens surface.
Questions: What's the deal with this bus?
When did it get here?
Does it have a set schedule?
Is it QSC only or will it be seen on CTC or GBL?
Is it a cruiser or coach?
What's the footage (looked 45)?
Will it be around for a while?
Should an order be placed, will it be only to replace existing MCIs or will it also be an addition to the fleet (sick of getting hard-seat Orions).
Apologies if this is old news, but I almost never check BusTalk.
My guess is that LLE and NYBS will be next for this bus .CTC exp runs are too short for OTR's I can see GBL using them for the QM16 and QM17.Those runs would be long enough.
I doubt that GBL will ever see OTR Coaches in their depot but you never know. If they did, I can only see at most 10 buses there.
If it was at Triboro, it'd be parked along 23 Ave and would be severely vandalized. And yet as said their lines are not long enough. The only line that I could see them on is the QM24.
I guess that the MCI Classic days are numbered. I see that Triboro Coach is only repainting 1985-1986 RTS Buses and not any other RTS, MCI Classics or Orions in which should be done 1st cause they'll be in service there the longest.
Also about GBL: When are they getting those Orion 5 CNGs for their local lines? I can see that they're getting their 5500s in tact but those 1985-1988 RTS Buses are a health hazard. I was behind 287 a few days ago in a car and I had to close the windows cause this bus was blowing too much excessive smoke.
#782 QM24
#3067 Q53
#287 Q60
Saw 783 on the one of the Wall St Exp.runs this afternoon (wasn't sure if it was the QM11 or QM24W)and she had the new paint job.And those Orion V's are going to be of the transit varity to replace the 85/86 RTS-04/06's
if the Orion V are to replace the RTS buses at Queens Surface, would it make better sense to sent the RTS to Triboro so they could get rid of some of their older buses?
That's not happening and I'll tell you why. Triboro is REPAINTING their older RTS in the new futuristic scheme. Recently buses 659 677 695 and 701 which were at storage lots or other depots, came back to Triboro Coach with a fresh coat of paint. 644 and 646 are 2 others that have been in Command Storage in Brooklyn. Watch these 2 buses come back to Triboro Coach with a fresh coat of paint.
Also the only 2000 TMC CNG RTS-06 that has been repainted is 2067. What about the others?
No MCIs or 2800s have been done in a while and there still no 3000s that have been repainted in the new scheme. Why?
#677 Q18
#3067 Q53
I meant that all 140 Orion V's are going to Green Bus Lines to replace the RTS-04/06's.The same exact thing that Queens Surface did 2 yrs.ago with their RTS-04/06's(Those buses except for a few in the 270's were sent too be scrapped as well.)
A few of the 250s were not scrapped either. A few that I can think of are 251 256-258. 231 is in South Jersey somewhere from what I know.
#270 Q66 (Old School) :)
#470 Q66
[I meant that all 140 Orion V's are going to Green Bus Lines to replace the RTS-04/06's.]
Somebody knows something about a nycDOT bus order ?
I don't think they are ordering any new buses at this time.
As for the 96 RTS buses in our fleet, they aren't going anywhere until we get a replacement for them. Plus, God forbid we have a CNG problem, we should have some non-CNG coaches in the fleet. To "make service" every day we need all 337 buses.
Mr t__:^)
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are my own & do not necessarly reflect those of my employeer, nycDOT or the Mayor's office.
[If it was at Triboro, it'd be parked along 23 Ave and would be severely vandalized.]
As long as they are not CNG cTc & Green can park them inside.
Mr t__:^)
New York Bus Service has 4 of thier own MCI D4500 Cruisers that will remain in NYBS Service (WILL NOT BE SWAPPED) unless NYBS is not pleased which the MCI D4500 Cruiser is right up NYBS's alley. The 4 Cruisers are currently at the property receiving thier paint.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
Are they keeping their current MCI commuter express equipment? They seem to be very well maintained.
I heard they were purchased with funds obtained from other then nycDOT. So, it would seem logical that they will stay at NYBS for a while.
Mr t__:^)
I was wondering why a few of them (old Liberty plates) had "Official" license plates.
Wayne
There's a good question ....
Some nycDOT buses have "Bus" plates while others are "Official".
I was told that "Official" means the City ownes the bus, but they own them all, well almost all anyway.
Mr t__:^)
That figures. A privately owned ex NYCT RTS I see from time to time has Bus on the plates. I always thought Official meant they were owned by the PA.
But my question is: are they in service yet?
Cleanairbus
hybridbus@aol.com
carlwal@hotmail.com
I believe 11a was referring to the MCI Classics, not the cruisers.
[When did it get here?]
It's been in town since last Monday.
[Does it have a set schedule?]
It does a AM & PM express run, we are trying to put it on different routes every day, also different drivers, so we get input for nycDOT from customers & operators.
[Is it QSC only or will it be seen on CTC or GBL?]
Yes, it was leased to us to TEST ... Thursday after we scrap off the QSC logo & take out our farebox it will be headed upstate.
There was a RTS Express version in our yard last week, but it was only here for a day ... got no time on our routes.
[Is it a cruiser or coach?]
Yep, same as the TA bought.
[... will it be only to replace existing MCIs ...]
Too early to tell. nycDOT just spend some serious $ putting some more miles in our MCI Classics, BUT they won't last forever (most have over 400,000 on them) AND they don't have provision for wheel chairs. nycDOT would very much like to replace them with a CNG express coach, but the choices are few. The MCI Cruiser (the one we're testing) comes in a "clean diesel" model which they may settle for.
Disclaimer: I'm just an employee here & NOT a spokesperson for my employeer, nycDOT or NYCTA.
Mr t__:^)
Thanks!
If they're looking for CNG express buses, can't they go for NJT's CNG MCIs?
I don't believe MCI makes a CNG version of their Cruiser model.
Mr t__:^)
Didn't NJT test one?
NJT has a few dozen.
-Hank
NJT has 77 MCI 102D3 CNG Cruisers, all of which are assigned to Howell Garage and used on US 9/Central Jersey to Port Authority runs, as well as the 307/309 routes to Great Adventure.
This site is amazing, thanks for the input. I'll be asking a question of someone & they'll be wondering how I found out this info.
BTW, I have absolutely nothing to do with what nycDOT decides to buy, but I do enjoy asking them these kinds of questions.
Thanks Dave & Ctrahs74 !
Mr t__:^)
What it says in the subject line. Ignore my last post.
After the extensive testing of the Seventy-Seven (77) MCI 102-DWA3 CNG Cruiser at New Jersey Transit, MCI has decided to make a full production D4000 CNG Cruiser Model.
The D4000 CNG Cruiser model can be ordered in the same fashion as its diesel counterparts. And if MCI is as customer please as they have been so far, they will have no problem making a D4500 CNG Cruiser for DOT, that if the DOT decides to go 45 foot.
All MCI has to do now is come up with a D Series Hybrid Electric coach, and that'll give the Transit/Commuter bus manufacturing industries a REAL run for its money!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.com
A CNG-Hybrid would be the ultimate derivitive of such projects. Imagine the advantages of such a system!
-Hank
OH HAPPY HAPPY,JOY JOY!!!!!!
MCI had listed this model on their website (seems to have been removed recently), but unless Detroit Diesel comes up with some extra grunt, I would not expect to see a CNG D4500. NJT's 102D3s have just 330hp, while the new diesels are the dual-rating 370/430hp engine. The Series 60G needs a lot more ponies to get that coach moving with anything that resembles highway speed.
Not necessarily, I've personally gotten one of our CNG Cruisers to do well over 65 MPH!
T.
Was this the same one you happened to break the govenor on?
Nope, that was a Flxible that I did that too! :o)
T.
It was either empty or on flat road. A friend in south Jersey who rides the 139 daily says these things struggle getting up the Driscoll Bridge on the GSP if they're seat-loaded - all the MC-9s and Eagles would go by them.
I have to agree, CNG buses seem slower. The Series 50 diesel engine is ALOT faster than that of a CNG. After getting off one of the 300 series CNG's at LIB, then getting on a recently repowered Stengal Orion on the Q76 you can feel that difference, the diesel has alot more power. I used to for CNG but I think that as long as people are buying gas guzzling SUV's than why should bus agencies be forced to purchase CNG buses. God knows so much $$ was wasted with LI Bus and their CNG fleet when we could've had more buses, and better service. I could give a crap about a car stuck behind a bus, which is what Tom Gulotta claimed that the new CNG fleet would rescue car riders from having to breathe diesel fumes. Bull I say, riders should come first.
NYCT is smart to remain with good old reliable diesel. It is cheaper to maintain, more reliable and has better performance. CNG should only be used in smaller depots, not widespread. But envirofreaks often force their own beliefs on us, but uncover the mask and you will see they are driving a gas guzzling Ford Expedition which is way more fuel wasting and polluting than a diesel bus.
I used to be for CNG but after seeing the crap that these CNG buses have given MSBA, and all the extra money, that could've gone to more buses and better service, it just disgusts me.
And our diesel Orions with the 6V-92 engine are going strong. The CNG buses are different story. Not to mention the louder engines on the CNG's (the Series 50G is like a giant lawnmower next to a Series 50 diesel)and annoying woosh wooosh sound they made.
Autos pollute alot more than buses yet the buses are always picked on and I'm tired of it.
The lower output engine is one issue, but the big problem is the weight. CNG is VERY heavy. NJT's CNG MCIs have a standee limit of just 4, while the diesels can take 22 in addition to the 49 seated folks. Those 18 people are replaced by the CNG tanks.
It sounds to me like CNG is trouble all the way. If it's heavier and less powerful it defeats the purpose. Also, CNG stations are EXPENSIVE to install at a TA...all for a bus that usually doesn't last as long. We almost got CNG Orions here but opted for diesel Gilligs instead.
Flxible got a lot of flak in the early 90s for their CNG buses but it was not their fault; the supplier gave them faulty cells. And THEY got bent over for it, NOT the supplier!
-F.
"It sounds to me like CNG is trouble all the way. If it's heavier and less powerful it defeats the purpose. Also, CNG stations are EXPENSIVE to install at a TA...all for a bus that usually doesn't last as long."
I guess that's why there will only be three depots in NYCT which will be CNG capable, according to the MTA: JG, COL, and M'VLLE.
[I guess that's why there will only be three depots in NYCT which will be CNG capable, according to the MTA: JG, COL, and M'VLLE.]
No, it has more to do with the cost of the CNG to operate & repair AND the cost to explosion proof all the TA depots ... am thinking of some that are inside a large building.
Mr t__:^)
Except when fewer kids and adults come down with asthma
I never looked into that; you have a point. I came down with a bad case of asthma at 15; strangely, it disappeared by the time I was 16. Apparently it runs in the family; some of my cousins in Michigan have to carry inhalers as they have chronic asthma. How mine disappeared I will never know; very strange indeed.
-F.
CNG isn't heavy; in fact, it's lighter than air. What IS heavy are the reinforced tanks necessary for it.
-Hank
[CNG isn't heavy; in fact, it's lighter than air. ]
No it's not. Remember it's compressed, compressed air is heavier than uncompressed :-)
Arti
It's the weight of the TANKS and the CNG vs. the weight of the diesel.
Also the CNG tanks are on the roof, so it makes the bus a little more top heavy. Orion recently improved this by reducing the quantity of tanks on their local version form 12 to 8.
Mr t__:^)
Doesn't matter where the tanks are. NJT's MCIs (the point of this thread) have their tanks in the luggage compartments. Still causes an extreme weight penalty.
What have you learned from Consumer Reports and Dateline NBC about vehicles with a high center of gravity? They're TIPPY! Putting the tanks under the floor of the MCI was a necessity due to their height.
-Hank
HOWEVER, if she blows it will go streight up ... remember the Hindenburg ? That's why they are on the top of the Orion Vs.
Mr t__:^)
CNG is NOT hydrogen. And hydrogen doesn't explode, unless someone wants it to. The Hindenberg burned, fuel by the hydrogen, but the airship was coated with flammable fabric.
Makes no difference anyhow. I've seen them test automotive tanks by firing at them with a .22 rifle. The tank didn't flinch. The gas won't 'explode', but it will burn VERY rapidly as it expands when released. You're more likely to asphyxiate from a CNG fire (due to the rapid expansion and consumption/displacement of oxygen) than burn or be injured by shrapnel.
-Hank
Thanks Hank, for the Physics lesson, seriously I never stop being amazed at what you're likely to learn here.
Mr t__:-)
It is, but it's not a factor here. The tanks, as noted elsewhere, are the weight issue.
Oh, and it's a change of mass, not weight. Gotta find my physics text, and Jodi's chemistry text.
-Hank
Never thought of it that way. That makes perfect sense with all those tanks on the roof. No wonder they're slower off the line that a diesel. I think that's why CNG Orions working for MSBA have six speeds instead of five.
I agree. The EPA should burn in hell for taking the 6V92TA away from us; that was a strong-running engine that sounded a LOT better than the rice-burning Series 50. Those make our 1994 Gilligs sound like lawnmowers! Fortunately our new 2001s have a Cummins ISL inline 6 which seems to sound smoother than the S50 four-banger. I have yet to ride one though.
-F.
One thing to remember If a CNG runs out of gas you have to tow the bus in to refuel her.
If a diesel runs out of gas just send a fuel truck
Thank You
WHY would a bus be in service so long that it runs out of gas? That's an extremely unlikely scenario.
-Hank
Not so unlikely at LI Bus. Some drivers tell me it happens more often that you think. The CNG burns quickly, especially in the summer with the A/C going, when buses running out of gas are more commonplace.
Again my main experience with CNG are at LI Bus, and the problems over there definately don't help performance. Whenever I've gotten to ride the CNG Orions at Queens Surface they perform significantly better than those at LI Bus. As far as breakdowns I've hardly seen any QSC Orion CNG's breakdown. I've seen more of the older RTS's broke down than the Orions.
I've also occasionally rode on the New Flyer CNG's at Jackie Gleason depot which seem to run OK.
My main gripe here is that Tom Gulotta and Nassau county government could've seen the financial problems coming years ago yet committed the money for the expensive CNG buses when for the sake of practicality, we could've had better service. Most rational thinking people with little money to spend will buy a regular economy class car, not some luxury behemouth, yet Nassau county does not think that way. Another example is that monstrosity of a pool at Eisenhour park, it cost the county millions.
[ running out of CNG ... Some drivers tell me it happens more often that you think.]
We fill them up EVERY night & don't let them idle on the property, so we don't have too much of a problem ... point of interest, there is no gas guage for the driver to see.\
[My main gripe here is that Tom Gulotta and Nassau county government ... buying CNG Orions]
I think they were in the same "save the enviorment" mode that nycDOT & NYCTA were in ... also seem to recall the Feds kicked in some cash if you bought CLEAN vs, DIRTY buses.
BTW, Give them a little credit for getting some new equipment on the roads ... wasn't that long ago that they had a lot of Flexibles !
No I'm not anti Flexibles, but those at LI Bus were pritty used up.
Mr t__:^)
Before the arrival of the Orion fleet, I used to see Flxibles, 870s, Gilligs and ex NYCT Fishbowl remans run past my house. The Gilligs were more of a joy to ride at the time. I hated getting the Flxibles since knee room was nonexistent if you were over six feet tall.
Been there done that, for this guy of 6 foot six inches !
Mr t__:^)
Yow...six foot six? You're a human 40-footer!
-F.
I always liked the Flxes; usually if you sit in the side-facers and the very back of a Metro the leg room is fine across the board. The other seats I can see a problem with though.
-F.
CNG was required by the state; a percentage of transit fleets over a certain size must be 'clean fuel' or 'alternative fuel' vehicles. The problem with CNG is that it's actually a GAS, not liquid. Therefore, you get less mileage in warmer weather than you do in cooler weather.
-Hank
Hence why "running out of GAS" is much more common in summer than winter.
You haven't run out of gas until you've been to Gimli.
Look it up.
-Hank
Gimli? Where is that?
Manitoba.
I'm not going to leave BusTalk just because a minority feels that I sting and doesn't like me, this isn't a popularity contest.
This also goes to prove that those with the most vocal exits, don't actually end up exiting. If I ever leave again, it will be a slow, quiet process like all my other, longer hiatuses from this board have been.
That and I feel that by losing Bustalk I lose an important source for my Bus History website, and that Bustalkers would lose that information. For those that don't like me, there's a killfile.
Now I'd like this to pass. If you want to respond, I post a valid e-mail.
You don't have to throw rocks & mud everytime you enter a debate !
I've found some of your posts very informed, but it's hard for me to click on you post when so frequently it's full of insults.
Did you ever here the one "you'll catch more flys with honey then with sour grapes", it applies to changing someones opinion. Think about it before you throw some of that mud at me.
Mr t__:^)
Just today, I thought of you and what you once said about reading back a message before posting it (or something), which is great advice that I should try to heed.
Of course, in the thread that caused the latest controversy, I didn't start the insults. Still my fault for sinking to the other person's level by responding.
Yes, it's very easy to respond in kind to someone who throws the first rock ... I try very hard not to, but there have been a couple of times when I had to later say to someone that my Smilie Face signature is because I realy didn't intend it in a mean way.
Mr t__:^)
Hey guys, I'm back! Did you guys miss me? I did not think so. Anyways, I saw bus 2001 on the S92 in Southampton last Friday going toward Orient Point. I was a suburban style bus with higher seats than the 9600's. Maybe Southampton is getting some new Gilligs which would be a pain. I want those Flxibles (9300's) and those Orions too.
Ray
My wife's car was hit in the parking lot where she worked sometime on Friday. Typical of today's society, no note or anything. Don't take responsibility for your own actions.
Anyway we made arrangements to have the car fixed at a body shop on Skidmore Avenue in Deer Park.
In order to get to Skidmore you go up Brook Avenue until the fork.
This shop is located in an industrial area. At one of the body shops on Brook Avenue prior to the fork parked in front is --------
Suffolk Transit 30-ft Flxible Metro # 9340 with its front bashed in, no windshield, but looking like can be repaired. It still has its NYS license plate (old style) and the old livery. Could not stop to see who the contracted carrier was, but my guess would be either Educational Bus (EBT) or Intercounty Motor Coach since both are located in the general vicinity and the 30 footers are used on some of the feeder routes in the Babylon, Deer Park, North Babylon areas such as 2A, 2B.
Anybody have any info on what happened ?
Ouch! Hopefully it will be repaired soon; if it's a 9300 it's WAY too young to be put out to pasture.
-F.
I'll try to get back to the spot soon to see the damage. From a quick driveby it was just some damage in the front above the bumper and the windshield is gone. My guess is that either someone stopped short in front of the bus or the driver was inattentive and didn't stop in time. The license plate which is mounted below the driver still safely attached so that the metal panel was damaged badly if at all. It seemed that the center panel and the panel near the passenger door took most of the hit.
Hopefully the driver is okay; let me know what goes on with that bus.
-F.
Can you take a photo of that bus when you by there Please?
I passed there last night to check on my own car. It was about 9:15 at night and already dark. The bus was inside the body shop and I didn't have a camera. I think that the repair has begun.
What happened to your car? Also, I thought Suffolk did their own body work; who do they subcontract it to?
-F.
My wife parked the car in the lot of the new job she started at 8:30AM. She eats lunch at her desk and didn't go out until 3;30PM. I think she was backed into a spot and someone didn't turn carefully heading in to the spot. The car's door has the remote mirror pushed in, a couple of creases and a dent in the front fender and a slight one in the back......$2,900 in damage.
Since Suffolk County buys the buses and gives them to private contractors to run for them, there is no CMF. I believe that the contractors are responsible for the maintenance. Therefore the body work was subbed out. Who will pay for any deductible on a policy is unknown.
Ouch! $2900 damage? What kind of car is it? Also, I wonder how much the dollar amount came to for repairs on the Flx...bet it's not cheap!
-F.
The car is a 1999 Monte Carlo.
How do you like your MC? I drove a 96 once and it seeemed OK.
-F.
At last! Someone other than me has seen ST Gillig 2001. I didn't know it was a soft seater. I think she would be more at home in the Hamptons, if the seats haven't been tore up already from those 8A runs. That means either HJ or Sunrise Coaches may be getting new equipment. They operate the local buses on the east end.
How does the TA train bus operators? Is there classroom instruction? Do they use bus simulators? How are they trained in the field in the actual hands-on operation of a bus? Is there a centralized training facility? Are there training manuals that are readily available?
I would assume its a combination of classroom and field work. Manuals and study guides are probably given out. They do get practice on actual buses. Some buses have depot stickers with the words "TRAINING BUS" on them.
One day last year while at the DOT yard off Flatlands Avenue a class was training on RTS 95xx from UP. This is an industrial area and very deserted. The instructor has them all standing on the curb to simulate passengers and one student at a time had to try and come close to the curb to pick them. The instructor stood in the street and using hand signals to guide them in. They also were practicing backing up as you constantly heard the beepers going off.
I hope that Big Al or one of the other B/0's who are on Bus-Talk can fill in the numerous ommmissions I'm sure I have in the above paragraphs.
Theyve been using simulators the past yera and a half or so.
When i did it it was 7-8 days with a training supt. on a bus.
If you got through that, you spent 4-5 weeks in a depot you picked (more than likely brooklyn, though i have seen guys go direct to queens lately), and you learn the lines. They pair you with another b/o, you work what they work but you (at least you should) do the driving. My first day at FLAT i worked run 5 on the B2, paid 12:18, was the 2nd highest paying run in bklyn at the time. 655AM to 740PM.
5 hour swing.
Did the 41,44,46,49 3 times each.
How does the TA train bus operators?
The NYCTA is constantly changing and improving upon the way they train (and hire) new bus operators. There is a training class which consists of a minimum of 7 practical days, up to a maximum of 10 practical days. Upon completion of the training class, the individual will either become a NYCTA bus operator, or be asked to resign, depending upon the results of 3 exams given during training, and of course, passage of the NYS DMV CMV road test.
Is there classroom instruction?
The classroom instruction is minimal. After the first day, you don't see a classroom until "graduation day" whereupon you receive your badge and become an actual bus operator. The first day of class is usually spent with Lou Miello telling 70's bus war stories. ;-)
It's a 'welcome' class, of sorts, but is also the time you pick a work location (in seniority order). How could you pick in seniority order, you ask? (Okay you didn't sak, but you might be curious). Seniority level begins the day you apply for the test. The time and date on your application becomes your seniority level. Upon passing the written test, your seniority is your list number. In school, you pick via your list number.
The first day of class you are given a training manual, which outlines the NYCTA New Bus Operator course and program, a wheelchair key, and other information packages.
Do they use bus simulators?
There were no such simulators while I was in training. Apparently there are now. I still haven't seen one, but it's possible that I will upon my bi-annual review at Customer Service class at Zerega.
How are they trained in the field in the actual hands-on operation of a bus?
After the initial classroom session, each new appointee is assigned a depot in which to train in the field. Groups of 3-6 operators (depending on class size) are assigned to a given depot (either TA or OA, and it makes no difference where training is concerned) and are instructed by a Training Superintendent.
Before any technical application of policy is initiated, you're afforded a casual drive to get a 'feel' for the bus. For me, it was Randalls Island and the Bruckner. Once everyone has had an opportunity to get their feel for the bus, in-depth instruction begins. Pre-trip inspections, air-brake inspections and tests, and knowledge exams every 3 days. The final practical exam is 7 days after you begin. If you cannot satisfactorily complete the program in 7 days, you are afforded a maximum of 10 days. If you do not pass the practical exam upon such time, you are asked to resign, or then terminated.
During actual field training, an instructor will control the bus via hand-brake installed on the front-right-most grab pole, which connects to 3 brake lines under the first jump-seat. You may have noticed valves on some buses in this area. That's what they're there for.
If the instructor has to use the hand-brake after the 3rd day, you've failed that portion of the practical. If it's used on any exam date, you've failed the class.
Is there a centralized training facility?
I don't believe so, but there may be plans to have Zerega used in that capacity, if it isn't already. Hopefully, a newly appointed operator can elaborate. Once we leave the 'school room', we rarely hear anything about it, other than what's published in 'The Leader', the NYCTA DOB Newsletter issued monthly. The actual school room itself was located at Walnut Depot, and I believe it's been moved to Zerega now.
Are there training manuals that are readily available?
There is an in-depth binder available to new appointees. Here's a day-by-day breakdown:
Day 1
Introduction
Purposes/Objectives/Decision Points
Purposes/Objectives/Conditions
Bus Familiarization
Pre-Trip Inspections
Preparing for trip
Basic Maneuvers/Negotiations
Bulletins
Day 2
Purposes/Objectives/Conditions
Defensive Driving/Smooth Operation
Emergencies
Spacing/Distances
Bulletins
Day 3
Purposes/Objectives/Conditions
Air Brake System
Doors
Turns
Service Stops
Railroad Crossings/Drawbridges
Stopping/Starting on grades
Bulletins
--Decision point 1--
Day 4
Purposes/Objectives/Conditions
Kneeling System
Wheelchair Lift
Highway Driving
Backing/Parallel Parking
Bulletins
Day 5
Purposes/Objectives/Conditions
Modified Interlock System
Returning to Depot
Bulletins
Day 6
Purposes/Objectives/Conditions
"Pre-Qualification Examination" Checklist
Bulletins
--Decision Point 2--
Day 7
Purposes/Objectives/Conditions
Article 19-A Requirements
Electronic Farebox
Radio Operation
Pre Qualification form
Bulletins
--Decision Point 3--
Upon completion of the 7 day training course, the NYCTA gives their final Qualifying Exam, which is MUCH harder than the NYS DMV road test.
You then report to your picked depot for "Line Training" where you drive all day while the bus operator sleeps. :-)
After Line Training, it's back to the school room for graduation, badges, and 25-life.....
:-)
HTH
Thanks for the detailed answer HTH. Very informative.
You're welcome. I'm sure I've left out many details of the training course, but it's been a while since I've dusted-off that manual! It isn't the type of thing that can be scanned to show you here- it's well over 200 pages, with NYCTA bulletins, etc.
By-the-way, HTH, is short for 'Hope this helps'.
:-)
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Very nice; will there be any whole running buses there as well?
-F.
I will be relocating to South Florida shortly and have a lot of old TA bus information which some collector may have. I live in the south shore of Nassau County and if you are interested contact me at Barry Lv@Netscape.Net.
Some of the information is the proposed 1991 service changes including the TA interntal inofrmation as well as other bus and subway changes such as the 1988 Queens service reroutes due to the Archer Ave opening etc.
If intereseted please get in touch aand leave phone number and name
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.......lives on. Saw her on the B14 at Mother Gaston and Pitkin Ave this afternoon.
B14#3669Mike
A Fresh Pond survivor. One of the few and proud. Send it back so we can run it into the ground!
Can some on tell me what is going on at FP, cause the last couple of threads I've read about it, they involved buses being "ran into the ground."
Can some on tell me what is going on at FP, cause the last couple of threads I've read about it, they involved buses being "ran into the ground."
Fresh Pond is playing *Santa* to Queens Village this year. Apparently, MaBSTOA has no 'almost-dead' buses left, so it's up to FP to pull the weight....
:P
did you guys forget 3669 was an ulmer park original.
Nope-it wasnt. this is what Ulmer Park had:
3651-3659
3680-3748
3660-3679 went to FP
having worked at ulmer park from 1980-1987 and being there in 1984 i remember up getting all buses 3651-3748. 3749- 3799 went to castleton. 3790-3799 soon went to the bronx,
IIRC JAM had the order before UP(3580 or 3600 -3650)
and then 3771-3789 were transferred to Yukon
Is There any difference bewtween the RTS models produced by GM, TMC & NOVA? Outside of the Model Numbers 1, 3, 4, 6 & 8.
SOME would say quality.
Peace,
ANDEE
Some people like me. Now, not to go off on Nova, but there seems to be problems with the buses they made between 1999 and 2000. If you don't believe me, then why is it that NJTs latest RTS deliveries are going to Cummins for repairs, and that NYCTs ones will be following close behind at the rate they are going?
There sure are; the 01 is the slopeback, while the 03-06 are squarebacks with minor changes between series. The 08 is the wide front door (WFD) version; early types looked more like the original RTS at the front, while later versions have a hideous front section that looks like it was tacked on....truly one of the ugliest bus front designs I have ever seen. Also, the RTS was made by GM from 1977-87, then TMC from 1987-94; later versions are made by NOVA. Hope that helps!
-F.
Actually, most of the RTS-03s were slopedback.
I see; thank you for clearing that up. What were the differences in the 01 and 03 slopebacks?
-F.
They were nearly identical. They had a slightly different front bumpers and the rearward leaf of the front doors did not have the bottom glass window. The 01 bumper had small "bumperettes" at the corners while the 03 have the same bumper that later RTS.
Wayne