Enjoy!
Thanks David! First a FASTER subtalk server, and now a NEW message board, what more could we ask for?
Thanks
Thomas
Thanks from all the bus fans Dave!
David: Thanks very much. This has been needed for a long time.
Redbird
A MUCH faster server, a spanking new BusTalk forum.... (I think we're being spoiled.) Thanks for all the great stuff!
Now all we need are free e-mail addresses: me@nycsubway.net :-)
Now I can have my arguments with Wayne, Hank and trolley bus without taking room from the subway guys! Only kidding!
Fernando, I found that map you were seeking. No charge. e-mail me with your address and it will go out. If you want to send me anything such as stickers, decals, or patches, fine. See you on BusTalk!!
Very nice.
A bus board.
Brand new. Fast.
Great.
.....can someone please explain: what is so interesting to discuss/remember/ponder about regarding buses???????
Same reason some people are wild about rats - they're here.
Dave,
Many, Many thanks. I'm sure I and my fellow bus people will enjoy...
Wayne
David, thanks. Now if this site helps me track down any old edestination signs, I will be really pleased.
Regards
Joe Butler
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Joe Butler
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Hell, the Subway-Surface didn't even shut down last Febuary when we got socked with the snow. IIRC the only routes that were affected were the Manayunk and Roxborough routes, which couldn't the hills and the snow. Now how'd WMATA do in those circumstances?
:)
just wanted to be one of the first to say waddup. also a question. i have seen many RTS, more then a few years old, recently retrofitted with new destination indicators and chrome hubs....what is the reason for this mini-rehab>?
NYCT regularly give it's buses overhauls and mini-overhauls at certain points in their life, but the 7000 and 7500 are rebuilds. The 7000's were done by NYCT and 7500's were sent out - I think it was a firm called Midwest. These are buses from the 1981 and 1982 order. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that 110 buses would be rebuilt.
Wayne
The inhouse rebuilds i think are done better than the outside vendor. They put this dopey little (smaller diameter) rubber looking sterring wheel on the 7500s and the turning radius is lousy.
The 7000s still have their old steering wheels.
If I was going to take the N22 bus from Carle Place into Queens and transfer to the F line, would I get a free bus-to-subway transfer with Metrocard? Can Metrocard even be used on the LI bus?
I also remember hearing something about a Nassau-to-Queens surcharge. Does anyone have any details on that?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Answer to first question - yes, Metrocard will cover both trips (N22 and F) for one $1.50 fare.
Metrocard also eliminates any Queens/Nassau surcharge. Prior to Metrocard LI Bus charged $1.50 for inbound Nassau to Queens trips, and $2.00 for outbound trips (making actual fare $1.75 each way, or a 25 cent surcharge).
Some years ago, the TA was talking about being more aggressive about route changes. No more would buses follow a particular route just because trolleys did 80 years ago. But nothing seems to have happened. Is the TA actively trying to rethink its routes?
Baltimore ain't no better. The great bulk of the MTA bus system follows the same routes that the streetcars did. Virtually every line, save the 22,33, 44 and 55 routes, was once upon a time a streetcar line.
Baltimore's last streetcar lines quit on November 3, 1963. That's 35 years and counting.
Stonewall routing isn't just for NYCT, see Cleveland, Philadelphia, Washington, and many other unenlightened systems.
I sure wish NYCT and MTA were alike in terms of equipment. NYCT had over 3400 RTS.
Sorry, but MTA got soured on the RTS with our 3300's. Sealed windows, A/C that wouldn't work (try that in Baltimore's famous summers) and a funny turning radius that had a shopman with 32 years of service bang one into a wall at Carroll Park Shop. Add to that that GM refused to put a lift in the front of an RTS and MTA did not want the operator leaving the seat to board/alight a wheelchair. Everybody (management, operators, shopmen, passengers hated them.
They were retrofitted with openable windows, and a new A/C unit (rear mount, making them look like RTS-4's), but they still were low on the list.
Finally, the MTA got the 12 years UMTA demands, scapped the first 60 and pawned the remaining 40 to Ocean City, where they (for some funny reason, LOVED!!! Go fig.
MTA settled on Flxible Metros, buying them right up to when Flx went bye-bye. Now we have NABI's. I avoid the bus system whenever practical.
They do try to update and add new services every so offen. For instense B15 JFK service, M60 and Q48 Laguardia service. not to mension the Q5, Q85 Green Acers Mall And most recently Q46 Long Island Jewish Hospital. Also the B57 Downtown Broolkyn. Bx12 Bay Plaza shopping mall, S79 reroute into Bay Ridge Brooklyn. B8 Brookdale Hospital {Eastend of route} now the only terminal, and west into Bay Ridge. Also the M14 to Chelsea Pairs, M11 and Bx 18 to Riverbank State Park. Not to Mension eliminating teh Bx55 from Yankee Stadium.
The Q46 extension to Long Island Jewish Hospital interests me. Before it got extended to there, talk existed of extending the Q46 into Nassau so it could go into the the shopping center right down the road (Sears, a kosher deli, the Wall, amongst other stores). What every happened to that extension? Was the idea trashed in favor of the extension to LIJ, or was the LIJ decision made after it had been decided not to run the 46 to the shopping center?
Every month ,,I list ALL changes and proposals ,,from the NYC Transit Committee Agenda
Just completed the January Listing
---in Subtalk
Steve
Can't find it in sub-talk or bus-talk. Please re-post.
January Agenda Discussion--Bus Topics Only
Involved X11 Staten Island Extension to Vicotory
Blvd near Wild ,,,Same Turnaround as Victory Blvd
Routes ,,West of Wild Av --off the Road Turnaround
M100 North and South Terminal Extensions
---End of Review period for the year
Permanent in 1999
BX5 Change Route
Bruckner Expwy,,Castle Hill Av,Lafayette
Av,,White Plains Road,,,Bruckner Expwy
December Agenda Included
M1 M22 M15 Changes--Pearl St
---now in effect
Williamsburg Bridge Shuttle
via Delancey and Norfolk St
and Subway Service Changes
x1 X14 Batttery Park Loop Elimination
--Now in effect
X17 X31 via 23 St and the FDR Change
--Now In efffect
Q88 Route Revision in Rego Park
via Horace harding (WB)94 St,59 Av,,return via old
route via 59 Av,Junction Blvd ,,and HHE (EB)
M10 Route Revision,,now in effect via West St and
Spring St
Where does one get a Long Island bus map? I've never actually seen one.
There has not been a LI Bus BusMap for at least 5 years
Hopefully ,someone will publish something
If you need any Routing Notes,,let me know
Steve
I saw a abandoned buses in LIRR yards near atlantic ave and these buses are going to scrapped? Why don't they rebuilt and put back on the street or sell the buses to other company?
Most of these buses are 1981-1983 RTS buses taht have seen far better days. They are probably only being held onto in case ther isa major catastrophe (a-la Grumman) that will warrant their returning to service. There are several of the yards around the city.
I just read in the Post yesterday that the lifts on the most recent order of Novas are defective and the TA has ordered to replace them at their expense. Dont know if theyre talking about the 1998 Novas (9350-9699) or the 1999 Novas (4900-5249 - which arent all in yet anyway).
Probably the 1999 order; but why is this happening again? Didn't we go through this oncve before already, something about the 'Lift-U II'?
-Hank
While watching Channel 4 news tonight they talked about a proposed new policy to allow napping by TA employees on their swings. :>
During the voiceover by the anchor (Chuck I think) they showed some footage of a couple of trains and a few RTS's on the B77 route. One was 1495!!! - long gone from the active rolls. The other was 4630 still in Gleason depot I believe.
Of course looking at the paint job on both this footage was at least three years old as theye had the old 'M' on the front and the old style numbers
the 4630. that is a slow bus and let's not talk about how slow that back door is. I had it on friday 34 on the 9
I was interested in knowing why the 60-foot articulated buses run exclusively in The Bronx. I can certainly think of many lines in Brooklyn that would benefit from these buses.
The current plan is to get these buses in flatbush depot in the near future if they aren't already so. Also there are many rumors in the mill that westside depot may be getting these buses but currently its just talk.
There coming to Broolkyn very soon. you may be seeing them on the B-41 Flatbush line
Plus the 44, 46, and 49. Flatbush will be all articulated, and the smaller routes that don't need them are being given to other depots.
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Thats about the time when the old timers will pick out of Flatbush on the next system pick
There are plans for Flatbush Depot In brooklyn to become the total Articulated depot with in the next couple years. Also they will also used on viriois lines in Manhattan in the future as well.
I'm from Jackie Gleason Depot and the 1949 Jackie Gleason bus has been missing for about a month. They said is at a bus museum. Does any one has the 411 to that.
If I recall from Memphis, TN they had two sizes the 48 and 53 passenger versions.(in Memphis the 400 series numbers were 48 passengersand teh others 53.) Now the RTS types-are they smaller-I think from what I see is that RTS have 43 seats
There were many sizes of fishbowl buses. 30' 35' and 40' all came 96" wide and the 40's could also be 102" wide
The 35's normaly were 45 passengers and 40's up to 53 but there were many seating options.
The RTS has a larger engine compartment and the rear door is wider to accomodate the wheelchair lift. so some seats were lost there. If the bus is lift equipped you loose a few more seats. The front trnasverse seat is longer so one extra sideways seat costs a pair of seats so -1 again.
A "normal" ( if there is such a thing) 40' RTS with 2 wheelchair positions will seat 43 passengers. We like the singe right side forward facing seats between the doors. I costs 3 to 4 seats but some people like the single seat in off peak hours and during peak times it increases the standee room and makes manuveing a wheel chair into the forward securement position easier.
Nice to see you on the bus pages. Have your seen the Memphis streetcars and Nova low floor buses? Both are very nice.
It was rare, but GMC also offered 35-foot models with a 102 inch width also.
Yes you are right> I forgot about them I only saw one 102 fishbowl but there were many of the old look buses. I drove them for a while 4509's I think. They were 1950 and 51 models (No air ride till 53 they had leaf springs and rode like it unless you were loaded)
I know that the 4512's were the 96" 35 foot air ride and I think the 4513's were 102's
40' versions were 5104's and 5105's respectivley.
The suburbans were 5108's for the 40' version I don't remember what the 35 foot suburban was. Were they 4515's?
I never did master the GMC old-look model numbers. With the new-look (fishbowls) - for a long time the last number indicated the width of the coach: even=96" odd=102". I think this practice may have ended in the 70's because the NYCTA's last fishbowls were T6H-5309A's and some T6H-5310's and I don't know of any 96" wide NYCTA fishbowls other than the ex-MSBA suburbans that were used in SI X-bus service for a while.
Wayne
In general practice with the GM New Look transits, the last digit being odd indicated wide bodies (102 inch) and even numbers were narrow bodies (96 inch) up until the end of GM new look production. This was true in both the US and Canada.
In the late 60's the "A" and in the early 70's the "N" were added to the end of the model number to indicate air conditioned or non-air conditioned.
The baby fishbowls (TDH3301's and TDH3302's) and suburban transits did not follow this odd/even numbering for widths but did use the "A" and "N" when GM started placing them on the models however.
I'm not exactly sure of the T6H5309A's and T6H5310A's however as I never even heard of those models until just a few years ago but they were exclusive to NYCTA, MBSTOA, and MSBA.
RDChilds
[ex-MSBA suburbans]
So that's where they got those 01100 series from! I never knew that.
Yep, that's where they came from. Of course it's too late now, but when they were in SI X-bus service The "M" logo over the front door & drivers' window was the one MSBA used with "Suburban" under the "M". I always wondered why NYCTA decided to give them 5-digit fleet numbers, especially since there were no other 1100 in the fleet.
Wayne
In 1997 I rode the trolleys- they are nice. I have not seen their low floor models. Perhaps next trip to Memphis.
Do you or anyone have a web page for MATA (Memphis Area Transit Authority)-either official or unofficial.
Great...another excuse for the politicians to bust on the bus industry...
Will Green Lines, Jamacia, Command, etc. Loose Their Routes???
Just Wonderin What you think?
Hi everyone,
Just curious, do any of you guys own buses (transit) as personal vehicles? I have two beautiful 40 foot 1981 GMC New Look/Fishbowl T8H5307A models that I bought last year from a transit system in Kentucky. Both buses are from GM in Canada. And yes, I do own a car (Chevy Camaro) and do not rely on my buses for my daily travels. *smile* Tough to navigate the buses through supermarket parking lots- which I have attempted before.
If you are not a current bus owner, what bus type would you like to own? I regret selling my 30-ft 1969 baby GMC Fishbowl TDH3301A but it was too hard for me to maintain 3 transit buses and a car. If I could get the 30 footer back, that's the bus I would want. I also would like to get a 1960 GMC Fishbowl with **original** tailgate. I'd dump my two T8H5307s for one 1960 model in a heartbeat!! Hmmm- mabye the MTA in NYC might be interested in selling their 1960 green fishbowl (numbered #100). Hmmmmmm
Cheers,
MIKE
Mike,
How envious I am. Those GM/Canada T8H-5307A has been one of my favorite for years. I'm sure you must know that they're very fast. I cannot own any buses at this point as I have no place to store them, but if I could I'd probably have GM/Canada like yours, a Grumman 870 with the 8V-71 engine and a GM Classic for starters.
RE: Original fishbowls: WMATA (Washington DC) still operates many fishbowls. Most of them are TDH-5304, but they're are some T6H-5305A's and T6H-5306A's - and then there are few TDH-5301's also. Some of them (along with some Flxible 530096) have been retired since the arrival of 212 Orion V's last year, but there are plenty still operating (including the 1959-61 TDH-5301's). You may want to contact WMATA as I'm sure their days are numbered. WMATA had intended to retire all of the new-look buses in 1998, but the Orion order was reduced by 50 buses.
A concern is that many of these buses now have the rubber bumpers (I always liked these bumpers) and none have their original tailgate/engine access door - they all have the newer type from the last fishbowls. All have A/C also - most still work.
Wayne
Hi Wayne,
I have actually visited the WMATA facility on Jefferson Davis Hwy/Glebe Road near Crystal City, VA. I saw many GMC fishbowls (circa 1960s) and even very early models. And yes, I have noticed the late model tailgates used on 1970s buses. Very disappointing! Also- their interior seating looks very very worn out on several buses. My cushioned seating still looks fabulous (then again, my buses are from 1981). Still, I wouldn't mind taking one of them home with me someday.
Any other fishbowls in your area? I'm down in TN where our transit system has six 1972 T6H-4523A but they won't hit the auction block in this town. The general manager wouldn't allow that. Darn....
Cheers,
MIKE
I've often toyed with the idea of buying a transit bus. How much does insurance cost? Registration must vary by state - any ideas what the options are in New York?
If I could own any transit bus, I'd want a GM old look for nostalgic reasons. I was bused to kindergarten in 1966-7 in an Evanston (IL) Bus Company TDH-3610. According to my parents, I was a bus fan even before then, but that really solidified it. But at this point in time, I doubt I could get my hands on a decent old look. A fishbowl seems more realistic, and there's no lack of nostalgia there either.
I did own a bus once: at the tender age of 11(!) I submitted a bid to the local school for an old non-running 1957 International/Wayne school bus. Mine was the only bid, at $20, and they actually accepted it. We had it towed to a spot behind the garage, where it became a way-cool play house. I bought a hefty transformer and had all of the lights working. Ah, the good old days.
-- Mike Brandt (just back from a ride on a Neoplan AN-440, an RTS 08, and a Budd RDC.)
Given the fact that huge non-household vehicles are now a status symbol (SUVs, Humvees, etc) I think the bus companies are missing a real marketing opportunity here. Which is more impressive in an "executive" suburban driveway? A third Lexus, or a bus?
The biggest problem you would have is where to park it. Most suburbs have restrictions on what can be parked, to keep commercial vans and the construction workers that own them out of town. Here in NYC, commercial vehicles are not allowed to be parked on the street, and residential plates will not insulate you from ticket and tow if the bus "looks" commercial. As for off-street parking, it is only allowed in residential zones if it is "accessory." Accessory is "typically found in connection with." Is a bus typically found in connection with a residence? I think you need to have a second home in a tolerant (ie. not the Hamptons) rural area to own a bus.
Very good points presented. However, I currently reside in a mid-size city where I park one bus on a residential street (the other is in the garage getting some repairwork done). And yes, I do get my share of warnings and tickets from the police dept.- but then again, there are months straight when the police are very very tolerant of this 40 foot "intruder" on the streets. Actually, I have spoken to a few of the cops and they were real cool about it. Oh- my buses have "private" plates (motorhome tags).
cheers,
MIKE
As I've posted on this site previously, I don't want to own a bus. I just want to be able to get together with my friends and neighbors and rent a bus and driver from my local TA for an off-peak outing (to the beach, shopping, a ballgame, etc. After all, as a taxpayer, I paid for the bus. I yet another example of regulations to favor the policitally powerful and screw the public interest (see my comment on the vans), I'm told that the federal governments forbid transit agencies from offering charter service.
The private bus operators pushed for the rules in the 70's when UMTA money first began to flow. A friend of mine was working for a city as a a transit coordinator. They were allowing a 3 hour charter to run for $21.00 most of the runs were put out at overtime and the going charter rate was $18.00 to $25. per hour with a 5 hour minimum charge.
The privates had a point. The city or transit system should recoup operaing costs but the regulators in the Nixon era over reacted and allow charters only if a private operator cannot provide the service. The trick here is to have a freind that needs a lift, then you can charter the city bus.
A sad tale. And here is the sad part -- are the privates really pushing charter service? Are they advertizing? Recruiting? Sending letters out to groups that they can do this? Do people you know get together with others and charter markets.
No. They got a monopoly, then shrunk the market. Let's imaging that the TA offered charters at cost, and pushed the service through flyers distributed in subways and on buses, plus flyers mailed to every organization they could find. Lots of people would get the idea to do this. Then lets say when you called the reservation number, you were given the option of the TA or a list of private providers. The privates would end up with more business then they have today, especially since I assume the TA wouldn't go out of the city but the privates would.
That's why I suggest that the TA simply break the law, then wait for the privates to sue to stop it. They could settle out of court by offering the privates a piece of a growing pie.
In the southern city I currently reside in, the local transit operater can certainly run charter service.......and do so quite frequently. In fact, the public bus system undercuts the competition by a long shot. In fact, the GM was very concerned when he learned I had acquired two 40 foot buses with cushioned seats. Before I purchased these buses (from an out-of-state transit system), I asked him if he had intentions of selling his older GMC New Looks/Fishbowls- and if he did would he contact me. Well, very recently, he sold a few buses- all chopped up just to piss off those (me!) who might pose a threat to his operation (particularly the charter business). Hmph...
Not sure if there are federal regulations prohibiting transit systems from chartering- if there are such regulations, I know several systems in direct violation. Transits that charter is much much more common than we want to believe.
Cheers,
MIKE
The RTS buses that have CNG are 8398, 8399 and 8567.
Orion bus numbers 581-610 have CNG
The CNG buses I rode on are the 582, 585, 586, 588, 589, 592, 593, 597, 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 606 and 607
and soon to arrive at gleason depot new flyer low floor cngs 800-854.
Queens Surface painted CNG'S 500-511, 513, 514, 537
Haven't seen any CNG'S from 517-533
512, 515, 516, 534-536, 538-581 do not have paint jobs
QS buses 177-192 have been scrapped (I think)
they only have 6 orions (700-705) why only 6?
I saw QS CNG bus #529 unpainted on 2-8 on the QM1A.
When i was driving near west farms and saw a empty land that used to be a old depot. I wonder that there is only one depot in the bronx that Gun Hill Depot. So why they(MTA)should built a another depot maybe two depots? My father is a city bus driver for 16 years and he work at 100st depot before close down and went to West Side Depot. So i ask him what they going to do with 100st depot?? Torn down and make new depot?? He told me they going to rebuilt the 100st depot. Im not sure they going to rebuilt the 100st depot because it 105 years old building and i would said torn it down and built a new 100st depot. He told me that 100st depot is the best and want to come back until 100st depot open again.
The site you're reffering to is the location of the old Coliseum depot. A new Coliseum depot will be built there. Kingsbridge is actually in Manhattan (218 Street and 10th Ave) but it's a Bronx depot. Amsterdam and Mother Clara Hale are operating a few Bronx routes at this time. Those routes are: BX15, BX6 (Amsterdam) and BX19, BX21 and BX33 (MC Hale).
My understanding was that 100th Street depot would be renovated.
The old Coliseum was a landmark. It should have never been torn down.
HI,I NEW TO THIS BOARD;DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON THE PLANNED BUSSUPPLEMENTAL SERVICE WHEN THE WILLIAMSBURGH BRIDGE CLOSES IN THE SPRING? ALSO, WHAT IS THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF ALL THIS? THANK YOU.
There will be a shuttle,,similar to the B39 ,,Turning around at Norfolk St
Steve
There are new RTS buses. The new ones are 1998 (9350-9699, 4901) and 1998-99 (4900-5249) These have new comfortable seats (9524-9699 don't).
Please specify, if you can, which order the article in the Post of 2/1/99 was referring to(re:stuck wheelchair lifts:
The new ones I rode on are 9385, 9388, 9398, 9400, 9410, 9413, 9430, 9434, 9496, 9497, 9625 and 9632.
Hi guys,
What's your favorite transit bus model? I always dug the GMC Fishbowl/New Look from various years. My very first GMC fishbowl was a 1969 30 ft-baby fishbowl. Since then, I've purchased two 1981 40 foot fishbowls. My dream bus, as mentioned earlier, would be a 1960 GMC fishbowl with **original** tailgate. Fat chance of getting one but I'll keep searchin'.
Anyone like Gilligs, Orions, Neaoplans, AM Generals, Ikarus, MAN New Flyers, Flxibles (metros or new looks), etc, etc? What's your favorite?
Cheers,
MIKE
Try the GM TDH-5101 series, like New York City 4500-4899.
I've always liked the 1982 GMC RTS-04 models, particularly the express coaches (1735-1852).
I wish I had the space to own my favorite. That would probably be a Suburban model Fishbowl. I used to commute on them quite a bit. They rode very well and were reasonably quiet. And they seemed to be Ok for the driver at speed adn in any kind of weather.
When the Fishbowl came out - it was radically different from any other bus built at the time. They looked almost futuristic.
It's sad that most of them seem to be gone now.
Mine are the RTS's, especially 4212.However it doesn't belong at Fresh Pond depot. Fresh Pond has no regard for the Bronx style numbers on the back.They took it off.
I like the Flxible Metro "D" series. New Jersey Transit has the suburan version with one door. These buses are fast and comfortable and also have a nice ride. WMATA also has some as well as CTA but of course they are Transit versions. It would have been nice if NYCT got the order of 50 Metro "D" transits. The #'s would have been 1900-1949. It would be nice if the Flxible would be introduced.
Peace
DaShawn
"New Jersey Transit has the suburban version with one door".
They also have many more regular transit versions with a rear door, used mostly on local NJ routes. If I'm not mistaking, the majority of those are assigned to South Jersey garages, but there are also many in North Jersey (Market Street in Paterson and Big Tree in Belleville I think carry the bulk of them).
Flxible went out of business in 1995 and I don't think any other manufacturer continued production of that line, so I'm pretty sure the Grumman-Flxible design is extinct. The NYCTA did purchase Grumman 870's back in 1980, which they used for a short time and later sold to NJ Transit (they are still in service, but scheduled for replacment in the near future -- with more RTS models).
I always liked the Grumman-Flxible more than the RTS. The Orion V somewhat resembles the Gru-Flx design (the Orion V's are also a very attractive bus), so I think NJ Transit should have gone with that instead of the RTS, which are ALREADY starting to show their weaknesses!!!!
Somebody here mentioned that SEPTA's RTS buses had an irritating rattle -- yep. NJ Transit's also have them. I think it's the rear door making that racket. The transmissions on them do not shift very smoothly and the engines are very noisy ---
I guess NJT wants to see me suffer . . .
Fishbowls with Bat-wings. End of story.
Now I've heard a rumor that MCI has bought out the Flxible design and will start making them again, first 35 ft models, then later 40 ft. Don't know how true this is, though.
I sure wish it's true. I really like the Grumman 870/Flxible appearance.
If this is true, then the MTA (Baltimore) will be overjoyed!! They fell in love with the Flxible Metro in 1982 and never left until Flx went OOB. If MCI starts making the design again, to Flx's standards, then I suspect no more NABI's.
Flxible once stated, "we'll build the body, and put anybody's power plant in it". Here in Baltimore we dreamed of Flxible TC's. Once upon a time (and not to long ago) the MTA was actively investigating converting a line (possibly the 19-Harford Road) to TC. But alack!! The plans were dropped early in 1993.
I also forgot to mention that I'd love to see the Flxibles with the cool new interior lighting scheme used on the last two orders of RTS in NY.
It gives an atmosphere so reminiscent of the original lighting when the Grummans were new, yet is still brighter. (I guess the lighting on the express Flxibles in NJ comes close)
Perhaps, if built by MCI, NY would give a crack at it again.
My favorite transit bus is Triboro Coach Corp rts #2819 because I was the first person ever to ride this bus besides the bus driver. It had that "NEW BUS" smell at the time. This bus is very fast taking off.
My favorite bus was the ones owened by the Fifth Avenue Coach Lines.
One of the buses was in the 2600 series.They were very smooth
riding buses and the paint design was different.
I have a few that top the list for me:
The Grumman Flxible 870 and Flxible Metro and latest GMC fishbowls. An extra delight for me are GM of Canada fishbowls and Classics.
Always liked the GM TDH 3612/TDH 3714s (30 foot; 96 inches) great buses!
Loved the TDH 5303s with bat wings that MaBSTOA operated! These were the best they had and the best built!
However, my real favorite of all time was the GM TDH 4510! (35 foot; 102 inches!) These were NYCTA special order of 1949 (in silver with green trim), MaBSTOA got these in 1962 (repainted in two tone green with black bumbers).
American Precision makes this particular bus model in HO scale. Offers it in all paint schemes (including Chicago Motor Coach -- looks real good) EXCEPT IN NYCTA ans/or MaBSTOA COLORS! And they are the only ones who operated them!
WHY?
My favorite bus is the RTS 4100 series. Its a fast bus and solidly built. Much better than any other of the RTS series. Especially the crappy 8700's and higher. And forget the hybrid junk feels like your driving a three year old kids battery powered car!
My favorite buses are the 8400 and 8500's. They run very fast.
The 1981-82 buses are 7000, 7500-7510. The 1983-84 buses are 3001-3064. The 1984-85 buses are 3400-3432. The 1990-91 buses are 8130-8165. The 1993-94 buses are 8401-8457. And the 1998 buses are 9382-9443.
The 1983-84 buses are 3165-3171, 3181-3184, 3273, 3302-3312. The 1985-86 buses are 4021-4070. The 1987-88 buses are 4600-4669, 4683-4722. The 1993-94 buses are 8518-8567. And the 1995-96 buses are 581-610.
The 1983-84 bus number 3304 was stuck during a construction in the snow. It was on the B-67 line. I was going to Barnes and Noble bookstore along 7 Av. and 6 St. I got out at 16 St. and I walked all the way to 6 St.
The 1981-82 buses are 7511-7534. The 1983-84 buses are 3065-3094, 3153-3159, 3174-3180, 3185-3208, 3257, 3300-3325. The 1985-86 buses are 3985-4017. The 1990-91 buses are 8090-8129. The 1994-95 buses are 8671-8703. The 1996-97 buses are 8899-8938.
7511-7534 are now in Ulmer Park.E.N.Y now has 4946-5024. Ulmer Park was supposed to get 4945-4984. There was politics involved in the decision to send their order to E.N.Y.
Is there anyone out there,,who can assist me with LI BUS Route Descriptions,
I do have basic notes,,but my material is about 5 yrs old
Thank you
Steve
FDNY
Does anyone have Routing Details on the Shuttle ,,on the Queens Side
Running between 61 st and 2 av and Crsesent 21 st ,in queens
Thank you
Steve
Both Green and Queens are striping the new Orions. The look better then the factory job because they don't have the black around the window.
I saw 5503 and 5504 with paintjobs
I saw a couple of other 5500's painted:
5508, 5509, 5515 and 5541
however do these buses have the same system as 5501 and 5502 w/ the talking system or are they going to install that sometime in the future?
more to come....
I saw 5522 with a paintjob. More to come.
5537 has a paintjob. More to come.
Saw a Triboro CNG on 2/2. #3087 i think
Do any bus buffs happen to know which buses were sent to WS to operate the M-34&M-42, prior to the actual opening on 3-29-98?
The bus routes that were sent over to West Side Depot effective March 29th, 1998 are:
M10,M16,M27,M30,M34,M42,M50,M72,M79,M86,M96,M98,M102,M106,X90 & X92.
Westside rec'd all buses from Amsterdam which were several 4100's, 4800 and 8640-8670. Amsterdam rec'd most of the buses from Walnut which closed permanently.
Westside also rec'd most of the buses from 100 St depot which included 3800 (express buses), 7500, 81-8200, 4500 and 8600. I sure a few buses came from other depots also, but most of them came from Amsterdam and 100st
Wayne
The 1981-82 buses are 7001-7037. The 1983-84 buses are 3217-3254. The 1985-86 buses are 3900-3910, 3943-3984. The 1986-87 buses are 4321-4345. The 1990-91 buses are 8352-8396. The 1998 buses are 9351-9381.
There are also a number of 1982 1700 series coaches (never see them), all of the 1983-84s are gone (scrap or elsewhere), some of the 3900s have been moved. And they have 1999 RTSs 4901-4902 and 4904-4944
A few of the 3900's are at KB and GH. They still use 1700 on express runs.
1981-1982 buses are 7001-7037 (remanufactured) 1982-1983 1740-1742, 1745, 1773, 1819 no more 1983-1984 models they're in the Bronx or elsewhere 1985-1986: 3905-3907, 3947-3949, 3951-3960, 3962, 3969-3984
1986-1987: 4321-4345 1990-1991: 8352, 8355-8396 1998: 9350-9381 (been on all of these) 1999: 4901-4902, 4904-4944
I ride these buses everyday that's how I know the roster.
Queens Village Depot buses I rode on was the 3904, 3949, 7022 and 7023
I've rode on every 3900, 4300 and 9300 bus in QV. Every 7000 series except 7008, 7028, 7030 and 7037. Every 8300 series except 8371 and all 4900 series except for about 15 buses.
{I've rode on every 3900, 4300 and 9300 bus in QV. Every 7000 series except 7008, 7028, 7030 and 7037. Every 8300 series except 8371 and all 4900 series except for about 15 buses.}
........so whats the big deal?
Look somebody said that they rode on certain buses in QV and I just responded to him by saying that. GEESH, gimme a break! Just making conversation!
I USE 2 B N QV IT SEEMS LIKE U HAV 2 KNOW SOM1 2 GET A GOOD BUS $$$$$
They also have 4429, ex-Mother Hale depot bus.
Where is #4903?
Where is bus # 4903?
#4903 is the odd one of the bunch, according to the latest bus roster that is posted at: http://members.aol.com/glen6398/nycbusroster.html, it will be an alternative fueled RTS bus. What alternative fuel is still not known.
I know that it has alternative fuel but where is it?
i think it still being converted probably at atlantic diesel or if nova has a regional service center(probably atlantic diesel!)
The 1984-85 buses are 3657-3677. The 1985-86 buses are 4071-4112, 4201-4213. The 1987-88 buses are 4670-4682, 4723-4752. The 1990-91 buses are 8131-8171. The 1996-97 buses are 9140-9184. The 1998 buses are 9571-9605.
Fresh Pond only has 3657-3665,3668, 3670 all of which are being stored pending scrap.They're under the EL structure along FP Road station
And that's because the others were replaced by the 1998-9 order;
5055-5074
I just got word that those buses aren't under the structure anymore. I heard they were sent to Jackie Gleason.
Does anyone have pictures of GMC fishbowls/new looks with those advertising Bus-O-Ramas ("batwings") that illuminate at night? New York City had hundreds of them (first arriving in NYC around January 1966 with a few remaining in service till 1982). The last one I saw in operation was at the Jamaica Depot in southeast Queens (even had the highback commuter-style cushioned seats)- ran on the old Q5AS-225th Street shuttle. Unfortunately, I have never taken any pictures of these wonderful buses. I have seen the bus posted on the NYC Bus Page but would like to know if there are any other photos floating around. If you can, please post them online- if not, can you contact me here or by e-mail and perhaps we can arrange something. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
MIKE
NYCTA had close to 900 of these buses and a few (1966 TDH5303-AC) were rebuilt in the early 1980's by Blitz corp and they operated into the early 1990's at 100st depot. Of course the Bat Wings were removed when they were rebuilt.
Also SCRTD (Now LAMTA), Los Angeles also used bat wings.
My father is a city bus driver for 16 years. He drove a batwing at night in the late 80s and he didn't like the bus because it very slow and making him late. I remember i went with him riding the batwing and getting late so he stop at 23st and told the dispatcher he want to switch the bus because it very slow and getting late. So the dispatch said ok so my father went to 193st last stop for bus and wait for other bus to switch. When he switch the bus and he said to me i will never drive that bus again. I remember the # of the bus is 8624 with batwing. I think that the ugly bus i ever seen. I remember the batwing#8624 retire from the service and park inside the 100st depot untill the depot close last march,98 and i didn't know where the batwing went?
This may suprise some of you out there but New York City was not the only metro area blessed with GMC fishbowls/new looks with "batwings"/Bus-O-Ramas. Miami's old MTA system had GMCs with Bus-O-Ramas (up to 1980, I believe) as did the GRTC in Richmond-Virginia (late 1970s). Suprise, suprise....
Unfortunately, I do not have **any** photos of GRTC or Miami MTA buses with Bus-O-Ramas. What I would do to get my hands on a few of these photos...........hmmmmmmm
cheers,
MIKE
Any chance you or anyone else has any of the destination signs from the Bat-wings?
How about the bat wings themselves? I would do anything to get a hold of these bus-o-ramas.
cheers,
MIKE
I remember back when I was in Grad school, reading an ad about a company which was trying to re-sell them. That was in the early 80s, though. A roll sign from Flushing Depot and maybe one from a Manhattan garage would be very cool. They actually had some white on blue signs, installed after the route renumbering in Manhattan, as I remember seeing the M27s at Dag Hammarskjold Plaza with the blue signs. The white on black ones said M3, etc.
Just curious- does anyone know if the MTA will start using some of the RTS buses with cushioned/padded seats on some local routes (Staten Island or any other borough). Hey, if new Orions with cushioned seats could be placed in local service for Washington DC WMATA Metrobus, then New York City could certainly take a stab at it (excuse the pun since padded seats are typically torn by stabbing with a knife).
Cheers,
MIKE
theyre used at castleton and yukon for local and express service. a few are stored at yukon and the rest at the old edgewater depot-easypass location.
Green is running cushioned-seat Orions. I have seen many slashed seats.
Are you kidding? Green Bus Lines is running Orions with cushioned seats? I didn't know this. I'm sorry to hear that the seats are getting torn up. I thought that riders (particularly, the youth) have learned to appreciate transit in the late 1990s (taking their frustrations elsewhere- as evidenced on the subway system). This is a shame.
Keep in mind, Jamaica Bus Lines had cushioned seats on many many of their buses in the fleet (GMC New Looks, Flxible New looks, and early RTS and Grumman Flxible models). And Jamaica Bus Lines travel through some of the worst sections of New York City (Rochdale Village and South Jamaica). Yet, most of those seats remained intact. I do remember this phenomena (till about 1983 or 84).
Cheers,
MIKE
The Green Bus Line and Queens Surface Diesel Orions have padded seats because they were originally supposed to go to WMATA as part of an order of 262 buses. All WMATA buses have padded or cushioned seats and for some reason (which I don't know) WMATA rejected these buses (50) and I heard that NYCDOT got a great deal on them.
Wayne
Ohhhhh- that means the interior is blue. Those WMATA Orions all had blue cushioned seats. Gee- what a clash with the green on Green Bus Lines and the orange/red (or whatever colorscheme it is these days) on Queens Transit. Still, the seats are very very nice. Hope Queens Transit riders have more respect for public property and opt not to tear up padded seats on buses.
cheers,
MIKE
Yes, but all WMATA buses have padded of cushioned seats.
I saw express buses 104, 106 and 112 on the Q74 Route.
Their roster is as follows:
Express: 101-113
Local: 173-232, 254-316, 400-401, 411, 425, 452-456, 505-580
500 series are currently getting paintjobs
111 was on the Q74 on Monday i believe
It happens sometimes when there is a shortage of morning pull-outs.
A mixed blessing at best on local routes when crowded or simply when passengers stumble over themselves when preparing to leave and when leaving.
I saw 1742 on the Q46 one Saturday afternoon in November. It could have been a driver request. I saw 1835 on a Jackie Gleason route by the Willie B recently.
It's been about 9 months since I've been to southeast Queens, but during my last visit- it seems like the "jitney" problem was at it's worst. Jamaica Bus Lines must be very very very upset by this since they are losing so many riders on the Q111-Rosedale/Farmers Blvd and Q113-Far Rockaway routes. Have the police stepped in yet and curbed these thieves (jitney/van operators) from robbing bus ridership from Jamaica Bus Lines? I'll be back in the NYC metro area this summer so I may want to investigate this myself.
PS- the only reason I rode the the jitneys/vans from the Archer Ave-Jamaica Center subway station was because I was curious (and also because they only charged $1.00 per ride!). Plus- it was very very late at night (around 1:00am) and the Q111 was off service for 90 minutes. As of 1 year ago, the Q111 did not run 24 hours/day (neither does the Q113 which has about a 2.5 hour gap in service).
Cheers,
MIKE
The vans are providing business opportunities for minority entreprenuers, jobs for semi-skilled workers, and an expanded range of mass transit options. More transit is good, provided reasonable regulations are followed, and monopoly is bad. Reasonable regulations can't be followed if it impossible to get a licence no matter how you operate, which is the case today.
I've been reading Gotham, a new history of NYC. It's amazing -- same shit, different century. In the 1830s a left wing populist group called the Loco Focos organized as a political party to fight against the practice of local government awarding monopoly franchises to politically connected cronies. They represented workers, who were denied competition between employers (lower wages) and the right to start their own company, and consumers, who were gouged.
At that time, the city had awarded the right to operate ferries to and from Manahattan to just one politically connected company, which charged exorbitant rates. As now, the government claimed to be regulating in the public interest but the pols were actually on the take. To think, it took me several years in city government to figure out what the Loco Focos knew in the 1830s! The vans are the Beech subway of the 1990s.
Anybody interested in current assignments can see what is where by going to http.//members.aol.com/glenn6398/nycbusroster.html
An u know i live near West Farms Road and I went to get gas for the car and i saw a old West Farms Depot and have been abandoned since the 1980s. I want to know why the city take so long to torn down the West Farms Depot and they planning to rebuilt new West Farms Depot? Well i don't like see abandoned building or depot for long time. I know MTA is wasting money on jerk.
The West Farms depot which was actually two buildings on Boston Rd-175th Street closed around 1983. West Farms bues were sent to Walnut depot which had been a base shop. My guess is that NYCT isn't going to do anything with that location. If they do - I don't think it will be a bus depot.
Wayne
On Saturday, January 30, I attempted to board the Manhattan-bound F at Coney Island. Only after climbing the stairs to the overpass, I was informed there was a shuttle bus replacing the F from Coney to Kings Highway. I figured I'd give my accompanying three-year old son, who loves buses almost as much as elevated subways, a treat.
Once the shuttle bus DID come (a good twenty minutes and several "I don't know where it boards" from the dispatcher), instead of following the elevated tracks, the driver headed east on Surf Avenue, north on Ocean Parkway, and EAST on NEPTUNE AVENUE! Is he taking us up Coney Island Avenue, or what? By the time we reached West End Avenue and the beginning of Sheepshead Bay, I asked him if he knew where he was going. He said no; this was his first day; the supervisors didn't go over the route with him; it's not his regular route. (Of course not; it's a SUBWAY SHUTTLE!) He was trying to read from a small piece of paper with smaller print, all while driving a bus. I navigated him back to Coney Island Avenue, then north to Avenue S, then west to Mc Donald Avenue and the Kings Highway station. What should have been a 15-minute detour extended to 45 minutes and may have cost one woman her job. Doesn't the Bus Division prepare drivers for these replacement subway shuttle routes? Fortunately, my son had a blast trying to read all the Russian language signs we passed.
we passed
From what I understand, if there is a need to press buses into service to accomidate additional riders for whatever reason (holiday, rerouting, etc.), bus operators are just given an assignment and no directions. At least that is how an NJ Transit bus operator explained it to me.
According to him, in one day, he worked the 190 in the morning, 744 in the midday, 707 in the early afternoon, and the 705 to finish his day (the bus I was on).
Lost bus drivers are apparently fairly common at NJT. I, myself, was on a bus (#108) when the driver got lost (missed his exit on the Turnpike). I had to get him back on his route. Other stories I heard involved lost drivers on the #62 (gruelling run, both for driver and passenger -- more than TWO HOURS in length and uses regular transit buses), and 165.
The driver's explanation for this mentallity of Depot (NJT calls 'em Garages) dispatchers was that, "9 out of 10 passengers know the route, so their uproars of 'What the hell's!' and 'Where the hell are you going's!' will indicate the driver that he went off-course. In other words, "Let the [tired, worn-out, exhasperated] passengers worry about it."
Classic example of Jersey mentallity.
bus drivers are given instructions on the route in writing. he should have had the brains to ask apassenger if he couldnt understand them.dont forget some may not live in the borough they drive in.
Email
Gerry Krichevsky at Bklyngerry@aol.com
and ask him why his operators are never prepared. He's in charge of Flatbush Depot or so he claims.
The 1986-87 buses are 4401-4450. The 1990-91 buses are 8000-8030, 8341-8347. The 1996-97 buses are 8849, 8937, 9111-9139.
They also have 3243 3258-9, 9050.
The 1983-84 buses are 3069, 3071, 3097, 3117, 3140, 3161-3164, 3172-3173, 3178, 3280-3299, 3321, 3324. The 1984-85 buses are 3678-3747. The 1987-88 buses are 4708-4722. The 1996-97 buses are 9031-9068, 9074-9110.
The 1985-86 buses are 3911-3942. The 1986-87 buses are 4551-4599. The 1996-97 buses are 8939-8979, 9051, 9054-9056, 9065, 9070, 9072-9073. The 1998 buses are 9537-9569.
What bus numbers that have old 1960s "Stop Requested" sign.
1960 Sign??? The first NYCTA buses with "Stop Requested" signs (that I know of" were the 1980 Grumman Flxible 870. All NYCT(A) buses from 1980 were equipped with the "Stop Requested" sign.
Also - when you said 1960, I'm thinking you may have made a typo??? - because GM introduced the RTS in 1977 and NYCTA placed it's first order in 1981.
The Blitz rebuilds the TA had also had the stop requested signs.
Yes, you're correct but they were added when the buses were rebuilt.
How come bus number 1406 doesn't have the emergency exit windows?
It doesn't matter now, it's scrapped.That was the last 1981 RTS I was on.I rode it on the B82. BTW, it didn't have the rear door interlocking installed on it.
I have a Staten Island Bus Map from 1987, I have a Queens Bus Map from 1990 and I have a Bronx Bus Map from 1993.
Which is the oldest depot in new york city??
Amsterdam depot is the oldest depot in the city. It was constructed in 1882 as a trolley depot.It was rebilitated in 1987.
100st Depot is the second oldest depot? It build in 1895 as a trolly depot until 1940s or 1950s??
You know it's closed down.I believe it will be torn down and rebuilt.
The 1984-85 buses are 3645-3650. The 1985-86 buses are 4113-4120, 4151-4170. The 1990-91 buses are 8228-8260. The 1993-94 buses are 8458-8517. The 1998 buses are 9491-9536.
Hudson Pier also has some 9600's as well I think it starts with #9605 and goes to #9618.
9488-9534, 9606-9618, 5235-5249 (soon to be delivered)
Originally, the trolleys ran on Prospect Park West in both directions next to the park, even though regular traffic was one way (I bought an old photo). So the B69 and B75 did not have to squeeze down 15th St, and did not run one way on 8th Avenue and the other way on Prospect Park West. Nowadays, with service split so few people ride the B69 that it almost never runs, and it runs so infrequently that almost no one rides it.
I suggest converting Prospect Park West and 8th Avenue to two-way streets. Run the buses in both directions on Prospect Park West (the B75 would turn onto 9th St as it does now). Get rid of the infrequent B69, but extend the (very frequent) B68 from Bartel Prichard Square to a terminal at Grand Army Plaza, with some buses running along the rest of the B69 route to the Navy Yard. This would
give people on Coney Island Avenue a direct route along the park to the Bandshell and Library -- and on to downtown with a transfer to the very frequent B41.
It would also stop traffic from jamming up on Union St and 15th St. With all the double parking, there is only one lane getting by anyway. People don't block the only moving lane by double parking, since they get honked at immediately.
What do you think?
I know. I used to live in Midwood, and if I diddn't feel like taking the D (it ran horribly on weekends, and they improved the service right after i left, in '92), then getting to Park Slope, downtown, or even the plaza was murder. I had wished that they would just combine the 68 and 69 into one route. Since the 68 is now Gleason, like the 69, they all the more should now.
That was looked at a few years ago it was found that combinat would be to long and hard to scedule. futher more the routes dom't mesh in other ways as well. As for the Brighton line service has been inproved since 92 now in rums every 8 minutes all day long on weekends. And every 10-12 minutes untill 1am at dekalb Ave southbound.
(Extended B68 too long and hard to schedule). That may be true if it runs all the way downtown, but how about just running it up Prospect Park West to Grand Army Plaza and a connection with the B41? The B69 could start there. Two heavily scheduled routes, the B68 and B41 could link together and, as an added bonus, the B68 drivers could hit the rest rooms in the Library when its over.
This suggestion is contingent on Prospect Park West becomming a two way street (along with 8th Ave). The B68 bus could run up PPW in nothing flat, so it wouldn't be too long or hard to schedule.
<<.Two heavily scheduled routes, the B68 and B41 could link together and, as an added bonus, the B68 drivers could hit the rest rooms in the Library when its over>>
I dont think theres much of a place for the 68 to lay up at the library
The idea is all right but here is the problem, the B69 is really nothing when it starts at Grand Army. Look at the B71. From PPW there is really a few passengers that board the bus. My guess is build a route that combines the B71 (west of the plaza) and the B69 (North of the plaza) in order to make the B68 work. It does build a true major connection at the plaza but can it gained passengers on a everyday basis? I like the Downtown idea because it provides alternatives for passengers especially in the Park Slope/ Red Hook/ Caroll Garden neighborhoods. I don't believe scheduling is a problem if they have partial routes within teh B68. (The route might be changed into the B66)
I see off peak potential. Lots of the attractions in Brooklyn are around this area -- the library, the banshell (9th St), the Museum, Botanic Garden and zoo. True, you could transfer from the B68 to the B69 to get up to Grand Army, but the B69 runs so infrequently it would be a hell of a wait. I doubt the B69 has carried many passengers since the Navy Yard lost jobs after WWII. But people do move around the park.
You know that dopey trolley they have running now? Wouldn't it be better to have a real bus run down Empire Blvd -- a sizable street -- around the park, and then down 9th St? You'd have to move the monument to 3rd St, and shift the vehicular entrance from 3rd St to 9th St, but it's doable. With the B68 on two sides of the park, the B41 on another, and a third route running through, access to the park would be improved.
The only posible extension of the B68 would be on the south end to Stillwell terminal and a posiblely absorbtion of the B74 Mermaid ave its only about an extra 10-15 minutes peek runnning time. This would give the residents of Coney Island better acess to the rest of the boro and ease some conjestion onn the over crouded B36. As part of this revised service you can strainten the eastbound B36 so it doesn't have to duplict the current B74 loop. Also it give the B74 additional uses other then as a feeder to the subway. You would have to either spit the B68 between UP and JG or put it back in UP Becuase the insection time to Coney Island would be to loog from JG.
B14 combine with the B71 I tell you this would work. Lets get a petition going on here.....
That would help, but how would a B68 to downtown be too long and hard to schedule? It wouldn't be nearly as long as the 44, 46, various Manhattan routes. It would even have less traffic than those routes.
Hi, Eric et al,
Several years ago, an attempt was made to write a combined B68/B75 schedule. It didn't work because the headways on the two component routes didn't mesh. If every bus were to run the whole length of the combined route, it would be horrifically expensive and inefficient. If every OTHER bus were to operate all the way through, it would mean insufficient service on the portion of the route not receiving full service. Turning a few selected trips would result in uneven headways on the part of the route that did not get all trips.
David
>Several years ago, an attempt was made to write a combined B68/B75 schedule. It didn't work because the headways on the two component routes didn't mesh. If every bus were to run the whole length of the combined route, it would be horrifically expensive and inefficient.
When I lived over there, the headways of the 75 and 69 combined were horrible. They could have increased them to match the 68, and it would have been just fine.
I thought that they were going to at least extend the B68 to its Park Slope Terminal at 19 St or use it for the school bus supplement service since both run on the same depot. Unfortuantly I like the idea of the B68 heading to downtown, but via the B69 route does not attract people. Probably via B75 since it is a popular route.
A bus fanatic
The only change you might see,is in relation to the SW Brooklyn Study
===Extend the B68 To Stillwell
---New B86
etc
I believe so too because at one time a bus (probably a test) had their destination to "Coney Island - Stillwell Ave. But I will repeat myself again B68 to Downtown. Also about the B86 route, i would like more information on that porposal and what will happened to remaining routes of B64 and B1.
B68 via Surf Av and Stillwell to the Terminal Stop used for the B74
B1 to become B86 from Mahattan Beach to present B64 Terminal ,,past 4 Av,to terminate at Shore Road
B64 Run via 13 Av to the Old B01 Terminal on 71 and Shore Road
This is part of the SW Brooklyn Transit Study
Back about 1995 or so, the TA issued a pamphlet announcing the results of the SW Bklyn study and listed a few changes there supposed to occur within the next year or so.
I think I have the pamphlet somewhere in my collection, but eher's what I can recall what was listed.
SUBWAY:
*Rush hour F express service Church Ave-Jay St. F loacl service between 179th & Church Ave, extend G to Church Ave rush hours.
BUS:
*B1/B64 route changes. B64 to be rerouted via B1 line along 13th Ave & Bay Ridge Ave to Shore Rd & 71st St. B1 to be rerouted via B64 line along 86th Street to Shore Rd and re-numbered B86.
*Extend B68 via Surf Avenue to Stillwell Ave/Coney I subway terminal.
*Extend B36 via Avenue U to Kings Plaza.
*Extend the B74(possibly via Surf/Birghton Beach Aves) to Kingsborough Community College/Mackenzie Street.
*Eliminate the B4 via 77th/78th Streets between Narrows Ave & 4th Ave.
*Extend the S53 bus to 86th & 4th Avenue.
When I was attending Kingsborough back in 1994, the TA was conducting the surveys and soliciting input for the SW Bklyn Study.
I remember suggesting to one of the surveyors that the B4 be split into 2 routes at Stillwell and 86th street, and that a branch of the B68 be extended to the College during school days.
Interestingly enough, the pamhlet I had picked up said that the changes would "be implemented within the next 1-2 years" Instead budget cutbacks scuttled the plan and the S53 change din't happen until 1998.
Finally, the B1/B64 change has been kicking around since the late 80s at this point. There was a plan back in '89 to shift the B1/B64
routes as well as a concurrent plan to extend the B70 thru Ft Hamilton Army Base, via the Verrezano Bridge and Down Hylan Blv to Ebbits Street in S.I.
First of all the "F" train would have been been done all ready but eh committee opposed it. as for the other changes under futher review it was found that the 1/64/86 was to expensive because there is two much tru riding between 86th and Bayridge Ave. AS fo the SI service The 70 erxtension Became The S79 and the S53 has been exetended 86st. As for the 36 theer is no way to turn it at Kimgs Plaza. The b1 has reseived major service increses lately.
(F express) I doubt you are going to get an F express if it means that those living past Church have to wait 10 mintues for a G, then take the G to Hoyt-Schemerhorn, cross over, then take the A, C to Jay St, then transfer to the F for 6th Avenue service.
Now, if only half the Fs ran beyond Church, so service down there was every 10 mintues, and those north of Church had G service every 10 AND F local service every 10, then maybe. But only if Bergen was rebuilt and the F express stoped at Bergen.
F express would only be half the F's the ones that originate or terminate at Kings Highway and they would run exoress along culver in peak Direction. just like the old days.
I keep saying they should send all the F's express, and have a V go to Church with the G, but this would have to wait until the next phase of Manhattan Bridge work (fully closed, or Bway side open, when the Q will need to be replaced on 6th Av). Current plans usually call for V service to terminate at 2nd Av, but it wouldn't make any sense to do that, and give local riders between Church & Jay half F service.
The B70 reroute is NOT related to the S79 and S53 route changed----check your maps
The B36 Change--discussed in the SW Brooklyn Bus Study,,spoke of Extension to Flatbush Av via Avenue U ,Flatbush,Av V,Flatbush ,,and Avenue U Return
Have you ever seen turn around at Kings Plaza it inpossible for a buses to load and then cross over 4 lanes of traffic to turn back on to ave u to go west. As for the B70 the ta hade tought of extendind it to Mill Road SI but instead they desided to reroute the S79 to Bay ridge ao brooklyn nites would have the change to have a single seat ride to the Mall.
The Kings Plaza Terminal Does need to improved. The B36 terminated by Ave V. must mean that passengers would have to face the same problem that the southbound Q 35 have. On the other hand, there is no one complaining about the Bus Stop for the Southbound Q 35. Also about the Q 35, can the MTA and these private bus companies provide Guide a Rides polls (I don't know what they are called, but those things that carry the schedule and bus map on the bus stop). For people who would like to know when the next bus comes, especially those who don't kno about the private busses systerm, can figure out where and when the bus comes.
<<*Extend B36 via Avenue U to Kings Plaza.>>
Forget about that. Unless they make a right Flatbush, make the U turn, drop off/board, continue north on Flatbush, and turn around like the Flatbush pull in line, come around the diner on Fillmore and right on Utica, bear left onto southbound Flatbush, then right on U back to Nostrand.
But other than that it might work, and the people in Coney Island will never see a 36 bus again.
Some of the B3 trips ,in the past,would use the Avenue U,FLatbush,Av V,Flatbush ,Avenue U Routing.I do not think that short turn is in place ,,anymore
Curretly all B3's operate past Kings Plaza. Although at one time distination signs did read Kings Plaza busses turned at Mill Avenue.
I have seen the B3 run via Flatbush
I lived in Bergen Beach for a bit
Years ago when the 3 was out of Flatbush some trip operated vis Flatbush Ave and also Ane N/Veterans Ave.
The study also included recent changes to the B8,,S79 and B70 in Bay Ridge
I agree with that combo 100%
Well in order for the B68 to terminate at Grand Army. The B71 should be rerouted to replace the rest of the B69 since the B71 has attracted a few riders via Eastern Parkway or the B68 extend to Navy yard on a rush hours or every 30 minutes basis. Not a bad idea but I still like the B75 better, because it connnects passengers at Red Hook and makes it easier to travel to Coney Isalnd, especially when the F trains are not runnning properly, it can be used as an alternative.
A Bus Fan
Just curious, any motor bus society members here on this messageboard?
cheers,
MIKE
Mike: I belong to the Motor Bus Society but don't tell any of the Sub-Talkers.
Redbird
This morning i saw a MCI bus #1986 and the bus is really cool. How many MCI are there and which depot? Those MCI only run Express not local?
NYC Transit has 180 MCI MC102DLW3 buses, assigned as follows:
Yukon 130 (1860-1989)
Castleton 50 (1990-2039)
Each bus is 45 feet long and 102 inches wide, and seats 57 passengers.
David
All are used in x-bus service only, as the lack of a rear door and strandee room makes them impractical for local service. They are handicapped-accessible, however, the process requires that you lose 4 seats for a single chair.
-Hank
First, bus routes that need great help for attraction:
1)B18: This bus route needs to be combine with the B13 at least, this route carries no passengers on off peak hours
2)B23: The east bound route should extend to New York Avenue, providing service around Sears and Flatbush Center, transfers to the # 2 & 5 trains, B49 and B44. The west should extend to Bensonhurst via New Utrecht Ave (good alternative to the Weest End Line)
3)B24: no comment
4)B39: depending on how the diversion situation works out, this route should extend further in Manhattan and Williamsburgh
5)B69/ B71: I add these two because they have something in common. They are only either use for school kids (both) or rush hours (B69) or useless lines
Are there any cross-Bronx bus routes that stop near 242nd/Broadway and also link up with the 4-Jerome Av. or BD-Grand Concourse lines?
If not, are there any lines that connect with both Yankee Stadium and the 1/9?
I'm trying to identify the best routes between Manhattan College and Yankee stadium, and I'd rather not have to deal with a pure subway route if it involves transferring at 168th.
Thanks in advance for any help.
To Manhattan College to the 4/B & D lines. Very simple, Take the Bx 9 at 242 St and go all the way to Jerome Ave for the #4 train (Kingsbridge Ave Station.) or the Grand Concourse for the B & D (also Kingsbridge Ave) it can be done vise versa
You could also walk to 231st and get the Bx1, which runs right down the Concourse and stops about a block from Yankee Stadium.
-Hank
Hi Guys!
Can anybody tell what kind of bus is #9900? I have not seen it yet but I have heard alot about and it's on the current roster. Also according to NYCT we are supposed to order like 200 low-floor diesel powered buses. I was wondering if they are going to be the D40LF model similar to the one that was on test here in 1997 or what?
Thank a Million!
DaShawn "D-Digital" Pretlow
My understanding was that the new buses were to be CNG-powered low-floors....
-Hank
I heard & read about it in the Staten Island Transit Needs Assessment Study that NYCT did three years ago & in that study titled Park-n-Rides location & the one they mentioned at the College Of Staten Island that NYCT was looking at direct bus service between Brooklyn & the College of Staten Island. If anyone has any information about this proposed third bus route between Brooklyn & Staten Island on where it would operate between & the streets it would operate on, please post it on the bustalk.
Sincerely,
Steve
I've heard various different accounts on this 3rd line. One version has the route following the S53 as far west as Victory Blvd then via Victory Blvd all the way to SI College. Another version I've heard about has the line running past SI College via Victory Blvd, before turning south to the SI Mall. A third version has this line using the SI Expressway as far as Slosson Aevnue the using the service roads(like the X10/X11 bus)to Victory and turning south the SI College. Supposedly this new line will be called the S65.
In reality this new route can be implemented. During weekdays and Saturdays every 2nd or 3rd S53 bus leaving Bay Ridge terminates at Victory Blvd. This "tripper" service could easily be dovetailed into a new Bklyn-SI route. The infrastructure already exists.
BTW, speaking of the SI Needs Study, could someone post all the particulars/highlights on here or SubTalk? I've only been able to find rather sketchy accounts in the local paper here on SI.
What about the victory B'vld trips trips on the S53 they can be extended to SI college.
They could, but they won't. The intention of the short trips is to increase service on the heaviest portion of the s53 route, from Victory Blvd to Brooklyn, with the connections to the Victory Blvd and Hylan Blvd buses, and the SIR. A totally new route needs to be created to serve this route. The phantom route of the s63 may eventually happen, but I doubt we'll see it before 2005. Other 'phantom' routes include branches of the the s44 and s59 to serve CSI, and the x21, x22, and x23 routes from the South Shore. But unless a politico tries to force the TAs hand, they WON'T happen.
-Hank
Just to tack this on, it'll be there until Wednesday, at least, is the article on the phantom x-bus routes.
Phantom Routes
-Hank
Summary of Recommendations
Midtown Express Bus Storage
Higher Capacity Express Buses
St George Terminal Manager
One Man Operation on the SIRTOA and increase service
Increase Customer Service for SIRTOA
Higher Performance SIRTOA Rail Cars
Whitehall Ferry Express Service--Catamaran
Grasemere Intermodal Terminal
Transfer Center Bus --Pulsed--reconfiguration
North Shore RR Service to Arlington
St George Ferry Terminal Capital Improvements
Whitehall Ferry Terminal Improvements
Bus Route Changes VIA pulse Centers
____________________________________
S40 Pulse Center Diversion
s42 Pulse Center Diversion
S44 same
s46 same
s48 same
s51 same
s52 same
s53 none
s54 combine with s57 to Seaview Hospital
s55 Terminate Route at Eltingville Center
---service to mall via s79
S56 Route diverted to Eltingville,South on Arden,
from Woodroow,service north of Woodrow to be
elminated
s57 Elminates S59 Eliminated
s60 Operate express from Grasmere Center to St
George Ferry Terminal
otherwise ---to be elminated
s61 Elminated
s62 Transit Center Diversion ,only
s66 same
s67 Reroute from Jewett and Victory ,operatig to
College and the Mall via S61/91 Alignmment
,Forest Hill and Richmond Av.
s74 Eliminate,except on AKR .or to Arthur Kill
Correctional from Eltingville Center
S76 No change except Transit Center Diversion
S78 Divert route from Hyland Blvd to Eltingville
Center va Richmond Av.Terminal thereat
s79 Elminate Brooklyn Portion
Could you perhaps make this bit easier to read? I can't understand word 1 of it.
-Hank
these are the actual readings
It is very interesting that the MTA is not looking to eventually connect rail service to Staten Island. I am currently working on a plan that would connect Staten Island to Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx, and New Rochelle via monorail. End to end travel times would be 80 minutes.
It is also interesting that no one brings up the idea of a decent way to the airport from Staten Island. I currently have a route planned called the QBS1 that would provide limited-stop service between Staten Island, Brooklyn, and Queens, terminating in JFK Airport. Estimated travel time is 100 minutes.
Finally, I have a plan to add three new bus services to Staten Island. First, the SB1 and SB2 would connect Mid-Island and North Shore residents to Downtown Brooklyn via express during peak hours. The fare would be $1.50. The S80 would provide bus service between the Staten Island Mall to Coney Island, where it would connect to a super express train to Manhattan. The super express trains would be R44 and R46 four car units and would use the center tracks on the B and N lines to Manhattan.
Please post what you think on the message board. I would be able to work on my plans more and apply pressure to Transit in several ways.
One question about the super express to Downtown Bklyn. I was looking at my old Bus map and realized that the x8 originally terminated at Downtown Bklyn and went via the North Shore (currently the route is partially the s53). NOTE: The x8 was rerouted to Manhattan and was later changed to another express bus route, very complex isn't it? Why they change that route is my guess, but it went from Port Richmond - Richmond Terr to Adams Street, Downtown Brooklyn. I think they should revive this route but also make some changes.
For those curious
X21 Downtown
Worth St
X21 Arden Hts
via Hugenot
via Drumgle
X22 E Midtown
via West St
via Madisn
X22 Annadale
Amboy Rd
via Ardn Av
X23 E Midtown
via West St
Via Madisn
X23 Annadale Rd
via Richmond
X23 Ar Kill Rd
Arden Hts
W Shore Exy
x24 Downtown
Worth St
X24 Annadale Rd
via Richmond
End
By those signs, the x21, x23, and x24 sound more like ronconfigured x17 routes than new routes.
-Hank
Back in 1991, NYCT had did a study to restructure both the X17 & X19 routes on the south shore & to use those 4 routes including using the X17 & X19 routes.
Sincerely,
Mike
Staten Island has a Transit Forum on the web & there address is:
Http://forums.silive.com/forums/get/transit.html
Check it out.
Sincerely,
MIchael
Click for Staten Island Transit Forum
I would like to know that if it is possible to reextend the M18 route. Since they have reduced the bus route from the M3, the best possible thing is to reroute the Bus via the M10. This will make M10 serve limited stops via CPW and 7& 8 Aves. While the M18 do the local work. This route can still be useful for something.
Could you send 9900 to the Jackie Gleason Depot?
It has CNG.
9900 is not a CNG bus. There are currently no CNG facilities at Manhattanville depot. 9900 has a housing on the roof that looks like it holds CNG tanks but does not. A diesel-electric bus needs a group of batteries to store the electricity that the diesel motor generate. These batteries are housed on the roof of 9900 (and the 10 Orion VI buses).
Could who? This site is not a NYCT complaint site, nor does it have anything to do with NYCT officially, so the people who make those decisions won't know what you're asking.
-Hank
is there a photograph circa 1938 showing the front side
of P.S. 214 grammar school located on Pitkin Avenue
between Forbell & Drew streets ???
photo shows trench construction on Pitkin Avenue
four track tunnel B.O.T. Route 110 Section 11
classic IND construction cut & cover
If photo exists that means that section 11 built ??
welcome any comments use telephone 718 224 -6824 thanks
I would like to know on what depots are the new 260 articulated buses going to like how many will each depot get, there seriel numbers they will be using & what routes will they be assigned to. Please post on bustalk.
Sincerely,
Michael
I know the bulk of them are going to Flatbush, which is supposed to become all articulated. The Bronx may get more, and Manhattan may get some.
According to an article in the recent issue of Bus Ride magazine the MTA took the option for an additonal 140 units to make the order for 400 D-60's. This make this the largest ordre on record for New Flyer in it's production history.
DaShawn
The pilot buses for the articulated and low floor CNG orders are being built at the New Flyer plants. They are near completion (so they say).
Flatbush will be an all articulated depot.Gun Hill depot and Kingsbridge depot will be the other depots with Articulated buses assigned to them. They will not become all articulated depots
Yes, 100 Street, M101, M86, M96. Eventually 126st might after the two year test of automatic tracking.
A couple of articulated buses should go to QV especially on the Q46 line b/c that line is so busy especially with St John's University riders. Most of the buses have a swinging load and it makes commuting especially for me very uncomfortable.
I doubt the practicality of maintenance would prevent them from assigning a couple of artics for this purpose. I know they run at least two "x" pieces subway-bound from Utopia and Union starting from about noon to 2 pm at least.
Is there anyone out there,who has a heavy knowledge of THe Bus Routes
I am requesting assistance on obtaining Bus Route Descriptions for all the 50 Plus Routes
Example
B5 Kings Hwy
Starting At Ryder and Kings Highway ,L on Ryder,L on Kings Hwy,Bear R onto Avenue P,L on East 18 ,R on Kings Hwy,L on Bay Parkway,L on 25 Av,L on Harway to stand at Bay 38 ,
Ret via Harway ,Bear Right on to Cropsey,R on Bay Parkway,R on Kings Hwy to Ryder to Stand (Bay 38 Trips)
Is there anyone out there,who has a heavy knowledge of THe Bus Routes
I am requesting assistance on obtaining Bus Route Descriptions for all the 50 Plus Routes
Example
B5 Kings Hwy
Starting At Ryder and Kings Highway ,L on Ryder,L on Kings Hwy,Bear R onto Avenue P,L on East 18 ,R on Kings Hwy,L on Bay Parkway,L on 25 Av,L on Harway to stand at Bay 38 ,
Ret via Harway ,Bear Right on to Cropsey,R on Bay Parkway,R on Kings Hwy to Ryder to Stand (Bay 38 Trips)
Thankyou for your assistance
Steve
What depots are the 1984-85 buses (3400-3799) come from?
I got an idea how about further extending the B71 from Rogers ave to Utica Ave among other things this would open up a one transfer ride from Red Hook to East New York, central Betford Stuyvesantan, East Flatbush, and Canarsie.
Can you explain more in detail.
I agree with that. Or extend the B14 to GAP. Or combining the two bus routes to make one long east-west bus route.
I am working on a production listing of the TDH5303's for a museum I belong to and I have a serial number gap in 1966 which, after looking at the NCYSubway bus pages, believe it may have been from a NYC order.
The serial numbers in question are 5091 through 5570. The group immediately after this set are serials 5571 through 5772 for NYC coaches 8001-8202.
Coach 8466 which is a 1966 TDH5303 I think may fall into the gap I have on my list.
Can anyone shed some light as to what coaches serials 5091 through 5570 are?
Thanks
RDChilds
It sounds like 5091-5570 is part of the same NYCTA order for 1966 TDH-5303/AC. 8001-8202 are those that were assigned to NYCTA depots and 8301-8780 went to MABSTOA depots. The total order was for 682 coaches - so I believe that 8301-8780 completes this part of the puzzle.
Wayne
Thanks for the quick reply. That makes sence to me. I knew GM occaisionally skipped a serial number here and there but the gap I had on my master list was close to 500 and looking at prior orders I knew NYCTA placed large orders.
With the gap that big between a Pittsburgh and NYCTA order I assumed the gap belonged to NY as I could account for all the Pgh coaches.
Thanks again for the confirmation and the coach numbers that go with the serials 5091-5570.
RDChilds
While I was waiting for a city bus in Flushing, a Long Island Bus came by. I thought it said that NYC residents have to pay more to ride the bus. If so, how is that justified, given that Long Island residents ride the buses and subways all the time for the same fare?
We did a study for the Long Island Regional Planning Commission a few years ago (1990 census data). According to that study, New Yorkers commuting to Nassau hold low wage retail and service jobs. They are commuting out because most suburban towns limit housing to single family homes to keep those with lower wages out. So this is their solution to the self-imposed labor shortage -- Can You Say Soweto? Under the circumstances, how does LI Bus justify hitting them up with higher fares?
Are the LI buses subsidized by Nassau and/or Suffolk counties? That might explain the unusual fare discrepancy.
No, Larry, it's not Soweto. There is no residency test to ride a Long Island Bus. It is a zone-based fare.
The base fare is $1.50 and will take you anywhere in Nassau County (and into a few towns in Suffolk as well). The fare between Nassau and Queens is intended to be $1.75, but to ensure that the proper fare gets collected, all rides from Nassau to Queens are $1.50 and rides from Queens to Nassau are $2.00 (i.e. same roundtrip total, but easier to collect -- I may have the exact fares incorrect).
I imagine that the fare would be $1.50 for rides within Queens, but LI busses are prohibited from dropping off passengers in Queens on eastbound trips and from picking up passengers in Queens on westbound trips. I guess it's a non-compete agreement with the TA.
Curiously, how do the zoned fares work with MetroCard,which LI Bus also uses?
-Hank
Sorry, I forgot to mention Metrocard. Now that Metrocards are accepted on LI Bus, there have been three changes:
1. The zone fare is eliminated ($1.50 fare everywhere) for those using a Metrocard -- I believe those who pay in coins are still charged $2.00 .
2. Free transfers to and from the subway (and in some cases to and from a second LI bus route).
3. Free transfers between LI bus routes when you use Metrocard. There had been a charge of 25 cents (I think) for a transfer.
There is no more zone charge. The fare is $1.50 in coins or with Metrocard. However, if you transfer with a mertocard, there is no transfer surcharge. If you pay with coins and ask for a transfer, you pay a 25 cent surcharge.
(No more zone charge -- free transfers with Metrocard) That is certainly good news, especially for low-wage workers commuting out. Perhaps there are some signs that need to be changed out there to reflect the new rules.
Here is the Green Bus Lines Roster:
#222-238, 240-268, 270-292, 602-608, 610-652, 701-704 (1 door), 705-716 (2 doors), 1001, 1003-1015, 1150-1182, 5501-5544, 10001
(CNG's to be delivered soon!)
The numbers are nice, now if we only knew the make and model of each series.
Don't worry, you will ahve the make and model within a day or 2. I know what the buses look like but I'm not sure of the make and model. When I know the make and model, I'll post it right here. Thanks.
gman
Here is the Triboro Coach Roster:
#640, 642-740, 761-763, 764-794 (1 door)
Methanol Powered: (M-1, M-6, M2136-M2147)
Natural Gas: (G2050-G2073, 3001-3041)
2801-2829, 1183-1184
I make a correction in the category of CNG: 3001-3048. There will probably be more CNG'S, I apologize that I'm not accurate. Thanks
Gman
Here is the Queens Surface Roster:
#24-54, 193-204, 205-213, 215-234, 236-248, 250-258, 270-274, 275-389
700-705, 900-954 (1 door)
Natural Gas: (500-511, 513-514, 537 painted)
(512, 515-536, 538-581 unpainted)
NOTE: #177-192 have been scrapped!)
Here is a list of buses that have padded seats:
RED: 193-204
ORANGE: 247 (back only!)
GRAY: 335-336, 338-340, 342-343, 345-362, 364, 366-389
When posting a roster, it is generally a good idea to include make and model, not just numbers. Numbers alone are practically meaningless.
-Hank
Don't worry, you will have the amke and model within a day or 2. I know what the buses look like but I'm not sure of the make and model, I have to find out and when I do, I'll post it right here. Thanks
Gman
Here is a list of Queens Surface buses that are "shrink-rapped" or decorated:
sides and back: 39, 42, 195 (back top only), 197-200, 201 (back top only), 202, 255, 298, 330, 341, 347, 351, 353, 360, 385, 387
back only: 27, 208, 294, 382, 384, 388, 902-904, 909, 912, 914-918, 920-921, 923-926, 927 (top part only), 929-931, 936, 941, 948-950, 954
239, 269, 601, 609, 1002 have been scrapped?
1183-1189 have been transfered? 1183-1184 to Triboro Coach?
1183-84 to Triboro.Same numbers in Triboro
Where are buses 1185-1189?
Where is #641?
I thought that bus was in a bad accident.Check on the side block where the fence is.There are a couple of buses in a corner near fishbowl 623. M3 is one of the buses
Where are the following buses:
214, 235, 249, 334?
Why aren't there any buses numbered from 259-269?
Where is #8538?
It had a fire. It's probably at E.N.Y base shop.
#8538 is at 207 Street Base Shop.
Where are buses 3901-3903?
3901,3903 are at Yukon. 3902 in storage at College Point yard.
those buses are not at yukon. we have 3964 and 3968. they are converted coaches. 3963 hardseater is at castleton. we also have 3909 another coach conversion.
3964 and 3968 are back in QV? Where's 3909? I think 3901 and 3903 are still at QV. 3902 is in college point storage.
According to the Bus Roster that was updated today, #3901-3903 are relocated to Yukon Bus Depot on Staten Island.
that is incorrect. 3909,3964,3967 and 3968 are the only 3900 at yukon.
3903 seen on Q46 today
Who's bus, which was 'too tall' to enter the garage, struck the door/frame, and leaked CNG, requireing a Haz-Mat response from the FDNY Monday morning?
-Hank
Who decides what bus goes to what depot and what bus gets scrapped?
For the make and model for Queens Surface buses go to www.motorbussociety.org then to bus links and then bus fans and organizations then totransit systems then to bus rosters on the web go to N-z Then New York and double click on Queens Surface Roster. It hasn't been updated yet, but just to tell you that 177-192 have been scrapped and 500-581 have not been included in the roster as of yet.
Hello, Bus buffs; how about these assignments? M96 out of Manhattanville, M103 out OF Westside and at least some of the M10 out of Hudson?
I was on # 114 on the Q74 on 2-9. The bus has been transfered from Yukon Depot.
#115 has arrived at Casey Stengel too.
I was on #1709 on the B-41 on 11/15/97. This bus was scrapped
How do I get to Coney Island from Kensington, Brooklyn on the B-16, B-35 and B-67 buses
If you can get to Prosepect Park West on the B67 ,at Bartel Pritchard Sq ,,catch the B68 Coney Island Av to Coney Island
or
the B35 to Church and Coney Island Av and take the B68 ---Easiest
B16 to 7th ave and 86th Street then the B64.
How do I get to Kings Plaza from Kensington on the B-16, B-35 and B-67?
Take the B35 or B67 to Flatbush Avenue, change there for B41 to Kings Plaza.
How do I get to JFK Airport from Fresh Meadows on the Q-17, Q-30 and Q-88 buses?
tale teh 17 to hillside ave and transfer to the 3.
17 or 30 to hillside and then the 3
88 to Queens Blvd, G or R to 71 av, E or F to Union Tpke, Q10 green bus to jfk
Where is #8697?
Where is #8119?
Where is #4742?
I heard that #4742 was in a fire so they scrapped it.
It is still on the property.It is outside the depot, on the side between the 2 elevated structures north of Fresh Pond Rd station
You can see the burn marks (in the rear) from a Metropolitan bound M. (It's the last bus before the tracks come together.) I don't know why they'd scrap it just for that minor damage.
I looked inside it. There is heavy interior damage.Part of the floor is also missing. I guess since they already have a plethora of buses,it didn't make sense to rebuild it.
Where is #334?
Gman,
334 had a fire in the harness this past summer. We're waiting on parts ... I think. Depending on the cost to fix it, it may be one of the coaches that we "retire".
The orig. 70 CNGs has been increased, and some will come with plastic seats for the local routes. Our maint. dept. is spending a lot of time deciding which coachs are worth pouring any more money into, e.g. the former "Bridgeports" are all going by by.
Mr t__:^)
CNG's now range from 500-581. 140 more CNG'S are on order. I thought that they were going to retire bus #277 but they didn't. I have 3 questions for you, Thurston:
1. #177-192 have been scrapped?
2. Where are the following buses: 214, 235, and 249?
3. How do these fires start? Is it related to the engine?
[CNG's now range from 500-581]
Correct, except the plastic seat version will be numbered 499 & down.
[I thought that they were going to retire bus #277 but they didn't]
It's currently in service, I think ...
[I have 3 questions for you, Thurston:]
[1. #177-192 have been scrapped?]
These were LEASED from Liberty Lines & all went back to them by 12/31
I've heard that 177 was going to be restored & saved. I saw her just before she went back, she looked pritty good.
[2. Where are the following buses: 214, 235, and 249?]
Retired, 214 is currently residing in Brooklyn waiting for a buyer.
[3. How do these fires start? Is it related to the engine?]
I don't know, I'm not in Maint, though I supervise 4 TWU guys.
Mr t__:^)
#277 is currently in service. I have more questions and they're about the CNG's:
1. When are the local buses going to be on the road?
2. They'll be numbered from 390-499?
3. But they're getting 140 buses?
4. GMC'S 24-54, 193-258, 270-274 are on their way out, meaning being replaced? If being replaced, when?
All the express CNG's are in b/c I saw 581 on QM3 yesterday.
[I have more questions and they're about the CNG's:
1. When are the local buses going to be on the road?]
Assume you're talking about the CNG plastic seat version ...
The TA will be getting the next batch of Orions, so we'll have to wait for a while.
[2. They'll be numbered from 390-499?
3. But they're getting 140 buses?]
I don't know that the OFFICIAL number we're going to get has been approved by everyone, so I'll not comment more ...
[4. GMC'S 24-54, 193-258, 270-274 are on their way out, meaning being replaced? If being replaced, when?]
- All the former Bridgeports are being retired (193 thru 204)
- dash 04s are also going (24 thru 42)(205 thru 243)
- there is another group that are candidates, but maint. is still working on the above group.
[All the express CNG's are in b/c I saw 581 on QM3 yesterday.]
What's a "b/c" ... 500 thru 581 are doing local or express ... many are in local service since the MCIs are doing fine thank you.
Disclaimer: I'm not a official spokesman for QSC, just a subway/trolley nut who is happy to pass along info to his friends.
Mr t__:^)
#222-238, 240-268, 270-292, 602-608, 610-652, 10001 are GMC'S
#1001, 1003-1015 are GMC'S also.
#701-716 are MCI'S
#5501-5544 are Orions.
#1150-1182 are TMC'S
5544 has been painted, but Green Lines hasn't been written in the front.
5514 and 5532 have been painted. More to come.
I saw #5507 painted. More to come.
#640-740, 761-763, M-1-M-6, M2136-2147, G2050-G2073, 2801-2829, 1183-1184 are GMC'S
#764-794 are MCI'S
#3001-3048 are Orions (CNG)
M2136-2147, G2050-G2073, 2801-2829, 1183-1184 are not GMC'S but TMC's.
Where is #8912?
What ever happened to these buses. I know Nashville (TN) and Memphis (TN) had a number of these and in my last visit to Memphis I did not see any of the AMC bus fleet. I do know that the bus drivers did not like them and the buses did rock at 35-40mph. One bus in particular rocked so much that the operator radioed a trouble call and then drove slower(around 20mph).
In a related question- I recall that the very first Goldfish bowls in NYC also rocked. Why do they rock and how was it solved in later models.
"Rocking" is usually a sign of "soft" air bags, or an imbalance in the air bag supply lines. Baltimore's '63 Fishtanks rocked until BTC figured out how to correct the problem. (An increase in the air bag pressure. Our Flxible Metros have a "rolling" problem, especially in hard turns. The NABI's don't seem to suffer from that. Another reason why buses are STILL an inferior form of mass transit.
Queens Transit had the first generation. How did they ride?
Seattle Metro had the "Generals" (circa 1980s)in diesel and trolley coach versions. (second generation)
The TCs appeared to be sluggish, but they took the hills rather well! In fact Seattle had both Generals and Flyers. The body shell was the same but the front end was different.
In Miami we had the second generation in both transit and express service. They were OK but nothing to brag about. They lasted a short period.
The AM-Generals (no "C" in the name) were interesting to say the least! What do you expect from the company that gave you the Gremlin!
Hey leave the gremsters alone they came from the same company that developed the Grand Cherokee, and the Nash Metropolitan. The AM-G's were not a great bus but better than the early predictions projected. Comparred to the Grumman 870 they were at least Oldsmobile's or better.
GMC Fish bowls had a sway bar installed front and rear. I do not know if it was on the first series but the second and third series did for sure. The sway bar links were and still are a maintenace issue. The rubber bushings did not last long and when they failed the created a loud hammering sound on every bump no matter how large or small. Some fleets solution to the link problem was to remove the sway bars, creating a soft rolling ride.
PS The old look bus was designed for leaf springs and in 1953 they were produced with air ride suspension, so they were much stronger than they needed to be. When the new look (fishbowl) was introduced in 1959 they reduced the structure and installed aluminum bulkeads. They underestimated how much strenghtn was needed and the second generation new look was beefed up and a recall was done on the first series to replace and fortify the bulkheads.
[Hey leave the gremsters alone they came from the same company that developed the Grand Cherokee, and the
Nash Metropolitan.]
Yes, but remember the Grand Cherokee (and any Chysler vehicle), as good as it is (even the new '99 model still lacks the refinement and build quality of the competition - in fact they'll probably never reach the Honda, Toyota levels of quality.
I never rode an AM(C) General, but it seems that most Transit agencies were not happy with them and did keep them in service as long as their GM and Flxible counterparts.
Wayne
I'm not sure about all cities and the AMG buses but in Pittsburgh, most drivers liked the coaches. Good speed and good handling in the snow.
At first they were not very well received but after the power steering was reconnected (disconnected prior to being put in service)they became rather popular with many drivers. The rattling windows were rather annoying however. They were one of the few models PAT had that could maintain interstate speeds with a crush load.
As far as the structural weakness of the frame on these coaches, it was mostly on the 40 foot coaches. The basic design of the coach was a Flyer and was set up for a T-drive configuration and US systems used V-drive at that time. That led to structural problems due to weight distributions and stress in areas that shouldn't have had it.
This can be seen today in the reverse with the Nova Classics that use T-drive. The Classic is basically a New Look which was designed for a V-drive. The T-drive Classics blow out drive shafts and rear radius rods constantly due to the weight and stress being in locations that the bus wasn't designed for.
RDChilds
I wonder if this strucural design was the cause of the Grumman buses being pulled from NYCTA and other cities as well.
No that is not the problem. The problem was with the A frames in the rear section. The steel used for these buses were not top quality and also the Grumman 870 was not designed for T-drive, but it was for V-drive. Plus our potholes supposedly tore them down, but ironically these buses survived in Newark for 18 years and will be retired next month for 500 new RTS's.
DaShawn
Many of the Newark 870's were MTA buses that were remanufactured to fix the A-Frame problem. MTA needed the equipment to run and could not wait for repairs. It was faster to have Blitz rebuild the new looks and send the 870's back.
The blitz remans that I rode were quite good but the MTA removed the AC in the rebuild, a move that was not popular with riders who by then was getting used to AC equipped RTS fleet. Did they reinstall AC ever on the new looks?
In 1984-85, NYC Transit took delivery of 350 remanufactured GMC buses from Blitz, culled from the TDH5303(AC), T6H5305A, T6H5309A, and T6H5310A series built between 1966 and 1973. Of these, 276 were designated for local service and were delivered without air conditioning. The other 74 were designated for express service and were delivered with air conditioning. In 1986-87, the non-air conditioned (local) buses were retrofitted, using a special NY City grant. They could be identified by the blister on the roof approximately at the center of the bus; it was smaller than the CNG tank cowling on today's Orions, for example. All of the Blitz buses also were given roof hatches, BTW.
David
What were the numbers for the remanuafactured ones (i know they were 5000s). Which were used for express?
Anybody have the original numbers for these Blitzes?
5528-5576 were used in yukon on express routes. they were previously 6900 series. also 5135-5158 which were 8800-8900 series 1968 buses.
all were removed from express service after a wheel came up through 5567 blinding apassenger. the bus driver right after that suffered a stroke and was confined to a nursing home
NJ Transit bought most of the NYCTA Grumman 870's becuase the TA did not want them> Remember Grumman had fixed them all, but the TA pulled them out of service again. Flxible bought them back, overhauled them and NJT bought most of them. I know a few went to Queen City Metro in Cincinnati also.
Some of the queen city metro buses just showed up in Racine wis lately but they never entered into service here. They are cropping in up in salvage yards and camper conversions as we speak
I would drive a AMC general bus before another RTS. Don't be so hard on AMC General. Give a RTS a test drive and then come back and tell us what you think. RTS suck! And NYCrappy should scrap them all. MTA is paying dearly for their mistakes trusting RTS so much.
Boston also had the AM General buses. The first set was delivered in 1976-77, coinciding with the arrival of the delivery of Flyer trackless trolleys to replace the so-called "Boston Elevated" coaches. The AM Generals had the Detroit Diesel 8V71 engines, which were a lot like the engines they put onto inter-city coaches. They lasted until about 1991-92 before being retired in favor of the RTSs we have in Boston now. In fact, Boston used to have 5 or 6 types of bus; now we're entirely RTS (that might change - the MBTA is considering ordering new coaches, including articulated buses from New Flyer and diesel/electric buses from Orion)
Boston also had the AM General buses. The first set was delivered in 1976-77, coinciding with the arrival of the delivery of Flyer trackless trolleys to replace the so-called "Boston Elevated" coaches. The AM Generals had the Detroit Diesel 8V71 engines, which were a lot like the engines they put onto inter-city coaches. They lasted until about 1991-92 before being retired in favor of the RTSs we have in Boston now. In fact, Boston used to have 5 or 6 types of bus; now we're entirely RTS (that might change - the MBTA is considering ordering new coaches, including articulated buses from New Flyer and diesel/electric buses from Orion)
pardon me for being a little baised towards the east new york depot, but i hope that they are not in charge of the 7,8,78, and 82 too long because I noticed lately that the driver arwe doing to these routes what was done on the B50. Late ,late late and bunched together. It seems that the drivers don't really want to be where they are at and don't seem to care at all. why does the issue of lateness come into play when many people mention the east new york depot?
The B82 is also a part route with Ulmer Park, they should provide more survice from that depot, which is much closer than East N.Y. depots. The B7 and B78 on the other hand, you have to admit there is more survice on tht bus since Flatbush had those routes. The B8, why did Ulmer Park discontinue to serve that route, that too was a shared route?
go by the old Lirr yard on atlantic avenue in brooklyn and look down. Is that a new depot or just temporary storage?
This is a Bus Storage Area
The buses are pending scrap also.
extend th B78 route up ralph avenue to willamsburg/bridge plaza on the ralph avenue section of the b40 while extending the B45 down the east new york ave. section to penn.ave or broadway junction. also,help the b6 route in the rush hours with the B11 to rockaway pkwy again. combine b74 and the b64 route,extend the b14 to the mail facility, send the b13 to starret city or east 105st station on the L line. send the 68 to coney island or kingsbourough college, the B7 to east 16th on the weekends if there is sufficient ridership to hold it,and do maybe send the b20 to jfk as well. these are just ideas that i brainstormed while sitting here. are anty of theses routes possible?
With the B78 taken over the remaining B40 route north of Ralph Ave can occur that adds additional service also the B15 From St. Johns Pl and Sutter Ave. B45 does provide direct service to Downtown Bklwn and Bway Junction via St. John's place and Liberty ave. The B6 can have at least a limited service (the first for a crosstown bus) to provide faster service. I don't see in the near future the return of the B11 in Canarsie, because there is already to many routes in that area. The b13 can not go to either areas if the bus is rerouted via Flatlands ave. and down the B83 route or have the B20 take over the B83 route prividing service between Ridgewood and East N.Y. or Starett City via Pennsylvania Ave. Then let the B82 take over the rest of the B83 route via Vandilla Ave. The B7 idea is does improve does long waits for the B82 bus. Since the B5/ B50 routes were combine, it has become more fustraiting waiting for bus to Gravesend or Starett City.
P.S. I will give you my theory on the B6 limited and other limited bus routes that I have though of on Thursday.
I know that the B45 go to Ralph Av. The only time I see the B45 going or coming from the junction is when it is on Eastern Pkwy going to the depot........
NYCT also has another future bus sign reading on Staten Island, it is the X13, this route is supposed to run along the X15 route but would go uptown to East Midtown. The readings say:
X13:EAST MIDTOWN
via WEST ST
via MADISON
X13:RICHMONDTOWN
X13:RICHMOND AV
via AR KILL RD
your readings are correct,,except
x13 ar kill rd
richmond av (note the order)
Wow, growing up on Staten Island the X13 was the X1,4,5,6. When they renumbered all the routes on staten island (S4 to S54, 103 ro 78/79) the X13 became three or four different bus routes. Now they'll bring it back (Still looking for the S4 though).
They changed the local numbers just for fun, I believe (OK, it organized service into north shore, south shore, Victory Blvd, and Cross-Island routes, but it was more confusing than helpful.) The express bus routes formerly known as the x9, x11, and x13 had so many different service patterns (the x11 had -6-) that the reorganization made sense, after the initial teething problems.
x13=x1, x2, x3, x9 (new x1 Super Express)
x11=x7, x8, x15 (route extended)
x9=x4, x5, x6
The Travis/downtown branch of the x10 was recently renumbered to x11.
The other changes, which took place from 1985-1989, with reroutes if they took place then, or later):
s1=s40/s90 (limited added 1998)
s2=s51 (since rerouted)
s3=s46/s96 (limited added 1998)
s4=s59 (rerouted)
s5 (eliminated prior to switch)
s6=s66
s7=s53
s62 (was Jewett Ave Shuttle, number assumed by s112)
s101=s42
s102=s44/s94 (Limited added 1996?)
s103=s78 (Tottenville Branch) s79 (SI Mall Branch) (since rerouted)
s104=s52 (s104 was itself rerouted earlier to cover the s5, which was eliminated) (since rerouted)
s106=s67
s107=s48/s98 (Limited added 1996?)
s108 (eliminated prior to switch)
s109=s72 (since eliminated)
s110=s54 (rerouted)
s111=s61/s91 (rerouted, limited added at later date)
s106/111=s57 (combined route existed before the switch)
s112=s62/92
s113=s74
s114 (I honestly can't remember if it existed)
s115=s55/s56 (clockwise and counterclockwise loops, since reouted)
s117=s76 (since rerouted to cover a portion of the eliminated s72)
-Hank
To answer the S114 it does not exist. I still have an old bus map that had the original routes.
I left out the s108, which followed what is now essentially the s76 route as far as Richmond Road and Rockland Avenue. It was eliminated around the same time as the s5.
-Hank
With this bus system, forget the S4 idea.
There are bus sign readings that do display the B6,B49 & B68 Limited stop service.
Of the three routs in question The only route that has a chance of getting Limited service is th B49. The reason why the other two don't are the B6 altorough there is enouph service to warrent Limited because of extreem conjustion on Aveune J and Flatalnds Ave the savings would be minimal. As for the B68 The reason is the same as the B6 Coney Islalnd ave is to conjusted. The reason why there are reading for the lines in question is because limited service was investergated on all three. And it ws desided not to impliment.
Of the three routes in question, the only route with a chance of
establishing limited service is the B49. The B6, although there
< don't are the B6 altorough there is enouph service to warrent>
is enough service to warrant
limited service, extreme congestion on Ave J and Flatlands Ave
would make for minimal time savings. With the B68, the reasoning
is similar, although the congestion is along Coney Island Ave.
There are readings for the lines in question
because limited service was investigated on all three, but not implemented.
Collection of mispelled words, and their correct spellings (caps):
desided=DECIDED
impliment=IMPLEMENT
investergated=INVESTIGATED
conjusted=CONGESTED
extreem=EXTREME
altorough=ALTHOUGH
warrent=WARRANT
enouph=ENOUGH
-Fed Up with Bad English
Here you go ,,I do not gve out the Sign reading numbers
B6 Limited
East N Y
New Lots Sta
B6 Limited
Bensonhurst
Harway Av
B6 Lmited
Rock Pky Sta
B6 Limited
Avenue J
Coney Is Av
B49 Limited
Manhatn Bch
Oriental Bl
B49 Limited
Avenue U
B49 Limited
Bed-Stuy
Fulton St
B49 Limited
Church Av
B68 Limited
Prtchrd SQ
via C I AV
B8 Limitd
Brightn Bch
West St
via C I AV
B8 Limited
Park Circle
B8 Lmited
AV U
The Spellings are as shown on the Readings
Memphis-TN still has AM Generals (ready for retirement) and Nashville just got rid of the last four of theirs. Covington-KY recently junked theirs except for one (not in revenue service).
Personally, I never liked these buses. In fact, I lump AM Generals with the ugly Gillig Phantoms (all pre-1998 models).
Cheers,
MIKE
I never cared for AM Generals. I remember when Queens/Steinway Transit had a few of them. WMATA had them also. I never did ride any AM Generals. In the new-look era GM fishbowls were my favorite and I could tolerate Flxibles, then of course the ADB's came along and the Grumman Flxible 870/Flxible Metro became my favorite and I learned to tolerate the RTS. In Montgomery County, Maryland the Ride-On system has lots of 30 and 35 ft Gillig Phantoms. I never did like these buses as I always thought they looked too utilitarian.
Don't forget the 110 SEPTA and 109 Seattle AMG tracklesses still going strong (at least most of SEPTA's are, with 40+ in storage). There are over 300 look-alike Flyer TT's in San Francisco and 60 in Dayton also.
What does anyone think of the Brill or Flyer trackless? (I forgot where they ran, but saw pictures of them) They were like a cross between the Flxible and GM "new look" (fishbowl)
Were any of these bodies used with diesel anywhere?
Personally I didn't think the AMG's were all that bad. Granted the looks of the bus stopped at the front door but they were actually better handling than the GM's and Flxibles of the era and were really good in handling snow and hills.
RDChilds
Signs:
B6 Limited
New Lots
B6 Limited
Rock Pky Sta
B6 Limited
Bensonhurst
B6 Limited will have the same route as its local service except that B6 limiteds will go on Ave K between Coney Isalnd Ave And Ocean Ave ( I recall that one of the ideas was to reroute the B6 on Ave K because of the congestion.)
Stops
Makes all local stops from Harway Ave to 86 St then:
Kings Hwy/Bay Pkwy - B82
65 Street/Bay Pkwy - N train
60 Street/Bay Pkwy - B9
McDonald Ave/Bay Pkwy - F train
Coney Island Ave/Bay Pkwy - B11 B68 D train (at E 16 St)
Ocean Ave/Bay Pkwy - B49
Brooklyn College (Campus Rd)/Bedford Ave
Flatbush Ave/Glenwood Rd - B11 B41
Nostrand Ave/Glenwood Rd - B44 Q35 2 & 5 trains
Utica Ave/Ave H - B46 B7 (at Kings Hwy)
Flatlands Ave/Ralph Ave - B78 B82
Remsem Ave/Flatlands Ave - B17
E 98 St/ Rockaway Pky - B17 B42 B82
Rockaway Pkwy/ Glenwood Rd - B17 B42 B60 B82 L train
Makes all local stops after Rockaway Pky
What do you think?
Also why is the New Lots Bound buses still have the old maps on the guide a rides, it has been like this since early December?
Is this Official info ??????
I have the Destination sign Readings as previously posted,,and their is no mention of a B6 Limited routing change,Officially or in the Agendas
Steve
In early 1998, the idea of rerouting the B6 B11 to Ave K was rumored about because of the congestion on Ave J. Second of all at one point the transportation authority had also propose that Ave J to become a one way street. The same idea propose on Church Ave. (If you have notice while Church Ave was under construction, it was a one way street, not only was it temporary but it was an experiment to control traffic in that area.) So the idea of the route , unknown to direction, to Ave.K was established, but there were a few problems such as the Ave J station and the neighborhood schools that is located in that area. as for the B6 limited, that idea was created by on what I know about the B6 and what major stops or routes should it go. Something I look doing on my off time. I also had a proposal for a B82 Limited, but I will tell you as early as Friday.
I almost forgot don't quote me on things. Sometimes I could be wrong and overhear on certain things, plus I place my opinion on some things. Also look at the situation. The only problem is the Ave J traffic, other than that it is okay. Routes to compare if I am correct about this the Q4 Q5 limiteds. They are rerouted on Liberty Ave to reduce the bus traffic already placed on Archer Ave.
They should do something with B46 limiteds north of Empire Blvd where Utica goes down to one lane each way. Since these people park their cars in stops (77 pct cops!) and let's not forget those dollar vans, the limiteds cant pass up the locals, which i believe is the whole idea. So you end up at Dekalb and Malcom X at the same time as your local leader that you should have passed way back down the line but couldnt because he couldnt pull into a local stop so you could go by. So you end up 10 minutes down at least, no help from dispatcher, and you arrive at the Bridge 10 down when you only have 4 recovery anyway, so you start 6 in the hole to begin with on the southbound.
Someone should really take a bat to the scheduling people. 54 minutes to go from Knapp St to the Bridge on the B44 in the middle of the day?? Christ.
You have a valid point about he B46 limited. But you incorrect about the B44 the runningtime ranges between 64-67 minutes in the midday. And it is about to change next pick.
One question, Why was the limited route goes only to Knapp St - Williamsburg only and local goes to Flushing Av/ Avenue U?
Can they reroute the B46 limited to Rochester Ave. I know it was done once.
When did they reroute the B46 limited on Rochester? It could probably work also reroute the southbound buses on Schenectady Av?
Why did they scrap this bus?
-14 years old
-a history of problems
-perhaps the last breakdown caused repairs that would be too costly for a 14 year old bus (i.e tranny)
There was an article in last Wednesday's Staten Island Advance that there are future express bus readings for the South Shore of Staten Island, I would like to know on where these buses were supposed to operate between & what streets, avenues or roads would they take if they were implementated today. Please post it on Bustalk.
Sincerely,
John
Unfortunatly I don't. I am not familar to Staten Island Express Bus Routes. Thanks for asking anyway. If you have any ideas or my opinion of local bus routes of Staten Island, let me know.
To Mr. Thompson,
I saw on the Bustalk a future B6 Limited Stop Bus Sign but I would like to know if you haapen to have other future bus sign readings that might be used for future use & if so, can you post it on the Bustalk.
I greatly appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Mike
I post it,,every month,,NYC TA Commitee Agendas
wher can you get/subscribe to these agendas?
I would like to know to!!!
I'll give you some destination sign that need correcting or improved
I'll send more when I have other ideas later on (some routes I have look a little further. The double vias, as I call it I see them in the bronx and Manhatan, why not Brooklyn)
B2 Midwood
Kngs Hwy Sta
via Ave R
B2 Kings Plz
via Ave R
B6 Midwood (partial route)
Coney Is Av
B6 Canarsie
Rock Pky Sta
B7 Midwood
Kngs Hwy Sta
via Saratoga
via Kings Hwy
B12 Bway Jct (partial route)
Alabama Av Sta
via ENY Ave
via Clarkson
B12 Leferts GDNS
Ocean Ave
via ENY Ave
via Clarkson
B13 Sprng Crk
Fountain Av
via Crescent
B35 Brownsville (They really have to fix this destination sign, I'm
M Gaston Blvd getting annoyed by how many ways they write this
via 39 St
via Church
B35 East Flatbush (Partial route)
Kings Hwy
via Church
B35 Sunset Park
1 Av
via 39 St
via Church Ave
B35 Kensington (Partial route)
McDonald Ave
via Church Ave
Here's 1 destination sign that they have to change:
Q58 41ST
FLUSHING
It should read:
Q58 41 Ave
Main ST
Flushing
The B35 destination sign is a problem. Some of the buses have E. Fltbush-M. Gaston and then some have Brownsville-M.Gaston. The Brownsville-M.Gaston is correct
I have 2 sets of signs,,from 1998
The signs I have are
East Flatbush
M Gaston Bl
Sunset Park
1 Av
39 st=5 Av
McDonald Av
E Flatbush
Rockaway Av
Vua Chrch
Kings Hwy
Please verify ---1 show the same readings on both sets of notes===these are OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS
You are correct although some of the buses do have Brownsville-M.Gaston Blvd.
Thanks B14 Mike
No problem. Always glad to help wherever I can.
The destination signs are too confusing it needs to be exact
Bently
I am writing them exactly the way I have them on the Documents
without the Codes
Wednesday's NY Post (page 22) has a small article describing the possible divison of the M10 into two routes. One will run from Penn Station to 159 Street and the other will run from Columbus Circle to Battery park City. The expected implemantaion cost is $700,000. THis is in an effort to minimize delays caused by the length of the current route.
It also says additionlly that the M1,15, and 22 will permanently divert around Foley Sqaure due to security risks at the courthouses.
Why can't they just use my M18 theory. Extend the M18 to Battery Park, making local service, while the M10 provide limited service. It would provide extra service on 7 & 8 Aves plus there will be limited service, which is not available on that route
I will be giving more details later today
North Section bet 31 and 159 -----M10
SOuth Section bet 66 and Battery is M20
I have the new Agenda,,I will adding details
This is the Official Documentation
Would there be a double-transfer established, since they are splitting a continuous route?
-Hank
WANTEd:
First MaBSTOA patch (round; black with silver letters) this was used on the green uniforms in the early 1960s.
Also, the same for NYCTA.
{PS ... Sorry. I know this is not the "Classifieds Ads".
Perhaps someone can help.}
Thanks
WANTEd:
First MaBSTOA patch (round; black with silver letters) this was used on the green uniforms in the early 1960s.
Also, the same for NYCTA.
{PS ... Sorry. I know this is not the "Classified Ads".
Perhaps someone can help.}
Thanks
As many of you may know the Orion CNG's have an additional 6,000 lbs on the roof. This has had a bad effect on allowed standees.
What has been your experience with a bus that bypass your stop because it's full & nobody was going to exit ?
Disclaimer: I don't work for the TA or DOT and not in the Transportation dept of my co ... just a little noisy about this.
Mr t__:^)
Whatever happened to ORION buses #93019-93096?
simple they are now 119-196.
All of the Orions with 5-digit fleet numbers (93XXX) were renumbered into the 100 series.
I read in the Staten Island Transit Needs Assessment Study that NYCT did back in 1996 & in the Park-n-Ride section under College of Staten Island, NYCT was looking at new direct bus service between the College of SI & Brooklyn. I would like to know if you have heard anything about this new route, if so, can you post it on the bustalk.
Also, I would like to know if you have heard anything about NYCT extending a bus route between Staten Island & NJ Transit's Hudson/Bergen light rail line in Bayonne in early 2000, if so, can you post that on bustalk.
Sincerely,
Mike
I have not heard anything such as this. Since I volunteer with communitee groups, research on bus study, look at current bus routes, and sometimes the newspapers that transit workers get. I often hear things about these, but in terms of Staten Island. I have problems about this because of three factors. I have not look into the Staten Island buses closely. 2) I have been in S.I. or take close attention to any community porposals in there. 3)Overall it takes time to understand the Bus series system that was establish. So right now I am concetraiting on Brooklyn. (I mispelled something [That is for my translator friend]) I'll look into it, keep in touch and thank you for asking me these questions. I like to contribute to the bus system at any possible way.
Bentley Thompson
Here in Chicago, one of the television stations is doing a so-called expose' (sorry, I don't know how to get an accent mark over the last 'e') on how several suburban school districts have totally or partially eliminated district-financed busing, forcing many children to ride the Pace (suburban transit) buses to school.
The alleged scandal in this, which the announcer portrays with constant righteous indignation throughout the segment, is that since the Pace buses are not built to the rigorous standards of school buses, "our" children (ever notice that children, especially when in danger, are always "our" children?) are in mortal danger every day they ride these death traps.
Considering Pace is relatively well-funded and has a relatively new fleet of buses, considering thousands of people ride these buses every day, and considering that children would be riding these buses when they are not traveling to or from school, I think this is a tempest in a teapot, not to mind that it portrays transit buses as inherently unsafe -- "if they aren't safe for my children to ride on, why are they safe for me?"
What do you think? Anyone else out there seen this ongoing segment on television?
I e-mailed NBC 5 when I saw the teaser for the strory and asked them not to fall into the trap that the school buses are safer than transit buses.
Transit buses are stronger, have better brakes, and are more durrable than school buses. School buses are inexpensive units designed to run a few miles a day in rural areas. The body on truck chasis construction comes appart in accidents (ie. METRA Train vs School Bus) putting the occupants at risk.
Trucks have protection from under running in rear accidents School buses have none Many people are killed and injured running under school buses. Transit buses are drop tesed and side impact tested at Altoona PA under mandated Federal tests.
When passenger miles are studied mass transit is the safest mode of transportation, school buses are very close.
The only mode that has a better safety record is pipeline but most people are not comfortable traveling that way.
Oh last night they had a camera on a bus try putting a camera on a yellow school bus and see what you find.
To me, school buses seem unsafe. There are probably lots of people on this site who know more about this than I do, but school buses seem top heavy -- like they would be easy to roll. All that air under the chassis makes the whole thing look flimsy.
Moreover, the lack of seat belts bothers me -- I don't let my kids ride in our car without them, so why on a bus? A transit bus doesn't have seatbelts either, but nothing short of an 18 wheeler is going to do it much damage on local streets.
TV is always going for the "Danger is Everywhere" story, especially during "Sweeps" months. This falls into the catagory. In any other month of the year, betcha the story wouldn't run.
They're everywhere!! My daughter informed me this evening that one of the Baltimore stations carried a similar story.
Remember - If it's a sweeps month, wierd ALWAYS wins!
I agree completely with that TV stations will use anything to get rating points and buses (public/school transit) is an easy target.
Where I'm at, all the stations are hammering the local transit system about unsafe driving practices. I'd like to see them do a story on the unsafe driving of the public in general or better yet on the total stupidity of the pedestrians but we all know that you can't bite at the veiwing public if you want rating points.
RDChilds
Remember the conversation about why you can't charter a city bus. The yellow bus industry also wants to shut the transit agancies out of student transportation.
If you take the kids off city buses or subways you increase the costs to the taxpayers. The private operators need to get paid to buy new equipment, and to operate them. The transit agengy looses the revenue so they need more public support to provide service and we all pay twice. Not very effecient. (We actually pay 3 times we support the cars so not everyone needs transit.)
I'd think that the transit buses would be safer than the typical school bus. Transit buses are built to carry large loads on bad streets - and I believe they're uni-body. School buses on the other hand are body and frame construction (a bus body on a truck chassis) and I can't imagine it being very strong. My guess is that people are complaining simply because school buses are not being used - and of course the TV station wants the ratings.
174 seen today on the Q74 with the ad scraped off the back revealing the old 'M' logo. Must be getting prepped for paint like most of the other Orions at Casey Stengel.
You can always tell the new paint jobs, not just by the paint , but also by the new numbers they affix to them are thinner than the original numbers they were delivered with.
Can Someone tell me where in the world does this bus goes? Who owns it and how did it came into existance? I am very confused about this route since I lately see signs for that route. So far the 100 series has been owned to Command Buses (B100, 103, 104), is it also own by someone else?
Its ooperated by a Hasidic Jew outfit. It must be legit because they have the B110 decal on the signs along Lee Avenue and Bedford In Williamsburg. I believe it's a route that runs from Williamsburg to Borough park - the two highly concentrated Hasidic Jew areas in Brooklyn.
Saw them using some old Grumman 870s I think with roll signs
Roughly runs from 49 and 18 Av Boro Park to Williamsburg Driggs Street
If you need more details,,let me know
Steve
It's on the DOT's express bus map, if you can find that anywhere. (I was given one a couple of years ago by a fellow transit fan)
I would like to know how many express route exist in NYC and named them and who they belong to.
Well, let's see....
There's the x1,x2,x3,x4,x5,x6,x7,x8,x9,x10,x11,x12,x14,x15,x16,x17,x18,x19,x20, and x31 (all to Manhattan)all run by the TA on Staten Island.
There's the x32 (Queens-Bronx) and x68 in Queens (to Manhattan), TA.
x27,x28, and x29 in Brooklyn (to Manhattan), TA.
x25, x90, x92 in Manhattan, TA.
BxM1, BxM2, BxM3, BxM4A, BxM4B, BxM11, BxM18 Liberty Lines Express (Bronx-Manhattan)
BxM7, BxM7A, BxM7B, BxM9, BxM10 New York Bus Service (Bronx-Manhattan)
B103 (Canarsie-Downtown Brooklyn) BM1, BM2, BM3, BM4 (Manhattan-Brooklyn) BMJ1, BMJ2 (Brooklyn-Medowlands) BQ5, BQ10, BQ11 (Brooklyn-Aquaduct/Belmont) BQ12 (Brooklyn-Shea Stadium) BQM1 (Brooklyn/Queens-Manhattan) BW4 (Brooklyn-Yonkers (Racetrack)) All Command Bus.
Q10A (Airport Express) QM15, QM16, QM17, QM18, QM23 (Queens-Manhattan) Green Bus
Q53 (Rockaways-Woodside) QM10, QM11, QM12, QM22, QM24 (Queens-Manhattan) Triboro Coach
QM1, QM1A, QM2, QM2A, QM3, QM4 (Queens-Manhattan) Queens Surface
QM21 (Queens-Manhattan) Jamacia Buses
Also the 122, 144, and 55S From New Jersey to Staten Island.
-Hank
X63 from Jamaica
X64 from Jamaica
X51 From flushing
Does any have EXACT routing details on these three routes,,in Both Directions,,including Turnaround Routings at either end
Thank you
Steve
Well, the 55s only runs to Richmond Ave and Forest Ave. The 144 is Richmond Ave to Morningstar Rd to the Bayonne Bridge to NJ. 122 is Hylan Blvd/Forest Ave route. I don't know any more exacts.
-Hank
who is operating these lines,,was originally operated,,a few years ago,,by DROGIN
Steve
red and tan.
Thank you
At last check, it was CoachUSA, which owns Red & Tan...
-Hank
You forgot BxM18. I would like to know also, why some of these routes are not posted on bus stops. I a m very surprise that some of these command bus routes exist in Brooklyn?
This route was established in 1972, primarily to fill a need among basically Chassidic Jews(andotherOrthodox) to travel in a non-threatening atmosphere. On this route, you will find men riding among men ;women ride among women. Never the twain shall meet. While this apparently is sexist,if not outright discriminatory, this practice will always exist. Try it. The ride costs only$2.00 each way. It takes approx. 35 minutes, depending on traffic. If you bring a member of the opposite gender, he/she will sit apart from you, as previously described herein.Please caontact me for further information.
For those interested parties
B110 Williamsburg
to Boro Park
Southbound from Taylor And Lee,via R on Taylor,,Middleton St,Wallabout St,Kent Av,Williamsburg Street West,Brooklyn Queens Expwy (see alternate),Gowanus Expwy,Prospect Expwy,10 Av,20 St,,McDonald Av,Ft Hamilton Pkwy,50 St to stand at 18 Av
Northbound via 50 St,18 Av,49 St,Ft Hamilton Parkway,Caton Av,McDonald Av,Terrace Place,11 Av,18 St,Prospect Exwp,BQE,Flushing Av Exit ,Classon Av,Rutledge St,Bedford Av,Taylor St,,to Stand
BQE Alternate
SB via Williamsburg West,Park Av,Washington Av,Underhill Av,Atlantic Av,Vanderbilt Av,Grand Army Plaza,Prospecit Park West,Bartel Pritchard Sq,Prospect park West,20 St to McDonald A
NB via 20 St,,Prosepct Park West,15 St,Union St,Grand Army Plaza,Vanderblt av,Lafeyette Av,Classon Av
Dear all, I left out an important detail. THIS ROUTE DOES NOT OPERATE ON THE SABBATH OR ANY MAJOR JEWISH HOLIDAY. You can consult a Hebrew calendar for further info. Servive ceases one to two hours PRIOR TO SUNDOWN.
I saw two fishbowls yesterday (2/11/1999) at PS248 as training buses. There was a GM and a Flxible. The Flxible had a roof A/C while the GM had the A/C over the rear window. Both were painted White.
PS 248 is located at Avenue U at 13th Street(Corner of 86th Street). I was at 248 for training.
Oh, over there with the R-16. Maybe they're turning that into a museum ;-)
The TA does have a few of them scattered around (in addition to the museum fleet). FYI- The fishbowl term is a nickname given to the GM new-look buses because of their large bulging windshields. New look is a term used for both GM and Flxible buses built from 1859 to approx 1976/77.
I've seen a Fishbowl with a bunch of fareboxes in it (for training), and a RTS in orange that is a rolling MetroCard sales station.
Mr t__:^)
At lunch today I saw a flexible/fishbowl, it was white, said "training" on the side, with some japanise/chinese characters on the back. Couldn't see any s/n or other identifing marking. Location: Linden Place, just East of Whitestone Expressway.
The guy at the wheel was having trouble so I guess he was a trainee.
Mr t__:^)
I think I remember seeing a white training Flxible in Queens alo. It was at least a year ago and I'm pretty sure this was an ex-NJ Transit bus - one from that huge 1976 order purchased when they were still TNJ - Transport of New Jersey. Those buses were incredibly fast in their days.
Wayne, The Flxible logo was right there in the front, just under the fishbowl.
Guess the bus nut bug must have gotten me ... never used to pay attention to such things ... my two lunch mates gave me a strange look when I said "oh look ..."
Mr t__:^)
I know what you mean Thurston. My friends think I'm totally gone - trains, subways, buses and I work with computers.
Wayne
Don't feel bad guys because I get the same thing here at work. I work in video/television production and I am a certified Bus/Train nut also.
Peace,
DaShawn
The Flxibles introduced the now standard sloped rear bumper.
Does anyone know if there will be any fantrips on the GMC Fishbowl/New Look with the "Batwings/Bus-O-Rama". That 1966 bus looks like it's in beautiful condition (from the picture on the bus website). I **know** that they must run that bus every now and then (as like the other museum buses).
Cheers,
MIKE
The following 500 series buses have their original number scheme (meaning that they haven't been painted yet):
510, 516-525, 527-532, 534, 536-537, 539-549, 564, 567, 569, 573-574, 576
Any changes, please let me know via email.
535 and 565 have "white" wheels.
8939-8978 are getting repainted. I saw 8963 and 8978 with their new look.
What kind of "new look"? Please explain....this sounds exciting!
Cheers,
MIKE
If they're getting painted then they'll have what I think is the worst paint scheme I've ever seen. It will still have the current MTA/NYCT decals, but now when NYCT paints a bus - the top portion of the door frames, the outline of the opening portion of the drivers' window and the vertical window post at the rear all get painted white. They used to get painted black and new RTS are delivered with them black.
I was reading a thread in the Subway Talk chatroom and it reminded me of something. What a weird topic. How many of you had to drive with (or sit next to) a very very smelly passenger? So smelly that you became neauseated.
Yes, it is probably improper of me to talk this way (as we all have "bad" days from time to time) but I wanted to mention about a unusual situation that happened on a Bee Line bus up in Westchester County. I was riding a handsome new Orion bus on route #14-Peeksill from White Plains to Peek. A passenger boarded in Ossining and she sat right next to me. She hadn't bathed in weeks and was probably wearing the same clothing for the same amount of time. Her shirt looked rather crusty. At first, I really felt sorry for her but it started to become something physical. I couldn't hold my breath any longer so I moved to the back of the bus. No help- as the body odor had traveled the entire legnth of the bus. Several passengers deboarded in a rural area of the county, unable to tolerate the odor. One passenger next to me said she'll just wait 60 minutes for the next bus to Peek. Guys, it was that bad. But I stuck it out and politely exited the bus at the last stop where she too got off.
Any other such horror stories out there?
Cheers,
MIKE
This story isn't as horrific as yours but I have 1 to tell. A guy got on the Q104 bus at 21 St and Broadway and he was going to 48 St and Queens Blvd. The bus driver told the smelly man if you don't clean yourself up, I'm not going to pick you up anymore because you stink. He got on the next day, and the driver stopped the bus and said that you'll never ride my bus again becuase of your odor. I haven't seen the guy since and this took place last spring.
This is 1 story a bus driver told me:
A blind lady with a dog was waiting for the Q60. The dog "had to go (#2). She picked up the (#2) and placed "it" in her pocket because the bus arrived. Nothing the driver to do but to deal with it because she had a disability.
Once trapped on B6 standing next to man that stunk to hell and back. It was a rainy winter day in stuffy bus. I think they had to burn the bus afterwards it stank so bad. These people have to know that they stink that much.
Where are buses 1185-1189?
Are the following buses retired: 239, 269, 601, 609, and 1002?
1 would think that 601 is in Rockaway but I haven't seen that bus in ages.
About a year ago - two or three of GBL's 1100's were transferred to Jamaica Buses, and I belived the were renumbered. GBL also rec'd a couple of older RTS's from Command.
Those guys are just one big happy family, Cooper that is.
Mr t__:^)
Willaim Cooper. Is he still running that oufit???
Jamaica TMC 3550 is ex Green-it has the vertical tail lights.
Is there a bus #2800?
Most of these buses are Orions:
Here is the numbered roster:
100-286 CNG'S
501-559 35 Ft Orions
592-655 Orions
656-667 CNG'S
705-709 are like Varsity #902
2000 series are mini-vans
*These buses, I doubt that they're still around:
PA953-PA1033 Grumann
Those 900-1000 series buses were actually Flxible Metro's.
Please specify which location each type is assigned to. Thanks.
I have seen a few RTS's they got off the TA. I had the numbers around here somewhere. I believe they were all 1981-82s
What about the Gillig Phantoms???
Where's the expected delivery for Jamaica, 5095-5119? I know 5096 is in.
I have 1 question: 9140-9149, these buses sound like the Natural Gas Buses. Are they CNG without the hoof, hybrid or alternate fuel?
No their not CNG's - NYCT get's their buses with the Detroit Diesel Series 50 4-cylinder diesel engine, but 9140-9149 has the Cummins M11 6-cylinder engine. It does sound different - and they vibrate a lot also. NJ Transit's latest Flxible Metro's and all of their RTS's have the Cummins M11 engine. This is the new engine at Cummins as the Series 50/60 are the new engines at Detroit Diesel. I guess it's just and experiment as NYCT has been using Detroit Diesel engines from the beginning of time.
Wayne
New Jersey Transit does not use the M11 engine, they use the C 8.3 engine which is now called the ISC.
DaShawn
BUS TOPICS
X11 Route Extension
Via Victory Blvd to the Current Terminal of the s62/S92 ---off Street Turnaround,,West of Wild Av,near Con Edison and the Visy Paper Plant
Effective March 1999
____________________________________________________
M1 M15 M22 Foley Square Area==Due to Security Concerns,,,,Implementation early 1999
In Sept 1998 ,Pearl St was closed to all traffic bet Park Row and Foley Square,,.Pearl Street was narrowed ,,made 1 way westbound bet St James Place and Park Row.
M1 Northbound via North on Church Street,East on Worth Street,North on Centre Street,and Regular
..Southbound M1 Service ,,unaffected
N15 City Hall Branch ---via Park Row between Chatham Square and City Hall
M15 South Ferry Branch==Southbound via South on Allen Street,South on Pike Street,,Southwest on Madison Street,,South on St James Place,and SOuth on Pearl Street.
Nouthbound Path not subject to detour
M22 Westbound ---via Southwest on Madison St,North on Pike St,,southwest on East Broadway ,West On Worth Street,South on Lafeyette
.Eastbound path not effected
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++M10 Division into 2 Overlapping Routes
2 Routes
Between 159 and 31 st/Penn Station
Between Lincoln Center/66 St and Battery Park City
BUS TOPICS
X11 Route Extension
Via Victory Blvd to the Current Terminal of the s62/S92 ---off Street Turnaround,,West of Wild Av,near Con Edison and the Visy Paper Plant
Effective March 1999
____________________________________________________
M1 M15 M22 Foley Square Area==Due to Security Concerns,,,,Implementation early 1999
In Sept 1998 ,Pearl St was closed to all traffic bet Park Row and Foley Square,,.Pearl Street was narrowed ,,made 1 way westbound bet St James Place and Park Row.
M1 Northbound via North on Church Street,East on Worth Street,North on Centre Street,and Regular
..Southbound M1 Service ,,unaffected
N15 City Hall Branch ---via Park Row between Chatham Square and City Hall
M15 South Ferry Branch==Southbound via South on Allen Street,South on Pike Street,,Southwest on Madison Street,,South on St James Place,and SOuth on Pearl Street.
Nouthbound Path not subject to detour
M22 Westbound ---via Southwest on Madison St,North on Pike St,,southwest on East Broadway ,West On Worth Street,South on Lafeyette
.Eastbound path not effected
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++M10 Division into 2 Overlapping Routes
2 Routes
Between 159 and 31 st/Penn Station
Between Lincoln Center/66 St and Battery Park City
Alternatives is Both Routes Terminate at Columbus Circle
---Rejected due to Bus Origin and Destination Study conducted during 1996
M10---159 and 31 Street
M20---Lincoln Ctr 66 st to Battery Park City
The M20 is also being evaluation for future
Extension to South Ferry
M10
Southbound from DOuglas at West 159 st via Douglas Blvd,Central Park West,W 63 Street,South on COlumbus Avenue ,around Columbus Circle,South on Broadway ,SOuth on 7 Avenue.Last Stop on 7 Av,at 34 Street.Layover on 7 Av,at 31 Street
Northbound ,first Stop on 8 Av at 31 street,,North on Eigth Avenue,,Around Columbus Circle ,North on Central Park West,No rth on Douglas Blvd,,to the Last Stop on Douglas ,near Side of West 158 St
Weekday Service NB==545 AM to 130 AM,Weekends --SB ---530 AM to 1230
,,NB 630AM to 0130 AM
Frequency Same as current M10 Bus
M20
Southbound
1st SB trip would be on Broadway ,far Side of 63 street,Opp Lincoln Center,,Via South On Broadway ,Around Columbus Circle, South on Broadway ,South on 7 Avenue, South on Varick Street,South on West Broadwy ,West on Vessey St,,South on West St,West on Thames St,,North on South End Av,,layover far side of Albany Street.
Northbound
South End Av at Albany St via North on South End av,East On Liberty St,North on West St,East on Spring St,North on Hudson St,NOrth on Eight Av,around Circle,North on Central Park West,West on W66 St,South on Columbus Av to Broadway ,,Last Stop would be on Broadwaymmfar side of West 64 Street,,,,Layover on Broadway,,Near side of 63 Street
Service Monday to Friday 600 AM to 1230 Am
Weekend Service 630 AM to 1230 AM
Frequencies
1.5 MIn during Rush Houors
1.5 MIn during the Base Period
20 min after 9 PM
Saturdays
every 15 min bet 8 am and 9 PM
every 20 min berfore and after this period
Sundays
every 15 min bet 9 AM and 9 PM
every 20 min before and after this period
No Authorization Date Given as of yet
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sundays
B41 B44 B46 Limited Stop Service
Effective May 1999
B41 NB bet 12 noon and 8 PM
sB from 1 PM to 9 PM
B44 NB from 9 AM to 7 PM
SB from 10 AM to 8 PM
B46 NB from 10 AM to 8 PM
SB from 11 AM to 9 PM
Discussion of SIR Afternoon Peak Express Train in Subtalk
This is OFFICIAL MATERIAL
Steve
My six year old is getting a little old to board for free, and sometimes my kids like to ride the bus rather than walk 20 mintues to school just because they like buses. Do my children qualify for a student Metrocard? We live about 4,500 feet from the school (at right angles along the street, not as the crow flies). What is the distance at which it is allowed?
Check with the school. They do have studfent MetroCards for elementary school children.
Your child would qualify for a half-fare bus metrocard.
This is the scheme for issuing student metrocards: 1/2 mile to 1 1/2 miles away - half fare bus metrocard(not good for transfer to subway). 1 1/2 miles or more, regular student metrocard.
Both metrocards carry transfer privilages, and can be used up to three times w/ transfers each school day.
Since the B49 & B68 Limited Stop are on the bus desination signs, I would like to know if you happen to know about these future limited stops on these two routes, if so, can you post the information on bustalk on where the limited stop & local routes would operate between on the B49 & B68 like you did with the B6 Limited stop route.
Sincerely,
Mike
To Brentley,
I heard from a friend but didn't get the whole information that the B13 & B18 & also the B40 & B78 routes would merge, if you haapen to know anything about this, can you post the describition of these routes being merged on the bustalk.
I appreciate it.
Sincerely,
John
I heard about that too, from a recent Bus talk message about the B40 & B78 buses. I responded to that person also about it and also gave him an idea about the B13 & B18 busses merger. First the B40 & B78 merger. I don't know completely if the idea is in the works but I do know that the B45 is also involved. The merger of the B40 and B78 would eliminate the B40 North of St. Johns and allow one bus route to run via Ralph Ave. It would also extend the B45 to Bway Junction via the remaining B40 route east of Ralph/St. Johns Pl. It woulg give Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Brownsvillle, and Ocean Hill residents a direct route to Kings Plaza. Also customers in Willamsburg and Kings Plaza another option to use instead of the B46. Problem the scheduling of the B40 and B78 are totally different. B40 runs all times but the B78 runs all day until 9:30p. The good news is that the buses are runed by the ENY depots (or it can mean Bad news?)
The route (I name it the B79) will run like this.
B79 Southbound: the same as the B40 southbound Between Bridge Plaza and St. Johns Pl. then continues on Ralph, turns right on Sutter, a left on E 98 St, and a right on Rutland, then follows the original southbound route of the B78.
Northbound: Same as the B78 Northbound route, until E 98 St and Ralph, turn right on Ralph and head north to St. Johns Place, follows the same route as the Northbound B40 route.
B79 Williamsburg
Bridge Plaza
via Ralph
B79 Kings Plz
Ave U
via Ralph
The B13 & B18 has a problem. Two reasons: the route splits between Cypress and Gates. The B13 goes on Cypress Hill Street/ Fresh Pond Rd while the B18 goes on Cypress Ave. Which split route do you elimiate leads to 2nd problem. The schedules, the B13 runs every 10 - 20 minutes and have passengers, and the B18 running every 30 minutes, have little passengers, who ride as far as Flushing Ave (northbound). (The southbound buses have passengers coming from Graham Ave). The B18 needs some improvement North of Flushing Ave first before anything. The route probably was meant for the industrial workers, from before. It does not have a good use now in that area or it needs to run on an attractive Street. The merger is a good ide because if you look at it completly the B18 is the secondary route of the B13, but the two problems has to be solved.
Where is bus #724?
I saw that bus some time ago in the depot destroyed. The top of the bus was sheared off, like it went thru an underpass with insufficient clearance.
Here is a list of former QV buses:
GMC 1982/1983 #1721, 1730-1731, (1736, 1760-1762, 1765-1766, 1791,1823,1826 coach seats), 2248-2279, 2580, 2584-2586, 2603, 2644, 2663
GMC 1983/1984 #3217-3258, 3271-3272
GMC 1984/1985 #3638-3639, 3641
GMC 1986/1987 #3900-3904, 3908, 3943-3945, 3950, 3964-3968
Here is a list of former Jamaica buses (MTA):
GMC 1982/1983 #1738, 1746-1750, 1752-1756, 1758-1759, 1823, 1826,(coach seats), 2248-2273, 2580, 2585-2586
GMC 1986/1987 #3911-3912, 3917, 3920, 3926-3932, 3937
* NOTE: The same buses that were in QV were transfered to JAM for a short time.
You Should check the MTA Roster because the 1986/87 RTS's are not the 3900's, they are 4300-4599, which are the last of the GMC built RTS 06's.
DaShawn.
The TA buses 4600-4900 are the GMC/TMC order. The frames and parts were assembled by GMC, and the final assembly was done by TMC. These buses have a stering wheel horn that reads GMC, have a GMC RTS-II plate on the fire extinguisher door near the driver, and a TMC serial plate over the driver.
Slight correction: Those 1987 TMC RTS are 4600-4899. 4900 is the first of the 1999 Nova RTS.
Orions #457 and 458 were the only former Orions at Casey Stengel Depot.
Are you saying that these buses were scrapped??? I can't imagine unless something happened to them as they're only 4 years old. BTW-457 & 458 were originally assigned to Castleton.
The following buses were formely out of Fresh Pond Depot:
GMC 1981/1982 #1540
GMC 1982/1983 #2667, 2676-2685,
GMC 1984/1985 #3660-3676
Fresh Pond didn't have the following: 2667,2677,2679,2680,2682,2684.
i drove those buses when they were new at the old 132nd st depot in harlem,
I also remember when these buses were new (even though I just starting high school), bur I had forgotten that OTS had the high 2600 & 2700's. I remember that HUD had 2580 and most of the 2600's.
Wayne
QV and JAM had 2580, 2584-2586, 2603, 2644, 2663. HUD had 2599-2602, 2606-2617. Fresh Pond had 2604 and 2605.
At one time HUD also had 2604 and 2605, but I never seen them at Fresh Pond.
DaShawn
2605 was at FreshPond when they first started getting extra buses in 1997.The others they received were:2678,2681,2683,2685,1662,1714,1540.
I remember seeing #2667 on the Q58 Route for a very short time. They did have #2678 because I was on that bus going to Main St Flushing.
The following buses were formally out of Hudson Pier Depot:
GMC 1982/1983 #2599-2602, 2606-2617, 2646,
GMC 1984/1985 #3465-3491, 3577-3602, 3605-3608
GMC 1987/1988 #4804-4816
The following buses were buses that I saw and are now scrap:
GMC 1981/1982 #1462 (Stengel) (BO)
GMC 1982/1983 #1709 (Stengel) (BO) Fresh Pond, 1758 (Jamaica)
1765 (QV), 2615 (Hudson), 2644 (QV)
GMC 1983/1984 #3666 (Fresh Pond)
GMC 1984/1985 #3904 (QV), 3961 (QV),
GMC 1987/1988 #4593 (Jamaica), 4599 (Jamaica), 4742 (Fresh Pond)
BO- Before Orions
Does the TA have any RTS's left somewhere that have the original white interiors that have not been painted over???? These are the way all pre-1986 RTS's should look like.
I seriously doubt it. Maybe they'll will decide retain one of the older RTS's for the museum fleet.
1201 as been designated for this purpose and is currently if not already been refurbished to its original state.
According the the online roster, 1981 RTS 1468 is in the Museum Fleet, stored @ Crosstown Storage Yard, and 1201 is stored at Jackie Gleason Depot. 1201 would be the first NYCTA RTS.
-Hank
I saw RTS#3504 on BX 5 line last week and came from Gun Hill Depot. I look up the list of roster from each depot and i didn't find #3504.
Where is bus #267?
I found RTS#3504 on the roster list but it said it scrapped at Canlton Ave Storage Yard. This is some kind of mistaken guys and i really saw RTS#3504 on BX4 line at westchaster ave. My mistake is not BX5 is BX4. I will check every bus number and i will give you information soon.
I think you are right about errors in the current bus roster that was updated today, because #8088 out of Mother Hale has had it's floor replaced and is back in service. Saw it today on the M7 out of Union Square at about 3:30pm.
DaShawn
I think hee updates information as he recieves it. There was an update a few weeks ago, well after all the MCIs were in service, that only listed 1/2 of them as delivered (and to the wrong depot, at that!) Give the guy a break...
-Hank
Where is the musuem bus fleet? Perhaps the TA should lobby (or solicit a rich donor) to build a bus/tolley garage on one of the vacant/parking lots near the transit museum. Plenty of room near there.
2326 and 2486 were in their original white interior paint scheme.They were in service out of E.N.Y depot until being scrapped recently. 2326 is at the Herkimer storage facility, under the L line between Broadway Junction and Atlantic ave. 2486 was sent to Carlton storage facility located at Atlantic ave and Carlton ave adjacent to the LIRR tracks.
rts #3021 and 4160 still have their original scheme. All the others with their original scheme either have been painted or scrapped.
There wre three types of window hardware.
the first ,original type was a metal clasp midway on the slant of the windows.
Starting with the 1000 series, this was replaced by a plastic push button assembly at the base of the windows.
This was replaced by the "butterfly tpye" starting with the 5000 (Flxible).( This is based on Brooklyn).
Last week I was at Casey Stengal to drop a accident report off and I saw RTS's in storage in the big lot connected to the depot, what were those RTS's and what is this storage area called. I know several years ago I came here and this is where the rodeo and family day were held.
Those RTSs are pending scrap. They are from various depots particularly Ulmer Park.The lot is called Casey Stengel storage lot. I just received an e-mail stating that those buses are leaving the property.Also, if you drive up Roosevelt ave toward College Point blvd, you'll notice a lot where there are also RTSs pending scrap.It is a privately owned lot.The entrance is on Coll.Pt blvd.In that lot are some GH depot 3100s,a couple 2600s and a few 3900s.
According to the NYC DOT web page about the private bus operators, the one day $4 FunPass is good on NYCDOT express buses as well subways and local buses. Is this true? If so, if I were a regular express bus rider from, say, Riverdale to Manhattan, it would be $2 cheaper daily for me to buy a stack of FunPasses and use them for my daily commute. Can someone confirm if the FunPass is good on express buses?
According to the official brochure the funpass is ***not*** good on express bus service. Also-there is no reduced fare version-it is $4 for everyone- even people with disabilities or senior citizens. For people qualifying for reduced fare the better option would be the per-ride or unlimited cards. Even with four rides per day it would be $3 vs $4 with the pass.
Does anyone know about a bus museum in New Jersy?
First the B49 limited. I don't expect that this route will not be in service until the construcion of the Franklin shuttle is over. Also the planing of this limited route is dificult because the question of where to begin/ End limited service on Beford & Rogers Ave should be mark. In other words, do you stop/ limited service at Sterling (St.Johns) or Empire? Another thing is that there is certain stops on the B49 that seems like limited stop for one direction, is not on another direction. Example B49 "Bed - Stuy" buses have a stop at Foster/ Ocean Ave that passengers like to transfer for the B8 and vise versa, but on the Manhattan Bch bound side, that bus stop is not popular because many of the transfers are made at Beford and Foster. One fact do remains: this limited route will be only for peek rush hours (formated like the Q4,Q5,Q46,Q85). Because this is the only time that this route needs limited service. Well the porpose route (that I have made) is listed bellow. The asterek (*) represents stops that are still undetermine.
B49 limited
Manhattan Bch
via Bedford
via Ocean
Service is runs during Am Rush: 6:30am - 9am
Stops
* Limited service begins south of Sterling St
* Sterling St/ Bedford Ave B45 B71
* Eastern Pky/ Bedford Ave B71
Empire Blvd/ Bedford Ave B43
Clarkson Ave/ Bedford Ave B12
Church Ave/ Bedford Ave B35
Bedford Ave/ Foster Ave B8 B41
Ave J/ Ocean Ave B6 B11
Ave L/ Ocean Ave B9
Ave P/ Ocean Ave B7 B82
Ave R/ Ocean Ave B2 B31
Ave U/ Ocean Ave B3
Local service resumes south of Ave U
B49 Limited
Bed Stuy
via Ocean
via Rogers
Service runs Pm Rush 2:30 - 6p
Stops
Limited service begins north of Ave U
Ave U/ Ocean Ave B3
Ave R/ Ocean Ave B2 B31
Kings Hwy/ Ocean Ave B7 B82
Ave M/ Ocean Ave B9
Ave J/ Ocean Ave B6 B11
*Ocean Ave/ Foster Ave B8
Flatbush Ave/ Foster Ave B8 B41
Church Ave/ Rogers Ave B35
Clarkson Ave/ Rogers Ave B12
Empire Blvd/ Rogers Ave B43
*Eastern Pky/ Rogers Ave B71
*St. Johns Pl/ Rogers Ave B45 B71
Service resumes local north of Sterling
It could probably work.
B68 Limited
Brighton Bch
via CI Av
stops
Limited service begins south of Church Ave
Church Ave/ CI Av B35
Cortelyou Rd/ CI Av B23
18 Ave/ CI Av B8
Ave J/ CI Av B6 B11
Ave M/ CI Av B9
Kings Hwy/ CI Av B82
Ave U/ CI AV B3
Ave Z/ CI AV B36
Neptune Ave/CI Av B4
Local service resumes south of Neptune Ave
B68 Limited
Winsdor Terr
via CI Av
Limited service begins North of Neptune Ave
Neptune Av/ CI Av B4
Ave Z/ CI Av B36
Ave U/ CI Av B3
Kings Hwy/ CI Av B82
Ave M/ CI Av B9
Ave J/ CI AV B6 B11
Foster Ave/ CI AV B8
Cortelyou Ave/ CI Av B23
Church Ave/ CI Av B35
Local service resumes north of Church Ave
Don't you hate it when you can't either read a destination sign or there's a piece of paper in the window saying what line the bus actually is? Well here is a list of MTA buses that either have a malfunctioned dsetination sign in the front or in the back:
Nova TMC 1999 #4901 Blank back
Nova TMC 1999 #4921 Q83 Back
Nova TMC 1998 #9376 CALL Back
GMC RTS 1986/1987 #4212 S62 RICHMOND RD Front and Back
GMC RTS 1986/1987 #4344 I I I Back
GMC RTS 1985/1986 #3960 B46 FLATBUSH AVE Front and Back
These are just a few there will be more. Any changes, contact me via email. Thanks!
GMAN
That's half the fun.
There's nothing better than a destination sign malfunction that displays the route in hieroglyphics though. Half the fleet was like that in the early 80's with the Neoplans in Pittsburgh.
I don't think it's nearly as bad with the old GM fishbowls/Flxible new looks with the destination sign curtian. Very often when buses were transferred to other depots that had to get new destination signs and quite often they'd go into service with no sign - and a placard in the windshield.
Wayne
Please leave 4212 out of this.It's my baby!BTW, if it was still assigned to Kingsbridge depot, this condition wouldn't exist. Also, the Bronx style numbers would still be on the back of it.Fresh Pond took it off.
I saw #3903 at Main Street and Union Tpke at 5:25 yesterday on the Q46 route. That bus is STILL residing in QV, not Yukon.
GMAN
Baltimore's no better: Buses with inoperative front/side signs, rear route indicators. I've seen NABI's with non-working LED signs front/side/rear. Older buses have dot signs that are so dirty/faded that they can't be read. Plus the fact that the signs are leased, not bought and the company that made the early dot signs is OOB.
The whole idea behind the dot/LED sign is that EVERY vehicle can have signs for EVERY route/destinations. The older linen/mylar signs were usually readable, and the linen ones never tore in use, unlike mylar.
The only vehicles with dot signs that always work are the LRV's and subway cars. I suspect that the electronics used just can't stand up to the constant pounding that buses have. (From our lovely unmaintained urban streets.)
I would just like to know what the point of posting the numbers of each indivdual bus with a broken sign. No one here can do anything about that. Yes, I hate it when I see a bus with a broken or incomprehensable destination sign. Personally, I miss the old mylar signs that told you the route AND the destination (ie, s53 via Clove Rd (white on blue) Port Richmond (White on Red).
In the end, these signs just got really ugly anyhow. Instaed of listing the intersection (Main St/Amboy Rd) they wind up just saying 'Tottenville' or 'Harlem' No street, no route, just 'M15 Harlem'. Harlems a pretty big area!
At least the new 'oversize' signs display a routing, like those on the new MCI.
-Hank
Hank! I could not agree with you more! I really liked the Mylar roll signs, but at least now the newer Mini and regular Mega-Max signs have the memory necessary to allow more accurate info for the signs.
Eg: M15 East Harlem - 125th Street- via 1st Avenue. That's a little better.
Peace
DaShawn "D-Digital" Pretlow
Here is a list of broken TMC Computers (back only!)
#275 AR
#278 GAR
#291 QBX1
#294 QBX1
#303 QM1A
#305 q102
#344 Q65A
#384 Q66
Here are the blank cpu's
#282, 290, 292-293, 295-297, 302, 308-309, 311, 313, 316, 320-326, 328-329, 333, 348-353, 355-358, 360-362, 364-365, 368, 370, 372-376, 379, 381-383, 387, 389
Broken Orions: 700, 704 (Front and Side Only)
This is for Thurston, he the QS expert: Where is bus #380, I know that bus has been banged around here and there but I haven't seen that bus in a while. Bus #316 must have been in some bad accident because I saw it yesterday on the Q66 and half of the left front side was painted white. What's the update on bus #334? Scrap or eventually back on the road?
This is for Thurston, he's the QS expert: Where is bus #380, I know that bus has been banged around here and there but I haven't seen that bus in a while. Bus #316 must have been in some bad accident because I saw it yesterday on the Q66 and half of the left front side was painted white. What's the update on bus #334? Scrap or eventually back on the road?
Where are buses #601? #1002? #239? #269? #609?
#641 uses to be command bus #393.
I would like to vote on the best bus route (service, destination, is a good route for interest, etc.) and worse bus route in NYC? and in each borough? and why? I' ll tell you mine last.
Bronx (best) BX3 University Ave - Not too long, not too short and able to get some speed.
(worst) BX18 - Very short route, no good scenery and runs mostly on small residential streets which means it almost never goes over 20 mph.
Manhattan M98 - I generally don't like Manhattan routes as it just seems to be a red light, bus stop or both every 500 feet. I do like this route and the x-town routes that use Central Park transverse roads.
M10 - I just always found this route to be very long, slow and boring.
Brooklyn (favorite) B57 - Not much scenery at all, but the buses simply fly along Flushing Ave.
(worst) B61 - I fond this one to be somewhat slow also.
I have to say that I have ridden many buses routes in Brooklyn.
Queens (favorite) many which include Q4,Q5,Q17,Q46,Q75,Q88,QBX1 again because the scenery is good and they go fast and don't stop too often.
I know very little about Staten Island routes so I really can't comment on them.
I was on the road to becoming a MaBSTOA B/O, but I was sure I'd end up in Manhattan and I think it would driven me insane. I wish it had been TA - Queens Division.
As a former operator and now a supervisor for Mabstoa my favorite line as a operator was the M1 to South Ferry. Great facilities at the Ferry (food, restrooms, scenery). And late night you picked nobody up after 110St, so you fly up Madison. The worst line I ever worked was the M104. It kicked my butt so bad after 3 months I ran for my life out of Amsterdam depot. Too many people, little running time, heavy traffic conditions, its the worst.
My favorite line in the Bronx I operated was the Bx33, nice and short and easy and many nice people to talk to.
As a dispatcher the worst line I've worked in the Bronx is the Bx12 same as the 104's in Manhattan and worse since the extension to Bay Plaza.
In Brooklyn my favorite line is the B68, runs through nice neighborhoods but I hear is another 104 type line. The worst I think may be the B24 never understood what its purpose was and runs like every 2 hours.
In Queens my favorite is the Q44 which is very interesting and has nice views but from what I hear from Casey operators is another 104 type line. The worst is the Q32 which is one of the lines I dispatch on. Many problems between Oa and Ta operators and there is a lot of heat from the bosses to correct on time performance on the line.
The only line I ever have ridden in Staten Island is the one that goes from the end of the Island to St George terminal which is alone ride but has nice views.
I had problems, just like one of the respondence on the B24. It is very funny how this bus route literally makes a U - turn to same - street terminal (Kent Av Greenpoint/ Williamsburg, it doesn't say that on destination signs) but what is the point of the B24? From what i see it just gets you across Sunnyside, Queens, but it takes so loong for the bus to come. I know from way before the B30 used to run rush hours, was that part of the original idea of the route?
My favorite bus route in Brooklyn is the B6 and B82 because it travels through many neighborhoods of different heritage. I have to agree with the B24 it just dont make it any sense?
How bout combining some routes in Brooklyn: B14 and B45, B69 and B68,
B54 and Q55, B39 and B40
I like that the B54 - Q55 combining because it make one bus route via Myrtle Ave. It will be better to save transfers than to use on either buses
What about the other combinations?
I am very sorry that I didn't apply to all of them. I having difficulty figuring out if thst is a good idea for the B14 and B45.
Mainly because of the Eastern Pky Station, but than again it can be helpful for passengers in East Ny and Pitkin Ave shoppers a good advantage for one bus to reach downtown and back. Anyway possible to see the B45 move away from being identical to the B65 destinations, is better than any at all.
I have talk to much about the B68 / B69 route that I went out of words for that situation. Something about the combination is so odd,that I can't see that happening. If you really want to know if this route works, look at how many passengers, all day come from the B68 bus to the B69. And check it vise versa. That combination looks more as a school bus route than a point of interest route.
Tell me what you think.
The B40/ B39 is okay, but I am not sure. A sugestion is to extend the B39 to 8 St, Manhattan or Bowery. Easy connections to M8 and the M101 M102 M103 buses and J M trains. Or to E houston St for the M15 M21 and the F train.
About the B39 combined with another route: I like to make an experimental suggestions: B46 Limiteds only/ B39 (Especially for the construction in May)? The Q54 & B39?
B60/B39 (I like that one because it will be an alternative route for the L train passengers)?
The B39 needs to be improved for the fact that construction on the bridge os very near.
My favorite bus route is the Q26. Even though that it runs only Monday-Friday, it doesn't carry many people at all. If I'm waiting at Utopia Pkwy and 46 Ave, I'll wait 20-30 minutes just for this bus. Q27 is too busy, too many people. Queensborough College and HS in Jamica is too much of a hastle. I also like the other routes for the mta: Q17, Q46(not at 3:00 way too many kids between HS, SJU and hospitals, NO WAY are you able to get on a bus!) Q88 (WEEKENDS ONLY, not weekdays, too many school kids!) Q75 and Q76 (Fast buses for 15 minutes apart) Q58 has to be the worst because it arrives every 20-30 minutes around 8:00am on a weekday. The Q32 is also bad. I had to wait over an hour for a Manhattan bound bus at 6:00 on a weekday.
GMAN
The worse line is M10 because my father is a bus driver for 16 years and he hate M10 because it very slow, too much traffic, bad attitde customer never learn to respect with driver and alway getting late.
The B69 in Brooklyn would have to be the worst. Any bus that runs once every 30 minutes in the afternoon rush is there for historic preservation purposes only.
The B41 is the best: frequent service.
I went to High School on the Q76, and if I could time my trips between the dismissals of other (rowdy) schools on the route, it had some wonderful fast rural stretches along Francis Lewis Boulevard. The Q44 over the Whitestone Bridge gets points for scenery even though you used to have to fork over an extra nickel to cross it. Some of the more rural Staten Island routes (S74 along Arthur Kill, S78 along Hylan) were fantastic once you got past Oakwood Heights. You'd swear you were upstate.
On the down side, I grew up on a 'branch' line, the Q16. I could only take the 'via Francis Lewis' branch, and you could wait for up to a hour at Main Street station on weekends during five or six Q28s would board. To this day, if I see a Q16 'via Utopia' (the other, seemingly more frequent branch), I boo, even though I live conveniently along several routes (Q14,16,20,34,44).
Staten Island's S57 passes through some still-wooded areas along Brielle and Rockland Avenues. But other than that stretch it meanders from Port Richmond to Ebbitts Street in New Dorp. It even loops back on itself on Rose Avenue to pick up passengers at the New Dorp SIR station, even though it also stops at the Oakwood SIR station at Guyon Avenue.
Since some folks were mentioning favorite MTA bus routes, how about Long Island Bus routes? I have several favorites.
N20- Hicksville/Flushing, Queens
(beautiful ride traveling the northshore communities...many hills too.... beautiful rural-like ride near Post University and eastward to Hicksville LIRR station. I think this is LIBus' longest bus route in the system)
N79- Walt Whitman Mall/Roosevelt Field
(nice ride through some very upscale communities of Nassau and Suffolk counties)
N72- Hempstead/Babylon
(long ride but still neat....lots of rural areas)
Undesirable routes:
N15-Roosevelt Field/Long Beach (too many rowdy high school students)
N24-Roosevelt Field/Jamaica (too much riff-raff)
N6- Hempstead/Jamaica (too much riff-raff, never could get a seat)
N33- Far Rockaway/Long Beach (no explanation needed)
Cheers,
MIKE
N6 will always be lousy because of the two terminals it servers Jamaica Bus Terminal and Hempstead Bus Terminal. To me, this is the worst bus route in Nassau County- never mind the N15. At least the N15 serves a big shopping area (Roosevelt Field and adjacent shopping centers).
N40 and N41 in Freeport totally suck. The drivers are quite rude if you dare ask them questions.
How are the Jones Beach routes, if I dare to ask? I've heard they are pretty bad, the JB62 Freeport-Jones Beach is crammed with noisy high school kids during the summer, I hear.
I always loved the N20 myself especially since I used to be a stdent at SUNY/Old Westbury (I always wished that bus went up into the main area of the campus. I didn't care for the N22 for the reason that once it went past Mineola going to Jamaica, it just crawled!!!!!
I beg to differ with Mike regarding the N33. True, you may grow facial hair waiting for it to come, but the route taking you over the Atlantic Beach Bridge and through Atlantic Beach into Long Beach is very unique for New York and more reminiscent of Florida.
The N20 is a great speedy, rural run once you get east of the Miracle Mile (I always say it's a miracle if you can get through it without double-parked cars with MD plates). However, I would avoid any route travelling the Mineola-Roosevelt Field-Carle Place-Westbury-Hicksville corridor (N22,24,78,79) due to the horrendous traffic congestion brought about by a ridiculous profusion of shopping malls in the area.
Howard, you have a point about the "uniqueness" of the N33 bus route in terms of traveling along the beach- but I was really talking about the characters riding that bus and the very poor service (hourly at middays back in the days I would ride it). And during winters- you would get so upset when the N33 would sit at the LIRR station in Long Beach (at times for 15 minutes) and not allow passengers to board during the damp brutal wind. I was so pissed everytime I boarded that bus (and so were the others waiting). The N33 was a big joke. I'd rather take the subway out to Far Rockaway........errrr....maybe not. But at least the classic 1966 R-38 cars still run on the "A" line- the only redeeming quality for the A-train in Queens.
Cheers,
MIKE
My favorite has always been the N15. Took me everywhere I needed to go when I was growing up. Service every 15 minutes or better is a real rarity on LI Bus.
Least favorite -- I've got to agree with the N33. Service was too infrequent when I used to ride it. Man is it cold along the water when you miss one of those during the winter. Drivers always seemed to depart from Far Rock right as an A train was arriving. Luckily, the bus has to loop through traffic in Far Rock to head towards Long Beach. I remember a few times sprinting through Far Rock to catch up with an N33 in traffic so as not to have to wait 30 minutes or more for the next one. Also, if I remember correctly the last bus out of Far Rock was at about 8:00, meaning that I'd have to subject myself to the brutally slow LIRR to Long Beach if I left Manhattan after 7:00.
Worst route for me is the N27 from Glen Cove to Hempstead (Roosevelt Field). Congestion in narrow Roslyn Heights/LIRR area and then into Roosevelt Field. Also, rowdy kids a big problem on this route. Fights can often break out at the N27 bus stop at Roosevelt Field in the summer.
I have to say that the Roosevelt Field bus stop has more rowdy kids and rude people than I've ever seen. N20/N21 to/from Flushing is much better, few, if any rowdy kids, and in Flushing there are never any rowdy kids like you have at Roosevelt Field.
I'm sure there are worse routes in Nassau county, but I don't plan on taking them. Just out of curiosity how is the N25 to Lybrook? They still use diesel Orions from Rockville centre on there I see.
My favorite routes are the N20, N79, N21, and N23.
I like route N25, John. To be honest, I really like most Nassau County bus routes except for a few (many of them go into Jamaica). The N25 can busy at times- oddly midday headways are 60 minutes for some reason, don't ask.
I have never been on N23. Need to ride that sometime. There are only a handful of bus routes I have never rode on- N45, N70, N47, N50 (if it still exists), N73, N74, N69 (uh- perhaps this route is contracting out these days), N23, N81 and N27. I hope to ride all of these routes sometime soon.
Cheers,
MIKE
I believe midday headways on the N25 are 40 minutes, not 60. 60 minutes is the Saturday and Sunday headway. When I was growing up in Long Island in the 1950's and 60's, the N25 (previoulsy run by Schenck) had only hourly service. I'm amazed at the frequent service offered during rush hours on the N25. I recollect it was increased in stages about 10 or 15 years ago.
I know that most of the respondents here seem to live (or ride buses) in other parts of New York City, but if you get the chance- take a ride on the Q85 (southeast Queens) from Archer-Jamaica Center "E/J"-train subway station to 147th Ave(Rosedale) or worse.....Green Acres Shopping Center near Valley Stream. Talk about having problems on every darn trip.....there's always at least one rider who refuses to pay the entire fare. And the rowdy kids....sheesh.....makes the N15 or N33 bus routes in Nassau County like a limousine ride.
Cheers,
MIKE
<<.....there's always at least one rider who refuses to pay the entire fare. ...>>
There was an old lady on the Q44 today (sign to Parsons-14th Av), got on at Merrick-Archer, pissed that the Bronx bus hadnt shown up yet, refused to pay fare unless she was taken to the Bronx on THIS bus. Kind of like she was holding the bus hostage until she got what she wanted................ Then she got off.
Unfortunately many bus riders/straphangers try to hold B/O, T/O and conductors responsible for service delays.
There is an inaccuracy on the destination sign that reads "Q44/Parsons Boulevard-COLLEGE POINT". If the TA wants to have Q44s that short-turn at the last stop before the Whitestone Bridge, that's fine; however Parsons/14 Avenue is in Whitestone; it is NOWHERE NEAR COLLEGE POINT!! Many people board this bus at Main Street, Flushing thinking it's the Q20 (which really DOES go to College Point). Old time College Pointers will recall the Q20 was the Q44FS until 1990. In any event, people are shocked to be thrown off at Parsons & 14th because the sign leads them to believe the bus is going into College Point. I have mentioned this to drivers, and that the sign should say "Whitestone" rather than "College Point". I usually get a shrug and "If the passengers aren't sure, they should ask". Maybe in a perfect world-
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But they dont exactly stop ta the same spot. The 20 stops at 38 av and the 44 is closer to 39 av.
Just like people dont check the limited signs in Brooklyn.
As I said quite a few times in one trip once, "This is th B46 making local stops to Kings Hwy ONLY. This bus does NOT go to Kings Plaza."
Soon as you make that right turn onto to KH, the whole bus stands up wondering where the hell youre going and before you know it youre dishing out 32 universal transfers.
If she boarded my bus.....haaaaa.......I'd sit there and just wait until she fessed up with the correct change or Metrocard. That bus would not be going anywhere. Been there, done that!!!! As for the worst bus routes in Queens- though I am not out of the Jamaica garage, I would still nominate any and all Merrick Boulevard bus routes- Q4, Q84, Q85, Q5 and whatever else travels it. Southeast Queens is not a nice area for any bus driver to work.
Speaking of MTA's Q85 in southeast Queens (and I only visit there periodically...not my place of abode), why in the world does the Jamaica division have the Q85 running hourly during owl hours? During winter months, this is inexcusable since this bus route does serves several transit dependent communities (namely Rochdale Village). The buses are way way overcrowded at 2am and even 3am- yet this has always been the case on Q85 (ex-Q5A for those who are too young to remember). Heck, you don't even need to run the darn extra owl bus to Rosedale (at least to Springfield Gardens, though). Just add some extra service. Having one bus on the owl run is ludicrous on route Q85. Gee- and the MTA talks about surpluses.....
Cheers,
MIKE
Saw 8102 on the B82 with aluminum wheels. Any other exceptions like this. I know a couple Orions in Stengel have white wheels as opposed to aluminum and vice versa (266).
There is another 8100 in E.N.Y depot with Aluminum wheels, not sure of the number. 3162 in Ulmer Park has them also.
The original (1993, 101-317) Orions had steel wheels.
-Hank
Have steel wheels. They just received a paint job a week or 2 ago.
565 today with aluminum wheels.
266 i believe has white wheels
Mike M: bus 535 and 565 do not have aluminum wheels. I saw those 2 buses yesterday on the Q44 with white wheels. I know most of the 500 series have aluminum wheels but these 2 buses don't. Bus 266 has aluminum wheels.
I messed that up in my original post. I meant the opposite
Does anyone know when and where there might by a Busfest this year? I am very intrigued by the pictures I saw of Busfest 98 which I did not know about since I did not have the 'Net at that time. I had stumbled onto a Roadeo at Flushing Meadow Park on May 18, 1997 and had a blast revisiting the buses of my youth (60s and 70s). I know my three-year-old son would love checking them out as well; whenever we go to the Transit Museum, I have to crowbar him out of the driver seat replicas there.
Any info would be appreciated.
this is usually held on the street outside the transit museum in june or july. it should be posted here.
While we are at it, I nominate the following TA routes as horrible:
Q77- the whole darn route! Springfield Gdns sux! Lousy kids at the high school.
Q2- the whole darn route! Nothing but trash ride this line
Q44- fun drive over the bridge- lousy on the other end in the Bronx. Very confusing routing. Passengers are usually not that bad- nice racial mix of riders
Are you implying that what makes a bus route "better" is if the ridership is racially mixed? Why do I sense a little prejudice from you? As a bus operator, I try not to pass judgment on ANY of my riders- regardless! You might want to be a bit careful next time with your explanations. We all have a right to our own opinions but I'm employed by a public agency and work with the public on a daily basis. If I have a beef with some passengers, it's based on whether or not they are "well-behaved riders" (pay the proper fare, take a sit quietly, leave me alone and not ask too many stupid questions, etc). But it's never a race issue. I sure hope you don't drive for the MTA- but I'm sensing that you do because of the routes that you dislike. Not sure of which division since the Q77, Q2 and Q44 are from different garages. Why don't you go to the Yukon Garage in Staten Island- I heard that division might be a bit easier for you to handle (mostly white riders). I hate jerks....
How bout that Q32 line? Thats a real prize.
For sheer frustration as a driver or passenger, the Q13 can't be beat! It takes an extremely roundabout route from Fort Totten to Main Street station and gets horribly bogged down in the downtown Bayside shopping (Bell Boulevard) district, where triple-parking and pedestrians stepping out from between parked cars must have been invented. Then there's the eternal drag on Northern Boulevard whose lights must be timed so you MISS every one (Metropolitan Avenue through Ridgewood and Middle Village is no slouch in this department either; ride a Q54 some time). The entire trip can easily take an hour on WEEKENDS. People I know whose doorsteps are passed by the Q13 would rather walk several blocks to the Q16 or 28.
On a slightly related subject, why can't there be a Q12 limited??
You want to ride a lousy bus route- try the Q44 between Flushing and Jamaica sometime. Ain't never had a seat on that pathetic route. Nothing in the city beats the Q44 for lousy service and noisy people. I ride it every day and can't wait till retirement when I'll never board another stupid bus again.
Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. Since they made the last bus later in service, it got so slow. I once waited 1 hour and 15 minutes for a Manhattan bound bus at 6:00 at night on a WEEKDAY. After that, I got so frustrated that I began to walk the route.
Yeah, that Q32 sucks too. Buses in NYC simply suck all around
I once waswaiting an 30 minutes for the Q60 from Grand St and believe it or not I walk all the way to Jamaica Ave.(This happend on midday time By the time I reach to the stop, Th Q60 was five blocks away. It is funny how there are lack of Q60s when you want them. And when they come - they come in threes
I want to know where do i find the number plate for the bus and im really like to collect those number plates. The Tranist Musuem doesn't have the number plates for the bus and it have number plate for subway cars only few.
Hye DNJ: Do you mean the license plate for buses?
rts 2669 is now known as 7015.
I believe DNJ is referring to the number plate on the rear of the RTS's.
Wayne
That right Wayne i been looking for number plate not license plate to collect them.
They're just sheetmetal with the numbers stuck to them, unlike subway car number plates, which are enameled metal. The bus plates are scraped and reused.
-Hank
Hey gman not license plate it number plate at the rear of the buses. God bless you
This bus on Saturdays and Sundays is so slow and crowded! And the people don't want to move to the rear of the bus. Why can't they run the way they do on the weekdays? I have no complaints on the weekdays! They run 1 bus after another and it's a very fast ride. I like this route becuase it's a straight run until Jamaica, then the fun with all the turns start. Either run more buses or shorten the route.
GMAN
Does the Q60 still have some buses that turn back in Sunnyside someplace to go back to Jamaica? I remember seeing that some time ago.
Can't answer your question.
But, you reminded me when the Q60 would stop at Woodhaven Boulevard (enroute to Manhattan) and collect zone checks. Passengers waited in the cold until the driver finished then he would let them on board. Still have a zone check in my collecion in excellent condition!
Have not gotten close to the Q60 in years!
33 st,,use 32 st to turn around Eastbound
57 Av ,,use Junction BLvd
Van Wyck Jamaica Av
Destination Signs
2 av 60 St
Manahattan
via Queens Blvd
33 St
via Queens Blvvd
47 st
via Queens Blvd
33 st,,use 32 st to turn around Eastbound
57 Av ,,use Junction BLvd
Van Wyck Jamaica Av
Destination Signs
2 av 60 St
Manahattan
via Queens Blvd
33 St
via Queens Blvvd
47 st
via Queens Blvd
56 st
via Queens Blvd
Woodhaven
via Queens Blvd
63 Dr
via Queens Blvd
Jamaica Av
via Queens Blvd
Sutphin and Archer
via Queens BL
Nope. All buses start in Jamaica and end near 59th Street in Manhattan. Only a few early morning/late night buses deadhead a bit off from the main terminals.
THIS IS DEFINITELY TRUE. They should give the route to the TA, so they could run limited stop service, and perhaps also use articulateds.
They could operate it out of Jamaica, or perhaps Crosstown, if it reopens.
What's to stop the private from operating the line as a limited? As for the buses they use, when was the last time the privates bought their own buses? Last few batches that I know of were purchased for them by DOT. The DOT makes the decisions on the routes and buses, AFAIK, the private operators only operate the buses and schedule them, according to DOT guidelines.
-Hank
My big questions? If the DOT determines routes on private buseses than they should make improvements on the whole system, from the routes, to destinatiopn signs, and so on. Who do you talk to about route planing anyway in the DOT? I wish I can make those changes. Why can't the DoT hand it over to the MTA? (Things have changed you know.)
They still do only if the Queensboro Br has very heavy traffic.
Hi
as I mentioned before,,they turnaound on 32 st to head Eastbound
Steve
I am requesting assistance for the following
recently
Liberty Lines Acquired Hartsdale Bus Co
I have the following sign readings
I please corrections and ADDITIONS
64 Green Knolls
64 Scarsdale RR
65 Highland Rd
65 Scarsdale RR
66 Ardsley rd
66 Dobbs Ferry
66 New Rochelle
66 Scarsdale RR
66_____________
70 Bonnie Briar
70 Larchmont RR
71 Larchmont Manor
71 Larchmont RR
72 Dobbs Ferry RR
72 Heatherdell
PTLA Buses
33 _____
33 _____
33 _____
18
16
31
Thank you
Why do people have to be in the front of the bus? When it's crowded, why can't they move back? What's there to be afraid of? Empty seats are in the back and they have to sit right on top of you when you're in the front?
People refuse to struggle into the depths of the vehicle. We've had that trouble since streetcars were pulled by horses and, I suspect ominibus operators had the same trouble.
Equipment changes quickly, people take a l-o-n-g time to change habits.
Monday I saw bus #5529 without a paintjob. Yesterday, I saw it painted. This proves my point that the talking system is only on buses 5501 and 5502. 5503 has an "orange computer" in the front and side. It was on the Q37 this morning.
Perhaps all of the rejected WMATA Orions have the talking system, and maybe some of them were disabled. I know that those that WMATA did accept has the talking system and a sign near the front door displays the next stop. I rode one last Friday and their cushioned seats are so comfortable. I hope those at Green Bus lines last.
All of the Green and non-CNG Queens Orions have a device mounted on the third window from the front, both sides, pointing out. Anyone know what it is used for?
probably used for emergency exit.
Saw TMC #347 on the Q104 route last night and it was stripped of it's "SALSA Y MERENGUE shrink-rapped ad".
198 is still around. On Main around Roosevelt this afternoon with shrink wrap ads for 'A Bugs Life".
so are buses 194 and 201.
The people who run Long Island Bus need to wake up and get a reality check as far as their priorities are concerned.
There are routes whose buses run with very few passengers, while there are obvious service needs that have never been addressed, such as:
(1) Thru service on Jericho Turnpike. It seems almost self-obvious that to serve the many stores, offices, and businesses in that area, there should be a bus that runs down Jericho Turnpike from Mineola to
the Jericho Quad. Currently, there is not any bus service on Jericho Turnpike east of Glen Cove Road until you get to the Jericho Quad...and as I said before, with all the businesses and offices in that stretch, it seems unbelievable there is no bus service.
(2) Sunday service on routes that do not currently have it. To give one example, the N27 (Glen Cove-Hempstead); this route runs its buses full even on its last run on Saturday night...it seems logical that it would draw many passengers on Sunday as well, especially with the drae of Roosevelt Field...
These are just two examples. Unfortunately, LI Bus seems more inclined to promote services that make them look good, but are not used much (i.e. JFK Flyer service from Hempstead) than routes that people might actually need and use.
I know. I live in Glen Cove and the last N27 bus is always noisy and crowded, I cannot understand why they don't extend service!
John
Are the MTA going to build more Depot in the Bronx? what happen to Walnut Depot? I thought the NYPost bought the Depot but i heard they change there mind and drop the Walnut Depot. Are the Walnut Depot going to reopen?
My understanding is that a new Coliseum depot will be built on the site of the original.
There are plans for a new maintenance facility on Zerega ave somewhere.
Where is #3904?
#3904 was scrapped.
Where is #2326 and #2486?
Those buses are scrapped.2486 is at Carlton ave storage lot.That is on Atlantic ave next to the LIRR tracks in downtown Bklyn. 2326 is in a lot at 2ave and 39st or 38st in Bklyn.Those were two of my favorites because of the original white interiors in them.
ENY gets all the bad buses........
It sure seemed that way, especially with all of those 1983 3XXX RTS's there, but they have a lot of 1994 & newer RTS's now.
Flatbush doesn't exactly light the lamp for youth in its fleet either. Probably Ulmer park moreso than Flatbush, too.
Makes sense, since that's where the base shop is. Easier to maintain those basket-case buses there for their last few years, then to have them spread out across the city needing to be towed to ENY.
-Hank
Where is #3091 and #3180?
"Where is #3091 and #3180?"
When asking a question relating to plural subjects, the proper word used to reference the plural subjects is 'ARE', as in, 'Where ARE #3091 and #3180?'
According to the bus roster posted here, 3091 is in the 39th St/Second Ave Storage Lot (Brooklyn) and 3180 is in the Herkimer Storage Lot.
-Mr Translator
I've also had this problem with the Q32: I know that rush hour traffic in the afternoon goes away from Manhattan but the time I waited 75 minutes for a bus, there were 10 buses going towards 81 Street and Northern Blvd and none towards Manhattan. The Q60 has also had it's problems with this. I have a technique if you're a frequent Q60 rider: If you're waiting for more than 15 minutes, you may be frustrated waiting but do NOT get on the 1st bus that you see b/c they'll come in groups of 4-5-6-7 and yes even 8. I was on the Q60 going west on Queens Blvd and I counted 8 Q60'S 1 behind another in service. Of course the people are so stupid that they HAVE to get on the 1st bus that they see, but boy they'll be wrong.
By the way all bustalkers: The GMAN is changing his name. He will be now be known as BUSMAN316.
Yippi Cay Yeae!
BUSMAN316
WHAT is the purpose of the Q32? For most of it run it is under the #7 train?
You could make the "it parallels a subway route" case for many long bus routes, besides the many obvious N-S avenue routes in Manhattan. Examples:
Bronx - BX1 and 2, BX 4
Queens - Q60, Q56
Brooklyn - B25
The answer is that in a large city like NY there is a market for both services - some customers prefer the bus due to lack of stair climbing, perceived safety at night, stops closer to one's origin/destination, etc. Also, many bus trips are local in nature and do not require the long distances subway trips often require.
The Q32 is somewhat unique in NY bus history. It was started in 1925 when NY City requested bids from private bus operators to start a service from mid-Manhattan to Jackson Heights, then being developed as an upper class, exclusive residential area. While the subway along Roosevelt Ave. clearly would carry most of the transit riders, it was felt that a direct service to Fifth Avenue department stores would enhance Jackson Heights. Fifth Avenue Coach and Green Bus bid for the franchise, with the route going to Fifth Ave. It became Route #15, and used doubled deck buses from 1936 until 1951. Since 1962, of course, this has been a MABSTOA/TA route, renumbered M32 and then Q32.
Another thing that pisses me off about New York City buses is that most of the fleets are stoopid RTS models. Gimme a break. How in the world did these buses stand up to the potholes all over this town is beyond me. Why didn't they go with Neoplans or Gilligs earlier on? I used to drive both models (Neoplans in Dallas and Gilligs at Foothill Transit in southern California)- wonderful buses, folks! But today, I wouldn't be caught dead driving a RTS! Heck, oughta bring back the GMC fishbowls or even the Flxible new looks.
Now that I am back in NYC, using your stoooopid bus system again to go to work, I had to suffer with rides on RTS (although most of the Q44 buses are Orions now). Feel sorry for every RTS driver!
The reason that our RTS's stand up to our potholes is because of the RTS's design. It's Sturdy!! and Tough!!! To me these buses are much better that those Neoplans your talking about and besides who wants a bus that rusts after one year on the road like the ones purchased by Penn DOT and Neoplan refused to correct the corrosion problem. Neoplans are not great in our environment that has saltwater and other kinds of elements that accelerate corrosion. The frame of the RTS withstands corrosion, and this is also why we and others have had our first RTS's remanufactured to be on the road another 7 to 10 years. Gilligs are not the greatest buses either, they would not survive here in New York City. Foothill's buses are beautiful and are still looking the way they did when first bought. Long Island Bus has some Gilligs, but they are not the best buses they have. By the way it's because of our RTS's that other cities including Dallas bought RTS's because they are built to last beyond the 12 years that most buses are designed to be useful. I like the RTS, but it's not my favorite. I do agree with you, I would love to see more of the GMC and Flxible New Looks, they were and always will be some fine buses.
DaShawn
I suppose you wouldn't mind if they brought back horse-drawn carts delivering ice door-to-door. Wake up and smell the future. The few Gilligs I've seen and rode, on Long Island and in Savannah, GA, were worse rattletraps than the Blitz Rebuilds that the TA was running until 1993. Face it, a fishbowl (or an MCI Classic, or Orions, for that matter) just doesn't have the modern, forward-thinking look that transit agencies want to project.
-Hank
I saw bus # 5526 painted, however, I don't really like how they're painting them. Why atren't they painted like buses 5501 and 5502? To me, the buses don't look right, they're too plain-looking.
I saw bus # 5526 painted, however, I don't really like how they're painting them. Why aren't they painted like buses 5501 and 5502? To me, the white-painted buses look too plain.
I'm not sure why transit companies all love "transit white". Personally I feel they are harder to keep looking clean especially in bad weather. In addition the all white paint schemes are so boring.
Dayton Ohio painted several diesel buses up (RTS and Flxibles) in the old Dayton City Transit colors and they really looked great with absolutely no white on them. Unfortunately they decided to go with a "transit white" paint scheme with a red and yellow stripe for the diesels. How very imaginative.
Some white in the paint scheme I can see but when it's 95% "transit white", it's rather boring.
RDChilds
It's my understanding that SOMEONE in NYC-DOT wanted all the "privates" to be mostly white so they "looked the same". But then the TA is also mostly white, so did this person want the DOT 1,000 to look like the TA 4,000 ... that's a good question, this writer doesn't have an answer. This "decision" doesn't explain why the Jamaica fleet isn't white, so maybe my "understanding" isn't based on any fact.
Item two, this same source says that NYC-DOT is shortly going to change the color OR maybe the stripes will go away. I forgot to ask what my source had for lunch ;-)
Item three ... opinions made here are personal and NOT an official statement.
Mr t__:^)
P.S. Another source said NYC-DOT likes Orange & Blue, so for those of you that don't like white things may change ... but then maybe they won't ... stay tuned ...
Mr t__:^)
This message is for Mike: Do you remember when you asked me to describe the paintjobs that they're doing to buses 8939-8978? Well, yesterday I found out. I saw bus 8942 with the side doors and drivers side painted white. I don't particuarly like the white paintjobs on the MTA buses becuase they make them look too old-fashioned and white color gets dirty very quickly.
Why are they doing these paint jobs for?? They make the bus look extremely ugly and its a waste of money.
I can understand NYCT re-painting buses after some time, even though I believe it happens too soon. I totally agree with you that the paint job (with those white door frames, etc.) is ugly.
Please tell me does the Q21 suck or what? That bus is unpredictable, especially during off hours? I once waited two hours for a bus to come. For those who don't like waiting for the A or like the bus ride, you can not depend on the Q53 because it does not stop at the station. I wish they can extend the Q11 on the Q21 route or add a stop at the train station.
Do you know why the Q21 is that bad? Because they only run 1 or 2 buses on the whole route during the day. How bad is that? The Q9A is the same way.
At least I know there is more. Why do they keep these routes anyway?
I don't particuarly like these buses becuase the seats are too high up. They fill up too quickly and they're uncomfortable. They are excellent with speed but they don't appeal to me. What appeals to me are the TMC buses. They run good and have plenty of seating room for everybody.
RE: TMC
RTS's are now built by Nova.
Which TMC is owned by. Here in Manhattan the Orion's seem to hold more people during the rush hour times and are easier to move around in during those times. But I agree with you I like the way the RTS is designed. The Flxible Metro was a better looking bus compared to and Orion or even a Gillig.
Peace
DaShawn
Speaking of both Flxible Metro and TMC, I've heard a rumor that the Metro design was bought out by MCI (which owned TMC before).
This I'd like to see.
That is true. When Flxible went into bankruptcy in 1996, there was an auction to find a buyer. However, the assets were liquidated, and MCI (under Universal coach parts) bought the parts business. With that came the rights to the buses.
So are we going to start seeing new Metro's? Does anyone think the TA will try them out? (I would love to see them with the new interior lighting scheme used on the newest RTS's. Kind of reminiscent of the original Grumman interiors)
The Orion Staten Island express buses are excellent, the high-backed cloth seats are very comfortable. Only the new MCI coach express buses are more comfortable.
I have 1 question for anybody out there: What is the difference between a bus like 205 compared to bus 295? 292-297, 299-300 sound different than the other 100, 200 and 300 series. Why?
By the way: The only paintjobs that I approve of by the MTA are these buses becuase before this paintjob, you weren't able to see the number of the bus from 20-30 feet away. With this new paintjob, now you can. The other buses look too ugly and old-fashioned and they get dirty too quickly.
These Orions are all 1993 models, but that special group you inquired about have Detroit Diesel Series 50 (4-cylinder) engines. The others have the older Detroit Diesel 6V-92 (6-cylinder) engine. All NYCT buses from 1994 and later have the DD Series 50 engine. The exceptions are RTS 9140-9149 (Cummins) and the MCI 102-DL3's which have the Detroit Diesel Series 60 (6-cylinder) engine.
RE:Paint Scheme - I do like NYCT's new paint scheme on the Orions and New Flyers, but on the RTS it looks horrible.
Wayne
To add on to that, Some of these Orions like 296-300 have the Cummins C 8.3 engine, and buses like 292 - 295 do have the Series 50 engine like you mentioned, but these buses still have the MT 740 or 747 transmission from Allison, while the 1994 models have the Allison B-400 or 500 series transmission which is far more smoother than the previous.
Peace
DaShawn
I would like to know what private franchise bus route went out ofbusiness on Staten Island in the late 1980's & I would like to know on where these routes operated on Staten Island, the route numbers they used & streets, avenue or roads they used. Please post on bustalk.
Sincerely,
Mike
Are you thinking of Domenico whose routes got taken over by Academy?
Domenico was a tax cheat. They wound up as a shell corporation, D/B/A Staten Island Commuter, with the buses leased from Domenico, hoping to avoid the tax man. One day, as they were getting ready for their runs to Manhattan, the city sheriff came along and seized ALL the buses, leaving drivers and commuters with no way to get to work. AFAIK, they were not a franchise operator, and operated in much the same way as Olympia Trails operates now. The routes wound up being operated by Acadamy, which soon gave way to Atlantic Express, which actually published a schedule and route map (calling their routes AE1 thru AE6). Atlantic Express gave all but the Travis park-ride route to Olympia Trails, IIRC (I may have mixed up Acadamy and Olympia)
There are now several companies, if you can call some of them that, that operate service along the Richmond Ave and Hylan Blvd corridors to Manhattan, some even blatantly parroting TA routes and using TA route signs. A story in the Sunday 2/21/1999 SI Advance indicates that many of these companies operate unsafely.
-Hank
To FDNY,
I would like to know if you haapen to receive new bus desination signs with future numbers(for example, M20) & extension of a bus route to a new location, if so, please post on bustalk.
Thank you,
John
M20 -===Still not before the Board,,so very very Tentative,,
What do you need posted
The new NYC-DOT Express Orions I think are the cheapest looking express buses I've seen yet. They have hardly any front facing seats, the Command CNG RTS's have more, and there is no leg room whatsoever. a lot of people including I no space when sitting down. My knees were pressed into the seat in front of me, and other people have to spread their legs just to fit into the seat.By doing this, it makes it uncomfortable or impossible for someone else to sit in the other seat.
If the DOT actually cared about the riding public, they would install wheelchair lifts on the MCI classic and run them as much as possible, and purchase express buses like the TA has (the RTS's and Orions) and use their seating arrangments
At one of the "private" depots the Express Orion's have local vs. express seat config. I don't know why DOT bought them in this config, but will tell you the the "operators" would have prefered the TA config.
Re mod of MCI to add wheel-chair lift. These buses were mfg in '88, how long do you think they'll last ? Yes, they've aged better then the RTS (GMC/TMC), but they won't last forever !
Mr t__:^)
I fine the newest Orions to be good for only one thing; and that's comfortness. I was recently on one and found it to be one of my best rides ever. I think it was a combination of an excellent suspension system and soft plush seats. I was all the way to the rear of the bus and did not find the seating all to bad. I think these are a winner.
-GarfieldA
The new express Orions are not the answer to the increased ridership in NYC. I ride on these buses (Command's new Orions #s 4932-4950 with more to come) and there are never enough seats especially during rush hours. The seats are comfortable only if you sit alone. I feel the NYC-DOT made a bad move with theses buses. I have no problem with the idea of the new buses being CNGs but like others have already commented better seating arrangements should have been chosen. I'm gonna miss the MCIs!
Just my opinion,
Kevin
I don't disagree about the seating on the Orion's. You may be glad to know however, that the Orions are NOT replacing the MCI's. The NYCDOT MCI's, of which my Company, Queens Surface Corp. operates 55, Command has 61, Green has 16, Jamaica Buses has 8, Liberty Express has 86, New York Bus has 93, and Triboro Coach has 31 ... are all 1988 and 1989 manufacture. These will be in service until at least 2001 (and possibly quite a bit longer).
LI Bus uses Orion CNG's and it seems there is much less legroom than on the diesel Orions I've rode on with LI Bus and NYCTA.
Orion CNG buses seem narrower than the diesels, just another drawback of Orion CNG.
I'm quite suprised they are using CNG buses on express routes.
Also it is harder to stand on Orions in general, versus the RTS buses.
John
I can't understand where you are coming from with this post. They may well be narower, but it would be very slight, some extra support for the roof structure. I've never noticed any additional stanchions inside the bus running floor to ceiling, but the roof support system must be strengthened somehow. As for the leg room, the seats are installed by humans, and some may be slightly closer together than others. You can take bus 1, and change to bus 2, sit in the same spot, and be a little cramped on bus 2 when you were comfortable on bus 1.
Why the surprise that they are using CNG buses on X-routes?
As for standing, I prefer the Orion to the RTS if I've got to stand, because there's more space at the top, so I don't have to tilt my head away from an advertising rack. The taper on the RTS makes the bus narrower at the roofline than the beltline.
-Hank
To FDNY,
I was wonderning if you have any plans of doing your own webpage like putting up NYCT bus desination signs, NYCT Agendas for each month, other NYCT stuff & other transit stuff. If so, can you please post on bustalk.
Sincerely,
John
I have been posting the Agendas every month
The desitination sign readings are numerous,I will only post the Boro that YOU live in,,for now
I have been thinking of posting a Bus Destination Sign Page (WITHOUT THE CODES)
ALot of material ,,who do you suggest I use to start a page
Steve
To FDNY,
I would like to know if you can please post Ulmer Park & Yukon bus readings on bustalk.
I would greatly appreciate it.
Sincerely,
John
To FDNY,
I have a suggestion on how to start a Bus Desination Sign Page,
1)Do seperate borough local bus readings.
2)Do seperate express bus readings.
3)If future bus readings or something that NYCT added on to the bus readings, then you can add that on to the readings.
4)Do bus readings in this type of form like this:
S53 BAY RIDGE
86 ST STA
Without a mistake.
5)Call it Bus Electronic Desination Reading List by your name.
Sincerely,
John
I would like to know exactly on where the new Coliseum Bus Depot in the Bronx located at.
Thanks,
Michael
Hey michael you know where is Coliseum Bus Depot?? Well it on west farm area near Cross Bronx Expway. If you going west on Cross Bronx Exway is on the right and you can see the big land. It close to Bronx river Parkway. Don't forget to put the "?" at the end of your subject.
Take the Sheridan Expwy to E177st exit. It's right there.
Are you refering to Coliseum, or West Farms? Considering that neither depot is in actual service (and that Coliseum isn't even standing) we should be using past tense. And why bother looking?
-Hank
When I said "it's right there" I meant the site of the old Coliseum depot.
Old Coliseum Depot torn down two years ago and they already start but it been stop almost 4 months now and i don't know what is going on?
From what I heard,there is a lawsuit vs the T.A brought by some landmark preservation people.They were in the process of attempting to get landmark status for Coliseum when it was torn down.It should have been declared a landmark. It was a magnificent building
Hi, fellow buffs. The old Coliseum Depot (so named for the old NY Coliseum)is located at 177st and Devoe Ave. It is accessible with the Q-44, which passes right in front of it,. If the B.O. is a mensch, he/she can let you off right in front. It is also accessible by Bx 40/42,Bx.9. or #2 and#5 trains to 177 St. Station.Also, Bx 39.
I'm not sure if this is topical, but its the closest I can find on this website. I'd like to share reminiscenses and information about the old trolley car system that used to operate in the Bronx and Westchester prior to 1950. Appreciate all ideas.
Jerry, and anyone else interested in NY trolleys, take a look at http://www.nycsubway.org/cdrom1/.
The weekend I was in NYC and while I was rail/bus fanning I rode Green Bus Lines' #5506 and I'm sad to say the bus looked a bit grundgy already. The bus needed a good interior cleaning. I was glad to see that the cushioned seats had not been damaged.
Wayne
I saw a lot of green orions painted this weekend:
5505, 5511, 5517, 5521, 5531, 5533
More to come:
Up to a few weeks ago, I've been seeing the new 5000-series RTS's running on the m15, m104, m10, and maybe a couple other Manhattan routes. Now I don't see them. Have they been transferred to "outer" depots and are no longer in Manhattan?
They are probably at East New York with the rest of the 5000's and 4900's.
does NOT have cloth-padded seats.
NYCT has received the first half of the 1998b NovaBus order. They are located at:
Queens Village (4900-4944) - 4900 and 4903 are back at the NovaBus plants
East New York (4945-5024)
126th Street (5025-5054??)
Fresh Pond (5055??-5074)
The second half of the order will be coming down shortly.
When? They've been expected since August 1998.
Does anyone know the manufacturer of the new coach buses running on the MTA express bus routes. I'm interested in finding some more additional information on them.
-GarfieldA
motor coach international(MCI)
If you need listings,,I will do 5 Routes only,
for each person
This is do to the large large amount of Signs and Readings
===Including the Train Shuttle Readings
example
X92 Yorkville
Lex---96 st
via York Av
This also includes the DOT Routes
Green Bus
Command
Queens Surface
Triboro Coach
NY Bus
Jamaica Bus
Just submit your listing for the 5 Routes
Take Care
Steve
Here are a few:
Q60 2 AVE 60 ST
MANHATTAN
Q60 VIA QUEENS BL
Q60 SOUTH
JAMAICA
Q66 51 ST
Q66 VIA NORTHERN
Q66 MAIN &
ROOSEVELT
Q66 21 ST
QUEENS PLAZA
Q18 GRAND AVE
MASPETH
Q18 30 AV
Q18 8 ST &
ASTORIA BL
Q46 SPRNGFLD BL
Q46 LAKEVILLE RD
L I J HOSP
Q46 VIA UNION
Q46 UTOPIA PKWY
Q46 GLEN OAKS
Q46 VIA 260 ST
Q46 KEW GARDENS
QUEENS BL
Q47 LA GUARDIA AIRPORT
MARINE TERMINAL
Q47 74 ST
Q47 SUBWAYS TO
MANHATTAN
Q47 74 ST &
ROOSEVELT
Q47 73 ST
There are some. More will come soon. Later!
BUSMAN316
My message,,that if ANYONE NEEDS readings,,I will help them
I have them all !!!!
All official sources
I need express bus readings for Staten Island express routes that includes future bus routes or extensions to a bus route to a new terminal.
Sincerely,
John
I will type them up,,on Bus Talk ---on Tuesday
X1,X10,X17,X22,X31
Please correct the X22
x1 West Midtown
via Chrch st
via 6 Av
x1 Eltingville
Ar Kill Rd
Via Hylan Bl
via Rich Av
x10 E MIDTOWN
VIA CHRCH
VIA MADISN
X10 PT RICHMOND
X10 E MIDTOWN
VIA WEST ST
VIA MADSN
X10 S I COLL
x11 Downtown
Worth St
X11 Travis
X11 E Midtown
via Church
via Madison
x31 E Midtown
via Madisn
X31 SI Mall
X31 E Midtown
via N Jersey
X31 NW SPRNGVIL
AR Kill Rd
Q44, Q46, Q28, Q76, Q58 please
Q28 Casey Stengle Garage
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
q28 bay terrace
Bell Blvd
Q28 Flushing
Main St Sta
Q28 32 Av
Cpl Kennedy
Q28 F Lewis Bl
35 Av
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Q44 comes from Casey and Jamaica Depots
Q44 Bronx Zoo
W Farms Sq
Q44 Jamiaca
Merrick
Q44 Flushing
Main St Sta
Q44 Flushing
Main St Sta (N or S Directions)
Q44 Limited
Bronx Zoo
W Farms Sq
Q44 Limited
Jamaica
165 St
Q44 Fordham Plz
Q44 Lafyette Av
Q44 Limited
Fordham Plz
Q44 Reeves Av
Q44 Whitestone
14 Av
Q44 Sutphin Bl
Q44 H Grant Cir
Q44 Union Tpk
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Q46 originates from Queens Village
Q46 Kew Gardens
Queens Blvd
via Union
Q46 Glen Oaks
via 260 st
Q46 Lk Success
Quadrangle
via Union
Q46 Springfield Bl
Q46 188 St
Q46 Lmited
Glen Oaks
via 260 St
Q46 Limited
Lk Success
LIJ Hosp
via Union
Q46 utopia Pky
____________________________________________________'Q58 Originates from Fresh Pond or Casey
Q58 Flushing
Mian st
Q58 Ridgewood
Palmetto St
Q58 108 St
H Harding exy
q58 64 st
Grand Av
Q58 Frsh Pnd Rd
67 Av
Q58 Frsh Pnd Rd
Putnam Av
Q58 corona Av
108 St
Q58 Putnam Av
Mytle Av
Q58 Junction Blvd
Q58 Queens Blvd
Q58 Reeves Av
____________________________________________________
Q76 originates from Casey Stengle
Q76 Whitestone
Parsons BL
Q76 Jamaica
165 St Term
Q76 26 Av
F Lewis Bl
Q76 Hillside av
F Lewis Bl
Q76 h harding Exy
F Lewis Bl
Please write these Down ,if you are interested,,I am not retyping them ----this is a GeneralAnncemt.for all those interested Parties
i did not know the Q44 went to Fordham Plaza.
Q44 don't go to Fordham Plaza and they go to E180st & Bronx Zoo, West Farms Square.
THe Q44 will be going to Fordham Plaza ,,very very soon===probably as a Limited
The signs I have,,in many cases,,show the new routes
Example==B36 Kings Plaza et al
Do yo know of any buses extensions especially in Brooklyn? What do you think of my bus combos?
1. B14 and B45
2. B16 and B43
3. B16 and B48
4. B39 and B40
5. B54 and Q55
6. B68 and B69
7. B14 and B71*
The routes are too long,,
Except maybe for the B39 B40
Extensions coming down are the B36 to Kings Plaza and possibly the B86 B1 B64 Changes,,all part of the SW Brooklyn Study
I think the best combo however would be B54 and Q55 because it would have long route running across Myrtle Avenue.
Ok then, how about the B13 and the B18, a couple of slow routes? There was once rumored that the B18 would go to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza it is still a possibility?
That's what I thought
Limited service on the 44 and extension to Fordham Plaza has been on the table for some time.
It might also be spilt with Kingsbridge.
please
Here are some signs on the Q27 and Q88:
Q27 Springfield Bl
Q27 Jamaica Av
Q27 Queens Vill
Q27 Flushing
Q27 Main St Sta
Q88 Rego Park
Q88 Queens Bl
Q88 Utopia Pkwy
Q88 Jamaica
Q88 Queens Vill
Q88 F Lewis Bl
There are probably more destination signs for these routes but these are just some.
BUSMAN316
This came from Documents--not my opinion
I do not give out the Codes for programing these signs
B86 Manhatn Bch Kngboro Col via 86 st
B86 Bay Ridge 4 Av 86 st
B86 25 Av----86 st
B86 13 Av
B86 Stillwel Av
B86 Stillwell Av
Q50 Pelham Bay
Q50 Flushing Main St Sta
Q113 Limited Jamaiaca
Q113 Limited Far Rockaway
X80 Randall Is
x80 E Harlem 125st--Lex #4/5/6 Train Metro North
X81 Randall Is
X81 Woodside #7 Train LIRR
X82 Randall Is
X82 Inwood Dyckman St
X83 Yankee Std #4 Train
X84 Randall Is
X84 Shea Std
X85 Randall Is
X85 G W Bridge A train
X86 W Harlem Bway--145 St #1Train
Bx23 Mt Vernon
BX23 Fordham Plz
Bx23 Mundy La
BX23 Co-op City Pelham Bay Loop
x21 Downtwon Worth St
X21 Arden Hts via Hugenot via Drumgle
X22 E Midtown via West St via Madisn
X22 Annadale Amboy Rd via Ardn Av
X23 E Midtwon via West St Via Madisn
X23 Annadale rd via richmond
X23 Ar Kill Rd Arden Hts W Shore Exy
X24 Downtown Worth St
X24 Annadale Rd via Richmond
Please dont ask me about details,,etc,,,
This is what is printed ,,only
Steve
I can definately clear up those 'x80' series buses; they're used for the special service to Randalls/Wards Islands for concerts and sporting events. It particularly bothers me that the parking fee is included in the cost of the ticket, yet to take mass transit to the event, it costs an additional fare, even for the 'express' bus from 125st/Lex to the Island.
-Hank
Are they used ???
Steve
Personally, I've never seen it, but my brother has attended concerts at Downing Stadium, and was smart enough to ask me before taking the x-spensive bus. The M35 does the same route as the x80, for $1.50. Basically, it comes down to chaging the market rate. That 'Parking Fee Included' on the tickets really irks me, though.
-Hank
Signed Steve
Q3 Jamaica
179 St Sta
165 St Term
Q3 JFK Airport
Q3 Jamaica
179 St Sta
Q3 Rockaway Bl
Q4 Cambria Hts
235 St
via Linden
Q4 Jamaica
Prsns=Archer
via Linden
Q4 F Lewis Bl
Q4 Limited
Jamaica
Parsns=Archr
Q4 Limited
Cambria Hts
235 st
via Linden
Q5 Green Acres
via Merrick
Q5 Jamaica
Prsns=-Archr
via Merrick
Q5 Rosedale
LIRR Sta
Via Merrick
Q5 Limited
Jamaica
Prsns-Archer
via Merrick
Q5 Limited
Rosedale
LIRR Sta
Q5 233 St
via Merrick
Q5 Springfield Bl
145 Rd
Q27 Flushing
Main St Sta
Q27 Queens Vil
Jamiaca Av
Q27 F Lewis bl
Q27 Sprngfld Bl
H Harding Exy
Q88 Queens Vil
Jamaica Av
Q88 Rego Park
Jamaica Av
Q88 H Hrding Exy
F Lewis Bl
q88 Main St
Q88 73 Av
F Lewis Bl
Q88 Kissena Bl
I think the 76 also has a sign for Hillside av - 179 street. About 6 short trips to 179 in the am
I have 2 copies of the listings
both show the same ,,either 179 st sta or Hillside F Lewis Bl
Tell me what you think of combining these bus routes in Brooklyn:
1. B14 and B45 make one route from Downtown Bklyn to Spring Creek, alternating buses at Utica Avenue Subway Station.
2. B16 and B43 make one long route from both tips of Brooklyn, alteranting buses at Prospect Park.
3. B16 and B48 same thing as #2.
4. B68 and B69 make one long route in Brooklyn with every third B68 bus going to Downtown Brooklyn.
5. B39 and B40 both of these buses run about the same(buses per hour).
6. B54 and Q55 make one route running through Myrtle Avenue.
7. B14 and B71 make one route running through Eastern Parkway.
Here are a couple of extensions for Brooklyn buses:
1. Extend the B36 to Kings Plaza. You would have direct service to Kings Plaza to CI.
2. Extend the B14 to Grand Army Plaza
Tell me what you think..........
You cpuld get it there but you couldnt get it back onto Avenue U the way the turnaround and the stands are set up.
We mentioned this a couple weeks ago
<<1. Extend the B36 to Kings Plaza. You would have direct service to Kings Plaza to CI.>>
You could get it there but you couldnt get it back onto Avenue U the way the turnaround and the stands are set up.
We mentioned this a couple weeks ago
I figured that would be a problem. But couldnt the TA just move up the stands so that the B36 would be behind the B9 bus?
They should do that whole thing over again over there. And take out that hydrant right by the parking garage exit. One less thing to worry about
I agree with you 100%
Saw this bus on the Q104 on Saturday.
What is special about it? Is is some strange model? Is it painted differently? So you saw it! I see dozens of buses every day, and the only one I've ever seen fit to mention was the first MCI Coach.
-Hank
Was there ever a Q86 route? If there was, I believe that it ran along Conduit Ave.
Shuttle bet LIRR Rosedale and the 147 av Corridor
I'm not going crazy, I saw it 1 time along Conduit Ave because I was right behind it.
It turned around on Francis Lewis Blvd nr the N Counduit
From Francis Lewis and the North Conduit,via Lewis ,,241 St,138 Av,242 St,,North Condut,Francis Lewis ,147 Av Westbound,,to same turnaround Routing as the present Express
I saw bus #39 without it's Salsa y Merengue shrink rap.
Why waist all of the MTA's money to give these buses the ugliest paintjobs that I've ever seen when they're going to be scrapped a short period of time later. Take for example: RTS 1983 Model #3236
Was painted September 1997. Used for scrap February 1999.
Because the MTA are so dump and wasting all the money to repaint the buses. Well MTA is not very smart and they don't know what to do. I never understand why MTA spend too much money on jerk. It just like they thrown the money away for nothing. P.S. They better hire more cleaners to clean the subway cars and buses not welfare people and they don't belong to MTA.
I always thought the TA was wasting money painting old buses. When they first went the new logo - many depots actually started removing the old fleet numbers/NYCTA decals and replacing them with the new numbers and MTA logo. I thought this was very unnecessary. Now I hate to see this - not only because it's a waste of money, but this paint scheme is ugly.
Wayne
Hey wayne i don't like new Logo and i like to old Logo they have before and i think MTA is really stupied why they wasting money on new logo or repaint the buses. They just thrown the money away for nothing.
I totally agree with you guys that these new paintjobs are horrible and they need and we should demand that they go back to the original because it saves time and money and that money saved should be used for proper cleaning of the subways and buses. The only buses we have now that are retaining the original paintjobs are the Mid-Western Bus Reman's and of course the Newly purchased RTS's. Also remember that the MTA does a thing called a "3 Year Upgrade" on all buses, what that entails is the complete replacement of componets like the Air Compressors and tanks, the changeout of the engine and transmission, and also the complete repainting of the bus. So for the case of the 1983 RTS's, these buses are interesting in the fact that the TA decided to upgrade the powerplants from the 6V-71TA to the 6V-92TA to standardize the fleet, which is dumb because one, the 6V-92TA non-DDEC (Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls) will have the hardest time meeting current and future clean air standards and also the 6V-92TA is not produced anymore for new bus orders because of this and other reasons. The Series 50 is currently the main engine of choice for the TA and #3160 our of Ulmer Park was the oringinal test bus for this new engine. I think all of the Remans should have been retrofitted at time of remanufacture with these engines to meet clean air standards. 6V-92TA's are smoother running, but they are not as clean as the series 50, including the fact that both engine are equipped with Catalytic converters like the 7000 series and the newest buses that all have series 50's. Sorry for being long winded but once again I totally agree with you guys on the fact this new paint scheme has got to go and it is not worth painting buses that are going to be scrapped or stored 6 months later.
Peace
DaShawn
I didn't realize that the TA was replacing the 6V-71 engines. I always thought that it should've been done long ago. SEPTA and WMATA had installed 6V-92 engines in their slopeback RTS (I think they're 03 series) long ago. I rarely see the 1983 RTS since I'm rarely in NYC on weekedays.
Hey, do you know why CNG'S are not standing many people? They're 2 reasons why:
1. Obvious, because of the weight on top of the bus.
2. Too many complaints from people about overcrowding resulting in many injuries.
Care to put this in standard American english?
"Hey, do you know why CNG's are not standing many people?"
What the hell does weight on the roof have to do with standing on the bus? Do you even KNOW what you're talking about?
-Hank
Actually, the weight of the tanks has a great deal to do with the number of standees (sheesh, Hank, have a little patience with your peers!). The number of standees is determined not just by the square footage available for passengers but also by the gross vehicle weight that the vehicle is designed for. Anything that adds weight will push the total closer to the allowable gross ... including tanks or passengers. Since it is easier to limit the number of passengers than it is to limit the number of tanks (although that can be done too), the number of standees permitted is effected by the weight of the tanks. Got it?
Plenty of patience, just not a lot with statements/questions that are nearly impossible to understand.
You can SAY you're limited to the number of standees you can take on, but how do you say 'when'? People will get on the bus until someone decides they can't squeeze their own a** in. So unless you have a driver who's either been counting people or has a good idea of when his bus can't take any more, what's to stop them? Do CNG buses have a higher weight rating than a similar diesel bus? Should they?
-Hank
[ ... limited to the number of standees you can take on, but how do you say 'when'? People will get on the bus until someone decides they can't squeeze their own a** in. So unless you have a driver who's either been counting people ...]
You've come close to the answer. i.e. the burden has been put on the DRIVER of the bus. I don't have specific knowledge in NYC, but LI Bus apparently skips stops with folks waiting when there's no more room & nobody rang the bell to get off.
Initially NYC-DOT said N-O standees on the new CNGs. When it was asked why does LI Bus allow 10 & NYC zero ... DOT permitted standees.
Disclaimer: I don't work for the TA or DOT AND opinions expressed here are myown & not company policy.
Mr t__:^)
Why don't the following bus routes run more buses if this problem persists? Not only do people get irratated because the people don't MOVE BACK because they're afraid but the driver does too because he tells the people to move and they refuse to. Here is a list of particular bus routes in Queens that need to run more buses because people like me have had it with their stupidity:
Q6 Green Lines
Q10 Green Lines
Q11 Green Lines
Q13 MTA Casey Stengel
Q17 MTA Jamaica
Q23 Triboro Coach
Q25 Queens Surface
Q27 MTA Casey Stengel
Q32 MTA Casey Stengel/Hudson Pier
Q34 Queens Surface
Q44 MTA Casey Stengel/Jamaica
Q46 MTA QV (This has to be the worst of them all!)
Q60 Green Lines
Q65 Queens Surface
There's probably many more, but I know the main routes in Queens that are hectic. What's your opinion? I like to know. Thanx.
BUSMAN316
So youre saying people dont move back, so they should run more buses???
Why would the driver be afraid to tell the people to move back???
If they dont respond, pull up the ICC brake and sit there and make them miss the train or their transfer (or the ferry in SI's case), then maybe they'll learn.
If you are driving a RTS bus, don't be so confident that any of your brakes function properly. RTS lose so much psi all the time you never know when the darn thing is going to just freeze on you anyway.
Maybe the buses you've driven have just been so poorly maintained the run badly. Or maybe you're just an ordinary troll. After all, trolls have no real identity either.
-Hank
The name-calling is unnecessary. I don't fit that image of troll as you state. What I can tell you is from my experience as a bus driver (not in New York Crappy). I have driven RTS buses in Dallas for DART and they are a nightmare. Bring back a fishbowl anyday for me to drive if I ever decide to drive again and I still have a VALID commercial license thank you. And for my identity this is not necessary since I am sure to get unwanted negative e-mail messages from several of you bus lover types or subway lover types. I hate YOUR city as I have mentioned previously because of the very unfriendly people. This is true because I am quite the friendly guy and am always treated like an outsider everytime I board YOUR bus and YOUR subway system. I tell you this: try riding the Q44 bus one day and you will puke. Same goes for riding the E or F or 7 trains. The people say nothing to you at all. Even when I try to communicate in a friendly way. It will make you sick. So unless you ride the stupid train and bus everyday you have no room to talk to me and call me names. I am not meaning this to you on a personal level. I just think you people don't realise that you have a very unfriendly city no matter how a new person tries to be friendly to you everyday. And it is the worst on YOUR bus and subway! People need to smile and take things lightly.
Actually, I've never gotten a negative email that could be traced back to this group. You might, because you're coming off as a troll. If you have problems with New York CITY, leave. People traveling to and from work aren't looking for conversation, freinds, or dates. They're looking to enjoy their coffee/donut/soda/juice/sandwich/twinkie/newspaper/book/magazine/CD/tape/personal DVD player in their own peace and quiet, and not be bothered with other people. I've taken mass transit in several cities (Savannah, GA; Washington, DC; Philadelphia, PA; Wilmington, DE; Newark, Elizabeth, Camden, and Trenton NJ; Binghamton, Poughkeepsie, Albany, ans Nassau County, NY) and it's always the same. People get on, people get off. The only conversations I've ever seen were between people who either boarded together, or disembarked together. And while I've struck up a few conversations on the bus or train in my life, none of them started with a hello or a good morning. Some have started with an excuse me, most have stared with someone thinking out loud about someone or something that just happened. Occasionally, I'll butt in to another conversation that I can't help but overhear, especially if I hear people discussing how to get where. And I've spoken with bus drivers, train operators, conductors, and dispatchers. But no matter where I've been, and I'm sure this is the case in many other places, people want to be left alone.
-Hank
Look, BusHater (and SubwayHater), if you don't have anything positive to put on the bulletin, please don't post anything. It takes up valuable discussion space for others. THANK YOU.
Hey, BUSHATER, many of the RTS buses are in storage lots and scrap yards. There are still many on the road, but they're decreasing. Personally, I like the RTS buses better than any of the other buses. They're built to last longer than any other kind of bus. So, in closing the RTS are decreasing but they'll always be on the road and that's the bottom line because the BUSMAN said so!
BUSMAN316
Well, Busman thank you for your vote of confidence defending the RTS bus but I am a person speaking from experience my friend. The RTS bus is the most unpredictable bus on the roads. Those lemons have cracks like you would not believe. Trust me I know this. I drove for DART in Dallas and they had plenty of them. I would drive a Neoplan transit bus anyday over RTS and so would most bus drivers. Unless you have driven those buses you cannot say that they are better than anything else. Experience will tell you that RTS buses suck my friend. I would rather drive a fishbowl which was a great bus anyway.
I've noticed that the new Nova Buses (#4900, 4902-5249) have new computerized system in the back. Why the change from the original? #4901 has the original CPU in the back (Like #9350-9699)
Better visibility.
The directioanls and taillights are LED also on the 1999 Novas.
Orion 560 has LED rear directionals as well.
First off, they're SIGNS, not COMPUTERS. The computer controls the signs, that's all. On most of the newer buses, the signs are controlled by the farebox computer as well. The newest model of the type of sign used on the majority of transit buses in the United States is Luminator Corp, both of which have a display of 16 rows x 112 columns. Called the 'Mega:Max'(67.8" W x 9.5"H) and the 'Mini Mega:Max' (44.8" W x 6.4"H) they are identical except for size and weight, and use the same control systems. The 'Max 3000' series, which include the LEDs, are not as common, but are becoming the standard, with two important features; lower maintainence cost and higher visibility. They come in many configurations, the most common listed below:
Front
16 Rows x 98 Columns
Display Area:61.3“ W x 9.5”H
Front Mini
16 Rows x 112 Columns
Display Area:47.7“ W x 6.4”H
Side
7 Rows x 90 Columns
Display Area:38.3“W x 2.7”H
Rear
10 Rows x 23 Columns
Display Area:14.3“W x 6.0”H
-Hank
Why aren't there any bus routes to avoid A's and B's in the transit system? Doesn't it avoid confusion? Here are some examples with bus lines that are non-existent:
Q49-Q52, Q57, Q61-Q64, Q68, Q70-Q71, Q73, Q78, Q80-Q82, Q86-Q87, Q89-Q100, Q105-Q109
Why is there a Q19B- That doesn't make any sense whatsoever! Make it for instance, The Q89. What's wrong with that?
You must have been in a really great mood when the they had the Q3A(83)/Q4A(84)/Q5A(85)/Q5AB(also 85)/Q5S(ex-86)/
Q5LS(laurelton Shuttle)/Q12A(79)/Q17A(30)/Q44A(46)/
Q44B(ex-whitestone shuttle)/Q44FS(20)/Q44VP(74)
back until the mid 80s
Q89 formerly ran from Grand Av-QB to around Elmhurst Hospital up till mid-80s. Anybody know what depot that ran out of?
Q89 ran out of 54st depot,MABSTOA route.
The Q89 operated out of the 54th Street (MaBSTOA) depot, which is where the M32 (now Q32) also operated from.
Wayne
Don't you hate it when a bus goes so slow and you think that it's the bus driver going at that speed? Well, in some instances, it's NOT the driver but the bus itself. Here is a small list of these "SLOW" buses: (all buses are rts)
MTA: #3942 This bus receives the turtle award! Both doors, and the acceleration so slow that it took a usual 20 minute ride 35 minutes long. This bus operates out of Jamaica Depot.
The runners up: #3934, 3936 and 4585
MTA: #3956 QV
Triboro Coach: #648, 675 and 702
Green Lines: #228, 236, 248, 628, 632, 645, 650, 651 and 652
Queens Surface: #47, 218, 247, 257-258
I think bus 3942 puts the 4630 to shame! Comments? Email me! Later!
BUSMAN316
Well Busman you really put your foot in your mouth this time. All of the buses in question are RTS as you had noted. Ooops. I guess there is some truth when I say RTS suck. You will come to your senses sooner or later. Either that or you'll keep dreaming. Get behind the wheel sometime of a RTS bus and then you get back to me with the facts. Stop defending RTS man!
This was copied from an identical post on SubTalk. It also applies here.
Of course, if you didn't have such a bad attitude, maybe you would find people in New York who are friendly. With the attitude that you have projected here, along with the Bus/SubwayHater tag and the phoney e-mail address, it's no wonder the messages elicited the responses they got. If your board attitude is like your real attitude, no wonder you get the responses you get.
You may have lost your driving jobs because of attitude. If you really are a "nice gentleman", reveal youself. You may find that the world is really a better place.
You people never understand why buses is slowest??? They go by schedules and times. For example I leave at 125st at 4:00 and be at 116st at 4:03, than be at 106st at 4:06 than be at 100st at 4:10 that how they used schedules. Think people i know you hate buses and that the way they are.
You people never understand why the buses is slowest??? They go by schedules and times. For example I leave at 125st at 4:00 and be at 116st at 4:03, than be at 106st at 4:06 than be at 100st at 4:10 that how they used schedules. Think people i know you hate buses and that the way they are.
As a group, the 1983's (3001 to 3324) were quite slow. Next, again generally as a group are the low 8000' up to 8396.
9140-9185,9569-9605 ARE VERY SLOW ALSO.
I think 8000-8396 are good buses. 3001-3325, 3900-4218 have a large group of "turtles" 9140-9185, 9569-9605 are not that slow. Ok, if you say those buses are slow, how about 5055-5074?
I think the slowest RTS in the TA's fleet were the original (1981) and the 1983 RTS's as they had the Detroit Diesel 6V-71 engine. Other RTS's got the 6V-92TA and they were much faster. Also the 1990 & 1993 TMC RTS DDEC 6V-92TA engines. I think that all buses from 1994 and later with the Series 50 are simply very fast.
Wayne
I would like to know if NYCT plans to order anymore Over-the-Road coaches & if so, how many more will br ordered & who will built these buses. Please post on Bustalk.
Thanks,
Michael
From the 02/22/99 Staten Island Advance-
http://www.silive.com/news/advance/0222buses22.html
To all, please do not keep defending RTS buses. NYcrappy is paying dearly for these buses- rehab after rehab after rehab. And still have drafty back doors which rattle so annoyingly. Don't anyone here lie about this. Plus, RTS lose too much psi when making stops and traffic stops. This is a safety issue people. Unless you are a driver you can't possibly understand the dangers of RTS buses. NYCrappy is gonna pay for this. You wait and see people.
I'm sure you would put the Grumman 870 up against one of the deadliest RTS buses around, MTA NYCT #9140-9149. These buses would blow the doors off of anything within 100 yards because of their Cummins M-11 engines.
BUSHATER, ok, I admit RTS buses suck! What buses DO YOU LIKE? MCI? NOVA? ORIONS? What?
Listen, I get motion sick easily and am very sensitive to fumes. The RTS was the first bus I was able to ride on without feeling sick. That has to be worth something. The passengers don't get to drive, and with all the hysteria in the media I've never heard a report of the RTS being unsafe (unlike killer school buses, etc).
The RTS buses get rebuilt because they have a great structure that can be rebuilt and rebuilt and rebuilt. It is the stronget safest transit bus on the road. The air pressure and brakes are fine, no problems
The early RTS buses with the independent front suspension was a bit fussy but still a good bus.
The body was designed and built by GMC, built by TMC (AKA MCI) and is now built by NOVA.
The only thing that will keep older RTS buses from being rebuilt again may be the high cost of upgrading power plants to meet EPA emmission requirements.
A flex 870, orion, Neoplan or other buses are generally not rebuildable. An RTS that was a "12 year bus" that lasted 15 to 20 years as built and could be extened by 10 year increments with rehabbs that cost 50% the cost of a new bus sounds like a great value to me.
Sounds like bus hater has never ridden a bus.
1 month ago, I saw bus #545 on the Q58 route. Now doesn't the Q58 operate out of Fresh Pond? Why did they run a Stengel bus on that route?
It may be possible that they ran that bus as test to see if the Orion's can accomodate that route and depot. The reason why I say this is because this is what happened here in Manhattan when Amsterdam and Mother Hale depots each got one Orion from Kingsbridge and about a few months later all of Kingsbridge's Orions were transferred to both of these depots and these depots are now going to get the new 6000 series Orions. Just a thought!
Peace
DaShawn
The upcoming order of Orions are scheduled for Amsterdam, Clara Hale, Casey Stengel, Castleton, and Yukon Depots.
I did not know that Casey Stangle was getting some of the 6000 series Orions. I have to look back at the bus roster and check. If you know of what #'s they are getting, post them here.
Thanks & Peace
DaShawn
i heard 6120-6141
The order 6120-6141 is for Casey Stengel? When is that delivery expected to be in?
I'll get them for you on Monday
Maybe they're planning to have some runs come out of there, like they do on other routes. That would make sense, since the route is close to both Fresh Pond and Stengel. (Having the route operate from both ends would help with the great delays on this long winding route!--another example of Ridgewood's inaccessibility)
Perhaps it was a put-in due to a long delay.
The Casey Stengel Orions you see on route Q58 are doing spotted trips out of John Bowne HS. There are no plans to do a full-blown dual-depot operation on this route (like the B82 or the Q32).
David
Q58 Comes out of Fresh Pond and Casey Stengle Depots
I have the Destination Sign listings ,,updated ,,they specify Route Number,Sign reading,,Code,,and Depot Assignment
FDNY Steve
Since when did the Q58 run with Casey Stengel? There were no notices.
Notices to who? The people who ride the bus couldn't care less which depot stocks a route. The Fresh Pond drivers never knew Stengel had those school specials till they saw the Stengel buses on the route.
The Stengel buses on the Q58 are PM school runs which operate between Main St. and Queens Blvd./Grand Ave. only.
HANK: Fiest of all, I just said that I haven't seen bus #380 on the road for a long period of time. That's why I said that.
2. CNG'S The roof can't support all the weight. 6000 lbs are on top of that bus. Too many people on board will make the bus tip over.
PLEASE EXCUSE ME IF MY UNDERSTANDING ISN'T CLEAR TO YOU. I DON'T WORK OR DRIVE A BUS, I'M JUST A BUSSPOTTER! IN OTHER WORDS, I JUST GET ON BUSES FOR THE FUN OF IT! THANKS!
BUSMAN316
If the roof couldn't support the weight, they wouldn't be built that way. There are several hundred buses of this and similar design that operate in a perfectly safe manner every day. And 'too many people' on the bus will NOT cause the bus to tip over. If this were the case, none of these buses would be in service. They SHOULD (I'm not aware if they are) be designed in a way that allows the roof and it's supporting structure to support most of the overturned weight of the vehicle. I've been on heavily overloaded s53's that take the turnoff to Lily Pond Ave from the V-Z that haven't even come close. The only way a bus will tip over is if it is driven in an unsafe manner, or POSSIBLY if it is broadsided by another vehicle at high speed.
As for your 'understanding' to be 'clear' to me, or anyone for that matter, posting a message where the subject is 'Bus 1234' and the entire body of the message is 'I saw this bus today' is pointless. Buses go out of service for maintainece and other reasons all the time. Telling us that you saw or didn't see a certain bus is of no interest to a lot of people. Now, if you had mentioned that 'Bus 1234' used to have tinted windows and a bubble top, and when you saw it today, it no longer had a bubble top, THAT would be of interest. 25 messages in one day, where the subject line is 'Bus 1234' and the entire message body is 'I saw/didn't see this bus today' just wastes space and bandwidth. Be glad this isn't a usenet group, or you'd have been burned badly by flames.
-Hank
The best thing the TA should do with the excess RTS express buses would be to sell them to the NYC-DOT for use on their express bus services. First off, they are in good condition with working wheelcahir lifts, and they could replace the hard seat RTS's that should not run in Express serviceto begin with.
Yeah, I always did think it was a bit unfair riders on NYC-DOT express routes to be subjected to hards so often.
At least on Staten island, the surplus express RTSs are running on some local routes (S57, S76). I don't thing that they will be in use to much longer. They are not in good shape and have tons of miles on them. Once the next batch of local buses is asigned to SI, the old RTSs most likely will be scrapped.
They likely won't be scrapped anytime soon. They'll see at least 5 more years of service. Buses are scrapped when it becomes unfeasible or fiscally stupid to repair them any longer, which is why there are still several 1981-2 RTS running around. Most likely, they'll see a minor overhaul and an interior rehab, and go into service on other routes, most likely local service. But the idea to transfer/sell the buses to NYCDOT for service on the private lines is the best I've heard yet. Most of the buses in X service for the private lines are non-accessible MCI Classics. Rehabbing and tranfering these buses to NYCDOT ownership is an easy short-term solution to the problem of needing to give 24-hours notice to a private line that you will be boarding one of their buses.
-Hank
nyct will receive 202 6000 series orions this year 6128-6201 will go to castleton and 6202-6349 to yukon. this should result in the scrapping of 3800 series express buses. they saw all their mileage as si express buses so it is not too feasible to rebuild them.
Actually, it's 350 6000-series Orions (and 6000 itself was delivered a while back as the pilot bus). They are all hard-seaters, and are intended to go to several depots, not just Castleton and Yukon.
David
I love buses from 1950-1972! I'd love to know if there are websites that exist with information pertaining to them!
Contact
Bus Spot
and /or
Motor Bus Society
FDNY STEVE
I was wondering if anyone know where I could get a model of either the RTS or Orion busses?
Check out one of the Transit Museum shops (GCT or 46th and Bway in he visitor center). They have some plastic RTS bank buses. They're about 12 bucks.
if your in times square transit also has a store on 46 and bway next to beauty aand the beast. they have rts model there.
Send me a private message for info on one in Queens Surface colors.
It's probally the same one that Mike is talking about for about $15.
Mr t__:^)
I do need the desination signs for the VIctory Blvd 60 series routes.
I appreciate it.
Thanks,
Mike
S60 Grymes Hill
S I College
S60 CLove Rd
Via Howard
S60 St George
via Howard
S61 St George
Ferry
S61 S I Mall
Yukon Av
S62 ST George
Ferry
Via Vicotry
S62 Travis
via Victory
s62 Jewettt Av
S62 Clove Rd
S62 S I COllege
via Vicotry
S62 Richmond Av
S62 Teleport
via Victory
S66 St George
Ferry
S66 Pt Richmond
S67 St George
Ferry
S67 Pt Richmond
I have to apologize to some of you New Yorkers here. I did not mean to put you guys down on a personal level. You all seem very friendly. But something tells me that you are a bunch of guys who just loves buses but don't HAVE to ride them. Especially you RTS bus lovers who know nothing about what you are talking about. RTS still suck! I don't have a car now and HAVE to ride MTA buses in Queens borough and the E or F and sometimes the J subway lines and even have to ride the horrible 7 train. The people are mean to me on all these buses and subways. This is what I am complaining about. I am a friendly guy who loves people and want to make some nice contacts here in New York Crappy. This way I don't have to say Crappy everyday. Even when I rode the Q44 bus this morning a lady just looked at me in a ugly look when I said good morning miss. As if I pissed her off today. What a dumb lady. I was trying to have some chit-chat to make the horrible ride more enjoyable. Some people just don't get it. But I hope that you people understand what I am trying to say to you all. I don't mean to be rude. Just stop boasting about YOUR bus system and subway system and ride it once in a while. Then you get the whole picture people.
BusHater,
As for myself (and probably many of our fellow Sub/BusTalkers) I don't have aproblem with you (or anyone) voicing their experiences and opinions, but like anything else - it's you delivery or presentation, if you will. Please try to put yourself in our place. Now that you explained yourself, it sounds as if you just haven't had good experiences on the NYCT system. However, in your posts you come across as being very bitter and very negative about the system. I don't think anyone would have a problem with critisim of the system, because we all (or many of us) have made posts in reference to something that don't like about the system. You have to realize that NYC, as good as it is also has it's problems and many people are weary of a stranger suddenly speaking to them out of the blue, Remember, you know what you intentions are, but the other person does not. I do hope you meet some nice people because I think it's as bad as you make it sound.
Wayne
While you are most certainly entitled to your opinion, tell me
What bus/subway system WOULD you have us boast about?
Do you know ANY of the people on this forum personally?
Do you know what any of them does?
Do you know for a fact if any of them uses the subway or not?
Where do you come off saying "Just stop boasting about YOUR bus system and subway system and ride it once in a while"?
Read some posts. There is a poster who frequently talks about their experiences RIDING THE NYC SUBWAY. They've had positive and negative experiences.
And please tell me, if you hate the NYC subway so much, if you hate NYC buses so much, what are you doing on a forum for SUBWAY AND BUS enthusiasts.
I think I speak for everyone when I say, there are forums for your grievances.
This probably isn't one of them!
New Yorkers as a rule do not talk to strangers. Don't take it personally.
NYer's are not morning people.
The city never sleeps and so do the people
NYer's are not morning people.
The city never sleeps and so do the people
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In respond to a message made earlier this month, the B6 will not be the first crosstown limited if there is any. What about the Bx12? Speaking of 12's what about the B12 running a limited service from Broadway Junction to New York Avenue? It could work. Comments
I had the same thought too about the B12. What do you think of the B35 limited. I am going to write a list of suggestions for almost every route in Brooklyn tommorrow.
I do not know about that unless they run it on Linden Blvd. That way it can avoid the heavily congested Church Av.
1. B14 and B45=B59
2. B14 and B71=B85
3. B16 and B43=B58
4. B16 and B48=B66
5. B39 and B40=B79
6. B68 and B69=B68
7. B13 and B18=B32
8. B54 and Q55=B54
There you go
In Bed-Stuy it seems there is a north-south bus route on every block (since the streets are one way). They don't run that often. Wouldn't it be better to merge the B44 and B48, and merge the B43 and B15, and have two routes running twice as often? How about merging the B49 and B44 in Crown Heights/Flatbush, with southbound on Nostrand and northbound on Rogers/Bedford all the way to Williamsburg? Adjustments could be made futher south.
Moreover, why don't they run frequent buses right down Empire Blvd, one of the few lightly traveled wide streets in the Borough, to provide access to the Brighton Line and the Park, along with the B41?
There is north-south every block because it is needed
It's not like these buses run empty
You miss the point. Wouldn't it be better to have one route with frequent service, instead of two routes with infrequent service?
The buses would be more frequent (or appear to be) if :
1. Exiting customers used back door
2. Entering customers had change/Card ready
3. Entering customers would not try 6 empty Metrocards in the box before finding the one with the value on it.
4. If Rudy would get those stinking dollar vans off the streets like he confiscates cars for DWI
The service is there, but the help of the public is needed to see that the service has some kind of regularity. The operator and supervision can only do so much between the customers and the driving conditions. And I know of no operator who's gonna fly down the street to maintain a schedule. It's their license, not yours.
Hey, if there are too many buses in Bed Stuy, send those buses over to QV. The Q46 needs as many buses possible. There are too many people on this route between hospitals and schools and everything else, it's Sardine City!
BUSMAN316
I meant to say too many bus ROUTES in Bed Stuy. If they could combine the routes, with the same number of buses, the buses would come more often. The worst thing about NYC buses is the long waits.
Frequent headways are great for riders If you know where the bus is and you have to walk 4 blocks instead of 2 may be ok for most people.
The ideal would be 5 to 10 min headways for all service if possible
Some elderly may not be able to walk as far so all decisions have trade offs. Frequency vs accesibility. Tough choices but you make a good point.
One route with 7.5 minute headwas is better that two routes with 15 minute headways
if the choice is 15 minute service vs 30 minute service then there is no choice.
Where I am now off peak is 60 minutes headways between buses with 30 service in AM and PM peak. You need to know the schedule because you cant just walk out to the corner and wait for the bus. The good news is most people are within 3 - 4 blocks of a bus stop.
I need bus desination signs for routes B7,B14,B82,X12 & X19.
I greatly appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Michael
Downtwon
Worth St
Marinrs Hbr
South Av
W Midtwon
via Chrch
via 6 Av
W Midtown
via Chrch
via Madisn
4 Readings---total x12
To FDNY,
I would like to know on when you will receive the new 1999 NYCT bus desination signs.
Sincerely,
Michael
B7 Bed Stuy
Bway-Halsey
Via Kings Hwy
B7 E 16 St
Kings Hwy Sta
B8 Kings Hwy
Flatbush Av (S)
B7 Flatbush Av (N)
B14 Crown Hts
UTica Av
B14 Spring Crk
Drew St
B14 Penn Av
Sutter Av
B82 Starrett Cty
Seavuew Av
B82 Gravesend
Canal St
B82 Rk Pky Sta
B82 Cropsey Av
Harway Av
N82 Flatbush Av
B82 Flatlands Av
Flatbush Av
B82 Coney Is Av
B82 Rk PKY STA
X17 E Midtown
via Chrch
Via Madisn
X17 Annadale Rd
X17 Downtwon
Worth St
X17 Arden Hts
Via Hugenot
via Drumgle
X17 East Midtwon
Via West St
via Madisn
X17 E Midtown
vai New Jersey
x19 Downtown
via Chrch
X19 Arden Hts
Huguenot Av
X19 Arden Hts
via Rossvil
These are some ideas that can be look at. Tell me your opinion.
B1 - From Manhattan Bch - 13 Av/ 86 St the B86 should replace it. (See the B64). From 13 Av - Shore Rd. that should form the B64 or B66.
B2 destination sign only:
B2 Kings Plz
via Ave R
B2 Midwood
Kngs Hwy Sta
via Ave R
B3 no suggestions
B4: Does anybody have any ideas to improve this route? It is horrible.
B6: needs limited service to cut travel time.
B7: destination signs change
B7 Bushwick
Bway - Halsey
via Kngs Hwy
via Saratoga
B7 Flatlands
Flatbush
via Saratoga
via Kngs Hwy
B7 Midwood
E 16 St
via Saratoga
via Kngs Hwy
B8: to provide better service during the AM/PM Rush. They put more buses heading towards Brookdale (where is less needed)in mornings while there should be more heading towards VA Hosp same goes vise versa.
B9 no suggestions
B11: reroute the B11 to its original terminal at Canarsie - Rock Pky Sta if the limited idea failed. If the MTA had access to the Q35, the B11 should be combined with the Q35.
B12: A limited route can help. Do the limited like the B44. Local service to Alabama Av - Ocean Ave. And Limited service from Cypress Hills - Occean Ave.
Tomorrow B13 - 20
Bentley
SPARE US! If you combine routes, then you are REDUCING service in more ways than you are INCREASING. Making a route longer means more heavily loaded buses, longer trip times, and reduced reliabilty (losing a bus now penalizes people on both ends of what was previously 2 routes.) Limited routes work only when there are several major destinations/transfer points, and the existing route is making what amounts to a stop every block; or to provide faster service to the end of the route farthest from the main destination. Changing destination signs does nothing to improve service.
Combinations are only good with horrible bus routes. Combining has some ups and downs but if you combine the right routes then the route will have either no effect to its original routes (ex.B43 - the scheduling is the same way as the B47 because of the congestion on Manhattan Ave [B62]), has a horrbile effect (Ex. B82 it combine two strong routes the B5 & B50 but it created a cut down of busses along Kings Hwy), and does not work at all. (Ex. the idea someone propose for the combination of the B40 & B39. That route can only work if the service on the B40 improves in other words scheduling.) The key factors in combining is scheduling, can the route get passengers, and is it a convience.
As for limited service, crosstown busses need it as much as North - south buses, because crosstowns, as proven in the Bx12, can cut down travel time by at least 10 - 12 minutes. MAJOR crosstown buses have major transfer/ stop points. The only bad factor is the congestion on some of these streets, an advise look at the bus routes, when they were rerouted because of construction (B35 when Church Ave was under construction) used those patterns to form limited - express routes.
As for destination signs, to common people who know where the routes are going it seems like little importantce, but in fact for people who are either tourist or don't know the bus system or the area, the destination signs do help. Since the TA decided to have "areas" as part of their destination signs, they have either had no area display on some routes, some routes the area is incorrect, for example the B7 does not terminate at Bed - Stuy, in fact doesn not even touch Bed - Stuy it is really Bushwick and to prove that also look where the Q24 destination sign says and were it is located and you will realize alot. Second as see destination signs as an importatce to that area. When bus terminates at that area, that area should be recognized be the community. I live in midwood and five routes terminate here. Out of those five, four of them do not have Midwood on their destination signs but on their bus map. The B11 is the only route, but if you look at the new bus stop decals it still says Flatbush which is incorrect.
My point exactly about the B35 saying E. Flatbush, although now more and more buses are saying Brownsville. B14 was like that also, it used to say ENY now it says Spring Creek.
Now their attemptong that with the B60 with New Lots (which is correct) to Canarsie
Continuing where I left off.....
B13: This is a tough one because I have only one proposal for this route and that is extend the B13 along the B18 route north of Wycroff Av.
B14: No changes at all. Those porposals for the B45 combination would cause horrible schedule roblems and the B71 is no point because it will still be the same - no cutomers on that connection. However on the B71 combination note, you can attempt to extend the B14 to Grand Army Plz along Eastern Pky during rush hours or weekdays only (possibly running every 15 minutes). It would make easier connections to the B41 and alternate route for that already overcrowded Utica Ave Station. Now instead of taken two busses to get the B44, B48, B49, and B41 or trying to get the #2, 3, 4, 5, Franklin Shuttle Trains, the B14 can provided it.
B15: I notice that Q3/ Q10 provides more service to the Airport than the B15 alone. My advise increase service on the B15 to the Airport. And make the B15 be noticed to customers to get to the airport. If you look at the subway maps they don't tell you that the J and M trains can connect to the B15 bus.
B16: I'm hearing too many ideas for a combo on the B43 or B48 or along Empire Blvd. First here is what think about the Empire Blvd bus. It is only a dream, reason the possible route patter I see is the B12. Unless you want to make some new route with the B12 than it is impossible, besides compare the current B43 on this route and you notice that it does not improved the route. Second in terms of Combos, this route will become too long especially if it is combined with the B43. Yes I know that there should be improvements to the B48 but there can be better options.
B17: Destination sign change only
B17 Pardgt Basn
E 80 St
via Remsen
B17 Canarsie
Seaview Ave
via Remsen
B17 Crown hts
Eastern Pky
via Remsen
B18:either improve service or find a way that it take the B24 route north of Kingsland (Greenpoint terminal)
B20: Let the B20 take over the B83 route (basically because their almost the same depot (B20's terminating at the junction and route).
Making the service has two patterns one going to Starret City and the other to ENY. [The idea will be to let the B20 Stareet City buses to run on Penn Ave and B82 run on Vandilla Ave instead of Penn Ave and replace the B83.]
Monday since I won't be arround the B23 & B24 (my favorite hate routes) - B31
B15 should run more frequently to JFK. One day during the summer, I went to JFK to look for a job. I took the subway over there. I decided that I wanted to take the B15 back home. First of all there is sign at the bus stop to indicate you of the direction the buses are going to. Second of all, B15 did not show up at all. It was raining and I finally got back on the shuttle bus to the subway.
Part three:
B23: Either 1)Extend the route along Beverly Rd to New York Ave. This will allow easier connections to the B49, B44, and the 2 & 5 trains.
2) Combine with the B48 along Ocean Avenue sllowing alternative and faster access between Flatbush/Empire and Cortelyou Rd. Will help the B41 in this area. Also extend the SW terminal to Bay Ridge or Bath Beach via New Utertch Ave. Alternative route for the B & M trains. Downside can be scheduling. Upside easier connection between the SW 0 NE Portion of Brooklyn.
B24: The idea of this route may have been for the fact of the industrial area at Willamsburg or Greenpoint unfortuantly like the B30 it has either no purpose or limited purpose. Ideas is combining the Greenpoint Ave connection with the B18 at Kingsland Ave. This is possible by rerouting the b18 along Bushwick Ave.
B25: No changes
B26: No changes
B31: Destination signs
Does any one know the street of the last stopa at Gerritson Bch?
Tommorrow B33 (I know it does not exist) - B40
The Gerritsen Beach terminal of the B31 is at Lois Avenue.
David
I dont remember some of the previous posts , but are the persons who advocate linking all these lines together to form one big line (B43/49) (68/69) (48/49), etc. for better service also the people who deplore the TA for linking the then-on-time B5 and the B50 into one big line, the B82, and now complain about the bad service?
The 82 is the litmus test for why some of these suggestions might not work otherwise it will be "short-sign-o-rama"
From previosly before: There are two ways to look at it 1)B43 is still the same in terms of service and scheduling as the B62/B47. So there was no improvements the B82 was the most horrible combination of all but could have work if they only kept the same amount of buses for the B5 and B50. I recall saying that two major or popular routes such as the B5, B50, B25, anything in that level can not be combined but routes that have less riders or poor scheduling such as the B23, B69, B71 can be combined but the only caution is what route are you cmbining with. A good example of suggested combinations and what if they exist.
B1/B64 (B86) Can work it will reflect like the B1 originally.
B1/B64 (Remaining route) May not work out well, expect poor scheduling
B5/B50 (B82) These are two improtant routes respectivly was not going to work properly because of the reduction of
buses.
B13/B18 Between Cypress Ave - Wycroff ave one of the two routes would be eliminated most likly the B18. Scheduling will be like the B13 - no change.
I will continue later if you want to know the possiblities.
actually why not have the B 13 run down flatlands avenue into starret city seaview avenue instead of spring creek? would this be a good idea or is it a pipe dream because of low ridership
Don't get me started on those idiotic signs.....
-Hank
At least I am not the only one.....
i would like to now why is the B33,B10 and B47 are not in service
B10: renumbered to B15 and extended to JFK airport and Brooklyn General Postal Facility. It is now the B15.
B33: Discontinued service due to low ridership.
B47: Service got combined with B62 to formed the B43 from Greenpoint to Prospect Park.
I agree with the B12 Limited. I had posted that up there yeaterday. See B6 limited
Ive seen those other signs , can that person post the signs for the
q32, q43, Q30, q17, q16
thanks
ok?
I zm going to use all your comments on presentation
----they are listed as previously presented to you
----However
Q16 Ft Totten via F Lewis
Q16 Flushing Main St Sta
Q16 Ft Totten Via Utopia
Q16 F Lewis Bl
Q16 F Lewis Bl 29 Av
__________________________________
17 Flushing Main St Sta
17 Jamaica 17 179 St
17 h Harding Exy 188 st
____________________________________
30 Little Neck L Neck Pky
30 169 st Hillise Av
30 Sprngfld Bl H Hrding Exy
30 Jamaica Archer Av Nerrick Bl
30 Utopia Pkwy H Harding Exy
30 F Lewis Bl H Harding Exy
30 H Harding Exy Utopia Exy
30 169 st Hilllside av
_________________________________________
Q32 Jackson Hts Northern--81 via Roosvlt
Q32 Midtown Penn Sta
Q32 Jackson Hts 74 st
Q32 Midtown 57 st-5 Av
Q32 Midtown 42 St
Q32 Queens Bl 46 St
____________________________________________
Q43 Floral Park 268 st via Hillsde
Q43 Jamaica LIRR Sta via Hillsde
Q43 Limited Floral Park 268 St
Q43 179 st Sta
Q43 Comnvlth Bl
Q43 limited 179 st sta
Q43 Limited Jamaiaca LIRR STA
Q43 Sprngfld Bl
Q43 Winchstr Bl
It has occured to me that the posting of destination sign readings is getting massively confusing. Perhaps a more 'standard' way to post them should be used. As a suggestion:
(route number)
(North Destination) via (Main St)& (Second Main St)
(South Destination) via (Main St)& (Second Main St)
(Alternate Destinations) via (Main St) & (Second Main St)
So you'd get something like:
x1
West Midtown via Church St & 6th Ave
Eltingville-Arthur Kill Rd via Richmond Ave & Hylan Blvd
Eltingville-Richmond Ave via Hylan Blvd
Rather than have 10 lines in all caps (which makes it difficult to read, as we all know), with jumbled tabs and repeated information. Any improvements to this system would be appriciated, even more so if the system is adopted :)
-Hank
Hank
What I have been doing is writing them ,the way they are listed on the Documents
I have the Documents from the MTA,but I will not give out the Codes to Program ,,for obvious reasons
X__
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Steve
M12
Grand --FDR via 14 st
M12 Abingdon sq via 14 st
M12 6 Av via 14 st
total of 3 Readings
Somebody had mentioned awhile back about moving the B46 limited off Utica Av from Empire. Here's a suggestion: Northbound B46 Limited run on Rochester and Patchen Av to DeKalb Av. Southbound B46 Limited run on Stuyvesant and Schenectady Avs to E.N.Y Av (like when they reconstructing Utica Av.)
YOU DON'T LIKE ANYTHING DO YOU! YOU HATE BUSESS WELL WHY DID YOU BECOME A BUS DRIVER ANYWAY? WHY DO YOU ACT SO SUPID. YOUR A BUSHATER ON A BUS LOVER WEB SITE!!!
Whats with the name calling?
Same idiot, different handle.
granted staten island received 180 mci coaches which are best purchase they ever made we are still driving 1982 wrecks into the city as there are still not enough mci buses. nyct sent nova 9200 series to ulmer park queens and west side. we have 32 orions left in yukon. these 1700-1800 series buses should not be put on express routes and nyct is waiting for another disaster to occur as happened in 1992 with the blitz buses.
Yes, I agree with you. I think they're better off using newer local service buses on x-routes.
According to the roster, the only 1700-1800's left of the borough are 1744, 1749-1750, 1770-1771, 1779, 1786-1787, 1852, all at Yukon, unless you're talking about all the others, at Ulmer, Jamaica, and QV. I guess they're hanging on to them until the MCI's have proven themselves. What I don't understand is why they've retired many of the 3800's first.
It seems, actually it's clear that the 1982 RTS's are simply a good, durable fleet. The 3800's have been used a lot. Most of them spent their entire life running on SI express routes and I guess they've been deemed not worth rebuilding.
Amen to that
Relax, you've got over 200 buses coming by mid-year. Then you will have the youngest fleet in the system.
these will all be hard seated orions which cannot be used for express. the 3800s were put in storage at edgewater and as of friday several are being returned to service. we have 3800,3811,3813,3815,and 3829.3834 just returned.on3/29/99 nyct will increase service by using there oldest buses again screwing staten island.
If push comes to shove NYC Transit has no choice but to use hard seat buses like they did before the MCI's arrived. The only difference will be that they will have a little cushion under them compared to the 400 and 500 series Orions, and also Staten Island is not getting screwed because this borough is the smallest yet they have some of the best buses in the whole city. So I think you can wait a little while to see how the MCI's hold up and 9 times out of 10 they will or probably have put in an additonal order for more MCI's
Peace
DaShawn
I was woundering did New York City Transit save any of the Flxibles or Old GM'S? I Injoyed rideing those busess. I alway use to cauth a Flxible on the S76 back in the 1980's
I'm going to assume you mean the pre-ADB Flxibles, rather than the ADB Flx, because then your statement would be impossible.
I don't think they've saved any of the Flx Blitz rebuilds, but there are still some of them used as training buses and NYPD buses.
Museum Buses
1917 DOUBLE-DECKER: 303
1938 YELLOW COACH: 2124
1948 GM: 2969 (ex-4789)
1956 MACK: 6259
1956 GM: 3100, 7144, 9098
1959 GM: 100
1961 GM: 1059
1962 GM: 2151
1963 GM: 3758
1964 FLXIBLE: 5117
1966 GM: 8602
1966 GM: 8466
1968 GM: 8928
1970 FLXIBLE: 4727
1970 GM-BLITZ: 5227
1972 GM: 6409
1972 GM: 6409 (ex-4414)
1973 FLXIBLE: 7340
1976 FLXIBLE: 7809
1977 FLXIBLE: 9303, 9284
1980 GRUMMAN: 236
1981 GM-RTS: 1201, 1468
Collected from various sources, including the roster
-Hank
I think you all would agree that the TA did a good job in restoring the buses in the museum fleet to their original paint schemes. I was looking at them recently and I noticed a couple of inaccuracies.
The 1980 Grumman Flxible 870 #236 - Has white wheels with the blue center. The wheels on these buses were originally painted in the same dark blue that used on the mid and lower part of the body.
1973 Flxible 53102-6-1 On the rear of this bus the fleet numbers are silver and are on the right side of the back window - which is something the TA starteddoing in the early 1980's. All TA new-look buses (both GM and Flxible) originally had the rear fleet number applied to the bottom center of the engine door.
Also - The 1970 Flxible #4727 should have a white top.
Wayne
I thought the early ADB Flxibles came with black wheels and the later ones arrived with white and blue wheels.
Some of these buses are not in the original paint scheme, but rather in the scheme they were in when they were retired, or at least the scheme which they were best remembered in.
I don't know about the buses built prior to 1959, but in the case of the new-looks (both GM fishbowls and Flxible) and the Grumman Flxible 870 - there are indeed in their original paint schemes, but the three I mentioned in my first post are slightly off.
Wayne
4727 is from '69 or '70, and they were still delivered green then, but 4727 is in the later blue/purple schems
Sir,
I have to disagree with you. 4727 has been restored to it's original green color scheme, but I don't think it has the white roof. The group 4000-4202, 4600-4727 and the 1966 TDH-5303-AC originally had white roofs. There may have been others such as the 43/4400 and 88/8900, but the first two I'm pretty sure about.
Wayne
Either they recently restored it, or I must have been thinking of another Museum Flxible
NYCTA only purchased one fleet of Grumman Flxible ADB's - which were the 1980 model 870's. Their wheels were dark blue and later painted white w/blue centers. I don't know of any NYCTA buses that ever had black wheels.
Where are 1092, 8808 and 9656?
9656 had a fire,and 8808 is at Atlantic Diesel in Bohemia.
Where is 8088?
8088 is back in service and is mainly run on the M7 route like all day and night. I saw it on Thursday or Friday night after work at Columbus Circle headed for Union Square.
Peace
DaShawn
I saw bus #172 on the Q74 yesterday. Now, since I'M NOT ALLOWED just to say that, I'll ask a question then: That bus is supposed to be at Castleton Depot in Staten Island, correct? Gee, I can't say I saw a "weird-numbered bus" on a specific route! Gimme a break, I'm just a bus-spotter!
BUSMAN316
Most of the reamining Orions have received paintjobs except:
5516, 5524-5525, 5527, 5534-5536, 5538, 5540, 5542 and 5543.
Why didn't they do this when they received this order, that would be common sense.
BUSMAN316
Many times buses are not painted proir to delivery because the company is short of buses and want press them into service ASAP. I do see too often with transit buses, but it's quite common with tour/charter operators.
The reason you see many tour operators with solid white buses isn't really that they want to get the bus in service quickly -- it's because they are leasing the buses, usually on a short-term basis, and don't want to go through the expense of painting them (sometimes up to $2,000 per bus).
Many of the lessors specify in the contracts that the buses must be returned in the same condition (i.e. no specific paint scheme) as when they were first leased.
That may be the case at some companies, but I'm pretty sure it's not the case at Academy, Suburban Tours and Arrow, jut to name a few.
It's also a lot cheaper and quicker to paint a bus with only one color. At Queens Surface, we only paint white ... the colors are decals. Also, you may have noticed that all police cars are now delivered white. I've heard that is because the feds are paying most of the tab and they want a uniform look to PD cars around the country (?) PLUS it is cheaper (for the reasons cited above).
RE: NYPD - I remember a few years ago - they said that it's a cost cutting move. The NYPD blue seems to be a custom blue which be an expensive paint job for each vehicle. BTW-In Maryland the State Police cars are olive green/black which I'm convinced they chose these colors because it's difficult to spot them. If they are sitting on the median (in the daytime) you do not see them until it's too late (assumming you're speeding). I haven't seen them stop many buses.
I know that's now used for scrap but I saw it in Stengel storage. Why is it there?
This is for whoever places the bus rosters on the web: #3631 is at Westside Depot, why does it say that it's out of service at Hudson Pier?
BUSMAN316
#39, 298, and 382 have been stripped of their shrink-rapped ads.
I know that there was old B15 route. I believe it went into Manhattan, I am not sure so can anybody take me up on this? Also how come the B19 was cancelled? I know it ran between the LIRR and Flushing Av.
I know that there was old B15 route. I believe it went into Manhattan, I am not sure so can anybody take me up on this? Also how come the B19 was cancelled? I know it ran between the LIRR and Flushing Av.
The B15 route was discontinued around 1980 due to low ridership. It was replaced around 1985 by the slightly shorter B51, which survives to this day.
The B19 route was discontinued around 1990, again due to low ridership (and before you ask, so was the B33/Hamilton Avenue).
David
How far did it go into Manhattan?
B15 went from the Hanson FLatbush Area to the Baxter and Allen St Area
The B15 was the old Manhattan Bridge route - 1 or two trips a day, abandoned by about 1983. The B19 was the Carlton Avenue route; designed to carry Long Island Rail Road passengers from the Atlantic Avenue station to the Brooklyn Navy Yard. No business once the yard closed and abandoned by about 1983-85.
I heard that B48 is coming out of Fresh Pond because the Frankln shuttle buses are coming out of Gleason. Can anybody verify this?
Route B48 is indeed coming out of Fresh Pond, as it has since September 1998. However, the change has nothing to do with the Franklin Avenue bus shuttle. The change was made because the Brooklyn Bus Division has a vehicle storage problem due to increased service resulting from higher riding since the free transfers and other fare goodies have gone into effect. Route B68 was transferred from Ulmer Park to Jackie Gleason (and B8 from UP to East New York) to free up space in UP for additional buses (including soft-seat express buses). This necessitated that a route be removed from Jackie Gleason. The B48 was decided on because Fresh Pond had some room and it was a relatively easy run-on to the Greenpoint end of the line from FP.
I hope this answers your question.
David
Thank you very much. That is the 3rd depot that it has been in.
You're welcome.
Actually, this is the FOURTH depot to operate the route. First was Crosstown, followed by Flatbush, then Gleason, and now Fresh Pond.
David
Where is Crosstown at? Does it still exist? What buses are at Crosstown?
Crosstown bus depot closed about 1982 or 1983, it was at Box St & Commerical St in the Greenpoint Section of Brooklyn just across the Newton Creek from Long Island City,Queens. It has now been made into a painting facility. It can be reached by taking the B43 bus to the last stop at Box St & Manhattan Av & walking oone block.
Finally, the routes that came out of Crosstown were B24,B30,B39,B48,B61 & B62 routes.
Sincerely,
John
Not the B47? Was that always at ENY?
What stuff did crosstown run in the later days? Was it mainly GM's, or Flxibles, (4000, 7000, or 9000)? Did it have any Grummans?
Crosstown had fishbowls at the end. Mostly, the 8000's with the wings & the 3700's from 1963.
I should add Crosstown had 1973 fishbowls 6310 to 6334, Flxibles 7530 to 7544 and 9030 to 9039 from the mid 70's.
Can I get a destination sign for the B57 bus please?
B57 Maspeth
Fresh Pond Rd
B57 Dntown Bklyn
Fulton Mall
2 readings'
1st line
2nd line
Does anybody know about the Q5AB?
What I DO remember
Q5AB Ran from the 233 Merrick Area,,via 225 st,,to 147 av
--Exact details ,,I do not remember for this route
Steve
Close but not quite Steve. The route you mention was the Q5AS-"225th Street Shuttle". This route no longer exists, dissolved in the early-mid 1980s, I would guess. I used to ride the Q5AS bus from Rosedale (147th Av/Huxley St/243 Street intersection) to 225th Street/N. Conduit Avenue to go to Springfield HS for a year. I preferred this bus because the Q5A was way too crowded once it reached Hook Creek Blvd/N. Conduit Ave. The Q5A had ZERO ridership back in those days!
Cheers,
MIKE
Close but not quite Steve. The route you mention was the Q5AS-"225th Street Shuttle". This route no longer exists, dissolved in the early-mid 1980s, I would guess. I used to ride the Q5AS bus from Rosedale (147th Av/Huxley St/243 Street intersection) to 225th Street/N. Conduit Avenue to go to Springfield HS for a year. I preferred this bus because the Q5A was way too crowded once it reached Hook Creek Blvd/N. Conduit Ave. The "Q5AS" (not Q5A, as incorrectly mentioned earlier) had ZERO ridership back in those days!
Cheers,
MIKE
Q5AB ran downtown jamaica to 137 Avenue and Bedell Street. Was incorporated with the Q5A to make up the Q85 in the mid-80s
Indeed yes! In 1964 or 1965, when the Rochdale Village Co-Op opened, there was a new bus line to serve the portion of the development that bordered on Bedell St. This route was numbered the Q5A-Merrick Blvd - Bedell St branch of the Q5A - Merrick Blvd - Rosedale bus line. It ran from 169th St & Hillside Ave ( E / F ) via Hillside Ave, 166 St to 165 St Bus Terminal, Merrick Blvd, Baisley Blvd, Bedell St to 137th Ave, returning via same route except using 168th St betwwen Liberty Ave and Hillside Ave (so as to connect with the then BMT 14 / 15 .
The dual designations and overlapping routes were a source of confusion, especially at first as no signs had been printed - and only CARDBOARD ones were used! When some used fishbowls (TA series numbered 100 up) were transferred in, the first signs indicating the routes were used:
5A to BEDELL ST.
The fishbowls were replaced with Flxbles, and the Flxbles with the bat wings, with proper signs front AND sides! Then I left NYC..i have noticed in visiting that the new designation for the route is Q85 and the northern terminal is the Jamaica Terminal.
I took this bus to/from the BMT to get to school!
Are the 100st Depot going to torn down and built new 100st Depot? How long is taken to build and reopen 100st Depot?
Where is 118, 119, 125, 142, 144, 148, 664, 672, 1875, 3213, 3834, 3844 and 3964?
125 144 fires out of service.148 accident 207 st base shop. 1875 3rd accident being repaired. 3834 back in service. several others may be at 207 st base shop.
Where are 156, 160, 167, 171, 237, 466, 483, 496, 501, 503, 3209, 3214, 3225, 3750, 3766, 3820, 3875, 8316 and 8329?
Where is 5096?
Can someone clarify what is a shrink-wrap ad please?
A shrink-wrap ad is one of those advertisements that covers the entire bus, or good portions of the bus.
The advertisement is printed on adhesive vinyl, and to make it conform to all the body contours, a heat gun is used to shrink
the material in place, as well as set up the adhesive.
Areas of the advertisement that will cover windows are SUPPOSED
to be run through a perforating machine prior to application to the window panels so that passengers can still see out. Unfortunately,
it isn't always done, so sometimes windows get blanked out.
Not sure if NYCTA's ad contract is with the following company, but they show some interesting bus graphics on their web page (if it even still exists):
http://www.supergraphics.com
[Can someone clarify what is a shrink-wrap ad please?]
Well, first it's NOT applied with a heat gun. They peel off the back & it sticks on the bus. The ones I've seen have preforated pieces on the windows, maybe the "privates" us a different firm then TA ?
It is also called a "Wrap" vs. shrink-wrap and comes in two flavors:
- whole bus
- rear end only
Mr t__:^)
Where is 3904, 3954 and 4935?
Bus number 4935 was involved in a serious accident, it is being repaired at the ENY CMF - it is nearing completion
Where is 113, 177, 178, 181, 185 and 263?
[Where is 113, 177, 178, 181, 185 and 263?]
113 no such bus
177, 178, 181 & 185 were leased from Liberty, they went back.
263 no such bus (259 thru 269)
Mr t__:^)
[Where is 113, 177, 178, 181, 185 and 263?]
113 no such bus
177, 178, 181 & 185 were leased from Liberty, they went back.
263 no such bus (259 thru 269)
Mr t__:^)
I think he was referring to Casey Stengel buses listed out of service on Glenn Rowe's roster.
Which makes me wonder...why is the question asked about where these buses are when it tells you right under the depot's roster?
Mike, I had the same feeling (... Casey Stengel ...) AFTER I pressed the key, sorry about that.
Mr t__:^)
Where is 1832, 3162, 3173, 3281, 3682, 3687, 4013, 7513, 9078, 9102 and 9106?
Where is 8538?
Where is 4080, 4090, 4093, 4109, 4679, 4734, 4739 and 9569?